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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 11:51:32 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:15:16 PM
Nothing will top Election Night 2016 for sheer entertainment value. The arrogant a-holes on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC went into the night so certain that it was going to be a coronation of Hillary and then to watch as they went through stages from elation, to concern, to fear, to panic, and finally despair as outcome became increasingly obvious over the course of 8 hours. NBC's Richard Engel went so far as to call for Trump's impeachment before Trump had even crossed the 270 threshold. ABC's Martha Radaatz was fighting back tears. And we're supposed to believe these folks aren't rabidly partisan.
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I have correctly picked who would win POTUS elections since Nixon.  I predicted Trump would win in 2016. I picked Trump to win in 2020 using the same analysis and I was completely surprised that Biden/Harris won.

I went home to visit my parents after many years and was surprised that both of them whom had always voted conservative, had voted for Biden/Harris.

This was a very improbable change in character that I found alarming. So I started looking around the area of their retirement community and I found that everywhere was leftwing biased controlled . Their cable TV
, newspapers and magazines , were biased left.  Their  local bookstore was leftwing. There was a rainbow colored flag at the entrance but not an American flag anywhere. I easily found several books by leftwing politicians and leftwing celebrities, displayed in the window.  The motif of the bookstore was 60’s revolutionary hippy style.

I sought for a book about Ronald Reagan. There was only one and it was hidden in the back of the store on the last row at the bottom of the shelf.

So before  I left the store, I moved the Reagan book up to the front display window and placed in the center of all the other leftwing books. I’ve no doubt that when the book was eventually discovered by the manager, that there  probably a TDS moment of rage.

What was most alarming to me was how easily my WW2 generation parents who had always been conservative rational thinking well educated people could be so radically changed that they would abandon their core conservative and Christian principles.

I found to my dismay that my conservative dad who had always been a steadfast Christian and instructed me from early age about right and wrong, now was a confused man who could not answer the question if the LGBTQPs lifestyle was acceptable according to the Holy Bible.

I’ve concluded that the gradual transformation of my once rational Christian conservative parents into confused people who were fearful of being politically incorrect was a result of having decided to live in this retirement home community. They became trapped in a leftwing controlled “village” similar to that portrayed in the original The Prisoner episodes. There was a No.2 running the facility, but no one knew who no.1 was and the residents were advised not to ask questions.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What about that dent?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 11:30:08 PM »
MTG: "Because if that cartridge case could not have been used to fire a bullet during the assassination, then there must have been more than one gunman."

Dented shell: Dry firing round in the chamber of the disassembled M-C in Ruth Paine's garage. JFKA: Two shots. Case closed. You're welcome.

Helpful freebie advice: I notice MTG's paper says "@ All Rights Reserved." Obviously "@" is incorrect and looks goofy. The copyright symbol may be found on your keyboard by holding the Alt key and typing 0169 on the numeric keyboard, to wit:

© 2022 Michael T. Griffith. All rights reserved.

There, now you don't look like a goofball. Actually, none of that is necessary. Copyright protection is automatic. You do need to register the copyright to sue for infringement, but you can do that just before you sue and there is little risk of anyone even wanting to infringe your work anyway. I did some copyright and trademark work when I was an in-house attorney at Xerox. Anyone want to hear about the Berne Convention?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 11:05:28 PM »
Watched the documentary. Eh. Save your money. Almost entirely talking heads, and too many of them the usual suspects. It's produced by MUFON Television. I was once a MUFON state section director and did some pro bono legal work for the late founder, Walt Andrus. MUFON has had its ups and downs, to put it mildly. I actually fell asleep for part of it - hey, you try babysitting six cats while your wife eats bon-bons and frolics on the sunny beaches of Belarus. I take it the dark thesis, to be fleshed out in Part 2, is that we are being programmed, or perhaps were programmed from the get-go, to merge with AI and achieve a non-biological consciousness that will open new vistas of existence. Yes, the direction of much scientific thinking is that consciousness is in the fact the fundamental "stuff" of the universe and that the universe is fundamentally informational, and I have been very uneasy about AI from the get-go, but is this an Alien Agenda or just a stage in human development? I will undoubtedly plunk down $5.47 for the next installment, but I was underwhelmed by this one. (They did say Oswald shot JFK with the assistance of Jack Dougherty, but you already knew that.)
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 10:35:44 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:59:03 PM
JBC was a big man in a small seat and his movement was restricted when trying to make a normal turn. It was only after he received a severe gunshot wound that his severe gyrations in reaction to his wound turned him completely around in his seat.
He had no difficulty turning around before on Main St. to speak with JFK.  Besides, the seat didn't prevent him from turning his head.  The normal range of motion for rotation of the head is between 70 and 90 degrees.  JBC's head is practically square to this shoulders.

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As for Mary Woodward and all these other witnesses you site, the reason I have so little faith in them is because people only remember things well that they made a mental note of at the time. I see no reason to think Mary Woodward would have made a mental note of where JFK was at the time she heard the first shot. That's something she would have had to mentally reconstruct when asked about that later. At that point, she would have just been guessing. There's only one witness that didn't have that problem. Zapruder's camera. That is the witness I trust above all others. That is the witness I measure the credibility of all other witnesses against. If a human witness tells me one thing and the Z-film tells me something else I'm going with the Z-film every time.
You don't think that she would remember that JFK's turn in her direction and his smile and wave occurred just after her cheer? Or that it was before that first "horrible ear-shattering noise"?  She mentioned it in her story she wrote as soon as she got back to the office that afternoon.  She said that both he and Jackie turned and smiled and waved at them just after she shouted to them. She wrote that they were the last people the President ever acknowledged because as his car passed by them, he turned forward and the first horrible ear-shattering noise sounded.

We can see that the zfilm matches perfectly with what she described seeing. JFK turns from looking forward left to looking sharp right beginning at about z160. Starting at z172 JFK raises his right hand to wave in the direction of Woodward and her friends and Jackie starts turning from looking left to forward right at the same time. So we know that she accurately remembered JFK  acknowledging them with his smile and wave.  She just got mixed up thinking that it was before the first shot?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: "Overthinking" (or maybe not?) the Walker attempt
« Last post by Charles Collins on Yesterday at 10:13:05 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on Yesterday at 11:12:42 AM
I made a significant error and now I need to own up to it and correct things. The angle downwards from horizontal is about 55-degrees. I inadvertently used 35-degrees (that is actually the angle upwards from vertical, and the top angle of the triangle formed by the height and horizontal distance). When I set my tripod angle I made a mistake and used the wrong angle. So, here is what it looks like from the proper angle of 55-degrees.








As can be seen, when using the proper angle, the 2” target is closer to being correct than the 3” target is. I measured the apparent minimum distance to miss the entire limo (first image yellow line at bottom of the outside side of the limo) at 1-1/8”. This scales to be 27”. So I was wrong and John Corbett was closer to being correct than I was. Sorry everyone!   :-X



This is embarrassing, but I was right the first time. I am going to have to stop second-guessing myself with ideas that come to me in the middle of the night. The 35-degrees down from horizontal is the proper angle (not the 55-degrees angle). So my first set of photos showing a minimum of 3' distance to miss the entire limousine is correct. The revised photos using a 55-degrees angle is incorrect. I apologize again and hope my credibility hasn't been completely destroyed...    :-X
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gordon Arnold - The Man Who Claimed He Was Attacked By Badgeman
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 09:56:24 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:23:34 PM
You'd have to ask the people who hired Gary Mack that question. The Sixth Floor Museum is a non-profit organization run by the Dallas County Historical Foundation. Do you think they are part of the cover up too?
Gordon Arnold said there were PILES of dirt. Do you know of anybody else who said that?
 
 
    "Non-Profit"? You're gonna throw that out there with ALL the FRAUD/$$ that is currently being revealed on an almost daily basis? Boy are you naive. Dollars to donuts that Frank and Jesse woulda claimed they were running a "Non-Profit" too.
   Again, do the Research. Look at the Darnell Film snippet showing this area. And look at it frame-by-frame. You'll see. And this snippet is in the later 1/2 of the Darnell Film. The much better definition last 1/2 of the Darnell Film has yet to be released by the Sixth Floor Museum/NBC. It's now pushing 2 yrs since they released the 1st half of this film in HD.
  The last 1/2 of the Darnell Film also contains the footage of my, "That Ain't Haygood", Bogus DPD Motorcycle Cop walking across the railroad yard. It's basically the JFK Assassination Version of the Patterson-Gimlin Film. What's the holdup? It's obvious. Blockbuster possibly on more than 1 Front.
   Are You aware of anyone else that even claimed to have been in this area when shots were being fired? Anybody? There is NOBODY other than Gordon Arnold that I know of that claims to have been physically in this area when shots were being fired. And again, Sen Yarborough did verify that somebody was back there bouncing around.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What about that dent?
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 09:16:06 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on May 05, 2026, 03:02:54 AM
ME: Were any of the shells that were found in the "Sniper's Nest" on 11/22/63 dented? If so, does it present a problem for the official conclusion of the Warren Commission?

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GROK: Yes, one of the three spent cartridge cases (shells) found in the "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository had a dent. The three cases recovered by Dallas police on November 22, 1963, were designated as Warren Commission Exhibits (CE) 543, 544, and 545. CE 543 had a noticeable inward dent on the mouth (the open lip where the bullet had been seated).

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This dent has been documented in photographs taken at the scene (and later in Commission exhibits) and was examined by the FBI and, later, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) Firearms Panel. The other two cases (CE 544 and CE 545) were undamaged in this way.

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No, this does not present a problem for the Warren Commission's official conclusion (that Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots from a 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in the sniper's nest, with the three cartridge cases ejected from that rifle). The Warren Commission itself relied on FBI ballistic analysis showing that all three cases had been fired in Oswald's rifle (CE 139), based on matching firing-pin impressions, extractor marks, and bolt-face marks.

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The dent on CE 543 prompted criticism from some researchers, who argued it was so severe that the case could not have held a live bullet beforehand (implying it could not have been one of the three shots fired during the assassination, or that the case was planted or previously damaged).

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However, the HSCA Firearms Panel (a team of independent firearms experts) directly addressed this in 1977–1978.

They concluded:

The dent on the mouth of CE 543 was produced during ejection from the rifle (specifically, from rapid operation of the bolt/ejector mechanism), not before firing or from manufacturing/loading.

They duplicated an identical dent in test firings with Oswald’s rifle (one of four test cases showed a comparable dent when the bolt was worked quickly).
Microscopic comparison confirmed that all three cases (including the dented CE 543) were fired in the CE 139 rifle, with no evidence of multiple chamberings or prior firings.

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The panel explicitly rejected the idea that the dent would have prevented the case from being fired in the rifle (or any rifle).

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The Warren Commission (1964) did not dwell on the dent as an issue—the FBI’s initial matching of the cases to the rifle was sufficient for their conclusion of three shots from the sniper’s nest. The later HSCA analysis reinforced this by resolving the dent question through direct experimentation. While some conspiracy-oriented analyses continue to dispute the replication or point to minor chain-of-custody details (e.g., CE 543 was turned over to the FBI a few days later than the others), the official forensic examinations found the dent fully consistent with the three-shot scenario.

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In short, the dent is real and well-documented, but it has been explained as post-firing ejection damage and does not contradict (or undermine) the Warren Commission’s ballistics findings or lone-gunman conclusion.

It is sad, and really inexcusable, to see anyone repeating these long-since debunked claims. The dented shell, CE 543, is hard evidence of conspiracy because the shell could not have been used to fire a bullet during the assassination.

No, the HSCA firearms experts did not duplicate the CE 543 dent in any of their test shells. Anyone can look at the shells they produced and see that they are not nearly as dented as CE 543. The same goes for Chad Zimmerman's supposed duplication of the dent in CE 543.

A few other important facts:

-- CE 543 has three sets of marks on the base that are not found on the two other shells and that were not made on any of the numerous shells that were ejected from the alleged murder weapon during firing tests.

-- CE 543 does not have the characteristic chambering impression along the side exhibited by the other cartridges we know to have been seated in the chamber of the alleged murder weapon, i.e.,, CE 544 and CE 545, and also CE 141 (the live round found in the chamber of the rifle. The impression on CE 141 is in the same but is not as pronounced as on CEs 544 and 545, almost certainly due to the fact that it was not fired.

-- CE 543 could not have been marked by the alleged murder weapon’s magazine follower during the assassination because there was a live round left in the rifle’s chamber and only the last shell in the clip is marked by the magazine follower. This fact alone discredits the HSCA firearms experts' claims about the dented shell, as research scientist Dr. Don Thomas has explained:

Furthermore, according to the FBI experts, the casing had been marked by the magazine follower. This fact is especially relevant because only the last cartridge in the clip is marked by the magazine follower, and inasmuch as the Oswald rifle still had one live round in the chamber, CE 543 could not have been marked by the magazine follower as an operation of the rifle during the assassination. The failure of the HSCA Firearms Panel to disclose or discuss the discrepancy between their conclusion and the FBI findings forces the conclusion that the Firearms Panel analysis of this problem was less than forthright and certainly less than thorough. (Hear No Evil: Politics, Science, and the Forensic Evidence in the Kennedy Assassination, New York: Skyhorse Publishing, 2010, p. 141)

I discuss the dented shell at length in my book A Comforting Lie: They Myth That a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy. A condensed version of that discussion is available on my website:

The Dented Bullet Shell: Hard Evidence of Conspiracy in the JFK Assassination
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ihue8a0GmN_Ptl38bPjpu1F99nqU0Z6f/view





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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: William Niedernut and Low Follies at Education Forum-JFKA
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 08:50:15 PM »
I noticed that this morning. I have it on good authority that Wm. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, suspended Wm. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, for eight months for referring to a longtime member, who is Irish, as a “cognitive-infiltrating semitic turdball.” Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, appealed to John Simkin over the strong objections of Mr. NiederNut in his capacity as moderator. Mr. Simkin reduced the suspension to 90 minutes, infuriating Mr. NiederNut in his capacity as moderator. When the 90 minutes was up, Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as member, referred to Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, as an “ineffectual weenie of a moderator.” This slur led to the intervention of Wm. NiederNut in his capacity as a Harvard-trained psychiatrist. After extensive negotiations, it was decided by a vote of 2-1 (Mr. NiederNut, in his capacity as moderator, dissenting) to pull the plug on the entire thread.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gordon Arnold - The Man Who Claimed He Was Attacked By Badgeman
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 08:34:33 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:23:34 PM
Gordon Arnold said there were PILES of dirt. Do you know of anybody else who said that?



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gordon Arnold - The Man Who Claimed He Was Attacked By Badgeman
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:23:34 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:20:04 PM
    Yeah, Badgeman is difficult to take seriously. What you should be asking yourself is how does the guy who helped cook up these crazy Badgeman images within the Moorman Photo, then get the position of Sixth Floor Museum "Curator". How does  that work? The "curator" having unfettered access to all kinds of JFK Assassination Evidence should Not have been given to someone with this kinda track record.

You'd have to ask the people who hired Gary Mack that question. The Sixth Floor Museum is a non-profit organization run by the Dallas County Historical Foundation. Do you think they are part of the cover up too?
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    There is very little known about what was in the area between the N-S picket fence and the short wall running down from Zapruder. If you look at the Darnell Film footage that quickly shows this area, some of the people standing near the short wall, are Stepping Downward as they file onto the walkway that leads to The Steps. And this area between the walkway and the short wall was all dirt. The same goes for the area between the N-S picket fence and this same walkway. ALL Dirt.

Gordon Arnold said there were PILES of dirt. Do you know of anybody else who said that?
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