JFK Assassination Forum

Perhaps because I grew up in Tucson, where Joe Bonanno was feared (for good reason) and respected (in a backhanded sort of way) by everyone including my father and the chief of police, I have too much respect for the Mafia to think Jack Ruby would have been entrusted with anything in relation to the JFKA. It's just facially ridiculous. All the reasons that supposedly make Ruby a suspicious character are precisely why he would NOT have been selected for anything. In the first place, if this had been a Mafia operation, Oswald would not have known anything - ANYTHING - that could possibly have put the Mafia at risk or required him to be whacked. Had the plan been for him to die, he would've died in far less absurd circumstances than in police custody on national TV at the hands of a small-time thug whose background and activities would raise 400 red flags. Can you folks really not see how silly this is? Can we have at least a little respect for the Mafia here, people?

Oh, my goodness. This nonsensical argument again? Obviously, you haven't read David Scheim's Contract on America, John Davis's Mafia Kingfish, and Paul Abbott's Death to Justice: The Shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald, and not even Blakey and Billings' Fatal Hour.

Ruby was exactly the kind of operative the Mafia would use for such a job as silencing Oswald.

I'm guessing you don't know there was a Western Union office in Oak Cliff. Humm, so why did Ruby drive all the way to the Western Union office downtown, the one that "just so happened" to be across the street from the Dallas police building where Oswald was being held, to send the money order? Hey?

Rather than deal with all the evidence that Ruby's shooting of Oswald was a hit, not a spontaneous act of rage and grief, you fall back on the timeworn silliness that the Mafia never would have used "a guy like Ruby" to silence Oswald.

I can never remember exactly the circumstances, but at some hearing involving some Mafioso the following apt exchange took place:

Q:   And what would be your response, sir, if I told you Jack Ruby was working for the Mafia?

A:   I'd say the Mafia needs a new personnel director.

LOL! Well, that seals it! A Mafioso said, "Nah, we would have never hired Jack Ruby for anything, much less a hit," and you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Do you have any idea how many Mafiosos have denied the Mafia even exists?

How about the several Mafia members who later said the Mafia did hire Ruby to silence Oswald? Have you even heard of them?

If Richard Case Nagell was really a CIA agent, the Stasi would not have just turned him free. They would have traded him for somebody.

Even they realized he was bat-shit crazy.

Even the ARRB realized that there was nothing to the Nagell story:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/thomas-samoluk-on-richard-case-nagell

Dear Fred,

Do you believe everything in KGB / Stasi files?

If so, I have a bridge for you in Brooklyn.

-- Tom

PS Have you ever considered the possibility that Nagell WAS an agent for the CIA -- the KGB-controlled CIA?

Why did probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) withhold the Office of Security's files on Nagell and Oswald from the HSCA?

Hmm?

Michael won't read any of my blog posts on Richard Case Nagell.

It is just so incredibly easy to debunk Dick Russell.

For instance, here is his big smoking gun:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/is-this-document-the-smoking-gun-on-the-richard-case-nagell-story

Richard Case Nagell's non-existent evidence:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/richard-case-nagell-s-nonexistent-evidence

And here is a favorite of mine:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-richard-case-nagell-warn-fidel-castro-about-the-assassination


But wait, there's more:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/a-wrap-up-of-the-richard-case-nagell-story


It's time for conspiracy theorists to jettison Richard Case Nagell.

Your white pants lady theory does not provide the amount of light needed to create that effect.


Andrew, I have to disagree with you. The moon is reflected sunlight. So is the light being reflected off of the white clothing. Here’s another image cropped from a Zapruder frame a few frames after the one with Linda Willis pointing towards the TSBD. As we can see, there is enough bright light being reflected off of the clothing to cause an apparent starburst effect (lens flare or refraction or whatever you want to call it).

You appear to be using z174 above for comparison.  However, it is much brighter than your Rorschach image, which is around z166.  I have brightened z166 so you can make out the faint white background to Linda Willis' right side. z174 is much brighter than z166 so even if your theory was possible, it would not explain why the right arm would not cover that faint white area behind it if the arm actually extended out from the body:

No way. I might be able to guess the names of one or two CIA officers from among the guys I worked with, but not six. (Obviously, this does not include the one or two guys who I later learned were CIA.)

As I think about it, I can only remember one instance where I later learned that someone who worked in my department was CIA, and that was at an NSA site in the 1990s.

For the full story on Richard Case Nagell, I recommend the second edition of Dick Russell's book The Man Who Knew Too Much.

Barring some future self-evident and undeniable disclosure on Nagell, WC apologists are never going to admit that Nagell was a high-level intel operative, much less that his story about Oswald and foreknowledge of the assassination is credible. They're just never gonna do it. They'll nit-pick and offer one lame excuse after another to reject Nagell and his account.

Here's a helpful article about Nagell:

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKnagell.htm

Here are three podcasts about Nagell:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-183-richard-case-nagell-part-1/id1551161613?i=1000626006851

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-184-richard-case-nagell-part-2/id1551161613?i=1000626714968

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-185-richard-case-nagell-part-3-bonus-episode-1/id1551161613?i=1000627085094

Here are two of Richard Russell's presentations on Nagell: