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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 11:28:02 PM »
There is no indication in the record that the 7 members of the Warren Commission ever saw the Zapruder film during their investigation.
It was staff working alongside the FBI that examined the film in conjunction with the Nix film, which was later lost by the FBI.
The Z film was only shown on the stand for FBI Agent Shaneyfelt. Even then, the entire Commission was not present.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by Joffrey van de Wiel on Yesterday at 11:16:35 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 10:27:03 PM
   BUMP

Didn't Commission counsel watch the film with the Governor and his wife and some of the doctors that treated him at Parkland? I seem to recall something like that.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Are there any "researchers" here who started out as LNs but who are now CTs?
« Last post by Joffrey van de Wiel on Yesterday at 11:13:59 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:06:03 AM
Garrison lied in his 1988 book, On the Trail of the Assassins, when he said he didn't find out until after the 1969 trial that the (Communist-owned) Italian newspaper Paese Sera had published an article three days after he had arrested Clay Shaw in March 1967 (on suspicion of having masterminded a homosexual thrill-kill assassination of JFK!!!), which alleged that Shaw was a CIA agent and that he had tried to help it reinstate Fascism in Italy in the 1950s!!!

Well Tom, I am still going to read the book. I find it hard to believe that Garrison didn't uncover anything of value in his long investigation of Oswald in New Orleans. Also curious about the source for the question asked of Marina Oswald on the night of the 24th of November if I recall the date correctly: if her husband had known a David Ferry (sic).

Ferrie, Banister, Shaw, Dean Andrews, the Cubans, Sergio Arcacha Smith etc, it will be an interesting read.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 10:27:03 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:16:57 PM
    "The Z-film lacked sound...."  The WC did NOT watch the Z Film. If you're gonna applaud these boobs, you need to bone up on what they elected to do and Not do. They knew viewing the Z-Film would immediately put them in the Jackpot.

   BUMP
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:10:22 PM »
I just saw on ebay lots of copies of the 26 volumes being sold with the lowest asking price being $2500. A set signed by 3 of the commissioners was asking $6500. I don't know why anyone would shell out thousands of dollars for something that is available online for free. They are also available on DVDs for reasonable prices. Maybe the sets have some collectible value but with so many in circulation, I doubt they have that much value as collectibles. Of course, if I could find a Carcano the same model as Oswald's, I'd probably be willing to shell out a several hundred dollars for it, so I sort of understand people wanting the original printed volumes.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Yesterday at 08:24:38 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 07:46:39 PM
Where the hell did you get that idea. They even included individual frames. See CE888+.
Not only did they see the film they got Time/Life to send them the original to examine. It was reportedly much clearer than the copies the WC had. According to David Belin, he and others watched it hundreds of times, over multiple hours.

It was CE 396 and 398.

From Shenon's "A Cruel and Shocking Act."

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 07:46:39 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:16:57 PM
    "The Z-film lacked sound...."  The WC did NOT watch the Z Film. If you're gonna applaud these boobs, you need to bone up on what they elected to do and Not do. They knew viewing the Z-Film would immediately put them in the Jackpot.

Where the hell did you get that idea. They even included individual frames. See CE888+.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:16:57 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:34:48 PM
The WC and their staff lawyers were the ones that vetted it. The evidence came to them in raw form, completely unvetted. The 26 volumes were not intended to provide conclusions. They were a presentation of what the WCR conclusions were based on. When they came across conflicting evidence, they resolved the conflicts where they could and gave reasons why they would accept one eyewitness account and dismiss the conflicting account.  When they couldn't resolve the conflicts, they said so and gave their reasons why they could not reach a definitive conclusion. That's why they never concluded which of Oswald's 3 shots missed. The Z-film lacked sound and the witness accounts were contradictory.

    "The Z-film lacked sound...."  The WC did NOT watch the Z Film. If you're gonna applaud these boobs, you need to bone up on what they elected to do and Not do. They knew viewing the Z-Film would immediately put them in the Jackpot.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 05:34:48 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 05:25:44 PM
   So the WC came to a conclusion on the assassination of JFK, with 26 VOLUMES of evidence and data Not having been vetted for value or relevance? "Masterful"? More like, "Send In The Clowns".

The WC and their staff lawyers were the ones that vetted it. The evidence came to them in raw form, completely unvetted. The 26 volumes were not intended to provide conclusions. They were a presentation of what the WCR conclusions were based on. When they came across conflicting evidence, they resolved the conflicts where they could and gave reasons why they would accept one eyewitness account and dismiss the conflicting account.  When they couldn't resolve the conflicts, they said so and gave their reasons why they could not reach a definitive conclusion. That's why they never concluded which of Oswald's 3 shots missed. The Z-film lacked sound and the witness accounts were contradictory.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 05:28:47 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 04:36:11 PM
Yes it does seem ludicrous which is why it’s on Andrew and not us, to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot , beyond just his drawings and words which is why I suggested that it would take an experiment to overcome the many logically deduced criticisms that you and I and others have posted in this thread.
I wanted to try an experiment but I had trouble finding someone who would agree to be shot.  There was also a problem in drafting an effective consent form but I never got that far.
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