JFK Assassination Forum

Is it possible your father saw some type of replica made for some oddities museum out in the middle of nowhere which went out off business and sold it's museum items, one of which was put in the cave for storage? Or perhaps it was a bank repossession from such a museum that became bankrupt?

Some museums use regular length Lincoln Continentals for such museum displays but would not be likely to use a stretch limo version as these were specially built and would be very expensive for a small-time museum to commission. As far as I know there is only one such stretch limo in existence which belongs to the guy you mentioned.

Does your father remember if it was a regular size Lincoln Continental or a stretch limo version?

There was a second dark blue Lincoln Continental which JFK had which not many people are aware of, but I think that was a shorter version of the one in Dallas. But I'm not sure.

The part of the facility he worked in was not "storage" and was more just dedicated to some banking computers. He specified that he saw it in the National Archives portion of the caves, and that they had a separate room for the limo. Unfortunately he didn't say much else about it though. He had never even heard of it being at the Henry Ford Museum, and was rather surprised when I told him.

I'm not saying that I necessarily believe him, but I find it hard to believe he fabricated all of it. Maybe I'm putting too much trust in him though.

I've tried looking for any corraborative source about this, and can't find anything even saying that vehicles are stored in the caves, so again, not much to go on.

Hi all,

This will be my first post in this forum, so I apologize if this is not a great post. Most of you will know me as the person behind the YouTube channel "The JFK Theorist".

I lived in Texas for 2 years with my father, and he had told me something very interesting relating to the presidential limousine even before I had moved down there with him. He apparently worked for some bank in the early 2000s who had their computer systems in some caves out in Lenexa, Kansas, (the "Meritex" industrial park) where the National Archives also has a facility underground. At some point, he said he saw it just parked in the National Archives' portion of the caves, sitting exactly as it was in 1963 with the top off and the seats still stained.

I even showed him a photo of the limo in early 1964 in the White House garage, and he immediately said that it looked identical.



I did look into this to see if he may have been misremembering it at all, and contacted F. Nick Ciacelli (owner of the replica limo used for Oliver Stone's "JFK" among other movies) to see if it may have been his limo, and he said it couldn't have been, and that he had never stored it there. I did have an opportunity to speak with someone else on this who I can't name as of now, and he was able to tell me that he had heard other accounts of the limo being other places, but didn't tell me anything else.

I'm curious to see if anyone else has seen what appeared to be the original limo somewhere else? It's supposedly in the Ford Museum in Michigan, but I'm starting to doubt that.

MTG-

Well, again we are on different pages.

I recommend this book.

"John Hunt's book about the Robert F. Kennedy assassination is titled "Buried in Plain Site: One Man's Search for Truth in the Murder of RFK", available as an ebook and focusing on conspiracy theories and evidence suggesting a cover-up, not the lone gunman theory. Hunt presents a narrative questioning the official story, delving into alternative explanations for the events surrounding RFK's shooting, and is known for his deep dives into political mysteries, particularly concerning the Kennedy family."

Larry Hancock worked with Hunt on the book.

My own take is Sirhan in fact got close to RFK, as stated by three witnesses. RFK, naturally enough, turned his his face away from Sirhan's handgun, and took the first shot in the rear of his skull. Way back when I did a post about the RFKA for the Education (For Crackpots) Forum. I will see if I can dredge it up to post here.

There may have been a second shooter in the Ambassador, but even that is iffy. The idea that RFK was shot by a .38 is very iffy, as no one reported one shot sounded louder or distinct from the other shots. Sirhan's brother may have been the second shooter--they were something of lookalikes, and some reported seeing a Sirhan lookalike there.

Sirhan admitted to the murder of RFK many times.

As for Sirhan bring programmed, if so, the feat has never been duplicated. The Manchurian Candidate was an idea of the 1960s and 1970s, due to a popular fictional novel, but seems to have faded, along with Bigfoot.

If Sirhan was programmed, why not LHO by the G2/KGB? That is what former CIA chief James Woolsey says.

One suspected second gunman in the RFKA is Thane Eugene Cesar, an Ace Guard Service employee hired by the Ambassador Hotel for that night. He was standing immediately behind Senator Kennedy at the time of the shooting and said he was holding the Senator's arm. Cesar was literally a maintenance plumber at Hughes, moonlighting to make ends meet, and the silly Lisa Pease says that makes him CIA. He carried a .38 that night, not a .22.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

I have great respect for Mark Shaw. He is good people. He and I have corresponded extensively. I don't agree with all of his arguments, but I agree with many of them.

One thing is crystal clear: Sirhan did not shoot RFK. Rosey Grier pinned Sirhan before he had a chance to fire all of his shots toward RFK, and Sirhan was never behind RFK at any point, nor did RFK spin around so his back was facing Sirhan. Again, Grier pinned Sirhan after he fired only two or three shots, and Grier confirmed that Sirhan was several feet in front of RFK when he opened fire (virtually every other witness in the pantry confirmed this).

The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy: Conspiracy and Cover-Up
https://sites.google.com/view/the-rfk-assassination/home

Two world-renowned experts on psychology and hypnosis, Dr. Daniel Brown of Harvard University and Dr. Herbert Spiegel of Columbia University, have concluded that Sirhan was hypno-programmed to fire at RFK. Dr. Brown interviewed Sirhan for over 60 hours, BTW.

Over in the Education Forum, Greg Burnham has posted a CIA document that talks about altering photos taken outside the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City:

Nobody Would Have Altered Any Photographic or Film Evidence, Right?
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31885-nobody-would-have-altered-any-photographic-or-film-evidence-right/

See also David Josephs' reply in that thread:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31885-nobody-would-have-altered-any-photographic-or-film-evidence-right/#findComment-585734

No one who has done serious reading on CIA and KGB operations can doubt that photographic alteration was a tactic frequently employed by those agencies.

One would think that with the shocking revelations of evidence planting and evidence tampering by the LAPD in the Rampart scandal and in the Mark Fuhrman tapes in the 1990s, that lone-gunman theorists would stop pretending to be shocked by the argument that some JFK evidence has been altered and would stop summarily dismissing the clear evidence that some JFK autopsy photos and x-rays have been altered (not to mention the Zapruder film).

Here's an interesting article on a few of the known cases of photographic alteration by governments, political campaigns, and magazines/newspapers:

https://faculty.cc.gatech.edu/~beki/cs4001/history.pdf

Clearly, the autopsy brain photos cannot show JFK's brain. They must show someone else's brain. Keep in mind that Bethesda included a pathology school, so there were plenty of human brains available to photograph instead of JFK's badly damaged and incomplete brain. Again, the JFK autopsy skull x-rays show about 2/3 of the right brain to be missing, a fact confirmed by multiple optical-density measurements.