Hill heard the first shot.
He also heard the second shot.
He doesn't remember hearing the third shot as he had a lot on his plate at that moment, including stopping Jackie from jumping off the back of the limo.

By the time Jackie climbed out on the trunk, the shooting was over. That couldn't have been the reason Hill didn't hear one of the shots.

I've been waiting to see if any of the LNs had a theory as to why Clint Hill specifically, but also other passengers in both limos, didn't seem to have either heard or recognized the first shot for what it was. I have speculated the roar of the accelerating motorcycles could have disguised the sound of that first shot but I wondered if others had different theories for that.

Clint Hill was drinking the night before and so were others.

https://www.newsweek.com/drunken-truth-about-jfk-assassination-391613

There are some far out CTs that I wonder if they’re serious or just having fun dreaming up outer limits type scenarios.
Then there are Tom and Andrew with the LN alternatives.
I’m ok with Andrew but Tom the KGB specialist/ Russia / Russia/ Russia LN is a big question mark. I’m not sure if he’s serious  or not. ( he seems to have TDS on occasion, but it’s ok, we understand 
John Corbett is the diehard LN.
Michael Griffith is the die hard CT.

Bill Brown and John Mytton are LNs I’ve been familiar with as far back as when Zeon Wasinsky bugged them all the time with questions about anomalies like the gray vs blue jacket problem. I took Wasinskys place a while back because he could not remember his  password. I generally follow his methodology based on a Socratic dialogue.

I voted that some LNs may have been planted because  John Mytton and Bill Brown are WC experts so a few extra less expert LNs make the JFKA forum more inviting to less expert CTs and average Skeptics like myself.

Dan:

It is understood amongst credible researchers that Lovelady & Shelley were gotten to lie and push back their departure time from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to make Victoria Adams look silly and to destroy her witnessing of Oswald not being on the Northwest steps when the official story needed him to be...There's some basic rules of evidence you are violating here...We can see Lovelady & Shelley fast-walking up the extension in Couch/Darnell so therefore visual film evidence trumps testimony and shows that Lovelady & Shelley left the steps around 20 seconds after the shots when they were inspired by Calvery to go up to the Knoll and see for themselves...You are violating the rules of evidence as well as rational thought because we can see Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension in Couch/Darnell and it tells us what the true version is...

The version Bart Kamp used was the Sprague copy...Obviously Sprague used the best enhancement technology of his day which was probably limited to brightness and zoom...One thing is clear though, Sprague used the original celluloid films as his source, as is evidenced by the fact Kamp was able to get the best detail in his enhancements...That best source that Kamp accessed was able to produce the visible details seen on Lovelady & Shelley as well as Lovelady's bald spot...Lovelady's plaid pattern is a geometric match and matches his plaid shirt pattern precisely...That is a dead-lock that makes the sincerity of what you offer suspect...No serious researcher would doubt the men being Lovelady & Shelley at that point...

This was all in the hands of Larry Schnapf who could have gotten the 1st generation 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell simply by asking...Schnapf went on the Education Forum and explained why he wasn't going to request the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...The words Schnapf spoke to describe his reasoning were words that came directly from the Prayer Man gang and their shameless suborning of perjury before Congress...Because the Task Force was not able to obtain the original Wiegman and Darnell films the 6th Floor Museum copy then became the best available copy of Darnell...This was proven by the fact you can see Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man in that copy...So no credible researcher would ever make a case for not obtaining the best copy...Obtaining the best copy is an unspoken thing amongst credible researchers...It is only the Prayer Man-hijacked JFK internet that would make a case for NOT obtaining that copy...And the way they achieve that is by banning, ostracize-ing, and censoring those researchers who question it...The Education Forum is a fraudulent website, as are its administrators...The effort to NOT obtain the 6th Floor Museum copy is a disingenuous one whose sole purpose is to avoid producing evidence that Jim DiEugenio is a fool who promotes already-disproven theories before Congress...Iler is a greasy fixer who makes grandiose rules designed to bail out his partner DiEugenio and avoid the correct evidence...It is this copy that will better show Lovelady, Shelley, and Molina...

The mark is already set and we await the obtaining and scanning of the 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell...

                                                                           "It is Understood..............".

                NOTHING is cavalierly "understood" here. Proffer your EVIDENCE and this Forum will let you know where you stand. Right now, you're circling the drain.

There are probably a half dozen types of personalities in "this business". I consider it a blessing I've only been involved, in earnest, for the past 12-1/2 years.

Most conduct themselves under "a belief system".

David, remember DiEugenio's reaction to Lance figuring out that the inked number sequence across the front of the disputed Postal Money Order allegedly purchased by Oswald in Dallas that the WC concluded had been deposited in the bank account of Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago days later, was a tracking number the U.S. Treasury Dept.'s newly implemented automated processing and archiving system had initiated in early 1963?

DiEugenio posted at DPF that the authentication of the Klein's rifle purchase PMO resulting from its blue inked tracking number displayed on its face (Lance had just figured out the placement and purpose of) resulting in retrieval from the newly established automated PMO archive in Arlington, VA (Armstrong claimed it could only be retrieved from the KC PMO Center...) on the evening of 11/23/63 could still not have happened because it was imbedded in John Armstrong's entire scenario of official skullduggery in a coup in which the Assassination of JFK was just one of several "Ops". An example to try to make my point clearer... if John Glenn's capsule had been blown up on a Cape Canaveral launch pad and Castro blamed, the murder of the astronaut by the U.S. JCoS would have been, in the Operation Northwoods plan implementation, what the murder of JFK was in "A Coup in Dallas". In my example, if it was later confirmed that the launch pad explosion resulting in Glenn's death was the result of an accidental system failure, that would be irrelevant if the JCoS had succeeded, JFK having succumbed to the immediate political pressure Operation Northwoods would instigate and stoke, and had ordered the swift invasion of Cuba and the elimination of Castro!

Before I discovered and proved that a new PMO, point of sale printer had been installed in Dallas in January, 1963 as part of a national rollout over several months that had been announced in mid 1962, resulting in the elimination of the Post Office contract with the Federal Reserve for manual keypunching of the dollar amount of each deposited PMO during a Fed. Res. regional bank clearing process, and Lance Payette presented his tracking number analysis,
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/10/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1058.html

... I had been impressed by DiEugenio's critical opinion of the result of John Simkin encouraging and promoting Peter Janney's claims about the murderer of Mary Meyer.

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/update-beware-the-douglas-janney-simkin-silver-bullets
Update: Beware the Douglas, Janney, Simkin Silver Bullets
Apr 15, 2008 — But let us move on to Simkin and Mary Meyer. On the thread he created, Simkin tried to say that accusing him of having Bill O'Reilly type ...

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/janney-peter-mary-s-mosaic-part-2
Peter Janney, Mary's Mosaic (Part 2) - Kennedys and Kinghttps://www.kennedysandking.com › janney-peter-mar...
Jul 12, 2012 — The first two people to inform me of Peter Janney's upcoming book on Mary Meyer were Lisa Pease and John Simkin.

I was impressed enough to "rattle" Simkin and his friend HP Albarelli who was a contributor to and enabler of the operating theory of Janney's book, "Mary's Mosaic" to get both DiEugenio and I booted from Simkin's forum at the urging of author Albarelli.

David. I know you know how that feels...

After DiEugenio pushed back so insistently against Lance Payette and I in reaction to the impact on John Armstrong's presentation that the Klein's PMO was illegitimate because its serial number was grossly out of sequence compared to PMO serial numbers on Oswald's Dallas Post Office purchases just a few months before that the Dept. of State had received from Oswald by late 1962 to payoff a transportation loan enabling the Oswalds and child to cover exit transit expenses from the USSR to the USA, and a PMO reportedly retrieved from an Arlington, VA location being inconsistent with retrieval from where all paid PMO should have been stored, in KC, MO, a postal PMO authentication, fraud investigation, and archive that John Armstrong was not aware had become obsolete and was winding down operation in March, 1963 to ultimate closure months later.

http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search="money%20order"


DiEugenio and Armstrong supporter David Joseph reacted by using Len Osanic on Black Op Radio to inform "the community" that the archivist in Arlington who reportedly retrieved the Klein's PMO on the evening of 11/23/63 and transported it to the DC home of postal official Marks for a prearranged transfer to SS custody, did not actally exist. I responded by producing the archivist's death certificate which included his home address and occupation identical to the description in WCR docs!

So, by the time I discovered and presented this, DiEugenio's personal attacks as push back no longer stung as much.:

I posted the details of "the CIA people" author Joan Mellen described as examples of "proof" CIA was "thwarting" Garrison's efforts while in fact, the brothers Ms. Mellen named were first cousins of Garrison's wife and author Carpenter in his biography of Clay Shaw proved David Baldwin had made Shaw aware of this at least from the time of Shaw's arrest, and that David Baldwin's wife was step-sister of "WDSU's outside counsel dispensing funds on behalf of CIA to defense lawyers of subpoenaed individuals" Garrison's June, 1967 letter of complaint detailed to the FCC commissioner, in the 2019 comments sections of two articles reporting on the collaboration of Stone and DiEugenio, but the comments sections were later removed.

https://www.thewrap.com/agc-oliver-stone-jfk-destiny-betrayed/

Continued...

continued indeed, Tom.  Thanks.