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MTG: I know why you're still banned: The conspiracy in your conspiracy theory is way too small!  :) :) :)

MTG--

That, and I point out JFK was an ardent anti-communist, not the James Douglass-defined appeaser singing kumbaya.

I pointed out the same thing, in spades, so I don't see how that could be a reason for not lifting your ban. I created two threads and posted many replies in other threads in which I vigorously argued and documented that JFK was determined to win the Vietnam War, that he was staunchly anti-communist and pro-national defense, that NSAM 263 does not prove JFK intended to unconditionally withdraw from Vietnam after the election (in fact, it refutes this notion), and that LBJ was hardly cuddly and cozy with the Joint Chiefs but bitterly attacked them for daring to try to persuade him to ditch his insane, communist-friendly rules of engagement.

I was also just as vigorous as you were about calling out the embarrassing anti-Israeli propaganda posted by some of the ultra-liberals there. Ditto when it came to pointing out what a fraud and crackpot L. Fletcher Prouty was.

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Forget Jack Kevorkian. Fauci is the real Dr. Death.
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Not at all. If you think the Altgens bullet hole "theory," is a "real doozy," perhaps you will explain the evidence that Doug Weldon, Doug Horne, Roy Schaeffer, and Dr. David Mantik have presented on the subject.

You guys constantly dismiss solid, valid evidence with bombastic verbiage but rarely get around to dealing with evidence itself.

The hole is visible in certain frames of the MPI large-format version of the Zapruder film. I can see it with my own eyes. The only response you guys have offered is that the apparent hole is an optical illusion.

Sorry, but you're the one making bombastic claims - and who keeps running away when asked to back them up. Disproving the SBT would be a fairly big deal, but all you seem to have is anecdotal evidence of some of your Fetzerite buddies claiming to be able to see something that resembles a bullet hole. Wow. Why can't you simply produce an actual image showing what you say it "undisputedly" does? (The answer should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.)
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: A question for Brian Doyle
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 03:52:51 AM »
Yeah, cousin Mary got hit on the head by a rock thrown towards one of Mayor Daley’s finest.  Gave her some ‘street cred’ lol.  But making matters worse for me was running into Peter’s mom at Hillwood, where my wife was a volunteer. We talked mostly about what was happening underneath the sea, and why we should start there instead of spending so much money in outer space.

Have you ever read this?

http://fkancestry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/WillFinal3.jpg
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I don’t see why the WC investigators would want Bakers time to the  steps to be as soon as 20-25 secs post shots because they’ve got to make sure there was enough time for their suspected 6th floor shooter Oswald to be able to get down to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Likewise They were careful to assign 2 minutes as the time for Mrs Reid’s return to the 2nd floor office so she’s not seeing Oswald too early before Baker/Truly do.

Baker himself thought it probably was closer to 90 secs post shots when he finally got to the door of the 2nd floor lunchroom.

It’s all depending on Mrs Garner. What time did she follow behind Adams and Stiles. She never gave any specific time estimate other than to say she was “right behind them” and followed “ almost immediately”.
So is that less than 30 secs? If so  then there is no way a 6th floor shooter using the stairs could have gone past her unseen. (however he could have used one of the elevators like Jack Dougherty allegedly did)

Could it be as long as 1 minute post shots? If so a 6th floor shooter CAN get down it the 4th floor landing and start down the 4th floor stairs to 3rd floor without being seen by Garner.

From what excerpts I’ve read from Barry Ernest book pertaining to Garners statements one particular one being she changed her statement from seeing Adam’s and Stiles (A/S) go down the stairs to HEARING THEM go down.

I have not found any clarification of what exactly Garner heard. If she’s saying she “ heard them” then to me that implies she heard their voices. If so then she could not have waited 1 minute to follow A/S because A/S have exited the stairwell to the 1st floor and it’s improbable Garner have heard their voices then.

As to what reason Lovelady and Shelley are suddenly more interested in going back in to the TSBD quickly rather than go investigate  all the commotion on the GK, it does seem kind of strange. Maybe seeing Baker running to the steps with his gun in hand was more compelling than what was happening elsewhere.

   To me, if you hear someone "go down" any stairs, this applies to the sound their feet make on those stairs. If you hear someone "on" the stairs, this would be the voice of that person. "Down" implies someone being in motion.
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MTG--

That, and I point out JFK was an ardent anti-communist, not the James Douglass-defined appeaser singing kumbaya.

Oh well, the world will have to survive without my 2 cents in EF-JFKA. 
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MTG--

The TSBD6 shooter as the diversion is interesting.

I still suspect the JFKA C was very small, likely LHO and one or two other people.

But a forum is to hear different viewpoints and I respect your point of view.

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I don’t see why the WC investigators would want Bakers time to the  steps to be as soon as 20-25 secs post shots because they’ve got to make sure there was enough time for their suspected 6th floor shooter Oswald to be able to get down to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Likewise They were careful to assign 2 minutes as the time for Mrs Reid’s return to the 2nd floor office so she’s not seeing Oswald too early before Baker/Truly do.

Baker himself thought it probably was closer to 90 secs post shots when he finally got to the door of the 2nd floor lunchroom.

It’s all depending on Mrs Garner. What time did she follow behind Adams and Stiles. She never gave any specific time estimate other than to say she was “right behind them” and followed “ almost immediately”.
So is that less than 30 secs? If so  then there is no way a 6th floor shooter using the stairs could have gone past her unseen. (however he could have used one of the elevators like Jack Dougherty allegedly did)

Could it be as long as 1 minute post shots? If so a 6th floor shooter CAN get down it the 4th floor landing and start down the 4th floor stairs to 3rd floor without being seen by Garner.

From what excerpts I’ve read from Barry Ernest book pertaining to Garners statements one particular one being she changed her statement from seeing Adam’s and Stiles (A/S) go down the stairs to HEARING THEM go down.

I have not found any clarification of what exactly Garner heard. If she’s saying she “ heard them” then to me that implies she heard their voices. If so then she could not have waited 1 minute to follow A/S because A/S have exited the stairwell to the 1st floor and it’s improbable Garner have heard their voices then.

As to what reason Lovelady and Shelley are suddenly more interested in going back in to the TSBD quickly rather than go investigate  all the commotion on the GK, it does seem kind of strange. Maybe seeing Baker running to the steps with his gun in hand was more compelling than what was happening elsewhere.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 01:46:13 AM »
Deformed in such a way that perfectly matched JBC's wounds?

So, let me get this right, in your world the "bad guys" knew that JBC's radius had been shattered by a direct hit, one of the densest bones in the human body, and they thought that CE399 represented that damage??

You really think that someone faking an injury like that would come up with CE399??

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

The damage to JBC's radial bone was real, not fake, and was likely caused by its being struck by a twirling/tumbling/yawing CE-399 which penetrated JBC's wrist backwards, as indicated by the fact that fibers from his jacket were found inside the wound.

-- Tom

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Get back to blowing the KGB, where you belong.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Go you-know-what yourself.

(Pardon my German.)

-- Tom
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35 seconds to get towards the back of the first floor is loads of time.
From the lobby to the area near the elevators is covered in 20 seconds at a normal walking pace.
That leaves 15 seconds for them to get from their positions in the Darnell pic to the front door.
It would take Lovelady 3 seconds to get from his position on the steps to the front door, it's a few steps!
They could spend another 10 seconds listening to Gloria before they made it towards the back of the first floor, easily.
You've not really thought about this.
There is absolutely no need to extend any timelines.

   I have thought about this a lot. For starters, you gotta have Calvery in position on the TSDB Steps lickety split. She is Not on any Single Image racing down the sidewalk or in the street heading toward the TSBD front door. There is absolutely nothing supporting her being there talking with Lovelady on the TSBD front steps only :15 seconds after the kill shot. I fully appreciate the quicker you put Calvery on those steps, also serves to support my theory of those 2 Guys walking alongside the "Getaway" Car were originally inside that same car. Still, I believe the individuals filmed by Darnell & Couch been given an accelerated time stamping. 
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