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I am at a loss because the research community is geared towards dishonesty and hiding of evidence...

Sandy Larsen decided to delete his excellent photo analysis of Lovelady's plaid pattern because I told him it proved the timing of when Frazier was talking to Stanton...Larsen took one look at Couch/Darnell and realized Frazier was talking to Prayer Man at that moment and that he had refuted himself...So instead of admitting I was correct Larsen took the low route and deleted his analysis of Lovelady's plaid pattern...

This is the research community Iler now enforces and no one said a word when Larsen deleted his own proof...
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One sign that this was a recreation and not a recording of the actual broadcast is that there are 16 seconds between the time Pate says, "The President's car is now turning onto Elm Street..." and he says, "...It appears something has happened in the motorcade route...". There is no way there were 16 seconds between JFK's car turning onto Elm St. and the shooting starting. In fact there were only 9.8 seconds from the time Zapruder resumed filming until the headshot.

   Yeah, sure it's Bogus. Nothing new there. But why was the "16" seconds gap chosen? 
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Anyone wanting to read up on the assassination would be wise to read at least one objective book on JFK's presidency and not this nonsensical conspiracist history that portrays JFK as someone who didn't believe in the Cold War/containment policies. He was an anti-communist not an anti- anti-communist. The Douglas portrayal of JFK, which I think is the dominant view of him among the conspiracy Left, is a fantasy, make believe, an imaginary Kennedy.

The idea that he was just going to walk away from South Vietnam, abandon it, that he was going normalize relations with Castro (the Kennedys wanted him dead, period), that he didn't believe that the Soviets and Chinese and others were an existential threat to the West is just hooey. He believed in containment and that the West was threatened by the East.

JFK in the speech he was to make in Dallas before Oswald shot him:

"About 70 percent of our military assistance goes to nine key countries located on or near the borders of the Communist bloc – nine countries confronted directly or indirectly with the threat of Communist aggression – Viet-Nam, Free China, Korea, India, Pakistan, Thailand, Greece, Turkey, and Iran. No one of these countries possesses on its own the resources to maintain the forces which our own Chiefs of Staff think needed in the common interest. Reducing our efforts to train, equip, and assist their armies can only encourage Communist penetration and require in time the increased overseas deployment of American combat forces."

That's not just political boilerplate, something to dismiss; it's someone who believes in containment not someone who wants to abandon it. 

Here's a good book on his presidency:

 
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JFK's legacy has been hijacked by many, so it is good to remember President Kennedy in his own words, and writing.

In this letter to South Vietnam President Ngo Dinh Diem, written late December 1961, Kennedy pledges US support for South Vietnam and notes the "deliberate savagery of the communist programs of assassination, kidnapping and wanton violence."

JFK added that "the campaign of force and terror now being waged against your people and your Government is supported and directed from outside by the authorities at Hanoi."

JFK ardently opposed communism and terror in 1961, and would until his death.

Had JFK survived, he would have not changed in these regards.

The letter: 


Dear Mr. President,

“I have received your recent letter in which you described so cogently the dangerous conditions caused by North Vietnam’s effort to take over your country. The situation in your embattled country is well known to me and to the American people. We have been deeply disturbed by the assault on your country. Our indignation has mounted as the deliberate savagery of the communist programs of assassination, kidnapping and wanton violence became clear.

Your letter underlines what our own information has convincingly shown – that the campaign of force and terror now being waged against your people and your Government is supported and directed from outside by the authorities at Hanoi. They have thus violated the provisions of the Geneva Accords designed to ensure peace in Vietnam and to which they bound themselves in 1954.

At that time, the United States, although not a party to the Accords, declared that it “would view any renewal of the aggression in violation of the Agreements with grave concern and as seriously threatening international peace and security”. We continue to maintain that view.

In accordance with that declaration, and in response to your request, we are prepared to help the Republic of Vietnam to protect its people and to preserve its independence. We shall promptly increase our assistance to your defense effort as well as help relieve the destruction of the floods which you describe. I have already given the orders to get these programs underway.

The United States, like the Republic of Vietnam, remains devoted to the cause of peace and our primary purpose is to help your people maintain their independence. If the Communist authorities in North Vietnam will stop their campaign to destroy the Republic of Vietnam, the measures we are taking to assist your defense efforts will no longer be necessary. We shall seek to persuade the Communists to give up their attempts to force and subversion. In any case, we are confident that the Vietnamese people will preserve their independence and gain the peace and prosperity for which they have sought so hard and so long.”

Signed,
John F. Kennedy
December 14th 1961
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Just a few observations about Oswald's revolver.

It was originally produced by Smith and Wesson in conjunction with the Lend Lease Act and designated as the “Victory” Military-Police (M&P) model .38, a variant of the long popular S&W Model 10. In accordance with the contract with the British, it was chambered in the British .38-200, which had a slightly large bullet diameter than the .38 Special the original Model 10 was chambered for. The bullet diameter was .361 inches as opposed to .357 inches for the .38 Special. The 200 was in reference to the bullet weight of 200 grains. Originally these were lead bullets, but in accordance with the Hague Convention, FMJ versions of the .38-200 were produced for use during WWII. A the end of the war, these handguns were returned to the US and were rechambered for .38 Special but the barrels still had a diameter of .361 inches while the .38 Special diameter was .357 inches. For this reason, that .004 inch difference between the bullet diameter and the barrel diameter prevented the bullets Oswald fired into J. D. Tippit from making consistent markings on the bullet and therefore could not be positively matched to the revolver. However, the firing pin did make a consistent mark on the shells which allowed the shells Oswald discarded as he left the scene of the shooting to be positively matched to the revolver which Oswald had in his possession when arrested a short time later.
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Bob Jackson is 92 and living in Manitou Springs, Colorado. Why don’t you ask him yourself?  Ask him how well he remembers the spacing of the shots.

If he didn't recall the shooting correctly at the time it happened, what reason is there to think he would get it right almost 63 years later?
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 Why is that a question?.

Because Roger Craig was a nutcase.
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How does your speculation about what the shots sounded like prove anything?

It doesn't nor do the divergent recollections of the people you cited. Eye and ear witnesses don't prove anything unless you can corroborate their recollections are accurate. The Z-film would be a good place to start but that tells us a story different from the one you would rather believe.
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His estimation of time is likely poor.

Yes it is, an indication of how badly witnesses can recall an event. If witnesses could reliably recall an event, there would be a clear consensus among the ones you cited but that is clearly the not the case. They vary greatly in their estimate of how closely spaced the last two shots were. But you think that because they all agreed that the last two shots were closer together than the first two, it somehow establishes that as a fact, even though there were other witnesses who said the shots were evenly spaced and still others who said the first two shots were closer together. None of these opinions prove anything except that relying heavily on witnesses is a poor way to determine what happened.
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But even a first shot 9 or 10 seconds before the head shot, which is what you are suggesting, puts the second shot no earlier than z258 according to Sweatt.

So you cite one more unreliable witness to make your point. Why?
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Steve Roe's Second Interview with the Sixth Floor Museum

Steve Roe, a good friend of mine, was interviewed by Stephen Fagin of the Sixth Floor Museum.
He had donated a copy of the magazine that contained the ad that Lee Harvey Oswald used to order his .38 Smith & Wesson revolver.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/steve-roe-s-second-oral-history-interview-with-the-sixth-floor-museum
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Probably because he mixed the sounds of the shots with their echoes and sorta hallucinated that it was two seconds.
Bob Jackson is 92 and living in Manitou Springs, Colorado. Why don’t you ask him yourself?  Ask him how well he remembers the spacing of the shots.
 
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Okay.

Roger Craig?
Why is that a question?.

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Which proves that even a U.S. Senator can be confused by the echoes of Dealey Plaza.

Secret Service Agents, too.
How does your speculation about what the shots sounded like prove anything?
 
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18 H 747 ?

You meant to say 18 H, CE 1024, page 747.
The correct citation is 18 H 747.  It is from CE1024.

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Seven seconds?
His estimation of time is likely poor. But even a first shot 9 or 10 seconds before the head shot, which is what you are suggesting, puts the second shot no earlier than z258 according to Sweatt.
 
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2) He thought the Secret Service car was "a yellow closed sedan" that was behind LBJ's car!
What colour do yo think it was? It looked yellowish to me in the Hughes film.  It was officially yellow according to Google:


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He also said he saw Oswald walking towards him down the Elm Street sidewalk about five minutes after the assassination.
You don’t think Oswald walked away from the TSBD a few minutes after?
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Even among those who thought the last two shots were closer together, there is a wide divergence of opinion as to how close they were.
So much for the reliability of the earwitnesses to accurately recall the spacing of the shots.
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