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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / A question for John Corbett
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 10:40:32 AM »
Dear John,

Based on someone's "jiggle analysis" of the Zapruder film, you seem to believe Oswald fired his missing-everything shot at Z-148.

Question: Was anyone in Dealey Plaza or in the limo caught on film consciously reacting to said shot about a second later, i.e., around Z-166?

-- Tom

PS We know that JFK stopped waving and quickly turned his head to his left in Z-144, and that at about the same time, Secret Service Agents Glen Bennett and George Hickey started leaning over in the back seat of the follow-up car -- Bennett to around Dave Powers after hearing what he thought was a firecracker, and Hickey to look down at the pavement where he thought a firecracker had exploded near the limo.
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First, the Ripley's affidavit, which you claim is fake (without support), does indeed "identify the notary".  The signature is there for all to see.  We have verified that the I.O. Fowler was a notary in Texas at the time.  We know his full name and where he worked, etc... More to come (once we have all of our ducks in a row).

Last month, we did confront Frazier with the affidavits.  More to come on that, too.

Patients Grasshopper.  And stop being so fcukin' hateful.

You've already had three months to verify....

You sound like Trump. Stop being evasive and delaying and simply present the evidence that the "affidavits" are authentic!

The mere fact that you feel that holding you to the same standard you constantly demand from others is being hateful says everything anybody needs to know about you.
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Have I at least overcome "the propinquity" discounting? I opened this thread in an deliberately uncomplicated way.

1. Three names, George Bush, Tom Devine, Priscilla Johnson Macmillan

2. Tom Devine's wedding announcement, followed by a 1955 article on the back ground of Devine's "best man," William B. Macomber, Jr.

3. The 1940 roster of the house mates of A.U.V., a Phillips Andover secret society, highlighting three names,
George Bush, William B. Macomber, Jr., Edward Gordon Hooker (step-nephew and later business partner of George DeMohrenschildt.)

4. Out of this simple, three step introduction, DeMohrenschildt somehow became an "unknown" to Tom Devine and to his close Rochester friend, Joseph F. Dryer, Jr., and those two friends, even to each other, except for their good luck of holding separate meetings with DeMohrenschildt literally hours apart in NYC on or about April 25, 1963, two weeks after DeMohrenschildt was aware Lee Harvey Oswald had shot a rifle at Edwin Walker through a window in the latter's Dallas home! To top it off, Tom Devine's M.I.T. frat house mate, Garry Coit, is assigned to handle Priscilla Johnson MacMillan.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=52102#relPageId=7&search=nattily




April 25, 1963 meeting : Tom Devine AKA WuBriny/1 DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=8627#relPageId=2&search=knickerbocker
And
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=8627#relPageId=6&search=knickerbocker
always a pleasure re-reading your old posts, Tom.  Perhaps one day, when the big AI in the sky is done, we can enter your findings/data into the hive mind of the New Man and see what it sees.  For instance, the source of George’s “did you take a pot-shot at Walker” quote….. 
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Oh, dear, TG doesn't react well when caught with his pants down and egg on his weenie, does he?

Dear MGFPR,

Do you often find yourself thinking of weenies?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 03:30:34 AM »
Since TG's OCD requires us to live with two Mary Woodward threads, I guess I will have to post my insightful contributions on both, to wit:

We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots. Now she first thought the shots had come from "above and possibly behind" her. Then she thought they might have come from the overpass. All she can really say is that the shots came from above her head. She had seen five or six people on the overpass, and this may be why her "first reaction" (what?) was to look there. However, she never saw anything in the hands of those people.

She's worthless.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0269b.htm

Dear MGFPR,

Your "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" vis-a-vis Woodward's 11/23/63 DMN article reeks, as usual, of gaslighting desperation.

-- Tom
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We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots. Now she first thought the shots had come from "above and possibly behind" her. Then she thought they might have come from the overpass. All she can really say is that the shots came from above her head. She had seen five or six people on the overpass, and this may be why her "first reaction" (what?) was to look there. However, she never saw anything in the hands of those people.

She's worthless.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0269b.htm

Dear MGFPR,

What happens to traumatized peoples' memories over time regarding what it was that traumatized them, especially if it occurred over about 10.2 seconds (the length of time from "Z-124" to Z-313), occurred close to them, affected them viscerally, and occurred in a confusing, chaotic context?

More clarification with time?

In Mary Woodward's case, traumatized though she was, she managed to write down correctly, a couple of hours after the assassination, the fact that the first of three shots sounded like a backfire to her, that it missed everyone, that JFK and Jackie turned their heads in response to it, and at some point JFK and Jackie waved to her and her colleagues.

Question:

When's the last time you saw, from fifty feet away, or so, the head of a friendly acquaintance of yours -- maybe even the most powerful person in the world -- get blown off by a high-powered rifle shot?

Did it traumatize you, MGFPR?

If that's never happened to you, do you think it might traumatize you if it did -- or would you just "suck it up" and go drink some more bortsch and/or vodka?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 03:01:21 AM »
Since TG's OCD requires us to live with two Mary Woodward threads, I guess I will have to post my insightful contributions on both, to wit:

We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots. Now she first thought the shots had come from "above and possibly behind" her. Then she thought they might have come from the overpass. All she can really say is that the shots came from above her head. She had seen five or six people on the overpass, and this may be why her "first reaction" (what?) was to look there. However, she never saw anything in the hands of those people.

She's worthless.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0269b.htm
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:56:34 AM »
Wipe that egg off your weenie and pull your pants back up, you're starting to embarrass yourself worse than usual.

What she got RIGHT, at least insofar as her location goes, was in 1993 and 2015. What she got absurdly, completely WRONG was MINUTES AFTER THE JFKA. If her statements in 1993 strike you as problematical, then you must think her 1963 article was correct. Hello? Or is it "Mary was soooooooo traumatized, dude, that she forgot where the hell she was and made numerous other misstatements based on being at that location, but by God she was rock-solid on her description of the shots" - hello, really, ya think?

What a bizarro. Let it go.

Dear MGFPR,

Why are you so riled up?

-- Tom
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We have failed to mention wacky Mary's FBI interview of 12/7/63. It's clear she crossed from Houston to Elm. Nothing about the grassy knoll. It conveniently omits the timing of the second and third shots. Now she first thought the shots had come from "above and possibly behind" her. Then she thought they might have come from the overpass. All she can really say is that the shots came from above her head. She had seen five or six people on the overpass, and this may be why her "first reaction" (what?) was to look there. However, she never saw anything in the hands of those people.

She's worthless.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0269b.htm
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  STEVE - Remember that there are Very Young Newbes to the JFK Assassination among us. They might think your visual aid/pic above was actually taken on 11/22/63. In the future, please attach some sort of disclaimer to posted pics that were Not taken on 11/22/63. PS - (The background scenery is way off)

 
 Thanks much, Royell.  I corrected my mistake of forgetting to include he caption.
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