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These days, it's going to be hard to find a 91/38 FC in good shape for less than $500. I spent about $650 to get my 7.35 a few years ago, though mine came well-restored well. The Ethioipian government has been periodically coughing up crates of old Carcanos held in it's arsenals in the past few years. However, I doubt they're in very good shape. But maybe you can find a good one in the dross.

I have a .30-06 and it has quite the recoil. After a range session with that, my right shoulder feels it for a day or so. I'm guessing the 7.35mm has a similar recoil. Does it have the same cartridge size as the 6.5mm Carcano.
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According to decades later recall from Brugioni, the following briefing board was not the one he produced on the Saturday night but according to Hofeling, this briefing board came the day after and came directly from Hawkeyeworks(you know, the imaging processing unit "who could do anything", even better than Hollywood could do for the next three decades+). Anyway I digress, if the briefing board teams had access to the original Full Frame Zapruder Film and/or the highly questionable "faked version", according to Brugioni(who was the Duty Officer on the Saturday and Sunday?) had the "finest enlargement equipment in the World!" and wanted to deliver "the best quality we could give them", why on Earth wouldn't Brugioni deliver the entire frame, like what was printed in the 26 volumes? Unless of course they only had the SS copy which as we know didn't include the inter sprocket detail!!



What's also bizarre is Brugioni telling us that he was fully aware of the importance of the full film of the assassination and he is also fully aware that the tape he used to indicate which frame to highlight for his briefing board could damage the film, so he taped frames which were 10 frames away from what he deemed "important", there's no way that any sane professional technician who was aware of the historical significance of the original film would risk in any way, any section of the Zapruder original!! Unless of course Brugioni knew at the time that he had one of many duplicates.



JohnM
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Not only did they see the film they got Time/Life to send them the original to examine. It was reportedly much clearer than the copies the WC had. According to David Belin, he and others watched it hundreds of times, over multiple hours.

It was CE 396 and 398.

From Shenon's "A Cruel and Shocking Act."



Thanks for posting that extract.

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It was CE 396 and 398.

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The Warren Commission in CE388 also published(except for the half dozen frames destroyed by LIFE Magazine)every single frame from Z171 though to Z334 and they are all the Full Frames that included the ghost images between the sprockets, they also included the graphic head shot.
And every frame is exactly what we saw published in Life Magazine a week later and up until what we see today.





BTW, according to decades later recall from Brugioni, the following briefing board was not the one he produced on the Saturday night but according to Hofeling, this briefing board came the day after and came directly from Hawkeyeworks(you know, the imaging processing unit "who could do anything", even better than Hollywood could do for the next three decades+). Anyway I digress, if the briefing board teams had access to the original Full Frame Zapruder Film and/or the highly questionable "faked version", according to Brugioni(who was the Duty Officer on the Saturday and Sunday?) had the "finest enlargement equipment in the World!" and wanted to deliver "the best quality we could give them", why on Earth wouldn't Brugioni deliver the entire frame, like what was printed in the 26 volumes? Unless of course they only had the SS copy which as we know didn't include the inter sprocket detail!!



What's also bizarre is Brugioni telling us that he was fully aware of the importance of the full film of the assassination and he is also fully aware that the tape he used to indicate which frame to highlight for his briefing board could damage the film, so he taped frames which were 10 frames away from what he deemed "important", there's no way that any sane professional technician who was aware of the historical significance of the original film would risk in any way, any section of the Zapruder original!! Unless of course Brugioni knew at the time that he had one of many duplicates.



JohnM
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I've seen several more websites that listed the Carcano short rifle in 6.5 but all had been sold and most don't indicate the selling price. I'm going to keep my eye out and hope to get lucky. If I see one listed for $400 or less, I'll probably buy it. If they are asking any more, I'll have to twist my own arm to talk myself into buying it.
These days, it's going to be hard to find a 91/38 FC in good shape for less than $500. I spent about $650 to get my 7.35 a few years ago, though mine came well-restored well. The Ethioipian government has been periodically coughing up crates of old Carcanos held in it's arsenals in the past few years. However, I doubt they're in very good shape. But maybe you can find a good one in the dross. 
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MT-

You raise an arcane question. Was the ammo found in the TSBD6 0.268 or 0.264?

The gun boards say you get better results, accuracy wise, with the 0.268.
The WC ammo was made to Italian military specification, so it's the correct 0.268" diameter.
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Hello Everyone,

This is my first post - apologies if this topic has been broached before, I was unable to find it using the search feature.

I have followed and tracked the statements recorded by David Lifton and Doug Horne for many years.  I feel I have stitched together the - admittedly complex and at times hard to believe - timeline of events concerning the casket(s) and body from Parkland to Bethesda.

The one piece of the puzzle which I cannot fit is based on an "off the record" conversation between David Lifton and Richard Lipsey where no recording equipment was permitted or used.

Lipsey stated - and Lifton directly quoted him - that JFK's left arm was raised like a "Heil Hitler salute" when he saw the body at Bethesda.  Furthermore, Lipsey said that "Humes had to jump on the body and lower it with his knee."

Lifton has discussed this in a few online videos including this series -
Lifton proceeded to hypothesise why the left arm - and only the left arm - was raised.  He implied that this was due to storage conditions for the body aboard the luggage compartment of Air Force 1.

Irrespective of how it was raised, if we take Lipsey at his word, we assume the arm was as raised as it was, I have a major problem.

What I know to be true is that the body was delivered inside a "zipped body bag" inside a "shipping casket" by helicopter, then black cadillac hearse to the back door of the Bethesday morgue at rougly 6:35pm.

Looking at both the zipped body bag (as cofirmed by Paul O'Connor at Bethesday) and the grey shipping casket (as confirmed by Jim Jenkins at Bethesda) I can't physically see how JFK's arm could have been raised at all.  There just isn't the room inside the body bag NOR the casket.

I would warmly welcome this great community to challenge me on this and I am open to being convinced that this is simply a false statement from Lipsey - he is the only person as far as I know that stated this. Equally, I'm open to being told that the body bags have plenty of room for a raised arm - but logistically, I'm sceptical.

I'm looking forward to your comments.

Thank you.
So Lifton says that Lipsey told him completely off the record that JFK was doing the HH salute. As far as I know, Lipsey hasn't said this at any other time. Nor do I recall Humes, Boswell, Finck, Ebersole, O'Connor, Jenkins, Custer, Reed, Sibert, O'Neil, Stringer, Reibe, Boyers, Canada, Humes, Rudnicki, Wehle, Bird or anyone else present in the autopsy mentioning anything like that happening.  I will refrain from advancing an explanation as to why Lifton said what he did, but it's very, very, very hard to believe that the other attendees would have missed something so obvious occurring. So, any carefully thinking person should find this a dubious claim.

As to the idea of getting the body into the cargo hold of either AF1 or AF2, some important information must be considered. First is that the cargo doors on a 707 are on the left side of the aircraft. On 11/22/1963 the left side of both AF and AF2 faced the terminal, the press, the police escort, and anyone else in the crowd watching the Presidential party boarding. The press pool 707 was directly behind AF2 and the space between AF1 and AF2 was easily visible from this aircraft....there are some extant photos taken from the parked press pool plane showing how open this area was. How would they have been able to get JFK's body directly into the cargo hold without it being blatantly obvious is a mystery that Lifton never could solve.  Now, you might think that the body could have been taken aboard AF1 in the bronze casket where it would have been removed and placed in the cargo hold from the cabin, but that's also a bad idea. There is a way to get from the main cabin to the cargo hold directly below it. However....

In a Boeing C-137, the only way to get to the hold from the cabin is through a hatch underneath the navigator's desk in the cockpit, directly behind the pilot's seat. Cabin-to-hold transport of the body would require the body to be removed from the casket at the rear of the plane, then hauled all the way forward to the cockpit, then manhandled through the hatch into the avionics bay, then into the cargo hold behind the av bay. That's quite a feat to pull without being detected by the many people on the plane. And there is the similarly difficult problem of getting the body off the plane without being discovered in flagrante delicto.

How to get the body on and off the aircraft separately from the casket, while being discreet, is a major weakness of both Horn's and Lifton's theories.
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Can you please tell me why someone in the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (of which Nosenko-loving and Shadrin-losing Solie was Deputy Chief) arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics to have all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming "defection" sent to it instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division?--TG

I do not have any theories, conjecture, hypotheses or deductions on that.

The WC concluded LHO was not KGB or G2. If WC conclusions are fallible...then where are we in our JFKA narratives?

If Solie was in fact a KGB mole, then he had his reasons for manipulating information traffic, as he was working for the evil and bad KGB.

If Solie was in fact an earnest mole-hunter, he may have other reasons for cutting off the flow of non-CIA cables to SRD. Perhaps to find out if someone in SRD was finding out the censored info anyway---indicating that someone could be KGB.

The case against Solie is interesting.

On the other hand, the case is only a deduction, a conspiracy theory on Solie.

There is no evidence of Solie-KGB communiques, and LHO never said, "Someone representing Solie (or even the CIA) sent me to the USSR." Solie was soft on Nosenko, but so were some others.

I lean towards Solie being a KGB asset, but it is a suspicion.

There has been no trial, and Solie is not around to defend his reputation.

Maybe.

It's funny that you, yourself, have preached that Solie was a KGB mole.

Now tell me what you know about Leonard V. McCoy and Russia-born George Kisevalter.
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Can you please tell me why someone in the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (of which Nosenko-loving and Shadrin-losing Solie was Deputy Chief) arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics to have all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming "defection" sent to it instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division?--TG

I do not have any theories, conjecture, hypotheses or deductions on that.

The WC concluded LHO was not KGB or G2. If WC conclusions are fallible...then where are we in our JFKA narratives?

If Solie was in fact a KGB mole, then he had his reasons for manipulating information traffic, as he was working for the evil and bad KGB.

If Solie was in fact an earnest mole-hunter, he may have other reasons for cutting off the flow of non-CIA cables to SRD. Perhaps to find out if someone in SRD was finding out the censored info anyway---indicating that someone could be KGB.

The case against Solie is interesting.

On the other hand, the case is only a deduction, a conspiracy theory on Solie.

There is no evidence of Solie-KGB communiques, and LHO never said, "Someone representing Solie (or even the CIA) sent me to the USSR." Solie was soft on Nosenko, but so were some others.

I lean towards Solie being a KGB asset, but it is a suspicion.

There has been no trial, and Solie is not around to defend his reputation.

Maybe.



 
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Problem for a shot at Z270 hitting JC is that the bullet is NOT fragmenting into multiple pieces. If the conventional LN theory for a 2nd shot is CE 399 which went thru 2 bodies and a wrist bone and that CE 399 did NOT fragment , then why should we believe a Z270 shot that only passed  thru JCs body would fragment?

 I say A (CE399 was the first shot and did not cause JBC’s torso wound) is false and B (the second shot struck JBC in the torso and forearm and fragmented with fragments going high on and over the windshield causing the windshield damage and striking Tague) is true, based on the evidence.  You argue that B can’t be true because if B was true then A couldn’t be true! That is true of course, but it doesn’t advance an argument.

The whole point is that CE 399 did not pass “thru 2 and a wrist bone”.  I am suggesting it passed through JFK ‘s neck and caused JBC’s thigh wound.  That is why it was hardly damaged.

If a second shot struck JBC at full speed and struck bone in the torso and smashed the radius it would have experienced forces that exceeded the yield strength of its copper jacket, which means it would have fragmented.

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So unless this Z 270 bullet exiting JCs lower right side chest at 1500 ft/ sec did some amazing deflecting back  left and upward to get past the front seat , then over the windshield and then makes a final physics defying parabolic arc downwards again after traveling across the plaza green, there no way it’s hitting the curb near Tague.
If it strikes the radius at z271 or so and bullet fragments deflect off the back of the forearm surface which is angled up and to the right, they are going to deflect away from the point of contact, which is up and to the left. 

One fragment struck the windshield frame so something deflected it upward. How would a fragment from the head shot have deflected upward? What could fragments have struck to cause such a deflection?
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You didn't need to bump it. It was silly enough the first time you posted it.

   As we see above, everyone knows....................But You. This is what research is ALL about. Knowing what you are talking about.
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