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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Abraham "Crocodile-Tears" Zapruder... on a walkie-talkie!
« Last post by Jake Maxwell on November 21, 2025, 06:29:37 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on November 21, 2025, 05:50:42 PM
   That dark figure inside the Yellow Circle is Not Zapruder. We can see this dark figure is wearing an "overcoat" that extends down to his knees. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat that day. This figure is Not Zapruder.


I agree with you... I don't think this is Zapruder... but perhaps Zapruder was cover for this person...
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Royell Storing on November 21, 2025, 06:08:06 PM »
Quote from: James Hackerott on November 15, 2025, 01:50:17 AM
Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.


   If this "getaway" car had been towed away, there would have been a paper trail attached to it. If it had been given a ticket, that too would have generated a paper trail.
   There are still frames showing the entire front license plate of this car. Whether technology today can reveal the letters/numbers on that plate, I don't know. What I do know is that there is No Legitimate Reason for: (1) that car to be rolling down the Elm St Extension while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St, (2) parking the car in front of the TSBD, (3) in a clearly marked "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone, and (4) only to then abandon the car. This was a "getaway" car that was  to be used by the 6th Floor shooter.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Abraham "Crocodile-Tears" Zapruder... on a walkie-talkie!
« Last post by Royell Storing on November 21, 2025, 05:50:42 PM »
Quote from: Jake Maxwell on November 21, 2025, 03:21:56 PM
Tommys... a serious discussion considers all possibilities.

You've both "married" yourselves to a theory... and therefore:

Tommy, you can't see that Zapruder was possibly on a walkie-talkie shortly after the assassination, and possibly "cover" for the image picked up in the Bell Film...

Tom you can't see that Hoover was the perpetrator of disinformation and deception on the public and world, saying within two days of the assassination:
“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”
You evidently believe what Hoover and his minions issued about Oswald...

Divorce your theory... and marry truth and justice, and THEN you can have a serious discussion that considers all possibilities, without using middle school put downs...







   That dark figure inside the Yellow Circle is Not Zapruder. We can see this dark figure is wearing an "overcoat" that extends down to his knees. Zapruder was wearing a suit coat that day. This figure is Not Zapruder.   
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Last post by Andrew Mason on November 21, 2025, 04:54:05 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on November 15, 2025, 02:16:49 PM
SBT believers never address the stark difference between the alleged angle through JFK and the angle through Connally. Dr. Robert Shaw, the surgeon who operated on Connally's chest wounds, measured the angle through the governor's chest as 25 degrees downward, 8 degrees more downward than the downward angle claimed by the WC and the HSCA (and the HSCA FPP's measurement falsely assumed that JFK was learning markedly forward when the bullet struck his back). Physiologist Russel Kent explains:

The HSCA and Warren Commission placed the back wound wherever it seemed most convenient for their version and then accepted whatever angle produced. For the Warren Commission, the trajectory was about 17 degrees downwards.[481] For the HSCA it was 17 degrees downwards if you allow for the unproven forward lean or about 4 degrees upwards if you do not.

Both seemed to have forgotten that the single-bullet theory then required this shot to go through Connally. His thoracic surgeon, Dr Shaw measured the perforating angle through Connally’s chest during testimony as 25 degrees downwards.[482] This is eight degrees more downward than the HSCA and Warren Commission’s estimated that the bullet had left JFK’s throat. This means that the bullet would have made an eight-degree mid-air dip between Kennedy and Connally. That was impossible, so they all ignored it. (JFK Medical Betrayal: Where the Evidence Lies, p. 174)

The 25 degree (approximate) downward angle through JBC is easily explained if JBC was struck around z271:



At that time, JBC was leaning backward at an angle of 8.5 degrees to car-vertical. A shot from the SN was moving downward relative to the car at 18 degrees.  So relative to JBC's vertical body line, it would have struck at a downward angle of 26.5 degrees.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Abraham "Crocodile-Tears" Zapruder... on a walkie-talkie!
« Last post by Jake Maxwell on November 21, 2025, 03:21:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on November 20, 2025, 10:05:14 PM
A serious discussion is not his mission.

His mission is to spread as much nation-rending disinformation as possible.

Tommys... a serious discussion considers all possibilities.

You've both "married" yourselves to a theory... and therefore:

Tommy, you can't see that Zapruder was possibly on a walkie-talkie shortly after the assassination, and possibly "cover" for the image picked up in the Bell Film...

Tom you can't see that Hoover was the perpetrator of disinformation and deception on the public and world, saying within two days of the assassination:
“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”
You evidently believe what Hoover and his minions issued to convince the public about Oswald...

Divorce your theory... and marry truth and justice, and THEN you can have a serious discussion that considers all possibilities, without using middle school put downs...





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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Were JFK and JBC both hit by CE-399 at Z-199?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on November 21, 2025, 12:55:31 PM »
I’ve corrected some misspelled words in my previous post. Sorry about that Tom lol.

The most critical point I intended to make , was that it is not physically possible that there was a 1.5 sec delay between the sound of a shot being heard at Z190  and JFKs body moving because the velocity of the 6.5 mm bullet was 2000 ft/sec and the distance traveled was only approx 65 feet. Therefore  a bullet fired at Z190 that hit JFK would impact JFKs body virtually simultaneous with the sound from the muzzle blast being heard by ear witnesses.

The idea of a “ delayed reaction” by JFK to the impact of a bullet traveling at 2000 ft/sec velocity is therefore highly improbable as the impact force of the 6.5 mm bullet would be  immediately transferred to JFKs  body and would cause his body to move forward just as it does at Z223-Z225.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on November 21, 2025, 12:34:13 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on November 21, 2025, 01:57:10 AM
Point being?

Regardless, the point I'm making is that she was looking back at the TSBD before Z-145 because she was consciously reacting to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124."

Point  being that you have not proved your statement previous to your above post that Rosemary Willis was looking  back at TSBD at Z145.

Nor have you proved that Rosemary Willis was looking back at TSBD at Z124 nor that if she was,  that it was due to hearing a shot at Z124.

Now you might be able to find film footage showing more clearly  Rosemary Willis as she runs around the curved sidewalk at the corner of Elm st and Houston st. However, if  her head is  turned towards  TSBD , it was because she was keeping her eye on  the JFK limo as it turned the corner simultaneously as Willis was running around the curved sidewalk right beside the limo.

Willis  herself stated in a recorded interview  that she had her eyes on JFK the ENTIRE time she was running. Therefore , if her head was turned towards TSBD earlier at Z124 , it is because the JFK limo was passing by the TSBD entrance (as recorded in the Towner film) at the same time as Willis was keeping her eye on JFK as she ran around the curved sidewalk.

And the  Z film frame where Rosemary Willis has  stopped running and she has turned her head towards TSBD is  approx at Z-200.

What other witnesses statements are there that even remotely support a first shot fired at Z124?

The significance of 2/3rds majority of witnesses who estimated hearing 3 shots fired in a span of only 4-6 seconds with the last 2 shots being literally “back to back”  is enough in itself  to discount a 1st shot at Z 124. Let alone that  so far in this thread there has been no proof as yet posted to prove a Z-124 shot.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Last post by Tom Graves on November 21, 2025, 10:44:15 AM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on November 21, 2025, 09:35:16 AM
All six of the first officers on the scene describe the lunch remains being found in the south-east corner, where the empty hulls were discovered.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Three empty hulls were found in the Sniper's Nest: Two under the window, and one near the stacks of boxes that served as a "partition" between where Williams ate and the space where Oswald sat waiting for the limo to appear on Houston Street.

Officer Mooney testified that Captain Fritz picked the hulls up to look at them and then set each of them back down where he'd picked them up.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Were JFK and JBC both hit by CE-399 at Z-199?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on November 21, 2025, 10:02:36 AM »
TG-

If you say so.

Magna est veritas, et praevalebit
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on November 21, 2025, 09:35:16 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on November 15, 2025, 12:28:18 PM
Dear danny BOY o'meara,

You wrote, "My favourite reason is the eye-witness testimony of those who saw the man on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination."

It's a pity that those witnesses were standing far below the sixth-floor window and looking up at a sharp angle.

You also wrote words to the effect, "Bonnie Williams had lunch in the Sniper's Nest."

You're wrong, danny BOY o'meara.

There was a tall partition, comprised of stacks of boxes, between Williams and the Sniper's Nest.

Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?

-- Tom

It's a pity that those witnesses were standing far below the sixth-floor window and looking up at a sharp angle.

Dear Comrade Jerkov,

You have posted some piss-weak nonsense in your time and this is right up there with the worst of your drivel.
Your counter-argument to eye-witness testimony describing someone other than Oswald on the 6th floor is that they had to look up. :D
This is a new low point for you.
And the bar was pretty low to begin with.
The fact remains that the eye-witnesses were describing someone other than Oswald.

"They describe the shooter as wearing clothes Oswald wasn't wearing and didn't own.
That he had a bald spot Oswald didn't have.
That this spot was only visible when the shooter leaned his head to the left, indicating a left-handed shooter.
That he appeared to be much older than Oswald.
That he was firing a rifle that didn't have a scope.
That the shooter was still stood at the window as the limo entered the underpass when he was supposed to be racing downstairs."


There was a tall partition, comprised of stacks of boxes, between Williams and the Sniper's Nest.

Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?


Because you've just swallowed down what the Warren Commission has fed you, like a good boy, you are completely unfamiliar with any evidence that contradicts your spoon-fed beliefs.
If you knew anything about this case you'd know that Bonnie Ray's lunch remains were initially found on top of the Sniper's Nest.

All six of the first officers on the scene describe the lunch remains being found in the south-east corner, where the empty hulls were discovered. Three of them specifically state that the lunch remains were discovered on top of the barricade/shield of boxes that formed the back wall of the Sniper's Nest.

Do some research.
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