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The provenance of the Jones copy is easily researchable...

Jones died in 1993...This news story about the 6th Floor Museum getting his films was from 1998:

Google: "NBC 5's JFK footage to go to Sixth Floor Museum" for the news video on the 6th Floor Museum getting the films...

The only way the features in the 6th Floor Museum copy would be sharper is if it was a 1st generation copy...

The Jones Collection started in 1970 and I assume that was a date where only film to film copies were available...And Jones may have gotten the Darnell Film copy before that...



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If: 1. the second shot was not as the shot pattern witnesses described the spacing, and 2. the 25 witnesses who reported JFK reacting to the first shot were wrong and JBC was hit by the second shot and 3. Altgens was wrong that his z255 photo was after the first shot. 4. Phil Willis was wrong that the first shot was just before z202 5. Nellie was wrong that she was looking at JFK and turned to look at JBC at the moment she heard the second shot and that she did not look at JFK after the second shot. etc.
Then: you could be right.

If ALL of those witnesses are not wrong, the zfilm does show that JBC was turned around and Nellie was looking at JFK when the second shot occurred and turned to look at JBC the moment she heard it and reached out and pulled him down to her lap.
I agree with that.  There is no way that a shot from anywhere outside the car could have caused his chest wound at that point.

Which means you are just a bit less crazy than Benjamin Cole.
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Nothing in the Z-file indicates either of the Connallys were looking at JFK when either the first or second shot was fired so how could either know which bullet struck him?
If: 1. the second shot was not as the shot pattern witnesses described the spacing, and 2. the 25 witnesses who reported JFK reacting to the first shot were wrong and JBC was hit by the second shot and 3. Altgens was wrong that his z255 photo was after the first shot. 4. Phil Willis was wrong that the first shot was just before z202 5. Nellie was wrong that she was looking at JFK and turned to look at JBC at the moment she heard the second shot and that she did not look at JFK after the second shot. etc.
Then: you could be right.

If ALL of those witnesses are not wrong, the zfilm does show that JBC was turned around and Nellie was looking at JFK when the second shot occurred and turned to look at JBC the moment she heard it and reached out and pulled him down to her lap.

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JBC not being shot until Z295 doesn't remotely line up with anything in the Z-film.
I agree with that.  There is no way that a shot from anywhere outside the car could have caused his chest wound at that point.
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The time that Jones made the copy was at a time when the only copies were film to film...Jones was a film professor...He would only make a film to film copy because he was aware that would create the best copy...Video transfer was primitive back then and you would see a video copy right away...In other words, it had to be film to film and the 6th Floor Museum might have the Jones copy in their possession...

You can't explain what other method Jones would have used in the 1970's to produce the clearer copy he had in his collection...

The dress neckline is a real and accurate image of Prayer Man's clothing...Unless, of course, you believe Larsen's Cinque-like CIA forgery claim...The Education Forum pretends to have very high standards, however they don't seem to mind Larsen's obvious excuse-making lie...

We have yet to see Chris Davidson's digital enhancement process applied to the original Hughes Film to bring out Stanton up behind Lovelady in the Prayer Man spot...This is prevented with the disingenuous strawman of calling for the original Prayer Man films...

Gary Mack was doing camera work for a local Dallas TV station in the early 1990's when Jones was still alive...Mack's professional expertise was film when he would have gotten knowledge of Jones' copy...Mack had to have a reason for saying it was film to film...

In The Education Forum's re-organization Moderator Mark Knight is in the process of figuring out how all the moderators who banned the guy with correct evidence on Prayer Man are going to deal with the re-organization of the site...And no, it isn't a clique of friends that is being left to judge its own wrongdoing...It is a serious group making serious decisions...

    I am interested in the Bona Fides of the Sixth Floor Museum Darnell Film due to the Bogus DPD Motorcycle Cop that it tracks deep inside the train yard. That said, the alleged "1st generation film-to-film copy" label that You are attaching to this Darnell Film is not even "sketchy". You do Not know: (1) When Prof Jones made his Darnell Film copy, (2) When the Sixth Floor Museum received this Darnell Film Copy, and (3) If this Sixth Floor Museum copy is the Jones Copy.

    Do you have documentation that Gary Mack himself claimed this Darnell Film was a "1st generation film-to-film copy"? 
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MG: Wow, so you wouldn't recommend a single pro-conspiracy book to a newcomer...

DVP: That's correct, I wouldn't.

And that says volumes about your credibility and objectivity.

But if I was being forced at gunpoint by a foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy fantasist to recommend just one conspiracy-leaning JFKA book, it would be this one by Gus Russo: [Brothers in Arms: The Kennedys, the Castros, and the Politics of Murder] [SNIP]

Actually, Russo co-authored the book with Stephen Molton.

Anyway, your bombastic verbiage -- "forced at gunpoint by a foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy fantasist" -- suggests a severe bias.

I, for one, would not need to have a "foaming-at-the-mouth lone-gunman theorist" put a gun to my head to get me to recommend a pro-WC book to a newcomer. I listed two anti-conspiracy books in my list of six books because I have enough objectivity and critical thinking skills to understand that it would show excessive bias and violate basic critical thinking principles to only recommend pro-conspiracy books to newcomers.

But there are some big problems with that book too, which I talk about HERE.

"Big problems," huh? That's curious because Brothers in Arms was widely acclaimed--it received positive reviews from scholars on both sides of the debate, from Anthony Summers to Daniel Schorr to Seymour Hersh.

You claim the book has "big problems" because your version of the assassination says that not only was Oswald the only gunman but that he had no accomplices of any kind at any point before or after the shooting, not even accessories before or after the fact.

MG: ...and you'd recommend the Warren Commission's report to a newcomer but not the House Select Committee on Assassinations report.

DVP: That's correct.

This is another statement that says volumes about your credibility and objectivity.

In other words, you'd recommend the report of a seven-member presidential commission, with a total staff of 27, that conducted an admittedly hurried investigation (fewer than 10 months), when we now know that three of the commission members disagreed with the report's key findings, but you wouldn't recommend the report of a select committee of the U.S. House of Representatives composed of 12 congressmen (only three of whom dissented) and that had a much larger staff, that consulted a much larger number and variety of experts, and that conducted a much longer investigation (nearly 2 years).

And that's because the HSCA's Dictabelt-based conclusion that JFK "was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy" has since been completely discredited and disproven.

If so, why do you suppose the lone-gunman view is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world? It's not like the lone-gunman view has suffered from a lack of cheerleading and advocacy by many legacy news outlets. Most people just don't buy what you're selling.

And the HSCA's acoustical evidence, far from having been "completely discredited and disproven," has been confirmed by new research done by BBN acoustical scientists from 2015 to 2018.

Furthermore, it cannot be repeated too often that the NRC/NAS panel that was formed to discredit the acoustical evidence (1) admitted  there's a 93% probability that the timing-movement correlations identified by the BBN scientists between the dictabelt and the Dealey Plaza test firing occurred because the dictabelt recorded gunfire in Dealey Plaza, and (2) admitted there's a 77.7% probability that the 144.9 impulse pattern, identified by the HSCA's acoustical scientists as gunfire from the grassy knoll, is in fact gunfire from the knoll.

But the first five [HSCA]conclusions that we find on THIS PAGE of the HSCA's Final Report are things that should be read by everybody. (And those 5 findings have never been proven to be wrong.)

Oh, boy. To put it more bluntly, you would cherry pick five findings that you like from a 734-page report and ignore the rest of the report.

BTW, as former HSCA staffers have explained, before BBN's chief scientist announced BBN's preliminary findings on the acoustical evidence, the HSCA had already found evidence of Ruby's significant Mafia ties, had already found evidence that the WC was mistaken about how Ruby entered the police basement to kill Oswald, had already found evidence that Ruby lied about why he shot Oswald, had already found evidence that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City in the weeks before the assassination, had already found evidence that someone was moving boxes in the sixth-floor window within 2 minutes after the assassination at a time when Oswald could not have been there, had already found evidence that Oswald associated with David Ferrie and Clay Shaw, and had already found evidence that Silvia Odio's account was credible.

But each of those books does something that no pro-conspiracy book has ever done --- i.e., follow the actual evidence in the case to where it all leads—a single gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald—without resorting to conjecture, speculation, guesswork, and unsupportable claims of fake evidence.

Actually, newcomers who read those books will quickly see that they contain plenty of "conjecture, speculation, guesswork," starting with the ludicrous and thoroughly debunked single-bullet theory (SBT).

Newcomers will also notice that pro-WC books markedly contradict each other regarding the timing of the shots, the timing of the hits, the location of JFK's rear head entry wound, the location of JFK's back wound, the trajectory of the SBT's alleged magic bullet through JFK and Connally, Oswald's motives, etc., etc.

Humm, could this be part of the reason that your view of the JFK assassination is rejected by 2/3 to 3/4 of the Western world?

 

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Perhaps another one of your ailments is a poor memory, but most people can remember the essentials of important events they experienced decades earlier. Custer expressly said he had absolutely no doubt about his recollection of this incident.

It is clear that the incident with Dr. Ebersole still bothered Custer, and understandably so. When a senior officer who is the chief of radiation therapy, the training director for nuclear medicine, and the director of the Radiation Exposure Evaluation Laboratory at your hospital tells you to perform the very odd action of taping bullet fragments onto skull bones and x-raying them, then gives you the transparently phony excuse that this is being done for a bust of JFK, and then tells you that you should forget everything you're about to see--that's gonna get burned into your memory.

So now you are pretending to be a memory expert.
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Really? Then let's hear your innocent explanation for why senior White House officials sent Ebersole back to the hospital with orders to have x-rays made of bullet fragments taped to skull bones. Let's hear it.

I don't know what the explanation is but I'm smart enough not to assume an answer to an unknown because I don't know what the answer is.
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I notice you at least had enough sense not to parrot the farcical "JFK bust" explanation. I guess you realized that even a high school student would understand that x-rays of bullet fragments taped to pieces of skull would have been worthless for making a bust of JFK. The White House press office alone had literally hundreds of high-quality photos of JFK's head that could have been used to make a bust of him.

My conclusions about this incident are not the least bit "highly illogical." The Ebersole-Custer incident was clearly an early attempt by high officials to create composite x-rays that would show images not found on the original x-rays. The only reason they didn't use the fraudulent Ebersole skull x-rays was that they realized they could alter the autopsy skull x-rays with darkroom techniques.


It's clear to people with illogical minds and active imaginations.
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We know the autopsy skull x-rays are altered copies of the originals from the following facts:

Not "we". It's "you". You seem to know a lot of things that aren't true.
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(1) The hard scientific evidence of multiple and independent optical-density (OD) measurements of the x-rays.

(2) The hard physical evidence that the x-ray film of the lateral neck x-ray has no emulsion missing from the side of the film in the area where the T-shaped symbol was etched into the x-ray, which is a physical impossibility unless the x-ray is a copy.

(3) The fact that the 6.5 mm object has been positively determined to be a ghosted image (both by high-magnification analysis and by independent OD measurements, not to mention that Dr. Mantik was able to duplicate how the object's image was added to the AP x-ray, and not to mention that forensic science tells us that an FMJ bullet will never "shear off" a fragment into the outer table of the skull as it penetrates the skull, especially not from the bottom side of the bullet when it's striking the skull at a downward angle of 15 degrees).

(4) The fact that the impossibly dense white patch on the lateral x-rays is not seen on the AP x-ray, a physical impossibility if the x-rays are pristine originals.

(5) The fact that the impossible white patch is not seen on JFK's pre-mortem skull x-rays.

(6) The fact that any area resembling the impossible white patch did not appear on any of the skull x-rays that Dr. Mantik and Dr. DeSalles used as controls.

This is MTG playing doctor again. This time a radiologist.
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I quote from my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth That a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy:

Oh, goody. You're quoting from your own book to support your argument.

I did an AI search and found your book is #1,989,139 on Amazon's list of best sellers. I'd love to know what #1,989,139 is.
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Doug Horne, a former chief analyst for the ARRB, provides more detail on the historic research on the white patch:

You're citing Doug Horne? A guy with zero medical training, i.e. another amateur like you.
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As a scientific “control,” Mantik and his research partner Dr. Doug DeSalles took OD measurements of lateral skull x-rays from nine coroner’s cases to obtain a range of numerical measurements between the brightest and darkest areas on these skull x-rays. In general, the brightest areas of the nine coroner’s cases transmitted about two or three times as much light as the darkest areas.

Furthermore, subjective, visual examination of the lateral x-rays of these nine skulls did not reveal the extreme contrast between very bright and very dark areas that is seen in the JFK lateral skull x-rays. The subjective visual evidence was consistent with the OD measurements, and vice-a-versa.

On the right lateral JFK skull x-ray, Dr. Mantik took many OD measurements of two specific areas. The optical density measurements for one extremely bright area located anatomically behind the ear, which he labeled “P” (for posterior) in a diagram at his lectures [i.e., the white patch], was compared with the optical density measurements for a very dark area in the front of the cranium [skull] labeled “F” (for front).

Amazingly, on the right JFK lateral skull x-ray, OD measurements revealed that area “P” (in the rear of the skull behind the ear) transmitted about 1100 times more light than area “F” (in the forward part of the skull which appears so dark in the x-ray image). That’s worth repeating: The “great white area” in the rear of the skull behind the ear in the JFK right lateral skull x-ray transmitted about1100 times more light than the dark area in the front of the cranium, whereas on the “control” x-rays the ratio was only about 2 or 3 to 1 between the brightest area and the darkest area on each lateral x-ray. (205:546)


Horne further notes that on four of the nine control lateral skull x-rays, the front part of the skull was brighter than the rear part of the skull (205:546 n 28). (A Comforting Lie, pp. 275-276)


You've enlisted a radiation oncologist and a Family Medicine Specialist to analyze forensic medical evidence. What's the matter? Couldn't you find a gynecologist to weigh in on the matter?
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   Sarah Stanton is very lucky she didn't end up having one of those suspicious deaths that others like her had...

From what her grand daughter told me we have to assume Sarah told FBI the same thing that she told her relatives at gatherings...That she met Lee Harvey Oswald on the 2nd Floor staircase landing outside the 2nd Floor Lunch Room on her way down to see the motorcade...Oswald was waiting for Mrs Reid to clear out the 2nd Floor Lunch Room in order to have a safe place to hide him while he was being set-up on the 6th Floor...Stanton asked Oswald if he was going down to watch the motorcade...Oswald responded "No, I'm going back in to the Break Room"...That Break Room was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room that Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald eating lunch in alone shortly after...Stanton's grand daughter Wanda told me that Sarah was conservative and authority-obeying and would not challenge an institution like the FBI...She also told me that Sarah was embarrassed about her obesity and avoided public exposure...So when FBI dealt with this dangerous threat to expose the conspiracy by lying and entering that Stanton did not see Oswald that day Stanton would be unlikely to publicly challenge it and did not...She probably never even read that altered statement...Seeing what got witnesses killed and why, Stanton is very lucky she did not experience one of the strange deaths many witnesses like herself experienced...

This is being kept off The Education Forum for what reason again???
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MG: Key and revealing information about the cover-up surfaced when the ARRB interviewed autopsy x-ray technician Jerrol Custer. Custer's testimony proves that the plotters were already exploring ways to produce altered skull x-rays the day after the autopsy.

Custer told the ARRB that the morning after the assassination, he was called into the radiology suite by Dr. John Ebersole, the autopsy radiologist, and was told to tape some metal fragments to skull bones and x-ray them. Custer x-rayed them with the same machine, at the same distance, that he used the night before during the autopsy. Custer stated that Ebersole said these x-rays would be used to make a bust of JFK. Custer added that Dr. Ebersole suggested that he “should forget” everything he was about to see:

A: The next morning I took them.

Q: And where did you take those X-rays?

A: In the main department, in a private room, with a portable X-ray unit.

Q: Was it the same x-ray unit that was used m to take the autopsy -

A: Yes, sir. The same distance.
 
Q: And what was the purpose of taking these x-rays?

A: I was told by Dr. Ebersole that they were to be taken to make measurements, to make a bust of President Kennedy.

Q: What did you do when you took the x-rays? What were the procedures? How did you go about taking them?

A: All I did was place the bone fragments on the film, and I made different exposures at different distances.

Q: Did Dr. Ebersole say anything to you about metal fragments?

A: He gave me three or four different metal fragments, varying in size. And he asked me to tape them to the bones. . . .

Q: Let me try asking you one question, just to make sure that the record is clear on this. Did Dr. Ebersole ask you to tape the metal fragments to the bone after he had returned from the White House? Are you able to say with certainty?

A: Absolutely. As soon as he walked in, that’s the first thing he said. “I want these bone fragments x-rayed with metal fragments taped”. . . .

Q: Is there any question in your mind whether you, in fact, taped metal fragments to the bones?

A: Absolutely no question at all in my mind. . . .

Q: Did Dr. Ebersole ever subsequently explain to you the purpose for taping metal fragments to the bones to be -

A: No, he didn’t. He just stated to me, when he brought the film -- the bone fragments and the metal fragments to me, that he had just come back from the White House after being debriefed.

Q: And what did he say about that debriefing?

A: WelI, he just said that he was debriefed by the Secret Service. And that was it. High-ranking people had talked to him. And he suggested to me that everything that I see from now on, I should forget. (“Deposition of Jerrol Francis Custer,” ARRB, Transcript of Proceedings, October 28, 1997, pp. 143-146)

Obviously, taping bullet fragments to skull bones and then x-raying the bones had nothing to do with making a bust of JFK. Ultimately, the plotters opted not to use these x-rays because they realized that the x-rays could be altered via darkroom techniques that would be virtually impossible to detect at the time.

Scientific proof of the alteration was not discovered until Dr. David Mantik performed optical density (OD) measurements on the skull x-rays in the 1990s. Dr. Mantik discovered that the 6.5 mm object is not metallic and that the white patch in the lower rear parietal-occipital area is a physical impossibility for a human skull.

Dr. Mantik discovered that the 6.5 mm object was ghosted over a somewhat smaller genuine bullet fragment and a tiny bullet fragment. The largest of the two fragments is an irregular and jagged fragment measuring 2.0 mm at its narrowest point and 2.5 mm at its widest point, and measuring right around 6.3 mm in height. The tiny fragment is roughly circular and has a diameter of about 0.25 mm.

The density of these two genuine metal fragments is far less than the impossibly density of the 6.5 mm object as established by its OD measurements. The density of the two fragments is consistent with the density of metal fragments, whereas the 6.5 mm object's density is a physical impossibility if the object is metallic, proving that it is a ghosted image.

Dr. Mantik was even able to duplicate how the 6.5 mm object was added to the AP skull x-ray. The 6.5 mm object does not appear on the lateral skull x-rays, further absolute proof that the object is not metallic.

BTW, when Dr. Mantik read Custer’s ARRB testimony, he contacted Custer and was able to interview him at length. Custer reaffirmed his ARRB testimony in every detail.


JC: It's truly amazing what you accept as proof. 30 year old recollections from an x-ray technician don't prove anything.

Perhaps another one of your ailments is a poor memory, but most people can remember the essentials of important events they experienced decades earlier. Custer expressly said he had absolutely no doubt about his recollection of this incident.

It is clear that the incident with Dr. Ebersole still bothered Custer, and understandably so. When a senior officer who is the chief of radiation therapy, the training director for nuclear medicine, and the director of the Radiation Exposure Evaluation Laboratory at your hospital tells you to perform the very odd action of taping bullet fragments onto skull bones and x-raying them, then gives you the transparently phony excuse that this is being done for a bust of JFK, and then tells you that you should forget everything you're about to see--that's gonna get burned into your memory.

Even if true, the conclusions you draw from his statement are highly illogical. You assume every unexplained event has sinister connotations.

Really? Then let's hear your innocent explanation for why senior White House officials sent Ebersole back to the hospital with orders to have x-rays made of bullet fragments taped to skull bones. Let's hear it.

I notice you at least had enough sense not to parrot the farcical "JFK bust" explanation. I guess you realized that even a high school student would understand that x-rays of bullet fragments taped to pieces of skull would have been worthless for making a bust of JFK. The White House press office alone had literally hundreds of high-quality photos of JFK's head that could have been used to make a bust of him.

My conclusions about this incident are not the least bit "highly illogical." The Ebersole-Custer incident was clearly an early attempt by high officials to create composite x-rays that would show images not found on the original x-rays. The only reason they didn't use the fraudulent Ebersole skull x-rays was that they realized they could alter the autopsy skull x-rays with darkroom techniques.

We know the autopsy skull x-rays are altered copies of the originals from the following facts:

(1) The hard scientific evidence of multiple and independent optical-density (OD) measurements of the x-rays.

(2) The hard physical evidence that the x-ray film of the lateral neck x-ray has no emulsion missing from the side of the film in the area where the T-shaped symbol was etched into the x-ray, which is a physical impossibility unless the x-ray is a copy.

(3) The fact that the 6.5 mm object has been positively determined to be a ghosted image (both by high-magnification analysis and by independent OD measurements, not to mention that Dr. Mantik was able to duplicate how the object's image was added to the AP x-ray, and not to mention that forensic science tells us that an FMJ bullet will never "shear off" a fragment into the outer table of the skull as it penetrates the skull, especially not from the bottom side of the bullet when it's striking the skull at a downward angle of 15 degrees).

(4) The fact that the impossibly dense white patch on the lateral x-rays is not seen on the AP x-ray, a physical impossibility if the x-rays are pristine originals.

(5) The fact that the impossible white patch is not seen on JFK's pre-mortem skull x-rays.

(6) The fact that any area resembling the impossible white patch did not appear on any of the skull x-rays that Dr. Mantik and Dr. DeSalles used as controls.

I quote from my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth That a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy:

Doug Horne, a former chief analyst for the ARRB, provides more detail on the historic research on the white patch:

As a scientific “control,” Mantik and his research partner Dr. Doug DeSalles took OD measurements of lateral skull x-rays from nine coroner’s cases to obtain a range of numerical measurements between the brightest and darkest areas on these skull x-rays. In general, the brightest areas of the nine coroner’s cases transmitted about two or three times as much light as the darkest areas.

Furthermore, subjective, visual examination of the lateral x-rays of these nine skulls did not reveal the extreme contrast between very bright and very dark areas that is seen in the JFK lateral skull x-rays. The subjective visual evidence was consistent with the OD measurements, and vice-a-versa.

On the right lateral JFK skull x-ray, Dr. Mantik took many OD measurements of two specific areas. The optical density measurements for one extremely bright area located anatomically behind the ear, which he labeled “P” (for posterior) in a diagram at his lectures [i.e., the white patch], was compared with the optical density measurements for a very dark area in the front of the cranium [skull] labeled “F” (for front).

Amazingly, on the right JFK lateral skull x-ray, OD measurements revealed that area “P” (in the rear of the skull behind the ear) transmitted about 1100 times more light than area “F” (in the forward part of the skull which appears so dark in the x-ray image). That’s worth repeating: The “great white area” in the rear of the skull behind the ear in the JFK right lateral skull x-ray transmitted about1100 times more light than the dark area in the front of the cranium, whereas on the “control” x-rays the ratio was only about 2 or 3 to 1 between the brightest area and the darkest area on each lateral x-ray. (205:546)


Horne further notes that on four of the nine control lateral skull x-rays, the front part of the skull was brighter than the rear part of the skull (205:546 n 28). (A Comforting Lie, pp. 275-276)
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I am just saying what the evidence says. Is JBC saying he was hit on the second shot a ”theory” or is that simply evidence? Is JBC turning right in response to the first shot a theory, or is it just evidence?

JBC was hit by the seconds shot. So was JFK. And it didn't take 48 frames for the bullet to pass from JFK's throat to JBC's back.
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     The images being clearer/sharper on the Darnell Film currently held by the Sixth Floor Museum proves nothing.

The time that Jones made the copy was at a time when the only copies were film to film...Jones was a film professor...He would only make a film to film copy because he was aware that would create the best copy...Video transfer was primitive back then and you would see a video copy right away...In other words, it had to be film to film and the 6th Floor Museum might have the Jones copy in their possession...

You can't explain what other method Jones would have used in the 1970's to produce the clearer copy he had in his collection...

The dress neckline is a real and accurate image of Prayer Man's clothing...Unless, of course, you believe Larsen's Cinque-like CIA forgery claim...The Education Forum pretends to have very high standards, however they don't seem to mind Larsen's obvious excuse-making lie...

We have yet to see Chris Davidson's digital enhancement process applied to the original Hughes Film to bring out Stanton up behind Lovelady in the Prayer Man spot...This is prevented with the disingenuous strawman of calling for the original Prayer Man films...

Gary Mack was doing camera work for a local Dallas TV station in the early 1990's when Jones was still alive...Mack's professional expertise was film when he would have gotten knowledge of Jones' copy...Mack had to have a reason for saying it was film to film...

In The Education Forum's re-organization Moderator Mark Knight is in the process of figuring out how all the moderators who banned the guy with correct evidence on Prayer Man are going to deal with the re-organization of the site...And no, it isn't a clique of friends that is being left to judge its own wrongdoing...It is a serious group making serious decisions...
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