JFK Assassination Forum

You don't "understand it" and it's obvious that you have never seriously looked into the Hunter Laptop(s). Joe "not getting money" is like saying that Al Capone never made a dime either. Cosa Nostra 101.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Why wasn't "Sleepy Joe" prosecuted for his "corrupt enrichment"?

The following is an excerpt from a Wikipedia article titled "Hunter Biden laptop controversy."

Is it Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! ?

In December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury, the FBI seized the laptop from Mac Isaac.[1][12][13] FBI investigators handling Hunter Biden's laptop quickly concluded in 2019 "that the laptop was genuinely his and did not seem to have been tampered with or manipulated".[14][15] In June 2024, federal prosecutors utilized the laptop as evidence as part of a criminal case against Hunter Biden, alongside testimony from an FBI agent involved in authenticating and investigating the laptop.[16] The hard drive data had been shared with Trump advisor Steve Bannon before it became publicly known.[1] Trump attempted to turn the story into an October surprise to hurt Joe Biden's campaign by falsely alleging that, while in office, Biden had acted corruptly regarding Ukraine to protect his son.[17][18][19] A joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees released in September 2020 and a Republican House Oversight committee investigation released in April 2024 did not find wrongdoing by Joe Biden with regard to Ukraine and his son's business dealings there.[25] PolitiFact wrote in June 2021 that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but did not demonstrate wrongdoing by Joe Biden.[26]

-- Tom

And to think that we ALL missed that little detail of Hickeys movement atZ140-145 where he was LEANING to HIS LEFT and his head was NOT looking back at TSBD.

Dan posted that Z film video clip at the very 1st page of  this thread and we ALL missed this critical detail that totally destroys any further attempt by LNs to try to use the  Z143 movement of SS agent Hickey to support Hickeys WC testimony of having looked BACK when he heard the 1st shot.

LOL it’s embarrassing really to miss such a detail after all these years 😳

So there are only a few options left for the dedicated LN to still argue for a loud shot from the TSBD shooter prior to Z207. I’m listing them from best to worst (imho):

A.  Andrew Masons 1st shot at Z190 ish theory that caused Willis girl to stop running by Z200. It requires accepting a 2 sec (approx)  delayed reaction of all the SS Agents to a Z190 ish  1st shot and a 2 sec delayed reaction by JFK from being hit by that shot. The TSBD shooter also chose to shoot thru tree foliage. Andrew will argue that the tree foliage was minimal and was not a factor🤔. And also that JC was not hit by the bullet that hit JFK and that the abrupt right shoulder rotation and forward motion of JC simultaneous with JFK lurching forward at Z223-225 is only a reaction of JC hearing a shot.🤨


B. The conventional LN argument that because JFK and Jackie have turned their heads looking to the right side of the JFK limo, from Z160-Z170, that this was a reaction to hearing the loud shot from the TSBD shooter which shot missed the limo entirely and may have struck the road to the right side of the JFK limo. Virgie Rachley is a witness used to support this idea because she thought she saw something hit the road ahead of the limo. The reason for the shot missing to the right side of the JFK limo could be due to the MC rifle scope being mounted left side of the stock and having probably lost its original zero. The argument is made that the shooter realized this , then switched to using the iron sights. The problem with this theory is the shot patten is not the 1….2..3 pattern that majority of witness heard.

C. The Max theory that there was a 1st loud shot at Z140 or so that hit the traffic light pole because the TSBD shooter decided to abandon his original plan of arranging the boxes to be used as a rifle support and he  would simply lean over from the box he was sitting on. He chose instead to impromptu stand up for his 1st shot?

D. Tom (the KGB expert) theory that the 1st shot  was fired even before Z133 ( around Z124 ??)3 shots fired over a 10 sec span, never mind that Harold Norman described Boom Click Click sequence was only 4 secs total. Um… Flat earth theory anyone?

E. Jack Nessans  Only 2 shots fired theory. Never mind that over 2/3rds witness heard 3 shots and that 3 shells were found on the SN floor and ignore that Harold Norman heard 3 shots also.

It was July 9, 1964, a little over six months since President John F. Kennedy had been murdered in Dallas, Texas. The former director of the CIA, Allen Dulles, sat in a room inside the National Archives Building on Constitution Avenue for seven hours (minus a break for lunch) with Warren Commission (WC) fellow member, John J. McCloy, three psychiatric experts, and half a dozen other WC staff. Their agenda? A discussion about the possible motives of Kennedy’s purported assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald.

One of the psychiatric experts, Dale C. Cameron, was involved in a secret agreement with the CIA for “the administration and treatment of referrals” from the Agency to the government hospital, St. Elizabeth’s, for which he was superintendent, that is, chief administrator. Dulles knew him, certainly. Another one of the experts was a young psychiatrist from the U.S. Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri, David A. Rothstein. When Dulles looked at him, trademark pipe perhaps in hand, he possibly thought, I don’t really know that fellow.

But Dulles likely knew the third psychiatrist very well. But he had to pretend he didn’t know him. Dr. Howard Phillips Rome was head of psychiatry at the world-renowned Mayo Clinic; the former chairman of the Medical Advisory Group to the Administrator of the Veterans Administration; former “head psychiatrist” [PDF pg. 155] for the U.S. Navy, and later consultant in Psychiatry to the U.S. Navy’s Surgeon General; and now, he was President-elect of the American Psychiatric Association. Still, on the record, in front of McCloy and company, Dulles would not indicate he knew this doctor — at least he gave no indication at the meeting that he knew him. Only people with certain clearances knew everything about this doctor.

I am confident Dulles knew Rome, one of the biggest names in American psychiatry, because Rome was also a clandestine consultant to the CIA’s top secret ARTICHOKE and MKULTRA programs. It was Rome who would provide the Warren Commission with the theory, backed by his psychiatric credentials, that Oswald killed the president in part so he, Oswald, could be seen as a “great man.” (For Dulles’ briefings on CIA’s Project ARTICHOKE, see footnote 3 below.)

According to journalist Tad Szulc at The New Republic (TNR), the session’s transcript was classified until 1971, but actually it was declassified in August 1968, according to a copy of the full executive session transcript that I have obtained. (See the end of this article for an embed link to download the entire 247 page document.)

This article continues my investigation into how the CIA controlled the psychiatric “expert'“ testimony provided to the Warren Commission. By itself, my findings constitute prima facie evidence of the CIA’s interest in controlling the findings of the Warren Commission. In combination with decades of research by others into the connections between Oswald and the CIA, the evidence linking the CIA with psychiatric experts who worked for the Warren Commission helps cement a clear-cut case of CIA interference in the official, initial investigation into JFK’s murder.1

Before I continue, I want to thank Dr. Casimir Klim for his willingness to provide some assistance for this article, including Rome’s CV, and also for his 2024 landmark article, published at Stat, which first described the connection between the CIA and the Mayo Clinic in the 1950s. The priority for that discovery is all his....

In October 2024, I wrote an article showing how the Warren Commission had hired two CIA-connected psychiatrists associated with St. Elizabeth’s Hospital. The first hire was Dr. Winfred Overholser, who had recently retired from his position as the long-time head of St. Elizabeth’s. When Overholser developed “complications from heart disease,” Cameron, his successor at the D.C. hospital, took his place as a psychiatric and/or medical consultant to the Commission. Overholser died on October 7, 1964, nine days after the public release of the 888-page Warren Report.

In my October 2024 article, I described how Overholser had links with the intelligence world going back to World War II, where he headed a secret “truth serum” study for the Office of Strategic Services. Additionally, and more to the point, both he and Cameron had been privy to secret agreements between the CIA and the hospital they led, agreements about the disposition of Agency patients. The impetus to hire Overholser apparently came from either John J. McCloy or Earl Warren, as discussed in my earlier article.

While like Overholser and Cameron, Dr. Rothstein was a government psychiatrist, he appears to have no known link to the CIA or the intelligence world. He got his job as psychiatric consultant to the WC after he wrote a letter to Warren Commission head, Chief Justice Earl Warren, describing his special expertise in the psychopathology of would-be presidential assassins, the knowledge of which he had gained from his position at MCFP. Rothstein interviewed ten patients who had been criminally committed to MCFP for, possibly among other things, threats to kill Kennedy and/or Eisenhower. He wrote up his findings in a paper, “The Presidential Assassination Syndrome"....

The third psychiatric member of the special group gathered at the July 9 meeting, Howard Rome, was not a government employee. He was a very prominent psychiatrist, who had just been elected to the presidency of the American Psychiatric Association, the premier psychiatric institution in the nation. (He had not yet assumed the office and was at this point APA’s “president-elect.”)

Interestingly, according to a copy of Howard Rome’s curriculum vitae, forwarded to me from Dr. Klim, Rome was a consultant to the Pentagon’s National Security Agency from 1965-1966. Perhaps this was a recall or clerical error by Rome when he was constructing his CV, assembled apparently sometime in the late 1970s, because according to the full transcript of the meeting with WC staff, Rome told the latter that he was at that time (July 1964) “a consult [sic] to the National Security Agency” (see PDF pg. 7). One wonders why the NSA needed a psychiatrist on staff.

I don’t know how Rome came to be a consultant for the Warren Commission. But one thing I do know, when he sat in that room for many hours with Allen Dulles, it’s highly probable that Dulles knew exactly who he was, that is, a consultant for the CIA’s top secret interrogation program, Project ARTICHOKE, and likely also MKULTRA itself.

The ARTICHOKE program, the successor to the CIA’s Bluebird project, expanded the the CIA’s Cold War interrogation experiments to include hypnotism, electric shock, LSD, barbiturates, amphetamines, and other substances, such as the purported “truth drug” Sodium Pentothal, with the aim of achieving total control over another human being. ARTICHOKE in particular was obsessed with creating amnesia in its subjects, which, as we have seen from the quote earlier in the article, Dr. Rome was apparently quite aware.

Further along, I will provide a sample of the kind of CIA ARTICHOKE and MKULTRA operations that Rome was briefed on and for which he provided input. A future article will explore the April 1955 CIA visit to the Mayo Clinic in far more detail.

Since I am making rather incredible claims in this article, I want to point out that this is not conspiracy theory. I am writing a serious history of events that happened 60-70 years ago. It is based on documentary evidence, and even more, unlike most such articles, I am also providing downloadable documents and/or links to the relevant evidence....

The psychiatric panel that advised the Warren Commission was part of a stealth cover-up of the real facts of the assassination, and a key component in the construction of the fable around Oswald’s motivation for the killing. This portion of the cover-up was godfathered by Allen Dulles, and probably John J. McCloy. Taken together with other revelations about CIA lies, evidence linking Oswald to intelligence agencies, and the activities of other CIA-linked actors surrounding both Oswald and his killer, Jack Ruby, the revelations about the intelligence origins of the primary psychiatric consultants to the Warren Commission demonstrates clear evidence of CIA intention to deceive the American public.

The evidence also shows how much the Warren Commission was performative, and its “investigation” a real-life instance of political theater.

As for the Mayo Clinic and the cooperation of key doctors and scientists with the CIA’s MKULTRA and ARTICHOKE programs, the only thing I can say in their defense is they weren’t alone in working with the CIA. That’s an important point to close with. The Mayo Clinic and University of Minnesota were only two institutions that contributed to the CIA’s work in these areas.

In 1977, testifying before both the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and a Senate Health subcommittee, then CIA Director Stansfield Turner revealed “that the C.I.A. had secretly supported human behavior control research at 80 institutions, including 44 colleges or universities as well as hospitals, prisons and pharmaceutical companies,” according to a New York Times article. This was probably an undercount.

-- For the rest of the article, including the hyperlinks and footnotes and downloadable declassified documents, please go to the full article at https://kayej.substack.com/p/historic-cia-artichoke-meeting-reveals

  And now the Fake Newser's want Trump crucified for blowing up drug boats. Who in their right mind can defend drug dealers? This is the same crooked outfit that has White Washed the JFK Assassination for 61+ yrs.

You, like so many others, have been zombified by sixty-six years (it started in 1959) of KGB* disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations waged against the U.S. and its NATO allies.

What do you think that for example this JFK assassination and all its "grassy knoll" and all theories like "single bullet" theories are if not DISINFORMATION and LIES to show United States people

I have look this Unites States media and FAKE NEWS a little bit and I can says that it is almost 100% LIES and FAKE NEWS published in reverse format and which goes all the way to these NTSB machinated airplane accidents which I investigate also and which you can read more in my facebook group, link below.



https://www.facebook.com/groups/1703775170209450

All these more than 100 airplane accidents on my list are machinated by the United States government, very similar to JFK assassination was carried out and as you see the list, there is only 3 accidents that I have declared as REAL ACCIDENTS and the rest of these are machinated and are actually a terrorist acts againts you own citizens and country and what this 911 plane crashes also was, with which George "911" Bush justified and get peoples approval for his afgan and irag wars and killed everyone who was against this, which meant the swedish foreign minister Anna Lindh, who was murdered byt this MAD DOG of United States, George "911" Bush at the same day as the 911 plane crashes was.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/11/georgewright

In other words Tom Graves, it is United States that do all these "moves" what you blame for KGB, FSB or whatever, and this has been the best alibi for all these years for Unites States government and which they spreads and publish through their own FAKE MEDIA and blaming Russia for all their own crimes and without no real evidence or facts and this can be seen at the best in Trumps election, where he blame Russias involment to their election procedures and which Trump did so that US people dont focus on their eyes on that in fact, United States has not elected Trump as their president not a single time, but he has been declared as the president of United States now on 2 times with FALSE ELECTION RESULTS.


How does Trump and his friends in senate do this

It is simple, you just show lots of these FAKE ASSASSINATION attempts and others and kept this guy in the tabloids of your own FAKE MEDIA and when the election comes, you just show the people of Unites States the WRONG and FALSE results, blame Russia for all and then declare yourself as president of Unites States and that´s it and ordinary people would believe this and their have to, because they cannot investigate in any way about was these elections FAIR or NOT and they have to accept the results that government whows them and this is much milder that assassinating sitting president in Dallas

In my I eyes as a independent crime reporter of Finland, I see ZERO possibility that you could organize peoples election as big as the United States has and quarantee, that IT HAS NO CHEAT and that it is fair.

And if somebody questions this, you just bark him as CONSPIRACY THEORISTS with these paid FAKE MEDIA journalists and that´s it

In my eyes, Unites States has not have FAIR ELECTION since Ballot Box 13 scandal and this is the truth about DEMOCRACY, which means LIES and FAKE NEWS and what we see in the case of JFK assassination also