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How could it when it occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming (after a 17-second pause)?
They know, or at least they should know, that a bullet struck JFK's upper back two inches to the right of his spine and exited from near the center of his throat. Their animation showed that bullet would have struck JBC somewhere depending on where they positioned him. They moved him from various positions from directly in front of JFK to well to the left of JFK. They showed the bullet striking JBC just to the left of his right armpit when JBC was slightly to the left of JFK, exactly where he was when the bullet hit. Since we know where JBC was actually struck, logic would dictate he must have been slightly to the left of JFK when the bullet struck him just to the left of his right armpit. Since they provide no explanation for why they determined the SBT was impossible, we are left to guess. My guess is their simulation validates the SBT. It does not refute it.
It is Not FACT. It flies on the Ed Forum. NOT HERE!Dear Comrade Griffith,
Perhaps you should look into it.
That's what I just said, Captain Obvious.
You're too Helicopterto even put forth a theory. All you do is troll.
You just listed three scenarios and only one of them is a two shot scenario. Are you hedging your bets?
Why don't you give us YOUR evidence of a first shot strike or a shot after the headshot. Or are you all in on your two shot scenario? How do you square that with the testimony of Williams, Norman, and Jarman?
You're a lying sack of sh*t. I presented them as evidence of 3 shots. Nothing more. The evidence of the early missed shot lies elsewhere, primarily the statements of JBC and Glenn Bennett and the visible reaction of Rosemary Willis which occurred well before either JFK or JBC showed any signs of being hit.
Yes, JBC did misspeak in his hospital room interview with Martin Agronski. He said he turned left in reaction to the shot when the film showed he turned to his right. Whether that was the result of having been in surgery for much of previous day is matter of conjecture. Even in that telling, he said he was not hit by the first shot which he only heard but did not feel. In every other telling of the event, he was consistent that he heard a shot that did not hit him followed by a second shot that did. He and JFK reacted at precisely the same time, a strong indication they were hit by the same bullet. If JBC was not hit by the first shot and the next shot was the headshot, which shot do you think did hit JBC?
As for Bennett, I will gladly post his entire report:
"Air Force Two landed at Love Field, Dallas, Texas at 11:35 A.M. Upon deplaning, I covered the fence and press areas. The President's plane arrived at approximately 11 :38 A.M. I stayed with the President and First Lady during the time they greeted the crowd on the apron and along the fence. The greeting lasted for about 10 minutes and the President/First Lady entered their car and the motorcade planned to depart. I asked while moving towards the follow-up car what position I should take, Mr. Roberts informed me that I should take the right rear seat of the follow-up. I took this position and held it during the entire motorcade. I left this rear seat position at one point in the trip to assist in getting well-wishers away from the President's auto. About thirty minutes after leaving Love Field about 12:25 P.M., the Motorcade entered an intersection and then proceeded down a grade. At this point the well-wishers numbered but a few; the motorcade continued down this grade enroute to the Trade Mart. At this point I heard what sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head. I immediately hollered "he's hit'' and reached for the AR-15 located on the floor of the rear seat. Special Agent Hickey had already picked-up the AR-I5. We peered towards the rear and particularly the right side of the area. I had drawn my revolver when I saw S/A Hickey had the AR15. I was unable to see anything or one that could have fired the shots. The President's car immediately kicked into high gear and the follow-up car followed.
The President's auto and the follow-up proceeded to the Parkland Hospital. Upon arriving at the hospital's parking lot, I was instructed by ASAIC Roberts to stay with the Vice-President who had followed us into the parking lot. I immediately went to the Vice-President's auto and accompanied him to a room on the ground floor of the hospital. I then continued with the Vice-President back to Washington, D.C. where I was relieved."
It is obvious only to someone who is really, really bad at weighing evidence. Somebody like you.
Nice dodge.
I don't need to extricate myself from anything. I have the guts to stand by my beliefs and when I find the evidence less than conclusive, I'm willing to say that as well.
That's very implausible. Any fragment exiting JFK's skull would have been traveling either upward or rightward, assuming for the sake of argument that the exit wound was exclusively in the right parietal bone (as claimed by the lone-gunman theory). How would a fragment that exited the right side of the skull have magically veered leftward and upward to hit the chrome above the rearview mirror? How would that have worked?
That's even more ridiculous, for the reasons I detail in my ongoing thread https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5176.0.html]Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
Do you understand that your magic head-shot fragment would have first had to veer markedly leftward and upward just to clear both the roll bar and the windshield and get on course to the curb? Do you understand that the Tague curb spot and Tague himself were to the left of the limo at the time? How would a bullet that exited the right parietal bone have suddenly performed like a guided missile to clear the roll bar and windshield while also veering leftward to get on course to the curb over 200 feet away, and how would it then still have had enough velocity to blast a chip from the curb and send that chip streaking toward Tague with enough force to cut his face?
This is the kind of ludicrous, fairy-tale speculation that one must offer to defend the lone-gunman shooting scenario.
That's very implausible. Any fragment exiting JFK's skull would have been traveling either upward or rightward, assuming for the sake of argument that the exit wound was exclusively in the right parietal bone (as claimed by the lone-gunman theory). How would a fragment that exited the right side of the skull have magically veered leftward and upward to hit the chrome above the rearview mirror? How would that have worked?
That's even more ridiculous, for the reasons I detail in my ongoing thread https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5176.0.html]Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
Do you understand that your magic head-shot fragment would have first had to veer markedly leftward and upward just to clear both the roll bar and the windshield and get on course to the curb? Do you understand that the Tague curb spot and Tague himself were to the left of the limo at the time? How would a bullet that exited the right parietal bone have suddenly performed like a guided missile to clear the roll bar and windshield while also veering leftward to get on course to the curb over 200 feet away, and how would it then still have had enough velocity to blast a chip from the curb and send that chip streaking toward Tague with enough force to cut his face?
This is the kind of ludicrous, fairy-tale speculation that one must offer to defend the lone-gunman shooting scenario.
Just to be accurate, Posner's theory is that the alleged lone gunman's first bullet hit a limb of the intervening oak tree -- not a leaf, but a limb. Then, so the theory goes, the bullet's jacket separated from the lead core, and the bullet then sent two large fragments streaking in different directions, one striking the pavement behind the limo and the other magically weaving through the other tree limbs and jetting straight to the Tague curb site over 400 feet away.
Yes, it is fairy-tale material to assume that a supposed "sharpshooter" aimed at JFK's head or upper back but was so wildly off the mark that the bullet hit one of the tree limbs, and even hit far enough up the limb so the limb didn't snap or bend. No sensible, rational, objective person is going to buy such an utterly absurd scenario.
Specter and the FBI recognized immediately that the Tague wounding wreaked havoc on their single-assassin theory, which is why they ignored it for as long as they dared. Indeed, as mentioned, when the WC finally asked the FBI to investigate the Tague incident, the Dallas FBI claimed they could not find the Tague curb scar and theorized that street cleaners had wiped it away!