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In one of the HSCA's wound-ballistics test, two types of bullets were fired into 12-inch blocks of ballistics gelatin: a 6.5 mm FMJ missile (Oswald's alleged ammo), a .30 caliber FMJ bullet. and a .223 M-16/AR-15 frangible bullet. Side-view photos showed that the 6.5 mm and .30 caliber FMJ bullets punched straight, relatively narrow channels through the gelatin, contradicting the theory that the Connally chest bullet was yawing when it passed through the governor's torso (see JFK Exhibit F-116 in 1 HSCA 392).

Could someone explain that one to me? I don't understand it at all.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 08:57:10 PM »
The fact remains that eyewitnesses get things wrong and innocent people have gone to jail because juries accepted eyewitness accounts with no corroboration.
I challenge you to find a single case in which the witnesses all independently reported observing a simple fact and all were shown to have been wrong.

Note: Eyewitness identification is not an observation of fact but is really an opinion that the person at the scene, whom they did not know or recognize at the time, was the same person in a lineup or photo they were presented with later.
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I don't have anything to back up. You are the one claiming how a FMJ Carcano will behave after striking a skull. The burden is on you to establish that. I know of only one case study in which a FMJ Carcano bullet did strike a skull and that was the JFKA. It is a one of one case study. We have a badly fragmented FMJ Carcano bullet, the only one recovered from the limo following the devastating headshot. That bullet shows what can happen when such a bullet strikes a skull. Would every FMJ Carcano bullet fragment in that manner when striking a skull? Who knows? We have a very limited sample size. We have just one case to study.
As I understand it, DiMaio's book was a textbook speaking of ballistics in general, not the JFKA. If that is the case, there would be no reason for him to address how the Carcano bullet might behave when striking a skull. Since you apparently have that book, you should be able to tell us whether DiMaio even addressed the behavior of the fragmented Carcano bullet found in the limo.

This is yet another one of your dishonest juvenile dodges in which you once again hilariously dismiss the science of wound-ballistics testing. Obviously, you don't have a shred of evidence to back up your grasping fiction that WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullets behave differently than other FMJ bullets, because then, among other things, you'd have to explain why the FMJ bullets in the Failure Analysis test did not even fragment after penetrating skull bone.

DiMaio was talking about the behavior of all FMJ bullets, period. DiMaio certainly would have said something if the millions of 6.5 mm FMJ bullets manufactured by the Western Cartridge Company behaved differently than other FMJ bullets, especially since tens of thousands of those bullets were still being used when he wrote the first and second editions of his book (first edition in 1985, second in 1999).

BTW, WCC produced 4 million 6.5 mm FMJ bullets in 1954 alone.

You keep making false statements about the number of headshot wound-ballistics tests that have used WCC 6.5 mm FMJ ammo: the WC's test, Lattimer's test, and DeSalles' test, all of which failed to duplicate the behavior of the ammo that hit JFK's head. Are you ever going to explain why the x-rays of the test skulls in the WC's test show bullet fragmentation that looks nothing like that seen in the JFK autopsy skull x-rays, both in the number of fragments and in their distribution patterns?

And let me just remind you, again, that your side's leading wound-ballistics experts, Dr. Larry Sturdivan, has admitted that the bullets that Oswald allegedly used would never, ever have deposited a fragment from their cross-section on the outer table of a skull at or near the entry point.

Finally, I notice you said nothing about your gaffe that the distance a bullet travels is irrelevant to how it performs. This is so typical of you: you make a blundering, idiotic claim and then you either refuse to acknowledge your blunder when it is pointed out to you or you blame the blunder on some faulty source that you should have known better than to consult in the first place.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gerry Patrick Hemming
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 08:22:35 PM »
Stick his name with Burnham and/or Weberman Nodule 13 and you have got a sure winner in the daily double +

lol

also, ‘the passing of Gerry hemming’ at EF is a hoot, too ,
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This crud goes on the Education Forum too.

You mean Posner's research? I've never seen Posner post on the EF. If you're talking about the fact that some people cite/quote his research, I agree it's lamentable, but it's not surprising, since Posner's book was a best seller and since he is widely recognized -- however unjustifiably -- as a JFKA scholar. 

As bad as Posner's JFKA research is, there are a number of WC apologists here whose arguments are so atrocious and comical that they make Posner look like the paragon of accuracy and objectivity.

Posner cited my Prayer Man posts but then referred to me as "a researcher" while putting me on mute for posting on his Facebook page....

The fact that you peddle 9/11 Truther craziness and that you claim Israeli intelligence played a role in JFK's death means you should feel fortunate that any reputable forums allow you to post on the JFKA.

If I were running a JFKA forum, I would not ban you, but I would restrict you to a special subforum for 9/11 Truthers who also post replies about the JFKA.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 06:36:56 PM »
It should be noted this was an ABC7 locally produced documentary and not a product of the network's ABC News division. On the 40th anniversary of the assassination, ABC News presented a documentary hosted by the late Peter Jennings which fully supported the conclusions of the WC

You actually do suffer from a reading-comprehension problem, don't you? Let me just repeat what I said about the ABC7 documentary:

In December 2021, ABC7 News in San Francisco aired an outstanding documentary on the JFK assassination titled JFK Unsolved: The Real Conspiracies that includes valuable segments on the acoustical evidence. The documentary was written and produced by Emmy Award-winning investigative journalist Dan Noyes, who works for ABC7 News.

The San Francisco ABC7 News documentary is a good example of the fact that local ABC, NBC, and CBS news stations often produce quality JFKA documentaries or news segments, even though their parent national/corporate-level channels usually do not. You can find many informative locally produced ABC/NBC/CBS JFKA reports on YouTube. You can also find such reports by non-legacy news outlets on YouTube.


Your replies are just a never-ending, and embarrassing, comedy show. Objective people will read your replies and realize they show you are poorly educated, have a juvenile mentality, and lack integrity.
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It pains me to see the punk hoaxer researcher Bart Kamp referred to as "Of Standing"...


These people ridicule you on their podcasts and then when you ask for equal airtime to defend yourself threaten you with legal action just for asking...
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"Curtin believes that "all" of the mainstream media—CBS, ABC, The Washington Post, etc.—"speak for the Central Intelligence Agency."

I've had this exchange with conspiracists numerous times over the years with them squawking in unison "Operation Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird..." and claiming that "the CIA" and their assets - people like Priscilla Johnson and Max Holland - and the mainstream media have covered up what really happened. Yes, multiple generations of reporters and editors and others for these news organizations, for the Post, the NY Times, for the networks, for some inexplicable reason have covered up for the CIA's murder of JFK. The bizarre Jim DiEugenio claims Walter Cronkite is/was among these journalistic conspirators. Yes, Cronkite.

This is, of course, the same set of news organizations that exposed the CIA's abuses, the "Family Jewels." And the FBI's abuses. Watergate, the lies of Vietnam and assorted other abuses all revealed by this same media that "speaks" for the CIA. If they "speak for the CIA" then why did the CIA allow them to reveal these abuses? Does the CIA control them or not?

As to this point: "[Good's] search for JFK knowledge gives him the perfect excuse for a sequel (or a series of them) just as it has provided Morley with a reason to pen five books related to the subject. Because conspiracies, which are really just historical mysteries, sell."

I was thinking of Morley when I came across this passage by Thomas Mallon in "Mrs. Paine's Garage."

"Most posters [on internet sites] do not want the case 'solved.' Their goal is to sustain the imagined mystery's eternal life....They light, not a prairie fire [that clears everything away] but a sort of burning circus hoop through which the same gaudy villains and dupes are coaxed to jump again and again."

"Sustain the imagined mystery's eternal life..." That is the perfect description of what Morley is doing. And others.

A great thread with great posts & links, methinks !
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There's nothing stopping Kamp from posting here...

He doesn't do it because he can't defend his BS with censorship here like he does everywhere else...

      Steve Barber and Alex Harris/"The JFK Theorist" grace this forum with their JFK Assassination opinions from time-to-time. Other than that, anyone else of standing in the JFK Assassination Research Community that has posted here was immediately dog piled. And this dates all the way back to Gary Mack. 
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WC apologists here have done nothing but offer downright silly, strained, and unreasonable nitpicking and vacuous assumptions in attacking Dr. Young's account. They would never offer such unserious, implausible arguments if we were talking about a witness account that supported the lone-gunman theory.

The main problem is that this is another do-or-die issue for WC believers. They will not admit that a bullet was found in the limo and given to Dr. Young in an envelope at the autopsy because such an admission would destroy their version of the shooting. Rather than admit that Dr. Young's account is entirely credible and strongly corroborated, they must resort to the kind of discrediting nitpicking, evasion, and speculation that we've seen them present herein.

It is telling that the only person who believed a whole bullet was found in the limo was Dr. Young, someone who wasn't even present during the search of the limo. The people who were their said they found bone and bullet fragments. None of those people said a whole bullet was found. There is no corroboration for Young's belief that a whole bullet was found in the limo during the Secret Service search from anyone who was actually there.
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