JFK Assassination Forum

Alex, nice to see you posting here. Can you comment on Groden's publishing of a clearly fake autopsy photo in his book "Absolute Proof" without him ever explaining its true nature? He lost a lot of credibility from the research community by doing this.

Yes, I've heard this is making the rounds again. Although I don't think he intended to depict it as a real autopsy photo, he words things so poorly sometimes that I'm not surprised there's a lot of confusion surrounding him. I definitely think he should've disclosed outright that it was a recreation, but for some reason, he chose instead to say that "This is what all the frames look like." The "looks like" is the most important part of that caption. Again, he should've worded it differently, but he chose not to for reasons unknown to me.

Hopefully that clears that up, or at least makes it die down for now. As much as I know Groden has done, said, and stole things that he shouldn't have, his photographic work is outstanding, and it's unfortunate that he has chosen to withhold most of it, and never release anything in good quality. I think the main issue with his books is that he comments on everything as if he knows all about it. I've come to take anything he says that's not related to the photographic evidence with a grain of salt, because most of it is, at best, misleading.

Or that any shot missed.  Until the HSCA used bogus acoustic evidence to conclude that there was a shot at around z160 and another shot at z190, most observers interpreted the WC report as favouring a missed second or third shot. This was certainly John McCloy's view.*

A lot of people misinterpreted what the WC said about the missed shot even though the WC clearly showed no favoritism to which shot missed. They presented the pros and cons of each one. Anyone who believes otherwise has very poor reading comprehension skills.

As far as "most observers interpreted" goes, I don't know where you get that. For at least 20 years there is a clear consensus among the LNs I have engaged with that the missed shots was the first shot. You are the only LN I've ever met who doesn't think there was a missed shot. If there wasn't a missed shot, why was only one bullet found in the limo? Why were there only two bullets recovered?

*McCloy testified to this before the HSCA (3 HSCA 599-612).  He thought JBC could have been hit in the back and not noticed it until after it had struck. He even used two examples from his own experience.  He related the story of a soldier standing beside him in a parade square in Berlin after WWII as they were preparing to welcome President Truman.  The soldier was the stand-in for President in the parade rehearsal.  He was shot by a sniper and had a delayed reaction before he said, "Jack, I think I'm shot". He survived.  (3 HSCA 604-605)

That's nice but JBC didn't show a delay reaction. He reacted to being shot at the same instant JFK did. Both men suddenly flipped their arms upward at Z226. How do you explain that if they weren't both hit at the same time?

PS, Are you ever going to get around to explaining how Oswald could have shot JBC in the back at Z271 when JBC was facing him at that time or does that question have you stumped?

The animation came from a computer program "JFK Reloaded" from which I created the 4 separate POV's and composited them into a single GIF. The reason I showed each view at a stationary angle as the Limo passed, was to show the corresponding angular velocity and therefore demonstrate the difficulty in tracking the shot.

JohnM

I tried this shooting simulation and I found it very difficult to hit JFK twice. I think it took me like 5 attempts because an early miss and the limo speeds up as this programmed driver DOES react correctly . He steps on the gas and gets the limo out of there fast instead of : “Lets almost stop the limo cause Im a little hung over  from parting last night till 2am in the morning and  I wasn’t thinking clearly
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I found the easiest method was to shoot Greer the driver with a 1st shot asap which causes the limo to come to a stop and  then it was easier with only a 2nd shot to hit a stationary JFK. The SS agents didn’t react any faster than in the Z film  so IDK if thats a programmed mistake since reaction by SS agents Clint  Hill might have been faster if the driver was hit by a 1st shot. However, it still takes about 3 secs to reach JFK which would be enough time for an aimed 2nd shot at the stationary target  …, unless JFK reacts faster and ducks down in only 1 sec from hearing 1st shot and seeing driver hit.

   ALEX - Thanks for clearing this "Original Wiegman" issue up. I have seen the You Tube Video you posted from inside a Groden Storage Unit. Groden was with you. You did this awhile back. Can you tell us what you might have seen inside that storage unit that was Not included in your presentation?  That storage unit looked very ramshackle.  Do you know/think Groden might have other storage unit(s) with more important JFK images/information squirrel'd away inside it? Thanks for ALL the JFK work product that you post on You Tube. I hope you post on this forum more often. You have a young/fresh perspective.

Groden has several storage units packed full of stuff. In that particular one in that video, he has most of his 16mm and 35mm copies of all of the films. I have an inventory that he made of all of the most important ones. In another storage unit, he's got probably 50+ boxes of unmarked VHS tapes of various things. I know he would tape every news special and documentary that aired on TV. He's also got some U-Matic tapes of scans from his film copies of things, as well as the master/original tapes of several of his TV appearances. If I remember correctly, he has the master tape of his March 6, 1975 showing of the Zapruder film on Good Night America.

I'm being intentionally vague, because his wife asked me to remove all of the images and videos I had posted of inside his house and storage units since he wasn't in the best health, and I think they were scared that someone will want to break in to steal his stuff. There's also just some items he has that I cannot talk about publicly, at least not while he's alive. I'm writing a biography on Groden that will detail most of what everyone wants to know which is to be released after his passing.

Thanks for the compliments. I'm trying to post on forums like this more to clear certain things up regarding Groden, among other things, but I don't always remember to look here, and it doesn't help that I keep forgetting my login info.

A bit off topic, but FYI, the tape I posted about 3 years ago with all of that WBAP footage (including the complete Darnell film), I got that from Groden, and although the quality of the footage is less than ideal, I was able to confirm that the tape was made from the 6th Floor Museum's 16mm 1st gen copy of the Darnell film. I got access to a more extended version of their 2K scan of that 1st gen copy, and it has all of the same footage in the same order, and has the same yellow-ish color to it (I'm still uncertain what exactly caused that color).

Sorry to ramble on about things, but I figured you all would want to know a lot of this about Groden, etc.

Hi all,

I talked with Groden's wife, who informed Jeff Morley of Groden having the Wiegman film. It's all a big misunderstanding. Groden has a 1st gen copy FROM the original, and when told this, Morley immediately demanded Groden gift it to him, which he politely declined to do.

Although Groden has an extraordinary collection of photos and films, some of which I'd never seen before, he doesn't have every original film as people accuse him of. I can't say much as to what he DOES have, but to be absolutely clear, he doesn't have the original Wiegman film. Now, I'm sure he would love to have it, just like the original Nix film, because both would resolve so many issues with the photographic evidence, but he simply doesn't have them.

Hopefully this clears things up, although I know it probably won't.

Thanks,
-Alex Harris
aka "The JFK Theorist"

   ALEX - Thanks for clearing this "Original Wiegman" issue up. I have seen the You Tube Video you posted from inside a Groden Storage Unit. Groden was with you. You did this awhile back. Can you tell us what you might have seen inside that storage unit that was Not included in your presentation?  That storage unit looked very ramshackle.  Do you know/think Groden might have other storage unit(s) with more important JFK images/information squirrel'd away inside it? Thanks for ALL the JFK work product that you post on You Tube. I hope you post on this forum more often. You have a young/fresh perspective.