JFK Assassination Forum

If Norman heard Oswald eject a casing 3 times in fairly quick succession then that suggests that Oswald ejected the first casing at about the same time as the jfklimo started to turn from Houston into Elm.
We know that Oswald's shot-1 was at latest at pseudo Z113 -- this was when the jfklimo had passed by his window & had just passed the overhead signals -- shot-1 ricocheted offa the overhead signal arm.
I have always wondered whether Oswald pulled the trigger when the jfklimo was starting its turn into Elm -- ie a dry fire -- koz he forgot to eject the old empty casing.
If he hadnt forgotten to eject the old casing then he would have ejected it well before the jfklimo came into view in Houston.
Anyhow, now i come to what i really wanted to mention -- Oswald might not have known what the jfklimo looked like -- did he know that it might have the plastic bubble rain cover on -- did he know that the bubble was not bullet proof -- did he know that there was a divider/roll'bar that partly hid jfk from the SN until the limo was almost starting its turn into Elm -- did he know that jfk would be in the rear right seat.
If he fired a dry shot early on then he would have been flustered & likely to forget about or misjudge the problem of the overhead signal arm blocking a shot hence the ricochet at Z113.
Then in any case he fired shot-2 ok at Z216, hitting jfk & Connally at Z218-219.
Then he stood up & stepped back & saw Hickey blow jfk's brain out at Z313 -- anyhow i wonder why didnt Oswald fire his shot-3, albeit a long shot.

The two-shot theory nicely deals with the dented shell. Yes, the dented shell can be duplicated by clumsy ejection, as might well have occurred in Oswald's haste to operate the action as quickly as possible. However, Oswald was reported as frequently dry-firing his rifle, and a dented shell (which cannot be reloaded) is often used for dry-firing (because the firing pin may be damaged if there is no shell in the chamber). I, who used to reload ammo, did this myself (i.e., used dented shells for dry-firing). The theory, which I like, is that the dry-firing shell was still in the disassembled rifle in the Paine garage and was ejected by Oswald before he fired the two live rounds. I don't insist on this, but the theory that there was no early shot does seem to accord with the earwitness testimony and makes the timing issue less problematical. Phantom Shot, which I read 3-4 years ago, shows that a number of witnesses changed from "two" to "three" when this became the "accepted" version. Given the controversy as to when an early missed shot was fired - which itself calls into question the earwitness accounts - I'm surprised the two-shot scenario doesn't receive more attention since it seems to make the LN narrative even more plausible.

The biggest problem might seem to be the the Jarman-Norman-Williams trio. Even in the two-shot scenario, they might have heard the action being operated three times and three shells hitting the floor. Jarman and Williams didn't recognize the first one as a shot and Norman thought JFK had slumped after the first shot - so they may not be deal-killers for the two-shot theory.

They described 3 boom-click-click sounds. That doesn't fit a two shot scenario. It does fit a 3 shot scenario with a fourth round being chambered but not fired. You also have the problem explaining JBC hearing a shot before the one that hit him in the back. You also have the problem of explaining why most ear witnesses heard 3 shots.

No, I do not. After the shooting, traffic on Houston and Elm came to a standstill. I do not find it at all suspicious that the occupant(s) of that car would realize they weren't going to be able to get out any time soon.
Of course it is. You have leapt to a conclusion without considering other mundane explanations.
It is a fact a car was there. You've offered nothing that connects it to the assassination. That is all assumption on your part.
You have a very strange concept of what constitutes proof. Assumptions are not proof and all you ever offer are your assumptions.
I have no idea what the DPD was thinking at any given time but there is no evidence they connected the car to the assassination. Your "discoveries" are not the least bit significant if all you can offer are your assumptions.

                                            "AFTER the shooting, traffic on Houston and Elm came to a Standstill" ?

    You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. Traffic was flowing down Elm St UNDER 9 minutes after the kill shot. That car could have left Dealey Plaza that quickly. Instead, it sat there for 3+ Hrs.

     Suppose after the kill shot, DPD ACTIVELY PREVENTED this car from leaving the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone alongside the Island? Would you consider that DPD act was, "evidence they connected the car to the assassination"?
   
     I have no problem with answering questions that You might have. All you gotta do is ask. You are currently making statements that are without a doubt Egregiously WRONG! 

While the WC allowed for the possibility of only two shots, it seems pretty far fetched to me. JBC said he heard a shot before the one that hit him in the back. The clear consensus of witnesses is there 3 shots. Most compelling, three spent shell casings in the snipers nest. That dog won't hunt.

The two-shot theory nicely deals with the dented shell. Yes, the dented shell can be duplicated by clumsy ejection, as might well have occurred in Oswald's haste to operate the action as quickly as possible. However, Oswald was reported as frequently dry-firing his rifle, and a dented shell (which cannot be reloaded) is often used for dry-firing (because the firing pin may be damaged if there is no shell in the chamber). I, who used to reload ammo, did this myself (i.e., used dented shells for dry-firing). The theory, which I like, is that the dry-firing shell was still in the disassembled rifle in the Paine garage and was ejected by Oswald before he fired the two live rounds. I don't insist on this, but the theory that there was no early shot does seem to accord with the earwitness testimony and makes the timing issue less problematical. Phantom Shot, which I read 3-4 years ago, shows that a number of witnesses changed from "two" to "three" when this became the "accepted" version. Given the controversy as to when an early missed shot was fired - which itself calls into question the earwitness accounts - I'm surprised the two-shot scenario doesn't receive more attention since it seems to make the LN narrative even more plausible.

The biggest problem might seem to be the the Jarman-Norman-Williams trio. Even in the two-shot scenario, they might have heard the action being operated three times and three shells hitting the floor. Jarman and Williams didn't recognize the first one as a shot and Norman thought JFK had slumped after the first shot - so they may not be deal-killers for the two-shot theory.

That’s why Oswald the AMERICAN citizen  Marxist defector was the ideal guy to frame ( or just let him shoot because LBJ already had info the kook was like the other kook Thomas Arthur Vallee) and Oswald was employed in the TSBD.

If Oswald was a patsy, he was the most cooperative patsy ever. He did everything imaginable to make himself look guilty. He brought a long bag into the TSBD which had his palm and fingerprints at the bottom and contained fibers matching the blanket he kept his rifle in. He stayed out of sight when the shots were fired. He wore a shirt that matched the fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle. Then he fled the TSBD minutes after the shooting. He went to his rooming house to get his revolver and minutes later he murdered a cop. Then when he was about to be arrested, he tried to shoot one of the arresting officer. How gullible does one have to be to think he was framed?

This  way the Marxist indoctrination of an American citizen could be blamed without directly accusing the USSR. Thus the Vietnam conventional arms war ( for profit) to stop the further spread of this insidious Marxist ideology from subverting all of Southeast Asia was to follow.

LBJ rewarded his good friend, Harold Byrd, owner of the TSBD, a contract to make A7 Corsair fighter aircraft for the Vietnam War. It’s probably just coincidence that Byrd removed a window from the 6th floor TSBD after the shooting and hung it on a wall in his house with other animal heads.

How does that indicate he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK?