JFK Assassination Forum

JC:

Watch the Miami speech by JFK that I uploaded--JFK publicly vowed, in that speech made in December of 1962, after the CMC, that the Cuban exiles' flag would fly over a "Free Havana."

The Kennedy brothers were working several levers through 1963, from Castro assassination plots, to fomenting internal divisions in Cuba. They were hard core on Cuba. They were again developing more-substantive plans, while curtailing rogue amateur-ops by Cuban exiles  All that stopped suddenly with JFK's assassination.

LBJ curiously lost interest, seemingly entirely, in Cuba. And there it has stood since.

Interesting topic.

Well, let us hope Trump-Rubio can win the day this time around.

A Free Cuba, and a Free Iran, would be tremendous accomplishments.

Regarding the reactions of "a very small group of people around Z-153," do you think what we're seeing are startle reactions, or conscious reactions?

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I'll answer that. Clearly the reactions of JBC and Rosemary Willis are not startle reactions but cognitive reactions. Connally's reaction began at Z164 when he began to turn to his right. That is more than a half second after he would have heard the shot if indeed it was fired in the early 150s. Rosemary Willis gradually came to a stop before turning toward the TSBD. That happened in the early 170s.

MC:

I think JFK would have assassinated/overthrown the Cuba commie party out of existence in his second term. JFK vowed as much.

I don't think so. That would have violated the agreement we made to end the Cuban Missile Crisis. We came damn close to Armageddon in 1962. JFK wasn't going to go down that road again.

None of this has the least bit of relevance.

For starters, Brehm seems not to have heard the first shot and can be seen in the Z-film still clapping his hands as JFK passed by him, slumping from having been hit by the second shot. Brehm is hardly alone. It appears that some people recognized the first bang as a gunshot and others did not. Connally instantly recognized it as the sound of a high powered rifle while JFK sitting behind him seemed oblivious to it. SS agent Bennett recognized the first sound as a gunshot while he was scanning the crowd to his right. He immediately turned his attention to JFK and saw the second shot strike him high on his upper right back. Meanwhile, SS agent Hill apparently did not recognize the first shot and is seen looking forward toward JFK after the second shot had struck JFK in the back. He heard the third shot as he was racing to the limo but only remembers hearing two shots total. It's a mystery as to why some recognized the first shot for what it was and others did not. Perhaps the accelerating motorcycles coming off the sharp turn on Elm St muffled the sound of that first shot. Perhaps some thought the first shot was a motorcycle backfire.

The direction a piece of skull flew is no indication of the direction of the shot. Only an autopsy can determine that. Entry and exit wounds have distinct characteristics and it is elementary for qualified medical examiners to determine which wounds were entrances. That's why EVERY qualified medical examiner who has seen the autopsy photos and x-rays has concurred with the original finding that JFK was hit by two shots from behind and there is no medical evidence of a shot from any other direction.

Case closed.

This is correct. Clearly from the Zapruder film, Brehm did not recognize either of the first two shots as shots. A very small group of people do seem to react to a shot around z153. Many to the shot at z222. And most to the shot at z312. A lot depends, I think, of what people were looking at when the shots were fired. Jean Hill was clearly not looking at JFK, but was turning her head to the rear to look at the follow up vehicles. I don't think she realized shots had been fired until after z312 and she found out due to the reactions of others. Never mind what she claimed.

Shouldn't a combat veteran like Brehm be among the first to recognize shots were being fired? It would depend on he was looking at, at Z222. If he was glancing down to make certain his young son did not dart into the street, probably not. The sound won't tell, necessarily because different weapons make different sounds and the motorcycles had a lot of backfires. We do not see Brehm until z276. My guess is that a z222, he was not looking at JFK. In any case, while it may seem surprising, Brehm did not recognize that shots had been fired until after z312.

There are no images at any point in time showing Witt/Umbrella Man standing on any "grassy area." That argument has absolutely nothing to support it. Totally ridiculous right out of the blocks.

Dear Royell,

How many photographic images of that part of Dealey Plaza during that period of time are there other than Bronson's "quickie"?

-- Tom