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The problem with both Zartman and Niedernut is they think (or thought) they were there to be Truth Police at the EF-JFKA. And they knew The Truth. Niedernut also had an insufferable personality.

Zartman actually posted on EF-JFKA that he thought LNT'ers should be banned from the EF-JFKA, and then he later became a moderator. In other words, the EF-JFKA was not a debate forum, but a CT cocoon.

I suppose it does not matter much; the readership of the EF-JFKA must be in the dozens, in a nation of 330 million. Simkin says he spends 10 hours a day writing history tomes. For who? Not the EF-JFKA, which Simkin says is a disappointment to him, due to all the insults that go on.

It looks like the EF-JFKA will continue to peter out; perhaps Niedernut's moderation will ultimately prove lethal, in combination with Simkin's senescence.

I invite EF-JFKA'ers to join this forum and at least try to have collegial conversations.

FWIW, in the thread that was deleted someone described this as an "obscure" forum "mostly for LNers." For what the Ed Forum has become to call another forum "obscure" is a pretty serious case of "Pot, meet kettle." I think they have some notion that there are hundreds if not thousands of lurkers. In fact, I think I recall someone insisting on that when I was a member, perhaps thinking that all the bots were lurkers. That is one problem with any forum like this - the same handful of people saying the same things over and over. If there are substantial numbers of lurkers, I wish they'd chime in and liven things up.
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I really am going on hiatus after this post. I just do not have this sort of time for the JFKA follies, much as I enjoy reading my own thoughts.  :D

All I'm doing here is thinking out loud - as one who has organized and presented cases, just thinking how I would assemble a plausible conspiracy scenario. If you live and breathe Harvey and Lee or think MTG is the epitome of rationality - please, go for it.

A plausible conspiracy can be described in which nothing takes place in Dealey Plaza other than what the LN narrative posits. It's hard for me to believe that sophisticated conspirators would entrust the entire operation to Oswald and his $20 M-C, or that the operation would have unfolded as it did, but it's possible.

Regarding the SBT and whatnot: I am certainly not going to enter THAT debate. For starters, I'm not qualified. I'm just thinking out loud - the stuff that has always nagged at me.

It has always seemed to me that the supposed "early shot" and the SBT were and are motivated in part to avoid a conspiracy, as opposed to being entirely evidence-based. I think an excellent case can be and has been made that Oswald fired only two shots. As Jack Nessan has pointed out, the LN narrative can easily accommodate this; there simply was no early shot - the SBT and the head shot were it. But then we have the witnesses who insist there were two shots that were almost simultaneous. Were these two shots the ones that the SBT has merged into one, definitely meaning two gunmen? Were they the head shot and a shot almost simultaneous with it, as I think Josiah Thompson believes - definitely meaning two gunmen? It does seem to me that the SBT has some implausibilities as I've described. I don't know how it all hashes out and don't feel obligated to try. I simply said that I would focus on this rather than other supposed (and more unlikely) "conspiracy" aspects of Dealey Plaza if I were assembling a conspiracy theory.

FWIW, John Orr's Mafia theory posits a shot by Oswald at Z204 that went through JFK's back and neck and exited the car. He posits a second shot by Oswald at Z236 that strikes JBC. He posits the head shot at Z312 by a different gunman, with a fragment causing JBC's wrist wound. He posits a third shot by Oswald at Z326 that strikes the pavement left of the car, but he admits this is tentative. Is this solid reasoning? I don't know. But it is what I'm talking about when I say a "plausible" conspiracy theory. You are free to scream "It's not plausible AT ALL!" Maybe it's not, but it's certainly an example of a tight, minimalist theory that is more plausible and well-thought-out than most of the CT stuff.

https://www.mountainrivercabins.com/JohnOrrReport.pdf
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I'm not a hunter at all. I shoot paper targets. Living in a rural area I have learned a little about deer hunting. Ohio does not allow deer hunting with rifles other than muzzle loaders which have their own season which greatly reduces the number of hunters in the field. Ohio deer hunters shoot deer with deer slugs fired from shotguns. We have bow hunters too but they share the primitive weapons season with the muzzle loaders.

A deer hunter will wait for an optimal shot because he knows he has to score a hit with the first shot because if he misses, the deer will be long gone before he ever gets off a second shot.

Having his intended target take off if he missed his first shot was of less concern to Oswald than to a deer hunter. Ideally, that's what should have happened but Greer was slow to react. Apparently, Oswald decided like the hockey players, the more shots he took, the more likelihood he would score a fatal hit. He had chambered his fourth and final round before deciding it wasn't necessary.

It was Oswald's decision to make and there's no reason to think he would have made the same decision as you. Since he succeeded, I see no point in second guessing his choice.



I believe LHO was smart enough not to intentionally tale such a poor shot that was likely to miss by such an extremely large margin. Especially when he had apparently intentionally set up a much better and stable set of shots that he knew he would have in just a few seconds. Same as any competent deer hunter.
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MTG:

Verily, Mossad perped the JFKA. Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled as much of Tucker Carlson's show.

Something ugly is happening on America's left-wing. You see Hasan Piker. The justifications for murdering healthcare industry executives, or Charlie Kirk.

The IRGC gets a pass; no one cares about 40k slaughtered in the streets of Iran.

The exoneration and valorization of Sirhan Sirhan, and the accusations against Mossad, in the RFKA and JFKA.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.



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The problem with both Zartman and Niedernut is they think (or thought) they were there to be Truth Police at the EF-JFKA. And they knew The Truth. Niedernut also had an insufferable personality.

Zartman actually posted on EF-JFKA that he thought LNT'ers should be banned from the EF-JFKA, and then he later became a moderator. In other words, the EF-JFKA was not a debate forum, but a CT cocoon.

I suppose it does not matter much; the readership of the EF-JFKA must be in the dozens, in a nation of 330 million. Simkin says he spends 10 hours a day writing history tomes. For who? Not the EF-JFKA, which Simkin says is a disappointment to him, due to all the insults that go on.

It looks like the EF-JFKA will continue to peter out; perhaps Niedernut's moderation will ultimately prove lethal, in combination with Simkin's senescence.

I invite EF-JFKA'ers to join this forum and at least try to have collegial conversations.
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Given that surveys have repeatedly shown that only 1/4 to 1/3 of the Western world believes the lone-gunman theory, you and your fellow WC apologists are the ones who need to focus on plausibility.

I find it so curious that you guys talk like you represent the mainstream, the majority, and that those who posit a conspiracy in the case are a fringe minority, when in fact your view is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world, when we now know that even three members of the WC did not buy the Commission's story, and when the last official U.S. Government investigation--the HSCA--concluded that the WC failed to follow up on evidence that indicated conspiracy, that two gunmen were involved, that four shots were fired, that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll, that Silvia Odio's account of an anti-Castro Cuban trying to frame Oswald for the assassination weeks before the event was credible, that Ruby had significant Mafia ties, that Ruby lied about how he entered the police basement to shoot Oswald, that Ruby lied about why he shot Oswald, etc., etc.
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Zartman suspended me for just replying to one of his emails, saying that I was arguing. He always goes after me on the forum.

That's pathetic. You're always a gentleman, Fred.

For everyone's information, in a current email chain initiated and moderated by John K. Hofeling that includes many JFKA conspiracy theorists, two people have chimed in that they agree with James Fetzer's obscene claim that Israel and America are the two biggest threats to democracy, that Russia and Iran are good countries, and that Iran is setting a better example than America is setting.
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LP:

Amen, Duncan MacRae should moderate a combined JFK-EF-JFKA forum.

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One might also add - so I will! - that explaining CE 543 as a dry-firing shell is the explanation most in accord with Occam's Razor. MTG consistently violates Occam's Razor to an almost unbelievable degree. Given two possible explanations, MTG always opts for the most complex, conspiratorially-oriented. and frankly least believable one. ALWAYS. This is precisely why I started my thread encouraging CTers to focus on plausibility. CTers like MTG are embarrassments to rational thought and analysis.

Here is the AI response to the dented shell:

How Warren Commission Exhibit CE543 Got Dented

Commission Exhibit 543 (CE 543) was one of three spent 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano cartridge cases found in the “sniper’s nest” on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. It had a noticeable inward dent on the mouth (the open lip where the bullet had been seated) www.jfkassassinationforum.com.

Official and Expert Explanations
The Warren Commission’s own analysis, supported by FBI ballistic testing, concluded that all three cases (CE 543, 544, and 545) had been fired from the same rifle (CE 139) based on matching firing-pin, extractor, and bolt-face marks www.jfkassassinationforum.com.

The dent on CE 543 was examined by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) Firearms Panel in the 1970s–1970s. They found that the dent was produced during ejection from the rifle, specifically from the rapid operation of the bolt/ejector mechanism, not before firing or from manufacturing/loading www.jfkassassinationforum.com.

The panel duplicated the dent in test firings with Oswald’s rifle, showing that one of four test cases produced a similar dent when the bolt was worked quickly. Microscopic comparison confirmed all three cases were fired in the CE 139 rifle, with no evidence of multiple chamberings or prior firings
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On one of my long commutes, the best radio reception was NPR. On another, it was conservative right-wing talk radio. It was only in retrospect that I realized how much a steady diet of one perspective had subtly colored my views. I used to religiously watch Chris Matthews on MSNBC followed by Bill O'Reilly on FOX to make sure I was getting balanced lunacy. Now I listen and watch almost nothing and generate my own lunacy, which is much healthier.

Good idea.  I will delete my previous I..I..I.. speech before anyone else sees it.
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