JFK Assassination Forum

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Any straight forward examination of the available evidence in the JFKA yields only one plausible explanation and that is the one the WC reached almost 62 years ago. While we have discovered somethings that have cleared up questions the WC was unable to resolve, their basic conclusion remains sound with no revisions necessary. Oswald did it and there is no evidence he had even a single accomplice..

It was Oswald's rifle found on the sixth floor. It had his palmprint on the underside of the barrel which could only have been put there with the rifle disassembled which it would have to have been in order to fit inside the bag found next to the sniper's nest. Oswald's palmprint was also on the bottom of the bag. Fibers matching the blanket he used to store the rifle were found in the bag and fibers matching the shirt he was wearing that day were found on the butt plate of the rifle. The rifle was positively matched to the shells found by the window where several people saw a shooter. The rifle was also positively matched to the only two recovered bullets. Oswald's fingerprints were found on top of the boxes that had been stacked by the window in question oriented just as they would be if Oswald was kneeling at those boxes looking down Elm St. Every qualified medical examiner who has reviewed the autopsy materials has agreed with the findings of the original autopsy team that JFK was shot twice from above and behind him. There is no medical evidence or any other forensic evidence of another shooter firing from any other location in Dealey Plaza. These are facts.

On top of all the forensic evidence of Oswald's guilt, he flees the scene of the crime, fetches his revolver from his rooming house and a short time later guns down a cop who stopped to question him. About a dozen people either witnessed the shooting or identified Oswald fleeing the scene of that crime. A short time later, Oswald was arrested with the murder weapon in the cop killing in his possession after attempting to shoot one of the arresting with the same gun.

These facts tell us unambiguously that Oswald killed two men on 11/22/1963, yet for some people, that simply isn't good enough. For some strange reason, they feel compelled to look for conspiracies. They will invent any excuse imaginable to dismiss each and every piece of evidence that Oswald was a double murderer. Then they will turn around and dream up bizarre conspiracy theories from the flimsiest evidence or no evidence at all. Just factoids. They are chasing ghosts and have been for over 62 years. Their futility in finding no credible evidence of any other person's involvement in the assassination doesn't discourage them. They continue on their never-ending snipe hunts convinced the piece of evidence that will finally prove there was a conspiracy is right around the corner. Perhaps we should use a modern term for what drives these people. Oswald Derangement Syndrome.

Of course, CTs are not alone in dreaming up alternate realities. Perhaps the most famous was Jim Moore's book Conspiracy of One which put a different twist on the LN theory. Let's not forget our own Andrew Mason who has dreamed up a theory that requires about a dozen bizarre, improbable, and impossible things to have happened.

Dale Meyers has said it best. The JFKA happened one way and we now have an even clearer picture than what the WC was able to present. Oswald fired an early first shot that missed. There is some question as to exactly when that shot was fired because the Z-film doesn't give us definitive evidence as to when that shot was fired. It does show us JBC reacting to the first shot by rotating his shoulders to his right at Z164, just as he said he did. This tells us the first shot was fired some time before that. The second shot fired at or about Z220 struck JFK high on his back to the right of his spine, exited his throat, tumbled into JBC's back near his armpit, exited below his right nipple, struck and shattered his right wrist before making a shallow wound in his thigh. A third shot was fired at Z310-311 which struck JFK in the back of the head at Z313 causing a massive, unsurvivable brain injury causing his deata a short time later. This us the one way the JFKA happened. Anybody who believes otherwise is only fooling themselves.

Most of these claims are years behind the information curve; they reflect research that seems to have stopped many years ago.

For starters, the last official U.S. Government investigation into the assassination, i.e., the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) in 1977-1979, rejected the WC's lone-gunman conclusion, and we now know that three of the WC members themselves doubted the lone-gunman scenario.

The HSCA's investigation was far more thorough than the WC's slipshod, hurried investigation. Among other things, the HSCA concluded that there were two gunmen, that four shots were fired, that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll, that Ruby lied about how he entered the police basement to shoot Oswald, that Ruby lied about why he shot Oswald, that someone was moving boxes around in the sixth-floor window shortly after the shooting at a time when Oswald could not have been the one moving the boxes, that Oswald associated with virulent right-wing extremists David Ferrie and Guy Banister, that the first shot was fired at a time when the sixth-floor gunman's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the oak tree on Elm Street, that Howard Brennan's identification of Oswald as the sixth-floor gunman was unreliable, that two of the shots were fired only 1.66 seconds apart, that Ruby stalked Oswald before killing him, that Silvia Odio's account is credible (her account shows someone was trying to frame Oswald before the assassination), that JFK was hit before frame 190 in the Zapruder film, that the autopsy doctors mislocated the back wound, that the autopsy doctors failed to follow basic autopsy procedures, that the back wound's abrasion collar proves the bullet hit at an upward angle, that the tunneling inside the back wound ranges upward, that the Secret Service protection of JFK in Dallas may have been "uniquely insecure," and that the WC failed to follow up on leads that indicated conspiracy.

For those who want more information, I recommend these articles:

The Warren Commission's Failed Investigation
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12x-2gGg50JQPrEfxZSxha_EYjgSfq0kJ/view?usp=sharing

Did Oswald Shoot Tippit? A Review of Dale Myers’ Book With Malice
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_j_022lJYli3B5Xyw8wLs-0nl6mDLo2t/view?usp=sharing

Extra Bullets and Missed Shots in Dealey Plaza
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WRwhDQ9HMydf5pICsHwgtkoNKw0YSO8T/view?usp=sharing

JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view?usp=sharing

Why JFK's Tie and Shirt Slits Destroy the Single-Bullet Theory
https://sites.google.com/view/jfkshirtandtiedestroysbt/home

Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R1CZaCZfLA5QFjTCHNINcKxTH4cBiPfw/view?usp=sharing

LP--

That LHO had high IQ seems established, but he also may have been mentally ill.

Hard to estimate what such a man would do or plan, in such unusual circumstances.

Possibly, LHO expected a ride away from the TSBD, a ride that did not materialize, for many reasons, including traffic.

LHO's immediate escape plan from the TSBD seemed good enough and actually worked. He ran down the back stairs quickly and feigned innocence.

An interesting question is why LHO hid the M-C carbine or short rifle rather than leave it in situ. Maybe LHO thought that would buy him time in terms of minutes or hours, but not much longer than that. That indicates he expected to be able to escape the country, possibly on 11.22 or 11.23. But again, LHO was mentally troubled, in may layman's assessment, so who knows what he was thinking.

The JFKAC was likely a shoestring, ad hoc op. Like the Puerto Rican nationalists who shot up the US Capitol, or who tried to assassinate Truman, the JFKA perps may have seen Job 1 as the act, and Job 2 as escaping. They may have had little money, and few, in any, institutional resources. But they were zealots.

I am confident the JFKA, including the GK smoke-and-bang show, required more than a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt action rifle. The "bang...bang-bang" cadence alone makes the SBT LNT theorizing...well, those theories require a suspension of disbelief.

There was one live round left in the rifle. LHO could have used that live round on anyone who might have shown up and tried to stop him from leaving the sixth floor. However, LHO should have realized that he couldn’t try to leave the building with that rifle in his hands. He would have known that there was a plethora of law enforcement officers just outside the building. If they had seen someone trying to escape the building while holding a rifle, they would have tried to stop him. Stashing the rifle near the stairway on the sixth floor makes the most sense to me. It also is consistent with how he apparently escaped the scene of the Walker home after a shot was fired. I think that trying to blend-in with others was LHO’s best chance for an escape from the TSBD area. And that is what apparently worked for him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if LHO had stashed the rifle in that same area near the stairway on the sixth floor that morning when he arrived. It would have given him options to quietly retrieve it and go to the fifth or seventh floor (if other co-workers had decided to watch from the sixth floor instead of the fifth floor). Based on what we know of the Walker incident, LHO was apparently a planner that tried to have contingency plans if needed. And yes, I believe LHO also probably thought hiding the rifle would tend to buy him some additional time to try to get away.

JC:

re: Gov. JBC's comments.

JBC and wife were pretty steady on the  "first shot hit JFK, second hit JBC, third hit JFK." They were close-up witnesses, and both seemed sound of mind on 11.22 and succeeding dates.

It is curious that JBC, before both the WC and HSCA, described the bullets entering the cab of the limo with such rapidity, as if from an "automatic" rifle. This matches Kellerman's observation about a "flurry" of shots, which he then, under WC questioning, somewhat narrowed down to two shots in rapid succession.

I have wondered if JBC meant a "semi-automatic" rifle, but did not distinguish between a semi-automatic and an automatic rifle, or an automatic rifle, locked in semi-automatic mode (many automatic rifles can be "toggled" into semi-automatic mode, or one shot per squeeze of the trigger).

My take is JBC meant an automatic rifle, toggled into semi-automatic mode. The second and third shots entered the cab too rapidly to have been issued by a lone gunsel with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.

Bowers' quick second and third knocks on the table, seen in video above, are yet another example of how most witnesses recognized the sequence or cadence of shots.

The SBT LNT theories require more suspension of disbelief that I can muster.

But each to his own, caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusion.

 

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