JFK Assassination Forum

1) Funny, I'm not a big fan of people who utter or write redundancies like "hypothetical imaginings."

2) Regardless, do you think it's absolutely impossible that the first shot was fired right before Zapruder resumed filming, i.e., when the limo was already about 70 feet down Elm Street?

3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."

4) I'm afraid you have Abraham Zapruder and the lead group of motorcycle policemen to blame for your predicament, Robin, because if they hadn't been so doggone far ahead of the limo and/or if Zapruder hadn't turned his camera on when he saw them turning onto Elm Street, he wouldn't have had to stop filming when he realized that the limo wasn't right behind them . . . and then resume filming 17 seconds later when he finally saw the limo, already 70 feet down Elm Street, coming straight towards him.

Hypothetically straight towards him, anyway.

Imagine that!

3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."

Tom you keep talking about a hypothetical Z-124 frame.

A hypothetical imagining of what actually happened on Elm St after Zapruder stopped filming prior to starting again at Z-133.

I am not a big fan of hypothetical imaginings.

1) Funny, I'm not a big fan of people who utter or write redundancies like "hypothetical imaginings."

2) Regardless, do you think it's absolutely impossible that the first shot was fired right before Zapruder resumed filming, i.e., when the limo was already about 70 feet down Elm Street?

3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."

4) I'm afraid you have Abraham Zapruder and the lead group of motorcycle policemen to blame for your predicament, Robin, because if they hadn't been so doggone far ahead of the limo and/or if Zapruder hadn't turned his camera on when he saw them turning onto Elm Street, he wouldn't have had to stop filming when he realized that the limo wasn't right behind them . . . and then resume filming 17 seconds later when he finally saw the limo, already 70 feet down Elm Street, coming straight towards him.

Hypothetically straight towards him, anyway.

Imagine that!

My euphoria is unchecked.

That video is unavailable.

I wonder how a slug, or part of a slug, entered the rear-lower part of JFK's skull, the departed through the right upper side of JFK's skull, and then struck the curb at Tague's feet.  Given that Tague was on JFK's left, at a slightly lower elevation. This does not hold water.

So...WC version: One slug ended up in JBC's leg, CE-399. One slug hit JFK's skull, and this slug or fragments thereof are very unlikely to have split off and hit the curb by Tague.

So the Tague shot came from where? If from LHO, then he wildly missed the limo.

A non-jacketed slug would have most likely been fired by a handgun. The FBI found only lead in the bullet strike mark by Tague.

What would Carnac the Magnificent say?

TG-

Yeah, I get it.

I am amazed anyone today remembers Vince Lombardi, or mentions him as a point of reference.

"Nice guys finish last."

Or, as Rodney Dangerfield said, "I am not a nice guy, and I still finish last."