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JM-

The bullet was not tumbling when it struck JBC's back.

Yes, it was.
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PJC--

Your crackpot theories on how the Zionists-Clean Towel Service team waxed JFK on 11.22 were warmly embraced by "moderator" William Niederhut and (the late) Ron Bulman at the (dis)Education Forum. And by many members, evidently eager to blame the Jews for the JFKA. 

Oh what a surprise that Niederhut, who espouses that Mossad placed exquisitely-timed explosives, thousands of them, into the WTC, to bring down the towers on 9.11...also points a boner at your Zionists of the Clean Towel  Service baloney. Niederhut also valorizes the feculent Ron Unz, and Laurent Guyénot.

Good luck at the (dis)Education Forum, you have found a loving home.

Yes...it is a fact the Oswalds lived a half-mile from the Clean Towel Service industrial HQ in Fort Worth, for three months, in 1962. 

That is your idea of a link between the JFKA and Zionists.

I don't know what to make of your posts. Do two different people post from your account or are you schizo?

You started this thread seeming to be championing the theory that the Jews did it. You even posted, "Reading Education Forum made me into an anti-Semite.". Now you seem to be scoffing at the idea that Zionists were behind the assassination.
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The shape of the wound was described as elliptical.  An ellipse is a symmetrical shape that cannot be made by the asymmetrical shape of the side of the bullet.  An ellipse can be made by a pristine bullet striking the back where the bullet direction is not perpendicular to the skin surface at the point of entry. The wound was noted by Dr. Shaw to have created a small tunnelling wound which is also inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.

The NOVA program which somebody recently posted in another thread included an excellent segment showing what happens when a Carcano bullet exits a body. It does tumble and they proved that by firing the Carcano through ballistic gel and ballistic soap with a board in front that matched the distance from JFK to JBC. The bullets consistently tumbled and made an elongated entry through the board almost the exact length of the Carcano bullet.
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And those are the words of an extremely confused person;

Earlene Roberts isn't important because we have much more compelling evidence than her recollection, namely that the witnesses to the shooting saw him wearing a jacket and HIS jacket was found under a car a short distance away.

Roberts is important, because if Oswald left the rooming house without a jacket, nobody could have seen him "wearing a jacket" while shooting Tippit. And no, there is not a shred of evidence that the (white) jacket found under a car is the same one (the grey one) that's now in evidence as CE 162. Once again the master of assumptions strikes again!

Right. Maybe Oswald's jacket ended up under the car by PFM.

So, now he believes in magic when he needs it!  :D

Right. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the jacket that was found under the car had fibers that matched the shirt Oswald was wearing. The same matching fibers were also found on the butt plate of the assassination rifle.

Oh boy, here he goes again with the fibers BS! But never mind, it doesn't matter as it is of course probable that fibers of Oswald's shirt were found in the grey jacket that's now in evidence. What you still can't figure out is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the white jacket found under the car is the same as Oswald's grey jacket that's now in evidence. I guess it must all be just a little too difficult for you to understand this.

But I guess that is all just an amazing coincidence and that Oswald was just the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.

So, being an unlucky SOB makes a murderer in your mind?

Are you still pretending fiber matching isn't real evidence? Are you still pretending our courts haven't accepted that as valid evidence for decades?
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JM-

The bullet was not tumbling when it struck JBC's back.
The shape of the wound was described as elliptical.  An ellipse is a symmetrical shape that cannot be made by the asymmetrical shape of the side of the bullet.  An ellipse can be made by a pristine bullet striking the back where the bullet direction is not perpendicular to the skin surface at the point of entry. The wound was noted by Dr. Shaw to have created a small tunnelling wound which is also inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.
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The FBI re-enactment in May 1964 was with the Oak tree after spring growth and will full leaves.  They also used the wrong car.  Even then, it showed the whole back of the car to be visible at z210.

The Secret Service film 10 days after the assassination showed the tree closer to as it was on Nov. 22/63.  It showed that JFK was quite visible at all times when passing under the tree and completely clear when he had just passed the lamp post and before he pass the Thornton sign which is between z190 and z200:


The tree in front of the TBSD was a pin oak which typically hold onto their leaves until late winter and can even keep them until the new buds appear in the spring.

CE889 shows the view from the sniper's nest at frame 166 during the SS recreation. There is plenty of foliage on the tree and while JFK is partially visible,
it is not a clear shot. It also shows there is a brief gap in the tree at Z185 but there would no reason for Oswald to rush that shot knowing his target would be completely clear in less than 2 seconds. Oswald's training would have taught him to squeeze the trigger which he wouldn't have time to do if he rushed a shot when he briefly had a window. His target came clear at Z210 and his slow squeeze at that time would have fired his rifle about a half second later.
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TG--

Seems to me, under your conspiracy theory, State Dep't man Snyder, former CIA, would have been obligated after the JFKA to come forward, even unasked, and tell what he knew of a CIA plan to send LHO to Russia. After all, the US president had just been assassinated. Snyder knew how LHO had ended up in Russia, if not why.

Yet the story for public consumption was that LHO went to Russia of his own volition.

Leonard V. McCoy and George Kisevalter knew nothing of the Solie plan?

How did Solie contact LHO? Directly (seems unlikely).

Through a cut-out? Then the cut-out would also have some information he/she should have made public.

You have crafted an interesting conspiracy theory regarding an aspect of the JFKA.

There are weaknesses...we have to assume Snyder never told anyone of his role in placing LHO into Russia, and the Solie-cutout-LHO individual also kept mum.

Forever, both of them. That's plausible.

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JM-

The bullet was not tumbling when it struck JBC's back.
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PJC--

Your crackpot theories on how the Zionists-Clean Towel Service team waxed JFK on 11.22 were warmly embraced by "moderator" William Niederhut and (the late) Ron Bulman at the (dis)Education Forum. And by many members, evidently eager to blame the Jews for the JFKA. 

Oh what a surprise that Niederhut, who espouses that Mossad placed exquisitely-timed explosives, thousands of them, into the WTC, to bring down the towers on 9.11...also points a boner at your Zionists of the Clean Towel  Service baloney. Niederhut also valorizes the feculent Ron Unz, and Laurent Guyénot.

Good luck at the (dis)Education Forum, you have found a loving home.

Yes...it is a fact the Oswalds lived a half-mile from the Clean Towel Service industrial HQ in Fort Worth, for three months, in 1962. 

That is your idea of a link between the JFKA and Zionists.









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I don't know why I didn't think of that before but of course Oswald's view of JFK would have been blocked by the tree from Z166 until Z210 which make highly unlikely Oswald would have even attempted a shot at Z193. Why would he do that when he would have a clear shot at JFK if he just waited one more second. JFK cleared the tree at Z210 which is why the WC concluded that is the earliest time he could have fired the single bullet. In reality, he squeezed the shot off about a half second after JFK came into the clear. He might have been tracking is target while JFK was passing under the tree, but it would have been very stupid to try to force the shot before he had a clear line of fire.

This same line of thinking casts aspersions on the HSCA conclusion that the single bullet was fired at Z189. I don't know what they were sniffing when they came up with that one. I'll bet they based that conclusion on the flawed acoustics evidence and not on the genuine Z-film.
The FBI re-enactment in May 1964 was with the Oak tree after spring growth and will full leaves.  They also used the wrong car.  Even then, it showed the whole back of the car to be visible at z210.

The Secret Service film 10 days after the assassination showed the tree closer to as it was on Nov. 22/63.  It showed that JFK was quite visible at all times when passing under the tree and completely clear when he had just passed the lamp post and before he pass the Thornton sign which is between z190 and z200:
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