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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 12:52:21 PM »
Typical bullets for handguns in 1963 were ordinary lead, especially for .38s.

Hollow points were rare to non-existent in 1963.

FMJ for more-powerful handguns did exist.

Only lead was detected on the curb strike near Tague.

Hard to see how FMJ's fired at the limo subsequently made a lead-only strike on the Tagee curb. I put very low odds, indeed vanishing, on that.

The second official investigation into the JFKA, the HSCA, concluded there had been a gunshot at the GK.

As a JFKA amateur-layman-hobbyist-buff, you are entitled to disagree.

Respectfully, I put more weight on the HSCA's findings than yours. That was a serious investigation, by a lot of smart and skeptical guys, many professionals. 

Reasonable JFKA speculation is that a handgun, fired on the GK, could have send a lead slug towards Tague and the nearby curb.

Does that explain the Tague shot? It is a reasonable explanation. No more, no less than that.

No, the LNT'ers and CT'ers cannot prove their views.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 12:17:32 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:14:06 PM
No surgeon testified to a bullet being removed from JBC's body Only fragments. Try putting 2 and 2 together some time and see what it adds up to.

 :D no one is saying that.
try and follow along
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:14:06 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 02:44:42 AM
I see exactly what it says. Call it stupidity all day long.
 Thumb1: Right back ya. He is referring to the bullet and what he was told about fragments

How can you think a memo with the name OP Wright and the word bullet is referring to fragments as the same?
I'm not aware of him finding - being given  - or having anything to do  - with any fragment JBC or JFK.
He only found a bullet.

No surgeon testified to a bullet being removed from JBC's body Only fragments. Try putting 2 and 2 together some time and see what it adds up to.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:09:28 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 03:51:26 AM
The WC holds that JFK was struck in the lower rear half of his skull at Z-313. That puts his skull between the bullet that struck him, and the curb near Tague.

Some WC-backers contend the bullet-strike to JFK's skull caused a "jet effect," of matter exploding to the right of JFK's skull.

Jet effect is a real phenomenon but probably not the primary cause of JFK's rearward movement. That was likely a neuro-muscular reaction to the massive brain trauma.
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There are blow-outs on the right-side of JFKs skull in available x-rays, but none on the left.

Hard to see how a lead fragment could have squirted out of FMJ hitting the lower right of JFK's skull, and which caused a blow-out on the right-side of JFK's skull...but then a lead fragment went over left towards Tague.

When the bullet struck JFK's head, he was leaning hard to the right. The would have rotated the upper right side of his head toward the top which is why we see the dispersion of blood and brains going forward and upward in Z313.
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A handgun fired from the GK would not have used a FMJ, but rather an ordinary lead slug. Only lead was detected on the curb strike near Tague.

There was no handgun fired from the GK. If there had been, the shooter would have had a choice of lead bullets, FMJ bullets, and hollow points.
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Maybe a handgun is the source of the Tague strike.

That's as dumb as anything you have ever written.

I have never read a compelling explanation of the Tague curb strike. LNT or CT.
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I by compelling you mean provable, you never will. The cause of Tague's injury will remain a mystery. Unlike the bullets that hit JFK and JBC, we can never prove that.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Monument of Oswald
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 11:59:16 AM »
I think an appropriate monument would be to place a urinal over his grave.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Monument of Oswald
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 07:07:22 AM »
i was thinking maybe the backyard photo in bronze, with Judyth Baker next to him, on her knees……
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: What do these Members and Non Members of this Forum have in common?
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 05:21:52 AM »
yeah, John……. As Hemingway suggested, “write drunk, edit sober” lol.

hey I heard you and Fred talking about Anthony on the Trail there.  some neat comments, too !  hoping today finds you well+
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The future of the Republican Party
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 05:12:55 AM »
yeah, well have everyone stay on topic in a thread then.  most devolve into obscurity.

but since I’m here, and have just watched your creature and his bride by his side, bragging about…….. stewardship !!!  Bwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa !!! you all don’t know what’s coming, do you? The pimple is about to pop………. DUCK !!! (uh…………….. unless you want some of that “TrumpDividend”…Bwaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa ! ! ! )
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 03:51:26 AM »
The WC holds that JFK was struck in the lower rear half of his skull at Z-313. That puts his skull between the bullet that struck him, and the curb near Tague.

Some WC-backers contend the bullet-strike to JFK's skull caused a "jet effect," of matter exploding to the right of JFK's skull.

There are blow-outs on the right-side of JFKs skull in available x-rays, but none on the left.

Hard to see how a lead fragment could have squirted out of FMJ hitting the lower right of JFK's skull, and which caused a blow-out on the right-side of JFK's skull...but then a lead fragment went over left towards Tague.

A handgun fired from the GK would not have used a FMJ, but rather an ordinary lead slug. Only lead was detected on the curb strike near Tague.

Maybe a handgun is the source of the Tague strike.

I have never read a compelling explanation of the Tague curb strike. LNT or CT.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 02:44:42 AM »
Quote from: Tim Nickerson on Today at 02:42:46 AM
I don't have the patience at the moment to deal with your stupidity. Read the memo again. Read it very carefully. Try to understand what you read.

I see exactly what it says. Call it stupidity all day long.
 Thumb1: Right back ya. He is referring to the bullet and what he was told about fragments

How can you think a memo with the name OP Wright and the word bullet is referring to fragments as the same?
I'm not aware of him finding - being given  - or having anything to do  - with any fragment JBC or JFK.
He only found a bullet.
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