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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Reasonable Doubts?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 01:28:03 AM »
Here is the Knott work: https://knottlab.com/cases/knott-lab-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/

I haven't seen any sort of detailed written report, probably because it was privately commissioned by Orr.

Larry Schnapf said Knott focused only on the viability of the SBT, not on possible alternative trajectories.

He also said Orr's current study takes into account details at the level of the softness of the seats, the fact that Elm has been repaved three times, etc.

As Larry noted, even 1/4" one way or the other is critical to this kind of reconstruction - which is why, it seems to me, the debate will never end; no one will ever achieve that level of precision.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Larry Hancock Tips His Hat To KGB Suspects
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 01:10:35 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 12:52:15 AM
Who were LHO's most likely confederates?

It doesn't really fit any very popular or sexy conspiracy theory, but realistically his most likely confederate would have been Oswald Junior - some equally pro-Castro character he had met in the course of his travels and activities and to whom he could turn on or about 11-20 and say, "I'm gonna do it - are you with me?"

You keep mentioning Woolsey. We've gone down that road before, but I would bet Woolsey knew less about Oswald and the JFKA than you, I or most people on this forum.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Larry Hancock Tips His Hat To KGB Suspects
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:07:06 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:05:32 AM
TG-

We have different takes on the timing of shots during the JFKA.

I have reasonable doubts about the WC narrative, and your narrative.

My narrative is what it is, and I concede I am a layman and amateur. Just IMHO.


You have your doubts, all right, but they aren't reasonable.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Larry Hancock Tips His Hat To KGB Suspects
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:05:32 AM »
TG-

We have different takes on the timing of shots during the JFKA.

I have reasonable doubts about the WC narrative, and your narrative.

My narrative is what it is, and I concede I am a layman and amateur. Just IMHO.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:04:51 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:02:39 AM
Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?

Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.

Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.

Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."

Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.

Charlie Kirk was a pure as the driven snow.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:02:39 AM »
Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?

Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.

Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.

Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."

Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Larry Hancock Tips His Hat To KGB Suspects
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:01:16 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 12:52:15 AM
Who were LHO's most likely confederates?

What makes you think Oswald needed confederates?

"Flash-bang in the bushes?"

"JBC was hit 30 seconds after JFK"?

"JBC's hand couldn't have clamped onto his hat in a paralyzed state"?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Larry Hancock Tips His Hat To KGB Suspects
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 12:52:15 AM »
LP-

Sure, official KGB and Khruschev may not have been involved in the JFKA (although James Woolsey, a former CIA director, thinks they were. You do not. Woolsey has street cred up the wazoo.)

Setting aside Woolsey...there are always lower-level factions at work in any large organization.

I lean more to G2 involvement.

Obviously, LHO was capable of the JFKA---see LNT theorizing, much of which holds water.

So why wouldn't G2'ers graft LHO into an ad hoc, informal JFKA plan?

They got lucky. JFK was coming to Dallas, to ride in a motorcade in front of LHO's perch.

At bottom, there is no way a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle got a shot off at Z-295, and then one at Z-313. Let alone the GK smoke-and-bang show.

Who were LHO's most likely confederates?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Dr. E. Forrest Chapman
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 12:44:35 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:54:55 PM
How is that a "forked tongue". It is a simple recognition of a simple fact that witnesses sometimes get things right and sometimes they get things wrong. It's not an all or nothing proposition.

Call it the "Witness Unreliability Clause". I agree it's real.
 :) but man, you abuse it all day long. I'll just leave it at that.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Reasonable Doubts?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 12:04:27 AM »
I will admit that these sorts of discussions make my eyes glaze over. FWIW, Orr was not satisfied with the Knott Lab effort. Larry Schnapf said at the Ed Forum in January that an improved analysis by "Orr's team" would be ready in a month and provided to the Luna Committee. I've seen nothing further on that. Here is what Larry said in January:

John Orr's team is finalizing an improved 3D animation which is superior to the version that Knott Labs used. It will be ready by the end of the month and will be shown to representative Luna.

The criticisms of the knott Lab work product are not meritorious. The trajectory analysis was based on the positions of JBC and JFK at two precise moments in time. It is far more accurate than Myers' cartoon which misrpresented the spatial positioning of the bodies,  the relative sizes of the two men as well as the limo configuraiton. Myers' cartoon was designed to support the SBT. It is not an objective analysis. Orr's 3D model is the most accurate recreation to date.

Orr's model uses modern photogrammtery to incorporate all extent photos, precise measurements of the limo and used drone technology to scan DP even taking into account the roadway was paved several times since the assassination. John Orr has used his model test the SBT but the model can be used to test ANY trajectory. Someone just has to be willing to pay for the work to develop the trajectory. the model has all the necessary data.

Also FWIW, some of the photos on this thread are from this Texas Investigates site, which has superb photos of JBC's clothing: https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

EDIT: Larry discusses the status of Orr's work on this active thread at the Ed Forum: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32088-lone-nut-proponents-failure-to-reckon-with-alvarez-fraud/page/25/#comment-595616

Larry says he is frustrated that the work is taking so long and that they missed the Luna deadline.
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