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Blah Blah Blah ! Does nothing to change the fact:
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot

Yawn, is that all you got, Capasse?, You're a one trick pony and you can keep repeating some desk jockey's opinion till you're blue in the face, but the fact remains that the NCO in charge of the Marksmanship Training Unit Armory at the Marksmanship Training Unit in the Weapons Training Battalion Marine Corps School, Quantico, Va. tells us that as compared to the average male, Oswald was an Excellent shot.
And don't forget there is a reason for the Marine qualifications and a Marksman still qualifies as a Marine. So despite some pen pushers opinion, Oswald on the strength of his abilities would be defined as a capable Marine. Case closed!

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Is qualifying as a marksman good enough to be a marine?

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Yes, qualifying as a "Marksman" is absolutely good enough to become and remain a United States Marine. It is the minimum passing score required on the rifle range, allowing you to earn your official Marksmanship badges (United States) and fulfill the service's foundational "Every Marine a Rifleman" requirement.

The hierarchy of marksmanship qualification in the USMC consists of three passing levels:
Expert: Scores between 305 and 350
Sharpshooter: Scores between 280 and 304
Marksman: Scores between 250 and 279 (affectionately known as the "pizza box" due to its shape)

While achieving a Marksman score means you passed, there are still key reasons many Marines strive to score higher:

Professional Advancement: High marksmanship scores yield points that positively impact your promotion chances. Consistently shooting Marksman—especially if you fail to improve over time—can make it harder to stand out against peers.

Graduation and Retention: Failing to achieve the minimum Marksman qualification can get a recruit dropped from training or a Marine administratively separated from the United States Marine Corps altogether.
While achieving Sharpshooter or Expert badges will earn you more bragging rights and professional points, simply qualifying as a Marksman proves you meet the baseline standard of a capable Marine

BTW, just think for a moment, if being a Marine "Marksman" qualifies you as a "poor shot", why the heck would the Marines who pride themselves as being Elite soldiers accept someone who couldn't shoot?

JohnM
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GC--

Thanks for your question, and it is a fascinating one.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

In my layman's review of the Z-film, Gov. JBC is pushed forward ~Z-295. That's my best guess of when JBC is shot.

There is an additional curiosity that the slug that slammed JBC's wrist entered through the dorsal side, or about where you would normally wear a wristwatch face. That is what Dr. Gregory said.

The problem is, that is nearly anatomically impossible, if the bullet first passed through JBC chest. Try touching the face of a wristwatch to your chest.

I don't know when JBC received his wrist wound, or from where it came.

My contention is JBC was struck from behind ~Z-295.



My contention is JBC was struck from behind ~Z-295.

At Z295 JBC is lying back in Nellie's lap.
Perhaps I'm missing something but would it be possible for you to explain, in a sensible way, how he could be shot in the back from the Sniper's Nest in the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD building while lying in Nellie's lap.
Or is it your contention that Nellie shot him? I don't really follow what you post so I'm not sure.

As for JBC's wrist injury...note that after he begins thrashing about in the limo (starting around z225), when his wrist emerges from behind the limo door it is bent at a really unnatural looking 90 degrees.
Also note that in z222 we can see the white of his shirt cuff just above the door but this disappears in z223 (because his wrist has been hit by a bullet). He then commences to thrashing around.
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I'm well aware of his testimony.
If you bothered to read through this thread that you seem to have stumbled into, you would see that JBC's various accounts have been gone through in excruciating detail. He is the most unreliable witness in Dealey Plaza for the reasons already stated.
That you are going to constantly hold his testimony as gospel is no surprise. You are a Lone Nutter. It's what you do.
It makes not one jot of difference what evidence or testimony is presented showing your foolishness for what it is. You have spoken. The die has been cast. It is done.

Fell free to gargle down every utterance of Connally you choose and make up any interpretation you wish. You are a free man.

I gave specific examples of parts of his testimony that are corroborated by the Z-film and all you can do is respond with bluster.
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“To become qualified as a sharpshooter the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines
with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can be, so qualified.
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot” (Vol 19 pages 16-18)


Even a "poor shot" by USMC standards requires proficiency with a rifle. To score 191, Oswald would have to be able to hit targets 200 yards away and more. His longest shot in Dealey Plaza as only 88 yards.
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From JBC's WC testimony:

"We had--we had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway, the Stemmons Freeway, to go out to the hall where we were going to have lunch and, as I say, the crowds had begun to thin, and we could--I was anticipating that we were going to be at the hall in approximately 5 minutes from the time we turned on Elm Street.
We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt."

Corroborated by the Z-film showing him turning to his right at Z164.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z164.jpg

"So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap."

Corrobrated by the Z-film frames Z250 and Z300
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z250.jpg
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z300.jpg

"Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.

Corroborated by Z313, showing the discharge of blood and brain forward toward the Connallys.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg

I'm well aware of his testimony.
If you bothered to read through this thread that you seem to have stumbled into, you would see that JBC's various accounts have been gone through in excruciating detail. He is the most unreliable witness in Dealey Plaza for the reasons already stated.
That you are going to constantly hold his testimony as gospel is no surprise. You are a Lone Nutter. It's what you do.
It makes not one jot of difference what evidence or testimony is presented showing your foolishness for what it is. You have spoken. The die has been cast. It is done.

Fell free to gargle down every utterance of Connally you choose and make up any interpretation you wish. You are a free man.
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JohnM

Classic error Mr Mytton.
At the point your clip cuts off JFK smiles and waves at Mary Woodward and her colleagues who are all shouting for the attention of him and Jackie.
In fact, all four occupants (and possibly Kellerman) turn to their right to acknowledge these calls and are looking in the direction of Woodward and co.
Its a really well documented moment.
To insinuate that the really loud sound of a shot causes JFK to smile and wave is silly. Connally also notes that it is a mere "split second" between him hearing the first shot and being hit. It is such a short amount of time he initially thought there was multiple shooters or than someone was using an automatic. He is literally referring to a moment less than one second.

Look at this section of the Z-film again. Woodward recalls that both JFK and Jackie turn and wave as a result of their shouts and it is just after this that the first shot rings out. All four occupants turn in the direction of Woodward. JFK smiles and waves. A second later his hands fly up to his throat and JBC starts thrashing around in the car.

At no point before the shooting does Connally attempt to look at JFK. He turns to look at JFK after he has been shot (wrong order).
He remembers the sound of the shot and being hit as separate events but it was the same event.
He describes things as happening in a "split second" but also that the shooting lasted for around 12 seconds (time dilation).
He 'forgets' that after he has been shot he rolls in front of his seat then pops up to look back toward JFK and Jackie.

There are things he recalls that make sense and some that don't. As a witness he could not be more unreliable.
As far as using the Z-film to corroborate his account, the most helpful detail IMO is that he recalls he was looking just 'left of centre' when he remembers being shot. This is around z232 - z234. Exactly where he picked when given the Z-frames to examine. There is a gap of around 500 milliseconds between something happening and us being consciously aware that it has happened, placing the actual shooting around z222/223.


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What do some actual Expert Marine Officers say about Oswald's shooting abilities.

Mr. SPECTER. Based on the tests of Mr. Oswald shown by those documents, how would you characterize his ability as a marksman?
Sergeant ZAHM. I would say in the Marine Corps he is a good shot, slightly above average, and as compared to the average male of his age throughout the civilian, throughout the United States, that he is an excellent shot.


How about the question of Oswald's capabilities to take the head shot?

Mr. SPECTER - I now show you a document marked as Commission Exhibit No. 902, which characterizes what was believed to have been the shot which struck President Kennedy in the head at a distance from rifle in window to the President of 265.3 feet, with the photograph through rifle scope identified on the document being the view which the marksman had of the President at the time the President was struck in the head, and I ask you again for an opinion as to the ease or difficulty of that shot, taking into consideration the capabilities of Mr. Oswald as a marksman, evidenced by the Marine Corps documents on him.
Major ANDERSON - I consider it to be not a particularly difficult shot at this short range, and that Oswald had full capabilities to make such a shot.


Then lastly, what was the difficulties of Oswald with his equipment of taking the Dealey Plaza shot?

Mr. SPECTER. How would you characterize that, as a difficult, not too difficult, easy, or how would you characterize that shot?
Sergeant ZAHM. With the equipment he had and with his ability, I consider it a very easy shot.


Blah Blah Blah ! Does nothing to change the fact:
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot
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“To become qualified as a sharpshooter the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines
with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can be, so qualified.
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot” (Vol 19 pages 16-18)


 :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

What do some actual Expert Marine Officers say about Oswald's shooting abilities.

Mr. SPECTER. Based on the tests of Mr. Oswald shown by those documents, how would you characterize his ability as a marksman?
Sergeant ZAHM. I would say in the Marine Corps he is a good shot, slightly above average, and as compared to the average male of his age throughout the civilian, throughout the United States, that he is an excellent shot.


How about the question of Oswald's capabilities to take the head shot?

Mr. SPECTER - I now show you a document marked as Commission Exhibit No. 902, which characterizes what was believed to have been the shot which struck President Kennedy in the head at a distance from rifle in window to the President of 265.3 feet, with the photograph through rifle scope identified on the document being the view which the marksman had of the President at the time the President was struck in the head, and I ask you again for an opinion as to the ease or difficulty of that shot, taking into consideration the capabilities of Mr. Oswald as a marksman, evidenced by the Marine Corps documents on him.
Major ANDERSON - I consider it to be not a particularly difficult shot at this short range, and that Oswald had full capabilities to make such a shot.


Then lastly, what was the difficulties of Oswald with his equipment of taking the Dealey Plaza shot?

Mr. SPECTER. How would you characterize that, as a difficult, not too difficult, easy, or how would you characterize that shot?
Sergeant ZAHM. With the equipment he had and with his ability, I consider it a very easy shot.
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Even the lowest grade requires some proficiency with a rifle to get a passing score. The USMC doesn't hand out participation trophies.


“To become qualified as a sharpshooter the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines
with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can be, so qualified.
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot” (Vol 19 pages 16-18)
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Yet, His latest score categorized him as a "rather poor shot"

(May 06,1959 MCAS | El Toro CA)
Oswald scored one point above the minimum for the lowest grade.

Marksman Qualification = 190
Oswald Score = 191

“To become qualified as a sharpshooter the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines
with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can be, so qualified.
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot” (Vol 19 pages 16-18)


Even the lowest grade requires some proficiency with a rifle to get a passing score. The USMC doesn't hand out participation trophies.
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