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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 01:53:28 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 01:50:56 AM
Why the hell would I?
ship

Because the "arrangement" below is queer, and an open minded person would be curious.
Oswald's shipmate from 18 years before is "shaken down" by Epstein and Hurt, advised by GHW Bush's lifelong friend, Bemiss,
They summered together in Kennebunkport, ME. GHW Bush is three months out of his job as DCI, the FBI claimed it could not find Bemiss!.


Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:04:51 AM
A perfect example of a CT focusing on trivialities instead of the evidence that tells us who shot JFK.

....Posts the opinion of a "reader" who does not even read the rest of the words posted in the two links I included in my post.

Three amigos from Rochester, Devine, Dryer, Macomber.

Macomber just happened to be the best man in Bush's sister's 1946 wedding to Alexander Ellis, and in Tom Devine's early 1970s wedding on Jupiter Island,



Devine and Dryer hold separate meetings with DeMohrenschildt and a Haitian banker on same day in late April, 1963,
just three weeks after DeMohrenschildt wrote that he had asked, "Lee, how did you miss?"

Bemis is described by Billy Joe Lord as the person Henry Hurt told Lord had advised Hurt on how to put pressure on Lord to cooperate with the Eostein/Hurt Reader's
Digest "inquiry". Bemis, "owner of a string of hotels," matches the description of Bush's longest friend, Gerry Bemiss, who just happens to be Hurt's wife's first cousin.

Yes, it was thoughtful of them, wasn't it? :

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=39eb56e0a03d1f43&sxsrf=APpeQnuY3DKlr7b_1Pib2y4PmzLFkSVxzQ:1784332265875&q=had+a+meeting+regarding+my+political+future%E2%80%94very+thoughtful+of+them.&udm=36&source=lnms&fbs=ABfTbFVyMZGZf1hfvX9uKjN_-G8cxpBkeIeqYwoCbfNVc4vKE0nzDtz46ks8VcXZ-FAj7roWouGYoa-8wJKyeh_fRvLGc5HvMtnq86ZTdu-hT_jvMWj88Ay957L9PwGeD-onUveIkecPSkl1ew4jViPtQV_7C42DWS_wvyN3PglWF-8A5h4Nf0l0U_JnxfnM37gvhQUhNcI8offn6I8qCIn-fQQnB6E1Ag&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiih_nW89qVAxWm5ckDHS7pA8sQ0pQJegQIVBAB&biw=1600&bih=732&dpr=1
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global 
Jeffrey A. Engel · 2011
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 311


Billy Joe Lord, excerpt from his 1977 letter to President Carter,

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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145503&relPageId=135&search=beamis_and%20hotels
2. FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Additional Releases, Part 3 of 3, pg 135
Found in: FBI JFK Assassination File (62-109060)
Beamis (?)
, chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia and owner of "a string of hotels" in that state, for help in persuading me to tell what I know about Oswald

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FitzGerald_Bemiss
...born on October 2, 1922, in Richmond, Virginia to Samuel Merrifield Bemiss and Dorothy FitzGerald Bemiss...
...was a conservative Democrat who initially was part of the Byrd Organization, but later joined the Republican Party in the 1950s when many Southern Democrats dissatisfied with the policies of desegregation enacted during the administration of Democratic President Harry Truman left the party. While serving part-time in the General Assembly as discussed below, Bemiss was vice-president of FitzGerald and Company (a family business), but ultimately resigned that legislative position because of his responsibilities as the president of Virginia Skyline Co. (another family business, that operated concessions along Skyline Drive through Shenandoah National Park and the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia)
.....
.....and President George H. W. Bush (a personal friend since childhood) appointed him Vice Chairman of the Board of the United States Naval Academy.[6][7]...

Langbourne Meade Williams Sr. -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne_meade-williams
Children
Langbourne Meade Williams Jr.  - JOCK WHITNEY FINANCED LANGBOURNE JR'S BUYOUT OF FREEPORT SULPHUR
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88905107/langbourne_meade-williams
George Dandridge Williams HENRY HURT'S WIFE'S FATHER
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88953152/george_dandridge-williams

Siblings
Cyane Dandridge Williams Bemiss - GRANDMOTHER OF GERRY BEMISS WHO "ADVISED" HENRY HURT, per 1977 letter by Billy Joe Lord
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88850510/cyane_dandridge-bemiss
SON -
Samuel Merrifield Bemiss - FATHER OF FITZGERALD Jerry BEMISS
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/89080540/samuel_merrifield-bemiss
SON -
FitzGerald Bemiss
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65388323/fitzgerald-bemiss

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:50:56 AM »
Quote from: Tom Scully on Today at 12:46:25 AM
....Posts the opinion of a "reader" who does not even read the rest of the words posted in the two links I included in my post.


Why the hell would I?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:46:36 AM »
TG-

All that is pretty thin gruel. I have corresponded with Russell in the past.

deM. as a KGB handler of LHO actually fits into my suspicion that LHO was a de facto G2-DGI asset.

Have you a CT that deM. was an active KGB asset in 1963?

What Petty established is that deM. could have been an Iron Curtain asset in the immediate postwar period...but by the 1960s?

deM. is in interesting fellow. Was actually friends with Jackie K's family earlier on.

Was Clay Shaw a CIA asset in 1963 because he worked for the CIA in the 1950s?

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:30:17 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:03:34 AM
George DeMohrenschildt was "very likely" or just possibly a KGB asset?

According to Richard Russell in The Man Who Knew Too Much, Petty thought DeMohrenschildt fit the bill because, like a particular "Illegal" in the VENONA decrypts:

1. He was born "maybe in Poland" (300 miles from the Polish border in Byelorussia).

2. He emigrated to the U.S. before WW II (1938).

3. He lived in Mexico during WW II. (With his girlfriend, Lilia Pardo Larin.)

4. He was a wheeler-dealer. (sugar speculator, oil speculator, real estate salesman, marketer of his own artwork, etc.)


Take it up with Dick Russell if you want to.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:03:34 AM »
TG-

deM. was "very likely" or just possibly a KGB asset?

Can you cite evidence that Petty determined DeM. was, in the 1960s, "very likely" a KGB asset?

Wasn't that more of a suspicion?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:57:57 AM »
Quote from: Tom Scully on Today at 12:46:25 AM
[...]

In the early 1970s, CIA Counterintelligence analyst Clare Edward Petty, determined, by reading some WW II VENONA decrypts, that George DeMohrenschildt was very likely a long-term KGB "illegal."
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 12:46:25 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:04:51 AM
A perfect example of a CT focusing on trivialities instead of the evidence that tells us who shot JFK.

Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:04:51 AM
A perfect example of a CT focusing on trivialities instead of the evidence that tells us who shot JFK.

....Posts the opinion of a "reader" who does not even read the rest of the words posted in the two links I included in my post.

Three amigos from Rochester, Devine, Dryer, Macomber.

Macomber just happened to be the best man in Bush's sister's 1946 wedding to Alexander Ellis, and in Tom Devine's early 1970s wedding on Jupiter Island,



Devine and Dryer hold separate meetings with DeMohrenschildt and a Haitian banker on same day in late April, 1963,
just three weeks after DeMohrenschildt wrote that he had asked, "Lee, how did you miss?"

Bemis is described by Billy Joe Lord as the person Henry Hurt told Lord had advised Hurt on how to put pressure on Lord to cooperate with the Eostein/Hurt Reader's
Digest "inquiry". Bemis, "owner of a string of hotels," matches the description of Bush's longest friend, Gerry Bemiss, who just happens to be Hurt's wife's first cousin.

Yes, it was thoughtful of them, wasn't it? :

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=39eb56e0a03d1f43&sxsrf=APpeQnuY3DKlr7b_1Pib2y4PmzLFkSVxzQ:1784332265875&q=had+a+meeting+regarding+my+political+future%E2%80%94very+thoughtful+of+them.&udm=36&source=lnms&fbs=ABfTbFVyMZGZf1hfvX9uKjN_-G8cxpBkeIeqYwoCbfNVc4vKE0nzDtz46ks8VcXZ-FAj7roWouGYoa-8wJKyeh_fRvLGc5HvMtnq86ZTdu-hT_jvMWj88Ay957L9PwGeD-onUveIkecPSkl1ew4jViPtQV_7C42DWS_wvyN3PglWF-8A5h4Nf0l0U_JnxfnM37gvhQUhNcI8offn6I8qCIn-fQQnB6E1Ag&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiih_nW89qVAxWm5ckDHS7pA8sQ0pQJegQIVBAB&biw=1600&bih=732&dpr=1
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global 
Jeffrey A. Engel · 2011
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 311


Billy Joe Lord, excerpt from his 1977 letter to President Carter,

Quote
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145503&relPageId=135&search=beamis_and%20hotels
2. FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Additional Releases, Part 3 of 3, pg 135
Found in: FBI JFK Assassination File (62-109060)
Beamis (?)
, chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia and owner of "a string of hotels" in that state, for help in persuading me to tell what I know about Oswald
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: At this point, does it really matter who killed JFK?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:31:46 AM »
Quote from: Tom Scully on Yesterday at 10:59:17 PM
I can't give you a qualified answer.


Okay then, how about an unqualified answer?
 
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I've read "Pete" Bagley's Wikipedia biography and four others that have your prints all over them!

Care to try to refute any of them?

Caveat: The articles on Bagley and Solie are the only ones I wrote. To see the edits I made in the others, click on "View History" and look for my username --"Was Kisevalter Nash?"

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Why did CIA officer David E. Murphy's son, Vincent, change his last name to Mor?

Beats the heck out of me, Tom-Tom. The WaPo obituary says Vincent was one of the four children he had with his first of three wives, White Russia emigre Maria Escovy.

Maybe they adopted him, or maybe Maria had him before she married Murphy?

Maybe he found out who his real father was and changed his name to his?

Maybe his surname was always "Mor"?

Either that, or maybe Jimmy DiEugenio or someone convinced him that Murphy was the evil, evil, evil mastermind of the JFK assassination, and he changed his name to "Mor" to disassociate himself from that evil, evil man, Murphy!

By the way, did you know that on 29 June 1964, father-figure-requiring James Angleton told KGB true defector Anatoly Golitsyn -- whom Angleton and Murphy were trying to get to resume working with (probable mole) Bruce Solie -- and Murphy and Raymond Rocca (gasp . . .whose daughter married Bagley's son!!!!!) that "Bruce's office is the only one that I'm not afraid is penetrated by the KGB"?

LOL!

The WaPo obituary of Murphy says Yuri Nosenko was "treated harshly."

Question: Do you think false-defector-in-place-in-Geneva-in-June-1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964, Major I mean Lt. Col. I mean Captain Yuri Nosenko was tortured by evil, evil Murphy, evil, evil Bagley, and their evil, evil "goons"?


PS Regarding your first link, this is what I get:

Hmmm… can't reach this page

It looks like the webpage at https://archive.is/cHfpm#selection-1367.139-1367.150 might be having issues, or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.

ERR_ADDRESS_INVALID
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:04:51 AM »
Quote from: Tom Scully on Yesterday at 11:41:42 PM
Yes, it is a small world. How come the CIA named it's building after a guy who worked for them for only one calender year?

A perfect example of a CT focusing on trivialities instead of the evidence that tells us who shot JFK.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 11:41:42 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:25:04 PM
That's the problem. You people assume there was a conspiracy and unable to find evidence of such, you go on all these snipe hunts in hopes of finding such evidence. If you would just take a straight forward look at the evidence and follow it to a logical conclusion, you would realize the reason there is no evidence of a conspiracy is because there was no conspiracy. But that's not the answer you people want so you go off on all these tangents that lead nowhere. 62 years of futility hasn't dissuaded you folks from your ill-conceived beliefs.

Yes, it is a small world. How come the CIA named it's building after a guy who worked for them for only one calender year?

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https://www.deseret.com/1989/6/9/18810648/retired-spooks-find-their-nooks-at-kennebunk/
RETIRED `SPOOKS' FIND THEIR NOOKS AT KENNEBUNK - Deseret News
Maine winters notwithstanding, spies who come in from the cold seem drawn to the Kennebunk. This coastal town and neighboring Kennebunkport are home to a cluster of former intelligence operatives, analysts and administrators who have chosen the area as a good place to retire or to build a second

Dec. 6 specially decorated Bush '41 Train engine, was Billy Joe Lord on board?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1439.0.html

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2284.msg68148.html#msg68148
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