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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on October 01, 2026, 10:28:09 PM »
The WC Sham had the testimonies of Junior Jarman and Hank Norman to nail down when BRW went down to join them.
And wouldn't you believe it, they omitted this testimony from the report. What a shock.

You still don't get it and you never will. Witness estimates regarding time frames don't establish anything because they are nothing more than guesses. You are so pitifully stupid that you think every word of testimony the WC heard over the course of the investigation should have been included in the report whether it had any relevance or not in establishing who killed JFK. What the hell difference does it make what time BRW joined Norman and Jarman. The only thing that mattered was that all three were directly below Oswald as he was firing the shots that killed JFK. That provided further evidence that the 6th floor sniper's nest was the location of the assassin.

The testimony of all the witnesses was made available the 26 volumes for those who wanted to take a deeper dive, but it wasn't necessary to put verbatim testimony in the report to explain how the WC arrived at their conclusions.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on October 01, 2026, 10:20:35 PM »
Well if it was not a slip fall then one has to wonder why Wiegman  would lay down like that when he could have just crouched down  bending his legs while balancing himself still on both feet if he wanted to change his camera perspective to lower ground.

   Yes, I agree with you. There is No logical reason for a professional photog, that works for NBC, to be sprawled chest down across those steps.
   Plus: (1) Wiegman Never said he was ever sprawled across those steps, (2) No Eyewitness ever has said that they saw Wiegman sprawled across those steps, and (3) There are No Assassination Image(s) showing Wiegman sprawled across those steps.
   The Bell Film early/blurry copies led many members of the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community into rubber stamping what technology is now revealing to be a JFK Assassination Urban Legend. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on October 01, 2026, 10:07:08 PM »
Who cares?

   This has to do with: (1) Time Stamping, and (2) JFK Assassination Urban Legends
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Zeon Mason on October 01, 2026, 09:55:25 PM »
     This is exactly why it is vital to view the Entire Bell Film/Wiegman Snippet. No cropping, no chopping, no giffing. On the (R) we see a Bench. Directly Below that Bench are Steps. Directly Below those Steps is the Knoll Grass. Wiegman's legs/feet are on the very same level as that Knoll Grass. He is on that Knoll Grass. He is Not sprawled across the Steps. Wiegman is Facing (W) toward the bottom of the Zapruder Perch. Wiegman is running/stumbling (W) across the Top portion of the Knoll Grass.
     At some point, Wiegman has to arrive (W) of the street light pole to then be standing next to the Newman Family. From where we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, what route does he take to arrive at the bottom of the Knoll and stand next to the Newman Family? Is the claim being made here that from the point we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, he then ran diagonally across the Knoll in order to arrive at the bottom of the Knoll and stand next to the Newman Family? That route would be contrary to the route we see him taking on the Couch Film. Wiegman had to of run (W) across the upper portion of the Knoll grass, in the direction of the bottom of the Zapruder Perch, and then turned left and ran (S) down the Knoll. This is what we see Wiegman doing on the Couch Film. Running (S) DOWN the knoll, Wiegman was then (W) of the street light pole and standing alongside the Newman Family at the bottom of the Knoll.
     The old blurry Bell Film images were responsible for this old wives tale of Wiegman being sprawled across the steps as he filmed the Hester's. Technology has improved the Bell Film definition to the point that it is now clear that Wiegman was not sprawled across the steps. To the contrary, the Bell Film now clearly shows Wiegman to Not being physically on the steps in any manner.
     Some of you are shocked to discover that what you cavalierly accepted as being a fact, is nothing but a 62+ yr old JFK Assassination Urban Legend. You need to accept that Technology is solving this case as it disproves 1 JFK Assassination Urban Legend at a time.     

Well if it was not a slip fall then one has to wonder why Wiegman  would lay down like that when he could have just crouched down  bending his legs while balancing himself still on both feet if he wanted to change his camera perspective to lower ground.
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They say your boy is not only the most corrupt president we've ever had but enjoys reading Adolf Hitlers Greatest Speeches in bed.

Did you read that on MS(now no one is watching)?  Even if it were true, then at least it means he can read.  That puts him ahead of Kamala and Joe. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on October 01, 2026, 09:35:46 PM »
If they put everything in the report that was in the 26 volumes of testimony, the report would have been 26 volumes long and been pretty tedious for anyone wanting to read it. The 888-page report contained the WC's findings and specified the evidence that led them to those conclusions. They provided the 26 volumes of evidence for those who wanted to dive deeper.

But it IS in the WC testimony of James Jarman estimating that he and Norman were out front of TSBD as late as 12:25. Now I think they both left about 12:22 when they heard a radio on a motorcycle parked nearby ( not sure which cop though) and they both started their return to the back of TSBD rear door and then took an elevator up to 5th floor . That would be only take maybe 1 min total time and then there is about 180 ft of floor to travel so by 12:23:30 they both are at their windows . Only THEN did BRW join them.

Then from Arnold Rowland WC there is bit more specific timing which I overlooked. Rowland actually is suggesting that he had seen the black man up to about 30 secs before the motorcade was 5 minutes away. Rowland was looking back every 30 secs approx right up till 12:23 when he looked and no longer saw anyone in the window.

So this why I was trying to work it out with all these 3 persons which if not until 12:23 the TSBD shooter only had 2 minutes max to move from whatever hiding place he was on the 6th floor to get to the SN , stack and orient the 3 boxes , if he was not to be captured in the Bronson film beginning at 12:25.

Now John C. May  think this all irrelevant but Imo if the shooter did not make a test run of placing his rifle on the boxes ,  then that could be the reason to have missed a 1st shot . The shooter basically  “slipped” a bit as he positioning the rifle and took aim, resulting in a miss farther off to right ( or even left side of limo  (that hit the manhole cover and or caused the grass uprooted)

Unfortunately those 75% witness pattern of 1….2.3 is too much % of a grouping to dismiss their recollections by saying they were simply wrong.

And as Dan has repeatedly posted on this thread the statements describing JFK reacting and slumping left when they had heard only 1 shot fired but not before they heard  a second shot , then how can this be concluded  as simply a wrong impression by these witnesses?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by John Corbett on October 01, 2026, 08:43:26 PM »
     This is exactly why it is vital to view the Entire Bell Film/Wiegman Snippet. No cropping, no chopping, no giffing. On the (R) we see a Bench. Directly Below that Bench are Steps. Directly Below those Steps is the Knoll Grass. Wiegman's legs/feet are on the very same level as that Knoll Grass. He is on that Knoll Grass. He is Not sprawled across the Steps. Wiegman is Facing (W) toward the bottom of the Zapruder Perch. Wiegman is running/stumbling (W) across the Top portion of the Knoll Grass.
     At some point, Wiegman has to arrive (W) of the street light pole to then be standing next to the Newman Family. From where we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, what route does he take to arrive at the bottom of the Knoll and stand next to the Newman Family? Is the claim being made here that from the point we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, he then ran diagonally across the Knoll in order to arrive at the bottom of the Knoll and stand next to the Newman Family? That route would be contrary to the route we see him taking on the Couch Film. Wiegman had to of run (W) across the upper portion of the Knoll grass, in the direction of the bottom of the Zapruder Perch, and then turned left and ran (S) down the Knoll. This is what we see Wiegman doing on the Couch Film. Running (S) DOWN the knoll, Wiegman was then (W) of the street light pole and standing alongside the Newman Family at the bottom of the Knoll.
     The old blurry Bell Film images were responsible for this old wives tale of Wiegman being sprawled across the steps as he filmed the Hester's. Technology has improved the Bell Film definition to the point that it is now clear that Wiegman was not sprawled across the steps. To the contrary, the Bell Film now clearly shows Wiegman to Not being physically on the steps in any manner.
     Some of you are shocked to discover that what you cavalierly accepted as being a fact, is nothing but a 62+ yr old JFK Assassination Urban Legend. You need to accept that Technology is solving this case as it disproves 1 JFK Assassination Urban Legend at a time.     

Who cares?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on October 01, 2026, 08:42:03 PM »
I should add that WC apologists fail miserably when it comes to matching their three shots with the Zapruder film. For starters, they must ignore three shot reactions visible in the film because they only have three shots to use. The Zapruder film shows at least six reactions to gunfire, three of which are obviously wound reactions.

"Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film"

This article is a condensed version of chapter 5, "Too Many Shot Reactions in the Zapruder Film," in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth That a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy.

WC apologists must ignore or lamely evade reactions that refute the single-bullet theory (SBT), such as the dramatic drop of Connally's right shoulder drop in Z238-242. To deal with the shoulder drop, they offer three lame contradictory explanations: the shoulder drop is an optical illusion, or the shoulder drop is a delayed reaction to the alleged Z221-224 SBT hit, or the shoulder drop actually starts in Z224. It is a tossup as to which explanation is the most implausible and unscientific.

To make an argument that silly, you have to ignore the fact that JBC's shoulder drop began at Z225, 2-3 frames after he was hit.
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WC apologists must also ignore or lamely evade the bullet that hit the grass near the manhole cover on Main Street. They offer three implausible answers to the evidence for the grass bullet: a piece of JFK's brain somehow flew over the limo's roll bar and windshield and then veered leftward and hit the grass; or, a fragment from the lone-gunman scenario's missed shot magically hit the grass and then skipped onward to hit the Tague curb spot; or, it was all just a big misunderstanding over a hole in tghe grass that was made before the shooting.

No hard evidence has ever been produced that a bullet hit the grass at the location in question. An unexplained hole in the grass is not evidence a bullet struck the grass. A lot of people heard that a bullet had been found in the grass at the location in question, but no one actually saw such a bullet recovered. This is nothing more than a baseless rumor.
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Dr. Josiah Thompson has offered a sync of the dictabelt's shots with the Zapruder film, and it is credible if you assume (1) that four shots were fired, (2) two bullets hit JFK's head from different directions, and (3) that the Zapruder is authentic. The second assumption is on very solid ground, since there is considerable evidence that JFK's head was hit twice.

There is no medical evidence that JFK's head was hit twice. That's pure speculation. If Tink Thompson offered a synchronization of the Dictabelt recording to the Z-film, why won't you post it hear for all of us to see. Could it be that it is too absurd even for you to post?
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Personally, as I've said, given the scientific evidence that the Zapruder film has been altered,

You keep asserting that without ever posting such evidence. I wonder why.
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and given the probability that the dictabelt did not record all the shots that were fired, I see no need to spend time trying to sync the dictabelt with the Zapruder film, and the Zapruder cannot logically be used as evidence against the dictabelt (even if we assume the film is pristine).

Translation: MTG knows there is no way to plausibly sync the BBN's supposed shots to the Z-film and he knows there is no credible evidence the Z-film has been manipulated. He continues to assert what he cannot prove. SOP for MTG. I've seen his act going back to 1991 and it never changes. He keeps recycling the same old long ago debunked myths regarding the JFKA.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on October 01, 2026, 08:23:08 PM »
This is no reason to reject the acoustical evidence. Even if we assume the Zapruder film is pristine and ignore all the scientific evidence of alteration, the acoustical evidence does not require us to believe that the dictabelt recorded all the shots that were fired during the assassination, as the HSCA's acoustical scientists themselves explained. Thus, the alleged inability to sync the dictablet with the Zapruder film cannot logically invalidate the acoustical evidence.

It certainly cannot explain the scientifically proven presence of gunfire N-waves and gunfire windshield distortions on the dictabelt; nor can it explain the amazing timing-movement correlations between the dictabelt's impulse patterns and the test-firing impulse patterns identified by the BBN scientists, correlations that were so powerful that even the NRC/NAS panel admitted there was 93% probability they occurred because the dictabelt recorded gunfire in Dealey Plaza during the shooting.

I should add that WC apologists fail miserably when it comes to matching their three shots with the Zapruder film. For starters, they must ignore three shot reactions visible in the film because they only have three shots to use. The Zapruder film shows at least six reactions to gunfire, three of which are obviously wound reactions.

"Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film"

This article is a condensed version of chapter 5, "Too Many Shot Reactions in the Zapruder Film," in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth That a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy.

WC apologists must ignore or lamely evade reactions that refute the single-bullet theory (SBT), such as the dramatic drop of Connally's right shoulder drop in Z238-242. To deal with the shoulder drop, they offer three lame contradictory explanations: the shoulder drop is an optical illusion, or the shoulder drop is a delayed reaction to the alleged Z221-224 SBT hit, or the shoulder drop actually starts in Z224. It is a tossup as to which explanation is the most implausible and unscientific.

WC apologists must also ignore or lamely evade the bullet that hit the grass near the manhole cover on Main Street. They offer three implausible answers to the evidence for the grass bullet: a piece of JFK's brain somehow flew over the limo's roll bar and windshield and then veered leftward and hit the grass; or, a fragment from the lone-gunman scenario's missed shot magically hit the grass and then skipped onward to hit the Tague curb spot; or, it was all just a big misunderstanding over a hole in tghe grass that was made before the shooting.

Dr. Josiah Thompson has offered a sync of the dictabelt's shots with the Zapruder film, and it is credible if you assume (1) that four shots were fired, (2) two bullets hit JFK's head from different directions, and (3) that the Zapruder is authentic. The second assumption is on very solid ground, since there is considerable evidence that JFK's head was hit twice.

Personally, as I've said, given the scientific evidence that the Zapruder film has been altered, and given the probability that the dictabelt did not record all the shots that were fired, I see no need to spend time trying to sync the dictabelt with the Zapruder film, and the Zapruder cannot logically be used as evidence against the dictabelt (even if we assume the film is pristine).

 

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gerry Patrick Hemming
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on October 01, 2026, 05:32:44 PM »
Dang, Big Boy Burnham and Hollywood McBride are getting themselves butthurt over there, Talkin ‘Tippitt Blues and such.  lol.   how old are these people ?  Furthermore, the writer of the article they’re arguing about is one of Ralph Sink’s Senior Members of his beloved Oswald Innocence Campaign.  So is Salandria, Lane, McKnight, Janney………… lol.  A rogue’s gallery if there ever was one.  You go, Ralph!

Your turn to report next, Albert.  That’s your Alma mater, as if it maters.
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