JFK Assassination Forum

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As usual, in chaotic situations, there are eyewitnesses and other eyewitnesses.

However, three eyewitnesses place Sirhan close enough to RFK for the fatal shot, and Coroner Noguchi's estimates of the gunshot distance are only that, estimates.

Sirhan said that RFK turned suddenly away when he (Sirhan) put his gun towards RFK's face. So that explains the shot to the rear of RFK's head.

In addition, witnesses described all gun shot reports as the same in pitch and volume---in other words, all shots sounded as if they were the same, from Sirhan's .22 or an identical .22.

This tends to rule out the idea that RFK was shot from behind by security guard Eugene Thane Cesar, who was armed with a .38. BTW, Cesar's connections to the "Deep State" are non-existent.

That said, Larry Hancock and John Hunt did careful work (see Hunt's book), and concluded that more than eight shots were fired that night in the Ambassador.

It is risible Sirhan was hypnotized, although he may have been deranged, and put himself into a state or stupor.

Sirhan was a loveless, nearly penniless, diminutive, baleful anti-Semitic crackpot, who murdered RFK for the Senator's support of Israel, and said so many times.

I open to the idea Sirhan's brother, a Palestinian extremist who bought the .22 handgun for Sirhan, could have also fired some shots that night. There were many reports of someone who looked a lot like Sirhan at the Ambassador.

The LA DA wanted a prosecutable case, and went with the LN narrative.

MTG:

Verily, Mossad perped the JFKA. Even Jeff Morley dog-whistled as much of Tucker Carlson's show.

I know. It's just crazy. And embarrassing.

Something ugly is happening on America's left-wing. You see Hasan Piker. The justifications for murdering healthcare industry executives, or Charlie Kirk.

I agree that elements of America's left wing are becoming deranged and extreme. No doubt about it. I think this is also happening to elements of America's right wing, though not to the degree that it's happening to the left wing.

The IRGC gets a pass; no one cares about 40k slaughtered in the streets of Iran.

Indeed. The radical left also gives a pass to Hamas and Hezbollah, ignoring the thousands of people they have murdered (and not just Israelis but also some Muslims who've refused to support jihad).

The exoneration and valorization of Sirhan Sirhan, and the accusations against Mossad, in the RFKA and JFKA.

I, too, reject as absurd the accusations against the Mossad, but I don't believe that Sirhan killed RFK. He was never in position to fire from point-blank range into the back of RFK's head. Acoustical evidence shows that more shots were fired in the pantry than Sirhan's gun could have fired. However, I do not view Sirhan as a noble figure by any means. At the time, he was virulently anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic.

To follow up on my previous post on this subject, it appears the source for the AI response I cited was the from the OP of this thread posted by Tom Graves. If I understand correctly, he cited an AARC document so it's off to another source for further confirmation or refutation of the statement. My previous search of the HSCA Report did not find a mention of the dented shell in it's findings. It did conclude that CE543 and the other two shells had been fired by Oswald's rifle.

This thread is a good example of the refusal of lone-gunman theorists to deal credibly and factually with hard physical evidence that refutes their theory.

One of the things that led firearms expert Howard Donahue to doubt the Warren Commission's version of the shooting was that he realized there was no way CE 543 could have been used to fire a bullet during the assassination. He also realized that the HSCA's firearms experts were blowing smoke when they falsely claimed they had produced shells that were as dented as CE 543 in their test firings (as I've mentioned, anyone can look at the HSCA's shells and see that not of them is dented as severely as CE 543).

A number of other firearms experts have studied the matter and have agreed with Donahue that CE 543 simply could not have been used to fire a bullet during the shooting. I discuss this fact in my article "The Dented Bullet Shell: Hard Evidence of Conspiracy in the JFK Assassination" (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ihue8a0GmN_Ptl38bPjpu1F99nqU0Z6f/view).

The evidence that CE 543 could not have fired a bullet on 11/22/63 is so strong that some anti-conspiracy researchers have actually acknowledged it and have proposed the theory that the alleged lone gunman only fired two shots. (However, this theory is rejected even by the vast majority of lone-gunman theorists.)

A few of these commentators have also theorized that the supposed single assassin did not fire the ammo that hit JFK's head but that Secret Service agent George Hickey, riding in the follow-up car, accidentally shot JFK in the head. This is the mortal error theory. It has few adherents, but it is partly based on sound forensic science.

Donahue was the first one to propose the mortal error theory. He did so because he knew there was no way that JFK's head was hit by the kind of ammo that Oswald allegedly used, i.e., FMJ ammo. He knew that the forensic evidence clearly showed that JFK's head was hit by high-velocity frangible ammo, not by low-/medium-velocity full-metal-jacketed (FMJ) ammo. This fact was confirmed by one of the world's leading forensic pathologists, Dr. Vincent DiMaio, in his highly acclaimed book Gunshot Wounds.

The ammo that hit JFK's head left dozens of tiny fragments in the right-frontal region of the skull, along with a few small fragments near the entry point in the back of the head. An FMJ bullet would have never behaved in this manner. Here's what DiMaio said about FMJ bullets leaving numerous fragments (a "snowstorm") inside a skull (which is what we see in the right front on JFK's lateral autopsy x-ray):

In x-rays of through-and-through gunshot wounds, the presence of small fragments of metal along the wound track virtually rules out full metal-jacketed ammunition.... In rare instances, involving full metal-jacketed centerfire rifle bullets, a few small, dust-like fragments of lead may be seen on x-ray if the bullet perforates bone. One of the most characteristic x-rays and one that will indicate the type of weapon and ammunition used is that seen from centerfire rifles firing hunting ammunition. In such a case, one will see a “lead snowstorm” [Figure 11.4]. In high-quality x-rays, the majority of the fragments visualized have a fine “dust-like” quality. Such a picture rules out full metal-jacketed rifle ammunition or a shotgun slug. (Gunshot Wounds, CRC Press, Boca Raton, 1999, p. 318, emphasis added).

For more information on the evidence that JFK's head must have been hit by high-velocity frangible ammo, see https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3641.0.html.

The mortal error theory has been debunked. Hickey never fired a shot during the assassination. All of his ammo was accounted for almost immediately after the shooting. No one in the follow-up car saw or heard him fire a shot. However, the mortal error theory at least acknowledges that JFK's head must have been bit by high-velocity frangible ammo.