JFK Assassination Forum

Naturally when I am providing specific frames to corroborate the various things JBC said, I am going to cherry pick the frames. It would be rather silly to just post random frames.
Because I am correct. It's not like that's a great achievement. All it requires is a working knowledge of the evidence and the ability to apply common sense. The rest is easy.
We can rely on anything JBC remembered that is corroborated by the Z-film. If not for the Z-film, it would be very difficult to determine what JBC said that could be accepted as factual.
Where did you get that one? This was JBC's testimony to the WC:

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time.
No. The Z-film refutes that. He had started to turn in that direction but had not quite squared up when the bullet struck. We are talking about less than a half second difference from the time the bullet struck him until he was facing forward.
Yes it was but according to his testimony, he had no memory of seeing JFK. Perfectly understandable given the seriousness of his wound.
No, I only believe the parts of his statement that conform to what the Z-film shows because I know the Z-film is correct.
I believe in WEIGHING all the evidence. That's the part CTs are not very good at. I'm not one to accept something as factual just because a witness has said that's how they remember the event.

  You're quite amusing.
You're like a Tinfoil Nutter.
If you ever feel like doing any actual research (rather than just swallowing down the WC report like a good little boy) Pat Speer's website is an invaluable resource.
Have a look through the numerous statements Connally gave about the shooting and you will see how unreliable he is as a witness to the event (not that he isn't trying to be totally honest). Here's a small selection regarding the right turn you put so much emphasis on:

(11-27-63 televised interview with Martin Agronsky, transcript printed in the 11-28-63 New York Times.) ”we had just turned the corner, we heard a shot; I turned to my left—I was sitting in the jump seat. I turned to my left to look in the back seat—the President had slumped. He had said nothing. Almost simultaneously, as I turned, I was hit...

His very first statement on the matter made days after the event...he heard the shot and turned to his left!!
Hmmmm...
He appears to recall turning to his left and seeing JFK"slumped". Something not shown in the Z-film.

(12-13-63 FBI report on a 12-11 interview, CD188, p. 3-5)  "I instinctively turned to my right to look back and as I did so I sensed more than I saw that President Kennedy was hit."

Now he turns to his right "to look back".
This is not what we see in the Z-film. He looks to his right at the crowds on the street but he doesn't try to look back

(2-3-64 Associated press article reporting on Connally's comments at the annual Associated Press Texas managing editors meeting)  'I looked back over my right shoulder and could not see the President, so I turned to look over my left shoulder. I never completed that second turn when I got hit.

Wowser!!
In this one he actually looks back over his right shoulder. Something definitely not shown in the Z-film

As for how quick the shooting was...this is from the December FBI report:

When Governor Connally was asked about the elapsed time between the first and last shot he remarked “Fast, my God it was fast. It seemed like a split second. Just that quick” and he snapped his fingers three times rapidly to illustrate the time and said “unbelievably quick…"

Do some research and you won't come across as a buffoon.

The reason fedora man may be lined up with the traffic signal post in Tina Towner’s film is due to the difference in the two lines of sight in Weigman’s film frame versus Tina Towner’s line of sight. From Weigman’s line of sight there appears to be about 21-25/32” distance between fedora man and the traffic signal post. However there is roughly about 12-feet of depth-distance between fedora man and the post when viewing from a line of sight that shows the width of the island (see below image).





James Hackerott and I have worked together several times before on various exercises. His 3D model has always proven to be highly accurate. We have to improvise on the characters and various objects we place in the models. That’s why they sometimes look a little different than reality. But they serve the purpose and that’s what is important.

   BUMP with respect to what little of the Island is behind the traffic signal. Fedora Man was standing very close to the traffic signal. The "getaway" car was on the (R) of the Street Light Pole. That pole is the 2nd pole to the viewer's (R). What we see behind Fedora Man on the Wiegman Film is the Elm St Extension surface street. There is No "getaway" car there at that point in time.
          This image also makes clear why that car STOPPED in the "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone. It was impossible for SS Agents to see this car rambling down the Elm St Ext and then pulling alongside the Island while shots were being fired at the JFK Limo. This was a well planned Conspiracy.

I can't buy the mafia bringing that kind of heat on their organisation.
Killing the President is like waging war against the country. You are taking on the armed forces, all law enforcement agencies and the citizenry. The mafia is an organisation, no one person gets to choose to do something that could bring the whole country down on the rest of the organisation and there's no way they would take that chance.
The mafia worked in silence and secrecy. It pretended it didn't even exist.

And what was the motive? That they were going to be persecuted for being a criminal organisation?
I'm pretty sure that was already going on and they were handling it just fine.

Apparently, the structure of the Mafia at the time was such that a hit on JFK would not have required full "Commission" approval. From what I have read, Marcello and Trafficante could have undertaken it, and certainly with the concurrence of Giancana. I could see something not unlike your scenario - "Just get it done, Carlos [Marcello], and don't tell us how." Marcello in particular had good reason for a visceral hatred of RFK - and he just happened to be the Don of New Orleans and pretty much in control of Dallas. All of the Mafia despised JFK and RFK because RFK's campaign against organized crime was not only a threat but was viewed as a betrayal of promises they thought they had been made when they helped Joe Kennedy get JFK elected. Lastly, a pro-Castro patsy was literally perfect. If the JFKA not only led to the end of his Presidency and the installation of a President whose hatred of RFK knew no bounds but also led to an invasion of Cuba and the restoration of the Mafia's incredibly lucrative Cuban operation - well, WOW! I just don't see any point in the Mafia-did-it scenario where I bump up against a serious plausibility problem. The only serious plausibility issue I have is with those who try to insist the Mafia would've had any use for a loose cannon like Ruby. This leaves me only with the same problem you have: how do bring Oswald into the plot?

Your points of opposition are flimsy, to say the least.
Did Byrd have leverage over Cason, did Cason have leverage over Shelley???
What's with the leverage?
No one is being forced into this. Think of it as a small group of like-minded men who genuinely believe that JFK is something worse than the Anti-Christ (which a lot of evangelical Texans really did believe). The part of America we are talking about seems to specialise in a very extreme and violent way of looking at the world.

Who benefitted from the assassination? Do you mean financially?
If you genuinely believe you are protecting your family, your state, your country and your God, where do benefits come into it? The only people exposed in this plot are Shelley and Dougherty. These are expendable foot soldiers who believe in their own version of the Greater Good.
There is zero exposure for LBJ, Byrd and Cason.
Saying that, LBJ avoided political disgrace and prison thanks to the assassination. Not to mention becoming the most powerful man in the world.
Byrd made untold millions from it.
And Cason's wife had her fantasy of JFK being shot and killed finally fulfilled.

Dougherty - does he really seem like a plausible gunman?

100% he does.
The assassination is sloppy and unprofessional. Its success rested on a gigantic slice of luck. It was an easy shot and the assassin almost blew it. Why not Dougherty? He was in the building at the time. His movements unaccounted for. His own account of his movements is beyond belief. He freely admits to being on the 6th floor minutes before and after the assassination (amazingly, he never has to give an account of what he saw at those times).
On top of that, he seems to have had some sort of mental health issue which might have worked in the conspirators favour if he had been arrested. All Dougherty would have known about the conspiracy is Shelley. If he talked (which I doubt he would) it would have been his word against the word of Bill Shelley.

This theory is tight and plausible.
The only weak point is how Oswald fitted into it.

We could go round and round, but I have a "plausibility problem" with LBJ putting 100% faith in Byrd to get this done (don't tell me how) ... Byrd putting 100% faith in Cason to get this done (don't tell me how) ... Cason putting 100% faith in Shelley to get this done (don't tell me how) ... and Shelley somehow convincing Dougherty. Once the dominoes start to fall, it's likely going to lead right back up the chain - Dougherty knows Shelley convinced him, Shelley knows Cason convinced him, etc., etc., the net result being that LBJ is actually putting 100% faith in Dougherty (or at least in "whomever Byrd finds to carry out the deed"). Is it really plausible that, faced with possible execution, Dougherty is going to remain rock-solid and take the fall or, if he doesn't, that Shelley is going to remain rock-solid and trust in his lawyer's ability to portray Dougherty as a nutcase? For this to work, the participants below LBJ and Byrd would either have to have out-of-control, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of JFK or to have been promised some incredible financial payoff. For this to be plausible, I think you'd have to flesh out in greater detail who Cason, Shelley and Dougherty really were both before and after the JFKA - is there any evidence of this sort of hatred or payoff? And, yes, fitting Oswald into that scenario is a complete head-scratcher to me. I just can't see LBJ taking all these incredible risks; if he wanted JFK dead, I think we'd be talking about a two-person conspiracy - LBJ and some gunman known only to him, and a hit far less complex than Dealey Plaza. Just my $0.02 worth; I realize I'm not going to talk you out of this theory, but I think it would need to be fleshed out in much greater detail.

Well, yes, no professional would use that weapon. I was merely saying that, considering the weapon, the back and head shots were pretty good. If Oswald was a patsy gunman, of course, then it would only make sense to have him use the weapon he actually owned and that would be easily traceable to him. Maybe he'd get lucky and actually accomplish the mission. If he didn't, then our Mafia pro in the County Records Building would do so with ammunition and on a trajectory plausibly attributable to the patsy. Where I actually like this scenario is that (1) it provides us with bad guys with a far, far stronger motive than Oswald would have had, and (2) it doesn't require Oswald to be a half-crazy sociopath, which I don't think he was. I'm not planting my flag in it, but I do see it as a plausible, not-entirely-evidence-free alternative to the LN narrative.

I can't buy the mafia bringing that kind of heat on their organisation.
Killing the President is like waging war against the country. You are taking on the armed forces, all law enforcement agencies and the citizenry. The mafia is an organisation, no one person gets to choose to do something that could bring the whole country down on the rest of the organisation and there's no way they would take that chance.
The mafia worked in silence and secrecy. It pretended it didn't even exist.

And what was the motive? That they were going to be persecuted for being a criminal organisation?
I'm pretty sure that was already going on and they were handling it just fine.