JFK Assassination Forum

For SA Hickey to possibly "not remember", he would 1st have to be asked what he was doing leaning over the side of the Queen Mary. The asking of this question never happened. How about Lovelady and Shelley, working right there inside the TSBD being asked questions by the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers? Again, never happened.  The JFK Assassination research community simply fell flat on their face.

Dear Comrade Storing,

But they were right that it was an evil, evil, evil "Deep State Conspiracy"!!!

-- Tom

I've always been disgusted with the SS's actions and non actions on Elm Street.  As to the specific question asked, JFK was dead when Hill stepped off the running board on the follow up car.  So, my answer is "some time between Z-313 and now."

   The "SS actions" are even more egregious with the elapsed firing time for all 3 shots now being extended to 11+ seconds. This means the POTUS was under active gun fire for 11+ seconds and the SS did absolutely nothing to defend him. 11+ seconds is a long time.

TG-

I think any connections between events on the ground 11/22 in Dallas, and "higher-ups" are entirely speculative.

This is proven by the fact that various intelligent individuals have spun entirely antipodal narratives on the JFKA, from CIA to KGB, to Mafia, to LBJ, to G-2, to Mossad (well, lesser intelligence in the case of Mossad) and even Mormon church elders.

The more years that go by, without any evidence of such higher-up connections being revealed, either by participants, confessions, or documents...makes the speculation all the more iffy.

Sure, various US intel agencies were tracking LHO, as a known defector and active Marxist.

JFKACT's that include dozens upon dozens of witting participants, across many agencies and organizations (DPD, Secret Service, FBI, CIA, various military officials, Mafia, Navy autopsists) are even less compelling.

In contrast, a very small plot, informal, and without documentation or official knowledge, would be difficult to detect, especially as Ruby shot LHO dead. Only LHO could have described what he was involved in.

The Ruby shooting act is suspicious, I grant that. Maybe Ruby was impulsive, or maybe some Alpha-66 guys (who were often involved in drug deals with the Mob) arranged for the hit. The Ruby hit on LHO is strange.

Caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions.

TG-

You are much more deeply grounded in this topic than I.

You tell me.

I suspect LHO had two confederates on 11/22. Parties unknown, and that was the whole plot.

If G-2/KGB was involved, I don't understand the motives of Obyedkov or Fedora or Leonov.

If Alpha 66 was involved, I still don't understand their motives.

Sometimes spooks act to create confusion for the sake of confusion, as even confusion eats up adversary resources.

Given that the Kennedy Administration was trying to assassinate Castro even into November 1963...G-2 vengeance may have been a motive.

How difficult would it have been for an Old Guard JFK Assassination Researcher to ask SA Hickey about his "lean over"?

Dear Comrade Storing,

I was thinking the same thing.

But the problem is, Hickey may not have remembered doing it even if prompted and shown the frames in which he's leaning over and/or tilting his head down and looking at the pavement in Z-150, Z-151, Z-152, Z-153, Z-154, Z-155, Z-156, Z-157, Z-158, Z-159, Z-160, Z-161, Z-162, Z-163, Z-164, Z-165, Z-166, Z-167, Z-168 and Z-169.

In other words, at the very same time that two other Secret Service agents in the follow-up car are consciously reacting to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," and at the same time that five passengers (including JFK) in the limo are consciously reacting to it, and Rosemary Willis (who started looking back towards the TSBD at least by Z-145) is . . . yep . . . looking back towards the TSBD.

The Old Guard was more concerned with writing $$ making books and monthly publications. This is why we see the elapsed time for the 3 shots now being extended to 11+ seconds.

Have Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce made money from their (correct) analysis of the conscious reactions of those seven prime witnesses to the sounds of a missing-everything shot at "Z-124" (which means the shooting lasted for 10.2 seconds)?

https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf

Also explains why I have discovered the "Getaway" car.

Yes, one can only wonder which worker in that area, having to go to a dental appointment or some-such thing and not being aware of the motorcade, ended up having to temporarily abandon their car there. 

-- Tom