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Here's the cover for the album. Or one version of it (there were 6 or 7 at least). The cover reads "The Actual Voices and Events of..."

There's nothing on the album or the insert (see below) indicating it was a re-creation or for "entertainment purposes". There a mix of actual reporting and broadcasts along with the Pate recreation which appears to be the only re-creation. And the Pate addition, again, is not indicated as being a re-creation.

Shorter: Yes, this is misleading if not dishonest.

     

You can listen to the above album here: https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13721143647/Keyf0oaeok6qxjn/kbox.jpg

If you go to the 21:00 mark, you can listen to the Pate account which is introduced by the narrator. Which is seamless. The narrator goes from the actual recording at Love Field to the re-creation.

Inserts for the album are here:
https://www.discogs.com/master/1300740-Reid-Collins-Four-Days-That-Shocked-The-World/image/SW1hZ2U6NDIxNDY5MDg=

And here:
https://www.discogs.com/master/1300740-Reid-Collins-Four-Days-That-Shocked-The-World/image/SW1hZ2U6NDIxNDY5MDk=

read the fine print;
"The actual voices and events of .... Nov. 22-25 1963"
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Who needs evidence when you just make things up?
You got me.  I just made up all this evidence and concocted all the fake sources (you can click on the cites to see how realistic those fake sources look):

"I would say to me it seemed like 3 or 4 seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess 2 seconds, they were very close together. It could have been more time between the first and second. I really can't be sure."  Pulitizer Prize winning photographer Robert Jackson 2 H 160.

"Yes, I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together. "  Linda Willis 7 H 498

"The second and third shot was pretty close together, but there was a short lapse there between the first and second shot." Luke Mooney, 3 H 282

"Mr. BELIN. And what about between the second and third?
Mr. CRAIG. Not more than 2 seconds. It was—they were real rapid." Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig, 6 H 263

"After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots--these were my impressions that day), a third shot was fired." U.S. Senator Ralph Yarborough, affidavit) 7 H 440

“There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots.” Forrest Sorrels 7 H 345.

“The Presidential vehicle was approximately 200 feet from the underpass when the first shot was fired, followed in quick succession by two more.I would estimate that all three shots were fired within 5 seconds. SA Wm. McIntyre 18 H 747

“I heard a shot and about 7 seconds later another shot and approximately 2 or 3 seconds later a third shot”.  Sheriff's Deputy Allan Sweatt 19 H 531.

“I heard three shots. One, then a slight pause, then two very close together”. Lee Bowers 6 H 287.

“The last two were closer than the first. In other words, it was the first, and then a pause, and then the other two were real close.” Haygood 6 H 298

“The second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one, and followed very quickly by the third one”. Crawford 6 H 172.  (He also confirms that the VP security car had completed the turn when the first shot was heard.)

"Q    How much time elapsed from the time you heard the second noise until your heard the third noise?
A    When I heard the second noise, the third was followed nearly just right back to back. It was fired in rapid succession." Buell Wesley Frazier, in his 1969 testimony at the Clay Shaw trial (Transcript, State of Louisiana v. Clay L. Shaw Trial, Feb 13, 1969, afternoon, page 27-28, part of the HSCA JFK Collection, Ex. RG 233).

and that's not all. I made up many more.
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Here's the cover for the album that included the Pate re-creation (if we can it that; it was all made up not re-created). Or one version of it (there were 6 or 7 at least). The cover reads "The Actual Voices and Events of..."

There's nothing on the album or the insert (see below) indicating it was a re-creation or for "entertainment purposes". There's a mix of mostly actual reporting/broadcasts along with the Pate recreation which appears to be the only "re-creation". And the Pate addition, again, is not indicated or introduced as being fictitious.

Shorter: Yes, this is misleading if not dishonest.

     

You can listen to the above album here: https://www.drivehq.com/file/DFPublishFile.aspx/FileID13721143647/Keyf0oaeok6qxjn/kbox.jpg

If you go to the 21:00 mark, you can listen to the Pate account which is introduced by the narrator. Which is seamless. The narrator goes from the actual recording at Love Field to the re-creation.

Inserts for the album are here:
https://www.discogs.com/master/1300740-Reid-Collins-Four-Days-That-Shocked-The-World/image/SW1hZ2U6NDIxNDY5MDg=

And here:
https://www.discogs.com/master/1300740-Reid-Collins-Four-Days-That-Shocked-The-World/image/SW1hZ2U6NDIxNDY5MDk=


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That's not a credible reply...

Lovelady told Jarman he saw the cop at the front door stop Oswald and make him go back inside the Lobby...

Your answer isn't believable because they spent so much time and investigation on everything else...

No...The reason why they made no effort to investigate Oswald's leaving the Depository is because they did not want to open up the Pandora's Box of Lee stumbling in to the SE stairs side of the Lobby at the same time Harvey was at the front door...Harvey panicked and tried to leave through the front door...Lovelady then saw the un-named cop stop Harvey and pull him back in to the Lobby...Lee pulled a U-Turn at the base of the SE stairs and hid in the Utility closet where he was later seen by Campbell...Lovelady planted this lie with Jarman because he was trying to cover-up the fact Shelley saw what was going on and intervened as Oswald's "Superintendent"...Shelley then led Harvey out the Loading Dock and around the police detention...This is what Stone and DiEugenio should have presented to Luna, not the already-refuted Prayer Man theory...

Holmes heard it from Oswald's own mouth at the Police Station on Sunday...Your calling it hearsay is just your desperation to deny the obvious...



The reason there was zero evidence is because the investigating authorities covered it up...Covering-up and disappearing information allows nay-sayers to come back later and declare there's no evidence...It wasn't outside the Depository...It was at the front door when Harvey panicked and tried to bolt out right under the nose of the cop because Lee blundered in to the other side of the Lobby...(I'm solving the puzzle in the Depository here)...People are ignoring it under the excuse that my reputation precedes me...

Unless you have record of Lovelady saying he saw that happen, it is hearsay. IOW a rumor.

The fact that you think Harvey and Lee were two different people reveals just how nutty you are.
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Kamp is being re-introduced to The Education Forum in a full Andrew Iler-endorsed glittering Cinderella carriage...The other ROKC knuckleheads are piling out of that glorified clown car and on to the forum...DiEugenio is his sponsoring Lord straight back from selling the Prayer Man hoax to Congress...
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Neither if them witnessed that. They were repeating hearsay,
They knew Oswald left the front of the building end headed east on Elm St. where he boarded a bus. Do you think chasing down rumors based on hearsay would change that fact?
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Why do you treat rumors as if they are compelling evidence?


That's not a credible reply...

Lovelady told Jarman he saw the cop at the front door stop Oswald and make him go back inside the Lobby...

Your answer isn't believable because they spent so much time and investigation on everything else...

No...The reason why they made no effort to investigate Oswald's leaving the Depository is because they did not want to open up the Pandora's Box of Lee stumbling in to the SE stairs side of the Lobby at the same time Harvey was at the front door...Harvey panicked and tried to leave through the front door...Lovelady then saw the un-named cop stop Harvey and pull him back in to the Lobby...Lee pulled a U-Turn at the base of the SE stairs and hid in the Utility closet where he was later seen by Campbell...Lovelady planted this lie with Jarman because he was trying to cover-up the fact Shelley saw what was going on and intervened as Oswald's "Superintendent"...Shelley then led Harvey out the Loading Dock and around the police detention...This is what Stone and DiEugenio should have presented to Luna, not the already-refuted Prayer Man theory...

Holmes heard it from Oswald's own mouth at the Police Station on Sunday...Your calling it hearsay is just your desperation to deny the obvious...


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If? There was zero evidence a cop stopped him outside the TSBD. Do you think rumors constitute evidence?


The reason there was zero evidence is because the investigating authorities covered it up...Covering-up and disappearing information allows nay-sayers to come back later and declare there's no evidence...It wasn't outside the Depository...It was at the front door when Harvey panicked and tried to bolt out right under the nose of the cop because Lee blundered in to the other side of the Lobby...(I'm solving the puzzle in the Depository here)...People are ignoring it under the excuse that my reputation precedes me...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 04:38:36 PM »
I've tried to have an open mind about your posts because your reputation sure does precede you, and not in a good way. But now I'm sad to see that you apparently believe in the incomprehensible John Armstrong "Harvey and Lee" theory involving Lee and Marguerite Oswald doppelgangers? Is that correct?


Armstrong's chapter on Westbrook, the Tippit shooting, and the Texas Theater is genius and cracks the case...Unfortunately Armstrong is stubborn and insists on having Lovelady inside turning the electricity off when he is out fast-walking up the extension...Hargrove apologized to me for Armstrong's embarrassing stubborn-ness...

As to my reputation preceding me...I am the researcher who handed the Prayer Man people their butts so badly that they were forced to go low and destroy their own credibility with banning and censorship...They still haven't admitted Prayer Man is Stanton - so that is what is not good...

DiEugenio proxy Iler has now opened the door to the Prayer Man/ROKC nuts over on The Education Forum...Looks like Gordon's delinquency was used to take advantage and allow the internet clique to buy The Education Forum Trump style...
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Yes. He fired the last two shots in rapid succession. Now if only we had evidence of that occurring….

Who needs evidence when you just make things up?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The girl in blue
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:02:53 PM »
     All of us have no idea regarding the loudness of the DPD Motorcycles in the motorcade. I am Not aware of witnesses claiming of having to yell in order to communicate with friends standing next to them. Sure, motorcycles make noise. So do gas powered lawnmowers. So what? Personally, I believe if the sound of these motorcycles was that loud, at some point, there woulda been a class action lawsuit with respect to ear damage. Describing the sound of these motorcycles on Elm St as a "Roar" is another JFK Urban Legend. Also, I have Not viewed a DPD Motorcycle, "ACCELERATING out of the sharp turn...". This is yet another exaggeration/JFK Urban Legend in the making.

Do you think any vehicle is going to go around a 110 degree turn at the same speed as it would on a straightaway or do you think it would speed up coming out of the turn?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The girl in blue
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 03:49:44 PM »
I have to confess, I had never heard of this woman until reading this thread. I appreciate it when a witness expresses ambiguity regarding something she is unsure of, which is the first shot.
For some reason, that first shot seemed to have a different sound than the succeeding shots which might explain why many didn't recognize it as the sound of a gunshot. Some have suggested the first shot was fired with the rifle muzzle inside the building instead of extended out of the window as it was for the last two shots. My own belief is the roar of four motorcycles accelerating out of the sharp turn had a lot to do with partially muffling that first shot. Her account is consistent with the first shot missing and the next two hitting JFK.

     All of us have no idea regarding the loudness of the DPD Motorcycles in the motorcade. I am Not aware of witnesses claiming of having to yell in order to communicate with friends standing next to them. Sure, motorcycles make noise. So do gas powered lawnmowers. So what? Personally, I believe if the sound of these motorcycles was that loud, at some point, there woulda been a class action lawsuit with respect to ear damage. Describing the sound of these motorcycles on Elm St as a "Roar" is another JFK Urban Legend. Also, I have Not viewed a DPD Motorcycle, "ACCELERATING out of the sharp turn...". This is yet another exaggeration/JFK Urban Legend in the making.
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