JFK Assassination Forum

The animation came from a computer program "JFK Reloaded" from which I created the 4 separate POV's and composited them into a single GIF. The reason I showed each view at a stationary angle as the Limo passed, was to show the corresponding angular velocity and therefore demonstrate the difficulty in tracking the shot.

JohnM

I tried this shooting simulation and I found it very difficult to hit JFK twice. I think it took me like 5 attempts because an early miss and the limo speeds up as this programmed driver DOES react correctly . He steps on the gas and gets the limo out of there fast instead of : “Lets almost stop the limo cause Im a little hung over  from parting last night till 2am in the morning and  I wasn’t thinking clearly
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I found the easiest method was to shoot Greer the driver with a 1st shot asap which causes the limo to come to a stop and  then it was easier with only a 2nd shot to hit a stationary JFK. The SS agents didn’t react any faster than in the Z film  so IDK if thats a programmed mistake since reaction by SS agents Clint  Hill might have been faster if the driver was hit by a 1st shot. However, it still takes about 3 secs to reach JFK which would be enough time for an aimed 2nd shot at the stationary target  …, unless JFK reacts faster and ducks down in only 1 sec from hearing 1st shot and seeing driver hit.

   ALEX - Thanks for clearing this "Original Wiegman" issue up. I have seen the You Tube Video you posted from inside a Groden Storage Unit. Groden was with you. You did this awhile back. Can you tell us what you might have seen inside that storage unit that was Not included in your presentation?  That storage unit looked very ramshackle.  Do you know/think Groden might have other storage unit(s) with more important JFK images/information squirrel'd away inside it? Thanks for ALL the JFK work product that you post on You Tube. I hope you post on this forum more often. You have a young/fresh perspective.

Groden has several storage units packed full of stuff. In that particular one in that video, he has most of his 16mm and 35mm copies of all of the films. I have an inventory that he made of all of the most important ones. In another storage unit, he's got probably 50+ boxes of unmarked VHS tapes of various things. I know he would tape every news special and documentary that aired on TV. He's also got some U-Matic tapes of scans from his film copies of things, as well as the master/original tapes of several of his TV appearances. If I remember correctly, he has the master tape of his March 6, 1975 showing of the Zapruder film on Good Night America.

I'm being intentionally vague, because his wife asked me to remove all of the images and videos I had posted of inside his house and storage units since he wasn't in the best health, and I think they were scared that someone will want to break in to steal his stuff. There's also just some items he has that I cannot talk about publicly, at least not while he's alive. I'm writing a biography on Groden that will detail most of what everyone wants to know which is to be released after his passing.

Thanks for the compliments. I'm trying to post on forums like this more to clear certain things up regarding Groden, among other things, but I don't always remember to look here, and it doesn't help that I keep forgetting my login info.

A bit off topic, but FYI, the tape I posted about 3 years ago with all of that WBAP footage (including the complete Darnell film), I got that from Groden, and although the quality of the footage is less than ideal, I was able to confirm that the tape was made from the 6th Floor Museum's 16mm 1st gen copy of the Darnell film. I got access to a more extended version of their 2K scan of that 1st gen copy, and it has all of the same footage in the same order, and has the same yellow-ish color to it (I'm still uncertain what exactly caused that color).

Sorry to ramble on about things, but I figured you all would want to know a lot of this about Groden, etc.

Hi all,

I talked with Groden's wife, who informed Jeff Morley of Groden having the Wiegman film. It's all a big misunderstanding. Groden has a 1st gen copy FROM the original, and when told this, Morley immediately demanded Groden gift it to him, which he politely declined to do.

Although Groden has an extraordinary collection of photos and films, some of which I'd never seen before, he doesn't have every original film as people accuse him of. I can't say much as to what he DOES have, but to be absolutely clear, he doesn't have the original Wiegman film. Now, I'm sure he would love to have it, just like the original Nix film, because both would resolve so many issues with the photographic evidence, but he simply doesn't have them.

Hopefully this clears things up, although I know it probably won't.

Thanks,
-Alex Harris
aka "The JFK Theorist"

   ALEX - Thanks for clearing this "Original Wiegman" issue up. I have seen the You Tube Video you posted from inside a Groden Storage Unit. Groden was with you. You did this awhile back. Can you tell us what you might have seen inside that storage unit that was Not included in your presentation?  That storage unit looked very ramshackle.  Do you know/think Groden might have other storage unit(s) with more important JFK images/information squirrel'd away inside it? Thanks for ALL the JFK work product that you post on You Tube. I hope you post on this forum more often. You have a young/fresh perspective.

I agree that one doesn't need Zapruder's camera to make the case against Oswald. 

But Zapruder's camera was silent and it did not have great resolution.  If Zapruder's camera had sound, better resolution and a steady tripod, the zfilm might have perfect recall.  In any event, you are relying on witnesses to support an early missed shot.  The zfilm does not show that without an interpretation based on preferred witness evidence.

The Z-film alone gives us clues as to when the first shot was fired without using any witnesses. We see JBC turn to look over his right shoulder at Z164. Here's where a CORROBORARED witness can come into play. He said he turned in response to hearing the first shot which he recognized as the sound of a high powered rifle. The film and JBC's statement jibe. Without JBC's statement it would be hard to determine that his turn to look over his right shoulder was a reaction to the first shot. The fact the film and his statement jibe strengthens the probative value of both. In addition we have Rosemary Willis running alongside the limo. She begins to slowdown during the Z160s and when she comes to a stop, she turns and looks back to the TSBD. She later said she did that upon hearing a gunshot. She didn't testify before the WC but was called by the HSCA. None of this is proof positive as to when the first shot was fired but taken as a whole, it is probative of a shot prior to Z164. If we add to that the blurring and frame jump in Z155, it is a strong indication of a shot around Z147-148.

If we don't read the reactions of JBC and Willis as evidence of a gunshot, there is nothing in the Z-film that would tell us when Oswald's missed shot was fired.  That is why the WC never determined which shot missed. They allowed that it could be the first, second, or third shot.

The case against Oswald can be made on the forensic evidence alone without a single eyewitness.

Your opinion. Good to know