JFK Assassination Forum

I don't think that quite works. Encountering the presidential assassin would have to have been among the more significant events in Baker's and Reid's dull lives.

The problem with that line of thinking is that neither of them knew Oswald was the assassin. Reid had no idea and Baker was suspicious at first but let Oswald go when Truly vouched for him. No reason for him to pay close attention to what Oswald was wearing.

The difference between a light brown jacket and a white v-neck t-shirt is pretty stark. Baker said "lt. brown jacket" the day of the JFKA and didn't waver at the WC -

That was his impression based on trying to remember what he saw, even though at the time he had no reason to take note of it.

he even suggested it was over some sort of white shirt. Reid said "white t-shirt" the day after the assassination and "not wearing or carrying a jacket" two days later. This is a far cry from the Amazon delivery guy or even me hunting for my wife in Walmart and having no answer other than "clothes" when some employee asks me what she is wearing.

If people don't take note of something at the time they observe it, they are not likely to have a vivid memory of it later. Do you think Oswald was wearing a light brown jacket? Do you think he was wearing a regular white shirt or do you think Oswald was wearing a t-shirt. Do you think Reid was accurate when she said Oswald was wearing just a t-shirt. Reiid and Baker's memories conflict with what Oswald was wearing when arrested. There is ample evidence that he was wearing the same tan shirt and white t-shirt when he left the TSBD that he was when arrested. The link is he was wearing that when  he got on McWatters' bus. We know that because he had McWatters' transfer in his pocket when arrested. He was also observed by his former landlady on McWatters' bus. She remembered seeing a hole in the elbow and there was a hole in the elbow of the shirt he was wearing when arrested. There is one more piece of evidence that tells us Oswald was wearing his tan shirt when he shot JFK. Fivers matching that shirt were found on the butt plate of the  rifle indicating he was wearing that shirt when he fired the shots that killed JFK. He was wearing that shirt when he was arrested. It requires some really bizarre thinking to believe he was not wearing the same tan shirt and white shirt at every place he was seen in between the shots and his arrest.

Corbett,

Like you, I believe the Single Bullet Hypothesis is correct, and that a former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, with or without encouragement or "programming" by the [fill in the blank], murdered JFK by firing three shots at him in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Do you have a problem with that?

--  Tom

I have no problem with that. I wonder why you keep going down every Soviet rabbit hole you come across. The Soviets had nothing to do with the JFK assassination. Neither did Castro, Neither did anyone except little old Lee Harvey Oswald.

I think Kamala should have run for governor of California. That way she could have followed Richard Nixon's path to the White House.

Sitting Vice-President
Lose the presidential election
Two years later lose the governor's race in California ("You won't have Kamala to kick around anymore" speech would be optional)
Go into private practice (OK that's a tough one. What prestigious law firm would hire her?}
In 2030 midterms campaign for congressional candidates around the country, earning favors in return
In 2032 call in those favors and cruise to the nomination.
Win the 2032 general election.

There's one big problem with that scenario. In 1968, the majority of convention delegates were still chosen at state party conventions where Nixon used the creds he banked in 1966. He did well in the primaries but it was the unelected delegates that put him over the top. The decisive move was offering Spiro Agnew the Veep spot in exchange for Agnew delivering the Maryland delegation.

Now, most of the delegates are selected in primaries and caucuses. Kamala is such a bad candidate, there's almost no way she could win a majority through the primaries. I doubt she would still be viable after losing big in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Imagine the state of this country if she had become president having never won a single primary?  That would have been the final straw.  Even the most deranged TDS sufferer must know that she was unqualified to manage a 7-11 much less be president.  Trump spared us that nightmare.  My beef with Trump is that while his policy decisions are sound, he often can't implement them.  And he is often his own worst enemy.  That's Trump, though.  A flawed person.  I'll take him over any these corrupt, incompetent establishment politicians any day of the week. 

To call Tom an LNer doesn't do justice to his wackiness. Yes, he is weirdly devoted to the LN narrative and obsessed with the details of Dealey Plaza, but this is ONLY in the context of the LN narrative being an example of the massive, decades-long KGB Master Plot conspiracy in which Oswald and Marina were operatives. Why he resists another KGB-affiliated gunman or at least some KGB-affiliated helpers in Dealey Plaza, I'm not sure - but he is indeed a hardcore LNer in the context of a massive KGB conspiracy (with even Oswald being on a KGB mission, which would seem to make the JFKA itself a conspiracy).

If anyone cares to, you can trace Tom's evolution at the Ed Forum. I found the very thread - from 2018, as I recall - where someone introduced him to Bagley's book. You can then trace his dawning epiphany, which seems to be related more to Trump than anything else. "Yes, this is it!" you can see Tom saying. "The Master Plot explains The Donald and Putin and everything else, including the JFKA!" He's really working bassackwards from the election of Trump to how this explains the previous 75 years of American history, with the JFKA just being one of the stations of the cross in his Monster Plot theology.

Dear Fancy Pants Rants,

Whether or not self-described Marxist Oswald murdered JFK at the suggestion of or ... gasp ... unlikely orders from the KGB, it is interesting to note that:
1) A true defector, KGB Major Pyotr Deriabin, wrote a day or two after the assassination that Marina Prusakova had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry Oswald and leave the USSR with him

2) A CIA Counterintelligence analyst, Clare Edward Petty, read some WW II VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s and came to the conclusion that George DeMohrenschildt was very likely a long-term (since 1938) "Illegal"

3) Ivan Obyedkov, the KGB security officer at the Soviet Embassy -- who told a forgetful Oswald or "Oswald" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on 10/01/63 that the name of the "consul" he had met with a few days earlier was Department 13-radioactive "Kostikov" -- was a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him (Obyedkov).

Apparently due to fear of a Nuclear Armageddon, this fact caused LBJ, the FBI, and the Warren Commission to not look too deeply at the possibility that the KGB was behind the assassination.

4) The only reason KGB Colonel Valery Kostikov was "Department 13-radioactive" on 10/01/63 and 11/23/63 was because a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA, had told it a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the U.N., Igor Brykin, was "Department 13."

5) The description of the "Oswald" that Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue allegedly dealt with at the Cuban Consulate on Friday, 27 October 1963 strongly matched Raul Castro's and Che Guevarra's mentor -- short, skinny, blond-haired, 35-year-old, very-thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov -- whose cover was "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet Embassy and who, on 22 November 1993, told National Enquirer that he and Oswald had a one-on-one meeting at the Soviet Embassy (not the Consulate) on Sunday, September 29, during which ... yep ... Oswald started weeping and brandishing a revolver (just as he'd allegedly done at the Consulate the day before, but of course Leonov didn't mention that in his article).

-- Tom

Oh yeah, and "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin installed The Traitorous Orange Conman Turd as our "President" on 20 January 2017.

Oswald would have been wearing his tan (light brown) shirt over his white t-shirt. He probably had it unbuttoned part way down so it is easy to understand why some would remember the t-shirt and Baker remembered the shirt as being a jacket. There was really no reason for Reid or Truly to pay close attention to what Oswald was wearing at the time they saw him. Truly didn't consider him a suspect and Reid had no reason to either. Why would they be expected to pay close attention to what he was wearing. Think of how many people you encounter casually during the course of a day. How accurately do you think you could remember what they were wearing? This is why I don't put a lot of faith in human recollections. We tend to remember bits and pieces of what we saw and fill in the blanks with the rest. People just aren't that observant or details. As an example, I saw the Amazon delivery guy drop a package on my porch yesterday. I sort of remember him wearing blue jeans, a blue shirt, and blue cap but I wouldn't bet my monthly Social Security deposit on any of that.

PS. I tried a Banquet pot pie. Not bad but I'm glad I only paid $1 for it.

I don't think that quite works. Encountering the presidential assassin would have to have been among the more significant events in Baker's and Reid's dull lives. The difference between a light brown jacket and a white v-neck t-shirt is pretty stark. Baker said "lt. brown jacket" the day of the JFKA and didn't waver at the WC - he even suggested it was over some sort of white shirt. Reid said "white t-shirt" the day after the assassination and "not wearing or carrying a jacket" two days later. This is a far cry from the Amazon delivery guy or even me hunting for my wife in Walmart and having no answer other than "clothes" when some employee asks me what she is wearing.