JFK Assassination Forum

I'm assuming you're talking about the moment JFK is shot for the first time causing his fists to go up to his throat. The question is, if we assume there are three shots from the TSBD, which shot is this - first, second or third?
IMO the shot that caused JFK to raise his fists to his throat occurred at z223. The opening post of this thread is an assertion that no shot took place before z207. Less than one second after this (z223) Kennedy is hit. This leads me to conclude the first shot fired from the TSBD is the one that hits Kennedy in the throat. Quite a number of "ear-witnesses" describe a pattern to the shots - shot, pause, two shots closer together. If this is the case the second shot must be the head-shot with the third shot coming shortly after that.

Ear and eyewitnesses will lead you astray because they are wrong as often as they are right. When I read a witnesses statement for the first time, my initial reaction is, that might be right. It might also be wrong. The only way to determine that is how it fits with the body of evidence as a whole. There is one reliable witness and that is Zapruder's camera. Every other witness should be evaluated on how well or poorly their statement conforms with the Z-film. JBC is the key to determining when the first shot was fired. He said he turned to look over his right shoulder in reaction to the first shot. So is he right or wrong. We see him start to make that turn at Z164. So the question then becomes is he turning in reaction to the first shot which happened earlier or is he turning in anticipation of a shot that would come later. That question answers itself. The only question is how much before that turn did the first shot occur. Opinions vary but my belief is the shot would have been fired in the z147-148 window with the sound reaching JBC's ears at Z149-150. That puts his cognitive reaction about 3/4 of a second after hearing the gunshot. There are a number of witnesses who either did not hear or did not recognize the first sound as a gunshot. That would include Jack and Jackie as well as Clint Hill who only remembers hearing two shots. Agent Glen Bennett did hear the first shot while he was scanning the crowd to the right of the motorcade. He turned to look at JFK and saw the SECOND shot strike JFK in the back about five seconds before the headshot that killed him. Bennett's recollection should be given a good deal of weight because he wrote about this in his notes about AF1 on the flight back to Washington. Bennett would have had no other way of knowing JFK was shot in the back since he was on his back from the time he was wheeled into the ER until he was placed in the casket.

Still not clear enough, but I still say It's A Woman 

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Cropped Frames From 6th Floor Museum Copy Of The Darnell Film

    This balding man showing a massive amount of forehead is Lovelady. No question. This means Lovelady can Not be one of the "2 Guys" walking away from the "getaway" car. So exactly Who are those guys? And where did they come from? The came from inside the "getaway" car

The JFK Assassination Investigation should have been over in 1964. Nothing that has been learned since invalidates any of the WC's core findings. It's been 62 years of doggy doo-doo since.

    John - Enjoy your "doggy doo-doo" day.

   YOU are the ostrich with his head firmly buried in the ground. And those volunteering their time and talent further reveal You to be completely outta step. The JFK Assassination Investigation has passed you by. Please step to the side.   

The JFK Assassination Investigation should have been over in 1964. Nothing that has been learned since invalidates any of the WC's core findings. It's been 62 years of doggy doo-doo since.

While I'm off in the ozone anyway, I virtually never see it discussed why Oswald would have felt he was obligated to shoot JFK from the cramped, exceedingly risky, difficult-to-escape-from 6th floor of the TSBD. OK, you've decided to shoot JFK. No one pays any attention to what you're doing anyway, and the event is during the lunch hour. Disappear a few minutes early with your curtain rods, ascend to the roof of the Dal-Tex building or wherever, do the deed, and blend back into the crowd. By all accounts, it would have been an easier shot. Ba-da-boom, ba-da-bing.

The sniper’s nest was apparently set up for supported shots, while seated on the seat box, in the kill zone (just after the limo emerged from beneath the oak tree) on Elm Street. Yes, I have built my own full size physical model and sat in it while aiming a similar sized rifle at targets placed at the proper angles. I cannot imagine any other reasonable place providing an easier shot. It is tight quarters, but concealment was part of LHO’s reason for selecting that spot. While simply sitting straight up on the seat box, LHO was able to view the approaching limo on Houston Street without exposing much of himself to the folks outside (for the most part). When the limo was essentially right below LHO all he had to do was raise the rifle up from his lap, lean forward, support his arm and the rifle on the window boxes, aim and pull the trigger. He was mostly concealed until the very last few seconds.

For what it is worth, I helped my cousin eliminate a groundhog a few days ago. It was rambling down a grassy hill when I saw it. I kept an eye on it while my cousin went to fetch his rifle. I told him where it was at the point in time that he returned with his rifle. He spotted it, dropped down so his arm and the rifle were supported on the table in front of him, and hit the groundhog in the head the first and only shot. The whole shot sequence only took a very few seconds. He isn’t an expert marksman or anything but knows how to shoot pretty well. I don’t think he had practiced with his rifle recently. He and his wife just returned from their winter home in the Florida Keys a week or two ago. A supported shot while seated is one of the most stable shots available to a shooter.