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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Dealey Plaza Storm Drain Sewer Theory 1992
« Last post by Ted Sager on Today at 02:11:18 AM »The south storm drain would have been an entirely logical choice for a shooting position. It provided concealment, an excellent view of the target, and a secure means of escape. It would have been the logical choice for a skilled assassin.
Yet, WC apologists howl and scoff whenever the south storm drain is mentioned as a possible shooting location. They prefer to believe, or say they believe, that the one and only shooting location was the sixth-floor window, never mind that the back wound and the rear head entry wound do not even come close to aligning back to that window, and never mind that the ammo that hit JFK's head could not have been the ammo that the supposed sixth-floor gunman allegedly used.
shot from south drain was impossible. Too much angle for throat shot, too close for head shot. Car was facing straight at drain not allowing the throat shot. Too closr for head shot at Ks leaning head.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Ted Sager on Today at 02:06:51 AM »[quote author=Dan O'meara First shot fired down at 60 degree down hit no one at that angle. Ks back shot was upward from storm drain at the corner. pass through slug hit by mirror making dent.
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I'm assuming you're talking about the moment JFK is shot for the first time causing his fists to go up to his throat. The question is, if we assume there are three shots from the TSBD, which shot is this - first, second or third?
IMO the shot that caused JFK to raise his fists to his throat occurred at z223. The opening post of this thread is an assertion that no shot took place before z207. Less than one second after this (z223) Kennedy is hit. This leads me to conclude the first shot fired from the TSBD is the one that hits Kennedy in the throat. Quite a number of "ear-witnesses" describe a pattern to the shots - shot, pause, two shots closer together. If this is the case the second shot must be the head-shot with the third shot coming shortly after that.
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I'm assuming you're talking about the moment JFK is shot for the first time causing his fists to go up to his throat. The question is, if we assume there are three shots from the TSBD, which shot is this - first, second or third?
IMO the shot that caused JFK to raise his fists to his throat occurred at z223. The opening post of this thread is an assertion that no shot took place before z207. Less than one second after this (z223) Kennedy is hit. This leads me to conclude the first shot fired from the TSBD is the one that hits Kennedy in the throat. Quite a number of "ear-witnesses" describe a pattern to the shots - shot, pause, two shots closer together. If this is the case the second shot must be the head-shot with the third shot coming shortly after that.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:15:51 PM »The left has hijacked this issue by putting the focus on the criminal instead of the victim. As a result, hangings and other forms of effective capital punishment are largely a political nonstarter. It's a hopeless case to convince enough people to go back to the good old days. Lethal injection is viewed as a more "humane" manner of death. So some middle of the road types are still willing to entertain it.
You're probably right. Since it takes 25-30 years now to exhaust the appeals process, the method of execution is the least of the problems we face administering justice.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Donald Trump is a real piece of Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 10:08:23 PM »Again, there is no war. There is not even a conflict. No one is fighting. The "deal" would not have prevented Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. It would only have delayed it for a few years until - wait for it - now. After which they would be free to do anything they wanted. Trump spared us that.
They were doing inspections everything was fine TRUMP started a war he can't get out of.
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Again, there is no war.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Donald Trump is a real piece of Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh
« Last post by Richard Smith on Yesterday at 09:53:58 PM »Then Trump tore up and started a war.
...and he can't get out of it.
Again, there is no war. There is not even a conflict. No one is fighting. The "deal" would not have prevented Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. It would only have delayed it for a few years until - wait for it - now. After which they would be free to do anything they wanted. Trump spared us that.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Donald Trump is a real piece of Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 09:47:47 PM »Even liberal icon Chuck Schumer opposed Obama's "deal."
"Even more importantly, the agreement would allow Iran, after ten to fifteen years, to be a nuclear threshold state with the blessing of the world community. Iran would have a green light to be as close, if not closer to possessing a nuclear weapon than it is today. And the ability to thwart Iran if it is intent on becoming a nuclear power would have less moral and economic force."
Then Trump tore up and started a war.
...and he can't get out of it.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by Richard Smith on Yesterday at 09:39:26 PM »This is why I said we should abandon lethal injections and go back to more traditional methods of execution: hanging, electric chair, gas chamber, and even firing squads. I don't recall problems with any of these.
About 30 years ago in Columbus, Ohio, a paroled murderer named Alva Campbell who was jailed for a subsequent crime, feigned paralysis and was being transported to a hospital by a single female deputy. He overpowered her and took her gun which he used to carjack an 18 year old kid named Charles Dials who had come to the county building to pay a traffic ticket. After having the kid drive him around for a while, he forced the kid to change clothes with him, then shot him dead. When he was arrested, he bragged about how he had taken the kid's whole life away from him. It took over 20 years before the court's allowed Campbell's execution to take place. By that time, he was terminally ill from cancer. They couldn't even find a usable vein to put the needle in his arm and the execution was called off. Any of the above named methods of execution could have been carried out effectively, but because we insist on "humanely" putting these scumbags to death, Campbell escaped even belated justice. He died a few months later.
Contrast that with the executions of Dick Hickock and Perry Smith, the two infamous In Cold Blood murderers who slaughtered four members of the Clutter family in November of 1959. They were also the prime suspects in the murder of another family of four in Florida while on the run from the Clutter murders. They were sentenced in Kansas to hang and their executions were carried out in April of 1965. Hickock was hanged first and it was 23 minutes between the time the trap door dropped and he was pronounced dead. Smith took 17 minutes to die. A hanging is supposed to dislocate the 3rd and 4th cervical vertebrae and sever the cerebral cortex making death instantaneous. That doesn't always happen and apparently didn't happen with either of these men. Were they conscious during the time they were hanging? Did they suffer? I don't know, but I sure hope so.
When people like this are executed, the number one priority should be that their death is certain. Whether they suffer or not during the process should be at most a minor concern. Does anyone think scum like this cared whether their victims suffered. Maybe Hickock and Perry should have been executed the same manner as their victims, with a shotgun blast to the head at close range.
The left has hijacked this issue by putting the focus on the criminal instead of the victim. As a result, hangings and other forms of effective capital punishment are largely a political nonstarter. It's a hopeless case to convince enough people to go back to the good old days. Lethal injection is viewed as a more "humane" manner of death. So some middle of the road types are still willing to entertain it.
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