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so it’s Sean Murphy’s prayerman or raff sink’s doorwayman.  any other possibilities? 
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Anyone who doubts the pair are Lovelady & Shelley is just in self-deceiving denial...

The single piece of 'evidence' identifying the men as Shelley and Lovelady is the doctored image Bart Kamp "sharpened".
It is this single piece of highly questionable 'evidence' you have based your identification on.
Unfortunately, you lack the courage to admit this, which is in keeping with the way you have conducted yourself on this forum.

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I'll say this right now, we won't be getting any Darnell or Wiegman film from NBC, no, it's not because Mr.Conspiracy is blocking access or something, no, it's because usually news agencies only sell their footage, not to us civilians, no, but to directors, people in the film or documentary industry who want to license the footage, and usually for a fortune, so just to recap, it's not because the CIA is hiding sh*t, it's because only industry companies can license it.
In short, F#ck the United Press International television news, F#ck AP, rats like those gatekeep stuff like the high quality muchmore film and the news films.
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Although I agree with all of the above, one has to look at the evidence to determine which shot struck Tague and which shot struck the windshield. It was likely the same shot.

The windshield was hit from the front. We have eight witnesses, including a doctor, two federal agents, and two police officers, who saw a hole in the windshield. Dr. Glanges saw the hole minutes after the shooting when she saw the limo outside Parkland Hospital. One of the police officers who saw the hole at Parkland even stuck a pencil through it.

In addition, the lone-gunman shooting scenario cannot explain the round dent in the chrome above the rearview mirror. The WC suggested the dent may have already been present before the shooting, but this idea was debunked decades ago with photographic evidence from the previous motorcades in Texas. 

It wasn’t the first shot. Tague said that. 20+ witnesses said that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot. The Connallys, supported by Powers, Greer and Hickey, establish that the second shot struck JBC in the back/right armpit. Greer noted a “concussion” effect of something impacting in the car on the second shot. 40+ witnesses said the second shot was closer to the third shot than the first. Greer and Hickey provided testimony that support a second shot just before z280 fitting a second shot between z271 and z272.

It definitely wasn't the first shot.

And that is not inconsistent with Oswald firing all three shots.

Oswald didn't fire any shots. NAA testing of the paraffin cast of Oswald's right cheek shows he did not fire a rifle on 11/22/63. PSA/VSA analysis of Oswald's televised statements at the police station that he didn't shoot anyone indicate he was telling the truth.

And, there were more than three shots, as the Zapruder film alone proves to anyone who is willing to acknowledge what their eyes can plainly see.

"Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film"

The numerous witnesses who reported hearing shots from the grassy knoll and/or four or more shots were not dreaming.



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The logic of prayerman is oswald’s rifle, it would seem. hey Brian, for all you do, this thread’s for you!
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I agree that the preponderance of evidence is that there were three shots.  However, according to the HSCA there were at least 17 people who said there were two shots or could recall only two shots and 7 said two or three shots. 6 said four shots, 7 heard 1, 5, 6, or 8 shots.  9 were not sure how many shots there were.

You would like to count all those who said they heard three shots with two rapid shots at the end as having heard only two shots. That may be what Jack is suggesting.

There are 50 eyewitnesses who stated there were two shots and another 20 eyewitnesses stating the second shot was the headshot followed by a shot after the car accelerated. A study of the rapid double shot at the end would only serve to increase the number of two shot witnesses.
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You seem to think you are in the mainstream here. The reality is you are the outlier. You are a one-percenter. That's about how many people think there were only two shots. Far more people think there were more than 3 shots than think there were only 2. From the beginning, the earliest reports said 3 shots were fired at JFK's motorcade. That was the consensus of the people who were in Dealey Plaza. Specific witnesses, JBC, Bennett, Williams, Jarman, and Norman said there where 3 shots. The physical evidence indicates there were 3 shots. For some idiotic reason, you choose to believe Oswald started with an spent shell in the chamber even though there is no evidence of that, only your silly assumption.

It is so obvious. Maybe don't try so hard to solve a simple problem. Everyone believes there were two shots. Prove there was a third shot. You question the reliability of witnesses but only based on your limited reasoning.

Maybe the answer lies in the practice of dry firing a rifle.

If the witness statements are too much for you to analyze, then how about stop torturing them.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 06:56:50 PM »


   Wanda Daniel told me Sarah was embarrassed by her obesity and would often stay in the shadows...

    In his sworn statement Billy Lovelady said Stanton was in the Prayer Man spot "to the far right side of the entranceway"...
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The Education forum is avoiding the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell because they don't want to admit the female dress neckline on Prayer Man...

I don't see Kamp rushing to bring that up now that he has regained his membership...

   This is why guys like you need a hobby. You obsess over every little thing.
   With respect to Prayer Man, YOU need to go back to the beginning. What put this person in that spot? This person is Not standing there to "watch" JFK, Jackie, or the motorcade on the whole. There is Not a worse place to stand if you want to watch the JFK Motorcade coming down Houston and/or going down Elm St. This person obviously wants to remain out-of-sight. Probably grabbing a quick/clandestine smoke before going back to work. Women smoking was not common in 1963, and there were cigarette packs that were 98% White then too. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 06:28:10 PM »

The clique has dishonestly established the Prayer Man theory as the cutting edge of the conspiracy and are using it to stymie further research...It is literally the most important evidence issue because of this...You can tell by the way The Education Forum desperately guards the theory with censorship and banning that they consider it important...

Disproving the Prayer Man theory (like I have done) creates progress where we are then forced to establish what the correct evidence is...Since Mrs Garner did not see Oswald walk across the 4th Floor staircase landing that means the only other place Oswald could be is the 2nd Floor Lunch Room where, literally, ALL the witnesses saw him...Where Hosty admitted that was where Oswald told them he was, where Carolyn Arnold saw him, where Oswald told Sarah Stanton he was going, and where Frazier said a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple were seen on the table after the assassination...
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