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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald In Helsinki
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 07:10:43 AM »
I've merely pointed out how you mischaracterized Rankin's words and the absurdity of anyone needing to expedite Oswald's visa

Mischaracterized Rankin's words?
I was the one who posted Rankin's words. Not you.
Just because I misquoted what I'd already posted you jumped on it because you had nothing else. No argument, No evidence.
That's all you had to troll the discussion with.
Zero contribution. Just trolling.

And you pointed out the absurdity of anyone needing to expedite Oswald's visa??
But Oswald's visa WAS EXPEDITED!
It was done in 24 hours!
What don't you understand about things being expedited?
The only thing "absurd" is your presence on this forum.

In response, I've gotten a blizzard of insults and rants.

Stop playing the victim.
You're nothing but a troll.
If you want respect do something worthy of it.

The CIA, according to the WC Report, was silent on the question of which flight Oswald embarked from to arrive in Helsinki
at a time of day that would fit the post arrival narrative. A cost of $111.90 is listed on pg. 257 of the WueCR with no accompanying supporting info.
Two flights from Paris with one intermediate stop was information not volunteered by the CIA, despite offering no support for a London flight
beyond departure time and unsupported cost. No flight manifests were reported to be found.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0141a.htm.


Kat Ford reported to the FBI that Marina said she first met her future husband after he arrived in Moscow to represent his employer at the Science Fair.
Marina explained why she had an address of a building associated with a residence of Robert E Webster in Leningrad, if memory serves me.

In 1965, Nixon hope to suddenly show up with his lawyer on the doorstep of by then retired Khrushchev, but reportedly could not find him  The after the fact reporting claimed the group obtained visas in Helsinki in as few as three hours.
 
In the early 1980's the name of the lawyer was linked in a Washington Post article, if I recall the , 19809accurately, to the boyhood town of Tampico in Illinois in which
the two had first met. The population was 600 in 1911 and the lawyer's father was the grocer.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170828135015/https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/07/15/the-republicans-in-detroit/a1b4b68b-2673-4b6c-b86c-ecac9147f3e0/?utm_term=.550271ac570d
THE REPUBLICANS IN DETROIT
July 15, 1980

I have a copy of the wedding announcement,, circa 1949, stating that the lawyer's best man
was his former OSS advanced weapons development team member, Jim Rand, who happened to be
the employer who sent Robert Webster to that 1959 Moscow Science exhibition where Webster defected to the Soviet Union from.

That same lawyer was assigned a large role in the October Surprise investigation and its mysteries. He died of cancer about 1984 before
that investigation fully ramped up, leaving his longtime employee, Roy Furmark and Bill Casey's assistant, Robert Gates, questioned after Casey had also
suddenly died, holding the bag, so to speak. Gates did such a poor job answering congressional inquiry questions that he could not be advanced as
planned, to receive senate committee approval for his nomination for DCI.

in the early 1980s a Harvard graduate who in 1959 had been a 29 year old PhD Archeology candidate, came across and reread a journal he had been
keeping during a train trip to Helsinki in which he had written the name of his young berth mate of several days on the train. He had completely
forgotten until then that the name of his travel companion he had written in that journal was Harvey Oswald. About 40 years later the Finnish government
released details that supported the man's claims. He the name of that man as #6 and Oswald's just below it as #7.

His recent obit includes a papragraph describing that encounter,
https://onlinedigeditions.com/article/In+Memoriam%3A+William+B.+Trousdale/5078414/857731/article.html

This is attributed to well known US researcher Weberman who allegedly received it from a Finnish researcher who sent it to him.



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https://www.nytimes.com/1965/04/11/archives/nixon-back-in-moscow-debates-again-issue-of-kennedys-slaying-raised.html
April 11, 1965
Nixon, Back in Moscow, Debates Again; Issue of Kennedy's Slaying Raised by University Aide
".... Mr. Nixon arrived this morning as a private tourist with a group of American and Canadian businessmen with whom he had visited Helsinki on business. His trip to Moscow was decided upon on the spur of the moment Thursday after the group had completed its business in the Finnish capital with unexpected speed. To the surprise of all, including the consular officers at the United States Embassy in Helsinki, a Soviet visa came through quickly in less than three hours. On arrival, after a 20-hour train ride, Mr. Nixon told reporters that he had made no arrangements to see any Soviet officials or any United States or other diplomats. He was philosophical about his own changed station in life and that of his debating partner of almost six years ago. I was on July 24, 1959, that Mr. Nixon, in Moscow to open the American National Exhibition, debated with Mr. Khrushchev
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 05:53:05 AM »
[...]

Connally was mixed up and you're way off.

Rhetorical question:

Why is it we can see almost all of Connally's white shirt in Z-174, but we can't see his tie?
 
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z174.jpg

Answer:

Because Connally, having consciously begun by Z-151 to turn his head quickly to his LEFT (and therefore being captured "looking straight ahead" in the Croft photo at Z-161), by Z-169 has started turning his head and upper torso back to his right to see where the shot had come from and to see if JFK is okay.

By Z-174, Connally's upper torso is turned so far to his right that his tie is obscured from our view by a part of the car.

Although Connally continues turning to his right, he can't "see" JFK in Z-179 because JFK has turned HIS head far to HIS right and has raised his hand to wave to someone.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z179.jpg

Connally gives up looking over his right shoulder and starts turning his upper torso and head back to his LEFT, to, as he said, try to see JFK over his left shoulder, but he doesn't make it very far because both JFK and he are hit by CE-399 at approximately Z-222.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:51:50 AM »
Bennett was already sitting higher than Ken O'Donnell and would have had no difficulty seeing JFK over top of O'Donnell.  Bennett is in the right rear seat in the QM as seen in the Betzner photo at z186:

Who was it, then, who was sitting on the passenger's side of the car and around Z-145 started leaning far to his right while continuing to look straight ahead?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 03:51:03 AM »
1) Why wasn't she looking at the limo in both of those frames?
She appears to be looking toward her right up to z202.

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2) What was she looking at in Z-148?
She was looking to her right which is where the President's car was.
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3) Why did she start turning her head away from the limo and towards the TSBD by Z-141?
She didn't.  She is always looking  to her right until z202 when she does that major head turn to the rear.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 03:45:58 AM »
at what point do you think Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett started leaning far to his right (in order to see around Ken O'Donnell) to see if JFK was okay?

Bennett was already sitting higher than Ken O'Donnell and would have had no difficulty seeing JFK over top of O'Donnell.  Bennett is in the right rear seat in the QM as seen in the Betzner photo at z186:

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:32:42 AM »
The CIA historian published a CIA-vetted report, on CIA letterhead, that Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" for the CIA in the 1950s.

IIRC, that wasn't the only mistake your boy, J. Kenneth McDonnald, made in that rushed-and-cobbled-together report.

Fred Litwin has written:

As for the document's reliability, researcher Paul Hoch has found another example of where it was wrong. It refers to "records relating to Gilberto Alvarado, who maintained that he witnessed Cubans passing Oswald cash at a party on the night before the assassination." In fact, this description is obviously a confused mashup of two allegations that were separately made: one by Gilberto Alvarado in 1963 (which he ultimately retracted), and another, made later, by Elena Garro de Paz. A different page in the 1992 document correctly describes Alvarado as "the Nicaraguan who claimed he saw Lee Harvey Oswald receive cash in meetings inside Mexico City Cuban embassy." Elena Garro de Paz claimed to have seen Oswald and two companions at a "twist party" in Mexico City. The date given for this twist party (November 21) matches neither allegation and is obviously an error, thus suggesting that the 1992 document is not a completely reliable accounting of what is in the CIA's own archive. On the night before the assassination, Oswald was in Dallas with Marina at Ruth Paine's house (thus he could not have received cash in Alvarado's presence or have been at a party in Mexico City). Oswald was only in Mexico City from September 26 to October 3. If he attended a party - which is a big if - it could only have happened during this time period.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 03:27:14 AM »
The CIA historian published a CIA-vetted report, on CIA letterhead, that Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" for the CIA in the 1950s.

You say Shaw was only a volunteer. 

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 03:13:05 AM »
I came across an FBI report of an interview of JBC made by SA H.T. Burk at St. David's hospital on December 11, 1963. While it is generally consistent with JBC's WC testimony it provides additional details and presents a slightly different light on what Connally did and observed after the first shot and before he felt the impact of the bullet that hit him in the torso. It is marked as CR-188 in file SA 89-67 and is part of the collection titled: " Warren Commission Records Related to Key Persons".  It is also hand marked "JBC-1" at the top. It is available on the Mary Ferrell site at this URL. Here is the important part:



He says he turned to his right "to look back" and "sensed more than I saw, that President Kennedy had been hit."  He says that he then turned back to the left "a little" before being hit himself.

One interesting comment is on page 3:



It is clear from this that JBC turned around enough to see three buildings, which he identified as the TSBD, a middle one and the County Records building.   Unless he had eyes in the back of his head, I don't see how he could be referring to this turn:


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:09:35 AM »
After Baldwin got hired as AMA "PR Flack" in 1955, Shaw hired Jesse Core, Baldwin's sidekick in Calcuitta, to take Baldwin's place.
Edwin Walker's Turtle Creek landlord hosted Core and William Ruffle's daughter's engagement party in the same house Oswald allegedly
later broke an exterior window pain, of.  William Ruffle was a Dallas newspaper opinion editor who is credited with coining the oppressive phrase, "Right to Work"!

Do you think Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" who was helping the CIA bring fascism back to Italy?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 03:06:36 AM »
But were their garbagemen golfing partners?

Hmm?


ME: What does "PR flack" mean?

Google AI: A "PR flack" is a slang or sometimes pejorative term for a public relations professional, press agent, or spokesperson. The term is often used in American English and can range from a neutral catch-all for PR representatives to a derogatory label for someone who spins negative stories.


A question for Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Scully:

Do you think Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" who was helping the CIA bring fascism back to Italy?
No, I do not.

I am satisfied that Tom Purvis's observation that Garrison and Shaw were actually united in an effort to make further investigation of the JFKA
look foolish. It worked for a time. There was a hiatus in official inquiry from 1969 to 1975.

After Baldwin got hired as AMA "PR Flack" in 1955, Shaw hired Jesse Core, Baldwin's sidekick in Calcuitta, to take Baldwin's place.
Edwin Walker's Turtle Creek landlord hosted Core and William Ruffle's daughter's engagement party in the same house Oswald allegedly
later broke an exterior window pain, of.  William Ruffle was a Dallas newspaper opinion editor who is credited with coining the oppressive phrase, "Right to Work"!
Mrs. Ruffle Core got mixed up in the protests lead by Mac Wallace in reaction to U of T's disciplining Homer Rainey because of his politics.
The CIA did not forget Mrs. Core's role.

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/2326-malcolm-wallace-part-2/
By Larry Hancock
Horace Busby and Malcolm Wallace were not just schoolmates at UT; they were campus leaders, leaders allied in the same sorts of causes. Busby was the editor of the "Daily Texan", UT student newspaper, and a strong proponent of the liberal (for Texas in the 1940's) President of UT, Doctor Homer Rainey
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