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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 10:20:47 PM »

Euins was sitting on the same curved concrete wall that Howard Brennan was sitting on.


That's him directly above Robert Croft in Z-170. His head is visible above the tree/bush.





He can also be seen at the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, sitting on the pillar at the left end of the wall.


   You obviously have Never watched "The Lost Bullet" (2011). In that National Geographic sponsored presentation, an adult Amos Euins stand directly next to the pedestal that Toni Glover and her Mom stood atop. Euins demonstrates how he hid behind that same pedestal immediately after witnessing shots being fired from the TSBD sniper's nest. This is NOT the same pedestal, behind Croft, or even close to the same area that you are referring to. That kid sitting on the other end of the wall, behind Croft, is Not Amos Euins.
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The south storm drain would have been an entirely logical choice for a shooting position. It provided concealment, an excellent view of the target, and a secure means of escape. It would have been the logical choice for a skilled assassin.

Yet, WC apologists howl and scoff whenever the south storm drain is mentioned as a possible shooting location. They prefer to believe, or say they believe, that the one and only shooting location was the sixth-floor window, never mind that the back wound and the rear head entry wound do not even come close to aligning back to that window, and never mind that the ammo that hit JFK's head could not have been the ammo that the supposed sixth-floor gunman allegedly used.

I would agree that at the sewer at the end of the  fence there could have been a gunman there because that’s the location that Lee Bowers the rail yard tower operator saw 2 men lingering around. It’s the location where smoke was seen and it’s where that crowd of people and the motorcycle cop rushed up the hill.

It’s a ground level elevation rather than a high elevation  so the vertical angle change is minimized. It is just enough to the left of the approaching limo to have a shot at JFK without JC blocking the LOS.

However if this is a 2nd shooter location and the 1st shooter was the TSBD then the Oswald as Patsy plan must have been an after event conspiracy to avoid investigation of any 2nd shooter.

Or Oswald was actually part of a  2 shooter team,  he being the 6th floor TSBD shooter who bungled his getaway plan  and he had to be shot dead by Ruby for that reason.

The 2 shooter scenario is a low probability imo because it really only requires one skilled shooter to have assassinated JFK if given 3 shots to do it. And I’m not even sure why Dealey Plaza was selected and a position in the TSBD on the 6th floor chosen since it would have  been much easier to shoot JFK while he was standing stationary giving a speech at some other place before he ever got into a limo.

All I can figure why  Dealey Plaza might have been selected as the place for a multiple gunman execution was because it was at the end of the traveling route and the mastermind conspirator (LBJ?) had a pathological disdain for JFK and desired a place so the spectacle execution would be filmed and photographed from all directions.


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 09:22:06 PM »
To me, the most interesting part of your 11/22/63 story is your Not recalling Amos Euins being crouched down behind that pedestal that you and your Mom were standing atop. And your also detailing that your Mom and yourself actually moved down along that cement cap that surrounds the water pool, in order to get down on the ground. Euins claimed on, "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic Special, that after he witnessed shots being fired from the TSBD 6th Floor Window, he immediately crouched down behind that same pedestal that you and your Mom were standing on top of.  Euins Not being down behind that pedestal, also taints his detailed description of seeing shots being fired from the TSBD 6th floor window.

Euins was sitting on the same curved concrete wall that Howard Brennan was sitting on.


That's him directly above Robert Croft in Z-170 and Z-176. He's wearing his light-colored jacket and his (Black) head is visible above the tree/bush.





He can also be seen at the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, sitting on the pillar at the left end of the wall.



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Not true. JFK und JBC both flipped their arms upward at the same instant. Z226, less than 1/4 second after they were both struck.

Is screwed up by wining in my first sentence what the HSCA should have concluded and writing in my second sentence what it did conclude -- that JFK and JBC were both hit by the same bullet in Z-190, they both somehow had approximately two-second-long delayed reactions, and JFK reacted a little more quickly than JBC.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 08:56:44 PM »
Lots of witnesses said JFK reacted to the first shot. (paraphrased)

News Flash:

JFK DID react to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot.

He stopped waving and quickly turned his head to his left starting in Z-143.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z143.jpg
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Yesterday at 08:18:13 PM »
Bennett said he heard a noise that "reminded me [him] of a fire cracker", looked at "the Boss", saw a shot hit JFK,  then heard a third shot. Three shots. Do you think the fire cracker noise wasn't a shot?

From his notes:

"At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker [SHOT ONE]. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed fire cracker, looked at the Boss's Car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder [SHOT TWO]; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head [SHOT THREE].



Bennett did not see two shots hit JFK. He saw where the first shot had hit JFK and then heard and saw the shot that hit JFK in the head. Two shots total. He does not mention in his notes a third shot, just a second shot.

Bennett's statement is the same as Hill's, Kinney's, Landis, Roberts, Hickey's. There is a very large group of eyewitnesses who either stated there were two shots or a shot after the headshot which Altgen's assured the WC that there was not a shot after the headshot.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 07:25:56 PM »
Bennett said he heard a noise that "reminded me [him] of a fire cracker", looked at "the Boss", saw a shot hit JFK,  then heard a third shot. Three shots. Do you think the fire cracker noise wasn't a shot?

From his notes:

"At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker [SHOT ONE]. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed fire cracker, looked at the Boss's Car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder [SHOT TWO]; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head [SHOT THREE].


He says he heard a noise and immediately looked and at that exact time “saw a shot that hit”. He does not describe any time between the noise and seeing the shot. And he mentions a second shot striking the head. At best it is ambiguous. The real problem is that the WC did not examine him to clarify what he meant. Most described the last two being close, not the first two.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:55:37 PM »
They would have a much greater chance of losing their job by lying about what happened. Besides, it wasn’t just secret service agents who said that JFK reacted to the first shot. Powers, O’Donnell reported it as well, along with many others. Here is the list:
1. Nellie Connally
2. David Powers
3. Ken O’Donnell
4. Pierce Allman
5. Clint Hill
6. George Hickey
7. Sam Kinney
8. Emory Roberts
9. Paul Landis
10. Gayle Newman
11. William Newman
12. John Chism
13. Faye Chism
14. James Altgens
15. Abraham Zapruder
16. T.E. Moore
17. Linda Willis
18. Cecil Ault
19. Harold Norman
20. Malcolm Summers
21. Mary Moorman
22. Jean Newman
23. Charles Brehm
24. James Templin
25. Ernest Brandt

A nice compilation of people who got it wrong.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Yesterday at 05:48:29 PM »
He mentions only two shots in his notes.
That is where you are simply wrong. Tell that to a military intelligence officer figuring out what is about to happen based on random pieces of information, none of which can be trusted by themselves but all having something in common.
Yes. Silly people who sit as judges and juries…
Bennett said he heard a noise that "reminded me [him] of a fire cracker", looked at "the Boss", saw a shot hit JFK,  then heard a third shot. Three shots. Do you think the fire cracker noise wasn't a shot?

From his notes:

"At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker [SHOT ONE]. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed fire cracker, looked at the Boss's Car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder [SHOT TWO]; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head [SHOT THREE].

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:13:31 PM »
He mentions only two shots in his notes.
BS. His notes say the same thing as his report. He heard the first shot while scanning the crowd on the right. He turned to look at JFK and saw the next two shots strike him. [/quote]

That is where you are simply wrong. Tell that to a military intelligence officer figuring out what is about to happen based on random pieces of information, none of which can be trusted by themselves but all having something in common.
Yes. Silly people who sit as judges and juries…
[/quote]

What do you know about military intelligence?

For that matter, what do you know about intelligence?
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