JFK Assassination Forum

   The car is parked to the (L) of the Traffic Light Pole. The people that are claimed to be obstructing Wiegman from filming this car, are standing on the (R) of the Traffic Light Pole. Some of these same people are standing so far to the (R) of the traffic light pole, that they are standing in the street. They are Not even standing atop the Island. Officer Baker runs directly over/across this same Island on the Couch/Darnell films. The car can be seen on the (L) of Officer Baker as he crosses over the island. And remember, the car is 17+ Feet Long and 5 ft tall. This car occupies an extremely large amount of space. Wiegman filmed this same space as he was turning the corner. This means that space was filmed by Wiegman from many different angles. The car is simply Not there. Not yet.

  The car is parked to the (L) of the Traffic Light Pole.

Is this not the same car that has its windshield clearly to the right of the traffic light pole (from a similar angle to the Weigman film’s angle)?

Of all of the people or groups who had a motive to kill JFK, those who would benefit most from his death, LBJ is probably at the top or near top of any list. Not just for the Baker matters but the fact, as Caro points out, that LBJ felt his political life was at a complete end, it was all over. And politics was everything to him. He had no influence in the White House (in fact he was mocked by the Kennedy people) and despite apparently thinking he would have some, none in the Senate. Why he thought he could have sway over the Senate is a mystery. He really made a huge mistake here.

But Baker had a lot of dirt on a lot of people, including JFK. So anyone bringing LBJ down would bring many others with him. Or he could. There was sort of a "mutual assured destruction" with many people not wanting to launch the first missile.

What's weird about this, of course, is that LBJ kept ALL of the Kennedy people, including the ones who mocked him, in his Administration. Not only the Cabinet people like McNamara and Rusk but the Kennedy Mafia like O'Brien, Powers and O'Donnell. O'Brien in particular was important in getting his legislation passed and the accounts I've read are that O'Brien absolutely loathed LBJ. Not a hard thing to do since LBJ was so crude and vulgar.

Showing motive isn't enough though. Castro had a motive too - the plots, the covert war on his "Revolution." So did the Mob, anti-Castro Cubans, Birchers, et cetera. But getting from motive to Dallas on November 22, 1963 at 12:30 is another question. Too many conspiracy people think showing motive is enough, that the rest can be filled in later. It's not; you can't go from conspiracy first and then evidence second. The evidence has to come first. Too often in conspiracy world this is how they argue, they thinking showing motive covers enough ground. It doesn't.

Thanks for the response.
Yes, LBJ did keep and work with the majority of JFK's people, and a great deal of JFK's proposals were carried out. But, that was not guaranteed to happen.

So, perhaps the assassination - if it was a conspiracy-  did not reap what "alleged" conspirators had sowed (or is it sown) Obviously,  we're getting into counterfactual history, so I'll stop here.

IHas anyone read this? Or any of Caro's LBJ series.

I am deep into it, and the Bobby Baker situation certainly was becoming perilous for Lyndon.
I knew of the story, but seeing it in such depth is striking.

I'm not an " LBJ did it" guy - far from it, having seen the pretty dubious ...theories, Madeline Brown, Mac Wallace et.al.  But Iit does bring up the " cui bono" approach.

Thoughts?

Of all of the people or groups who had a motive to kill JFK, of those who would benefit most from his death, LBJ is probably at the top or near top of any list. Not just for the Baker matters but the fact, as Caro points out, that LBJ believed his political life was at a complete end, it was all over. And politics was everything to him. He had no influence in the White House (in fact he was mocked by the Kennedy people) and despite apparently thinking he would have some as VP, none in the Senate. Why he thought he could have sway over the Senate is a mystery. I guess he thought JFK would use him with legislation. But didn't. He really made a huge mistake here.

As you know from the Caro book, Baker had a lot of dirt on a lot of people, including JFK. Anyone bringing LBJ down would risk bringing down many others with him. Or he could. There was sort of a "mutual assured destruction" with many people not wanting to launch the first missile. Still, LBJ must have been really worried.

What's odd for me is that after the assassination LBJ kept ALL of the Kennedy people, including the ones who mocked him, in his Administration. Not only the Cabinet people like McNamara and Rusk but the Kennedy Mafia like O'Brien, Powers and O'Donnell. O'Brien in particular was important in getting his legislation passed and the accounts I've read are that O'Brien absolutely loathed LBJ. Not a hard thing to do since LBJ was so crude and vulgar.

As to LBJ's role: Showing motive isn't enough. Castro had a motive too - the plots, the covert war on his "Revolution." So did the Mob, anti-Castro Cubans, Birchers, et cetera. But getting from motive to Dallas on November 22, 1963 at 12:30 is another question. Too many conspiracy people think showing motive is enough, that the rest can be filled in later. It's not; you can't go from conspiracy first and then evidence second. The evidence has to come first. Too often in conspiracy world this is how they argue, they think showing motive covers enough ground. It doesn't.

   The car is parked to the (L) of the Traffic Light Pole. The people that are claimed to be obstructing Wiegman from filming this car, are standing on the (R) of the Traffic Light Pole. Some of these same people are standing so far to the (R) of the traffic light pole, that they are standing in the street. They are Not even standing atop the Island. Officer Baker runs directly over/across this same Island on the Couch/Darnell films. The car can be seen on the (L) of Officer Baker as he crosses over the island. And remember, the car is 17+ Feet Long and 5 ft tall. This car occupies an extremely large amount of space. Wiegman filmed this same space as he was turning the corner. This means that space was filmed by Wiegman from many different angles. The car is simply Not there. Not yet. 

Mr. Cole:

Thanks for the polite, measured response.

I'm looking forward to the final LBJ book; let's all wish for continued good health fo Mr. Caro.