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I don’t believe there were any bullet fragments in the chest, as per Dr Shaw’s WC testimony.  But he did have fragments in the wrist and leg.  The wrist wound is troublesome when you analyze the holes in the suit and shirt sleeves, and the pants.  Using both mannequins and a live stand in, I’ve run string through pre cut holes in a suit and shirt with French cuffs in the exact locations documented in the official record.  For the string to align, the French cuff had to be completely out of the suit sleeve and the forearm pronated (thumb down) to the near extreme end of its range.  Also the exit hole in the French cuff was jagged and highly irregular—almost a zig zag shape.  And yet the entry hole in the pants was round and the flesh wound in the leg described as “punctate” by Dr Shires.  The odds of a completely unstable bullet making the irregular exit hole in the cuff and within a few inches landing presumably base first to make a round hole has to be astronomical.

Why would you expect you reenactment of the shooting to produce exactly the same result as the actual shootiing?
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In contrast, the non-fatal bullet that hit Governor Connally left fragments in his chest, wrist, and thigh, and it also veered leftward and downward


I don’t believe there were any bullet fragments in the chest, as per Dr Shaw’s WC testimony.  But he did have fragments in the wrist and leg.  The wrist wound is troublesome when you analyze the holes in the suit and shirt sleeves, and the pants.  Using both mannequins and a live stand in, I’ve run string through pre cut holes in a suit and shirt with French cuffs in the exact locations documented in the official record.  For the string to align, the French cuff had to be completely out of the suit sleeve and the forearm pronated (thumb down) to the near extreme end of its range.  Also the exit hole in the French cuff was jagged and highly irregular—almost a zig zag shape.  And yet the entry hole in the pants was round and the flesh wound in the leg described as “punctate” by Dr Shires.  The odds of a completely unstable bullet making the irregular exit hole in the cuff and within a few inches landing presumably base first to make a round hole has to be astronomical. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Kennedy and Nixon
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:26:13 AM »
Read some of JFK's speeches and letters on South Vietnam.

JFK was an ardent anti-communist, and even tried to have Castro assassinated.

Back in the day, some people would take a segment from a Nixon speech and a JFK speech, for comparisons. Often, the segments read about the same.

Only later, did people like James Douglass re-frame JFK as singing kumbaya.

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It could mean; removed, received or recovered
 ::) It does not say "removed"
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(a) = one (singular)
no mention of fragment(s)

The receipt says the missile was removed by Humes so it was not a bullet the Secret Service had recovered from the limo.

The premise of this thread was that the Secret Service had sent a bullet to Bethesda along with the bone fragments. The receipt does nothing to support that premise.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Kennedy and Nixon
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:27:33 PM »
Interesting story from Robert Dallek's book on JFK (it's an example, one of many, of why the liberal wing of the Democratic Party opposed JFK's candidacy):

"At a Harvard Spee Club dinner in February 1952, when a speaker praised the university for never having produced an Alger Hiss [Hiss did go to Harvard Law], a former State Department official under suspicion of spying for Moscow, or a Joe McCarthy, Jack uncharacteristically made a public scene, angrily saying, “How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot [McCarthy] with that of a traitor [Hiss]!” Jack was just as sympathetic to Richard Nixon, with whom he had established a measure of personal rapport during their service in the House. He openly declared himself pleased that Nixon, a tough anticommunist, had beaten liberal Democrat Helen Gahagan Douglas in a 1950 California Senate race, and he had no complaints about Nixon’s depiction of Douglas as a “fellow traveler” or the “Pink Lady."

I think we all knew about his support for Nixon against Douglas but the dinner story is a new one. For him McCarthy is a patriot and Hiss is a traitor. I'm sure that went over just swell with the liberals.

JFK was an anti-communist. Sure his anti-communism in 1963 was of a different kind than it was in 1952 (he wouldn't have defended McCarthy in '63). But it fundamentally was the same. And it was certainly closer to Nixon's views on the Cold War than those of Ted Kennedys. This portrayal of JFK by the conspiracists as some sort of dove, as someone opposed to containment is just nonsense. It's all made up. But they have to create a fantasy JFK in order for their conspiracy to work. If the "national security state" killed JFK they had to have a reason for doing so. An important one. And that reason for conspiracists is that he was threatening their power and position, he was going to end the Cold War and expose their lies and deceit. Well, that's just completely made up.

I think many people today no matter what their political stripes, would be surprised to know how close the Kennedys were to Joe McCarthy. When Jack was elected to the Senate, Joe Kennedy called his friend Joe McCarthy and asked him to take Jack under his wing. Joe McCarthy dated one of the Kennedy sisters and was godfather to RFK's first child. He had hired RFK as Roy Cohn's assistant on McCarthy's Senate Committee on Government Operations. McCarthy lost his chairmanship when the Democrats took back the Senate in 1954, but RFK stayed on as assistant counsel. Earlier in 1954, Edward R. Murrow did his expose on Senator McCarthy which was a watershed moment both for McCarthyism and television journalism.

I've wondered how much of Eleanor Roosevelt's distain for JFK was personal, due to the falling out Joe Kennedy had with FDR when ambassador to the UK. That was a messy divorce. That pretty much ended Joe Kennedy's political ambitions so he passed those on to his sons, first Joe Jr. and when he was killed, JFK took up the mantle.

JFK was no liberal RFK moved a little to the left after JFK was killed but Teddy moved way to the left. He was nothing like Jack or Bobby.
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(a) = one (singular)
no mention of fragment(s)

Quote
22 November 1963

From: Francis X. O’Neill, Jr., Agent FBI
James W. Sibert, Agent, FBI
To: Captain J.H. Stover, Jr., Commanding Officer, U.S. Naval Medical School, National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, Maryland.

1. We hereby acknowledge receipt of a missile [sic] recoved by Commander James J. Humes, MC, USN on this date.

(signed)
Francis X. O’Neill, Jr.
(signed)
James W. Sibert
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