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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Questions for our resident forensic graphic artist, James Hackerott
« Last post by Charles Collins on Yesterday at 01:08:11 PM »
Quote from: James Hackerott on Yesterday at 01:13:32 AM
Note: Duncan is allowing posting Imgur images as long as I also post a link with a Google Drive for those who can't see the embedded graphics. Thanks Duncan!

The first animated GIF shows a 17.5' 1968 Pontiac Bonneville located on the Elm Extension at about 12:53. Tom Alyea's film taken from the 7th floor, basically 30' above Elsie Dorman's location, shows the front end about 2' west of the lamppost shadow. I'm displaying the views of both Alyea and Wiegman as the position of the car is moved eastward 10' in 1' increments. The car moves about 8' before the taillights are viewable in the Wiegman “Gap”. The initial position is also consistent with the Robert Hughes film of the TSBD doorway taken shortly after the assassination.

A second graphic shows the view from the Wiegman film through the open area “Gap” between the “Fedora Man” and the woman to his right. It was alleged that the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville (Getaway Car) we see in the Wiegman film is not parked on the south side of the extension (nearest to the camera) but is actually a car parked on the north side of the extension-near the Huge Gates. This graphic compares these two scenarios. The north curb car is actually parked just west of the TSBD's west corner. It is partially blocking motorized egress through the gates. I say the car is parked at the south curb nearest the “Fedora Man”. You make the call for yourself.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1swc2Q_86arxdKyaKdMOWme1ZgXqIwnjW/view?usp=drive_link

James

Great work as usual James, thank you very much. I am beginning to change my opinion and agree with your assessment and abandon my initial assessment. i can see how a shadow could have fooled me. I am wondering if you can demonstrate the shadow so we can compare it to the Weigman image, and indicate the approximate position of the tree limb that created the shadow. The value of a great 3D model shows itself again. Thanks.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 08:09:12 AM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on Yesterday at 07:07:29 AM
I think deep down inside you know Oswald is guilty of the Tippit murder but you can't bring yourself to admit it lest your whole internal world come crashing down.

Correct.

Oswald murdered Tippit.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Gerry Down on Yesterday at 07:07:29 AM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 01:15:08 AM
You may well be correct, because anybody who is truly convinced of Oswald's guilt, doesn't need to misrepresent evidence to make his case, as Bill has done on several occasions in the past.

In podcasts like this it isn't of much significance what Bill says. Far more telling is what he misrepresents, ignores and dismisses.
I think deep down inside you know Oswald is guilty of the Tippit murder but you can't bring yourself to admit it lest your whole internal world come crashing down.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Questions for our resident forensic graphic artist, James Hackerott
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 04:13:53 AM »
Quote from: James Hackerott on Yesterday at 03:55:40 AM
Yes, shadows from the Giant Live Oak tree. I think, but am not really sure I understand your description.  Look at the visual in post #5. See the image from Alyea. Look close at the “Getaway Car”. See those grayish smears all over the car? Those are shadows. Look at the Robert Hughes film where he shoots over the hood towards the TSBD doorway. The car is covered with shadow. What is a little strange about this Hughes frame is the color of the car is kinda a bluish-green. But so is Sawyers' car. Must be color response of the film in the shade. IDK.

James

Regarding the parallel, nearly horizontal and approximately two-feet-apart lines on the "lower-front part" of your "single car" (which aren't visible on the other part of your "single car"), just look at the frame in Wiegman at the (click-click) "1:47" mark where the tip of the fin on the car in front of Weigman's is touching the right foot of the woman "in white" standing about ten feet to "Fedora Man's" right, will ya?

How could shadows from an oak tree create those straight-and-parallel lines?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Questions for our resident forensic graphic artist, James Hackerott
« Last post by James Hackerott on Yesterday at 03:55:40 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:07:25 AM
Regarding the visible part of your "single car" between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" at the 1:47 mark in Weigman, why is its "lower" front part "two-tone" color-wise but the rear part monochrome, why does the "lower" front part have two parallel and nearly horizontal dark lines about two feet apart whereas the rear part doesn't, and why does the top edge of dark color of the front part taper off in the middle of your "single car" the way it does?

Shadows from the oak tree?

Yes, shadows from the Giant Live Oak tree. I think, but am not really sure I understand your description.  Look at the visual in post #5. See the image from Alyea. Look close at the “Getaway Car”. See those grayish smears all over the car? Those are shadows. Look at the Robert Hughes film where he shoots over the hood towards the TSBD doorway. The car is covered with shadow. What is a little strange about this Hughes frame is the color of the car is kinda a bluish-green. But so is Sawyers' car. Must be color response of the film in the shade. IDK.

James
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:42:28 AM »
Bill,

I like the part where you point out that fibers matching the shirt Oswald was arrested in were found in the jacket discovered under the car at the gas station, the fact that Earlene Roberts said Oswald zipped up his "short coat" when he left -- i.e., his brownish-red (or reddish-brown?) button-up long-sleeved shirt couldn't have been confused with his zip-up jacket or vice-versa -- and the fact that it makes perfect sense that Oswald, having killed Tippit a couple of minutes earlier, would jettison his jacket at or behind the gas station in an attempt to alter his appearance.

I also like the fact that witnesses' conflicting descriptions of the direction Oswald was walking before Tippit stopped him can be explained by the following scenario:

He had a still-valid bus transfer and he hoped to catch a bus to the VA Hospital (and from there a Greyhound bus to Laredo) and therefore he walked past 10th and Patton towards the bus stop on Marsalis until he came around a curve in the road and saw a County Police car parked a block away, so he turned around and started walking back towards 10th and Patton for his unexpected rendezvous with Officer Tippit.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 03:20:01 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:49:26 AM
What are you quibbling about now?

Why am I not surprised that you don't understand this?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 03:19:07 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:22:20 AM
You evidently do, Weidmann, otherwise you wouldn't be replying.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble I couldn't give a damn about the opinions of a nobody.
But feel free to boost your fragile ego by believing otherwise.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Questions for our resident forensic graphic artist, James Hackerott
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:07:25 AM »
Quote from: James Hackerott on Yesterday at 02:50:01 AM
[...]

Regarding the visible part of your "single car" between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" at the 1:47 mark in Weigman, why is its "lower" front part "two-tone" color-wise but the rear part monochrome, why does the "lower" front part have two parallel and nearly horizontal dark lines about two feet apart whereas the rear part doesn't, and why does the top edge of dark color of the front part taper off in the middle of your "single car" the way it does?

Shadows from the oak tree?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Questions for our resident forensic graphic artist, James Hackerott
« Last post by James Hackerott on Yesterday at 02:50:01 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 01:33:29 AM
If I understand what you're saying, I agree with you that between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" in Wiegman we can see that the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville is parked next to the "island."

What you don't seem to realize is that it's visually overlapping the front one-third or so of a light-colored car that's parked-the-wrong-way on the other side of Elm Street Extension in that gap between "Purse lady" and "Fedora Man," making them almost look like one car.
Thomas,
Is this something like you are seeing? How should I position the Huge Gates car? Should I put the S curb car on blocks?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nNl5q1QI_KXwykynuqmvp5JdlM1BreNQ/view?usp=drive_link

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