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Why do you have to tell blatant lies to make your points. Nobody ever said what you put in quotes. When you put something in quotes, it should be word for word what the person actually said. It's a very easy thing to quote somebody accurately by doing a Copy and Paste. Instead, you choose to make a strawman argument against something nobody said. Nobody said what you put in quotes and your words twisted the point we have actually made. We were speaking about the admissibility of the evidence which is different than the authenticity. Courts will sometimes declare authentic evidence inadmissible if the police or the prosecution failed to dot the i's and cross the t's. Of course, no one would expect an Oswald denier such as yourself to understand the difference.

I quoted you accurately.

Are you still pretending fiber matching isn't real evidence? Are you still pretending our courts haven't accepted that as valid evidence for decades?

that's why the words "valid evidence" are in quotes.

I also have not misrepresented what you said, because you do keep going on and on about what courts have accepted for decades.

We were speaking about the admissibility of the evidence which is different than the authenticity.

Who is "we"?

Admissibility is indeed different than authenticity. Courts do allow all sorts of evidence to come in but not all evidence is actually proof of anything!

And besides, you were rambling on about "valid evidence" which clearly is not the case when the evidence isn't or can't be authenticated.

But keep digging your hole, if you like

You have got to laugh about the LN BS

On the one hand we have just had three LNs basically saying "once Oswald was dead nobody cared about the authenticity of the evidence".
Which of course means that they just threw bits and pieces together to wrap the case around an already dead man who couldn't defend himself.

And then on the other hand this clown keeps going on about what courts have accepted as "valid evidence".

Why do you have to tell blatant lies to make your points. Nobody ever said what you put in quotes. When you put something in quotes, it should be word for word what the person actually said. It's a very easy thing to quote somebody accurately by doing a Copy and Paste. Instead, you choose to make a strawman argument against something nobody said. Nobody said what you put in quotes and your words twisted the point we have actually made. We were speaking about the admissibility of the evidence which is different than the authenticity. Courts will sometimes declare authentic evidence inadmissible if the police or the prosecution failed to dot the i's and cross the t's. Of course, no one would expect an Oswald denier such as yourself to understand the difference.

The only thing that's cracked is your brain from the lack of comprehension. The mere fact that you keep falsely posting that our research states Zionsist waxed JFK proves you lack not only analytical skills but haven't read our articles. I'm going to say this for the last time, our research isn't claiming that the Clean Towel truck "waxed" JFK you moron. We started our articles March of 2025 but not one word from you on them back then until now. One of the reasons you were banned from the Ed Forum is what you're doing now, falsely stating other peoples research without even reading it. Keep posting Benny, your ignorance is shining brightly on this subject. I knew you were full of shit when you ended posts over at the Edu Forum with your phrase thanks for your "collegial thoughts."

OK in your CT, explain the interactions and connections between LHO and Solie.

Was there a cut-out?

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In his 2022 book, Uncovering Popov's Mole, researcher and former military intelligence officer John Newman presents a significant, revised thesis regarding the connections between CIA Office of Security manager Bruce Solie and Lee Harvey Oswald. Newman argues that Bruce Solie—long considered a trusted, senior mole-hunter under [sic] James Angleton—was actually the KGB "mole" within the CIA that Angleton was searching for.

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Newman’s central claims regarding the connection include:

Solie as the "Handler" or Architect:

Newman argues that Solie, acting as a KGB mole, was the "diabolical mind" who manipulated the Oswald case behind the scenes, effectively directing Oswald's, or influencing his, actions.

The Moscow "Dangle":

Newman posits that Solie orchestrated or engineered Lee Harvey Oswald's 1959 trip to Moscow. He suggests Oswald was sent as a "dangle"—a false defector or bait in a complex game of intelligence—designed to fail and to misdirect CIA investigations.

Duping James Angleton:

According to Newman, Solie did not just operate independently but likely duped his superior, CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton, into handling the Oswald case in a way that protected the mole's (Solie's) true activities.

Reversal of Previous Theory:

This view marks a major shift from Newman's earlier work (such as the 2008 edition of Oswald and the CIA), where he previously focused on Angleton himself as the potential mastermind of the deception surrounding Oswald.

. . . . . .

This is all a fascinating narrative...but what is the connection between LHO, a regular Marine, and Solie, high on CIA's HQ in Langley?

How did Solie "engineer or orchestrate" LHO into Russia? That seems like quite a trick.

In this CT, Solie instigated LHO's trip, and provided him with instructions re Helsinki (but how, through a cut-out?), and then to pass through Snyder...Snyder, who kept mum to his grave about his knowledge of Solie-LHO nexus.

That is a quite a tale! And were there any other plotters involved?

Note: Your AI source or Wikipedia is wrong.

Solie didn't work under Angleton.

If anything, it was the other way around.

Regardless, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, nor do I know which songs Oswald and "stupid, uneducated, anti-Communist" Marina danced to at the shindig that her MVD Colonel uncle urged her to attend.

Let me know when you've got it all figured out.

I'll be waiting with bated breath.

And while you're at it, please find out why someone with the authority to do so arranged with the Office of Mail Logistics and the Records Integration Division for all of the incoming non-CIA cables about Oswald's upcoming defection to be routed to the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (where Solie was Deputy Chief) instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division -- and why the most startling of those cables, i.e., those mentioning that he'd threatened to tell the Soviets everything he knew about Marine Corps radar "and something of special interest," disappeared into a "black hole" there until after the assassination of JFK.

Oh, and while you're at it, please explain to me why so many "marked card"-like misstatements were embedded in the CIA and FBI documents about Oswald and his defection if not to constitute a hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" / "Popov's Mole" in the aforementioned Soviet Russia Division.

Rhetorical question: Can we see the hand(s) of probable moles Bruce Leonard Solie (the CIA's primary mole hunter and Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior) and Leonard V. McCoy (a high-level Soviet Russia Division Reports and Requirements officer) at work here?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48692#relPageId=3

Thanks.

OK in your CT, explain the interactions and connections between LHO and Solie.

Was there a cut-out?

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In his 2022 book, Uncovering Popov's Mole, researcher and former military intelligence officer John Newman presents a significant, revised thesis regarding the connections between CIA Office of Security manager Bruce Solie and Lee Harvey Oswald. Newman argues that Bruce Solie—long considered a trusted, senior mole-hunter under James Angleton—was actually the KGB "mole" within the CIA that Angleton was searching for.
Wikipedia
Wikipedia
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Newman’s central claims regarding the connection include:
Solie as the "Handler" or Architect: Newman argues that Solie, acting as a KGB mole, was the "diabolical mind" who manipulated the Oswald case behind the scenes, effectively directing Oswald's, or influencing his, actions.
The Moscow "Dangle": Newman posits that Solie orchestrated or engineered Lee Harvey Oswald's 1959 trip to Moscow. He suggests Oswald was sent as a "dangle"—a false defector or bait in a complex game of intelligence—designed to fail and to misdirect CIA investigations.
Duping James Angleton: According to Newman, Solie did not just operate independently but likely duped his superior, CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton, into handling the Oswald case in a way that protected the mole's (Solie's) true activities.
Reversal of Previous Theory: This view marks a major shift from Newman's earlier work (such as the 2008 edition of Oswald and the CIA), where he previously focused on Angleton himself as the potential mastermind of the deception surrounding Oswald.

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This is all a fascinating narrative...but what is the connection between LHO, a regular Marine, and Solie, high on CIA's HQ in Langley?

How did Solie "engineer or orchestrate" LHO into Russia? That seems like quite a trick.

In this CT, Solie instigated LHO's trip, and provided him with instructions re Helsinki (but how, through a cut-out?), and then to pass through Snyder...Snyder, who kept mum to his grave about his knowledge of Solie-LHO nexus.

That is a quite a tale! And were there any other plotters involved?