JFK Assassination Forum

The phrase "Occam's razor" is a bit trite, but in this case...

Inspector Sawyer, evidently a man promoted through the ranks of the DPD, a department that used civil service exams, age 47 and thus not likely senile etc., testified under oath to Belin this:



Sawyer testified the witness said a white male was seen "carrying" a rifle, post JFKA. No clothing description. Sawyer called in the description. Seems clear enough.

The witness may have been unreliable, and the witness evidently then decided to not get further involved.

The word "carrying" does not describe what witnesses saw in the TSBD6 sniper window, which was a figure pointing a rifle towards the motorcade.

If I had seen figure in the TSBD6 window shooting in the direction of the motorcade, I would not say "the figure was 'carrying' a rifle."

I am not sure why, but many witnesses in Dallas back then seemed fearful of getting involved in the JFKA in any fashion. Other people are fearful of publicity or police, and dismissive of official forms and falderal. The witness may have thought, "I have discharged my civic duty, and the rest is up to them."

The most reasonable deduction is a contemporary 11.22 witness told the DPD they saw a white man, approx. 5' 10" 165 lbs, "carrying" a rifle in the aftermath of the JFKA, near or around the TSBD. 

That is likely what happened.

Was the 11.22 witness accurate in his observations? Who knows?

Herr Corbett,

Do you think concentration camp denizens during WW II suffered from Hitler Derangement Syndrome?

(You do believe in the Holocaust, don't you? Or do you think it was overblown, and maybe even a deception op by the Libtard Dems?)

-- Tom

I'm not anti-Semitic like so many on the political left.

I used to think Bill Maher and Jon Stewart were genuinely funny even though I disagree with the politics most of the time. That no longer seems to be the case. Bill Maher is still funny. Jon Steward? Not so much.

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/jon-stewart-makes-prediction-about-donald-trump-s-future/ar-AA23H20m?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=6a0f9ecb99ea4a2db03b174134c15288&cvpid=2aabb13eb9aa4b9885288f07f839894c&ei=41

It seems his TDS has reached the same stage 5 as the rest of the late night non-comedians. I guess stage 5 TDS robs one of their sense of humor. I realize all of them have had their souls crushed by Trump being elected to a second term and I am drawing way too much fiendish pleasure from their pain. The delicious irony of all this is that this is a self inflicted wound for the left. If they hadn't nominated a lukewarm corpse in 2020 and conspired with their allies in the legacy media to get it elected POTUS, Trump would now be out of office and their suffering would now be over. Now they have another 32 months to suffer through the rest of Trump's presidency and he is going to lord that over them ever minute. I am going to sit back and laugh at their misery.

PS. Jimmy Kimmel proposed viewers boycott CBS altogether to protest Colbert's well deserved dismissal. I have a better idea. Let's boycott ABC until they cancel Kimmel.

Herr Corbett,

Do you think concentration camp denizens during WW II suffered from Hitler Derangement Syndrome?

(You do believe in the Holocaust, don't you? Or do you think it was overblown, and maybe even a deception op by the Libtard Dems?)

-- Tom

Whenever one starts with a faulty premise, a faulty conclusion is inevitable, so this exercise seems pointless to me.

That's because you know virtually nothing about the KGB* other than what false defectors, Kremlin-loyal double and triple agents, "moles," and "useful idiot" former CIA officers and espionage writers have told you to believe, and you resist learning the truth about it because you know deep down in your little 'ol cotton-pickin' heart that "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin installed your fascistic con artist hero, The Traitorous Orange Turd, as our "President" on 20 January 2017.

*Today's SVR and FSB

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

A reasonable unbiased person looking objectively at the evidence realizes that the evidence against Oswald is very strong. It is really overwhelming.  There is also strong evidence that three shots were fired from the SN.  Several witnesses saw the rifle in the SN and three men on the floor below heard the three shots from above them. So it is easy to conclude from the evidence that Oswald was the sole assassin.

The problem is trying to reconcile the Zfilm with three shots from a bolt action rifle. Without the Zfilm there would likely not have been a need to invent the SBT.

LNs have been persuaded that Connally was reacting to being shot in the torso by z230.  I don’t know why that is.

When I first studied the issue I read the evidence of Connally and tried to match his evidence to the zfilm.  I had no difficulty seeing that, according to Connally’s evidence, JBC was reacting to the first shot at z230 by turning around just as he said he did after hearing the shot and realizing that an assassination was unfolding.  Further reading of the evidence of witnesses who described the shot spacing made it abundantly clear that there was only one shot by z230; that the second shot which was closer to z313 than to the first.  Then the zfilm started to make sense.

So after the midpoint between the first and last shots is where the evidence says to look for an indication of the second shot hitting JBC in the torso. The motion of JBC beginning at about z271-272 and immediately falling back as Greer turns around fits the evidence perfectly. The hair on the right side of JFK’s head flying up at z273 fits what George Hickey saw at the time he heard the second shot. There are several other indications all pointing to JBC being hit in those frames.

But it is hard to see if you are not willing to even consider it.

Hey, believe it not, I’m still considering it because I just cannot dismiss a supermajority of witness on the 1… 2..3 pattern and I really don’t see the shooter misfiring the 1st shot accidentally or haphazardly aiming because he was excited.

Yours is the only alternative LN theory so no harm testing it out some more. It would be nice though if a computer AI could be used.

I have an alternative about how  JC was sitting in the jump seat which is an adjustment to  that diagram that John Mytton posted earlier in this thread.

My premise is that because JC probably had some respect for that expensive Stetson hat that he would NOT have held the hat upside down if he could more comfortably hold it right side up resting on top of his right leg since he was holding it with his right hand.

It appears on the Z film from Z133-Z190 that JC was maintaining a 45 degree turned right angle of his upper body and looking at the crowd to the right side of limo the whole way.

Therefore i think the most comfortable position would be that JC was sitting on the jump seat with both his legs turned 45 degrees rightward so that he could maintain that 45 degree upper body position without having to twist his torso. And I doubt he would have had half his buttocks off the left side of the seat as in JohnMs diagram. Nor imo would he hold his hat upside over the left side of his left leg because he would have to keep his arm stretched diagonally across his chest to do so. I see no indication his right arm is diagonally across his chest from Z133-Z200, so JohnM diagram is improbable.

Its clear that JC was holding the hat with his right hand palm touching the bottom side of the rim of the hat with his fingers partly in the well of the hat when he suddenly raised the hat up to his chest.

So if both his legs were turned right, the easiest way to rest the hat upright on top of his right leg would be that his right hand was turned palm upwards.

This position rules out a Z224 shot having entered the top of JC’s hand and exiting from the palm because his hand would be palm side up if he held  the hat right side up.

This alternative simplifies  the Z190 shot 1st because now the shot just goes past JC without hitting his thigh, thus apparent absence of physical reaction by JC to being hit by a bullet is no longer an issue.
That bullet exiting JFK slowed down to 1500 ff/sec likely goes  into the middle lower part of the front seat cushion and could have stopped there or if it continued thru, it gets embedded in the lower dashboard. That could be CE 399 which fell out and was found in the limo later or it’s the “lost “ bullet.

The Z270 shot could also be the CE 399 shot because that’s when JC had raised his hat up against or close to his chest and his right hand is rotated with the palm facing away from his chest as the well of the hat is visible.

The Z270 bullet skews thru JCs chest , deflects to exit into his right hand (nose first ) , goes thru the wrist and then maybe it’s still in line to hit JCs inner left thigh ( turned right rather than left) and stop there. Thus it’s basically the same as the SBT, just at a different time and angle.

So if you are able to figure out the angle of the shot going thru JC at Z270 then maybe you can determine if it’s plausible or not that the bullet could go thru JCs wrist where he had his hand up at Z 270 , exit thru his lower palm and continue on to hit his inner left thigh.