JFK Assassination Forum

This is starting to remind me of the final scene in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

IOW, you don't have the character or the maturity to just admit you royally goofed. You said (1) that the FPP identified a piece of skull missing from the frontal bone, and (2) that the area of missing frontal bone goes nowhere near the hairline but is limited to a small part of the rear area of the frontal bone. 

Both claims are demonstrably false, not to mention inexcusable. The FPP doggedly denied that any bone was missing from the frontal bone; their wound diagrams show the frontal bone intact from the hairline back to the coronal suture, with no missing skull fragments. In doing so, the FPP ignored all of their own expert consultants who described a sizable amount of missing frontal bone, and even ignored Dr. Angel's diagrams showing that the triangular fragment was frontal bone and that it extended nearly to the hairline.

The FPP could not admit that a sizable chunk of frontal bone is in the skull x-rays missing because the autopsy photos of the face show the area behind and in front of the hairline to be intact. There's not even a hint of a loss of structure there. That's a physical impossibility if the skull x-rays are accurate. At the very least, the top of the forehead and the area right behind the hairline should show some visible degree of depression/indentation. This is why Dr. Ubelaker "noted the inconsistency between the amount of missing frontal bone and the intact appearance of the forehead in the autopsy photos."

Dr. David Mantik:

The HSCA skull reconstruction: The frontal bone (yellow arrow) is intact here, in gross disagreement with Angel—and also in disagreement with the skull X-rays.

The HSCA’s mistake (relied upon by Baden—quite possibly even initiated by him) was its opinion that frontal bone was fully intact immediately anterior to the coronal suture (Figure 4). That opinion can be refuted via the following items: (1) the AP skull X-ray (Figure 10), (2) optical density (OD) data from the AP X-ray (Figure 11—my sketch of absent frontal bone), (3) Boswell’s skull diagram for the ARRB (Figure 12), (4) Boswell’s sketch from the autopsy (Figure 13), and (5) the opinion of the ARRB forensic radiologist, John J. Fitzpatrick: showDoc.html (maryferrell.org). The AP X-ray also clearly shows where right frontal bone was missing (even though Baden oddly claimed that it was present). . . .

Figure 11 shows missing right frontal bone, a conclusion that is based on OD data that I took at the Archives. Boswell’s sketch for the ARRB also shows missing frontal bone. Furthermore, notice the close agreement (regarding the missing frontal bone) between my sketch (Figure 11) and Boswell’s sketches (Figures 12 and 13). He did one (Figure 12) for the ARRB, while the other one (Figure 13) was prepared at the autopsy. . . .

That missing frontal bone is quite obvious on the x-rays (and even on Boswell’s sketches); even Dr. J. Lawrence Angel, the physical anthropologist, disagreed with Baden’s reconstruction. . . .

HSCA Exhibit F-66 [Baden's reconstruction] shows the frontal bone intact all the way back to the coronal suture. . . .

The coronal suture would, of course, fit with Lawrence Angel’s view that the triangular fragment was frontal bone. It would also be consistent with Fitzpatrick’s (and my) conclusion that right frontal bone was missing all the way to JFK’s hairline. . . . . . .

RR [following Baden] places the triangular fragment into the right parietal area. But it cannot fit there. In particular, I have demonstrated, with detailed reconstructions via successive iterations of fluoroscopy images, exactly where bone islands lie on both the AP and lateral JFK X-rays. RR's proposed site for the triangular fragment is already occupied by two significant bone islands, and simply cannot accommodate another large bone fragment. That is a powerful reason—independent of Angel—that the triangular fragment must derive from frontal bone. (JFK Assassination Paradoxes, 2022, pp. 7, 15-16, 56, 96, 151-152)

When you say "I don't have to explain the medical evidence," what you really mean, but won't admit, is that you can't explain the glaring, incriminating contradictions in the medical evidence.

Once again you make the foolish mistake of assuming what a witness has said is an established fact. You'll never figure out the JFKA as long as you have that mindset.

No assumption at all. I take the evidence at face value and examine the rest of the evidence ce to see if there is other evidence that conflicts with it. I reject it only if there is a good reason ie. other evidence that conflicts with it. I don't assume that it is wrong because it is a human witness like you do.

There's no reason to think the position of the car would have been "seared into their memories for life".

Unless you were there, how would you know? Those who were there - like Mary Woodward, John Templin,Ernest Brandt, Tina Towner, Linda Willis, Rosemary Willis, Bob Jackson and others who made Living History contributions to the Sixth Floor Museum - would say otherwise.

The back shot entered low enough to graze K's first thoracic vertebra as seen from the X-ray. This would put the entrance much lower than picture indicated. First, Oswald could NOT have made that shot from six stories up. Back shot was even at an upward angle.

Bullseye. The HSCA FPP, to their credit, acknowledged that the autopsy photo of the back wound shows that the bullet entered and then tunneled at an upward angle. The FPP's chairman, Dr. Michael Baden, was nice enough to actually demonstrate on camera the only way he could get the wound's upward trajectory to fit with the single-bullet theory (SBT), namely, by assuming that JFK was leaning well over 50 degrees forward when the bullet hit. When Baden demonstrated this mythical forward lean for the cameras, he leaned forward by over 50 degrees.

And, actually, the fact that the back-wound bullet hit and then tunneled at an upward angle was established before the FPP came along: it was established in 1975 by the Rockefeller Commission's medical panel that consisted of three forensic pathologists (Dr. Werner Spitz, Dr. James Weston, and Dr. Russell Fisher). I quote from Dr. Spitz's report:

There is no doubt that the bullet which struck the President’s back penetrated the skin in a sharply upward direction, as is evident from the width of the abrasion at the lower half of the bullet wound of entrance. The term "sharply upward direction" is used because it is evident from this injury that the missile traveled upwards within the body. (Report of Werner Spitz, 4/24/75, p. 1, Rockefeller Commission papers)

This is the one of the few issues on which Dr. Spitz and Dr. Cyril Wecht agreed when the two served together on the FPP, and it was one of the few FPP findings that Dr. Wecht did not dispute. In his lectures on the medical evidence, Dr. Wecht would demonstrate why the back-wound's upward trajectory destroys the SBT.

Yet, the fraudulent SBT trajectory analyses done by John Lattimer and Dale Myers both have the bullet hitting the back at a noticeably downward angle. So do John Mytton's bogus SBT reconstructions.

Another fact that the FPP acknowledged, again to their credit, is that the WC's wound diagram places the back wound at least 1 inch higher than the autopsy photo shows it. The FPP moved the back wound downward by about 1.4 inches, placing it even with or slightly below the throat wound.

Obviously, that makes a huge difference for any trajectory analysis, which is why Lattimer's and Myers' fraudulent SBT reconstructions assume the back wound was a good 1 inch above the throat wound. This is also why the WC's SBT diagram (CE 385) erroneously puts the back wound about 1 inch above the throat wound.

You can see screencaps/photos from Lattimer's and Myers's SBT trajectory analyses in two of Pat Speer's chapters on the SBT:

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter11thesingle-bullettheory

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter12canimania

BTW, there have been many demolitions of Myers' bogus SBT simulations, but Speers' critique is probably the best one ever done. Myers' simulations also change JFK's body shape and change Connally's body size to make the SBT "work." Speers discusses the fact that Myers' simulations have contradicted themselves in their depiction of JFK's clothing and posture. Here is just a little bit of what Speers says about Myer's SBT simulation:

. . . his deception regarding the single-bullet theory is simply inexcusable. He would have to know that when people see computer simulations they believe the proportions are consistent from angle to angle—otherwise it’s just a cartoon. By changing the body shape of Kennedy to accommodate the bullet trajectory through his body, and by shrinking Connally 20% or more to accommodate the bullet trajectory in the car, Myers moved on up to the high rent neighborhood of Thomas Canning: deliberate deceptionville.

In 2023, the forensic engineering firm Knott Laboratory conducted the most data-intensive SBT trajectory analysis ever done and proved the SBT is impossible because JFK and Connally were never in a position to allow a trajectory back to the sixth-floor window.

Knott Lab's experts conducted a high-definition laser scan of Dealey Plaza to generate a point cloud of up to 2 million points per second, to accurately measure point-to-point anywhere in the scene. Using a 3D laser scanner (Leica RTC360), Knott Lab's experts did 36 laser scans of Dealey Plaza, producing a digital reconstruction of the plaza that has 851 million data points. No other SBT trajectory analysis has included such a detailed, accurate digital model of the plaza and of JFK's and Connally's positions in the limousine.

BTW, Knott Lab's SBT trajectory analysis has been endorsed by the the Henry C. Lee Institute of Forensic Science and the journal Forensic. In fact, Forensic did their own documentary on the JFK case using Knott Lab's SBT trajectory study.

Finally, it bears repeating ad nauseum that we now know that the back wound had no exit point, that there was no hole through JFK's tie, that there was no nick on either edge of the tie knot, and that numerous photos show that JFK's tie knot was neatly centered in the middle of the collar band during the Dallas motorcade.

JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view
 

Even if Oswald had hit K through the back, he was much higher than even this
bs photo. From the sixth floor the angle would have been 60 or 70 degrees downward. All reports that the back shot was 20 or 30 degrees is impossible. Back shot was even at an upward angle. Where could an upward shot have come from? Think about it.

I modified the title of this thread, as William Niedernut has been defrocked.

In truth, I hope the EF-JFKA recovers, and becomes more focused on the JFKA than on current politics.

The internet is flooded with political commentary, from all sides. Another forum in the red- blue-pissing wars...not needed.