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Trump won three times.

Dear Herr Smith,

Even if that were true it wouldn't mean anything except that the KGB-Mafia won the Cold War.

-- Tom
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Not surprisingly, WC apologists continue to assume their alleged magic bullet was tumbling through Connally's chest after supposedly hitting his back while traveling sideways or while markedly tumbling.

A perfectly logical observation given that it has been demonstrated experimentally that a Carcano bullet will predictably yaw after exiting a block of ballistic gel and the entry wound on JBC's back was elongated.
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In one of the HSCA's wound-ballistics test, two types of bullets were fired into 12-inch blocks of ballistics gelatin: a 6.5 mm FMJ missile (Oswald's alleged ammo), a .30 caliber FMJ bullet. and a .223 M-16/AR-15 frangible bullet. Side-view photos showed that the 6.5 mm and .30 caliber FMJ bullets punched straight, relatively narrow channels through the gelatin, contradicting the theory that the Connally chest bullet was yawing when it passed through the governor's torso (see JFK Exhibit F-116 in 1 HSCA 392).

As usual, you address the wrong question. The question isn't whether the bullet would have yawed while passing through JFK's neck. The question is what it will do upon exiting. The Haag team demonstrated that the bullet would predictably yaw when exiting. The bullet would have yawed after exiting JFK's throat and before it entered JBC's back.
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Dr. Shaw, Connally's chest surgeon, noted that the bullet created a small tunneling wound and shattered the rib while doing only minor damage to the muscles beside it. He reported that the bullet created a "small tunneling wound" (7 HSCA 149), and he noted "the neat way in which it stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it" (4 H 116).

In addition, the fact that the entry wound in Connally's back was only 1.5 x 0.8 cm rules out a sideways-striking bullet, or even a markedly tumbling bullet. The wound's dimensions simply show that Connally was turning when the bullet struck, just as he said he was. Stewart Fillmore, a retired FBI agent who has conducted SBT wound-ballistics tests, has noted this point in another thread in this forum:

Nobody has claimed the bullet was perfectly perpendicular to JBC's back when it made its entry. The bullet would make an elongated wound even if it had not rotated 90 degrees before entering JBC''s back. Once more, MTG's poor analytical skills rear their ugly head.
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I would point out that WC apologists here still have not explained how a bullet striking at T1, i.e., slightly below the throat wound and entering at an upward angle, could have traveled downward through the neck unless JFK had been leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.

As has been explained to you numerous times, the bullet did not enter JFK's back on an upward angle. That would have required a shot fired from below the entry wound, which is ludicrous. The bullet entered JFK's sloping upper back below perpendicular to the surface of his back but still on a downward trajectory. It's a simple concept which is why it is puzzling that you have so much trouble grasping it.
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The OP of this thread includes a link to a page that shows Dr. Baden demonstrating for the 1988 NOVA JFKA documentary just how far forward JFK would have had to be leaning to make the T1 trajectory align with the sixth-floor window. Baden even demonstrated the bullet's upward trajectory through the neck with a wooden pointer stick. The problem, of course, is that no photo or frame shows JFK leaning markedly forward during the timeframes of the various versions of the SBT.

It wasn't the lean of JFK's torso that produced the angle of entry, it was the slope of his back which created an obtuse angle to the flight of the bullet.
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You see, for years WC apologists have trumpeted the fact that the HSCA FPP majority endorsed the SBT. They've endlessly pointed out that the majority consisted of "eight eminent forensic pathologists" (vs. only one dissenter, Dr. Wecht) and that these experts "studied the medical evidence for two years."

But, as we see from their replies in this thread, WC apologists have been trumpeting the FPP's SBT endorsement without realizing that the FPP's SBT destroys the SBT.

That's an illogical assessment.
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They obviously did not realize (or perhaps in some cases hoped nobody knew) that the FPP moved the back wound at least 2.5 inches downward from where Humes fraudulently placed it in CE 385, that the FPP acknowledged that the back wound was below the throat wound, that the FPP acknowledged that the bullet hit the back at an upward angle, and that the FPP acknowledged that the only way to make the trajectory align with the sixth-floor window is to assume JFK was leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.

We have a photo of the back wound and comparing that photo to the profile view of JFK on the autopsy table, it is quite easy to see with the naked eye that the entry wound on JFK's back is well above the exit wound in JFK's throat. That's without taking into account the 3 degree slope of Elm St.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:36:34 PM »
It should be noted this was an ABC7 locally produced documentary and not a product of the network's ABC News division. On the 40th anniversary of the assassination, ABC News presented a documentary hosted by the late Peter Jennings which fully supported the conclusions of the WC.

This is a diversionary tactic by MTG, one he resorts to when presented with critical questioning for which he would rather not answer. Rather than confronting the questions, he resorts to changing the subject. We've seen this movie before.
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yeah, jarrett, i watched “melania “ and thought she knew a lot more than she was letting on, no question about it.
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Watched The assassination and Mrs. Paine and now think she knew a lot more than she left on, but any secrets she took to the grave.
What is in that movie that for you indicates this? She knew a lot more about what? You watch a, for me, slanted (to be fair: not completely one-sided) movie and from that and that alone - nothing else - come to this conclusion?

It's been over 60 years since the assassination. Millions of pages of documents have been released and examined, multiple investigations by the government and the media conducted. I am not aware of a *single* item, a single person, a single document, that indicates she was anything more than a pacifist Quaker housewife with two small children.

What evidence could be presented to convince you that's all she was?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:41:39 PM »
The San Francisco ABC7 News documentary is a good example of the fact that local ABC, NBC, and CBS news stations often produce quality JFKA documentaries or news segments, even though their parent national/corporate-level channels usually do not. You can find many informative locally produced ABC/NBC/CBS JFKA reports on YouTube. You can also find such reports by non-legacy news outlets on YouTube. Here are some examples:

Why the "Single Bullet Theory" in JFK Assassination Is Impossible
Produced by the 3TV/CBS 5 CBS affiliate station in Arizona. An excellent 5-minute report on Knott Laboratory's historic 2023 SBT trajectory analysis, the most sophisticated and data-rich study ever done on the subject, that proved the SBT is impossible.

New Name Emerges in JFK Assassination Investigation
Produced by ABC 7 Chicago. An informative segment on new information from released JFKA files.

New Findings on JFK Assassination
Produced by WGN 9 Chicago. Another excellent news segment on Knott Laboratory's historic 2023 SBT trajectory analysis.

Ex-Govt Employee Tells Congress JFK X-Rays 'Actually Reveal A Total Of 3 Headshots,' Records Missing
Produced by Forbes Breaking News. A superb 11-minute report on Doug Horne's testimony to the Luna Committee.

“The CIA Lied To Congress” - Anna Paulina Luna DISMANTLES JFK Assassination OFFICIAL Narrative

Produced by Valuetainment for its PBD Podcast. An extensive interview with Congresswoman Anna Paulina on what she's learned from the hearings her committee has held on the JFK assassination.

'Two different trajectories': Lab Does Forensic Study on JFK assassination
Produced by News Nation, a new cable TV news network that started just six years ago. Another good segment on Knott Laboratory's historic 2023 SBT trajectory analysis.

JFK Assassination 50th Anniversary: Interview with Robert McClelland, MD- Part 1
Produced by PRS Journal. An interesting interview with Dr. Robert McClelland, one of the Parkland doctors who described JFK's large head wound as a right occipital-parietal wound.

James Tague Interview - JFK 50th Anniversary
Produced by NBC 5 Dallas. A report with segments of an interview with James Tague; the report points out the contradiction between the FBI's official version of the shooting and the WC's version and how news of Tague's wounding played a major role in forcing the WC to reject the FBI's version of the shooting.
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Not surprisingly, WC apologists continue to assume their alleged magic bullet was tumbling through Connally's chest after supposedly hitting his back while traveling sideways or while markedly tumbling.

In one of the HSCA's wound-ballistics test, two types of bullets were fired into 12-inch blocks of ballistics gelatin: a 6.5 mm FMJ missile (Oswald's alleged ammo), a .30 caliber FMJ bullet. and a .223 M-16/AR-15 frangible bullet. Side-view photos showed that the 6.5 mm and .30 caliber FMJ bullets punched straight, relatively narrow channels through the gelatin, contradicting the theory that the Connally chest bullet was yawing when it passed through the governor's torso (see JFK Exhibit F-116 in 1 HSCA 392).

Dr. Shaw, Connally's chest surgeon, noted that the bullet created a small tunneling wound and shattered the rib while doing only minor damage to the muscles beside it. He reported that the bullet created a "small tunneling wound" (7 HSCA 149), and he noted "the neat way in which it stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it" (4 H 116).

In addition, the fact that the entry wound in Connally's back was only 1.5 x 0.8 cm rules out a sideways-striking bullet, or even a markedly tumbling bullet. The wound's dimensions simply show that Connally was turning when the bullet struck, just as he said he was. Stewart Fillmore, a retired FBI agent who has conducted SBT wound-ballistics tests, has noted this point in another thread in this forum:

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However, Connally said consistently until the day he died that he was turning as he was hit. I know from many firearms training sessions in the FBI using turning targets that a stable bullet striking a rotating target will leave an elongated entry.  So I did tests on the range shooting into the Connally target while it was rotated from its right to left. The results were an elongated entry approximately 1.5 cm wide. (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5189.msg185514.html#msg185514)

I would point out that WC apologists here still have not explained how a bullet striking at T1, i.e., slightly below the throat wound and entering at an upward angle, could have traveled downward through the neck unless JFK had been leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.

The OP of this thread includes a link to a page that shows Dr. Baden demonstrating for the 1988 NOVA JFKA documentary just how far forward JFK would have had to be leaning to make the T1 trajectory align with the sixth-floor window. Baden even demonstrated the bullet's upward trajectory through the neck with a wooden pointer stick. The problem, of course, is that no photo or frame shows JFK leaning markedly forward during the timeframes of the various versions of the SBT.

You see, for years WC apologists have trumpeted the fact that the HSCA FPP majority endorsed the SBT. They've endlessly pointed out that the majority consisted of "eight eminent forensic pathologists" (vs. only one dissenter, Dr. Wecht) and that these experts "studied the medical evidence for two years."

But, as we see from their replies in this thread, WC apologists have been trumpeting the FPP's SBT endorsement without realizing that the FPP's SBT destroys the SBT. They obviously did not realize (or perhaps in some cases hoped nobody knew) that the FPP moved the back wound at least 2.5 inches downward from where Humes fraudulently placed it in CE 385, that the FPP acknowledged that the back wound was below the throat wound, that the FPP acknowledged that the bullet hit the back at an upward angle, and that the FPP acknowledged that the only way to make the trajectory align with the sixth-floor window is to assume JFK was leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.
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Another amateurish blunder. Umm, the distance is definitely relevant because it affects the velocity at which the bullet strikes the object. The longer the bullet has to travel through air, the more its velocity will be reduced.

Plus, as the scientists who conducted the test explained, the very short distance meant the bullet did not have time to stabilize its flight: "We hypothesized that this was the result of a short shooting distance that did not allow the bullet to stabilize properly."

When are you going to back up your spurious claim that WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullets behave differently than all other FMJ bullets? Where do you get that piece of fiction? Can you cite a single forensic source that even implies this?

I don't have anything to back up. You are the one claiming how a FMJ Carcano will behave after striking a skull. The burden is on you to establish that. I know of only one case study in which a FMJ Carcano bullet did strike a skull and that was the JFKA. It is a one of one case study. We have a badly fragmented FMJ Carcano bullet, the only one recovered from the limo following the devastating headshot. That bullet shows what can happen when such a bullet strikes a skull. Would every FMJ Carcano bullet fragment in that manner when striking a skull? Who knows? We have a very limited sample size. We have just one case to study.
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Why do you suppose Dr. DiMaio did not specify that his statements about the behavior of FMJ bullets did not apply to WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullets? Obviously, because those FMJ bullets behave like all other FMJ bullets.

You constantly just make up nonsense that you want to believe and then pretend that it explains facts that refute your theory.

As I understand it, DiMaio's book was a textbook speaking of ballistics in general, not the JFKA. If that is the case, there would be no reason for him to address how the Carcano bullet might behave when striking a skull. Since you apparently have that book, you should be able to tell us whether DiMaio even addressed the behavior of the fragmented Carcano bullet found in the limo.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:23:04 PM »

I should add that as a SIGINT technician, I actually used signals-interception and direction-finding equipment and actually performed signals interception and signals geolocation.

And, as I've also mentioned, for about three years I worked as a technical editor for a Navy command that dealt with air and missile defense, and in that capacity I edited manuals that included sections on signals detection and direction-finding equipment.

However, I once again repeat that I do not claim to be an acoustical scientist. My acoustics training and experience were far below the training and experience of an acoustical scientist. But, I do know a lot more about acoustical science than your average Joe.

WOW!!! All that training and knowledge yet apparently you were never trained in the application of basic common sense which is why your analysis of all things related to the JFKA is so FUBAR.
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MG: I should add that by "very short distance," I mean very short, like 5 meters (15 feet).

In a ballistics test done in 2023 and published in the July 2023 issue of the International Journal of Legal Medicine, three bullets were fired into blocks of 10% ballistics gelatin from a distance of just 5 meters (15 feet). The bullets were fired from a Tikka M65 Sporter rifle, a high-velocity weapon (2700-2900 fps). The bullet were a full metal-jacketed Norma Jaktmatch bullet, a full-copper Norma Ecostrike bullet, and a soft-point Norma Oryx bullet.

Predictably, the soft-point (i.e., frangible) bullet left behind over three times more fragments than the FMJ bullet did, and the frangible bullet fragments were more than three times smaller than the FMJ bullet fragments.  Also, the frangible bullet's "fragment cloud" was more than two times larger than the FMJ bullet's fragment cloud. In addition, the FMJ bullet did not begin to fragment until it traveled 21.3 cm (8.3 inches) into the gelatin block, whereas the frangible bullet began to fragment virtually upon impact, fragmenting just 0.3 cm (0.1 inch or 1/10th of an inch) after it entered the gelatin block.


The distance is irrelevant. What matters is the velocity a bullet strikes the object at.

Another amateurish blunder. Umm, the distance is definitely relevant because it affects the velocity at which the bullet strikes the object. The longer the bullet has to travel through air, the more its velocity will be reduced.

Plus, as the scientists who conducted the test explained, the very short distance meant the bullet did not have time to stabilize its flight: "We hypothesized that this was the result of a short shooting distance that did not allow the bullet to stabilize properly."

When are you going to back up your spurious claim that WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullets behave differently than all other FMJ bullets? Where do you get that piece of fiction? Can you cite a single forensic source that even implies this?

Why do you suppose Dr. DiMaio did not specify that his statements about the behavior of FMJ bullets did not apply to WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullets? Obviously, because those FMJ bullets behave like all other FMJ bullets.

You constantly just make up nonsense that you want to believe and then pretend that it explains facts that refute your theory.
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