JFK Assassination Forum

  There has always been very little known about the Elm St. Extension. Just ask yourself how many 11/22/63 images are there of the Elm St Ext? And it runs directly passed the TSBD front door. The same goes for the Rail Road Yard that the Elm St. Extension grants entrance/egress. How many 11/22/63 images of the Rail Road Yard are there? We do have the Darnell Film showing Officer Roger Craig walking across that string of passenger train cars back there, but what exactly was behind that string of passenger train cars? I am still waiting on the Sixth Floor Museum to release the concluding half of the Darnell Film. It's been over 1 yr since they released the Darnell Film opening :20, and not a peep has come out of them since. That Darnell Film final half not only contains the previously mentioned Rail Road Yard footage, it also shows that Phony DPD Motorcycle Cop that has been passed off as being Officer Haygood for 62+ years. That "One Glove Cop" is not Haygood. And where is this "One Glove Cop" last seen heading on the Darnell Film? Straight down the Elm St Extension toward the "wide open" Huge Gates/TSBD.   

Of course I have seen that document and I quote often from it in my last book.

So what?

The HSCA took little interest in Nagell. They had NO interest in having him testify.

Just as the ARRB realized that the Nagell story was ridiculous.

The CIA may have isolated some stuff related to CIA offices, etc., but they had nothing to hide about Nagell.

Have you read my book?

fred

I’ll cheerfully admit, I have no interest in, or patience with, TG’s Boris-and-Natasha Spy vs. Spy KGB Boogeyman posts that I loosely characterize as his “KGB stuff.” For those who share my non-interest, here FWIW is an interesting 15-page article that nicely summaries what it’s all about and how wacky it is:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/JAMES%20J.%20ANGLETON%2C%20ANATOL%5B15725929%5D.pdf

To anyone actually interested in TG’s KGB stuff, this article is surely familiar – but to those who share my non-interest it’s a short, readable and authoritative orientation to the topic. Oddly, Google returns few citations, and I don’t find it discussed on JFKA forums at all.

It was published in the December 2011 edition of Studies In Intelligence, which is a peer-reviewed academic journal on intelligence published by the Center for the Study of Intelligence within the CIA. The journal contains both classified and non-classified articles. Since this was approved for release in 2019, I assume it was originally classified (or perhaps it’s just this version with the reviewer’s annotations and redactions that was classified).

It is entitled “James J. Angleton, Anatoliy Golitysn, and the ‘Monster Plot’: Their Impact on CIA Personnel and Operations.” The apt description before the title is, “A Fixation on Moles.”

The author is Barry G. Royden, who worked for the CIA for almost 40 years and was the Director of Counterintelligence from 1998 to 2000. He later taught counterintelligence at the Department of Defense’s Joint Military College. (He's also in the Bradford (CT) Sports Hall of Fame!)

The gist of the piece is that Angleton was possibly even more obsessed with the KGB than TG. Royden explains that Angleton was convinced of a “vast, complex  Communist conspiracy” that had been in operation for decades, with the KGB as a fantastically capable “10 feet tall” Superman, “head and shoulders ahead of the CIA in the intelligence profession,” with its tentacles everywhere, specifically in the form of moles throughout the U.S. and allied intelligence communities. What Angleton called the Communist “Master Plan” came to be derisively referred to as the “Monster Plot” within the CIA by those who saw the damage Angleton’s paranoia had done.

TG will now explain to us (well, not to me, but to those who read his obsessive posts) how Royden was in fact a KGB stooge and how Tenant Bagley (whose book Spy Wars is briefly mentioned in the article) was the real deal. I’m sorry to post this since it will inevitably set TG off on one of his rants, but I did stumble upon it while waiting in Room 247 at Langley for my annual performance review and found it worthwhile.

Jeff Morley has this to say about the Russian files on the JFKA:

The Russian government’s dossier on the assassination of JFK, entitled “The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy and Soviet-American Relations,” includes an extensively footnoted analytical article summarizing the contents. The author, Andrei Artizov, is the deputy chairman of the editorial board and also serves as head of Russia’s federal archival agency, Rosarkhiv.

Entitled “Introduction to the Published Documents,” it places the dossier in historical context and accounts for 15 of the 386 pages of the document supplied to Rep. Anna Paulina Luna on Oct. 14. (The entire original Russian language dossier is now available on the Nation Archives website.)

Artizov editorializes about the JFK assassination dossier to the extent of touting the resolution of differences between ideological enemies in times of perceived crisis, in this case at the height of Cold War nuclear tensions. The unstated analogy of that episode with the current U.S.-Russian standoff over Ukraine is palpable.

The essay sings the praises of Soviet leaders at the time of the assassination for their helpfulness toward U.S. authorities investigating the crime. The Kremlin’s accommodating stance included an agreement that both sides would limit press reports attributing the crime to ideologically driven elements. The U.S. government discouraged publication of articles blaming international communism; the Soviets preventing press reports that attributed JFK’s murder to extreme right-wing forces in America.

In other words, it appears that in the investigation of JFK’s assassination, both sides prioritized comity and accord in U.S.-Soviet bilateral relations over truth.

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Maybe Morley is right about that, although trusting anything from Russia...well, not a good idea.

It is beyond debate that Hoover had settled on LHO as a LN within 48 hours (or less), and that LBJ had ordered up the WC to posthumously prosecute LHO as an LN.

LBJ did not want a nuke war, and who can blame him?

While left-wingers have construed all this to mean that globalist-MIC-elite conspiracy theories and explanations were suffocated, in fact LHO's links to anyone, foreign or domestic, were downplayed. Including those to G2 and KGB.

See below an old Guardian article on two State Dept'ers who thought there were connections between LHO and Cubans. Both guys were soon off the beat.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/22/jfk-documents-could-show-the-truth-about-a-diplomats-death-47-years-ago#:~:text=The%20reasons%20for%20the%20suicide,Photograph:%20Courtesy%20of%20Cynthia%20Thomas

JFK documents could show the truth about a diplomat's death 47 years ago
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Family of Charles Thomas are pleading with Trump to release papers they say show his 1971 suicide stemmed from officials wanting to shut down effort to reopen JFK investigation

Charles Thomas was a rising star at the state department in the early 1960s, a career diplomat who had served across Latin America and Africa. His colleagues were convinced he would earn the rank of ambassador. They agreed that the tall, jut-jawed, preppy, handsome Thomas – described by colleagues as “the diplomat from central casting” – adored his wife Cynthia and two young daughters.

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But then something went horribly wrong. In 1971, at the age of 48, Thomas killed himself.

The death certificate showed that on Monday 12 April, at about 4pm and in the second-floor bathroom of his family’s rented home on the banks of the Potomac river in Washington, Thomas lifted a gun to his head. Cynthia, downstairs, thought the boiler had exploded.

The reasons for the suicide were not a complete mystery. Thomas had been despondent after he had been denied a promotion two years earlier and forced out of the state department. In the 1960s, the department had an up-or-out policy – diplomats were either promoted or they were “selected out”, to use the department’s Orwellian term.

For Cynthia and the rest of the family, the nightmare was compounded months later by a terrible discovery – Thomas had been “selected out” in error. A clerical mistake had apparently cost him his cherished 18-year career.

According to the department, Thomas was denied a promotion because part of his personnel records, including a glowing job evaluation from the embassy in Mexico, had been accidentally misfiled. The family received a formal written apology, signed by Gerald Ford. Congressional outrage led the state department to overhaul its promotion system.


But now, four decades later, Thomas’s widow and others say they are convinced they are still being denied the full truth about what put Thomas on a path to killing himself. In that cause, they are pleading with Donald Trump to release classified documents from the National Archives.

The documents are long-secret government files about – of all things – the assassination of John F Kennedy.

‘True nature of the Kennedy assassination’

The Thomas family acknowledges that theirs is a bizarre and complicated story. But they are convinced – with good reason, given what they have discovered – that if Thomas’s personnel records were misfiled it was intentional, and that it was never the real reason for his firing.

They are certain that Thomas lost his career – and ultimately his will to live – because senior officials were determined to shut down his persistent, unwelcome and ultimately fruitless effort to reopen an investigation of JFK’s murder.

There is a long paper trail. Documents released to the public show that during a posting in Mexico in the mid-1960s, Thomas came across evidence that showed Lee Harvey Oswald – who visited Mexico City in September 1963, weeks before killing Kennedy – had been in contact there with Cuban diplomats and spies who wanted JFK dead and might have offered help and encouragement.

In internal memos not made public until years after his death, Thomas told supervisors such information from Mexico could undermine the findings of the presidential panel that determined in 1964 that Oswald acted alone. In one memo, Thomas warned that the Mexico information “threatened to reopen the debate about the true nature of the Kennedy assassination and damage the credibility of the Warren report”.

For historians, Oswald’s trip to Mexico has never been adequately explained. Available records shows that the CIA and FBI knew much more about it – and the threat Oswald posed – than they ever shared with the Warren commission. The agencies appear to have withheld evidence out of fear they might be blamed for bungling intelligence that could have saved Kennedy’s life.

Oswald, a Marine Corps veteran and self-declared Marxist who had once tried to defect to the Soviet Union, met in Mexico with Cuban and Soviet diplomats and spies and, according to a long-secret FBI report, talked openly about his plan to kill Kennedy.

Given Trump’s deadline next week – a deadline he set himself – to release thousands of still-classified documents related to the assassination held by the National Archives, the Thomas family says questions about their family tragedy are urgent once again.

Many of those documents are known to have come out of the files of the CIA station in Mexico at about the time of Oswald’s visit, which suggests they could bolster Thomas’s suspicions about what happened there.

In an interview, Thomas’s youngest daughter, Zelda Thomas-Curti, a Minneapolis business consultant who was born in Mexico, described her father as “one of America’s most important – if mostly unrecognized – 20th-century government whistleblowers”.

On behalf of her family, including her own three children, Thomas-Curti said she had written to Trump, to ask him to do justice to her father’s memory by releasing all remaining JFK files.

“Washington overpowered my father like a steam shovel, tossing him into a heap like discarded dirt,” she wrote. “But he was a hero who was out there fighting for the truth.” She told Trump that she wanted “my three children to know that their grandfather was a real-life hero”.

Thomas’s widow, Cynthia, who went on to her own career in the state department and now lives in Minnesota, said the family deserved to see all the JFK documents. “My grandchildren are entitled to know the truth about Charles,” she said.

‘As much access as possible’

In 1992, Congress passed the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act. Lawmakers hoped it would damp down raging conspiracy theories created by the release of Oliver Stone’s conspiracy-laden film, JFK, the year before.


The law called for release of all assassination-related documents. As a result, millions of pages were made public in the 1990s. Several thousand other documents, initially held back because of national security concerns, were supposed to have been released last October, the 25th anniversary of the law’s passage.

But Trump delayed the release for another six months, citing security concerns raised by the CIA and FBI. The new deadline is 26 April.

The White House has given no clue about whether the president will now allow the full library of documents to be made public. But Trump, who is no stranger to conspiracy theories, including about the Kennedy assassination, has vowed transparency. “The American public expects – and deserves – its government to provide as much access as possible” to the JFK records, he said last year.

The exact number of assassination-related documents still held is in question, since there is no definitive public inventory. A research group, the Mary Ferrell Foundation, said last month its tally showed more than 21,890 documents were still being withheld in full or in part.

The National Archives has produced a bare-bones index, which shows that many of the documents are drawn from the CIA station in Mexico City. For Thomas’s family, as well as for many JFK historians, that suggests those documents may refer to surveillance of Oswald and his contacts in Mexico.

Previously declassified files show that CIA officers in Mexico conducted close surveillance of Oswald as he apparently sought a visa to defect to Havana. The files show that he visited both the Cuban and Soviet embassies and that he may have had a brief affair with a Mexican woman who worked in the Cuban consulate.

In a once-classified 2013 internal CIA report, the agency’s chief historian concluded that the CIA had conducted a “benign cover-up” to withhold “incendiary” information. The cover-up, the report said, was intended to keep the commission focused on “what the Agency believed at the time was the ‘best truth’ – that Lee Harvey Oswald, for as yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy”.

‘A responsibility for seeing it through’
Previously declassified records referring to Thomas show that he was repeatedly rebuffed when trying to reopen an investigation of Oswald’s Mexico trip.

In a memo written in 1969, in his final days at the department, Thomas made a last plea that someone go back to Mexico. Though he made no allegation that Fidel Castro had any personal role in any plot to kill Kennedy, Thomas wanted the US to investigate whether the Warren commission had missed evidence of a conspiracy in JFK’s death between Oswald and Cubans loyal to the Castro regime.


Thomas (far right) standing next to the writer Elena Garro (center) and Elena’s daughter Helena (far left), with an unidentified man, at a gathering in Mexico City, mid-1960s. Photograph: Courtesy of Cynthia Thomas
“Since I was the embassy officer who acquired this intelligence information,” Thomas wrote, “I feel a responsibility for seeing it through to its final evaluation.”

The memo outlined a story that Thomas first heard in 1965 from a friend – Elena Garro de Paz, a prominent Mexican writer whose husband, Octavio Paz, later won the Nobel prize for literature. Garro said she had encountered Oswald at a family dance party in Mexico City in the fall of 1963 that was attended by Cuban diplomats and Mexican leftists who supported the Castro revolution. According to Garro, people at the party had spoken openly of their hope that Kennedy would be killed.


According to Garro, who died in 1998, Oswald was invited to the party by her cousin Silvia Duran, a vivacious young woman who worked at the Cuban consulate. Garro told Thomas she was certain Oswald and Duran had a brief affair.

In the years since Thomas’s paperwork was made public, Duran, who is still alive, has insisted that she did not have an affair with Oswald and only met him inside the Cuban consulate. But other Mexicans, including members of Duran’s extended family, have disputed her account. A Mexican journalist recalled seeing Oswald at a separate reception, at the Cuban embassy.

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Interesting.

I read it. I see nothing here to indicate they were hiding Nagell stuff.