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It fascinates me that one angry guy could create such a ripple in history and culture.  Oswald could have made a lot of choices that day including to stand on the street as a spectator.  Instead he decided to commit this terrible act.  The assassination is just one consequence.  I do believe that the JFK assassination let a genie out of the bottle in the US that emboldened many terrible acts.  School shootings, mass shootings, and other assassinations were largely unknown before 11.22.63.  Every angry loon takes inspiration from Oswald whether they know that or not.  That's the real legacy. 
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It is both a hobby and an addiction to me that I have quit cold turkey for years at a time. I first became hooked back in 1991 shortly after the movie JFK came out which also coincided with my first ISP subscription, Prodigy. I was a newbie to both the JFKA and the internet at the time. I knew just enough about both to be dangerous. In the 1980s I had briefly become a CT but shed that affliction after just a few years. I was lucky because for most people, it is a chronic condition. I came to the online discussions with a willingness to learn and the ability to apply common sense which allowed me to hold own against the veteran CTs. The Prodigy group was a lively bunch and had a few participants whose names others may recognize, Michael T. Griffith, Tony Marsh, Jean Davidson, Bob Artwohl just to name a few. David Lifton even posted there occasionally. Bob Artwohl came to that group as a CT and ended up an LN. He's the only one I know of who ever switched sides in any of the discussion groups I have participated in. Our Prodigy group broke up when Prodigy announced they would no longer allow unlimited posts. There would be a limit each month after which one would have to pay a premium to make additional posts. I don't think anyone was going to stick around so we all said our good-byes and went our separate ways.

I would occasionally argue with friends on the subject of the JFKA but it wasn't something that came up very often. In 2008, I visited Dallas for the first time not counting changing planes at the Dallas/Ft. Worth Airport. I made it a point that I was going to visit Dealey Plaza and the Sixth Floor Museum while there. It wasn't hard as I was driving up I-35 from San Antonio and I looked out to my right and there was the TSBD. I went on by and up north past the Trade Mart, exited where Parkland had been, turned east and stumbled across Love Field. From there I drove what I guessed approximated the motorcade route until I hit Harwood, turned right on Main on to Dealey Plaza. After spending several hours there including a visit to the 6th floor Museum, I headed over to Oak Cliff. I started at Oswald's rooming house and walked down Beckley to where I guessed Oswald might have turned to go to 10th and Patton.  From there I took Oswald's route to Jefferson and then headed toward the Texas Theater. As I walked along Jefferson, I remember hearing lots of salsa music being played. That was about the extent of my visiting the key places of the JFKA.

That visit rekindled my interest in the JFKA. When I got home, I found John McAdams' forum on google groups and the companion unmoderated alt.conspiracy.jfk which I soon learned had been given the well deserved nickname of "the nuthouse". It was a free for all with no rules. You had to be able to take it as well as dish it out if you wanted to hang out there. I spent much more time on the moderated group where my main foil was Tony Marsh who I remembered from the Prodigy days. I saw from the archives a number of other Prodigy members but none of them were still active after I joined. I think after 3 or 4 years there, I tired of it and dropped out. Several years later, I had a relapse and got involved again. I stayed with the McAdams forum until his untimely passing about 5 years ago and since he was the only moderator left on that forum, it was effectively killed. I think it was only a few months later that Google announced they were doing away with all google groups which ended the nuthouse as well. I dabbled into a few other online forums but decided it would be a good time to drop the hobby and spend my time on other interests. That worked for about 4 years until one day I got bored and start doing searches for JFKA discussion groups and happened to land in this one. So here I am. Again.

I can relate to Michael Corleone's line from The Godfather III. "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"
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Certainly wasn't referring to you, Mark! I share your Grammar Police proclivities. In fact, I just noticed in my own post that I had said "Lamb J. Chop III, as we was actually christened at, er, birth" rather than "he." Not only would "we was" be a grammatical faux pas of the first magnitude, but it would mean Lamb Chop entered into existence as my sock puppet! Oh, the horror.

What a relief! (I tend to assume the worst.) Btw, you obviously are an exceptional writer, and I sometimes wish I could borrow some of that fluency and clarity of thought.
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This laughable, nonsensical, surrealistically absurd thread has 325 replies and 68,346 views. How is this possible??? Maybe I'll just kill myself.
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Thanks to John and Ben for reasonably on-point responses.

I would have to say the answer to my query "Are we self-aware enough?" would appear to be no. This is, frankly, not surprising. I don't picture the participants on JFKA forums as being a particularly self-aware bunch, any more than I picture the pornography enthusiasts at a XXX site as being particularly self-aware (and I should know!  :D :D :D). For most participants, it seems to me the JFKA is more in the vein of an obsession or addiction. There can be no reasonable hope that the verdict of history is ever going to change or that any essential cog of the LN narrative is ever going to be disproven, yet some sort of loop goes round and round inside the addicts' heads. They, be they LN-oriented or CT-oriented, simply cannot stay away from the 1,243rd discussion of the SBT or Tippit scene or curtain rods or whatever. "Hobby" scarcely describes it.

Perhaps people simply aren't interested in examining this addiction, and that's fine. Perhaps they are a bit afraid of what they might find if they did examine it, and that's fine too. This thread was just an invitation.

I question myself, of course, which is why I always end up disengaging. "Am I as nutty as these folks?" I ask myself. "Even if I'm not, are people who know me going to think I am?" - guilt by association, as it were. Are old high school and college friends or former coworkers stumbling on my posts and exchanging emails saying "Do you remember Lance, who used to be such a whiz? Have you seen how he spends his time now, arguing with conspiracy cranks on JFK assassination sites? Jesus, what do you think happened - did he hit rock-bottom and end up in some institution?"

Which is why I do engage in introspection and attempt to justify my participation as suggested in my original post. I'm above the fray, I try to tell myself. I do not engage with the cranks except to amuse myself. I mostly do not participate in the 1,243rd thread on the SBT. But still ... is this really the best thing I have to do with my time at age 76??? Surely not ... is it???

Can anyone who is at least reasonably rational - just reasonably - deny that the majority of participants on a forum such as this are pretty clearly a bit "off" and that the majority of "discussions" are so goofy as to be almost surreal? I won't name names, but some of the most clearly whacked-out are by far the most prominent participants and are humored endlessly as though what they were saying were actually worthy of discussion. Why is that? Probably, I would guess, because rational, evidence-based discussions of the JFKA would be exceedingly dull and mostly just reinforce the LN narrative, so even LN proponents dive into the surreal world of the 1,243rd thread on the SBT (or far worse).

In short, despite my statesmanlike attempt in my first post at justifying my own participation, I'm not sure I've completely convinced myself. I confessed freely at the Ed Forum that I share to some degree the conspiracy-prone mindset and that it's only my willingness to seriously examine it that has kept me from turning into a rabid 9/11 Truther, Fake Moon Landing proponent, Shape-Shifting Reptilian Alien true believer, and Harvey and Lee enthusiast who thinks Lee was Prayer Man. Still, I fear that being here at all may be telling me something I'd rather not admit.

And on it goes.
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Apologies for the disruption, and thank you for the free diagnosis, Dr. Payette.

Certainly wasn't referring to you, Mark! I share your Grammar Police proclivities. In fact, I just noticed in my own post that I had said "Lamb J. Chop III, as we was actually christened at, er, birth" rather than "he." Not only would "we was" be a grammatical faux pas of the first magnitude, but it would mean Lamb Chop entered into existence as my sock puppet! Oh, the horror.
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Keen-eyed observers may have noticed that no one, including me, had anything whatsoever to say about the video Duncan posted. I found it about as exciting as watching my microwave cook a Banquet pot pie (fairly yummy if cooked properly, and still only $1 at Walmart!). If you think you saw something interesting, do let us know.

It would seem that the UFO research community found the release equally underwhelming. The Anomalist, a weirdness site I have visited daily for many years, linked to several reactions to the release in its entries for May 11 and May 12: https://www.anomalist.com/.

FWIW, an Arizona law firm where I was a partner used a court reporter who had also been used by NASA during the moon missions. He said there was both the public transmission and a private one. Technology was so primitive that they used court reporters to transcribe the private line. He said he heard astronaut Michael Collins have some sort of mental or emotional breakdown but never heard anything juicy in the UFO vein.
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Apologies for the disruption, and thank you for the free diagnosis, Dr. Payette.
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                                                                **  GETAWAY" CAR UPDATE   **

    I have just discovered 2 seconds of film footage showing what I believe was an intended "getaway" car parked directly across from the TSBD.

Oh, goody
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This car measures 17.5 Feet Long, and stands close to 5 Feet Tall. It is a massive automobile. This New footage of the car, is the closest images of the car that I have seen. The closeness of these new images includes the license plate, though the letters/numbers remain obscure. That said, I am hoping that the State and Year of the' license plate being issued can be discerned. A possible out of state plate would be an immediate Red Flag,

Of course it would. What reason would somebody from out of state have to visit downtown Dallas?
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though the license plates of Texas and Illinois (Chicago connection), during this time period were extremely similar. There is also the possibility of a stolen license plate being attached to this car.

The plot thickens.
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    I can tell you that this new footage clearly shows NO TICKET being tucked under the windshield wipers of this car. Had the car been parked alongside the Island before Dealey Plaza was blocked off from thru traffic, it most likely would have been ticketed for being parked inside a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone. This car Not being ticketed is further evidence of it being parked alongside the Island AFTER shots were fired at the JFK. This remains a very active investigation.

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I think you've nailed it, Columbo. Fame and fortune awaits you.
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Dear Comrade Storing,

I "get it" that your MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR was parked a little bit behind the "Signal Light Pole" / "No Parking Pole" in Hughes and Martin clips. I'm just saying that from the perspective of the Couch-Darnell and Wiegman films, the front of the very same car is visible to us to the right of the "Signal Light Pole" / "No Parking Pole," and that the reason we can't see it in the latter is because the gaggle of spectators is hiding it from view.

(If it's the same car that's in the National Geographic video, it's a 1958 Pontiac)



Question: Do you think the way James spliced together two half-second-apart Wiegman frames in his Couch-Darnell / Wiegman overlap montage was devious or misleading?

Ya gotta scroll down to it:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4597.40.html

-- Tom

                                                                **  GETAWAY" CAR UPDATE   **

    I have just discovered 2 seconds of film footage showing what I believe was an intended "getaway" car parked directly across from the TSBD. This car measures 17.5 Feet Long, and stands close to 5 Feet Tall. It is a massive automobile. This New footage of the car, is the closest images of the car that I have seen. The closeness of these new images includes the license plate, though the letters/numbers remain obscure. That said, I am hoping that the State and Year of the' license plate being issued can be discerned. A possible out of state plate would be an immediate Red Flag, though the license plates of Texas and Illinois (Chicago connection), during this time period were extremely similar. There is also the possibility of a stolen license plate being attached to this car.
    I can tell you that this new footage clearly shows NO TICKET being tucked under the windshield wipers of this car. Had the car been parked alongside the Island before Dealey Plaza was blocked off from thru traffic, it most likely would have been ticketed for being parked inside a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone. This car Not being ticketed is further evidence of it being parked alongside the Island AFTER shots were fired at the JFK. This remains a very active investigation.

                               .....................................   STAY  TUNED   ............................................
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