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And I continue to ask, "Why are you here[, John Corbett]"?

Dear Royell,

He's here to "own" the Libtard CTs.

Why are you here?

Because Vladimir Putin sent you here to cause social discord?

--Tom
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JM-

Thanks for your collegial comments (it is pleasant to have a conversation about the JFKA, rather than catcalling).

You are correct; FBI lab guys did cut some cloth from hole in the rear of JBC's shirt to test for metallics. If I recall correctly, this happened again during the HSCA. So the original hole was actually smaller, and even more-indicative, of a non-tumbling bullet.

Dr. Shaw would also say he thought the bullet hole in JBC's back was a puncture type wound, but delivered at a downward angle, leaving an "ovoid" wound shape. That original shape was nearly obliterated by "debriding the wound" when they cut away dead tissue. 

This "debriding" left the larger wound scar, which some incorrectly assumed was the result of a tumbling bullet.

But hey, just IMHO.

At bottom, I have reasonable doubts about nearly every explanation of the wounds received 11.22 by JBC and JFK. Including my own favored scenario.
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  This "human shields" stuff is pure propaganda. We almost never see footage of what is going on inside Iran, and then all the sudden, we see film footage of alleged "human shields". None of the news services post the source of this film footage, they just run it. It's propaganda and the News Media spreads it across the USA. This includes FOX News. The foreign influence/$$ inside the USA runs extremely deep.

Dear Royell,

Maybe the evil, evil "Deep State" / evil, evil "Administrative State" faked it, just like it / they did with all of the JFK assassination films, photos, and X-rays!!!

-- Tom
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    John - Thanks for taking the time to give this Unknown Motorcycle Cop your attention. Your going out of your way to examine it reveals the importance of this issue.
              As I understand your post above, the Darnell Film still frame showing Walthers, Harkness, and HAYGOOD together, is happening when Haygood went to secure the dock, the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. And, you are claiming we are seeing HAYGOOD, Walthers, and Harkness together, AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle parked close to the Triple Underpass. 
              With respect to your claim above, you have forgotten the Darnell Film still frame showing HAYGOOD, Walthers, & Harkness together is the END of Darnell's filming of the string of passenger train cars. When we first see the Alleged HAYGOOD on this Darnell passenger train cars snippet, HAYGOOD is standing at the very END of the string of passenger train cars. We also see Walthers in front of him at this same time. From the END of this string of passenger train cars, we then see Haygood walking alongside these passenger train cars. Haygood is filmed walking past passenger train car by passenger train car. And Walthers is also walking in front of him. (Both Darnell and Martin film this). The walking along the string of train cars goes on until both Haygood and Walthers reach Harkness. All 3 of them are then filmed together. When we 1st see HAYGOOD on the Darnell Film, he is standing in front of the very last passenger train car. At this point, Haygood is far closer to the grassy knoll, the picket fence, and the parking lot, than he is to the "northeast corner" of the TSBD. If as you claim, we are seeing HAYGOOD going to secure the TSBD "Northeast Corner" dock area after making his 12:37 radio transmission, why is Haygood deep inside the railroad yard and closer to the Triple Underpass than the TSBD "Northeast Corner" loading dock? The TSBD "northeast corner" loading dock is close to Houston St. The Darnell Film shows Haygood being halfway across Dealey Plaza and deep inside the railroad yard. He is not close to TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock. Again, your claim is that we are seeing Haygood in this location AFTER he made his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle that was parked at the Elm St curb close to the Triple Underpass. Darnell filmed Walthers at that last passenger train car, after Walthers climbed over the picket fence, crossed the parking lot on the other side of the picket fence, and then went back inside the railroad yard. Do you believe this is how Haygood got back inside the railroad yard after making his 12:37 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb near the triple underpass? Do you believe Haygood climbed over the picket fence, or he climbed over the Triple Underpass AGAIN? And why would Haygood take this route if his intended destination was the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock? This route to the TSBD loading dock makes no sense.
               On top of that, with Walthers being filmed with Haygood AFTER Haygood made his 12:37 radio transmission, you also have a timeline issue. Walthers was photo'd on the (S) side of Elm St checking out the manhole cover. In the background of that photo is the TSBD Clock. It reads 12:39. You have to get Walthers in this (S) Elm St position by 12:39.  None of this fits.
               If Haygood intended to go to the TSBD "Northeast corner" loading dock, (near Houston St), AFTER making his 12:37 radio transmission, why was he filmed by Darnell deep inside the railroad yard, close to the grassy knoll, picket fence, parking lot?         

The distances being travelled were not very far, you make out like they were trying to climb Everest!

By taking the following path from Haywood's bike to the first time he's seen in Darnell, is at the most about 60-70 yards.



And the distance for Walthers to basically walk down and cross the road was about the same. If the time stamp was less than 12:37 then we might have trouble but every established event happened in chronological order and with enough time between to account for travelling!



Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.


And as seen everyone was walking with some pace, it wasn't a Mother's meeting, they all were trying to find something, anything! But alas there was nothing to be found because all the action happened on the 6th floor of the TSBD and this is supported by ALL the evidence from the ballistic evidence through to the medical evidence.



JohnM
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JM--

BTW, the tumbling theory SBT is entirely dead, and I am the man who killed it.

I found this photo of Gov. JBC's assassination-day shirt:



At: https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

A small round hole in the rear of JBC's shirt. Like a direct shot, no? A tumbling bullet did not make a small round hole in JBC's shirt.


Thanks Ben, I looked into this and researched what happens to fabric when acted upon with a bullet because at face value something didn't add up, for a start the hole appears to be square and the dimensions of the hole exceed the size of a 6.5 mm Carcano bullet and on either side of the hole, the fabric was excessively ragged.

Then as they say in the classics, corroborated evidence is some of the best evidence, so I went back to Dr. Gregory's testimony where he says that the bullet entrance was linear and perhaps 3/4 of an inch long and looking closely at the higher quality image of Connally's shirt it became immediately apparent that the shredding started at a point which corresponds with the approximate size of the actual wound, now we are getting somewhere.
So next I investigated the properties of fabric after a bullet passed through and as I posted, in every example the hole was far less than the diameter of the bullet and in each case we see the familiar shredding as seen on Connally shirt. Ergo the bullet struck Connally's shirt while the bullet was yawing.

Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.












JohnM
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  This "human shields" stuff is pure propaganda. We almost never see footage of what is going on inside Iran, and then all the sudden, we see film footage of alleged "human shields". None of the news services post the source of this film footage, they just run it. It's propaganda and the News Media spreads it across the USA. This includes FOX News. The foreign influence/$$ inside the USA runs extremely deep.
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More of the typical crackpot fare in the (dis) Education Forum It is a bottomless pit of fecal matter.

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Important to whom? Maybe you haven't noticed but our country is at war, there is a critical midterm coming up that will decide control of Congress, and dozens of issues Americans care a hell of a lot more about than anything that goes on in this and a handful of other forums. If you were to put a number on the percentage of people who still care about the JFKA, how many zeros would there be to the right of the decimal point?

  And I continue to ask, "Why are you here"?
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JM--

BTW, the tumbling theory SBT is entirely dead, and I am the man who killed it.

I found this photo of Gov. JBC's assassination-day shirt:



At: https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

A small round hole in the rear of JBC's shirt. Like a direct shot, no? A tumbling bullet did not make a small round hole in JBC's shirt.

Again in a nutshell, JBC says the shot that struck him pushed him forward.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

In addition, both JBC and his wife testified: first shot hit JFK, then JBC turned to look, began to turn forward, second shot hit JBC, and third shot hit JFK. All that happens in the run-up to ~Z-295.

Then we have testimony of Dr. Robert Shaw, JBC surgeon who had worked on 700 military war-time gunshot victims. Shaw thought the shot that had struck JBC likely was unimpeded by anything (straight shot). 

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Shaw.pdf

Shaw also found inexplicable the wound to the dorsal (wristwatch) side of JBC's wrist, as confirmed by Dr. Gregory (Connally's wrist surgeon). In other words, the bullet entered JBC's wrist about where a wristwatch face would be, and exited the dorsal (opposite) side. Try holding your wristwatch face in front on your navel to get an idea of some problems presented by this awkward scenario.

Anatomical Implausibility: Shaw expressed doubt (to the HSCA) regarding how a single bullet could transition from the Governor's chest into the dorsal (back) side of his wrist, suggesting it would be anatomically difficult for the Governor to have held his arm in such a position.--AI

Like others, I have looked at the Z-film many times.  I just do not see any sign that JBC is in severe pain after in the frames following Z-222-225. He may look startled, or he may look like nothing.

However, JBC indisputably makes a 180-degree in his seat to look for JFK after Z-225, around Z-265.

So, if JBC was struck by the same shot that struck JFK, he then made a 180-degree turn in his seat...after being shot through the chest, and having his right wrist shattered and a slug burrowing into his left thigh. That is the SBT contention. 

For me, that does not hold water.

Then, we have the "bang....bang-bang" sequence most earwitnesses heard. That lines up better with my scenario.

The shot to JBC's wrist remains a curiosity--a shot from the GK? I don't know.

PS. This is a picture of the exit hole in JBC's assassination-day jacket. The bullet did not exit through the lapel.



Hey, just IMHO.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions









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