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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

I love it when two tinfoil-hat CTs like you and Doyle argue with each other!

-- Tom

   What is obvious is the much higher "Burden Of Proof" required on this Forum. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:32:18 AM »
The clearest reaction [to the first, missing-everything, shot] is JBC's head turn [back to his right] at Z-164. A shot at theoretical Z-124 would have been heard by him at theoretical Z-126. That's 38 frames, or just over two seconds.

Between Z-133 and Z-143, JFK is looking at the spectators to his right (and either waving to them or brushing his hair back), as is JBC, who is just looking at them.

In Z-143, JFK starts turning his head quickly towards Jackie and then turns it quickly back to his right, towards the spectators.

At Z-150, JBC quickly turns his head to his left about 45 degrees and is "captured" looking almost straight ahead in the Z-161 Robert Croft photo.

In Z-164, JBC starts turning his head quickly back to his right about 120 degrees to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder, but he can't "see" (i.e., recognize) him because by Z-180 JFK has turned his head far to his right and has raised his hand and forearm to wave to someone, thereby partially obscuring JBC's (peripheral) view of his face.

Point being: JBC consciously reacted to Oswald's "Z-124" shot about 1.31 seconds after hearing it, not "just over two seconds" after hearing it.
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Here's the unsolvable problem that Altgens 6 poses for the lone-gunman theory: It shows damage to the windshield of JFK's limousine. Nobody disputes this fact.

Someone should compile a list of the ridiculous claims that you have made over the years. You are a sad strange little man. No damage to the windshield can be seen in Atgens 6. There isn't a single Lone Nutter who believes that the windshield was damaged before the head shot. And only very few conspiracy theorists maintain that damage is visible in Altgens 6. They are a fringe element.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald In Helsinki
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:40:54 AM »
Interesting tidbit on LHO first crossing the border into Russia:

"There is also a curious snippet from a man named Bill Trousdale, who happened to share a train from Helsinki into Russia with LHO. Fellow Americans, the pair bantered a bit on the train.

According to JFK Facts, “Trousdale saw Oswald get special treatment from the Russian border guards: “At the border my bags were given pretty thorough going over,” Trousdale wrote, “but they scarcely looked at Lee’s.’”

Was LHO already a de facto KGB asset, and waved through the Russian border?

Some have posited LHO may have been working for CIA'er Bruce Solie, who is further posited to have been a KGB asset.
That is an interesting CT on JFKA-world.

So...how long did LHO remain a KGB asset? Was LHO a witting KGB asset? Did the KGB "lay off" LHO onto G2 or DGI??

Why was LBJ so concerned about LHO-Havana connections?



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:31:59 AM »
Just to take one example from your litany of lame rationalizations, you say "Jackie moved [turned, to be more precise] her head [to her left starting at Z-145] to acknowledge the crowd."

Rhetorical question: Is that why she had a concerned look on her face as she was looking directly at Robert Croft in his well-known Z-161 photograph?

Seems like a strange way to "acknowledge the crowd."

(Was Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman turned so far to his right in the Croft photo to "acknowledge the crowd," or to "keep an eye on them xxxxxxx"?)


By the way, you never gave a rational answer to my question:

Why did Secret Service Agent George Hickey lean so far over the side of the car, and when did he begin that motion?


Answers:

Hickey began his conscious response to Oswald's first missing-everything "Z-124" shot by Z-146.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z146.jpg


He maxed out in Z-157

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z157.jpg


Very compelling evidence of an early shot, however I still maintain there is no definitive proof of how early. We have clues but it comes down to how we weigh those clues as to when that first shot was fired. The clearest reaction is JBC's head turn at Z164. We just don't know how quickly he reacted. A shot at theoretical Z124 would have been heard by JBC at theoretical Z126. That's 38 frames or just over two seconds. It's possible but certainly not definitive. If you are going to postulate a shot before Zapruder resumed filming, I don't know how you can pinpoint it to a theoretical frame.

Hickey did not testify before the WC but he did file a report.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-hicke.htm

The report is a bit vague. He describes the first sound as a disturbance but clearly states the next two were gunshots. I can't find it any reference to this in his report but somebody had stated years ago on McAdams website that Hickey had looked over the side of the car because he thought a tire might have blown out. I don't know where they got that from so I don't know how reliable that claim is. What is interesting to me is that he described the last two shots as sounding different from the first. The question is why did it sound different. You have suggested it was because the first shot was fired with the muzzle inside the building. I have suggested the roar of the accelerating motorcycles could have muffled the sound of the first shot. There is no definitive proof for either explanation.
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BC:

Iler just posted instructions on how to use the ignore function on The Education Forum...No credible research forum puts the ignore feature above good content and oversight...If you are smart you will realize Iler is just creating the grounds for establishment of the clique...In this context the ignore feature Iler is promoting is similar to how the forum is dealing with the Prayer Man evidence...This is censorship and ignoring of correct evidence under the color of site administration...You are looking at the "correction" of the site they promised here...And, if you noticed, the thread is locked to any member input towards this edict...That is exactly what it looks like...Cheap sh*t researchers putting people on ignore instead of surviving by good practices and their own good wits...They are the kind of people who slander you on their podcasts and then deny you the right to respond...The clique in pure form...

Doyle,

The only two things that are right in your tinfoil-hat CT are that big-tall, dressed-in-black Gloria Calvery is standing on one of the lower TSBD steps in Darnell, and that the person back in the corner isn't Lee Harvey Oswald.

-- Tom
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You can NOT: (1) Put Shelley and Lovelady alongside that car only :20 seconds after the kill shot, and (2) Show Calvery & Reed on the Wiegman Film, "bolting on Adrenaline", as they run down the Elm St sidewalk. You are unable to do this which completely destroys your theory.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

I love it when two tinfoil-hat CTs like you and Doyle argue with each other!

-- Tom
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Who are you going to believe?...

Lovelady & CIA Shelley or your own lying eyes?...

   You can NOT: (1) Put Shelley and Lovelady alongside that car only :20 seconds after the kill shot, and (2) Show Calvery & Reed on the Wiegman Film, "bolting on Adrenaline", as they run down the Elm St sidewalk. You are unable to do this which completely destroys your theory.
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Who are you going to believe?...

Lovelady & CIA Shelley or your own lying eyes?...

You're both brainwashed-by-KGB-disinfo kooks in my book.
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Who are you going to believe?...

Lovelady & CIA Shelley or your own lying eyes?...
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