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Li'l tommy

Lovelady never moved from the steps after the shots.
Shelley went immediately across the street to the island, bumped into Gloria racing the other way and followed her back to the steps.
Lovelady is the man Gloria is talking to on the steps around 15 - 20 seconds after the shooting.
Both Shelley and Lovelady re-entered the front door and made their way immediately towards the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams, around 50 -  60 seconds after the shots.
Adams and Styles ran out the back door and seconds later Truly and Baker arrived at the area near the elevators where Baker observed the two white men hanging around.

After giving their same-day affidavits, both Shelley and Lovelady continually lied about their movements after the shooting in every subsequent testimony/interview they gave.
They did everything in their power to undermine Adams' witnessing of them towards the back of the 1st floor around 50 - 60 seconds after the shooting and they were helped to do this by the WC Sham.

In your new scenario you appear to have forgotten that Lovelady and Shelley went across to the little old island immediately after Gloria spoke to them on the steps. They stayed on the island for "a minute or two" according to Shelley, who also testified that he was stood on the island when he saw Baker and Truly heading into the building.
How does that affect your newly made up  BS: scenario?

   Plus, they keep wanting to muddy the water by claiming Molina is in front of the TSBD on the Darnell footage. Molina was wearing a full length coat that ran down to his wrists and knees. That full length coat DQ's Molina being on the Darnell Film segment.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 08:57:48 PM »
But Oswald could have fired earlier as the car passed under the tree as the car was never really obscured from view.


We don't really know that he wouldn't have fired through a few leaves.  But he could have tracked JFK while he passed under the tree branches and fired as soon as he was clear.  That would have been here:



when JFK had just passed the lamp post and had not yet reached the Thornton sign.  That is between z190 and z200.
The difference in downward angle is not much - about three degrees, which is within the error range of the estimates of the angles that JFK was leaning forward from the horizontal as he travelled down Elm St. based in the Croft photo and his subsequent movements.  [Note: The FBI measured downward angles at z222 to be 20°23' and at z207 as 21°50' a difference of 1°27' over 15 frames. Extrapolating that another 15 frames back to z192 the downward horizontal angle would be 23°17', a difference of 2°54'.] See: CE884, 17H902

Your LN 3 shot, 3 hits, theory at least makes more sense than one where the TSBD shooter (whomever  he was ) would in a sudden panic , stand up and attempt an early unaimed shot FAR off enough to miss the entire right SIDE of the limo( as per the photo of the LOS perspective from the 6th floor SN window that you previously posted).

At Z190, I do see that JFKs back and neck angle may be more vertical relative to the horizontal line of the limo, as he might have moved his upper back forward thus not leaning so much back in the seat as he was at Z224. But I’d like to see an experiment with dummies to test out the shot and see if it aligns better than the Z224 shot (2003) which by the FAILED, as the bullet exited well below the throat wound level.

That Z190 approx frame coincides (imo) with Harold Norman’s description seeing the president with his right hand up trying to brush his hair when Norman heard the 1st shot. Then the president slumps as Norman describes. jFK slump leftward is maybe enough to theoretically have allowed a Z270 shot that only hit JC.

I have criticized your theory because of the lack of reactions by SS agents and only the Willis girl slowing down. But since I’ve  given some logical reasons why Clint Hill may have missed hearing a 1st shot then I suppose it’s possible that Willis could be more sensitive to a 170 db rifle shot due to not having been desensitized to sudden loud noise of continuous motorcycle backfires as weed the SS agents.


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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

You sound desperate.

Do you agree that the person we're talking about is a black kid?

Do you agree that he's Amos Euins?

What kind of hat do you think Euins has in those other images?

A fedora?

A baseball cap?

A beanie with a propeller like you're probably wearing?

-- Tom

   Other than yourself, who believes that is Euins? Even Euins on "The Lost Bullet" completely rules this out.
   The interesting part of the Euins story is the photo showing him in the parking lot area with the string of train cars deep in the background. During his WC Testimony Euins hand drew his journey after the kill shot. At no point did he include being anywhere close to that parking lot area. But, your shallow JFK Assassination Foundation leaves you in the dark regarding this gaping hole in the Euins WC Testimony. What new?
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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Mark Tyler has Gloria Calvery running up Elm Street towards the TSBD, conferring for about ten seconds with a couple of people in the intersection of Elm and Elm Street Extension, and finally arriving at the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot.

He has Marrion Baker arriving at the steps 30 seconds after the final shot.

Just looking at the Darnell clip, we can see Calvery as she's standing on a lower step with her back to the camera, apparently talking with the man in front of her, but we don't know how long she's been there.

We can, however, see Officer Baker as he's running towards the steps and he's almost there.

Calvery and her three South West Publishing Company colleagues (one of whom can be seen running past Lovelady and Shelley / "Lovelady and Shelley" towards the TSBD entrance) weren't very far down Elm Street from the "island" or the steps while they were watching the motorcade.

I suspect that Calvery and her dressed-in-white colleague next to her on the steps could have gotten to the front steps in about 15 seconds if they had run non-stop, giving Calvery plenty of time to relay the bad news to Lovelady and Shelley, and for Lovelady and Shelley, in turn, to get as far down Elm Street Extension as we see them in Couch/Darnell.

Regarding Lovelady's and Shelley's allegedly waiting "a minute or two (or was it three?) for Calvery to get to them, do you really think that's realistic?

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html

-- Tom


Li'l tommy

Lovelady never moved from the steps after the shots.
Shelley went immediately across the street to the island, bumped into Gloria racing the other way and followed her back to the steps.
Lovelady is the man Gloria is talking to on the steps around 15 - 20 seconds after the shooting.
Both Shelley and Lovelady re-entered the front door and made their way immediately towards the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams, around 50 -  60 seconds after the shots.
Adams and Styles ran out the back door and seconds later Truly and Baker arrived at the area near the elevators where Baker observed the two white men hanging around.

After giving their same-day affidavits, both Shelley and Lovelady continually lied about their movements after the shooting in every subsequent testimony/interview they gave.
They did everything in their power to undermine Adams' witnessing of them towards the back of the 1st floor around 50 - 60 seconds after the shooting and they were helped to do this by the WC Sham.

In your new scenario you appear to have forgotten that Lovelady and Shelley went across to the little old island immediately after Gloria spoke to them on the steps. They stayed on the island for "a minute or two" according to Shelley, who also testified that he was stood on the island when he saw Baker and Truly heading into the building.
How does that affect your newly made up  BS: scenario?

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They didn't hide anything about Nagell. That is just plain nonsense.
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Provide a link to Larsen's photo analysis.
Provide proof that this analysis even exists.

   These Ed Forum alums provide absolutely No Proof of anything they claim. They got away with this crappola over there. NOT HERE!
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The majority of internet posters represent an impairing of conspiracy evidence rather than promotion...

Larsen's photo analysis was very good...It showed the distinct plaid pattern close up and matched it perfectly with its black and white stripes...So good, in fact, that when Larsen realized he had proven the timing for when Frazier was looking at Stanton he went back and deleted it with no protest from the members of The Education Forum...This, apparently, was OK with James Gordon's pinned "Site Behaviour" rules...Calling Larsen out on it was not...Even though that was Gordon's job...The new rules make it simpler: "Thread is now closed to replies"...

Provide a link to Larsen's photo analysis.
Provide proof that this analysis even exists.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 08:24:38 PM »
But Oswald could have fired earlier as the car passed under the tree as the car was never really obscured from view.

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We don't really know that he wouldn't have fired through a few leaves.  But he could have tracked JFK while he passed under the tree branches and fired as soon as he was clear.  That would have been here:

[image deleted]

when JFK had just passed the lamp post and had not yet reached the Thornton sign.  That is between z190 and z200.
The difference in downward angle is not much - about three degrees, which is within the error range of the estimates of the angles that JFK was leaning forward from the horizontal as he travelled down Elm St. based in the Croft photo and his subsequent movements.  [Note: The FBI measured downward angles at z222 to be 20°23' and at z207 as 21°50' a difference of 1°27' over 15 frames. Extrapolating that another 15 frames back to z192 the downward horizontal angle would be 23°17', a difference of 2°54'.] See: CE884, 17H902.

If you'll scroll down to page 18, you see Oswald's view of the limo at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf
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