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The first time I was shot it was in the left calf. I was dropped to the floor as if hit with a bat, within milliseconds. The second time I was shot it shattered my right tibia, again I was down on the floor before a tenth of a second had completed. The third time I was shot was in my mid back. The bullet entered to the left of my spine and broke my rib, exiting on the left of my stomach area. it took an eight hour operation to repair the internal damage to my spleen and stomach. They cut about 40% of my spleen away and part of my stomach. Took me two years to recover.
Getting shot in the back dropped me like a sack of sh*t within milliseconds.
The circumstances in which I was shot are not important but suffice to say I was on the right side of the law on all three occasions.
What it does learn you is what happens when you get shot and you see your colleagues getting shot and I can assure you on the above image that JC isn't any where near being shot, not even close, not even a sniff.
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BC -

Thanks for the input. The beauty of Burkley to me is that he had both the Parkland perspective and the Bethesda perspective. If he of all people thought the medical evidence pointed to a conspiracy, I don't know how even the most gung-ho LN zealot can fail to find that troubling. We'll never know exactly what Burkley thought, but what we do know certainly suggests that those like Aguilar cannot be dismissed as kooks.
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I don't suppose anything. There are any number of reasons for the people in the limo to turn their heads. A reaction to a gunshot is just one possibility. Maybe that was the point in time when Nellie said to JFK, "You can't say Dallas doesn't love you" and JFK responded by saying, "No, you sure can't." According to Nellie, that first shot sounded just after that exchange. I'm not stating that as fact, only a possibility. Nellie wasn't the most reliable of witnesses.

Point taken, but the four other limo passengers did turn their heads (in different directions) within half-a-second of JFK's quick turn to his left in Z-144, and Rosemary Willis did turn her head away from JFK and Jackie and towards the TSBD right before JFK's head turn, and Secret Service Agents Bennett and Hickey did start leaning over far in the follow-up car during the same time frame -- the former, having heard a firecracker-like-sound, to look around Dave Powers, and the latter, having heard a firecracker-like-sound, to look down at the pavement where the thought the firecracker had exploded.
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Nellie was of such sound mind sh told us JFK clutched his throat. That never happened. Great witness. JBC had no way of knowing whether JFK had been hit by the first or second shot. He didn't turn all the way around until he had been seriously wounded. I don't care how sound minded he was, he didn't have eyes in the back of his head.

As for there being two seconds between the shot that hit JFK and the one that hit JBC, which one of them was running the stop watch?

The Z-film gives us a much better indication. It shows they both reacted to their wounds at the exact same instant. There were roughly two milliseconds between the time the bullet hit JFK's back and it entered JBC's back
I don't place any value on Brennan's ID of Oswald. I place value on him establishing the location of the shooter. The forensic evidence tells us that Oswald was the assassin, not any eyewitness.
Here is Z230. Clearly we see Kennedy has already been hit. The time he takes to raise his hands upwards towards the wound or how ever he was reacting will have taken perhaps half a second and by that time Connally has been hit yes?. We see John Connally looking straight forward and according to YOU at this exact instant he has a bullet hole in his back which shattered his fifth rib, exited his chest and shattered his radius bone in his right arm and finally lodged in his right thigh.
Are you trying to tell this forum that on this frame John Connally has been absolutely shot to pieces? How stupid do you think people are Mr Corbett?
i've been shot three times and I can assure you on this image JC HAS NOT BEEN SHOT.

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This is so ridiculous it's embarrassing. After carefully monitoring myself on my drive to Walmart this morning, I am forced to conclude that I reacted to at least 14 shots. My wife thinks it was 17, but she's kind of a Nellie Connally if you get my drift. Honestly, does it get any sillier or more pointless than this?

Who asked you, MGFPR?

(Macho Genius Fancy Pants Rants)
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     Based on the timeline of Office Baker above, Shelley/Lovelady have 35 seconds at this point to arrive at the TSBD 1st Floor Loading Dock. And, as the above still frame makes clear, Shelley/Lovelady are Not even moving toward the TSBD front door. PLus, the steps leading up to the landing/front door are Jammed Packed with people. Whenever they do start toward the TSBD front door, Shelley/Lovelady would Not be moving toward the front door in a straight line. Their advancing toward the front door would be obstructed. The same goes for their advancing through the TSBD Lobby. The 1 Minute Tick/Tock does Not permit Shelley/Lovelady to reach the freight elevator.  Adams claiming that it took her 1 Minute MAX to go from the window to the 1st floor, has to be wrong for her to see Shelley and Lovelady at the freight elevator.

Look at Truly's starting position.
Does it look like he's moving toward the TSBD front door?
How do you reconcile this?
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LP--

I enjoyed your post.

AI version: Burkley's lawyer contacted the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977 to assert that Burkley possessed information indicating a multi-person participation in the assassination, but formal testimony was never recorded

Seems like an oversight on the part of the HSCA, a body that usually did good work.

There are reasons to have reasonable doubts regarding the WC narrative of the JFKA, foremost that the operating instructions from President LBJ were to find nothing that might trigger a nuke war.

The HSCA, also not staffed by kooks, concluded there had been a JFKA comspiracy.

My two cents: Where the JFKA research community has gone wrong is in relying on ideology to frame narratives--that is the CIA, or powerful US plutocrats perped the JFKA. Lately, it has been Mossad.

But why was President LBJ so concerned? More likely that LHO had ties to Moscow and Havana. Those leads were snuffed out early.

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This from a 2025 medical blog:

When Kennedy took office in 1961, Burkley was already known, cleared, and trusted. The new President’s naval aide recommended him. He was steady, discreet, politically safe. Not a famous specialist who might seek headlines — but a career officer who knew how to keep things quiet.

At first, George Burkley bore the quiet title of Assistant Physician to the President, working in the shadow of Janet Travell, the trailblazing internist Kennedy had installed in 1961 as his personal doctor. For more than two years they operated side by side—Travell, the civilian pioneer, tending to Kennedy’s battered back with her unorthodox therapies; Burkley, the Navy admiral, steady and discreet, covering the daily grind of travel, emergencies, and official duties.

Behind the image lay a body under siege: Addison’s disease, a spine fused by surgery, chronic infections, and a pharmacy’s worth of steroids, narcotics, and stimulants. By 1961, Kennedy was taking more medication than most patients twice his age.

Burkley was no longer the quiet assistant. By 1963, he had become the indispensable physician at Kennedy’s side — the Navy doctor who tracked the cortisone, stimulants, and painkillers that kept the President moving. He carried emergency vials on every trip abroad, adjusted regimens when fatigue or pain broke through, and kept a meticulous eye on the balance of drugs.

Travell still held the title of personal physician in Washington, but her experimental therapies and complicated routines were increasingly sidelined. In the day-to-day life of the presidency, it was Burkley who stood guard over the fragile machinery of Kennedy’s health.



Lance, contrast the sanitizing in the 2025 blog post with the then contemporary reported details and the Navy' s instantaneous moves to preserve its eyes and ears
on the Democratic party President!

Burkley did not have access the new position of WH Navy Nurse, did!

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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19630725&id=guFNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=J4sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7264,2070008

July 25, 1963

....Burkley, who had been assistant White House Physician since Feb., 1, 1961, pri- marily was responsible for maintenance of the basement dispensary of the office wing of the White House. It was here that he treated all members of the White House staff. Burkley's increased responsiblities were accompanied with a promotion from the rank of captain to rear admiral....

The two Navy nurses were literally rushed in, in February, 1961.

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/14604-new-fpcc-article-please-critique/page/3/#comment-251859
CMDR CORNELIUS re- ported aboard the White House on Feb. 13, after the fastest move in her 13-year Navy career.

"I was stationed at the Women's Officers School in Newport (R I) and thought I'd be there until summer when I was expected to be or- dered abroad," says Cmdr. Cornelius, recalling how her assignment came about.

"On Friday -- that was Feb. 3 -- I had taken a group of WAVE students to the Sub- marine Base at New London, when the tour officer boarded the bus and gave me a note to call Washington.

"I called the Director of the Nurse Corps (Capt. Ruth Houghton) and was told that she couldn't tell any details, but for me to be in Washing- ton Monday morning.

....."When I was told what it (the assignment) was, I was really in a state -- a state of shock. But, I came over here (to the White House) and saw Dr. Travell and Dr. George Burkley (Navy Capt. George G Burkley, assistant to Dr. Travell) and it was all set- tled.

"I flew back to Newport, was packed and had my fur- niture out by Wednesday. That was the fastest move I've ever made."

(Nurse Cornelius did not stay long....)

Washington Post June 25, 1961

The Service Set - Page F8

By Winzola McLendon

...Here And There:

The pretty blonde Navy nurse who stood guard over President Kennedy, Thurs- day, when he was felled by a virus, is like her famous patient, from Mass. She's from Worchester, is a graduate of the Boston College School of Nursing. The "very efficient" Lt Elizabeth Chapowicki came to the White House a little over a month ago from the surgical wards of the Navy Hospital. She replaced Lt. Cmdr. Dolores Cornelius as Dr. Janet Travell's nurse-secretary when the Commander left to take graduate work at Catholic University....

  On 5/9/2012 at 2:56 AM, Tom Scully said:
Youngstown Vindicator - Jun 22, 1961

He Is being attended by a Navy nurse, Lt. Elizabeth Chapowiclci, ... They had . sought news conferences several times since the President continued


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https://books.google.com/books?id=Eq39UQDzJIgC&pg=PA292&dq=%22he+is+probably+the+only+president+to+have+IVs+in+the+white+house.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hByuT5LZDMi2tweRoemHCQ&ved=0CDkQuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=%22he%20is%20probably%20the%20only%20president%20to%20have%20IVs%20in%20the%20white%20house.%22&f=false

White House Studies Compendium: Volume 6 - Page 292
books.google.com Anthony J. Eksterowicz - 2007 - 447 pages - Google eBook - Preview

page 290-

...Jacobsen's intrusion became only on of Travell's many problems as she began her tenure as the president's personal physcian. Following the inauguration she occupied Dr. Snyder's three offices along the lengthy corridor opposite the president's elevator on the first floor of the White House. Travell saw the president nearly daily either in her office or at his private second-fllor residence. She relied on a small staff to care for others in the executive offices; they included Vice Admiral George Burkley of the U.S. Navy Medical Corps, the assistant White House physician, whose west-basement office was intentionally far removed from Travell's and the president's. It would be two months before Travell introduced him to Kennedy. Almost from the outset Travell and Burkley developed a dislike for each other because of personal and professional differences.

In addition to her staff, Travell depended on several consultants who left their private practice whenever Travell summoned them -
- ....
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JFK brought his own physician with him. She blocked Dr. Burkley from all access to JFK,

This from a 2025 medical blog:

When Kennedy took office in 1961, Burkley was already known, cleared, and trusted. The new President’s naval aide recommended him. He was steady, discreet, politically safe. Not a famous specialist who might seek headlines — but a career officer who knew how to keep things quiet.

At first, George Burkley bore the quiet title of Assistant Physician to the President, working in the shadow of Janet Travell, the trailblazing internist Kennedy had installed in 1961 as his personal doctor. For more than two years they operated side by side—Travell, the civilian pioneer, tending to Kennedy’s battered back with her unorthodox therapies; Burkley, the Navy admiral, steady and discreet, covering the daily grind of travel, emergencies, and official duties.

Behind the image lay a body under siege: Addison’s disease, a spine fused by surgery, chronic infections, and a pharmacy’s worth of steroids, narcotics, and stimulants. By 1961, Kennedy was taking more medication than most patients twice his age.

Burkley was no longer the quiet assistant. By 1963, he had become the indispensable physician at Kennedy’s side — the Navy doctor who tracked the cortisone, stimulants, and painkillers that kept the President moving. He carried emergency vials on every trip abroad, adjusted regimens when fatigue or pain broke through, and kept a meticulous eye on the balance of drugs.

Travell still held the title of personal physician in Washington, but her experimental therapies and complicated routines were increasingly sidelined. In the day-to-day life of the presidency, it was Burkley who stood guard over the fragile machinery of Kennedy’s health.
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Yeah, right, what would he know? What was I even thinking?  ::)

It's reasonably clear to me that he believed there were two shots to the head. My guess is, he knew the autopsy had been fudged to avoid that reality. My guess is, he was speaking in terms of "others participating" and "conspiracy" solely on the basis of the medical evidence.

EVERY - and I mean EVERY - indication is that Burkley was less likely to invent tall tales that just about anyone in the entire JFKA panoply. If he was willing to talk to the HSCA, he had something that he thought was significant.

The SBT and the autopsy are the Achilles heels of the LN narrative even if it's correct.

The SBT is really a Single Bullet Fact. It is the only way it could have happened. If you disagree, give us a plausible alternative. Good luck with that.

It was a boneheaded decision to have the autopsy performed by general pathologists who did most of their work on victims of cancer and heart disease. I don't know who made that decision. Had people just followed the same procedures for John Kennedy's autopsy that they would have for John Doe, we would have gotten a much better autopsy. There were plenty of forensic medical examiners in the DC area they could have chosen for the task. Unfortunately, we don't get a do-over for that mistake. Flawed as it was, the prosectors gathered sufficient information to allow the FPP to confirm their core findings that JFK was shot twice from above and behind and that the bullet that entered his back exited from his throat. Enough photos and x-rays were taken for them to unanimously agree with that.
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