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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Donald Trump is a real piece of Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh
« Last post by Richard Smith on Yesterday at 09:34:51 PM »It was funds that belonged to Iran and were frozen in foreign banks due to international sanctions.
Iran followed the rules of the 2015 agreement. Regular inspections provided proof of no nuclear arms program.
Turn OFF Fox News.
Even liberal icon Chuck Schumer opposed Obama's "deal."
"Even more importantly, the agreement would allow Iran, after ten to fifteen years, to be a nuclear threshold state with the blessing of the world community. Iran would have a green light to be as close, if not closer to possessing a nuclear weapon than it is today. And the ability to thwart Iran if it is intent on becoming a nuclear power would have less moral and economic force."
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Forgotten Rifle Test: The HSCA's Rifle Test
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:58:44 PM »@MTG: the older experimental shooting using the 30ft tower and stationary targets seems to suggest it was no easy feat what the TSBD shooter achieved ( if he is the only shooter)with a hit at Z312.
However a few of the CBS time trial shooters managed to score 2 hits ( albeit not head) in less than 6 secs. And ONE of them ( the old engineer) seems to have scored 3 hits in 5.1 secs according to the video narrator.
The CBS test shooting was boneheaded in that they only allowed the shooters 5.6 seconds to fire three shots, an unreasonable constraint. The WC did allow for that possibility but that was no its conclusion.
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However…
IDK if they really did score hits on the target or not because there was no zoomed in camera on the target to show holes appearing nearly simultaneous with the rifle firing.
Also because they used a RED silhouette on a square black ( or dark blue) target that was on a WHITE track, the result is not quite conclusive as those things may have aided the shooters to easier track.
Question: Was the ONE CBS shooter apparently scoring 3 hits in 5.1 seconds (recorded by camera firing an MC rifle and using zeroed functional scope), ever brought before the HSCA and interviewed personally or asked to repeat his shooting feat with an HSCA group of observers in real time ?
Attempts to recreate a shooting using erroneous assumptions are quite silly. The silliest assumption is that Oswald fired 3 shots in 5.6 seconds.
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If not then at best the CBS experiment imo only proves that a person can fire an MC rifle 3 times in less than 6 seconds.
Yes, that's both possible and difficult with a bolt action rifle. Oswald wasn't hampered by that time constraint. He could fire his weapon using whatever timeframe he thought gave him the best chance to score a kill shot on JFK. He killed JFK with his third shot which by my analysis was fired 8.9 seconds (163 frames) after his first shot.
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Is this enough to establish that the TSBD shooter could NOT possibly have fired the MC rifle in less than 7 secs and scored a body hit at Z233 and a head shot at Z312 and in the 1…..2..3 pattern that 75% witness recall?
I'd say it was difficult but not impossible. An additional 3 seconds of time to fire all three shots would make it much more doable. It gives adequate time for aiming the rifle.
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Given Dan O’mearas theory that the 3 shot sequence from a TSBD 6th floor shooter begins with the 1st shot as a hit at Z233 and the 2nd shot then 4.8 secs later at Z312, and then the 3rd shot could have been fired as fast as 2 secs later, if not aimed, then it IS possible to replicate the 1….2..3 pattern in 6.5 seconds.
I have yet to see any theory from Dan O'Meara that makes any sense.
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If this assassination was a pre planned shooting to be performed by an expert solitary shooter , then choosing Dealey Plaza as arena , the TSBD 6th floor as the platform, and a moving target situation , is NOT what professional hit man ( or team) would likely do. It’s introducing too many variables.
It was selected because it was the opportunity that was presented to Oswald. It was a crime of opportunity. Had the motorcade not been routed past his workplace, I doubt Oswald would have even attempted the assassination. Since he didn't drive, moving around Dallas with a rifle would have been problematic although he did manage to get to Walker's house and back home with the rifle so I won't say he couldn't have tried. The routing of the motorcade made it much easier for him.
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The simple more easy way with less variables would be to select an arena where JFK is standing on a podium giving a speech. And elevation of the shooter nearly at same elevation as the podium. A single FMJ 6.5 or 7.62 bullet laced with cyanide fired at only about 1200 ft /sec velocity ( subsonic ammo) with rifle with a suppressor , would not have been heard at all.
One shot one kill, no rifle left behind , shooter has easier escape.
Such an opportunity presented itself that morning in front of the Ft. Worth hotel. Had plotters selected the shooting location, that would have been a much better one. Oswald didn't select his shooting location. It was dealt to him.
A professional assassin wouldn't have needed a cyanide bullet for one shot, one kill. He would also likely leave behind an untraceable rifle rather than try to flee with it.
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So if a conspiracy why did the shooter ( or2) choose Dealey Plaza and the TSBD 6th floor ?
Good questions. I have yet to see good answers for them.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:38:22 PM »This thread has convinced me at least that it is not only just possible but reasonably probable that an MC rifle could have been fired 3 times in less than 7 seconds and that JFK and JC were hit at Z233 and JFK was hit at Z313 AND the shots could be in the pattern of 1…..2.3 as per 75% witness recall.
The 1st shot as a hit at Z233 fits much closer than either the Z190 1st shot idea by Andrew Mason or the LN 1st shot which missed theory at Z-140 or earlier.
How do you explain the simultaneous upward arm movements by JFK and JBC at Z226?
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The criticisms of a Z223 1st shot seem to be:
A The shooter would not have waited until Z224 to try a 1st shot
Do you think that was the first shot. [/quote]
B. SS agent Hickey moving at Z143 is indication he heard a rifle preceding Z233. [/quote]
There are lots of reasons Hickey could have been moving, a gunshot being just one of them.
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C. The shooter having scored the head shot at Z312 would not have fired a 3rd shot 2 secs after Z312.
Oswald had chambered his last round but chose not to fire it, probably for the reason stated.
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D. The Willis girl stopped running completely by Z200 therefore a shot must have been fired before Z223.
Since she was running on grass which might have still been damp from the morning rain, it would have been difficult for her to make a sudden stop. She began slowing down a split second after JBC started turning his head to the right. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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IMO, these criticisms are not well supported and presume that the reactions of the Willis girl and SS agent Hickey were due to the sound of a rifle shot vs some other stimulus.
My own belief is Willis' slow down was a reaction to a gunshot and Hickey's movement preceded the first shot.
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So Imo Dan has presented a logical and plausible 3 shot scenario which fits with witness perception of last 2 shots fired rapidly and all 3 shots in as little as 6 secs. This fits closer with Harold Norman’s 4-5 sec recollection than any other proposal offered by LNs imo. It explains lack of awareness of SS agents prior to Z207.
I don't trust any witness' estimate of the elapsed time or the spacing of the shots that can't be corroborated. The event caught everyone by surprise and there were competing noises, the roar of the motorcycles and the cheers of the crowd. Lots of theories can be supported depending on which witnesses one chooses to believe, but the assassination only happened one way which means a lot of witnesses had to get some important details wrong. All but one. That witness is Zapruder's camera.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 07:56:57 PM »This thread has convinced me at least that it is not only just possible but reasonably probable that an MC rifle could have been fired 3 times in less than 7 seconds and that JFK and JC were hit at Z233 and JFK was hit at Z313 AND the shots could be in the pattern of 1…..2.3 as per 75% witness recall.
The 1st shot as a hit at Z233 fits much closer than either the Z190 1st shot idea by Andrew Mason or the LN 1st shot which missed theory at Z-140 or earlier.
The criticisms of a Z223 1st shot seem to be:
A The shooter would not have waited until Z224 to try a 1st shot
B. SS agent Hickey moving at Z143 is indication he heard a rifle preceding Z233.
C. The shooter having scored the head shot at Z312 would not have fired a 3rd shot 2 secs after Z312.
D. The Willis girl stopped running completely by Z200 therefore a shot must have been fired before Z223.
IMO, these criticisms are not well supported and presume that the reactions of the Willis girl and SS agent Hickey were due to the sound of a rifle shot vs some other stimulus.
So Imo Dan has presented a logical and plausible 3 shot scenario which fits with witness perception of last 2 shots fired rapidly and all 3 shots in as little as 6 secs. This fits closer with Harold Norman’s 4-5 sec recollection than any other proposal offered by LNs imo. It explains lack of awareness of SS agents prior to Z207.
The 1st shot as a hit at Z233 fits much closer than either the Z190 1st shot idea by Andrew Mason or the LN 1st shot which missed theory at Z-140 or earlier.
The criticisms of a Z223 1st shot seem to be:
A The shooter would not have waited until Z224 to try a 1st shot
B. SS agent Hickey moving at Z143 is indication he heard a rifle preceding Z233.
C. The shooter having scored the head shot at Z312 would not have fired a 3rd shot 2 secs after Z312.
D. The Willis girl stopped running completely by Z200 therefore a shot must have been fired before Z223.
IMO, these criticisms are not well supported and presume that the reactions of the Willis girl and SS agent Hickey were due to the sound of a rifle shot vs some other stimulus.
So Imo Dan has presented a logical and plausible 3 shot scenario which fits with witness perception of last 2 shots fired rapidly and all 3 shots in as little as 6 secs. This fits closer with Harold Norman’s 4-5 sec recollection than any other proposal offered by LNs imo. It explains lack of awareness of SS agents prior to Z207.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Forgotten Rifle Test: The HSCA's Rifle Test
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 07:18:57 PM »@MTG: the older experimental shooting using the 30ft tower and stationary targets seems to suggest it was no easy feat what the TSBD shooter achieved ( if he is the only shooter)with a hit at Z312.
However a few of the CBS time trial shooters managed to score 2 hits ( albeit not head) in less than 6 secs. And ONE of them ( the old engineer) seems to have scored 3 hits in 5.1 secs according to the video narrator.
However…
IDK if they really did score hits on the target or not because there was no zoomed in camera on the target to show holes appearing nearly simultaneous with the rifle firing.
Also because they used a RED silhouette on a square black ( or dark blue) target that was on a WHITE track, the result is not quite conclusive as those things may have aided the shooters to easier track.
Question: Was the ONE CBS shooter apparently scoring 3 hits in 5.1 seconds (recorded by camera firing an MC rifle and using zeroed functional scope), ever brought before the HSCA and interviewed personally or asked to repeat his shooting feat with an HSCA group of observers in real time ?
If not then at best the CBS experiment imo only proves that a person can fire an MC rifle 3 times in less than 6 seconds.
Is this enough to establish that the TSBD shooter could NOT possibly have fired the MC rifle in less than 7 secs and scored a body hit at Z233 and a head shot at Z312 and in the 1…..2..3 pattern that 75% witness recall?
Given Dan O’mearas theory that the 3 shot sequence from a TSBD 6th floor shooter begins with the 1st shot as a hit at Z233 and the 2nd shot then 4.8 secs later at Z312, and then the 3rd shot could have been fired as fast as 2 secs later, if not aimed, then it IS possible to replicate the 1….2..3 pattern in 6.5 seconds.
If this assassination was a pre planned shooting to be performed by an expert solitary shooter , then choosing Dealey Plaza as arena , the TSBD 6th floor as the platform, and a moving target situation , is NOT what professional hit man ( or team) would likely do. It’s introducing too many variables.
The simple more easy way with less variables would be to select an arena where JFK is standing on a podium giving a speech. And elevation of the shooter nearly at same elevation as the podium. A single FMJ 6.5 or 7.62 bullet laced with cyanide fired at only about 1200 ft /sec velocity ( subsonic ammo) with rifle with a suppressor , would not have been heard at all.
One shot one kill, no rifle left behind , shooter has easier escape.
So if a conspiracy why did the shooter ( or2) choose Dealey Plaza and the TSBD 6th floor ?
However a few of the CBS time trial shooters managed to score 2 hits ( albeit not head) in less than 6 secs. And ONE of them ( the old engineer) seems to have scored 3 hits in 5.1 secs according to the video narrator.
However…
IDK if they really did score hits on the target or not because there was no zoomed in camera on the target to show holes appearing nearly simultaneous with the rifle firing.
Also because they used a RED silhouette on a square black ( or dark blue) target that was on a WHITE track, the result is not quite conclusive as those things may have aided the shooters to easier track.
Question: Was the ONE CBS shooter apparently scoring 3 hits in 5.1 seconds (recorded by camera firing an MC rifle and using zeroed functional scope), ever brought before the HSCA and interviewed personally or asked to repeat his shooting feat with an HSCA group of observers in real time ?
If not then at best the CBS experiment imo only proves that a person can fire an MC rifle 3 times in less than 6 seconds.
Is this enough to establish that the TSBD shooter could NOT possibly have fired the MC rifle in less than 7 secs and scored a body hit at Z233 and a head shot at Z312 and in the 1…..2..3 pattern that 75% witness recall?
Given Dan O’mearas theory that the 3 shot sequence from a TSBD 6th floor shooter begins with the 1st shot as a hit at Z233 and the 2nd shot then 4.8 secs later at Z312, and then the 3rd shot could have been fired as fast as 2 secs later, if not aimed, then it IS possible to replicate the 1….2..3 pattern in 6.5 seconds.
If this assassination was a pre planned shooting to be performed by an expert solitary shooter , then choosing Dealey Plaza as arena , the TSBD 6th floor as the platform, and a moving target situation , is NOT what professional hit man ( or team) would likely do. It’s introducing too many variables.
The simple more easy way with less variables would be to select an arena where JFK is standing on a podium giving a speech. And elevation of the shooter nearly at same elevation as the podium. A single FMJ 6.5 or 7.62 bullet laced with cyanide fired at only about 1200 ft /sec velocity ( subsonic ammo) with rifle with a suppressor , would not have been heard at all.
One shot one kill, no rifle left behind , shooter has easier escape.
So if a conspiracy why did the shooter ( or2) choose Dealey Plaza and the TSBD 6th floor ?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: List of the best sources for each home movie i know about
« Last post by Robin Unger on Yesterday at 07:15:16 PM »Well, imagine this, you have a low quality copy of a film, right? that film you have shows something that could prove a conspiracy, but then you acquire the best public copy and find out that copy does not have the earth-shattering stuff your previous low-quality copy had.
Exactly.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: List of the best sources for each home movie i know about
« Last post by Robin Unger on Yesterday at 07:10:11 PM »that’s nice, Matt. my go-to place is Robin Unger’s photo gallery here for the best quality everything. Robin is a class act. Thanks, Robin.
Thanks Mark.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:52:32 PM »I just wanted to clarify a comment I made in an earlier post. I said that the Whigs elected two presidents and had two more ascend to the presidency upon the deaths of the two elected Whig presidents, William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor. That is technically true, but John Tyler, who was the Whig nominee for the vice-presidency in both 1836 and 1840, was a WINO (Whig In Name Only). He had been a Democrat but had a falling out with Andrew Jackson and joined the Whigs. After ascending to the presidency upon the death of Harrison, he had another falling out, this time with the Whig Party early in his presidency and declared himself to be unaffiliated for most of his presidency. In 1844, he reconciled with Jackson over the issue of Texas annexation and endorsed Democrat James Polk for president over Whig Henry Clay.
Amazingly, Tyler who was our tenth president, had a living grandson until May of 2025, Harrison Ruffin Tyler. An older brother had passed away a few years earlier. 60 Minutes did a feature on Harrison Ruffin Tyler earlier in this decade. John Tyler fathered his last son in his sixties and that son fathered Harrison Ruffin Tyler in 1928 when he was 72 years old.
Amazingly, Tyler who was our tenth president, had a living grandson until May of 2025, Harrison Ruffin Tyler. An older brother had passed away a few years earlier. 60 Minutes did a feature on Harrison Ruffin Tyler earlier in this decade. John Tyler fathered his last son in his sixties and that son fathered Harrison Ruffin Tyler in 1928 when he was 72 years old.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Donald Trump is a real piece of Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 05:31:21 PM »Well, if you listen to CNN or MSLSD you think that, but the fact remains Obama gave them 1.7 billion in foreign cash plus lifted sanctions giving them another 50 billion. Sleepy Joe kept the money rolling in.
https://dailyjournal.net/2023/11/24/editorial-biden-keeps-the-billions-flowing-to-iran/
It was funds that belonged to Iran and were frozen in foreign banks due to international sanctions.
Iran followed the rules of the 2015 agreement. Regular inspections provided proof of no nuclear arms program.
Turn OFF Fox News.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:42:28 PM »How do you blame the left?
TN is a Republican supermajority deeply RED state that has a recent track record of botching executions.
If you are going to execute - do it right.
Botched Executions in Tennessee
• October 2026 (Christa Pike): Prison officials halted the execution process after administering the lethal drug pentobarbital, and the inmate was subsequently transferred to a medical facility for care. Following the incident, Governor Bill Lee suspended all scheduled executions to allow for an independent review.
• May 2026 (Tony Carruthers): The execution attempt was halted when personnel were unable to successfully establish the required intravenous lines. The state subsequently granted the inmate a one-year reprieve.
• April 2022 (Oscar Smith): Governor Lee called off the execution shortly before it was scheduled to begin due to a technical oversight. An internal review later revealed that the execution drugs had not undergone testing according to the required state protocols
This is why I said we should abandon lethal injections and go back to more traditional methods of execution: hanging, electric chair, gas chamber, and even firing squads. I don't recall problems with any of these.
About 30 years ago in Columbus, Ohio, a paroled murderer named Alva Campbell who was jailed for a subsequent crime, feigned paralysis and was being transported to a hospital by a single female deputy. He overpowered her and took her gun which he used to carjack an 18 year old kid named Charles Dials who had come to the county building to pay a traffic ticket. After having the kid drive him around for a while, he forced the kid to change clothes with him, then shot him dead. When he was arrested, he bragged about how he had taken the kid's whole life away from him. It took over 20 years before the court's allowed Campbell's execution to take place. By that time, he was terminally ill from cancer. They couldn't even find a usable vein to put the needle in his arm and the execution was called off. Any of the above named methods of execution could have been carried out effectively, but because we insist on "humanely" putting these scumbags to death, Campbell escaped even belated justice. He died a few months later.
Contrast that with the executions of Dick Hickock and Perry Smith, the two infamous In Cold Blood murderers who slaughtered four members of the Clutter family in November of 1959. They were also the prime suspects in the murder of another family of four in Florida while on the run from the Clutter murders. They were sentenced in Kansas to hang and their executions were carried out in April of 1965. Hickock was hanged first and it was 23 minutes between the time the trap door dropped and he was pronounced dead. Smith took 17 minutes to die. A hanging is supposed to dislocate the 3rd and 4th cervical vertebrae and sever the cerebral cortex making death instantaneous. That doesn't always happen and apparently didn't happen with either of these men. Were they conscious during the time they were hanging? Did they suffer? I don't know, but I sure hope so.
When people like this are executed, the number one priority should be that their death is certain. Whether they suffer or not during the process should be at most a minor concern. Does anyone think scum like this cared whether their victims suffered. Maybe Hickock and Perry should have been executed the same manner as their victims, with a shotgun blast to the head at close range.