JFK Assassination Forum

I mean my observation that JBC's jacket suddenly bulged out at Z224 and two frames later both JFK and JBC both suddenly flipped their arms upward in perfect unison. After which JFK is seen leaning forward and to his left with his hands up around his throat and JBC doubles over and dips to his right, gyrates in his seat for a few more seconds before collapsing into Nellie's lap. Yeah, that interpretation. So what's your interpretation of that sequence?

The film doesn’t tell you what is happening, other than JFK is reacting to his neck wound.  I can’t tell what JBC is reacting to without referring to other evidence. Nellie, and 20 others said that JFK reacted like that to the first shot and the evidence is pretty consistent that JBC was hit in the back on the second shot. JBC said he turned around after the first shot to look at JFK. Nellie said she did not look in the back seat after the second shot.  She is looking at JFK up to z265. Altgens said his z255 #6 photo was taken after the first and before any other shots. Hickey said he was looking at JFK when the second and third shots occurred.  He is facing rearward at z255.

An the shot pattern explicitly recalled by over 40 people says there was only one shot to that point.

So I suggest that JBC is reacting the way he said he reacted after hearing the first shot.

It was a closer to 8.

So you are in a better position than Itek to opine on this?

David Powers was filming from the QM directly behind the JFK limo. We can see the left side of JBC's torso.  The jump seat was 6 inches inboard from the side of the car and JBC would likely have been centered in that seat, not on the right side of it.

The scale drawing of the car shows the seat to be 2.5 inches inboard:


But even 6 inches is not enough. JFK’s spine had to have been 8 inches from the inside if he had his ribs pressed against the side, which he didn’t (his right arm its extended out from his shoulder).   That would put JBC’s back wound about an inch right of JFK’s midline. It needs to be at least 6 inches farther left because of the right to left path.

You're forgetting that JBC had rotated his shoulders to the right which changes the geometry and moves the entry point on his back a few inches to the left. Again, you fail to factor in JBC's torso rotation.

He doesn’t look rotated at z224. Maybe 30 degrees at most. That moves it left by 8(1-cos30)=8(.134)=1.1 inches.

Faulty premises lead to faulty conclusions. I find Dale Myers virtual 3D rendition far more impressive than your chicken scratches. His simulation shows the wounds line up perfectly for a shot from the sniper's nest.

Myers refuses to disclose his data, such as the angle from the SN that he uses, or the distance of JFK’s exit wound from the back wound of JBC.  So it is not possible to really say if it is accurate. Good graphics are only worth that data they are based on.

Not surprised your judgment on this subject is as poor as your photo analysis. This guy steals evidence from US government committees, profits by the thousands in including said evidence in his books and makes a complete fool out of himself in front of the ARRB and the OJ Simpson trial? This is the guy you give a free pass? Crazy.

   I don't give Groden a "free pass". You're "Storing Derangement Syndrome" (SDS) is in full bloom. Around here he is known as "5 Fingers" Groden, "Mr Kinko's", and other less than flattering nick names. That said, I still look at whatever he proffers knowing what I am dealing with. It's like using the drive-thru at "Jack in the Box". You know you need to check what's inside the bag Before pulling away from the window.

I think a lot of you are forgetting how tough it was to get any JFK Assassination information back before Lifton's "Best Evidence". Accurate or not, clean or on-the-sly, Groden was providing JFK Assassination information and images. Groden was moving the ball forward, (and sometimes backward), when getting any JFK Assassination information was an extremely difficult thing to do. Before the Internet, before Email, etc. Groden should get credit for keeping the JFK Assassination Inquiry alive. Without Groden, Oliver Stone's "JFK" may have been DOA.

Not surprised your judgment on this subject is as poor as your photo analysis. This guy steals evidence from US government committees, profits by the thousands in including said evidence in his books and makes a complete fool out of himself in front of the ARRB and the OJ Simpson trial? This is the guy you give a free pass? Crazy.

Jimmy Darnell Colourised Film And Phil Willis Slide

 Prayer Man Or Prayer Woman? You Decide

Thanks for posting this colorized Darnell Film snippet.
There's a lot to examine here. I am looking at your posting of this over on "You Tube". Among many things, this snippet makes clear that there is very little Backside/Elm St Extension side of the Island. What we are seeing on the Wiegman Film, behind Fedora Man and the people standing alongside him, is the unoccupied surface of the Elm St Extension. The Wiegman Film clearly shows NO CAR parked alongside the Island. NOT YET!