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Name the Parkland doctors who thought it was an entrance wound.

The autopsy concluded that it was an exit wound. The SBT reasonably explains what happened to that bullet after it exited the throat. So, if you are unable to come up with an alternative reasonable explanation as to what happened to the bullet that exited the throat then you are essentially conceding to the SBT.

Why is it that just about every LN constantly wants others to prove his opinion wrong, instead of proving their opinion is the right one?

Actually, IIRC, at the autopsy they initially considered the throat wound to be caused by a tracheotomy. They didn't consider it an exit wound until after receiving information from Parkland after the autopsy has been completed.

How can I be able to come up with any kind of explanation about a bullet the exited the throat when I am not even convinced that a bullet actually exited the throat?
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Do you ever stop posting such transparently dishonest, ridiculous dodges?

Quoting the most relevant portion of a four-page source is not quoting "out of context." I doubt that you even know what that term actually means. What "context" could change the obvious meaning of Agent Taylor's statement that "representatives from Dr. Burkley's office at the White House, William Martinell and Thomas Mills, inspected SS-100-X"? Huh? What? Tell us. Do you think Taylor wrote elsewhere in his report that he was only kidding when he said Mills and Martinell inspected the limo?!

It is just juvenile ignorance and silliness to imply that my quote from Taylor's statement is somehow suspect because I "left out a chunk of the affidavit." Every time anyone quotes a paragraph from a book, they are "leaving out a chunk of the book."

Oh, and "inspected" is "not the same" as "searched"?! Really?! Sheesh, just how silly and foolish can you get? I mean, really, this is the kind idiotic dodging you'd expect from a teenager who couldn't bring himself to acknowledge something he didn't want to admit.

FYI, the terms "inspected," "examined," and "searched" are used interchangeably in zillions of investigative documents when referring to things such cars, rooms, areas, drawers, compartments, etc. Indeed, Taylor said that Secret Service agents Paterni and Boring also "inspected" the limo, and he said this in the same paragraph and sentence as the one I quoted! The ellipses I inserted replaced this statement. Let's read:

At 10:10 p.m., Deputy Chief Paterni, ASAIC Boring, and representatives from Dr. Burkley's office at the White House, William Martinell and Thomas Mills, inspected SS-100-X.

You can confirm this yourself by reading page 2 of Taylor's report, which you can find here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/16573650/TaylorAff

As you probably don't know, Paterni and Boring were the ones who found the two bullet fragments in the front of the limo. They found the fragments when they "inspected" the limo! Paterni was the one who handed the fragments over to FBI agent Orrin Bartlett, who in turn took them to the FBI lab and gave them to the FBI's Robert Frazier (3 H 435).

Paterni and Boring never claimed to find skull fragments and a misshapen bullet in the limo, because they didn't. Mills and Martinell found them. Paterni turned over the items that he found, i.e., the two bullet fragments, to the FBI, while Mills and Martinell took the items that they found, i.e., the skull fragments and the deformed bullet, to the autopsy, as they were instructed to do.

You have provided no documentation that supports your remarkable claim that Mills and Martinell found the skull fragments and deformed bullet. In fact, it makes no sense. If all the Secret Service agents found was the fragmented bullet, why would they bother calling Bethesda about that since they turned those fragments to the FBI. Are we supposed to believe they call Dr. Young at Bethesda as said, "We searched the limo but all we could find was a fragmented bullet on the floor. Why don't you send a couple guys over to find out if we missed anything.". Of course that is a silly take. The only reason for the Secret Service to contact the autopsy team at Bethesda would be if they were the ones who had already found the bone fragments. Your claim that Mills and Martinell found both the bone fragments and a whole bullet are your inventions.
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LOL! Is this a serious question? Really? "Why," you ask? Umm, because the two Navy NCOs were the ones who found the bullet and the skull fragments, because they were under orders to bring to the autopsy what they found in the limo, and because they were acting on orders given by a Navy O-6 who was the chief aide to the White House doctor, the chief aide to the personal physician of the President of the United States! Gee, ya think?!

A perfect example of circular reasoning. Your claim that the NCOs found the bullet and bone fragments is supported by your claim that they were the ones who searched the limo for evidence and that claim is supported by your claim that they were the ones that found the bullet and fragments.
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BTW, what happened to your nonsensical argument that the Secret Service never would have let Mills and Martinell search the limo? Huh?

Search and inspect are not synonyms. The latter could be done with just a casual look at the limo. The former implies a more thorough look through limo. It should be noted that Taylor's affidavit was made in 1976. He said it is based on personal observations AND discussions with the other agents. We don't know how much he personally observed and how much had been told to him. His affidavit says this happened on November 22, 1973 which is obviously a typo but let's not quibble.

Finally, why do you keep using the dishonest term "fragmented bullet" to describe the two bullet fragments found in the front of the limo, when those fragments constituted less than half of the mass of a bullet?  [/quote]

Now who's quibbling.
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CE 567 weighed 41.5 grains. CE 569 weighed 21 grains. The two fragments combined weighed only 62.5 grains. But, the average rifle bullet weighs between 150 and 180 grains, and a WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullet weighs 160.8 grains.

In other words, the two bullet fragments found in the front of the limo constituted only 39% of the mass of the kind of bullet that Oswald allegedly used, and constituted no more than 42% and as little as 35% of the mass of an average rifle bullet.

Tell us why that matters.

The bottom line is that the document you provided are the recollections of Taylor made in 1976. We don't know how much of it is based on his personal observations and how much is made from what he had been told by others since he stated both as sources. He wasn't involved in the search for and recovery of evidence. His job was to provide security. He tells us only that the NCOs inspected the limo, not that they did a thorough search of it for evidence. That had already been done by other Secret Service agents. The only reason for them to have called Bethesda in the first place is that the bone fragments had already been found. At no time does Taylor tell us that Mills and Martinell were the ones who found the bone fragments and a bullet. There is no record of Mills or Martinell ever saying they searched the limo and found the bone fragments and a bullet. These are all assumptions you have made based on Young's assumption that the NCOs had returned with a bullet in addition to the bone fragments. Nobody at Bethesda, other than Young, ever stated a bullet had been delivered to the autopsy team at Bethesda.

This is what you constantly do. You take a morsel of truth and then weave fantastic, sinister tales based on the flimsiest of evidence to support your silly beliefs that there was a massive cover-up regarding the assassination of JFK. You've been doing this for 35 years and it hasn't amounted to a hill of beans and you know it. You've never proven JFK died as a result of a conspiracy and you never will. 35 years of futility hasn't discouraged you at all. You will continue your great snipe hunt until your dying days and none of it will ever matter.
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It was common knowledge in the bar district of New Orleans that Clay Shaw went by the alias Clay Bertrand...
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Boring did not find one the two bullet fragments in the front of the limo. Paterni found one. Thomas Mills found the other.

https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/11653#relPageId=5

That disagrees with other sources on the finding of the two fragments, but I think it's most likely accurate, and it is further confirmation that Mills and Martinell searched the limo.

It doesn't really change anything. The autopsy doctors were frantically trying to find a whole bullet, but they had no need for anymore bullet fragments. So it makes complete sense that Paterni took the two fragments and gave them to the FBI and that Mills and Martinell took the two skull fragments and the bullet to the autopsy and gave them to Dr. Young.

It's worth repeating that Dr. Young mentioned the finding of the bullet in his 11/23/63 "What Price a Rose?" handwritten essay, in his December 2000 letter to President Ford, and in his third 2001 oral history interview.
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As you probably don't know, Paterni and Boring were the ones who found the two bullet fragments in the front of the limo. They found the fragments when they "inspected" the limo! Paterni was the one who handed the fragments over to FBI agent Orrin Bartlett, who in turn took them to the FBI lab and gave them to the FBI's Robert Frazier (3 H 435).

Boring did not find one the two bullet fragments in the front of the limo. Paterni found one. Thomas Mills found the other.

https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/11653#relPageId=5



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I have no idea. I'm not even sure that a bullet exited Kennedy's throat.
Parkland's doctors thought the throat wound was an entry wound.

Name the Parkland doctors who thought it was an entrance wound.

The autopsy concluded that it was an exit wound. The SBT reasonably explains what happened to that bullet after it exited the throat. So, if you are unable to come up with an alternative reasonable explanation as to what happened to the bullet that exited the throat then you are essentially conceding to the SBT.
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Why do you always clip your sources out of context? Why didn't you post the entire affidavit or a link to it? Inspected the limo is not the same as searched the limo. Because you left out a chunk of the affidavit, we are left to guess at the context.
You might or might not have confirmation the two NCOs searched the limo but since you only posted a portion of the affidavit, we are left to guess at that. What you don't have is any confirmation they found a bullet and took it with them to Bethesda. Why would the Secret Service have kept a fragmented bullet and let the NCOs take a whole bullet with them to Bethesda. Are we supposed to believe that the Secret Service searched the limo and missed a bullet that was later found by the NCOs? Do you ever think things through?

Do you ever stop posting such transparently dishonest, ridiculous dodges?

Quoting the most relevant portion of a four-page source is not quoting "out of context." I doubt that you even know what that term actually means. What "context" could change the obvious meaning of Agent Taylor's statement that "representatives from Dr. Burkley's office at the White House, William Martinell and Thomas Mills, inspected SS-100-X"? Huh? What? Tell us. Do you think Taylor wrote elsewhere in his report that he was only kidding when he said Mills and Martinell inspected the limo?!

It is just juvenile ignorance and silliness to imply that my quote from Taylor's affidavit is somehow suspect because I "left out a chunk of the affidavit." Every time anyone quotes a paragraph from a book, they are "leaving out a chunk of the book."

Oh, and "inspected" is "not the same" as "searched"?! Really?! Sheesh, just how silly and foolish can you get? I mean, really, this is the kind idiotic dodging you'd expect from a teenager who couldn't bring himself to acknowledge something he didn't want to admit.

FYI, the terms "inspected," "examined," and "searched" are used interchangeably in zillions of investigative documents when referring to things such as cars, rooms, areas, drawers, compartments, etc. Indeed, Taylor said that Secret Service agents Paterni and Boring also "inspected" the limo, and he said this in the same paragraph and sentence as the one I quoted! The ellipses I inserted replaced this statement. Let's read:

At 10:10 p.m., Deputy Chief Paterni, ASAIC Boring, and representatives from Dr. Burkley's office at the White House, William Martinell and Thomas Mills, inspected SS-100-X.

You can confirm this yourself by reading page 2 of Taylor's report, which you can find here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/16573650/TaylorAff

As you probably don't know, Paterni and Boring were the ones who found the two bullet fragments in the front of the limo. They found the fragments when they "inspected" the limo! Paterni was the one who handed the fragments over to FBI agent Orrin Bartlett, who in turn took them to the FBI lab and gave them to the FBI's Robert Frazier (3 H 435).

Paterni and Boring never claimed to find skull fragments and a misshapen bullet in the limo, because they didn't. Mills and Martinell found them. Paterni turned over the items that he found, i.e., the two bullet fragments, to the FBI, while Mills and Martinell took the items that they found, i.e., the skull fragments and the deformed bullet, to the autopsy, as they were instructed to do.

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Why would the Secret Service have kept a fragmented bullet and let the NCOs take a whole bullet with them to Bethesda.

LOL! Is this a serious question? Really? "Why," you ask? Umm, because the two Navy NCOs were the ones who found the bullet and the skull fragments, because they were under orders to bring to the autopsy what they found in the limo, and because they were acting on orders given by a Navy O-6 who was the chief aide to the White House doctor, the chief aide to the personal physician of the President of the United States! Gee, ya think?!

BTW, what happened to your nonsensical argument that the Secret Service never would have let Mills and Martinell search the limo? Huh?

Finally, why do you keep using the dishonest term "fragmented bullet" to describe the two bullet fragments found in the front of the limo, when those fragments constituted less than half of the mass of a bullet?

CE 567 weighed 41.5 grains. CE 569 weighed 21 grains. The two fragments combined weighed only 62.5 grains. But, the average rifle bullet weighs between 150 and 180 grains, and a WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullet weighs 160.8 grains.

In other words, the two bullet fragments found in the front of the limo constituted only 39% of the mass of the kind of bullet that Oswald allegedly used, and constituted no more than 42% and as little as 35% of the mass of an average rifle bullet.
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What happened to the bullet that exited Kennedy's throat? Where did it go after exiting the throat?

I have no idea. I'm not even sure that a bullet exited Kennedy's throat.
Parkland's doctors thought the throat wound was an entry wound.

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As I point out in my article "Where Was Oswald During the Shooting?", since Oswald was seen by Eddie Piper on the first floor at noon, and since Williams was on the sixth floor at noon to eat his lunch, the only time Oswald could have gone up to the sniper's nest was after Williams left the sixth floor at 12:15 or 12:20, but Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald on the first or second floor at 12:15 or 12:20.

And on and on we could go.

None of this, even if true, negates the finding that Oswald was in the sniper's nest firing the shots at 12:30. The times given by Williams and Arnold are nothing more than guesses. The fact they said 12:15 or 12:20 means they are unsure of the times. Do you think people make a habit of time stamping every little event in their lives. If you passed a co-worker in a hallway, would you make note of the time it happened? Of course you wouldn't. If somebody asked you later what time you saw that person, anything you said would be a guess.

For the sake of argument, let's say Williams did leave the 6th floor at 12:20 and Arnold did see Oswald on a lower floor at 12:20. That still leaves Oswald 10 minutes to get to the 6th floor get ready to shoot JFK. I tend to doubt either of the time estimates are accurate but neither precludes Oswald from being the shooter on the 6th floor at 12:30 which the body of evidence firmly establishes.
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The SBT is based on the evidence. I could present it to you but I know that you would never accept it as proof that the SBT should really be known as the Single Bullet Fact.

A lot of things can be called evidence, without it actually proving anything.

We're told by them that the wound in Kennedy's back, or back of the neck, does not line up with the wound in the throat from a shot fired from the Southeast window of the 6th floor of the TSBD

That may be, but aren't you basically saying that it does line up, without providing conclusive evidence for it?

We're told that the bullet could not have created all of the wounds that the SBT proposes it did and end up in the condition it did.

Do you have any evidence that the bullet could have created all the wounds? And what poof do you have to show that CE399 is that actual bullet?

My take is that you guys are wrong on all accounts.

You are entitled to your opinion

A strong case against the SBT does not exist.

There doesn't have to be one. It's the SBT that needs to be proven and as far as I can tell that hasn't been done - beyond presenting it as a theory and calling it a "fact" - since 1963

What happened to the bullet that exited Kennedy's throat? Where did it go after exiting the throat?
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