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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Another sign that interest in the JFK assassination is waning
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:09:14 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 10:49:20 PM
Dear Sonderführer Storing,

I already have, about five times.

Holland doesn't have former Marine sharpshooter Oswald standing straight up while firing his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," and he doesn't have him sitting on a box while firing shots two and three.

D'oh!

Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?

-- Tom

   So you wanna horse around with the sharp shooter dodge? What about the SS Agent Howlett that Max is wheeling around and even has him on the lift eyeballing the signal light support beam with him? That agent physically details the shooter standing/sitting position as well as the box he sat on leaving print(s). I don't mind helping you, but if you are going to try and get slippery with me, well, that goes to character. I don't have the time to mess around with anyone lacking in character. I search for the Whole Truth.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 02:41:59 PM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Today at 05:11:19 AM
I didn't say Darnell was near the TSBD. I said he was positioned both west and south of the TSBD, as can easily be determined from his film. It's position "D" on the image I shared earlier. You will note that I've put Darnell "well inside the railroad yard, close to Harkness, the No Glove Cop, and Buddy Walthers," as you have said yourself.

      Nobody fixes the position of someone back inside the railroad yard by detailing how far that person was from the TSBD. You simply revealed that you were unfamiliar with the newly found Darnell Film snippet. Learning something new is to be valued. It's what you learn after you know-it-all that really counts.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 11:35:53 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 05:49:23 AM
If Barber's photographer was standing significantly to the right of where Wiegman was positioned, and if neither the "Abandoned Getaway Car" nor the light-colored car on the other side of the street were moved between 12:30 and [whenever the photo was taken], the light-colored car on the other side of the street is probably the same one that visually merges so well with the rear part of the "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Wiegman as to lead some researchers to believe it's just one car they're seeing.


The un-cropped image Steve Barber posted shows (from that angle) that vehicle to be essentially under the sixth set of windows from the southeast corner of the TSBD. The Weigman film frame shows another vehicle that appears to be essentially inline (from Weigman’s angle) with the western edge of the opening for the large gates. Here’s a rough sketch showing the two lines of sights and the respective locations of the two vehicles. The black dashed line and black crosshatched rectangle represent the line of sight and vehicle of the image Steve Barber posted. The blue dashed line and blue crosshatched rectangle represent Weigman’s line of sight and that vehicle.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 10:36:34 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 04:39:08 AM
   As you can see in the Wiegman still frame above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.



Judging by the image in which James overlaid his 3D model image with the Weigman image, fedora man does appear to be about 6” further east than he is in James’ model. That’s not enough difference to matter very much. Also, the line of sight I used for my roughly about approximate measurement is based upon the western edge of the opening for the large gates. That edge lines up with roughly about the approximate center of the gap between fedora man and purse lady. That gap is what you referenced when you claimed we are looking at the surface of the Elm Street Extension. However, again, there is roughly about approximately 24-feet of the surface of the island visible before the curb to Elm Street Extension, then beyond that curb is where the Elm Street Extension surface begins.



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 05:49:23 AM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on Yesterday at 09:59:39 PM
I think that the area of the two white-hat officers [with their backs to the camera on the right side of the photo] is reasonably close [to where Wiegman was when he captured "Fedora Man" and Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" / light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension combo].

If Barber's photographer was standing significantly to the right of where Wiegman was positioned, and if neither the "Abandoned Getaway Car" nor the light-colored car on the other side of the street were moved between 12:30 and [whenever the photo was taken], the light-colored car on the other side of the street is probably the same one that visually merges so well with the rear part of the "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Wiegman as to lead some researchers to believe it's just one car they're seeing.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 05:11:19 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 03:57:14 AM
   You are Not describing the new Darnell Film snippet. Darnell is not standing near the TSBD when he films this snippet. He is standing well inside the railroad yard, close to Harkness, the No Glove Cop, and Buddy Walthers.  Please get yourself up-to-speed and then get back to me.
I didn't say Darnell was near the TSBD. I said he was positioned both west and south of the TSBD, as can easily be determined from his film. It's position "D" on the image I shared earlier. You will note that I've put Darnell "well inside the railroad yard, close to Harkness, the No Glove Cop, and Buddy Walthers," as you have said yourself.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 04:46:55 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 04:39:08 AM
As you can see in the Wiegman still frame, above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.

You're wrong, Sonderführer Storing.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:39:08 AM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on Yesterday at 09:53:31 PM


Frankly, I got in an hurry adding the sketched yellow line to James Hackerott’s image and inadvertently shortchanged the eastern most part of the “hook” of the island by 2 or 3 feet. It actually extends a little further east than my sketch shows which was already described as “rough outline”. Here’s the shortchanged sketch again and two images from Wiegman’s film one with and one without the added yellow outline.












As we can see in the above two Weigman film images, the actual easternmost point of the island “hook” lines up with the second brick column east of the gated opening. I was not far enough east with my initial rough sketch.

   As you can see in the Wiegman still frame above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:20:34 AM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on Yesterday at 11:29:30 PM


There is roughly about 24-feet of island surface visible between fedora man and purse woman. There is roughly about 24-feet of island surface visible between the island’s Elm Street curb and the island’s Elm Street Extension curb on Weigman’s line of sight that runs between fedora man and purse lady.”
The line of sight is at such an angle that I will show a rough idea in the following images.

The image below shows the line of sight with fedora man inline with the gated opening behind him. The black arrows are meant to show the space between the island’s Elm Street Curb and the island’s Elm Street Extension curb at this line of sight.





The images below are from the Roberdeau map. The first one shows the (red) line of sight with (red) cross hatches indicating the two curbs referenced above. The (black arrows) distance between the two curbs is roughly 24-feet at this specific line of sight.





The image below is the scale of the map that I used to approximate the distance.



   As long as you continue to rely on that Lego Man visual aid, you will continue to be lost. That thing is a joke/wrong.  For starters, Fedora Man is standing much closer to the Traffic Signal Pole.           

                                                            Go to YOU TUBE and search -

           "Four Days in November" (1964) - David L. Wolper JFK Assassination Documentary        by - LionHeart FilmWorks

      39:58 - 40:05    Gives a very good overhead view of that corner. Fedora Man was standing very close to where you see that man standing near the corner.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 03:57:14 AM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on Today at 12:59:11 AM
RS:  Have you examined the recently uncovered Darnell Film snippet?

Yes. In it, you see that Darnell is standing south and west of the depository when he's filming the crowd on the Elm Street extension. When he does so, you can see a street sign on the S side of the ESX right in front of one of the oak trees that line Elm. That's why the black line locates his position.


RS: The "No Glove Cop" should be on the other side of the dirt road.

No. There is a string of bollards running between the motorcycle cop and Harkness. You see the bollards when the cop walks past them. There wouldn't be a line of bollards placed across a dirt road. You'd also have us believe that there's a car parked in the middle of the dirt road.


RS: Officer Harkness  was across from him on that same dirt road

Also no, and for the same reasons.

   You are Not describing the new Darnell Film snippet. Darnell is not standing near the TSBD when he films this snippet. He is standing well inside the railroad yard, close to Harkness, the No Glove Cop, and Buddy Walthers.  Please get yourself up-to-speed and then get back to me. 
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