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The Trask book can be viewed online here (you'll need a free account to fully access it): https://archive.org/details/thatdayindallast0000tras_k3b5/page/28/mode/2up

Here's the photo from page 29. It's white flowers.



And zoomed x 300:



Thanks Steve.





JohnM
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Why do Jake's Guy and the guy next to him look like they are both wearing hoodies? I don't recall anyone wearing hoodies in 1963. Are they time travelers, in which case they perhaps would have been invisible to the others on the bridge (but not to the camera, which is not fooled even by time travelers)? I congratulate Jake for finding an image where, yes, I can actually see a guy, and yes, he actually does seem to be holding something. It looks like the way a press photographer would be holding a large format camera, but why would time travelers be using large format cameras - unless, perhaps, they are time travelers from the past?
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I didn't avoid the image evidence. I told you that I could see the pareidolic "face" at 29:30. Alas for you, neither I nor pretty much anyone else who has looked at this pareidolic face thinks it looks like our beloved Lamb Chop. Actually, at first blush I thought the image posted by Jack White looked more like Lamb Chop than your pareidolic flower face, It took me about 30 seconds to realize "Wait a minute, that's the purse of a woman on the sidewalk."

Bugiloisi (BOO! HISS!) says the following in his endnotes in Reclaiming History (BOO! HISS!):

Jean Hill took a lot of ribbing for telling reporters in a national TV interview shortly after the shooting that President and Mrs. Kennedy were looking at a little white dog on the seat between them as the car came abreast of Hill’s position. In later years, conspiracy theorists tried to restore her credibility by claiming that photographs taken at Love Field show that Mrs. Kennedy had been given a white, stuffed-toy version of the famous Sheri Lewis TV puppet, Lamb Chop. The claim, however, was based on poor-quality images posted on the Internet. High-quality images show that what critics thought was a Lamb Chop toy was, in fact, a bouquet of white asters. (Trask, That Day in Dallas , p.29).

I don't have the Trask book, but if you can find it take a look at page 29 and see if it clears up this non-mystery for you.
The Trask book can be viewed online here (you'll need a free account to fully access it): https://archive.org/details/thatdayindallast0000tras_k3b5/page/28/mode/2up

Here's the photo from page 29. It's white flowers.



And zoomed x 300:

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      I encourage this Forum to recognize that the above is doing everything it can to Avoid addressing the "Image Evidence". What do you SEE on 29:30? Do you see Lamb Chop's: (1) BLACK on the end of the Snout?, (2) Thin BLACK CIRCLE wrapping around the Snout?, (3) BLACK Eyes?, and (4) Floppy Ear? We are forever told to rely on the JFK Assassination "Image Evidence". 29:30 contains "Image Evidence" supporting Jean Hill's story of seeing a "small dog" on the backseat of the JFK Limo.
     I believe this Lamb Chop Issue is important as it demonstrates that from that Elm St eyewitnesses could see DOWN, INSIDE, the JFK Limo. This is important with respect to "blood splatter" and "skull fragments" falling inside the JFK Limo. I do Not recall a single Elm St Eyewitness being questioned about what they might have seen with respect to seeing JFK blood/brain matter & skull fragment(s) DOWN INSIDE the JFK Limo. Jean Hill has proven that Elm St eyewitnesses could see down inside the JFK Limo.     

I didn't avoid the image evidence. I told you that I could see the pareidolic "face" at 29:30. Alas for you, neither I nor pretty much anyone else who has looked at this pareidolic face thinks it looks like our beloved Lamb Chop. Actually, at first blush I thought the image posted by Jack White looked more like Lamb Chop than your pareidolic flower face, It took me about 30 seconds to realize "Wait a minute, that's the purse of a woman on the sidewalk."

Bugiloisi (BOO! HISS!) says the following in his endnotes in Reclaiming History (BOO! HISS!):

Jean Hill took a lot of ribbing for telling reporters in a national TV interview shortly after the shooting that President and Mrs. Kennedy were looking at a little white dog on the seat between them as the car came abreast of Hill’s position. In later years, conspiracy theorists tried to restore her credibility by claiming that photographs taken at Love Field show that Mrs. Kennedy had been given a white, stuffed-toy version of the famous Sheri Lewis TV puppet, Lamb Chop. The claim, however, was based on poor-quality images posted on the Internet. High-quality images show that what critics thought was a Lamb Chop toy was, in fact, a bouquet of white asters. (Trask, That Day in Dallas , p.29).

I don't have the Trask book, but if you can find it take a look at page 29 and see if it clears up this non-mystery for you.
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The people who think LBJ was behind the JFKA are no wackier than those who suspect the CIA, the Mafia, the FBI, the Soviets, the Cubans or anyone else. There is no evidence to implicate anyone except LHO.
Some - Robert Morrow - are, some aren't. Wackiness is in the eye of the beholder, but Robert is wacky by any standard.

In my opinion the WC was tasked with toeing the LN line and fulfilled its mission. There was a definite mandate and agenda not to reach a conclusion pointing to the obvious suspects given Oswald's background: the Soviets and/or Cubans. A cui bono analysis would have included all those you listed (and more) precisely because so many individuals and organizations despised JFK and stood to benefit from his death. Indeed, it's quite an astonishing list. The WC legitimately started with Oswald since the Dealey Plaza evidence obviously pointed to him, yet the WC could articulate no clear motive. The WC then did some level of cursory analysis concerning Oswald's possible connections to conspirators and found none. Generations of researchers have been dissatisfied with the WC's and HSCA's analyses and continued the quest. Cui bono points so strongly to LBJ and Marcello that it sometimes seems almost impossible they weren't involved. But the cui bono inquiry simply says "Yes, they had a hell of a motive and should be looked at closely." The WC certainly didn't do this, so I have no problem with CT researchers digging more deeply. As to what they have produced so far, I would say there is no credible or compelling evidence. But this is very common in routine criminal cases as well; the cui bono inquiry may lead nowhere and the perpetrator who is finally arrested turns out never to have been on anyone's radar screen until he slipped up. That was my only point with LBJ: cui bono would say "Take a hard, close look at this guy."
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As far as I can tell, Lamb Chop is the classic Royell factoid. It has no provenance whatsoever. It is based solely on someone attempting to rehabilitate Jean Hill and finding a pareidolic Lamb Chop in the photos of Jackie holding flowers at Love Field. As far as I can determine, no one ever suggested that Jackie had actually been handed a Lamb Chop at Love Field or had one in the limousine (why would she have been handed one? would the Secret Service have allowed this?). Like the supposed getaway car, it is strictly a matter of photographic misinterpretation by some Royell predecessor. Pathetic that this is actually being discussed. Wake me up when it hits 68,000 views.

      I encourage this Forum to recognize that the above is doing everything it can to Avoid addressing the "Image Evidence". What do you SEE on 29:30? Do you see Lamb Chop's: (1) BLACK on the end of the Snout?, (2) Thin BLACK CIRCLE wrapping around the Snout?, (3) BLACK Eyes?, and (4) Floppy Ear? We are forever told to rely on the JFK Assassination "Image Evidence". 29:30 contains "Image Evidence" supporting Jean Hill's story of seeing a "small dog" on the backseat of the JFK Limo.
     I believe this Lamb Chop Issue is important as it demonstrates that from that Elm St eyewitnesses could see DOWN, INSIDE, the JFK Limo. This is important with respect to "blood splatter" and "skull fragments" falling inside the JFK Limo. I do Not recall a single Elm St Eyewitness being questioned about what they might have seen with respect to seeing JFK blood/brain matter & skull fragment(s) DOWN INSIDE the JFK Limo. Jean Hill has proven that Elm St eyewitnesses could see down inside the JFK Limo.       
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That's not how criminal investigators identify suspects. They look at the available evidence and figure out who that evidence indicates committed the crime.  They don't start out with who had a motive. That's a bassackwards approach. The purpose of an investigation is to whittle down the number of suspects. Looking at who had a motive will increase the number of suspects. There were far many more people who had motive to kill JFK than there were people who took part in the crime. When one takes an evidence base approach, they end up with only one suspect.

You seem almost compelled to attempt kneejerk oneupsmanship on every thread. Your statement is simply wrong. I spent 20 of my 40 years as a lawyer working in offices that did little but criminal prosecution. The cui bono inquiry is often one of the initial stages in crime analysis and one of the most critical. Cui bono "is a foundational principle in crime analysis used to identify potential suspects and motives by determining who gains from a criminal act." Often, as in the Nancy Guthrie case, the evidence leads nowhere. Sometimes there is no meaningful evidence. Cui bono is a tool to identify those who had a motive, which the investigative process can then whittle down. For those not inclined to accept the LN verdict, cui bono would put LBJ and probably Carlos Marcello at the top of the list, even if neither actually had anything to do with the JFKA. As I said, with LBJ there is really no credible evidence, but this does not mean that a cui bono inquiry is illegitimate.
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What makes the least sense is the conventional WC theory that the 1st shot missed the entire limo and that it was fired at Z124, or Z140 deflecting off a light pole, or at Z150.,Z160, or Z170. None of those are in keeping with a 3/4th majority witness hearing 3 shots rapidly fired and the last 2 “back to back”.
Progress Zeon!  All very reasonable points.

You are beginning to realize that there is no way the evidence can fit a first shot miss.  However, I would not agree that JFK's reaction is delayed. It is rather difficult to accept that JFK is not reacting between z193 and before z224:



JBC's reaction was not to being hit by it in the back/armpit. So his reaction will be delayed because he has to process the significance of the sound, realize that the President may have been hit by a rifle shot and begin to turn around to catch sight of the President.

Dan's first shot SBT scenario might be more persuasive if there was a reasonable explanation for JBC being absolutely sure that he was not hit in the back/armpit by the first shot - and if there was cogent evidence of a third shot miss. Also, the shot had to be a bit earlier than z224. 

   
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As far as I can tell, Lamb Chop is the classic Royell factoid. It has no provenance whatsoever. It is based solely on someone attempting to rehabilitate Jean Hill and finding a pareidolic Lamb Chop in the photos of Jackie holding flowers at Love Field. As far as I can determine, no one ever suggested that Jackie had actually been handed a Lamb Chop at Love Field or had one in the limousine (why would she have been handed one? would the Secret Service have allowed this?). Like the supposed getaway car, it is strictly a matter of photographic misinterpretation by some Royell predecessor. Pathetic that this is actually being discussed. Wake me up when it hits 68,000 views.
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Just quick points:

1. I don't believe Oswald cared about escaping. I think he was completely astounded to find himself on the sidewalk outside the TSBD. I think he viewed this act as the end of his life, the big opportunity Fate had finally handed him. He would either be martyred for the Cuban cause or be taken into custody and have the opportunity to spout his political philosophy at a trial. If this had been a KGB or G2 operation, they darn well would have cared about the participants escaping if they had been so doltish as to use participants whose backgrounds screamed KGB or G2.

2. TSBD6 was a good location to shoot JFK; the roof of the Dal-Tex or County Records building would have been better by all I have read. In comparison to those, the TSBD6 was fantastically risky. Getting the weapon inside and assembling it when an entire floor-laying crew would be working all morning was risky enough. Betting the floor would be empty and no one would choose to watch the motorcade from that vantage point was fantastically risky. Betting Oswald could cleanly exit the floor and building and make his way to Wherever was likewide fantastically risky. Oswald did this for the reasons set forth in #1 above. No KGB or G2 organizer in his right mind would have chosen TSBD6. Oswald could have simply gone to lunch and found a preplanted rifle at a much, much safer location. If Oswald had cared about escapting, even he wouldn't have chosen TSBD6.

3. It's not a matter of thinking the "perps think as I do." It's a matter of thinking the perps at least think rationally. A JFKA by LN Oswald shooting from inside the TSBD makes sense for the reasons set forth in #1 above and because Oswald was Oswald and the JFKA was a last-minute, flying-by-the-seat-of-his-pants decision. Having the principal gunman fire from inside a building, with absolutely no control over what the circumstances would be at the time, just makes no sense unless the conspirators were the Three Stooges. What I think is going on here is pretty much what is always going on: You're stuck with Dealey Plaza and a JFKA in which Oswald was indeed firing from TSBD6 and this all has to be rationalized even though it's irrational in the context of any conspiracy. The conspirators needed a "diversion" from the TSBD6 on the GK when THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE A GUNMAN IN TSBD6 IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Why would a gunman need a diversion? Oswald's choice of the TSBD was the only choice available to him and from that standpoint it made sense. Oswald might very well have not known where he would fire from until the last few minutes. Who knows what he would have done had Bonnie Ray Williams decided to remain on the 6th floor. Maybe he takes the shots anyway. Maybe he goes up to the 7th floor to see if he would be alone there. As it turned out, the 6th floor turned out to be a perfect location. He had the floor to himself and a perfect line of fire down Elm St.

I'm not one to second guess Oswald's choices since he succeeded at what he was trying to do. It might have been the only thing he succeeded at in his whole miserable life. If only he could have been hit by a bus on 11/21/1963.
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