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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:29:52 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:42:48 AM
I thought you said the Russians didn't try harder than usual to interfere in our 2016 election?

Did they want Hillary to win?



Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.

That's interesting. I don't recall saying that. I don't recall even thinking that. I have no idea whether the Russians tried any hard in 2016 and 2024 to meddle in our elections than they had in the past. The growth of social media gave them a tool that they didn't have before and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they tried to exploit that. That doesn't change my view that the Democrats' accusations of Russian meddling are nothing more than excuses for their own failings. They nominated lousy candidates who the American electorate rejected. Both had a history of past failures in presidential elections. Hillary failed in 2008 and Kamala failed in 2020. For some reason the Democrats thought they were the ideal candidates in 2016 and 2024. Actions have consequences and the Democrats paid the price for their poor choices in those two election years.

The Democrats aren't alone in failing with recycled candidates who had failed in the past. Dole failed in 1988 but got nomination in 1996. McCain lost to George W. Bush in 2000 but was given the nomination in 2008. Romney lost to McCain in 2008 but was nominated in 2012. Losing shouldn't automatically disqualify a candidate for future elections. Nixon won in 1968 after losing in 1960. Reagan failed in 1968 and 1976 before winning consecutive landslides. The parties should at least ask themselves if the candidate or the circumstances were responsible for past failures. In the cases of Hillary and Kamala, I think the answer is obvious.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:02:34 PM »
Quote from: Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 09:48:36 AM
So...Using your illogical logic, this genuine Oswald photographed at different times in this two photo composite, might or might not be the genuine Oswald?



      There is no mystery as to the Oswald ID on the 2 images you have posted. Other than with Ralphy. There is a total mystery shroud covering the ID of Prayer Man/Lady. You failed to mention that the images you posted were captured 30 minutes apart. I took the Kamp/Lovelady ID apart with images that were captured within seconds of each other. This is Not the case with what you posted. The time gap between your images should have been made clear to the audience.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:50:02 PM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Yesterday at 05:59:33 AM
RS: Witt said by the time he got the umbrella open, the JFK Limo had passed by him. That's pure  BS

The Bronson film shows that TUM is standing about where the retaining wall would be, with his umbrella up and open, while the limousine has indeed already passed him by. Did you not look at the still I posted?


There is simply NO WAY the Witt WC Testimony is "perfectly consistent" with his testimony.

1.) There is no "Witt WC testimony." He didn't testify about the assassination until the late 1970s.

2.)Adjusting for that, your sentence says, in effect, "There's NO WAY that Witt's testimony is perfectly consistent with Witt's testimony." Since there is only one "Witt's testimony" it would indeed be perfectly consistent with itself, just as a=a in all cases.

    Are you claiming that Witt was standing on: (1) the grass, or, (2) the retaining wall? Both the grass and the retaining wall are incorrect.  He stood on the very wide sidewalk.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion
« Last post by Fred Litwin on Yesterday at 12:39:40 PM »
On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion

This was a ton of fun with our panel of Fred James, Scott Maudsley, Dr. Martin Kelly, and Dr. Nick Nalli.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 09:48:36 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on March 31, 2026, 06:42:11 PM
And now you wanna compare a figure on Willis 21, to a figure from 30 Seconds after the Kill Shot?

So...Using your illogical logic, this genuine Oswald photographed at different times in this two photo composite, might or might not be the genuine Oswald?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Yesterday at 05:59:33 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:30:27 AM
    Witt said by the time he got the umbrella open, the JFK Limo had passed by him. That's pure  BS:. Like I said, the Bronson Film was not public knowledge when he testified. This is why nobody on the panel questioned him about the difference between his testimony and the Bronson Film Images. There is simply NO WAY the Witt WC Testimony is "perfectly consistent" with his testimony. It's not even close. And he says, "POSSIBLY standing on the retaining wall." Again, that too is pure  BS:. "POSSIBLY"? And you wanna swear by that?
RS: Witt said by the time he got the umbrella open, the JFK Limo had passed by him. That's pure  BS

The Bronson film shows that TUM is standing about where the retaining wall would be, with his umbrella up and open, while the limousine has indeed already passed him by. Did you not look at the still I posted?


There is simply NO WAY the Witt WC Testimony is "perfectly consistent" with his testimony.

1.) There is no "Witt WC testimony." He didn't testify about the assassination until the late 1970s.

2.)Adjusting for that, your sentence says, in effect, "There's NO WAY that Witt's testimony is perfectly consistent with Witt's testimony." Since there is only one "Witt's testimony" it would indeed be perfectly consistent with itself, just as a=a in all cases.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:57:52 AM »

   The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people. You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.
   And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car. The later you put the Harkness 3 Wheel Motorcycle sitting on the Elm St Ext, the LATER you put Harkness & Officer Haygood being filmed together on the Darnell Film Snippet. Far, Far later than the 12:35 Haygood police radio transmission. And, the alleged Officer Haygood was filmed with Roger Craig and Buddy Walthers walking along that entire stretch of train cars before they reach the Officer Harkness check point. How late are you NOW putting Roger Craig and Walthers back inside the train yard? And Walthers was photo'd at 12:39 on Elm St looking around the manhole cover on the (S) side of Elm St. How are you putting Walthers inside the train yard that late, and then having him photo'd at the manhole cover at 12:39? You got seriously conflicting timeline issues. Big time!
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:42:48 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:04:18 AM
Still no evidence the Russians affected the outcome of the election in either 2016 or 2024.

I thought you said the Russians didn't try harder than usual to interfere in our 2016 election?

Did they want Hillary to win?



Libertarians are the worst.

Especially pro-Trump Libertarians.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:30:27 AM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Yesterday at 12:46:19 AM
Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk.


However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film. You're just out of luck here.

    Witt said by the time he got the umbrella open, the JFK Limo had passed by him. That's pure  BS:. Like I said, the Bronson Film was not public knowledge when he testified. This is why nobody on the panel questioned him about the difference between his testimony and the Bronson Film Images. There is simply NO WAY the Witt WC Testimony is "perfectly consistent" with his testimony. It's not even close. And he says, "POSSIBLY standing on the retaining wall." Again, that too is pure  BS:. "POSSIBLY"? And you wanna swear by that? 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Yesterday at 12:46:19 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on March 27, 2026, 11:28:35 PM
   Umbrella Man is standing on the sidewalk. This is why he said something along the lines of, "... just sat down" with respect to sitting on the retaining wall behind him. People such as yourself are simply unfamiliar with just how wide that sidewalk is. When they shut down Dealey Plaza to do the CSI work, they had DPD Cop Cars parked on that same sidewalk. Those cop cars did not hang over the sides of the sidewalk. That Elm St sidewalk is not similar to the one you used to play hopscotch on.
Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk.


However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film. You're just out of luck here.
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