JFK Assassination Forum

    The above has absolutely Nothing in quotations and/or sources being cited. The above provides not 1 iota of Proof/Evidence. None. What we see above is the babbling "recollections" of the author. And it is being done in a panic response to my having Proven that it is physically impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34 PM by Darnell.
    In response to my having proven that Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness could not be filmed together, we now have: (1) The above ramblings of a man in sheer panic mode, and, (2) a very respected JFK Assassination researcher suddenly claiming that Officer Haygood actually made 2 separate trips deep inside the railroad yard with the 2nd trip being filmed by Darnell.
    An MLB pitcher is judged by the reaction of the hitter. I ask that the erratic responses to my evidence based Conspiracy Discovery also be judged in this same manner.

The above has absolutely Nothing in quotations and/or sources being cited.

If you've "done the research" as thoroughly as you claim to, then you'd easily be able to engage with what I'd written without me needed to quote each and every thing. Your continuing inability to do so is far too revealing.


The above provides not 1 iota of Proof/Evidence. None.

It provides more evidence than you've ever offered. But you should know that having "done the research," right?


In response to my having proven that Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness could not be filmed together, we now have: (1) The above ramblings of a man in sheer panic mode,

I'm not panicking. I should say, I'm not the one panicking here.

 
An MLB pitcher is judged by the reaction of the hitter. I ask that the erratic responses to my evidence based Conspiracy Discovery also be judged in this same manner.

An MLB pitcher is judged by his stats, especially his ERA. And Coach won't even let you into the dugout, much less onto the field.

That 6.6 secs estimate is for the Z190-Z313 shots in the hypothetical 3 shot sequence that Andrew proposes. If the avg Z- film speed is 18.5 frames/sec and 313-190=123 frames then 123/18.5=6.649 secs.

There was ONE of the CBS time trial shooters ( an OLD guy like me ) who managed to score 3 hits on the easy to see red human shape on a large black square that was moving on a white track clearly visible and where no tree was an obstacle and where the shooter could set up with rifle pointing out the window before the target started moving. And he managed to score 3 hits in about 5.6 seconds on his first attempt.

So there’s that LOL.

I believe the average for the Z-film was 18.3 fps, but let's not quibble.

I have no idea why CBS tried to shoehorn the shooting into a 5.6 second time frame because that was never a conclusion of the WC. They allowed for that possibility but never said that's what happened. In short, CBS screwed the pooch when they did that exercise.

What can I say, you got me, because of my split personality I need to view this site through two different perspectives, hence the reason I regularly log in my alter ego and even though I haven't posted for 7 years as support for my own posts I still have an undeniable need to have his name in the recently logged in members, just to mess with you!
Whereas all your sock puppets who while posting were the most angry fanatical JFKA posters the World has ever seen, but suddenly lost all interest after their sock puppet status was discovered and ALL of them, every single one fell off the face of the Planet, Hmmm, how about that!?

JohnM

It's amazing that you decided to comment. If Baxter had no relationship with you, there would have been no reason for you to comment. But then, your ego gets in the way, doesn't it. You have to comment if you want to or not. It's compulsory for you.

So, yes, you got caught!

And no, you didn't regularly log in your alter ego (nice of you to admit it is indeed your alter ego), you had him show up after seven years at the exact moment that his name came up in the discussion! I had forgotten about him. But you, as the obsessive savant will carry this crap all your life and take it to your grave and that's just sad.

Whereas all your sock puppets who while posting were the most angry fanatical JFKA posters the World has ever seen, but suddenly lost all interest after their sock puppet status was discovered and ALL of them, every single one fell off the face of the Planet, Hmmm, how about that!?

Thank you for exposing your obsession yet again. Why don't you get it through your thick skull that nobody except you is interested in this crap?  It says more about you than about me.

This is a physics issue. Lungs expand to draw air into the lungs because they are in a sealed low pressure pleural cavity. If the seal is breached and air is allowed to flow into the pleural cavity, the lung will collapse. If there is a hole from the back to the pleural cavity and a hole from the front, there are two pathways for the pleural cavity to draw air. There is nothing obstructing the back/right armpit prior to about z280.  That's not forensic science. That is you interpreting what you think has happened in equivocal parts of the zfilm.

Well now we have the layman's opinion on the medical evidence.
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Not even the WC went as far as to say they could tell when the first two shots occurred. In fact, they had a whole section that explained all the various possibilities that they considered.
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The WC had a little bit more than 6 months to study the Z-film. We have had 6 decades to study it and the advantage of modern enhancement technology to breakdown the Z-film. I have no doubt that the WC would have come to the same conclusions had they had these same advantages, but they didn't so the best they could do was give us parameters. Those parameters have proven to be valid. They said JFK was hit twice by two bullets fired 4.8 and 5.6 seconds apart. That is correct. It was actually about 4.9 seconds. They told us the single bullet was fired between Z210 and Z225. That is also correct. I feel quite confident in saying it was fired at or about Z220, striking at or about Z222. They said the missed shot could have been the first, second, or third shot. That is true. It was the first shot.

Studies have shown (Loftus, Eyewitness Testimony) that witnesses are quite accurate and complete in recalling details that more than 50% of the witnesses recalled. For details that were not as easily noticed, they are still likely to be more than 50% accurate and complete.  In this case, many people recalled three shots, that JFK reacted to the first and that the last two were close together.  Here is the chart from Loftus, Ch. 3 (p. 27):

Maybe Charles Brehm and JFK did not react before z193 because there had not been a shot. That would fit with Betzner, Croft, Linda Willis, Phil Willis, Mary Woodward and another dozen or so witnesses along Elm St.

I guess JFK suddenly raising hsi hand up in front of his throat beginning at Z226 was just a mirage.

And maybe Clint Hill did react to the first shot. He said he did.

He thought he did.

 
He said he stepped off the car after hearing the first shot and seeing the President react.

he thought he heard the first shot. He actually heard and reacted to the second shot. That's why he only heard one more shot, the head shot, after he realized JFK had been hit.

He said later during an interview at the Sixth Floor Museum that he was told by others in the car that the second shot happened after he leapt off the running board but he did not hear it, possibly because he was along side of the QM engine.

So you're willing to buy they he did't hear the second shot but you can't accept the idea he didn't hear the first shot. I find it far more probable that he didn't hear the first shot because of the roar of the four escort motorcycles accelerating out of the sharp turn onto Elm St. that that he didn't hear the second shot because the QM engine roar. Which of those two choices do you think would produce the most noise?
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He said he heard the third shot and saw its effects.  So, according to Hill, he recalled the first and last shots.Witnesses are most often corroborated by other independent witnesses.
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I find forensic evidence to be far more compelling corroboration than other fallible witnesses.

If 20 people independently recalled JFK reacting to the first shot, you might want to explain the probability that they independently recalled that and independently failed to see JFK continue to smile and wave for several seconds...

Probably similar to the probability that a large group of witnesses got the source of the shots wrong. One large group said all the shots came from the direction of the GK and a slightly smaller group said all the shots came from the direction of the TSBD. We know both groups can't be right. We could just go with the larger group that said the shots came from the GK or we can use the forensic evidence to determine which group got it right. If we apply that methodology toe the Z-film, the witnesses who said JFK and JBC were both hit by the second shot are corroborated. We see JBC reacting to the sound of the first shot at Z-164  that he was adamant did not hit him.  We see JBC and JFK simultaneously and suddenly flipping the hands upward at Z226. Are we supposed to believe that sudden upward arm movement is just a coincidence?

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So why do you think JBC did not turn his head rearward if he was trying to look at JFK?  He never turns to face the rear. I can't find anywhere before z230 where he attempts to look over his shoulder.  That requires turning one's face relative to one's shoulders. I can turn my head more than 90 degrees.  He didn't try to turn it at all relative to his shoulders.
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By Z230 he had already been hit and reacted to the bullet strike. I seriously doubt he was still trying to see if JFK had been hit. You are wrong that he never faced the rear. Which way is he facing in this frame:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z268.jpg

He was turned enough that he could have seen JFK but had no memory of that because he was reacting to his own devastatating wounds.

You have correctly identified one of the problems with Andrew's misguided beliefs in that JBC suddenly flipped his right arm upward at Z226 which is the same frame that JFK's arms started moving upward. Coincidence? NAH!!!

I don't know how you concluded 3 shots were fired in 6.6 seconds.

That 6.6 secs estimate is for the Z190-Z313 shots in the hypothetical 3 shot sequence that Andrew proposes. If the avg Z- film speed is 18.5 frames/sec and 313-190=123 frames then 123/18.5=6.649 secs.

There was ONE of the CBS time trial shooters ( an OLD guy like me ) who managed to score 3 hits on the easy to see red human shape on a large black square that was moving on a white track clearly visible and where no tree was an obstacle and where the shooter could set up with rifle pointing out the window before the target started moving. And he managed to score 3 hits in about 5.6 seconds on his first attempt.

So there’s that LOL.