JFK Assassination Forum

Here is a fourth set of examples:

-- The problem of Oswald’s documented presence in the Depository’s second-floor lunchroom, with or without a Coke, within 90 seconds after the shooting is compounded by accounts that someone was in the sixth-floor window long after Oswald could not have been there.

Lillian Mooneyham, a clerk of the 95th District Court, watched the motorcade from windows in the Dallas Criminal Courts Building. She told the FBI that about four to five minutes after the shooting, “she looked up towards the sixth floor of the TSBD and observed the figure of a man standing in the sixth-floor window behind some cardboard boxes. This man appeared to Mrs. Mooneyham to be looking out of the window; however, the man was not close up to the window but was standing slightly back from it, so that Mrs. Mooneyham could not make out his features.”

Obviously, this man could not have been Oswald, and no policeman was in the sniper’s nest until at least 30 minutes later.

If Lillian Mooneyham wasn’t seeing things or wildly mistaken about when she saw the man in the sixth-floor window, the lone-gunman theory collapses.

The HSCA Photographic Evidence Panel (PEP) confirmed from the Dillard and Powell photos that boxes were being rearranged in the sixth-floor window “within two minutes after the last shot was fired” (6 HSCA 109-115; 4 HSCA 422-423). This is key photographic evidence that someone other than Oswald was in the sixth-floor window within two minutes after the shooting.

The few WC apologists who have addressed this crucial HSCA finding have floated the amateurish argument that the apparent movement of boxes is an optical illusion caused by a difference in perspective and sunlight in the two photos, specifically, that because the line of sight and sunlight are different in the photos, we are seeing different boxes in one photo than are visible in the other photo. However, the HSCA photographic experts specifically considered this explanation and rejected it (4 HSCA 422-423).

The most detailed analysis of the HSCA PEP’s historic finding on the post-assassination movement of boxes in the sniper’s nest is Barry Krusch’s 55-page analysis in his book Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald, Volume 3, pp. 25-70. Krusch shows beyond any doubt that the HSCA PEP experts were correct. He also shows that WC counsel David Belin recognized that the boxes in CE 482 (the Dillard photo) were not in the same position as the boxes in the police evidence photo of the sniper’s nest taken after 1:12 PM (CE 715).

-- If all the experts, including the HSCA PEP experts, who’ve concluded that the Zapruder film shows JFK reacting to a wound starting at right around Z200 and that this shot was fired at around Z186-190, the lone-gunman theory collapses.

Anyone who knows the basics of the JFK case knows that a gunman in the sixth-floor window would have had his view of JFK obstructed from Z166-207 by the intervening oak tree on the north side of Elm Street. This is one reason that the fiercest debate among the HSCA PEP members was over the conclusion that a shot was fired at Z186-190, but a solid majority of the PEP experts supported the finding, to their great credit.

Another indication that JFK was hit at around Z190 and began to react at around Z200 is that Jackie Kennedy, starting at about Z202, clearly notices that something is wrong with JFK. By Z202-204, Jackie has made a sudden sharp turn to the right, toward
her husband. When she reemerges into view at Z223, she is looking intently at
JFK. Obviously, her attention was drawn to him because the reaction that
he had begun at around Z200 had become more noticeable while the car was
behind the freeway sign.

Also, the HSCA PEP experts noted that a strong blur episode begins at around Z189.

Some Oswald-was-the-shooter researchers, recognizing the validity of the Z186-190 shot and JFK’s Z200-207 reaction to it, have suggested that the sixth-floor gunman fired this shot at Z186, during the split-second break in the oak tree's foliage. However, the gunman would have had only 1/18th of a second to aim and fire this shot, but the human eye requires 1/6th of a second to register and react to data. Even the WC admitted it was unlikely the alleged single assassin would have fired during the 56-millisecond break in the foliage at Z186.

For more information on the Z186-190 shot, see “Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film,” https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view.

See also Don Olson and Ralph Turner, “Photographic Evidence and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy,” Journal of Forensic Sciences, 16:4, October 1971, pp. 399-419, http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/J%20Disk/Journal%20of%20Forensic%20Science/Item%2001.pdf

BTW, all three volumes of Barry Krusch's book Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald are available online in PDF format. He has combined all three volumes into a single PDF file online. In the PDF version, his analysis of the HSCA PEP's conclusion that boxes were rearranged within two minutes after the shooting is on pp. 657-690. Here's the link:

https://krusch.com/books/Impossible_Case_Against_Lee_Harvey_Oswald.pdf

How future LHO-KGB apologist George Kisevalter helped protect a mole in 1962


The following is a long excerpt from Tennent H. Bagley’s 2007 book, Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games, which you can read for free by googling “spy wars” and “archive” simultaneously.

Background:

CIA’s spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov was betrayed by a high-level mole in the CIA in early 1957. Instead of arresting him right away, the KGB fabricated at least three scenarios so he could be secretly arrested twenty-two months later in such a way that wouldn’t implicate the mole. First, the KGB reposted him from Vienna to Germany where he was responsible for sending KGB “Illegals” to the U.S. An Illegals officer he didn’t know, Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov [who would implausibly “walk in” to the FBI’s NYC field office in late 1961 when everyone who had been involved with Popov was being recalled to Moscow], escorted an Illegal by the name Margarita Tairova to him so she could be sent on her way to NYC. She later said she’d noticed an FBI surveillance team following her in Germany [the FBI didn’t surveil her there] and another one in The Big Apple when she arrived there, and that’s why she’d terminated the operation and returned to Moscow. Second, when Popov was at his own birthday party in Moscow, a GRU officer he hadn’t seen for a long time showed up unexpectedly. Third, a Serbian woman he’d recruited years earlier in Vienna and who had become his mistress, turned anti-Communist after the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and told the Viennese police that she was in a romantic relationship with Popov. This intel soon made its way to Moscow.

Here’s the excerpt from Spy Wars.

My comments are in brackets.


On 18 March 1959, nearly two months after [George Winters, a CIA co-optee at the American Embassy, had mailed an unnecessary-and-intercepted-by-KGB letter to him], Popov [who’d been recalled to Moscow in November 1958 from his Illegals job in Berlin ostensibly regarding an American student he’d recruited] came to a meeting in the uniform of a full colonel in the Transportation Corps, to which he had been transferred from the GRU. He gave [his CIA handler, Russell] Langelle a booklet of notes and said he was soon to be transferred to the Sverdlovsk region. In July CIA passed him questions about missile launch facilities in that area. Popov’s information was now noticeably less valuable than what he had supplied in Germany. This worried CIA, of course, but could be explained by his reduced access to top-level information. The real reason became clear in September. The KGB had arrested Popov and doubled him back against us. In the men’s room of the Aragvi Restaurant, after motioning Langelle to be silent and indicating that he was wired for sound, Popov passed to him a cigarette-sized roll of paper. On both sides of seven or eight narrow pieces of toilet paper -- about half the size of a square of Western toilet paper, and of a rough brown texture -- Popov had neatly block-printed in pencil a message that I present here translated and paraphrased:

• I was arrested as a result of KGB surveillance of the mailing [by George Winters] of the re-contact letter.*

• I was under suspicion and recalled from Berlin because of my relations with Mili with [his mistress in Yugoslavia] and because of the Illegal woman in New York [Margarita Tairova, whom future false defector to the FBI, Dmitry Polyakov had escorted to him in East Berlin to forward to NYC], who fled after she noted that her baggage had been tampered with in her U.S. hotel. She claimed that she’d been tailed all the way from Germany. [In reality she’d been surveilled by the FBI only in NYC]

• I told them that you recruited me at the end of November 1953, and that I had given you no documentary material and nothing in writing except during the Schwerin period. Apart from these two lies, I told them the whole truth.

• Because the KGB believed I had confessed fully, they are using me in this double agent game. I was told that if I cooperate, my sentence might be only fifteen years. Thus I beg you to act as if you know nothing about the trap.

• I will keep you informed about my situation and the KGB’s intentions.

• I hope that if this meeting and the next one go well, the KGB will trust me and maybe let me go to Berlin, where I may have a chance to escape.

• Do not take any chances. When you go to a meeting with me, take plenty of cover.

• In the December meeting I will supply a detailed report. 8

This KGB game, said the note [which had been written by the KGB and which the KGB had created a wound to Popov’s hand so it could be “hidden” under the bandage], was being handled by KGB officers Zvezdenkov and Sumin under the direction of counterintelligence chief Oleg Gribanov. It added gratuitously that the KGB “knows a lot about the American Embassy” and mentioned by name, for no apparent reason, some of Popov’s former GRU colleagues. The note claimed, quite improbably, that Popov himself, and not the KGB, had provided some (unspecified) parts of the information he had passed to CIA while under KGB control. It also speculated that the KGB might be planning to use Popov in a propaganda coup. CIA was of course willing to carry on playacting to protect Popov, but at the next brush pass on 9 October 1959 -- the meeting that his note had begged CIA to attend with “plenty of cover” -- the KGB brought the play to an abrupt halt. As Langelle stepped off a Moscow bus on which Popov had slipped him some written information, the KGB arrested him. After Langelle had refused their offer to help him out of his trouble if he would cooperate, the KGB expelled him from the country. They left George Winters [the Embassy employee who had mistakenly mailed the unnecessary letter to Popov] untouched and unmentioned to the end of his tour of duty more than a year later. 9 Only years later did the Soviet press begin vilifying Winters as a spy and even then without referring to the Popov case. On 20 October 1959 Izvestiya, as always the voice of the government, briefly noted the expulsion of Langelle, without naming the spy he had been meeting. It was not until a year later that the Soviet press mentioned -- without connecting this to Langelle -- that an “Army Lt. Col. P.” had been executed. In publications through the 1960s and as late as 1979 they still withheld his name, giving it variously as “P” or “Petrov.” Through the 1960s, writings by leading KGB officials intentionally distorted the details of the affair to convey the impression that the KGB did not even know when CIA recruited Popov, giving dates varying from 1951 to 1956. If CIA were to accept [false defector-in-place Yuri] Nosenko’s (and the Popov note’s) account of the letter mailing -- and Nosenko’s version of [KGB General Vladislav] Kovshuk’s trip to Washington [to ostensibly reestablish contact with a cipher machine mechanic he’d recruited in Moscow but in reality to meet in January 1957 with just-fired-from-CIA Edward Ellis Smith or high-level Office of Security officer Bruce Solie in D.C. movie houses so they could betray Pyotr Popov to him] -- it could breathe a sigh of relief in the confidence that Popov’s tragic downfall was due to mischance -- not something more sinister, like a mole. But Nosenko’s version clashed with known facts. Even high-level KGB sources later said GRU chief General Shalin was fired because of the revelation of Popov’s treason -- and he was fired in early December 1958, right after Popov’s return to Russia and seven weeks before the letter mailing to which Nosenko had attributed Popov’s downfall. And surely the KGB would not have left Popov free, perhaps to run away, when alerted to his danger by the (published) news of Shalin’s fall. The KGB itself admitted after the Cold War that it had Popov under tight surveillance (more likely, under control) and that the surveillants saw him meet Langelle more than a week before the letter mailing. 10 Veterans conversant with the KGB’s detention procedures stated categorically that Popov could not have genuinely written, hidden, and passed this note undetected -- much less with such excess verbiage and without any strikeover or sign of haste. A picture was taking shape. One could see the KGB taking pains to protect its real source (Smith) [and/or Solie] by delaying [from January 1957 until late 1958] Popov’s recall [to Moscow] from Berlin and using him, after a secret arrest, as a double agent in Moscow. This would draw a CIA person from the Embassy [Langelle] to contact him so he could ostensibly be exposed by “routine surveillance of diplomats” -- the story told by Popov’s note and by Nosenko. Indeed, Kovshuk did not go to Washington for the cipher-machine mechanic [whom he waited nine months to finally look up]. When Andrey [Dayle W. Smith] was finally identified and interviewed by the FBI, his account made that clear.

. . . . . . . .

My comments:

*Interestingly, probable mole George Kisevalter “confirmed” the letter story to Bagley in June 1962 right after false defector-in-place Nosenko had told them about it in a Geneva safe house.

The following is from Bagley’s Spy Wars.

In the course of our first meeting with George, Nosenko told us how Popov was caught.

“It was surveillance,” he said. “Our guys were routinely tailing George Winters, an attaché at your embassy. Some time in early 1959 they saw him drop a letter into a street mailbox. It was written in Russian with a false return address and addressed to Popov.

“That was all we needed — diplomats don’t post innocent letters to GRU officers. Popov was put under twenty-four-hour surveillance. Within a few days they followed him to a clandestine meeting with [Russell] Langelle, the American Embassy security officer. They arrested Popov a few days later, interrogated and got his confession, and ran him for a while as a double agent before closing the operation down. Langelle was arrested moments after Popov handed him some reports the KGB had concocted.
As usual in such cases, they tried to recruit him. Langelle refused and got kicked out on his diplomatic ass. Popov was tried and shot.”

Here was poignant confirmation for Kisevalter, who knew that Popov had told the same story in a note he surreptitiously passed to Langelle a month before the fatal meeting.

“Yes,” George told me after the meeting, “Winters did mail that damned letter, and that was never published in the press. This guy really has the inside story.”

George and I had debriefed many a source in our careers and knew the areas of primary national intelligence and counterintelligence interest. Headquarters intervened only once, with a list of names and code names brought to Geneva by a Headquarters security officer [probable mole Bruce Solie]. We weren’t told their origin, and I learned only later that they were follow-ups to leads given by the recent KGB defector Anatoly Golitsyn [to Solie’s confidant, protege, and mole-hunting subordinate, James Angleton]. Nosenko drew a blank on all of them.


My comment:

Kisevalter defended Yuri "The KGB Had Nothing To Do With Oswald In The USSR" Nosenko from Tennent H. Bagley after he physically "defected" to the U.S. in February 1964.

Two sets of tramps were arrested in the railroad yards. The pictured tramps are Rogers, Harrelson and Chauncey Holt. Lois Gibson identified Holt and Harrelson while the third "Frenchy" was Rogers.

      There are No 11/22/63 images of a "Boxcar" being inside the Rail Road Yard. There are 11/22/63 images of "Passenger" train cars inside the RR Yard. This raises 2 questions: (1) How far from the alleged "boxcar" did DPD walk with these 3 Tramps in order for them to be photographed in front of the Huge Gates? (2) Has a "Passenger" train car somehow been confused with a "Boxcar?   

LP-

The Bigfoot craze was big in the 1960-70s, along with the Manchurian Candidate idea.

I guess there are still some Bigfooters out there, but the Manchurian Candidate crowd seems to have dwindled into nothingness.

There are some who still hold that Sirhan Sirhan was brainwashed into shooting RFK.  But in all the decades since, no more Manchurian Candidates have surfaced.

Just like we never saw a Bigfoot. Or even their scat. Or dens. Or hairs that can be DNA-sampled.

Maybe it was Manchurian Bigfoot all along?

Dear FPR,

I can totally understand your not giving a flying you-know-what if your beloved Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") is owned by a fascistic revanchist multi-billionaire thug with a "Master Plan" skill set, as long as he (The Traitorous Orange Bird -- rhymes with "Xxxx") follows through on implementing Project 2025 and deporting all people of Godless color from your lily-white EDIT: future Disneyland.

Your disinterest in things KGB explains why you're so ignorant about (or actually love?) what it's been doing to us and our NATO allies since 1959, might be causing you to miss out on different perspectives on your favorite hoot -- the JFKA -- and definitely explains why you carelessly post anti-Golitsyn / pro-Nosenko screeds by the likes of "useful idiot" Barry Royden.

In a nutshell (pardon the pun), because it scares you to death to countenance the possibility that Putin, plus his St. Petersburg professional trolls and his KGB/GRU hackers and Julian Assange and Paul Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik and Oleg Deripaska and Fox News, et al. ad nauseum (and, most importantly, oodles and gobs of highly intelligent but ignorant-as-all-get-out zombified-by-fifty-plus-years-of-KGB-"active measures" goombahs like you) installed you-know-who in 2017 and 2025.

Hint: The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx").

And you thought you were being so clever.

-- Tom

Dear FPR,

I was still editing it while you were vigorously trying to think of something clever to say.

So here it is, "again."

-- Tom

PS I should have said, "the future lily-white Disneyland of your dreams."

My bad.