JFK Assassination Forum

Progress Zeon!  All very reasonable points.

You are beginning to realize that there is no way the evidence can fit a first shot miss.  However, I would not agree that JFK's reaction is delayed. It is rather difficult to accept that JFK is not reacting between z193 and before z224:



Neither JFK nor JBC had a delayed reaction. They both reacted at the same time to being hit by the same shot.

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JBC's reaction was not to being hit by it in the back/armpit. So his reaction will be delayed because he has to process the significance of the sound, realize that the President may have been hit by a rifle shot and begin to turn around to catch sight of the President.

Total BS. It's not even good BS.[uote]

Dan's first shot SBT scenario might be more persuasive if there was a reasonable explanation for JBC being absolutely sure that he was not hit in the back/armpit by the first shot - and if there was cogent evidence of a third shot miss. Also, the shot had to be a bit earlier than z224. 

 

A second shot SBT perfectly fits with the Z-film and the medical evidence. JBC was directly in line with the bullet exiting JFK's throat. It simply could not have missed him. Your goofy drawings do not change that simple fact.

Some - Robert Morrow - are, some aren't. Wackiness is in the eye of the beholder, but Robert is wacky by any standard.

Any theory of the assassination that is based on speculation and not hard evidence is wacky.

In my opinion the WC was tasked with toeing the LN line and fulfilled its mission.

Your opinion is a poor substitute for actual evidence that anybody but Oswald took part in the assassination.

There was a definite mandate and agenda not to reach a conclusion pointing to the obvious suspects given Oswald's background: the Soviets and/or Cubans.

Still waiting for your evidence that supports that claim.

A cui bono analysis would have included all those you listed (and more) precisely because so many individuals and organizations despised JFK and stood to benefit from his death.

Every POTUS has enemies. That doesn't mean they resort to assassination. The only person implicated by evidence is LHO. Everything else is unfounded speculation.

Indeed, it's quite an astonishing list. The WC legitimately started with Oswald since the Dealey Plaza evidence obviously pointed to him, yet the WC could articulate no clear motive.

It is completely unnecessary to establish Oswald's motive given the overwhelming amount of evidence he did the deed. Why he did it will never be known nor does it need to be known.

The WC then did some level of cursory analysis concerning Oswald's possible connections to conspirators and found none.

Why does that matter?

Generations of researchers have been dissatisfied with the WC's and HSCA's analyses and continued the quest.

Satisfying the CTs is completely unnecessary to establish that Oswald was the assassin.

Cui bono points so strongly to LBJ and Marcello that it sometimes seems almost impossible they weren't involved.

A completely illogical conclusion completely devoid of supporting evidence.

But the cui bono inquiry simply says "Yes, they had a hell of a motive and should be looked at closely." The WC certainly didn't do this, so I have no problem with CT researchers digging more deeply.

They've been digging for 62 years and have come up empty. They have found no evidence that indicates anybody but LHO was involved in the assassination. Suspicions without evidence doesn't amount to squat.

As to what they have produced so far, I would say there is no credible or compelling evidence.

BINGO!!!

But this is very common in routine criminal cases as well; the cui bono inquiry may lead nowhere and the perpetrator who is finally arrested turns out never to have been on anyone's radar screen until he slipped up. That was my only point with LBJ: cui bono would say "Take a hard, close look at this guy."

62 years of batting .000 gives us no reason to believe Oswald had any accomplices.

LP--

THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE A GUNMAN IN TSBD6 IN THE FIRST PLACE. (All caps in original). ---LP

Huh?

Of course, there was a reason to have a sniper in TSBD6---by luck, that was where LHO worked and had an excellent view to the motorcade. LHO could secret weapons into the TSBD with little chance of detection. LHO could be in the building with no questions, and on any floor. All that was a relatively low-risk op.

LHO could know when to allow others into the building with little chance of detection, and know how to leave the building quickly. LHO would know which floors were occupied, and which were not. Reducing risk.

By luck, TSBD6 was as good a JFKA set-up as could be found, on relatively short notice.

You are setting up arguments against a straw man CT---that a powerful high-level cabal perped the JFKA, and why would they use LHO?

But how about a JFKA perped by a couple low-level G2'ers, acting without authorization, but in touch with LHO, through LHO's activities in MC and NO? And an LHO had a proclivity for shooting at public figures---see the Walker shooting. 

The JFKAC was not sophisticated, and it was risky. So what?

A couple G2'ers did not have a lot of resources at their command, but got lucky with LHO.

For the G2'ers, the mission had to be accomplished, so risks were taken. That happens in the political-nationalist zealotry of the Cold War Latin America.

LHO? I do not pretend to understand LHO, he was likely mentally ill, and possibly thought he would end up in Cuba.

My guess is that LHO was left holding the bag, whether by design or circumstance, I don't know. Perhaps LHO was supposed to be waxed also, but in such a low-budget op as the JFKA, things can go wrong. 

The GK diversion was a success.

I am talked out.

The Trask book can be viewed online here (you'll need a free account to fully access it): https://archive.org/details/thatdayindallast0000tras_k3b5/page/28/mode/2up

Here's the photo from page 29. It's white flowers.



And zoomed x 300:

Thanks Steve.





JohnM

I didn't avoid the image evidence. I told you that I could see the pareidolic "face" at 29:30. Alas for you, neither I nor pretty much anyone else who has looked at this pareidolic face thinks it looks like our beloved Lamb Chop. Actually, at first blush I thought the image posted by Jack White looked more like Lamb Chop than your pareidolic flower face, It took me about 30 seconds to realize "Wait a minute, that's the purse of a woman on the sidewalk."

Bugiloisi (BOO! HISS!) says the following in his endnotes in Reclaiming History (BOO! HISS!):

Jean Hill took a lot of ribbing for telling reporters in a national TV interview shortly after the shooting that President and Mrs. Kennedy were looking at a little white dog on the seat between them as the car came abreast of Hill’s position. In later years, conspiracy theorists tried to restore her credibility by claiming that photographs taken at Love Field show that Mrs. Kennedy had been given a white, stuffed-toy version of the famous Sheri Lewis TV puppet, Lamb Chop. The claim, however, was based on poor-quality images posted on the Internet. High-quality images show that what critics thought was a Lamb Chop toy was, in fact, a bouquet of white asters. (Trask, That Day in Dallas , p.29).

I don't have the Trask book, but if you can find it take a look at page 29 and see if it clears up this non-mystery for you.

The Trask book can be viewed online here (you'll need a free account to fully access it): https://archive.org/details/thatdayindallast0000tras_k3b5/page/28/mode/2up

Here's the photo from page 29. It's white flowers.



And zoomed x 300: