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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Tommy Shanks on Today at 06:19:51 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 02:07:19 PM
   After 62+ years, I can understand you're having problems accepting that which has been right in front of you.

You're the one having problems. Mitch Todd just deflated your nonsensical "Elm Street Extension" balloon.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 05:54:00 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 05:21:00 PM
   Please define what you specifically mean by "modern ammo".
   The "Steam/Cigarette Smoke" claim is usually made as a rebuttal to the "Gun Smoke" claim. To me, this means there was indeed something in the air on the parking lot side of the picket fence.
   Just looking at him, I personally do not regard Holland as a good "eyeball" witness. Still, he was a real life witness. I have not seen or even read a name attached to this steam pipe going off like a tea kettle at 12:30. I have the feeling that this is just another JFK Assassination Urban Legend.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 05:46:45 PM »

  It is strange to see Maxwell getting consistently dogpiled, vs no response regarding: (1) "Shadow DNA",  and, (2) A "Rectangle Of Invisibility" measuring 17.5 Feet long by almost 5 Feet high. ALL of these being in the vein of "Badge Man".   
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 05:21:42 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 05:21:00 PM
   Please define what you specifically mean by "modern ammo".
   The "Steam/Cigarette Smoke" claim is usually made as a rebuttal to the "Gun Smoke" claim. To me, this means there was indeed something in the air on the parking lot side of the picket fence. Just looking at him, I personally do not regard Holland as a good "eyeball" witness. Still, he was a real life witness. I have not seen or even read a name attached to this steam pipe going off like a tea kettle at 12:30. I have the feeling that this is just another JFK Assassination Urban Legend.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 05:21:00 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 04:58:54 PM
The steam/smoke claim has for years been advanced by the conspiracy crowd. I have no idea if it was true or not nor do I care. The reason is that modern ammo emits very little smoke and it dissipates almost immediately. If someone actually saw something, we can safely say it was not a firearm unless the shooter was firing a blunderbuss.

   Please define what you specifically mean by "modern ammo".
   The "Steam/Cigarette Smoke" claim is usually made as a rebuttal to the "Gun Smoke" claim. To me, this means there was indeed something in the air on the parking lot side of the picket fence. Just looking at him, I personally do not regard Holland as a good "eyeball" witness. Still, he was a real life witness. I have not seen or even read a name attached to this steam pipe going off like a tea kettle at 12:30. I have the feeling that this is just another JFK Assassination Urban Legend. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:58:54 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 03:45:44 PM
    Exactly WHO saw "steam" being emitted by that pipe at around 12:30? If you want proof of "gun smoke", you should also be asking for proof of "steam". Fair Is Fair. I believe the proof regarding the smell of "gunpowder" is far greater than any alleged proof of "gun smoke" or "steam".

The steam/smoke claim has for years been advanced by the conspiracy crowd. I have no idea if it was true or not nor do I care. The reason is that modern ammo emits very little smoke and it dissipates almost immediately. If someone actually saw something, we can safely say it was not a firearm unless the shooter was firing a blunderbuss.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:54:00 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Shanks on Today at 04:06:25 PM
We've got one guy in this thread yammering on about impostor Dallas policemen, getaway cars and all sorts of other nuttiness and another who continues to somehow believe that a Secret Service agent accidentally shot JFK from one of the follow-up cars. This is the sad, sad state of JFK assassination research in 2026...

It wasn't any better back in 1991 when I first started engaging online with the Anybody-But-Oswald crowd. It hasn't improved at all since. At no point has it ever been rational. The only thing that has changed is the cult seems to be smaller and getting smaller with each passing year. 

We can believe all sorts of nefarious activities were going on at all levels of government or we can believe Oswald did it all by himself. Tough call.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:47:21 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Today at 03:27:11 PM
In what Bizarro universe is such a thing even possible.
 
Perhaps you should check out the case of Rubin "Hurricane" Carter and the activities of the Innocence Project https://innocenceproject.org/. You might learn something.

So you really don't have an explanation. Don't feel bad. Nobody else does either.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:45:14 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Shanks on Today at 04:08:30 PM
John, sadly you're wasting your time. "Jake Maxwell" has brought forth some of the most ridiculous photo alteration claims in recent memory. Somewhere, Jack White, Ralph Cinque and James Fetzer are applauding...

It's been a number of years since I saw the name Ralph Cinque. I used to engage with him over on McAdams website. He had some bizarre ideas. I think his baby was the Oswald Innocence Campaign or something like that. Is Ralph still on the good side of the grass?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Tommy Shanks on Today at 04:08:30 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 03:02:55 PM
It requires a real active imagination to think that the posted picture even remotely resembles a man with a rifle. You really have to be desperate to conjure up a second gunman when you believe nonsense like that.

John, sadly you're wasting your time. "Jake Maxwell" has brought forth some of the most ridiculous photo alteration claims in recent memory. Somewhere, Jack White, Ralph Cinque and James Fetzer are applauding...
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