JFK Assassination Forum

It's not a question of believing information from Moscow (or anywhere else). It's whether that information can be corroborated by/with other evidence.

Dear Steve M.,

The problem with Nosenko's status as a true defector is that all of the "corroborating" sources are themselves suspect -- take Nosenko-protecting Bruce Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and Russia-born George Kisevalter, for example, and the espionage writers they influenced (Tom Mangold in McCoy's case, David Wise and Clarence Ashley in Kisevalter's case) -- which suggests that Anatoliy Golitsyn was correct to try to warn the CIA and the FBI about a 1959-on Sun Tzu-based "Master Plan" by which the KGB was waging disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies in order to get us to defeat ourselves.

And I give you President Donald John Trump.

The sad thing for JFKA students isn't that Nosenko possibly spread disinformation about Lee Harvey Oswald, but that he was hiding moles in the CIA and their enabling triple agents in the FBI (Polyakov in 1962, Kulak from 1962 to 1977, Kochnov from 1965 to 1975, Orekhov from 1966 to 1970, etc.)

Instead of looking for confirming narratives from a suspect source (the KGB), look for internal contradictions and implausible overlappings.

And look for incriminating events, like Nosenko's asking Bagley and Kisevalter about "Zepp" in June 1962, his showing Bagley and Kisevalter in February 1964 a KGB travel document signed by General Gribanov which stipulated that he was now a Lieutenant Colonel (Nosenko later confessed that he was only a Captain), and his telling Bagley and Kisevalter in Geneva in February 1964 not only that he had been Oswald's case officer in Moscow, but that . . . gasp . . . he'd just received a "Return to Mosco Immediately" telegram from KGB headquarters (he hadn't).

LOL!

-- Tom

Background:

KGB Major I mean Lt. Col. I mean Captain Yuri Nosenko was a false-defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, and a false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 who claimed to have read Oswald's KGB file three or four times in Moscow and therefore -- to J. Edgar Hoover's great relief -- knew for a FACT that the world-class humanitarian organization had had absolutely nothing to do with the "abnormal" former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator during the two-and-one-half years he lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk!!!

The following is what Steve M.'s beloved The Sword and the Shield by probable mole Christopher Andrew and (former KGB archivist!!!) Vasily Mitrokhin had to say about poor, poor, misunderstood-and-tortured(!!!) Nosenko and another false defector by the name of Aleksandr Cherepanov (who had been a KGB provocateur in Yugoslavia* five years earlier -- see below).

Though the CIA was not responsible for Cherepanov’s betrayal*, it was shortly to make another, even more serious error. In February 1964 Yuri Ivanovich Nosenko, a KGB officer serving on the Soviet disarmament delegation in Geneva, who had begun working for the Agency in June 1962  [as a “don’t contact me in Moscow” defector-in-place who contradicted everything recent true defector Anatoliy Golitsyn had told the CIA, even though Nosenko and Golitsyn worked in different parts of the highly compartmentalized KGB], defected to the United States. Nosenko’s CIA debriefers, however, wrongly concluded that he was a KGB plant.[57] Unaware of the CIA’s horrendous misjudgment, the Centre regarded Nosenko’s defection as a serious setback. Its damage assessment began with the usual character assassination, claiming that Nosenko, had been infected — like Golitsyn — with the “virus of careerism:” Nosenko, who lusted for power, did not hide his ambitions and obtained a high position. The leadership of Department 1 at Headquarters will not forget Nosenko’s hysterical reaction when he was informed of their plans to promote him from deputy chief to chief of section. “The chief of the directorate has promised that I will replace the head of the department,” he shouted shamelessly. The characteristics of careerism were evident in many curious facets of his life. When he became the deputy chief of another department, Nosenko was ashamed of his rank as a KGB captain [he told Bagley in June 1962 that he was a Major, he showed Bagley and (probable mole) Kisevalter in late January 1964 a travel document -- signed by his boss, General Gribanov, that he was a Lieutenant Colonel and eventually “confessed” to his interrogators that he was a Captain], which was below that normally associated with his position. He would return unsigned any documents with “Captain” on them and would only sign documents on which his perceptive subordinates had not indicated his rank.[58]

https://ia904501.us.archive.org/10/items/TheSwordAndTheShield-TheMitrokhinArchiveAndTheSecretHistoryOfTheKGB/The%20Sword%20and%20the%20Shield%20-%20The%20Mitrokhin%20Archive%20and%20the%20Secret%20History%20of%20the%20KGB.pdf


My comments:

*In early November 1963, "former" KGB officer Aleksandr Cherepanov gave a bundle of old KGB documents, half of which reinforced the idea that GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov had been uncovered in late 1959 due to poor CIA tradecraft and superior KGB surveillance rather than betrayed by a mole in the CIA in early 1957, to the American Embassy in Moscow. The American Charge d’ Affairs, suspecting a provocation, had the documents returned to the Soviets the next day – ergo “the betrayal” – but not before the CIA Chief of Station, Paul Garbler, had the presence of mind to photograph them. FWIW, under diplomatic cover in Yugoslavia in 1958, Cherepanov had led a British intelligence officer to think he was contemplating defection and might cooperate secretly. His behavior finally persuaded the British that he was provoking them on behalf of the KGB and they backed off — whereupon Cherepanov abruptly disappeared from the scene.

*In early 1964, Kremlin-loyal triple-agent Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover’s shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) at the FBI’s NYC field office) “confirmed” that Nosenko had recently become a Lieutenant Colonel but later was forced to retract that statement when Nosenko confessed to his interrogators that he’d lied about his rank.

I was being facetious; however, I wouldn't put it past him, given who he is and that he was trapped like a rat, facing significant jail time. At this point, I am convinced that the liar-in-chief is capable of anything to avoid prison. It will be entertaining to watch him squirm until that time comes—hopefully sooner rather than later. Then what will the deplorables do? Slither back under their rocks, I assume.

   "Deplorables"? You are referring to The MAJORITY.

  So you believe that Trump staged that assassination attempt on his own life? Clearly the TDS is doing the talking there.

I was being facetious; however, I wouldn't put it past him, given who he is and that he was trapped like a rat, facing significant jail time. At this point, I am convinced that the liar-in-chief is capable of anything to avoid prison. It will be entertaining to watch him squirm until that time comes—hopefully sooner rather than later. Then what will the deplorables do? Slither back under their rocks, I assume.

I met Horne in Dealey Plaza on the anniversary last year (11/22/2024) and showed him the photos and films. That is the only time I've ever spoken with him. I actually have an audio recording I made of me showing him them. That's not something I'd be willing to post but if you'd like to hear it, you can email me. thejfktheorist@gmail.com.

Thanks Alex. Is it then accurate to say that you do not share Doug Horne's beliefs involving double autopsies, fake photos and all the associated plotting that would have gone into engineering such a massive conspiracy?