MG: Another problem with the connection between Oswald and the Carcano is that nobody at Oswald's post office reported giving him a hefty package such as the kind in which a rifle would be shipped (Summers, p. 59; Meagher, p. 50). In fact, none of those postal workers reported ever giving Oswald any kind of a package.

I think this revealing statement is worth some additional comments. It is part of Exhibit A of your discrediting extreme bias and lack of critical thinking. You didn't even bother to see if I provided any evidence to support my statement.

It was pretty much a given that you had not.

You accusing someone of extreme bias and lack of critical thinking is like Hitler accusing someone of antisemitism.

When I read a lone-gunman article or book, I don't stop as soon as I encounter a claim that I consider to be invalid, even absurdly invalid. I keep reading so as to ensure I understand why the author believes the claim.

Now, would it not have been a basic, crucial investigative procedure to at least attempt to see if anyone at the post office recalled giving a large package to Oswald, or even if any postal worker merely recalled receiving a package from Klein's? Right? Isn't this a no-brainer? I mean, Crime Investigation 101 would include at least trying to establish these things, wouldn't you think? Of course it would, but it was never done.

How many packages do you suppose your typical postal employee would handle in the course of even one month? Do you really think any of them would have remembered giving Oswald a package 8 months earlier? This is typical of the red herring issues CTs raise because they have no real evidence to support their beliefs.

The above response is an example of what critical thinking looks like.

Can we all just come to a consensus that we need to break into NBC's archives and obtain the, according to Royell Storing, Original Wiegman and Darnell films? What is a problem is how do we evade security and get away with it 

   Groden had to steal a copy of the Zapruder Film in order to get it made public. And that was 12 yrs after the assassination.

I started reading it but stopped at this:

MG: Another problem with the connection between Oswald and the Carcano is that nobody at Oswald's post office reported giving him a hefty package such as the kind in which a rifle would be shipped (Summers, p. 59; Meagher, p. 50). In fact, none of those postal workers reported ever giving Oswald any kind of a package.[/quote]

I think this revealing statement is worth some additional comments. It is part of Exhibit A of your discrediting extreme bias and lack of critical thinking. You didn't even bother to see if I provided any evidence to support my statement.

When I read a lone-gunman article or book, I don't stop as soon as I encounter a claim that I consider to be invalid, even absurdly invalid. I keep reading so as to ensure I understand why the author believes the claim.

Now, would it not have been a basic, crucial investigative procedure to at least attempt to see if anyone at the post office recalled giving a large package to Oswald, or even if any postal worker merely recalled receiving a package from Klein's? Right? Isn't this a no-brainer? I mean, Crime Investigation 101 would include at least trying to establish these things, wouldn't you think? Of course it would, but it was never done.

On a side note, I see you are still peddling your utterly ludicrous, crazy claim that the 6.5 mm object and the 7 x 2 mm fragment on the AP x-ray are the same object. This is literally the nuttiest claim I have ever seen in a JFK discussion.

What's the point of trying to reason with the guy? You [Corbett] spend a great deal of time responding to every ridiculous point that he makes. You have a great deal more patience than me.

And every time he does respond, he proves he has no business posting in this forum. He knows far less than you do, and that's saying something.

Oswald's use of the alias "Alek Hidell" is not an allegation. It's an established fact. It's not just according to the Dallas police that he was carrying an "Alek J. Hidell" ID card when he was arrested. FBI agent Manning Clements documented the contents of his wallet that day.

Wow, really? You realize Manning's statement wasn't typed until 11/23/63, right? You know that not one of the officers who rode in the police car with Oswald from the theater to the police station said anything about finding a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet, right? You realize that the transcript of the transmissions from those officer en route to the police station say nothing about the finding of a Hidell ID card, right? 

You know that one of those officers, Sergeant Gerald Hill, gave an extensive interview on NBC TV only a few hours after Oswald's arrest and that when asked how he and the other officers identified Oswald while in the police car, (1) he said they got his name "Lee H. Oswald" from his wallet, and (2) he said nothing about finding any other ID or having any doubt about Oswald's name after checking his wallet, right?

You know that Officer Bentley, the guy who supposedly took Oswald's wallet from his pocket and found his identification therein, said nothing about finding a Hidell ID card in his 12/3/63 report to Chief Curry, right? In fact, let's read what Bentley wrote:

On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)

Humm, did it just "slip his mind" that he had found an ID card in Oswald's wallet that bore the name Hidell, the same name under which the whole world by then knew the alleged murder weapon had been ordered?

You clearly have read nothing but pro-WC sources on this issue.

The handwriting on the money order is Oswald's. That's a fact established by numerous questioned document experts who examined the actual money order itself.

I address this argument in my article.

That money order proves that Oswald left his place of employment on the morning of March 12, 1963. He purchased that money order at the Ervay street post office. He lied on his timesheet.

Oh! Okay! Ah-ha! So in a tightly controlled work environment where everyone in the main work area in each section worked in view of others, no one noticed that Oswald skipped out for least 25-minutes, even though Oswald was a trainee, huh?

The post office where the money order was bought was 11 blocks from Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall. Assuming that Oswald speed-walked to the post office, that he didn't have to wait in line, and that it took him no more than 2-3 minutes to fill out the money order and have it processed and given to him -- assuming all these things, he would have been gone from his work table at least 25 minutes.

Oswald was a photoprint trainee and was assigned a trainer and worked under his supervision. But according to you, rather than just wait until his 30-minute lunch break to buy the money order, Oswald risked getting fired by skipping out for 25 minutes to go to the post office, and nobody noticed it or said a word about it, even though Oswald was unpopular with his fellow employees.

The handwriting on the envelope and the order coupon is Oswald's. The Carcano rifle bearing serial number C2766 was shipped by Klein's to Oswald's PO box.

For now, let's leave aside the numerous problems with the rifle order, the rifle that was shipped, and the alleged murder weapon. Let's look at Oswald's alleged use of the Hidell alias to order the rifle. Just for a moment pretend this is any other case and apply a modicum of common sense and critical thinking:

Why, why, why would anyone have bothered to use an alias to order a rifle, presumably for the purpose of hiding his identity as the buyer, but give his own actual post-office box number so the rifle would be sent to his own post office box?! Huh? Hello? 

You guys are unbelievably gullible when it comes to the obviously far-too-pat, far-too-convenient "evidence" against Oswald. Oswald could have easily just gone to any number of gun stores in the Dallas area and bought a rifle with no questions asked, without leaving a paper trail for the rifle that would lead authorities straight to his post office box.

But according to you folks, Oswald not only chose to risk buying the rifle with the Hidell alias while inexplicably using his actual post office box, thus leaving a damning paper trail, but he was nice enough to carry a fake Hidell ID card on him when he was arrested!

Sheesh, really? Just really?

Oswald had himself photographed holding that rifle.

Sigh. . . . Seriously? Just like that, huh? I address this claim at length in my article, but, a few questions:

Why hasn't anyone been able to duplicate the impossible variant shadows seen in the backyard rifle photos? Why did even the HSCA PEP experts acknowledge that the differences in the distances between background objects in 133-A and 133-B were so miniscule that they could only be identified and measured with the aid of computer software and high magnification? Why did the PEP omit the crucial Penrose measurements for the backyard figure's highly suspect chin?

His palmprint was found on the barrel of it on Nov 22, 1963 by Lt Carl Day of the DPD.

Sigh. . . .  Seriously? I address this tale in my article as well. It's seriously like you guys are stuck in a time warp and that you are oblivious to research that has been done since the 1960s.

Isn't it incredibly suspicious and unbelievable that Lt. Day failed to take a single, solitary photo of the most important print he would ever process? He took photos of the worthless trigger-guard prints, but not a single photo of the palm print. Why did the FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona say that when he examined the rifle less than 24 hours after Day claimed he found and lifted the print, the barrel contained no prints and did not even look like it had been processed for prints. Yet, Day claimed the print was still visible on the barrel after he allegedly lifted it.

The WC was so suspicious of the palm print's origin that they asked Lt. Day to sign a sworn statement affirming how he obtained it, but Day refused to do so. Humm, why was what?

Oswald ordered Klein's Sporting Goods catalog number C20-T750 and that's what he got.

Humm, are you sure about that? Are you sure? Have you read any of the critical research on this issue? Any of it? You might want to start with Gil Jesus's article "Ten Reasons Why I Believe the 'Oswald Rifle' Isn’t Oswald’s”

MTG's unwillingness to accept those facts reflects poorly of his character.

They are not "facts." They are claims that have been debunked or reasonably explained -- mostly debunked -- numerous times over the last 40 years.

It's so fun to ignore Brian Doyle!

Why would anybody spend a second on Greg Burnham's baloney? He has been trying to convince people for decades that he saw some imaginary "other" version of the Zapruder film... and he's also a huge advocate for BS artists like Fletcher Prouty. 'Nuff said.