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Keep digging that rabbit hole deeper. Absolutely nothing in there than indicates anyone was an accomplice to the assassin. Anyone who rejects that Oswald was the assassin has no hope of ever figuring out the truth of the assassination, and the only way to make the case for conspiracy is to provide evidence that somebody, anybody, conspired with Oswald to kill JFK. We're coming up on the 63rd anniversary of the assassination and no one has been able to make that connection. Is there any reason to believe anyone ever will.

CTs keep treating the JFKA as if it is giant game of Clue and they think if they keep reshuffling the cards, they can produce a different outcome. The only correct answer is that Oswald, did it from the TSBD, with a Carcano rifle.


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https://time.com/archive/6841111/investigations-the-inquest-begins-getting-closer-to-nixon/

//This automatic response to any White House request was also demonstrated by the State Department. In Au gust 1971 it cooperated with Hunt after receiving a memo from the White House and two calls from David Young, an Ehrlichman assistant on detached service from Henry Kissinger’s Nation al Security Council staff. Young telephoned William B. Macomber Jr., then a Deputy Under Secretary of State. Macomber granted Hunt full access to the most secret “back -channel” communications (meaning only the addressee and sender should see them) between the State Department and its embassy in Saigon for a period in 1963. Hunt copied 240 of these classified cables.

According to sworn testimony by Hunt, he then examined the cables to determine whether there was any indication, as he hoped, that President John Kennedy had ordered the assassination of South Viet Nam’s President Ngo Dinh Diem. Hunt said that this study was supervised by Charles Colson, then special counsel to Nixon. Hunt claimed that he showed Colson some cables that could conceivably have been interpreted as implied orders from the Kennedy Administration to “pull the trigger against Diem’s head.” According to Hunt, Colson declared: “Well, this isn’t good enough. Do you think that you could improve on them?” Hunt said he would need technical help to fabricate something more conclusive, but Colson replied: “This is too hot. See what you can do on your own.”

To draft a cable that sounded authentic, Hunt said that he then used a White House Xerox machine, a razor blade and a typewriter. Because it lacked the proper type face, however, he knew it would not stand careful scrutiny. He and Colson, Hunt testified, thereupon tried to convince a LIFE correspondent, William Lambert, that the cable was genuine. Lambert was impressed at first but later became doubtful and never wrote about it....

My research results you are reacting to include a small number of people. The odds the associations, timing, and the coordinated activities of the people named were
coincidental are untolled, dismissing the majority of them to pure chance is unreasonable.

The "hands on" activities of the people I am naming took place between 1959 and 1978. The initial relationships began as far back as when the were classmates
as early as 1931.

1931 - Tom Devine, Peter Dryer, Hawley Ward, begin school together at private Allendale-Columbia School in Rochester, NY. Devine's father, Adrian is headmaster.
Tom Devine's grandmother was a first cousin of John D Rockefeller III's father-in law.

..What approach would you take if you were to do and share JFK Assassination research that would be more productive than my approach? Should the details I and others who employ the research techniques I employ, not be found and shared? Are they mostly unimportant? How do you know?

As an example, my latest is posted in the Cord Meyer thread. I was searching for relationships of Joseph F. Dryer and family and Thomas J. Devine and family, all of Rochester, NY. Instead a reference to Louise Hooker and Devine's maternal grandfather, Charles W. Dodge caught my eye.

Then, pursuing the obvious, I researched whether Charles W. Dodge has married a close relative of Edward Gordon Hooker; whether Demohrenschildt's step nephew and oil exploration partner was related to Devine's grandmother, and thus, to Devine.

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George L. Ohrstrom, Jr., and Family, Father was Prescott Bush ...

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/18989-george-l-ohrstrom-jr-and-family-father-was-prescott-bush-friend/

Apr 8, 2012 – Miss Alexandra Mills Is Bride of TJ Devine ... Mrs. Thomas J. Devine and of the late Prof. and Mrs. Charles W. Dodge,

Instead, I found that Devine's maternal grandmother, Louise Hooker Dodge, was the first cousin of Elon Huntington Hooker, father-in-law of John D. Rockefeller, III, who married Hooker's daughter, Blanchette Ferry Hooker, in 1932.

David Milton's son-in-law, George O'Neill, was employed at Train, Cabot. Thomas J. Devine was employed at Train, Cabot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Rockefeller_Mauz%C3%A9
Abby Rockefeller Mauzé - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She had two daughters with her first husband, David Milton: Abby Rockefeller Milton, married George Dorr O'Neill; Marilyn Rockefeller Milton, married William .....

Robert G. Stone, Jr. married Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller's daughter, Marion. Thomas J. Devine was a director at Stone's Stonetex oil exploration company. Robert G. Stone, Jr. was the Harvard Fund officer linked to the manipulative bailout of Harken Energy. Harken's Alan Quasha had bought George W Bush's worthless oil exploration company, resulting in Bush having the funds to buy one percent of the Texas Ranger's baseball team, positioning Bush as a viable contender for Texas governor.

Marion Rockefeller's brother, Godfrey Anderson, became a Bell, Dallas helicopter test pilot in the late 1950's at the time David Mitlon headed the Equity Corp., majority owner of Bell Aircraft and appointed George O'Neill to the Bell board of directors and Walter Dornberger as Bell V.P.

If you're communicating to me that you think the details in the above example are trivial or unimportant, please post why, and how you know this.

I see them as building blocks. 

Who was most exposed financially after the failure of the Bay of Pigsinvasion?

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https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Godfrey_Stillman_Rockefeller
Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller - SourceWatch
Freeport McMoRan Background "riginally Freeport Texas, the company had became Freeport Sulphur and a bastillion of the elite including the Whitney family, Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller, Chauncey Stillman, Jean Mauze (husband of Abby Rockefeller), Augustus Long (Texaco), and Robert Lovett (friend

1944 -
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https://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf
The Beaver Si
Alpha Theta of Sigma Chi
Summer term, 1944
....Of the officers, Ritchie
was Consul, Freiberger was
Pledge Trainer. and Howland
was Magister. Hunter M. Bennett, Jr., "Gary" Coit, Jr., and
Bruce Mayer were then pledges. Accordingly, the chapter conducted a vigorous and successful
July Rush Week. John Taylor
was Rushing Chairman and...
among his most active assistants
were "Tod" Howland, Freiberger, Brannan, Bennett and Coit.
A large class was pledged, headed by Norman Meullen andfor
followed by Carl Bergmann, Thomas Devine, Bradford Endicott, Robert Jenkins, Perry Nies.
Howard Hendershott,

Mary Ferrell Foundation

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=GUIDE-302
Cryptonym: GUIDE-302
104-10135-10088: PARTIAL CONTACT REPORT ON MEETING WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON, 30-31 JAN 2/4/64 report 17457 by Gary Coit, SR/CA: Coit interviewed Priscilla Johnson about a Soviet student named Aseev at Harvard who had decided to defect to the US.

Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
Daily Boston Globe – Aug 14, 1947
… rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
the Hotel … one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
fraternity house … Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
told of taking refuge in ..

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27246-priscilla-johnson-mcmillan-and-the-cia/
Priscilla Johnson McMillan and the CIA - The Education Forum
However, Coit told her he would "probably be back to see her from time to time to see what she knows about specific persons whose names might come up, and she at least nodded assent to this." Priscilla Johnson's Wikipedia article points out she married George McMillan in 1965. He is described as a

Priscilla's cousin, David, thanked by the author, in her book Marina and Lee for shielding Marina from the press upon the release of the WC Report.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:49:49 AM »
I give precisely zero credence to anything dingbat Mary said. The term "hallucinating" had actually occurred to me. In her appearance in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," she said, without prompting, "if" it was shot. She also wrote a few hours after the assassination that she was standing ten feet from the Newmans - should we believe that?

Dear FPR,

1) How many years after the assassination was the pro-CT "documentary," TMWKK?

2) Regarding Woodward's horrible, horrible "ten feet from the Newmans" gaff, I think you should take into account the probability that she was traumatized -- to the point of later "haziness" -- by seeing the brains of her acquaintance get blown out a short distance from her, and the possibility that she just wasn't good at estimating distances, anyway.

3) In other words, BFD. Pardon my German.

-- Tom
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I didn't want to be unkind, but my sense is what Jarrett is suggesting: Mary was a dingbat.

Your explanation just doesn't work. For one thing, she said in her article the Newmans were ten feet away from her when they dove to cover their child. Uh, no. She had multiple opportunities to clarify that they had eaten lunch on the grassy knoll earlier and then walked down to Elm, but she didn't. In her 2015 interview, she said that while they were standing on Elm she looked at the grassy knoll and commented to her companions about the lax security. She said nothing about having been there herself. Mary was a dingbat.

Dear FPR,

Mary "Dingbat" Woodward was probably traumatized when she watched, from a short distance away, the head of her acquaintance, JFK, get blown to smithereens.

I'm sure that something like that would not affect a macho genius like you.

Even though she was traumatized, she did get five easy-for-her-to-recall things right in her next-day article:

1) The first shot sounded like a backfire.

2) The first shot missed everyone.

3) JFK and Jackie turned their heads in response to it.

4) JFK and Jackie waved to her and her three colleagues.

5) There were three shots.

-- Tom


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 01:21:10 AM »
Dear FPR,

Do you think Dallas Morning News reporter Mary Woodward was hallucinating when she wrote a few hours after the assassination that she heard a backfire-like shot shortly after the limo turned onto Elm Street, that she didn't think the shot hit anyone, and that she heard two other shots after it?

-- Tom
I give precisely zero credence to anything dingbat Mary said. The term "hallucinating" had actually occurred to me. In her appearance in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy," she said, without prompting, "if" it was a shot. She also wrote a few hours after the assassination that she was standing ten feet from the Newmans - should we believe that?
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I don't think this is at all confusing. She probably did eat her lunch somewhere on the GK and then moved up to the curb when she saw the motorcade was approaching. I don't know that for a fact but it seems a reasonable explanation.
I didn't want to be unkind, but my sense is what Jarrett is suggesting: Mary was a dingbat.

Your explanation just doesn't work. For one thing, she said in her article the Newmans were ten feet away from her when they dove to cover their child. Uh, no. She had multiple opportunities to clarify that they had eaten lunch on the grassy knoll earlier and then walked down to Elm, but she didn't. In her 2015 interview, she said that while they were standing on Elm she looked at the grassy knoll and commented to her companions about the lax security. She said nothing about having been there herself. Mary was a dingbat.
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The 25 witnesses who said that JFK did not continue to wave after the [loud] first shot [sound] and reacted visibly [to it] were completely wrong and all imagined the same thing that did not happen.

Was JFK waving in Z-133, when Zapruder resumed filming after a 17-second pause?

Yes.

Was he waving to Mary Woodward and her three journalism colleagues at that point?

No. They were further down the street.

Was he still waving in Z-138?

Yes,

Was he still waving in Z-139?

No. His hand was still raised, but he was looking straight ahead.

Was he quickly turning his head to his left in Z-144?

Yes.

When does he start looking to his right again?

Z-158.

When does he start waving again?

By Z-173.

Can we see Woodward and her three colleagues in Z-173?

We can see most of Woodward's colleague, Maggie Brown. Woodward and her colleagues Aurelia Alonzo and Ann Donaldson are standing to Brown's left, just out of the frame.

Was JFK waving continuously from Z-173 to Z-204?

Yes.

Who was he waving to from Z-173 to Z-204?

He was waving to his acquaintance, Mary Woodward, and her three journalism colleagues.

When was JFK hit by the first bullet that hit him?

By Z-224, about five seconds after the backfire / firecracker-like missing-everything first-of-three shots (see above).

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
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Dr. Gary Aguilar gives his view of two shots striking JFK on 11.22, including one shot from the GK.

Aguilar is obviously intelligent, literate and informed on topic.

Interesting presentation, whether one agrees or not.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.


The issue I have is the first shot at Z313 they have from the knoll, but we know for a fact his head is pushed forward first before going backwards. They are using the acoustics evidence which is wrong.
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We know where she was standing  That is made completely clear in the 2015 interview. The issue is why she wrote on the day of the JFKA that she was sitting and eating lunch on the thinly populated grassy knoll. And not only made that absurd error but compounded it by describing the shots as coming from behind and to her right. Her hearing problem tap dance doesn't explain how she got her location and circumstances so completely wrong. And this was a reporter for a major newspaper, no less.

She was a very flighty lady from what I had seen of her in interviews. I don't understand the deal with her on TMWKK, it was nothing she hadn't said before.
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Not quite. I KNOW what happened. The only thing I want to think happened is what actually happened. If there were 12 gunmen shooting at JFK, that is what I would want to know happened. My only agenda is knowing the truth. And I do.

What puzzles me about the JFKA is why so many people have such a hard time figuring it out. It's really not that hard.
The formula appears to be this:

1. No one can agree on what the Z film actually shows.
2. Eyewitness and earwitness evidence is unreliable.
3. Ergo, whatever I want to think happened is what happened and you can't prove it didn't.

Isn't that about it?
The hard part is figuring out why all the witness evidence which establishes that:
1. Oswald brought his rifle to the TSBD,
2. Oswald had been on the sixth floor less than 30 minutes before the shots,
3. there were exactly three shots
4. the last shot struck JFK in the head
5. JBC was struck in the back on the second shot
6. before the last shot JFK was seen reacting to being hit
7. Oswald was seen in the 2nd floor lunch room within about 90 seconds after the shots
8. Oswald left the TSBD minutes later and got on a bus and was recognized by Mary Bledsoe seen wearing a brown shirt with a hole in the elbow
9. Oswald got off the bus, walked a bit and then took a taxi to his room on N. Bentley where his picked up his revolver.
10.Oswald left a few minutes later on foot.
11.Oswald was stopped by officer Tippit at 10th and Patton, shot the officer with the revolver, unloaded several shells and ran down a lane way.
12.Oswald entered the Texas Theatre without paying and was reported to police as a suspicious person.  13. Police arrested Oswald inside, he struggled with the arresting officer, said “Well, its all over now” and pulled his revolver out of his waistband.

is all perfectly accurate and reliable. But: the 25 witnesses who said that JFK did not continue to wave after the first shot noise and reacted visibly were completely wrong and all imagined the same thing that did not happen.
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LP--

I largely concur with your sentiments. In fact, many associated with the EF-JFKA have died off, and the remaining often reminisce about the 1960s, which is still the defining decade in all history, in their view.

Like Larry Hancock, I conclude the WC and FBI generally followed President LBJ's instructions that nothing be found out about the JFKA that could trigger a nuke war. That is to say, no leads back to Havana or Moscow.

That may seem farfetched today, but in 1962 the US very nearly went to a nuke war with Russia over Cuba. LBJ, like everybody else, lived with the daily specter of A-bombs from the sky in October 1962 (as did myself).

Due to my read of the Z-film, I contend that the cadence of shots cannot be explained by a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.

I suspect LHO was the TSBD shooter, but there had to be another shooter too.

The conspiracy could be that, only two people.

LHO was dead with 48 hours, and his confederate---who knows?

If LHO's confederate was waxed by G2-DGI, dead men tell no tales. And the people waxing the second gunsel did not know why they perped the deed, or they were misinformed.

Indeed, G2-DGI'ers may have suspected one of their assets went rogue and worked with LHO, and so they then waxed that asset, based on a reasonable suspicion. 

One sad aspect of this: Moscow and IRGC $ has warped JFKA narratives, as understood by many.

If you have credible evidence that Oswald had one or more confederates, please provide that. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.
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