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Doesn't it depend on what your criteria are for TF-H ?

Try to keep up, Tommy. Skim the following and then post examples of what is not well supported.:

Wikipedia, in my experience, practices a rule unique to the wikipedia page of John Connolly. At one time, his living daughter was permitted
space on that page, but not anymore. Connolly's immediate predecessor as Texas governor, enjoys a complete accounting, naming all of his children.:

Compare with Gov. Connally's predecessor :


https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/128382#relPageId=4&search=hale%20exner%20corvette
 No Title, pg 4
RIF#: 124-10220-10433   (08/08/62)    FBI#: 92-3267-290, 291
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Roselli
On 8/10/62 it was ascertained from NATB in Los Angeles that the VIN of above car shows that it is a Corvette.
The San Antonio office advised that HALE proba- bly identical with I. B.
HALE,
3548 Kent, Fort Worth, is identical with former Bureau Agent; whether above car and/or license has been reported stolen, and, if not, if HALE still
see all page hits in this document »

https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/128396#relPageId=3&search=hale%20exner%20corvette2. No Title, pg 3
RIF#: 124-10226-10086   (08/17/62)    FBI#: 92-3267-303
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Roselli
Belmont RE: JOHN ROSELLI Hale has twin sons, Billy and Bobby, who are approximately 22 years of age. An associate of I. B.
According to our Los Angeles agents, the man observed leaving the vicinity of Campbell's apartment did so in a Chevrolet Corvette which is a sports car
Hale, the above information is not being disseminated to the Los Angeles Police Department at this time.
...As a matter of interest, one of Hale's sons was formerly married to the daughter of John Connolly..

Defector Robert E. Webster was employed by and sent to Moscow by H. James Rand, the best man in John Shaheen's wedding.

https://newspaperarchive.com/sterling-daily-gazette-may-01-1951-p-9/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Furmark
Roy Furmark....
"He began working with John Shaheen in 1966, who would later introduce him to William Casey.[3]..."

Christian Science Monitor
https://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0102/zgate.html
THE IRAN-CONTRA AFFAIR: Anatomy of a Quagmire - CSMonitor.com
Jan 2, 1987 Oct. 7 CIA Director Casey and aides meet with New York consultant Roy Furmark, who says a group of private Canadian investors, formed to help finance Iran's purchase of US arms at a profit, has

Tampico, IL population was less than 1,000 !
Yeah, they were wonderful! Heaven forbid they granted this, being completely incurious as they professed to be.

The New York Times Replica Edition
https://nytimes.pressreader.com/article/281526525293240

43-Year Secret of Sabotage: Mission to Subvert Carter Is Revealed - The ...
The New York Times What happened next Mr. Barnes has largely kept secret for nearly 43 years. Mr. Connally, he said, took him to one Middle Eastern capital after another that summer, meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Don't release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/us/politics/jimmy-carter-american-hostages-iran.html
Former Iran Hostages Are Divided on Jimmy Carter and a Sabotage Claim
Mar 22, 2023 A former Texas politician, Ben Barnes, told The New York Times that he had toured the Middle East that summer with John B. Connally Jr., the former Texas governor, who told regional leaders that ...
Riveting gatherings, Tom.  Thank you for your honest efforts.
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If the first shot hit JFK at Z222, there were only 4.9 seconds between the first and last shot. That means there had to be an intervening shot whether you believe the that shot was a miss or if it hit only JBC. The theoretical minimum time to fire 3 aimed shots was determined to be 4.6 seconds. That would have required Oswald to fire all three shots in just 0.3 seconds over the minimum required. It is rather ludicrous to believe Oswald was cycling the rifle as fast as humanly possible if he was trying to hit his target. But your entire scenario requires you to believe a number of ludicrous things so what's one more.
But there is evidence that puts the first shot much earlier:  just after z186 (e.g. Betzner) and just before z202 (Phil Willis) as the car approached the Thornton sign (z200, T.E.Moore) when JFK passed across Linda Willis’ sightline to the Stemmons sign (z195-z205-you can work that out based on her position in the zfilm). A first shot at z193 , which us where JFK begins changes to his head and hand positions, leaves 120 frames or 6.6 seconds to load, aim and fire two shots. JFK is already well into his reaction by z225.
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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31468-cardinal-spellman-and-jfks-vietnam-war/page/6/#comment-571501

There is actually nothing new in Cheevers' "revelations". This book, in 2013, presented a day by day account of that critical leadup.

Right wing extremists never quit In this thread, Trump and his sycophant supporters (Rubio ?) are posting crocodile tears for Diem and his brother.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/JFK_s_Last_Hundred_Days/ixNDi6w2FnIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ON+TUESDAY,+HE+SUGGESTED+ASKING+LODGE+AND+GENERAL+HARKINS,+THE+COMMANDER&pg=RA1-PA42&printsec=frontcover
JFK's Last Hundred Days: The Transformation of a Man and the ...
Thurston Clarke · 2013
",,,On Tuesday (Aug. 27, 1963) , he suggested asking Lodge and General Harkins , the commander of the U.S. military assistance program ..."

And yes, JFK is quoted asking Lodge if he thinks Madam Nhu is a lesbian.
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All are correct, so why did WC still framed O with no reasonable evidence? Conspiracy all the way.
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Smoke was from a cherry bomb or such as to make loud report and smoke to distract so hidden shooters could escape in the chaos.
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If the first shot hit JFK at Z222, there were only 4.9 seconds between the first and last shot. That means there had to be an intervening shot whether you believe the that shot was a miss or if it hit only JBC. The theoretical minimum time to fire 3 aimed shots was determined to be 4.6 seconds. That would have required Oswald to fire all three shots in just 0.3 seconds over the minimum required. It is rather ludicrous to believe Oswald was cycling the rifle as fast as humanly possible if he was trying to hit his target. But your entire scenario requires you to believe a number of ludicrous things so what's one more.

0.3 seconds?

I don't follow your math.
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Hardly impossible if the first shot was not only possibly much later but was much later according to the evidence. If you are saying it is impossible that 25 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first could be right, you are definitely overstating your position.

If the first shot hit JFK at Z222, there were only 4.9 seconds between the first and last shot. That means there had to be an intervening shot whether you believe the that shot was a miss or if it hit only JBC. The theoretical minimum time to fire 3 aimed shots was determined to be 4.6 seconds. That would have required Oswald to fire all three shots in just 0.3 seconds over the minimum required. It is rather ludicrous to believe Oswald was cycling the rifle as fast as humanly possible if he was trying to hit his target. But your entire scenario requires you to believe a number of ludicrous things so what's one more.
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It was hardly impossible for the first shot to have hit both JFK and JBC if the first shot was not only possibly much later but was much later according to the evidence. If you are saying it is impossible that 25 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first could be right, you are definitely overstating your position.

"Not only possibly"

LOL!

Facts:

Dealey Plaza is a virtual echo chamber.

Eyewitnesses and earwitnesses are notoriously unreliable.

In the Zapruder film we can see all five passengers in the limo quickly turn their heads (in different directions) between Z-140 and Z-150.

In the Zapruder film we can see Secret Service Agents Ready, Bennett, and Hickey in the follow-up car all start to lean over far during the same time frame.

In the Zapruder film we can see Rosemary Willis stop looking at JFK and Jackie and turn her head towards the TSBD.

Case Closed.
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It was impossible for the first shot to have hit both men. It is a certainty the second shot (CE399) hit both of them.
Hardly impossible if the first shot was not only possibly much later but was much later according to the evidence. If you are saying it is impossible that 25 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first could be right, you are definitely overstating your position.
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You haven't read Belzer and Wayne's chapter on the Pitzer case, have you?

Yes, Pitzer had been accepted for an associate professor position at a local college. Most people would consider that to be a good job, a very good job. Between his teaching salary and his Navy retirement pay, Pitzer would have been quite comfortable. So, why would he have suddenly shot himself? I notice you provided no motive for his alleged suicide.

So Pitzer supposedly used his left hand "to steady the gun by wrapping it over the top of the cylinder"? Oh, please. Give me a break. Why would he not have simply held the revolver in his right hand, put up against his head, and pulled the trigger? That's how suicidal people usually shoot themselves in the head. But, nah, you've got Pitzer "wrapping" his left hand "over the top of the cylinder" so you can explain the paraffin test results (no GSR on either side of his right hand).

Yes, the heel print could have been from a first responder, but we don't know whose print it was because the FBI did not bother to check it. The FBI could have easily checked the shoes of the first responders to determine if one of them made the heel print, but they didn't.

No, I did not misrepresent the distance of the shot per the FBI report. It said, "the revolver must have been held at a distance of more than 3 ft when discharged."

I notice you snipped and ignored the fact that Pitzer wrote himself a note to remind him to return the revolver that he had signed out. Humm, now that's hardly what you'd expect from a guy who planned on using the revolver to shoot himself.

Regarding the FBI's failure to find any evidence that Pitzer had obtained ammo for the revolver, you say, "he could have obtained it anywhere, paid cash, and no one would have remembered him buying it." So when the FBI showed a photo of Pitzer to local gun shops and asked if he had bought ammo, no would have recognized him, even though he would have bought the ammo fairly recently? Yeah, of course.

And why in the devil would he have bought the ammo himself when he could have checked out ammo from the security office when he signed out the revolver? 

Pitzer's family and friends rejected the suicide story. They noted that Pitzer was mentally and emotionally tough and not the kind of person to let problems get him down.

Pitzer was literally just a few days away from retiring from the Navy. And, again, he had a good job lined up. His family said he was "very cheerful" that morning.

Pitzer's wife reported that Navy officials threatened her with the loss of her husband's Navy pension if she didn't accept the suicide verdict and "keep her mouth shut."

You question whether Pitzer was ever warned to keep quiet about his knowledge of the JFK autopsy, yet even Heiner admits this happened.

It's just sad that you folks would desecrate a man's life by claiming he killed himself when the evidence indicates he did not -- and all because you can't bring yourselves to admit there was an organized campaign to kill certain JFKA witnesses, even though a decorated Army Special Forces officer reported that a CIA man approached him about killing Pitzer.

MG: You haven't read Belzer and Wayne's chapter on the Pitzer case, have you?

Why would anyone read it when they've read Eaglesham and Palmer and the FOIA documents?


MG: Yes, Pitzer had been accepted for an associate professor position at a local college.

Who said he was going to be an "associate professor?"  Or any other kind of professor? I'm not even sure if community colleges have tenured professors. My own dad, who also was retired from the military after 20 years, taught in a community college for years, and never considered himself a professor, assistant or otherwise. Anyway, this is just a red herring to divert attention away from Dennis David's false claim that Pitzer had the fabulous lucrative TV network job waiting for him.


MG: So Pitzer supposedly used his left hand "to steady the gun by wrapping it over the top of the cylinder"?

Yep. As I said, it's been known to happen. IIRC, Eaglesham and Palmer also went over this.


MG: Yes, the heel print could have been from a first responder, but we don't know whose print it was because the FBI did not bother to check it. The FBI could have easily checked the shoes of the first responders to determine if one of them made the heel print, but they didn't.

They didn't because it wasn't distinct enough to be used for definitive comparison. Says so in their report.


MG: No, I did not misrepresent the distance of the shot per the FBI report. It said, "the revolver must have been held at a distance of more than 3 ft when discharged."

I didn't say you misrepresented the distance mentioned in the FBI report. I said that you misrepresented the evidence. Some FBI agent attributed the lack of powder tattooing to a distant shot (in this case a distant shot from over 3' away). However, the local ME reported that there was a muzzle imprint ("muzzle marks")  at the wound site. The muzzle imprint indicates that the muzzle was against the skin when the gun was fired. Again, this would account for the lack of power tattooing, since the GSR follows the bullet into the wound, and can't spread and scatter on the surface of the skin around the entry site. But you say you've read extensively about GSW forensics, so you would already know this, right?


MG: I notice you snipped and ignored the fact that Pitzer wrote himself a note to remind him to return the revolver that he had signed out. Humm, now that's hardly what you'd expect from a guy who planned on using the revolver to shoot himself.

Pitzer checked out the revolver weeks before he died to use as an instructional prop during, along with the .38 Special blank rounds found in the revolver and on the desk.
His state of mind when he checked out the gun would not then be expected to reflect his state of mind the night he died.


MG: Regarding the FBI's failure to find any evidence that Pitzer had obtained ammo for the revolver, you say, "he could have obtained it anywhere, paid cash, and no one would have remembered him buying it." So when the FBI showed a photo of Pitzer to local gun shops and asked if he had bought ammo, no would have recognized him, even though he would have bought the ammo fairly recently? Yeah, of course.

Where, exactly, does it say that the FBI went to every gun store in the area with a photo of Pitzer? And, BTW, to be complete, in 1966, the FBI search would have needed to include gun stores, sporting goods stores, many department stores, and even many hardware stores. Ammunition was more widely available in those days. Think of the number of stores we're talking about within a reasonable radius of Bethesda, Maryland. I seriously doubt that the FBI went to that much trouble.


MG: And why in the devil would he have bought the ammo himself when he could have checked out ammo from the security office when he signed out the revolver? 

Again, the revolver was checked out weeks before for purposes other than suicide...and it did come with ammunition, albeit blanks.


Pitzer's family and friends rejected the suicide story. They noted that Pitzer was mentally and emotionally tough and not the kind of person to let problems get him down.

Men tend to be stoic, not letting show the demons gnawing on their souls, and their suicides can and do come as a surprise as a result.


Pitzer was literally just a few days away from retiring from the Navy. And, again, he had a good job lined up. His family said he was "very cheerful" that morning.

People who are about to commit suicide often exhibit a cheerful, happy, even serene demeanor in the hours, days, even weeks before taking their own lives. After all, they've come to a decisive solution of all of the problems eating away at them, and that can bring tremendous, if incongruous, peace of mind. I saw this happen with a friend of mine who shot himself about 20 years ago.
 

Pitzer's wife reported that Navy officials threatened her with the loss of her husband's Navy pension if she didn't accept the suicide verdict and "keep her mouth shut."

Lance has already dealt with this. It's a misstatement of what she'd actually said.


You question whether Pitzer was ever warned to keep quiet about his knowledge of the JFK autopsy, yet even Heiner admits this happened.

Red herring. How would Heiner have known, since he wasn't there?
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