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According to Marina, Oswald used dry-fire his rifle on their front porch in New Orleans. Normally one uses no bullets when dry-firing or uses special blanks. A small number of people however might use live rounds, at least in the bottom of the clip (with empty shells in the top of the clip), in the belief this would mimic the correct weight of a rifle in a live-fire situation to include the weight of the bullets.

Using live rounds like this in the bottom of the clip with dummy rounds at the top of the clip is dangerous however as one might miscount how many times they have dry-fired the rifle and then accidentally fire off one of the live rounds in the bottom of the clip.

There is suggestive evidence Oswald might have been using live rounds in this reckless manner in New Orleans while dry-firing. The below video highlights a rarely mentioned characteristic that was observed on the spent shells (and also on the one live round found in Oswalds rifle) found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. Apparently the mechanism inside the Mannlicher Carcano rifle which holds the live rounds has a bent piece of metal under the live rounds that acts like a spring forcing the bullets upwards after each previous shell has been ejected following the working of the bolt action. Because the bottom bullet in the clip is in contact with this lifter spring piece of metal when it is forcing the bullets upwards, the spring leaves a slight scrape on the bottom bullet.

If one were to load the Mannicher Carcano clip with say 6 rounds fresh out of a box of bullets (the clip holds a maximum of 6 rounds) or in the case on 11/22/63 when it was only loaded with 4 rounds, only the bottom bullet in the clip would be in contact with the lifter spring. Therefore only the bottom bullet of the 4 would end up with the scrape from the lifter spring. The last bullet in Oswald rifle (the one that was never fired) did indeed have this scrape mark as one would expect. However, also two of the spent shells found on the floor of the snipers nest also had this scrape mark.

This would apparently suggest that at some point in the past, two of the bullets that were fired at JFK had at some point in the past been loaded into the rifles clip and been the bullet at the bottom of the clip directly in contact with the lifter spring, then been scraped by the metal spring as a result, and then taken back out of the rifle only to be later used in the assassination on Nov 22nd 1963. It paints a picture of live rounds being repeatedly put into the rifle and then being taken back out.

Is it possible Oswald had repeatedly loaded live rounds into his rifle in New Orleans while dry-firing the rifle, and then taken them back out after the dry-firing exercise, and this is how the bullets got the scrape marks?

Most people familiar with firearms would find dry-firing using live ammo in the bottom of the clip completely reckless, though a small number of people might do it. This reddit thread has people giving their opinion: https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1h57ja3/dry_firing_with_weight/

Here is the video outlining the scrape marks on the bullets:

P.S. Is anyone familar with the practice of dry-firing a rifle. Is it possible to eject a full round (ie casing with bullet still attched) from a rifle by working the bolt?

The fact that 3 of the casings recovered (one of which was the casing which still had the bullet in it) had scrape marks, this would appear to suggest that when Oswald was dry-firing the rifle in New Orleans, he only had a limited number of bullets available and so had to keep using the same bullets, hence why 3 of the 4 casings discovered in the snipers nest had scrape marks.

Therefore, we should not be surprised that no bullets were ever found among Oswalds possessions other than the ones found in the snipers nest. The scrape mark being present on so many of the casings in the snipers nest arguably suggests that whoever owned this rifle did not have many bullets.

The fact that 3 of the casings recovered (one of which was the casing which still had the bullet in it) had scrape marks, this would appear to suggest that when Oswald was dry-firing the rifle in New Orleans, he only had a limited number of bullets available and so had to keep using the same bullets, hence why 3 of the 4 casings discovered in the snipers nest had scrape marks.

According to Marina, Oswald used dry-fire his rifle on their front porch in New Orleans. Normally one uses no bullets when dry-firing or uses special blanks. A small number of people however might use live rounds, at least in the bottom of the clip (with empty shells in the top of the clip), in the belief this would mimic the correct weight of a rifle in a live-fire situation to include the weight of the bullets.

Using live rounds like this in the bottom of the clip with dummy rounds at the top of the clip is dangerous however as one might miscount how many times they have dry-fired the rifle and then accidentally fire off one of the live rounds in the bottom of the clip.

There is suggestive evidence Oswald might have been using live rounds in this reckless manner in New Orleans while dry-firing. The below video highlights a rarely mentioned characteristic that was observed on the spent shells (and also on the one live round found in Oswalds rifle) found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. Apparently the mechanism inside the Mannlicher Carcano rifle which holds the live rounds has a bent piece of metal under the live rounds that acts like a spring forcing the bullets upwards after each previous shell has been ejected following the working of the bolt action. Because the bottom bullet in the clip is in contact with this lifter spring piece of metal when it is forcing the bullets upwards, the spring leaves a slight scrape on the bottom bullet.

If one were to load the Mannicher Carcano clip with say 6 rounds fresh out of a box of bullets (the clip holds a maximum of 6 rounds) or in the case on 11/22/63 when it was only loaded with 4 rounds, only the bottom bullet in the clip would be in contact with the lifter spring. Therefore only the bottom bullet of the 4 would end up with the scrape from the lifter spring. The last bullet in Oswald rifle (the one that was never fired) did indeed have this scrape mark as one would expect. However, also two of the spent shells found on the floor of the snipers nest also had this scrape mark.

This would apparently suggest that at some point in the past, two of the bullets that were fired at JFK had at some point in the past been loaded into the rifles clip and been the bullet at the bottom of the clip directly in contact with the lifter spring, then been scraped by the metal spring as a result, and then taken back out of the rifle only to be later used in the assassination on Nov 22nd 1963. It paints a picture of live rounds being repeatedly put into the rifle and then being taken back out.

Is it possible Oswald had repeatedly loaded live rounds into his rifle in New Orleans while dry-firing the rifle, and then taken them back out after the dry-firing exercise, and this is how the bullets got the scrape marks?

Most people familiar with firearms would find dry-firing using live ammo in the bottom of the clip completely reckless, though a small number of people might do it. This reddit thread has people giving their opinion: https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1h57ja3/dry_firing_with_weight/

Here is the video outlining the scrape marks on the bullets:

P.S. Is anyone familar with the practice of dry-firing a rifle. Is it possible to eject a full round (ie casing with bullet still attched) from a rifle by working the bolt?

The fact that 3 of the casings recovered (one of which was the casing which still had the bullet in it) had scrape marks, this would appear to suggest that when Oswald was dry-firing the rifle in New Orleans, he only had a limited number of bullets available and so had to keep using the same bullets, hence why 3 of the 4 casings discovered in the snipers nest had scrape marks.

Therefore, we should not be surprised that no bullets were ever found among Oswalds possessions other than the ones found in the snipers nest. The scrape mark being present on so many of the casings in the snipers nest arguably suggests that whoever owned this rifle did not have many bullets.

Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.

However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the  Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.

Dino Brugioni claimed that he had seen a different version of the Zapruder film which included a large red mist over JFKs head, which lasted 2 to 3 frames, at the time of the fatal head shot. The Zapruder film as it stands only shows a red mist for 1 frame which is frame 313. Brugioni claimed that the version of the Zapruder film we have now shows a much shorter headshot sequence than the version he saw.

However Abraham Zapruder disproves such a claim. When Zapruder sold the rights of the  Zapruder film to LIFE magazine, he stipulated that frame 313 must never be published, a stipulation that LIFE honored. The fact that Zapruder stipulated that only 1 frame must not be published, and not 2-3 frames, is prima facia evidence that the gore of the headshot did not last longer than 1 frame.