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How do you know they're tall tales?

I don't see anything tall about these tales. Pena is just saying he saw two people coming in to a bar together. Seems kinda mundane to me.
You are conveniently ignoring that he also said he was an FBI informant, knew Oswald was an FBI informant, saw Oswald with Warren DeBrueys, and saw Oswald 10-12 times in Pedro's restaurant, often in the company of Customs and INS agents. His claims about seeing Ferrie and Shaw are not, on their face, outlandish, although they are at odds with pretty much all the evidence and difficult to believe in the context of Shaw's life. It's Pena's other stuff that would make me put his Ferrie-Shaw stuff in the category of a tall tale. If the same thing had been said by some banker who had no connection of any sort with any JFKA stuff, that would be one thing - but Pena was knee-deep in JFKA stuff and clearly trying to implicate Shaw via innuendo for some purpose known only to him.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tommy Shanks on Yesterday at 06:44:31 PM »
No surprise that amateur photo analyst Royell Strong is a Donald Trump sycophant...
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They're tall tales because they're not supported by any other evidence, as Fred points out in his own blog posting.
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That "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood.
 

Maybe it's "Harvey Oswald" masquerading as him? Or maybe it's the "short, dumpy" Marguerite Oswald impersonator, stuffed into a DPD uniform? Either of these are just as likely as Royell Storing's preposterous claims about altered Dealey Plaza films and photos.
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The Resident Crazy Person has resorted to what we in the weirdness trade call the Omniscient Villain Ploy. There is essentially no inconvenient fact that the proponent of a wacky theory cannot tap-dance away from by hypothesizing an Omniscient Villain. The Omniscient Villain KGB, you see, had an entire training program whereby agents were trained to speak in clumsy, broken Russian because ... because ... well, hey, because you never know when this facility might come in handy, even in an unlikely spot like Mexico City, and the Omniscient Villain anticipates every conceivable eventuality. I have a hard time trying to picture myself intentionally speaking clumsy, broken English without giggling, but then I didn't undergo the intensive KGB training.

The Omniscient Villain Ploy is very similar to the Up Is Down, Black Is White, True Is False Ploy that one finds throughout the Conspiracy Game. I'll have to add it to my little "Beginner's Guide."

The Resident Crazy Person seems to have an inordinate fondness for Grok, as though it were some Delphic Oracle and he were actually communing with a mind having the capacity for independent thought. I tend to regard AI as little more than a high-tech Ouija board. The notion that a mindless program roaming Everything On the Internet is likely to generate rational answers to complex questions strikes me as self-evidently comical.

But what the hell, I'll play along: I asked Mr. AI, "What is the likelihood that the Russian KGB was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy?" Not quite the same as asking the date of the assassination or how long to bake a potato, which is the sort of thing for which I tend to rely on AI, but certainly more straightforward than the Resident Crazy Person's Mexico City question. Mr. AI replied, in a veritable burst of artificial sanity, as follows:

"Official investigations and historical evidence suggest that the likelihood of the KGB being behind the assassination of President Kennedy is very low. Major governmental reviews and declassified intelligence indicate that the Soviet Union not only lacked a motive but was deeply concerned about being blamed for the event."

Thank you, Mr. AI, you can return to your nap now.

Dear Fancy Pants Rants,

I'm sorry that, Traitorous Orange Xxxx-lover that you are, you find it so difficult to deal with anything that might suggest that the KGB* was involved in the JFK assassination -- difficult for you because it suggests that it was a lot more powerful back-in-the-day than you want to believe -- and, despite what your beautiful Byelorussian wife has probably led you to believe -- was still sufficiently powerful in November 2016 as to be able to install your hero, the aforementioned Traitorous Orange Xxxx, as our nation-rending "president" on 20 January 2017.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom
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The Resident Crazy Person has resorted to what we in the weirdness trade call the Omniscient Villain Ploy. There is essentially no inconvenient fact that the proponent of a wacky theory cannot tap-dance away from by hypothesizing an Omniscient Villain. The Omniscient Villain KGB, you see, had an entire training program whereby agents were trained to speak in clumsy, broken Russian because ... because ... well, hey, because you never know when this facility might come in handy, even in an unlikely spot like Mexico City, and the Omniscient Villain anticipates every conceivable eventuality. I have a hard time trying to picture myself intentionally speaking clumsy, broken English without giggling, but then I didn't undergo the intensive KGB training.

The Omniscient Villain Ploy is very similar to the Up Is Down, Black Is White, True Is False Ploy that one finds throughout the Conspiracy Game. I'll have to add it to my little "Beginner's Guide."

The Resident Crazy Person seems to have an inordinate fondness for Grok, as though it were some Delphic Oracle and he were actually communing with a mind having the capacity for independent thought. I tend to regard AI as little more than a high-tech Ouija board. The notion that a mindless program roaming Everything On the Internet is likely to generate rational answers to complex questions strikes me as self-evidently comical.

But what the hell, I'll play along: I asked Mr. AI, "What is the likelihood that the Russian KGB was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy?" Not quite the same as asking the date of the assassination or how long to bake a potato, which is the sort of thing for which I tend to rely on AI, but certainly more straightforward than the Resident Crazy Person's Mexico City question. Mr. AI replied, in a veritable burst of artificial sanity, as follows:

"Official investigations and historical evidence suggest that the likelihood of the KGB being behind the assassination of President Kennedy is very low. Major governmental reviews and declassified intelligence indicate that the Soviet Union not only lacked a motive but was deeply concerned about being blamed for the event."

Thank you, Mr. AI, you can return to your nap now.
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Excellent work, Fred. Not sure why Gerry is suddenly clinging to Orest Pena's tall tales.
How do you know they're tall tales?

I don't see anything tall about these tales. Pena is just saying he saw two people coming in to a bar together. Seems kinda mundane to me.
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It occurred to me: Why did Rimma Shirakova say that Oswald's Russian was so rudimentary that they communicated in English? Why did Ernst Titovets, his closest friend, say that he spoke Russian poorly? Why did no one at the hospital to which he was taken after his dubious suicide attempt report that he was able to communicate in surprisingly good Russian? Why did his would-be fiance, Ella German, describe his communication in Russian as "functional" but his grammar as "horrific"? Why did none of his many, many coworkers and acquaintances who were interviewed by people like Norman Mailer and Peter Vronsky report that his Russian was surprisingly good? Makes no sense. Oh, wait, it does at the Harvey & Lee site: Harvey (or Lee, as the case may be) carefully disguised that he was absolutely fluent and, indeed, a native Russian speaker! Up is down, black is white, Lee Harvey Oswald was actually a native Russian speaker.

Perhaps you folks have seen this, but I hadn't. It is a translation provided to the ARRB of a series of pieces that appeared in Izvestia, one of the two primary Russian newspapers, in August of 1992. It's quite a straightforward piece of reporting about the Belarusian KGB files on Oswald and the intense, 24-hour-a-day surveillance of him: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10336-10032.pdf. It's surprisingly candid (it seems to me) about the secrecy surrounding the Soviet KGB files and claimed lack of interest in Oswald. The Resident Crazy Person will, of course, claim that it's just a KGB fluff piece, but you can judge that for yourself.

What I found interesting is that the article refers to Oswald's poor Russian language skills in several places. In one, an upstairs neighbor had accidentally left the water running, and it trickled down to Oswald's apartment. He came screaming upstairs to complain, but his Russian skills were so poor that it was difficult to understand him. As time went by, his Russian got "better." This kind of thing is far more telling than anything to which those claiming he had proficiency in Russian can point. A CTer is almost forced to H&L "logic," where his lack of proficiency is actually proof of his fluency.

Dear Fancy Pants Rants,

If one of your beloved KGB* officers impersonated Oswald over the phone on 10/1/63, what does it matter how good or bad Oswald's Russian was?

Don't you think your beloved KGB* officer could have intentionally spoken "terrible, hardly recognizable" Russian in doing so?

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom

PS Given the fact that "former" KGB* officer Vladimir Putin installed The Traitorous Orange Xxxx as our "president" on 20 January 2017 and 20 January 2025, do you still think Yuri "The KGB Had Nothing to Do With U-2 Radar Operator Oswald in the USSR" Nosenko was a true physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964?

How about in June 1962 in Geneva?

Was he a true defector-in-place to the CIA in June 1962 in Geneva?

If so, why did he, claiming to have come from a different part of the highly compartmentalized KGB* than then-recent true defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, say so many things that contradicted what Golitsyn had told the CIA six months earlier?

What about KGB* Major Aleksei Kulak, J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA?

Do you think he truly spied for the FBI for fifteen years?

Do you really think GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov was uncovered by the KGB* in 1959 because it happened to see Embassy employee George Winters mail a letter to him?

Do you deny that an article in a Communist-owed Italian newspaper that was published three days after Jim Garrison arrested Clay Shaw on suspicion of having organized a homosexual "thrill kill" assassination of JFK motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He did it for the CIA!!!"?

If so, I've got the proverbial bridge for you in Brooklyn.
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It occurred to me: Why did Rimma Shirakova say that Oswald's Russian was so rudimentary that they communicated in English? Why did Ernst Titovets, his closest friend, say that he spoke Russian poorly? Why did no one at the hospital to which he was taken after his dubious suicide attempt report that he was able to communicate in surprisingly good Russian? Why did his would-be fiance, Ella German, describe his communication in Russian as "functional" but his grammar as "horrific"? Why did none of his many, many coworkers and acquaintances who were interviewed by people like Norman Mailer and Peter Vronsky report that his Russian was surprisingly good? Makes no sense. Oh, wait, it does at the Harvey & Lee site: Harvey (or Lee, as the case may be) carefully disguised that he was absolutely fluent and, indeed, a native Russian speaker! Up is down, black is white, Lee Harvey Oswald was actually a native Russian speaker.

Perhaps you folks have seen this, but I hadn't. It is a translation provided to the ARRB of a series of pieces that appeared in Izvestia, one of the two primary Russian newspapers, in August of 1992. It's quite a straightforward piece of reporting about the Belarusian KGB files on Oswald and the intense, 24-hour-a-day surveillance of him: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10336-10032.pdf. It's surprisingly candid (it seems to me) about the secrecy surrounding the Soviet KGB files and claimed lack of interest in Oswald. The Resident Crazy Person will, of course, claim that it's just a KGB fluff piece, but you can judge that for yourself.

What I found interesting is that the article refers to Oswald's poor Russian language skills in several places. In one, an upstairs neighbor had accidentally left the water running, and it trickled down to Oswald's apartment. He came screaming upstairs to complain, but his Russian skills were so poor that it was difficult to understand him. As time went by, his Russian got "better." This kind of thing is far more telling than anything to which those claiming he had proficiency in Russian can point. A CTer is almost forced to H&L "logic," where his lack of proficiency is actually proof of his fluency.
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Royell, you have a propensity to keep telling us to "stay tuned" because monster revelations are coming from "backstage," but then you reply to a post from Dan O'Meara dated March 13, 2024. Get on with it, willya? Put up or shut up. These long threads become absolutely incomprehensible to anyone but you. Your next post absolutely must begin: "This is it, folks. No more 'stay tuned' promises. No more mysterious 'backstage' shenanigans. This is the Big Revelation."

I hope your latest response to Dan's 2024 post wasn't it, because "roughly" is not a term typically found in argument where one is claiming a physical event is "impossible."

   Officer Haygood made a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the (N) Elm St curb. Officer Harkness made a 12:36 radio transmission that he was bringing eyewitness Amos Euins to the TSBD. Harkness arrived at the TSBD, and then placed Euins inside Inspector Sawyer's car. Harkness then went to secure the Back of the TSBD. (Harkness WC Testimony). This is where we see Harkness on the Darnell still frame.  Obviously, the actions of Officer Harkness are happening AFTER Officer Haygood is already back at his motorcycle on Elm St. Harkness and Haygood are in 2 different locations inside Dealey Plaza during this time frame. These 2 Documented DPD radio transmissions prove we are not seeing Officer Haygood with Officer Harkness on the Darnell Film images. That "No Glove Cop" is not Officer Haygood.
   
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