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Time to fess up — who's the plant?

Pretty sure it's not MTG because that would be too obvious.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:56:10 PM »
First of all, there were 10 occupants and they all provided statements. second, their observations were different because they were observing from different positions and looking in different directions at different times. Why would their observations be identical?  The question is: what did they all have in common? That tells you much more about what happened.

Not the number of shots.

Not the spacing of the shots.

Not which shot first hit JFK.

Not the elapsed time of the shots.

Minor details like that.

Yes, there were 10 men onboard. I failed to count Roberts himself when reading his report which stated the following:

The following persons departed Love Field in Secret Service Follow-up car, 679 X and were located in and on running boards of car as follows:

ATSAIC Emory P. Roberts--front seat--operating radio.
SA Samuel Kinney--driving (did an excellent job)
Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell, Appointment Secretary to the President, left jump seat.
Mr. David Powers, Presidential Aide, right jump seat.
SA Glen Bennett, left rear seat.
SA George Hickey, right rear seat (manning AR-15 (rifle)
SA Clinton Hill, left running board, front.
SA William Mclntyre, left running board, behind Hill.
SA John D. Ready, right running board, front.
SA Paul Landis, right running board behind Ready.

Note: On shift report for Nov. 22, 1963, I listed SA Rybka as riding in center of rear seat, which was in error, as he was not in car. As mentioned above, he remained at Love Field.
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I voted.  Wewon.




Thanks for the bump, soon I'll have all my threads on the front page!



JohnM
I voted.  We won!  Guess we can all go home now, right?
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But you know, getting back to Sir Graves’ original question………….. I’ve noticed the same phenomenon with those ‘on the spectrum’, like Trump and all the honest  folks in his administration.  Like attracts like. You recognise those ‘of the tribe’.  They are autistic.  There.  I said it.  Especially the faux president.  They know it, too.  And they’re all on adderal! How reassuring…….. with the worst to come.
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Ask Mr Von Pein to answer why no authority pursued Lovelady and grilled him on why he didn't tell of this witnessing of Oswald leaving through the front door to any of the original 1963 investigators?...


Crickets...

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Dan:

It is understood amongst credible researchers that Lovelady & Shelley were gotten to lie and push back their departure time from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to make Victoria Adams look silly and to destroy her witnessing of Oswald not being on the Northwest steps when the official story needed him to be...There's some basic rules of evidence you are violating here...We can see Lovelady & Shelley fast-walking up the extension in Couch/Darnell so therefore visual film evidence trumps testimony and shows that Lovelady & Shelley left the steps around 20 seconds after the shots when they were inspired by Calvery to go up to the Knoll and see for themselves...You are violating the rules of evidence as well as rational thought because we can see Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension in Couch/Darnell and it tells us what the true version is...

The version Bart Kamp used was the Sprague copy...Obviously Sprague used the best enhancement technology of his day which was probably limited to brightness and zoom...One thing is clear though, Sprague used the original celluloid films as his source, as is evidenced by the fact Kamp was able to get the best detail in his enhancements...That best source that Kamp accessed was able to produce the visible details seen on Lovelady & Shelley as well as Lovelady's bald spot...Lovelady's plaid pattern is a geometric match and matches his plaid shirt pattern precisely...That is a dead-lock that makes the sincerity of what you offer suspect...No serious researcher would doubt the men being Lovelady & Shelley at that point...

This was all in the hands of Larry Schnapf who could have gotten the 1st generation 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell simply by asking...Schnapf went on the Education Forum and explained why he wasn't going to request the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...The words Schnapf spoke to describe his reasoning were words that came directly from the Prayer Man gang and their shameless suborning of perjury before Congress...Because the Task Force was not able to obtain the original Wiegman and Darnell films the 6th Floor Museum copy then became the best available copy of Darnell...This was proven by the fact you can see Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man in that copy...So no credible researcher would ever make a case for not obtaining the best copy...Obtaining the best copy is an unspoken thing amongst credible researchers...It is only the Prayer Man-hijacked JFK internet that would make a case for NOT obtaining that copy...And the way they achieve that is by banning, ostracize-ing, and censoring those researchers who question it...The Education Forum is a fraudulent website, as are its administrators...The effort to NOT obtain the 6th Floor Museum copy is a disingenuous one whose sole purpose is to avoid producing evidence that Jim DiEugenio is a fool who promotes already-disproven theories before Congress...Iler is a greasy fixer who makes grandiose rules designed to bail out his partner DiEugenio and avoid the correct evidence...It is this copy that will better show Lovelady, Shelley, and Molina...

The mark is already set and we await the obtaining and scanning of the 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell...


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An AI movie?  Great suggestion, David!  Would be cheaper than what a one raff sink sunk into his movie about the towpath murder of Mary Pinchot may she rest in peace. Ever seen it? omg…
Yes, Dave….. Mssr. Doyle, like raff sink has communicated with Mssr. Janney, and have written many many many posts praising his tome, Mary’s Mosaic.  Have you read it?It’s a real page-turner! Brain could maybe team up with raff and make a real hum-dinger of a moo-vie with his brilliantly conceived screenplay.  I love matchmaking!
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Your problem is you lack common sense. I don't know how I can help you out there.
It is common sense to base conclusions on the evidence. It is common sense that one should guard against making conclusions that conflict with the evidence based upon what they think is happening in equivocal parts of the Zapruder film.  Your spidey sense of why people are turning their heads in the zfilm is not evidence and is certainly not common sense.
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COVID killed 15 million people.  Of course it was real.  A question like that attempts to deflect from legitimate questions about how it originated and the incompetent response from Fauci.  Initially Fauci gave multiple reasons for not wearing masks including a lack of evidence that they were effective.  And the masks that 99% wore were useless and even then, they could take them off to eat and drink in public.  Laughable.  If they were necessary to stop the spread of COVID, why aren't we still wearing them?  Even at crowded events.  COVID is still around.  So are a lot of other deadly contagious diseases like the flu.  But Biden and the Dems waved a magic wand after the 2020 election and it all went away.  Do you still wear a mask?

Fauci never said masks were ineffective without referring to a specific type. Without a vaccine masks were all we had.   
Before the vaccine there was no treatment, we could only stop the spread.  You forget, the vaccine was stalled by a
sitting President more concerned with having lost an election then the lives of Americans in a raging pandemic.
Further to that point, it was Trump spreading deadly misinformation re: horse de-wormer or household cleaners.

The vaccine greatly weakened the virus.   ::) You can't figure that out?
What did Fauci do wrong? - and what should he have done instead?
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Yes.  Total insanity.

"In early March 2020, he advised the general public against wearing standard masks, primarily to preserve critical supplies for healthcare workers and because widespread asymptomatic spread was not yet clear."

Fauci’s Mistake on Masks Was Driven by Bad Economics, Not Uncertain Science
https://www.cato.org/commentary/faucis-mistake-masks-was-driven-bad-economics-not-uncertain-science

Do you think COVID was some kind of hoax?

COVID killed 15 million people.  Of course it was real.  A question like that attempts to deflect from legitimate questions about how it originated and the incompetent response from Fauci.  Initially Fauci gave multiple reasons for not wearing masks including a lack of evidence that they were effective.  And the masks that 99% wore were useless and even then, they could take them off to eat and drink in public.  Laughable.  If they were necessary to stop the spread of COVID, why aren't we still wearing them?  Even at crowded events.  COVID is still around.  So are a lot of other deadly contagious diseases like the flu.  But Biden and the Dems waved a magic wand after the 2020 election and it all went away.  Do you still wear a mask?
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