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Repeating pure hogwash does not improve it. Again, let's see you produce just one example from any FBI or other investigative document where the term "missile" was used to refer to two small bullet fragments that constituted less than 2% of the mass of a bullet. Let's see it. We both know you can't produce such an example because it doesn't exist, because no one would be dumb enough or careless enough to willingly describe two small bullet fragments as a "missile." 

Wow, I guess you saw no need to mention any of the problems and indications of fraud that I pointed out in Sibert and O'Neill's HSCA and ARRB statements. I guess you saw no need to mention that I documented that Sibert and O'Neill repeatedly distinguished between "missile/bullet" and "fragments" in their 11/26/63 report and in their HSCA and ARRB interviews. I guess you saw no need to mention that Boyers, the Navy corpsman who supposedly typed the "missile" receipt, said there were three or four fragments, not two, and that Sibert likewise indicated there were more than two fragments in the evidence bottle. You ignored all these points and falsely cited me as if I had contradicted Michael Capasse's arguments.

Some might view such omissions as an indication of an intent to mislead.
MG: Repeating pure hogwash does not improve it

Capesse is the baseless repeater. Tell him that.


MG: Again, let's see you produce just one example from any FBI or other investigative document where the term "missile" was used to refer to two small bullet fragments that constituted less than 2% of the mass of a bullet.  Let's see it. We both know you can't produce such an example because it doesn't exist, because no one would be dumb enough or careless enough to willingly describe two small bullet fragments as a "missile.

The one example we have is the Sibert/O'Neill receipt from the autopsy. Should go without saying, should it not?

Anyway, If you want to claim that there is no "FBI or investigative document" that refers to fragments as a "missile," it is up to you to demonstrate this. Neither I nor anyone else is required to disprove your baseless assertion.  Asserting something, then demanding that everyone else disprove the assertion is shifting the burden of proof.


MG: I guess you saw no need to mention any of the problems and indications of fraud that I pointed out in Sibert and O'Neill's HSCA and ARRB statements.

You are correct. I see no need to mention something that doesn't actually exist.


I guess you saw no need to mention that I documented that Sibert and O'Neill repeatedly distinguished between "missile/bullet" and "fragments" in their 11/26/63 report and in their HSCA and ARRB interviews.

Since Sibert and O'Neill did not generate the receipt, whatever terms they themselves used is immaterial. There is, then, no need to mention it.


MG: I guess you saw no need to mention that Boyers, the Navy corpsman who supposedly typed the "missile" receipt, said there were three or four fragments, not two, and that Sibert likewise indicated there were more than two fragments in the evidence bottle.

Note that Boyers and Sibert said "fragments" and not "bullet." Since the current argument revolves around the assertion that the "missle" was a bullet, the Boyers and Sibert statements are solid arguments against that assertion. Not sure why you wanted to bring it up. BTW, Sibert told the HSCA that there were two fragments, both in his interview and the affidavit he presented. O'Neil likewise told the HSCA that only two fragments were removed. Their 1963 report specifically states that the fragments were the 1x3mm and 7x2mm fragments....that is, exactly two fragments.


You ignored all these points and falsely cited me as if I had contradicted Michael Capasse's arguments.

I ignored your points (no big loss, see above) because I responded to something that Capasse said. Namely, his statement: "Well then, it should be easy to find clarification in the official documents for such a major discrepancy." I pointed out that the ARRB statements of Sibert and O'Neill qualify as such. They are, after all, part of the "official record," and in these official records S&O both state that the receipt was given for fragments, not a whole bullet. When Capasse foolishly repeated himself, I repeated my original point and noted that you and Corbett had, at the time of my reply, been discussing Sibert and O'Neill's statements that the receipt really was for fragments, even if it said "missle." There is nothing misleading or dishonest about what I said; it is completely true. Sibert and O'Neill have repeatedly and exclusively stated that the receipt was for fragments, not a bullet. Your attempt to say that I've been dishonest is wrong, and is itself dishonest.
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MC--

Seymour Weitzman had quite a day. First he encounters a Secret Service agent in the GK area, then he is shown a portion of JFK's skull, and then he mis-identifies LHO's rifle as a Mauser. Weitzman also burned his hands on a steam pipe that day.

I think DPD'er Joe Smith gave the best witness statement on the likely GK Secret Service imposter. Smith was shown ID.

My only reservation about Smith's recollection is...why would a participant in the JFKA hang around the area post-JFKA? Granted a perp might not want to run away, and attract attention, but why not walk away, as many others did?

But then common sense and logic may not apply to those willing to perp the JFKA.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Today at 02:44:09 AM »
Do you think a smear could have caused Tague's facial injury?

A fragment that ricocheted off the curb could have caused Tague's "facial injury".
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MC--

Seymour Weitzman had quite a day. First he encounters a Secret Service agent in the GK area, then he is shown a portion of JFK's skull, and then he mis-identifies LHO's rifle as a Mauser. Weitzman also burned his hands on a steam pipe that day.

I think DPD'er Joe Smith gave the best witness statement on the likely GK Secret Service imposter. Smith was shown ID.

My only reservation about Smith's recollection is...why would a participant in the JFKA hang around the area post-JFKA? Granted a perp might not want to run away, and attract attention, but why not walk away, as many others did?

But then common sense and logic may not apply to those willing to perp the JFKA.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why so few women?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:40:08 AM »
Leslie Sharp was active too at the EF-JFKA, but I guess she was banned.

The EF-JFKA research community is primarily populated by aging males, ever re-hashing the same old arguments.

Though not woke to say it, men and women are different.

At any time, the top 100 chess players in the world are all men, or 99 men and one woman.

All over the world, boys like motorcycles and cars, and women like clothes and make-up.

Lori Spencer has done good work on the RFKA. There are exceptions.

Love and marriage advice columns seem heavily populated by women.





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Zero evidence except the photo of Landsdale walking by the 3 railroad hobos......

There is no photo of Landsdale walking by the 3 railroad hobos.
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The back of the NECK?  Does any JFK autopsy photo show an entrance wound on the back of JFKs NECK?
If so, please post that photo.


See my reply above.
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Of course that's ludicrous. That was Gerald Ford's contribution to the discussion of the medical evidence. One more example of why laymen shouldn't insert their opinions into fields which are best left to professionals. Why Gerald Ford decided to make his editorial revision to the conclusions of the autopsy team is anybody's guess. It is not possible the bullet entered the back of his neck and exited where it did.

It's hard to tell if you're being facetious or not. Ford never made an editorial revision to the conclusions of the autopsy team. While the autopsy report does use the word "thorax" for the placement of the wound it also has the bullet traversing downward through the supra-scapular and supra-clavicular portions of the right side of the neck. And Ford heard Humes say the following during his WC testimony:

Commander HUMES - The wound in the low neck of which I had previously begun to speak is now posteriorly--is now depicted in 385, in 386 and in 388.
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Commander HUMES - You will note that the wound in the posterior portion of the occiput on Exhibit 388 is somewhat longer than the other missile wound which we have not yet discussed in the low neck.
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Commander HUMES - I--our previously submitted report, which is Commission No. 387, identified a wound in the low posterior neck of the President.
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Commander HUMES - In attempting to relate findings within the President's body to this wound which we had observed low in his neck, we then opened his chest cavity, and we very carefully examined the lining of his chest cavity and both of his lungs.
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Commander HUMES - The angle which we observed in measuring, in comparing the point of entrance, our point of entrance labeled "C" on 385 and "D" point of exit is one that the point of exit is below the point of entrance compared with the vertical.
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Commander HUMES - The report which we have submitted, sir, represents our thinking within the 24-48 hours of the death of the President, all facts taken into account of the situation.
The wound in the anterior portion of the lower neck is physically lower than the point of entrance posteriorly, sir.


And then Ford heard the following from Dr Boswell and Dr. Finck:

Mr. SPECTER - Have you been present here today during the entire course of Doctor Humes testimony?
Commander BOSWELL - I have, sir; yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Do you have anything that you would like to add by way of elaboration or modification to that which Doctor Humes has testified?
Commander BOSWELL - None, I believe. Doctor Humes has stated essentially what is the culmination of our examination and our subsequent conference, and everything is exactly as we had determined our conclusions.

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Mr. SPECTER - Were you present here today and did you hear the entire testimony of Doctor Humes?
Colonel FINCK - Yes; I did.
Mr. SPECTER - And do you concur in Dr. Humes' statements and opinions regarding the point of entry C, point of exit D, and general angle on the flight of the missile?
Colonel FINCK - I certainly do.


All that Ford did was recommend wording in their draft report be changed in order to reflect what the three autopsy pathologists told him about the location of the entry wound. All 7 members of the Commission unanimously agreed to make the change.

I believe that the bullet entered at the level of C7. The HSCA FPP said that it entered at the level of T1 and above the level of T1. It seems that they couldn't make up their minds. It not important either way.





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The back of the NECK?  Does any JFK autopsy photo show an entrance wound on the back of JFKs NECK?
If so, please post that photo.

Of course that's ludicrous. That was Gerald Ford's contribution to the discussion of the medical evidence. One more example of why laymen shouldn't insert their opinions into fields which are best left to professionals. Why Gerald Ford decided to make his editorial revision to the conclusions of the autopsy team is anybody's guess. It is not possible the bullet entered the back of his neck and exited where it did.
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No, Tom, if a CIA bad apple conspirator wanted JFK dead, then JFK would have been found drowned in the swimming pool after having (apparently) a heart attack,  many months earlier than Nov 63.
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