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NO ACCOMPLICE ?

How did Oswald exit the TSBD without being seen doing so? He did so using the "wide open" Huge Gates that faced the Elm St Extension.

He set this "entry/exit" up for the shooter. And then used it himself.

Your imagined scenarios never cease to amuse.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:43:51 PM »
In Altgens 6 we see Agents Landis, Ready and Hickey looking over their right shoulders towards the TSBD, presumably in response to the sound of gunfire:


Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "

Each agent describes their immediate reactions to hearing the first shot, turning to look over their right shoulders looking towards where they felt the sound came from. This is exactly what we see in Altgens 6. However, when we take a closer look at Zapruder we see no meaningful reaction from them (Hickey looks briefly over the side of the car but then returns to his original position). The partial footage of the Z-film below focuses on the follow-up car. It runs from z133 to z207. At no point do we see any meaningful reaction from the agents mentioned above:



A first shot in the z130's or z160's is ruled out by this evidence.
Even a shot around z190 seems unlikely.

It is only ruled out if we assume these agents recognized the sound of the first gunshot. Agent Bennett reported two shots prior to Altgens taking his #6 picture. He heard the first shot and saw the second shot strike JFK on the upper back. Both of the shots were fired before Altgens 6 was taken. So we are left with two possibilities. Landis, Ready, and Hickey didn't recognize the sound of the first shot for what it was or Bennett heard a shot that wasn't fired. Which do you think makes more sense?
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As I've mentioned, one of the things that makes Dr. Young's account so compelling, aside from the fact that it was confirmed by Chief Mills,

Correction. Young claimed it was corroborated by Mills. There is no record of what Mills actually said.
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is that Young devoutly believed in the Warren Commission's (WC's) version of the shooting. Young was so trusting and naive about the WC that he called Arlen Specter to try to get answers about the deformed limo bullet!

And Specter, like Ford, had no idea what he was talking about.
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Let us read Dr. Young's complete answer from the interview transcript when he was asked if the limo bullet was a copper-jacketed bullet, instead of the slightly edited answer that appears in Milicent Cranor's article:

Question: So the bullet, again, was a copper-jacketed bullet like a military bullet?

Answer: No, it was a brass jacket. That's what I've described it as, a brass-jacketed bullet. It didn't look like it. I don't know, maybe it's copper, I couldn't tell. But it was that color of brass and it was slightly bent on the end. It was not a straight bullet. In other words, it had hit something and it bent. . . . ("Oral History with CAPT (ret) James Morningstar Young, MC, USN," Interview 3, p. 54, emphasis added, https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Capt_James_Young_Interview.pdf)

A perfect description of CE399.
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Notice that Dr. Young said the bullet "didn't look like" a copper-jacketed bullet, so he obviously saw the bullet.

Notice that Dr. Young also said that he "couldn't tell" if "maybe" the bullet had a copper jacket, that it was "that color of brass," and that it was was "slightly bent on the end." These statements are further clear proof that he saw the bullet. 

How is that proof. A 72 year old man's recollection of an event 38 years prior is hardly compelling proof.
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A note of clarification about the interview transcript: There were actually six interviews. They occurred on December 4, 7, and 17, 2001, and on January 7, 14, and 23, 2002. Interviews 1, 2, and 3 were the 2001 interviews. Interviews 4, 5, and 6 were the 2002 interviews. The interview transcript, produced by the U.S. Navy Medical Department Oral History Program, combines all six interviews into one 114-page transcript, although it identifies each interview by number.

Interview 3 was the interview in which Dr. Young made the above-quoted statements "it didn't look like it"; "maybe it's copper, I couldn't tell"; "it was slightly bent"; "it was not a straight bullet"; and "it had hit something."

Which CE399 had done.
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The Office of Medical History's 12-page 2013 article was based on the 2001 interviews. It did not include the above-quoted paragraph, although it did include the statements that a deformed bullet was found in the back of the limo and that Dr. Young called Chief Mills to verify his recollection before sending Specter information on the bullet (“Navy Medicine and President Kennedy’s Autopsy: Recollections from a former White House Physician,” pp. 8, 10-11, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Navy_Medicine_and_President_Kennedy%E2%80%99s_Autopsy-_Recollections_from_a_former_White_House_Physician_(IA_NMAndTheKennedyAssassination).pdf).

Again, the recollection is Young's version of what Mills said. No record of what Mills actually said.
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The Office of Medical History's 2013 article is 12 pages long, but the three 2001 interviews occupy 55 pages in the Oral History Program's 114-page transcript. So the Office of Medical History's 12-page 2013 article is a markedly condensed version of what Dr. Young said in his three 2001 interviews, and the 11/21/2013 Navy Medicine article that Corbett blunderingly cited is a highly condensed version of the 12-page article.

Why is citing that source a blunder? I found a source and I quoted it verbatim.
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It is worth noting that during the interviews, Dr. Young defended the WC's version of the shooting. For example:

Well, it's an interesting commentary and there's no question, well there's no question in my mind but the President was shot from behind. . . .

And, of course, the thing that I've said in here about Bill Greer, who was driving the Queen Mary was that [he] had brain tissue and blood spattered over his right posterior shoulder. Which, in my estimation could only have made that bullet come from behind, not from the grassy knoll, not from the side, not from the air or whatever. It had to come from behind and spray forward onto his right shoulder. ("Oral History with CAPT (ret) James Morningstar Young, MC, USN," Interview 3, pp. 54-55)


Dr. Young also criticized the conspiracy claim that JFK's body arrived in a body bag:

Doctor Humes, in his article that he wrote for JAMA back in '92 states clearly when the body was brought into the hospital it was not in a body bag, but it was draped in apparently a sheet or something. He said there was no body bag at all.

No problem then. I have no difficulty with that description whatsoever. ("Oral History with CAPT (ret) James Morningstar Young, MC, USN," Interview 3, p. 44)


I note these facts to show that Dr. Young was not some "conspiracy theorist" who was trying to take advantage of his status as an eyewitness at the autopsy to spin a tale to discredit the lone-gunman scenario.

The fact that Dr. Young was no naively trusting of the WC as to expect Arlen Specter to give him straight answers about the deformed limo bullet, not to mention that he defended the WC's version of the shooting and attacked a well-known conspiracy claim, shows that he is the textbook example of a hostile witness. This makes his account all the more credible and devastating.

Dr. Young's version of what happened demonstrates perfectly what I have consistently said about witnesses in general. They tend to get some things right and some things wrong. It's not an all or nothing proposition. There is no record of anybody, other than Young, saying a bullet that was recovered from the limo was delivered to Bethesda during the autopsy. Nothing to corroborate Young's memory of an event that had happened 38 years earlier. Humes, Boswell, and Finck never mentioned such a bullet. There is no record of Mills saying that. Only Young claiming Mills had said that.

I found this excerpt from Boswell's ARRB testimony:

Q. Do you recall there being any requests being made by you or anyone else to other people who were there regarding shell fragments, bullets, anything else that would have been useful to see during the course of the autopsy?

A. I know there was discussion because there were some security people in the morgue and on the telephone--the telephone was on the wall right at the head of the morgue table where we were working. And I remember them telling us that a bullet had been found, that bone fragments had been found, and I believe that they were being transported to Washington separately. And the bone fragments eventually came into the morgue that night. The bullet may. I'm not sure about that.

Q. Do you remember seeing any bullets during the course of the autopsy?

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A. Fragments. In the autopsy we found very minute fragments, mostly on the X-rays.

This confirms my suspicion that the medical team at Bethesda had been told that a bullet and bone fragments had been found in the limo and they were being sent to Bethesda. This could well have planted the seed in Young's mind that they were receiving both a bullet and bone fragments. When asked directly if he had seen a bullet, he said he had only seen fragments of bullets.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Today at 03:23:51 PM »
The wrist is in exactly the right position at z271 for the bullet exiting just below the right nipple.  The right elbow may be pressed against the lower ribs but the radius is a few inches in front of the chest. It does move between z271 and z272



but it is constrained by the elbow that is pressed on both sides (the elbow is between the seatback and the lower ribs).

Come on Andrew, let's not go through all this yet again.



Just be honest.
Look at the image of JBC's jacket above and how low down the bullet hole is.
Remember the bullet exits on a downward trajectory, so his wrist would have to be even lower than the bullet hole.
Now look at how high up JBC is holding his wrist in z271.

All you need to do is be honest.
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She's looking down in to her purse as anyone can see in the Davidson Enhancement...

In 2015 I got Kamp to say on ROKC "That I have now come to realize Prayer Man is manipulating something with two hands"...

Yep...Her purse...

It is possible Truly & Baker came face to face with Lee on the 3rd Floor staircase landing as he exited the upstairs via the Passenger elevator in Armstrong's "6th Floor Escape Plan"...That would explain why they never mentioned the Lunch Room Encounter in their first affidavits...DiEugenio is thick-headed and doesn't realize Baker never mentioned the Lunch Room because he knew it exonerated Harvey and showed he wasn't up in the Sniper's Nest shooting...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:14:58 PM »
The wrist is in exactly the right position at z271 for the bullet exiting just below the right nipple.  The right elbow may be pressed against the lower ribs but the radius is a few inches in front of the chest. It does move between z271 and z272



but it is constrained by the elbow that is pressed on both sides (the elbow is between the seatback and the lower ribs).

How the hell does a bullet fired from behind the limo exit from the right nipple during that sequence? It's preposterous
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Armstrong is one of the best in the business...He deserves better and his evidence stands up...
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Multicam of the copy of Zapruder (Not upscaled or interpolated with AI  BS: ) and Nix with the Dictabelt
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oceXQtX1F0Z22GfuepaeF-fPNX345jvQ/view?usp=drivesdk
And to top it off, here's what i believe are the approximate times when the 3 shots were fired, the silence in between the shots would be LHO cocking the rifle (oh no the theorists are gonna skin me alive for saying this)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MfmMfSGxtd3U5wN4XMMhRPJ9RkGCbpjs/view?usp=drivesdk
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It is a fact that Oswald killed JFK. The fact that some won't accept that does not change that fact.
In the same sense that gravity is just a theory.
The time for being open minded about Oswald's guilt expired a long time ago. Almost 62 years ago.

i can't quote Bugliosi exactly but he stated that if a person doesn't believe Oswald was JFK's assassin, either they are unfamiliar with the evidence against him, or they are very silly. I agree whole heartedly with that assessment.

"It is a fact that Oswald killed JFK."

I'm going to be generous and say that I'm assuming you don't understand what the word "fact" means (in reality I suspect something much darker)

Returning to the OP -  Why did they let a Patsy have a Press Conference?
Who is the "they" he is referring to?
John clarifies that it is "the Dallas Police" he means when he says "they".
I'd be interested to know who is suggesting the entire Dallas Police Department was involved in a conspiracy.
What kind of lunatic would be suggesting such an outlandish thing?



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 02:39:08 PM »
That's right Andrew.
As it has been demonstrated to you numerous times, JBC's wrist is way above where the bullet exited his chest at z271.
It is impossible for the bullet to have struck the top side of his wrist in this position.
Physically impossible.As has been demonstrated to you on numerous occasions.

It is also physically impossible that JBC's radius was shattered by a blow from a bullet yet his hand/arm doesn't move a fraction of an inch in response to this blow.
When will you accept that your stillborn theory died a long, long time ago.
Denial is a super-unhealthy mental state.
The wrist is in exactly the right position at z271 for the bullet exiting just below the right nipple.  The right elbow may be pressed against the lower ribs but the radius is a few inches in front of the chest. It does move between z271 and z272



but it is constrained by the elbow that is pressed on both sides (the elbow is between the seatback and the lower ribs).
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