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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 04:29:27 PM »
Quote from: Richard Smith on Today at 04:20:01 PM
Of all the deranged effects of TDS, vandalizing the Reflecting Pool has to rank up there.  Imagine being so consumed with hatred of Trump that some people are pouring chemicals into it, slicing the liner, and then rejoicing.   Completely unhinged behavior but clear evidence of the impact of a decades long propaganda campaign.

Garbage ! Nobody vandalized that pool. With what?

You have to wait 5-7 days for the paint to 'cure'. They didn't do that.
It was painted "American Flag Blue". Dark colors draw sunlight (thus heat) - basic science. Heat blooms algae.
They are pouring in 17% peroxide. 5% is considered safe. Who knows how much quantity. The paint wasn't cured.
Any stagnate pond of water will grow algae FAST Not only is there no vandalism there, there is no simple science in this administration.

Just a lame excuse to cover his latest failure.
The American President is delusional.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 04:27:36 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 11:13:02 AM
Mr. BELIN. Was he asked where he lived?
Mr. HILL. That was the second question that was asked the suspect, and he didn't answer it, either.
About the time I got through with the radio transmission, I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification."
Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out.
I never did have the billfold in my possession, but the name Lee Oswald was called out by Bentley from the back seat, and said this identification, I believe, was on the library card.
And he also made the statement that there was some more identification in this other name which I don't remember, but it was the same name that later came in the paper that he bought the gun under.


Amazing! Hill and Bentley were sitting on either side of Oswald on the back seat of the car. Hill asks Bentley to get Oswald's wallet for the purpose of identification. Bentley called out the name Lee Oswald and then things get fuzzy for Hill. He claims Bentley made a statement about another name, but he can't remember and between 11/22/63 and his WC testimony on April 8, 1964, he does not mention this in any report. And neither did Bentley!

It's hardly credible that two officers sitting next to Oswald simply do not mention having found two different ID's on the suspect of just about their biggest case of their career. But then, Hill isn't a very reliable witness.
In his WC testimony he says that he marked the revolver at around 4:00 PM and that he had the weapon with him until he marked it.

Mr. HILL. This is a .38 caliber revolver, Smith & Wesson, with a 2" barrel that would contain six shells. It is an older gun that has been blue steeled, and has a worn wooden handle.
Mr. BELIN. Have you ever seen this gun before?
Mr. HILL. I am trying to see my mark on it to make sure, sir. I don't recall specifically where I marked it, but I did mark it, if this is the one. I don't remember where I did mark it, now.
Here it is, Hill right here, right in this crack.
Mr. BELIN. Officer, you have just pointed out a place which I will identify as a metal portion running along the butt of the gun. Can you describe it any more fully?
Mr. HILL. It would be to the inside of the pistol grip holding the gun in the air. It would begin under the trigger guard to where the last name H-i-l-1 is scratched in the metal.
Mr. BELIN. Who put that name in there?
Mr. HILL. I did.
Mr. BELIN. When did you do that?
Mr. HILL. This was done at approximately 4 p.m., the afternoon of Friday, November 22, 1963, in the personnel office of the police department.
Mr. BELIN. Did you keep that gun in your possession until you scratched your name on it?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; I did.


But officer Walker testified that, when Oswald was brought into the homicide and robbery bureau, he had the revolver and a card with the name Hidell on it.

Mr. BELIN. After you got down there, what did you do with him?
Mr. WALKER. We took him up the homicide and robbery bureau, and we went back there, and one of the detectives said put him In this room. I put him in the room, and he said, "Let the uniform officers stay with him." And I went inside, and Oswald sat down, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind him. I sat down there, and I had his pistol, and he had a card in there with a picture of him and the name A. J. Hidell on it.

It also does not match the fact that the S & W revolver and a black billfold were submitted to the evidence room, by officer Bardin, at 3:25 PM.

And it gets worse;

Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 11:13:02 AM



JohnM

In his report, Bentley writes "On the way to the City Hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name"

Hill told us in his testimony that Bentley called out the name Oswald, so that must be the name he obtained from the wallet.

Isn't it just remarkable that Bentley doesn't mention the Hidell name at all?

Btw, Bentley also writes that Hill had the revolver and that he marked it before the weapon and the identification was handed over to Lt Baker.


So, we have Hill claiming he had the revolved until he marked it at around 4:00 PM
Bentley says he also marked the revolver before Hill turned it over to Lt Baker
But Walker claims that he had the revolver and the identification when Oswald was brought into the homicide bureau
and there is a receipt showing that at 3:35 PM officer Bardin submitted the revolver and wallet to the evidence room.

It doesn't add up!
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 04:26:48 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 01:14:59 PM
That's a spicy meatball, you got there!

Lest we forget.

57 years after this ad ran, I still say "meesy micey ballsy."

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Undeniable Proof of Fraud: The Impossible JFK Autopsy Brain Photos
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:21:20 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Today at 03:59:00 PM
I should add that the 4-inch difference not only greatly affects the trajectory back to the firing point, but it also greatly affects the bullet's trajectory through the head and its exit point. Even someone with just a high-school-level grasp of geometry can easily discern this.

Way back in 1976, researcher Howard Roffman pointed out that the photos and x-rays of the test skulls used in the WC's head-shot wound ballistics test prove that not one of the FMJ bullets that hit at or near the EOP site created an exit wound even close to the location of the exit wound described and illustrated by the autopsy doctors. All the exit wounds included a large part of the bones under the face, which is exactly what you would expect from an FMJ bullet entering near the EOP at a downward angle of 15 degrees. Many other scholars have noted this contradiction, including Dr. David Mantik:

Then there is the matter of a shot from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). WC’s ballistics expert, Dr. Alfred Olivier, used the Mannlicher-Carcano to shoot at human skulls. Firing from a position above and behind, he aimed at the low occipital entry identified in the autopsy report. This bullet blew out the right side of the face (Figure 2). (JFK Assassination Paradoxes, 2022, p. 3)

Of course, the exit wounds from the WC test skulls also bear no resemblance to the revised version of the exit wound described and illustrated by the HSCA's medical panel (FPP). This is one of the problems that Howard Donahue identified with the FPP's version of the exit wound. Many other scholars have also highlighted this contradiction.

The unsolvable trajectory problem posed by assuming the rear head shot came from the sixth-floor window is why Larry Sturdivan, who accepts the EOP site, has had to float the specious theory that after the bullet entered the skull, it somehow, someway suddenly veered sharply upward, something that not one of the FMJ bullets in the WC's test did. This is also why the WC's experts could only get the EOP-site's trajectory to "work" by assuming that JFK's head was tilted well over 50 degrees forward when the bullet struck.

The WC's test skulls were actual human skulls that were filled with ballistics gelatin and that had gelatin on top of the outer table of the skull to simulate the soft tissue covering human skulls. Dr. Alfred Olivier, who conducted the test, explained this to the WC:

Dr. OLIVIER. Human skulls, we take these human skulls and they are imbedded and filled with 20 percent gelatin. As I mentioned before, 20 percent gelatin is a pretty good simulant for body tissues.

When I say 20 percent, it is 20 percent weight of the dry gelatin, 80 percent moisture.

The skull, the cranial cavity, is filled with this and the surface is coated with a gelatin and then it is trimmed down to approximate the thickness of the tissues overlying the skull, the soft tissues of the head. (5 H 87)

Howard Roffman was the first to point out that the bullet fragmentation seen in the two released x-rays of the test skulls looks nothing like the bullet fragmentation seen in the JFK autopsy skull x-rays:

These x-rays depict gelatin-filled human skulls shot with ammunition of the type allegedly used by Oswald. They were classified by the government and remained suppressed until recently; they are printed here for the first time ever. What they reveal is that Oswald's rifle could not have produced the head wounds suffered by President Kennedy. The bullet that hit the president in the head exploded into a multitude of minuscule fragments. One Secret Service agent described the appearance of these metal fragments on the x-rays: "The whole head looked like a little mass of stars." The fragmentation depicted on these test x-rays obviously differs from that described in the president's head. The upper x-ray reveals only relatively large fragments concentrated at the point of entrance; the lower reveals only a few tiny fragments altogether. This gives dramatic, suppressed proof that Oswald did not fire the shot that killed President Kennedy. (Photo: National Archives) (Presumed Guilty, 1976, photo pages 8 and 9, chapter 5)

This is MTG acting as if gunshots can be duplicated. Gunshots are like snowflakes. No two are exactly alike.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Richard Smith on Today at 04:20:01 PM »
Of all the deranged effects of TDS, vandalizing the Reflecting Pool has to rank up there.  Imagine being so consumed with hatred of Trump that some people are pouring chemicals into it, slicing the liner, and then rejoicing.   Completely unhinged behavior but clear evidence of the impact of a decades long propaganda campaign.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Richard Smith on Today at 04:17:04 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on June 19, 2026, 09:20:16 PM
Interesting that you ignored the fact that Barrett said it was a wallet.

why the folks who are involved in framing Oswald suppress a highly incriminating piece of evidence left at the murder scene?

You keep repeating this BS when you've already been told that nobody claims that a wallet found at a murder scene was suppressed.

If a wallet was suppressed it was the one taken from Oswald in the car by Bentley.

Think about how idiotic it is to suggest that the investigators found or planted Oswald's wallet at the Tippit murder scene but then decided for some inexplicable reason to claim it was found on his person.  Wow.  Mind blowing.  Can you understand that a wallet left at the murder scene would be highly incriminating in linking the owner of the wallet to that crime?  And the kicker is that these are the very same investigators you otherwise imply are involved in a conspiracy to frame Oswald.  Here, however, you suggest they are doing exactly the opposite by covering up the discovery of his wallet at the murder scene.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Undeniable Proof of Fraud: The Impossible JFK Autopsy Brain Photos
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Today at 03:59:00 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:43:19 PM
Translation: You have no clue how to explain the evidence I've presented, and you've run out of flimsy dodges and specious arguments.

Your howler that a 4-inch difference in the rear head entry wound's location is no big deal and does not matter will go down as one of the all-time gaffes in this forum. Not even the worst WC apologists have been so clueless and silly as to make that laughable argument. Did you just not study basic geometry in high school?

I should add that the 4-inch difference not only greatly affects the trajectory back to the firing point, but it also greatly affects the bullet's trajectory through the head and its exit point. Even someone with just a high-school-level grasp of geometry can easily discern this.

Way back in 1976, researcher Howard Roffman pointed out that the photos and x-rays of the test skulls used in the WC's head-shot wound ballistics test prove that not one of the FMJ bullets that hit at or near the EOP site created an exit wound even close to the location of the exit wound described and illustrated by the autopsy doctors. All the exit wounds included a large part of the bones under the face, which is exactly what you would expect from an FMJ bullet entering near the EOP at a downward angle of 15 degrees. Many other scholars have noted this contradiction, including Dr. David Mantik:

Then there is the matter of a shot from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). WC’s ballistics expert, Dr. Alfred Olivier, used the Mannlicher-Carcano to shoot at human skulls. Firing from a position above and behind, he aimed at the low occipital entry identified in the autopsy report. This bullet blew out the right side of the face (Figure 2). (JFK Assassination Paradoxes, 2022, p. 3)

Of course, the exit wounds from the WC test skulls also bear no resemblance to the revised version of the exit wound described and illustrated by the HSCA's medical panel (FPP). This is one of the problems that Howard Donahue identified with the FPP's version of the exit wound. Many other scholars have also highlighted this contradiction.

The unsolvable trajectory problem posed by assuming the rear head shot came from the sixth-floor window is why Larry Sturdivan, who accepts the EOP site, has had to float the specious theory that after the bullet entered the skull, it somehow, someway suddenly veered sharply upward, something that not one of the FMJ bullets in the WC's test did. This is also why the WC's experts could only get the EOP-site's trajectory to "work" by assuming that JFK's head was tilted well over 50 degrees forward when the bullet struck.

The WC's test skulls were actual human skulls that were filled with ballistics gelatin and that had gelatin on top of the outer table of the skull to simulate the soft tissue covering human skulls. Dr. Alfred Olivier, who conducted the test, explained this to the WC:

Dr. OLIVIER. Human skulls, we take these human skulls and they are imbedded and filled with 20 percent gelatin. As I mentioned before, 20 percent gelatin is a pretty good simulant for body tissues.

When I say 20 percent, it is 20 percent weight of the dry gelatin, 80 percent moisture.

The skull, the cranial cavity, is filled with this and the surface is coated with a gelatin and then it is trimmed down to approximate the thickness of the tissues overlying the skull, the soft tissues of the head. (5 H 87)

Howard Roffman was the first to point out that the bullet fragmentation seen in the two released x-rays of the test skulls looks nothing like the bullet fragmentation seen in the JFK autopsy skull x-rays:

These x-rays depict gelatin-filled human skulls shot with ammunition of the type allegedly used by Oswald. They were classified by the government and remained suppressed until recently; they are printed here for the first time ever. What they reveal is that Oswald's rifle could not have produced the head wounds suffered by President Kennedy. The bullet that hit the president in the head exploded into a multitude of minuscule fragments. One Secret Service agent described the appearance of these metal fragments on the x-rays: "The whole head looked like a little mass of stars." The fragmentation depicted on these test x-rays obviously differs from that described in the president's head. The upper x-ray reveals only relatively large fragments concentrated at the point of entrance; the lower reveals only a few tiny fragments altogether. This gives dramatic, suppressed proof that Oswald did not fire the shot that killed President Kennedy. (Photo: National Archives) (Presumed Guilty, 1976, photo pages 8 and 9, chapter 5)
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Wound In Gov. Connally's Back
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Today at 03:22:20 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on Today at 12:29:29 AM
There is so much nonsense and wrong-headedness in this post (as usual) that I can't be bothered trawling through it trying to straighten out all the misconceptions, misinformation, disinformation and misunderstandings.
As usual, I'll pick the misunderstanding I believe is most relevant to the discussion:

Why do you think it is cartwheeling? Yawing was the description I always read. Nose up or down.

I don't believe it was cartwheeling.
That's the whole point I was making.
The bullet didn't cartwheel or tumble or rotate or hit anything backwards.
That's the point I'm making.



That's the point I'm making.

You are not making any point or sense for that matter.  No one mentioned a bullet spinning 1000 rpm but you. You can’t even get your part right. JC said he didn't, that was all you. No one ever has, congratulations you are finally the first at something.

God, would you please clue in just once. Another post with all forms of nonsense front to back and top to bottom. And now here we have it, everything but what is relevant to yet another theory. A little reading on your part and you could have answered this for yourself. Obviously, the nerve I struck was the one that tethered you into reality. Dr Shaw completely ended your theory with just several statements. They were conviently listed for you. You know the ones you refused to acknowledge.

Even if you had done nothing more than reviewed the Knotts Lab cartoon, the answer to JBC’s wound trajectory through his body and the impossibility of it having been from a separate shot would have been answered for you. A direct shot nose first bullet would have created different wounds than the ones described by the Parkland Doctors and according to Knotts Lab would have originated from an altitude high above the vacant lot between the TSBD and the RR Yard.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: LHO as KGB, G-2 Asset or Double Agent?
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Today at 03:22:14 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 14, 2025, 11:52:33 AM
Thanks for your collegial comments.

The HSCA concluded there had been a gunshot from the GK, and certainly many witnesses thought so. Sam Holland and co-workers thought they saw smoke on the GK. 

Modern guns can and do smoke, depending on the ammo, and how recently the barrel has been lubed. A snub-nose .38 gives off more smoke than guns with longer barrels, and makes a louder bang, and is easily concealed. Even gun enthusiasts report lots of smoke from "cheap ammo" such as the "Egyptian" brand.

A Dallas sheriff and a Dallas PD officer both said they encountered a man flashing Secret Service credentials on the GK.

As for the acoustical evidence...I don't understand any of it.

I can see the Z-film on line, frame by fame, draw my own conclusions.

So as I say, IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
The HSCA did not conclude there was a gunshot from the GK.

Here is what they said (note the qualifiers in the phrasing):
 

A high probability is not a conclusion. And "other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen" is not a conclusion either.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 01:17:50 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 01:14:59 PM

At the time, recovering the Murder Suspect's Identification at the Tippit crime scene would be the most powerful evidence of all, but Westbrook says Jack Crap about the suspects Wallet.

JohnM

 ::) So what? - They didn't ask him.
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