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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?

« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:18:15 PM »

Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 05:53:05 AM

Connally was mixed up and you're way off.

If he was mixed up, one would expect that he would have said inconsistent things in subsequent statements. I don't see that he has done that. It is just that in this earliest interview for the WC investigation he provides a bit more detail.

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Rhetorical question:

Why is it we can see almost all of Connally's white shirt in Z-174, but we can't see his tie?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z174.jpg

Answer:

Because Connally, having consciously begun by Z-151 to turn his head quickly to his LEFT (and therefore being captured "looking straight ahead" in the Croft photo at Z-161), by Z-169 has started turning his head and upper torso back to his right to see where the shot had come from and to see if JFK is okay.

Why not use a clearer close-up view:

We can see the right side of his shirt that is interrupted by Kellerman's right shoulder and the mirror but continues below until cut off by the car. We can see that the tie is blocked by the frame of the side window and the right side of his shirt is in the shade. We can just barely make out the shaded right side of his shirt through the side window. We can see that he is looking to the right front at about a 2 o'clock direction.

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By Z-174, Connally's upper torso is turned so far to his right that his tie is obscured from our view by a part of the car.

Although Connally continues turning to his right, he can't "see" JFK in Z-179 because JFK has turned HIS head far to HIS right and has raised his hand to wave to someone.

That does not describe what JBC said he saw. He sensed that something was wrong with JFK. Had he seen JFK smiling and waving to the crowd, why would he have said what he said?

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Jeff Morley the IRGC $tooge...And Key Luna Com'tee Staffer?

« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 03:40:58 PM »

Quote from: Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:09:45 PM

Right now they are organizing under the reformation of The Education Forum and presenting the bogus Prayer Man theory before Congress...It is a research clique that has formed under Iler (who is just a front man for DiEugenio) and The Education Forum that doesn't answer to facts and decides who lives and dies in the research community via banning and censorship... Pat Speer directly depend on it silencing those who can point out the flaws in what they write...Speer talks a big talk but then slithers back to censorship to avoid answering...Speer fears me because he gloated about me not being allowed back on the forum...

“Before congress”? Or before a Housebsubcommittee chaired by
a MAGA Luna-tic ?

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Jeff Morley the IRGC $tooge...And Key Luna Com'tee Staffer?

« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:09:45 PM »

Quote from: Benjamin Cole on July 16, 2026, 01:12:12 AM

Ideologues or stooges are nothing new in the JFKA space.

Right now they are organizing under the reformation of The Education Forum and presenting the bogus Prayer Man theory before Congress...It is a research clique that has formed under Iler (who is just a front man for DiEugenio) and The Education Forum that doesn't answer to facts and decides who lives and dies in the research community via banning and censorship... Pat Speer directly depends on it silencing those who can point out the flaws in what they write...Speer talks a big talk but then slithers back to censorship to avoid answering...Speer fears me because he gloated about me not being allowed back on the forum...

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman

« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:58:33 PM »

Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:45:13 PM

Yes, I have seen the SS Pics of "A" windshield. The images of the windshield I refer to were taken at Parkland Hospital, only minutes after the car arrived there, and only minutes after JFK had been removed from the vehicle. Now, put yourself in a jury box. Which images of the windshield are You going to place your trust in?

If I'm in the jury box, I'd put my faith in whatever pictures were presented unless one side or another presented evidence the pictures were fabricated. Of course, if credible evidence of forgery was presented, the judge might rule the pictures inadmissible. I'm not a lawyer but my experience on four different juries tells me it's likely any objections one side or the other had to pictures presented by the other side would not be done in the presence of the jury. The judge would rule on admissibility BEFORE the jury was allowed to see them.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Identification Of Pauline Sanders In Darnell

« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 02:57:59 PM »

The JFK internet coddles Bart Kamp and protects his garbage claims...

A good example is Eli Frame whose unquestioning backing of Prayer Man and defamation of myself took him from podcast host to controlling member of The Education Forum with no intervention by Andrew Iler's carefully crafted set of rules...

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 02:50:52 PM »

You can see Gloria Calvery climbing the front steps in Couch/Darnell...If you rewind the film, the timing shown by Lovelady & Shelley headed up the extension matches the timing of Calvery climbing the steps after talking to Lovelady & Shelley at the base of the steps...Both parties are where they should be according to testimony...The film evidence is what happened...

I've been to Dealey Plaza in 2016...It is smaller than it looks in person...Calvery and Reed bolting on adrenaline, in reaction to seeing Kennedy's brains blown out at close range, could have covered the distance required to get to the steps and inform Lovelady & Shelley what they just witnessed...Frazier said Calvery was hysterically shouting in a low voice "They have shot the president"...This spurred Lovelady & Shelley to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...Pretending this wasn't possible isn't very credible...The time that took is what the official record is and this evidence can be used to measure calibration of the event...

The Education Forum has now established corruption as its main means instead of credible, objective research...The captain of that is one stupid bastard named Jim DiEugenio who has a whole internet full of ***-kissers lining up to assist him...The devil take Sandy Larsen...

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman

« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:45:13 PM »

Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:28:58 PM

When you saw those cracked windshield, did you have knowledge that somebody in the car had just been shot? If you did and you weren't in position to get a close-up view of the crack, I think you would have had a very different judgement. The human mind is subject to suggestion and the sight of a cracked windshield combined with the knowledge that JFK had just been shot would very much influence how those witnesses assessed what they were seeing.
The limo windshield issue should have been resolved a long time ago by the Secret Service's close up examination of the windshield which revealed a strike to the inside surface of the windshield and no penetration through the windshield.

Yes, I have seen the SS Pics of "A" windshield. The images of the windshield I refer to were taken at Parkland Hospital, only minutes after the car arrived there, and only minutes after JFK had been removed from the vehicle. Now, put yourself in a jury box. Which images of the windshield are You going to place your trust in?

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman

« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 02:32:56 PM »

Weldon’s chapter on the limousine is especially valuable because he documents that the White House garage logs contain no entries for November 25, the same day Ford Motor Company glass technician George Whitaker reported that the limousine was at the Ford Dearborn plant to have the windshield replaced and when Whitaker saw the hole in the windshield.

The government's official version of what happened to the limousine after the assassination appears very simple if one conducts a cursory examination. That "story" alleges that the limousine was flown to Washington D.C. on the evening of 22 November 1963. It then remained in the White House Garage under the supervision of the Secret Service until, according to James Rowley, Chief of the Secret Service, it was driven to Dearborn, Michigan-approximately 500 miles--on 20 December 1963 to design a new bubble-top. The vehicle was then supposed to have been driven from Dearborn, Michigan to Hess & Eisenhardt in Cincinnati, Ohio, on 24 December 1963, for the manufacture and installation of the new bullet resistant bubble-top. (See Appendix C.)

This was the official account James Rowley provided to Mr. J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel to the Warren Commission in a letter dated 6 January 1964, a version of events which has been suspect for many years, . . .

The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), during its tenure from 1976 to 1978, became confused about what happened to the limousine in the aftermath of the assassination. In an examination of 11 specific dates regarding the limousine after the assassination beginning with 22 November 1963, the HSCA noted conspicuous discrepancies in testimony about 4 of those dates as it developed its chronology of the movements of the limousine.

An article published in Car Exchange (December 1983) reported that the limousine was delivered to Hess & Eisenhardt around the date of 12 December 1963. In addition, however, the HSCA, in referring to the records of Hess & Eisenhardt, also noted that the vehicle was delivered to Hess & Eisenhardt on 13 December 1963. This date was confirmed to me personally by Willard Hess, one of the owners of the company. Notice that both of these dates drastically contradict the information provided by the Chief of the Secret Service to Mr. Rankin in his letter of 6 January 1964. . . .

The Ferguson memorandum raises other questions. An examination of the White House Garage logs is revealing. Mr. Ferguson's name, for example, does not appear on the logs until 26 November 1963. . . .

The logs also reveal more critical information. The most significant aspect of the White House Garage logs is the absence of even one person logging in to see the limousine on 25 November 1963. This critical observation becomes of paramount importance when the statement of a witness from the Ford Motor Company, who asserts that he worked on the windshield at Ford on 25 November, is scrutinized. . . .

On 15 August 1993, I was able to conduct an interview that answered many of the questions raised by the windshield controversy. Awareness of the existence of this individual came to me purely by circumstance and not through any investigative efforts for which I can take credit. I am not revealing the identity of the individual at this time. A number of trusted researchers have been provided this information with an unedited copy of the full interview between us as a verification of its legitimacy. As I write today, this individual is still living but in poor health.

Having been an attorney since 1978, I have literally seen thousands of people testify in the courtroom. While serving as a hearing official for a number of those years, it has been my duty to weigh the credibility of witnesses. This individual was as credible a witness as I had ever observed in any courtroom. . . .

He had worked for the Ford Motor Company for forty years, starting in 1934. He has never forgotten what occurred on 25 November 1963. The two lab men to whom he makes reference are now deceased. These are some important excerpts from my interview:

“Around noon, we got it around 2:00 that he had been killed. So, right away they called meetings to find out what we were going to do. Are we gonna run Monday morning with the President being killed? We didn't decide on anything at that meeting, and being that I had charge of all power service, I was in charge of getting that plant ready to run or to shut it down and everything. So, they decided that they would let everything ride and they would call me on Sunday. So, on Sunday, around noon-I had just finished dinner-they called me up and told me to go in and make arrangements to start the plant up.

“Cause we would have to start that plant up around midnight to get it going for the day shift and number two shift. So, that I did, but then I arrived my normal time on Monday and they had me on a two-way radio and they had me on a Cushman scooter because I was covering a large plant. So I got a call from the Vice President of the division, and he told me on the radio that I was wanted in the glass plant lab, now! So I went down to the lab and the door was locked ....

"I knocked on the door and they let me in. There were two of the lab men in there and they had the windshield there. And they told me that we were to use that to-see now the car was a special built car.

“We were to use that windshield as a template to make a new windshield. And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through. You could see it, from the way it was broken....

"But the car was in the B building, where we had a repair garage. And they had taken the windshield out, it was back in the glass plant, we were using it as a template. And to make a windshield, and we were told to follow it right straight through until it was a finished product and get it back to the B building. We were told if anybody asked us what we were doing, we were running a template for a prototype.... "

After describing the process for making a new windshield he noted,

"We laminated it, when we took it out of there, it was a finished windshield. We took it to the B building; it was put in that limousine. Now that limousine had the entire interior completely stripped out.... The carpeting and everything was gone....

"It was gone, it was nothing, it was down to metal, and they restored the whole interior."

When asked if the limousine had been "stripped" at the plant, he replied, "... I assumed it was there, that's what they did....

"It was a good clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or anything, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it .... This had a clean round hole in the front and fragmented in the back....

"I went on from there and I became superintendent of the division and I had the whole five plant divisions.'' (“The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963,” in Murder in Dealey Plaza, pp. 132-135, 142-143).

I again encourage interested readers to read Weldon's entire chapter. It contains much more information than the quotes from it provided above. Here's the link:

"The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963"

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman

« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:28:58 PM »

Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:56:53 PM

Just my own personal experience, but I have seen several CRACKED Windshields. I Never initially thought I was looking at a windshield with a HOLE in it. Never. If someone connected to law enforcement claimed that on 11/22/63 that they saw the JFK Limo windshield with a HOLE in it, "big enough to put a pencil through it", I believe that law enforcement official.

When you saw those cracked windshield, did you have knowledge that somebody in the car had just been shot? If you did and you weren't in position to get a close-up view of the crack, I think you would have had a very different judgement. The human mind is subject to suggestion and the sight of a cracked windshield combined with the knowledge that JFK had just been shot would very much influence how those witnesses assessed what they were seeing.

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There are plenty of images of the JFK Limo sitting at Parkland Hospital with the Limo Trunk CLOSED and no top on the car. These images would therefore be before the trunk was opened and the Limo Top extracted, etc. These images would be FRESH Images of the car. These images show the JFK Limo from the rear toward Parkland Hospital. These images clearly show the inside of the windshield. These images are clear enough to show the 2 Doors on Parkland Hospital that FACED the JFK Limo. These images even show Wiegman on the (R) as he began to approach the JFK Limo with his camera at his face. These are extremely clear images. These are EARLY ON IMAGES of the JFK Limo. It would Not be difficult to Zoom in on the inside of the Limo windshield and examine the alleged Hole/Crack. This Limo "windshield" issue should have been put-to-bed long ago. Maybe it was?

The limo windshield issue should have been resolved a long time ago by the Secret Service's close up examination of the windshield which revealed a strike to the inside surface of the windshield and no penetration through the windshield.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman

« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:56:53 PM »

Quote from: John Corbett on July 16, 2026, 04:34:15 PM

The people who claimed there was a bullet hole THROUGH the windshield never got close enough to closely examine it. It's not at all surprising that seeing the crack created by a fragment of the headshot would cause people to believe a shot was fired through the windshield, especially since at the time, none of those people would have had any idea where the shooter had fired from. The Secret Service was able to closely examine the crack and determined the windshield was struck from the inside and the missile had not passed through the windshield. It remained inside the limo.

Just my own personal experience, but I have seen several CRACKED Windshields. I Never initially thought I was looking at a windshield with a HOLE in it. Never. If someone connected to law enforcement claimed that on 11/22/63 that they saw the JFK Limo windshield with a HOLE in it, "big enough to put a pencil through it", I believe that law enforcement official.
There are plenty of images of the JFK Limo sitting at Parkland Hospital with the Limo Trunk CLOSED and no top on the car. These images would therefore be before the trunk was opened and the Limo Top extracted, etc. These images would be FRESH Images of the car. These images show the JFK Limo from the rear toward Parkland Hospital. These images clearly show the inside of the windshield. These images are clear enough to show the 2 Doors on Parkland Hospital that FACED the JFK Limo. These images even show Wiegman on the (R) as he began to approach the JFK Limo with his camera at his face. These are extremely clear images. These are EARLY ON IMAGES of the JFK Limo. It would Not be difficult to Zoom in on the inside of the Limo windshield and examine the alleged Hole/Crack. This Limo "windshield" issue should have been put-to-bed long ago. Maybe it was?

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