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There's CBS footage of Amos Euins being loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD

I have never seen this footage. I don't believe such footage exists.
I believe you are referring to footage of Brennan being loaded into Sawyer's car.
If I am mistaken, please point me towards this footage.

Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 PM police radio call that he was bringing an eyewitness, (Euins), to the TSBD.

Harkness makes two documented transmissions at 12:36PM

"I have a witness that says that it came from the 5th floor of the Texas Book Depository Store."

"Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository Store and Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."

Neither of these transmissions states that Harkness was "bringing an eyewitness, (Euins), to the TSBD."


I believe you are wrong about the Euin's footage and the Harkness transmission. To my mind this negates your assertion that Mooney entered the TSBD at 12:38PM.
The Allen picture below shows the gates wide open and the time as 12:40PM.
Mooney had not yet entered the TSBD at 12:40PM

   There's CBS footage of Amos Euins being loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD. This same footage also shows the Huge Gates were Closed/Ajar at that same time. Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 PM police radio call that he was bringing an eyewitness, (Euins), to the TSBD. After arriving at the TSBD, Harkness then loaded Euins into Sawyer's car. The loading of Euins into Sawyer's car and the Huge Gates already being closed, would then be 12:37. Officer Luke Mooney gave WC testimony that he and 2 other DPD Deputies closed those gates after finding them to be "wide open". This means that 12:37 timeline also applies to  Luke Mooney and the 2 deputies who closed those Huge Gates. Luke Mooney and the 2 Deputies were then inside the TSBD no later than 12:38.

No federal or local law enforcement officers were on any of the upper floors of the building between 12:35 and 1:10.

This is clearly not the case.
Marrion Baker, along with Roy Truly, reached the seventh floor at approximately 12:35 PM. As the were coming back down to the first floor in the elevator, they stopped on the fourth floor where Baker had a quick chat with Inspector Sawyer. Sawyer had entered the TSBD  around 12;35Pm and made his way up to the fourth floor with another officer and a mystery employee from the TSBD. He had his interaction with Baker on the fourth floor at approximately 12:40PM.
However, both these men were in full uniform and cannot be mistaken with the plain clothed deputy sheriffs Mooney saw on his way up to the sixth floor.
Mooney entered the TSBD no sooner than 12:40PM.
He took the elevator, which stalled on the second floor. He had a quick look around the second floor then made his way up to the sixth floor via the back stairs. It was at this time he crossed the two men coming down the stairs. This took place at approximately 12:45PM.
Mooney went up to the sixth, had a good look around on his own, went up to the seventh floor and helped out there before returning to the sixth floor and walking straight over to the southeast corner, where he discovered the "cubby hole". After alerting other officers on the sixth floor of his discovery, he shouted down to Fritz, who was entering the building at 12:58PM

So who were the two plain clothed deputy sheriffs Mooney encountered around 12:45PM?



This is the report of Deputy Sheriff Jack Faulkner, written up on the day of the assassination.
In it he reports that immediately after the shots he made his way to Elm Street where he was trying to find out what was going on.
He reports that "a small negro boy came up to a Dallas Uniform officer" and told him the shots came from the TSBD. The is is clearly Amos Euins talking to Harkness. This happened BEFORE Harkness radioed in this information at 12:36PM.
Faulkner immediately went to the TSBD where he was met by McCurley, Wiseman and Loraine and they "went to the top of the building and started checking the floors going down from the top in search of the assassin".
They make it to the third floor where they interview some people after which they make their way back up to the building. It is some time after this that Mooney makes his discovery.

It seems that Faulkner, a plain clothed Deputy Sheriff making his way down from the seventh floor, is at least one of the men Mooney encountered. I'm guessing Bill Wiseman was the other.

Tom Graves asked:

"Does it really matter which side of 'the pole' Baker ran? Isn't the important thing the fact that the Storing's Abandoned Getaway Car, a seventeen-and-a-half-foot-long 1958 Pontiac Bonneville -- with its distinctive rocket 'exhaust' delineated by two horizontal lines on the rear panel -- can be seen parked next to the island in several photographic images, including the Darnell clip and, about twenty-five seconds earlier, in the Wiegman clip, and that in the latter it visually merges with a car that may be parked the wrong way on the other side of Elm Street Extension?"

My reply:

It matters to me primarily because I like learning how to interpret the photographic record more accurately. But I agree it seems mostly irrelevant to the discussion we were having before this question arose.

Kerry Thornley's Crazy Interview 

Thornley went off the deep end and started believing all sorts of crazy stuff.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/kerr-thornley-s-crazy-interview