JFK Assassination Forum

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There is literature available online now, that was not available in 1963-4. Information not available to the WC, or anyone, probably.

Oh. It's on the internet. Everybody knows you can't put things on the internet that aren't true.

You can read James Woolsey's book, Operation Dragon: Inside the Kremlin's Secret War on America. I do not think the book is compelling, but it does raise issues. Woolsey is a former CIA director, so he has some street cred.

A conspiracy book. Another unimpeachable source.

You are smart guy, so do a lot on online searches for the US Ambassador to Mexico, Thomas Mann, and the State Department staffer in Mexico Charles Thomas, and what happened to them re the JFKA. Basically, they both lost their careers for merely wanting to follow leads into Cuba. Not comforting.

I will never understand why anyone would think Oswald's Mexico City trip had any connection to the assassination. NOBODY could have known at that time that fate was going to deal Oswald a chance to assassinate JFK.

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Gus Russo is a prominent investigative journalist and author who has specialized in the JFK assassination, specifically advocating for a theory involving Cuban intelligence (G2) and Lee Harvey Oswald.

Jack Anderson was "a prominent investigative journalist" who steered me wrong back in the 1980s. Why should I trust journalists now?

His research in this area was featured in a 2006 German documentary and his later books.

Are you trying to make your sources sound credible. It's not working.

Key Documentary: Rendezvous with Death: JFK & the Cuban Connection

Release/Background: This German documentary, released in 2006 (German title: Rendezvous mit dem Tod: Warum John F. Kennedy sterben musste), was written by Gus Russo and directed by filmmaker Wilfried Huismann.The G2 Theory: The film claims that the Cuban secret service (G2) organized the assassination of President Kennedy as retaliation for the Kennedy brothers' attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro (Operation Mongoose).

The G2 Theory: The film claims that the Cuban secret service (G2) organized the assassination of President Kennedy as retaliation for the Kennedy brothers' attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro (Operation Mongoose).

Oswald's Role: According to the documentary, Lee Harvey Oswald was an unstable, self-styled pro-Castro marxist who was "contracted" or encouraged to kill JFK by Cuban agents after he made contact with them in Mexico City.

How did those agents know Oswald was going to be handed the opportunity to kill JFK?

Evidence Cited: The film features interviews with former Cuban G2 spies, KGB files, and archival research from Mexico. A key source was former Cuban G2 official Oscar Marino, who claimed Castro "got Kennedy before Kennedy could assassinate the Cuban leader".

How did Castro know Oswald was going to be handed the opportunity to kill JFK?

Key Finding: Russo argues in the film that Oswald, while acting as the lone gunman, was encouraged by Cuban Intelligence, who viewed him as a "disposable" asset to protect Cuba.

Same question as above?

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You can find the above film on Youtube. It is a fun film to watch anyway.

I'll pass.

Re the Katzenbach memo?

I would find more comfort if the Katzenbach memo said something to the effect: "No matter where the chips fall, the most important client is Truth, and finding out, and then disclosing, everything about the JFKA."

Maybe he should have written something like:
"It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now."

Oh, wait. He did.

Also, the memo was not made to the WC. It was sent to Bill Moyers. The memo was not the WC's marching orders as many CTs would have us believe.

Instead, on Nov. 25 1963 Katzenbach was concerned about how to sell the LN theory to the public.

I have reservations about the LN JFKA theory.

Your reservations are not a litmus test for the credibility of the WC's findings.

Many people have used ovals to show both head rotation and shoulder rotation and the relation of the head to the shoulders. You can't present an illustration in any form that will show JBC turned as he was in Z271 that would have allowed Oswald to shoot him in the back so you continue to try to bluff your way through. The shot you claim is simply impossible and we both know it and only one of us is willing to say it.

First of all you need to get the basic medical facts straight.  JBC was shot in the back of the right armpit just to the right of his right scapula. The bullet struck the fifth rib and made a tunnelling path along a few cm of rib without damaging the surrounding muscle before passing through and destroying the last 10 cm of the fifth rib before exiting just medial to and below the right nipple.  The bullet exited through the right jacket pocket.

So the idea that he was hit in the back is not quite correct. He was actually hit in the right armpit. There is no difficulty for a bullet entering the back of the right armpit at z271. You seem to think that Connally's back had to be facing Oswald. This is incorrect.  The bullet just had to impact him in the right armpit immediately right of the edge of the scapula.

Since you want to use ellipses and circles to show complex anatomy, why don't you show us how you think JBC is positioned at z271.  I have already shown you my detailed graphic which has his shoulders turned to align with the car direction. You seem to have difficulty seeing that so why don't you show what you think JBC's position was there?

"By the time he (Katzenbach) wrote that, there was already enough evidence gathered that there was no doubt Oswald was the assassin and the WC would come to that conclusion.--JC

I agree with Michale Capasse on this one.

By Nov. 25 1963 there was no certainty about the scope and scale of the JFKA, in fact questions had just been raised by the unusual murder of LHO, suggestive of a plot to silence the one man who could squeal on confederates.

No one on Nov. 25 had done a substantial analysis of the Z-film, although some say the CIA had, and concluded there had been more than one shooter. Even if LHO had physically acted alone on Nov. 22, on Nov. 25 there was no way to ascertain if LHO had been financed, induced or guided by others.

LHO had evidently departed from TSBD6 unseen in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, meaning if he had a confederate, that individual could have also left the building unseen also.   

LBJ did not want a nuke war. LBJ probably understood that elements within the KGB and G2 could have effected the JFKA without approval from higher-ups. Going to a nuke war over what some cast-off hotheads perped would have compounded the tragedy million-fold. Yet the public and military might howl for revenge, if it even appeared that KGB and G2 had a role in the JFKA.

LBJ probably made the right choice. Bury the JFKAC...better not to know.

Leads into LHO-Cuba on the JFKA were snuffed out.

If they were snuffed out, how did you find out about them?

Unfortunately, the human body is more complicated than ellipses and circles. The relative positions of shoulders, scapulas, ribs and skin changes with different turning positions.  What I presented was a twisted torso with the shoulders aligned with the car direction and the hips facing forward.  That was his position at z271.

The impact felt by JBC is consistent with significant bullet momentum being imparted to the body suddenly. That is consistent with a forceful impact to what could only have been the fifth rib. We know the fifth rib flexed enough to cause a fracture near the spine.  That same force is also applied by the rib to the bullet and that must cause a change in bullet momentum.  Regardless of how JBC was turned, that would have been a force on the left side of the bullet meaning the change in direction had to be to the right. That would be the case whether he was turned forward or, as the witnesses said, sideways.

Many people have used ovals to show both head rotation and shoulder rotation and the relation of the head to the shoulders. You can't present an illustration in any form that will show JBC turned as he was in Z271 that would have allowed Oswald to shoot him in the back so you continue to try to bluff your way through. The shot you claim is simply impossible and we both know it and only one of us is willing to say it.

Here is where common sense has to enter the picture. The FBI doesn't speculate on probabilities when forensic evidence is not 100% conclusive. That doesn't stop reasonable people from making such judgements. Do you really think the two large pieces found by the SS in the limo came from anything except the headshot. What else could have caused a full metal jacket bullet to break apart like that?

Maybe the shot that hit JBC in the back and wrist, which was the second shot.   According to the evidence, Tague was struck by a fragment on the second shot and Greer sensed an impact in the car on the second shot.  So, according to that evidence, the second shot fragmented. How a bullet that impacted forcefully as JBC described, impacted butt-first and destroyed 10 cm  of rib and caused a comminuted fracture of the radius 2 inches above the wrist joint and came out looking like CE399 is not easy to understand.  It is especially difficult to understand not only how it could do that damage but how it could:
1. fool Agent Hickey into thinking that the second shot occurred at the same time that he was turned forward watching JFK, which we know must have been some time after we see him facing rearward in Altgens 6;
2. fool 75% of the witnesses who recalled a shot pattern into recalling that the last two shots were closer together (which would support the second shot after z255 (Altgens 6))