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Israel has very little oil. They have to import more than 90% of it. If "oil politics" drove US policy we would have abandoned it long ago in favor of the oil states.


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Anything other than 57 year old garbage discussed thousands upon thousands of times throughout the years? Interesting that the majority of historians, doctors, forensic pathologists, wound ballistics experts totally disagree with you. Is that one more conspiracy?  Btw, I have never ruled out a conspiracy. What I’ve maintained throughout the decades is simple: Oswald, to a 100% certainty fired 3 and only 3 shots hitting JFK twice from above and behind. End of shooting. Was another faction pulling his strings? 57 years later, I don’t know. You don’t know. I can’t prove it nor can you. The readers on this forum whether pro or con re: shooting are well read. Repeating theories discussed ad nauseam for 50+ does nothing for your case.

Amen, Mssr. May !  Such nonsense as I have never seen.
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. . . and we know Oswald had reassembled his rifle prior to using it to kill JFK.

You don't "know" any such thing. As I have already proved to you, the ammo that hit JFK's behaved nothing like the ammo that Oswald allegedly, and the paraffin cast of Oswald's right check was tested with NAA and came back negative for any trace of gunshot reside, proving he did not fire a rifle on the day of the shooting (the FBI confirmed with a control test that the NAA was 100% accurate -- the paraffin cast of every single shooter in the control test tested positive for gunshot residue; in other words, NAA detected gunshot residue in the paraffin cast of every single shooter in the control test, an accuracy rate of 100%).

No wonder the FBI suppressed the results of the NAA testing of Oswald's right paraffin cast.

It is unnecessary to prove when he did it.

Of course! Yeah, who needs proof when you're emotionally committed to believing in Oswald's guilt?! This is right up there with your declarations that "I don't need a rational explanation" and "I don't need to be objective."

You've already proved you have no credible answer for the evidence that puts Oswald on the first and second floors of the TSBD shortly before, during, and within 40 seconds after the assassination. This is why Roy Truly did not see Oswald when Truly crossed the second-floor landing and headed up the stairs to the third floor no more than 85 seconds after the shooting, even though he was running 5-10 seconds ahead of Officer Baker. Oswald was already in the second-floor lunchroom when Baker saw him because he had just come there from the first floor to get a soda.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Kennedy Center
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 05:15:29 PM »
dang, i can’t wait until they start building the arch.  perhaps they could use some of the marble from Jack’s place, wouldn’t be far to haul, eh?  they could melt down his bust in the lobby to make his beloved not-see eagle on top.  other suggestions?
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That is not true.
This figure is not moving across the grass.
He appears for less than two seconds and does not move from that spot.
There is a suggestion this figure is starting to get up from a prone position, that's all.
I can't understand how you are seeing him moving across the grass when it doesn't happen.
Below are three stills from the Bell film showing this figure when we first see him, half way though and the last moment we see him. The duration of his appearance is less than 2 seconds. In that time he does not move from that spot.
On top of that, he is not stood up, he is lying across the steps and about to get up:





                                                                      Think it through.
 
   You originally claimed the Wiegman figure was at the top of the steps & on level ground with the Hester's. The Top of the steps would be on-line with the Bench we see on the (R). If this figure with a hat on is Wiegman, he has to go Back Down those steps in order to eventually arrive alongside the Newman Family at the bottom of the Knoll. The Bell Film still frames posted above show Wiegman has stopped filming and gone Back Down those steps. He is now on the Knoll Grass. He has pivoted/turned to his Right/(W), and is stumbling or falling. We are seeing him stumbling/falling from his (L) side. What we are seeing is like watching a football player stumbling/falling (R-L) on a TV screen. And this figure is moving. Just look at his (L) hand. If this is Wiegman above, he eventually arrives alongside the Newman Family on the (L) of the street light pole that we see in these still frames. If this figure is Wiegman, how do you believe he eventually arrives on the (L) of this light pole? This figure has to move to our Left/(W) at some point in time to eventually be on the Left/(W) of the light pole.
   The Couch Film shows what is believed to be this same figure moving STRAIGHT DOWN the knoll. This STRAIGHT DOWN the knoll would be happening after this figure moved to our Left/(W) across the top of the knoll. Please familiarize yourself with a good copy of the Couch Film. Stay away from the Couch crappola copies.
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Stepping away from Brian Doyle's usual installment of nonsense, there is a really interesting thread going on at the Education Forum for a change involving Craig Bouzarth's work on Zapruder film authenticity. He is battling it out with another guy who is posting giant AI essays arguing for a fake headsnap and other things that seem impossible.
The "Just because the film wasn't altered doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy" responses will now ensue. Either that or charges that Mr. Bouzarth is a CIA agent.

If the film is authentic then a whole series of claims over the years fall apart. About the head wound location, about JFK and JC responding simultaneously to a shot, et cetera.

The interesting (grading on a scale here) debate for me over there is the claim that JFK was going to unconditionally leave Vietnam after re-election. For the Garrisonites - the Oliver Stone and DiEugenio types - this is critical to their conspiracy belief. It's the Rosetta Stone, the key act, to their explanation as to what happened and why. If JFK wasn't going to simply leave then the idea that the national security state, the military industrial complex, killed him because he was leaving completely falls apart. JFK *had* to be leaving; otherwise why would these powerful forces take him down?
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The JFK internet is mostly bullies who are avoiding the correct evidence instead of exposing it...

I have never seen any comprehensive analysis of Piper's actual evidence because they know they can't disprove it...

I am the researcher who discovered the most important evidence discovery of our generation and was denied credit by bullies...
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Stepping away from Brian Doyle's usual installment of nonsense, there is a really interesting thread going on at the Education Forum for a change involving Craig Bouzarth's work on Zapruder film authenticity. He is battling it out with another guy who is posting giant AI essays arguing for a fake headsnap and other things that seem impossible.
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I've been able to successfully synchronize most of the aftermath footage within a margin of error of +/- 1 or 2 frames (1/24 of a sec) and the minimum time between Zapruder frame 313 and the beginning of Darnell's and Mal Couch's footage is 24 seconds. The work of Dale Myers supports this figure, though I assume most will not believe it simply because of his name, which I find odd.

I find Bart Kamp's claim that Darnell began filming 10 SECONDS after the headshot to be completely hysterical, since my own synchronizations, and Myers' too, have consistently shown it to be impossible for Darnell to have started filming prior to at least 24 seconds after the headshot.

I do not intend to release my synchronizations publicly any time soon because they still lack high quality versions of most footage, and due to certain disagreements I've had before, I am weary of sharing them, but if anyone would like, I can provide copies and/or clips from my synchronizations if necessary.

You're all welcome to disagree with my timing, but I'm not likely to respond, given I don't come on here often, and I find most forums to be rather hostile or mostly unhelpful anyway.

Email me at thejfktheoristmail@gmail.com if needed.

    Thanks for contributing to O/meara's thread here. And thanks for your many "YOU TUBE" videos.
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Let's review the invalid claims that WC apologists have provided so far in this thread.

This thread began with invalid claims.....by YOU.
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-- One WC apologist has made the baffling claim that the HSCA FPP did not place the back wound below the throat wound, even though the FPP said the bullet hit the back at an upward angle (7 HSCA 175), even though the FPP's SBT diagram clearly shows the back wound below the throat wound and shows the bullet traveling upward through the neck (slightly upward, but upward) (7 HSCA 100, Figure 12), and even though the FPP chairman, Dr. Baden, stated and even demonstrated with a wooden pointer stick that the alleged magic bullet hit the back at a point below the throat wound and that its trajectory was upward through the neck (see "Dr. Baden Refuted the Single-Bullet Theory").

-- This same WC apologist, incredibly, has argued that Humes's placement of the back wound is correct and that the HSCA FPP's placement is wrong! In conjunction with this jaw-dropper, he has said that the alleged trajectory through the neck was in fact downward! If you think I'm kidding, allow me to quote him:

This WC apologist is not the first lone-gunman theorist to reject the HSCA FPP's version of the SBT, because most of them realize that the FPP's SBT actually destroys the SBT. This is why every single pro-SBT trajectory illustration ignores the FPP's upward angle of impact and the upward trajectory through the neck. Most SBT believers realize there is no way to make the FPP's SBT trajectory align with the sixth-floor window without making the demonstrably false assumption that JFK was leaning markedly forward when the bullet struck.

-- This same WC apologist has even repeated the long-debunked myth that the rear JFK clothing holes, which were over 5 inches below the collar, align with Humes's placement of the back wound because JFK's coat was bunched when the bullet struck. There is no excuse in 2026 for repeating this demonstrable falsehood, which was exposed as erroneous decades ago.

It isn't necessary for the coat to be bunched in order for the entrance wound to be above the exit wound as Arlen Specter showed in this photo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/WC_Vol18_CE903_SBT_alignement.jpg/250px-WC_Vol18_CE903_SBT_alignement.jpg

This is where you ignore this photo as you've done so many times in the past because you know it refutes your claim that the back entrance wound was below the throat exit wound.
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This WC apologist provides a picture of JFK in the motorcade that shows his coat substantially bunched toward the top, and asks us to make the fanciful assumption that the shirt magically bunched in nearly perfect correspondence with the coat. Leaving aside this specious assumption for now, this apologist surely knows, or should know, (1) that the image he has provided was taken before JFK's limo even entered Dealey Plaza, and (2) that Croft 3, taken at around Z160, shows a lower and more modest coat bunch that could not possibly have caused the rear clothing holes to have been made by a bullet striking above the throat wound.

Moreover, as the apologist should also know, in Willis Slide 5, taken almost immediately after Z190, JFK’s coat is seen to be lying virtually flat on his back. Dr. Josiah Thompson confirmed this by studying the original color slide under a microscope:

I have studied the original slide under a microscope. Although it is not apparent on black-and-white copies, the original color slide shows clearly that the President's clothing was not bunched at the time. . . . (Six Seconds in Dallas, 1967, p. 223)

Yes, this information has been available since 1967, but WC apologists simply refuse to admit it and continue to peddle the ridiculous bunched-clothing theory to explain the fact that the bullet holes in the back of JFK's coat and shirt were over 5 inches below the collar.

I should add that one WC defender, Jim Moore, has been objective enough to admit that the bunched-clothing theory is nonsense. He correctly observes that the shirt and coat would have had to bunch in nearly perfect “millimeter-for-millimeter correspondence” and that the odds against such bunching “boggle the imagination” (Conspiracy of One, 1991, p. 155). Moore also acknowledges that the photographic evidence refutes the idea that JFK’s coat was markedly bunched during the timeframe the SBT supposedly occurred (Conspiracy of One, pp. 154-155).

It is worth noting that the rear clothing holes agree with the T3 location stated in the death certificate (marked "verified"), with the T3 location marked on Dr. Boswell's autopsy face sheet (also marked "verified"), with autopsy radiologist Dr. John Ebersole's description of the wound as being at T3 or T4, with SS agent Glen Bennett's testimony that he saw a bullet hit JFK in the back "about four inches down from the right shoulder," and with FBI agents James Sibert and Francis O'Neill's wound diagrams that place the wound in the area of T3 or T4 (I show their diagrams and the autopsy face sheet in "JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible").
 
This is a good example of the fact that WC apologists here frequently blunder over basic information that has been known literally for decades. Humes himself said that he and Boswell "supervised directly" the making of "these drawings," i.e., CE 385, CE 386, and CE 388:

These drawings were made under my supervision and that of Dr. Boswell by Mr. Rydberg, whose initials are H. A. He is a hospital corpsman, second class, and a medical illustrator in our command at Naval Medical School.

We had made certain physical measurements of the wounds, and of their position on the body of the late President, and we provided these and supervised directly Mr. Rydberg in making these drawings. (2 H 350)


Boswell also present during the drawing, but Humes did most of the directing. Rydberg confirmed this in his recorded interview with William Matson Law. Rydberg also confirmed that after he finished the drawings, Humes, Boswell, and Admiral Galloway reviewed the drawings and agreed that they were a "good representation of what they had seen":

Law: You’re now sitting in the room with your drawing equipment and you have these two doctors in there.

Rydberg: Mainly Dr. Humes. Boswell was always mousy. He was quiet. . . .

He [Humes] was giving me anatomical landmarks, like the head wound – so many centimeters towards the right side. There was an oval entrance to the gunshot wound, and it exited in the parietal and the temporal lobe area. And there was this much of a space in centimeters. And the neck wound was explained the same way. . . .

Law: As he was giving the instructions?

Rydberg: And he was kind of conferring with Boswell: “This is right. This would be about right here,” and Boswell would do his "Yes". . . .

Law: So you just continued to draw?

Rydberg: This was done over two days – a Saturday and a Sunday. On Monday morning they were taken out of the safe and brought up to Admiral Galloway’s office, who is the commanding officer of the whole ball of wax, and we looked at all the drawings, then all three concurred that they were what they needed to go before the Commission. These were all a good representation of what they had seen. (William Matson Law, In the Eye of History: History Disclosures in the JFK Assassination Medical Evidence, 2015, pp. 416-417)


Just to remind everyone, CE 385 places the back wound above the throat wound and shows the bullet traveling downward through the neck, a falsehood that the HSCA FPP refuted.

-- This same WC apologist has just argued that the Connally wrist fragments and thigh fragment could have come from CE 399 because they supposedly had a combined weight of only 2.3 grains, citing Robert Frazier's suspiciously light weight of 0.5 grains for the four wrist fragments, which would mean they were nothing but flakes. 0.5 grains is the weight of two particles of dust, a human eyelash, or a pinch of powder. 

This tale ignores the suspicious conflict between Dr. Gregory's testimony about the number of wrist fragments he removed and CE 842. It ignores the fact that Dr. Robert Shaw, one of Connally's surgeons, said there were more than 3 grains of bullet fragments in the governor's wrist alone (4 H 113). It ignores the fact that the description of the wrist fragments given by the Parkland nurse who handled them (Audrey Bell) debunks the specious weight of 0.5 grains and refutes the claim that they came from CE 399. It ignores the fact that the fragments in CE 842 plainly appear to be too large to have come from CE 399 (which was only missing substance from the bottom of its lead core when it was received by the FBI lab). And it ignores the fact that before they knew what they were supposed to say, both Humes and Finck acknowledged that Dr. Gregory's 11/22/63 operative report described too many bullet fragments to have from CE 399 (2 H 374-375; 2 H 382).

Nurse Bell insisted the wrist fragments were not merely flakes but were identifiable pieces of metal anywhere from 3 to 4 millimeters in length by 2 millimeters wide. When shown CE 842 by the ARRB, she said the fragments in the container were too small and too few in number to represent what she handled on 11/22/63 (Meeting Report, ARRB, 4/14/97, p.2). When the HSCA interviewed Nurse Bell 20 years earlier, in March 1977, she said her best recollection was that there were "four or five" wrist fragments, and she even drew a picture of the smallest of the fragments. (Nurse Audrey: HSCA interview; you can read the transcript of the interview by clicking the "Show transcript" button in the YouTube description field of the audio).

This squares with the recollection of Dr. Shaw. Interviewed for the award-winning 1988 documentary Reasonable Doubt: The Single-Bullet Theory, he said, "I am sure that the bullet that inflicted these wounds on Governor Connally was fragmented much more than this bullet [CE 399] shows." And, again, Dr. Shaw told the WC the same thing, noting that there were more than 3 grains of metal fragments in Connally's wrist alone:

As far as the wounds of the chest are concerned, I feel that this bullet could have inflicted those wounds. But the examination of the wrist both by X-ray and at the time of surgery showed some fragments of metal that make it difficult to believe that the same missile could have caused these two wounds. There seems to be more than three grains of metal missing as far as the -- I mean in the wrist. (4 H 113)

This is a subject for a separate thread, but Nurse Bell's disclosure constitutes just one example of the fact that some documents were falsified by FBI personnel to create false accounts of the handling of evidence and false descriptions of evidence (for more info on this point, see, for starters, LINK, LINK

-- Another WC apologist made the erroneous claim that the HSCA FPP determined the downward angle through Connally to be 45 degrees, even though the FPP's report says the downward angle was 10 degrees. Dr. Shaw measured the downward angle on Connally himself as being 25 degrees, and the WC agreed with this measurement, as I pointed in a previous reply.

Even when I proved to this WC apologist that the HSCA FPP corrected the obvious misstatement in Dr. Baden's report that put the downward angle at an impossible 45 degrees, he still refused to admit his error. Just for the record, let's read once again what the FPP's report says on this matter and see that the downward angle was put at 10 degrees:

Dr. Baden's report comments on the angle of the trajectory:

Positioning the Governor while erect in the anatomic posture shows the missile track to proceed from back to front
downwards at approximately a 10-degree angle for a distance of 12 1/2 inches through the body. (7 HSCA 150)


Personally, I think Dr. Shaw was closer to the mark, but in any case the claim that the downward angle through Connally was 45 degrees is simply absurd.

What your posts lack in quality, you try to make up for in quantity. One of your favorite tactics is to find a dubious argument made by some LN, somewhere, at sometime and act as if refuting that argument refutes the premise you are attacking. You also act as if all LNs are then obligated to defend the dubious argument. We aren't.
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