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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 02:24:54 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 02:13:32 PM
AI?
Hilarious.
Garbage in Garbage out.

JohnM

Garbage in Garbage out.

If there is one person who knows just about everything about that, it's you.

Everything you post shows it
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 34, with Steve Barber on the Acoustics Evidenc
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 02:24:36 PM »
Steve Barber was always one of my favourites and when he became a member and started pleasantly interacting with me, was the icing on the cake!
This video was so good, the production values were excellent.
It must have taken a lot of time to add all the little snippets like magazine articles, photos, video clips and etc. and the relevant actual dictabelt recordings so we can hear for ourselves what Steve heard and deciphered was a neat touch.

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 02:13:32 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 01:41:56 PM
AI Overview
In 1963, determining the exact age or "freshness" of a latent fingerprint was not scientifically possible, as methods were limited to identifying WHO left the print rather than WHEN. Forensic techniques focused on visual enhancement, not chemical analysis of age.

He worked there. He would be expected to touch anything in the building.

AI?
Hilarious.
Garbage in Garbage out.

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 02:09:40 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Today at 01:09:45 PM
Just how dishonest can you be. That is a jpg made by Tony Fratini and he was talking about the 20 inch bag... not the 38 inch bag.

the red stripe shows the size of a 38 inch bag. You've shot yourself in the foot, yet again!  :D

My dear boy, he wasn't carrying an Elephant gun!

I added a similar sized Oswald rifle bag and know what I did, you lose again!
Next time think before you blindly rush in because correcting your mistakes is becoming a full time job!



JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 01:59:33 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 01:41:56 PM
AI Overview
In 1963, determining the exact age or "freshness" of a latent fingerprint was not scientifically possible, as methods were limited to identifying WHO left the print rather than WHEN. Forensic techniques focused on visual enhancement, not chemical analysis of age.

He worked there. He would be expected to touch anything in the building.

It's the only evidence assumptions they have. Poor souls
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 01:41:56 PM »
AI Overview
In 1963, determining the exact age or "freshness" of a latent fingerprint was not scientifically possible, as methods were limited to identifying WHO left the print rather than WHEN. Forensic techniques focused on visual enhancement, not chemical analysis of age.

He worked there. He would be expected to touch anything in the building.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 01:38:10 PM »
But there's more, much more!
Oswald's prints were on top of the rifle rest Rolling Reader box orientated down Elm Street.



Latona did print tests and determined that detectable prints using powder lasted a maximum of 24 hours, bizarrely when pinned down he said 3 days, I'm guessing to be safe, but he still classified the prints as fresh.

Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
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Under circumstances, bearing in mind that here the box was powdered, and a print was developed with powder, the conclusion is that this is comparatively a fresh print. Otherwise, it would not have developed.



And to top it off these Rolling Reader boxes with the fresh prints and according to Oswald's supervisor, William Shelley, were moved halfway across the floor and it was very unusual to see them in south west corner, Oswald's sniper's nest. The boxes were smaller and were obviously moved to make a suitable height for Oswald's rifle!

Mr. BALL. You have seen pictures of the window, haven't you?
Mr. SHELLEY. Oh, yes.
Mr. BALL. With the larger box on the floor and two Rolling Readers on the top?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. One Rolling Reader resting in the sill of the window?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Now, the Rolling Readers were stacked three aisles away, I believe you testified, haven't you, before?
Mr. SHELLEY. I'm not sure how many aisles we moved all that stock now, but it was at least three aisles.
Mr. BALL. Away from the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; they were at least half way across the building from this corner.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.
Mr. BALL. They were?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; they were little boxes. The rest of them are pretty good sized.
Mr. BALL. You had had a special place for the Rolling Readers?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Then, the two Rolling Readers that were over in the southeast corner were out of place, were they?
Mr. SHELLEY. They sure were.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen them out of place before?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen those Rolling Readers in that corner before?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.

Tom Alyes captured the Sniper's nest before any boxes were moved, and we can see the rolling reader rifle rest boxes.





JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 01:12:23 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:48:39 PM
I don't need schooling from some one who doesn't know what he is talking about. If fibers can't be matched to an object, why would the FBI have a division that matches fibers to objects. Furthermore, suspected serial child killer Wayne Williams was convicted primarily on fiber matching and has already served 45 years in prison for that conviction. Without the fiber matching, the prosecutors wouldn't have had a case to take to trial. The reason fiber matching isn't 100% conclusive is that unlike fingerprint and ballistic matching, it is theoretically possible a matching fiber could have come from an identical object, even though that is a remote possibility.

Wayne Williams lawyers filed an appeal making the same claims you are about fiber evidence. The appeals court rejected the claim. Even though fiber evidence is not 100% conclusive, it is still highly probative when one considers the unlikelihood it came from an identical object to the one in question. You would have us believe it's just a coincidence that the fibers found on Oswald's rifle and in the rifle bag matched Oswald's shirt and blanket. If that is the case, Oswald had to be the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.

I can't believe Oswald's shitass luck. Not only did the fibers on the rifle and the bag match his shirt and his blanket, when he went back to his rooming house to change shirts, he just happened to pick the one that was identical to the one the real shooter was wearing.

It only seems like evidence to people with common sense.

You do seem to believe in amazing coincidences.

It only seems like evidence to people with common sense.

Common sence is just another word for assumptions

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 34, with Steve Barber on the Acoustics Evidenc
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:11:54 PM »
Brehm can be seen still clapping his hands in the background of the Z-film even after JFK had been hit by the second shot. Like so many others, he didn't seem to realize shots were being fired until he saw JFK's head explode.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 01:09:45 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 07:38:34 AM
BS:



JohnM

Just how dishonest can you be. That is a jpg made by Tony Fratini and he was talking about the 20 inch bag... not the 38 inch bag.

the red stripe shows the size of a 38 inch bag. You've shot yourself in the foot, yet again!  :D
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