JFK Assassination Forum

Probably 99.99% of the time. If the victim is experiencing sensory overload, such as JBC after a bullet tore through his lung, he didn't feel the strike on his wrist and thigh but if a person is conscious and not otherwise in distress. they are going to feel it.

That is a popular view. But it is not accurate.  Rapid injuries are often not felt unless they cause loss of function or make a forceful impact on bone.  A flesh wound in an extremity is often not felt immediately. Here is a woman who was shot and never felt the bullet pass through her chest:


In this case, JBC never felt it.

You can spin this all you want. It's not going to help. At Z193, JBC is nowhere near the position your drawing depicts him and he would have to be turned the way your drawing shows for the bullet to go from JFK's throat into JBC's thigh. It didn't happen the way you claim because it couldn't have happened the way you claim. It's absurd.

So you don't like my drawing.  How about the picture showing the path from a position 24 inches behind and to the right of the midline of the JBC stand-in and turned not even as far as JBC in z193?

How can you say that the path is not possible? That is absurd:

Dear Royell,

Why does the car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Wiegman look so strange?

Shadows?

-- Tom

   There's more than 1 car parked on the "other side of the Elm St Extension". Which car are you asking about?

Are you saying that bullets are always felt?

Probably 99.99% of the time. If the victim is experiencing sensory overload, such as JBC after a bullet tore through his lung, he didn't feel the strike on his wrist and thigh but if a person is conscious and not otherwise in distress. they are going to feel it.

I have him turned about 2 o'clock from car-forward.  Here is what it would look like with people:


JBC was sitting on a seat mounted on the floor.  Try that and see where your knees naturally go.

You can spin this all you want. It's not going to help. At Z193, JBC is nowhere near the position your drawing depicts him and he would have to be turned the way your drawing shows for the bullet to go from JFK's throat into JBC's thigh. It didn't happen the way you claim because it couldn't have happened the way you claim. It's absurd.

That's what the evidence indicated. You need imagination to conclude he got hit by second bullet. To believe your nonsense, we would have to believe that JBC got hit by the first shot and didn't even feel it. He had a clear memory of hearing that first shot and no memory of a wound to his thigh.

Are you saying that bullets are always felt?

Your theory doesn't fit any of the hard evidence. Every explanation you give for that is a stretch.JBC isn't even close to being turned as far right as your drawing depicts and even then your drawing has his thigh flared in an unnatural position to the left while you have his body over rotated to the right. This is what I mean by a stretch. It's downright goofy.

I have him turned about 2 o'clock from car-forward.  Here is what it would look like with people:


JBC was sitting on a seat mounted on the floor.  Try that and see where your knees naturally go.

Yes. It tells me that everyone assumed that JBC was hit by only one bullet.

That's what the evidence indicated. You need imagination to conclude he got hit by second bullet. To believe your nonsense, we would have to believe that JBC got hit by the first shot and didn't even feel it. He had a clear memory of hearing that first shot and no memory of a wound to his thigh.

Statistical corroboration of witnesses is used by the CIA, Mossad, MI5 and every other successful intelligence agency all the time.  They gather information from various sources and determine facts.  Although each piece is individually is not reliable, when the pieces all fit together they are extremely reliable.   That is all I am doing.

Your theory doesn't fit any of the hard evidence. Every explanation you give for that is a stretch.

If the 9 pages of witness recollections I provided, which fit with the 20+ witness recollections that JFK reacted to the first shot in ways not seen until after z193, which fit together with the motorcade witnesses, Betzner, Phil Willis, Linda Willis, Altgens, Hickey, Greer, and the witnesses along Elm who stated where JFK was in relation to where they were standing at the time of the first shot, were independent, the only rational conclusion is that the last two shots were close together, JFK reacted to the first shot and the first shot was after z186.  In fact the way the three bodies fit together with the zfilm (there is a five second time difference between JFK showing signs of being hit so that must be the first shot according to the shot spacing witnesses. And that fits all the 20+ who said that JFK reacted that way to the first shot.  And that fits with where the witnesses in the motorcade, Elm St. witnesses, photographers etc put the first shot: i.e. after z186) tells you that the witnesses are independent.
? At z193, JBC's shoulders are turned right so that his chest is facing left the sightline from Zapruder, which is 30 degrees. For that to be 60 degrees too far right, you must think JBC is facing to the left of forward in z193.

JBC isn't even close to being turned as far right as your drawing depicts and even then your drawing has his thigh flared in an unnatural position to the left while you have his body over rotated to the right. This is what I mean by a stretch. It's downright goofy.