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Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe when the CE-399 slug exited JBC's front chest, leaving a four-inch round ragged exit hole and expelling plenty of bone matter, the "jet-effect" pushed JBC back upright. The jet-effect!

Unaware he was injured, JBC then makes a 180-degree turn in his seat to look for JFK. Z-285.

Truth to tell, JBC looks uninjured at (blurry) Z-222, to my layman's eye. Unless one knows there has been gunshots, there is nothing odd about the way JBC looks. One can read anything into the way he looks.

Moviemakers know about this. If you have a close-up of an unemotional man's face, and the audience has just been informed the man has had a great loss or gain, the audience sees what they want in the man's face.

You think JBC is reacting to being grievously wounded at Z-222. Maybe so. He is sitting perfectly upright with no signs of distress. Maybe he is in a state of shock.

Maybe!
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 01:57:10 AM »
@Tom: that Z frame in your link has the Willis girl looking towards the JFK.

Any other Z frames you want to post to prove Willis girl looks back to TSBD before Z190?

Point being?

Regardless, the point I'm making is that she was looking back at the TSBD before Z-145 because she was consciously reacting to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124."
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Yes it would appear to those with eyes to see that both JFK and JC were hit by the same bullet at Z223-Z225. ( MG the Expert CT and Andrew the Alternate LN must have different eyes than Tom the KGB expert and Zeon the Near sighted, because apparently they do not assign any significance to JCs right shoulder abruptly turning at Z225 as being caused by impact of a bullet .

Unless the Z film has been altered, which I cannot prove.
 
Or unless there is a 2nd shot fired past or over the right shoulder of JFK that hit JC in his back, about 0.5 sec after JFK was hit by a shot in his upper back at Z 210-Z223 . One of those shots would have to be a suppressed shot otherwise witnesses would have heard 2 shots at Z 223 as “back to back” followed by a 4.8 second silent delay before then hearing Z313. A pattern of 1.2…….3 which is totally opposite of what 2/3rds majority heard which is the 1…..2.3 pattern.

If a suppressed shot from 2nd shooter the scenario gets more complicated and one has to wonder why and how the suppressed shot and the loud MC rifle shot were fired nearly simultaneously.

It’s gets even more complex to explain a pre planned frame of Oswald that allowed him to wander around TSBD.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 01:18:57 AM »
@Tom: that Z frame in your link has the Willis girl looking towards the JFK.

Any other other Z frames you want to post to prove Willis girl looks back to TSBD before Z190?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on November 20, 2025, 11:57:30 PM »
Hickey isn’t looking BACK at TSBD until some time AFTER Z207.

Nor are the other SS agents in the follow up car.

It’s certain they all have turned (except Clint Hill) to look back at TSBD at Z255 (Altgens 6 photo).

If Andrew’s Z190 - Z195 1st shot theory is the correct one, then Clint Hill not starting  to jump from the car until Z255 in Altgens photo 6 would mean it took him  about 3 secs to react after HEARING the Z190ish shot.

But if there is a 1.5 sec delay of JFK reacting to the Z190 ish shot then Clint Hill who had his eyes focused on JFK would not SEE the effect of the Z190 shot on JFK until Z220-z224 thus Hill reacted to SEEING  the effect at Z224 in only about 1.5 secs.

But can it be established ( as Andrew proposed) that JFK at Z223-224 has already been hit 1.5 secs earlier and that his lurch forward and hands moving up AT Z223 is a delayed bodily reaction?

Can it be established from Clint Hills WC testimony (and or subsequent interviews years later) that he did NOT experience simultaneously hearing the 1st shot with seeing the effect of the shot causing JFKs lurch forward and hands grabbing his throat?

LOL!

You're so full of beans.

Why is Rosemary Willis looking back towards the TSBD in Z-145 instead of taking advantage of her once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get a closeup view of JFK and Jackie?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg
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"Film notch" or sometimes called "film code" to indicate which side of the film has the emulsion...
Below is the image in context...




 BUMP
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A serious discussion is not his mission.

His mission is to spread as much nation-rending disinformation as possible.

       Maxwell has discovered a figure on a Bell Film still frame. He has posted that still frame. Who do you believe that figure is? This has absolutely nothing to do with "disinformation". 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on November 20, 2025, 10:44:42 PM »
Hickey isn’t looking BACK at TSBD until some time AFTER Z207.

Nor are the other SS agents in the follow up car.

It’s certain they all have turned ( except Clint Hill) to look back at TSBD at Z255 (Altgens 6 photo).

If Andrew’s Z190 - Z195 1st shot theory is the correct one, then Clint Hill not starting  to jump from the car until Z255 in Altgens photo 6 would mean it took him  about 3 secs to react after HEARING the Z190ish shot.

But if there is a 1.5 sec delay of JFK reacting to the Z190 ish shot then Clint Hill who had his eyes focused on JFK would not SEE the effect of the Z190 shot on JFK until Z220-z224 thus Hill reacted to SEEING  the effect at Z224 in only about 1.5 secs.

But can it be established ( as Andrew proposed) that JFK at Z223-224 has already been hit 1.5 secs earlier and that his lurch forward and hands moving up AT Z223 is a delayed bodily reaction?

Can it be established from Clint Hills WC testimony (and or subsequent interviews years later) that he did NOT experience simultaneously hearing the 1st shot with seeing the effect of the shot causing JFKs lurch forward and hands grabbing his throat?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on November 20, 2025, 10:09:32 PM »
Connally was hit in the back by the second Oswald shot at Z-224. It's clear as crystal on the Z film.

JFK and JBC were both hit by CE-399, and perhaps as early as Z-199.
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