I would suspect that Dougherty is not telling the full story to Toff and that Dougherty saw Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room on his way upstairs or somehow knew - like perhaps seeing and talking to Oswald before Oswald went back up to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Something Truly, the Commission, and FBI had to do serious damage control over...

The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder.

The Bell film shows Weigman (circled in red) lying on the steps. He has just finished filming the Hesters (Mrs Hester circled in yellow) and is in the process of getting up.
Weigman doesn't move from this spot. He doesn't approach Zapruder at all. Note - in the bottom left of this image we can see Hargis stood by a lamp post.



There is then a cut in the film and Weigman is suddenly down by the Newmans. Note - in this image we can see Hargis is now running across Elm Street towards his car.



In the Couch film we see the moment Weigman runs down the knoll from his spot on the steps filming the Hesters to his spot near the Newmans where he starts to film them. We should be able to see Zapruder and Sitzman in the Couch footage but the Stemmons sign is in the way.



In the image above Weigman is about half way along his run. Hargis is still at the lamp post and is about to start his run across Elm Street.


"The Wiegman Film was claimed to have been xxxx "continuously" for 30+ years following the assassination."

From my own viewing it seems that the opening xxxx of the Weigman film is a single xxxx up until the point he has finished filming the Hesters. The film then clearly cuts to the Newmans. There can be zero doubt there is a cut at this point so I'm not sure how there could be a claim that it was continuous.

                                                                     - YOU TUBE -

                    "Raw Footage #1: The F.M. Bell film out-of-camera original"      by - The JFK Theorist  (1:19)

    The Bell Film still frame you have posted above is CROPPED.  Zapruder is visible on the (L), on an Uncropped Bell Film. Sitzman is also visible between the sprocket holes.
     I recommend you use the Bell Film I have listed above to help with your time stamping. "The JFK Theorist" posts extremely good copies of JFK assassination films on You Tube. He sometimes posts on this forum as "Alex Harris".
     Altgens gave WC Testimony that he initially followed law enforcement UP the knoll. When we see Altgens above, he has come back down the knoll and is now walking laterally L-R. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.
     

Dr. Young showed good judgment and common sense in examining the contents of the limo-bullet envelope given to him by Chief Mills before giving it to Dr. Humes. Any competent officer would have verified the envelope's contents before handing it over to the chief pathologist at the autopsy of the century of a U.S. president killed in the Crime of the Century.

It always amuses me when you offer your assumptions in lieu of any actual evidence.

It is quite possible that the deformed limo bullet that Dr. Young gave to Dr. Humes was the bullet described in the Sibert and O'Neill 11/22/63 receipt to Captain Stover, which acknowledged receipt of a "missle" from Humes: "We hereby acknowledge receipt of a missle recoved [sic] by Commander James J. Humes."

"Quite possible"? Now there's a compelling argument.

The mistyped word "recoved" has usually been taken to mean "recovered" or "removed." However, Denise Hazelwood and Dr. David Mantik have perceptively argued that, given the omission of "i" in "missle," the mistyped word "recoved" may have been intended to be "received."

Now you toss in a "may have".

When the FBI receipt surfaced, the cover story was given that Sibert and O'Neill were actually referring to the two small bullet fragments that Humes removed from the skull during the autopsy.

Since neither Siebert nor O'Neill ever testified what they meant by "missile", this is pure conjecture.

Of course, this is nonsense. Those two fragments were small, 7 x 2 mm and 3 x 1 mm.  Also, both fragments had a very small width, i.e., a very small thickness. The thickest of the two, the 7 x 2 mm fragment, has an optical-density measurement of only 1.44. The 7 x 2 mm fragment weighs 1.65 grains and the 3 x 1 mm fragment weights 0.15 grains, for a total of 180 grains. A WCC 6.5 FMJ bullet weighs 159-161 grains. Thus, these two fragments constituted only about 1.12% of the mass of one bullet of the kind of ammo that Oswald allegedly used. No one with two functioning eyes would describe two such small, thin fragments as a missile. 

Yet another assumption. Keep up the good work. <chuckle>

It should be noted that two other autopsy witnesses said they saw a whole bullet during the autopsy. They were Captain David P. Osborne and Captain James Stover, Navy O-6s. Captain Osborne said he actually held the bullet in his hand, adding that it was "copper clad" and "fully intact" and was "not a fragment." It was later claimed that Osborn retracted his account, but this turned out to be false and that Osborn had insisted to his HSCA interviewer that he was certain about the bullet because he had held the bullet in his hands. Captain Stover said he recalled that the bullet was brought to the autopsy in an envelope, confirming Dr. Young's account that he handed Humes an envelope that contained the limo bullet.

Neither Stover nor Osborne ever testified to the WC, HSCA, nor ARRB. Great source.

Captains Stover, Osborne, and Young may have been referring to the same bullet.

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And now you toss another "may have" into your word salad.

Dr. Mantik:
Since Stover did recall a bullet, “missle” may actually have described the intact bullet that White House physician James Morningstar Young, MD, reported as found inside the presidential limousine that night. Young reported that White House Medical Corpsman Chief Petty Officer Thomas Mills gave him the bullet in an envelope after he returned from the White House garage to retrieve skull fragments from the rear of the limousine.

And another "may have". Keep going.

In April 1980, David Lifton contacted Stover, who had been the commanding officer (i.e., Humes’s immediate superior) of the US Naval Medical School and, like Osborne, had been present during the autopsy. Lifton said that Stover confirmed Osborne’s assertion that there was a bullet in the autopsy room, saying (my emphasis): “It seems to me that the one they found in Dallas they brought up….I think it was in a brown paper envelope."

You are really scraping bottom when you cite Lifton.

So, we now have a scenario where the following individuals may all have seen the same bullet: Young, Mills, Martinell, Osborne, and Stover. (Curiously, Jerrol Custer described a “king-sized” metal fragment from JFK’s back.) But Osborne and Stover did not know the origin of this bullet, whereas the first three individuals (Young, Mills, and Martinell) did. Humes also must have known, but he remained eternally — and disingenuously — silent. . . .

Take it easy on the "may haves". Too much of a good thing.

Young’s bullet must not be confused with either CE 567 or with CE 569, which were only bullet fragments. Furthermore, CE 567 was discovered between the front seats, while CE 569 was discovered on the front floor. On the other hand, Young's bullet was found on the floor near the back seat of the JFK limousine. 

Who testified to that?

 

In addition, Young reported that his bullet had a tip. Do you see a tip in either CE 567 or in CE 569? Young not only reported a bullet tip, but he also described this bullet as a “bent brass slug.” Neither of these two fragments (CE 567 or CE 569) match Young’s intact bullet. (The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis, pp. 332-333)[/font]

Young never testified to any of this. Reportedly, he said this in an interview 38 years after the assassination. In the "What Price a Rose" article Young wrote for himself in 2013, he made no mention of any of this.

It should also be pointed out that CEs 567 and 569 were never brought to the autopsy but were turned over to the FBI and taken to FBI lab at FBI HQ. They were given to FBI Special Agent Orrin Bartlett by Secret Service Deputy Chief Paul Paterni and Assistant Special Agent in Charge Floyd M. Boring and were taken directly to the FBI lab.

That is, of course, what should have been done with those fragments which begs the question, why would the Secret Service have handled a whole bullet any differently? Why would they have not sent that to the FBI as well? Why would they send the bullet to the medical examiners when the medical examiners are supposed to turn any bullets they find over to the investigators? It makes no sense.

Finally, it is worth noting that Dr. Young supported the EOP entry site, and that he also seemed to confirm the low fragment trail. Said Dr. Young,

It was determined that he had been struck by two bullets, the second most probably striking him in the right occiput with the bullet lodging in behind the right orbit or at least a fragment of the bullet lodging there. ("Oral History with CAPT (ret) James Morningstar Young, MC, USN," Interview 3, p. 52, https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Capt_James_Young_Interview.pdf)

The autopsy pathologists said the low fragment trail extended from the EOP site to the right orbit, the same wound path that Dr. Young described. However, as many here know, and as I've pointed out numerous times, the extant autopsy skull x-rays show no low fragment trail, no fragment trail that starts/ends anywhere near the EOP and no fragment trail that connects the EOP site with the two fragments located near the right orbit.

So either the autopsy pathologists were so unbelievably incompetent as to mistake the high fragment trail for a trail that was several inches lower and that neither started nor ended anywhere near the EOP or the right orbit, or they outright lied about the low fragment trail, or nearly all of the low fragment trail (except for the two fragments near the right orbit) was removed from the skull x-rays.

The evidence for the EOP entry site described in the autopsy report is indeed impressive. But, if the EOP site is correct, which it surely is, then the autopsy brain photos must be fraudulent, since they show no damage to the right occipital lobe and no damage to the cerebellum.

While there is some disagreement as to precisely where on the back of JFK's head the bullet entered, there is no disagreement among the medical examiners that the entry was in the back of the head which fits perfectly with the conclusion that the headshot was fired from behind by Oswald.

As for your conclusion that the brain photos are fraudulent, that is the musing of an incompetent amateur who has had no training or experience in the field of forensic pathology. Only a fool would accept that conclusion over that of the professionals with years of training and experience.

Crickets...

The above was the title of a book Chris Matthews wrote 30 years ago about the complex relationship between two of the most important political figures of the post-WWII period. I was interested in this book when it came out but never got around to acquiring it until recently when I found it on Amazon through a second hand book seller.

I had already known the two had been friends and allies early in their careers even though they were from different parties. I knew that JFK had personally delivered a $1000 check from his father to Nixon's Senate campaign in 1950. So far I have just read the introduction and Chapter One but have already picked up a few interesting tidbits that I don't know. When JFK first ran for Congress in 1946, he described himself as a "fighting conservative", which seems like an accurate description of his political POV at the time. In the same election, Nixon voiced a commitment to "practical liberalism". When they both ran for the presidency in 1960, JFK was seen as the most conservative of the Democrats in the race while Nixon was seen as the liberal alternative to Goldwater. What surprised me is that in early 1960, JFK had confided to friends that if he didn't win the Democrat nomination, he would probably vote for Nixon in the general election.

Recently the Democrats have made news by running a candidate in the Alaska Republican primary with the same name, Dan Sullivan, as the incumbent Republican Senator. Both advanced to the general election. 80 years ago, old man Joe Kennedy had pulled the same trick in the Democrat primary for Congress in 1946 when he found a local school custodian with the same name as one of Jack's principal rivals and got him put on the ballot, paving the way for Jack to win the nomination. At the time, the Kennedys had not been living in Massachusetts in recent years and Jack claimed a hotel room in the district as his principal residence when he filed for his place on the ballot. Jack had also forgot to file the petitions to get his name on the ballot by the deadline and they had to make a clandestine entry into the board of election office after hours to get the petitions on the appropriate des

Naturally, the friendship between JFK and Nixon became strained as they both sought the top prize in American politics, but they always retained a healthy respect for one another. I'm looking forward to reading the remainder of this book and hope it proves to be as interesting as what I've read so far.