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I do not know the answer why some ethnic groups seem to excel in various endeavors. The Jews have been successful wherever they go, for millennia.

Today, in the US, Indian-Americans and Han Chinese seem to be supplanting Jews in much of the sciences.

Of course, Northern Europeans were so successful they ruled the world, and only voluntarily gave up control of much of the planet. Northern Europeans made themselves excellent places to live (perhaps endangered now by in-migration).

The Japanese have created on their islands likely the best place to live, of any large nation.

Han Chinese were successful everywhere they migrated to, often arousing local resentments, as in Indonesia, and to a much lesser extent, in Thailand.

I read that the Jains, a tiny sliver of the Indian population, are much over-represented by the usual measures of income, wealth, professional and business success. They are a fascinating people.

Israel's economy is booming now, even as they have to devote large resources to national security.

On the other hand, Nigeria can literally strike oil, hit the jackpot, have peaceful neighbors, and then become mired in endless torpor and violence.

I do not know why this happens. Even to discuss this is politically incorrect.

I do not expect equal results from different groups.




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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:01:16 AM »
I agree Oswald is moving in the window in the Hughes film. The image is too blurry to draw any conclusion as to how he is moving and it gives us no indication as to when he fired the first shot.

Why do you prefer, as an indication of when the first shot occurred, Zapruder's jiggling of his camera to Elsie Dorman's finger's slipping off the "filming now" button at approximately "Z-124" and around Z-222, too?

In 2008, Dale Myers wrote:

"Elsie Dorman told Sixth Floor Museum curator Gary Mack in the early 1980’s that she remembered that the first shot was very loud, sounded like it came from behind her (i.e., from inside the building), and that she stopped filming just after the first shot. Elsie Dorman, who died in 1983, had filmed the motorcade from a fourth-floor window of the Depository. [Max] Holland and [Kenneth] Scearce cite my work on the synchronization of amateur films of the Kennedy motorcade (Epipolar Geometric Analysis of Amateur Films Related to Acoustics Evidence in the John F. Kennedy Assassination) as supportive of their theory [that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot was fired just before Zapruder resumed filming], noting that Dorman stopped her camera three times – first at a point 0.12 seconds before Zapruder began [sic; resumed] filming the limousine (i.e., Z133); a second time at the equivalent of Z228, just after the second shot; and a third and final time at the equivalent of Z411, about five seconds after the last shot."
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[...]

Dear Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Skully,

Do you find it interesting that in April of 1964, probable KGB "mole" Bruce Solie (father-figure-requiring James Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior) tried to talk W. David Slawson into letting Yuri "The KGB Had Nothing To Do With Oswald In The USSR" Nosenko testify to the Warren Commission even though CIA Counterintelligence and the Soviet Russia Division were convinced he'd been a false-defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, sent to the CIA there to protect a mole or two or three from being uncovered by recent true defector Anatoly Golitsyn's revelations?

Do you find it interesting that KGB Major Aleksey Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA at the FBI's NYC field office) had to lamely retract his two specific "confirmations" of Nosenko's bonafide-ness when Nosenko admitted during interrogations to having lied about those two things (i.e., his now being a "Lieutenant Colonel" and his having received a "return to Moscow immediately" telegram in Geneva in February 1964)?

Do you find it interesting that Solie "cleared" Nosenko in October 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report?

Do you find it interesting that Solie hid CIA documents from the Church Committee and the HSCA?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:05:49 PM »
The Robert Hughes film shows something white moving in the Sniper's Nest window as the limo turns onto Elm Street. Oswald was wearing a white t-shirt that day, so it's reasonable to assume that what we're seeing is Oswald getting ready to fire his first (missing everything) shot. 

IF Oswald fired it half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 (as is indicated by the nearly simultaneous, rapid-but-non-startle head movements of everyone in the limo but Greer), the limo would have been at a sharp downward angle to him, and this sharp downward angle may have necessitated the short-rifle's muzzle's being inside the building when he fired it.

I agree Oswald is moving in the window in the Hughes film. The image is too blurry to draw any conclusion as to how he is moving and it gives us no indication as to when he fired the first shot.
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Seems like a perfectly reasonable question.
So Dr. Shaw’s diagram is so wrong as to justify calling it dumb?
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Yes.  The wallet itself remained in Fritz' office the entire time.  I should've said Westbrook, Barrett and the wallet were all three back at headquarters at the same time, as opposed to Westbrook's office at the same time.

You still haven't thought about it.

Bentley said (I'm paraphrasing) in his report of 3 December 1963 that he gave the wallet to Baker at the same time as Hill turned over the initialed revolver to Baker and Fritz. According to Hill, in his report, this happened at around 3:15 PM, which is only minutes before the items were submitted to the evidence room.

Guy Rose was the first officer to talk to Oswald, just minutes after he was brought into the homicide office. An unidentified person had given Rose a wallet which he claimed belonged to the suspect. This was the wallet in which Rose found the Hidell ID.

So, if the wallet was in Fritz' office the entire time since Bentley and Hill brought it in, how in the world is it possible that Guy Rose was given a wallet just minutes after Oswald was brought into the homicide bureau?
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The worst evasion here is you avoiding answering how the man you are labeling Shelley has an obviously too stocky body to be Shelley...

   They go TOGETHER. You have to place Lovelady walking down the Elm St Ext too. You can't do it. Putting those 2 Guys in that position on the Elm St Extension, only 20 seconds after the kill shot, means they came from 1 spot. They came from inside that "getaway" car and are distancing themselves from it.
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Don't be silly, Tom-Tom.

Do you find it interesting that Joannides took the place of Bill Nelson's wedding usher,, Philip Franklin Fendig, as CIA liason to the HSCA investigation?
Fendig's best man was Bill Nelson.... :
https://www.nytimes.com/1953/05/17/archives/miss-c-johnston-is-wed-in-capital-has-2-attendants-at-marriage-to.html

Shackley "introduces" Fendig to HSCA,
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=100555#relPageId=2


Quote
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cloak_Gown/a3ncweUli9UC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=angleton+william+nelson&pg=PA403&printsec=frontcover
loak & Gown: Scholars in the Secret War, 1939-1961 - Page 403
books.google.com › books
Robin W. Winks · 1996
Found inside – Page 403
... William Nelson , the deputy di- rector for operations , that set out all the circumstantial evidence to make the case that Angleton was a Soviet agent . That Angleton had not spotted Philby , or having spotted him had not turned him in ...

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Bill Brown on Yesterday at 08:56:45 PM »
After Oswald was brought in from the theater, everyone gathered inside the office of Capt. Westbrook.  This office is where the officers filled out their arrest reports

True, that's also where they marked pieces of evidence, regardless if they ever were in the chain of custody or not.

Inside this office was Westbrook, Barrett and Oswald's wallet (with Oswald and Hidell identifications inside and taken from him by Bentley during the car ride from the theater to headquarters).

Really?

The sequence of events disagrees. The officers who drove in the car with Oswald, left him in the homicide bureau, with some uniformed officers.

Only minutes after Oswald had been brought in, Guy Rose started working and the first thing he did was talk to Oswald. When he walked into the room, somebody gave him a wallet and told him it belonged to the suspect. That's the wallet in which Rose found the Hidell ID.

Now, if Oswald's wallet was in Westbrook's office with a number of officers, as you claim, how could Guy Rose be given that same wallet?

Perhaps, if somebody needs to think about it, it's you.

If you read what they all said and wrote, they showed up in the basement of the Municipal building, and brought Oswald up the back elevator to the DPD offices on the third floor. The party first went to the Homicide office, where they deposited Oswald and the wallet with Baker and other members of Fritz team. Hill and Baker conversed about possession of the revolver, the result being that Hill kept it. Then the arresting party proceeded to the squad room in the Personnel office. Bentley and Lyons went to the hospital to have their injuries examined, while the rest of the party set to writing reports. At some point after Bentley and Lyons left, Westbrook entered the squad room, saw the revolver lying on a desk, and sent for Lt Baker to come get it. At this point, Hill, Carroll, and McDonald put their initials on the weapon and turn it over.   

Yes.  The wallet itself remained in Fritz' office the entire time.  I should've said Westbrook, Barrett and the wallet were all three back at headquarters at the same time, as opposed to Westbrook's office at the same time.
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Why no "covering fire" supporting Hill running in the direction of where at least one shot had hit, even if his fellow agents in the following "Queen Mary" had just fired into the air, above the general direction where photos captured some of them craning their necks towards? Or, were they just too hung over from the night before?

Don't be silly, Tom-Tom.
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