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Nay-saying one liners do not equal the case-cracking genius of John Armstrong whose findings should be self-evident for any well-read JFK researcher...

Lone Nutters are people who take advantage of the government's mishandling and covering-up of the evidence...


They gain something they haven't earned when they are given equal say in evidence discussions...

The funny part is, you people think you are accomplishing something. Collectively, the "research community" has been stuck in neutral for the 35 years I have been arguing this case online and a lot longer than that. Just what is it you think you are accomplishing with your silly hobby. You guys keep polishing the same old I could crush a Grape ooooh yummy yummy and admiring the shine. I keep seeing the same arguments that I saw when I first joined the fray on the Prodigy system in 1991, in some cases from the same people. It's all the same old crap and you're going nowhere with it. Do you honestly think after all these years you're going to make some game changing discovery. If you haven't figured out this case with what is already available, you never will.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 04:21:51 PM »
As noted earlier, Dale Myers claims that the report produced by the NRC/NAS panel (also known as the CBA or the Ramsey Panel) is a “devastating critique” of the HSCA’s acoustical evidence. Not even close. Let’s take another look at this supposedly “devastating critique”:

-- As part of their recalculation of the probability that the dictabelt’s 144.9 impulse pattern was a shot from the grassy knoll, the NRC/NAS panel arbitrarily and wrongly assumed there were two degrees of freedom associated with the shooting position, but in fact there was only one degree of freedom, as MIT mathematician Dr. David Scheim pointed out:

For example, the critical Weiss-Aschkenasy conclusion of a 95-percent
probability of a grassy knoll shot was treated only in a sketchy three-page
appendix [in the NRC/NAS panel's report] that made one outright error -- there was only
one degree, not two, of freedom associated with the position of the shooter along
the grassy knoll fence. (Scheim, The Mafia Killed President Kennedy, 1992, p. 408 n 120)


-- In another facet of their effort to reduce the probability of the grassy knoll shot, the NRC/NAS panel used the curious, invalid approach of subtracting degrees of freedom from the obtained matches between the 144.9 impulse pattern and the pattern of the test shot from the grassy knoll. As Dr. Scheim noted, this is “akin to computing the volume of a cube as three by adding its dimensions” (Ibid.).

These two errors were how the NRC/NAS panel reduced the grassy knoll shot’s probability from 95+% to 77.7%. Of course, a 77.7% probability is still a rather high probability.

I have never seen a WC apologist comment on the fact that the Ramsey Panel admitted there was a 77.7% probability that the dictabelt’s 144.9 impulse pattern was caused by gunfire from the grassy knoll.

-- The NRC/NAS panel made no effort to explain the fact that the acoustical fingerprint of the grassy knoll test shot matched the acoustical fingerprint of the dictabelt’s 144.9 impulse pattern in all 26 points.

Queens College acoustical scientists Mark Weiss and Ernest Aschkenasy (two of the HSCA’s six acoustical experts) did a sonar analysis and found that all 26 of the echo patterns of the grassy knoll test shot matched with the 26 echo patterns of the dictabelt’s 144.9 impulse pattern (8 HSCA 27-29). 

Again, the Ramsey Panel didn’t even mention this remarkable correlation, much less try to explain it.   

-- The NRC/NAS panel also used faulty calculations to recalculate the probability of the timing-movement correlations identified by the four BBN scientists (four of the HSCA’s six acoustical experts) between the dictabelt’s impulse patterns and the impulse patterns on the recording of the Dealey Plaza test firing; however, they still ended up admitting there was a 93% probability that the correlations existed because the dictabelt was recorded by a microphone that was in Dealey Plaza during the assassination.

The BBN scientists said there was less than a 1% probability that the timing-movement correlations were the result of chance, based on the value of P<0.01 (i.e., probability less than 1%). The NRC/NAS panel argued that the BBN scientists had miscalculated, and that the BBN value of P<0.01 was actually P=0.07 (i.e., probability equals 7%).

The NRC/NAS panel claimed this meant the importance of the timing-movement correlations was “significantly reduced.” They didn’t bother to point out that a 7% probability that the correlations were the result of chance meant there was a 93% probability that the correlations were not the result of chance.

In the science of statistics, as the NRC/NAS panel members surely knew, if a correlation has a 93% probability of not being a coincidence, that means it is “extremely likely” the correlation is not a coincidence.

I have never seen a WC apologist mention this crucial admission.

BTW, subsequent research has proven that the BBN scientists’ calculations were correct and the NRC/NAS panel’s calculations were incorrect.

-- The NRC/NAS panel made no effort to explain the stunning presence on the dictabelt of N-waves characteristic of rifle fire. What makes the N-waves’ presence especially remarkable is that each of them is followed by a muzzle blast and then by muzzle-blast echoes, just as they should be. Moreover, a muzzle blast follows each N-wave at the correct interval, and the muzzle-blast echoes also follow the muzzle blasts at the correct interval.

Since the panel said nothing about the N-waves and their associated muzzle blasts and muzzle-blast echoes, they also said nothing about the fact that those N-waves occur only among the identified gunshot impulse patterns on the dictabelt, and only in the two impulse patterns that were recorded when the motorcycle’s microphone was in position to record the N-waves.

I spend considerable time documenting and discussing the N-wave evidence in my article “The HSCA’s Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman”.

-- The NRC/NAS panel made no effort to explain the remarkable windshield-distortion correlations documented by the HSCA’s acoustical scientists and confirmed by testing that they arranged with the New York City Police Department. The panel didn’t even mention these correlations. Since the panel didn’t even mention them, they didn’t comment on the fact the windshield distortions on the dictabelt occur only in those impulse patterns that were recorded when the microphone was in position to record them, and do not occur when the microphone was not in such a position.

Now, let’s review the NRC/NAS/CBA/Ramsey Panel errors that I’ve already discussed in previous replies:

-- The NRC/NAS panel miscalculated the duration of the alleged recording pause (their needle-skip adjustment) by nearly 100% because they didn't understand how the dictabelt machine worked.

-- The NRC/NAS panel originated the whole bogus heterodyne argument because they didn't understand the relationship of the transmitters and didn't understand that broadcasts can be superimposed from one channel onto another in real time.

It is revealing that Linsker and his colleagues abandoned the heterodyne argument in their 2005 response to Dr. Thomas’s research, because they recognized that their own poorly done PCC test disqualified both the Fisher and Decker transmissions as crosstalk if they used the heterodyne argument.

-- The NRC/NAS panel wrongly assumed that the differences in the energy in the Channel 1 heterodynes and the Channel 2 heterodynes proved that the Decker transmission must have been recorded in real time, because they didn't understand that a broadcast from one channel could have been superimposed on another channel in real time.

To this day, WC apologists cite the NRC/NAS/CBA/Ramsey Panel’s report as the definitive, end-of-story refutation of the acoustical evidence, when in fact it is nothing of the kind. It contains numerous major errors and does not even attempt to address several key items of evidence that support the HSCA’s acoustical findings.
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By the 1960s, ordinary commercial firecracker explosives and gunpowder were two different formulations, and did not smell the same.

That many vets and police officers smelled gunsmoke in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, has never been explained.

Since there was only one guy firing a gun in Dealey Plaza, that kind of limits the possibilities.
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We know from women's coats and skirts that the wind was blowing towards the TSBD from the Third St. Overpass at the time of the JFKA---in other words, LHO and the TSBD6 sniper nest were downwind from the limo.

Wind swirls in urban canyons. Gunpowder residue gets discharged away from the source.
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This, beyond dispute, rules out the TSBD6 location as the source of that gunsmoke.

Not for thinking people.
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Many ear-witnesses thought the shots had come from the GK, and smoke in the GK was seen by Sam Holland, a credible witness.

What makes Sam Holland credible?
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This is the same area where someone flashed an ersatz Secret Service badge at DPD Officer Joe Smith, also in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

Myth.
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Putting on a detective hat, one plausible explanation is that someone fired a handgun, possibly an easily concealed  snub-nose .38 (the default concealed weapon of the time), as the presidential limo passed.

You reached for the detective hat, and grabbed the dunce cap by mistake.
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And indeed, the second official investigation in the JFKA, the HSCA-1979, concluded there had been a gunshot at the GK during the JFKA.


The second official investigation was FUBAR.
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Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions. Your conjecture will be as good as anyone else's.

Mine is better than most.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:26:22 PM »


Nay-saying one liners do not equal the case-cracking genius of John Armstrong whose findings should be self-evident for any well-read JFK researcher...

Lone Nutters are people who take advantage of the government's mishandling and covering-up of the evidence...


They gain something they haven't earned when they are given equal say in evidence discussions...
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    Just the opposite...

    They are so desperate to avoid admitting the truth that they go to those extremes of corruption and dishonesty...

    The Education Forum represents a false image of the research community and JFK research because of it...


Research community? Is that what you call this never-ending snipe hunt?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:16:24 PM »

Hardly collapsing...
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      There are several issues from credible sources that you have Not taken into consideration: (1) The Thompson interview of Sitzman and her claiming that after getting down from the pedestal, she then went Down to the BOTTOM of the Knoll. (2) Wiegman detailing in "Pictures Of The Pain" that he saw SA Lem Johns UP on the knoll. Just how firm is the Wiegman ID on the Bell Film? The figure falling/running across the top of the knoll is cavalierly accepted as being Wiegman due to his wearing a Hat. Is it possible that SA Lem Johns was wearing a Hat UP on the Knoll? That I am aware of, Wiegman NEVER ID'd himself as being this figure on the Bell Film. Nor did anyone else.

Sitzman and Johns are completely irrelevant regarding the issue being dealt with.
How firm is the Weigman ID in Bell?
It's 100& Weigman.
You already accepted this ID but are now backtracking for some reason.
YOU must do your own analysis of the Weigman footage to determine his position when he filmed the Hesters.
You will see hie is approaching the concrete platform, just before he starts filming the Hesters his camera points downwards to reveal he is lying on this platform, thge footage is taken from floor level and use the pillars in the background to determine his reletive angle to them (I've already done this in an earlier post).
When you've done this analysis you will be 100% convinced it is Weigman in Bell.
When you are convinced of that consider the following from my previous post:

1] You accept Altgens 8 shows the Hesters both lying on the grass while Zapruder and Sitzman are by the pedestal.
2] The Bell footage showing only Mrs Hester on the grass and her husband hiding out in the pergola while Zapruder and Sitzman are still moving about by the pedsestal.

The Weigman footage shows the moment Charles Hester gets up and moves to the pergola, heroically abandoning his wife.
The Weigman footage captures the moment that connects point #1 to point #2.
Are you suggesting Zapruder and Sitzman disappear between after point 1 (Altgens8) and reappear at point 2 (Bell)?
Or is it more plausible that, as Weigman runs towards the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman are still on top of the pedestal but the footage is too poor to pick them out?
We know Zapruder and Sitzman were still on top of the pedestal while Weigman was running towards the Hesters from the synchronisations provided by the JFK Theorist and me in this thread.
So - can you accept that the Weigman footage is too poor quality to show Zapruder and Sitzman still on the pedestal as Weigman runs towards the Hesters?

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Ted Sager on Yesterday at 07:34:46 AM »
Reports of following cars smelling Gun powder at the corner of Elm, too. Where would that have come from except storm drain at corner.
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Cause others believe the evidence. Such as upward angle of Ks back shot, slug making dent by mirror. JC being shot while turned facing the SBD. Ks head shot transversing his head from left rear to right front. None of that would have been cause from window shots.  That's why others don't believe in a window shooter.
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The focus of this one-page article is Dr. Michael Baden's demonstration in the 1988 NOVA documentary Who Shot President Kennedy? of how far forward JFK would have had to be leaning to make the HSCA FPP's trajectory through the neck align with the sixth-floor window.

"Dr. Baden Refuted the Single-Bullet Theory"

Dr. Wecht mocked the FPP majority's assumption about JFK's forward lean with the joking remark that they were assuming that JFK was bent over tying his shoe laces when the bullet struck. This humorous exaggeration perfectly captures the demonstrably false nature of the FPP's assumption, which Dr. Baden was nice enough to demonstrate in front of TV cameras.

Of course, Baden had no idea he was driving a huge nail in the SBT's coffin with his demonstration.

Keep in mind that Dr. Humes's wound diagram for the WC (i.e., CE 385) puts the wound at C3 or C4. Humes put the wound noticeably above the throat wound, as we see in CE 385. Humes had to put the back wound above the throat wound because he and the WC claimed the bullet traveled a "downward path" through the neck, a piece of pure fiction that even the HSCA FPP rejected and debunked.

True to form, SBT believers shrug off this enormous conflict between the autopsy doctors and the HSCA FPP experts. No matter what, for them the SBT still works, never mind that Humes put the wound at least 2.5 inches higher in CE 385 than where the FPP located it. One WC apologist here, apparently clueless about basic geometry, has even claimed that it makes no difference whatsoever if Humes was wrong and the FPP was right about the wound's location! By golly, the SBT still works! Amazing!

Finally, surely no objective person can look at the autopsy photo of the back wound and conclude that it shows the wound where Humes placed it in CE 385. The HSCA FPP concluded the photo puts the wound at T1, which is at least 2.5 inches lower than where CE 385 places it. Indeed, the FPP said they placed the wound "in the back area" and "a few inches lower" than where Humes placed it in his drawing:

The panel also places the entrance perforation on the lower, in the back area, a few inches lower than illustrated in this drawing. (1 HSCA 256)

Baden was one of several members of the HSCA's FPP who believed that "when the body is repositioned in the anatomic position (not the position at the moment of shooting) the direction of the missile in the body on initial penetration was slightly upward". They were wrong. The majority of that 9 member panel disagreed with them. You have falsely claimed that "several members" equals a majority.

The FPP determined that the entry wound was superior to the ribs. T1 being the uppermost vertebra of the ribs.

Humes was not responsible for the drawings. His placement of the wound on the drawings was too high. However, his testimony that the wound was in the low neck was probably correct.

The Clark Panel measured the entry wound to be about 5.5 cm below a transverse fold in the skin on the back of the neck. The HSCA FPP measured it to be about 6 cm below the skin fold. The Clark Panel measured the wound in the throat to be about 9 cm below the skin fold. The entry wound was above the wound in the throat. It's obvious when viewing the posterior view and the left lateral view of the body that the entry wound was above the wound in the throat. CTs who refuse to admit it will not place a mark on the left lateral view at the level of where the entry wound was because they are incapable of admitting that they are wrong.

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