JFK Assassination Forum

TG--

To be sure, it is impossible to verify whether Kostikov was Dept. 13 or not.

Still, LHO met three KGB'ers down in MC...and two months later helped perp the JFKA.

John Newman says extra-tricky, sneaky, way-clever stealthy elements within the CIA planted the "World War III virus" far in advance of the JFKA...and somehow connived to get LHO to visit the KGB, so that any investigation into LHO would be shut down by a nuke war-fearful LBJ.

Maybe. That always struck me as "out on a limb" territory.

Why do you say Oswald only helped?

Flash-Bang in the Bushes?

Smoke?

Bang . . . . . Bang-Bang?

Connally's wrist?

You love conspiracies?

(LOL)

This looks like a discussion for the US and International Politics thread...

I said my say on Trump, and he is off topic anyway...

"The same LHO that met with three KGB officials on a Saturday in MC, and with Cubans, and then a couple months later played a role in the JFKA a couple months after Castro had said, in so many words, 'what goes around, comes around'."


And who allegedly called the Soviet Consulate / Embassy in Mexico City on 1 October 1963 and was reminded, over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline by Kremlin-loyal triple-agent security officer Ivan Obyedkov (whom the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited), that he had met with (gasp . . . Department 13's(?)) Valery Kostikov a couple of days earlier -- which startling "intel," seven weeks later, forced or "forced" the CIA and LBJ to cover up the putative (or . . . gasp . . . actual?) "KGB connection" to the JFKA.

TG-

I am happy to keep you (un)gainfully employed.

Yes, I am aware that one Clare Edward Petty (three names 1960s-style!) thought DeM. might have been an Iron Curtain asset, possibly into the 1960s.

Maybe DeM. prompted LHO's move to Russia, where the KGB officer in Minsk said that LHO had been an asset. Maybe not.

The same LHO that met with three KGB officials on a Saturday in MC, and with Cubans, and then a couple months later played a role in the JFKA. And a couple months after Castro said what goes around comes around, in relation to assassination attempts.

And after which LBJ told Warren the President wanted no WC results that would trigger a nuke war with Russia. And Hoover and LBJ settled on the LN narrative in 48 hours, maybe less.

"The same LHO that met with three KGB officials on a Saturday in MC, and with Cubans, and then a couple months later played a role in the JFKA a couple months after Castro had said, in so many words, 'what goes around, comes around'."


And who allegedly called the Soviet Consulate / Embassy in Mexico City on 1 October 1963 and was reminded, over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline by Kremlin-loyal triple-agent security officer Ivan Obyedkov (whom the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited), that he had met with (gasp . . . Department 13's(?)) Valery Kostikov a couple of days earlier -- which startling "intel," seven weeks later, forced or "forced" the CIA and LBJ to cover up the putative (or . . . gasp . . . actual?) "KGB connection" to the JFKA.

Regardless, here's a little ditty I wrote at Substack a few months ago:


TO AN AGING EXPAT IN THAILAND . . .

An aging expat in Thailand wrote:

We know how the ‘Deep State’ removes presidents from power. See Nixon, Carter and Trump. They manipulate the media, they manipulate partisan animosities, and they weaponize prosecutorial agencies.

My reply:

Your saying the "Deep State" removed Trump from office is rich given the fact that it was "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin's hackers and professional St. Petersburg trolls, with help from Julian Assange, Paul Manafort, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and Oleg Deripaska, et al. ad nauseam -- and with possible help from Roger "I Have A Back Channel To Trump" Stone and Lyndon LaRouche's Harley Schlanger -- who put Trump in the White House in the first place.

There's the real "Deep State" for you.

Unfortunately, it seems as though you (and a large percentage of our population) have been zombified by the KGB’s successful waging of disinformation, "active measures,” and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies for the past sixty-six years.

Factoid: It started in 1959 when the KGB set up top-secret Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today’s SVR) and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today’s FSB).


"Quaeso me cochleari KGB suffoca."

Loose translation: “Gag me with a KGB spoon.”

TG-

I am happy to keep you (un)gainfully employed.

Yes, I am aware that one Clare Edward Petty (three names 1960s-style!) thought DeM. might have been an Iron Curtain asset, possibly into the 1960s.

Maybe DeM. prompted LHO's move to Russia, where the KGB officer in Minsk said that LHO had been an asset. Maybe not.

The same LHO that met with three KGB officials on a Saturday in MC, and with Cubans, and then a couple months later played a role in the JFKA. And a couple months after Castro said what goes around comes around, in relation to assassination attempts.

And after which LBJ told Warren the President wanted no WC results that would trigger a nuke war with Russia. And Hoover and LBJ settled on the LN narrative in 48 hours, maybe less.

TG--

It is a puzzle how Solie ever connected to LHO, and if there was a cut-out.

The answer may lie in Japan, where it is possible LHO, a dedicated Marxist, was successfully approached by KGB assets. There has been some buzz about this, the Queen Bee bar, and LHO having a hottie girlfriend out of his league, etc.

Then, the word to go to Russia could have been delivered to LHO, through KGB assets stateside in 1959, who were tight with Solie.

Richard Case Nagell (all three names, 1960s-style!) said LHO had become a KGB asset in Russia, and had been instructed to assassinate JFK, but that the Russians decided to back out of the plan, but LHO persisted.

Nagell always struck me, sadly, as having mental difficulties. Nagell said he was supposed to interdict LHO's JFKA.

The leftie ideologues always say Khrushchev would never have planned to assassinate JFK, the pair of leaders wanted to sing kumbaya.

The kumbaya scenario sets aside that elements within the KGB could well have wanted to perp the JFKA, and that JFK was an ardent and globalist anti-commie, who threatened to go to a nuke war to keep Russian missiles out of Cuba. And does not contemplate that Khrushchev was simply playing JFK. Or trying to. 

In late June 1963 JFK stood in Berlin, massive crowds, and said, "And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin."

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Yes, JFK then, and any number of times, referred to communism as an "evil system." JFK was globally charismatic. He started the Green Beret and AID to fight communism, and any other number of programs, and said so. It was JFK who helped form South Vietnam, and then led the US to intervene militarily there.

Solie may have been afraid that links between him and LHO might emerge, if the RCN file was read by a discerning mind.

Forgotten today, and ignored by the ideological left, and by Putin and Tehran-inspired JFKA "researchers," is the LBJ told the WC not to pursue any results that could start a nuke war with Russia.

That would include finding out that LHO was, or had been, a G2 or KGB asset.

If you assume (as I do) that John M. Newman is right in his 2022 book Uncovering Popov's Mole -- that James Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior, Bruce Leonard Solie, was a KGB mole in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security and that he sent Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA (the Soviet Russia Division) -- it doesn't necessarily mean that the KGB  encouraged / programmed Oswald to kill JFK.

Shoot (pardon the pun), self-described Marxist Oswald might have gotten tired of being jacked around by both the CIA and the KGB and decided all by him widdle Marxist self to kill JFK and . . . gasp . . . "advance the Dialectic."