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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:07:00 PM »Paul Landis passed the rather high hurdle to becoming a Secret Service agent, left with an unblemished record, and has never even been accused of sensationalism, publicity-seeking, ideological extremism, or delusions in the years after he left the Secret Service.
So how is Paul Landis not a solid guy?
Landis probably was a solid guy when he left the Secret Service. That's why it is not credible that he would have handled such an important piece of evidence as a bullet in such an incompetent manner as he claims to have done with CE399. He clearly didn't have all his marbles when he told his fantastic story in 2023, 60 years after the fact. Time affects all of us, both physically and mentally. His story makes no sense and doesn't jibe with other known facts.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 05:05:52 PM »
This is where people who should back you and strike down a nutty claim don't...
That's why the current internet JFK research community is more interested in NOT solving the conspiracy than solving it...
No credible researcher would deny that is Lovelady & Shelley going up extension in Couch/Darnell...
The above shows you have NOTHING to Prove those "2 Guys" on the Couch/Darnell Films are Lovelady/Shelley. The WC testimonies of Lovelady and Shelley are Proof. I supply Proof, you supply only huff-n-puff.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:01:19 PM »Humes was Not informed of this BULLET, (not a Fragment or a slug), being found. This is why he frantically had JFK X-Rayed from head to toe. You're popping off and revealing how shallow your JFK Assassination knowledge is. Getaway from the keyboard and do some serious research.
I've yet to see you post anything that seemed to be the result of serious research. Humes, Boswell, and Finck were initially confused by the fact they had an entrance wound, no apparent exit, and no bullet in the body. Once they traced the path of the bullet, it led them to the damaged trachea rings making it apparent it had exited the throat, a finding the confirmed when the talked to Perry and learned he had performed the tracheostomy over the exit wound.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 05:00:10 PM »A solid guy would not have kept a secret like that for over 60 years. How the hell would a bullet end up in the backseat. It makes no sense.
ex-Secret Service agents are not immune from cognitive decline. False memories happen to lots of people and Secret Service agents are people. No way I believe this cockamamie story.
See the above? That is YOU using the term "solid guy". If you are using terms that you have No Idea what they mean, just say so. Every post you make on any thread reveals why the Ed Forum went under.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:57:42 PM »Back wound was from a sub sonic round used by sniper to reduce noise, and making the through and through back shot to leave a small exit hole as slug hit nothing hard to distort slug making a big exit hole.
Your conclusions are consistently among the goofiest presented in this forum. You are correct that CE399 did not deform because upon hitting soft tissue but that is because it was a FMJ bullet that is designed specifically not to deform upon hitting soft tissue. That is the reason the exit wound in JFK's throat was a neat, round hole, but your explanation that it was a sub-sonic round is bizarre. Why would an assassin resort to using such an underpowered round. It makes no sense.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 04:56:17 PM »The protection detail, Landis included, flew back to Washington aboard AF1. I can't say positively that no SS agents were deployed to fly back to Washington on the C130, but I see no reason why that would have been done.
If the bullet was found during the flight of C130 back to Washington, it could not have been CE399 because that was found at Parkland.
What reason would there have been to send a bullet found in the limo to Bethesda during the autopsy. The skull fragments would have been important for the prosectors to look at, not any bullet or bullet fragments.
Humes was Not informed of this BULLET, (not a Fragment or a slug), being found. This is why he frantically had JFK X-Rayed from head to toe. You're popping off and revealing how shallow your JFK Assassination knowledge is. Getaway from the keyboard and do some serious research.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New: "Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald"
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:52:55 PM »Now that voice stress analysis (VSA) technology has become widely used by intelligence and law enforcement agencies all over the world, George O'Toole's PSE analysis of Oswald's declaration of innocence poses a serious challenge to the lone-gunman theory. The PSE, i.e., the Psychological Stress Evaluator, was the first patented VSA device. Most of what follows is an abbreviated version of my section on O'Toole's Oswald PSE analysis in my article "Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald."
When O'Toole became aware of the PSE and the evidence of its reliability, he decided to analyze Oswald's declaration of innocence with the PSE. Much to his surprise, the PSE charts on Oswald's statement showed an almost complete lack of stress, a very strong indicator he was telling the truth when he said he didn't shoot anyone.
Realizing the historic significance of his finding, O'Toole decided to have two leading PSE experts, Mike Kradz and Lloyd Hitchcock, review his Oswald PSE charts. Significantly, O'Toole did not tell Kradz whose PSE charts he was analyzing. He simply told him the charts were of a person who had been accused of murder and who had denied it. O'Toole told Hitchcock up front whose PSE charts he was analyzing.
Both Kradz and Hitchcock concluded the PSE charts showed Oswald was telling the truth when he said he didn't shoot anyone. Hitchcock even did his own PSE analysis of Oswald's innocence declaration to confirm this finding.
But O'Toole didn't stop there. He next asked an unlikely source, Dr. Gordon Barland of the University of Utah, to assess the Oswald PSE charts. Dr. Barland was a well-known and respected polygraph examiner. He conducted lie-detection research at the University of Utah. His research was often published in the Journal of the American Polygraph Association. Before he became a professor at the University of Utah, Dr. Barland was a polygraph examiner in Army intelligence and worked on the Department of Defense’s Joint Working Group on Lie Detection. Unlike many other polygraph examiners, Dr. Barland did not summarily dismiss VSA technology but was willing to test it; after doing so, he concluded it was reliable.
Dr. Barland conducted his own PSE analysis of the recording of Oswald’s assertion of innocence. He found “a complete lack of stress in Oswald’s statement that he had not shot anyone,” and concluded that “Oswald appeared to be telling the truth when he proclaimed his innocence” (O’Toole, The Assassination Tapes, 1975, pp. 137-138).
When the first VSA machine, the Dektor company's PSE, was patented and began to gain acceptance, the polygraph industry, led by the American Polygraph Association, launched a frontal assault on the PSE and on VSA technology in general. Of course, VSA technology posed a threat to the polygraph industry's profits and threatened to put some polygraphers out of work.
Long story short, the polygraph industry eventually lost the debate because enough honest scientists and law enforcement experts tested and analyzed VSA technology and found it to be reliable. Of course, like any lie-detection machine, poorly trained or dishonest technicians may misuse it and produce invalid results, but this is relatively rare. Invalid VSA results are less frequent than invalid traditional polygraph results.
Today, literally thousands of law enforcement departments/agencies around the world use VSA devices for lie detection. The most commonly used VSA machine is the Computer Voice Stress Analyzer (CVSA), and there are over 5,000 certified CVSA analysts in the U.S. alone. More than 200 non-police security, intelligence, and military units around the world use VSA devices, including units in the U.S., England, New Zealand, and South Korea. It is no secret that the CIA makes extensive use of VSA technology for lie detection.
Again, MTG accepts VSA solely because it supports his narrative. There is a reason neither VSA nor traditional polygraphs have been widely accepted by the courts. Unlike fingerprints and ballistic matching, there has never been widespread consensus that either is a reliable form of evidence. The fact that it finds Oswald's declaration of innocence to be truthful when there are so many well established and acceptable forms of evidence that clearly indicates his guilt is reason enough not to accept VSA as a credible evidentiary tool.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:44:40 PM »You're forgetting about the JFK Limo being flown back to DC aboard the C130. If you believe the SS did Not get inside that car during the long flight back to DC, your gullible beyond belief. I believe this is when this bullet was found.
Strange, that pieces of JFK's skull would be found and immediately marched into the autopsy room for fitting into the holes in his head. Yet, there was No Mention of this bullet while Humes et al were X-Raying JFK's body from head to toe amidst the search for a missing bullet. No, not strange at all. Humes was snooker'd.
The protection detail, Landis included, flew back to Washington aboard AF1. I can't say positively that no SS agents were deployed to fly back to Washington on the C130, but I see no reason why that would have been done.
If the bullet was found during the flight of C130 back to Washington, it could not have been CE399 because that was found at Parkland.
What reason would there have been to send a bullet found in the limo to Bethesda during the autopsy. The skull fragments would have been important for the prosectors to look at, not any bullet or bullet fragments.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:40:55 PM »So we’re supposed to believe that just ONE SS agent all by himself, no others around him, made a search of the limo ( and no one else saw him doing so) and found a bullet on the backseat which had been missed by dozens of other people surrounding the limo and guarding the limo at time it was at the Bethesda hospital?
Your question is a good one as well as being rhetorical. It pretty much answers itself.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CD 298 and CD 107: Overlooked Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:39:32 PM »It's interesting and revealing to note that the FBI's Dealey Plaza model had the oak tree's foliage inaccurately reduced to the point that the sixth-floor gunman had an unobstructed view of JFK for the 167-foot first shot, i.e., at right around Z193.
Harrison Edward Livingstone was one of the first researchers to point out that the FBI's 1/20/1964 visual aid is strong evidence that the extant Zapruder film is not the original. Indeed, as mentioned, if the FBI analysts had been viewing the Zapruder film that we now have, they would have had to be shockingly, unbelievably incompetent to conclude that Connally was not hit until Z311 and that the explosive headshot occurred at Z318.
So why would you criticize the WC for not accepting the FBI's analysis.
The WCR is the Holy Grail of the JFKA. With minor exceptions they nailed the narrative. It has stood the test of time. Nothing has come close to taking its place. Bugliosi's Reclaiming History was a full-throated defense of the WCR. It did not stray from the fundamental findings of the WCR.
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