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                                                                          YOU TUBE

                  "Did The Umbrella Man Signal The Shot That Killed JFK?"    By - WW2 Mememto  (17:19)

            From 10:38 - 11:31  =  a panning sequence showing the Uncropped Bothun Photo. On the (L) it shows Motorcycle Officer Hargis riding away on his motorcycle. On the (R) it shows Motorcycle Officer Haygood just entering the photo. In between these 2 bookends, it shows the Newman family on the ground, Altgens walking DOWN the knoll toward Elm St, Wiegman filming Officer Haygood as he rides down Elm St, The Cuban and Umbrella Man sitting on the retaining wall, the Chism family beginning their sprint across the knoll, etc. This crystal clear image will assist you in your time stamping. Our Forum "photo gallery" also includes this Bothun Photo, but it is nowhere near as clear as this photo is displayed on YOU TUBE. And remember, the earlier a time stamp you apply to the Wiegman footage, the earlier you are also placing this Man walking down the sidewalk that runs from the Shelter to Elm St on the (E) side/TSBD side of the RL Thornton sign.
          The image of Wiegman running toward Zapruder is on the Bell Film BEFORE the still frame you posted.
          For the record, I do not believe that Wiegman was laying on the ground when he filmed the Hester's. Why would he lay down when filming? Do you know of any other time he laid down when filming that day? I also do Not believe that Wiegman ever climbed atop those steps. I believe Wiegman was Standing on the grass just in front of those steps when he filmed the Hester's. After filming the Hester's, Wiegman started moving (W) on the grass in the direction of Zapruder above and in front of him. What we are seeing on the Bell Film is Wiegman is FALLING. The Bell Film shows the Wiegman figure to be in the position of falling toward the ground. Who gets UP from the ground like we see Wiegman on the Bell Film? Nobody does. There are only 2 explanations for Wiegman's body position on the Bell Film still frame you posted. Either Wiegman is: (1) FALLING to the ground, (maybe he tripped?), or, (2) he is willfully DIVING to the ground. Wiegman did say he felt the "compression" of a bullet on his face during his segment on, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" (2003).
          With respect to the Wiegman Film being deemed "filmed continuously" for 30 yrs, we really have no idea what was being viewed on the Wiegman Film during that time period. Dating back, on this Forum, there was a letter posted from Gary Mack directly addressing this "filmed continuously" issue. And remember, NBC has steadfastly REFUSED to release their Original Wiegman Film. Same goes for NBC and their Original Darnell Film.

                                                                      Your Questions

      (1) The Bell Film DOES SHOW Wiegman moving (W) toward Zapruder. Your posted Bell Film still frame is too late to show this.

      (2) As to estimating the time passage between the 2 images due to the "cut/jump", this is why I mentioned Wiegman being in the process of falling to the ground on the Bell Still Frame you posted. How long was Wiegman on the ground, before he got up and then ran down the Knoll to film the Newman Family? This is yet another variable that is Unknown.

     (3) Yes, I agree that Wiegman did move from filming the Hester's to filming the Newman's.

            That Uncropped Bothun Photo shows Officer Hargis riding away as we see Wiegman filming Officer Haygood entering the Bothun photo on the (R). Hargis gave WC Testimony that he left his motorcycle, crossed Elm St, went up to that "little wall", eyeballed the top of the Triple Underpass where he thought a shot came from,  moved to the light pole, eyeballed the TSBD, and then returned to his motorcycle on the other side of Elm St. How long do you believe it took Officer Hargis to do ALL of this? And, I thought we were seeing Officer Hargis still near his motorcycle on the early frames of the Wiegman Film that show the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass?

                                                           Thanks again for tackling this timeline issue.
                                 

   

The guy I've labelled Weigman in the Bell frames I posted is 100% Dave Weigman just after he has finished filming the Hesters. Below is a frame from Weigman's footage.The first thing to notice is how low down this shot is taken from. He is virtually on the same level as the grass. At the bottom of the frame is the concrete of the steps he is laying on.
Further proof it is Weigman is the angle of the shot in respect to the concrete pergola. The pergola structure has six columns at the front. At the time of the shooting the outward faces of two of the columns were in darkness and four of them in sunlight. In the Weigman frame below, the outward face of column A is in darkness and column B in light. Mrs Hesters head is in direct alignment with column A.



In the frame from Bell below I have labelled the same columns A and B. When we draw a line from Weigman to column A it passes through Mrs Hesters head. It is exactly the correct alignment.



I have proven that the figure in Bell is Weigman.
I have proven it with photographic evidence that cannot be disputed.
Can you post the timestamp from the Bell film you pointed me towards (JFK Theorist version) so I can see who you believe Weigman is because there is no-one running towards Zapruder in the Bell film and I can't figure out what you mean.
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This from a guy who has offered no alternative explanation for how the Tague injury occurred. Why don't you give us an alternative theory wo we can compare it to the possibilities that it was caused by one of Oswald's shots. As is the custom for most CTs, you set the bar very high for the LNs and very low for yourself. We are expected to prove every last detail with 100% certainty while you are allowed to speculate while providing no evidence.
If you can, why don't you.

A number of plausible explanations have been offered for how a shot from Oswald's rifle could have continues down range and struck the curb near Tague. Posner has theorized the bullet hit a tree branch. I don't necessarily believe that but I can't logically refute it either. Others have suggested the bullet struck the traffic arm that the limo passed under. Again, not my theory but possible. I lean toward the first shot missing to the right of the limo, ricocheting off the pavement and continuing down range to toward Tague. I used a Google Earth view of Dealey Plaza and it shows a line from the sniper's nest to where Tague was standing passes through the right lane of Elm St. Still others believe that a lead fragment from the headshot passed over the windshield and continued down range toward Tague. Without knowing the exit velocity of those fragments, it's impossible to say whether or not that was possible.

Now let's see your explanations.


You are correct that  a 1st shot before Z224 to the right of the JFK limo, could strike the manhole cover.
However it would have to be high above JFKs head. So that suggests  an inadvertent unaimed shot fired as the TSBD shooter was in the act of adjusting the rifle on the boxes. It seems plausible enough to me but I’m having trouble dismissing the majority witness hearing the 1….2.3 pattern, and Tague seemly more inclined That it was 2nd or 3rd shot.

Seems to me improbable that an MC bullet would break apart after hitting the manhole cover such that a fragment of lead  completely separated from the copper jacket and flew across to the curb, while the remainder of the bullet still in the copper  jacket buried into the grass. Maybe an experiment  is necessary to see if it could happen this way.

Similarly, if no copper trace element was found in the curb and only lead then does not that rule out a 1st missed shot before Z224? Unless…Maybe it hit the road and ricocheting?  :-\  Hmm…possible but It would be almost the same result:a portion of lead separated completely from the copper jacket and flew to the curb, while the Rest of the bullet with copper went into the grass ( or where?)

But if it was the TSBD shooters MC bullet surely they should have found the builet if it buried in the grass. There is no reason not to document that if it was found (unless it was Not an MC bullet?)

So this  leaves the Z313 shot breaking up such that a lead fragment separated  completely and flew to  hit the curb. However if it got over the windshield  then as Andrew Mason noted ( if his math is correct)that the fragment would only be traveling approx 200 ft/ sec ( the parabolic arc physics equation).

So… the only  other possibility is a Z313 a fragment that went just to the left side of Greers head such that the parabolic arc is flattened by not having to go over the windshield, thus the fragment velocity could be much greater, say more like 1000 ft/ sec which with be enough  force of  impact on the curb to explode some  particles of concrete.

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It was John McCain who lost.  Badly. His campaign was a complete disaster.  Anyone involved with that campaign should take up a career other than politics.   Trump won twice with the media and political establishment of both parties doing everything possible to defeat him.  No other person in our lifetime has been able to break the stranglehold that this group has on power.  It's likely no one will do so again.  It's an absolute miracle that Trump won with all those forces against him.  Sparing us a Hillary and Kamala administration.  Disasters that would have brought the country to ruin.

McCain was toast when he turned on Bill Cunningham at that rally. Limbaugh and the rest of talk radio bailed, and it was over with a thud.
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Had it not been for covid and all the bogus mail in ballots Trump would have won easily.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:19:50 AM »
JC-

Yes, you are correct about AI.

In this case, AI-Gemini accurately summarized the historical record on LBJ instructions to Warren and Russell.

You may regard my human intelligence with low regard, and have expressed as much many times, but I used human intelligence to monitor the AI intelligence results.

I regard you as a smart guy, who happens to have different views on the JFKA than me.



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Corbett is pretending to not notice the extensive evidence of a covert background for Oswald and accompanying pattern and interactions...Oswald was the only Marine who was allowed in to the Japanese district where CIA was spooking Russian contacts with Japanese prostitutes at expensive nightclubs...I believe what was really happening there was Oswald was offering to become a double agent in order to get bona fides before his "defection" to Russia...

Now all you need is actual evidence Oswald had any accomplices in the assassination.
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Still waiting for someone to explain how Oswald knew about the obscure Swiss Albert Schweitzer College...

Was that some kind of classified information?
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Corbett is pretending to not notice the extensive evidence of a covert background for Oswald and accompanying pattern and interactions...Oswald was the only Marine who was allowed in to the Japanese district where CIA was spooking Russian contacts with Japanese prostitutes at expensive nightclubs...I believe what was really happening there was Oswald was offering to become a double agent in order to get bona fides before his "defection" to Russia...

Still waiting for someone to explain how Oswald knew about the obscure Swiss Albert Schweitzer College...
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It could mean; removed, received or recovered
 ::) It does not say "removed"

You're right it doesn't. It has a misspelled word and all we can do is take an educated guess as to what word they meant to type. I did just discover that on the first page of this thread, you chose to correct "recoved" to "removed" so apparently you thought that was most likely what they meant. Removed or recovered would pretty much mean the same thing in this context. Of the three possibilities you listed, "received" seems to be the farthest removed from "recoved" spelling wise. We would have to believe they typed "o" where they meant to type "ei". Received would have a much different connotation than removed for recovered.
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I tend to believe 50% of the official story the rest not so much.

Tell us which half you don't believe and why.
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Of course, it matters.  ???

Tell us why it matters. Tell us why either placement of the entry wound refutes the finding that Oswald fired the shot into the back of JFK's head.
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