JFK Assassination Forum

Get out of that bubble and deeply inhale some fresh air. You are discrediting everything you claim by citing Jack Smith.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Shouldn't you be back at your beloved Gas Chamber?

-- Tom

Dear FPL,

Former Special Counsel Jack Smith said under oath recently that then-President Trump was the person most responsible for the violent and deadly January 6 attack on the Capitol, including the risk to his own Vice President.

-- Tom

    Get out of that bubble and deeply inhale some fresh air. You are discrediting everything you claim by citing Jack Smith.

Dear FPL,

Former Special Counsel Jack Smith said under oath recently that then-President Trump was the person most responsible for the violent and deadly January 6 attack on the Capitol, including the risk to his own Vice President.

-- Tom

Jack Smith?  You didn't really just cite Jack Smith, did you? You need to find a new flavor of Kool Aid. Next you'll be solemnly citing Nancy P.'s opinion of the event.

I recall Ben and I unpopularly agreeing on the leftist Ed Forum at the time that Jan. 6th was essentially a Monty Python skit gone wrong due to a host of factors not having much of anything to do with your avator or his fellow revelers. That's still my position. I've seen scenes that look more like an insurrection at my local Walmart on a busy Saturday morning.

I can't say I've ever seen shoppers defecate in the offices of Walmart on a busy Saturday morning.
Or attack security officers with, makeshift weapons like flagpoles and fire extinguishers, or chemical sprays, stun guns, and knives.

Hey, if  Dan is wrong, and those 2 guys moving away in Darnell ARE Lovelady and Shelly then that makes it even MORE a mystery as to whom the 2 white men were that Baker  saw by the rear elevators. Why did not  Truly identify them to Baker as employees like Truly did when  Oswald was encountered in the 2nd floor lunchroom?

There is no mystery as to whom the two white men were that Baker saw by the rear elevators because these two men were identified by Vicki Adams.
Adams testifies that she hit the first floor about 60 seconds after the shooting and that she interacted with Shelley and Lovelady, who were in that area. Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive in the same area, where Baker sees the two white men, who can only be Shelley and Lovelady.
As Royell indicates, it is physically impossible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps, have the interaction with Lovelady and then for Shelley and Lovelady to be filmed well down the Elm Street Ext. around 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting. It is physically impossible.
Those who blindly accept Kamp's identification of Lovelady have to ignore this impossibility.
They have to ignore the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady which make no mention of a trip along the Elm Street Ext., hanging around the railroad yard then entering through the west door.
They have to ignore Lovelady's next two statements to the FBI, in which he insists both he and Shelley rushed to the area where the limo had sped away from.
And Shelley's statement about accompanying police officers to the railroad yard and staying there for 10 minutes.
And the testimony of both Shelley and Lovelady that they stayed on the front steps for at least three minutes before Gloria came up.
And that more than three minutes after the shooting they saw Baker and Truly still outside the TSBD building!
They have to ignore the Baker/Truly time trials, the Darnell footage and the testimony of Vicki Adams.

On top of everything they ignore, they then have to invent a scenario for which there is not a scrap of evidence - that both Shelley and Lovelady ran out to the "little, old island" immediately after the shooting where they both ran into Gloria!!

They do all this rather than question the validity of Bart Kamp's highly dubious 'Lovelady' image.