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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 02:29:10 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 02:12:47 AM
LOL!

Do you think JFK or Jackie punched JBC in the back right when he heard a shot, as if to say, "How you doin', old boy?"
???. Did you press “Post” accidentally??
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:12:47 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on Today at 01:56:57 AM
Not only was it not a sharp searing pain, he said there was no pain at all. Impact is not pain. Connally said he felt no pain until he reached Parkland. You really should read his testimony (4 H 145)

When he arrived at Parkland he tried get up and then experienced pain.  It was excruciating pain and he collapsed.

That is why it is good to actually read the sources and not just rely on AI.

Nellie said he recoiled (4 H 147):

One might expect to see sudden fairly uniform movement of the body from such an impact - movement that is not associated with any muscle movement.

Where does that occur?

LOL!

Do you think JFK or Jackie punched JBC in the back right when he heard a shot, as if to say, "How you doin', old boy?"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Interview With JFK Assassination Witness Mary Lea Williams In Dealey Plaza
« Last post by Robin Unger on Today at 02:12:10 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 02:08:42 AM
Dear Robin,

I guess you didn't notice that I'd put "scare quotes" around the number 124.

My writing "Z-124" in quotation marks signifies where the limo would have been in Zapruder if he hadn't paused filming for 17 seconds between Z-132 and Z-133.

If you think it will help you to understand, in the future I'll write "hypothetical Z-124" instead of "'Z-124'".

-- Tom


OK Tom.

Thanks for the Clarification.

So you were talking "hypothetically"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum: Clean Towel Service Zionists Waxed JFK!
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:11:45 AM »
You should post your series on videos herein, one at a time.

Under the protective aegis of William Neidernut, you did so at (dis) Education Forum, and received boners from Ron Bulman and Niedernut. That is like selling Hitler memorabilia to Nazis---a soft crowd.

Do you really believe pastor-Klansman Roy Davis, DPD'er JD Tippit, and Christian activist Theodore Jackman are the true assassins of JFK?

BTW, the first words out of your video moderator James Day's mouth, with momentous music playing in the background, are discussions about Joseph Milteer, the Haganah (the primary Zionist paramilitary organization in British Mandate Palestine from 1920 to 1948) the Clean Service Towel truck parked near the JFK motorcade route...and the "eye-popping" coincidence that LHO's three-month long address in Ft. Worth was only a half mile from Clean Towel Service's industrial HQ in Ft. Worth.

Eye-popping!

You should link up with and draw connections between your crackpot theories and Leslie Sharp's Lafitte notebook, the 1963 datebook allegedly kept by Jean Pierre Lafitte, a "deep-cover intelligence operative linked to the CIA and U.S. drug enforcement agencies," that explains the JFKA in detail.

Have you considered a video starring you and Sharp, and how your CT's mesh? That would be assassinationology on steroids!

Maybe Niedernut can work with you, and being in 9.11 somehow...the same organizations, ideologies and ethnic groups that perped the JFKA then later perped 9.11!

All true!







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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Interview With JFK Assassination Witness Mary Lea Williams In Dealey Plaza
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:08:42 AM »
Quote from: Robin Unger on Today at 01:59:37 AM
Quote: A few frames before Oswald's first (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124."

What is Oswald shooting at in Frame: Z-124 ?

Dear Robin,

I guess you didn't notice that I'd put "scare quotes" around Z-124.

My writing "Z-124" in quotation marks signifies where the limo would have been in Zapruder if he hadn't paused filming for 17 seconds between Z-132 and Z-133.

If you think it will help you to understand, in the future I'll write "hypothetical Z-124" instead of "'Z-124'".

Do you think that would help?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Interview With JFK Assassination Witness Mary Lea Williams In Dealey Plaza
« Last post by Robin Unger on Today at 01:59:37 AM »
Quote: A few frames before Oswald's first (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124."

What is Oswald shooting at in Frame: Z-124 ?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 01:56:57 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 12:48:33 AM
LOL!

Nice try,

He said it felt as though he'd been hit in the back with a fist.

…In his own accounts of the November 22, 1963, assassination in Dallas (including his autobiography and interviews), he described the impact of the bullet that struck him as feeling like a powerful blow to the back, such as being hit with a fist.

Key quotes include:

From his autobiography excerpt: “In the middle of [sic; about 1/8 of] my turn [back to his left to look over his left shoulder to see if JFK was okay after having tried to do so over his right shoulder, as we can see him trying to do in Z-177], I felt a thud, as if someone had pounded me on the back with a fist, a blow so hard I doubled over.” He noted it was not a sharp, searing pain but a heavy impact, after which he saw blood on his shirt and realized he’d been hit.
Not only was it not a sharp searing pain he said there was no pain at all.  Impact is not pain. Connally said he felt no pain until he reached Parkland. You really should read his testimony (4 H 145)



When he arrived at Parkland he tried get up and then experienced pain.  It was excruciating pain and hecollapsed.



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This description is frequently cited in discussions of the Warren Commission’s single-bullet theory, as Connally initially thought the first shot (which hit President Kennedy) had missed everyone, and he didn’t immediately realize he’d been wounded until feeling that impact (widely interpreted as the second shot). The Zapruder film timing and his reactions have been debated, but his wording about the “fist” sensation is consistent across his testimony and recollections.
I agree that he did not realize he was wounded and it wasn’t until the second shot impact that he realized he had been hit. But I didn’t think you agreed that he was wounded before the second shot.

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This comes directly from Connally’s own words, not secondhand reports.
Yes. That is why it is good to actually read the sources and not just rely on AI.

Nellie said he recoiled (4 H 147):



One might expect to see sudden fairly uniform movement of the body from such an impact - movement that is not associated with any muscle movement. Where does that occur?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Was Oswald a "dangle" in a planned-to-fail mole hunt run by a mole?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:36:22 AM »
TG-

"Not if Solie did the arranging with the OML and the RID, himself."---TG

Yes, but Bruce Solie had to talk to someone in OML and RID to arrange this, or possibly send a memo.

Who ever was that CIA employee in OML-RID, they would have known that well before the JFKA, that Bruce Solie had manipulating information flows, paper traffic regarding LHO.

Evidently, that OML-RID person never came forward, after the JFKA, to reveal that Solie (at a minimum) had an intense interest in LHO preceding the JFKA, and organized flow of information to himself, and away from anyone else in the CIA. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Interview With JFK Assassination Witness Mary Lea Williams In Dealey Plaza
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:32:37 AM »
Quote from: Robin Unger on Today at 01:23:10 AM
Regarding the Limo turn onto Elm.

We already have a view of the turn, and it seems to go off without a problem.

At least 3- films show the Limo turning:

Towner, Dorman, Hughes.

And Towner's clip, IIRC, ends about a second before Zapruder picks up on the action, Dorman's clip is all over the place, and Hughes' clip, like Towner's clip, ends before Oswald fired his first (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124," but does catch his moving around in the Sniper's Nest window in his white t-shirt.


The "problem" didn't occur during the turn, itself, Robin.

The "problem" occurred a couple of seconds later at "Z-124" (see above).
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Interview With JFK Assassination Witness Mary Lea Williams In Dealey Plaza
« Last post by Robin Unger on Today at 01:23:10 AM »
Regarding the Limo turn onto Elm.

We already have a view of the turn, and it seems to go off without a problem.

At least 3- films show the Limo turning:

Towner, Dorman, Hughes.





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