Rod Stewart had a hit song titled "Reason to Believe". CTs should have an anthem titled Reason to Disbelieve. They seem to have no interest in figuring out who was responsible of the JFKA . Their whole focus seems to be on coming up with reasons not to believe the WCR. That's why we have so many inanities like Prayer Man, One Glove Cop, Huge Gates, etc. They search High and low for things for which there is no apparent explanation and to them, that is reason enough to dismiss the WC finding that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and that there was no credible evidence he had even a single accomplice. It's like they're panning for gold and they get really excited when they find one shiny little yellow flake, not realizing it is fool's gold. 

Why would anyone be "genuinely interested in the issue of Prayer Man". When he CTs obsess over something this inane, we know the carcass of the JFKA conspiracy "research" has been picked clean to the bone. There's obviously nothing important left that is worth talking about.

There's better evidence for that right here on this forum. I give you:

1. Fake Shelley and Fake Lovelady (the supposed "fakery" being by the leading exponent of Prayer Man, irony of ironies!).
2. The Impoounded Getaway Car.
3. The Huge Gates.
4. One Glove Bogus Imposter Haygood Cop.
5. The Mysterious Black Thing on Top of the Huge Gates.

Hence my futile efforts to talk CTers off the ledge of craziness and get them to focus on things that at least have some level of possibility if not plausibility. Hell, no - anything that has some level of possibility, and perhaps even plausibility, looks way too much like the LN narrative to satisfy the elaborate complexity that the lunatic fringe craves like a drug addiction.

That's the problem with all JFKA discussions: they are little more than diehard defenders of the LN narrative playing Whack-a-Mole with absolute crazies. One who is neither a diehard defender of the LN narrative nor an absolute crazy can only observe in wonderment and try to have some fun with it.

My favorite analogy for JFKA "discussions" -

I dug up the research your File Locator Number discovery inspired me to build on!

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The response to my presentation of Arlington, VA archive recovery of the Postal Money Order by archivist Robert H. Jackson, using the File Locator Number that Lance had recently explained the importance and the function of was David Jospeph and Jim DiEugenio going on the Black OP Radio podcast to abuse their guest privileges by claiming Mr. Jackson did not exist, motivated by Armstrong's claim that the postal money order could only have been found in Kansas City.

The confusion regarding Kansas City, which was one of Sandy Larsen's big talking points and still appears on Armstrong's site, was: Under the agency agreement between the Federal Reserve and the Postal Service, the Federal Reserve was responsible solely for processing and paying a Postal Money Order. The agreement specifically said that the Federal Reserve had no responsibility for auditing a PMO for fraud or irregularities. The Post Office was responsible for that. In 1955, the process was streamlined so all PMOs went to an auditing center in Kansas City instead of a variety of auditing centers as they had previously done. So they did all go to Kansas City before being placed into storage at the Federal Records Center in Alexandria. The storage was for a fairly short retention period in case some claim was made and a PMO was needed as evidence. After that period, they were destroyed; tens of millions were sold, so storage would have been a major issue if they had been retained for years. I believe it was Sandy who found a newspaper article from 1955 saying that "all" PMOs would now go to Kansas City, and he and the H&L gang misunderstood what this meant. There were three functions: processing and payment (Federal Reserve), auditing (Post Office), storage (Federal Records Center).

Dear John,

A psychologically disturbed and self-described Marxist former Marine sharpshooter by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

The KGB took advantage of the anomaly-replete assassination from virtually Day One by spreading nation-rending disinformation about it, culminating in Oliver Stone's 1991 self-described mythological ("to counter the myth of the Warren Report") film, "JFK," and Stone's and Jimmy DiEugenio's execrable 2021 sequel, "JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass."

We didn't need the KGB to spread conspiracy theories about the JFKA. We have had plenty of home grown conspiracy fanatics right from the start.

Partially as a result of these "active measures" ops and others waged against us and our NATO allies over the past sixty-two years, especially during the 2016 Presidential campaign, "former" KGB Lt. Col. Vladimir Putin was able to install a traitorous orange turd as our "president" in 2017 and 2025.

-- Tom

Your TDS seems to be getting worse. I don't know what to tell you because there seems to be no known cure. We spend millions every year on cancer research but not a dime on TDS.

The issue of Prayer Man is one of those issues that does not lend itself to being resolved in a few replies in a debate forum thread. To gain a sufficient understanding of the issue, you need to take the time to read the extensive research that has been done on it, and then make up your own mind. Below I provide numerous links to much of this research.

Anyone who is genuinely interested in the issue of Prayer Man should first consider the impressive evidence that Oswald was not on the sixth floor during the shooting. This evidence does not prove that Prayer Man is Oswald, but it does show this is a possibility, not to mention the obvious fact that it proves Oswald did not fire shots from the sixth-floor window.

A part of this impressive evidence is the eyewitness testimony that proves that Oswald did not come down the stairs from the sixth floor after the shots were fired. Researchers have found proof that the Warren Commission (WC) was aware of this fact but suppressed it by misrepresenting what a key witness said, by destroying the tape of the interview with that witness, and by suppressing a bombshell memo that researcher Barry Ernest discovered at the National Archives in 1999. I quote from the transcript of the 2021 documentary JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass:

Barry Ernest: I was interested in finding a specific witness to the assassination, which was Victoria Adams. She worked on the fourth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and she knew Oswald. I went to the National Archives searching for her original testimony. I was told that the tape containing her testimony was missing. And later I learned that that tape had been destroyed by the Warren Commission. And so I finally ended up finding her and getting her side of the story.

Vicki Adams was twenty-two at the time of the assassination, and she testified that immediately after the assassination, she ran down the back stairs to get outside to see what was going on. If that were true, she would have seen Oswald on the back stairs. But she testified that she saw and heard no one.

She had realized that something was wrong, because no one was believing her. So she asked David Belin, who was questioning her, [to] interview Sandra Styles, a coworker who went down the stairs with her. This became a rather serious problem for the Warren Commission, because discrediting one woman was easy to do. But discrediting a corroborating witness -- that may have been a little bit tougher. So Belin said, “we don’t need Sandra Styles, we have you. . . .”

According to Vicki’s original FBI testimony, she left the window on the fourth floor within fifteen to thirty seconds of the assassination. The Warren Commission elevated that time to one minute. She said she arrived on the first floor within sixty seconds of the assassination. The Warren Commission elevated that time to several minutes. So what the Warren Commission did was successfully deceive the public into thinking that Vicki was just another confused witness. Case closed. . . . .

But in 1999, I found a document in the National Archives that had been suppressed for thirty-five years, it was a letter written by Assistant US Attorney Martha Jo Stroud. It was a transmittal letter forwarding Vicki’s signed testimony to J. Lee Rankin, the head honcho of the Warren Commission’s investigation at that point. In the last paragraph of that letter, almost as an afterthought, we’re introduced to a woman by the name of Dorothy Garner. Garner was Vicki’s immediate supervisor who had stood at the window with Vicki. The letter quotes Garner as saying that she saw Vicki go down the stairs before she saw Officer Baker and Roy Truly come up.

When I found and interviewed Dorothy Garner, she confirmed everything. She said that she had been at the window with Vicki, that Vicki had left the window immediately, that she actually followed Vicki outside the office and to a point where she could see her going down the stairs. And during that whole time, she never saw Oswald. So the Stroud letter became a very dangerous document for the Warren Commission.

Narrator: Without the Review Board’s declassification process, we would never have learned of the corroborating testimony of three witnesses that provide powerful evidence that Oswald was not on the sixth floor at the time of the shooting. (JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass , Skyhorse Publishing, 2021, pp. 46-49)

Sources on the evidence that Oswald was not on the sixth floor during the shooting:

“Where Was Oswald During the Shooting?”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12wAiq3B9Sc1BfBc7qay2vYswNrcQY_Rt/view

Barry Ernest’s website
https://thegirlonthestairs.wordpress.com/

Review of Barry Ernest’s book The Girl on the Stairs
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/ernst-barry-the-girl-on-the-stairs

Here is the Prayer Man research that I recommend:

Andrej Stancak:

“Extracting Prayer Man from the Wiegman Film”
https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2024/11/28/extracting-prayer-man-from-the-wiegman-film/

“The Timing of Wiegman Film and Altgens6 Photograph Questions the Continuity of Frames in Zapruder Film"
https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2023/04/10/the-timing-of-wiegman-film-and-altgens6-photograph-questions-the-continuity-of-frames-in-zapruder-film/

“Symptoms of Foreknowledge”
https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2021/03/28/symptoms-of-foreknowledge/

“What Does Prayer Man’s Body Language Tell Us about His State of Mind?”
https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2020/11/30/what-does-prayer-mans-body-language-tell-us-about-his-state-of-mind/

“Predicting Prayer Man’s Body Height Using the 7 1/2 Rule”
https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com/2018/05/06/predicting-prayer-mans-body-height-using-the-7-1-2-rule/

Responses in “Prayer Man More Than a Fuzzy Picture” Education Forum thread
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/2/#findComment-510095
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/3/#findComment-510315
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/4/#findComment-510478
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/5/#findComment-510682

Greg Doudna:

“Prayer Man More Than a Fuzzy Picture: Some Comments on Prayer Man That May Be New in Support of Bart Kamp’s Book’s Thesis”
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/17/#findComment-515283

“Prayer Man More Than a Fuzzy Picture: Roy E. Lewis, "Last One Out Front", Standing at the Top of the Front Entrance”
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/21/#findComment-515848

Responses in “Prayer Man More Than a Fuzzy Picture” Education Forum thread on the issue of Oswald’s buying a Coke, when he ate lunch, and the Baker-Oswald encounter
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/21/#findComment-515858
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/21/#findComment-515883
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/22/#findComment-515945
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/22/#findComment-516009
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/23/#findComment-516021
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/12/#findComment-514833
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/12/#findComment-514856
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/12/#findComment-514888
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/15/#findComment-515172

David Josephs:

Responses in “Prayer Man More Than a Fuzzy Picture” Education Forum thread
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/3/#findComment-510189
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/3/#findComment-510334
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/4/#findComment-510454
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/5/#findComment-510605
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/5/#findComment-510621

Bart Kamp:

Bart Kamp’s website
https://www.prayer-man.com/

Bart Kamp’s book Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture
https://www.amazon.com/Prayer-Man-More-Fuzzy-Picture-ebook/dp/B0CD9GB83W/ref=sr_1_7?crid=2F84IJBF04IO&keywords=prayer+man&qid=1691144930&sprefix=prayer+man%2Caps%2C745&sr=8-7

Bart Kamp’s 2015 presentation “Prayer Man Is Lee Harvey Oswald”

Interviews with Bart Kamp on the Opperman Report and Out of the Blank podcasts
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture--57507025