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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 07:09:04 PM »


I would have been glad to escort Wanda Daniel to the Luna Hearing and have her tell of her grand mother Sarah Stanton meeting Oswald on the staircase landing outside of the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and hearing Oswald say he wasn't going down to the Front Steps to watch the motorcade but was going back in to the "Break Room" (2nd Floor Lunch Room) to eat his lunch instead...
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January 7 rioter Ashli Babbit was shot in the front of the neck by a Capitol Building guard...She fell back in to the hallway on her back and, if you look closely at the footage, her arms and hands were raised towards her throat in the Thorburn Position EXACTLY the same way as Kennedy...

Babbit was shot from the front...
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DiEugenio responded to MTG and pretty much put him to bed...There are many authors and message board experts who have been trying to revise Kennedy's withdrawal policy...They keep trying and DiEugenio keeps destroying them...It is pretty clear that JFk intended to withdraw and it was part of the reason he was assassinated...

DiEugenio:


"An interesting aspect of what LBJ did is this.

As John Newman revealed, Johnson was getting the real intel estimates, not the phony ones, from Howard Burris.

When Kennedy was killed, he called in McNamara and he said--since he knew the facts--what are we doing leaving a war we are losing?

Up until that time, McNamara had been faithfully executing Kennedy's plan to withdraw.  This began his transformation.  Which he underwent with great emotional stress. 

LBJ now formed a secret committee inside the government to  alter policy in VIetnam, working closely with the Pentagon. At first it was headed by William Sullivan, the guy who tried to rip out the withdrawal program from the Taylor/McNamara report, and Kennedy made him put it back in.

That committee, later helmed by Bill Bundy, went ahead and worked on an escalation plan for literally months on end.  They even planned on a casus belli event in order to create a crisis atmosphere.  Which, of course, ended up being the Gulf of Tonkin incident.  So now, as planned, Johnson used that dubious episode to get what was really a declaration of war against Hanoi. The heavy duty planning was cued around NSAM 288, which mapped out an air war against the north, with I think, scores of targets.  That list was used as retaliation for Tonkin.

The whole keystone was the election of 1964. Which LBJ won in a landslide.  And that gave him the imprimatur to, shortly after, land the first combat troops at DaNang. An event which he had filmed.

So LBJ did three things that Kennedy never did and never would have done. He brought the Pentagon into planning for the war, he used a provocation to get a war declaration, he then landed combat troops in South Vietnam.

And it got tagged as McNamara's War.  Because Johnson always insisted he was continuing Kennedy's policy in Vietnam.  Which he knew--and McNamara knew-- was an utterly false statement."




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So?
It's called telling it like it is.
Few of them know even a modicum of the evidence in the case. The ones that do and still think Oswald wasn't the assassin are just silly people.
So?
There are lots of highly educated people across the political spectrum who are very gullible.
A warped mind isn't necessary to believe nonsense. A lot of very smart people believe some really stupid things. Neil deGrasse Tyson refuses to admit thar men are athletically superior to woman.
Michael Griffith thinks that because 2/3s of people believe in something that means what they believe is true. Or is somehow in some way relevant to what actually happened, to our understanding of what occurred. Do they know anything about the event? It doesn't matter; their view on what took place is somehow relevant regardless of whether they know a single thing about that event. That doesn't make a lick of sense except in conspiracy world.

Even worse, he thinks this non-existent poll of Western opinion seemingly means he gets a blank check for whatever conspiracy fantasy pops into his head. As in: he says Babushka Lady was June Cobb who, he says, was a CIA agent. And that it's "possible" she shot JFK with a gun camera. That's absurd but 2/3s of the people believe there was a conspiracy so, using Griffith's thinking, we need to seriously consider it. After all, you're ignoring what many people think.

Side bar: After ~60 years of this, after all of these investigations, I would have thought that the influence of JFK conspiracy propaganda would have gone away, that reason eventually would emerge. Boy, that was a dumb thought.

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No, the 45 degree angle bullet track through JBC is a fact. Dr Shaw never refuted it. He never mentioned it. Dr Shaw was part of the WC testimonies not the HSCA Panel. How could he refute any of their findings?

The description of the wounds and the medical analysis by the doctors are facts. Everything else is your pretend make-believe nonsense. Your made-up hypothetical crap does not mean anything to anybody. Is this Single Bullet Theory the lynchpin of your whole ridiculous conspiracy theory? Is that why you pretend
these opinions of yours have some kind of merit, and they are just unfounded opinions.

In looking over his right shoulder, JBC would naturally lean back a little and that would increase the downward angle of the bullet through his body. I would bet that Shaw's description was just an estimate. What are the chances it would actually be 45 degrees.
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   Sure Mark...As if you didn't have to answer how Ruby waltzed right in to the middle of the Press Conference posing as an assistant to Israeli newspapers...The Dallas cops knew who he was...The Dallas cops knew Oswald was CIA...

Ruby was instrumental to what was probably a failed plan to kill Oswald at the Texas Theater...They had already killed Tippit...A couple of sweating phone calls and offers Ruby couldn't refuse and he was right at the Police Station making sure Oswald maintained character...

Then comes a set-up in the Police Station basement Sunday morning...

Somebody should tell Schnapf that Ruby's association with the conspiracy would be a better source for his knowledge of Fair Play than any announcements by DRE...

You are certifiable.
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‘On Trial’ is still on youtube and is worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.

I watched it when if first played on American TV, hosted by Geraldo Rivera. It played over several nights if I remember right and I'm not sure I caught all of it, but what I saw was very good. I'll check out the YouTube video.
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Completely missed this one……… wow.  Robert Turnbull Crowley? Really, Tom? dang, how one name can stick out, but this is a true zombie thread that has reared its head. It is hard to defend Oswald, if you know the facts.

My favorite story about zombie threads has to do with one that was on Google Groups. I had stumbled across this particular group and I can't even remember what the subject was but something caught my eye that I felt compelled to respond to. I know members of this forum will find that hard to believe. Anyway, I composed an in depth point-by-point reply, brimming with indisputable logic. I spent 20-30 minutes on my masterful bit of prose. I was quite proud of it. After hitting the POST button, I started looking through other threads on the group and discovered they were all at least seven years old. I had made the first post to that group in seven years. It was a cyberspace ghost town. Google Groups no longer exists so that masterful piece of writing by me is lost to the ages. 
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‘On Trial’ is still on youtube and is worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.
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