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At least the producers at CBS agreed with me that the first shot didn’t miss.

Nobody agrees with you. That would be silly. They tested only the WC's second shot miss scenario. That scenario requires the first shot to be the single bullet. Since you reject the single bullet theory, that means they didn't agree with you. They came up with their own mistake.

Since they chose the wrong scenario, it's not surprising they would reach the wrong conclusion.
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Nonsense.
At least the producers at CBS agreed with me that the first shot didn’t miss.
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The first shot at 175 feet would be around z208 according to the FBI survey (CE884. It also does not have the oak tree or the street curve.  But it does show how similar all three shots are in terms of rifle position and aim if the first shot was around z208 from a downward angle starting at 21.8 degrees and ending at 15.4 degrees.  The lateral angle isn’t given but it doesn’t change much. 

According to CE883, position A is in the middle of Elm St. intersecting with the extension of the west side of Houston St. just east of the TSBD. At that point the downward angle is 40.2 degrees according to CE884.  A shot at z124 would be close to that 40 degrees making a next shot at z222 a difference of close to 20 degrees. I can’t see even an inexperienced shooter choosing to fire two shots that would require such quick and significant repositioning.

Nonsense.
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That’s an interesting video, thanks Duncan. I don’t think it addresses an early first shot though. (One that would have occurred a few seconds before any of the first shots taken by these participants.) And it also would be nice for a replica sniper’s nest (with the window boxes, etc in their proper places) to be incorporated into the demonstration.

The first shot at 175 feet would be around z208 according to the FBI survey (CE884)..

The CBS reenactment also does not have the oak tree or the street curve.  But it does show how similar all three shots are in terms of rifle position and aim if the first shot was around z208 from a downward angle starting at 21.8 degrees and the third shot at 15.4 degrees.  The lateral angle isn’t given but it doesn’t change much. 

According to CE883, position A that is referred to in CE884 is in the middle of Elm St. intersecting with the extension of the west side of Houston St. just east of the TSBD. At that point the downward angle is 40.2 degrees according to CE884.  A shot at z124 would be close to that 40 degrees making a next shot at z222 a difference of close to 20 degrees. The change in lateral angle from a shot at z124 to a shot at Z222 would be even greater. I can’t see even an inexperienced shooter choosing to fire two shots that would require such quick and significant repositioning.
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During WWII, George DeMohrenschildt just happened to spend a week or more at the DC home of a active duty US Navy officer.

The officer, retired by 1962 as an Admiral, resided in the large DC home he had inherited from his late STEP-father,
a typewriter manufacturer executive credited with perfecting the Japanese diplomatic code breaking machine
John Hurt relied

In 1962, the Admiral was murdered near his home on the Chicago lake front. Robbery was ruled out as the motive,
his assailant was never identified.

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RETIRED ADMIRAL SLAIN IN CHICAGO; Paul Joachim Is Shot by Gunman on Street
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Oct. 23, 1962
CHICAGO, Oct. 22 (AP)--A 50-year-old retired rear admiral resisted an apparent holdup attempt early today and was shot to death in a street near his apartment in the Gold Coast area on the near North Side.

Paul L. Joachim was a 1934 Annapolis Academy graduate. During the Korean War, he was executive officer on the USS New Jersey. He attained the rank of Rear Admiral on the occasion of his retirement. Joachim was shot four times and killed in a presumably still unsolved murder on October 21, 1962, in front of 1350 Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. Joachim was residing at 1400 Lake Shore Drive, in business as an art dealer.

Joachim's mother, Elmina Nance, married Dr. Paul L. Joachim of Washington, DC in 1910. Their other son was Phillip Nance Joachim, later an Associated Press editor. The widowed Elmina Nance Joachim later married Carl A. Joerissen, an Underwood Typewriter Co. executive and design engineer based in the Underwood, DC office. Elmina and Carl had a daughter named Kay, who married attorney and Coast Guard Reserve Lt. CDR William Helvestine in 1944. Helvestine died in a January, 1947, private airplace crash. Helvestine's brother, Albert Harrison Helvestine was the US Navy's patent attorney.

The most interesting details of Paul L. Joachim's background are that his stepfather, Carl A. Joerissen is reported by one source to have been the chief engineer of LF Safford. In 1924, these two men quickly designed and sold the first KATA-KANA typewriters to ONI (aka CSP-62, RIP-5 or Underwood Code Machine "RIP-5").

Laurance F. Safford went on to oversee the WWII US Navy Cryptographers, and he worked with Frank Rowlett to perfect the PURPLE code breaking machinery.

Another curiousity is that Carl A. Joerissen was associated with Gertrude Laughlin Joerissen, a linguist who translated Chinese and Japanese poetry. This Gertrude is not the daughter of US Ambassador to Spain, Laughlin.

The fact that the brother-in-law of Paul Joachim's sister, Kay, was the longtime, US Navy patent attorney is also intriguing. How did George De Mohrenschildt manage to insinuate himself with navy officer Paul Joachim, and Henry C. Bruton? Is it only coincidence that Paul Joachim was murdered in the same general time period that Edwin Walker was shot at, and also when Thomas J. Devine's foreign service brother-in-law went missing and washed up dead, considering that the dead man's brother, Howard Bucknell, III was a Navy submarine commander? Does any of this increase the significance of De Morhenschildt's introduction of Oswald to Henry C. Bruton?

 
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Elmina Nance Joachim Joerissen (1887–1976) was a prominent Washington, D.C. socialite, former actress, and wife of the prominent diplomat Carl Augustus Joerissen. She frequently appeared in the capital's society pages in the 1930s and 1940s and later became a fixture in local amateur theater.She was also the central figure identified by historians in an iconic historic photograph and flag collage, which was famously featured on the Family Tree Magazine platform.

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In 1930 Joerissen swapped his home at 1619 Massachusetts Avenue, Washington DC, for Ross’s house in Paris, on a 15-year lease deal. However, Joerissen’s wife became ill and the couple returned to Washington, where Gertrude died in the Mayflower Hotel in 1933. Joerissen, at the age of 63, remarried the next year and he and Elmina, the former Mrs Joachim (née Nance, 1888-1976), took up residence at 2100 Massachusetts Avenue. Carl adopted his second wife’s children. The Joerissens moved to 6900 Connecticut Avenue, Chevy Chase, just across the district line in Maryland. A $10,000 robbery there in 1938 gives a clue to their wealth: the theft included a mink coat, a silver-fox coat, linen, silverware and jewelry.
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The Education Forum has always created exiles due to its draconian, unaccountable moderation...The members there know what the deal is and knuckle under to the overbearing moderation with sycophancy and obsequiousness...The Deep Politics Forum was formed as a sanctuary to excessive Education Forum moderation...

In my opinion a poster's status should be determined by the quality of his research...This is something that has been corrupted on The Education Forum in to controlling members having their way and giving right of way to their favorites...In my case I accuse The Education Forum of using censorship and banning to avoid the correct evidence on Prayer Man and forcing what they know to be the incorrect evidence...This is so bad that it invalidates the forum...The way the forum deals with this accusation is to ban and ignore those who try to show it...

Former Ed Forum moderator Kathy Beckett and a far-left, Nosenko-loving / Bagley-hating firebwand CT by the name of Michael Clark conspired to kick me out of the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum in May 2018.
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Posted by Lance on another thread....

Alas, par for the course. At the Ed Forum one time, Jimbo asked "Man, what about that Raleigh phone call?" as though there could scarcely be anything more definitively suspicious. This caused me to launch into one of my exhaustive and exhausting factoid expeditions. When I was done, even Greg Parker at his site acknowledged that Lance "sometimes does good work." Did Jimbo miss a beat? Noooo, of course not. He is still asking "Man, what about that Raleigh phone call?" Like way too many CTers, he simply cannot let go of a conspiratorial factoid; everything must point to a conspiracy - nor can he ever acknowledge a mistake. I fortunately have never met him, but people who have, including fellow CTers, tell me he is a pompous, overbearing, bullying ass. I recently read a gossipy new biography of JFK in which the author thanked "acclaimed historian" Jimbo. I just about fell out of my chair - and I'm sure the phrase was provided by the "acclaimed historian" himself.

John Hurt of the NSA's wife, Ana.....
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https://www.nytimes.com/1966/08/09/archives/john-b-hurt-retired-aide-of-national-security-unit.html
Aug. 9, 1966
John B. Hurt, Retired Aide Of National Security Unit
John B. Hurt, retired dean of the linguistics staff of the National Security Agency, died Monday morning of a heart attack. He was 62 years old and lived at 330 Third Avenue.

Mr. Hurt worked for the Government agency when it was the Signal Intelligence Service of the War Department from 1930 to 1963. He was the agency's expert on Oriental languages.

Mr. Hurt is survived by his widow, Mrs. Ana Drittell Hurt, a Russian-born cellist; his mother, Mrs. Anna Hurt of Wytheville, Va.; two sisters and three brothers.
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The Raleigh phone call revisited
Greg Doudna replied to Greg Doudna's topic in JFK Assassination Debate

...one Ana Drittel or Dratelle, whose last name evokes an unusual name used as an alias by Lee Harvey Oswald on his revolver order form: "D.F. Drittal". Oswald wrote a signature of that name represented as that individual's signature, identified by handwriting experts as written by Oswald, as vouching...
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Posted February 19, 2010 (edited)
Just a spooky coincidence, or much more? I'll let Greg and Jim present the background.

For Greg to consider:

"Drittel" or "Drittell"....it is spelled both ways...was the name of a Russian immigrant, a cellist named Ana :
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At least ten years ago, probably more, I was encouraged to join the Ed Forum by one of its members. I did try but was unsuccessful. As best I remember it, I was told they were not accepting new members at the time. Based on some of the comments I've read, that was no great loss for me. I probably would have been too blunt for their liking anyway.
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I was aware of those CBS tests when I made my proposal and I knew they didn't meet the conditions I laid out. They didn't test the problems I pointed out for an early first shot.

The problem with those CBS recreations is they were based on the erroneous premises that the WC concluded the 3 shots were fired in 5.6 seconds and that the WC determined when the first shot was fired. Neither of those premises were correct. In fact, of the scenarios the WC offered, CBS chose to test only the least probable and the most difficult one. They only tested the scenario in which Oswald fired his first shot after JFK cleared the tree, making all three shots being fired down range. A very sloppy piece of journalism by the man once considered the Most Trusted Man in America in collaboration with Dan Rather who I doubt was trusted by many people at all.

A proper test would have tested all the scenarios the WC offered and would have tested several points in time the first shot could have missed. There is no clear consensus among LNs as to how early that missed shot was fired but a sampling of several would have given us an idea as to how plausible some of those scenarios were. Testing an earlier first shot would have demonstrated how difficult an early first shot would have been but only if they also simulated the sash that was only open about a foot. Such a test could have revealed how much Oswald's view would have been obscured by the bottom of the sash, how much he would have had to raise up to fire at a severely veridical angle, and whether the boxes he stacked by the window would have been of any help steadying the rifle for that shot.
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My foray into factoid-checking began because Harvey and Lee said that bank executive Robert Wilmouth had stated that the PMO should have bank stamps, to wit:

The $21.45 money order, according to Wilmouth, should have been stamped and dated by three different banking institutions. But not a single bank endorsement stamp or transaction date appears on either the front or back side of the postal money order. It is clear that postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 was never deposited or cashed by any bank or financial institution.

NOTE: Bank Vice-President Robert Wilmouth was never called to testify before the Commission. Wilmouth most certainly would have pointed out that the money order was never deposited to any financial institution due to a lack of bank endorsement stamps.


This sounds pretty specific and definitive, yes? In my innocence, I simply wondered what Wilmouth had said. I wasn't expecting to find any problem. The statements in H&L were supported only by a footnote to the FBI interview of Wilmouth. I discovered to my astonishment that Wilmouth had said NOTHING WHATSOEVER about bank stamps! You can see the FBI report here: https://harveyandlee.net/Mail_Order_Rifle/Mail_Order_Rifle.html. (Now, incredibly, the H&L site says the interview report was fabricated!)

I raised this problem repeatedly at the Ed Forum and asked what the source of the "bank stamps" claim actually was. As you can read, the silence was deafening. This is me back in 2017:

John Armstrong started all the silliness about the Klein's PMO not having the required bank endorsements.  In Harvey and Lee, he cited to a bank official at the First National Bank of Chicago (named Wilmouth, as I recall) who supposedly said this.  I exposed that the citations were FICTITIOUS.  The bank official never said anything about bank endorsements.  Armstrong's fiction became CT "gospel" and has been repeated throughout the conspiracy literature, apparently without any of these "experts" bothering to check Armstrong's footnotes as I did.  When I pointed out that Armstrong's citations were fictitious, which you can easily confirm for yourself, the non-response was deafening.

NO ONE EVER DID attempt to address this. They just closed ranks and declared me a newbie nuisance. I even went to the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University to no avail. TO THIS DAY, I still don't know where the "bank stamps" nonsense originated!

What an eye-opener this all was! I realized that supposed luminaries like David Josephs and Sandy Larsen were fundamentally crazy and cared nothing at all about accuracy or truth, only about preserving their nutty CT narrative. All because innocent newbie me simply had enough diligence to check one of Armstrong's footnotes. I subsequently saw this scenario play out again and again - some nugget of conspiracy gospel had its origin in little more than thin air but was then repeated and repeated and repeated in the CT community until you were an infidel if you dared to question it. I have yet to check ONE - not ONE - CT factoid that stood up to scrutiny.

When beliefs driven evidence is in the state there's is in, I can't think of anyone as equally unmoored from the facts to help push the beliefs of DiEugenio, Joseph, & Co.
than this one!

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Anna Paulina Luna
....Political positions
2020 presidential election
In June 2022, Luna repeated false claims that the 2020 United States presidential election was stolen, "I believe that President Trump won that election, and I do believe that voter fraud occurred." The previous month, she attended a red carpet event and screening of 2000 Mules, a film that claims to show evidence of widespread electoral fraud in the 2020 election.[58] She authored the 2023 Christian children's book, The Legend of Naranja, which suggests that Biden stole the 2020 election.[59]

Political assassinations
In February 2025, Luna was appointed by Speaker Mike Johnson to lead a House Oversight Task Force on declassification of federal secrets,[60] instigated by president Trump's executive order on "Declassification of Records Concerning the Assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr."[61]  ,,,,

I didn't rush out to view 2000 Mules because the "film maker" behind it is a convicted felon, Dinesh D'Souza, pardoned by a convicted felon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D'Souza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Mules

So now Congresswoman Luna is "looney tunes," huh? Such juvenile polemic is typical of the drivel that you routinely post here.

FYI, Anna Luna has more credibility in her left pinky finger than you have in your entire body.

"Looney tunes" accurately describes your nutty claim that the West lost the Cold War. That's worse than claiming that John McCain won the 2008 election.
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