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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Today at 08:12:49 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 06:05:29 PM
Just for orientation, this video, by genial CTer Jessica Connell, nicely illustrates the Elm Street Extension and Bower's tower in relation to it. I find it distinctly odd that Conspirator Recon Vehicles would have used this unlikely route to "case the joint" within minutes of the JFKA. Of course, the entire notion of Conspirator Recon Vehicles is fundamentally absurd, but if we overlook that detail the absurdity is only increased, it seems to me, by having them using the Elm Street Extension to Nowhere.


SMH. The extension road was not a road to "nowhere." You could use the road to enter and leave the railyard parking lot. The extension road would have been a perfectly reasonable way to enter and leave the parking lot. Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza? Have you ever studied a map of the plaza?

So are you saying the three cars "just happened" to appear to be reconning the area, that all three were merely "looking for a parking place"? Are you saying Bowers was just fabricating?

Did you actually watch the video? I ask because the video shows that Bowers would have had an excellent view of the parking lot.

You do not seem to have read Bowers' accounts.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 08:11:47 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 08:03:38 PM
We'll never know exactly how it went down but it seems to be the consensus that Oswald ambushed Tippit as he got out of the car. That's what I have always thought but a few days ago I began to question that. What made Tippit get out of his car? Did Oswald draw his gun in reaction to Tippit getting out of the car? I'm wondering if Tippit got out of the car in reaction to Oswald drawing his gun while being questioned. I believe the eyewitness accounts said Tippit drew his gun after Oswald started firing but you know how much faith I have in eyewitness accounts. I'm not saying I think that is how it went down but I think we should recognize it as a possibility.

It's a moot point. Either way, Oswald drew first which made it an act of murder. Oswald got his two days later thanks to Jack Ruby.



I think that there is a good possibility that Tippit saw either a bulge in LHO’s waist band area and suspected that LHO had a weapon there. Or perhaps Tippit even saw the gun when LHO bent over to speak through the open vent window on the passenger side. If so, I think that Tippit should have been extremely cautious and defensive minded. Apparently he was not…
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 08:06:07 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 07:52:54 PM
My dream job would have been to be Chief Justice of the United States. It probably would have helped if I had gone to law school first.


It occurred to me that perhaps the 1963 Supreme Court ruling against the Georgia county-unit voting system might have been one reason that Richard Russell didn’t want to serve on the Commission with Earl Warren…
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 08:03:38 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 06:28:13 PM
All I can speculate is that Oswald knew he was carrying a concealed revolver and would likely be arrested if Tippit discovered it, whereupon all the dominoes would fall, so he took the extremely preemptive step of immediately gunning down Tippit. This does seem wildly at variance with the Oswald of the Baker encounter - who, of course, wasn't carrying a concealed revolver. If he actually did administer a close-range coup de grace, that would be truly bizarre and might suggest some personal animosity that would be hard to explain. Ya got me! At the Ed Forum, they are discussing the Oswald who supposedly took a whiz into the bushes along the sidewalk in full view of passers-by, so let's figure THAT into our alternate universe as well.

We'll never know exactly how it went down but it seems to be the consensus that Oswald ambushed Tippit as he got out of the car. That's what I have always thought but a few days ago I began to question that. What made Tippit get out of his car? Did Oswald draw his gun in reaction to Tippit getting out of the car? I'm wondering if Tippit got out of the car in reaction to Oswald drawing his gun while being questioned. I believe the eyewitness accounts said Tippit drew his gun after Oswald started firing but you know how much faith I have in eyewitness accounts. I'm not saying I think that is how it went down but I think we should recognize it as a possibility.

It's a moot point. Either way, Oswald drew first which made it an act of murder. Oswald got his two days later thanks to Jack Ruby.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Oswald And David Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Today at 07:56:56 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 05:36:15 PM
You seem to waffle back and forth between Oswald being a patsy and him being a participant in a conspiracy. I guess you're just hedging your bets. Unfortunately, you failed to cover the correct one.

You seem to have a very narrow way of thinking. Why could not Oswald have been both a participant and a patsy?

History gives us a number of examples of men who were involved in conspiracies and who were then made patsies by those conspiracies. It is not uncommon for conspirators to set up one of their fellow plotters, often someone lower down in the chain, as the fall guy, the patsy--for example, the four men framed by Mafia hitman Joseph "The Animal" Barboza for the murder of Ed Deegan in 1965 (Justice Department documents later revealed that FBI agents allowed Barboza to frame the men in order to protect top FBI informants in the Mafia).

For that matter, the Rampart scandal involving the LAPD in the 1990s and early 2000s revealed that some LAPD officers had framed a number of people by planting evidence and committing perjury.

In the real world here on planet Earth, as opposed to the fantasy land embraced by lone-gunman theorists, conspiracies happen, and they sometimes include framing people as patsies/fall guys. That is why there are state and federal laws against conspiracy, and why hundreds of people are convicted of conspiracy each year. That is also why there are many examples of people who were framed as patsies but whose convictions were overturned because evidence of their framing emerged. 

Anyway, I notice you said nothing about the evidence of the prolonged, extensive Oswald-Ferrie association. What was an avowed Marxist doing spending so much time with a violent, Mafia-connected right-wing extremist like David Ferrie? 



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 07:52:54 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on Today at 07:39:55 PM


Well, Google AI seems to agree with your answer.

My dream job would have been to be Chief Justice of the United States. It probably would have helped if I had gone to law school first.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 07:39:55 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 05:27:36 PM
It's very simple. The electoral college is mandated by the Constitution. How can something that is dictated by the Constitution be unconstitutional.

PS.  I discovered something curious last year. The term "electoral college" is nowhere in the Constitution. The Constitution simply refers to them as "Electors". Apparently, that name was given to the electors after the ratification and it stuck. There seems to be some historical documentation that the term "electoral college" was used during discussions at the Constitutional Convention but it was never codified into the text of the Constitution.



Well, Google AI seems to agree with your answer.

The U.S. Electoral College is explicitly established by Article II of the U.S. Constitution, making it structurally immune to claims of unconstitutionality. In contrast, state-level systems, like Georgia’s former county-unit system, were invalidated by the Supreme Court for violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.1. The Supremacy of the U.S. ConstitutionThe Electoral College is a fundamental design of the nation's highest legal document, making it legal by definition. The Supreme Court cannot declare a specific constitutional provision unconstitutional because the Constitution is the ultimate source of the Court's own authority.2. The 14th Amendment and State GovernmentsState election structures are not afforded this blanket constitutional protection. In the 1963 landmark case Gray v. Sanders, the Supreme Court struck down Georgia's county-unit system—which assigned more voting power to rural counties—ruling that it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. The Court established the "one person, one vote" rule, which dictates that within a single state's voting boundaries, every individual's vote must carry the exact same weight.3. Different Sovereign EntitiesThe distinction comes down to the entity in question:States are subordinate to the 14th Amendment and the U.S. Constitution, meaning their internal electoral maps and statewide elections must adhere strictly to equal protection and the "one person, one vote" standard.The Federal Government operates under the direct rules of the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, the apportionment of Electoral College votes among the 50 states is a constitutional compromise, not a statutory violation.While critics frequently point to the disparity in voting power under the Electoral College—where less populated states wield more influence per capita than highly populated ones—the system remains legal as long as it is embedded directly within the supreme law of the land.


But, I still do not understand why it is considered to be a “stroke of genius” when used for the U.S. voting system; while a similar voting system for the state of Georgia is considered to be unconstitutional. Here’s what Google AI says about the apparent hypocrisy:

Whether the system is hypocritical is a matter of ongoing political and legal debate, as the U.S. Constitution uses fundamentally different rules for national and state-wide elections. While the Electoral College explicitly weights votes by geography rather than population for the presidency, the Supreme Court has ruled that state-wide elections for state and federal offices must follow the "one person, one vote" principle.The Legal Conflict and DifferencesCritics argue the system is inherently hypocritical because the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law, yet this concept is applied differently based on the office being elected:Presidential Elections: The Constitution created the Electoral College in Article II, Section 1 as a federalist compromise. It awards electors to states based on their total representation in Congress (two senators plus the number of House representatives). This means less-populous states wield disproportionately more voting power per capita than highly populated ones.State and Congressional Elections: The Supreme Court effectively struck down similar, geographically-weighted systems for state-level elections in a series of landmark cases in the 1960s (such as Gray v. Sanders for state primaries and Reynolds v. Sims for legislative districts). The Court ruled that these systems violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. They established that electoral districts must be roughly equal in population—ensuring a principle of "one person, one vote" for state legislatures, state-wide offices, and the U.S. House of Representatives.The Justification and Push for ReformSupporters of the Electoral College system argue it is not hypocritical because the United States is a constitutional republic made up of independent states, rather than a pure direct democracy. They contend the system ensures that regional interests and less-populated states are not completely overridden by heavily populated urban centers.However, because state rules must adhere to the Equal Protection Clause, and presidential elections do not, it creates a stark contrast between how votes are counted for different offices. This structural difference has spurred movements like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which seeks to bypass the state-by-state electoral system in favor of a national popular vote.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 06:28:13 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Today at 05:09:35 PM
The way Tippit was shot also leads to unanswered questions. According to the narrative, Tippit got out of his car, clearly not sensing danger and then the killer instantly fired several shots at him. That, to me, is more likely a cold blooded act than a panic reaction. What would have motivated Oswald to kill a cop and actually go back for a final shot to ensure he was dead when the two men just had a conversation and Tippit didn't behave in a way that made it clear he either wanted to arrest or kill Oswald? In what universe does that make sense?

All I can speculate is that Oswald knew he was carrying a concealed revolver and would likely be arrested if Tippit discovered it, whereupon all the dominoes would fall, so he took the extremely preemptive step of immediately gunning down Tippit. This does seem wildly at variance with the Oswald of the Baker encounter - who, of course, wasn't carrying a concealed revolver. If he actually did administer a close-range coup de grace, that would be truly bizarre and might suggest some personal animosity that would be hard to explain. Ya got me! At the Ed Forum, they are discussing the Oswald who supposedly took a whiz into the bushes along the sidewalk in full view of passers-by, so let's figure THAT into our alternate universe as well.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 06:05:29 PM »
Just for orientation, this video, by genial CTer Jessica Connell, nicely illustrates the Elm Street Extension and Bower's tower in relation to it. I find it distinctly odd that Conspirator Recon Vehicles would have used this unlikely route to "case the joint" within minutes of the JFKA. Of course, the entire notion of Conspirator Recon Vehicles is fundamentally absurd, but if we overlook that detail the absurdity is only increased, it seems to me, by having them using the Elm Street Extension to Nowhere.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Today at 05:46:44 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 05:31:44 PM
So you believe the gunpowder residue could be smelled all the way to Parkland but the residue could not have drifted down onto Elm St. from the sniper's nest. Strange.

No, it is not strange at all that gunpowder residue sticks to objects and can be smelled for quite some time on those objects. Ask anyone who has any experience with guns. When I fired at Army rifle ranges during my 21-year Army career, my hands and sleeves would end up smelling like gunpowder, which is why I always washed my hands and laundered my BDU uniform shirts after firing.

Several of the gunpowder witnesses smelled the pungent scent of gunpowder just seconds after the shots rang out. There is no way on this planet that gunpowder could have "drifted" that quickly to the knoll area from 60 feet up and from at least 180 feet away. In addition, the wind was blowing from the south, toward the TSBD, not toward the knoll.

BTW, it is interesting that not one of the many police officers who were on the TSBD's sixth floor after the shooting reported smelling gunpowder near the alleged Oswald window or anywhere else on the floor.
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