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Mitch McConnell is probably not dead but he is certainly not Woke.

I know a lot of MAGA people have been highly critical of Mitch McConnell but we as a nation owe him a debt of gratitude for blocking the appointment of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. That paved the way for Trump being able to nominate Neil Gorsuch to replace Antonin Scalia, keeping a conservative majority on SCOTUS.
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JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:34:44 PM »
The Litwin article is well done.  Bugliosi’s rebuttal of Lattimer are hard to dismiss. But the real problem is with a shot through JFK at z223-224. It strains credulity to suggest that JFK could have gone from smiling and waving at the time he was hit to a position and expression 200 ms or less later of this:


That may have been another reason Bugliosi wasn’t persuaded by the Lattimer theory.

All of your beliefs strain credulity.
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This comes from the Sibert-O'Neill report on the autopsy. It is not in the autopsy report. According to Sibert and O'Neill, at one point Humes voiced the view that the back-wound bullet hit at a 45-60-degree downward angle. Obviously, either Humes was unbelievably incompetent or he could not have been looking at the back wound seen in the autopsy photo of the wound. The wound in the autopsy photo has an abrasion ring around it that is wider on the bottom half than on the top half, proving an upward trajectory at the time of impact, as the HSCA FPP correctly noted:

A red-brown to black area of skin surrounds the wound, forming what is called an abrasion collar. It was caused by the bullet's scraping the margins of the skin on penetration and is characteristic of a gunshot wound of entrance. The abrasion collar is larger at the lower margin of the wound, evidence that the bullet's trajectory at the instant of penetration was slightly upward in relation to the body. (7 HSCA 175)

Dr. Spitz had already made the same point, in writing, four years earlier in his report to the Rockefeller Commission:

There is no doubt that the bullet which struck the President’s back penetrated the skin in a sharply upward direction, as is evident from the width of the abrasion at the lower half of the bullet wound of entrance. The term "sharply upward direction" is used because it is evident from this injury that the missile traveled upwards within the body. (Report of Werner Spitz, 4/24/75, p. 1, Rockefeller Commission papers, see https://websites.umich.edu/~ahaq/correspondence.pdf)

Could Humes have been so utterly incompetent as not to recognize that an abrasion ring that is wider on the bottom than on the top proves the bullet struck at an upward angle? I don't think Humes was that incompetent. Finck surely recognized what the abrasion ring indicated. Yet, not surprisingly, this crucial information never made it into the autopsy report, just as the 6.5 mm object and the high fragment trail did not make it into the autopsy report.

Humes was not a forensic pathologist so his lack of knowledge about what an abrasion ring indicates is perfectly understandable. He was asked to perform a task he was not adequately trained for. The mistake was failing to have the autopsy performed by an experienced forensic medical examiner. I don't know who made that call but apparently they deferred to Jackie's choice of having he autopsy performed at a Naval facility. I can't imagine any other widow of a homicide victim being offered such a choice but that is what happened. It was a silly mistake but one we can't undo and will just have to live with the results.
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While a cameraman will involuntarily jiggle his camera in response to hearing a rifle shot, it is not the only thing that will cause a jiggle so additional observations need to be factored in. Since the distance from the muzzle to Zapruder's ears would have been a constant for all three shots, we should expect a similar lag time between the shot being fired and Zapruder's response. We can start with the most obvious, the head shot, which struck at Z313. That shot traveled 88 yards. Estimating the average velocity of the bullet over those 88 yards, it would have taken 0.132 seconds for the bullet to reach JFK's head. Each frame of the Z-film covers 0.055 seconds so that equates to slightly more than 2 frames of the Z-film which would indicate the bullet was probably fired at Z311. It could have been fired late in the exposure of Z310 or even during the brief gap between Z310 and Z311 when the film would not be exposed. That establishes that the bullet was fired in the Z310-311 window. Advancing forward, we find a significant blurring at Z318. If that blurring was caused by Zapruder's reaction to the gunshot, that establishes a lag time of between 7 and 8 frames between the firing of the shot and Zapruder's reaction. It would be nice if that number were and integer, but that's a bit unrealistic to expect that. We can work with the approximation.

With the lag time established at between 7 and 8 frames between the shot being fired and Zapruder's reaction we can move on to the second shot. We see a significant blurring of frame Z227. Using the 7 to 8 frame difference between the shot being fired and Zapruder's reaction, that tells us the shot was fired in the Z219-220 window. That shot would have traveled roughly 190 feet to reach JFK's back. Again using an estimated 2000 fps velocity, that means it would have struck roughly 1.75 seconds latter, so sometime in the Z221-222 window. I lean toward Z222 but since we are working with estimates Z221 is a possibility. Either way, in rapid succession we see JBC's jacket bulge at Z224 and the simultaneous upward arm movements by JFK and JBC at Z226. This is powerful evidence that both men were hit during this time frame.

Moving on to the first shot, JBC shows a visible reaction at Z164. We don't know what JBC's lag time was between hearing the shot and his reaction, but Z164 gives us a good starting point. If we work backwards from there, Z158 shows blurring and for years I thought that was when Zapruder reacted but had I looked back a few more frames, there is more pronounced blurring at Z155 which seems to be the more likely time of Zapruder's involuntary reaction. That would indicate a shot in the Z147-148 window. 

Since we have no visual evidence of a bullet strike for the first shot, we have to recognize that the Z155 jiggle might have been caused by something other than a gunshot, but given its proximity to JBC's reaction, I think the preponderance of evidence leans to the first shot in the Z147-148 window. Some have argued that the first shot was fired was fired before Zapruder resumed filming.  While I cannot logically rule that out, it would require us to believe JBC reacted very slowly to the sound of the first shot. Some have actually argued they can pinpoint a theoretical Zapruder frame had he been filming the entire time. I'm not sure how they could do that with no visual evidence but I'll leave it to them to explain how they could pinpoint such a shot. 
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JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:48:44 PM »

Let's say, for argument's sake, there was an "upward angle back wound", where would that shot have come from and when, in the Z-film, did it happen?

I don't know why I overlooked this before but Oswald was not firing downward at 60 to 70 degrees at the time the single bullet struck. At Z225, the closest exhibit to the time the single bullet struck, the angle to the rifle was 20 degrees. That would mean the slope on JFK's back would only have to be greater than 20 degrees to create an upward angle of entry. Since the area above the shoulder blades already has a natural slope to it even whan a person is sitting or standing perfectly upright. Due to JFK's bad back, he would tend to hunch his back slightly to relieve pressure on his spine. He would not have to be leaning or hunching over much to create a greater than 20 degree slope in his back.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/pdf/WH18_CE_895.pdf
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I told Morley about Wanda Daniel and her witnessing of Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald hiding on the 2nd Floor staircase waiting for Mrs Reid to clear out the 2nd Floor Lunch Room in a telephone call and he strongly responded "It is hearsay!"


Hmm...
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There's still a problem for me - that was overlooked here - in that Zapruder himself said he heard two "bangs" or shots, two loud noises. If a third shot (which would have been the first in the sequence) caused a involuntary jiggle as he panned/filmed the assassination then it seems obvious that he would have recalled *hearing* that stimulus or noise that caused it. So he would have said he heard three shots/bangs. But again he didn't.

Is it conceivable Zapruder jiggled the camera in response to a loud noise, a gunshot, but not remembered hearing that noise?

We've gone round-and-round on this issue - as with many others - and it seems that this is more confirmation bias/motivated reasoning then anything reasonably objective. How do we distinguish between a response caused by a shot and one resulting from Zapruder simply jiggling the camera on his own as he wobbled on the pedestal?

A HSCA "blur analysis" (Hartman and Scott) came up with these results. They included Luis Alvarez's separate analysis. Question: What caused the circa 190 blur? The second largest?

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A few follow-up points:

I found a video of Doug Weldon's presentation on the windshield damage at the 1999 JFK Lancer conference. In the presentation, Weldon spends some time talking about the damage visible in Altgens 6 while showing an enlargement of Altgens 6 on the jumbo screen (which appears to be about 6 feet tall and 10 feet wide). The segment starts at 1:40:34 in the video.

Doug Weldon JFK Assassination Conference Presentation: Kennedy Limousine

Since there is no windshield damage in Altgens 6, that makes the whole presentation irrelevant.
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I'm citing Weldon's presentation in part to show that we've known for many years that windshield damage is visible in Altgens 6.

Why do you keep saying "we"?
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Part of the evidence of a hole through the windshield is the fact that Kennedy had two small holes in his right cheek. Tom Robinson, one of the morticians, noticed the holes and plugged them to keep them from leaking embalming fluid. He didn't notice the holes until he started the embalming process and saw embalming fluid leak through them and saw a slight discoloration them begin to appear in them.

A number of scholars have suggested that small particles from the windshield shot hit Kennedy's right cheek, and that a larger glass fragment hit him in the throat. The glass fragment would have been hard to see on the chest x-rays and could have easily been missed. Also, the glass fragment's range would have been limited, which could explain the damage to the right lung slightly below and to the right of the throat wound.

Anyone who would come up with something that silly is no scholar. I do like how you throw that word around loosely to try to give these clowns credibility. It isn't working.
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BTW, Robinson told the HSCA that he saw a small wound in the area of JFK's right temple. No wonder his HSCA testimony was sealed. (It was released by the ARRB in the 1990s.)

Not surprising given it's proximity to the exit point.
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2] The man in the image I posted is also wearing a plaid shirt and, most definitely, not the white shirt Molina was wearing.
3] During his WC testimony Molina is specifically asked if a girl had come up while he was on the steps and mentioned the President being shot, to which he said "no". This alone proves it wasn't Molina. When asked about Gloria he mentioned nothing about being on the steps. He specifically states he was in the lobby when he interacted with her. Molina's WC testimony does preclude him from being the man on the steps. As does the lack of white shirt:

Mr. BALL. Had somebody come up and said the President was shot before you saw Truly go in?
Mr. MOLINA. No.
Mr. BALL. Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.


The two men fast-walking up the Elm Street extension are Lovelady & Shelley...

The man in front of Calvery can be further examined by obtaining the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell and applying high tech digital enhancement...

The Couch/Darnell clip is a 4 second long series of frames...Your image here denies us the best frame of Molina and his bald pate...Frankly I don't trust your image and I'm not sure photo shop games haven't been played with it in order to merge Lovelady in with it...The JFK research community is dysfunctional and corrupted...It operates in a way that prevents evidence being examined instead of honestly pursued...I need that 1st generation copy in order to look at the highest resolution examples of this man...I assure you he is Molina...



When did Frazier say this?
During his WC testimony he seems to be just guessing what Shelley and Lovelady did. He doesn't seem to really know.


Frazier said it in one of his interviews or statements...He said that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...Calvery had told the pair what she had seen at the Knoll and that inspired them to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...They then went back inside the Depository through the west side doors to the 1st Floor...Adams & Styles had gotten out the rear before they came back in...I think you are well aware the timing for that little talk at the base of the stairs is shown perfectly in Couch/Darnell where Calvery is climbing the stairs at just the right distance from that talk as are Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension at just the right distance from that talk... 


Reed or Hicks. It doesn't really matter but if you feel from your interview of Reed that it might have been her that's good enough for me.
I'm still pretty sure you said something else but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
For what it's worth, you had left this forum not long after I was getting involved. I thought the Prayer Man cult was pure nonsense and it seemed to me the only real candidate was Sarah Stanton. When I expressed this I was surprised by how vehement the opposition was to this notion. There were a lot of insults but the main one was the 'new Brian Doyle'. I get the impression I was supposed to be really offended by this.


I don't know what you are talking about...My emphasis on this board has always been that the Davidson Enhancement clearly showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man...It is out of my control if people want to play games with that obvious conclusion...Reed told me when she got to the passenger elevator the electricity for it was off and it didn't work...Very important evidence that none of the so-called serious researchers were even interested in...As long as it comes from me, no matter how important, the clique demands it be ignored...Not very credible...


LATER EDIT: How do you reconcile the WC testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady with the identification of the men on the extension. This is what really disproves the identification so I would like to hear how you navigate it.


Barry Ernest explains it best...The authorities got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and change their departure from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to scuttle Victoria Adams' witnessing...Adams & Styles clattered by on the 2nd Floor staircase landing on their way down and out...Oswald heard that noise and got up from his seat in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and went to the Vestibule door window for that Lunch Room...Oswald was standing there stationary watching the stairs when he saw a police officer emerge on to the staircase landing...He was startled by this and flinched back from the Vestibule window and retreated in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop instincts and he pursued Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Both Baker & Truly saw Oswald's lunch on the table and knew he was in there the whole time - which is why Baker broke off without saying anything and started up the stairs...Baker hems and haws in his Commission testimony on how exactly he saw Oswald because he knows he can't tell this true version because it exonerates Oswald...Proof this is correct is the fact the Warren Commission never asked either Truly or Baker "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time during the assassination?"...This cracking of the conspiracy is desperately kept off The Education Forum...I'm not sure that forum isn't a den of spooks trying to look like researchers...
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A few follow-up points:

I found a video of Doug Weldon's presentation on the windshield damage at the 1999 JFK Lancer conference. In the presentation, Weldon spends some time talking about the damage visible in Altgens 6 while showing an enlargement of Altgens 6 on the jumbo screen (which appears to be about 6 feet tall and 10 feet wide). The segment starts at 1:40:34 in the video.

Doug Weldon JFK Assassination Conference Presentation: Kennedy Limousine

I'm citing Weldon's presentation in part to show that we've known for many years that windshield damage is visible in Altgens 6.

Part of the evidence of a hole through the windshield is the fact that Kennedy had two small holes in his right cheek. Tom Robinson, one of the morticians, noticed the holes and plugged them to keep them from leaking embalming fluid. He didn't notice the holes until he started the embalming process and saw embalming fluid leak through them and saw a slight discoloration them begin to appear in them.

A number of scholars have suggested that small particles from the windshield shot hit Kennedy's right cheek, and that a larger glass fragment hit him in the throat. The glass fragment would have been hard to see on the chest x-rays and could have easily been missed. Also, the glass fragment's range would have been limited, which could explain the damage to the right lung slightly below and to the right of the throat wound.

BTW, Robinson told the HSCA that he saw a small wound in the area of JFK's right temple. No wonder his HSCA testimony was sealed. (It was released by the ARRB in the 1990s.)




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