JFK Assassination Forum

LP--

You make good points.

OTOH, the Kennedy trip to Dallas was known by the public two months in advance. The actual route was published locally on Nov. 19.

How much planning does it take to say, "We will hole up in the TSBD6 and fire on JFK after he passes. The diversion will fire from the GK area about the same time."

Why would we hole up in the TSBD6? That is a fantastically risky location from every angle, before and after the actual shooting. Even if Oswald was one of our gunman, why was he not on the roof of the Dal-Tex or County Records building? It was the lunch hour - he could have gone anywhere. A high-caliber rifle not traceable to him could have been waiting. As is so often the case, this seems to me like ad hoc reasoning because we are stuck with the inconvenient fact that Oswald did his shooting from TSBD6.

If I can see the screaming flaws in this scenario, how is it possible the KGB and/or G2 couldn't see them?

I haven't followed the "diversion" argument, but what does that add? With or without a diversion, it was a certainty lots of people were going to realize the shots had come from TSBD6 and, moreover, Oswald chances of simply walking out of the building had to be miniscule at best.

It largely involved a huge stroke of luck (LHO in the TSBD), and then pointing guns and shooting.

Even in the LN scenario, I think it involved FANTASTIC strokes of luck, from Oswald managing to get the rifle out of the Paine garage and into the TSDB ... to finding himself alone on the sixth floor ... to actually accomplishing his objective ... to walking out of the building. Without the Tippit encounter, he might still be living in Havana (or maybe Boise) today. This to me cuts against a conspiracy - why would the KGB or G2 trust to all these fantastic strokes of luck, especially with an erratic character like Oswald, when the objective could have been achieved much more easily and cleanly without Oswald at all?

BTW, there is the "Sawyer memo": DPD Inspector Sawyer reported one witness told him that he (the witness) saw a man running from the TSBD carrying a Winchester, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

That was Chuck Connors, who was coincidentally filming an episode of "Rifleman."  Take it from me, a lever-action 30-30 Winchester is not an assassination weapon. I think I described my experience of stupidly sitting on my front porch on my father-in-law's ranch and firing both a 30-06 and a 30-30 Winchester at an old truck frame perhaps 20 yards away. The 30-06 pierced the frame and left a hole as neat as a drill. The 30-30 ricocheted off and thudded against the side of the house about 5 feet to the right of my silly head.

Gus Russo reported LHO was friendly with G2. There's your connection. LHO was seen by some in G2 company in MC and NO.

Much as I'm intrigued by Russo's work, he needs to provide something a lot more evidential than "Take it from me." He seems to have pretty much disappeared from the scene, and I could find no contact information. As stated above, I'm troubled by the fact that G2 would be using someone like Oswald whose background and highly public sympathies would point directly to Castro. Logically, wouldn't they use a gunman who would point away from them if caught, and wouldn't they take a lot more precautions than turning him loose in TSBD6 and leaving him to fend for himself?

I'm really beginning to think I need to come out of retirement and get into planning political assassinations. I seem to be way better at it than all the hypothesized conspirators in the JFKA!

If you really think you've found some game changing evidence of a conspiracy, why are you wasting your time posting it here for a few dozen people to read. Why don't you take what you've discovered to the networks, the cable news channels, and the major newspapers. Surely at least one of them will be interested in such a revelation. You could go down in history as the guy who solved the JFKA.

RT, Newsmax, OANN, Fox News, and Pravda!

Why did it have to be guys. Why couldn't it have just been on guy who got lucky. Why did he need G2-KGB help?

LP--

You make good points.

OTOH, the Kennedy trip to Dallas was known by the public two months in advance. The actual route was published locally on Nov. 19.

Almost 6 weeks after LHO was hired by the TSBD.

How much planning does it take to say, "We will hole up in the TSBD6 and fire on JFK after he passes. The diversion will fire from the GK area about the same time."

How much planning does it take to say, "I'll have Frazier take me to Ruth Paine's house on Thursday evening and I'll get my rifle and hide it in a bag I'm going to make. Then I'll bring it to work the next morning and after everybody breaks for lunch I'll find a secluded spot and when JFK comes by, I'll stick my rifle out the window and blow his brains out."

Remember, LHO had military background, got through Marine boot camp. This is pretty basic stuff. If G2'ers were his confederates, they likely had military backgrounds too.

Why did LHO need confederates?

It was circumstance, or (foul) luck, that LHO worked in the TSBD. Likely, LHO carried his rifle in on 11.22. The other rifle maybe was carried in the same day, or the night before. Security was lax at the TSBD.

Why was another rifle needed?

The JFKA was not a sophisticated operation.

That's true. One guy was able to do it all by himself with a cheap war surplus  rifle.

It largely involved a huge stroke of luck (LHO in the TSBD), and then pointing guns and shooting.

Oswald only had one gun. That's all he needed.

BTW, there is the "Sawyer memo": DPD Inspector Sawyer reported one witness told him that he (the witness) saw a man running from the TSBD carrying a Winchester, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

One nameless witness. That's really compelling. If your imaginary second gunman was on the GK, why was he running from the TSBD?

Gus Russo reported LHO was friendly with G2. There's your connection. LHO was seen by some in G2 company in MC and NO.

There's some hard evidence of a conspiracy. <chuckle>

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

My conclusion is you need a reality check.

   There is MORE than just 1 frame within 29:30. You know this.

Are you being deliberately obtuse??

The GIF I just showed you, showed multiple flowers moving independently!



Here's ALL the frames plus a few more in your much ballyhooed 29:30 timeframe and as can be seen, you're imagining a twisted face from shadows and open spaces. Somewhere in the middle an obvious space between two flowers at the top becomes your right eyebrow and the left eyebrow appears and disappears because it's the shadow between two moving flowers. DOH!



JohnM