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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex kill JFK?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 07:07:40 AM »
Quote from: Karl Kinaski on Today at 06:00:22 AM
Yes. By the old boys IC-joint venture of all country's all over the world that still exists.

A former high-ranking colleague of Angleton(...) quote:
"Jim (angleton) believed that the real exercise of power in and between countries
occurs through networks of leaders. This was the importance of the
liaison unit. It operated outside of the normal channels, which really
irritated people like the State Department at times. A lot of it went
back to relationships formed during and just after World War II. Jim
cultivated these people, whether they were in or out of government."
Close quote

For instance: IMO the Covid affaire was a US-China IC joint venture, executed by the the MIC of the US and the MIC of China, with Europe as junior partner. 22.11. 63 was  a SU-US joint venture with several junior partners: Mafia, Israel ...

Father-figure-requiring James Angleton was duped by a probable KGB mole in the CIA by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up; he was Deputy Chief of the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff and Chief of ITS Research Branch) to such an extent that he may have manipulated Angleton into sending Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA -- the Soviet Russia Division.

Which mole hunt lasted nine years, protected Solie from being uncovered, destroyed the Soviet Russia Division, and drove Angleton nuts.

Ironically, Angleton told true defector KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn and CIA officers David E. Murphy and Raymond Rocca on 29 June 1964 that Solie's office was the only one in the CIA he wasn't afraid was penetrated by the KGB.

Among other things, in October 1968 Solie "cleared" false-defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964, Yuri Nosenko, via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report.

A short time later, Nosenko was generously reimbursed for his troubles, naturalized as a U.S. citizen, and got a good-paying gig at the CIA teaching "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex kill JFK?
« Last post by Karl Kinaski on Today at 06:00:22 AM »
Yes. By the old boys IC-joint venture of all country's all over the world that still exists.

A former high-ranking colleague of Angleton(...) quote:
"Jim (angleton) believed that the real exercise of power in and between countries
occurs through networks of leaders. This was the importance of the
liaison unit. It operated outside of the normal channels, which really
irritated people like the State Department at times. A lot of it went
back to relationships formed during and just after World War II. Jim
cultivated these people, whether they were in or out of government."
Close quote

For instance: IMO the Covid affaire was a US-China IC joint venture, executed by the the MIC of the US and the MIC of China, with Europe as junior partner. 22.11. 63 was  a SU-US joint venture with several junior partners: Mafia, Israel ...
 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex kill JFK?
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Today at 05:39:14 AM »
No
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Luna committee is bogus ...
« Last post by Karl Kinaski on Today at 05:38:56 AM »
@ Benjamin Cole
Morley  did a lot of JFKA research. His recent assessment of the ongoing Iran-Israel-US mess is another story.
Back to topic:
 
It is my understanding that Jeff Morley ignored Judyth Baker and a possible bioweapon link in the complex story of the JFKA from the start. So does James DiEugenio (who is is IMO the most knowledgeable JFKA researcher in most aspects of the JFKA).
On the other hand, Oliver Stone believes Judyth Baker. What is the difference? The three men were allowed to testify; Baker was not. There is another aspect: those men are not eyewitnesses. Judyth Baker is the last eyewitness of Oswalds clandestine operations in NOLA. Judyth Baker’s story should be read into the record, whether you believe her or not. You don't get to the bottom of things, when you select experts und witness. Or discredit witness who are willing to testify.

Use for instance AI too, to get a fair assessment. Quote GROK:

"This (Bakers bioweapon claim)fits into 1960s U.S. biological weapons research and anti-Castro plots (e.g., CIA's real attempts with poisons/pills). However, mainstream accounts attribute Castro assassination efforts to more conventional means, not this specific New Orleans cancer project. The theory gained traction in alternative media and conferences but remains fringe even among conspiracy researchers. 
In short, the bioweapon angle originated in Ed Haslam's investigation of Sherman's death and was popularized (and personalized) by Baker starting in the late 1990s/early 2000s. It remains highly debated—compelling to some as a "missing link," but unproven and contested by others. Primary sources are Baker's and Haslam's books; cross-check with critical analyses for balance."
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 Judyth Baker may be the only living connection between Rep. Anna Paulina Luna’s work and Tulsi Gabbard’s work — a link between the never-ending U.S. bioweapon (gain-of-function) activities, all the bloody U.S. coups around the world, and the events of November 22, 1963 on american soil  ... she should testify and should be questioned and grilled by committee members ...

 






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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex kill JFK?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 05:07:22 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 04:59:59 AM
Yes, and Vincent Salandria and James W. Douglass.

A lot of smart guys are in the aforementioned, but...the ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.

Another smart guy, and former CIA director with decades of experience in international affairs, James Woolsey, suspects the KGB.

Some suspect the Mafia or LBJ.

I suspect, but concede it is only a reasonable suspicion, that G2'ers were involved, although possibly just Alpha-66'ers.   

A very small plot, involving LHO and two others.
 
Strange JFKA Fact: Almost no one believes LHO was part of a small, informal, ad hoc JFKA, consisting of lower level G2'ers or Cuban exiles.

LHO is usually posited to have been totally innocent, and framed in plot involving dozens and dozens up to the highest levels somewhere...or to have acted alone. 

Then, we have crackpots positing Mossad...oh never mind.

I asked a simple question -- yes or no.

I didn't ask you for your brilliant observations and/or theories.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex kill JFK?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 04:59:59 AM »
Yes, and Vincent Salandria and James W. Douglass.

A lot of smart guys are in the aforementioned, but...the ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.

Another smart guy, and former CIA director with decades of experience in international affairs, James Woolsey, suspects the KGB.

Some suspect the Mafia or LBJ.

I suspect, but concede it is only a reasonable suspicion, that G2'ers were involved, although possibly just Alpha-66'ers.   

A very small plot, involving LHO and two others.
 
Strange JFKA Fact: Almost no one believes LHO was part of a small, informal, ad hoc JFKA, consisting of lower level G2'ers or Cuban exiles.

LHO is usually posited to have been totally innocent, and framed in plot involving dozens and dozens up to the highest levels somewhere...or to have acted alone. 

Then, we have crackpots positing Mossad...oh never mind.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Did the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex kill JFK?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 04:21:10 AM »
AFAIK, comrades Jimmy DiEugenio, Oliver Stone, Jefferson Morley, Peter Dale Scott, Bill Simpich, and Gary "Rudeness" Aguilar, et al. ad nauseum, believe the evil, evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex killed JFK.

What about you?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Reasonable Doubts?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 04:14:55 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 01:49:28 AM

This may be why Andrew’s last statement seems to me to suggest the bullet did NOT ENTER  the wrist bone from the top of the hand and exit from the base of the palm. Rather it did something else that’s not quite like  what average IQ people like myself seem to think the official conventional WC stated it did.
Here is the bullet hole in the front of JBC’s jacket:



This indicates that the bullet was still intact when exiting the chest.

However, if the evidence of Greer that he sensed an impact sound of something hitting in the car on the second shot and if Tague’s recollection of being struck by a fragment on the second shot are correct, then the bullet must have fragmented on striking the back of the wrist. The jagged and long hole in the back of the french cuff is consistent with irregular shaped fragments deflecting off the back of the wrist.

The bullet fragments created by forceful impact on the radius bone will necessarily deflect away from the point of contact on the radius.

If a still intact bullet struck the back of the wrist and this impact caused the bullet to fragment then all the fragments would have deflected away from the point of contact. That would have been upward and a bit to the left if it struck the wrist around z270. A fragment of bone could have penetrated through the skin on the volar side but not a bullet fragment created by the impact on the radius.

If that occurred, there was no bullet fragment that passed through the wrist. And, therefore, no bullet hole in the hat.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Reasonable Doubts?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:25:53 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 01:49:28 AM
IDK why I keep asking questions. It may be akin to visiting a genius in the insane asylum and you ask questions that you think should convince the genius he’s wrong only to be surprised that he’s got another way of looking at the problem.

For example, the answer to my question about the hat position, persuaded the genius to post the Z268 frame which shows JC holding the hat being held by the right hand up near his chest.

The well of the hat is visible which means the right hand must have the palm facing away from the chest if the fingers are overlapping the rim and into the well. ( presuming Andrew agrees with my description of what I’m seeing in this Z268 frame.)

So if Andrew’s agrees with my description then the Z270 bullet exiting thru JCs chest is going to have to go thru the hat well if the bullet EXITS from the base of the palm of the hand.

This may be why Andrew’s last statement seems to me to suggest the bullet did NOT ENTER  the wrist bone from the top of the hand and exit from the base of the palm. Rather it did something else that’s not quite like  what average IQ people like myself seem to think the official conventional WC stated it did.

There are so many ludicrous elements to Andrew's scenario that the bullet missing the hat is the least problematic of them.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Applying Logic and Critical Thinking to the JFK Assassination
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:22:57 AM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 02:58:01 AM
A bullet that nicks a window frame "logically" suggests the gunman was trying to miss and the attempt was staged? There would be 100 ways to miss, but the gunman zeroed in on the edge of a window frame? This is Conspiracy Logic 101, a/k/a Alice In Wonderland logic, a/k/a Anti-Logic.

Just one question. Are you serious?
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