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The shot sequence they chose to test was the least plausible one of those proposed by the WC. Why CBS chose that one is a head scratcher. To make matters worse, Cronkite made a blatantly false statement when he claimed the WC said the first shot was fired at Z210 which is how the 5.6 second time limit was arrived at. It had to be a low point in Cronkite's career to make a mistake that bad. All he had to do was read the conclusions paragraph at the end of the chapter dealing with the shots Oswald fired. Instead, he relied on myths that had been created, most notably by Josiah Thompson's silly title Six Seconds in Dallas. a fictitious examination of the JFKA. The WC never concluded that the all 3 shots were fired in under 6 seconds and anyone who believes they did has either neither read the WCR or has a very serious reading comprehension problem.
They read the report and read between the lines. They also understood that the WC members all thought the first shot struck JFK.  The four members who supported the SBT thought JBC was hit on the first shot but did not feel it right away.  This is why JBC could not agree because he knew he felt the bullet that hit him in the back and that it was after the first.  This prompted him on the third anniversary of the assassination to issue a statement stating that he was not hit on the first shot. He said that he disagreed with the WC on that point but agreed with their conclusion.  Here is the full NYT article containing the statement:

“ AUSTIN, Tex., Nov. 23--Following is a statement made by Gov. John B. Connally Jr. today in discussing the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas three years ago:

I want to make it abundantly clear that I have no desire to prolong or perpetuate the stark memories of the tragedy of three years ago. This conference has been arranged solely as a result of the widespread request of newsmen. I will take just a moment to reiterate and to clarify once again the events of that day. Let me point out that this information is not new. It is precisely the information I recalled and related in a television interview from a hospital bed in Dallas on Nov. 27, just a few days following the assassination. It is precisely the way I related it in testimony to the Warren Commission. It also is precisely the way it had been recalled by me in interviews since that time.

I am convinced, beyond any doubt, that I was not struck by the first bullet. I know that I heard the first shot, that I turned to see what happened and that I was struck by a second shot. The third shot struck the President and not me.

As I said earlier, this testimony was presented to the Warren Commission. They chose to disagree, which is their privilege. I maintain my original view, and always, shall. I want to make it very clear, however, that simply because I disagree with the Warren Commission on this one detail does not mean that I disagree with the substance of their over-all findings. I think the commission did an outstanding job under difficult circumstances. Each of the members of that commission, Chief Justice Earl Warren, Senator Richard B. Russell, Senator John Sherman Cooper, Representative Hale Boggs, Representative Gerald Ford, Mr. Allen Dulles and Mr. John J. McCloy, are men of unquestioned integrity, of long and devoted service to their nation, men whose dedication to the task of seeking truth in these circumstances I would never question, and men whose patriotism has been manifested so many times in so many ways over such a long period that it now is somewhat shocking to me that in the backlash of tragedy, journalistic scavengers such as Mark Lane, attempting to impugn the motives of these members individually, cast doubts upon the commission as a whole and question the credibility of the Government itself. I think it is time that we pause and reflect on who these individuals are and rather than calling for a further investigation of the assassination, which in my judgment is neither warranted, justified or desirable, we should turn our attention to doing a little research on and evaluation of the credentials of the self-appointed experts who, with no evidence, no new facts, nevertheless use distortion, inference, innuendo, in order to cast doubts and create confusion. I suspect that a searching investigation into their own credentials will divulge that their motives have political overtones and that their views have been given prominence out of proportion to their value.”
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Plain as day in Altgens 6...It is not even a question...

It makes Prayer Man Stanton...

Period...

      You claimed the Prayer Man Spot could Not see the Limo. How about proffering images from that very spot, the Prayer Man Spot, to corroborate your claim?  You do Not establish/corroborate a Line Of Sight (LOS), by using a differing position inside Dealey Plaza. That's totally bananas. And you know it.
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The two men are obviously Lovelady & Shelley fast walking up the Elm St extension and were gotten by valid photo enhancement means...

When you point out that Shelley's white button down shirt collar is visible above his black suit collar you get no answer...Shelley's body shape and Duck's Ass hair doo are also visible...Lovelady's plaid shirt is plainly visible...You cannot ignore this evidence and retain credibility...We need to establish that those men are confirmed as Lovelady & Shelley...Unfortunately, the research world is so screwed-up that John Armstrong joins those who deny that the men are definitely Lovelady & Shelley...

    The Couch and Darnell films show the "2 Guys" already walking alongside the "getaway" car as Officer Baker runs across the Island. There are images of Shelley and Lovelady standing on the TSBD front steps as Officer Baker runs toward them. This being AFTER Officer Baker has already run across the Island. Shelley and Lovelady can Not be in 2 places at the same time. It is physically impossible for the "2 Guys" walking next to the "getaway" to be Shelley and Lovelady.
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   What documentation is there that the Prayer Man Spot, "....cannot see the limousine because of the west wall of the portal"? That landing is now deeper than it was on 11/22/63

Plain as day in Altgens 6...It is not even a question...

It makes Prayer Man Stanton...

Period...
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Kamp knows that when Frazier said Stanton was to his left he was talking about when she first came out on to the front steps...Yes Stanton was to Frazier's left for what was probably the majority of the time she was out there, however my post made clear that the only thing that matters is where Stanton was during the time of the Prayer Man photography...Kamp is not honest, and Gardner & Frame are not competent interviewers, because they do not admit, or bring to Kamp's attention, that both Lovelady and Frazier put Stanton in the Prayer Man spot in their statements...Kamp is deliberately trying to mislead - which is the same as lying...Again, if I were allowed the fair air time I have earned in a debate with Kamp he would not get away with that with me as a fellow podcast guest...Lovelady made more than clear that Stanton was in the Prayer Man spot at the time the limousine passed by the front steps (Hughes and Wiegman)...Kamp is fishing for confirmation and hoping to deceive the public with a deliberately out of context quote and he is being assisted by delinquent podcast hosts (like usual)...Frazier said that after Calvery told them the president has been shot that he and Stanton were "staring at each other in shock for the longest time"...That time period Frazier is referencing is the exact time period shown in Couch/Darnell and it negates the false reference Kamp makes of Frazier saying Stanton was to his left...Kamp tries to ignore the other layer upon layers of confirming evidence that makes Stanton Prayer Man like her height, elbow-length sleeves, and dress neckline...Like the fact she said she could not see the limousine at the time of the shots (Prayer Man cannot see the limousine because of the west wall of the portal)...Nor can Kamp show us Stanton to Frazier's left in the clear Altgens 6 frame in stereoscopic juxtaposition to the first Wiegman frames...If Stanton was to Frazier's left in the photography in question we would see her there in Altgens and Wiegman...Frazier said Stanton was in the deepest part of the shadows on the front steps...The deepest part of the shadows is exactly where Prayer Man is standing...These are the operative evidence points and Kamp has failed to answer them...

The Prayer Man people are avoiding obtaining the original film copy of the Hughes Film because High Tech enhancement like that done by Chris Davidson will most-likely bring out the obese body of Sarah Stanton exactly in the Prayer Man spot...The research world has been hijacked by the Prayer Man people and they are dishonestly directing what evidence is pursued and what is not...These are people who accept the Cinque-like claim that the dress neckline in the 1st generation copy of Darnell is a CIA forgery...

Kamp is lying when he libels in public that I do not show any evidence...

   What documentation is there that the Prayer Man Spot, "....cannot see the limousine because of the west wall of the portal"? That landing is now deeper than it was on 11/22/63
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Wait a minute! As crazy people sometimes do, it seems to me that the resident loon may have inadvertently hit upon an excellent idea. If forum members simply had subpoena power - you know, sort of like a JFKA grand jury - wouldn't that move these discussions along? Bart Kamp, get your butt over here! Anyone NOT think this is a good idea as a new Term of Service?

Subpoena Power

Forum members are authorized to subpoena any person, living or dead, to appear and give testimony, under oath and penalty of perjuy or something like that, regarding any matter that at least two forum members believe (1) is or might somehow be related to the assassination of JFK and/or (2) would be kind of fun and interesting to hear about. Failure to appear shall be deemed an admission that anything the forum members may have to say about the individual, now or in the future, is true.
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The two men are obviously Lovelady & Shelley fast walking up the Elm St extension and were gotten by valid photo enhancement means...

When you point out that Shelley's white button down shirt collar is visible above his black suit collar you get no answer...Shelley's body shape and Duck's Ass hair doo are also visible...Lovelady's plaid shirt is plainly visible...You cannot ignore this evidence and retain credibility...We need to establish that those men are confirmed as Lovelady & Shelley...Unfortunately, the research world is so screwed-up that John Armstrong joins those who deny that the men are definitely Lovelady & Shelley...
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   Where are you at Bart Kamp? All you gotta do is answer the O'meara question above. Or, you can use an intermediary to answer the question like Gary Mack used to do. Your "work" product is being questioned. Your extended silence is akin to "taking the 5th".

Perfect! It's Royell Logic, where everything is upside down and bassackwards. Two complete loons profess to be mystified by Bart's enhancement; the Voice of Reason (moi) asks Bart about this at his site where he invites contact; Bart is kind enough to respond by email; the VOR (moi) posts Bart's response; the two loons persist with their dark suspicions; the VOR (moi) suggests the two loons contact Bart themselves, posts his contact informatiion, and repeatedly bumps that suggestion; the two loons do not contact Bart because (1) hey, what would Bart know about how Bart enhanced the image anyway and (2) such contact would carry great risk of spoiling the two loons' loonish fun; BUT NOW that one loon's claim of "not a peep" has been exposed as ludicrous, said loon insists it is BART'S OBLIGATION to appear here and defend himself.

I tried to toss said loon a bone by saying I was just tweaking him, but let's be honest: he really is COMPLETELY INSANE Huge Gates Getaway Car One Glove Bogus Imposter Haygood Bart Faked Shelley and Lovelady Guy. Despite my decades of activity on weirdness forums where I thought I'd pretty much seen it all, the JFKA does seem to attract a unique species of nutcase. Why is that, I wonder?
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   Where are you at Bart Kamp? All you gotta do is answer the O'meara question above. Or, you can use an intermediary to answer the question like Gary Mack used to do. Your "work" product is being questioned. Your extended silence is akin to "taking the 5th".

He's over on the "Jacks" website where Tony Krome is protecting him with censorship and banning...
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Kamp knows that when Frazier said Stanton was to his left he was talking about when she first came out on to the front steps...Yes Stanton was to Frazier's left for what was probably the majority of the time she was out there, however my post made clear that the only thing that matters is where Stanton was during the time of the Prayer Man photography...Kamp is not honest, and Gardner & Frame are not competent interviewers, because they do not admit, or bring to Kamp's attention, that both Lovelady and Frazier put Stanton in the Prayer Man spot in their statements...Kamp is deliberately trying to mislead - which is the same as lying...Again, if I were allowed the fair air time I have earned in a debate with Kamp he would not get away with that with me as a fellow podcast guest...Lovelady made more than clear that Stanton was in the Prayer Man spot at the time the limousine passed by the front steps (Hughes and Wiegman)...Kamp is fishing for confirmation and hoping to deceive the public with a deliberately out of context quote and he is being assisted by delinquent podcast hosts (like usual)...Frazier said that after Calvery told them the president has been shot that he and Stanton were "staring at each other in shock for the longest time"...That time period Frazier is referencing is the exact time period shown in Couch/Darnell and it negates the false reference Kamp makes of Frazier saying Stanton was to his left...Kamp tries to ignore the other layer upon layers of confirming evidence that makes Stanton Prayer Man like her height, elbow-length sleeves, and dress neckline...Like the fact she said she could not see the limousine at the time of the shots (Prayer Man cannot see the limousine because of the west wall of the portal)...Nor can Kamp show us Stanton to Frazier's left in the clear Altgens 6 frame in stereoscopic juxtaposition to the first Wiegman frames...If Stanton was to Frazier's left in the photography in question we would see her there in Altgens and Wiegman...Frazier said Stanton was in the deepest part of the shadows on the front steps...The deepest part of the shadows is exactly where Prayer Man is standing...These are the operative evidence points and Kamp has failed to answer them...

The Prayer Man people are avoiding obtaining the original film copy of the Hughes Film because High Tech enhancement like that done by Chris Davidson will most-likely bring out the obese body of Sarah Stanton exactly in the Prayer Man spot...The research world has been hijacked by the Prayer Man people and they are dishonestly directing what evidence is pursued and what is not...These are people who accept the Cinque-like claim that the dress neckline in the 1st generation copy of Darnell is a CIA forgery...

Kamp is lying when he libels in public that I do not show any evidence...
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