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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Bell Film Gifs
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 10:42:27 PM »I know it's from him but this source doesn't have text or whatever, it's full-frame, where could Robin Unger have gotten it?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 09:37:24 PM »
The Sprague enhancement is better for bringing out Lovelady's plaid pattern and Shelley's white shirt collar...(And Lovelady's bald spot)...None of these have been doctored and they will appear exactly the same on the original film...
I'm sure this issue would be more solved than it already has been if the original celluloid were gotten and scanned...
The Prayer Man people are cheaters because they hold back and don't participate in further examining the evidence...Instead they ban and censor in order to protect their dirty clique...The Education Forum is all a group of sycophants and friends so when they cheat and with-hold evidence they get encouraged and rewarded on the forum...Being internet hacks, they make it a personal school yard contest that they take a little too much pleasure in but that doesn't stop them from selling themselves as serious researchers...Somehow Larsen managed to enhance Lovelady's plaid bars better than Kamp did and their irregular pattern matched perfectly beyond a doubt ending the issue...When I managed to get a message past the censorship filters the clique sets up for people who disprove them and told Larsen he had just proven the time Frazier was staring in shock at Sarah Stanton instead of admitting this evidence he went back and deleted his photo analysis of the plaid bars...
The two men are obviously Shelley & Lovelady...
The Sprague enhancement is better for bringing out Lovelady's plaid pattern and Shelley's white shirt collar
How is it better?
How is the more washed out image, that has far less detail, better for bringing out fine detail?
How is that better than the far clearer image that has far more detail in it?
What you're saying makes zero sense.
There is hardly any fine detail in the Sprague image except inside the suspicious lighter square that contains the two men.
Why is it none of this fine detail present in the superior 4 Days image or any other version I can find?
No fine detail on the shirt.
No bald spot.
This is clear proof the Sprague image has been doctored.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:29:59 PM »Are you suggesting this film was altered? And if so why?
No alteration. What I am saying is that the Bell Film shows Wiegman stumbling as he runs (R) - (L) across the top of the Knoll Grass. He will stop and turn (L) and then run Down the knoll. We see him running down the Knoll on the Couch Film. Running DOWN to the bottom of the knoll then places Wiegman next to the Newman Family, where he films them. We are Not seeing Wiegman "sprawled" across the steps on the Bell Film.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:29:09 PM »
When the Bell film is ran in full motion, Wiegman only uses his hand to support going up the steps, he is not lying or sitting.
By the way, where did you guys get the full-frame bell film without text? didn't the GIF guy upload the underpass sequence but stabilized?
Wiegman is Not facing the steps on the Bell Film. He is facing the (W) as he runs/stumbles across the top of the Knoll grass. He has his camera in 1 hand and the other hand is front of him as he stumbles forward while running (R) - (L) across the Knoll grass. The hand in front of him is a reflex action as he stumbles off-balance forward.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Bell Film Gifs
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 07:15:17 PM »Here is a giff i found on this forum -- i forget where, & who.Okay, where did you guys get this specific full-frame version?
It shows Hoffman's Falcon in a Bell early sequence.
I could make a giff of Hoffman's Falcon stopping in Bell's much later sequence, but there are only about 4 frames, mostly blurry, not worth it.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 07:12:27 PM »
When the Bell film is ran in full motion, Wiegman only uses his hand to support going up the steps, he is not lying or sitting.
By the way, where did you guys get the full-frame bell film without text? didn't the GIF guy upload the underpass sequence but stabilized?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on Yesterday at 06:57:42 PM »Are you suggesting this film was altered? And if so why?
Let's see what a re-enactment of the Bell film reveals.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 06:32:35 PM »How about just looking at the level of Wiegman's feet vs the feet of the guy standing to the (R) of the Bench/at the base of the Pedestal? Both Wiegman and this other person are clearly standing at close to the same level on the Knoll Grass. These higher definition JFK Assassination Images make this obvious.
Wiegman NEVER said he layed across the steps, and No Eyewitness has ever said they saw him laying across the steps. A man wearing a suit and hat, and holding a camera, while being "sprawled" across those steps would certainly be ingrained in the memory of the eyewitnesses inside Dealey Plaza. How many eyewitnesses noted the Newman family being "sprawled" on the ground? Seeing something such as Wiegman laying across the steps would also be memorable.
Are you suggesting this film was altered? And if so why?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:24:59 PM »To settle this nonsense once and for all, I made a small GIF from Wiegman's perspective.
Wiegman sees an opportunity for some dramatic footage and runs to the steps, the camera POV passes over the steps
The camera goes from shaking wildly to being incredibly steady for a few seconds, which means he isn't stumbling, but is resting his elbow on the the top step which is obvious in Steve's Bell still, in Bell's stabilized footage and the height of the camera in Wiegman's footage.
Bell's stabilized footage of Wiegman.
A clear frame of Wiegman on the steps.
JohnM
How about just looking at the level of Wiegman's feet vs the feet of the guy standing to the (R) of the Bench/at the base of the Pedestal? Both Wiegman and this other person are clearly standing at close to the same level on the Knoll Grass. These higher definition JFK Assassination Images make this obvious.
Wiegman NEVER said he layed across the steps, and No Eyewitness has ever said they saw him laying across the steps. A man wearing a suit and hat, and holding a camera, while being "sprawled" across those steps would certainly be ingrained in the memory of the eyewitnesses inside Dealey Plaza. How many eyewitnesses noted the Newman family being "sprawled" on the ground? Seeing something such as Wiegman laying across the steps would also be memorable.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 06:22:53 PM »That was put in there especially for you. As you do, you completely missed the important details of Givens testimony. The fact you never quite pick up on the details and how there is always other testimony to be considered is laughable, but not in the way that you think.
Ok, thanks for posting that WC testimony of Rowland wife. It’s only the part of him telling her about sighting a man with gun at the SE window that she confirms. The black elderly male in the SW window is an after the fact detail which maybe an “embellishment”.
Therefore there’s more wiggle room here that BRW was never in the SN but that he was where he said he was siting on the cart a couple windows down from the box wall. Why chicken bones were found on top the boxes IDK but it’s not that relevant anymore as now there is time from 11:45 till 11:49 that the TSBD shooter had time to stack boxes and adjust the window.
Can we reasonably also discard Rowlands sighting of a man with rifle in hand at the SW window before the fact? If so then there is no problem with Oswald being sighted at by Carolyn Arnold from 12:15-12:17 as he had already prepared the SN from 11:45 till about 12:00 when he went down to the 1st floor and seen by Eddie Piper then.