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i remember back in 1972, Gerorge McGovern in a desperate attempt to save his campaign, proposed giving everyone a check for $1000. if you adjust for inflation, that's an even bigger handout than what is being proposed now. It didn't help. He lost 49 of 50 states, winning only Massachusetts and DC. Handouts don't give anybody greater buying power. They just give everyone a temporary sugar high.
 
1972 was the first election I voted in and being a brain damaged liberal back then, I cast my first vote for McGovern. I never regretted that decision. Even though my political POV has changed, McGovern was a much better man than Nixon from a character standpoint.
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Some connections of the Skull & Bones members:

- George H W Bush - In Dealey Plaza 11/22.  Panicked Alibi; no memory of where he was; 2422 Sheraton Hotel
- Malcolm Wallace - LBJ used him as a killer, part print found on carton in TSBD. 
- Clark Clifford - Him and Hoover first contacts to be brought up to speed following CIA Garrison Meeting Number 1
- James Jesus Angleton - Top of the tree monitoring Oswald, blackmailing Hoover and LBJ.
- McBundy George - Signed NSAM in contradiction to JFK's wishes on 11/21
- Prescott Bush - involved in Bay of Pigs operation
- Henry Luce - Owner of Time.  Is this Time Life and concealing the original Zapruder film?

Can anyone name any more and add to the connections?

Billy Graham
Pope Paul VI
Mother Teresa (aka Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu)
The Mormon Tabernacle Choir

These were just the ringleaders.
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If you look at what Corbett wrote he's not necessarily saying I'm wrong...


Not this time.
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Sitzman and Johns are completely irrelevant regarding the issue being dealt with.
How firm is the Weigman ID in Bell?
It's 100& Weigman.
You already accepted this ID but are now backtracking for some reason.
YOU must do your own analysis of the Weigman footage to determine his position when he filmed the Hesters.
You will see hie is approaching the concrete platform, just before he starts filming the Hesters his camera points downwards to reveal he is lying on this platform, thge footage is taken from floor level and use the pillars in the background to determine his reletive angle to them (I've already done this in an earlier post).
When you've done this analysis you will be 100% convinced it is Weigman in Bell.
When you are convinced of that consider the following from my previous post:

1] You accept Altgens 8 shows the Hesters both lying on the grass while Zapruder and Sitzman are by the pedestal.
2] The Bell footage showing only Mrs Hester on the grass and her husband hiding out in the pergola while Zapruder and Sitzman are still moving about by the pedsestal.

The Weigman footage shows the moment Charles Hester gets up and moves to the pergola, heroically abandoning his wife.
The Weigman footage captures the moment that connects point #1 to point #2.
Are you suggesting Zapruder and Sitzman disappear between after point 1 (Altgens8) and reappear at point 2 (Bell)?
Or is it more plausible that, as Weigman runs towards the Hesters, Zapruder and Sitzman are still on top of the pedestal but the footage is too poor to pick them out?
We know Zapruder and Sitzman were still on top of the pedestal while Weigman was running towards the Hesters from the synchronisations provided by the JFK Theorist and me in this thread.
So - can you accept that the Weigman footage is too poor quality to show Zapruder and Sitzman still on the pedestal as Weigman runs towards the Hesters?

   I am going to stop you at your very 1st point. Sitzman was needed to steady Zapruder on the pedestal. She would have needed to help him down from that same pedestal. She is also supposed to have then gone inside the shelter with Zapruder. Based on Sitzman telling Josiah Thompson that after she got down from the pedestal, she then went DOWN to the BOTTOM of the Knoll, makes this age old stuff of Sitzman sticking to Zapruder another JFK Urban Legend. Like the bucket sitting next to the JFK Limo being stored inside the JFK Limo trunk, and Barber's thread dismantling JFK clutching at his chest/throat. If YOU are going to establish timelines, you need to stick to the FACTS. Not JFK Assassination Urban Legends that mirror the clap trap connected to the Lost Dutchman's Mine. And "snychronisations" are Not Facts. The Wiegman Film is a FACT. Sitzman and Zapruder are Not on the Pedestal or near the Pedestal on the Wiegman Film. The frames showing they are Not There are shot from Elm St and from the Knoll. 2 different views at 2 different points in time.
    On "Unsolved History JFK Death In Dealey Plaza" (2003) Discovery Channel, Gary Mack takes Wiegman on a walk-through there on the Knoll. Wiegman then describes what he did on the Knoll. At NO POINT does Wiegman mention running across the knoll like that figure we see on the Bell Film. You need to establish what is FACT and what is JFK Assassination Urban Legend/Clap Trap. To this day, NOBODY including Wiegman himself has EVER verified the figure we see running across the Knoll on the Bell Film is Wiegman.   
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:56:01 PM »
Reports of following cars smelling Gun powder at the corner of Elm, too. Where would that have come from except storm drain at corner.

                                     "Where would that have come from except storm drain at the corner"

                                           There is the AR-15 that SA Hickey was waving around.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 06:00:43 PM »


They literally are forced to disappear me entirely because otherwise they know what they have done will condemn them...

And we are forced to watch them refer to themselves as practicing the highest standards...

If you look at what Corbett wrote he's not necessarily saying I'm wrong...

Is DiEugenio's lack of response to MTG part of a new political environment between himself and Iler?...
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Tow truck driver Henry Wiggins felt like he had been set up to witness Meyer's murder...

The paper work for the disabled car disappeared after the incident...
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I would enjoy reading some specifics. Crump had no unambiguous alibi, was identified as being in the vicinity of the victim shortly
before her death, did not, according to a neighbor, leave home that morning carrying any fishing gear, jumped in the canal near the
scene of the crime, and gave several conflicting versions of where he was and what he was doing at the time of the murder, or even
whether he was  asleep or awake at the time, alone or with someone else, or heard shots, or not. There was a strong circumstantial
case justifying his prosecution. He was not found innocent by the jury. His lawyer, Ms. Roundtree's conflicting accounts of the points
I touched on above are troubling, not persuasive. So was author Peter Janney's cherry picking of her differing accounts.

Ralph Geb was 20 years older than Oswald. Who would plan a scenario of a 44 year old attempting to impersonate a 24 year old?


dang, I missed this one, kind of has some neat things going on.  Crump and Oswald, together at last ?
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really is like Groundhog Day here eh, John ? lol.  all these threads and retreads of threads, over and over and over.  you’re getting really good at playing jfk whack-a-mole, i must say.

but yes, Albert……. no one at the other forum has started a thread devoted entirely to
you à la Parker’s Place.  they really loved you over there, Albert, huh ?  when is the education forum going to start talking about you ?  where’s your thread?
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Baden was one of several members of the HSCA's FPP who believed that "when the body is repositioned in the anatomic position (not the position at the moment of shooting) the direction of the missile in the body on initial penetration was slightly upward". They were wrong. The majority of that 9 member panel disagreed with them. You have falsely claimed that "several members" equals a majority.

The FPP determined that the entry wound was superior to the ribs. T1 being the uppermost vertebra of the ribs.

Humes was not responsible for the drawings. His placement of the wound on the drawings was too high. However, his testimony that the wound was in the low neck was probably correct.

The Clark Panel measured the entry wound to be about 5.5 cm below a transverse fold in the skin on the back of the neck. The HSCA FPP measured it to be about 6 cm below the skin fold. The Clark Panel measured the wound in the throat to be about 9 cm below the skin fold. The entry wound was above the wound in the throat. It's obvious when viewing the posterior view and the left lateral view of the body that the entry wound was above the wound in the throat. CTs who refuse to admit it will not place a mark on the left lateral view at the level of where the entry wound was because they are incapable of admitting that they are wrong.

One thing that has occurred to me recently that I should have figured out a long time ago is that the FPP, made up of some of the finest forensic medical examiners in the country, were working out of their element. Normally, these guys would be working with a corpse to determine the cause of death. In this case, they were working with two dimensional photos which in some cases would have made it difficult to get precise measurements. X-rays would have looked the same, but it would have been challenging working with photos as opposed to an actual body. This would have been especially difficult given the skull was shattered and needed to be pieced back together as best they could from the photos. They did concur with the original autopsy finding that JFK was struck twice, and only twice, by shots fired from above and behind him. That is the important issue in helping determine who fired the shots.
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