JFK Assassination Forum

To call Tom an LNer doesn't do justice to his wackiness. Yes, he is weirdly devoted to the LN narrative and obsessed with the details of Dealey Plaza, but this is ONLY in the context of the LN narrative being an example of the massive, decades-long KGB Master Plot conspiracy in which Oswald and Marina were operatives. Why he resists another KGB-affiliated gunman or at least some KGB-affiliated helpers in Dealey Plaza, I'm not sure - but he is indeed a hardcore LNer in the context of a massive KGB conspiracy (with even Oswald being on a KGB mission, which would seem to make the JFKA itself a conspiracy).

If anyone cares to, you can trace Tom's evolution at the Ed Forum. I found the very thread - from 2018, as I recall - where someone introduced him to Bagley's book. You can then trace his dawning epiphany, which seems to be related more to Trump than anything else. "Yes, this is it!" you can see Tom saying. "The Master Plot explains The Donald and Putin and everything else, including the JFKA!" He's really working bassackwards from the election of Trump to how this explains the previous 75 years of American history, with the JFKA just being one of the stations of the cross in his Monster Plot theology.

Dear Fancy Pants Rants,

Whether or not self-described Marxist Oswald murdered JFK at the suggestion of or ... gasp ... unlikely orders from the KGB, it is interesting to note that:
1) A true defector, KGB Major Pyotr Deriabin, wrote a day or two after the assassination that Marina Prusakova had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry Oswald and leave the USSR with him

2) A CIA Counterintelligence analyst, Clare Edward Petty, read some WW II VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s and came to the conclusion that George DeMohrenschildt was very likely a long-term (since 1938) "Illegal"

3) Ivan Obyedkov, the KGB security officer at the Soviet Embassy -- who told a forgetful Oswald or "Oswald" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on 10/01/63 that the name of the "consul" he had met with a few days earlier was Department 13-radioactive "Kostikov" -- was a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him (Obyedkov).

Apparently due to fear of a Nuclear Armageddon, this fact caused LBJ, the FBI, and the Warren Commission to not look too deeply at the possibility that the KGB was behind the assassination.

4) The only reason KGB Colonel Valery Kostikov was "Department 13-radioactive" on 10/01/63 and 11/23/63 was because a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA, had told it a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the U.N., Igor Brykin, was "Department 13."

5) The description of the "Oswald" that Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue allegedly dealt with at the Cuban Consulate on Friday, 27 October 1963 strongly matched Raul Castro's and Che Guevarra's mentor -- short, skinny, blond-haired, 35-year-old, very-thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov -- whose cover was "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet Embassy and who, on 22 November 1993, told National Enquirer that he and Oswald had a one-on-one meeting at the Soviet Embassy (not the Consulate) on Sunday, September 29, during which ... yep ... Oswald started weeping and brandishing a revolver (just as he'd allegedly done at the Consulate the day before, but of course Leonov didn't mention that in his article).

-- Tom

Oh yeah, and "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin installed The Traitorous Orange Conman Turd as our "President" on 20 January 2017.

Oswald would have been wearing his tan (light brown) shirt over his white t-shirt. He probably had it unbuttoned part way down so it is easy to understand why some would remember the t-shirt and Baker remembered the shirt as being a jacket. There was really no reason for Reid or Truly to pay close attention to what Oswald was wearing at the time they saw him. Truly didn't consider him a suspect and Reid had no reason to either. Why would they be expected to pay close attention to what he was wearing. Think of how many people you encounter casually during the course of a day. How accurately do you think you could remember what they were wearing? This is why I don't put a lot of faith in human recollections. We tend to remember bits and pieces of what we saw and fill in the blanks with the rest. People just aren't that observant or details. As an example, I saw the Amazon delivery guy drop a package on my porch yesterday. I sort of remember him wearing blue jeans, a blue shirt, and blue cap but I wouldn't bet my monthly Social Security deposit on any of that.

PS. I tried a Banquet pot pie. Not bad but I'm glad I only paid $1 for it.

I don't think that quite works. Encountering the presidential assassin would have to have been among the more significant events in Baker's and Reid's dull lives. The difference between a light brown jacket and a white v-neck t-shirt is pretty stark. Baker said "lt. brown jacket" the day of the JFKA and didn't waver at the WC - he even suggested it was over some sort of white shirt. Reid said "white t-shirt" the day after the assassination and "not wearing or carrying a jacket" two days later. This is a far cry from the Amazon delivery guy or even me hunting for my wife in Walmart and having no answer other than "clothes" when some employee asks me what she is wearing.

Ms. Wheeler's contributions seem awfully (suspiciously?) harsh for someone with a mere handful of posts. Perhaps there is a history of which I am unaware. The fact is, Tom's participation in the JFKA goes w-a-y back, and he made some good contributions before he went completely off the KGB/TDS cliff. I have simply put him on Ignore, which is simpler than haranguing at him. Ben likewise goes way back and has raised some good points over the years. His G2 stuff flows from the work of Gus Russo, whose contributions to JFKA research I highly respect. While I enjoy verbal jousting and have a Ph.D in Snarkiness Studies, I don't see that anything is gained by just calling people stupid and delusional. An internet forum that limited itself to non-stupid, non-delusional contributors would be very thinly populated. I happen to think that both the KGB and G2 angles are misguided for the reasons I've set forth, but they aren't insane.

I came to this board in February of this year but that hardly makes me a newbie. I have argued online about the JFKA off and on for the past 35 years. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Veronica Jayne Wheeler has a similar past but based on what she has written, it seems she has developed some strong opinions about the JFKA. I have no idea whether she is an LN or a CT but I would bet heavily that this isn't her first rodeo regarding the JFKA.

I remember when I was a newbie when I first joined the online discourse 35 years ago on the old Prodigy service. If I saw somebody today writing crap like I was posting back then, I would smack them upside the head (figuratively speaking, of course). 

As for TG, his TDS and PDS seem to color just about everything he posts lately. These conditions seem to be chronic.

Two thumbs up!!!

Ms. Wheeler's contributions seem awfully (suspiciously?) harsh for someone with a mere handful of posts. Perhaps there is a history of which I am unaware. The fact is, Tom's participation in the JFKA goes w-a-y back, and he made some good contributions before he went completely off the KGB/TDS cliff. I have simply put him on Ignore, which is simpler than haranguing at him. Ben likewise goes way back and has raised some good points over the years. His G2 stuff flows from the work of Gus Russo, whose contributions to JFKA research I highly respect. While I enjoy verbal jousting and have a Ph.D in Snarkiness Studies, I don't see that anything is gained by just calling people stupid and delusional. An internet forum that limited itself to non-stupid, non-delusional contributors would be very thinly populated. I happen to think that both the KGB and G2 angles are misguided for the reasons I've set forth, but they aren't insane.

I would wager that most of us are better informed about the JFKA than LBJ simply because we didn't get the bulk of our information from Hoover.