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This whole discussion is a perfect example of CTs trying to find significance in the most insignificant things. They have no real evidence that anybody except Oswald took part in the crime so they think if they can come up with some unexplained event, that proves conspiracy. It is a completely illogical approach, but this is all the CTs have after 62 years.
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When people are looking at a famous person in a parade, they don't look at the person sideways, the turn their face directly towards them.

A reasonable observation. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for most people in Dealey Plaza to see Jack and Jackie up close. Who is going to look at them in their peripheral vision? But Andrew is so desperate to save his silly theory that he'll come up with anything.
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You weren't able to understand the post? If you cannot figure out if Graves was right at Z124 or were you at Z150 or whatever it is, what does that say about the evidence of an early missed shot in general.

Go away, troll.
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Geesh, that's quite a fantasy you've manufactured there, Brian. Has anybody purchased the movie rights yet? After all, make-believe wild fantasies like the one you've spun in your above post are sometimes big box-office hits. Good luck.

An AI movie?  Great suggestion, David!  Would be cheaper than what a one raff sink sunk into his movie about the towpath murder of Mary Pinchot may she rest in peace. Ever seen it? omg…


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In Tom Graves Land every time someone turns from one side to the other that equates to a missed shot? So, how many missed shots were there from the airport to Dealey Plaza? I would bet the KGB knows how many missed shots there were along the route.

Dear Jack "Ignoramus" Nissan,

Between Z-140 and Z-150, five people in the limo, three Secret Service agents in the follow-up car, and running girl Rosemary Willis turned their heads rapidly in response to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124."

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Not to be the bearer of bad news but it was a motorcade parade with people on both sides of the street. The SS and members of the parade are supposed to turn from side to side. Maybe you did not know that.

Dear Jack "Ignoramus" Nessan,

Jack Ready's job was to keep an eye on JFK, not to lean over and move his head around like a bobblehead doll.

To see if JFK was okay after Oswald's first shot, Glen Bennett had to look around Dave Powers in the jump seat. That's what we see Bennett doing starting around Z-150.

One would think George Hickey's job didn't entail his bending over as though he was barfing, but that's what he did (bend over like he was barfing) starting around Z-145.

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Where are the quotes about an early missed shot to go along with your witness list. Not one of those people in the post stated there was an early missed shot. They had no problem identifying the two shots that were fired.

Both Ready and Hickey said the first shot sounded like a firecracker.

John Connally recognized it as a high-powered rifle shot.

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The nature of your post would indicate you think Corbett is completely wrong with his early missed shot scenario. Was there more than one missed shot on just Elm Street?

Dear Jack "Ignoramus" Nessan,

The important thing is that Oswald's first shot was early and it missed everything.

D'oh!
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Lovelady was Shelley's partner...During HSCA Lovelady lied to Jarman and planted the disinformation that he saw Oswald exit through the front door of the Depository...Lovelady did this because Shelley had played a key role in getting Oswald around police detainment at the front door after Oswald was told to step aside and wait...Shelley assisted Oswald out the rear Loading Dock exit to assist Oswald on his way to his next CIA assignment and to keep him from being held by the police...Shelley ID'd Oswald to the cop who was detaining him and gave him the OK as an employee...Shelley told the un-named cop that he was Oswald's superintendent...The cop remained un-named during the Warren Commission to keep Shelley's obvious knowledge of who Oswald was from being known and to cover-up Shelley's assisting him - which would blow the whole conspiracy and evidence that Shelley knew who Oswald was and helped him escape detection...Lee had accidentally stumbled down the front SE stairs and in to the Lobby when Harvey was at the other end...That is what caused Harvey to panic and try to leave through the front door...The cop saw this desperation and stopped Harvey...Shelley saw what was at stake and intervened...The Commission deliberately avoided investigation of all this or even naming the cop because they understood how dangerous it was towards exposing the conspiracy...Lovelady tried to plant disinformation with Jarman that he saw Oswald exit through the front door in order to cover all this up...The plotters were worried HSCA would uncover all the above so they used Lovelady for yet another lie about the front steps...HSCA never pursued Lovelady to ask him why he never told this before during the original investigation...The reason they didn't pursue Lovelady is because they didn't want to open the Pandora's Box I just detailed above...Two of the most important figures in the conspiracy, Lovelady & Shelley, were on the front steps...Now posing himself as a mortal threat to the conspiracy Lovelady died shortly after...This cracks the case and The Education Forum and its "Moderation Team" (DiEugenio gang) are keeping it off the forum at all costs...

Geesh, that's quite a fantasy you've manufactured there, Brian. Has anybody purchased the movie rights yet? After all, make-believe wild fantasies like the one you've spun in your above post are sometimes big box-office hits. Good luck.
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So please tell us where her eyes are looking and how you know this when we cannot see her face.

When people are looking at a famous person in a parade, they don't look at the person sideways, the turn their face directly towards them.
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I guess we can add one more item to the ever growing list of silly things you have had to convince yourself of in an effort to make your cockamamie theory seem plausible. It's not working.
So please tell us where her eyes are looking and how you know this when we cannot see her face.
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I'll leave it to Tom Graves to defend his scenario.
Thanks for that observation, Captain Obvious.
You continue to deny that most of the earwitnesses heard 3 shots. There is no reason for them to identify one of them as an early shot. To them, there was a first, second, and third shot. 
You really show how bad you are at reasoning with statements like the above.

You weren't able to understand the post? If you cannot figure out if Graves was right at Z124 or were you at Z150 or whatever it is, what does that say about the evidence of an early missed shot in general.
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I doubt you could spell "cat" if we spotted you the "C" and the "A".

You only need the Zapruder film to conclude there was an early missed shot. Nothing else. How could there be two interpretations of it. Is Graves better at interpreting the film than you? Please tell me, I want to believe. The fictional world you are residing in is maybe better than the real world.


Whatever few doubts I've had about you being an obnoxious troll just vanished. You aren't here to argue points. You are here just to be a pain in the Bahookie. That is one skill you have which is undeniable. You tell me I can't comprehend witness statements. Here are the sworn statements from the three TSBD employees who were right below Oswald when he fired the shots.

From Harold Norman. First from his affidavit.
"Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and several seconds later I heard two more shots. I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I also could here the bolt action of the rifle. I saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me."

From his WC testimony:
"Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. NORMAN. Three."

I guess his answer was too complex for you to understand.

From Junior Jarman's WC testimony:
"Mr. BALL. After the motorcade passed, what happened?
Mr. JARMAN. After the motorcade turned, going I don’t believe you have looking at the photo- west on Elm, then there was a loud shot, or backfire, as I thought backfire.
Mr. BALL. You thought it was what?
Mr. JARMAN. A backfire or an officer giving a salute to the President. And then at that time I didn’t, you know, think too much about it. And then the second shot was fired, and that is when the people started falling on the ground and the motorcade car jumped forward, and then the third shot was fired right behind the second one. "

So tell us. How many shots did Junior Jarman just describe?

Lastly, Bonnie Ray Williams WC testimony:
"Mr. BALL. Now tell us what happened after the President's car had passed your window.
Mr. WILLIAMS. After the Presidents car had passed my window, the last thing I remember seeing him do was, you know--it seemed to me he had a habit of pushing his hair back. The last thing I saw him do was he pushed his hand up like this. I assumed he was brushing his hair back. And then the thing that happened then was a loud shot--first I thought they were saluting the President, somebody even maybe a motorcycle backfire. The first shot--there was two shots rather close together. The second and the third shot was closer together than the first shot and the second shot, as I remember."

How many shots did Williams describe?

I have just cited the three witnesses who were closest to the shots and were less affected by the noise from the motorcade than anybody on the ground. All said three shots. It has occurred to me that I have never seen you quote a single witness. You just lie about what people have said. That convinces me you are here for one purpose only. To troll.

Go away, troll.

I doubt you could spell "cat" if we spotted you the "C" and the "A".


Nice, you are now quoting Dallas Cowboy Linebacker Hollywood Henderson.

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You made this big proclamation about these three witnesses being insulated from all the noise and in the end, you could not have found three worse witnesses to support your fantasy theory. Not one of them even remotely hints at an early missed shot. Is this why you shy away from witness statements. The embarrassment of not being able to comprehend what they state.

Do you read their statements at all or even possess the most basic understanding of the assassination.

Harold Norman stated JFK slumped after the first shot. How is that in keeping with an early missed shot.

Mr. NORMAN. "I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something,"

James Jarman states the third shot took place after the car accelerates. If you are capable of doing the math, where is there an early missed shot in his statement. Here I will repeat your post for you, maybe this time you will actually read it instead of looking for the words three shots.

Mr. JARMAN. A backfire or an officer giving a salute to the President. And then at that time I didn’t, you know, think too much about it. And then the second shot was fired, and that is when the people started falling on the ground and the motorcade car jumped forward---Here I will help, he was describing the headshot.


Bonnie Ray Williams stated in both his 11/22 Sheriffs Affidavit and his 11/23 FBI Affidavit that there were only two shots. There it is again from an eyewitness, two shots once again being stated by an eyewitness. Maybe believe him.




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