JFK Assassination Forum

  So, you're in the jury box and 1 attorney talks about "measurements", and then Vinny LaGuardia Gambini gets up and saying nothing, walks in front of the jury displaying the JFK Autopsy BACK Photo. Case Closed!

You're in the minority. Live with it!

Who won the popular vote in 2016?

I gotta ask you, Comrade Storing.

How does your belief that the JFKA was a conspiracy tie in with your love for The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx")?

What kind of conspiracy was it, anyway?

Did the evil, evil Globalist "Deep State" kill JFK?

How many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, the planting of false evidence, the altering of photos and films and x-rays, and the all-important (and ongoing!) coverup?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

Dear Comrade Storing,

How many inches below JFK's shirt collar line and/or the tip of his mastoid process do you think the bullet wound in the autopsy photo is?

The FBI said about 5.75 inches for the former, and the autopsy report said about 5.5 inches for the latter. Are either of these measurements accurate in your humble opinion?

Grok says the above measurements indicate that the bullet wound was in the upper back, near the back-neck juncture.

Do you agree that the autopsy photo shows that the wound is near the back-neck juncture, or do you think it's farther down the back than that?

Do you agree that the bullet caused a fracture of the right transverse process of the T1 vertebra?

-- Tom

   Lotta verbiage and numbers/measurements being tossed around. STOP confusing yourself and others. Simply examine the JFK Autopsy Photo showing the BACK Wound.

Over 70 million Americans also wanted Trump to win.

Dear Herr Schicklgruber I mean Herr Smith,

Over 70 million "useful idiots" wanted Trump to win, thanks largely to fifty-seven years of KGB* disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations waged against us and our NATO allies.

Didn't you know that your boy Trump started laundering money for the Russian Mafia in 1984, and right after he returned from Moscow in September of 1987, he placed full-paged pro-Kremlin "ads" in major newspapers?

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom

You don't know that. That's sheer speculation. You don't have a shred of evidence that the Connally back-wound bullet was yawing or tumbling. Connally's back wound was only 1.5 cm wide, the same width as JFK's rear head wound, yet no one has ever claimed that the JFK rear-head-shot bullet was yawing or tumbling. JFK's head wound was 1.5 x 0.6 cm, while Connally's back wound was 1.5 x 0.8 cm. Yet, again, not a soul has ever suggested that the JFK rear-head-shot bullet was yawing or tumbling.

And, just FYI, quite a few of your fellow WC apologists have long claimed that the bullet that hit Connally's back was tumbling--in fact, a number of them have claimed that the bullet hit him sideways. They've made this claim in relation to the bogus assertion that Connally's back wound was 3 cm wide (that was the size of the wound after Dr. Shaw enlarged it in order to clean and debride it--see 6 H 88; before he did that it, it was 1.5 cm wide). As a matter of fact, Tom Graves said the bullet was tumbling in a recent reply to me:

Anyway, the damage inside Connally’s chest also disproves a sideways hit.  According to Dr. Shaw, who operated on Connally's chest wound, the bullet created a "small tunneling wound" (7 HSCA 149) and he noted "the neat way in which it stripped the rib out without doing much damage to the muscles that lay on either side of it" (4 H 116). The wound's dimensions and the damage inside Connally's chest indicate the bullet hit Connally at a slight angle and was not tumbling or markedly yawing.

https://history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/BigLieSmallWound/BigLieSmallWound.htm

https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/Breakability/Breakability.htm

Uh, no, wrong. The WC SBT test included firing bullets into a tube of cotton wadding. You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

I've already answered this argument, but you just keep repeating it. Again, bullets often do not leave the body. This happens rather frequently. The Parkland doctors saw clear indications that the throat bullet ranged downward into JFK's chest.

LOL! You're the one who has repeatedly proved you don't even have a handle on the basics of the case.

But, now that Tom Graves knows that no SBT test has validated the SBT, he dismisses all the tests because he doesn't think they included the speculation that the bullet was tumbling when it hit Connally's back!

Are you guys ever going to bring yourselves to face the fact that we know that no bullet could have exited the shirt slits because there was no hole in the tie? The FBI knew that releasing all the tie photos would destroy the SBT, which is why they so doggedly resisted releasing them for years.

The shape of the bullet hole in JBC’s back proves it was yawing. It then slid lengthwise along the rib before ending up backwards after striking the wrist and then entering JBC’s thigh where it ran out of energy.

MG---“Again, there was no hole in the tie, only a small nick near the left edge of the tie knot.”

Any clue as to what caused the nick in the tie? Maybe the exiting bullet?

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It is hard to not laugh to think this is what you believe. The bullet was not spinning end for end like a pin wheel. The barrels are designed to spin the bullet on its longitudal axis to keep it stable in flight. You know “rifling.” Given all the nonsense you have posted on the headshot it makes sense that you would think that.

Yawing is the nose of the bullet is slightly tilted up or down.

Since when do bullets traversing different mediums continue on in exactly perfectly straight lines?

Mr. MATHEWS. So we say F-310 and F-114 are consistent with the theory that a bullet could enter one man straight, in a straight trajectory, and on exiting that man be curved slightly? 

Mr. STURDIVAN. Well, let's put it this way. With most military bullets, like the M-193, the bullet would curve almost immediately because the yaw begins to grow almost immediately . With the Mannlicher-Carcano bullet, it is much more stable, the yaw begins to grow much more slowly, and it curves much more slowly. So that at a target of 4 or 5 inches of soft tissue, that bullet would not deviate appreciably from its path. In a much longer track, particularly if the bullet were unstable when it struck, it would in fact deviate from its path. It would not go in a straight line.
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Mr. MATHEWS. On your left, sir . Let me ask you a question in F-114, why did that bullet enter straight and then yaw upwardright behind you? 

Mr. STURDIVAN. The bullet entered straight because it was unyawed in normal flight, and bullets are engineered to be stable and, therefore, it strikes at low yaw. When it is unstable inside the block, naturally unstable inside the block, it yaws dramatically, in every case. All bullets are unstable in tissue, which is 800 times as dense as air . 

 
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How long was the tube of cotton wadding- 300 feet maybe 3000 feet?

What source or trajectory puts the bullet hole in JBC’s back if the bullet does not first traverse JFK? Oh that is right, your Knotts Lab fiasco has it originating in outer space.

In the words of Thomas Canning:

Mr. CANNING. The bullet would have had to have been substantially deflected by passing through the President in order to miss the Governor. It seems almost inevitable that the Governor would be hit with the alinements that we have found. 

Mr. SAWYER. So that if we assume, as apparently is the fact, that this jacketed bullet did not hit anything solid in the way of bone in the President but only traversed the soft tissue of the neck, and presuming the approximate location of the limousine at the time and the posture as nearly as can be determined of the President at that time, that in your view then, absent a deflection of that bullet, it could not have missed Governor Connally. 

Mr. CANNING. That is my view, yes. 

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Mr. DEVINE. Based on-you are classified of course as an expert in your field as an engineer. And on the trajectory studies, would you say that your studies would reveal that it is consistent that there may have been a single shot that went through the Presi4ent's neck and through the body of Governor Connally? 

Mr. CANNING. I am confident that that is in fact the case. 

Mr. DEVINE. You are positive? 

Mr. CANNING. Well, positive is a very strong word. 

Mr. DEVINE. I understand. But it is totally consistent with your studies ; is that correct?
Mr. CANNING. Yes, it is