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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by Richard Smith on Yesterday at 07:19:18 PM »Your counter factual description of California reminds me of the classic complaint about the restaurant that the complainer says sucks because it is always so crowded and noisy!
You ignored my well supported arguments against execution and high incarceration…. They are not deterents but instead are more expensive and counterproductive compared to results in states with no executions and dramatically less per capita incarceration rates.
The least safe states are red states. The red state governments focus on “solving” problems that do not exist at a level that made it at all reasonable to prioritize them!
AT LEAST 12 state governments are not second guessing pediatricians, Ob-Gyns, librarians. or scientific consensus because it is not reasonable for legislators to focus on contradicting what is beyond the expertise of the average red states legislator.
Cost of living is heavily influenced by demand. There must still be enough demand for New York or California residence, both much safer than almost any red state, to maintain housing price and income levels.
I know of a couple who moved ten years ago at onset of retirement age from western CT to North GA. She had taught school and he was a self employed handy man. There was no property tax break in CT for homeowners with net annual income below $25k. In GA, senior homeowners with that income limit get the school tax portion of their property tax waived. They pay $1050 annually on their home currently market priced at $600,000 which rose 50% in price in ten years, while younger and wealthier neighbors over 65 pay $7,000 annual tax. The GA county they reside in has 15th highest average household income in the U.S.
None of those points changes that the GA Republican controlled state government reaps what it sows. It is a malpractice disaster as far as legislative focus compared to CT’s state gov. BTW, the waiving of school tax on homes of low income retirees shifts the cost to all other homeowners.
All the words in the world don't change simple facts. People are leaving places like California and NY that have been governed by liberals for decades. They are moving to red states. These people are not acting irrationally against their own self interest. They are leaving behind high taxes, crime, homeless encampments, and illegal alien sanctuaries for a better life.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 63rd anniversary of the JFKA is approaching
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Yesterday at 07:14:19 PM »To put this in perspective, JFK has been dead for 16+ more years than he was alive.
It has now been longer between JFKA and the present than it was between the McKinley assassination and the JFKA. I don't recall any sort of continued consternation about the McKinley assassination as there has been about the JFKA. For some reason, people just can't seem to put the JFKA in their rearview mirror. They want to keep it front and center. Of course as a JFKA buff myself, I am one of those people still fascinated by the story even though I am convinced the WC got it right when they released their report 62 years ago. I have said on numerous occasions that I do this for amusement only, even though I have gone through long stretches in my life where I quit this hobby cold turkey. Something keeps bringing me back.
I am still puzzled by what keeps the CTs going. Do they think that some game changing piece of evidence is going to suddenly appear that will confirm their long held positions? Do they think if they keep plugging away there is going to be an "AHA" moment when they finally put the pieces together? I freely admit to being a cynic but it seems to me if the CT folks haven't figured out the JFKA by now with what is already known, why would they expect they ever will?
Dave Powers
At that time we were traveling very slowly, no more than 12 miles an hour. In accordance with my custom, I was very much concerned about our timing and at just about that point I looked at my watch and noted that it was almost exactly 12:30 p.m., Which was the time we were due at the Trade Mart. I commented to Ken O'Donnell that it was 12:30 and we would only be about five minutes late when we arrived at the Trade Mart. Shortly thereafter the first shot went off and it sounded to me as if it were a firecracker. I noticed then that the President moved quite far to his left after the shot from the extreme right hand side where he had been sitting. There was a second shot and Governor Connally disappeared from sight and then there was a third shot which took off the top of the President's head and had the sickening sound of a grapefruit splattering against the side of a wall. The total time between the first and third shots was about 5 or 6 seconds. My first impression was that the shots came from the right and overhead, but I also had a fleeting impression that the noise appeared to come from the front in the area of the triple overpass. This may have resulted from my feeling, when I looked forward toward the overpass, that we might have ridden into an ambush.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 63rd anniversary of the JFKA is approaching
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 07:12:44 PM »I'm very new to collecting JFK stuff, lemme tell ya, i only have the MPI zapruder dvd and only that, i really wanted to buy more stuff, but my folks would wanna check what i'm buying, and if i'm buying on ebay or other american sites, it would be a bit annoying to ship to Brazil, not very ideal conditions to be researching the JFKA in, but i'll see what i can do.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 07:06:57 PM »I recommend that everyone, especially newcomers to the acoustical evidence, read Jason Wakefield's March 2003 article "An In-Depth Study of the Acoustical Evidence in the JFK Assassination." Wakefield's article provides an excellent overview of the history of the acoustical evidence and where research on the dictabelt stood as of 2003.
In 2003, Linsker and his colleagues were still struggling to produce a response to Dr. Don Thomas's 2001 defense of the acoustical evidence in the forensic science journal Science & Justice. The Linsker group submitted a rebuttal to Thomas's article in March 2002 but quickly withdrew it. In reading the draft rebuttal, it is apparent why they withdrew it: it raised only minor points against Thomas's article. They spent three more years working on a response.
In this 2001 article, Dr. Thomas made a convincing case, based on the NRC/NAS panel's calculations for the timing of the transmissions on Channel 1 and Channel 2, that the Bellah "you want" transmission was a far more plausible timing indicator than the Decker "hold everything" transmission. In short, Dr. Thomas showed that if the NRC/NAS timing calculations were correct (and he assumed they were), the Bellah transmission was a far superior timing indicator than the Decker transmission, which refuted the NRC/NAS panel's main argument against the acoustical evidence.
It is crucial to understand that the primary scientific argument that the NRC/NAS panel made against the acoustical evidence was that the Decker "hold everything" transmission was crosstalk and that this proved the impulse patterns on the dictabelt were recorded about one minute after the shooting. Until the panel finally looked into Steve Barber's information about the Decker transmission, they had done nothing but manage to reduce the probability of the timing-movement correlations from 99+% to 93% and to reduce the probability of the grassy knoll shot from 95+% to 77.7% (and only by introducing two severe errors into their calculations).
It is even more crucial to understand that the Decker crosstalk hoax was based on the demonstrably false assumption that Channel 2 stopped recording for about 60 seconds. You don't need to be a scientist to understand that if Channel 2 had stopped recording for 60 seconds, the police dispatcher's subsequent time notations would reflect such a pause, but this did not happen. There is no time missing between the 12:30 and 12:32 transmissions, and the 12:35 and 12:36 time notations occur exactly five and six minutes respectively after the 12:30 time notation, proving, at least on this planet, that Channel 2 could not have stopped recording for 60 seconds (nor for 35 seconds). Dr. Thomas:
The linear regression analysis of the dispatcher's time notations proves that the Audograph machine must have shut off for extended times prior to the assassination. But after 12:30, the approximate time of the shooting, the dispatcher's announced times and the actual elapsed time fall into very close agreement for the six minutes after the shooting. There did not seem to be any appreciable amount of time missing, and none between 12:30 and 12:32 when the relevant broadcasts were made and where a full minute of time is supposed to be missing according to the NRC Panel. That is, there is exactly 120 seconds of playback time between the dispatcher's time notations at 12:30 and 12:32. . . .
Note for example (Table 15) that the dispatcher's time notation for 12:32 occurs exactly two minutes after the notation at 12:30. The NRC panel's theory holds that the recorder stopped for a half minute during this interval. It is indeed possible that the real interval between the time notations was actually two and a half minutes apart and by coincidence the lost 31 seconds only makes it appear that no time was lost. But if this were the case, one would expect to see an offset in the time notations downstream. But there is not. The 12:35 and 12:36 time notations fall exactly five and six minutes respectively after the 12:30 time notation, suggesting that the recording is continuous. . . . (Hear No Evil, 2010, pp. 638-639)
So let us return to the Linsker group and Dr. Thomas's 2001 article. As mentioned, using the NRC/NAS panel's own timing calculations, Dr. Thomas showed that the Bellah "you want" transmission, which the panel acknowledged was crosstalk, was a far more probable timing indicator than the Decker "hold everything" transmission.
In order to refute Dr. Thomas's argument, Linsker and his colleagues had to make a painful admission when they finally submitted their rebuttal in 2005: they had to admit that the NRC/NAS panel's timing calculations were badly off the mark because they had miscalculated the needle-skip adjustment as 60 seconds when in fact it was 35 seconds.
But this was the poster child for a "ruinous victory," i.e., a victory that does fatal damage to the victor. Why? Because, in proving the Bellah crosstalk was not the best time indicator, Linsker and his colleagues were forced to admit that the only way the Decker "hold everything" transmission could be crosstalk was if Channel 2 stopped recording for 35 seconds. This version of the recording-pause theory faced the same unanswerable objection that the NRC/NAS version of the theory faced: a substantial pause on Channel 2, whether 60 seconds, or 44 seconds, or 35 seconds, would cause the dispatcher's subsequent time notations to reflect such a pause, but they do not.
Again, as many scholars have noted, the 12:35 and 12:36 time notations occur exactly five and six minutes respectively after the 12:30 time notation, and there is no time missing between the 12:30 and 12:32 broadcasts. How could this be if Channel 2 stopped recording for 35 seconds? Linsker et al. offered no explanation for why the alleged 35-second pause does not show up in the dispatcher's subsequent time notations. This is one of the facts that caught Dr. David Kaiser's attention and caused him to reject the attacks on the acoustical evidence.
And, as discussed in previous replies, subsequent research by BBN scientists from 2015-2019 has proved that the Decker transmission is an overdub and that the Fisher "I'll check" transmission is crosstalk, which proves that the dictabelt's impulse patterns were recorded during the assassination. Dr. Josiah Thompson discusses this historic new research at length in his book Last Second in Dallas. BBN scientists Dr. James Barger and Dr. Richard Mullen each wrote an appendix for the book.
Just bumping this thread as a reminder that LNers have failed to explain the gunfire windshield distortions on the dictabelt, the timing-movement correlations between the dictabelt's impulse patterns and the impulse patterns from the Dealey Plaza test firing, the 26-point match in the sonar analysis between the 144.9 impulse pattern and the grassy knoll test shot's impulse pattern, and the gunfire N-waves on the dictabelt, complete with muzzle blasts and muzzle-blast echoes that occur in the correct order and interval.
The only seemingly scientific argument that critics have made against the HSCA's acoustical evidence is the never-plausible, debunked Decker crosstalk argument, which relied from the outset on the impossible theory that Channel 2 stopped recording for at least 35 seconds and for as many as 60 seconds. As discussed in the quoted reply, this theory is impossible because no such recording pause is reflected in the subsequent six minutes of the tape; the 12:35 and 12:36 time notations occur exactly five and six minutes respectively after the 12:30 time notation, and there is no time missing between the 12:30 and 12:32 broadcasts.
Allow me to again provide the link to my article "The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman."
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 63rd anniversary of the JFKA is approaching
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 06:59:10 PM »To put this in perspective, JFK has been dead for 16+ more years than he was alive.I know it's like, still October 14, but, i'm gonna upload my collection of home movies of 11/22 here on the site. I need to gather xxxx to see if anything is missing or are there better sources.
It has now been longer between JFKA and the present than it was between the McKinley assassination and the JFKA. I don't recall any sort of continued consternation about the McKinley assassination as there has been about the JFKA. For some reason, people just can't seem to put the JFKA in their rearview mirror. They want to keep it front and center. Of course as a JFKA buff myself, I am one of those people still fascinated by the story even though I am convinced the WC got it right when they released their report 62 years ago. I have said on numerous occasions that I do this for amusement only, even though I have gone through long stretches in my life where I quit this hobby cold turkey. Something keeps bringing me back.
I am still puzzled by what keeps the CTs going. Do they think that some game changing piece of evidence is going to suddenly appear that will confirm their long held positions? Do they think if they keep plugging away there is going to be an "AHA" moment when they finally put the pieces together? I freely admit to being a cynic but it seems to me if the CT folks haven't figured out the JFKA by now with what is already known, why would they expect they ever will?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:56:17 PM »Robin - Thanks for posting the Wiegman snippet. The 5 women standing to the (R) of the Cowboy Hat Man are NOT standing on the "corner of the building". The sniper's nest is on the (R) of the TSBD Front Steps. The "corner of the building" is even just (R) of that window.
That's a very good Wiegman Film copy. Clearly, the "getaway" car is not parked alongside the Island. Not yet! The segment of the Hughes Film showing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St also reveals No "getaway" car. That part of the Hughes Film does show the light colored Corvair parked alongside the TSBD.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:56:04 PM »
This is just straight trolling since anyone can go to You Tube and watch the "Slow Motion Couch/Darnell" clip and see Baker doing exactly that...
DPD Officer Baker is Not running through this line of people on the Couch/Darnell Films. This is indisputable.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 06:51:20 PM »If the above description is true, then images of DPD Officer Baker, 20 seconds after the kill shot, would show him plowing through this tightly compacted string of people as he ran from the Island into the street. We do Not see Officer Baker doing anything like this on the Couch/Darnell Films.This is just straight trolling since anyone can go to You Tube and watch the "Slow Motion Couch/Darnell" clip and see Baker doing exactly that...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / 63rd anniversary of the JFKA is approaching
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:19:51 PM »To put this in perspective, JFK has been dead for 16+ more years than he was alive.
It has now been longer between the JFKA and the present than it was between the McKinley assassination and the JFKA. I don't recall any sort of continued consternation about the McKinley assassination as there has been about the JFKA. For some reason, some people just can't seem to put the JFKA in their rearview mirror. They want to keep it front and center. Of course, as a JFKA buff myself, I am one of those people still fascinated by the story even though I am convinced the WC got it right when they released their report 62 years ago. I have said on numerous occasions that I do this for amusement only, even though I have gone through long stretches in my life where I quit this hobby cold turkey. Something keeps bringing me back.
I am still puzzled by what keeps the CTs going. Do they think that some game changing piece of evidence is going to suddenly appear that will confirm their long-held positions? Do they think if they keep plugging away there is going to be an "AHA" moment when they finally put the pieces together? I freely admit to being a cynic, but it seems to me if the CT folks haven't figured out the JFKA by now with what is already known, why would they expect they ever will?
It has now been longer between the JFKA and the present than it was between the McKinley assassination and the JFKA. I don't recall any sort of continued consternation about the McKinley assassination as there has been about the JFKA. For some reason, some people just can't seem to put the JFKA in their rearview mirror. They want to keep it front and center. Of course, as a JFKA buff myself, I am one of those people still fascinated by the story even though I am convinced the WC got it right when they released their report 62 years ago. I have said on numerous occasions that I do this for amusement only, even though I have gone through long stretches in my life where I quit this hobby cold turkey. Something keeps bringing me back.
I am still puzzled by what keeps the CTs going. Do they think that some game changing piece of evidence is going to suddenly appear that will confirm their long-held positions? Do they think if they keep plugging away there is going to be an "AHA" moment when they finally put the pieces together? I freely admit to being a cynic, but it seems to me if the CT folks haven't figured out the JFKA by now with what is already known, why would they expect they ever will?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
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