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For the purpose of identifying Lovelady and Shelley I guess it doesn't really matter if it is 20 seconds after the shots...I prefer a little longer because it gives Adams & Styles time to squeak out the rear exit just ahead of Truly & Baker...

Baker saw Oswald standing stationary looking out on to the 2nd Floor staircase landing...When Oswald saw a cop suddenly appear he flinched back and went in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop pursuit instincts and he went after Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Baker could never tell the Commission he saw Oswald slack-jawed and looking out at the staircase landing because it would show he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination like Hosty admitted to Nigel Turner...What caused Oswald to get up from his lunch and go to the Vestibule door window was Adams & Styles as they clattered by on the landing...The one question the Commission never asked Truly & Baker was "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time?"...
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You, sir, are a sourpuss. Nancy is an absolute hoot and rabbit holes are the only entertainment we have! Get with the program, willya?
You, sir, are a sourpuss. Nancy is an absolute hoot and rabbit holes are the only entertainment we have! Get with the program, willya?

I provided a link to a letter sent to DPD with no negatives signed by second highest prosecutor in Sacramento.
The DPD detective vouched for Nancy's claim she had worked for Ruby.

Father McChann had not disappear,,,, he landed in the lap of Nicholas Lemann's uncle, in NOLA.
Uncle Stephen B Lemann hired Mcchann when he finished his studies in that field at Loyola.

Garrison accused Stephen of being CIA paymaster in NOLA. Stephen was brother-in-law of David Baldwin's wife, Mildred, whose mother had married Stephen's
father, Monte. Monte was Nicholas Lemann's grandfather. As a reminder, David Baldwin informed Clay Shaw just after Shaw was indicted, that he, David, was Garrison's
wife, Leah's first cousin and her Godfather. Joan Mellen knew Garrison since 1969 but we know Garrison never informed Joan that there was only one side



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https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK?s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
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REX: I ? I think ?

JOAN: ? when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people?.

Thank you for this photo, Fred Litwin, but you are clueless!
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/gq-magazine-the-case-against-jim-garrison
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I did a Edge browser, three word search, Castorr Father McChann, resulting in.....
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Copilot Search Branding

Father Walter McChann and Colonel Robert Castorr
Father Walter McChann (also spelled MaChann, McKann, or McChan) was a Catholic priest and chaplain of the Dallas Cuban Catholic Committee from 1961, later running its resettlement office to help Cuban refugees find jobs and receive relief reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net+1. He became a key figure in Dallas’s Cuban exile community, meeting and befriending Sylvia Odio and others, and was known to have heard confessions and engaged in discussions with refugees jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com.

McChann’s work brought him into contact with Colonel Robert Castorr, a retired Army colonel and member of the Cuban Catholic Committee. According to FBI and Secret Service records, McChann knew Castorr and his wife, and in 1963 he reported to the FBI that one Cuban refugee he knew was extorting money, making false promises, and acting as a “political Cuban” rather than a genuine refugee reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net+1. This Cuban was later referred to in FBI files as the “Parkland Cuban,” a figure linked to Parkland Hospital and alleged to have been sent back to Miami after the JFK assassination The Education Forum.

McChann’s relationship with Castorr was part of a broader network of Cuban exile leaders in Dallas. In November 1963, another Cuban Catholic Committee volunteer, Mrs. Euelline Connell, told the FBI that General Edwin Walker and Colonel Castorr had been trying to “arouse the feelings of Cuban refugees in Dallas against the Kennedy administration policies” reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net+1. This information was not pursued by the Warren Commission, FBI, or Secret Service, despite being provided by Connell and later by Castorr’s wife reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net.

Historical accounts, including Oswald Talked by Ray and Mary La Fontaine, suggest McChann’s disappearance after October 1963 was somehow connected to the assassination. He was last seen October 1, 1963, at a Highland Park Town Hall event with other Cuban exile leaders, including Trudy Castor (Castorr’s wife) jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com+1. Afterward, he vanished, with some believing he had learned something he shouldn’t have, possibly from a refugee or Sylvia Odio. His mother later said he went “to pieces” after hearing the assassination broadcast, and investigators Harold Weisberg and others reported he entered “a home to rest” afterward The Education Forum.

In summary, McChann and Castorr were both prominent in Dallas’s Cuban exile community, with McChann acting as a spiritual and social leader and Castorr as a political figure. Their interactions, and the “Parkland Cuban” case, remain part of the ongoing JFK assassination conspiracy theories and historical debates.

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William Kelly - Posted November 9, 2005
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Here's some excerpts from Lafontaine's book regarding McChann, and have read Maryanne Sullivan's book, "Kennedy Ripples - A True Love Story" (1994, San Clemente, Calf.), which Lafontaine calls the "Harlequin Romance" version of the Kennedy assassination, which follows McChann to New Orleans and Florida, but not to Tailand.
Peter Dale Scott has been spending a lot of time in Thailand, and he's awaiting my review of Max Holland's KAT, and I'll ask him about McChann.
Bill Kelly
Bary Kampjfk3@yahoo.com
Machann, Walter Michael, Father –
Also spelled phonetically as MaChann, McCann, McKann and McChan.
From: Oswald Talked – The New Evidence in the JFK Assassination
by Ray and Mary La Fontaine, (Pelican Publishing Co. , Gretna, 1996).
[p.264-265]: “The last time Father Machann was seen in his public role as shepherd of the city’s Catholic exile community was the Tuesday night of October 1, 1963. On that evening, he and other prominent members of the resettlement committee had shared the stage of Highland Park Town Hall with a guest speaker, John Martino, a fifty-two-year-old American and Mafia associate who was on a Bircher-paid tour to talk about his recently published book, ‘I Was Castro’s Prisoner.’ Martino had been imprisoned in Cuba for some thirty-nine months (during which time he befriended Silvia Odio’s father, Amador), and his three-hour book talk dwelled on the barbarism of his confinement by the revolutionary regime – balm to the ars of the gathered refugees and their circle of benefactors on the Town Hall stage…”

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.........“…investigator Harold Weisberg had also heard that Father Machann entered ‘a home to rest’ following the assassination.”
Page 251: “….A few weeks before the assassination (Fr. Walter M. Machann) had mysteriously dropped out of sight, perhaps from a breakdown, in the city where he had been a lifelong resident. Some weeks later, after the assassination, he quietly left town and has not lived in Dallas since, though returning occasionally to visit his mother. He was last seen in (1993) in Bangkok. (Machann’s mother told Mary in a recent interview that he was visited by the Secret Service or other government investigators as recently as 1992 or 1990.).”
“But in the spring of 1964, Father Machann hadn’t yet made it to Bangkok. That April, apparently at he behest of the Western general counsel J. Lee Rankin, the Secret Service had launched an all-out search for the unusual padre, who was rumored to have bedded a number of women parishioners during his denture as assistant pastor at the Catholic church in east Dallas. After agents failed even to identify the father in Miami (where he had received his training as a Cuban refugee adviser), Secret Service inspector Thomas Kelly managed to locate Machann in New Orleans, interviewing him on Thursday, April 30.”
“The former Dallas priest (he was now on indefinite leave) had been attending classes at LOYOLA UNIVERSITY, and was, as he told Kelly, a frequent visitor of Silvia’s uncle, Dr. Agustin Guitart, a physics professor at the university. Cuitart, it may be recalled, happened also to be a friend of Carlos Bringuier’s, and had attended the New Orleans court hearing of Lee Harvey Oswald following his ‘street scuffle’ with Bringuier and two other members of the local chapter of the Student Revolutionary Directorate (DRE) the previous summer.”
“It wasn’t, of course Machann’s vow-breaking proclivities that interested assassination investigators like Kelley, but the role he was said to have played from 1961 through most of 1963 as chaplain of a Dallas group assisting Cuban refugees; for if rumors were flying concerning the priest’s sexual liaisons, they were even more rampant on a more relevant matter, the possible participation of Cubans – whether pro- or antic-Castro one couldn’t say – in the assassination of the president. On the latter matter, Machann had been in a position to be an invaluable informant.” .....

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https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2023/07/key-witness-walter-mcchann-rip.html
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Machann was having his doubts about being a priest and was visiting his mother when news came of President Kennedy's assassination. Machann decided to leave the priesthood and the Bishop allowed him to, so he went to New Orleans, enrolled at a Catholic University and associated with a professor there who just happened to be a friend of DRE Cuban leader Carlos Bringuier and attended Oswald's court hearing. ...

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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Plywood Laying Group
« Last post by Raine Hannula on Yesterday at 11:07:02 PM »
In this video, I proove that:
 - Harold Norman
 - James Jarman
 - Bonnie Ray Williams
 - Charles Givens

ARE LYING


And based on this picture, where Umbrella Man sit next to "black" people, means that there were black people involved in the Kennedy assassination and why this hole group of Plywood Laying Group is a group whose main task was to assassinate Kennedy.



Jack Dougherty who was in this Plywood Laying Group was the shooter of JFK, and the rest of the members are only supporting and helping Jack Dougherty and why these black people were at the top floors when Kennedy was shot.



And this is the reason why Norman, Jarman, Williams and Givens are lying in statements to Dallas Police, because they are members of this Kennedy assassination team.

And think about, how cheap it would be hiring these "negroes" into this assassination of JFK, because these Dallas millionaires has so much money that they could hire 1000 gangs of people for helping this assassination of JFK And think about how good alibi that would be at that time, when you have negroes doing FALSE testimony and statement concerning the JFK assassination

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You, sir, are a sourpuss. Nancy is an absolute hoot and rabbit holes are the only entertainment we have! Get with the program, willya?

After dealing with this nonsense off and on for the last 35 years, I just can't take any of it seriously. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths people will go to in order to make the case for conspiracy.

The CT community as a whole has been stuck in neutral for all of those 35 years and probably a hell of a lot longer than that. what have hey accomplished and what do they think they are going to accomplish by bringing up these non-issues over an over again. That have been spinning their wheels for as long as I have been involved in the conversation, Haven't they noticed their car isn't going anywhere. Do they really think they are actually going to solve this case with a different answer than what the DPD came up with in the first 12 hours? Do they think some magic piece of evidence is suddenly going to pop up out of nowhere that's going to finally provide them the proof they've been looking for six decades?

The reality is that none of them are actually trying to solve anything. They just want to find reasons to reject the WC findings. None of them will ever tell us how they think the assassination actually went down. That would require them to build a case and that requires real evidence that answers the key questions of who, what, where, when, and how. The why will likely never be known. Not even the WC could prove why Oswald did it. But they clearly answered the other five. The what, where, and when are givens. JFK was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas on 11/22/1963. All that is needed to solve the case is the who and the how. The WC answered those questions with ample evidence to support both answers. The CTs rarely even try. Their whole game is to invent excuses to reject the answers the WC gave us. I would actually respect a CT who at least tried to answer the key questions. I can't remember when I ever saw a CT try to do that.
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Is this supposed to be witty or are you actually insane? (Well, I suppose it could be both - couldn't it?) This was not my first communication with Bart. So let's factor this new wrinkle into our conspiracy theory: Lance was actually communicating with Fake Email Bogus Imposter Kamp! Yeah, I like it. It's no more insane that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your other insane posts, so it does have that going for it. Come on, you are just effing D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E for attention at any price.

    Well let's see: (1) YOU got ripped off $1,000 with the Bogus JFK Assassination Pics, (2) YOU claimed to be "buds" with Kamp, and, (3) Above, YOU steal Rickey Henderson's 3rd person routine. That's 3. "Yer Out!"
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Since you can see Westbrook and Reed on the steps in the Couch/Darnell clip the timing of the clip is how long it took the two to run back to the steps, talk quickly to Lovelady & Shelley telling them the president had been shot, and then proceed up the front steps where they run face to face in to Molina (Molina not Lovelady)...I'm guessing 25 to 30 seconds...

Seeing how all the testimony ingredients are there there is no doubt the two men who were sharpened by Kamp are very definitely Lovelady and Shelley...When I tried to tell this to Armstrong he told Hargrove I was an idiot and cut me off...I respect Armstrong but he's just stubbornly wrong on this one...

The running woman by Baker in the white blouse and black skirt is Karan Hicks who followed Westbrook and Reed to the Depository...

   So you are changing the elapsed time after the kill shot that we are seeing Baker approaching the front steps of the TSBD? Baker is supposed to be crossing the Island at :20 seconds after the kill shot. Your extending this time stamp, also then extends the time stamping of Officer Baker seeing something on the other side of the 2nd Floor vestibule window.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Mary Pinchot Meyer
« Last post by Raine Hannula on Yesterday at 10:42:00 PM »
Couple that left the Crime Scene

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Since you can see Westbrook and Reed on the steps in the Couch/Darnell clip the timing of the clip is how long it took the two to run back to the steps, talk quickly to Lovelady & Shelley telling them the president had been shot, and then proceed up the front steps where they run face to face in to Molina (Molina not Lovelady)...I'm guessing 25 to 30 seconds...

Seeing how all the testimony ingredients are all there there is no doubt the two men who were sharpened by Kamp are very definitely Lovelady and Shelley...When I tried to tell this to Armstrong he told Hargrove I was an idiot and cut me off...I respect Armstrong but he's just stubbornly wrong on this one...

The running woman by Baker in the white blouse and black skirt is Karan Hicks who followed Westbrook and Reed to the Depository...
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What do you think my latest video ???

Is it correct and right ???

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Dictabelt recording update is coming in someday

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