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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Lance Payette speaks and How this would play out in court!
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 10:32:28 PM »My foray into factoid-checking began because Harvey and Lee said that bank executive Robert Wilmouth had stated that the PMO should have bank stamps, to wit:
The $21.45 money order, according to Wilmouth, should have been stamped and dated by three different banking institutions. But not a single bank endorsement stamp or transaction date appears on either the front or back side of the postal money order. It is clear that postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 was never deposited or cashed by any bank or financial institution.
NOTE: Bank Vice-President Robert Wilmouth was never called to testify before the Commission. Wilmouth most certainly would have pointed out that the money order was never deposited to any financial institution due to a lack of bank endorsement stamps.
This sounds pretty specific and definitive, yes? In my innocence, I simply wondered what Wilmouth had said. I wasn't expecting to find any problem. The statements in H&L were supported only by a footnote to the FBI interview of Wilmouth. I discovered to my astonishment that Wilmouth had said NOTHING WHATSOEVER about bank stamps! You can see the FBI report here: https://harveyandlee.net/Mail_Order_Rifle/Mail_Order_Rifle.html. (Now, incredibly, the H&L site says the interview report was fabricated!)
I raised this problem repeatedly at the Ed Forum and asked what the source of the "bank stamps" claim actually was. As you can read, the silence was deafening. This is me back in 2017:
John Armstrong started all the silliness about the Klein's PMO not having the required bank endorsements. In Harvey and Lee, he cited to a bank official at the First National Bank of Chicago (named Wilmouth, as I recall) who supposedly said this. I exposed that the citations were FICTITIOUS. The bank official never said anything about bank endorsements. Armstrong's fiction became CT "gospel" and has been repeated throughout the conspiracy literature, apparently without any of these "experts" bothering to check Armstrong's footnotes as I did. When I pointed out that Armstrong's citations were fictitious, which you can easily confirm for yourself, the non-response was deafening.
NO ONE EVER DID attempt to address this. They just closed ranks and declared me a newbie nuisance. I even went to the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University to no avail. TO THIS DAY, I still don't know where the "bank stamps" nonsense originated!
What an eye-opener this all was! I realized that supposed luminaries like David Josephs and Sandy Larsen were fundamentally crazy and cared nothing at all about accuracy or truth, only about preserving their nutty CT narrative. All because innocent newbie me simply had enough diligence to check one of Armstrong's footnotes. I subsequently saw this scenario play out again and again - some nugget of conspiracy gospel had its origin in little more than thin air but was then repeated and repeated and repeated in the CT community until you were an infidel if you dared to question it. I have yet to check ONE - not ONE - CT factoid that stood up to scrutiny.
The $21.45 money order, according to Wilmouth, should have been stamped and dated by three different banking institutions. But not a single bank endorsement stamp or transaction date appears on either the front or back side of the postal money order. It is clear that postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 was never deposited or cashed by any bank or financial institution.
NOTE: Bank Vice-President Robert Wilmouth was never called to testify before the Commission. Wilmouth most certainly would have pointed out that the money order was never deposited to any financial institution due to a lack of bank endorsement stamps.
This sounds pretty specific and definitive, yes? In my innocence, I simply wondered what Wilmouth had said. I wasn't expecting to find any problem. The statements in H&L were supported only by a footnote to the FBI interview of Wilmouth. I discovered to my astonishment that Wilmouth had said NOTHING WHATSOEVER about bank stamps! You can see the FBI report here: https://harveyandlee.net/Mail_Order_Rifle/Mail_Order_Rifle.html. (Now, incredibly, the H&L site says the interview report was fabricated!)
I raised this problem repeatedly at the Ed Forum and asked what the source of the "bank stamps" claim actually was. As you can read, the silence was deafening. This is me back in 2017:
John Armstrong started all the silliness about the Klein's PMO not having the required bank endorsements. In Harvey and Lee, he cited to a bank official at the First National Bank of Chicago (named Wilmouth, as I recall) who supposedly said this. I exposed that the citations were FICTITIOUS. The bank official never said anything about bank endorsements. Armstrong's fiction became CT "gospel" and has been repeated throughout the conspiracy literature, apparently without any of these "experts" bothering to check Armstrong's footnotes as I did. When I pointed out that Armstrong's citations were fictitious, which you can easily confirm for yourself, the non-response was deafening.
NO ONE EVER DID attempt to address this. They just closed ranks and declared me a newbie nuisance. I even went to the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University to no avail. TO THIS DAY, I still don't know where the "bank stamps" nonsense originated!
What an eye-opener this all was! I realized that supposed luminaries like David Josephs and Sandy Larsen were fundamentally crazy and cared nothing at all about accuracy or truth, only about preserving their nutty CT narrative. All because innocent newbie me simply had enough diligence to check one of Armstrong's footnotes. I subsequently saw this scenario play out again and again - some nugget of conspiracy gospel had its origin in little more than thin air but was then repeated and repeated and repeated in the CT community until you were an infidel if you dared to question it. I have yet to check ONE - not ONE - CT factoid that stood up to scrutiny.
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