JFK Assassination Forum

I would say the first visible sign of Connally in distress occurs at Zapruder Frame 223.

As well as a slight change in Connally's Facial expression, and Irrespective of Zapruder's Camera Jitter, you can see the gap space between his Jacket Lapel and his Neck Tie increase dramatically.

I think trying to read facial expressions with such a low resolution camera, even when the frames are enlarged, is an exercise in educated guessing. The movement of the shoulders at Z225 is a bit more pronounced but that could be the physical force of the bullet or it could be a reflexive response. Either seems plausible to me. JBC had started rotating his torso back toward the front just before the single bullet struck so his shoulders were already in motion when we see the dip at Z225. What is clear is that we see both men's arms start moving upward at Z226. I have no doubt this is a reflexive response to the single bullet. JBC's right arm continues in a rapid up and down movement that lasts for 9 frames, about a half second, before it disappears below the side of the car. I don't know how anybody can look at that and conclude anything but it being a reflexive response to the bullet hitting his wrist, especially given it is the same frame JFK's arms start upward.

That's not correct, John. Governor Connally's first visible signs of distress occur in Z225 (facial distortion; his mouth opens; and, most significant, the flinching shoulders--a surefire "reflex action" to an external stimulus).

I would say the first visible sign of Connally in distress occurs at Zapruder Frame 223.

As well as a slight change in Connally's Facial expression, and Irrespective of Zapruder's Camera Jitter, you can see the gap space between his Jacket Lapel and his Neck Tie increase dramatically.

JC-

Thanks for your comments.

Even if we ignore Jackie K's reaction, we see JFK at Z-226, obviously struck:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z226.jpg

JBC is sitting bolt upright at Z-226. JBC's testimony is the shot that struck him in his back pushed him forward.

I will run with JBC's version of what happened to himself on this one. Witnesses can be in error, we all know that.

But JBC remembering receiving a blow in the back and getting pushed forward...that seems basic.

Hard to tell when JBC was struck, and the exact orientation of his torso. I concede all of that, which is why i say about Z-295. Might be later. The second gunsel was perhaps not in the TSBD.

JBC getting struck ~z-295 also lines up with many witnesses who heard a "bang.....bang-bang" cadence.

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We are on different pages on this one, but that happens in JFKA discussions.

I respect your views, I just disagree.

Yes, JFK was hit by Z226. In fact, that is the moment he reacted by suddenly raising both arms. What you ignore is that is the same frame JBC suddenly flipped his right arm upward. What do you suppose caused him to do that. Was he anticipating getting shot. It seems quite a coincidence to me that both men would suddenly flip their arms upward simultaneously if they had not both been hit by the same bullet.

You are not going with JBC. He thought he was hit about Z230. He apparently bases that guess on seeing the reaction he remembers making upon being struck, which was a cognitive reaction. His involuntary reflexive action happened quicker and began a few frames earlier. He had no memory of flipping his arm upward. I think I remember reading somewhere that JBC didn't even know his wrist had been shattered until he came out of surgery, although I don't remember the source for that.

    The above presents absolutely nothing to refute what I have proven. It is physically impossible for both Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34 PM. We are Not seeing Motorcycle Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film.
    The above claims this impostor was, "easy to find". If this were the case, why am I the only person to Ever discover that this charlatan was masquerading as a DPD Motorcycle Officer?
     Regarding a narrative that fits this impostor, it's "crowd control". If you notice, the impostor paralleled Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig. He steadily stayed between them and the string of train cars. We can Not see inside those train cars. The train car windows do not permit seeing inside the passenger train cars from the outside. Do we know specifically what was inside each of those train cars following the kill shot? Have any of you seen any images of the inside of those train cars after the kill shot? I haven't. I also have Not seen any images of the other side of this string of train cars either. And, the top of those passenger train cars is a very high ground position relative to Elm St. And, Zapruder and Bill Newman reported shot(s) being fired from behind them. The string of passenger train cars were behind Zapruder and Bill Newman. A possible high ground firing position from inside the railroad yard was posed by Josiah Thompson when he interviewed Sitzman in 1966.

Regarding a narrative that fits this impostor, it's "crowd control". If you notice, the impostor paralleled Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig.

Let me get this straight, the "imposter" Motorcycle Police Officer hung around and helped local law enforcement, and essentially did the job of a Police Officer? It's wonderful that this "imposter" was trained to do the job of a Police Officer!

He steadily stayed between them and the string of train cars.

Now you're going off at a completely tangent, how does this tie into the "imposter" doing his Police duties and helping the Sheriff's Deputies do "crowd control"? Or are you saying that five minutes later which was more than enough time for your "train car assassins" to escape, that the "imposter" was guiding the deputies away from the train cars?

We can Not see inside those train cars. The train car windows do not permit seeing inside the passenger train cars from the outside. Do we know specifically what was inside each of those train cars following the kill shot? Have any of you seen any images of the inside of those train cars after the kill shot? I haven't. I also have Not seen any images of the other side of this string of train cars either.

But didn't the three tramps come from a railyard boxcar, which means that not long after the boxcars were searched?







BTW, when I said provide a narrative, I meant a plausible narrative, you know like the official narrative which is supported by a Mountain of Evidence where a Lone Nut simply took his rifle to work and killed the President!

JohnM 

Royell is part of the old guard and has been studying this case for many decades and since he and his clan have not found even a sliver of evidence for conspiracy, they are now reduced to making outlandish claims on whatever morsel they can find.

But here, at the end of the day, having an "imposter" officer parading around nearly five minutes later while wearing a helmet which sticks out like dogs proverbials goes where exactly?
What narrative actually fits an easy to find "imposter" suddenly turning up and taking off a glove and still walking around five minutes later? It's absurd!

JohnM

    The above presents absolutely nothing to refute what I have proven. It is physically impossible for both Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34 PM. We are Not seeing Motorcycle Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film.
    The above claims this impostor was, "easy to find". If this were the case, why am I the only person to Ever discover that this charlatan was masquerading as a DPD Motorcycle Officer?
     Regarding a narrative that fits this impostor, it's "crowd control". If you notice, the impostor paralleled Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig. He steadily stayed between them and the string of train cars. We can Not see inside those train cars. The train car windows do not permit seeing inside the passenger train cars from the outside. Do we know specifically what was inside each of those train cars following the kill shot? Have any of you seen any images of the inside of those train cars after the kill shot? I haven't. I also have Not seen any images of the other side of this string of train cars either. And, the top of those passenger train cars is a very high ground position relative to Elm St. And, Zapruder and Bill Newman reported shot(s) being fired from behind them. The string of passenger train cars were behind Zapruder and Bill Newman. A possible high ground firing position from inside the railroad yard was posed by Josiah Thompson when he interviewed Sitzman in 1966.