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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:10:57 AM »MC-
Paul Landis may have been a team player. The team went along with the official JFKA explanation.
Ponder Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman. He said bullets entered the limo in a "flurry" on 11.22. Obviously, based on his own statement, based on what Kellerman saw himself that day, that was not the result of a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.
Kellerman made no issue about what he saw, and drifted into obscurity after the JFKA.
Landis did too...but something made Landis set the record straight.
Paul Landis may have been a team player. The team went along with the official JFKA explanation.
Ponder Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman. He said bullets entered the limo in a "flurry" on 11.22. Obviously, based on his own statement, based on what Kellerman saw himself that day, that was not the result of a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.
Kellerman made no issue about what he saw, and drifted into obscurity after the JFKA.
Landis did too...but something made Landis set the record straight.
This kind ofmakes me laugh
nutters lol
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:06:19 AM »JC--
You think when people use the word "bullet," even in an FBI memo written by a licensed lawyer, they are leaving open to interpretation, in fact make it misleadingly unclear, whether they are referring to a whole bullet or slug, vs. a fragment or shrapnel?
I think 99% of people call a whole bullet a "bullet" and small pieces of a bullet "fragments", "pieces" or "shrapnel."
Can you find an example of an FBI memo that refers to fragments as a singular "bullet"?
You think when people use the word "bullet," even in an FBI memo written by a licensed lawyer, they are leaving open to interpretation, in fact make it misleadingly unclear, whether they are referring to a whole bullet or slug, vs. a fragment or shrapnel?
I think 99% of people call a whole bullet a "bullet" and small pieces of a bullet "fragments", "pieces" or "shrapnel."
Can you find an example of an FBI memo that refers to fragments as a singular "bullet"?
Not with that idiotic story. It made no sense.
Neither does "whole".
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I almost forgot. Yesterday was a big anniversary for Lee Harvey Oswald.
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:47:29 AM »BTW / FWIW ....
OCTOBER 16 is also the anniversary date of Lee Harvey Oswald's first day on the job as an order filler at the Book Depository.
Interesting!
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I almost forgot. Yesterday was a big anniversary for Lee Harvey Oswald.
« Last post by David Von Pein on Today at 01:40:59 AM »BTW / FWIW ....
OCTOBER 16 is also the anniversary date of Lee Harvey Oswald's first day on the job as an order filler at the Book Depository.
OCTOBER 16 is also the anniversary date of Lee Harvey Oswald's first day on the job as an order filler at the Book Depository.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I almost forgot. Yesterday was a big anniversary for Lee Harvey Oswald.
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 11:32:33 PM »I almost forgot that yesterday was the sixty-seventh anniversary of former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald’s arrival in Moscow.
Oswald had gotten out of active duty via a sketchy hardship deferment (his mother had hurt her nose when a box fell on it at work), and he entered the USSR from Helsinki as a tourist, but on 30 October 1959, he walked into the Embassy and told Consul Richard Snyder, Consular Officer John McVickar, and the KGB microphones in the walls that he had applied for Soviet citizenship, that he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship, and that he planned on telling the Soviets everything he had learned as a Marine radar operator. (After the JFK assassination, the KGB claimed that it hadn’t realized that Oswald had been stationed at a U-2 base in Japan).
Snyder and McVicker later reported that Oswald seemed amazingly well-prepared for a twenty-year-old high school dropout.
Author John M. Newman believes Bruce Solie (about whom Tennent H. Bagley wrote scathingly in his 2007 book, Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games) in the CIA’s mole-hunting Office of Security was a KGB mole, himself, and that when (probable mole, imho) George Kisevalter sent a cable to CIA headquarters in April 1958 telling it that its spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, had just told him in West Berlin that the Kremlin had all of the top-secret details of the U-2 spy plane, Solie sent Oswald to Moscow as an ostensible “dangle” in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for “Popov’s U-2 Mole” (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA — the Soviet Russia Division.
If true, Kisevalter's and Solie’s doing so caused a mole hunt that not only lasted nine years, tore the Soviet Russia Division apart and drove CIA Counterintelligence chief Angleton nuts, but prevented Solie from being uncovered.
P.S. 16 October 1959 was also, ironically(?), the same day that Popov was publicly arrested in Moscow after having been secretly arrested there in early December 1958. (In other words — contrary to what Cherepanov and Nosenko, et al., said and the zombified CIA now says — Popov wasn’t uncovered due to "superior KGB surveillance and sloppy CIA tradecraft" in early 1959, but was betrayed by a mole significantly earlier than that.)
According to the "intel" on this forum, KGB vs. CIA expert Steve M. Galbraith is posting in this thread.
For like an hour, now.
Question:
Will he decide, as he almost always does, not to post whatever it is he's writing?
A fevered defense of Yuri Nosenko, perhaps?
A refutation of "brainwashed-by-Golitsyn-and-Angleton" Bagley?
Whatcha got, Steve M.?
LOL!
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General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Re: Am I the only one...
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 11:28:06 PM »Hey, Tim, no, not out of bounds. I understand your point, I'm comparing apples and oranges to a possibly unreasonable extrent. OTOH, ChatGPT informs us the average net worth of Boston black households is $8,000 compared to $247,500 for white households.
My point is to show how extreme Richard's POV is.
Total population figures are both genders combined.
Another angle.....females incarcerated in Idaho, 1,470, total population, 2 million. Wallethub safety ranking #19
Males incarcerated in Idaho, 9200, total population, 2 million.
Arkansas population 3,000,000 State and local combined imprisoned 23,850, including 1,650 females, safety ranking #46
females incarcerated in Massachusetts, 700, total population, 7 million. Wallethub states safety ranking #2
Males incarcerated in Massachusetts, 5300, total population, 7 million.
Only Floridas, Arkansas and Georgia actively execute :
Illinois population 12,700,000 Total incarcerated, 30,000 including federal prisoners State Wallethub safety ranking #38
New York population 20,200,000 Total incarcerated, 41,000 does not include federal prisoners safety ranking #20
Florida population 23,400,000 Total incarcerated 143,500 does not include federal prisoners safety ranking #47
Georgia population 10,700,000 Total incarcerated state prisons 50,400, total local state and federal 105,000 safety ranking #41
People are fleeing the liberal hellscapes for red states. All the deflections in the world don't change the obvious conclusion that they are doing so due to the failed leftist policies that have made those places unlivable for law abiding American citizens. The only people who are staying are the homeless, illegal aliens, and criminals.
IOW, the "beatings" (other worldly incarceration rate and counter productive executions) will continue as far as states with Republican controlled state governments are concerned until they run out of money building each ding new prison beds at $300,000, or until the morale improves!
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https://alabamaappleseed.org/news/alabama-department-of-corrections-5-billion-in-spending-in-five-years/
Alabama Department of Corrections: $5 billion in spending in five years
Aug 25, 2025$85 million from the General Fund in FY25 and FY26 for debt service on prison construction bonds issued to build the 4000-bed prison in Elmore County. By way of comparison, each bed in the Governor Kay Ivey megaprison, comes at a cost of $300,000, significantly more than the...
Two states with similar populations but almost nothing in common, other than that,
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/
Massachusetts, Democratic Party controlled state government, Ranked 2nd safest state
Population 7.2 million. No executions, 241 per 100,000 population incarcerated.
Tennessee, Republican Party controlled state government, Ranked 37th safest state
Population 7.3 million. Executions, 817 per 100,000 population incarcerated.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release/tables?eid=391444&rid=330
Massachusetts, 48.3% earned at least Bachelor's degree
Tennessee, 32.4% earned at least Bachelor's degree
Disability, percent ages 18 to 64 with a disability, reply to question by ChatGPT,
Massachusetts 9.0 %
Tennessee 15.4 %
https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-states-to-live-in/4566
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Anyone can fact check what this Ebay seller is saying?
« Last post by Denis Morissette on Yesterday at 11:26:00 PM »I've just sent a message to the seller asking him for sources.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Anyone can fact check what this Ebay seller is saying?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Anyone can fact check what this Ebay seller is saying?
« Last post by Denis Morissette on Yesterday at 11:05:28 PM »20
General Discussion And Debate (Any Topic) / Len McCoy's problematic reason for believing Yuri Nosenko was a true defector.
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 09:46:09 PM »Putative KGB staff officer Yuri Nosenko, the ostensible deputy chief of the Second Chief Directorate’s British and American Tourists section who had implausibly been chosen to serve as the security officer of a Soviet Arms Negotiation Delegation in Geneva in 1962 and 1964, “walked in” to the CIA there in June 1962, offering to trade two or three bits of KGB intelligence for $250 worth of “desperately needed” Swiss francs. He ended up telling his two case officers, Tennent H. Bagley and probable mole George Kisevalter, lots more than just two secrets during the five meetings they had in a Geneva safe house.
One of the things he told them was that his drinking buddy, KGB officer Yuri Guk, (one of “The Three Musketeers” the FBI saw acting suspiciously so often around D.C. movie houses in early 1957) was able to get him admitted to the KGB’s top-secret Rezidency in Geneva where a garrulous officer inexplicably told him that CIA’s spy, Boris Belitsky, a famous radio personality in Russia, was actually a Kremlin-loyal triple agent.
Probable mole Leonard V. McCoy (R.I.P.) of the CIA’s Soviet Russia Division Reports & Requirements department, tells us in an article on his website, “Ironbark, Inc.” that the reason he decided Nosenko was a true defector was because Kisevalter told him the above story and thereby “confirmed his suspicions” that Belitsky was fake despite his having passed a polygraph exam with flying colors.
Bagley, on the other hand, tells us in his book, Spy Wars, that true defector Anatoly Golitsyn, who had defected to the U.S. six months earlier, knew about Belitsky and that KGB headquarters “knew that he knew.”
To “dot the I” on the last point, Bagley’s friend, former KGB General Sergey Kondrashev, told him a few years after the Cold War that the committee that was set up to determine the extent of damage caused by Golitsyn’s December 1961 defection told him that it definitely knew that Golitsyn had told the CIA about him
In other words, there was a high-level mole in the CIA.
Background:
Golitsyn quickly and furtively (because he wasn’t supposed to have it) read the file on the KGB’s mole in Germany, SASHA, at KGB headquarters around 1951. About all he could remember about SASHA when he defected in December 1961 was that he was based in West Germany, that he was married to a foreigner, and that his name started with a “K” and ended with a “-ski” or “-sky.” Golitsyn mistakenly believed that the KGB agent's codename was SASHA when in fact it was his nickname.
We know that Golitsyn met with the Office of Security’s Bruce Solie four days after he arrived in the U.S. in late December 1961 — when Solie may have tricked him into choosing Serge Klibansky’s name rather than Alexander Kopatzky’s from a list of SASHA suspects — and we also know that Solie was James Angleton’s mole hunting superior and confidant — the last point is evidenced by the fact that Angleton, trying in vain to get Golitsyn to resume working with Solie, told Golitsyn, David E. Murphy, and Raymond Rocca on 29 June 1978 that Solie’s office was the only one that he didn’t fear was penetrated by the KGB.
Ironically, in October 1968 Angleton’s confidant cleared his and Bagley’s bugbear, Nosenko, via a bogus polygraph exam — one of the worst that polygraph expert Richard O. Arther had ever seen in 1978 — and a specious report.
Point being:
If Counterintelligence Chief Angleton was Golitsyn’s primary contact at CIA headquarters soon after he arrived from Helsinki (as is very probable), Golitsyn probably told him about Belitsky and Kondrashev. Angleton may have shared that intel with his trusted Philby-like confidant, Solie, and Solie, in turn, probably shared it with KGB headquarters.
P.S. The birthname of Peter Karlow (who was already suspected in the Easy Chair case) was Serge Klibansky, and one of Igor Orlov’s many former names was Alexander "Sasha" Kopatsky.
P.P.S. Angleton described Orlov/Kopatzky as a long-running master Soviet spy in his 1978 HSCA testimony.
One of the things he told them was that his drinking buddy, KGB officer Yuri Guk, (one of “The Three Musketeers” the FBI saw acting suspiciously so often around D.C. movie houses in early 1957) was able to get him admitted to the KGB’s top-secret Rezidency in Geneva where a garrulous officer inexplicably told him that CIA’s spy, Boris Belitsky, a famous radio personality in Russia, was actually a Kremlin-loyal triple agent.
Probable mole Leonard V. McCoy (R.I.P.) of the CIA’s Soviet Russia Division Reports & Requirements department, tells us in an article on his website, “Ironbark, Inc.” that the reason he decided Nosenko was a true defector was because Kisevalter told him the above story and thereby “confirmed his suspicions” that Belitsky was fake despite his having passed a polygraph exam with flying colors.
Bagley, on the other hand, tells us in his book, Spy Wars, that true defector Anatoly Golitsyn, who had defected to the U.S. six months earlier, knew about Belitsky and that KGB headquarters “knew that he knew.”
To “dot the I” on the last point, Bagley’s friend, former KGB General Sergey Kondrashev, told him a few years after the Cold War that the committee that was set up to determine the extent of damage caused by Golitsyn’s December 1961 defection told him that it definitely knew that Golitsyn had told the CIA about him
In other words, there was a high-level mole in the CIA.
Background:
Golitsyn quickly and furtively (because he wasn’t supposed to have it) read the file on the KGB’s mole in Germany, SASHA, at KGB headquarters around 1951. About all he could remember about SASHA when he defected in December 1961 was that he was based in West Germany, that he was married to a foreigner, and that his name started with a “K” and ended with a “-ski” or “-sky.” Golitsyn mistakenly believed that the KGB agent's codename was SASHA when in fact it was his nickname.
We know that Golitsyn met with the Office of Security’s Bruce Solie four days after he arrived in the U.S. in late December 1961 — when Solie may have tricked him into choosing Serge Klibansky’s name rather than Alexander Kopatzky’s from a list of SASHA suspects — and we also know that Solie was James Angleton’s mole hunting superior and confidant — the last point is evidenced by the fact that Angleton, trying in vain to get Golitsyn to resume working with Solie, told Golitsyn, David E. Murphy, and Raymond Rocca on 29 June 1978 that Solie’s office was the only one that he didn’t fear was penetrated by the KGB.
Ironically, in October 1968 Angleton’s confidant cleared his and Bagley’s bugbear, Nosenko, via a bogus polygraph exam — one of the worst that polygraph expert Richard O. Arther had ever seen in 1978 — and a specious report.
Point being:
If Counterintelligence Chief Angleton was Golitsyn’s primary contact at CIA headquarters soon after he arrived from Helsinki (as is very probable), Golitsyn probably told him about Belitsky and Kondrashev. Angleton may have shared that intel with his trusted Philby-like confidant, Solie, and Solie, in turn, probably shared it with KGB headquarters.
P.S. The birthname of Peter Karlow (who was already suspected in the Easy Chair case) was Serge Klibansky, and one of Igor Orlov’s many former names was Alexander "Sasha" Kopatsky.
P.P.S. Angleton described Orlov/Kopatzky as a long-running master Soviet spy in his 1978 HSCA testimony.