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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 03:06:07 AM »
Can you please tell me why someone in the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (of which Nosenko-loving and Shadrin-losing Solie was Deputy Chief) arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics to have all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming "defection" sent to it instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division?--TG

I do not have any theories, conjecture, hypotheses or deductions on that.

The WC concluded LHO was not KGB or G2. If WC conclusions are fallible...then where are we in our JFKA narratives?

If Solie was in fact a KGB mole, then he had his reasons for manipulating information traffic, as he was working for the evil and bad KGB.

If Solie was in fact an earnest mole-hunter, he may have other reasons for cutting off the flow of non-CIA cables to SRD. Perhaps to find out if someone in SRD was finding out the censored info anyway---indicating that someone could be KGB.

The case against Solie is interesting.

On the other hand, the case is only a deduction, a conspiracy theory on Solie.

There is no evidence of Solie-KGB communiques, and LHO never said, "Someone representing Solie (or even the CIA) sent me to the USSR." Solie was soft on Nosenko, but so were some others.

I lean towards Solie being a KGB asset, but it is a suspicion.

There has been no trial, and Solie is not around to defend his reputation.

Maybe.



 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Hypothetical question
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 02:26:46 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 01:05:48 AM
Problem for a shot at Z270 hitting JC is that the bullet is NOT fragmenting into multiple pieces. If the conventional LN theory for a 2nd shot is CE 399 which went thru 2 bodies and a wrist bone and that CE 399 did NOT fragment , then why should we believe a Z270 shot that only passed  thru JCs body would fragment?

 I say A (CE399 was the first shot and did not cause JBC’s torso wound) is false and B (the second shot struck JBC in the torso and forearm and fragmented with fragments going high on and over the windshield causing the windshield damage and striking Tague) is true, based on the evidence.  You argue that B can’t be true because if B was true then A couldn’t be true! That is true of course, but it doesn’t advance an argument.

The whole point is that CE 399 did not pass “thru 2 and a wrist bone”.  I am suggesting it passed through JFK ‘s neck and caused JBC’s thigh wound.  That is why it was hardly damaged.

If a second shot struck JBC at full speed and struck bone in the torso and smashed the radius it would have experienced forces that exceeded the yield strength of its copper jacket, which means it would have fragmented.

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So unless this Z 270 bullet exiting JCs lower right side chest at 1500 ft/ sec did some amazing deflecting back  left and upward to get past the front seat , then over the windshield and then makes a final physics defying parabolic arc downwards again after traveling across the plaza green, there no way it’s hitting the curb near Tague.
If it strikes the radius at z271 or so and bullet fragments deflect off the back of the forearm surface which is angled up and to the right, they are going to deflect away from the point of contact, which is up and to the left. 

One fragment struck the windshield frame so something deflected it upward. How would a fragment from the head shot have deflected upward? What could fragments have struck to cause such a deflection?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 01:57:37 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:54:09 PM
You didn't need to bump it. It was silly enough the first time you posted it.

   As we see above, everyone knows....................But You. This is what research is ALL about. Knowing what you are talking about.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 01:56:23 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 01:47:26 AM
   BUMP with respect to, "....ALL these soldiers were struck in the head............"



JonhM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 01:47:26 AM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Yesterday at 06:10:38 AM
JohnC is right, you've been watching too much Dirty Harry, real life isn't a Hollywood movie.

All these Soldiers were struck in the head with FMJ bullets and not one soldier is forcefully propelled forward and in fact not even one falls forward, they simply crumple straight down and fall back towards the shooters.



Mythbusters had multiple men firing into a pig carcass and it barely moved.



So you think the closest images that we have to what's on the actual Zapruder Film is outdated but your digitally enhanced Zapruder Frames which obscures detail and is not much better than being covered with Vaseline is the Gold standard, Interesting!

JohnM

   BUMP with respect to, "....ALL these soldiers were struck in the head............"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 01:30:23 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 05:11:20 PM
   Come on now John. We do Not know that ALL of those guys were shot in the head. What I do know is that NOT a single head EXPLODES. Not 1!



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What I do know is that NOT a single head EXPLODES. Not 1!

Kennedy's head doesn't literally EXPLODE either, so what's your point?

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We do Not know that ALL of those guys were shot in the head.

Well, the guy at the front certainly was shot in the head and there is an expulsion of a cloud of biological matter just behind the hat flying off. There is simply not enough "Zapruder" type resolution to make out the rest.



And considering that we know that the first Soldier was struck in the head and nearly all the shooters are aiming at the same height it follows that their targets were the Soldier's heads. The idea was to kill them, not give them survivable flesh wounds. Doh!



But at the end of the day wherever you think they may have been struck, your absurd theory that the force of a bullet flung Kennedy into the back of his seat has been thoroughly destroyed.

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Hypothetical question
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 01:05:48 AM »
Problem for a shot at Z270 hitting JC is that the bullet is NOT fragmenting into multiple pieces. If the conventional LN theory for a 2nd shot is CE 399 which went thru 2 bodies and a wrist bone and that CE 399 did NOT fragment , then why should we believe a Z270 shot that only passed  thru JCs body would fragment?

So unless this Z 270 bullet exiting JCs lower right side chest at 1500 ft/ sec did some amazing deflecting back  left and upward to get past the front seat , then over the windshield and then makes a final physics defying parabolic arc downwards again after traveling across the plaza green, there no way it’s hitting the curb near Tague.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 12:47:46 AM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Yesterday at 06:10:38 AM
JohnC is right, you've been watching too much Dirty Harry, real life isn't a Hollywood movie.

All these Soldiers were struck in the head with FMJ bullets and not one soldier is forcefully propelled forward and in fact not even one falls forward, they simply crumple straight down and fall back towards the shooters.



Mythbusters had multiple men firing into a pig carcass and it barely moved.



So you think the closest images that we have to what's on the actual Zapruder Film is outdated but your digitally enhanced Zapruder Frames which obscures detail and is not much better than being covered with Vaseline is the Gold standard, Interesting!

JohnM

So would not this  pig body and those soldiers not moving much after being shot with a bullet presumably at  2000ft/ sec velocity, negate the argument for the SBT bullet (only 1500 ft/sec) having caused JCs upper body and right shoulder to move so dramatically forward and rotating at Z224-Z230)?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Are there any "researchers" here who started out as LNs but who are now CTs?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:28:47 AM »
Quote from: Joffrey van de Wiel on Yesterday at 11:13:59 PM
Well Tom, I am still going to read the book. I find it hard to believe that Garrison didn't uncover anything of value in his long investigation of Oswald in New Orleans. Also curious about the source for the question asked of Marina Oswald on the night of the 24th of November if I recall the date correctly: if her husband had known a David Ferry (sic).

Ferrie, Banister, Shaw, Dean Andrews, the Cubans, Sergio Arcacha Smith etc, it will be an interesting read.

Fine, but you should balance it out by reading Patricia Lambert's book, "False Witness," which you can read for free by googling "false witness" "lambert" and "archive" simultaneously.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 12:22:53 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 05:28:47 PM
I wanted to try an experiment but I had trouble finding someone who would agree to be shot.  There was also a problem in drafting an effective consent form but I never got that far.

I’m serious about an experiment with replica  (not real ) human bodies.

And I would like an actually CORRECT set up of the SN with boxes and pipes and and a tree and a curbing road and the shooter required to not set up in a reduction fire position and there’s a car with the 2 remote control androids that can be adjusted and the JC android will be holding a Stetson hat with the right right hand.

I think this could be and interesting  and channeling opportunity for  Elon Musk to set up this experiment both for testing androids,  Self driving cars AND proving or disproving the viability of the Z190/Z270  sequence shot theory.
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