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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:23:44 AM »
If, as is suggested by the conscious head movements between Z-140 and Z-150 of everyone inside the limo except Greer, Oswald's first, missing-everything shot was at "Z-124" (half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133), and if he was standing during said shot (as is suggested by the Robert Hughes film), the muzzle of his short-rifle would have been inside the building when he fired it.

If that was the case, it would explain why several witnesses said the first shot sounded muffled compared to the second and the third.

I count 3 "ifs" in that scenario.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:19:18 AM »
If the sound they heard was the impact of the bullet on the skull, they would not have heard that on the earlier shots. If the sound was the shock wave of the bullet, each bullet had a different trajectory so it is plausible that they could have only heard a distinct double sound for the third shot based on where they were standing. Another plausible explanation is that they heard a double sound for the earlier shots and simply did not remember it. I lean toward the third explanation. Witnesses just aren't very good at perfectly remembering every detail of the things they saw and heard. Out brains are not equipped with DVRs. We tend to remember bits and pieces of events, not the entire event.

The following article explains the auditory issues much better than I can:

https://biologyinsights.com/gunshot-audio-muzzle-blast-shock-waves-and-health-impact/

If, as is suggested by the conscious head movements between Z-140 and Z-150 of everyone inside the limo except Greer, Oswald's first, missing-everything shot was at "Z-124" (half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133), and if he was standing during said shot (as is suggested by the Robert Hughes film), the muzzle of his short-rifle would have been inside the building when he fired it.

If that was the case, it would explain why several witnesses said the first shot sounded muffled compared to the second and the third.
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BD-

I am concerned that foreign-funded influencers are active in the JFKA space, especially those with Substacks. 

James DiEugenio excitedly wrote about how he was getting more readers and subscribers after he went on an extended Israel-bashing jag on his Substack. His comments section reeked to the moon, but DiEugenio was getting money and recognition.

We saw Morley go on Tucker Carlson and dogwhistle "Mossad waxed JFK."

At least William Niedernut, the anti-Semitic crackpot, is no longer "moderating" the EF-JFKA.

I am sorry you are not optimistic on the EF-JFKA. Maybe you are justified in your reservations.

Ideologues or stooges are nothing new in the JFKA space. 



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Dear DangerMan Tom:

Why are  you still stuck in the 60’s USA spy vs USSR spy world? Do you really believe that Kruschev would risk assassinating a US President who had just made concessions to the USSR to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis?A US president who had publicly stated he wanted cooperation with the USSR to explore outer space. A US President that Kruschev said was the best US President they had ever dealt with?

In response to the question Does it really matter who killed JFK, the answer is: YES IT DOES. Because if the Marxist Leftist Kook Oswald did it then we should beware of all the other potential Marxist Leftist Kooks out there who might have a similar obsession with the current US President.

Or, if it was a conspiracy, then why did JFK have to be terminated and who profited and did their organization continue to exist or have they all died.

A 1954 true defector, KGB Major Pyotr Deriabin, listed several reasons why Khruschev would have wanted to kill JFK. You can read about them in Mark Riebling's 1994 book, Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and the CIA. He also said that Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him.

Some experts think that GRU Lt. Col. Oleg Penkovsky, whom we know due to the "Zepp Incident" was betrayed by a mole in American or British intelligence within two weeks of his April 1961 recruitment by the CIA and MI6, was secretly arrested by the KGB and told to give JFK intel about the missiles in Cuba so that he would withdraw our Jupiter missiles from Italy and Turkey and abandon The Monroe Doctrine.

Why in the world would a Marxist want to kill The Traitorous Orange Turd who's doing such a good job of tearing us apart?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:56:39 AM »
I don’t think echos or reverberation effect following the initial muzzle blast is the answer to this “back to back” perception of a significant majority of witnesses hearing the spacing of the last 2 shots.

If this phenomenon is happening then should not there be that effect for each of the 3 shots resulting in witnesses thinking they heard 6 shots and the spacing would be 1.(2)…..3.(4)..5.(6)?

If the sound they heard was the impact of the bullet on the skull, they would not have heard that on the earlier shots. If the sound was the shock wave of the bullet, each bullet had a different trajectory so it is plausible that they could have only heard a distinct double sound for the third shot based on where they were standing. Another plausible explanation is that they heard a double sound for the earlier shots and simply did not remember it. I lean toward the third explanation. Witnesses just aren't very good at perfectly remembering every detail of the things they saw and heard. Out brains are not equipped with DVRs. We tend to remember bits and pieces of events, not the entire event.

The following article explains the auditory issues much better than I can:

https://biologyinsights.com/gunshot-audio-muzzle-blast-shock-waves-and-health-impact/
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Perhaps someone with access to more resources can determine if a trail of particles lines up...
If a sniper had a choice, however, this is likely the preferred location...


The bridge over the underpass was probably the dumbest place to shoot JFK from. Even dumber than the GK. Not only would he have been out in the open among numerous bystanders, he would have had to shoot through the windshield and had two intervening bodies between him and his target. When people dream this kind of nonsense up, do they ever give any serious thought to their theories? This question almost answers itself.
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Or, if it was a conspiracy, then why did JFK have to be terminated and who profited and did their organization continue  to exist or have they all died.

From my perspective, the only one responsible for the assassination died a little more than 24 hours after JFK was killed. No one else will ever be identified as complicit in the assassination.

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I’d say the only way a shooter here would not be detected is if he used a short barrel suppressed rifle firing subsonic hollowpoint bullet and it was just one shot, the Z313 shot. The hollow point round caused the reverse explosion forwards and initial sight downward tilt of JFKs head at Z212 . The hollow point left a trail of smaller particles on the skull. Not for certain if that trail of smaller particles particles seem in the skull X ray line up with this bridge location.


Perhaps someone with access to more resources can determine if a trail of particles lines up...
If a sniper had a choice, however, this is likely the preferred location...
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They didn't fire any shots that day, but the Secret Service killed him through incompetence.

"After the shooting, one of the secret service men sitting down in the car in front of us pulled out an automatic rifle or weapon and looked backward. However, all of the secret service men seemed to me to respond very slowly, with no more than a puzzled look. In fact, until the automatic weapon was uncovered, I had been lulled into a sense of false hope for the President's safety, by the lack of motion, excitement, or apparent visible knowledge by the secret service men, that anything so dreadful was happening. Knowing something of the training that combat infantrymen and Marines receive, I am amazed at the lack of instantaneous response by the Secret Service, when the rifle fire began. I make this statement in this paragraph reluctantly, not to add to the anguish of anyone, but it is my firm opinion, and I write it out in the hope that it might be of service in the better protection of our Presidents in the future" Ralph W. Yarborough

Some not, not all of the Secret Service agents apparently either didn't hear or did not recognize the first shot for what it was. They believe that JFK was hit by the first shot. It has always been puzzling to me why they didn't respond to the first shot but seems to be the case. Altgens 6 shows some of the agents turning to the rear in response to the second shot which is the first one to strike JFK. Clint Hill only remembers hearing two shots and he reacted when he saw JFK had been hit. The next shot he heard was the head shot as he was racing to the limo. I heard him say that he had been told there was an intervening shot that was fired while he was trying to get to the limo but he has no memory that, with good reason. There was no intervening shot. The shot he didn't hear was the first one. The only occupant of the limo who recognized the first shot for as a gun shot was JBC. He knew instantly what it was and according to his account, he immediately thought it was an assassination attempt.

So why did the others as well as some spectators not recognize the first shot. Some said they thought at first it was a firecracker. Others thought it was a motorcycle backfire. We are left to guess as to why others didn't either not hear or recognize the first shot? My own guess is that the motorcycles accelerating coming out of the sharp turn onto Elm St. created such a roar that it muffled the sound of the gunshot. I have no way of proving that. Just an educated guess.

The agents who believed JFK was hit by the first shot are giving themselves the benefit of the doubt because that gave them less than 5 seconds to react between the first shot and the fatal head shot. Those of us who believe the first shot was the missed shot believe there was actually more than 8 seconds between the first and last shot, varying that time frame based on when we believe that first shot was fired. My own belief is there were almost 9 seconds between the first and third shots. Had any of the agents on the running board reacted to that first shot, they might have reached JFK in time to keep him from being hit by the fatal headshot. Bill Greer was in the best position to prevent the assassination as the driver of the car but I read recently he was only supposed to do that on orders from Roy Kellerman. Had Greer immediately sped away, it's doubtful Oswald could have hit JFK with his follow up shots. Unfortunately, all the agents had to make split second decisions and it is easy to second guess them, but not knowing what they actually saw and heard, I'm not ready to say whether they should have acted more quickly than they did. 
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Dear DangerMan Tom:

Why are  you still stuck in the 60’s USA spy vs USSR spy world? Do you really believe that Kruschev would risk assassinating a US President who had just made concessions to the USSR to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis?A US president who had publicly stated he wanted cooperation with the USSR to explore outer space. A US President that Kruschev said was the best US President they had ever dealt with?

In response to the question Does it really matter who killed JFK, the answer is: YES IT DOES. Because if the Marxist Leftist Kook  Oswald did it then we should beware of all the other potential Marxist Leftist Kooks out there whom might have a similar obsession with the current US President.

Or, if it was a conspiracy, then why did JFK have to be terminated and who profited and did their organization continue  to exist or have they all died.
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