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Thanx @  John Mytton and Bill Brown for their incredible insight and logical reasoning with regard to the JFKA discussion over the last 15 years. I’m still not totally convinced Oswald was the shooter but I have moved away from the far out CT alternatives such as Josiah Thompson 5 shots from 3 shooters with the Z313  being TWO hits from both the front AND the TSBD. ( He thinks JFK forward head movement from Z312-Z313 is  caused by Zapruder moving the camera  ::)
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Zeon... How could Tippit arrive DOA at Methodist at 1:15 when the Bowley call was not made on Tippit's squad car radio until 1:17? 

Bowley tells us his actions upon arriving at the scene.  He simply got out of his car, walked over to the body, realized there was nothing he could do for Tippit and then went over to the door and took the mic from Benavides and reported the shooting.  This doesn't take seven minutes.  It is up to each of us to decide whether we want to rely on the accuracy of the Dallas Police dispatcher verbal time stamps... or Bowley's 1960's era windup wristwatch.

How could Tippit arrive DOA at Methodist at 1:15 when the ambulance wasn't dispatched from the Dudley-Hughes Funeral Home until 1:18?  Eddie Kinsley (ambulance personnel, along with J.C. Butler) confirmed that he gave a copy of the call sheet to George & Patricia Nash.  The Nashes stated that the time listed on this call sheet was 1:18.

As for your hospital visit, I hope everything is good with you.  Prayers.

Funeral home clock 1:18 ambulance dispatched. Ambulance returns in about 5 minutes to the hospital with Tiipit at 1:23, the emergency doctor makes a quick check of Tippit and then he signs a document that was typed 1:15?

A typing error? Doctor signed a DOA not noticing an incorrect time of 1:15?

Whatever clock the doctor  was looking at was 8 minutes slower than the funeral home clock?

The doctor thought that the time that should be typed for DOA time was not by a clock he was looking at was when Tippits body arrived , rather the time should be thr doctors best guess as to what time it was when Tipoit died BEFORE he arrived to the emergency room?

The simplest solution is that one set of 3 clocks happened to be 5-7 minutes slower than another set of 2 clocks ( DPD dispatch clock and the Funersl home clock ).

The doctor simply looked at whatever clock or watch when Tiipit arrived and the clock read 1:15 and that’s what was typed on the the DOA document

So if it’s plausible that it’s not improbable that one set of 3 clocks could be nearly in sync with each other yet 5-7 minutes slower relative to another set of 2 clocks that also happen to be in sync with each other .. then  Thumb1:



 
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LOL! This is just hilarious. This confirms my theory that you are stuck in a time warp and are living in the mid-1960s.

Sorry Griff, the jokes on you! I didn't even exist in the mid 60s. Hahahaha.
As clueless, uneducated, paranoid dinosaurs(you know the same ones who believe 9/11 was an inside job, Man didn't walk on the Moon, chemtrails, etc. etc.) such as yourself become extinct, the only history in the future of these events will be the ones written in stone. Live with it. Thumb1:





JohnM
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Famous Last Words
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 06:10:01 AM »
Heaven can wait.  Make this place right first.
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Conservatism in America is now Corporate Conservatism.
The old school values, morality and common sense that defined Conservatism have been hijacked by an incredibly divisive, aggressive, goal-oriented mentality that is devoid of humanity.
A similar thing happened on the left. Political Correctness was an immensely important move forward from the defunct Patriarchal model of society. A movement out of ignorance and into a more humane future. This was hijacked by Wokeism, another divisive, aggressive, goal-oriented mentality.

The Old Right will realise it needed to be more humane in a broader sense. The Old Left will realise it needed to be more realistic and less idealistic.
It will be interesting to see if the word "Republican" can survive the brutality of Corporate Conservatism.

The Middle Way +
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The DOA 1:15 time is a problem for me.

It’s 1:15 on the emergency room clock that the doctor records when he pronounced Tippit DOA.

On the official "Authorized Permit for Autopsy" Tippit is recorded as being DOA(Dead on Arrival), meaning that he was dead before he arrived, therefore where the actual time of death is recorded, must by definition, can not be the time Tippit arrived!
And because in this case the time of death happened earlier and in some other place, the actual time must be estimated and based on any available information.



And here the Police describe the Doctors attempting to bring Tippit back to life, further reinforcing that the doctors observed that Tippit was deceased when he arrived.



BTW, I hope that some medical professional finds out what's wrong with you and you have a full recovery!  Thumb1:

JohnM
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It was the cable channel Showtime. Over 2 nights.
Hosted by Edwin Newman. I watched it.

https://time.com/archive/6707829/video-what-if-oswald-had-stood-trial/

There was a different showing hosted by Geraldo Rivera. I can't remember which channel it was on but I want to guess The History Channel. The Trial was conducted by the BBC. American cable companies showed it on their channels with the host of their choice. At the end of the televised trial, Geraldo interviewed both Bugliosi and Spence together. My guess is the interview was conducted well after the trial concluded but it was made to appear Geraldo was interviewing the adversaries right after the verdict was read.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:47:07 AM »
Well, they certainly can be a source of empirical evidence.

Not by themselves.
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Individual witnesses may be reliable or unreliable. You seem to think that there is no way to tell whether witnesses are reliable. It has nothing to do with having “faith” in a witness.

Of course there is a way to tell if a witness is accurate with their recollections. You compare their story to the body of evidence as a whole, preferably some form of physical evidence. One witness telling the same story as another isn't much of a corroboration. Multiple witnesses can make the same mistake as illustrated by the dozens of witnesses who thought the shots sounded like they came from the GK.
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The OP is definitely NOT claiming that the time trial refutes the idea that Oswald killed Tippit.  In fact, quite the opposite.  I am showing that there is no issue with any timing.  Oswald could have got there in time.

I didn't mean to imply you did claim. That was aimed at another poster who had claimed the time trial refuted Oswald was Tippit's killer.

Time trials can give us an estimate of how long the took someone to perform a particular act. They can't give us a definite time frame. The recreations done to for both Oswald's and Baker's movements to arrive at the second floor lunchroom did seem to indicate, but not proving, it would have taken Oswald slightly less time to reach the lunchroom than it would have taken Baker. The fact Oswald got to the lunchroom just before Baker reached the second floor landing fits with the estimates the recreations provided. That doesn't prove Oswald had come down from the sixth floor. We have ample other proof of that. 
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I had a back-and-forth (if we can call it that) with Walt Cakebread where he said that LBJ was going to announce that Castro was behind the assassination. But the Soviets had learned about the conference and had launched their nuclear armed bombers to the US to attack us. They were on their way, loaded with thermonuclear weapons that they were going to drop on us. So LBJ canceled the announcement to prevent the attack.

I, let us say, strongly disagreed with his claim. As in, there is no damned record anywhere of such acts. By LBJ, by the Soviets. It simply didn't happen. It's all made up. He insisted otherwise. It was at that point where I said to myself, "You dummy, you are trying to reason with a deranged person."

Not all JFK conspiracists are psychotic. But I will wager that all psychotic people are JFK conspiracists. See above.


Just the kind of fruitcake ideas Walt Cakebread was known for. I remember him from alt.conspiracy.jfk. I can't remember if he was part of the AOL forum before that.
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