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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 25, 2025, 07:31:04 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on December 25, 2025, 07:13:18 AM
What's your definition of "very early"?

   Putting the JFK Limo (E) of the sidewalk is getting close to the Island. That's "very early" for a 1st shot.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 25, 2025, 07:26:46 AM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on December 24, 2025, 11:40:33 PM


That’s how it appears from Tina’s angle. A line of sight perpendicular to the travel on Elm Street at that point would show it before JFK gets to the sidewalk entrance.

   Compare the final frames of the Towner film that show the JFK Limo vs the Zapruder Film frame where the JFK Limo pops onto the film. You can also use the physical position of Willis to figure out the position of the JFK Limo on Elm St.
   That sidewalk is extremely close to the Tall Monument. And the tall monument is very close to the Island. Just look at the Darnell Film showing Baker's Motorcycle. Officer Baker quickly went from his motorcycle to running across the island. This tells you how close all of these landmarks are to each other. You put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and it is not even close to completing the turn onto Elm.   
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 25, 2025, 07:13:18 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 25, 2025, 07:10:42 AM
The Tina Towner story along with her film disproves the very early 1st shot.

What's your definition of "very early"?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 25, 2025, 07:10:42 AM »

  The Tina Towner story along with her film disproves the very early 1st shot.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Fred Litwin, JFK Disinformation Agent
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 25, 2025, 02:12:06 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on December 25, 2025, 01:22:24 AM
FL-

You do good work, and should be accepted in all JFKA forums.

Sometimes you lean on the information, much like the CTers.

But Happy Holidays.

Maybe he should lean more on the flash-bang, the dorsum, and the Iran-Israel Iran-Israel Iran-Israel Iran-Israel Iran . . .
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Fred Litwin, JFK Disinformation Agent
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 25, 2025, 01:22:24 AM »
FL-

You do good work, and should be accepted in all JFKA forums.

Sometimes you lean on the information, much like the CT'ers.

But Happy Holidays.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Charles Collins on December 24, 2025, 11:40:33 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 24, 2025, 10:53:00 PM
      Towner said she was pulled to the ground after Shot #1 was fired. Her film shows the JFK Limo having passed the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter. If her story is true, it rules out Shot #1 being fired extremely early. Her story/film also disproves the 11+ seconds elapsed firing time for the 3 shots from the sniper's nest.     



That’s how it appears from Tina’s angle. A line of sight perpendicular to the travel on Elm Street at that point would show it before JFK gets to the sidewalk entrance.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 24, 2025, 11:31:27 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on December 24, 2025, 11:26:30 PM

No, it can clearly be seen in the Dorman film. It’s just the shadow that obscures it in the relevant frame. Royell’s objections don’t always make sense to me either.

Okay, now I understand.

Thanks.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Charles Collins on December 24, 2025, 11:26:30 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on December 24, 2025, 11:22:33 PM
Did he create the idea of a folding chair out of thin air?


No, it can clearly be seen in the Dorman film. It’s just the shadow that obscures it in the relevant frame. Royell’s objections don’t always make sense to me either.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 24, 2025, 11:22:33 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on December 24, 2025, 11:04:22 PM
It’s entirely irrelevant. But Royell brought it up as an excuse to discount the timing of the frame

Did he create the idea of a folding chair out of thin air?
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