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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 11:10:17 PM »
The injuries from the bullets were not the same. Why? Different ammo + different guns. No injury was remotely similar to the JFK exploding head.

Dear Comrade Storing,

JFK's head (like yours except his had a rational brain) was a comprised-of-bone sphere, and when the high-velocity bullet penetrated its thickest part in the lower-rear, said bullet fragmented into at least three largish pieces. These fragments built up so much pressure inside his skull as they travelled through his brain that it caused fractures in his skull, and as a result much of the right side of his brain was forcefully expelled through the weakened top-right section.

Which of course was a very, very different result from that caused by the only other bullet that passed through either man: CE-399 when it passed through JFK's and JBC's chests and hit only one bone in the process: JBC's 5th rib.

-- Tom

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  On the Paschall Film, did you see a dark figure moving quickly L-R in the Zapruder Perch area? I'm not sure what you were able to see on the Paschall copy you examined.
  Regarding the Bell Film still frame you have posted, to my eye, I am seeing the Back of this fuzzy dark figure. How am I to tell if this figure is in a high "low" position when looking directly at the Back?

Do you have a link to a good Paschall Film? I can't find anything...

I did present this very image to ChatGPT and asked:
Do you see two similar figures in the posture of holding rifles?
Here's the response:
Yes — I can describe the visual similarity without identifying anyone.
Looking at the two images:
Left Image (blurry figure)
The figure appears to be standing with feet apart.
The upper body seems angled slightly forward.
The arms look positioned as if holding something long and horizontal across the torso.
The bright patch near the hands could resemble hands on an object.
Because the image is extremely blurry and indistinct, no definite object can be confirmed — only that the arm and hand positions resemble someone holding a long object.
Right Image (clear figure)
The person is clearly holding a rifle in a ready or aiming posture.
Feet apart, torso leaned forward slightly.
Arms bent at similar angles to control a long object.
Comparison
The general posture—feet apart, torso slightly forward, arms positioned as if supporting a long object—is similar between the two figures.
However, the left image is too blurry to determine whether the person is actually holding a rifle or anything else, only that the posture resembles the stance of someone holding a long object across the body.


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Checked the Paschall lead... Cannot find a clear copy...

Indeed... This fellow shows up very likely within one minute of the kill shot...

Again, military personnel and swat and seal teams will recognize the profile and posture of a shooter in high "low" ready position... who is perhaps using his scope to "assess damage"...
This should change the conversation a bit... regardless of all the junior high put downs from a member or two...
AND it should raise a few questions regarding Zapruder and company in that exact area... before, during and after the kill shot...




  On the Paschall Film, did you see a dark figure moving quickly L-R in the Zapruder Perch area? I'm not sure what you were able to see on the Paschall copy you examined.
  Regarding the Bell Film still frame you have posted, to my eye, I am seeing the Back of this fuzzy dark figure. How am I to tell if this figure is in a high "low" position when looking directly at the Back? 
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    The Bell Film still frame that you posted is time stamped to be under 1 minute after the Kill Shot. As I mentioned earlier, there is a blurry dark figure in motion near the Zapruder Perch on the Patsy Paschall Film. That film also shows the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass for help in time stamping this blurry dark figure. Examine the Paschall Film blurry dark figure and try to sync it up to your Bell Film still frame. This will tell you if these figures timelines match-up or not. There are many very poor copies of the Paschall Film out there. You need to find the best Paschall Film copy you can come up with. To save you some time, the Paschall photo library posted on this forum will not help.   

Checked the Paschall lead... Cannot find a clear copy...

Indeed... This fellow shows up very likely within one minute of the kill shot...

Again, military personnel and swat and seal teams will recognize the profile and posture of a shooter in high "low" ready position... who is perhaps using his scope to "assess damage"...
This should change the conversation a bit... regardless of all the junior high put downs from a member or two...
AND it should raise a few questions regarding Zapruder and company in that exact area... before, during and after the kill shot...


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Yes, these people are the main people involving the JFK assassination:
- LYNDON B JOHNSON
- JOHN CONNALLY
- JACK DOUGHERTY "the shooter"
- WESLEY BUELL FRAZIER
- OSWALD
- BILL NEWMAN
- ROY TRULY
- WILLIAM SHELLEY
- VICTORIA ADAMS
- SANDRA STYLES
- MARION BAKER
- HOWARD BRENNAN
- WILLIAM W WHALEY
- UMBRELLA MAN
- ALL WHO WORKED IN TSBD AT THE TIME

And many other, but I focus these on my other video, called EYEWITNESSES

There we have it, folks. The most absolutely ridiculous post I have ever seen on this forum. Congratulations, Raine Hannula!
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He is smearing and defaming people, some still alive (like Frazier), and the conspiracy crowd comes to his defense.

These people sit behind their computers all day, have done nothing with their lives, and accuse all sorts of people of horrific crimes. Murder, conspiracy to murder, perjury, obstruction of justice. Of murdering the President: essentially treason.

Do they care about what they are saying? Not, it's like some weird game.

They think it's up to others to *disprove* their claims. That's because they are conspiracy believers not neutral observers. They have it backwards, something they are good at doing: getting things upside down. It's up to them to prove their claims not others to disprove it.

   Frazier was and still is a very unreliable eyewitness. Using him as an example of someone being smeared/defamed only damages your case. Frazier now is claiming that as a teenager he almost punched out Capt. Will Fritz and also saw Oswald walking down the Houston St side of the TSBD after the kill shot. He's gone. 
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  The injuries from the bullets were not the same. Why? Different Ammo + Different Guns. No injury was remotely similar to the JFK Exploding Head.
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Let's quote Kellerman. Here he is on the "flurry of shells":

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.

I would think that a bullet fragment hitting the chrome over the windshield and another fragment hitting the windshield would sound like a "flurry" of shots/shells. Plus, as he later said he was splattered with blood from the wound to JFK's head. Which wouldn't have happened if the wound blew out the back of JFK's head and not the top/right. But that's another story.

In any case, he says the "flurry of shells" was "two."

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm

That's true, but then we have another area of spray towards the rear and left.
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He is smearing and defaming people, some still alive (like Frazier), and the conspiracy crowd comes to his defense.

These people sit behind their computers all day, have done nothing with their lives, and accuse all sorts of people of horrific crimes. Murder, conspiracy to murder, perjury, obstruction of justice. Of murdering the President: essentially treason.

Do they care about what they are saying? Not, it's like some weird game.

They think it's up to others to *disprove* their claims. That's because they are conspiracy believers not neutral observers. They have it backwards, something they are good at doing: getting things upside down. It's up to them to prove their claims not others to disprove it.

Yes, these people are the main people involving the JFK assassination:
- LYNDON B JOHNSON
- JOHN CONNALLY
- JACK DOUGHERTY "the shooter"
- WESLEY BUELL FRAZIER
- OSWALD
- BILL NEWMAN
- ROY TRULY
- WILLIAM SHELLEY
- VICTORIA ADAMS
- SANDRA STYLES
- MARION BAKER
- HOWARD BRENNAN
- WILLIAM W WHALEY
- UMBRELLA MAN
- ALL WHO WORKED IN TSBD AT THE TIME

And many other, but I focus these on my other video, called EYEWITNESSES

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As seen in the extant Zapruder film, the first shot was fired at Z145-155.

The first hit was fired at Z186-190.

Regarding the first shot evident in the Zapruder film:

• There is a noticeable blur episode at around Z158.

• Connally starts to turn his head rapidly to the right at Z162.

• Several witnesses said the first shot was fired during the limo's turn onto Elm Street or just after it completed the turn.

• A 10-year-old girl named Rosemary Willis, running along the grass to the left of the limousine, begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. When she was an adult, Ms. Willis explained that she stopped running because she heard a loud noise behind her.

Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view

Those who are chained down by the lone-gunman theory can only offer lame, vacuous explanations for the obvious shot reactions that refute their three-shots-only scenario.



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