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Interesting that you ignored the fact that Barrett said it was a wallet.

why the folks who are involved in framing Oswald suppress a highly incriminating piece of evidence left at the murder scene?

You keep repeating this BS when you've already been told that nobody claims that a wallet found at a murder scene was suppressed.

If a wallet was suppressed it was the one taken from Oswald in the car by Bentley.

Think about how idiotic it is to suggest that the investigators found or planted Oswald's wallet at the Tippit murder scene but then decided for some inexplicable reason to claim it was found on his person.  Wow.  Mind blowing.  Can you understand that a wallet left at the murder scene would be highly incriminating in linking the owner of the wallet to that crime?  And the kicker is that these are the very same investigators you otherwise imply are involved in a conspiracy to frame Oswald.  Here, however, you suggest they are doing exactly the opposite by covering up the discovery of his wallet at the murder scene.
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Translation: You have no clue how to explain the evidence I've presented, and you've run out of flimsy dodges and specious arguments.

Your howler that a 4-inch difference in the rear head entry wound's location is no big deal and does not matter will go down as one of the all-time gaffes in this forum. Not even the worst WC apologists have been so clueless and silly as to make that laughable argument. Did you just not study basic geometry in high school?

I should add that the 4-inch difference not only greatly affects the trajectory back to the firing point, but it also greatly affects the bullet's trajectory through the head and its exit point. Even someone with just a high-school-level grasp of geometry can easily discern this.

Way back in 1976, researcher Howard Roffman pointed out that the photos and x-rays of the test skulls used in the WC's head-shot wound ballistics test prove that not one of the FMJ bullets that hit at or near the EOP site created an exit wound even close to the location of the exit wound described and illustrated by the autopsy doctors. All the exit wounds included a large part of the bones under the face, which is exactly what you would expect from an FMJ bullet entering near the EOP at a downward angle of 15 degrees. Many other scholars have noted this contradiction, including Dr. David Mantik:

Then there is the matter of a shot from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). WC’s ballistics expert, Dr. Alfred Olivier, used the Mannlicher-Carcano to shoot at human skulls. Firing from a position above and behind, he aimed at the low occipital entry identified in the autopsy report. This bullet blew out the right side of the face (Figure 2). (JFK Assassination Paradoxes, 2022, p. 3)

Of course, the exit wounds from the WC test skulls also bear no resemblance to the revised version of the exit wound described and illustrated by the HSCA's medical panel (FPP). This is one of the problems that Howard Donahue identified with the FPP's version of the exit wound. Many other scholars have also highlighted this contradiction.

The unsolvable trajectory problem posed by assuming the rear head shot came from the sixth-floor window is why Larry Sturdivan, who accepts the EOP site, has had to float the specious theory that after the bullet entered the skull, it somehow, someway suddenly veered sharply upward, something that not one of the FMJ bullets in the WC's test did. This is also why the WC's experts could only get the EOP-site's trajectory to "work" by assuming that JFK's head was tilted well over 50 degrees forward when the bullet struck.

The WC's test skulls were actual human skulls that were filled with ballistics gelatin and that had gelatin on top of the outer table of the skull to simulate the soft tissue covering human skulls. Dr. Alfred Olivier, who conducted the test, explained this to the WC:

Dr. OLIVIER. Human skulls, we take these human skulls and they are imbedded and filled with 20 percent gelatin. As I mentioned before, 20 percent gelatin is a pretty good simulant for body tissues.

When I say 20 percent, it is 20 percent weight of the dry gelatin, 80 percent moisture.

The skull, the cranial cavity, is filled with this and the surface is coated with a gelatin and then it is trimmed down to approximate the thickness of the tissues overlying the skull, the soft tissues of the head. (5 H 87)


Howard Roffman was the first to point out that the bullet fragmentation seen in the two released x-rays of the test skulls looks nothing like the bullet fragmentation seen in the JFK autopsy skull x-rays:

These x-rays depict gelatin-filled human skulls shot with ammunition of the type allegedly used by Oswald. They were classified by the government and remained suppressed until recently; they are printed here for the first time ever. What they reveal is that Oswald's rifle could not have produced the head wounds suffered by President Kennedy. The bullet that hit the president in the head exploded into a multitude of minuscule fragments. One Secret Service agent described the appearance of these metal fragments on the x-rays: "The whole head looked like a little mass of stars." The fragmentation depicted on these test x-rays obviously differs from that described in the president's head. The upper x-ray reveals only relatively large fragments concentrated at the point of entrance; the lower reveals only a few tiny fragments altogether. This gives dramatic, suppressed proof that Oswald did not fire the shot that killed President Kennedy. (Photo: National Archives) (Presumed Guilty, 1976, photo pages 8 and 9, chapter 5)
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There is so much nonsense and wrong-headedness in this post (as usual) that I can't be bothered trawling through it trying to straighten out all the misconceptions, misinformation, disinformation and misunderstandings.
As usual, I'll pick the misunderstanding I believe is most relevant to the discussion:

Why do you think it is cartwheeling? Yawing was the description I always read. Nose up or down.


I don't believe it was cartwheeling.
That's the whole point I was making.
The bullet didn't cartwheel or tumble or rotate or hit anything backwards.
That's the point I'm making.



That's the point I'm making.

You are not making any point or sense for that matter.  No one mentioned a bullet spinning 1000 rpm but you. You can’t even get your part right. JC said he didn't, that was all you. No one ever has, congratulations you are finally the first at something.

God, would you please clue in just once. Another post with all forms of nonsense front to back and top to bottom. And now here we have it, everything but what is relevant to yet another theory. A little reading on your part and you could have answered this for yourself. Obviously, the nerve I struck was the one that tethered you into reality. Dr Shaw completely ended your theory with just several statements. They were conviently listed for you. You know the ones you refused to acknowledge.

Even if you had done nothing more than reviewed the Knotts Lab cartoon, the answer to JBC’s wound trajectory through his body and the impossibility of it having been from a separate shot would have been answered for you. A direct shot nose first bullet would have created different wounds than the ones described by the Parkland Doctors and according to Knotts Lab would have originated from an altitude high above the vacant lot between the TSBD and the RR Yard.
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Thanks for your collegial comments.

The HSCA concluded there had been a gunshot from the GK, and certainly many witnesses thought so. Sam Holland and co-workers thought they saw smoke on the GK. 

Modern guns can and do smoke, depending on the ammo, and how recently the barrel has been lubed. A snub-nose .38 gives off more smoke than guns with longer barrels, and makes a louder bang, and is easily concealed. Even gun enthusiasts report lots of smoke from "cheap ammo" such as the "Egyptian" brand.

A Dallas sheriff and a Dallas PD officer both said they encountered a man flashing Secret Service credentials on the GK.

As for the acoustical evidence...I don't understand any of it.

I can see the Z-film on line, frame by fame, draw my own conclusions.

So as I say, IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
The HSCA did not conclude there was a gunshot from the GK.

Here is what they said (note the qualifiers in the phrasing):
 

A high probability is not a conclusion. And "other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen" is not a conclusion either.

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At the time, recovering the Murder Suspect's Identification at the Tippit crime scene would be the most powerful evidence of all, but Westbrook says Jack Crap about the suspects Wallet.

JohnM

 ::) So what? - They didn't ask him.
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BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! - Same old regurgitation.  Not one thing that addresses Barrett.
“They said they took the wallet out of his pocket in the car? That’s so much hogwash. That wallet was in (Captain) Westbrook’s hand.”


Gee Whiz, Capasse, a FIFTY year old memory is oh so reliable, Not!
But a plethora of fresh memories from a ton of eyewitnesses is in your opinion "BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!', this is why you keep on failing. Thumb1:

At the time, recovering the Murder Suspect's Identification at the Tippit crime scene would be the most powerful evidence of all, but Westbrook says Jack Crap about the suspects Wallet. That's a spicy meatball, you got there!





BTW, you do realize that discovering Oswald's wallet at the Tippit crime scene makes Oswald as guilty as Hell, are you sure you want to go down that path?  :D

JohnM
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Mr. BELIN. Was he asked where he lived?
Mr. HILL. That was the second question that was asked the suspect, and he didn't answer it, either.
About the time I got through with the radio transmission, I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification."
Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out.
I never did have the billfold in my possession, but the name Lee Oswald was called out by Bentley from the back seat, and said this identification, I believe, was on the library card.
And he also made the statement that there was some more identification in this other name which I don't remember, but it was the same name that later came in the paper that he bought the gun under.

Mr. BELIN. After you got down there, what did you do with him?
Mr. WALKER. We took him up the homicide and robbery bureau, and we went back there, and one of the detectives said put him In this room. I put him in the room, and he said, "Let the uniform officers stay with him." And I went inside, and Oswald sat down, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind him. I sat down there, and I had his pistol, and he had a card in there with a picture of him and the name A. J. Hidell on it.

Mr. BELIN. After you got down there, what did you do with him?
Mr. WALKER. We took him up the homicide and robbery bureau, and we went back there, and one of the detectives said put him In this room. I put him in the room, and he said, "Let the uniform officers stay with him." And I went inside, and Oswald sat down, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind him. I sat down there, and I had his pistol, and he had a card in there with a picture of him and the name A. J. Hidell on it.

Mr. BALL. Alek Hidell?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; and he asked him if he knew Alek Hidell; said he didn't know if he ever heard of the name. He never heard of that and asked him several questions along that line and then after he had denied all knowledge of Alek Hidell, Mr. Kelley asked him, said "Well, isn't it a fact when you were arrested you had an identification card with his name on it in your possession."
He kind of grunted, said "Yes, that's right" and he said "How do you explain that?" And, as best my knowledge. he said "I don't explain it."

Mr. BALL. Another thing, that day, at sometime during the 22d when you questioned Oswald, didn't you ask him about this card he had in his pocket with the name Alek Hidell?
Mr. FRITZ. I did; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you ask him about that?
Mr. FRITZ. I believe he had three of those cards if I remember correctly, and he told me that was the name that he picked up in New Orleans that he had used sometimes. One of the cards looked like it might have been altered a little bit and one of them I believe was the Fair Play for Cuba and one looked like a social security card or something.

Mr. STERN - What were they, and what were the responses, if you recall?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - One specific question was with regard to the selective service card in the possession of Oswald bearing a photograph of Oswald and the name Alek James Hidell. Oswald admitted he carried this selective service card, but declined to state that he wrote the signature of Alek J. Hidell appearing on same. Further declined to state the purpose of carrying same, and---or any use he made of same.

Mr. HOLMES....
Then Captain Fritz interrupted and said, "Well, what about this card we got out of your billfold? This draft registration card, he called it, where it showed A. J. Hidell."
"Well, that is the only time that I recall he kind of flared up and he said, "Now, I have told you all I am going to tell you about that card in my billfold." He said, "You have the card yourself, and you know as much about it as I do." And he showed a little anger. Really the only time that he flared up.

Mr. ROSE. Well, the first thing I asked him was what his name was and he told me it was Hidell.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you it was Hidell?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; he did.
Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you it was Oswald?
Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out." And then in just a few minutes Captain Fritz came in and he told me to get two men and go to Irving and search his house.
Mr. BALL. Now, when he first came in there--you said that he said his name was "Hidell"?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was that before you saw the two cards?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it was.
Mr. BALL. Did he give you his first name?
Mr. ROSE. He just said "Hidell"; I remember he just gave me the last name of "Hidell".
Mr. BALL. And then you found two or three cards on him?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.
Mr. BALL. Did you search him?
Mr. ROSE. He had already been searched and someone had his billfold. I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.


JohnM

BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! - Same old regurgitation.  Not one thing that addresses Barrett.
“They said they took the wallet out of his pocket in the car? That’s so much hogwash. That wallet was in (Captain) Westbrook’s hand.”

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Bingo!  We have a winner.

Garbage. Based on nothing at all.
No one knows what he said to Mack. No one knows the reply.
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You’re right. It wasn’t just “former” KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin. It was also his predecessors going all the way back to 1959 when the Kremlin, having decided to get us to defeat ourselves, set up top-secret Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today’s SVR) and top-secret Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today’s FSB) to wage disinformation, “active measures,” and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.

But speaking just of Lt. Col. Putin:

Why did he have his SVR and FSB, his GRU, his professional St. Petersburg trolls, and his Oligarchs work so hard to get Trump "elected" in 2016, and how do you know they weren’t instrumental in his carrying the critical swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by less than 80,000 votes combined?

Answers:

1) Not to ensure "better Russia-U.S. relations," but because he knew Trump would do an excellent job of tearing us apart.

2) You don’t.

And I give you January 6, stolen top-secret documents, rising inflation, ICE murders, Project 2025, concentration camps, Presidential corruption like we’ve never seen before, a stronger Iran, a hardened six-story subterranean fortress, and an algae-filled reflecting pool.

If Putin had the power to determine the winners of our presidential elections, why did he let Biden win in 2020?

Did Putin install Obama in 2008?

Did Putin install Bush in 2000?

Just how long have the Russians been picking out presidents?
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Mr. BELIN. Was he asked where he lived?
Mr. HILL. That was the second question that was asked the suspect, and he didn't answer it, either.
About the time I got through with the radio transmission, I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification."
Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out.
I never did have the billfold in my possession, but the name Lee Oswald was called out by Bentley from the back seat, and said this identification, I believe, was on the library card.
And he also made the statement that there was some more identification in this other name which I don't remember, but it was the same name that later came in the paper that he bought the gun under.

Mr. BELIN. After you got down there, what did you do with him?
Mr. WALKER. We took him up the homicide and robbery bureau, and we went back there, and one of the detectives said put him In this room. I put him in the room, and he said, "Let the uniform officers stay with him." And I went inside, and Oswald sat down, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind him. I sat down there, and I had his pistol, and he had a card in there with a picture of him and the name A. J. Hidell on it.

Mr. BELIN. After you got down there, what did you do with him?
Mr. WALKER. We took him up the homicide and robbery bureau, and we went back there, and one of the detectives said put him In this room. I put him in the room, and he said, "Let the uniform officers stay with him." And I went inside, and Oswald sat down, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind him. I sat down there, and I had his pistol, and he had a card in there with a picture of him and the name A. J. Hidell on it.

Mr. BALL. Alek Hidell?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; and he asked him if he knew Alek Hidell; said he didn't know if he ever heard of the name. He never heard of that and asked him several questions along that line and then after he had denied all knowledge of Alek Hidell, Mr. Kelley asked him, said "Well, isn't it a fact when you were arrested you had an identification card with his name on it in your possession."
He kind of grunted, said "Yes, that's right" and he said "How do you explain that?" And, as best my knowledge. he said "I don't explain it."

Mr. BALL. Another thing, that day, at sometime during the 22d when you questioned Oswald, didn't you ask him about this card he had in his pocket with the name Alek Hidell?
Mr. FRITZ. I did; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you ask him about that?
Mr. FRITZ. I believe he had three of those cards if I remember correctly, and he told me that was the name that he picked up in New Orleans that he had used sometimes. One of the cards looked like it might have been altered a little bit and one of them I believe was the Fair Play for Cuba and one looked like a social security card or something.

Mr. STERN - What were they, and what were the responses, if you recall?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - One specific question was with regard to the selective service card in the possession of Oswald bearing a photograph of Oswald and the name Alek James Hidell. Oswald admitted he carried this selective service card, but declined to state that he wrote the signature of Alek J. Hidell appearing on same. Further declined to state the purpose of carrying same, and---or any use he made of same.

Mr. HOLMES....
Then Captain Fritz interrupted and said, "Well, what about this card we got out of your billfold? This draft registration card, he called it, where it showed A. J. Hidell."
"Well, that is the only time that I recall he kind of flared up and he said, "Now, I have told you all I am going to tell you about that card in my billfold." He said, "You have the card yourself, and you know as much about it as I do." And he showed a little anger. Really the only time that he flared up.

Mr. ROSE. Well, the first thing I asked him was what his name was and he told me it was Hidell.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you it was Hidell?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; he did.
Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you it was Oswald?
Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out." And then in just a few minutes Captain Fritz came in and he told me to get two men and go to Irving and search his house.
Mr. BALL. Now, when he first came in there--you said that he said his name was "Hidell"?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was that before you saw the two cards?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it was.
Mr. BALL. Did he give you his first name?
Mr. ROSE. He just said "Hidell"; I remember he just gave me the last name of "Hidell".
Mr. BALL. And then you found two or three cards on him?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.
Mr. BALL. Did you search him?
Mr. ROSE. He had already been searched and someone had his billfold. I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.










The negative found amongst Oswald's possessions which was used to produce the Hidell selective service ID and the United States Marine Corps card.



JohnM
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