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Oh boy. Those elastic sections are in just about every jacket of that type. I have two windbreaker type jackets that have exactly the same elastic sections at the same place. No big deal. But what the photos do show (and Johnny simply ignores) is that the sleeves of the white jacket are far larger that the one's on Oswald's grey jacket. So much for similarity! You just see what you want to see.


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But what the photos do show (and Johnny simply ignores) is that the sleeves of the white jacket are far larger that the one's on Oswald's grey jacket.

Sure Oswald was a Gorilla, Hilarious!

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I have two windbreaker type jackets that have exactly the same elastic sections at the same place. No big deal.

Wow, in 2026, you claim to own two of that type of jacket, please take a photo of the two jackets and show us the two elastic gathered sections on the back and I hope they're a light grey/beige shade! Then post them in this thread. Waiting....Zzzzzz...

JohnM
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My guess is that Helen Markham very likely timed it so that she would be at the Jefferson & Patton bus stop at approximately 1:15 every day, and she would (of course) then catch the next bus to come by that was going downtown (whenever that was, at 1:22, or 1:26, whenever). That way, she would be a little early to catch the next bus. Makes sense to me anyway.

I agree, that's the most likely scenario. Buses seldom run on exactly the time of their schedule. But Markham indicated that she would be at the bus stop at 1.15 and she would then just wait for the next bus to show up.

But that doesn't answer the question I asked Bill Brown. For Markham to get to the bus stop at 1.15 (regardles which bus she took, a delayed 1.12 or the 1.122) she still needed to walk two blocks in about five to six minutes to get there. So, she would have left 9th street at around 1.09 or 1.10 and get to 10th and Patton at about 1.13. According to Dale Myers, Tippit was shot at 1.14.30, so are we really to believe that Markham just stood around at the intersection of 10th and Patton for two minutes or so and likely risk (in her perception) missing her bus to work?
That doesn't make sense at all.

We don't have time stamps for any event related to the Tippit shooting until a citizen radioed in the report from Tippit's cruiser. Every other event is based on ESTIMATED times. You cannot do precise calculations if you don't start with precise figures.
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For what it's worth, there certainly is an FBI report which states that Linnie Mae Randle originally stated (on the afternoon of the assassination) that the bag she saw Oswald carry that morning was 36 inches long.

It isn't worth much.

Indeed there is. Bookhout wrote the FD 302 for internal use. Randle never saw it and it can hardly be described as evidence.
But even if it could be considered to be evidence, it contradicts all other statements Randle ever made and it's only mentioning an estimation.

Isn't the LN clan allergic to estimates?

There is no way a 36 inch bag would fit between Oswald armpit and the cup of his hand, and it would have been impossible to be carried they way Randle described and not hit the ground.

You're flogging a dead horse.
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GREAT find, John.  I've never caught that before.

Thanks.  That's very valuable.

Yeah, you bet. It makes Weidmann's story about Jacket swaps more ridiculous than ever! He is such a Dufus. Anyway, here's a higher resolution photo that better shows the gathered material.



JohnM
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I've never said we should write of witness statements. I'm saying we need to determine if what a witness tells us can be corroborated or refuted by other evidence. In this case both Frazier and Randle are refuted by the forensic evidence because the bag was found and measured to be 38 inches long, plenty long enough to hole the 34.8 inch stock.

This is just about the most stupid statement I've seen you make so far. You have no evidence whatsoever that the bag found on the 6th floor ever left the TSBD, ever held a broken down rifle (an FBI export could find no markings in the bag that would expected to be there is a broken down rifle had been in it) or that Oswald carried that bag on Friday morning. All you have are self-serving assumptions that you call "forensic evidence". You do understand that with enough assumptions you can make anybody look guilty of anything, right.

No evidence? Seriously? How do you suppose the bag contained Oswald's prints and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle in the Paine garage. Maybe it was by PFM (Pure Freaking Magic)

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So why don't you stop assuming and get back to us when you have some actual proof that the bag found on the 6th floor was indeed the bag Oswald was carrying (between the cup of his hand and his armpit) on Friday morning. This LN crap is getting so tiresome!


Absolute proof is not available nor does it need to be in order to be probative. Oswald carrying the rifle into the TSBD in the bag Frazier and Randle saw him with is simply far and away the most likely explanation and fits perfectly with all the other available evidence pointing to Oswald as the assassin. The rifle found on the 6th floor was probably his. It was matched to the shells in the sniper's nest and the only two recovered bullets from the shooting to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. Oswald's palm and fingerprints were found on the boxes at the window where a shooter was seen. To believe Oswald brought his rifle into work that morning in the brown paper bag Frazier saw him with, I only have to believe that both Frazier and Randle misjudged the length of the bag, which is not a stretch at all. It's the kind of mistake witnesses routinely make. People simply aren't that observant about details and our brains are not equipped with DVRs.
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Randle corroborates Frazier when it comes to the maximum size of the bag. Accept it and get over it!

One fallible witness is not much corroboration for another fallible witness.
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Hilariously stupid. Just how pathetic can you be? First of all, they found Oswald's dark grey jacket at the TSBD, so that's the one he must have been wearing on Friday morning.
Secondly, even if he had been wearing the light grey jacket that morning, then how in the world did that get to Oak Cliff for Oswald to pick it up and put on? Oswald left the TSBD wearing no jacket, right? Roberts said he entered the rooming house wearing no jacket, right? So, come on, genius, tell is how did the light grey jacket get to the rooming house if Oswald had worn it to the TSBD on Friday morning?

Hahahaha! Gotcha, Frazier your star witness with the photographic memory had never seen CE163 ever before and don't forget that Frazier sat right next to Oswald for about half an hour on the way to work! And you expect Frazier to remember Oswald in the five or so minutes they walked from the car to the loading dock, where Oswald ended up about 50 feet away??



Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.


 :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

JohnM
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It's amazing what TDS can do to a person's mind.

It's a pity that you're so in love with Trump's Diminutive Shank, Corbett.
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   You're falling behind. Mytton has made the claim that Haygood made 2 Trips back inside the railroad yard. He claims this alleged 2nd trip into the railroad yard was filmed by Darnell. And this 2nd trip, (on foot, while carrying an alleged motorcycle glove the entire way), ended at the TSBD Houston St dock.
   My response to this absolutely baseless claim is, why wouldn't Haygood just put the alleged motorcycle glove back on and ride his motorcycle over to the TSBD Houston St Dock?
   The documented radio transmissions of Haygood - 12:35  and Harkness - 12:36 proving that there was an Unknown Motorcycle Cop roaming deep inside the railroad yard, ties in well with the Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series. All of this has the LN Community on tilt. This alleged Haygood 2nd trip into the railroad yard shows their currently hopeless position.

Did you ever consider the possibility that after searching the rail yard, he was closer to the loading dock than he was to his motorcycle. I have not studied this issue because I really don't care. Your ramblings haven't made me the least bit curious about Haygood's movements and whether or not he is the cop seen with one glove off. You are trying to find significance in the most insignificant things. Dissuading you from your delusions is a task I will pass on.
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Yep, the KGB*, the same folks who, along with GRU and Putin's professional St. Petersburg trolls, installed Donald Trump as our "president" on 20 January 2017.

*Today's SVR and FSB

That is a truly bizarre theory. It's amazing what TDS can do to a person's mind.
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BB-

Verily, who knows?

It may be LHO expected a ride that did not show up. That may have led to LHO's "patsy" statement, which really meant, "I was left holding the bag."

Larry Hancock, a solid researcher, becomes uncharacteristically speculative, and posits LHO may have planned to hijack a plane from Love Field, to Cuba. That is where he was headed, Love Field, and that is why LHO sought his handgun.

By all accounts, LHO was a smart guy, whatever we think of him.

Did LHO really have no getaway plan?

Since nobody knows what Oswald was thinking at any given time before or after the shooting, any answer is speculation. My own speculation is Oswald did not expect to get out of the TSBD and he had no plan for the aftermath. The fact he left most of his cash with Marina seems to indicate that. If his plan was to go on the lam, he would have needed all the cash he had. Once he got out, his first thought was thought was to arm himself. Once he fetched his revolver, I have no idea where he was going. Once he killed Tippit, he had to know he would be the subject of an intense manhunt. The cops might not have known right away he was the suspect in the assassination, but they would be out to get a cop killer for sure. Maybe his intention was suicide by cop. Who knows. It's all guesswork.
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