JFK Assassination Forum

While the WC allowed for the possibility of only two shots, it seems pretty far fetched to me. JBC said he heard a shot before the one that hit him in the back. The clear consensus of witnesses is there 3 shots. Most compelling, three spent shell casings in the snipers nest. That dog won't hunt.

Not quite, the WC not only allowed for only two shots they also postulated one of the shells was ejected before the shooting.  CE 543 shows no signs of having been fired during the assassination. Maybe that is the one they referred to. Three shells does not automatically mean three shots.

With all these three shot witnesses , which witness actually stated the first shot missed. The one certainty  it was not JBC.

JBC stated he did not hear the shot that hit him, but he also said he cried out Oh No No No after he was struck. Both Nellie and Jackie stated that was after the first shot. Nellie added before the second shot. Jackie stated there were only the two shots. 

Ultimately, where is the eyewitness to JFK not reacting to the first shot.

Nellie is definite the first shot struck JFK not just vanished into thin air. She also referenced JBC's own words as to when he was struck by the first shot. AS did Jackie.

 Mrs. CONNALLY. In fact the receptions had been. so good every place that I had showed much restraint by not mentioning something about it before.
I could resist no longer. When we got past this area I did turn to the President and said, "Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you."
Then I don't know how soon, it seems to me it was very soon, that I heard a noise, and not being an expert rifleman, I was not aware that it was a rifle. It was just a frightening noise, and it came from the right.
I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the President as he had both hands at his neck.
Mr. SPECTER. And you are indicating with your own hands, two hands crossing over gripping your own neck?
Mrs. CONNALLY. Yes; and it seemed to me there was--he made no utterance, no cry. I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face, and he just sort of slumped down.
Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then there was a second shot, and it hit John, on there was the second shot that hit John.

The theory there was an early missed shot is ridiculous. No evidence of one at all.

A Zapruder clearly states when the first shot took place.

Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.

Here is the best part. A handful of clowns decided to do jiggle analysis a guy who states he only heard two shots. Probably the same group of clowns who invented the early missed shot because there was not other way of rectifying three shots and a 2.3 second cycle time of the carcano. They should have just paid attention to what the eyewitnesses told them.

Well, that was all certainly predictable.

Can we get back now to whether Oswald could drive, or maybe what Tippit was doing at Top Ten Records?

Why does that matter?

How about a little better Billy Meier UFO to get things back on track?

It reminds me of a photo that appeared in the now defunct Columbus Citizen-Journal back in the 1970s during another wave of UFO sightings. The photographer had tossed the cap of a roll of film into the air and photographed it against the Columbus skyline to show how easy it was to fake these photos, even before the days of AI. Does anybody ever stop to wonder why all these UFOs seem to be a different make and model. Have the space aliens sent an entire armada of spaceships to the Third Rock from the Sun?

None of them were German.

Poetic license, Herr Corbett.

Probably.

Probably what?

Mandatory sterilization and euthanasia for Dems, or Fred was probably a Southern Democrat in NYC?

In 2024 the Democrats were comparing Trump's Madison Square Garden rally to a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939, even though they weren't even in the same building.

Do all fascistic rallies have to be held in the same building to be considered fascistic?

Mann was out of the service by 1967.

The important aspect is, Mann told the HSCA he had been blunted in efforts to pursue LHO-Cuba leads, and then he was quickly transferred elsewhere. Maybe those assignments were promotions, or maybe consolations. 

Here is my general take:

We have LBJ instructing WC'ers Warren and Russell to find out nothing that might trigger a nuke war (and those were hair-trigger days, see the CMC, 50/50 we get nuked).

We have the Katzenbach memo (11/25).

We have early memos from Hoover indicating he thought that the LN had been captured.

We have Mann and Thomas saying they were forcefully dissuaded from following LHO-Cuba leads.

I have reasonable doubts the WX/FBI prosecuted LHO-G2-KGB leads with vigor, or even much at all.

There was no evidence the G2 or KGB were involved in the assassination. Still isn't. Just mindless speculation.

By the time the HSCA got on the case, the trail was 15 years old, and the HSCA was more Mob- and CIA-suspicious.

There was no evidence of CIA or Mafia involvement in the assassination. Still isn't. Just mindless speculation by Blakey.[

OT side note:

Dulles famously told the WC that presidential assassibatios were all LN jobs.

Just 3 out of 4. Booth led a conspiracy to decapitate the federal government.

That is true---all successful assassinations.

but

Puerto Rican nationalists Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola attempted to assassinate President Harry S. Truman on November 1, 1950. The attack occurred at Blair House in Washington, D.C., where Truman was temporarily residing during White House renovations. The plot failed when security forces intercepted the gunmen before they could enter the building.

So, there have been serious conspiracies to assassinate Presidents, and one was hatched only 13 years before the JFKA.

Assassinations are better when carried out by individuals rather than a committee. Even Booth handled the Lincoln assassination by himself. The rest of his clan were screw ups.

OT side note:

Dulles famously told the WC that presidential assassibatios were all LN jobs.

That is true---all successful assassinations.

Abraham Lincoln? https://www.nps.gov/foth/learn/historyculture/the-lincoln-conspirators.htm

(John Wilkes Booth was an extremely successful actor and was once described as "the handsomest man alive." Just a bit of Lincoln conspiracy trivia. I visited Ford's Theatre in 2020 and, like Dealey Plaza, found it to be surprisingly small.)