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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 05:25:54 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Yesterday at 12:57:36 PM
Very hard for me to see how Oswald "knows he's been framed" unless he at least knows his rifle is in the building. That's really the only thing that "frames" him. So how does he know it's in the building - does he think he's brought it for "show and tell" like we used to do in second grade? Unless he knew "Oh, my God, they have framed me as the assassin of JFK!" his actions make no sense. The CT scenarios where the conspirators removed the rifle from the Paine garage and planted it in the TSBD, or Oswald was instructed to shoot and miss as part of a political message of some sort, are just desperate ad hoc efforts. I really can't think of any plausible "framing" scenario.

The CT scenarios where the conspirators removed the rifle from the Paine garage and planted it in the TSBD

What if that particular rifle, or any other rifle at all, wasn't in Ruth Paine's garage at all on 21 November 63?

There is the assumption that it was there, but the reality is that nobody has seen it in the garage for weeks prior to the assassination.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 05:24:06 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:41:44 PM
So now you're an ornithologist. So tell me, Professor.  How long does it take a pigeon to accelerate from 0 to 30 mph?

"Pigeons are incredibly fast, capable of accelerating from a dead stop to 100 km/h (62 mph) in just 2 seconds."

I have confirmed this with three of my cats, who insist life isn't fair.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:41:44 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:34:40 PM
Fightened pigeons move fast and hit 60 mph easily. The time from z148 to z202 is 2.95 sec. Even at 30 mph (44 feet/sec) they would be well over 100 feet away from the TSBD when she turned.

So now you're an ornithologist. So tell me, Professor.  How long does it take a pigeon to accelerate from 0 to 30 mph?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:38:09 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 04:32:27 PM
Herr Corbett,

Being accused of suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a badge of honor; it's like having lived in Germany in 1933 and been against Hitler.

-- Tom

Whenever one puts equates Trump with Hitler, it is a sure sign of advanced TDS.

TDS is like cancer. You have to catch it early or else it's too late.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:34:40 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:59:31 PM
The elapsed time from the shot until Rosemary looked back was less than 3 seconds. I don't think the pigeons would have vanished in that amount of time.
Fightened pigeons move fast and hit 60 mph easily. The time from z148 to z202 is 2.95 sec. Even at 30 mph (44 feet/sec) they would be well over 100 feet away from the TSBD when she turned.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 04:32:27 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:24:55 PM
You seem to have one of the more acute cases of TDS that I've seen.

Herr Corbett,

Being accused of suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a badge of honor; it's like having lived in Germany in 1933 and been against Hitler.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:16:48 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:23:58 PM
   Your acceptance of the CAR NOT being on the Wiegman Film is a Huge 1st Step "Daniel Son". You don't realize it, but You have actually taken 2 Steps. By accepting that the CAR was NOT on the Wiegman Film, You are also accepting that this CAR was in Motion down the Elm St Extension while shot(s) were being fired at JFK. You just had your very own, "Wax On, Wax Off" moment. You are Now on your way. Enjoy the journey.

I have no idea whether the car appears in the Wiegman film or not and I don't really care. I took you at your word that the car doesn't appear in the film but it makes no difference if it does or not. You have presented nothing that even makes me curious about it. Over the past 35 years, I have seen literally hundreds of CT rabbit holes and I have better things to do then go down every one of them. Yours is no exception. Once you've seen one rabbit hole, you've seen them all.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:10:30 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 01:51:43 PM
Thanks for posting.

Yes, who knows about the mysterious cars driving in and out the railroad parking lot, probably nothing.

The important part of this interview, captured on film (~5:55 forward) is Lee Bowers describing the cadence of shots. The "bang....bang-bang" cadence. Bowers knock-knocking on the table is far too rapid for shots from a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle (the M-C). 

Dallas Sheriff Seymour Weitzman also said the second two shot reports were "almost simultaneous," and Secret Service man Kellerman said the shots arrived in a "flurry," while Gov JBC said he thought the shots were fired from an "automatic." Some of these guys were veterans, and other law enforcement officials---people familiar with gunshots.

If the weapon was an automatic, no one would have heard individual shots. Typically full-auto weapons have a rate of fire of 600 rounds a minute or faster. That's 10 rounds a second. People sometimes use the term automatic when referring to semi-autos, which fire just one bullet for every squeeze of the trigger.
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This all lines up with JBC being shot ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313---as it appears on the Z-film.

Absolutely nothing lines up with JBC being shot at Z295. It is preposterous.
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The LNT SBT theories do require some suspensions of disbelief.

If you are referring to Andrew Mason's SBT, I would agree with you.

The WC's SBT requires no such "suspension of belief". It is the result of knowledge of the evidence and sound rational analysis. It is the only explanation of the evidence that meets that criteria.



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:59:31 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 03:12:19 PM
If the shot was just before z150 as you suggest, the pigeons were long gone by z202 when she turned her head. Pigeons are remarkably fast and quick to take flight. See:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/TcgqnqYbIpk

The elapsed time from the shot until Rosemary looked back was less than 3 seconds. I don't think the pigeons would have vanished in that amount of time.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 03:58:20 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:42:04 AM
You've put so many feathers in your cap you have a warbonnet now.

Or feathers in his crap, as the case may be.
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