JFK Assassination Forum

The conscious reactions of Jackie, JFK, Governor Connally, Nellie Connally, Roy Kellerman, George Hickey, Rosemary Willis and others in the Zapruder film to the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot indicate that it occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming (after a seventeen-second pause) at Z-133.

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Based on his recounting of the shots, wouldn’t the early missed shot make it four shots? He thought he was hit by a shot he had never heard. JFK was hit by two shots. JBC said he heard two shots.

1) He said he was looking straight ahead when he was hit.
 
2) He said he was hit by the second shot and JFK was hit by the third shot.
 
3) [fill in the blank]

“I am not sure what you are looking at.  The HSCA photographic panel concluded that JFK was reacting to a servere external stimulus before disappearing behind the Stemmons sign.  I see a marked change between z193 when he is waving and smiling and z198 when he drops his right hand and turns his head forward:”

I am sure you do, but that has no value with the Willis Photo and Mary Woodward’s statement contradicting you.

Neither contradict JFK beginning his reaction between z193-198 when he turns from looking hard right to more or less forward.  Willis' photo shows JFK from behind so it is hard to tell where he is looking or where his right arm is as it is in front of him.  But it is consistent with JFK in the position looking forward as seen in z201-203 (in z202 JFK' head is partially obscured by top of the sign post). 

You will also note that at this time they have just passed Mary Woodward:"After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right. "  As we know, a bullet precedes the sound of the muzzle blast.  At 200 feet the time difference is almost 2 frames.

How does that equate to Z193.

She stated JFK was hit after he turned forward which does not occur until after Z207.

He has turned forward by z198.  This is apparent despite the resolution of the frames being poor.

JFK disappears behind the sign at Z210 while still waving

JFK is still waving in the Willis photo thought to be Z210 and so is JBC. True campaigners tn your story to ignore having been shot and keep motoring on.

His arm may be elevated in front of him.  But he does not initiate any waves.

What you fail to post is all of Woodward’s 11/22 statement. Even though she does not think the first shot hit JFK, Mary has JFK reacted to the first shot, and the second shot was the headshot followed by another shot. So much for JBC hit by a separate shot, let alone two shots.

M Woodward   “.I don't believe anyone was hit with the first bullet.[b] The President and Mrs. Kennedy turned and looked around,[/b] as if they, too, didn't believe the noise was really coming from a gun...Then after a moment's pause, there was another shot and I saw the President start slumping in the car. This was followed rapidly by another shot. Mrs. Kennedy stood up in the car, turned halfway around, then fell on top of her husband’s body…”

She also noted that the third shot rapidly followed the second. In 1988 she gave this interview:

At around 1:00 she says:

“The second two shots were immediate --- it was almost as if one were an echo of the other -- they came so quickly. The sound of one did not cease until the second shot.” … “and then the third shot came very, very quickly, on top of the second one”

So her statement is perfectly consistent with simply not being aware that JFK was reacting at least 5 seconds before the last shot.   If the last two were so rapid, as she described, this means he was reacting to the first shot.

She was also adamant that there were three shots (see from :48-:59).

How Connally screwed things up:

1) He said he was looking straight ahead when he was hit.

2) He said he was hit by the second shot and JFK was hit by the third shot.

3) [fill in the blank]

A real conundrum. If you are inclined to believe JBC that he was hit by the second shot, so long early missed shot and Jackie, Nelly and 70 +eyewitnesses have it wrong. If you don’t believe him, so long early missed shot, hello SBT and Jackie, Nelly and 70+ eyewitnesses have it right.

This car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a very big deal. It is a new find. Understanding this discovery requires knowing the differing timelines of JFK assassination films.   
The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island". The Couch/Darnell films DO SHOW a car parked alongside the "Island". Wiegman was riding inside Camera Car #1. Couch/Darnell were riding inside Camera Car #3. The Wiegman film footage of the Island is roughly 20-25 seconds ahead of the Couch/Darnell filmed images of the Island. This car was traveling down the Elm St Ext during the Wiegman Filming of the Island. This same car had reached the Island and parked alongside it by the time Couch/Darnell filmed the Island. I believe the Hughes Film Snippet showing the front steps of the TSBD, also shows us this same car parked in the same spot alongside the island. This Hughes snippet was filmed roughly 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Yet, this same car is still parked alongside the Island where we see it on the Couch/Darnell films. What we are seeing on the Couch/Darnell Films and the Hughes Film is a "getaway car" that was deserted alongside the Island.       

"This car . . . "

LOL!

There you go again!

"The Wiegman Film does NOT show a car parked alongside the "Island".

You're mistaken.

See James Hackerott's work, above.

How Connally screwed things up big time.

1) He said he was facing forward / looking straight ahead when he was hit.

2) He said neither he nor JFK were hit by the first shot (correct), that he, but not JFK, was hit by the second shot (wrong), and that JFK was hit by the third shot (correct).

3) [fill in the blank]