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You know, Matt……. In order to finance your bold endeavour, I suggest prompting A.I. recreations of all the different conspiracy scenarios we have amassed over the years, and selling them as ‘micro- movies’, like the ones that are so popular today.  They’ll sell themselves, what do you think?
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We all know about JFK reloaded but most documentaries use private proprietary made 3d Maps of Dealey Plaza, not ideal.
SO...if we were go near this, how would we achieve a computer simulation?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Kennedy Center
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 07:50:39 PM »
Bravo for Kerry Kennedy and the gang doing ring-around-the-Center.  Anyone who enables this cad is culpable of treason.  Shame on the whole administration.  Remember Yertle the Turtle.  Burp!
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Were the windows open in that little building of his? Makes me wonder how clearly he heard the shots.
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 Norman’s total time for the 3 shots is about 5 secs ,  but he spaces them more equally apart over that 5 second duration.

The Z 313 shot has possibly 4 different sounds that occur so close as only 0.5 sec or less:
A. The “boom” from the muzzle of the rifle
B. A “Thud” sound from bullet hitting the head
C. The metallic clang sound a fragment hitting the chrome frame of the wind shield or rearview mirror
D. The sound of the windshield being cracked by a fragment.





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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 05:52:43 PM »
Does it matter? If the people who took the test didn't wash their faces after firing the shot and still tested negative, why would it matter if Oswald washed his face? If those people tested negative, it is established that a person could fire the Carcano rifle and still test negative which means Oswald's negative paraffin test doesn't prove he hadn't fired the rifle.

 But those 7 people tested positive , so That kind of makes Oswald’s negative result an anomaly . So I’m trying to suggest the possibility Oswald having washed his face at the theater 65 minutes after the shooting and how probable the trace amount of nitrates could be removed from his face by washing with water and soap. If it is improbable , then the anomaly persists.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 05:40:05 PM »
7th floor would have been a good  place  to assemble the rifle but Oswald would have to bring the package from the 1st floor annex part of loading dock where he hid it that morning after entering about  30 secs ahead of  BW Frazier.

So Frazier saw Oswald  carrying a package go thru the 1st door that’s part of the annexed bldg that’s attached to the TSBD and then Oswald had 30 seconds to place the package somewhere (an open
Storage barrel perhaps ) unseen by Frazier doing so.  Then when Oswald  opened the back door of TSBD, Dougherty saw nothing in Oswalds hands.

So anytime from 8:30 to 11:30, Oswald could possibly have gone into the annexed garage bldg probably using the rolled up door beside the 1st floor staircase , retrieved the package and he either took it up to 7 th floor using the stairs or by using one of the freight elevators.

Unfortunately I dont think There were any witnesses that have WC testimony that support this scenario and given that Dorothy Garner on the 4th floor probably did NOT wait 60 secs post shots to follow behind Adams and Stiles and given BW  Fraziers 24 in estimate of the length of the bag, this hypothetical scenario is basically irrelevant.

I just threw it out there as an LN option since most LNs are convinced the bag probably contained the disassembled MC rifle.

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"These people who say that we ought to withdraw from Vietnam are wholly wrong because if we withdrew from Vietnam the communists would control Vietnam. Pretty soon Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Malaya would go and all of southeast Asia would be under the control of the communists. Another domination of the Chinese. Then India, Burma would be the next target. So I think we should stay." --- JFK to Walter Cronkite, September 2, 1963.

Again: "So I think we should stay."

Was JFK lying to the American people about this? Was he going to run on a promise - and need - of staying and then after re-election withdraw? If so then the JFK conspiracists are describing one of most duplicitous people ever to be President (up to that point). They don't even seem to realize it.

From what I've read, JFK didn't want to send combat/infantry troops to Vietnam; in fact, he was adamantly against it. But he also didn't want to see it fall to the communists. As he said above, it would affect all of southeast Asia. But not intending to send troops is not the same as intending to withdraw. Again, as he said above, those advocating withdrawal were "wholly wrong." Not a little wrong, or a lot wrong; but wholly wrong.

Go to the 14:30 mark to hear the above:

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:39:59 PM »
If that is true we have been misnumbering the subsequent Zapruder frames ever since. The head shot really occurred at Z315.
?? The numbering was done taking into account all original frames. Frames 155 and 156 exist (but without the sprocket area), as do frames 208-211, in the copies made when the film was developed at the Dallas Kodak lab.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Yesterday at 04:26:51 PM »
Whenever MTG is faced with something for which the explanation is unknown, his knee jerk reaction is to assume a sinister explanation, i.e. one with conspiratorial explanations. MTG's limited ability to think critically prevents him from asking himself a few simple questions. If these three cars were connected to a conspiracy, why was it necessary to send three cars into the parking lot and why did they leave the area without dropping somebody off there.

MTG has been give two plausible reasons for these cars to show up in the parking lot but they are not to his liking because they don't point to a conspiracy. It could have been people looking for a parking place or it could have been plain clothes law enforcement officers doing a security check prior to the arrival of the POTUS. It could have some other explanation that none of us have thought of. No, that's no good for MTG. His mindset is to assume every unexplained even is evidence of a conspiracy.

Given the massive length of this post from MTG, which might record setting, I'm going to pass on responding, or even bothering to read the rest of it. It's just past 9:00 am in the eastern time zone and college football games begin at noon. I don't want to miss the start of these games.
In conspiracy world the same Bowers who is not credible because he was supposedly threatened to change what he said he saw behind the fence becomes suddenly credible about what he saw about other matters, e.g., the cars. When he said he didn't see anyone behind the fence he is a liar forced to dissemble by sinister forces who threatened him. When he mentions three cars going through the parking lot (and leaving?) he is truthful; the sinister forces disappear (well, they're driving the cars). Bower is both credible and not credible, honest and not honest, believable and not believable. The sinister forces come and go (and not just in cars); they appear and disappear. It all depends on whether it supports a conspiracy or not. Nothing else matters.

Bowers' account is a textbook example of conspiracy thinking. It's Jim Garrison at his finest. There are many other example but it's one of the better cases. In conspiracy world evidence that doesn't show a conspiracy, that goes against a conspiracy, is turned upside down into evidence there *was* a conspiracy. Because that evidence is faked, phony, staged, false or in the case of Bowers coerced. So evidence of "A" is really evidence of "not A." Evidence there was no gunman behind the fence is really evidence there was a gunman behind the fence.

Bowers said he saw no one behind the fence at the time of the shooting. He said he heard three and only three shots. He said all of the shots sounded like they came from either end of Elm Street, either the TSBD or the underpass. He heard no shots from behind the fence. He saw no one with a rifle. He saw two men "towards the mouth of the underpass". He didn't see them leave. He said they stayed in the area when the police officer (Haygood) went up the knoll/incline.

This is evidence there wasn't a gunman behind the fence. No shots were heard, no rifle was seen, the two men stayed around.

In Michael Griffith's conspiracy world where up is down and down is up this is all evidence there was a shooter behind the fence. This is the deranged thinking of Jim Garrison who said you must think "up is down and down is up."
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