JFK Assassination Forum

Thanks for helping John Mytton out. He was struggling, so now he can relax a bit.

Helen Markham, standing at the northwest corner of Tenth and Patton, testified to the Warren Commission that the cop-killer (who she positively identified as Lee Oswald) had on a short jacket that was open in the front and was grayish-tan in color.

As you mention Markham, there's something I have wanted to ask you ever since you did that video interview. Let me establish the context first. Markham testified that she took her usual bus to work from Jefferson at 1.15. You made a big deal about the time table showing there was a bus at 1.12 an 1.22 and I agreed it could have been either bus; a delayed 1.12 or indeed 1.22. The point is that if you take the same bus to work, you normally would try to get to the bus stop a few minutes earlier than the scheduled departure time. I know I did in my late teens when I caught the bus to my first, very modest, job. So, let's say for argument's sake that Markham would have at least tried to have gotten to the bus stop some three minutes earlier, at around 1.12 perhaps 1.13. Would that be fair?

Now we know from the FBI that Markham had to walk two blocks, from 9th street to Jefferson and that walking each block would have taken her 2,5 to 3 minutes. So, in order to get to the bus stop at a fairly safe time she would have had to leave 9th street at around 1.06 or 1.07, right?

Here's the problem I can't solve, so perhaps you can help me. Dale Myers has Markham standing on the corner of 10th and Patton when Tippit drives by. There's anything unusual to see a police cruiser pass by, she you would expect that after the car had passed, she would just cross the street and carry on walking to get to the bus stop on time. Right? But according to Myers, Markham didn't do that and I have never been able to understand that. Perhaps it would have been more understandable if Markham had a bit more spare time before she had to be at the bus stop, but why in the world would she risk missing her bus to observe for two minutes or so a police car? Can you explain that to me?

Now, let's just get back to the FBI timing of the walking distance. If we assume that Markham would have tried to be at least two minutes earlier at the bus stop to catch her bus at 1.15, and she did leave 9th street at 1.06 or 1.07, that would have gotten her to 10th and Patton at 1.10, perhaps 1.11. But according to Myers, and you argree with him, Tippit was shot at around 1.14.30. So what am I missing here? Did Markham get to 10th and Patton at 1.11 and stayed there for several minutes, or did she leave 9th street several minutes later at the risk of not getting to the bus stop on time. Can you make sense of this?

As you mention Markham, there's something I have wanted to ask you ever since you did that video interview. Let me establish the context first. Markham testified that she took her usual bus to work from Jefferson at 1.15. You made a big deal about the time table showing there was a bus at 1.12 an 1.22 and I agreed it could have been either bus; a delayed 1.12 or indeed 1.22. The point is that if you take the same bus to work, you normally would try to get to the bus stop a few minutes earlier than the scheduled departure time. I know I did in my late teens when I caught the bus to my first, very modest, job. So, let's say for argument's sake that Markham would have at least tried to have gotten to the bus stop some three minutes earlier, at around 1.12 perhaps 1.13. Would that be fair?

No.

To get to her bus stop "some three minutes earlier" than the time the bus was due by would mean she would get to the bus stop at around 1:09 (for the 1:12 bus) or 1:19 (for the 1:22 bus).

The mistake you're making above is that you're assuming that she said the bus arrived at 1:15.  When she gave the time of 1:15 (which is the ONLY time she ever gave, re: her bus), we really can't know if she's saying she caught the bus at 1:15 (she'd be wrong if this is what she was saying) or that she usually got to the bus stop at 1:15.

The police radio report by Bowley at 1:17 (combined with what Bowley tells us he did upon arriving at the scene before taking the mic from Benavides) tells me that Markham was approaching the corner of Tenth & Patton around 1:15.

Now we know from the FBI that Markham had to walk two blocks, from 9th street to Jefferson and that walking each block would have taken her 2,5 to 3 minutes. So, in order to get to the bus stop at a fairly safe time she would have had to leave 9th street at around 1.06 or 1.07, right?

I guess it depends on what you mean by "a fairly safe time".  I mean, was she saying that she tries to get to the bus stop at 1:15?  If that's what she was saying and she was on what she'd consider her perfect schedule, then yes, she'd be at Tenth & Patton around 1:12 or a half minute after.

I don't rely on Markham's time estimate for one simple reason.  The police tapes, combined with the actions of T.F. Bowley (reporting the shooting on the squad car radio at 1:17), Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis (calling the police on the phone almost immediately after the shots rang out and the dispatcher Murray Jackson being unaware of any of their phone calls by the time he received the radio call from Bowley) tells me that Markham was at the corner at roughly 1:15/1:16.  In other words, the police tapes (combined with the self-described actions of the four I just mentioned) tell me that Markham's time estimate of when it was that she was at the corner was flat-out wrong.

It happens.

Here's the problem I can't solve, so perhaps you can help me. Dale Myers has Markham standing on the corner of 10th and Patton when Tippit drives by. There's anything unusual to see a police cruiser pass by, she you would expect that after the car had passed, she would just cross the street and carry on walking to get to the bus stop on time. Right? But according to Myers, Markham didn't do that and I have never been able to understand that. Perhaps it would have been more understandable if Markham had a bit more spare time before she had to be at the bus stop, but why in the world would she risk missing her bus to observe for two minutes or so a police car? Can you explain that to me?

Here's how I've always seen it play out...

Markham is not actually at the corner when Tippit cruises slowly through the intersection.  I can imagine it like this... she's approaching the corner, perhaps forty or fifty feet still from the corner when she sees Tippit cruise along Tenth and crossing Patton.  By the time she actually gets to the corner, Tippit is pulling over or has just pulled over.  She sees the guy who was walking then walk over to the passenger side of the car and watched as the conversation between the two takes place.  Because of this, instead of continuing to walk on her merry way, she stands there at the corner wondering why a police officer in his squad car has pulled alongside a guy who was walking on the sidewalk.

In short, she has not arrived at the corner yet when Tippit drove through the intersection.

Now, let's just get back to the FBI timing of the walking distance. If we assume that Markham would have tried to be at least two minutes earlier at the bus stop to catch her bus at 1.15, and she did leave 9th street at 1.06 or 1.07, that would have gotten her to 10th and Patton at 1.10, perhaps 1.11. But according to Myers, and you argree with him, Tippit was shot at around 1.14.30. So what am I missing here? Did Markham get to 10th and Patton at 1.11 and stayed there for several minutes, or did she leave 9th street several minutes later at the risk of not getting to the bus stop on time. Can you make sense of this?

We can't assume that Markham was trying to catch a bus at 1:15.  There's no reason to assume that, especially since we know there was no 1:15 bus.

By the way, my opinion is that the shooting occurred around 1:15:30(ish).

Domingo Benavides told Eddie Barker (The Warren Report, part 3, CBS-TV, 1967) that he watched the killer go around the corner and then sat there in his truck "for a second or two" before getting out and going over to Tippit and, realizing there was nothing he could do for Tippit, grabs the police radio.  My opinion is that Benavides begins keying the mic shortly after 1:16 and was on the mic 30 to 45 seconds after the shots (based on getting out of his truck "a second or two" after the killer went around the corner).

The fact that TSD sufferers want to compare Trump to a man who was responsible for 6 million Holocaust victims and 39 million other deaths in the European theater of WWII says a lot about their lack of perspective.

After fifty-plus years (it started in 1959) of KGB* disinformation, active measures (can you say Oliver Stone's "JFK"?), and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies had sufficiently dumbed-down, made paranoiac, and made apathetic a great deal of our body politic, "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin installed "useful idiot" (or worse) Donald Trump as our "president" at the end of the most successful KGB "active measures" operation ever conducted (i.e., during the 2016 campaign), with help, of course, from oodles and gobs of zombified "useful idiots," many of whom are now suffering from a serious case of buyer's remorse.

*Today's SVR and FSB

51:40.
Brehm at an earlyer time said that the sound of shots came from a building in Houston (not the TSBD)(& not from 2 buildings in Houston).
Brehm at an earlyer time said that he thort that shots came from the TSBD.
Anyhow, re Brehm, u need to be careful re his actual wordage. Where he heard the apparent source of the sound of shots is not necessaryly the same thing as where he thort the shots came from. Where he thort the shots came from is (& Brehm is happy to admit this) a later Brehm invention based on all of the facts & factoids floating around back then. I am not saying that Brehm was at any time dishonest, he was truthful at all times, & was happy to explain the apparent contradiction.

Did the Bronson footage show that Brehm did not immediately take steps to protect his son?
I will hav a look.
If so then Bronson (once again) shows/confirms how (Brehm's)(& everyone's) memory is fraught.

    People need to remember that Brehm was a wounded WW 2 Vet. WW 2 Vets carried that "experience" around with them the rest of their lives.

51:40.
Brehm at an earlyer time said that the sound of shots came from a building in Houston (not the TSBD)(& not from 2 buildings in Houston).
Brehm at an earlyer time said that he thort that shots came from the TSBD.
Anyhow, re Brehm, u need to be careful re his actual wordage. Where he heard the apparent source of the sound of shots is not necessaryly the same thing as where he thort the shots came from. Where he thort the shots came from is (& Brehm is happy to admit this) a later Brehm invention based on all of the facts & factoids floating around back then. I am not saying that Brehm was at any time dishonest, he was truthful at all times, & was happy to explain the apparent contradiction.

Did the Bronson footage show that Brehm did not immediately take steps to protect his son?
I will hav a look.
If so then Bronson (once again) shows/confirms how (Brehm's)(& everyone's) memory is fraught.
Had a look. The Bronson footage stops shortly after Z313 & so Bronson karnt tell us much about what Brehm did or didnt do re protecting his son.

Not sure if the “blockade” description is reverse psychology or if it means blockading the coastline of Iran so there’s no chance of the fanatic death cult version Islamic regime  ( the false one) being able to mine the waters.

Maybe the new mission should be renamed “SafeGuard” the strait to allow all merchants ships safe passage with aid of US Navy escort ships. This could be a joint venture  with Russia, China, France , Britain and the oil from that special island can be distributed by US at bargain prices once the island is occupied and under control of the US Marines.