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Dr. Young showed good judgment and common sense in examining the contents of the limo-bullet envelope given to him by Chief Mills before giving it to Dr. Humes. Any competent officer would have verified the envelope's contents before handing it over to the chief pathologist at the autopsy of the century of a U.S. president killed in the Crime of the Century.

It is quite possible that the deformed limo bullet that Dr. Young gave to Dr. Humes was the bullet described in the Sibert and O'Neill 11/22/63 receipt to Captain Stover, which acknowledged receipt of a "missle" from Humes: "We hereby acknowledge receipt of a missle recoved [sic] by Commander James J. Humes."

The mistyped word "recoved" has usually been taken to mean "recovered" or "removed." However, Denise Hazelwood and Dr. David Mantik have perceptively argued that, given the omission of "i" in "missle," the mistyped word "recoved" may have been intended to be "received."

When the FBI receipt surfaced, the cover story was given that Sibert and O'Neill were actually referring to the two small bullet fragments that Humes removed from the skull during the autopsy.

Of course, this is nonsense. Those two fragments were small, 7 x 2 mm and 3 x 1 mm.  Also, both fragments had a very small width, i.e., a very small thickness. The thickest of the two, the 7 x 2 mm fragment, has an optical-density measurement of only 1.44. The 7 x 2 mm fragment weighs 1.65 grains and the 3 x 1 mm fragment weights 0.15 grains, for a total of 180 grains. A WCC 6.5 FMJ bullet weighs 159-161 grains. Thus, these two fragments constituted only about 1.12% of the mass of one bullet of the kind of ammo that Oswald allegedly used. No one with two functioning eyes would describe two such small, thin fragments as a missile. 

It should be noted that two other autopsy witnesses said they saw a whole bullet during the autopsy. They were Captain David P. Osborne and Captain James Stover, Navy O-6s. Captain Osborne said he actually held the bullet in his hand, adding that it was "copper clad" and "fully intact" and was "not a fragment." It was later claimed that Osborn retracted his account, but this turned out to be false and that Osborn had insisted to his HSCA interviewer that he was certain about the bullet because he had held the bullet in his hands. Captain Stover said he recalled that the bullet was brought to the autopsy in an envelope, confirming Dr. Young's account that he handed Humes an envelope that contained the limo bullet.

Captains Stover, Osborne, and Young may have been referring to the same bullet. Dr. Mantik:

Since Stover did recall a bullet, “missle” may actually have described the intact bullet that White House physician James Morningstar Young, MD, reported as found inside the presidential limousine that night. Young reported that White House Medical Corpsman Chief Petty Officer Thomas Mills gave him the bullet in an envelope after he returned from the White House garage to retrieve skull fragments from the rear of the limousine.

In April 1980, David Lifton contacted Stover, who had been the commanding officer (i.e., Humes’s immediate superior) of the US Naval Medical School and, like Osborne, had been present during the autopsy. Lifton said that Stover confirmed Osborne’s assertion that there was a bullet in the autopsy room, saying (my emphasis): “It seems to me that the one they found in Dallas they brought up….I think it was in a brown paper envelope."

So, we now have a scenario where the following individuals may all have seen the same bullet: Young, Mills, Martinell, Osborne, and Stover. (Curiously, Jerrol Custer described a “king-sized” metal fragment from JFK’s back.) But Osborne and Stover did not know the origin of this bullet, whereas the first three individuals (Young, Mills, and Martinell) did. Humes also must have known, but he remained eternally — and disingenuously — silent. . . .

Young’s bullet must not be confused with either CE 567 or with CE 569, which were only bullet fragments. Furthermore, CE 567 was discovered between the front seats, while CE 569 was discovered on the front floor. On the other hand, Young's bullet was found on the floor near the back seat of the JFK limousine.   

In addition, Young reported that his bullet had a tip. Do you see a tip in either CE 567 or in CE 569? Young not only reported a bullet tip, but he also described this bullet as a “bent brass slug.” Neither of these two fragments (CE 567 or CE 569) match Young’s intact bullet. (The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, pp. 332-333)


It should also be pointed out that CEs 567 and 569 were never brought to the autopsy but were turned over to the FBI and taken to FBI lab at FBI HQ. They were given to FBI Special Agent Orrin Bartlett by Secret Service Deputy Chief Paul Paterni and Assistant Special Agent in Charge Floyd M. Boring and were taken directly to the FBI lab.

Finally, it is worth noting that Dr. Young supported the EOP entry site, and that he also seemed to confirm the low fragment trail. Said Dr. Young,

It was determined that he had been struck by two bullets, the second most probably striking him in the right occiput with the bullet lodging in behind the right orbit or at least a fragment of the bullet lodging there. ("Oral History with CAPT (ret) James Morningstar Young, MC, USN," Interview 3, p. 52, https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Capt_James_Young_Interview.pdf)

The autopsy pathologists said the low fragment trail extended from the EOP site to the right orbit, the same wound path that Dr. Young described. However, as many here know, and as I've pointed out numerous times, the extant autopsy skull x-rays show no low fragment trail, no fragment trail that starts/ends anywhere near the EOP and no fragment trail that connects the EOP site with the two fragments located near the right orbit.

So either the autopsy pathologists were so unbelievably incompetent as to mistake the high fragment trail for a trail that was several inches lower and that neither started nor ended anywhere near the EOP or the right orbit, or they outright lied about the low fragment trail, or nearly all of the low fragment trail (except for the two fragments near the right orbit) was removed from the skull x-rays.

The evidence for the EOP entry site described in the autopsy report is indeed impressive. But, if the EOP site is correct, which it surely is, then the autopsy brain photos must be fraudulent, since they show no damage to the right occipital lobe and no damage to the cerebellum.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:24:10 PM »
JC-

I never said the snubnose .38 was used to fire upon the limo.

Although a .38, firing lead, rather than FMJ bullets, might explain the Tague shot. Might. Might not. Only lead was detected on the curb near Tague.

My best guess is the GK smoke-and-bang show was a diversion, and it worked.

The second official investigation, HSCA, found someone fired a shot in the GK area as the limo passed.

There it stands. Each to his own.

Why would a guy on the GK be firing in the direction of Tague?

If the purpose was to frame a lone patsy in the TSBD, why would "they" fire any weapon from the GK. Kind of defeats the whole purpose.
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You lie openly with insanity.

Even presidents do these days.
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Because the crack or hole showed up between the K back shot and the head shot, where did this slug go?????

The crack was caused by a fragment of the headshot.
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Dischler had a secret, like Ms Kilgallen? lol
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Right wing nuthouse...

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-jfk-assassination-decoded-two-reviews
 Monday, 27 February 2023 15:34
The JFK Assassination Decoded: Two Reviews

Jerome Corsi and James DiEugenio review Dr. David Mantik's new book The JFK Assassination Decoded: Criminal Forgery in the Autopsy Photographs and X-rays.
hey Tom (if you’re there), guess you know the MM website by PJ is not OK, as in, it is no more.  Sigh.  Posted there was also PJ and Mitchell’s stenographers’ recording of their little tête à tête.  Oh well.  Some things get erased.
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Because the crack or hole showed up between the K back shot and the head shot, where did this slug go?????
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    Where is Zapruder? The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder. He gets very close to Zapruder. Wiegman then hangs a (L) and runs down the knoll between the Stemmons Sign and the Newman Family. We should be able to see a trace of the lower body of Zapruder up atop the steps. We do Not. Why? Zapruder has moved during a "Time Gap" here. "Missing Time"! Maybe, Wiegman for whatever reason, Stopped up there before hanging a (L) and running down the knoll. Remember that in "Pictures Of The Pain" (1994), Wiegman said that he saw SA Lem Johns UP-The-Knoll. Maybe this time gap/lost time is when Wiegman saw SA Lem Johns up-the-knoll? Maybe Wiegman filmed SA Lem Johns during this "time gap"? SA Johns claimed that he Never left Elm St after he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car.  The FBI has always claimed that no agents were assigned a ground position inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.
    The Yellow Circled Officer Hargis is also a problem. He gave WC Testimony that he ran to that little wall that runs down from Zapruder. Hargis thought a shooter had fired from atop the Triple Underpass. He wanted to get a good look at the top of the Triple Underpass while covered by the short wall. But Hargis being behind the short wall is not on any image.
     The Wiegman Film was claimed to have been shot "continuously" for 30+ years following the assassination. "Pictures Of The Pain" comes out 31 yrs after the assassination with Wiegman claiming to have seen SA Lem Johns "Up-The Knoll", and all the sudden the Wiegman Film is now claimed to NOT be filmed continuously. There is a connection.
The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder.

The Bell film shows Weigman (circled in red) lying on the steps. He has just finished filming the Hesters (Mrs Hester circled in yellow) and is in the process of getting up.
Weigman doesn't move from this spot. He doesn't approach Zapruder at all. Note - in the bottom left of this image we can see Hargis stood by a lamp post.



There is then a cut in the film and Weigman is suddenly down by the Newmans. Note - in this image we can see Hargis is now running across Elm Street towards his car.



In the Couch film we see the moment Weigman runs down the knoll from his spot on the steps filming the Hesters to his spot near the Newmans where he starts to film them. We should be able to see Zapruder and Sitzman in the Couch footage but the Stemmons sign is in the way.



In the image above Weigman is about half way along his run. Hargis is still at the lamp post and is about to start his run across Elm Street.


"The Wiegman Film was claimed to have been shot "continuously" for 30+ years following the assassination."

From my own viewing it seems that the opening shot of the Weigman film is a single shot up until the point he has finished filming the Hesters. The film then clearly cuts to the Newmans. There can be zero doubt there is a cut at this point so I'm not sure how there could be a claim that it was continuous.


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You lie openly with insanity.

Lying openly with insanity has its consequences.  Par example, my old acquaintance Edwin (aka Culto) from the Letsroll forums kept posting that 9/11 victim Ingebord Lariby was still alive.  Worse than ghoulish!  Eventually, after legal steps were taken without any action to stop this, measures were taken, and he had a visit.  Nothing like Louie from Brooklyn might do, but close.  I hope the rest of the Paine family are still
Quakers, if thee knows what I mean heh heh.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:37:21 AM »
JC-

I never said the snubnose .38 was used to fire upon the limo.

Although a .38, firing lead, rather than FMJ bullets, might explain the Tague shot. Might. Might not. Only lead was detected on the curb near Tague.

My best guess is the GK smoke-and-bang show was a diversion, and it worked.

The second official investigation, HSCA, found someone fired a shot in the GK area as the limo passed.

There it stands. Each to his own.

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