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I choose to believe the witnesses whose account jibe with the Z-film which is probably a minority of the witnesses.

When you say "the preponderance of all the rest of the evidence" you really mean the preponderance of the witnesses accounts of the shooting. You rarely if ever offer hard evidence to support you beliefs. Since you seem to place most of your faith in the witnesses over the forensic evidence, explain this:

https://22november1963.org.uk/jfk-assassination-documents/grassy-knoll-witnesses

Witnesses to Shots from the Grassy Knoll
Here is a list, in alphabetical order by surname, and no doubt incomplete, of those witnesses to President Kennedy’s assassination who claimed that one or more shots came from the general direction of the grassy knoll:
Victoria Adams
Danny Garcia Arce
Virginia Baker (née Rackley)
Jane Berry
Charles Brehm
Ochus Campbell
Faye Chism
John Chism
Harold Elkins
Ronald Fischer
Buell Wesley Frazier
Dorothy Garner
Jean Hill
Sam Holland
Ed Johnson
Dolores Kounas
Paul Landis
Billy Lovelady
Austin Miller
A.J. Millican
Luke Mooney
Thomas Murphy
Jean Newman
William Newman
Kenneth O’Donnell and David Powers
Roberta Parker
Frank Reilly
Arnold Rowland
Edgar Smith
Joe Marshall Smith
Forrest Sorrels
James Tague
Roy Truly
Harry Weatherford
Seymour Weitzman
Otis Williams
Mary Woodward
Abraham Zapruder

How do you suppose 38 earwitnesses pointed to the same wrong location as the source of the shots? Did these witnesses corroborate each other?

That is pretty simple to explain because humans perceive sound direction not source direction.

The perceived direction of a sound is something your brain figures out by itself from the time difference between the arrival of a sound wave front at the left ear and the arrival of that same wave front at the right ear.  The brain then interprets that to be the same direction as the source. That is how we evolved. And on the buildingless, treeless African savannah that was a pretty good way to determine the sound source. The problem is that this time difference is skewed if sound wave fronts are arriving from multiple directions.
 
In Dealey plaza with all the concrete surfaces including large pillars and curved pergola walls, the direction of the sound waves was not necessarily the direction of the source of the sound: the SE 6th floor TSBD.

So there were many witnesses whose brain was confused about where exactly it appeared the sound came from.  Few of those far away from the corner of Houston and Elm could identify a specific location of the source. Within those 38 witnesses there is a large range in where they thought the shots came from.  Many admitted confusion about where the sounds came from e.g. Powers thought it came from his right or from the underpass. Mary Woodward also thought the sounds came from “possibly behind her” or from the right where the underpass was located.

The fact that the witnesses in different locations differed on where they perceived the source was located but almost all thought three shots appeared to them to come from the same direction tells you that the sounds reaching their ears came from more than one direction and those directions differed depending on where the witness was located

Dear Comrade Storing,

I'm not talking about James' Lego Cars.

I'm talking about his excellent overlay of a frame from the Couch clip and a frame from the Weigman clip.

Have you seen it yet?

If so, do you think he's improperly aligned them with each other?

-- Tom

. . . . . . .

EDIT:  Oops, it looks as though I was wrong about the tire and hubcap on Storing's MYSTO "ABANDONED" GETAWAY CAR in the Wiegman clip. I thought those two women I referred to were standing on the "island," but now I realize they were standing in the street near it, so the camera's perspective of the area visible between their lower legs isn't high enough to show a tire on a car parked next to the "island," much less its hubcap.

        The above is proof that even the Denier's are subject to occasional flashes of reality. No matter how hard You or anyone else tries, you simply can Not conjure a parked car alongside the Island on the Wiegman Film. There is No Car There. Not Yet!

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If instead of at Z224  JC is getting hit somewhere between  Z 270-Z280, by a 2nd bullet traveling 2000ft/sec hit his upper body mass , shoujd there not be be some indication of some moment of his upper body forwards?

Perhaps you mean this kind of uniform forward motion immediately before he goes back onto Nellie’s lap:

Since I’ve seen no alternative drawing to the one that JohnM posted to explain the wrist wound, I have to remain doubtful about a shot at Z270-z280 where the bullet exits JCs chest and  goes thru the top of his right hand wrist bone ,  exits the bottom of palm, and misses the hat. The trajectory line from TSBD is the question if it can be aligned with the entry and exit wound line thru JCs upper body in some position between Z270-z280.

If the bullet deflected off the back of the wrist as Dr. Shaw suggested and as the shirt cuff might suggest:


and if the narrow slit in the palm side was caused be one of many small bone shards created by the impact, then maybe that would explain why the fragments deflected up to the top of the windshield area….

You seem to have difficulty admitting that without “cherry picking” and without interpreting and just taking what they all said at face value, the overwhelming preponderance of all the witness evidence is that:
1. JFK reacted to the first shot
2. the last two shots were closer together and in fairly rapid succession
3. the first shot occurred with JFK in a position that is inconsistent with his position before z186.

That is all I am doing. If I was cherry picking I would not have included in my 9 pages all the witnesses who recalled a different shot pattern, or you would be able to provide me a list of witnesses who stated that they observed JFK at the time of the first shot and saw that he did not react.
Yes, exactly.   But I choose to believe those whose evidence is independently corroborated and consistent the preponderance of all the rest of the evidence. That point seems to be missed.

I choose to believe the witnesses whose account jibe with the Z-film which is probably a minority of the witnesses.

When you say "the preponderance of all the rest of the evidence" you really mean the preponderance of the witnesses accounts of the shooting. You rarely if ever offer hard evidence to support you beliefs. Since you seem to place most of your faith in the witnesses over the forensic evidence, explain this:

https://22november1963.org.uk/jfk-assassination-documents/grassy-knoll-witnesses

Witnesses to Shots from the Grassy Knoll
Here is a list, in alphabetical order by surname, and no doubt incomplete, of those witnesses to President Kennedy’s assassination who claimed that one or more shots came from the general direction of the grassy knoll:
Victoria Adams
Danny Garcia Arce
Virginia Baker (née Rackley)
Jane Berry
Charles Brehm
Ochus Campbell
Faye Chism
John Chism
Harold Elkins
Ronald Fischer
Buell Wesley Frazier
Dorothy Garner
Jean Hill
Sam Holland
Ed Johnson
Dolores Kounas
Paul Landis
Billy Lovelady
Austin Miller
A.J. Millican
Luke Mooney
Thomas Murphy
Jean Newman
William Newman
Kenneth O’Donnell and David Powers
Roberta Parker
Frank Reilly
Arnold Rowland
Edgar Smith
Joe Marshall Smith
Forrest Sorrels
James Tague
Roy Truly
Harry Weatherford
Seymour Weitzman
Otis Williams
Mary Woodward
Abraham Zapruder

How do you suppose 38 earwitnesses pointed to the same wrong location as the source of the shots? Did these witnesses corroborate each other?