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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Brian Doyle: Audio Interview With Witness Sarah Stanton's Granddaughter
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 02:22:45 PM »No, I get it Corbett...Finding a Depository employee who witnessed CIA's Mrs Reid exciting the lady employees in order to clear them all out of the 2nd Floor Lunch Room is a big nothing and just my silly-ness...I get it...We can just erase Oswald telling Sarah Stanton "I am going back in the the Break Room to finish my lunch" and disappear it from the conspiracy research record...And then remove me from the record in order to make space for the worst deniers on The Education Forum...We can make James Gordon and Mark Knight the censoring dictators of the JFK internet that have total unaccountable control over this...Unaccountable control that just so happens to come in in favor of the clique every time...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Brian Doyle: Audio Interview With Witness Sarah Stanton's Granddaughter
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 02:16:59 PM »
Corbett is obviously having trouble dealing with the subject matter which is ground shattering, breaks the case wide open, and speaks for itself...However that kind of thing is understandable from nay-saying denial trolls whose objective is to deny any evidence of conspiracy...The people with no excuse are persons like Jim DiEugenio and the main CTer's who have gone out of their way to suppress and ignore this break-through of our generation...
If your discovery is so "ground shattering", why is it that no print or electronic news organizations have picked up on it. Don't you think they would be interested if you had what you claim to have?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 02:13:07 PM »The reason the clique avoids the best enhanced images of the Prayer Man films is because they know they disprove Oswald being Prayer Man...
When I was allowed to post on The Education Forum the felonious administrator James Gordon made a rule that only the best images could be used...Those best images are the enhanced versions of the Prayer Man films that show Sarah Stanton...If Gordon was still administrator Schnapf would be violating Gordon's rule by avoiding obtaining the 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell - which fits the definition of best images...As a matter of fact, when I PM'ed Gordon and told him it was actually the Prayer Man people who were violating that best image rule, that was when I was suddenly banned for life for being "Too indisciplined and insulting and not listening to the rules of evidence when told" (a made up charge that had no merit what so ever of which the Prayer Man people were in violation of not me)...Gordon left off the part where my evidence happened to be correct...Ignoring the gross travesty of all this, Mark Knight ignored the entire evidence part and enforced my life ban for calling Kathy Beckett what she was on the unmoderated McAdams website...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Brian Doyle: Audio Interview With Witness Sarah Stanton's Granddaughter
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 02:00:33 PM »Corbett is obviously having trouble dealing with the subject matter which is ground shattering, breaks the case wide open, and speaks for itself...However that kind of thing is understandable from nay-saying denial trolls whose objective is to deny any evidence of conspiracy...The people with no excuse are persons like Jim DiEugenio and the main CTer's who have gone out of their way to suppress and ignore this break-through of our generation...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New: "Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald"
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Today at 01:53:36 PM »Not surprisingly, when a PSE polygraph analysis was done on a recording of Officer Bentley repeating his belated claim that he found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station, the PSE showed hard stress, a clear indication he was lying.
As mentioned, Bentley said nothing about finding any Hidell ID card on Oswald in his 12/3/1963 report to Chief Curry:
On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)
Bentley was interviewed at around 3:30 PM on WFAA-TV, barely two hours after Oswald's arrest. He told the gathered reporters that he removed Oswald's wallet from his rear pocket and found identification in the wallet for "Lee Harvey Oswald." He said nothing about any other name or any Hidell ID card.
Another police officer who rode in the car with Oswald on the way to the police station was Sgt. Gerald Hill. In his description of the arrest and transfer of Oswald to the police station on NBC TV on 11/22/1963, just a few hours after the event, Hill specified that they identified Oswald as "Lee H. Oswald" after removing his wallet ("billfold"):
Hill: The only way we found out what his name was was to remove his billfold and check it ourselves; he wouldn't even tell us what his name was. . . .
Question: What was the name on the billfold?
Hill: Lee H. Oswald. O-S-W-A-L-D. (CE 2160)
Not a word about any other name or any Hidell ID card.
The same silence about finding any Hidell ID card on Oswald on the way to the police station is seen in the first reports submitted by Officers Bob Carroll and C.T. Walker, both of whom rode in the police car with with Bentley and Hill when Oswald was taken to the police station (CE 2003, pp. 81-82, 91, and 100-101).
Significantly, Justice of the Peace David Johnston seemed to know nothing about Oswald using the Hidell alias or about the finding of a Hidell ID card for at least 24 hours after Oswald was arrested. Johnston issued the search warrant for the search of Oswald's boarding house, spent the next 12 hours "in conference" with police and prosecutors, and presided over two of Oswald's arraignment hearings. In his handwritten report (Johnston Exhibit No. 1), after listing Oswald's name and other information, Johnston wrote that Oswald used the alias "O.H. Lee": "Alias—0.H. Lee." Not a word about a Hidell alias or a Hidell ID card.
Similarly, FBI Agents James Bookhout and James Hosty said nothing about the use of the Hidell alias or the finding of a Hidell ID card in their reports on the Friday interrogation sessions of Oswald (Warren Report, pp. 612-613, 619-620). Hosty and Bookout mentioned that Oswald was asked about the O.H. Lee alias, but said nothing about his being asked about any other alias. Bookhout mentioned the Hidell ID card for the first time in his report on the Saturday interrogation session (Warren Report, p. 623).
Against the clear weight of the contemporaneous evidence that authorities knew nothing about a Hidell ID card until Saturday afternoon, i.e., the afternoon of 11/23/1963, WC apologists cite FBI agent Manning Clements' report, dated 11/23/1963, in which Manning claimed he interrogated Oswald on Friday night and found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet.
Say what?! How could this be? Bentley said he took Oswald's wallet from him during the car ride to the police station, and that he gave the Oswald ID to Lt. Baker when they arrived at the station. Let's read Bentley's 12/3/1963 report again:
On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)
Moreover, DPD detective Richard Sims said he searched Oswald at 4:05 PM on Friday and did not find a wallet or any ID cards (7 H 180). Well, of course not, because Oswald's wallet and its contents, including his ID card, had already been confiscated and booked into evidence:
Mr. STERN. Now, the search in which you participated of Oswald at 4:05 on Friday, just before the first showup [police lineup] -- you have told us that either you or Mr. Boyd found five live rounds of .38 caliber pistol shells, and a bus transfer slip, and an identification bracelet, according to your memorandum -- Oswald took his ring off and gave it to you?
Mr. SIMS. That’s right.
Mr. STERN. Do you recall that?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. Do you remember anything else that was found on Oswald at that time?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don’t remember anything else.
Mr. STERN. A wallet or identification card?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; that had been taken off of him (7 H 180).
Now, leaving aside the preposterous notion that the previous searches of Oswald had somehow "missed" five bullets and a bus transfer slip, we see that by 4:05 PM on Friday Oswald of course no longer had his wallet, which is why Sims found no wallet or ID on him when he searched him. So FBI agent Clements was obviously lying when he said he found a Hidell ID card on Oswald on Friday night, hours after Sims had searched Oswald and hours after Oswald's wallet and its contents had already been confiscated.
Months after Oswald's arrest, some police officers claimed that a Hidell ID card was found in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station and that the Hidell ID was seen at the station after Oswald arrived, while some federal agents claimed that they saw a Hidell ID card on Friday after Oswald was arrested and that they questioned him about his Hidell alias that afternoon or evening. But the contemporaneous record, with the sole exception of FBI agent Clements' fraudulent report, shows that authorities seemed to know nothing about the Hidell alias or the Hidell ID card until some 24 hours after Oswald's arrest, i.e., only after the FBI "discovered" that the supposed murder weapon had been ordered under the name "A. Hidell."
As mentioned, Bentley said nothing about finding any Hidell ID card on Oswald in his 12/3/1963 report to Chief Curry:
On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)
Bentley was interviewed at around 3:30 PM on WFAA-TV, barely two hours after Oswald's arrest. He told the gathered reporters that he removed Oswald's wallet from his rear pocket and found identification in the wallet for "Lee Harvey Oswald." He said nothing about any other name or any Hidell ID card.
Another police officer who rode in the car with Oswald on the way to the police station was Sgt. Gerald Hill. In his description of the arrest and transfer of Oswald to the police station on NBC TV on 11/22/1963, just a few hours after the event, Hill specified that they identified Oswald as "Lee H. Oswald" after removing his wallet ("billfold"):
Hill: The only way we found out what his name was was to remove his billfold and check it ourselves; he wouldn't even tell us what his name was. . . .
Question: What was the name on the billfold?
Hill: Lee H. Oswald. O-S-W-A-L-D. (CE 2160)
Not a word about any other name or any Hidell ID card.
The same silence about finding any Hidell ID card on Oswald on the way to the police station is seen in the first reports submitted by Officers Bob Carroll and C.T. Walker, both of whom rode in the police car with with Bentley and Hill when Oswald was taken to the police station (CE 2003, pp. 81-82, 91, and 100-101).
Significantly, Justice of the Peace David Johnston seemed to know nothing about Oswald using the Hidell alias or about the finding of a Hidell ID card for at least 24 hours after Oswald was arrested. Johnston issued the search warrant for the search of Oswald's boarding house, spent the next 12 hours "in conference" with police and prosecutors, and presided over two of Oswald's arraignment hearings. In his handwritten report (Johnston Exhibit No. 1), after listing Oswald's name and other information, Johnston wrote that Oswald used the alias "O.H. Lee": "Alias—0.H. Lee." Not a word about a Hidell alias or a Hidell ID card.
Similarly, FBI Agents James Bookhout and James Hosty said nothing about the use of the Hidell alias or the finding of a Hidell ID card in their reports on the Friday interrogation sessions of Oswald (Warren Report, pp. 612-613, 619-620). Hosty and Bookout mentioned that Oswald was asked about the O.H. Lee alias, but said nothing about his being asked about any other alias. Bookhout mentioned the Hidell ID card for the first time in his report on the Saturday interrogation session (Warren Report, p. 623).
Against the clear weight of the contemporaneous evidence that authorities knew nothing about a Hidell ID card until Saturday afternoon, i.e., the afternoon of 11/23/1963, WC apologists cite FBI agent Manning Clements' report, dated 11/23/1963, in which Manning claimed he interrogated Oswald on Friday night and found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet.
Say what?! How could this be? Bentley said he took Oswald's wallet from him during the car ride to the police station, and that he gave the Oswald ID to Lt. Baker when they arrived at the station. Let's read Bentley's 12/3/1963 report again:
On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)
Moreover, DPD detective Richard Sims said he searched Oswald at 4:05 PM on Friday and did not find a wallet or any ID cards (7 H 180). Well, of course not, because Oswald's wallet and its contents, including his ID card, had already been confiscated and booked into evidence:
Mr. STERN. Now, the search in which you participated of Oswald at 4:05 on Friday, just before the first showup [police lineup] -- you have told us that either you or Mr. Boyd found five live rounds of .38 caliber pistol shells, and a bus transfer slip, and an identification bracelet, according to your memorandum -- Oswald took his ring off and gave it to you?
Mr. SIMS. That’s right.
Mr. STERN. Do you recall that?
Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. Do you remember anything else that was found on Oswald at that time?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don’t remember anything else.
Mr. STERN. A wallet or identification card?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; that had been taken off of him (7 H 180).
Now, leaving aside the preposterous notion that the previous searches of Oswald had somehow "missed" five bullets and a bus transfer slip, we see that by 4:05 PM on Friday Oswald of course no longer had his wallet, which is why Sims found no wallet or ID on him when he searched him. So FBI agent Clements was obviously lying when he said he found a Hidell ID card on Oswald on Friday night, hours after Sims had searched Oswald and hours after Oswald's wallet and its contents had already been confiscated.
Months after Oswald's arrest, some police officers claimed that a Hidell ID card was found in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station and that the Hidell ID was seen at the station after Oswald arrived, while some federal agents claimed that they saw a Hidell ID card on Friday after Oswald was arrested and that they questioned him about his Hidell alias that afternoon or evening. But the contemporaneous record, with the sole exception of FBI agent Clements' fraudulent report, shows that authorities seemed to know nothing about the Hidell alias or the Hidell ID card until some 24 hours after Oswald's arrest, i.e., only after the FBI "discovered" that the supposed murder weapon had been ordered under the name "A. Hidell."
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Brian Doyle: Audio Interview With Witness Sarah Stanton's Granddaughter
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:09:07 PM »
Sun?...No...Deliberately induced shade by people whose only interest is corrupting good research and accommodating their friends and favorites...
This makes Mark Knight and his lies the ultimate dictator of Kennedy research on the internet...
You know nothing of good research. You focus on the most insignificant things. You have convinced yourself you have made earth shaking discoveries when the reality is nothing you have presented amounts to a hill of beans. Have you ever wondered why nobody takes you seriously?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:04:33 PM »Your explanation ignores the fact the Z-film shows JBC began looking over his right shoulder at Z164
JBC on the other hand told us what he did in reaction to the hearing the first shot and we see him do just that at Z164.
This is a falsehood.
in your delusion you are unaware that we all have access to the Z-film.
The one and only time JBC looks over his right shoulder is after he has been shot @z222/z223.
AT NO POINT BEFORE THIS DOES HE EVEN ATTEMPT TO LOOK OVER HIS RIGHT SHOULDER.
Do yourself a favour and watch the Zapruder film before making any more assinine 'observations'.
This from one of the most deluded contributors on this forum. At Z163 JBC is looking hard to his left.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z163.jpg
At Z164, he starts rotating his head to the right.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z164.jpg
By Z200, just before he disappears behind the sign, his head is turned hard to the right.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z200.jpg
All of this happened in the span of about two seconds.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:55:52 PM »Why didn't BRW notice Oswald scouting these different locations? (I'm assuming you're still using this lame explanation to account for Rowland's observation of the man with the rifle around 12:16pm)
BRW would have been looking out the window.
I don't know where you are going with this. Nothing Rowland, Givens, or BRW said does anything to change the fact that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK from the SE corner window of the TSBD.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Oleg Nechiporenko and the 2025 Russian files
« Last post by Charles Heron on Today at 12:40:03 PM »In the Russian files released in 2025, there's an image of Oswald's 1962 residence permit (page 306 of the PDF), which has a stamp on it which appears to show that he married Marina in 1960, not 1961.
And perhaps coincidentally, in the Russian version of Oleg Nechiporenko's book Passport To Assassination, he quotes from a 1964 report allegedly written by the heads of the First and Second Chief Directorates, containing a list of the documents to be transferred to the Americans relating to the Oswalds. That 1962 residence permit, along with its predecessor, are included on the list. But in the earlier, English version of Nechiporenko's book, which is very different, those two residence permits are missing from that list. They're also missing from the list allegedly included in the Central Committee decree of 23 April 1964, No. 71 in the Russian files.
As far as I know, the 1962 residence permit was released for the first time in 2025.
And perhaps coincidentally, in the Russian version of Oleg Nechiporenko's book Passport To Assassination, he quotes from a 1964 report allegedly written by the heads of the First and Second Chief Directorates, containing a list of the documents to be transferred to the Americans relating to the Oswalds. That 1962 residence permit, along with its predecessor, are included on the list. But in the earlier, English version of Nechiporenko's book, which is very different, those two residence permits are missing from that list. They're also missing from the list allegedly included in the Central Committee decree of 23 April 1964, No. 71 in the Russian files.
As far as I know, the 1962 residence permit was released for the first time in 2025.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Today at 11:54:42 AM »There is no evidence Oswald ever planned to shoot from the SW window. He might have scouted different locations and considered his options. He settled on the the SE window and it is clear that was the best choice because it allowed him to fire directly down Elm St. A shot from the SW window would have given him a difficult cross shot. He might have considered the SW window to see if shooting at the limo as it approached was a viable choice. The results vindicated his choice of the SE window.
Why didn't BRW notice Oswald scouting these different locations? (I'm assuming you're still using this lame explanation to account for Rowland's observation of the man with the rifle around 12:16pm)
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