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I’d be surprised if the forum doesn’t re‑emerge within a few days, given that Andrew Iler has reported locating Gordon (with help from a professional people‑tracking service) and that Gordon has indicated he’s willing to help.
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Education Forum has not been paying it's bills and the "owner" James Gordon just pretty much disappeared. And Envision who hosts the site will not let anyone other than James Gordon pay the bills!

So Education Forum went Poof! as of June 20, 2026 and it will stay that way until James Gordon reopens it ... assuming of course that James Gordon is actually alive.
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I suppose you think knowledge about Departments D and 14 is important.

You would, too, if you weren't a zombified-by-KGB-disinformation Trump supporter.

Ever heard of Sun Tzu-loving Artur Artuzov?

"Operation Trust"?

KGB General Ivan Agayants?

KGB General Aleksandr Shelepin?

KGB General Oleg Gribanov -- the guy who sent false-defector-in-place Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva in June 1962 to protect moles in the CIA / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. Nosenko in January 1964?

Tennent H. Bagley's 1994-on friend and teacher, KGB General Sergey Kondrashev?

https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781628735437/spymaster/



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I was reading this story online and I found one paragraph particularly interesting:

"The problem wasn't simply that people disliked the verdict. The problem was that witness accounts didn't always match. Some statements changed over time. Certain details conflicted with physical evidence. Different people seemed to remember the night differently. The more reporters examined the story, the less straightforward it appeared."

Sound familiar. We've all seen the same issues raised over and over again in this forum. Only this story wasn't about the JFKA. It was about the suicide of actor George Reeves, TV's Superman in 1959. Despite this being an open and shut case of suicide, some people didn't want to accept the obvious answer. They continued to search for an alternate explanation and conspiracy theories grew out of it. The public lost interest in this story a long time ago but for many years, people interested in the case refused to believe it was a simple a case as the investigators determined. The convinced themselves there had to be more to it, just as JFKA CTs have done for decades.
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Here is a photo of the hole in the rear of Gov. JBC's assassination-day suit. The hole was also enlarged to test fibers for metallic traces.



To be sure, if JBC's back was not at a 90-degree angle to the entering bullet, then you get a tendency to some elliptical or ovoid shaping of the bullet hole, even if the bullet is not tumbling. Different cloths react differently to bullets.

This angle-of-entry is also why JBC had a north-south ovoid wound in his back. The bullet struck JBC on a downward path. Moreover, if JBC was leaning back at the time he was struck, the angle of entry would be even steeper, enlarging the original would.

Still, most convincing is the small round entry round hole in JBC's assassination day shirt. How a tumbling bullet squirted through that small round hole in JBC's shirt is...well, a reasonable question. 

My take is Gov. JBC was struck by a straight, unimpeded shot from the TSBD6 sniper window, or close thereto, and that is also the sentiment of his surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw. 

But hey, each to his own.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

My take is Gov. JBC was struck by a straight, unimpeded shot from the TSBD6 sniper window, or close thereto, and that is also the sentiment of his surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw. 

Mr. SPECTER - As to the wound on the back of Governor Connally, was there any indication that the bullet was tumbling prior to the time it struck him?
Dr. SHAW - I would only have to say that I'm not a ballistics expert, but the wound on his chest was not a single puncture wound, it was long enough so that there might have been some tumbling.

A separate shot with a nose on impact would be result in a different set of wound descriptions. The bullet was tumbling to produce the wounds described by DR Shaw. SBT is the only answer.
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Oh, I agree. The issue is that Lance Payette not only pretends to be an expert but goes to the extreme of questioning the mental capacity and integrity of anyone who disagrees with him, including genuine experts who've been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals and who've been studying the JFK case for years.

Recently he accused Dr. David Mantik of being a "character" who sees things that no one else sees, when in fact many scholars have endorsed Dr. Mantik's research and when Dr. Mantik is one of the most highly qualified experts to ever examine the JFK case. Payette also recently made unsavory attacks against Greg Doudna, one of the most honest, respected, and careful JFKA researchers of all time, accusing him of having "loose screws," of being part of the "lunatic fringe," and of not caring if his argument "makes sense."

Such unseemly verbiage is considered inexcusable and juvenile even coming from a genuine expert; it is even more discrediting and inexcusable coming from an amateur who hasn't published a single book or article on the case and who doesn't even maintain a website on the subject.

You just accused someone else of being an amateur??? My irony meter is starting to smoke. I think you fried the motherboard with that statement.

Just what do you think you have accomplished over the past 35 years of pontificating on the JFKA. Your BS hasn't improved one iota. It has just become more voluminous. 50 years from now, nobody will even know or care about your efforts. For that matter, few people even care now.
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"TDS! TDS! TDS!" -- the lame sound of a zombified-by-KGB-disinformation Trump supporter -- not unlike the hissing of a large carrion-eating possum.

You've never even heard of Sun Tzu, have you, Corbett,

Actually, I have a copy of The Art of War attributed to him although there is some debate as to whether Sun Tzu was a real person or whether The Art of War was written by one man or was a collection of military principles established over time in ancient China.
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much less Department D in the First Chief Directorate and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate.

I suppose you think that is important.

It's a real shame that every year the federal government spends billions of dollars on cancer research but not a dime for TDS. I don't think there is much hope of finding a cure for your ailment.
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LP--

Even with 9/11 banned, the crackpots would worm in there with the "Mossad perped the JFKA and RFKA" theorizing, or comparing what JFK would have done with LBJ, and all the presidents since, all of whom answered to Tel Aviv and not US voters, and all of whom were compromised by Jews. 

James DiEugenio evens subscribes to lunatic narratives fabricated by Joan Mellen, that Israel intentionally tried to false-flag sink the USS Liberty so that LBJ could say Egypt did it, and LBJ had four jets armed with a-bombs en route to Cairo...but the USS Liberty did not sink, so the a-bomb attack was called off. This gets nuttier when Mellen asserts the captain of the USS Liberty was in on the gag. The National Enquirer would balk at this crap.

The EF CT'ers are so demented it almost makes me an LNT'er on the spot. This is my milieu? P.U. 
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The shot actually passed through both men at z222/223.
I wonder what someone like Benjamin Cole has to say about all this?

To me, jiggle analysis of the Z-film is the best way to determine when the single bullet struck. All of the calculations below are based on approximations because that is sufficient for this exercise.

We can start with the headshot because that is the most obvious to pinpoint. The distance from the sniper's nest to JFK's head was 88 yards(264 feet). At an average velocity of 2000 fps, it would have taken 0.132 seconds for the bullet to reach JFK's head. Each frame of the Z-film covers 0.0564 seconds. That works out to approximately 2.34 frames of the Zapruder film meaning the bullet would have been fired in the Z310-311 window. There was an obvious camera jiggle and Z318, meaning there was a lag time of 7-8 frames from the time the bullet was fired to the time Zapruder reacted to the muzzle blast.

Since the distance from the rifle to Zapruder's ears was a constant for all three shots, we should expect a similar lag time for all 3 shots. There is an obvious jiggle at Z227. Applying the same 7-8 frame lag time between the shot and the reaction, that would indicate Oswald fired the single bullet in the Z219-220 time frame. The distance from the rifle to JFK at that time was roughly 190 feet. Using the same estimated average velocity of 2000 fps, it would have taken .095 seconds for the bullet to reach JFK's back. That is 1.68 frames so a bullet fired at Z219-220 would likely have struck in he Z221-222 time frame. That would have been 2-3 frames before JBC's jacket bulged out and 4-5 frames before both JFK and JBC flipped their arms upwards. This all seems very reassonable to me.
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The Ed Forum is once again offline, although it certainly appears from the discussions that they anticipate being able to salvage it ("salvage" being the operative term when what you are saving is a wreck  :D). James Gordon is my new hero for all the trouble he has managed to cause. If they would simply say "Absolutely no more references to non-JFKA topics, specifically 9/11," they would improve things by 97% - and Niederwacky would banned the first day, which would improve things an additional 2.9%.
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