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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 06:14:51 PM »
Bennett is looking [to his right] in Z-145, but he is not leaning [to his right] any discernible amount.

Bennett is starting to lean to his right in Z-145.

He's leaning out more in Z-150.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)

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If either Hickey or Bennett leans out, it is to look forward.

You're wrong about Hickey but right about Bennett.

Having heard the first shot,

1) George Hickey leans over the side of the car and looks down at the pavement, not "forward" at the limo or the approaching triple underpass, etc.

2) Glen Bennett leans to his right to view JFK around Dave Powers. While looking at JFK, he sees the second shot hit him in the back (lower neck, actually).


Regarding Hickey:

ME: Why did Hickey lean over and look down at the pavement before the second shot rang out?

Google AI: George Hickey leaned forward and looked toward the pavement because he believed a firecracker had exploded on the street right next to the car.

In his official Secret Service Report from November 30, 1963, Hickey explicitly detailed his physical reaction to that first loud noise:

"The noise seemed to me to come from a firecracker, and I thought to myself that the kids were playing with firecrackers again... It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level. I heard a report that sounded like a firecracker... I immediately stood up and looked and argued with myself that it was a firecracker."
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A windshield repair person would most likely conclude the windshield damage came from outside...

Bill "Rubbernecking" Greer was likely being put on notice... "don't divulge why you slowed the limo... we can get to you too..."
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:37:00 PM »
Who was it, then, who was sitting on the passenger's side of the car and around Z-145 started leaning far to his right while continuing to look straight ahead?

Bennett is looking left in z145 but he is not leaning left any discernible amount. But he is a bit higher than Dave Powers (whose face appears to be blocked by the roof support bar and whose hair is just above it) and Emory Roberts in front of him.  He is not as high as Hickey on the left rear seat. O'Donnell was in the left jump seat.



If Hickey and Bennett were looking at the crowd they would have to be looking directly to the side or rear because the two agents on the running board blocked their view of the crowd in front.  The only way to see in front would be to lean out.  So if either Hickey or Bennett leans out it is to look forward.
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“Before congress”? Or before a Housebsubcommittee chaired by
a MAGA Luna-tic ?


In 2018 Jim DiEugenio admitted to me on Facebook that the family photo I got of Sarah Stanton showed Prayer Man wasn't Oswald...When I responded that the best place to admit that would probably be The Education Forum where it would do the most good and correct wrongly-believed information Jim responded by putting me on Facebook block...He then teamed up with James Gordon in a defamation campaign saying I was only trying to troll him while ignoring my evidence...DiEugenio told Gordon that banning me was the right thing to do...Gordon liked to beat up people who were bound and gagged by banning and couldn't defend themselves...This coalition then sent Jim D to the Luna Task Force and used Oliver Stone as a prop in order to push a theory that Jim already admitted was bogus...Stone would have taken a big hit credibility-wise for this but there is corruption on all sides of this issue helping the guilty out of accountability at their own unchallenged word...Right now the Prayer Man crooks are working out a false history where the failure of finding the original films is going to be used as an excuse for not recognizing the evidence that disproved Prayer Man...These people operate by moderator corruption and not by good research practices...And they refer to James Gordon favorably...When you murder your adversaries with censorship you can present yourself in a false good light by your own description...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:18:15 PM »
Connally was mixed up and you're way off.
If he was mixed up, one would expect that he would have said inconsistent things in subsequent statements.  I don't see that he has done that. It is just that in this earliest interview for the WC investigation he provides a bit more detail.

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Rhetorical question:

Why is it we can see almost all of Connally's white shirt in Z-174, but we can't see his tie?
 
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z174.jpg

Answer:

Because Connally, having consciously begun by Z-151 to turn his head quickly to his LEFT (and therefore being captured "looking straight ahead" in the Croft photo at Z-161), by Z-169 has started turning his head and upper torso back to his right to see where the shot had come from and to see if JFK is okay.

Why not use a clearer close-up view:


We can see the right side of his shirt that is interrupted by Kellerman's right shoulder and the mirror but continues below until cut off by the car. We can see that the tie is blocked by the frame of the side window and the right side of his shirt is in the shade.  We can just barely make out the shaded right side of his shirt through the side window. We can see that he is looking to the right front at about a 2 o'clock direction.

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By Z-174, Connally's upper torso is turned so far to his right that his tie is obscured from our view by a part of the car.

Although Connally continues turning to his right, he can't "see" JFK in Z-179 because JFK has turned HIS head far to HIS right and has raised his hand to wave to someone.
That does not describe what JBC said he saw. He sensed that something was wrong with JFK. Had he seen JFK smiling and waving to the crowd, why would he have said what he said?


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Right now they are organizing under the reformation of The Education Forum and presenting the bogus Prayer Man theory before Congress...It is a research clique that has formed under Iler (who is just a front man for DiEugenio) and The Education Forum that doesn't answer to facts and decides who lives and dies in the research community via banning and censorship... Pat Speer directly depend on it silencing those who can point out the flaws in what they write...Speer talks a big talk but then slithers back to censorship to avoid answering...Speer fears me because he gloated about me not being allowed back on the forum...

“Before congress”? Or before a Housebsubcommittee chaired by
a MAGA Luna-tic ?
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Ideologues or stooges are nothing new in the JFKA space.


Right now they are organizing under the reformation of The Education Forum and presenting the bogus Prayer Man theory before Congress...It is a research clique that has formed under Iler (who is just a front man for DiEugenio) and The Education Forum that doesn't answer to facts and decides who lives and dies in the research community via banning and censorship... Pat Speer directly depends on it silencing those who can point out the flaws in what they write...Speer talks a big talk but then slithers back to censorship to avoid answering...Speer fears me because he gloated about me not being allowed back on the forum...
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   Yes, I have seen the SS Pics of "A" windshield. The images of the windshield I refer to were taken at Parkland Hospital, only minutes after the car arrived there, and only minutes after JFK had been removed from the vehicle. Now, put yourself in a jury box. Which images of the windshield are You going to place your trust in?

If I'm in the jury box, I'd put my faith in whatever pictures were presented unless one side or another presented evidence the pictures were fabricated. Of course, if credible evidence of forgery was presented, the judge might rule the pictures inadmissible. I'm not a lawyer but my experience on four different juries tells me it's likely any objections one side or the other had to pictures presented by the other side would not be done in the presence of the jury. The judge would rule on admissibility BEFORE the jury was allowed to see them.
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The JFK internet coddles Bart Kamp and protects his garbage claims...

A good example is Eli Frame whose unquestioning backing of Prayer Man and defamation of myself took him from podcast host to controlling member of The Education Forum with no intervention by Andrew Iler's carefully crafted set of rules...
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You can see Gloria Calvery climbing the front steps in Couch/Darnell...If you rewind the film, the timing shown by Lovelady & Shelley headed up the extension matches the timing of Calvery climbing the steps after talking to Lovelady & Shelley at the base of the steps...Both parties are where they should be according to testimony...The film evidence is what happened...

I've been to Dealey Plaza in 2016...It is smaller than it looks in person...Calvery and Reed bolting on adrenaline, in reaction to seeing Kennedy's brains blown out at close range, could have covered the distance required to get to the steps and inform Lovelady & Shelley what they just witnessed...Frazier said Calvery was hysterically shouting in a low voice "They have shot the president"...This spurred Lovelady & Shelley to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...Pretending this wasn't possible isn't very credible...The time that took is what the official record is and this evidence can be used to measure calibration of the event...

The Education Forum has now established corruption as its main means instead of credible, objective research...The captain of that is one stupid bastard named Jim DiEugenio who has a whole internet full of ***-kissers lining up to assist him...The devil take Sandy Larsen...

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