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I think we'd probably get a much better copy if we merge various sources (notably The Lost Bullet or something)
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I haven't been on this forum very long but it's pretty clear pretty quickly why nobody wants to interact with you! And didn't you know? Bob Marley and WC attorney David Belin were good buddies in real life.


Thanks for proving my point...

There's questions to exactly how Marley died and why...Marley was also friends with the sone of a CIA director who gave him a pair of boots...Talk about tone deaf to the point...

So I wonder how Marley would feel about a Warren Commission backer using his image...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Today at 05:01:21 PM »
One tactic of the CTs I've seen over the years on multiple forums is that when they want to declare something as a fact without evidence to support it, they claim it is "obvious".

As is your custom, you don't quote either Curry or Decker but instead give us your interpretation of what they actually said. Even your interpretation doesn't indicate Curry and Decker deployed their men to the same area. The underpass and the railroad yard are not the same place. Curry and Decker had nothing but sound to base their judgement of the where the shots came from and sound is a poor indicator of that, so yes Curry and Decker were guessing. They were educated guesses based on their impression of where they thought the sounds came from, but they were still guesses. None of their men found any indication of a shooter in either location.
Mr. Griffith is a hopeless cause. He simply makes things up, is caught doing so, then repeats the original claim in a different manner. He doesn't link to primary sources; he takes sources and then re-interprets what he thinks they say. It's endless. His entire conspiracy explanation is a mish mash of contradictory evidence and claims, of sources who are odds with one another, with evidence that actually counters his conspiracy theory.

Curry specifically testified that he didn't know where the reports/shots came from.

Mr. CURRY - I didn't do that, sir. That was one of my inspectors, I believe that gave that order. I was riding in the Presidential parade and approximately a hundred feet, I guess, ahead of the President's car, and when we heard this first report, I couldn't tell exactly where it was coming from.
Representative FORD - What report are you talking about now?
Mr. CURRY - A sharp report as a firecracker or as it was it was the report of this rifle.
We were just approaching an underpass, and there were some people around on each side of the underpass, up in the railroad yards, and I thought at first that perhaps this was a railroad torpedo, it was a sharp crack.
Mr. CURRY - I said what was that, was that a firecracker, or someone said this, I don't recall whether it was me or someone else, and from the report I couldn't tell whether it was coming from the railroad yard or whether it was coming from behind but I said over the radio, I said, "Get someone up in the railroad yard and check."
And then about this time, I believe it was motorcycle Officer Chaney rode up beside of me and looking back in the rear view mirror I could see some commotion in the President's car and after this there had been two more reports, but these other two reports I could tell were coming behind instead of from the railroad yards.
Mr. RANKIN - What do you mean by reports?
Mr. CURRY - Sharp reports as a rifle or a firecracker, and looking in the rear view mirror then I could see some commotion in President Kennedy's car.
Mr. RANKIN - You could distinctly hear and tell that the two later reports were from behind?
Mr. CURRY - Behind.
Mr. RANKIN - Rather than front?
Mr. CURRY - That is right.
Mr. RANKIN - You weren't sure whether the first one was from behind or in front?
Mr. CURRY - I couldn't tell because perhaps of the echo or the----

Curry's full testimony is here: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/curry1.htm
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A.C Hickman - Sixth Floor Museum website
Abraham Zapruder - Image of an Assassination: A New Look at the Zapruder Film 1998 DVD (missing frames can be patched with JFK the lost bullet)
Andre Leche - gettyimages
Charles L. Bronson - Sixth Floor Museum website
Dallas Cinema Associates - god knows what
David Francis Powers - CNN old website on Archive.org (not the best quality but it's the only one i could find)
Elsie Dorman - Sixth Floor Museum website
F.M Bell - Sixth Floor Museum website
Frank Marotta - Sixth Floor Museum website
Fredna Stewart - Sixth Floor Museum website
George Jeffries - Sixth Floor Museum website
George Reid - Sixth Floor Museum website
Jack Jernigan - Sixth Floor Museum website
Jackie Tindel - Sixth Floor Museum website
John Haller - Sixth Floor Museum website
Keith Griffith - Sixth Floor Museum website
Marie Muchmore - ??
Orville Nix - Sixth Floor Museum website
Pat Sanders - Sixth Floor Museum website
Robert Hughes - Sixth Floor Museum website
Rudy and Vera Clauss - Sixth Floor Museum website
Tina Towner - Sixth Floor Museum website
Ward Warren - Sixth Floor Museum website

I think i missed some home movies but this is my list so far

   Regarding your Zapruder Film source, I have that DVD too. I have found a much better Zapruder Film Copy on "YOU TUBE". It is titled, "Zapruder Film JFK Assassination Best Quality HD 1080p"   by - windvale  (:28). The individual frames are Not numbered, but this is definitely the best Zapruder Film copy I have seen that is freely available to the public.  Between the sprocket holes, this Z Film copy shows SA Clint Hill atop the Limo trunk, looking back up Elm St as the Limo approaches/passes the Ft Worth sign. Jackie is back inside the Limo, so we are seeing SA Hill after the Altgens photo. Hill is intently looking back up Elm St to the point that his chest is facing Main St.   
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:32:48 PM »
Wow, you just can't admit anything, can you? What area do you suppose Curry wanted to "see what happened there" by ordering to "get a man on top of that triple underpass"? What area do you think Curry wanted the officer to look at from the triple underpass to "see what happened there"? Huh? The freeway?! The TSBD?! Huh? The obvious answer to anyone with a functioning brain and some integrity is that Curry believed shots came from the area behind the grassy knoll and that he ordered that an officer get on top of the underpass to "see what happened there."

And that's the same area, the rail yard behind the knoll, that Sheriff Decker ordered to be sealed off "to determine just what and where it happened down there."

LOL! They were just "guessing"?! They ordered men deployed to check out the same area because they were just "guessing"?! Of course this is just pure silliness. A police chief and a sheriff are not going to deploy their men after shots have been fired at a presidential motorcade in which they themselves were riding based on just a guess. You'll never admit it, but it's obvious that Curry and Decker deployed their men to check out the same general area because they clearly believed that gunfire had come from that area.

One tactic of the CTs I've seen over the years on multiple forums is that when they want to declare something as a fact without evidence to support it, they claim it is "obvious".

As is your custom, you don't quote either Curry or Decker but instead give us your interpretation of what they actually said. Even your interpretation doesn't indicate Curry and Decker deployed their men to the same area. The underpass and the railroad yard are not the same place. Curry and Decker had nothing but sound to base their judgement of the where the shots came from and sound is a poor indicator of that, so yes Curry and Decker were guessing. They were educated guesses based on their impression of where they thought the sounds came from, but they were still guesses. None of their men found any indication of a shooter in either location.
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You can discover the most important discovery of our generation...

The JFK internet bullies and hijackers are not interested in it and will bully it off the board...

I wonder what Bob Marley would think of his image being used by a Warren Commission backer...

I haven't been on this forum very long but it's pretty clear pretty quickly why nobody wants to interact with you! And didn't you know? Bob Marley and WC attorney David Belin were good buddies in real life.
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The "boom" sound from a high-powered rifle is issued from the rifle-barrel, and "crack" sound from the supersonic bullet issued from the rifle, as it passes through air.

AI: Characteristics The Noise: It (a supersonic bullet) sounds like a sharp whip-crack, a snap, or a breaking stick rather than a deep boom

Curiously enough, few (if any) DP witnesses describe hearing "crack" sounds. That is yet another oddity about the JFKA. In theory, many witnesses should less-loud cracking sounds from supersonic bullets, and booms from the M-C rifle. I can't recall any witnesses saying anything like they heard cracking sounds, even vets and police officers.

Bowers only heard three shots. Not a cracking sound and then three booms.

Bower said the last two booms were on top of each other.

Bowers mentioned no change in pitch or volume of the shot noises, which would indicate he heard "crack" and boom sounds.

Bowers testimony lines up with the "bang...bang-bang" cadence many witnesses heard.
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It is my belief that witnesses who reported hearing three shots with the last two being right on top of each other heard a double sound from the third shot and didn't recognize the first shot for what it was due to the roar of the accelerating motorcycle escort. I have no way of proving this of course, but it is one way to resolve the seeming conflicting evidence regarding the spacing of the shots.

If two near simultaneous sounds were heard from the third shot, I doubt people would be able to disinguish a boom from a crack. I know I couldn't when I heard the double sound coming from my neighbor's muzzle loader.
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I'm not very good at syncing photos and films so maybe somebody can help me out. I posted this picture in the thread arguing that Dr. Baden refuted the SBT:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1352810/m1/1/high_res/

I'm fairly certain that is the TSBD in the background which means it was taken seconds before the shooting started. One thing that caught my eye is the position of JFK's right hand. Harold Norman testified that he thought JFK was either brushing his hair or saluting the crowd just before he heard the first shot and that seems to fit with what we see from JFK in this photo. What really got me curious is the position of JBC's left hand which seems to be waving to the people on the north side of Elm St. I've tried to match this to a Zapruder frame but I can't make out any Z-frame in which it appears Connally has raised his left hand. This leads me to believe the photo might have been taken just before Zapruder resumed filming which would prevent it from being matched to a frame. I'm wondering if someone has enhanced frames from the Z-film from Z133 onward that would show JBC with his left hand raised. I think this is an important photo because of how close in time it seems to be to the start of the shooting.
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Galbraith: Bowers said he didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.

No, he said he didn't see the two men behind the fence during the shooting. You guys brush them aside, but two of Bowers' friends said he didn't publicly reveal everything he saw. And, naturally, you dismiss journalist Penn Jones' report that Bowers' wife told him on the record that her husband was told not to talk.

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Mitch Todd: He saw three cars cruising around a parking lot. Like people do when they are looking for a place to park for an impending event about to occur nearby. The sort of thing that people see every day, everywhere. There is no mystery here, no matter what you and your fellow CTs so desperately want to believe.

LOL! Bowers certainly didn't think they were "looking for a place to park." They certainly didn't act like they were just "looking for place to park."

Have you actually read Bowers' account? Have you ever been in that parking lot? I have. There would have been no need to spend several minutes "probing," as Bowers put it, if they were merely looking for a parking spot. That lot is quite small. They could have spotted a parking place in a matter of seconds.

And never mind that the area had been sealed off since 11:00 and that there had been virtually no movement in the area since then, which is why the three cars' strange behavior caught Bowers' attention, right?

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Mitch Todd: The "acoustic evidence" is crap, based on a novel and unproven procedure.

Oh, yeah, sure it is. You don't even know what you're talking about, and I can tell you've read next to nothing on the subject. The BBN acoustical scientists used the same methods and scientific principles in analyzing the DPD dictabelt that they used when they analyzed the audio recording of the 1970 Kent State shooting.

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Mitch Todd:With the changes that were made by the courts in the 1990s, it probably wouldn't be admissible in a trial today.

Nonsense. The military uses the same scientific principles and methodology to acoustically locate gunfire today that the HSCA's acoustical scientists used. In fact, Dr. Barger, as I've pointed out, developed patented new technology for the military and police forces to acoustically locate gunfire. 

BTW, the new research done by BBN scientists, including Dr. Barger, from 2015-2018 proves that the dictabelt's impulse patterns were recorded in Dealey Plaza during the assassination and debunks the NRC/NAS's claim that the Decker "hold everything" transmission is crosstalk.

I notice you haven't laid a finger on any of the evidence that the HSCA's acoustical scientists documented in support of their findings (the timing-movement correlations, the sonar analysis that verified the grassy knoll shot, the windshield-distortion correlations, and the presence of N-waves, muzzle blasts, and muzzle-blast echoes in the correct order and interval and only when the microphone was in position to record them).   

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Mitch Todd:And we're back to that happy little game where every movement someone in the limo makes is "a reaction" and then "a reaction to a gunshot."

You know that's not what I'm talking about. I'll let readers decide if this is a case of "every movement" being "a reaction to a gunshot" when they read my article "Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film."

I think one of the first things people will notice is that you ignore the fact that five of the reactions are supported by the recognized science of blur analysis (I only mention four blur events in the article because I don't mention that a marked blur episode occurs around the time of the Z313 headshot, since no one questions that Z313-317 shows a reaction to a shot).

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MG: You surely know this is misleading. Decker ordered his officers to seal off the area of the railroad yard behind the knoll and the triple underpass. Curry ordered his officers to check the area of the triple underpass and said to get a man on top of the underpass to see what happened there. Anyone who looks at a map of Dealey Plaza and understands English can see that Decker and Curry sent their men to essentially the same area.

Corbett: One deployed his men to the railroad yard and one to the overpass.

Wow, you just can't admit anything, can you? What area do you suppose Curry wanted to "see what happened there" by ordering to "get a man on top of that triple underpass"? What area do you think Curry wanted the officer to look at from the triple underpass to "see what happened there"? Huh? The freeway?! The TSBD?! Huh? The obvious answer to anyone with a functioning brain and some integrity is that Curry believed shots came from the area behind the grassy knoll and that he ordered that an officer get on top of the underpass to "see what happened there."

And that's the same area, the rail yard behind the knoll, that Sheriff Decker ordered to be sealed off "to determine just what and where it happened down there."

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Corbett: Both [Curry and Decker] were guessing.

LOL! They were just "guessing"?! They ordered men deployed to check out the same area because they were just "guessing"?! Of course this is just pure silliness. A police chief and a sheriff are not going to deploy their men after shots have been fired at a presidential motorcade in which they themselves were riding based on just a guess. You'll never admit it, but it's obvious that Curry and Decker deployed their men to check out the same general area because they clearly believed that gunfire had come from that area. 
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The "boom" sound from a high-powered rifle is issued from the rifle-barrel, and "crack" sound from the supersonic bullet issued from the rifle, as it passes through air.

AI: Characteristics The Noise: It (a supersonic bullet) sounds like a sharp whip-crack, a snap, or a breaking stick rather than a deep boom

Curiously enough, few (if any) DP witnesses describe hearing "crack" sounds. That is yet another oddity about the JFKA. In theory, many witnesses should less-loud cracking sounds from supersonic bullets, and booms from the M-C rifle. I can't recall any witnesses saying anything like they heard cracking sounds, even vets and police officers.

Bowers only heard three shots. Not a cracking sound and then three booms.

Bower said the last two booms were on top of each other.

Bowers mentioned no change in pitch or volume of the shot noises, which would indicate he heard "crack" and boom sounds.

Bowers testimony lines up with the "bang...bang-bang" cadence many witnesses heard.



 
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