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The Warren Commission said it was "not probable" that the shot to the back occurred "before Z210." (Not probable being another way to say "not impossible").

Dear FPR,

It's not impossible that [fill in the blank].

-- Tom
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Because the proprietary copyrights still lay with NBC...

The real question here is why would a research community that is pretending to seek the best copies intentionally avoid the 6th Floor Museum copy when it is the best extant copy that has already proved its worth by showing the dress neckline?...And why are we not allowed to ask this question on The Education Forum?...

   Do you know if NBC has validated the Darnell Film copy that the Sixth Floor Museum currently has?  At this point, "Prof G. William Jones" claims to have made a Darnell Film "1st generation film-to-film copy" and the Sixth Floor Museum currently has that "1st generation film-to-film copy". One man's "word" regarding the bona fides of this Darnell Film copy inside the Sixth Floor Museum is simply Not sufficient.
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It was 9 PM and this was presumably his first-ever assassination attempt. He ran after one shot. I would think that "darkness" and "nervousness" might be as relevant as any technical issue.

In a long thread about the damage to the window at the Ed Forum three years ago, Steve Roe also suggested the nervousness explanation, and Walker himself apparently suggested darkness was a factor:

My best guess is he felt pressured and may have rushed the shot somewhat. There were the two guys walking around in the LDS parking lot, and he might have noticed or heard them and rushed the shot, even though he used the lattice opening as a gun rest. Walker had his own explanation that through the scope with a lighted room background, he may not have seen the window frame clearly. Can't rule that out either.
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We have estimates of the supposed first shot ocurring "not at all" and at umpteen different places after the turn into Elm. The Warren Commission said it was "not probable" that the shot to the back occurred "before Z210." (Not probable being another way to say "not impossible"). The HSCA: "Taken together with other evidence, the photographic and acoustical evidence led the committee to conclude that President Kennedy and Governor Connally were struck by one bullet at approximately Zapruder frame 190." The FBI said from the get-go and in its final report that JFK had been hit by two shots and JBC by a different third shot, and the Secret Service concurred. John Orr, Josiah Thompson and apparently the three Parkland doctors who treated JBC have him being struck around Z236. JBC himself seems like an extremely credible witness, yet he counts for nothing. As with so many aspects of the JFKA, this sounds suspiciously more like a Rorshach test than an objective analysis. How much of when people think JFK and JBC were hit is agenda-driven?
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Quoting Common Sense
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 05:51:28 PM »
It's easy (I know, because I've done it) to lob "common sense" LN sound bites at CTers because of their love of fantastically complex JFKA and cover-up scenarios. The CT community is its own worst enemy in this regard. That's why my threshold question is always "Does that make any real-world sense at all?" Often, the answer is no.

But there are CT scenarios that the LN sound bites really don't fit. They aren't ridiculously implausible. They don't violate common sense. If the CT community would focus on these and the most problematical aspects of the LN narrative, it would do itself and serious research a big favor. Alas, it seems that many CTers just can't help themselves.

Likewise, it's easy to lob CT sound bites at those who think the JFKA starts and ends with the WC and Bugliosi. EVEN IF THE LN NARRATIVE IS CORRECT, the WC was a badly flawed, agenda-driven "investigation" that is almost entirely responsible for what has transpired ever since. For multiple reasons, it was nothing like an objective, fact-finding investigation. If I were a LN advocate who wanted to be taken seriously, I would banish the WC and Bugliosi from my vocabulary. Alas, it seems that many LNers just can't help themselves.

It is just astonishing how closely JFKA discussions parallel religious debates. They never go anywhere either, for precisely the same reasons. The fundamentalists, heretics. cultists and atheists just talk past each other.
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Looking at the backyard photos, I don't see a scope on the rifle. It might be due to the camera angle but I don't think he had the scope on the rifle when those photos were taken. Whether he used the iron sights or the scope when he shot at Walker, a shot just 2.4" inches high might have made the difference between a clean shot at Walker's head and striking the sash. I think that is a far more likely explanation for the high shot than recoil. The amount of recoil that occurs before the bullet leaves the barrel is negligible and is mostly rearward, not upward. AI describes this much better than I would:

"Yes — a rifle does recoil before the bullet leaves the muzzle, and this movement can affect accuracy.

When the trigger is pulled, the expanding gases from the burning powder begin pushing the bullet down the barrel. By Newton’s Third Law of Motion, the rifle experiences an equal and opposite rearward force almost immediately

. High‑speed videos (100,000+ frames per second) have captured this: the barrel and rifle system move backward while the bullet is still traveling through the bore, even through a suppressor


The bullet’s barrel dwell time — the time it takes to travel from the chamber to the muzzle — is extremely short, often around 0.0006–0.0007 seconds for a 24‑inch barrel at ~3000 fps

. However, the rifle’s inertia means it accelerates more slowly than the bullet, but it still moves during that time. In one calculation, a rifle could move about 0.06 inches rearward during that dwell period

. This movement can cause the muzzle to point slightly off the initial aim point, especially if the rifle is not perfectly supported or if the shooter’s body shifts."

Recoil would have more effect on subsequent shots when firing rapidly but it would not explain Oswald's miss when he shot at Walker. The M-14 was a full-auto version of he M-1 Garand. They soon discovered the problem when firing it in full auto since it used the same .30-06 cartridge. Few soldiers could hold the weapon on target. They found that the first round would be on target, the second, slightly high, the third over the head of he target and by the fourth round, it was an anti-aircraft gun.

The BAR was also a fully automatic weapon that fired the .30-06 round but because it was so much heavier than the M-14, it was much easier to control the recoil.


Looking at the backyard photos, I don't see a scope on the rifle.


The black shirt camouflages the black scope. But it is definitely there. It helps to be looking at a good quality photo. This one is from the Sixth Floor Museum.




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Because the proprietary copyrights still lay with NBC...

The real question here is why would a research community that is pretending to seek the best copies intentionally avoid the 6th Floor Museum copy when it is the best extant copy that has already proved its worth by showing the dress neckline?...And why are we not allowed to ask this question on The Education Forum?...
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In my pursuit of debunking the Greg Parker-originating Prayer Man theory I discovered, with Richard Gilbride, that one of the Prayer Man films was freely available at the Brooklyn Library in the 1970's...Also, Southern Methodist University film professor G William Jones managed to make a 1st generation film to film copy of Darnell that is now currently available at the 6th Floor Museum and, I am certain, would be sent by said institution to the Luna Task Force if requested...So the Prayer Man films were not tightly held in the past...The main bottleneck is the Prayer Man hijackers who have managed to channel everything through themselves and the crooked Mary Ferrell managers who work with them...

If we look at The Education Forum and JFK podcast community, they are very much trying to ignore the progress of the correct evidence on Prayer Man and are consciously using intentional censorship and persecution to avoid admitting the correct evidence...They are using banning (and false reasons for banning) to avoid allowing any discussion that practices the implied "debate" The Education Forum encourages...Any correct evidence that demands a response is met with shunning, ignoring, and silence - all achieved by the cowardly device of blocking/banning and organized group dishonesty...Although they claim to practice the highest level of academic discussion they have a mob that they turn you over to when you out-argue them on the evidence...Even when the main gate-keeper offending moderator is removed the Prayer Man gang and its proxies still maintain that censorship...

   The opening :20 seconds of the Darnell Film that was released by the Sixth Floor Museum, was done with the permission of NBC. Why would the Sixth Floor Museum need NBC's permission to release that :20 seconds of the Darnell Film, if their Darnell Film came from "professor" G. William Jones? It's "arrangements" such as this that cause people to distrust the JFK Assassination Films. And the same goes for the Sixth Floor Museum. There is No Substitute for the Original Film(s).
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Now that I'm rereading it, I cannot believe that no one has mentioned Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why by Gerald McKnight. McKnight was a serious academic, and this book is widely regarded as one of the two or three absolute best CT tomes. McKnight doesn't go off on any wild CT tangents but simply provides a pretty devastating alternative perspective on the WC and the events swirling around it.

-Lance-

I thought about it (I read it couple of years ago) but think the learning curve is quite steep for a new student of the case. Same goes for dr. John Newman's Oswald and the CIA.

There is a mind-boggling array of books on the assassination. Just to pick six for a newbee is not easy.
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I'd change that to the first seven chapters. The first chapter doesn't even mention the issue of Ruby's Mafia ties. But, yes, chapter 1 is a good starting point to understand the original lone-gunman theory.

I would include the HSCA's extensive and historic research into Jack Ruby's Mafia ties and how Ruby entered the basement to shoot Oswald. These were two areas where the HSCA showed what a joke the WC's investigation was. 

Meagher's book has too many errors for me to recommend it to a newcomer. In some cases, she severely distorts the primary sources that she cites. She does make many valid points, but she also makes quite a few errors.

A solid choice. As a former Senate investigator, Weisberg was a very careful scholar. He was also honest. He turned on Garrison when he realized that Garrison was incompetent and unethical.

My two copies of Crossfire both have endnotes. I'm not sure which edition you have. The updated 2013 edition has endnotes, including in the Kindle version.

Most of Marrs' research on the JFK case was credible.

Oh, Thompson's updated version of Six Seconds in Dallas, his 2020 book Last Second in Dallas, is much better. It includes over 100 pages on the historic new research that was done by BBN scientists on the acoustical evidence, including the PCC test by Dr. Richard Mullen that proves the gunshot impulses on the dictabelt were recorded during the assassination. Thompson also makes very good use of the historic ARRB disclosures regarding the autopsy evidence.

- Michael -

You're quite right, I overlooked the parts regarding Jack Ruby and the fact that the Dallas Police Department allowed their prime suspect to get lynched. It always troubled me that Ruby was allowed to be in the parking garage during the 'aborted transfer' of Oswald, that not a single police official recognized him and told him to leave. It is most unfortunate. A trial could have provided many answers.

The 'joke' of the Warren Commission can be explained, at least in part, by the geopolitical circumstances of the time. Remember LBJ telling Earl Warren about the 40 million American dead within an hour? The Warren Report offers a political solution to the crime. Another handicap was the complete reliance on FBI and other federal agencies and the lack of independent investigators.

The version of Crossfire that I own was made available to me as a free PDF and has no notes whatsoever. Now that I know there is a version that includes end notes I will try and acquire it. Thanks for the heads up.
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