JFK Assassination Forum

TG-

We have belabored this point a few times.

I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.

But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).

JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.

I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.

Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.

I have one question.

Are you freaking serious?

JBC turned and dipped to his right, then twisted so dramatically in his seat that he was facing directly at JFK, a 180 degree turn. And what do you suppose caused his right arm to suddenly flip upward at Z226, the same frame JFK's arms started upward.

Your explanation is a classic example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It simply doesn't fit with what we can plainly see for ourselves.

TG-

We have belabored this point a few times.

I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.

But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).

JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.

I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.

Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.

LOL!

TG-

We have belabored this point a few times.

I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.

But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).

JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.

I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.

Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.

I already answered these questions in Reply #107, a few replies above: "Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk."

I also helpfully noted that your placement of TUM on the sidewalk only hurts your contentions:

"However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film"

It appears to me at the time this photo was taken, TUM was standing on the far edge of the sidewalk. TUM's leg shadow is being cast on the lawns concrete edge.



This photo taken relatively not long after, shows a cameraman on the sidewalk and by the angle of the shadow we can see that TUM was only inches away from the concrete edge.



BTW, if TUM was part of the conspiracy and was either waving his umbrella or firing a poison dart, there is no way he would hang around and let himself be photographed.

JohnM

    Are you claiming that Witt was standing on: (1) the grass, or, (2) the retaining wall? Both the grass and the retaining wall are incorrect.  He stood on the very wide sidewalk.

I already answered these questions in Reply #107, a few replies above: "Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk."

I also helpfully noted that your placement of TUM on the sidewalk only hurts your contentions:

"However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film"