JFK Assassination Forum

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Sure, official KGB and Khruschev may not have been involved in the JFKA (although James Woolsey, a former CIA director, thinks they were. You do not. Woolsey has street cred up the wazoo.)

Setting aside Woolsey...there are always lower-level factions at work in any large organization.

I lean more to G2 involvement.

Obviously, LHO was capable of the JFKA---see LNT theorizing, much of which holds water.

So why wouldn't G2'ers graft LHO into an ad hoc, informal JFKA plan?

They got lucky. JFK was coming to Dallas, to ride in a motorcade in front of LHO's perch.

At bottom, there is no way a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle got a shot off at Z-295, and then one at Z-313. Let alone the GK smoke-and-bang show.

Who were LHO's most likely confederates?

I will admit that these sorts of discussions make my eyes glaze over. FWIW, Orr was not satisfied with the Knott Lab effort. Larry Schnapf said at the Ed Forum in January that an improved analysis by "Orr's team" would be ready in a month and provided to the Luna Committee. I've seen nothing further on that. Here is what Larry said in January:

John Orr's team is finalizing an improved 3D animation which is superior to the version that Knott Labs used. It will be ready by the end of the month and will be shown to representative Luna.

The criticisms of the knott Lab work product are not meritorious. The trajectory analysis was based on the positions of JBC and JFK at two precise moments in time. It is far more accurate than Myers' cartoon which misrpresented the spatial positioning of the bodies,  the relative sizes of the two men as well as the limo configuraiton. Myers' cartoon was designed to support the SBT. It is not an objective analysis. Orr's 3D model is the most accurate recreation to date.

Orr's model uses modern photogrammtery to incorporate all extent photos, precise measurements of the limo and used drone technology to scan DP even taking into account the roadway was paved several times since the assassination. John Orr has used his model test the SBT but the model can be used to test ANY trajectory. Someone just has to be willing to pay for the work to develop the trajectory. the model has all the necessary data.

Also FWIW, some of the photos on this thread are from this Texas Investigates site, which has superb photos of JBC's clothing: https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

EDIT: Larry discusses the status of Orr's work on this active thread at the Ed Forum: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32088-lone-nut-proponents-failure-to-reckon-with-alvarez-fraud/page/25/#comment-595616

Larry says he is frustrated that the work is taking so long and that they missed the Luna deadline.

   Knott Lab put the SBT to bed with FORENSIC SCIENCE that is routinely admitted in courts across this country. "Hagg team" and "experiments"? 

Whether it comes from Knott Laboratory or you average CT, every time I see somebody saying the SBT is an impossibility, I almost never see an explanation of why it is impossible. It's as if the CTs think it suffices to say it's impossible. I tried to google Knott Laboratory's explanation and this is all I could find:

“The shooting position, bullet exit point on President Kennedy, and entry point on Governor Connally should all be reasonably in line. When drawing this line from the sixth floor perch of the Texas Book Depository to the positions of the two men and their entry/exit points, we found a significant angle difference. This case is ongoing, but evidence strongly suggests there is more to the story in this historic event. Modern science refutes the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.”

It seems to me if they really did a detailed analysis on par with what Dale Myers has done, they should have been able to come up with something a little better than the wounds didn't line up. Myers computer animation showed the wounds lining up perfectly. In the later 1980s another company, Failure Analysis using less sophisticated technology than what would become available in the coming decades. also showed the wounds line up.

Knott Laboratory's work was paid for by dedicated CT John Orr. Could it be they had a vested interrest in coming up with the conclusion they did? Just asking.

Secret Service, FBI, CIA, DPD, LBJ and probably others - they all had CYA reasons for a post-JFKA cover-up of one degree or another.

Another one of my little epiphanies is a quote from Gerry Patrick Hemming (of all people): "I know for a fact there were plans to assassinate JFK. Maybe Oswald just beat 'em to it." I think it's entirely possible that what the best CT researchers (like Hancock) are uncovering were indeed assassination plots at one stage or another of seriousness. Researchers encounter difficulty in fitting Oswald and Dealey Plaza into such plots BECAUSE HE WASN'T PART OF THEM. He may have even been aware that talk of an assassination was in the air - but when Fate handed him an opportunity on a golden platter, he "just beat 'em to it."

I could buy that except for the timing of the shots and the shallow angle between the back and throat wounds (regardless of whether or not the bullet went on to hit JBC). While eyewitness testimony is not reliable, many recall two of the shots being much closer together than the third shot. There is disagreement as to whether the first two shots or the last two shots were close together but it was noted even by law enforcement officers. When the Discovery Channel recreated the SBT, the shot emerged from JFK’s chest as shown by their own highlighting of the trajectory and the ersatz autopsy drawing they made up to be evaluated by an independent forensic examiner who concluded there were two shooters. However, a shot from a lower floor of the Dal-Tex building looks like it would have worked.

I think it’s possible Oswald gave one of the shooters access to the TSBD and perhaps acted as a lookout. Could he have left the building so soon afterwards to deliberately draw attention to himself and away from someone else? A deliberate “patsy”? If he was put up to it by pro-Castro Cubans, could he have been promised refuge in Cuba? Maybe they had no intention of honoring that promise and he was supposed to be killed but he was captured first.

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There are oodles and gobs of doubts, but there are no rational doubts for the simple reason that they all have plausible explanations.

To think otherwise is to accept the ludicrous idea that oodles and gobs of evil, evil, bad guys planned the assassination, "patsied" the "patsy," planted the evidence, did the shooting, pulled off the getaway, and are STILL covering it all up after 60-plus years.