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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 02:43:51 AM »
You're right.

NKVD/KGB/SVR/FSB/GRU "Illegals" are ephemeral.

(LOL!)

Clay Shaw was a volunteer Domestic Contacts source from 1948 to 1956.

Since workers are, by definition, paid for what they do for a company (pardon the pun), Shaw didn't "work" for the evil, evil, evil CIA.

He was a patriotic unpaid volunteer.,


As to whether or not Shaw was a witting or unwitting unpaid "asset" of the evil, evil CIA in 1963, who knows?

Is he one of your favorite "perps"?

Coincidentally speaking, I am sure.... David Baldwin was kicked out of India as a CIA officer and Shaw snapped him up in the role of the Trade Mart's first PR flack.

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https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
…….
REX: I – I think –
JOAN: – when (Attorney Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….

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In the course of attempting to determine if my new fact checked research details were actually original, I found identical details, by author of a biography of Clay Shaw, Donald H Carpenter.



https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq="joan+mellen"...


Fred ignored the fact that Nicholas Lemann was Thomas's son Steohen's nephew, and David Baldwin's mother-in-law (Thomas &  Stephen's step-mom since 1947)  was Nicholas's step-grandmother, the only fraternal grandmother Nicholas knew. :

Whoops!

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GQ Magazine - "The Case Against Jim Garrison"
Writer: Fred Litwin
Fred Litwin
Oct 5, 2023
19 min read

Updated: Feb 2

The January 1992 issue of GQ featured an article by Nicholas Lemann titled "The Case Against Jim Garrison."
GQ Magazine - "The Case Against Jim Garrison"
Writer: Fred Litwin
Fred Litwin
Oct 5, 2023
19 min read

Updated: Feb 2The January 1992 issue of GQ featured an article by Nicholas Lemann titled "The Case Against Jim Garrison."
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 02:33:35 AM »
Point being?
I was responding to your question: "at what point do you think Rosemary Willis started looking back towards the TSBD instead of at the limo"? by identifying the point at which she started looking back towards the TSBD instead of at the limo.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:29:44 AM »
Do you have a conspiracy theory that DeMohrenschildt was an active KGB asset in 1963? What Petty established is that DeMohrenschildt could [sic] have been an Iron Curtain asset in the immediate postwar period ... but by the 1960s?

You're right.

NKVD/KGB/GRU/SVR/FSB "Illegals" are will-o'-the-wisp / ephemeral.

Except for people like Rudolf Abel, Jack Barsky, Elena Vavilova, Andrey Bezrukov, Gunter Guillaume, Kolon Molody, and Anna Chapman and the Eleven (or was it twelve?) Dwarfs.

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Was Clay Shaw a CIA asset in 1963 because he worked for the CIA in the 1950s?

Clay Shaw was a volunteer Domestic Contacts source from 1948 to 1956.

Since workers are, by definition, paid for what they do for a company (pardon the pun), Shaw didn't "work" for the CIA -- he was a patriotic unpaid volunteer.

As to whether or not Shaw was a witting or unwitting unpaid "asset" of the evil, evil CIA in 1963, who knows?

Why?

Is he one of your favorite "perps"?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 02:05:21 AM »
BFD.

Pardon my German.

Except everything, and then some, that Billy Joe Lord wrote in his letter to Carter, checks out.
No one with no internet excess could learn all of this shit!

Look at Lord's boss's obit
, a year later. Lord would have had to have "God's eyes" to deliver all of this acurately, but he did it. The book project was
financed by the CIA's friend at Reader's Digest.

Later, Melvin Laird is hired as an RD executive, with no relevant experience.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/lohud/name/fulton-oursler-obituary?id=20767221
Fulton Oursler - 2016
"....He joined Reader's Digest in 1956. In 1964, he completed his father's unfinished auto-biography Behold This Dreamer. He retired from his position as executive editor in chief and vice president at Reader's Digest in 1986.,,,"

Oursler's mother was close to FBI's Nichols,

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241655500_Friends_of_the_Bureau_Personal_Correspondence_and_the_Cultivation_of_Journalist-Adjuncts_by_J_Edgar_Hoover's_FBI
https://www.researchgate.net › publication › 24165550...
Journalists like The American Magazine's Courtney Ryley Cooper, Fulton Oursler of Reader's Digest ... Nichols to Director, FBI, September 29, 1950, FBI file.


Wim and his boys dug iinto this but theu couldn't deliver,:



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barron_(American_journalist)
.....In 1965, Barron joined the Washington bureau of Reader's Digest. There he wrote more than 100 stories on a wide variety of subjects—notably a 1980 story concerning unanswered questions surrounding the drowning death of Mary Jo Kopechne at Chappaquiddick in a car driven by Ted Kennedy.

After Barron published his 1974 book KGB: The Secret Work of Soviet Secret Agents, the KGB attempted to discredit him by faking claims that Barron was part of a Zionist conspiracy as well as "...made much of his Jewish origins...".[2] In 1996, Barron published a book detailing the saga of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Operation SOLO, involving the infiltration of the top leadership of the Communist Party USA by the FBI's secret informant Morris Childs. From 1958 through 1977, Childs traveled to Moscow over 50 times, acting as a courier between the CPUSA and Communist Party of the Soviet Union.[3] Childs was instrumental in helping with the transfer of over $28 million from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to the Communist Party of the US to help fund its activities, with each transaction painstakingly reported by Childs to his FBI handlers.[4]

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https://findingaids.library.georgetown.edu/repositories/15/resources/10058/search

Collection: Fulton Oursler, Jr. Papers | Georgetown University Archival ...
The John F. Kennedy Assassination and Espionage Series contins memos, reports, correspondence and printed materials relating to the publication of articles and books by Henry Hurt, Edward J. Epstein, and others on the assassination of John F. Kennedy and Cold War spies. Oursler was the editor of two works by Henry Hurt: 'Shadrin, The Spy Who Never Came Back' and 'Reasonable Doubt', the latter .
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 01:53:28 AM »
Why the hell would I?
ship

Because the "arrangement" below is queer, and an open minded person would be curious.
Oswald's shipmate from 18 years before is "shaken down" by Epstein and Hurt, advised by GHW Bush's lifelong friend, Bemiss,
They summered together in Kennebunkport, ME. GHW Bush is three months out of his job as DCI, the FBI claimed it could not find Bemiss!.


A perfect example of a CT focusing on trivialities instead of the evidence that tells us who shot JFK.

....Posts the opinion of a "reader" who does not even read the rest of the words posted in the two links I included in my post.

Three amigos from Rochester, Devine, Dryer, Macomber.

Macomber just happened to be the best man in Bush's sister's 1946 wedding to Alexander Ellis, and in Tom Devine's early 1970s wedding on Jupiter Island,



Devine and Dryer hold separate meetings with DeMohrenschildt and a Haitian banker on same day in late April, 1963,
just three weeks after DeMohrenschildt wrote that he had asked, "Lee, how did you miss?"

Bemis is described by Billy Joe Lord as the person Henry Hurt told Lord had advised Hurt on how to put pressure on Lord to cooperate with the Eostein/Hurt Reader's
Digest "inquiry". Bemis, "owner of a string of hotels," matches the description of Bush's longest friend, Gerry Bemiss, who just happens to be Hurt's wife's first cousin.

Yes, it was thoughtful of them, wasn't it? :

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=39eb56e0a03d1f43&sxsrf=APpeQnuY3DKlr7b_1Pib2y4PmzLFkSVxzQ:1784332265875&q=had+a+meeting+regarding+my+political+future%E2%80%94very+thoughtful+of+them.&udm=36&source=lnms&fbs=ABfTbFVyMZGZf1hfvX9uKjN_-G8cxpBkeIeqYwoCbfNVc4vKE0nzDtz46ks8VcXZ-FAj7roWouGYoa-8wJKyeh_fRvLGc5HvMtnq86ZTdu-hT_jvMWj88Ay957L9PwGeD-onUveIkecPSkl1ew4jViPtQV_7C42DWS_wvyN3PglWF-8A5h4Nf0l0U_JnxfnM37gvhQUhNcI8offn6I8qCIn-fQQnB6E1Ag&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiih_nW89qVAxWm5ckDHS7pA8sQ0pQJegQIVBAB&biw=1600&bih=732&dpr=1
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global 
Jeffrey A. Engel · 2011
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 311


Billy Joe Lord, excerpt from his 1977 letter to President Carter,

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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145503&relPageId=135&search=beamis_and%20hotels
2. FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Additional Releases, Part 3 of 3, pg 135
Found in: FBI JFK Assassination File (62-109060)
Beamis (?)
, chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia and owner of "a string of hotels" in that state, for help in persuading me to tell what I know about Oswald

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FitzGerald_Bemiss
...born on October 2, 1922, in Richmond, Virginia to Samuel Merrifield Bemiss and Dorothy FitzGerald Bemiss...
...was a conservative Democrat who initially was part of the Byrd Organization, but later joined the Republican Party in the 1950s when many Southern Democrats dissatisfied with the policies of desegregation enacted during the administration of Democratic President Harry Truman left the party. While serving part-time in the General Assembly as discussed below, Bemiss was vice-president of FitzGerald and Company (a family business), but ultimately resigned that legislative position because of his responsibilities as the president of Virginia Skyline Co. (another family business, that operated concessions along Skyline Drive through Shenandoah National Park and the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia)
.....
.....and President George H. W. Bush (a personal friend since childhood) appointed him Vice Chairman of the Board of the United States Naval Academy.[6][7]...

Langbourne Meade Williams Sr. -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne_meade-williams
Children
Langbourne Meade Williams Jr.  - JOCK WHITNEY FINANCED LANGBOURNE JR'S BUYOUT OF FREEPORT SULPHUR
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88905107/langbourne_meade-williams
George Dandridge Williams HENRY HURT'S WIFE'S FATHER
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88953152/george_dandridge-williams

Siblings
Cyane Dandridge Williams Bemiss - GRANDMOTHER OF GERRY BEMISS WHO "ADVISED" HENRY HURT, per 1977 letter by Billy Joe Lord
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88850510/cyane_dandridge-bemiss
SON -
Samuel Merrifield Bemiss - FATHER OF FITZGERALD Jerry BEMISS
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/89080540/samuel_merrifield-bemiss
SON -
FitzGerald Bemiss
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65388323/fitzgerald-bemiss

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....Posts the opinion of a "reader" who does not even read the rest of the words posted in the two links I included in my post.


Why the hell would I?
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TG-

All that is pretty thin gruel. I have corresponded with Russell in the past.

deM. as a KGB handler of LHO actually fits into my suspicion that LHO was a de facto G2-DGI asset.

Have you a CT that deM. was an active KGB asset in 1963?

What Petty established is that deM. could have been an Iron Curtain asset in the immediate postwar period...but by the 1960s?

deM. is in interesting fellow. Was actually friends with Jackie K's family earlier on.

Was Clay Shaw a CIA asset in 1963 because he worked for the CIA in the 1950s?

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:30:17 AM »
George DeMohrenschildt was "very likely" or just possibly a KGB asset?

According to Richard Russell in The Man Who Knew Too Much, Petty thought DeMohrenschildt fit the bill because, like a particular "Illegal" in the VENONA decrypts:

1. He was born "maybe in Poland" (300 miles from the Polish border in Byelorussia).

2. He emigrated to the U.S. before WW II (1938).

3. He lived in Mexico during WW II. (With his girlfriend, Lilia Pardo Larin.)

4. He was a wheeler-dealer. (sugar speculator, oil speculator, real estate salesman, marketer of his own artwork, etc.)


Take it up with Dick Russell if you want to.

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TG-

deM. was "very likely" or just possibly a KGB asset?

Can you cite evidence that Petty determined DeM. was, in the 1960s, "very likely" a KGB asset?

Wasn't that more of a suspicion?
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