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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Jack Trojan on Yesterday at 03:22:30 AM »
    There it is. You patting Bill Clinton on the head for demanding "total transparency". That's rich.

Enough with the "what aboutism" already. Nobody cares about the Clintons, Biden or Obama except you MAGATs, comrade.

You seem to be obsessed and/or hot for Bill Clinton. In a March 2018 email exchange, was Clinton the person Epstein's brother was referring to when Jeffrey mentioned being with Steve Bannon? Mark asked, "Ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba." Do you think Clinton is who Mark meant by "Bubba"? Do you wish it was you?

Do you have any rebuttal to anything else I posted about Donnie Von Shitsinpants? Didn't think so. You must have caught the TDS (Trump Dementia Sickness)
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What about Max Holland['s] claiming the elapsed firing time was 11+ seconds?

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Why are you obsessed with Max Holland?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:17:41 AM »
There it is. You patting Bill Clinton on the head for demanding "total transparency". That's rich.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

If Slick Willie participated, he should be castrated just like you-know-who if he participated.

-- Tom
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Towner said this: "As the first gunshot sounded I looked up at the buildings thinking somebody was throwing firecrackers out the window but only a split second I only had a split second before some stranger and I still don't know who it was pulled me down to the ground..."

And: "You were close to the gunshots. What did you think?

Towner: "I thought at first I thought it was firecrackers. I thought somebody was throwing firecrackers out of a window and I looked up for a split second and wasn't looking for anything specific but somebody pulled me down to the ground by my arm..a stranger and so I laid there on the ground and when he let go of my arm I wish I knew who this person was but I don't when he let go of my arm it was safe to get up and I reconnected with my parents...."

So she's standing and hears a shot. Then is pulled to the ground when/where she hears two more. It's obvious, isn't it?, that the sounds/volume would be different in those two different positions. Standing up vs. laying on the ground. Although, as you point out (and the interview above says), she didn't say this.

Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAESmcusUcI&t=2s
   
    What about Max Holland claiming the elapsed firing time is 11+ seconds? Are you claiming that Towner was on the ground for somewhere close to 10 seconds? And heard shots 2 & 3 from that position? That is a very long time to be on the ground. Especially with her Mom right there.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 23, 2025, 11:51:39 PM »
I couldn't care less about Bill Clinton. Did you see the picture of Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, and her children? They redacted the kids, creating a disturbing implication that their mother was involved in a three-way assault with her own children. That is a deplorable insinuation that only Heir Drumpf could conceive. Additionally, did you notice that Bill Clinton has called his bluff and is demanding that all the files be released unredacted? He is advocating for total transparency, which is the opposite of what Donnie Von Shitsinpants represents. You could cut the irony with a small spoon, the kind you would use to snort Adderall.  ???

    There it is. You patting Bill Clinton on the head for demanding "total transparency". That's rich.
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While in Dallas last month, I performed a time trial (with a conspiracy advocate at my side) from the front of the Depository building to Tenth & Patton.  Here are my results...

From the front steps of the Depository, I walked east on Elm to the spot where Oswald got on the McWatters bus. 6:55

Allow for 4 minutes on the bus (per McWatters' testimony). 4:00

From the point Oswald got off the bus, I walked over to the Greyhound station to where Whaley's cab was parked. 3:26

I drove from that spot to the intersection of Beckley & Neely. 4:53

(Side note: I got stopped at 3 traffic lights and paused the stop watch at all 3 until the light turned green)

I walked from Beckley & Neely (where Oswald exited Whaley's cab) back to the rooming house front door: 5:54

I allowed 1 minute to be back inside the room ("Just long enough, I guess, to grab a jacket and put it on" - Earlene Roberts). 1:00

I allowed 1 minute to stand at the bus stop. 1:00

From the bus stop outside the rooming house, I walked to the spot of Tippit's patrol car. 12:20

Total time.... 39:28

 

If I leave the front steps of the Depository at 12:33 pm, then I am at the patrol car on Tenth Street between 1:12 pm and 1:13 pm.

And Oswald probably would have walked from the rooming house to Tenth & Patton quicker than my 12:20 time.

Unsolved History, the Gary Mack/Dave Perry Oswald double did it in less than 11:20.

There is no problem with whether or not Oswald was able to get to the Tippit shooting in time.


Thanks, Bill, for putting this to rest. Oswald killed Tippit at 1:15 and had plenty of time to get there. This part of the case is closed.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Jack Trojan on December 23, 2025, 10:14:47 PM »
     " I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky", from Pres Bill Clinton while under oath. And now you are claiming this same man wants, "total transparency" with respect to other sexual issue(s)? Seriously?   
It's easy to verify if you were genuinely interested. But we both know you're just trying to deflect from the fact that Heir Drumpf is heavily implicated in the Epstein files. By the way, Epstein himself stated in an email that Clinton had never been to the Island. D'oh! :o

But I don't care one way or the other. Here's something more recent for you: Did you know that the DOJ included a fake video showing Epstein hanging himself in the files? This 12-second clip was clearly created using AI, yet we are expected to believe the DOJ thought it was real and released it as conclusive evidence that Heir Drumpf didn't have him killed. Why didn't Patel, Bondi, and Bongino mention this video instead of tampering with the one that is missing a couple of crucial minutes showing the killer exiting the scene? Talk about the Keystone Cops guarding the pedo house. I see substantial jail time in their future.

 8)
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While in Dallas last month, I performed a time trial (with a conspiracy advocate at my side) from the front of the Depository building to Tenth & Patton.  Here are my results...

From the front steps of the Depository, I walked east on Elm to the spot where Oswald got on the McWatters bus. 6:55

Allow for 4 minutes on the bus (per McWatters' testimony). 4:00

From the point Oswald got off the bus, I walked over to the Greyhound station to where Whaley's cab was parked. 3:26

I drove from that spot to the intersection of Beckley & Neely. 4:53

(Side note: I got stopped at 3 traffic lights and paused the stop watch at all 3 until the light turned green)

I walked from Beckley & Neely (where Oswald exited Whaley's cab) back to the rooming house front door: 5:54

I allowed 1 minute to be back inside the room ("Just long enough, I guess, to grab a jacket and put it on" - Earlene Roberts). 1:00

I allowed 1 minute to stand at the bus stop. 1:00

From the bus stop outside the rooming house, I walked to the spot of Tippit's patrol car. 12:20

Total time.... 39:28

 

If I leave the front steps of the Depository at 12:33 pm, then I am at the patrol car on Tenth Street between 1:12 pm and 1:13 pm.

And Oswald probably would have walked from the rooming house to Tenth & Patton quicker than my 12:20 time.

Unsolved History, the Gary Mack/Dave Perry Oswald double did it in less than 11:20.

There is no problem with whether or not Oswald was able to get to the Tippit shooting in time.
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From CIA files:

“IJDECANTER (a CIA asset) knew Yurshak as Belorussian KGB in Minsk in the early 1980s. Yurshak was in his late 50s then. When asked if Yurshak was bragging, he said, "No ... I think that 100 percent he was involved in this Oswald case ... He was stuck to his one point of view. First, never had any kind of task for Oswald to kill Kennedy. Second, that he was actually recruited and he ran him. And third, Marina was our swallow and then she rejected cooperation.”

I have some bad news for you and John Newman.

IJDECANTER (Sergey Papushin) was a false defector, as indicated even by "useful idiots" like Milton Bearden in his book, The Main Enemy, and Sandra Grimes and Jeanne Vertefeuille in their book, Circle of Treason.

Bearden, page 438-39

Langley, August 16, 1990. During his sober moments, Papushin was clearly frustrated by the fact that he was largely being ignored by the CIA and FBI. So he did something he knew was guaranteed to once again grab attention: he gave one of his handlers an urgent message to be taken immediately to the top levels of the CIA. There is a mole in your there is a mole in the agency, Papushin declared. The KGB has one of your people. The CIA now gave Papushin their full attention and listened carefully to his story. He said that the KGB had a penetration of the CIA in Moscow. He had friends in the American department of the Second Chief Directorate, and he'd overheard enough from his colleagues to conclude that they had an agent in the CIA station. But as he was questioned further, it became apparent that he was scrambling with a fabricated story. Nothing he told his debriefers checked out, and eventually we concluded that he had come up with this story out of desperation. Another dead end in the search for an answer, any answer, to the problems five years earlier.

Grimes and Vertefeuille, page 210:

At one point in this phase, we became seriously sidetracked for a while. We received a report from an officer in one of our overseas stations that he had been in contact with a KGB officer and that this KGB officer had told him that the KGB was running a mole inside the CIA. As the story was told to us, the mole was an ethnic Russian who had served in Moscow. Based on this report, we began to concentrate on CIA employees who fit the parameters of this lead, although we did not discontinue examining information on employees, like Rick Ames, who did not. Eventually we discovered that there were major flaws in this story, and that it was probably a total fabrication. During this same period, we also received some misleading reporting from Sergey Papushin, the defector from the KGB's internal counterintelligence component [i.e., the Second Chief Directorate], to the effect that this component was running a CIA officer who had been assigned to Moscow. In other words, there was some similarity between populations statements and those recounted in the above statement. Unfortunately, Papushin had a severe alcohol problem which shortly thereafter caused his death. We ultimately decided that his reporting could not be relied upon. We then started to refocus on our shortlist as originally compiled. However, we had lost valuable time.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Elmer Gertz on Jack Ruby
« Last post by Fred Litwin on December 23, 2025, 09:00:29 PM »
when were those calls made?
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