JFK Assassination Forum

I don't believe anything Oswald said and nothing he said is the basis of my firm conviction that he was a double murderer.

Hi Steve.

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Grodens an honest guy doing his best in a complex case. Cut him some slack. At least he's out there trying to make things happen all these years.

MT:

Thanks for your comments.

It could be hubris, or more gently, an informed but incorrect opinion on Cyril Wecht's part.

Wecht has credentials on this topic far exceeding mine, so I am loath to contradict Wecht. I lean to Wecht's explanation.

My layman's opinion is Gov JBC could not have held his right-hand grip on the Stetson after being shot through the dorsal side of the right wrist by the large and heavy slug, issued from an M-C.

The M-C, and related Western Cartridge ammo, is right on the borderline of what is considered a high-powered rifle (or carbine if you want to get technical).

The average muzzle velocity of the Western Cartridge Company (WCC) 6.5×52mm Carcano ammunition (CE-399) fired from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was approximately 2,165 feet per second (fps).

The slug might have slowed down by the time it struck JBC's wrist, if we assume it passed through JBC's chest first.

Curiously, the WC held that the Western Cartridge slug "tumbled" inside of JBC's wrist, causing even more damage than if it had tunneled through. Ouch!

Like I said, I am just a layman, but...really? JBC held onto the Stetson even after CE-399 "tumbled" through his wrist?

Another side question: After the Western Cartridge slug passed through JBC's wrist, then it burrowed into JBC left thigh, by the WC account.

After that, the slug from the thigh should have been retrieved by a nurse or attendant, and put into an envelope. All hospitals, even then, saved bullets as standard procedure, and all gunshots had to be reported to local police, for good and obvious reasons.

I would expect that in such a high-profile murder and attempted murder case, the slug from JBC's thigh would, of course, be placed into an envelope and marked by a nurse or attendant as such. This is really basic. I cannot imagine these procedures were not followed.

Yet the WC holds that CE-399 was found several floors below the JBC operating room, either on the floor, or near or underneath a gurney, near an elevator, by Parkland employee Darryl Tomlinson.

Huh?

That has always struck me as curious. I will probably post on this soon.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

BC: It could be hubris, or more gently, an informed but incorrect opinion on Cyril Wecht's part. Wecht has credentials on this topic far exceeding mine, so I am loath to contradict Wecht. I lean to Wecht's explanation.

Other experienced MEs (Baden, Loqvam, Spitz, et al) don't have a problem with Connaly continuing to hold his hat. Artwohl, an MD if not an ME, was also okay with it. In the realm of medical experts who pay attention to the issue, Wecht is in a small minority here. It may even be a minority of one.


Curiously, the WC held that the Western Cartridge slug "tumbled" inside of JBC's wrist, causing even more damage than if it had tunneled through. Ouch!

Something like that. The WC maintained, after Gregory, that the bullet was traveling backwards when it struck Connally's wrist. The presence of a small metallic fragment just below the surface of the thigh wound indicated to them that the bullet was still travelling backwards when it his the thigh. The bullet must have begun tumbling before it hit the wrist in order for it to impact butt-first, but it doesn't seem to have tumbled too much while travelling through the wrist and into the thigh. All of that being said, would it really have made a difference?


[BC] After that, the slug from the thigh should have been retrieved by a nurse or attendant, and put into an envelope. All hospitals, even then, saved bullets as standard procedure, and all gunshots had to be reported to local police, for good and obvious reasons. I would expect that in such a high-profile murder and attempted murder case, the slug from JBC's thigh would, of course, be placed into an envelope and marked by a nurse or attendant as such. This is really basic. I cannot imagine these procedures were not followed.

Oh boy, would that have been helpful, now wouldn't it!?

CE399 was picked up by a SS agent stationed in the hallway near the elevators after being ratted out by Tomlinson. There was then a short comedic interlude whereby the SS agent, Parkland security director OP Wright, and a couple of FBI men argued over  who should have jurisdiction over the bullet. Presumably, the SS guy though he was being clever when he chose "rock", while Wright and the FBI guys were more experienced at this and all chose "paper," Leaving the Secret Service in possession of the little copper-coated t*rducken.

BTW, there is one coincidence involving CE399 that I find provocative, and have never seen discussed. Many skeptics say that CE399 was found not on Connally's stretcher, but on a different stretcher that carried a young boy named Ronnie Fuller back to minor surgery to have a nasty cut sewn up. This stretcher was piloted through the Parkland ER suite by a nurse's aide named Rosa Majors. But that's not the only role she played that day. Before Fuller needed help, Majors was in Trauma Room 2 while the medical staff was assessing Connally's wounds.  Her job there was to take possession of Connally's clothing, removing and collecting Connally's personal effects therefrom. That would have put her in prime contention of finding a bullet that had fallen from the wound in Connally's thigh. And if CE399 was indeed found on Fuller's stretcher, and was deliberately placed on it, then she becomes a prime suspect in placing there.

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