You start with the silly assumption that the time estimates given by various witnesses are spot on accurate. Why would anyone assume such a thing. People don't mentally time stamp things they observe. Why the hell would they? If somebody says something happened at ABOUT 12:15, that could mean 12:10 or 12:20 or sometime in between or outside of those times. To be fair, it is a common practice in the discussion of JFKA for people to accept estimates as fixed times. I've also seen LNs do this as well. I've probably done it myself a few times over the years. The simple fact is that if so-and-so said something happened at about 12:15, we really don't know what time that event happened.

Furthermore, even if these time estimates were spot on accurate, it would not preclude Oswald having fired the shots at 12:30. If Oswald was on the first floor at 12:00 and BRW was on the 6th floor until 12:15, that still leaves the 6th floor all to Oswald for 15 minutes prior to JFK's arrival in Dealey Plaza. Plenty of time to assemble the rifle if he hadn't assembled it already and stack the boxes that formed the rifle rest.

This entire thread is much ado about nothing. I guess after over six decades of futility in trying to find real evidence of a conspiracy, the CTs are getting desperate to find something of significance. Instead they kept coming up with nothingburgers.

You start with the silly assumption that the time estimates given by various witnesses are spot on accurate.

I haven't started with this assumption at all. That's a strawman argument you've invented because you simply cannot provide any kind of coherent counter-argument.
If, as you say, I've started with such an assumption, please point everyone to the post where I've done so.

The rest of your post is utter drivel, as usual.
The usual ranting with nothing to back it up.

Do you deny the WC omitted the elevator race from the final report. Or the testimony of Piper. Or the testimony of Rowland?
Can you argue against my point that the WC deliberately created a false narrative by ignoring all this evidence in favour of the fabrication involving Givens returning to the 6th floor?
Can you do it using evidence rather than your usual bluster?
Can you get involved in a genuine debate?

It can be demonstrated, without any reasonable doubt, that the WC manipulated testimonial evidence in order to create a false narrative.
This is not a conspiracy. It's a simple fact
And I've not even got to the good stuff yet - the testimonies and statements of the six first responders on the scene who place Bonnie Ray's lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest.

As you have already revealed, you have no idea where Oswald was in the minutes leading up to the assassination.
When we look objectively at the testimonial evidence the WC left out of it's report concerning this time, a narrative emerges that calls into question the assumptions that you, and every other Nutter, have made about the shooting.

Furthermore, even if these time estimates were spot on accurate, it would not preclude Oswald having fired the shots at 12:30. If Oswald was on the first floor at 12:00 and BRW was on the 6th floor until 12:15, that still leaves the 6th floor all to Oswald for 15 minutes prior to JFK's arrival in Dealey Plaza


Present the evidence for BRW arriving on the 6th floor so late rather than just blurt it out in desperation.
Use your brain to construct an argument and let's have a debate.

This simple and common sense point is somehow overlooked by those trying to push an early missed shot.
The Sniper's Perch is the arrangement of boxes supposedly used by the shooter to rest his rifle on during the shooting.
This means the boxes were arranged BEFORE the shooting.
This means the shooter had already planned out what he was going to do BEFORE the motorcade arrived.
The arrangement of boxes tell us the shooter had decided that the 'kill zone' was going to be towards the triple underpass.



This is confirmed by the testimony of Ronald Fischer.
Fischer and his work colleague, Bob Edwards, were stood directly across from the TSBD building on Elm Street waiting for the motorcade. Edwards noticed a man on the 6th floor who seemed to be in a cramped, uncomfortable position, he pointed the man out to Fischer and made a joke about him. Something about the man made an impression on Fischer:

"And I looked up and I watched the man for, oh, I'd say, 10 or 15 seconds. It was until the first car came around the corner of Houston and Main. And, then, when that car did come around the corner, I took my attention off of the man in the window and started watching the parade. The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn't watching-uh---he didn't look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Ell Street. And--uh--all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he never-he never moved anything. Just was there transfixed."

This is pretty much what the shooter was staring "transfixed" at:



The shooter knew exactly what he was going to do before the motorcade entered Dealey Plaza.
The area circled in the pic above is where the limo is moving almost directly away from his position. There would have been minimal lateral movement of the target.
He would have been aware of the oak tree and would have taken his first shot once the limo had moved into the open space as shown above. Once the limo had cleared the oak tree he would have had more than enough time to get multiple shots off while the target was in the 'kill zone'.
The idea that he was on his feet trying to shoot through an impossible gap in the half-closed window in an area where he had nowhere to stand is plain stupid.
He knew when he was going to take the first shot before the motorcade reached Dealey Plaza.
That he was going to wait until the limo was in the kill zone circled above is yet even more evidence that the first shot was taken at z222/z223.

Question is did the shooter  test out his  angled box platform by actually placing his rifle atop these boxes in the prelude time he has. I’ve got the shooter not getting to window any earlier that 12:23 because of Jarman WC referring to he and Norman having not started to return to TSBD  until after they heard a radio on a DPD motorcycle reporting the limo about the reach Dealey Plaza. That time was supposedly 12:22. And if Norman and Jarman therefore do not get to their 5 th floor windows till 12:23, then BRW joined them, then BRW had be out of the SN for sure by 12:23.

If BRW left at 12:20 ( not seen again by Rowland after looked up again about 5 minutes after the 12:15 sighting) then where did BRW go between 12:20 and 12:25? Was he just walking around on the 6th floor for 5 minutes?)

If BRW left at 12:16 completely from the 6th floor , there is more time for the shooter to have positioned the boxes and possibly read out his platform by resting the rifle on without being caught in Hughes or Bronx film ( started approx 12:25)

BRW time is the big variable here and it was at the least a mistake by WC to nail down WHERE he was between 12:16 and 12:23.

You start with the silly assumption that the time estimates given by various witnesses are spot on accurate. Why would anyone assume such a thing. People don't mentally time stamp things they observe. Why the hell would they? If somebody says something happened at ABOUT 12:15, that could mean 12:10 or 12:20 or sometime in between or outside of those times. To be fair, it is a common practice in the discussion of JFKA for people to accept estimates as fixed times. I've also seen LNs do this as well. I've probably done it myself a few times over the years. The simple fact is that if so-and-so said something happened at about 12:15, we really don't know what time that event happened.

Furthermore, even if these time estimates were spot on accurate, it would not preclude Oswald having fired the shots at 12:30. If Oswald was on the first floor at 12:00 and BRW was on the 6th floor until 12:15, that still leaves the 6th floor all to Oswald for 15 minutes prior to JFK's arrival in Dealey Plaza. Plenty of time to assemble the rifle if he hadn't assembled it already and stack the boxes that formed the rifle rest.

This entire thread is much ado about nothing. I guess after over six decades of futility in trying to find real evidence of a conspiracy, the CTs are getting desperate to find something of significance. Instead they kept coming up with nothingburgers.

Rolland said he saw 12:15 on  the digital clock on the TSBD roof as he was watching the black man hanging out the SE 6th floor window (thus the SN window higher than the 15.5 in height?) Now there may be some wiggle room here with whatever clock or watch Mrs Reid was using since she’s the one in charge of the group of female employees who began  leaving the 2nd floor lunchroom possibly as early as 12:10 according to some other clock which may have been off +/- 3 minutes relative to the rooftop digital clock.

Presuming Mrs Reid and Roy Truly were managers whom kept clocks in the building in sync as much as practical with the TSBD rooftop clock and if they were off the sort that prefer “on time” work performance then it’s doubtful they would not check those clocks routinely and not let them be lagging behind by as much as 5 minutes relative to the digital clock.

Problem is, I just don’t know for certain. Some managers can be obsessed with being “on time”, while others might not. Mrs Reid the supervisor and Roy Truly the building manager , come across in their WC testimonies as being the more time conscious type of manager.

So if we attempt another sequence of estimations of the various people going up and down the stairs and locations of where they were between 11:45-12:31 then I would start with a variance of clocks being not more than 3 minutes slower or faster than the TSBD roof top clock.

This is the only thing Corbett has posted that is of any significance:

"We also don't know where Oswald was during the time BRW was at the window. He could have been anywhere on the 6th floor and not have been seen by BRW, and he might have been pondering his next move if BRW had remained at the 6th floor window. He might have been contemplating whether to move to the 7th floor if BRW remained in place."

This is a significant shift from the usual Oswald-hiding-in-the-SN nonsense.
The one thing we can say with any kind of confidence is that Oswald WAS NOT in the SN...but that's not really the issue.
The issue is that it has been demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the WC Sham fabricated and omitted key evidence in order to create the narrative that the last time Oswald was seen was on the 6th floor, near the southeast corner, the scene of the shooting.
In order to create this false narrative all testimony and statements regarding the elevator race had to be wilfully omitted as this revealed Oswald was trying to get down to the first floor with the floor-laying crew. Eddie Piper's testimony also had to be wilfully omitted as this revealed Oswald did in fact go down to the first floor and was there around 12 noon.
The numerous statements by Bonnie Ray, that he was on the 6th floor by 12 noon, also had to be omitted from the WC Report.

To replace all this first-hand testimony, the story of Givens going back up to the 6th floor and seeing Oswald there, had to be created.

The reason this new narrative had to be created was to give Oswald time to organise the SN and assemble his rifle (it took an FBI weapons expert 6 minutes to assemble the rifle). With Oswald on the first floor at 12 noon and Bonnie Ray up on the 6th floor at the same time, there was no time for Oswald to assemble the rifle in the SN before Bonnie Ray was up on the 6th floor. Because Bonnie Ray stayed up on the 6th floor for so long, there was no time for Oswald to assemble his rifle in the SN before the limo arrived in Dealey Plaza.

As Corbett speculates - Oswald could have been anywhere on the 6th floor.
He seems to be admitting that the man with the scoped, high-powered rifle spotted by Arnold Rowland might have been Oswald. However, this is more testimony that the WC Sham had to omit. The way Rowland's witness testimony was treated by the WC Sham is it's own scandal. Rowland's observation of the man with the rifle should have dictated the narrative of Oswald's whereabouts in the moments leading up to the assassination. But Rowland's testimony had to be ignored because it held a revelation far more important than the man with the rifle.
Rowland was absolutely insistent that there was a black male in the SN from around 12:15pm until a few minutes before the limo arrived in Dealey Plaza. This was more testimony that had to be ignored.

You start with the silly assumption that the time estimates given by various witnesses are spot on accurate. Why would anyone assume such a thing. People don't mentally time stamp things they observe. Why the hell would they? If somebody says something happened at ABOUT 12:15, that could mean 12:10 or 12:20 or sometime in between or outside of those times. To be fair, it is a common practice in the discussion of JFKA for people to accept estimates as fixed times. I've also seen LNs do this as well. I've probably done it myself a few times over the years. The simple fact is that if so-and-so said something happened at about 12:15, we really don't know what time that event happened.

Furthermore, even if these time estimates were spot on accurate, it would not preclude Oswald having fired the shots at 12:30. If Oswald was on the first floor at 12:00 and BRW was on the 6th floor until 12:15, that still leaves the 6th floor all to Oswald for 15 minutes prior to JFK's arrival in Dealey Plaza. Plenty of time to assemble the rifle if he hadn't assembled it already and stack the boxes that formed the rifle rest.

This entire thread is much ado about nothing. I guess after over six decades of futility in trying to find real evidence of a conspiracy, the CTs are getting desperate to find something of significance. Instead they kept coming up with nothingburgers.

"Wiegman" is definitely lying on the steps, there's a clear shadow under him and in the following GIF, he has not moved forward in relation to the sign.



And at the end he's in the process of getting up!



JohnM

 Hi John,

 Many, many thanks for posting your superb work on the Bell film, re: Wiegman!