JFK Assassination Forum

This was funny when it first aired in 1992 and seems funnier every time I watch it. Seinfeld's recreation of the event actually makes more sense than Kevin Costner's recreation of the SBT in Oliver Stone's crappy movie. My favorite part of it is that actor Wayne Knight (Newman) played a key part in both recreations.

I tried to find a video of the original but the only one I could find didn't post properly.

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The HSCA was a group of smart and skeptical people, and they concluded LHO owned the M-C rife (technically a carbine) in question.

They were congressmen. Do you think we send our best and brightest people to Congress? As for skeptical, they weren't the least bit skeptical about the acoustic evidence on which they based their erroneous conclusion of a fourth shot and a second shooter.

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It sure looks like LHO carried a suspicious bundle into the TSBD6 on 11.22, and then slender light-skinned male was seen (by Howard Brennan) firing three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window in the direction of the limo, while gunfire rang out.

I believe Brennan only located Oswald in time to see the final shot. He would have had no reason to be looking in that direction when the first shot was fired.

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Three loud shots were heard inside the TSBD during the JFKA, three shells found in the TSBD6 sniper window.

Not one eyewitness said they saw LHO while shots rang out. LHO was invisible. The Prayer-woman image is risible.

Brennan is one eyewitness and he saw Oswald fire the third shot.

I would lay heavy odds LHO was the TSBD6 sniper.

I would put it at 100%

But, IMHO, LHO could not have perped the GK smoke-and-bang-show, nor fired rounds that struck Gov. JBC ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Nobody fired a shot from the GK. There's no forensic evidence. There is no eyewitness who saw a shooter.

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US State Dep't employees, including the Ambassador to Mexico, lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.

Hadn't heard that one. Do you have a source for it.

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LHO met with three KGB officers in MC. On a Saturday! LHO may have met G2 ops in New Orleans (says Gus Russo). Alpha 66 had a house on Harlandale in Dallas, where a lone eyewitness placed LHO. Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2.

Sounds a lot like they embellished stories I've read about for years.

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LHO may have been induced by money, or promise of flight to Cuba, to participate in the JFKA.

How would anybody in MC have known at the time that Oswald would be working in a building overlooking a motorcade route that hadn't even been planned yet. Nobody even knew there was going to be a motorcade. Why would anybody in MC have any interest in working with Oswald?

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Remember...why did President LBJ direct the WC to conclude with the LN narrative?

Why are you making things up?

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LBJ, with a lot of good reasons, wanted to avoid a nuke war with Russia.

Also, there just was not much JFKAC there. A small plot, with no oversight or participation by institutions...left no trails to follow, once LHO was dead.

So would Oswald being a lone assassin.

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The HSCA was a group of smart and skeptical people, and they concluded LHO owned the M-C rife (technically a carbine) in question.

It sure looks like LHO carried a suspicious bundle into the TSBD6 on 11.22, and then slender light-skinned male was seen (by Howard Brennan) firing three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window in the direction of the limo, while gunfire rang out.

Three loud shots were heard inside the TSBD during the JFKA, three shells found in the TSBD6 sniper window.

Not one eyewitness said they saw LHO while shots rang out. LHO was invisible. The Prayer-woman image is risible.

I would lay heavy odds LHO was the TSBD6 sniper.

But, IMHO, LHO could not have perped the GK smoke-and-bang-show, nor fired rounds that struck Gov. JBC ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

US State Dep't employees, including the Ambassador to Mexico, lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.

LHO met with three KGB officers in MC. On a Saturday! LHO may have met G2 ops in New Orleans (says Gus Russo). Alpha 66 had a house on Harlandale in Dallas, where a lone eyewitness placed LHO. Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2.

LHO may have been induced by money, or promise of flight to Cuba, to participate in the JFKA.

Remember...why did President LBJ direct the WC to conclude with the LN narrative? 

LBJ, with a lot of good reasons, wanted to avoid a nuke war with Russia.

Also, there just was not much JFKAC there. A small plot, with no oversight or participation by institutions...left no trails to follow, once LHO was dead.

   ROBIN - I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?
                I believe I have matched your posted Darnell frame, with the same Darnell frame from the Darnell film posted on You Tube by - SixthFloorMuseum. The You Tube still frame shows open space behind the man's head on the (R) side. It also shows the entire license plate on the front end of the car on the extreme (L).

ROBIN - "I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?"

No i posted the film frame as I found it.

Here is the film GIF.

 https://app.box.com/s/6c53fk2dbdq5d5enwjde2c0bs1ahn10f

The Z-film puts it about 1.5 seconds later. I'm going with that.

Do you mean your interpretation of the zfilm or what is unequivocally displayed in the zfilm?

JBC's right side was directly in line with the exit wound in JFK's throat. You make the same mistake the CTs do in assuming JBC was seated directly in front of JFK.

No. I put JBC to the left of JFK by 10-20 cm or 4-8 inches which is what Itek Corp. determined:



The problem is that the wound in JBC’s back was 20 cm right of JBC’s midline putting the back wound directly in front of JFK’s midline but no farther left:



At z220 the angle from the SN to the car direction was at least 12 degrees. A bullet through JFK exiting a tad left of his midline (to the left side of the tie knot) on a right to left angle of 12 degrees would have traveled farther left before reaching JBC. With the plane of JBC’s back being at least 24 inches from JFK’s exit wound, this means the bullet had to have gone left another 24tan12=5.1 inches before striking JBC. That puts it 5.1 inches left of where the wound was.  And that is assuming the maximum offset of the two men.

It would require a magic bullet for the bullet exiting JFK's throat to hit JBC on his left side.

At z193 the angle through JFK was about 16 degrees:


So the bullet would have passed about 7 inches farther left, ie. 1 inch left of JBC’s spine. If JBC was a few inches farther ahead or less than 6 inches (4 is within the Itek margin) left of JFK, it could have passed 3-4 inches left of JBC’s spine. With JBC turned right as he was at z193 it would have missed the back entirely.  One can easily see how the bullet through JFK goes to JBC’s left side in the Secret Service film recreation:
. No magic required!