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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Today at 05:44:46 PM »Lovelady & Shelley seen going up the Elm Street extension confirm the time stamp for the above film clip to be around 25-30 seconds after the last shot...As does Calvery and Reed on the steps...
You are seeing the exact moment Frazier said he and Stanton "Were staring at each other in shock for the longest time"...Evidence confusers and mud spreaders be damned...
Royell is wiggling his white bunny tail and trying to get people to switch the subject and chase him down his Alice In Wonderland rabbit hole...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Lee Harvey Oswald
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 05:39:42 PM »I recently started a thread about the Lincoln/Kennedy assassination coincidences, one of which stated that both John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald were both known by their three names. I would not be surprised if that was true of John Wilkes Booth given that he was a well-known actor, but I seriously doubt that prior to 11/22/1963, anybody referred to Oswald as "Lee Harvey". It seems likely that he became known by his three names because the cops gave his full name to the news media as "Lee Harvey Oswald". I would bet up until then his friends and family just called him "Lee".
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 05:23:59 PM »'Proof' is photographic evidence demonstrating beyond the slightest doubt that you are full of sh!t.
And it's faintly amusing that you would accuse someone else of repeating the same nonsense over and over again. All you do is spew the Warren Commission's findings, which you've clearly learned in full, over and over again.
The moment you step outside this narrow field of knowledge you make an instant buffoon of yourself.
But let's not get distracted by your incompetence.
You were asked a couple of questions about JBC which are a chance for you to show off your expert knowledge of how JBC's recollection of the shooting is corroborated by the Z-film.
Just for general amusement let's see what pearls of wisdom you have to offer:
JBC is also unequivocal that the gap between him hearing the first shot and being hit is "a split second", literally less than a second. He knows his rifles and he is convinced at first that there are multiple people firing or that someone is using an automatic rifle. He is saying that the gap was so small it could not have been done by a single person using a bolt action rifle, it had to be multiple people or a automatic. How do you explain that?
JBC studies the Z-film and chooses z234 (or z232) as the frame he is shot. How do you explain that?
Whenever I see someone quote a few words out of context, it's a pretty safe bet that person is lying about what was actually said. Your "a split second" is a perfect example. Here is what JBC said to the WC:
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the timespan between the first shot which you heard and the shot which you heretofore characterized as the third shot?
Governor CONNALLY. It was a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don't know, 10, 12 seconds. It was extremely rapid, so much so that again I thought that whoever was firing must be firing with an automatic rifle because of the rapidity of the shots; a very short period of time.
If the entire time frame was 10, 12 seconds, that would mean that if there was only "a split second" between the first and second shots, then there would have been 10-12 seconds between the second and third shots. Is that the hill you want to die on?
It should also be noted that people often refer to semi-automatic weapons as automatic. Most fully automatic weapons fire 10 rounds per second or faster. If it had been a full auto weapon, JBC would not have heard individual shots and it certainly wouldn't take 10-12 seconds to fire 3 rounds. For those who aren't familiar with firearms, a semi-auto weapon is one that uses the gasses from one shot to eject the spent shell and chamber the next round from a magazine. As such, they can fire more rapidly than a bolt or lever action rifle, but they still only fire one round with each pull of the trigger.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 05:22:46 PM »Baker didn't run through them, he ran behind them.
The timestamp for these images of Officer Baker running across the Island and into the street is :20 seconds after the Kill Shot. Yet, as we can see, Officer Baker is Not having to plow through a throng of people that stretched from the corner of the TSBD to the traffic light on the Island. Why is that? That is because these images of Officer Baker are Not :20 seconds after the Kill Shot. These images are closer to :50 seconds to 1 Minute after the Kill Shot, and the throng of people stretching from the corner of the building to the traffic light on the island has dispersed. This is why the driver of Camera Car #2 is standing flat footed outside of his car on the opening frames of the Darnell Film. His camera car was sitting stock still for close to a minute before he decided to get out of the car and look around as to what the holdup was. This :50 second to 1 Minute timeline of Officer Baker running across the Island and into the street, also resets when Wiegman filmed the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass. This then extends the amount of time the JFK Limo was on Elm St before being filmed by Wiegman going under the Triple Underpass.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 05:10:44 PM »Bell Film.
Hughes film.
Thanks for posting that Hughes Film clip. The Elm St Extension can be seen on the far (L). The light colored Corvair Car parked alongside the TSBD on the Elm St Extension can be seen. Across from that Corvair is the NO PARKING Zone alongside the Island, back from the traffic signal. We can clearly see the tail end of that Corvair Car. Nothing alongside the Island is blocking our view of that Corvair Car. There is NO Car that was 17.5 Feet Long and close to 5 feet tall parked in this NO PARKING Zone alongside the Island. Not Yet!
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Robin Unger on Today at 05:05:07 PM »I wonder if that is Stanton waving in the Prayer Man spot in Towner...
This is what the Prayer Man people do...They deliberately avoid scanning and enhancing evidence and then they use wording to portray themselves as researching honestly...They are quite capable of enhancing Towner to see if that is Stanton waving but they don't...They don't because they hijack the entire internet and then deliberately not investigate evidence that disproves them...Where is Iler outlining the site rules on that intentional dishonesty?
Before the Luna Task Force Larry Schnapf made public statements saying they would review all evidence that decided one way or the other who Prayer Man was...Schnapf lied and when it came time to get Luna to easily obtain the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell he made a statement detailing why he was not going to obtain that copy...He was clearly acting in favor of the Prayer Man people in an effort to conceal evidence that Prayer Man was Stanton...He lied...And now they are backing it up by censoring and ignoring those who demand they research honestly...The Education Forum is a bad faith forum - which is the playing field Jim D prefers...
I joined the Education forum in 2005
My post count is 3,987 posts so i know who those guy are.
I have opened dozens of so called "Prayer Man" threads. I spent years on the Education Forum researching Prayer Man.
I am 73yo and i basically walked away from JFK Research about 8-years ago
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Lincoln/Kennedy coincidences
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 05:01:55 PM »There are a number of remarkable coincidences between the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy which have been known and talked about since shortly after the JFKA. I just discovered an online article that listed a few:
"1. Lincoln and Kennedy: A Century of Uncanny Echoes
Both presidents were elected to Congress in the year ending in 46, Lincoln in 1846 and Kennedy in 1946, and both rose to the presidency in a year ending in 60, precisely one hundred years apart. Their successors compounded the strangeness further. Both of the presidents' successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson, Andrew and Lyndon, with six-letter first names and born in years ending in 08.
Both presidents were shot on a Friday, in the back of the head, while seated beside their wives who remained uninjured. The assassins, John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald, were known by their three names, each containing fifteen letters, and both were killed before standing trial. Historians and skeptics have noted that some items on the famous list are embellished or simply false, but the verified overlaps, such as the presidents being elected 100 years apart and succeeded by men with matching surnames, are remarkable enough to keep historians talking."
Some of these I knew and some I did not. I knew JFK had been elected to Congress in 1946 but didn't know the year Lincoln was elected. I also didn't know both Johnson's were born in a year ending in 08.
Another one not mentioned is that both presidents were in the company of another couple, the husband of which was seriously wounded in the attack. I could go on but it might be fun for others to contribute to the list.
"1. Lincoln and Kennedy: A Century of Uncanny Echoes
Both presidents were elected to Congress in the year ending in 46, Lincoln in 1846 and Kennedy in 1946, and both rose to the presidency in a year ending in 60, precisely one hundred years apart. Their successors compounded the strangeness further. Both of the presidents' successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson, Andrew and Lyndon, with six-letter first names and born in years ending in 08.
Both presidents were shot on a Friday, in the back of the head, while seated beside their wives who remained uninjured. The assassins, John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald, were known by their three names, each containing fifteen letters, and both were killed before standing trial. Historians and skeptics have noted that some items on the famous list are embellished or simply false, but the verified overlaps, such as the presidents being elected 100 years apart and succeeded by men with matching surnames, are remarkable enough to keep historians talking."
Some of these I knew and some I did not. I knew JFK had been elected to Congress in 1946 but didn't know the year Lincoln was elected. I also didn't know both Johnson's were born in a year ending in 08.
Another one not mentioned is that both presidents were in the company of another couple, the husband of which was seriously wounded in the attack. I could go on but it might be fun for others to contribute to the list.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Today at 04:57:01 PM »...to your satisfaction. You have a really goofy idea as to what constitutes proof.
Hint: proof isn't repeating the same nonsense over and over again.
'Proof' is photographic evidence demonstrating beyond the slightest doubt that you are full of sh!t.
And it's faintly amusing that you would accuse someone else of repeating the same nonsense over and over again. All you do is spew the Warren Commission's findings, which you've clearly learned in full, over and over again.
The moment you step outside this narrow field of knowledge you make an instant buffoon of yourself.
But let's not get distracted by your incompetence.
You were asked a couple of questions about JBC which are a chance for you to show off your expert knowledge of how JBC's recollection of the shooting is corroborated by the Z-film.
Just for general amusement let's see what pearls of wisdom you have to offer:
JBC is also unequivocal that the gap between him hearing the first shot and being hit is "a split second", literally less than a second. He knows his rifles and he is convinced at first that there are multiple people firing or that someone is using an automatic rifle. He is saying that the gap was so small it could not have been done by a single person using a bolt action rifle, it had to be multiple people or a automatic. How do you explain that?
JBC studies the Z-film and chooses z234 (or z232) as the frame he is shot. How do you explain that?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:42:12 PM »No, no...I've proved, for a fact, that you were talking utter sh!t.
That has 100% been proven (yet again).
...to your satisfaction. You have a really goofy idea as to what constitutes proof.
Hint: proof isn't repeating the same nonsense over and over again.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Brian Doyle: Audio Interview With Witness Sarah Stanton's Granddaughter
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:39:43 PM »Corbett is pretending the media isn't corrupted and doing the government's bidding on the Kennedy Assassination...
Jim DiEugenio is the ultimate hypocrite because he criticizes the government to no end on their ignoring of the evidence but then turns around and practices the same thing on Wanda Daniel...And he uses the research community and their dirty censorship to do so...
Do you really think no one in the media would be interested if you had really proof of a conspiracy to kill JFK. There are plenty of well know people who are CTs. Jesse Watters for one. He has his own prime time show on Fox and he has often talked of his belief that that CIA killed JFK. Joey Jones, one of Fox's roving commentators has expressed similar sentiments. Geraldo Rivera is a longtime critic of the WCR. Surely, he would be interested. Just don't call him Shirley.