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Oswald's views about Cuba after returning from Mexico City. From "Marina and Lee."

"Marina stood in the bedroom and stared at the prodigal who had come home [from Mexico City] to her. He kissed her and asked if she had missed him? Then he started right in: “Ah, they’re such terrible bureaucrats that nothing came of it after all.” He described his shuttling from embassy to embassy, how each one told him he had to wait and wait, and see what the other one did, and how the whole time he had been worried about running out of money. He was especially vociferous about the Cubans—“the same kind of bureaucrats as in Russia. No point going there.” Marina was so delighted that she could scarcely believe her ears. Indeed, Lee’s disenchantment with Castro and Cuba was complete. He never again talked about “Uncle Fidel,” nor sang the song “Viva Fidel,” as he used to do, nor used the alias “Hidell.” --- "Marina and Lee", pg. 650.

"Lee's disenchantment with Castro and Cuba was complete."

Doesn't sound like a man who would kill JFK in revenge for the war on "the Revolution." Or who would be motivated by Cuban agents to do so.

On the other hand (there's always three of four or six or seven of these in the assassination), it's hard to believe someone would reject Castro because some bureaucrats in a consulate acted rudely. How is Castro to blame?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 06:43:19 PM »
I suppose you could make a dumber statement, but it is hard to imagine how.

Present a single piece of credible evidence that places Oswald in the SN at 12:30pm.
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The is zero credible evidence that Oswald was in the SN at 12:30. Zero.

I suppose you could make a dumber statement, but it is hard to imagine how.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 06:36:48 PM »
Can you explain how anyone could know that or why it is even important to know that? Of course you can't. There is ample evidence  that Oswald was in the sniper's nest at 12:30 firing the shots that killed JFK. The fact you think it is important to know where Oswald was in the minutes leading up to the assassination reveals just how dumb you rare.

The is zero credible evidence that Oswald was in the SN at 12:30. Zero.
You are so dumb you don't know the difference between a fact and a theory.
Talking about your dumbness...let me spoon feed to you exactly what is going on in this thread.
I am demonstrating a specific pattern of evidential fabrication, manipulation and omission by the Warren Commission, designed to create a false narrative that placed Oswald all alone on the 6th floor after everyone else went down to lunch.
The fact you don't think it's important that the Sham would do such a thing just shows what a rabid Nutter you are.

On top of the testimonies of Williams, Givens, Lovelady, Arce and Piper the Sham had to 'ignore', was the testimony of Arnold Rowland who observed a man with a scoped, high-powered rifle on the 6th floor. This testimony should have been the centrepiece of the Sham's narrative regarding Oswald's movements leading up to the assassination. Instead it was quietly dropped in a most devious fashion but not because of the man with the rifle. The problem with Arnold's testimony was the black male he reported seeing in the SN window who disappeared a few minutes before the motorcade arrived in Dealey Plaza. It was also notable what Rowland didn't see. His gaze constantly returned to the 6th floor as he scanned the windows looking for the man with the rifle and what he didn't see was BRW sat at the third set of windows along. Instead he saw a black man in the SN window.

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Nobody could have a rational debate with someone as stupid as you. You think the most trivial things are important while ignoring the compelling evidence that Oswald was the assassin. That is not an assumption. An assumption is a belief made in lieu of evidence, such as all theories that anyone except Oswald took part in the crime. The fact that you obsess over trivialities such as a supposed elevator race prior to the assassination reveals just how clueless you are. You focus on all the dumb stuff while ignoring what is important. Sorry, just being honest.

I didn't expect for a second that you would actually engage in any kind of rational debate.
That would require far more knowledge about the evidence than you possess, not to mention a bit of backbone.
All you've done is misrepresent and insult. You have offered nothing and will continue to do so.
You really should run along.
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It might be helpful to quote Latell's theory in his book (summarized below). He admits there's no hard, direct evidence for any of it - or none that has been found; and that it was "probably" beyond Cuba's ability to organize a deniable assassination; and that it was Oswald's rifle and plan and no one else's. It's all, he says, plausible. His problem is the same as the one for the "CIA killed JFK" crowd: connecting November 22, 1963 to Havana or Langley or the Pentagon or Tel Aviv or La La Land or god only knows what the hell they think.

Despite all of this he proposes a theory anyway. Cuban agents (including Castro?) knew Oswald would shoot JFK; that's why they were directed to listen to reports from Dallas. But they didn't direct him or order him to do so. He did it all on his own. It's Gus Russo "light."


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Yesterday at 05:51:50 PM »
You still don't get it and you never will. Witness estimates regarding time frames don't establish anything because they are nothing more than guesses.

As usual, the moment you try to engage with this subject you end up looking buffoonish. Your lack of knowledge regarding the basics of this case is ridiculous.
Norman states that he and Junior Jarman decided to go up to the 5th floor after hearing that the motorcade was on Main Street:

MR. NORMAN. Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce- we went beck in the building, James Jarman and I.

The motorcade joins Main Street at Harwood Street and it is a matter of a few minutes before the motorcade reaches Dealey Plaza. When we look at the transcripts of the police radio transmissions we find that the earliest mention of Main Street is around 12:22pm.
This is not a guess.
Norman timestamps their decision to go up to the 5th floor with his reference to the motorcade being on Main Street.

You are so pitifully stupid that you think every word of testimony the WC heard over the course of the investigation should have been included in the report

It would be kind to call this statement 'moronic'.
'Devious' would be a better description.
The point I'm making, as I'm sure you are aware, is that your precious Warren Commission Sham left specifically left out any testimony or statement that ,contradicted the false narrative they created with the insertion of Givens' false account of going back up to the 6th floor and seeing Oswald. This is beyond dispute which is why you have to resort to such crass misrepresentations. You are incapable of providing any kind of rational excuse for the WC's actions. You have to resort to lies and misrepresentations instead. It's really weak-minded.

What the hell difference does it make what time BRW joined Norman and Jarman

You really do need to be spoon fed, don't you?
If BRW didn't go down to the 5th floor until 12:25pm or later, it leaves no time for Oswald to assemble the rifle in the SN as your precious WC Sham would like everyone to believe.
The problem the Sham faced was that there is no time for Oswald to assemble the rifle before BRW was on the 6th floor and not time for him to assemble the rifle after BRW has left the 6th floor. They had to create a false narrative to give Oswald time to do this before BRW was in position.
So they invented the nonsense about Givens going back up to the 6th floor and seeing Oswald near the southeast corner. The importance of this lie was having Oswald refusing to go down to the first floor. This gave him time to prepare the SN and assemble his rifle.
But the testimony and statements of Williams, Givens, Lovelady, Arce and Piper told a very different story - Oswald was looking to get down to the first floor but Givens refused to stop and let him on the elevator. So Oswald called down to them to send the elevator back up to him so he could come down. Whether he got the elevator or not is unknown but what we do know is that he did indeed get down to the first floor, as his interaction with Piper proved.
In reality, Oswald was down on the first floor around 12:00 noon, approximately the same time BRW was arriving at the 6th floor where he would stay until at least 12:25pm.

This whole train of thought is predicated on the assumption the rifle was disassembled in the first place and/or LHO had no opportunity to assemble the rifle on a different floor between the hours of 8:00 to 12:30.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 05:08:36 PM »
You still don't get it and you never will. Witness estimates regarding time frames don't establish anything because they are nothing more than guesses. You are so pitifully stupid that you think every word of testimony the WC heard over the course of the investigation should have been included in the report whether it had any relevance or not in establishing who killed JFK. What the hell difference does it make what time BRW joined Norman and Jarman. The only thing that mattered was that all three were directly below Oswald as he was firing the shots that killed JFK. That provided further evidence that the 6th floor sniper's nest was the location of the assassin.

The testimony of all the witnesses was made available the 26 volumes for those who wanted to take a deeper dive, but it wasn't necessary to put verbatim testimony in the report to explain how the WC arrived at their conclusions.

You still don't get it and you never will. Witness estimates regarding time frames don't establish anything because they are nothing more than guesses.

As usual, the moment you try to engage with this subject you end up looking buffoonish. Your lack of knowledge regarding the basics of this case is ridiculous.
Norman states that he and Junior Jarman decided to go up to the 5th floor after hearing that the motorcade was on Main Street:

MR. NORMAN. Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce- we went beck in the building, James Jarman and I.

The motorcade joins Main Street at Harwood Street and it is a matter of a few minutes before the motorcade reaches Dealey Plaza. When we look at the transcripts of the police radio transmissions we find that the earliest mention of Main Street is around 12:22pm.
This is not a guess.
Norman timestamps their decision to go up to the 5th floor with his reference to the motorcade being on Main Street.

You are so pitifully stupid that you think every word of testimony the WC heard over the course of the investigation should have been included in the report

It would be kind to call this statement 'moronic'.
'Devious' would be a better description.
The point I'm making, as I'm sure you are aware, is that your precious Warren Commission Sham left specifically left out any testimony or statement that ,contradicted the false narrative they created with the insertion of Givens' false account of going back up to the 6th floor and seeing Oswald. This is beyond dispute which is why you have to resort to such crass misrepresentations. You are incapable of providing any kind of rational excuse for the WC's actions. You have to resort to lies and misrepresentations instead. It's really weak-minded.

What the hell difference does it make what time BRW joined Norman and Jarman

You really do need to be spoon fed, don't you?
If BRW didn't go down to the 5th floor until 12:25pm or later, it leaves no time for Oswald to assemble the rifle in the SN as your precious WC Sham would like everyone to believe.
The problem the Sham faced was that there is no time for Oswald to assemble the rifle before BRW was on the 6th floor and not time for him to assemble the rifle after BRW has left the 6th floor. They had to create a false narrative to give Oswald time to do this before BRW was in position.
So they invented the nonsense about Givens going back up to the 6th floor and seeing Oswald near the southeast corner. The importance of this lie was having Oswald refusing to go down to the first floor. This gave him time to prepare the SN and assemble his rifle.
But the testimony and statements of Williams, Givens, Lovelady, Arce and Piper told a very different story - Oswald was looking to get down to the first floor but Givens refused to stop and let him on the elevator. So Oswald called down to them to send the elevator back up to him so he could come down. Whether he got the elevator or not is unknown but what we do know is that he did indeed get down to the first floor, as his interaction with Piper proved.
In reality, Oswald was down on the first floor around 12:00 noon, approximately the same time BRW was arriving at the 6th floor where he would stay until at least 12:25pm.
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  The high def Bell Film clearly shows that Wiegman is Not "sprawled" across the steps. This JFK Assassination Urban Legend has been repeated ad nauseam for 62+ years. "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend". That is what continues going on regarding the JFK Assassination. This also goes for the SBT which science has proven to be "impossible".
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I totally agree with you, Albert.  And furthermore, that reopenkennedycase place never did you no favours, either.  And furtherevenMORE, that deep politics forum
writing about ‘The Albert Doyle Operation’ (it’s right on top of the search engine! even above ‘Sherlock Holmes’ aka Conan Doyle-lol) really sunk pretty low, with Drago, Burnham & Co. leading the charge. I mean, the nerve of some people.


ROKC still exists under the new "Jacks" website...Tony Chrome runs it..."Jacks" is on a private setting and does not reach the public...The reason the ex-Greg Parker gang hides on Jacks is because they know their content is rubbish and they don't want to answer for it by showing it to the public...I was allowed to post there for several years...I was banned a few months ago when Kamp posted a demand that I be removed and Chrome dutifully obeyed it as Kamp's docile servant...Kamp barks orders and Chrome goes on his knees and does Kamp's bidding...The reason Kamp demanded my banning is because they thought the Luna Committee was close to obtaining the original films and they didn't want me present on the board to take credit...Greg Parker retired his ROKC website because he's fully aware he's a crazy evidence hacker and troll...He was never serious and therefore he quit...Banning is how those cowards operate...Kamp has no problem with his membership on The Education Forum...

Peter Lemkin sent me a Private Message saying no more posting about The Education Forum or I would be banned...This is the same Lemkin who erased The Deep Politics Forum rules that protected members...Those rules were written precisely to keep Lemkin and the DPF moderators from abusing members with their moderator power...Lemkin oversaw their removal and there are no more member- protecting rules...So Lemkin is no different than Donald Trump...Lemkin never apologized to me or admitted I was right on Prayer Man...I think Magda is the only reason I am allowed to post there but she has an annoying habit of not being present in matters like the above...Lemkin now moderates because he has a moderator avatar and what he says goes simply because he says so...I think they are delusional that they haven't destroyed the Deep Politics Forum because of that and even DiEugenio prefers The Education Forum and doesn't post there...It used to be a moderation issue if you posted over on the EF but now Lemkin has knuckled under and conceded to the EF and fraternizers who prefer to post there instead of the EF...Lemkin prefers to bash a scapegoat while not answering to any rules instead...Or answering to the actual issues upon which that persecution was based...These people would rather destroy an entire website than admit they were wrong on Prayer Man...The Deep Politics Website was formed in opposition to The Education Forum...Lemkin has now reversed that with no accountability while attacking the guy who did what DPF was designed to do from its inception...

   
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The plaid bars and Lovelady's visible bald spot are not doctored...Neither is Shelley's Duck's Bahookie hair doo, black jacket, and white shirt collar...This is why the corruption on The Education Forum is so wickedly evil...Because it poisons and harms the phony academic standard that website pretends to uphold...Mark Knight is like a dirty small town sheriff who always does the job he's expected to do with his rulings and avoids recognizing the dishonest corruption of the people he's ruling in favor of...The membership pretends to avoid it as well...Simkin then puts on that phony Oxford/Cambridge above it all intellectual act and skates past the issue that he is fully responsible for as if he doesn't notice...The current Couch/Darnell film is good enough for any credible researcher to realize the pair fast-walking up the extension are already long proven to be Shelley and Lovelady and that anyone doubting it is basically trolling and marring good progress of research...The Education Forum refuses to answer for the correct evidence on Prayer Man that proves Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...This one thing alone discredits all the self-platitudes they assign themselves as far as credibility...

The Education Forum gets away with the murder of switching the issue from the rotten dishonesty of Sandy Larsen and his deletion of evidence that disproved himself to a witch-hunt against the researcher who single-handedly out-argued the board on its favorite pet theory...The dishonest scoundrel who pushed that theory (Bart Kamp) is now safely a member while he still hasn't admitted the obvious evidence that refuted him...Mark Knight has been allowed to disappear the entire issue by means of bullying and vindictive moderation disguised as high-minded academic moderation and ban the person with the correct evidence for life on trumped-up BS designed to protect the wrong-doers...Knight is not made to answer for how his wrongful moderation has prevented exposure of the most important evidence discovery of our generation nor is that very important discovery ever shown on the forum...Jim DiEugenio is shilled and pampered by a membership that honors his taking a theory that he already admitted to me was false and bringing it to Congress...This dubious process endangers the credibility of JFK Assassination research - but that doesn't bother Jim D because he is an entity that always manages to get bailed out by his own wordsmithing and the corrupt sycophants who always endorse it...This is all capped-off by the ultimate insult to injury of Andrew Iler having total power and pretending he has addressed all this with a dignified set of rules, when all he is is just another Jim DiEugenio butt-******...There has to be someone on The Education Forum who remembers Larsen's photo analysis of Lovelady's plaid bars...The main thrust of that forum is not good research...It is organized dishonesty and may they be damned for it...

    You have just been confronted with being a Liar. And what do you do? YOU refuse to take the stand.  "GUILTY" as charged.
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