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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:58:35 PM »
Witnesses have given us numerous versions of what happened but there is only one right version and Kinney's ain't it.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Yesterday at 10:36:56 PM »
It is not unreasonable to dismiss the 75% (if that is the actual number) when they are demonstrably wrong. Many of that 75% thought the last two shots came right on top of each other which is not possible with a bolt action rifle and all the physical evidence indicates all three shots were fired by Oswald's bolt action rifle. Large numbers of people can be fooled by the same phenomenon. We can only speculate why a large number of people got the spacing wrong because we don't know what they actually heard. I suspect many of those people heard two sounds from the final shot, which is a recognized phenomenon. There were many earwitnesses who did not seem no recognize the sound of the first shot. If those same people heard a double sound from the final shot, they could easily be fooled into believing the last two shots were close together. JBC's visible reaction at Z164, the simultaneous raising of the arms of JFK and JBC at Z226, and the obvious head explosion at Z313 give us a good idea as to the spacing of the shots. What we don't know is how quickly JBC reacted to the first shot by looking over his right shoulder. Dale Myers has hypothesized a shot as late as Z160. My own belief is the first shot was fired at Z147-148 followed by a noticeable camera jiggle at Z155. Tom Graves believes it was fired about a half second before Zapruder resumed filming. Without definitive proof, there is no way to say who is right, but under two of those scenarios, the first two shots would have been closer together while under the Graves scenario, they would have been almost evenly spaced, with the last two shots coming only marginally closer together than the first two.


Sam Kinney's description of the shots.

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Naturally, after defecting and then repatriating, Oswald would be a person of interest to both the FBI and the CIA. There is nothing that indicates he was anything more than that prior to becoming an assassin. What was there about Oswald that would have made him stand out from other persons of interest the FBI and CIA were keeping a watch on.

Debrueys should have been interested in him as LHO had set up a fpcc chapter in new Orleans and Debrueys was the FBI officer overseeing the Cuban exile, subversive scene in new Orleans. So it makes sense Debrueys would become interested in Oswald and try to recruit him as an informer. What doesn't make sense is why debrueys would introduce LHO to Smith and Roche at a time when Debrueys was only getting to know LHO and evaluate his trustworthiness as a possible informer.
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Uh Oh Uh Oh . . . . .

It must be mystifying to TDS types how Trump was elected twice and should have been a third time except for using COVID as a pretext to change the election laws.  The person that they hate most in the history of the world.  Who they spend every waking moment thinking about due to the influence of propaganda. 
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Naturally, after defecting and then repatriating, Oswald would be a person of interest to both the FBI and the CIA. There is nothing that indicates he was anything more than that prior to becoming an assassin. What was there about Oswald that would have made him stand out from other persons of interest the FBI and CIA were keeping a watch on.
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This strikes me as playing dumb about Oswald's Agent Provocateur status which explains all of your pretend conflicts the best of any explanation...

If you're suggesting that Debrueys sent Oswald to Bringuier to infiltrate the DRE as Bringuier suspected, this makes no sense as Oswald then started handing out pro Castro leaflets on the street only 4 days later and got arrested. With a public profile as being pro Castro, Oswald was of no use in infiltrating groups like the DRE.
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I find it hard to do anything on a cell phone except what it's supposed to do which is to make and receive telephone calls. I don't understand the fascination with smart phones. I find mine to be a source of aggravation. I was perfectly happy with my flip phone. The only reason I changed is because Spectrum became available and I could save money by bundling, TV, internet, and mobile. I use the mobile mainly for phone calls. About the only other reason for having it is to receive verification codes when I want to access a secure website. Pretty much everything else I do, posting here, checking emails, buying on Amazon, etc. I find much easier and less aggravating doing it on my laptop. I might go back to a flip phone when my Spectrum contract expires.
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It's hard to type on this forum using a cell phone. It's really off putting .Any plans to model the way it's done on the education forum which is much easier?
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This strikes me as playing dumb about Oswald's Agent Provocateur status which explains all of your pretend conflicts the best of any explanation...

Care to expand in detail on what you believe was going on?
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This strikes me as playing dumb about Oswald's Agent Provocateur status which explains all of your pretend conflicts the best of any explanation...
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