Can you see the oblong-shaped, kinda vertically aligned flesh-colored object about the size of a football in the passenger's side back-seat of the Secret Service Follow-up car in Z-150 and Z-153?

Hint: That's Glen Bennett's face, and it's leaning much farther over to his right in Z-153 than it was in Z-150.

Why?

Because he was trying to see around Dave Powers in front of him to see if JFK was okay after Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot, at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

PS Note that Secret Service Agent George Hickey, opposite Bennett in the back seat, leaned over the side of the car and looked down at the pavement (he evidently thought a firecracker had exploded there), in Z-150 and especially in Z-153.

I acknowledge that the blurry flesh colored shape is Bennett. What I don't concede is that it shows him leaning. He might be starting to lean given that it is about 1/4 second after he would have heard a shot at the Z147 mark, but I wouldn't present that as evidence he has started to react. Unless you can provide blow-ups of the pertinent frames, I don't see how you can conclude anything about his position during the sequence in question. It's all in the eye of the beholder, like those who see an image of a cop firing a rifle in the Moorman Polaroid picture.

This is monkey-brain illogic and silliness. Good grief. CE 399 supposedly shattered the right distal radius bone, one of the strongest bones in the body, after supposedly smashing at least 4 inches of rib bone while traveling faster than the speed of sound in both cases. And you comically, childishly compare this to a car sliding sideways into a single obstacle, a guard rail no less. A retarded teenager wouldn't float such an absurd, bogus analogy.

I'll try to dumb this down for you as best I can. Two similar objects striking different objects in different ways at different velocities are going to sustain dissimilar damage. 

The other half of your analogy is just as bad and silly. A tree is many, many times stronger than skull bone, and no car is constructed even remotely similarly to an FMJ bullet, nor is any car going to hit a tree while traveling faster than the speed of sound.

I dumbed it down as best I could for you. If you still don't understand, find a 5th grader to explain it to you.

You simply refuse to face the fact that in every single SBT wound ballistics test ever done, even tests that were rigged as much as possible in the SBT's favor, the test bullets either were unable to do the required damage or emerged with much more deformity than CE 399.

You also simply refuse to face the fact that bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged with the same damage as CE 399 or with more damage than CE 399, and that even bullets that merely transited 12 inches of ballistics gelatin, without hitting rib bone in the process, either failed to leave the wrist bone with enough energy to penetrate the simulated thigh or failed to leave the wrist bone at all.

You continue to operate under the ridiculous premise that a shooting can be perfectly replicated.

You keep falsely assuming that the bullet that hit Connally's back was tumbling when it struck, even though you know this is false from the modest width of the back wound and from the narrow wound path through Connally's chest. You won't admit any fact that refutes you theory.

If the bullet that hit JBC's back was not yawing, it would not have produced the elongated wound that it did. If it had not struck JFK first, it would have produced an entry wound similar to JFK's back wound.

The fact that Connally's entry wound was only 1.5 cm wide indicates the bullet hit at a slightly horizontal angle. If the bullet had been markedly yawing, the entry wound would have been much larger, which is why all of your fellow SBT believers who claim the bullet hit while markedly yawing misleadingly cite the post-surgery size of 3.0 cm for the wound. And if the bullet had been tumbling through Connally's chest, it most certainly would have created a much wider wound path than the narrow path that Dr. Shaw described.

Slightly horizontal? Is that like being slightly pregnant?

In another reply you said, "The flattening on one side of the base is an indication the bullet struck a hard object, probably the wrist bone, while traveling sideways." Really? Well, if CE 399 supposedly hit the wrist bone while traveling sideways, how is it that the entry wound on the wrist was only 2 cm long? CE 399 is 3.04 cm long? Huh? 

Because it was not perfectly perpendicular to the flight of the bullet. Not a hard concept to grasp for most people.

You have zero evidence that "this is exactly what happened." You have no test evidence. You have no forensic evidence. You have no eyewitness evidence -- indeed, Connally himself adamantly insisted that he and JFK were hit by separate non-fatal bullets and that he was not hit before Z229. You have no photographic evidence -- indeed, the Zapruder film proves to anyone not legally blind or brainwashed that JFK was hit long before Connally was hit, and that Connally was not hit until Z234. You have nothing but ridiculous speculation that was cooked up by a WC lawyer in order to avoid having to admit there was more than one gunman, and that speculation was so specious that even three of the seven members of the WC rejected it.

There is ample forensic evidence and test evidence to support the SBT.  As for an eyewitness, would you expect there to be a witness who said "I saw the bullet that left JFK's throat and it went right into Connally's back."?

JBC rejected the SBT because he knew he had been hit by the second shot and he had been led to believe JFK had been hit by the first shot. He had no direct knowledge whether JFK had been hit by the first or second shot.

You have spent several days now doing nothing but waffling, ducking, dodging, and lying around the fact that we know from long-established forensic science that FMJ bullets will never, ever, ever shatter into dozens of tiny fragments after penetrating skull bone, much less "shear off" small fragments into the outer table of the skull upon penetration. The WC's own head-shot wound ballistics test confirmed these facts, as we see from the released x-rays of the skulls from the test. The Failure Analysis head-shot wound ballistics test also confirmed this fact -- indeed, in the Failure Analysis test, not a single one of the FMJ bullets even fragmented after striking skull bone.

A true scientist would never say never, especially given the small sample size available. To the best of my knowledge, the JFKA is the only case study available as to what a 6.5 x 52mm Carcano bullet do upon hitting a human skull.

 

You've also danced and ducked around the fact that every expert who has commented on the velocity of the bullet indicated by the skull damage has said the bullet was traveling at a high velocity. The Clark Panel said this. The Rockefeller Commission medical panel said this. The HSCA FPP's report assumed that the ammo fired at JFK was high-velocity ammo (e.g., 7 HSCA 175). Two of the HSCA FPP's radiology experts said high-velocity ammo was sued. Dr. Fillinger, Dr. Wecht, Dr. Robertson, among other outside experts, have said this. You can't cite a single expert who has said the massive skull damage was not done by high-velocity ammo, but the alleged murder weapon was not a high-velocity rifle.

For that to matter, there would have to be an accepted definition of what constitutes a "high velocity" round. Do you know of such a definition? The average muzzle velocity of a 6.5 x 52 mm round fired ffrom a Carcano Model 91/38 rifle is 2265 fps. That is at the low end of the range of a 7.92 x 57 mm Mauser round and lower than a .30-06 fired from a Springfield rifle or M-1 Garand. The latter two typically have muzzle velocities of around 2800 fps. The muzzle velocity of the Carcano is almost double that of most handgun ammo. Whether the Carcano rifle is a high velocity weapon or not depends on what one considers to be high velocity. 

For any newcomers to this thread, the core problem here is that the ammo that hit JFK's head shattered into dozens of tiny fragments while also depositing small fragments on the rear outer table of the skull, depositing two fragments just behind and above the right orbit at the other end of the skull, and depositing one lone fragment on the left side of the skull, as seen in the JFK autopsy skull x-rays. The skull x-rays show a large cluster of 30-40 tiny fragments, often described as a "lead snowstorm," in the right-frontal region.

However, we know from forensic science that FMJ bullets will never, ever behave like this, that they will never fragment like this. I will once again quote world-renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Vincent DiMaio, who pointed out that if an x-ray shows numerous tiny fragments, this rules out FMJ ammo; and that on the "rare" occasions when FMJ bullets do fragment when striking skull bone, they will only leave a "few" fragments:

An x-ray of an individual shot with a full metal-jacketed rifle bullet . . . usually fails to reveal any bullet fragments at all even if the bullet has perforated bone such as the skull or spine. If any fragments are seen, they are very sparse in number. . . .(Gunshot Wounds, p. 166)

In x-rays of through-and-through gunshot wounds, the presence of small fragments of metal along the wound track virtually rules out full metal-jacketed ammunition.. . . In rare instances involving full metal-jacketed centerfire rifle bullets, a few small, dust-like fragments of lead may be seen on x-ray if the bullet perforates bone. One of the most characteristic x-rays and one that will indicate the type of weapon and ammunition used is that seen from centerfire rifles firing hunting ammunition. In such a case, one will see a 'lead snowstorm'. . . . Such a picture rules out full metal-jacketed rifle ammunition or a shotgun slug. (Gunshot Wounds, p. 318)

You continue to operate under the ridiculous premise that all FMJ ammo behaves the same way. The only case studies that are relevant are ones involving a 6.5 x 52mm round fired into a human  skull. Do you know of any such case studies or is the JFKA the only one we have?

Garbage.  There was no Ukraine/Russia war under Obama.

Are you for real?  Having TDS is bad enough.  Selectively deleting from history events that you do not like are another level of delusion.  Russia invaded and occupied Crimea (an important part of Ukraine) in 2014 when Obama was president.  There was no extended conflict only because Obama refused to provide Ukraine with any meaningful assistance for fear of becoming involved in a war with Russia.  In contrast, Trump has provided Ukraine with extensive weapons systems that have allowed them to extend the current conflict.  Obama completely capitulated to the Russians in 2014:

"Obama later defended the administration's approach, noting that the situation in 2014 involved a heavily Russian-speaking region where Moscow had historical and cultural sympathizers. The administration sought to avoid escalating the conflict into a broader proxy war while maintaining cooperation on other geopolitical issues."

Why doesn't forum member Gary "Two Head Shots" Aguilar ever participate here?

(AKA "Mr. Rudeness Personified")

Is he here just to spy for the KGB?

(LOL)

BD-

Yes, and I am still banned from the EF-JFKA too, evidently for posting comments that Sirhan Sirhan fired live rounds at RFK and was not hypnotized.

My conversation style is always collegial.

That said, Iler may be mollifying the Old Guard while moving the EF-JFKA to a better place.

The sad EF-JFKA current events posts, which devolved into Trump TDS juvenalia, anti-Semitic crackpot-ism and endless partisan blue-red pissing wars, are being moved to backwater locations, so the EF-JFKA can more focus on the JFKA.

If I ever am re-instated, I will petition Iler on your behalf.

No forum is perfect (though this forum is really good). No one needs the EF-JFKA.

In fact, the EF-JFKA badly needs readers and a broader audience. They are talking to themselves at present, and have alienated many over the last year.

I hope Iler can bring the EF-JFKA to a better place.