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No.  Tippit was not declared DOA at 1:15.
He was declared DOA at Methodist Hispital.
The document also states that the time of death was 1:15.
You're mistakenly mixing the two together.

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The areas on Rose's document where the DOA is written and the actual time of death are in two completely unconnected different sections.
The document does say that Tippit arrived DOA and then the certificate also specifically says the actual time of death was 1:15.
For instance, if someone dies overnight and arrives at the hospital/morgue Dead On Arrival in the morning at 9AM, the time of death obviously isn't 9AM but the Doctor will base the actual time of death on a number of factors, of when he estimates that the actual time of death actually happened.





JohnM
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No.  Tippit was not declared DOA at 1:15.
He was declared DOA at Methodist Hispital.
The document also states that the time of death was 1:15.
You're mistakenly mixing the two together.

This is what happens when you live in your own little reality.

No.  Tippit was not declared DOA at 1:15.
He was declared DOA at Methodist Hispital.


The record shows that the ambulance carrying Tippit arrived at Methodist Hospital, that they tried to revive Tippit and then declared him D.O.A. at 1:15 PM

You can try to play word games all you want, but that doesn't alter the facts.
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The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

In his WFAA interview with Jay Watson just after the events, Zapruder said he heard the first shot and saw JFK reacting. He then heard one or two more shots after JFK started reacting:


It makes no sense that he would fail to hear the first shot.  Everyone heard it. Zapruder was not counting the shots after that first shot and wasn’t sure if there were one or two more after that.
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In this video of the wallet at the Tippit crime scene, the cop with the wallet is randomly waving his gun around, and without a care, even has it aimed close to the hand of the detective who is pointing something out within the wallet and then when the cop hands over the wallet, he quickly points the gun away and more towards himself.
The most likely scenario is that the wallet was being looked at legitimately and also as a bit of a show for the TV camera and thus the cop is a bit flippant with the direction of his gun, but when the civilian approaches and is given his wallet back, the cop responds correctly by diverting the aim of the gun and away from the direction of this civilian.



BTW, I posted this theory on the old Forum and Gary Mack who became a wise wizard, sent me a PM endorsing my theory.

JohnM

Bingo!  We have a winner.
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I notice that the same hardcore CT's that endorse Markham as being a Screwball because of her positive Oswald identification, suddenly have her as being the Master of Space and Time when it comes to her time estimates!! You can't make this insanity up. Hahaha

And since by some, personal anecdotes seem to be considered as evidence, here's mine. Before I could drive I had two options to catch a bus, firstly at the bus stop on my street where a bus would come at intervals of 30 mins or 60 mins, depending on the time of day OR if I missed my local bus I would walk up to the main road where buses came along every 5-15 minutes, so in other words much like at Markham's bus stop where buses came every 10 minutes, the time we arrived at the bus stop was meaningless because it would always only be a short wait till the next bus.

JohnM

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I notice that the same hardcore CT's that endorse Markham as being a Screwball because of her positive Oswald identification, suddenly have her as being the Master of Space and Time when it comes to her time estimates!!

 :D :D ;D
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Neither were the clocks that DPD dispatchers worked with, despite the fact that the supervisor of the dispatchers, J.C. Bowles is on record stating that those clocks were not synchronized and "indicated the incorrect time".

Bowley picked up his daughter from school and schools usually ring there bell on time. If school was out at 1:00 PM, which seems likely to me, and Bowley was already waiting, it is fair and safe to assume he would have left the school at 1:00 PM.
Add on 13 minutes for the drive to 10th Street and he gets there at 1:13 PM, maybe a minute or so after the shooting had taken place.

Markham took the same bus to work every day and she knew she had to be at the bus stop on Jefferson at 1:15 PM, where she would either take a delayed 1:12 bus or the next one at 1:22.
The distance of two blocks she had to walk between 9th Street and Jefferson was (according to the FBI) between 5 to 6 minutes, being approx 2,5 to 3 minutes for each block.
It is highly unlikely that Markham would still be on the corner of 10th and Patton at 1:14 when the shooting allegedly happened.

A third indication that the shooting took place earlier that 1:14 or 1:15 is the fact that the ambulance carrying Tippit arrived at the hospital and attempts were made to revive Tippit until he was declared D.O.A. on 1:15 PM, which is also the time confirmed by DPD officer Davenport, who followed the ambulance to the hospital.

The irony of the LN claim is that all the clocks were wrong except of course those used by the DPD dispatchers. Never mind that the J.C. Bowles said that the DPD clocks did not give the correct time!


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...and attempts were made to revive Tippit until he was declared D.O.A. on 1:15 PM...

No.  Tippit was not declared DOA at 1:15.
He was declared DOA at Methodist Hispital.
The document also states that the time of death was 1:15.
You're mistakenly mixing the two together.
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Where you go off the rails is when you claim Putin installed Trump as POTUS. That is as nutty as it gets. Donald Trump was elected by the Electoral College, just as every elected president except for two were chosen. The electors were chosen by popular vote within each state. Donald Trump won an overwhelming majority of those electors. He won so many that it didn't even matter that there were a handful of faithless electors who chose not to vote for the man they pledged to support. To claim the Putin was responsible for Trump getting elected is absurd. I would be embarrassed to make a claim so silly, even if I did hate Trump as much as you do.

You’re right. It wasn’t just “former” KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin. It was also his predecessors going all the way back to 1959 when the Kremlin, having decided to get us to defeat ourselves, set up top-secret Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today’s SVR) and top-secret Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today’s FSB) to wage disinformation, “active measures,” and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.

But speaking just of Lt. Col. Putin:

Why did he have his SVR and FSB, his GRU, his professional St. Petersburg trolls, and his Oligarchs work so hard to get Trump "elected" in 2016, and how do you know they weren’t instrumental in his carrying the critical swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by less than 80,000 votes combined?

Answers:

1) Not to ensure "better Russia-U.S. relations," but because he knew Trump would do an excellent job of tearing us apart.

2) You don’t.

And I give you January 6, stolen top-secret documents, rising inflation, ICE murders, Project 2025, concentration camps, Presidential corruption like we’ve never seen before, a stronger Iran, a hardened six-story subterranean fortress, and an algae-filled reflecting pool.
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Did Tennent H. Bagley fantasize that Edward Ellis Smith was recruited by the KGB in Moscow in 1956, that CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, was betrayed by a KGB mole in the CIA in January 1957, and that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, sent to the CIA there (Bagley and probable mole George Kisevalter) to discredit what KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies and thereby protect the aforementioned mole from being uncovered?

You've heard of Nosenko, right?

You know, the guy whom another mole in the CIA "cleared" in October 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, and who was, a short time later, teaching "counterintelligence" the to CIA's and the FBI's new recruits?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

Do you think it is a revelation that the Soviets were conducting covert activities against us during the Cold War just as we were doing to them. Where you go off the rails is when you claim Putin installed Trump as POTUS. That is as nutty as it gets. Donald Trump was elected by the Electoral College, just as every elected president except for two were chosen. The electors where chosen by popular vote within each state. Donald Trump won an overwhelming majority of those electors. He won so many that it didn't even matter that there were a handful of faithless electors who chose not to vote for the man they pledged to support. To claim the Putin was responsible for Trump getting elected is absurd. I would be embarrassed to make a claim so silly, even if I did hate Trump as much as you do.
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I notice that the same hardcore CT's that endorse Markham as being a Screwball because of her positive Oswald identification, suddenly have her as being the Master of Space and Time when it comes to her time estimates!! You can't make this insanity up. Hahaha

And since by some, personal anecdotes seem to be considered as evidence, here's mine. Before I could drive I had two options to catch a bus, firstly at the bus stop on my street where a bus would come at intervals of 30 mins or 60 mins, depending on the time of day OR if I missed my local bus I would walk up to the main road where buses came along every 5-15 minutes, so in other words much like at Markham's bus stop where buses came every 10 minutes, the time we arrived at the bus stop was meaningless because it would always only be a short wait till the next bus.

JohnM

Stop it. You're making too much sense.
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The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

So you believe he heard a shot that caused a jiggle even though he said he never heard one?

His WC testimony:
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].

He said he heard the shot that caused JFK to "grab himself" (the first shot he heard) and then he heard the shot that killed JFK (the second shot he heard). Two shots. But nothing about any shots prior to that.

People don't always remember things that happen. It seems odd but there were a lot of people who only remember hearing two shots when a clear majority remembered hearing three. That first shot just didn't register in their brains for whatever reason. Clint Hill is a perfect example of someone who only remembers hearing two shots. He thought JFK was hit by the first shot. This is completely inconsistent with JBC's memory of hearing a shot, feeling the next shot hit him in the back, then hearing the headshot that splattered blood and brains on him. Glen Bennett riding in the same car as Hill heard a shot while looking at the crowd on the right, then turned toward JFK in time to see the next two shots strike him. How do you explain why Hill only remembers two shots and Bennett remembers hearing three. I can't. I can only guess. But I know that is what happened.

The jiggle is a completely involuntary response. The person holding the camera cannot help but react even knowing a shot is going to be fired. Even though the shot didn't register in Zapruder's brain, he would have reacted to it. We see the same kind of jiggle at Z155 that we later see at Z227 and Z318. This is not proof positive of a shot around Z148, but it is highly probative.
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