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You wanna swear by this Agent, but you then manipulate his timing of the shots. Cherry Picking through the statement of an eyewitness is an immediate DQ.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

Bennet said he experienced the following in this sequence:

1) Heard "a firecracker"

2) Started looking at the limo

3) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back

4) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back of the head


You have a problem with that?

-- Tom
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.

Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.

“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”

The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.

I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.


Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg

  You wanna swear by this Agent, but you then manipulate his timing of the shots. Cherry Picking through the statement of an eyewitness is an immediate DQ.
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What the hell do you know about forensic science?

Is this supposed to be some kind of answer to the point that forensic science tells us that FMJ bullets will never, ever shatter into dozens of fragments after striking skull bone and that on the "rare" occasions when they fragment at all they will leave only a few fragments?

I actually know quite a bit about forensic science. Unlike you, I've taken the time to read a number of handbooks on forensic science, such as Vincent DiMaio's Gunshot Wounds, Malcolm Dodd's Terminal Ballistics, DiMaio and Suzanna Dana's Handbook of Forensic Pathology, and Russell Fisher and Charles Petty's Forensic Pathology: A Handbook for Pathologists, along with many articles on bullet behavior. 

It's just this simple: If JFK's head had been hit by FMJ ammo, the autopsy skull x-rays would only show a few bullet fragments, just as we see in the released x-rays of the skulls from the WC's head-shot wound ballistics test. If FMJ ammo had hit JFK's head, the autopsy skull x-rays would not show a cluster of dozens of tiny fragments. If FMJ ammo had hit JFK's head in the rear, the autopsy skull x-rays would not show any fragments embedded in the rear outer table of the skull. Not on this planet anyway.

Finally, it is worth noting once again that in your whacky theory of the shooting, two FMJ bullets hit JFK, with one of them emerging virtually undamaged, with its lands and grooves intact, and with a loss of no more than 4 grains of its substance after allegedly penetrating seven layers of skin, smashing 4-5 inches of rib bone, and shattering a distal radius bone, while the other one shatters into dozens of metal particles, leaves a number of measurable fragments, and produces two sizable fragments after transiting a human skull.



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:59:49 AM »
Why do you read every head movement during the time in question to be a reaction to a gun shot?

"The time in question" is very short: the half-second between Z-140 and Z-150.

What's interesting is that all five of the passengers (JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman) in the limo start turning their heads quicky during that half-second.

Given that, plus what we see Glen Bennett, George Hickey, and Rosemary Willis doing during that same "time in question" and the fact that Elsie Dorman, standing about thirty feet away from Oswald on the fourth floor, involuntarily stopped filming twice -- 0.12 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming, and again at Z-228 -- it's logical to assume that they were all reacting, consciously or otherwise, to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot.
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.

Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.

“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”

The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.

I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.


Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg
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.Kamp is a liar...

As Royell correctly points out, you really are all over the place.
You constantly discredit Kamp yet your identification of Lovelady in Darnell is based solely on his work.
One minute you're saying that conspirators made Shelley lie then you're saying Shelley is one of the conspirators!
You constantly insist the man on the steps is Molina, when the man isn't wearing a white shirt and Molina specifically testifies that he had no interaction with anyone on the steps.
Take a deep breath and have a little think about the evidence.

   I continue looking forward to your fleshing out your theory that Shelley/Lovelady entered the TSBD through the front door. That's an original concept and does answer many timeline issues.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 11:41:39 PM »
It is one thing for 44 witnesses not to immediately recognize a sound as a gunshot. It is quite another thing for all 44 to continue failing to realize the first loud noise was a gunshot after realizing that the next two similar loud noises were gunshots. That is absurd.

   Maybe the shot #1 sounded different than shots #2 and #3? Different guns?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 09:59:30 PM »
What a sh3t interpretation of witness testimony.
What a waste of everyone's time.
Why did you even bother with such a crass and childish post?

And this from the Nutter who bases his whole opinion about this issue on a single witness.
#hypocrisy
#stupidity
It is one thing for 44 witnesses not to immediately recognize a sound as a gunshot. It is quite another thing for all 44 to continue failing to realize the first loud noise was a gunshot after realizing that the next two similar loud noises were gunshots. That is absurd. 
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I guess you simply lack the capacity to understand how absurd and pitiful this argument is. You just don't seem to realize that you are waving aside the known facts of forensic science regarding the behavior of FMJ bullets and are instead clinging to erroneous assumptions that are refuted by those facts.

What the hell do you know about forensic science?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 09:51:21 PM »
A seemingly innocuous detail from the testimony of Ronald Fischer gave me a potentially new insight into the mind of the assassin in the moments immediately before the assassination.
Other researchers have the assassin stood up, firing into the street below him, bullets ricocheting off traffic light poles or firing through the oak tree, blasting through branches of the tree and other such nonsense - as if the assassin hadn't already decided exactly what he was going to do beforehand and was instead just taking random potshots as the Presidential limo passed by the TSBD.

This is the relevant passage from Fischer's WC testimony:

"And I looked up and I watched the man for, oh, I'd say, 10 or 15 seconds. It was until the first car came around the corner of Houston and Main. And, then, when that car did come around the corner, I took my attention off of the man in the window and started watching the parade. The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn't watching-uh---he didn't look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Ell Street. And--uh--all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he never-he never moved anything. Just was there transfixed."

Fischer only looks away from the assassin because the motorcade has finally reached the end of Main Street.
In the 10-15 seconds he stares at this man, the assassin never looks to where the motorcade is coming into view. For that whole period of time the assassin stares in the direction of the triple underpass, he never moves his head, never moves his body, just stares towards the triple underpass - "transfixed".
What is it that the assassin is staring at?
Why does he seem uninterested in the motorcade?
What could possibly be of interest to the assassin down towards the triple underpass when his target, in the motorcade, is about to come into view in a matter of seconds?

In my opinion, it is the word "transfixed" that provides the key to understanding what is going on in the mind of the assassin.
He is visualising the kill zone.
He has already decided exactly where he is going to assassinate his target.
As he looks towards the triple underpass he is aware of the oak tree but is more focused on the stretch of open road just beyond the oak tree. He has already decided that once the limo has emerged from behind the oak tree and is out in the open, he will pull the trigger.
The first shot does not occur before the limo has reached the oak tree.
It does not occur while the limo is obscured by the oak tree.
It occurs when the limo has emerged from behind the oak tree and is out in the open stretch of road just beyond the oak tree.
The open stretch of road the assassin has been transfixed on as the motorcade reaches the end of Main Street.
In perfect agreement with the first shot at z222/223 I've been arguing for in the bulk of this thread



Above is the view from the SN window the assassin was staring at, "transfixed".
As far as the assassin is concerned there is only one feature of interest - the open stretch of road beyond the oak tree.
It is at this point the limo will be moving almost directly away from him, with minimal lateral movement.
It makes perfect sense that the assassin has already made up his mind regarding his plan of action.
The idea that he starts taking random potshots as the limo passes the TSBD won't fly. The idea that he is rushing so much he needs to fire through the oak tree won't fly.
Look at the picture above, if you were the assassin, when would you pull the trigger?

Taking the earlier difficult shot gave Oswald an extra chance to hit JFK. He  could still be able to take the easier later shots if he missed which he did. It could be argued that by taking the early first shot, he could have cost himself a chance at the later shots, but that didn't happen. That was a decision Oswald had to make and the fact someone else might have made a different choice proves nothing. Given that Oswald eventually succeeded in what he was trying to do, I see no reason to second guess his choice.
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