Dear Macho-Genius FPR,

Dan Rather and Gloria Calvery's colleague, Karen Westbrook, screwed up a lot, too.

Were they "dingbats"?

If you had been standing where Mary Woodward was standing at 12:30 on 11/22/63, would you have been able to write down correctly, a couple of hours later, everything you had witnessed?

And 20, 30, 40 years later, too?

Macho genius that you are?

-- Tom

Oh, dear, TG doesn't react well when caught with his pants down and egg on his weenie, does he?

With your kind permission, I will repeat what I just posted on your other OCD-driven Mary Woodward thread, to wit:

Mary was so "traumatized" when writing her article literally minutes after the assassination (according to her on C-SPAN in 1993) that she FORGOT WHERE SHE WAS. She and her coworkers had planned to watch on Houston, but because of the crowds they crossed to Elm and stationed themselves "just down" from the TSBD. Writing her article minutes later, she thought she'd spent the entire time on the grassy knoll, the shots came from behind and to her right, the Newmans were ten feet away, and the Newmans covered their child because "Apparently, the bullets had whizzed directly over their heads."

Now THAT, by God, is "traumatized!" 

Give it up. You're just digging yourself deeper in a hole. At best - AT BEST - Mary was a dingbat. At worst - well, I'm not sure what to make of her.

To repeat: She wrote her article IMMEDIATELY after returning to her office. And, yes, I am confident that if I had been standing along Elm the entire time I would not have thought I'd been sitting on the grassy knoll the entire time. If she was that traumatized, NOTHING she ever said is of any significance whatsoever.

Mary is a certified dingbat. Here is the 1993 panel that Milicent Cranor mentioned. Mary appears at 1:20. As in the 2015 interview, she says they had planned to watch the motorcade from Houston but, because it was crowded, they walked across Houston and stationed themselves "just down from" the TSBD; absolutely nothing about the grassy knoll, except that she repeats making the comment to her coworker that the grassy knoll looked like a dangerous spot and there must be lots of security up there. She thought the "first shot" sounded like a firecracker and turned to her coworker and asked what it was. The third shot came "very, very quickly on top of" the second. Her big schtick is that the limo almost came to a stop after the first shot (?) and she has been forever haunted by the thought that JFK might have lived if the Secret Service had reacted more quickly after the "first shot" (which she herself thinks missed and didn't recognize as a shot?).

To make things worse, she typed up her story within minutes of getting back to the office. She reread it just before this appearance, and "the only thing [she] got wrong" was saying that the shots seemed to come from behind and to her right - which she then explains by her hearing issue. Well, no, Mary, you got wrong where the hell you WERE. You specifically said you and your coworkers and your lunches "decided to wait" on the grassy knoll and had been "waiting" about a half hour before the first motorcycles appeared. The Newmans were about ten feet from you and covered their child because "Apparently, the bullets had whizzed directly over their heads."

The only plausible conclusions are that Mary is a Grade A dingbat or someone got to her as Milicent Cranor suspected. I can't believe the assorted interviews allowed her to get away with the "hearing problem" explanation when it simply doesn't touch the blatant discrepancies in an article typed IMMEDIATELY after the JFKA. Something drastically doesn't add up. No one is THAT confused.

https://www.c-span.org/program/public-affairs-event/journalists-remember-jfk-assassination/121449

Dear Macho-Genius FPR,

Dan Rather and Gloria Calvery's colleague, Karen Westbrook, screwed up a lot, too.

Were they "dingbats"?

If you had been standing where Mary Woodward was standing at 12:30 on 11/22/63, would you have been able to write down correctly, a couple of hours later, everything you had witnessed?

And 20, 30, 40 years later, too?

Macho genius that you are?

-- Tom

JS-

I could never make heads or tails of any of the acoustics evidence.

I have looked at Z-film more times than I could ever want.

Gov. JBC is pushed forward ~Z-295, and JFK is shot Z-313.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

The above happens about ~Z-295.

In the Z-film, it sure looks like JFK's head is reacting to a shot from the GK. But who knows? Maybe there is a "carom effect" from a rear shot in combo with a back brace.

The "bang....bang-bang" cadence heard on 11.22 tends to rule out a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.

I have reasonable doubts LHO acted alone.

 

Mary is a certified dingbat. Here is the 1993 panel that Milicent Cranor mentioned. Mary appears at 1:20. As in the 2015 interview, she says they had planned to watch the motorcade from Houston but, because it was crowded, they walked across Houston and stationed themselves "just down from" the TSBD; absolutely nothing about the grassy knoll, except that she repeats making the comment to her coworker that the grassy knoll looked like a dangerous spot and there must be lots of security up there. She thought the "first shot" sounded like a firecracker and turned to her coworker and asked what it was. The third shot came "very, very quickly on top of" the second. Her big schtick is that the limo almost came to a stop after the first shot (?) and she has been forever haunted by the thought that JFK might have lived if the Secret Service had reacted more quickly after the "first shot" (which she herself thinks missed and didn't recognize as a shot?).

To make things worse, she typed up her story within minutes of getting back to the office. She reread it just before this appearance, and "the only thing [she] got wrong" was saying that the shots seemed to come from behind and to her right - which she then explains by her hearing issue. Well, no, Mary, you got wrong where the hell you WERE. You specifically said you and your coworkers and your lunches "decided to wait" on the grassy knoll and had been "waiting" about a half hour before the first motorcycles appeared. The Newmans were about ten feet from you and covered their child because "Apparently, the bullets had whizzed directly over their heads."

The only plausible conclusions are that Mary is a Grade A dingbat or someone got to her as Milicent Cranor suspected. I can't believe the assorted interviews allowed her to get away with the "hearing problem" explanation when it simply doesn't touch the blatant discrepancies in an article typed IMMEDIATELY after the JFKA. Something drastically doesn't add up. No one is THAT confused.

https://www.c-span.org/program/public-affairs-event/journalists-remember-jfk-assassination/121449

Keep digging that rabbit hole deeper. Absolutely nothing in there than indicates anyone was an accomplice to the assassin. Anyone who rejects that Oswald was the assassin has no hope of ever figuring out the truth of the assassination, and the only way to make the case for conspiracy is to provide evidence that somebody, anybody, conspired with Oswald to kill JFK. We're coming up on the 63rd anniversary of the assassination and no one has been able to make that connection. Is there any reason to believe anyone ever will.

CTs keep treating the JFKA as if it is giant game of Clue and they think if they keep reshuffling the cards, they can produce a different outcome. The only correct answer is that Oswald, did it from the TSBD, with a Carcano rifle.

https://time.com/archive/6841111/investigations-the-inquest-begins-getting-closer-to-nixon/

//This automatic response to any White House request was also demonstrated by the State Department. In Au gust 1971 it cooperated with Hunt after receiving a memo from the White House and two calls from David Young, an Ehrlichman assistant on detached service from Henry Kissinger’s Nation al Security Council staff. Young telephoned William B. Macomber Jr., then a Deputy Under Secretary of State. Macomber granted Hunt full access to the most secret “back -channel” communications (meaning only the addressee and sender should see them) between the State Department and its embassy in Saigon for a period in 1963. Hunt copied 240 of these classified cables.

According to sworn testimony by Hunt, he then examined the cables to determine whether there was any indication, as he hoped, that President John Kennedy had ordered the assassination of South Viet Nam’s President Ngo Dinh Diem. Hunt said that this study was supervised by Charles Colson, then special counsel to Nixon. Hunt claimed that he showed Colson some cables that could conceivably have been interpreted as implied orders from the Kennedy Administration to “pull the trigger against Diem’s head.” According to Hunt, Colson declared: “Well, this isn’t good enough. Do you think that you could improve on them?” Hunt said he would need technical help to fabricate something more conclusive, but Colson replied: “This is too hot. See what you can do on your own.”

To draft a cable that sounded authentic, Hunt said that he then used a White House Xerox machine, a razor blade and a typewriter. Because it lacked the proper type face, however, he knew it would not stand careful scrutiny. He and Colson, Hunt testified, thereupon tried to convince a LIFE correspondent, William Lambert, that the cable was genuine. Lambert was impressed at first but later became doubtful and never wrote about it....

My research results you are reacting to include a small number of people. The odds the associations, timing, and the coordinated activities of the people named were
coincidental are untolled, dismissing the majority of them to pure chance is unreasonable.

The "hands on" activities of the people I am naming took place between 1959 and 1978. The initial relationships began as far back as when the were classmates
as early as 1931.

1931 - Tom Devine, Peter Dryer, Hawley Ward, begin school together at private Allendale-Columbia School in Rochester, NY. Devine's father, Adrian is headmaster.
Tom Devine's grandmother was a first cousin of John D Rockefeller III's father-in law.

..What approach would you take if you were to do and share JFK Assassination research that would be more productive than my approach? Should the details I and others who employ the research techniques I employ, not be found and shared? Are they mostly unimportant? How do you know?

As an example, my latest is posted in the Cord Meyer thread. I was searching for relationships of Joseph F. Dryer and family and Thomas J. Devine and family, all of Rochester, NY. Instead a reference to Louise Hooker and Devine's maternal grandfather, Charles W. Dodge caught my eye.

Then, pursuing the obvious, I researched whether Charles W. Dodge has married a close relative of Edward Gordon Hooker; whether Demohrenschildt's step nephew and oil exploration partner was related to Devine's grandmother, and thus, to Devine.

George L. Ohrstrom, Jr., and Family, Father was Prescott Bush ...

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/18989-george-l-ohrstrom-jr-and-family-father-was-prescott-bush-friend/

Apr 8, 2012 – Miss Alexandra Mills Is Bride of TJ Devine ... Mrs. Thomas J. Devine and of the late Prof. and Mrs. Charles W. Dodge,

Instead, I found that Devine's maternal grandmother, Louise Hooker Dodge, was the first cousin of Elon Huntington Hooker, father-in-law of John D. Rockefeller, III, who married Hooker's daughter, Blanchette Ferry Hooker, in 1932.

David Milton's son-in-law, George O'Neill, was employed at Train, Cabot. Thomas J. Devine was employed at Train, Cabot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Rockefeller_Mauz%C3%A9
Abby Rockefeller Mauzé - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She had two daughters with her first husband, David Milton: Abby Rockefeller Milton, married George Dorr O'Neill; Marilyn Rockefeller Milton, married William .....

Robert G. Stone, Jr. married Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller's daughter, Marion. Thomas J. Devine was a director at Stone's Stonetex oil exploration company. Robert G. Stone, Jr. was the Harvard Fund officer linked to the manipulative bailout of Harken Energy. Harken's Alan Quasha had bought George W Bush's worthless oil exploration company, resulting in Bush having the funds to buy one percent of the Texas Ranger's baseball team, positioning Bush as a viable contender for Texas governor.

Marion Rockefeller's brother, Godfrey Anderson, became a Bell, Dallas helicopter test pilot in the late 1950's at the time David Mitlon headed the Equity Corp., majority owner of Bell Aircraft and appointed George O'Neill to the Bell board of directors and Walter Dornberger as Bell V.P.

If you're communicating to me that you think the details in the above example are trivial or unimportant, please post why, and how you know this.

I see them as building blocks. 

Who was most exposed financially after the failure of the Bay of Pigsinvasion?

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Godfrey_Stillman_Rockefeller
Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller - SourceWatch
Freeport McMoRan Background "riginally Freeport Texas, the company had became Freeport Sulphur and a bastillion of the elite including the Whitney family, Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller, Chauncey Stillman, Jean Mauze (husband of Abby Rockefeller), Augustus Long (Texaco), and Robert Lovett (friend

1944 -

https://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf
The Beaver Si
Alpha Theta of Sigma Chi
Summer term, 1944
....Of the officers, Ritchie
was Consul, Freiberger was
Pledge Trainer. and Howland
was Magister. Hunter M. Bennett, Jr., "Gary" Coit, Jr., and
Bruce Mayer were then pledges. Accordingly, the chapter conducted a vigorous and successful
July Rush Week. John Taylor
was Rushing Chairman and...
among his most active assistants
were "Tod" Howland, Freiberger, Brannan, Bennett and Coit.
A large class was pledged, headed by Norman Meullen andfor
followed by Carl Bergmann, Thomas Devine, Bradford Endicott, Robert Jenkins, Perry Nies.
Howard Hendershott,

Mary Ferrell Foundation

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=GUIDE-302
Cryptonym: GUIDE-302
104-10135-10088: PARTIAL CONTACT REPORT ON MEETING WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON, 30-31 JAN 2/4/64 report 17457 by Gary Coit, SR/CA: Coit interviewed Priscilla Johnson about a Soviet student named Aseev at Harvard who had decided to defect to the US.

Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
Daily Boston Globe – Aug 14, 1947
… rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
the Hotel … one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
fraternity house … Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
told of taking refuge in ..

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27246-priscilla-johnson-mcmillan-and-the-cia/
Priscilla Johnson McMillan and the CIA - The Education Forum
However, Coit told her he would "probably be back to see her from time to time to see what she knows about specific persons whose names might come up, and she at least nodded assent to this." Priscilla Johnson's Wikipedia article points out she married George McMillan in 1965. He is described as a

Priscilla's cousin, David, thanked by the author, in her book Marina and Lee for shielding Marina from the press upon the release of the WC Report.