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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 02:23:29 AM »
So who actually found the jacket under the car?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum Moderated by Anti-Semitic Crackpot---John Simkin is Aware
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:15:50 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:17:00 AM
PJC

Not that it matters, but I was banned from the (dis) Education Forum for posting that Sirhan fired live rounds at RFK and was not hypnotized. If you care, consult Kirk Gallaway.

True, I was warned or suspended once (I no longer remember which) by the deceased Ron B. for public worrying that the JFKA was "nothing more than a 60+ year snipe hunt."

I am justified in that statement. We still don't know who helped LHO, the actual boots on the ground, if anyone. So...what do we know? We have Jeff Morley dog-whistling "Mossad." Others say Mafia. Ed Landsale-Madame Nhu? CIA? KGB? G2?

Without knowing the boots on the ground on 11.22...we are in a snipe hunt.

I stand by my statement that Willian Niederhut is an anti-Semitic crackpot, suffering from Israel Derangement Syndrome, which he drags into the EF, and tried to drag into this forum as well, but was more or less laughed out of the house.

Neiderhut actually believes that Mossad planted thousands of explosives in the WTC towers, then set up exquisitely timed explosions, to bring the towers down pancake style. Mossad did this in cooperation with the building's owner (who was Jewish) and dozens or hundreds of participants in the Bush Administration who were...of course, doing Israel's work.

If you wish to have a substantive, civil conversation, this is my e-mail: 7continents7@gmail.com

Ten years or so back, the EF was OK, though ideologically left-wing. That is fine, libertarian, left, right, socialist, I don't care.

Something else has seeped in the EF-JFKA now. The bulk of EF posts concern modern politics, invariably always left-side (or not worse). Really, how much anti-Trump juvenalia can you read? (No, I am not a Trump fan. But I can read anti-Trump stuff anywhere. I want to read about the JFKA and related topics).

LN'ers are no longer much tolerated even in substantive threads.

I hope the EF can find its way forward. It seems in permanent decline.

Anyone who is a JFKA conspiracy theorist (other than, possibly, "the KGB encouraged and/or programmed Oswald in the USSR") is, at the very least, a "useful idiot."

Anyone who supports Donald Trump is, at the very least, a "useful idiot."
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 01:56:20 AM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Today at 01:16:11 AM
Except of course when the witness' name is Earlene Roberts, right?

But let's see if you want to play. We know from Marina that Oswald had two jackets; one grey one and one dark-grey one. The latter was found at the TSBD and thus must have been the jacket that Oswald was wearing on Friday.

According to Frazier, Oswald was wearing a grey jacket on the trip to Irving on Thursday.

So, how could the grey jacket have been at the rooming house in Oak Cliff on the next day?

When you figure it out, let me know!

Very near the Tippit crime scene, Oswald was seen entering a carpark and his jacket was found under a car, the jacket was initialled by various law officers and the FBI forensic examiner, to maintain a chain of custody.

The jacket was filmed at the scene and this jacket was positively identified by his wife.



Stombaugh confirms his initials on evidence was designated by his initials PMS.

Mr. EISENBERG. "PMS" being your initials, Paul M. Stombaugh?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir.



Mr. RANKIN. 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Sort of a jacket?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

JohnM

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Would Oswald have been convicted?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:48:19 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:26:29 AM
TG-

You are incorrect that I conclude there was a JFKA CT.

I suspect there was.

Yes, the GK smoke-and-bang show suggests someone conspired with LHO, who I suspect was the TSBD6 sniper.

The smell of gunsmoke was heavy in DP in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, but the breeze was blowing from the Third St. Overpass to the TSBD. So LHO's M-C was not the source of that gunsmoke.

The entry wound to the dorsal (wristwatch) side of JBC's wrist is inexplicable---so said JBC's surgeon, Dr. Shaw. The doctor had worked on 700 wartime bullet-shot victims. 

Yes, it appears to me JBC is shot ~Z-295. Do the math.

So we are on different pages on this one.

So what? That is what a forum is for.

LBJ wanted to, and nearly did, entirely suffocate investigations into LHO's KGB-G2 ties.

No nuke war with Russia...a reasonable-enough caution.

The problem is, only three shots were fired, the first shot missed everything half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming, and the second shot struck both JFK and JBC at approximately Z-222.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 01:46:09 AM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 01:24:23 AM
You hit the nail on the head.
As soon as Frazier heard the shots, he instantly knew it was Oswald, when Frazier went back inside the Depository he went to eat his lunch all alone in the basement? WTF?
Then after he left in the early afternoon, Frazier went to visit his Stepfather in Hospital?
Then we have Linnie Mae Randle's initial confession to the FBI that the package was three feet long, almost the same size as the one in evidence, how would she know the size of some random paper bag with Oswald's prints which was found in Oswald's sniper's nest?







JohnM

You did a judo move on me LOL. That’s NOT exactly what I meant about Frazier being scared

I think he was scared in 63/64 initially and went along with the idea the bag must have contained the rifle.

But NOW , in 2026 Frazier said he does NOT think the bag contained a rifle. He has not changed his mind AGAIN has he?

It’s a leap imo to conclude Frazier instantly knew Oswald was the shooter. Unless you are agreeing with Tom the Gravedigger that Frazier is an accomplice?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / LN and CT Rigidities
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:41:21 AM »
After decades of mostly fruitless research, even primary research into the JFKA, and participation in forums, I have come to some conclusions...not about the JFKA, but the JFKA research "community."

The vast majority of CT'ers rigidly insist LHO was entirely and completely innocent of the JFKA. They even hold to LHO's total innocence if they posit the JFKA was a CIA plot, and LHO was a long-time CIA asset or agent living in house at time run by the CIA asset Ruth Paine.

Why not assume, if the CIA waxed JFK, then LHO was a part of the plot, even if later LHO was made into a patsy and then murdered?

No!

It is chiseled into granite: LHO was only packing book-boxes on 11.22, in fact was on the street or somewhere at the time of the JFKA, and after the JFKA he went home and got a gun...oh, well never mind.

On the other side of the coin we have the LN'ers: LHO could only have acted alone. Absolutely. No other explanation is even possible!

This despite statements even by WC members that they were not satisfied with the WC results.

The third way (and my way!)---that LHO was part of a small JFKA plot, not connected to other powerful entities (except possibly tangentially) is not tolerated by either LN'ers or CT'ers.

So it goes.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 01:26:54 AM »
One other thing, the palm print in the bag was NOT found at the bottom of the bag. WRONG.

The palm print was in the MIDDLE of the bag. And that’s the main PROBLEM because Linnie Mae Randel said Oswald was holding the package at the TOP  with just one hand , while Frazier saw the BOTTOM of the package in the cupped hand of Oswalds right hand.

So …if the package contained an 8lb rifle ,  2 palm prints at top and bottom of package  should have been found given how much force the paper was pressed against the hand.

It’s possible SOME % of evaporation could have happened over a 3 hour period but it’s hard to believe 100% did, without even a trace of prints at the bottom and only 1 small tip of a finger print at the top?

But the probability of prints 100% evaporating diminishes even more when considering the  many times that Oswald probably touched that bag while he carried the rifle in it.

1.From Paines garage to Fraziers car
2.From Frazier car to some hiding place in the attached annex warehouse ( because Jack Dougherty did not see anything in Oswald’s hand when Oswald came thru the TSBD rear door)
3. From warehouse ground floor up to 7th floor to be assembled
4. From 7th to 6th floor at about 12:15 if Oswald was the man that Arnold Rowland saw at the SW window.
5. From where ever on 6th floor Oswald temporarily hid the rifle after he left the 6th floor to go back down to 2nd floor lunchroom to be seen by Carolyn Arnold at 2:16 or 2:17.
6. From the  hiding place to the SE window when Oswald returned to 6th floor after Bonnie Ray Williams left the 6th floor by 12:23.

So there are possibly 6 times at least that Oswald carried the 8lbs rifle in the package and yet there was just this one palm print in the middle of the package and one little itty bitty tip of a finger print at the top of the package.

And the number of times Oswald touched the paper while making the bag, folding and unfolding the bag, taping the bag ( didn’t even trap some print between tape and bag?) makes this an incredible amazingly mystery bag that all prints except just one palm print and the little finger top print evaporated 100%.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Would Oswald have been convicted?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:26:29 AM »
TG-

You are incorrect that I conclude there was a JFKA CT.

I suspect there was.

Yes, the GK smoke-and-bang show suggests someone conspired with LHO, who I suspect was the TSBD6 sniper.

The smell of gunsmoke was heavy in DP in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, but the breeze was blowing from the Third St. Overpass to the TSBD. So LHO's M-C was not the source of that gunsmoke.

The entry wound to the dorsal (wristwatch) side of JBC's wrist is inexplicable---so said JBC's surgeon, Dr. Shaw. The doctor had worked on 700 wartime bullet-shot victims. 

Yes, it appears to me JBC is shot ~Z-295. Do the math.

So we are on different pages on this one.

So what? That is what a forum is for.

LBJ wanted to, and nearly did, entirely suffocate investigations into LHO's KGB-G2 ties.

No nuke war with Russia...a reasonable-enough caution.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 01:24:23 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 12:10:24 AM
Or was Frazier still a very scared young man in 1964 who had just a year earlier been thru an interrogation with Fritz where  Frazier thought Fritz was about to strike him in the face.?

You hit the nail on the head.
As soon as Frazier heard the shots, he instantly knew it was Oswald, when Frazier went back inside the Depository he went to eat his lunch all alone in the basement? WTF?
Then after he left in the early afternoon, Frazier went to visit his Stepfather in Hospital?
Then we have Linnie Mae Randle's initial confession to the FBI that the package was three feet long, almost the same size as the one in evidence, how would she know the size of some random paper bag with Oswald's prints which was found in Oswald's sniper's nest?







JohnM

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum Moderated by Anti-Semitic Crackpot---John Simkin is Aware
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:17:00 AM »
PJC

Not that it matters, but I was banned from the (dis) Education Forum for posting that Sirhan fired live rounds at RFK and was not hypnotized. If you care, consult Kirk Gallaway.

True, I was warned or suspended once (I no longer remember which) by the deceased Ron B. for public worrying that the JFKA was "nothing more than a 60+ year snipe hunt."

I am justified in that statement. We still don't know who helped LHO, the actual boots on the ground, if anyone. So...what do we know? We have Jeff Morley dog-whistling "Mossad." Others say Mafia. Ed Landsale-Madame Nhu? CIA? KGB? G2?

Without knowing the boots on the ground on 11.22...we are in a snipe hunt.

I stand by my statement that Willian Niederhut is an anti-Semitic crackpot, suffering from Israel Derangement Syndrome, which he drags into the EF, and tried to drag into this forum as well, but was more or less laughed out of the house.

Neiderhut actually believes that Mossad planted thousands of explosives in the WTC towers, then set up exquisitely timed explosions, to bring the towers down pancake style. Mossad did this in cooperation with the building's owner (who was Jewish) and dozens or hundreds of participants in the Bush Administration who were...of course, doing Israel's work.

If you wish to have a substantive, civil conversation, this is my e-mail: 7continents7@gmail.com

Ten years or so back, the EF was OK, though ideologically left-wing. That is fine, libertarian, left, right, socialist, I don't care.

Something else has seeped in the EF-JFKA now. The bulk of EF posts concern modern politics, invariably always left-side (or not worse). Really, how much anti-Trump juvenalia can you read? (No, I am not a Trump fan. But I can read anti-Trump stuff anywhere. I want to read about the JFKA and related topics).

LN'ers are no longer much tolerated even in substantive threads.

I hope the EF can find its way forward. It seems in permanent decline.




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