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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Summary of Some of the Major Problems with the JFK Medical Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:37:18 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 06:24:31 PM
Humm, a few weeks ago, your line was that you defer to the HSCA FPP and their "UNANIMOUS" findings. Then, confronted with some of the FPP's findings that wreak havoc on your version of the shooting, your next line was "I don't have to explain the medical evidence." Nah, of course not, because that would require you to at least know the basics about the medical evidence, which you clearly do not. And so now, your new line is "Nobody cares," i.e., that you don't care, which is perhaps your most honest line yet.

I was speaking specifically about their finding that JFK was shot twice from behind. But you have a long history of taking people's statements out of context and not quoting them accurately. When someone quotes a single word or phrase out of context, as you have here, it's a safe bet they are trying to misrepresent what a person actually said......as you have here.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK Hands Never Go To-Or Toward-His Throat
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:33:46 PM »
This is one of the reasons I dismiss Nellie Connally's account of the assassination. In her version, JFK clutched his throat. I'll cut her some slack. Under the circumstances, it's perfectly understandable why she would be so bewildered about what was happening inside the car.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:30:40 PM »
Quote from: Richard Smith on Yesterday at 06:11:29 PM
At least they are still carrying it out.  Many states with the death penalty refuse to do so allowing the subjective opposition of certain politicians to override the law, judicial system, and will of the citizens of their state.   There once might have been a valid concern on the basis of some innocent person being executed but with DNA and other advances it is now possible to prove beyond any doubt the involvement of a specific individual in many such crimes.  The endless efforts to thwart the death penalty even in the most heinous crimes against women and children is just another example of misplaced liberalism.  The same people have little concern for American citizens when they are murdered or assaulted by illegal aliens.   In many cases, they won't even acknowledge the immigration status of the criminal.

That is the case in my home state of Ohio. Governor Mike DeWine. a long time RINO, has created a moratorium on executions. He is on record as opposing the death penalty. There are currently 116 prisoners on death row. Vivek Ramaswamy, the favorite to win the governorship this fall, has said he will unblock the back log of death sentences. I doubt he will get the chance. I'm betting DeWine will commute all of those death sentences on his way out the door. Governors in other states have done that in the past and I fully expect DeWine to follow suit.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Summary of Some of the Major Problems with the JFK Medical Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 06:24:31 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:00:01 PM
As Donald Trump recently said to his Energy Secretary Chris Wright, "Nobody cares".

Humm, a few weeks ago, your line was that you defer to the HSCA FPP and their "UNANIMOUS" findings. Then, confronted with some of the FPP's findings that wreak havoc on your version of the shooting, your next line was "I don't have to explain the medical evidence." Nah, of course not, because that would require you to at least know the basics about the medical evidence, which you clearly do not. And so now, your new line is "Nobody cares," i.e., that you don't care, which is perhaps your most honest line yet.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Richard Smith on Yesterday at 06:22:13 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on June 25, 2026, 10:03:29 PM
The logical fallacies are literally mind boggling.

Make you case and give me one example of a logical fallacy

I did.  If you entertain the possibility that Oswald did not kill Tippit and that the investigators were attempting to frame him for this crime as you do, then that is impossible to square with the investigators suppressing an Oswald wallet found at the Tippit murder scene as you also suggest happened.  The discovery of such a wallet at the murder scene is highly incriminating to its owner.  Your fantasy involves a wallet being suppressed because there would then be two Oswald wallets in evidence.  If the investigators have the ability to suppress one such wallet, then it's not going to be the one left at the crime scene because that links Oswald directly to the crime - either because he committed it or it was planted for that very purpose.  Either way no one has any incentive to suppress that wallet. If they need to put something in it from Oswald's arrest wallet or switch the wallets, they just do so because they control the evidence but there would no logical reason abandon the critical fact that it was left at the crime scene.  Your claims are not only baseless but contradictory in purpose with the investigators working against their own interest either in solving the crime or framing Oswald for that crime. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:20:50 PM »
I accidentally deleted my original post so I am reposting it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-s-oldest-executed-inmate-s-last-words-revealed/ar-AA26yKl3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=6a3e6e2a27aa4507b21395079cd03e5e&ei=38

Florida just executed the oldest inmate to receive the death penalty. He was 74. Same age as me. The joke is he committed his murder in 1992. 25-30 years has become the norm for death penalty cases to exhaust appeals which is absurd. Another 74 year old man is scheduled to be executed later this year. When somebody receives the death penalty, they are more likely to die of hardening of the arteries before their sentence is carried out.

In the infamous In Cold Blood murder of the Clutter family in 1959 Dick Hickock and Perry Smith were hanged 5 1/2 years after their heinous act. It was never brought out in either the book or the movie but they were also the prime suspects in the slaughter of another family of four in Florida while they were on the lam from the Clutter murders. They were known to be in the area when the murders took place. It seems to me 5 1/2 years is a reasonable length of time to hear all appeals. Once that time period runs out, the only grounds for appeal that should be allowed is if compelling evidence is presented that the condemned person was innocent of the crime. If that can't be done, it's time to say, "Sorry about your bad luck. Adios".

I also think doing away with lethal injections would be a good step. I don't know why we ever did away with hanging. It worked quite well.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did G-2 Encourage LHO to Perp the JFKA?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:16:58 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 06:41:00 AM
JC--

Say you lived in a town somewhere, and Mr. Smith was murdered.

The mayor says to the police chief, "Whatever you do, don't look into Mr. Jones. He is too important to the prosperity of the town."

Indeed, years later we would have little evidence that Mr. Jones murdered Mr. Smith.

That is what happened to the WC/FBI. They were told not to follow leads in Havana, and people lost their jobs for doing so.

Gus Russo is a serious JFKA scholar and no leftie. He says much what I say: There was no investigation into LHO connections to Havana.

A rather humorous tale. The CTs have been looking for evidence that Mr. Jones was complicit in the assassination and have come up empty. Why would anyone believe Mr. Jones had anything to do with it. If we are going to simply assume Mr. Jones was involved, why stop there. Why not accuse, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Robinson, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Michaels, or Mr. Thomas. Oh, wait. The CTs have already done that. Never mind.

I was ready to assume Russo was just another CT huckster separating gullible CTs from their money but I decided to look into it. According to Wikipedia, Oswald acted on his own in retribution of JFK's policies toward Cuba. While nobody knows why Oswald decided to kill JFK, that seems as good an explanation as any. It wouldn't require Oswald to know anything that wasn't public knowledge. JFK did sign the trade embargo with Cuba, but only after Pierre Sallinger had scored 1200 Cuban Petite Upmann cigars.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Richard Smith on Yesterday at 06:11:29 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:45:05 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-s-oldest-executed-inmate-s-last-words-revealed/ar-AA26yKl3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=6a3e6e2a27aa4507b21395079cd03e5e&ei=38

Florida just executed the oldest inmate to receive the death penalty. He was 74. Same age as me. The joke is he committed his murder in 1992. 25-30 years has become the norm for death penalty cases to exhaust appeals which is absurd. Another 74 year old man is scheduled to be executed later this year. When somebody receives the death penalty, they are more likely to die of hardening of the arteries before their sentence is carried out.

In the infamous In Cold Blood murder of the Clutter family in 1959 Dick Hickock and Perry Smith were hanged 5 1/2 years after their heinous act. It was never brought out in either the book or the movie but they were also the prime suspects in the slaughter of another family of four in Florida while they were on the lam from the Clutter murders. They were know to be in the area when the murders took place. It seems to me 5 1/2 years is a reasonable length of time to hear all appeals. Once that time period runs out, the only grounds for appeal that should be allowed is if compelling evidence is presented that the condemned person was innocent of the crime. If that can't be done, it's time to say, "Sorry about your bad luck. Adios". 

I also think doing away with lethal injections would be a good step. I don't know why we ever did away with hanging. It worked quite well.

At least they are still carrying it out.  Many states with the death penalty refuse to do so allowing the subjective opposition of certain politicians to override the law, judicial system, and will of the citizens of their state.   There once might have been a valid concern on the basis of some innocent person being executed but with DNA and other advances it is now possible to prove beyond any doubt the involvement of a specific individual in many such crimes.  The endless efforts to thwart the death penalty even in the most heinous crimes against women and children is just another example of misplaced liberalism.  The same people have little concern for American citizens when they are murdered or assaulted by illegal aliens.   In many cases, they won't even acknowledge the immigration status of the criminal. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK Hands During The Assassination
« Last post by Steve Barber on Yesterday at 06:10:54 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 03:28:20 PM
This really doesn't make much of a difference either way, but I agree that this is what the film shows. For a time, his hands are moving toward and then reach the level of his throat, but then they continue to move upward and end up at his mouth.

It makes a great deal of difference in my opinion.  People have been misinterpreting what President Kennedy is doing when he's struck by the first shot for years, and not only with the first bullet to strike him, but the fatal shot as well.  This is not something people should be doing when describing what happens in the film. 


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It is not inaccurate to say that at first his hands are moving toward the level of his throat, but it is inaccurate to say that he grabs or clutches his throat.

I believe it is inaccurate to say that his hands are moving toward the level of his throat, to a great degree. They quickly pass his throat on the way to where they stopped-but there is absolutely no hesitation or indication of JFK's hands going anywhere but where they ended up.  The film clearly shows this when played at regular speed. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Summary of Some of the Major Problems with the JFK Medical Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:00:01 PM »
As Donald Trump recently said to his Energy Secretary Chris Wright, "Nobody cares".
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