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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / When Was JFK Hit?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 11:54:07 PM »
JFK's reaction to being shot through the throat could hardly be more obvious in the Z-film.
His hands fly up to his throat, but they do not clutch his throat, instead they are both curled over at the wrists with the index finger of his left hand pointing stiffly. At the same moment his elbows fly up into an incredibly extreme position. His whole body stiffens momentarily before relaxing and slumping towards Jackie.
There are many hallmarks of a neuromuscular aspect to his reaction.
When does this series of reactions begin and what can they tell us about when JFK was actually struck by the bullet?

When trying to assess JFK's reaction to the first hit, emphasis is often put on the position of his right hand as he emerges from behind the Stemmons sign. Many researchers believe it is already showing signs of a reaction. However, this is not necessarily the case:



The above image (z224) shows JFK beginning to emerge from behind the Stemmons sign. His right hand can be seen in a slightly raised position and slightly closed. This position has been interpreted by some as already reaching for his throat. However, during the motorcade JFK was constantly raising and lowering his right hand to wave or brush at his hair, meaning his hand was often in this 'semi-raised' position:



It must also be noted that from z224 to z225, his right hand moves downward, and not towards his throat.
It is his left arm that is key to understanding when he was hit.
The footage below (z169-226) shows JFK's last wave. It starts with his right arm resting on the side of the limo, elbow out, with his right hand reaching back into the limo holding his left hand, which appears to rest on his stomach area, his left elbow down by his side. He releases his left hand as he begins to wave with his right. His left hand stays resting on his stomach area, his left elbow down by his side. His left arm/hand stays in this position as he goes behind the sign and is still in this position as he emerges from it:



When he emerges from behind the Stemmons sign (z225) his left arm is still down by his side but there is a hint of movement. By z226 his left elbow has begun it's radical and extreme movement up to it's fullest extent.

In the clip below (z224-226) we see his left hand still resting on his stomach area, his left elbow down by his side but obscured by the top of the limo door (z224). In the next frame there is a slight movement of his left arm and hand (z225). In the final frame his elbow comes into view from behind the limo door, his hand clearly moving to his throat (z226):



The first hint of a physical sign of JFK reacting to being shot can be seen in z225.
How soon before this had the bullet passed through his body?


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:51:00 PM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Yesterday at 11:45:39 PM
It goes like this:

Walker, Hill, Bentley, Oswald, a priest, a rabbi and a bear enter the Dallas Muncipal Building. Walker, Hill, and Bentley escort Oswald to the DPD offices on the third floor, while the priest, rabbi, and bear leave the Municipal Building and walk into a bar across the street. Once on the third floor, Hill, Bentley, and Walker take Oswald to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau. Hill and Bentley then proceed to the Personnel office, leaving Oswald, Walker, and the wallet in the H&R Bureau suite. Meanwhile, the priest, the rabbi and the bear are at the bar, impatiently waiting for you to finish the joke.

Compared with some of the nonsense I read on this forum, this one seems plausible. It's far more detailed than any conspiracy theory I've read lately.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Understanding the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Cover-Up
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:48:00 PM »
Mafia Kingfish was one of the first conspiracy books I read after diving into the JFKA following the release of Oliver Stone's movie. I don't remember a lot of the details from the book. I just remember being very unimpressed by its arguments. Reading over the Cliff Notes version provided by Lance Payette has brought back some of the details to me and reminded me why I was unimpressed.

Two other conspiracy books I bought were Plausible Denial by Mark Lane and Best evidence by David Lifton. I did learn something from these three books. I learned I should be much more careful about what I spend my money on. I've kept these books on my shelves to remind me of that.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Yesterday at 11:45:39 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 10:20:10 AM
I would have loved to read an explanation how Bentley and Walker could both have a wallet, when in reality there was only one.
It goes like this:

Walker, Hill, Bentley, Oswald, a priest, a rabbi and a bear enter the Dallas Muncipal Building. Walker, Hill, and Bentley escort Oswald to the DPD offices on the third floor, while the priest, rabbi, and bear leave the Municipal Building and walk into a bar across the street. Once on the third floor, Hill, Bentley, and Walker take Oswald to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau. Hill and Bentley then proceed to the Personnel office, leaving Oswald, Walker, and the wallet in the H&R Bureau suite. Meanwhile, the priest, the rabbi and the bear are at the bar, impatiently waiting for you to finish the joke.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:52:07 PM »
There are two kinds of responses, cognitive and reflexive. Cognitive responses require interaction with the brain. Reflexive responses do not. They happen more rapidly than cognitive responses. The nerves and muscles respond to an outside stimulus, in this case, the single bullet. JBC exhibits both types of responses. First the reflexive response of his right arm flipping upward at Z226 when the bullet smashed into his wrist. It took 9 frames, about 1/2 second, for his arm to raise up and back down out of sight following the bullet strike to his wrist. That was followed immediately by his cognitive response of reacting to the the blow to his back which he described as if he had been hit by a doubled up fist. That is when he doubled over and dipped to his right, which is what he remembered. It appears to me his placement of that reaction at Z234 seems to be fairly accurate. That is when he see his shoulders lower noticeably.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Greg Doudna on Yesterday at 10:27:36 PM »
Quote from: Eric Meece on Yesterday at 09:07:22 PM
Greg, I read on The Education Forum (now shut down) that you had information on the security guard Holmes who took the pistol and wallet from Callaway and returned it to Officer Croy. Can you post what you know about this here?

Hi Eric-- I don't have any information on Holmes other than what Myers reported. (Myers' book is available as ebook on amazon inexpensively.) Here is David von Pein with some basic information on Holmes and Callaway: https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/wallets-part-2.html.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 10:24:08 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 06:50:02 PM
I think one would be hard pressed to find any other gunshot case where a group of people refuse to believe the person who actually experienced the shooting and who identified the moment of impact after carefully studying a high-quality print of the film of his shooting frame by frame and under high magnification.

Getting back to Connally's stiffening and frowning, which SBT believers implausibly interpret as a wound reaction, the HSCA's photographic experts determined that the stiffening and frowning actually starts at Z222 (6 HSCA 17), and I agree with them. This poses yet another unsolvable problem for a Z224 SBT hit, and also for a Z220-223 SBT hit. Since Connally begins to stiffen his shoulders and upper trunk and frown at Z222, this means the bullet could not have hit him any later than Z218, since it takes humans at least 4 frames (220 milliseconds) to physically react to "severe external stimulus."

Obviously, Connally stiffens and frowns starting in Z222 (if not before) because he has just heard a gunshot. Naturally, this would have caused him to tense up and frown. He explained that he turned to try to see JFK because he had heard a shot, and we see him starting to finish his rightward turn in Z222, when he reemerges from behind the freeway sign. So, yes, of course, he was worried about hearing a gunshot, and so he tensed up and frowned as a result.     

Of course, Connally carefully studied all the frames after he reemerges from behind the freeway sign for any indication of wound reaction and bullet impact. He said he saw no indication before Z229 that he was hit, and he chose Z234 as the moment of impact. He said he was certain about this.

But, even if you want to reject the conclusion of the guy who actually experienced the wounding and who knew himself better than anyone else, you are still left with the fact that the reaction that starts at Z222 could not have been in response to a Z220-221 hit (and obviously not to a Z223-224 hit either).

Below is z223. There is no sign of "stiffness" whatsoever. JBC is sat upright and alert looking calm and composed.
It shows JBC after he emerges from behind the Stemmons sign.
He is still looking off to his right as he was before he passed behind the Stemmons sign:




Almost immediately after this frame JBC appears to have an extreme reaction.
The clip below is from z222 to z250.
In my opinion it shows JBC having an extreme reaction, most likely to being shot:



I can only say I'm flummoxed by anyone who can look at this clip and honestly say there is no radical reaction in the frames immediately following z222/z223.
Use your own eyes.
There's no need to get lost in JBC's faulty recollection of the massively traumatising, life-threatening injury that threw his whole body into shock. There is copious amounts written about the distorting effects trauma can have on memory. This must be taken into account.
It must also be taken into account that there is a 'time-lag' between the trauma happening and JBC becoming consciously aware of it:

"Human thought takes time to form, and so the “right now” that we’re experiencing inside our skulls is always a little later than what’s going on in the outside world. It takes 500 milliseconds, or half a second, for sensory information from the outside world to be incorporated into conscious experience."

https://nymag.com/speed/2016/12/what-is-the-speed-of-thought.html#:~:text=Human%20thought%20takes%20time%20to,be%20incorporated%20into%20conscious%20experience.


LATER EDIT: I created this GiF to highlight JBC's reaction. I used z223 and z240 which represents a time gap of 1 second. A single second. Look at the difference between the two images and consider there is a single second between them:





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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Eric Meece on Yesterday at 09:07:22 PM »
Greg, I read on The Education Forum (now shut down) that you had information on the security guard Holmes who took the pistol and wallet from Callaway and returned it to Officer Croy. Can you post what you know about this here?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:29:34 PM »
Another never-Trumper bites the dust

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/never-trumper-george-conway-lost-his-primary-so-badly-he-couldn-t-even-beat-a-lady-no-one-has-heard-of/ar-AA26rTMD?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=6a3c2e1c25eb410bad29f5749fa91a6e&ei=24

He finished 5th out of 5.

He barely beat out None of the Above.

George Conway has one of the worst cases of TDS this side of Rosie O'Donnell. It's almost as bad as Tom Graves's.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Understanding the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Cover-Up
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 07:39:44 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 04:12:18 PM
WC defenders ignore or summarily brush aside the fact that on November 16-17, five days before the assassination, David Ferrie spent the weekend with Mafia kingpin Carlos Marcello at Marcello's Churchill Farms estate. Supposedly, the two were discussing "defense strategy" for the final week of Marcello's deportation trial in federal court. However, strangely enough, Marcello’s attorneys were not there.. Humm. . . . Ferrie was no lawyer. It is very hard imagine what legal strategy Marcello and Ferrie could have discussed for two entire days; it is also hard to fathom how a weekend-long legal defense strategy meeting would not have included at least one of Marcello's attorneys. Dr. Richard Mahoney correctly and logically suspects that Marcello and Ferrie were finalizing some of the details of the planned assassination of JFK in Dallas (The Kennedy Brothers: The Rise and Fall of Jack and Bobby, 2017 edition, p. 386).

Let’s see how MTG’s Mahoney Factoid holds up.

Ferrie was a highly intelligent guy and enough of a pilot to have flown for Eastern Airlines. When he was fired by Eastern on morals charges in 1961, he was represented by very high-profile New Orleans attorney G. Wray Gill in his efforts to be reinstated. When the initial effort to get Ferrie reinstated failed, Gill hired him as an investigator and law clerk from March 1962 to December 1963, with Gill continuing to represent Ferrie throughout 1963 in his efforts to be reinstated by Eastern. The hiring of Ferrie was in lieu of Ferrie paying Gill’s steep attorney fees. Gill's clients had included Carlos Marcello since 1951, and Gill would continue to represent the mobster until Gill's own death in 1972.

Ferrie was interviewed by the FBI on 11-25-63 and volunteered that "since the end of August, 1963 and up until November 22, 1963 he has been working on a case involving CARLOS MARCELLO who was charged in Federal Court in connection with a fraudulent birth certificate. FERRIE stated that the trial of MARCELLO began in Federal Court in New Orleans, Louisiana on November 4, 1963 and ended on November 22, 1963 and that he was in New Orleans working with Attorney G. WRAY GILL on the case during this period. He stated that on November 9 and November 16, 1963 he was at Churchill Downs which is a farm owned by CARLOS MARCELLO, mapping strategy in connection with MARCELLO's trial." (Marcello was acquitted of all charges.)

Ferrie was present at the defense table in the courtroom during the trial, which means he was intimately involved with the case. Gill told the FBI on November 27 that he worked closely with Ferrie on trial strategy. Churchill Farms was a secluded 4,000-acre estate used by Marcello for all sorts of dubious purposes. It’s apparently still in the Marcello family.

Lamar Waldron says in The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination that Ferrie was with Marcello at Churchill Farms on November 9-10. He says nothing about November 16 and does not say who was in attendance. Exhaustive searches on Google and specifically at the Ed Forum turned up no discussion whatsoever about the supposed Mahoney bombshell or who was or was not in attendance when Ferrie met with Marcello.

November 9-10 and 16-17 were both weekends (Saturday and Sunday), so the court was not in session. The 32-page HSCA report on Marcello does not mention Ferrie at all and mentions Gill only once (in relation to something that occurred in 1970). The HSCA report on Ferrie says he was at Churchill Farms both weekends, ostensibly working on trial strategy, but says nothing further.

Richard D. Mahoney is a respected JFK author (and former Arizona Secretary of State!) who endorses a two-gunman “crossfire” view of the JFKA without attempting to flesh out the conspiracy. Mahoney’s book The Kennedy Brothers says only that “Marcello had spent that weekend [November 16-17] at Churchill Farms closeted [closeted?] with Lee Harvey Oswald’s associate and Cuban exile activist David Ferrie [Oswald’s associate?]. The source for this is Mafia Kingfish by John H. Davis. Mahoney says the HSCA “reached a similar conclusion about Marcello’s and Ferrie’s weekend together” (what conclusion, apart from the fact they were together?). The only other thing he says is “Strangely, Marcello’s attorneys were not present” – for which he cites no source. There is no explicit suggestion that Ferrie and Marcello were hatching JFKA plans.

You can read Mahoney’s latest (March 2026) conspiratorial effort, “Will we ever get the truth about the JFK assassination?”, here: https://journals.econsciences.com/index.php/JSAS/article/download/2721/3469/8949. There is a fair amount about Ferrie in connection with his book but, alas, nothing about being “closeted” with Marcello to hatch JFKA plans.

So is this a busted factoid? Eh, maybe, maybe not. The fact is, Marcello was in the middle of a criminal trial. Ferrie was the investigator for Marcello’s prominent attorney, who said he worked closely with Ferrie on trial strategy. Ferrie may have had a pilot relationship with Marcello dating back to 1961 (according to the HSCA), so perhaps the invitation was partly social. Churchill Farms was a huge estate used for lots of purposes. We don’t really know who was present when Ferrie met with Marcello; Mahoney cites no source for his claim that “Marcello’s attorneys were not present.” Ferrie is such a strange and mysterious figure, and Marcello figures so prominently in any Mafia-did-it JFKA scenario, that I would “never say never” – but to call it a "correct and logical" conclusion that Ferrie and Marcello were "finalizing some of the details" of the JFKA seems exceedingly far-fetched - albeit entirely MTG-like - to me; moreover, the conclusion is MTG's, not Mahoney's.

You just can't trust this MTG character. Someday the light bulb will go on for even the most trusting of you.
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