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You guys scoff at the SBT as requiring a magic bullet, then try and tell us there was a magic shooter who disappeared into thin air after firing the kill shot from behind the wooden fence.

All it would take for a shooter to disappear "into thin air" as you say, is for the shooter to be wearing a police uniform - either dressed to look like one, with false credentials - or actually an officer of the law and part of a larger conspiracy that included rogue law enforcement officials...

This person seated behind the bridge/overpass with a police uniform, is in the very best place to shoot the president... the target is coming toward him, the target is slowing thanks to Bill "Rubbernecking" Greer, and he is fairly hidden...


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The assassination researcher Barb Junkarrein addressed the question of the "hole through the windshield" and specifically whether Altgens 6 shows a hole here:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/14532-barb-junkkarinens-articlea-hole-through-the-windshield/

Key graf: "Good copies of the Altgens photo show it [i.e., the alleged hole or "spiral nebula" crack] to be not a feature of the windshield. Rather it is a pattern formed by the gathering of fabric in the dress of a woman spectator standing in the background. The Altgens #6 photo demonstrates that the limousine windshield is not damaged at Zapruder frame 255.

Already posted (and predictably ignored by MTG).
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If you look carefully at a good copy of Altgens 6, you'll see the complete right edge of the rearview mirror, unbroken, along the left side of the alleged "windshield damage." In fact, the right side of the "damage" is bounded by the mirror on the left and by JFK's shoulder on along the bottom. The only way that could happen is if the mirror and JFK were in the foreground with respect to the "windshield damage." Therefore, whatever the alleged damage is, it's in the background behind the mirror. It's not on the windshield at all. This destroys the idea that the windshield damage occurred before frame 255.

To suggest that MTG would ever violate his loyalty oath to Fetzer and his collaborators is like asking a zebra to alter its stripes. The likelihood is negligible.
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The assassination researcher Barb Junkarrein addressed the question of the "hole through the windshield" and specifically whether Altgens 6 shows a hole here:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/14532-barb-junkkarinens-articlea-hole-through-the-windshield/

Key graf: "Good copies of the Altgens photo show it [i.e., the alleged hole or "spiral nebula" crack] to be not a feature of the windshield. Rather it is a pattern formed by the gathering of fabric in the dress of a woman spectator standing in the background. The Altgens #6 photo demonstrates that the limousine windshield is not damaged at Zapruder frame 255."

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AP photographer James Altgens took a photograph that destroys the lone-gunman theory: Altgens 6. Everyone agrees that Altgens 6 was taken at right around Z255.

Here's the unsolvable problem that Altgens 6 poses for the lone-gunman theory: It shows damage to the windshield of JFK's limousine. Nobody disputes this fact. The Warren Commission (WC) admitted that the alleged magic bullet of the single-bullet theory (SBT) could not have caused the windshield damage. The WC assumed the damage was caused by a fragment from the head shot. However, the head shot did not occur until Z313.

As an important side note, I should mention that there is strong, mutually corroborating evidence that there was a hole in the windshield. At least eight witnesses in three different locations independently reported that they saw a hole in the windshield. One of the witnesses, a Dallas police officer, actually put a pencil through the hole to confirm it was a hole. Several of the witnesses said the hole appeared to have been made by a bullet that hit from the front. For more information on this evidence, see Doug Weldon's chapter in Murder in Dealey Plaza:

"The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963"

See also Dr. David Mantik's chapter titled "The Frontal Shot Through the Limousine Windshield" in his 2024 book The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis (chapter 5).

I am not here to argue over the evidence of a windshield hole. My main point is that regardless of whether the windshield damage was just cracks or was a hole and some cracks, the lone-gunman theory has no plausible explanation for the damage.

WC apologists and mortal-error theorists who acknowledge that a bullet hit the pavement behind the limousine early in the shooting may suggest that a fragment from this bullet hit the windshield. However, this is problematic for a number of reasons.

The windshield damage was 4-6 inches to the left of the rearview mirror (viewing from the back of the limo to the front). In order to hit the windshield at this location, a fragment from the pavement bullet would have had to first miss the riding handles on the back of the limo, then miss JFK and Jackie Kennedy, then miss John and Nellie Connally, and then miss the driver, William Greer.

Furthermore, in the MPI large-format transparencies of the Zapruder film, the windshield damage first appears in Z193 and is plainly visible again from Z215 to Z232 (David Mantik, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, 2024, pp. 289-291). But the pavement strike occurred well before Z193 -- in fact, it occurred before Z166 (even according to Gerald Posner).

If a fragment had hit the windshield hard enough to crack it so early in the shooting, surely the driver would have noticed it and would have visibly reacted, since no other shots had been fired yet.

But, if the windshield was hit at around Z190, after at least one shot had already been fired, the driver, now nervous and distracted by having heard a rifle shot, may not have noticed the windshield hit, especially if a high-velocity bullet penetrated the windshield from the front.

Clearly, a windshield hit at Z190 could not have been done by a bullet fired from the sixth-floor window, even if we assume the windshield was hit from behind. Clearly, no fragment from the head shot could have caused the windshield damage, since the head shot occurred at Z313. And clearly, no fragment from the Z133-166 pavement bullet could have caused the windshield damage (indeed, WC apologists already have that bullet magically sending a large fragment streaking toward the curb near James Tague over 400 feet away).
If you look carefully at a good copy of Altgens 6, you'll see the complete right edge of the rearview mirror, unbroken, along the left side of the alleged "windshield damage." In fact, the right side of the "damage" is bounded by the mirror on the left and by JFK's shoulder on along the bottom. The only way that could happen is if the mirror and JFK were in the foreground with respect to the "windshield damage." Therefore, whatever the alleged damage is, it's in the background behind the mirror. It's not on the windshield at all. This destroys the idea that the windshield damage occurred before frame 255.
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The two men fast-walking up the Elm Street extension are Lovelady & Shelley...

The man in front of Calvery can be further examined by obtaining the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell and applying high tech digital enhancement...

The Couch/Darnell clip is a 4 second long series of frames...Your image here denies us the best frame of Molina and his bald pate...Frankly I don't trust your image and I'm not sure photo shop games haven't been played with it in order to merge Lovelady in with it...The JFK research community is dysfunctional and corrupted...It operates in a way that prevents evidence being examined instead of honestly pursued...I need that 1st generation copy in order to look at the highest resolution examples of this man...I assure you he is Molina...




Frazier said it in one of his interviews or statements...He said that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...Calvery had told the pair what she had seen at the Knoll and that inspired them to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...They then went back inside the Depository through the west side doors to the 1st Floor...Adams & Styles had gotten out the rear before they came back in...I think you are well aware the timing for that little talk at the base of the stairs is shown perfectly in Couch/Darnell where Calvery is climbing the stairs at just the right distance from that talk as are Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension at just the right distance from that talk... 



I don't know what you are talking about...My emphasis on this board has always been that the Davidson Enhancement clearly showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man...It is out of my control if people want to play games with that obvious conclusion...Reed told me when she got to the passenger elevator the electricity for it was off and it didn't work...Very important evidence that none of the so-called serious researchers were even interested in...As long as it comes from me, no matter how important, the clique demands it be ignored...Not very credible...



Barry Ernest explains it best...The authorities got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and change their departure from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to scuttle Victoria Adams' witnessing...Adams & Styles clattered by on the 2nd Floor staircase landing on their way down and out...Oswald heard that noise and got up from his seat in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and went to the Vestibule door window for that Lunch Room...Oswald was standing there stationary watching the stairs when he saw a police officer emerge on to the staircase landing...He was startled by this and flinched back from the Vestibule window and retreated in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop instincts and he pursued Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Both Baker & Truly saw Oswald's lunch on the table and knew he was in there the whole time - which is why Baker broke off without saying anything and started up the stairs...Baker hems and haws in his Commission testimony on how exactly he saw Oswald because he knows he can't tell this true version because it exonerates Oswald...Proof this is correct is the fact the Warren Commission never asked either Truly or Baker "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time during the assassination?"...This cracking of the conspiracy is desperately kept off The Education Forum...I'm not sure that forum isn't a den of spooks trying to look like researchers...

   You claim that Shelley and Lovelady were inspired by Calvery to, "...head up the knoll to see for themselves". Walking down the Elm St Extension toward the train yard is NOT "..head up the KNOLL". Just what do you define as the "KNOLL"? It is definitely Not the Elm St Extension and Not the Train Yard.
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Mitch McConnell is probably not dead but he is certainly not Woke.

I know a lot of MAGA people have been highly critical of Mitch McConnell but we as a nation owe him a debt of gratitude for blocking the appointment of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. That paved the way for Trump being able to nominate Neil Gorsuch to replace Antonin Scalia, keeping a conservative majority on SCOTUS.
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JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:34:44 PM »
The Litwin article is well done.  Bugliosi’s rebuttal of Lattimer are hard to dismiss. But the real problem is with a shot through JFK at z223-224. It strains credulity to suggest that JFK could have gone from smiling and waving at the time he was hit to a position and expression 200 ms or less later of this:


That may have been another reason Bugliosi wasn’t persuaded by the Lattimer theory.

All of your beliefs strain credulity.
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This comes from the Sibert-O'Neill report on the autopsy. It is not in the autopsy report. According to Sibert and O'Neill, at one point Humes voiced the view that the back-wound bullet hit at a 45-60-degree downward angle. Obviously, either Humes was unbelievably incompetent or he could not have been looking at the back wound seen in the autopsy photo of the wound. The wound in the autopsy photo has an abrasion ring around it that is wider on the bottom half than on the top half, proving an upward trajectory at the time of impact, as the HSCA FPP correctly noted:

A red-brown to black area of skin surrounds the wound, forming what is called an abrasion collar. It was caused by the bullet's scraping the margins of the skin on penetration and is characteristic of a gunshot wound of entrance. The abrasion collar is larger at the lower margin of the wound, evidence that the bullet's trajectory at the instant of penetration was slightly upward in relation to the body. (7 HSCA 175)

Dr. Spitz had already made the same point, in writing, four years earlier in his report to the Rockefeller Commission:

There is no doubt that the bullet which struck the President’s back penetrated the skin in a sharply upward direction, as is evident from the width of the abrasion at the lower half of the bullet wound of entrance. The term "sharply upward direction" is used because it is evident from this injury that the missile traveled upwards within the body. (Report of Werner Spitz, 4/24/75, p. 1, Rockefeller Commission papers, see https://websites.umich.edu/~ahaq/correspondence.pdf)

Could Humes have been so utterly incompetent as not to recognize that an abrasion ring that is wider on the bottom than on the top proves the bullet struck at an upward angle? I don't think Humes was that incompetent. Finck surely recognized what the abrasion ring indicated. Yet, not surprisingly, this crucial information never made it into the autopsy report, just as the 6.5 mm object and the high fragment trail did not make it into the autopsy report.

Humes was not a forensic pathologist so his lack of knowledge about what an abrasion ring indicates is perfectly understandable. He was asked to perform a task he was not adequately trained for. The mistake was failing to have the autopsy performed by an experienced forensic medical examiner. I don't know who made that call but apparently they deferred to Jackie's choice of having he autopsy performed at a Naval facility. I can't imagine any other widow of a homicide victim being offered such a choice but that is what happened. It was a silly mistake but one we can't undo and will just have to live with the results.
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While a cameraman will involuntarily jiggle his camera in response to hearing a rifle shot, it is not the only thing that will cause a jiggle so additional observations need to be factored in. Since the distance from the muzzle to Zapruder's ears would have been a constant for all three shots, we should expect a similar lag time between the shot being fired and Zapruder's response. We can start with the most obvious, the head shot, which struck at Z313. That shot traveled 88 yards. Estimating the average velocity of the bullet over those 88 yards, it would have taken 0.132 seconds for the bullet to reach JFK's head. Each frame of the Z-film covers 0.055 seconds so that equates to slightly more than 2 frames of the Z-film which would indicate the bullet was probably fired at Z311. It could have been fired late in the exposure of Z310 or even during the brief gap between Z310 and Z311 when the film would not be exposed. That establishes that the bullet was fired in the Z310-311 window. Advancing forward, we find a significant blurring at Z318. If that blurring was caused by Zapruder's reaction to the gunshot, that establishes a lag time of between 7 and 8 frames between the firing of the shot and Zapruder's reaction. It would be nice if that number were and integer, but that's a bit unrealistic to expect that. We can work with the approximation.

With the lag time established at between 7 and 8 frames between the shot being fired and Zapruder's reaction we can move on to the second shot. We see a significant blurring of frame Z227. Using the 7 to 8 frame difference between the shot being fired and Zapruder's reaction, that tells us the shot was fired in the Z219-220 window. That shot would have traveled roughly 190 feet to reach JFK's back. Again using an estimated 2000 fps velocity, that means it would have struck roughly 1.75 seconds latter, so sometime in the Z221-222 window. I lean toward Z222 but since we are working with estimates Z221 is a possibility. Either way, in rapid succession we see JBC's jacket bulge at Z224 and the simultaneous upward arm movements by JFK and JBC at Z226. This is powerful evidence that both men were hit during this time frame.

Moving on to the first shot, JBC shows a visible reaction at Z164. We don't know what JBC's lag time was between hearing the shot and his reaction, but Z164 gives us a good starting point. If we work backwards from there, Z158 shows blurring and for years I thought that was when Zapruder reacted but had I looked back a few more frames, there is more pronounced blurring at Z155 which seems to be the more likely time of Zapruder's involuntary reaction. That would indicate a shot in the Z147-148 window. 

Since we have no visual evidence of a bullet strike for the first shot, we have to recognize that the Z155 jiggle might have been caused by something other than a gunshot, but given its proximity to JBC's reaction, I think the preponderance of evidence leans to the first shot in the Z147-148 window. Some have argued that the first shot was fired was fired before Zapruder resumed filming.  While I cannot logically rule that out, it would require us to believe JBC reacted very slowly to the sound of the first shot. Some have actually argued they can pinpoint a theoretical Zapruder frame had he been filming the entire time. I'm not sure how they could do that with no visual evidence but I'll leave it to them to explain how they could pinpoint such a shot. 
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