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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 07:15:20 AM »It’s a shame a stereoscopic camera wasn’t used here, that would solve everything. I still say it’s Harvey and Lee discussing where to have a bite to eat later on.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Miracle On Elm Street
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 06:56:49 AM »Yes, John ……. from the moment he saw the map of the parade route in the newspaper, the cogs in his demented mind shifted gears to assassin mode.
Did Marina comment/testify anywhere about her beloved Ozzie mentioning the map/route in the paper? The timing of him seeing it matters. Speaking of Marina, has she ever been hypnotised in attempting to retrieve lost/suppressed memories of what he told her? But you’re right, it doesn’t matter if Rowland misspoke or not,
the evidence on the 6th floor of the TSBD still exists.
Did Marina comment/testify anywhere about her beloved Ozzie mentioning the map/route in the paper? The timing of him seeing it matters. Speaking of Marina, has she ever been hypnotised in attempting to retrieve lost/suppressed memories of what he told her? But you’re right, it doesn’t matter if Rowland misspoke or not,
the evidence on the 6th floor of the TSBD still exists.
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re:Donald Trump is a Piece of Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 06:51:13 AM »It means that most Americans didn't fall for the lies, hoaxes, and decade long media propaganda to keep an establishment figure that they could control in the WH. No other such person could have done it. The establishment has a lock on power in this country using the system and money to stay in power. They have run the national debt up to $40 trillion and counting with approximately half of Americans not paying any taxes. That is not sustainable. The only real change will come when that house of cards collapses. None of that has anything to do with your paranoid fantasies regarding Russia. Russia is a paper tiger mired in a stalemate in a war that they could have won in a single week had they the abilities that you attribute to them. This is a self-inflicted situation.
Sez Herr Comrade Smith
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: LHO and Cuban Intelligence
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 05:24:28 AM »The second official investigation into the JFKA, HSCA-1979, concluded otherwise, and found the LNT un-compelling, or implausible.
There were a lot of smart and skeptical guys on the HSCA, and they were not "CIA did it" CT'ers, or head-in-the-sand LNT'ers.
They concluded likely LHO was not the only gunsel on 11.22.
I agree with their assessment.
LOL!
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 04:30:43 AM »Capital punishment cases are largely appealed through the federal court system and attorneys have learned how to delay executions not for years but for decades with appeal after appeal. Recent executions have been for murders committed 25 to 30 years ago. That is a ridiculous amount of time. By contrast, Perry Smith and Dick Hickock murdered four members of the Clutter family in November of 1959. They were captured and tried in 1960 and hanged in April of 1965. Five years seems like plenty of time for appeals to be filed and work their way through the appellate courts. Those sentenced to the death penalty should be given one bite of the apple in appealing their sentences. They should be required to file all of their objections to their conviction and sentencing in one appeal. After those appeals are denied, the only grounds for putting off their date with the executioner would be if they can present compelling evidence they were wrongly convicted.
Let's bring back the electric chair, the gas chamber, hangman's noose, or the firing squad. Let each state should choose the method of execution without concern for whether we kill these Barstewards humanely. They never gave their victims that consideration.
I am not arguing against Capitol Punishment
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:11:22 AM »what does that have to do with what just happened in Tenn?
It's a red state
Capital punishment cases are largely appealed through the federal court system and attorneys have learned how to delay executions not for years but for decades with appeal after appeal. Recent executions have been for murders committed 25 to 30 years ago. That is a ridiculous amount of time. By contrast, Perry Smith and Dick Hickock murdered four members of the Clutter family in November of 1959. They were captured and tried in 1960 and hanged in April of 1965. Five years seems like plenty of time for appeals to be filed and work their way through the appellate courts. Those sentenced to the death penalty should be given one bite of the apple in appealing their sentences. They should be required to file all of their objections to their conviction and sentencing in one appeal. After those appeals are denied, the only grounds for putting off their date with the executioner would be if they can present compelling evidence they were wrongly convicted.
Let's bring back the electric chair, the gas chamber, hangman's noose, or the firing squad. Let each state should choose the method of execution without concern for whether we kill these Barstewards humanely. They never gave their victims that consideration.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: LHO and Cuban Intelligence
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 04:00:23 AM »The second official investigation into the JFKA, HSCA-1979, concluded otherwise, and found the LNT un-compelling, or implausible.
There were a lot of smart and skeptical guys on the HSCA, and they were not "CIA did it" CT'ers, or head-in-the-sand LNT'ers.
They concluded likely LHO was not the only gunsel on 11.22.
I agree with their assessment.
There were a lot of smart and skeptical guys on the HSCA, and they were not "CIA did it" CT'ers, or head-in-the-sand LNT'ers.
They concluded likely LHO was not the only gunsel on 11.22.
I agree with their assessment.
The "LNT'" is that the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was the assassin and the evidence is non-existent that he had any accomplices. Both of those are facts.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Miracle On Elm Street
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:56:50 AM »Do you believe Arnold Rowland saw the man with the rifle at the west end of the 6th floor?
I don't know if he did or not. I know that even if he did, that does nothing to exonerate Oswald. Oswald might have been scouting possible shooting locations for the best possible angle. He could have been contemplating taking a shot from the west end window after the limo turned on to Elm St. He had plenty of time to look over the situation before deciding what his best option was. I'd say he ended up making a very good choice.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:51:17 AM »I answered the challenge.
You asked for a plausible alternative explanation that accounted for your so-called list of evidence and that's exactly what I did.
The WCR wins by default.
That's what this is for you, isn't it - a competition.
What a child you are.
What a dumba$$ you are. I gave you 11 pieces of evidence to explain and your vague one sentence answer that Oswald was framed using his rifle hardly explained those 11 pieces of evidence. You didn't bother to explain how the conspirators got Oswald's rifle. You didn't explain how they got Oswald to bring a long paper bag into work that day. You don't explain how Oswald's palm and finger prints got on the bag. You didn't explain why fibers matching Oswald's rifle blanket ended in the bag. You didn't explain how fibers matching Oswald's shirt end up on the butt plate of the rifle. You didn't bother to explain why Oswald's fingerprints ended up on the boxes that were stacked to form a rifle rest oriented exactly how they would be if Oswald was facing down Elm St. You didn't bother to explain how the conspirators ensured Oswald wouldn't be seen elsewhere at the time the shots were fired. Just a simpleton statement that Oswald's rifle was used to frame him, with no evidence whatsoever that somebody else had used that rifle to kill JFK. Just crazy stuff you have imagined as an excuse to deny the overwhelming evidence of Oswald's guilt.
It's easy to conjure up a vague alternative story to the one the WCR presented. The devil is in the details and you have provided none. The WCR's narrative addressed all of the 11 items and a whole lot more. If we were to give you a grade for your effort, it would be an incomplete.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Today at 12:29:16 AM »As is SOP for CTs, you completely fail the challenge to present an alternative narrative that explains the body of evidence and instead choose to use the diversion of attacking the WC narrative. The reason the CTs ALWAYS resort to this tactic is because they know there is no plausible alternative explanation of the evidence. The WCR wins by default.
I answered the challenge.
You asked for a plausible alternative explanation that accounted for your so-called list of evidence and that's exactly what I did.
The WCR wins by default.
That's what this is for you, isn't it - a competition.
What a child you are.
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