JFK Assassination Forum

In my experience, many JFK CTers view the evidence against Oswald in a vacuum.  Each individual piece of evidence is addressed without regard to other evidence and circumstances.  Oswald's bag is a great example.  Frazier confirms Oswald carried a long bag that morning.  He indicates that Oswald told him it contained curtain rods.  Frazier asked Oswald about his lunch and was told he didn't bring it that day.  A long bag was found in the TSBD that had Oswald's prints on it.   No other such bag matching Frazier's description was ever found or accounted for in any way.  Oswald denied that he carried any bag such as Frazier described when he claimed he took only his lunch.  He denied carrying any curtain rods.  Entirely contrary to what Frazier described including Oswald confirming to him that he did not have his lunch and instead having curtain rods.  But because Frazier's estimate of the length of the bag is off by several inches, they ignore the totality of these circumstances to conclude that the 6th floor bag is not the same one Oswald carried to work.  What happened to the bag they believe he carried as described by Frazier is never addressed.  Why Oswald lied to Frazier about his lunch and the curtain rods is not addressed.  And so forth.  Repeat endlessly.

Herr Corbett,

Being accused of suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a badge of honor; it's like having lived in Germany in 1933 and been against Hitler.

-- Tom

The Hitler comparison mystifies me.  Hitler had two primary political objectives.  Eliminating the Jews and obtaining land in Eastern Europe for colonization.  Hiter murdered millions of Jews.  Trump has a Jewish daughter, grandchildren, and is a strong advocate for Israel.  So much so that anti-Semite liberals who have much more in common with Hitler than Trump often criticize him for it.  Can you imagine Hitler being awarded the Israel Prize?  Such a profound ignorance of history under the guise of politics is pathetic and offensive:

"US President Donald Trump was awarded the Israel Prize, the country’s highest honor, at the annual Independence Day ceremony in Jerusalem on Wednesday.

At Wednesday’s ceremony, Kisch said Trump has been a true friend of the Jewish people and Israel for decades, standing uncompromisingly against manifestations of antisemitism.”

Trump was informed in December by Education Minister Yoav Kisch that he would be awarded the prize in the category of “special contribution to the Jewish people.”

Kisch signed an Israel Prize certificate in honor of the US president on Tuesday, declaring in a video sent to the press that he didn’t think there was “any other person who can mark such amazing achievements and a wonderful connection to the Jewish people except for Trump at this time.”

“His name will be remembered in the annals of our people,” he declared."

OK, fine, but doesn't that leave the same issue as to why Oswald thinks he's been framed? Say the rifle was removed from the garage two weeks previously, or a month, or whatever. Or it never was in the garage. I don't see any way that Oswald realizes he's been framed within minutes of the assassination unless the M-C actually was his rifle and he knew it was in the building. What other scenario is there where he realizes "I've been framed for the assassination of JFK and I need to hightail it out of here and get my revolver." Even if he'd been a knowing cog in some event he didn't think was an assassination (perhaps a protest of some sort), and then realized it was an assassination, it's hard for me to make sense of his subsequent actions on that basis - unless he knew his rifle was in the building.

It's 2-3? minutes after the "event" that took place outside the building where he works. He's having lunch, hears this commotion outside, a police officer confronts him and lets him go, someone says the President was shot or maybe not. This is all he knows.

So he goes outside, sees this absolute chaos taking place, police running around with guns drawn, people yelling and screaming. Many people are going to the grassy knoll, the fence, the overpass. Some say the President was shot. Others say otherwise. It's all confusion.

From this limited information the innocent Oswald determines he's being framed? For what exactly? How can he be framed? He's having lunch. He doesn't know where the shots came from. 

Moreover, during his journey from work to the rooming house he never inquires about what happened. He doesn't talk to any co-workers, he shows no interest in learning about what happened, he ignores the TV that is on as he goes to his room, he doesn't ask Roberts about any news. For a guy thinking he's being framed he sure doesn't want to find out anything that might help exonerate him. Not exactly a Richard Kimble here looking for a one armed shooter.

The very political Oswald shows no interest at all in what happened. In this world, none of this makes sense. In Oswald defender world it's all assumptions and suppositions.

Here's are two views of the fence area from Bowers' location looking South.

The first is from Dale Myers' computer simulation. The second is a photo from Thompson's "Six Seconds in Dallas."

So now you're an ornithologist. So tell me, Professor.  How long does it take a pigeon to accelerate from 0 to 30 mph?

"Pigeons are incredibly fast, capable of accelerating from a dead stop to 100 km/h (62 mph) in just 2 seconds."

I have confirmed this with three of my cats, who insist life isn't fair.