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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Today at 02:53:18 AM »
Cut MTG some slack. The findings of the BBN acoustics team is the closest thing the CTs have for credible evidence that somebody other than Oswald took part in the assassination, so it's not surprising that he continues to cling to it no matter how many flaws in that finding are pointed out to him.

The acoustics are wrong because the shots don't match up either way. I believe in a conspiracy, but the data is incorrect.
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Going by the blur analysis and witness testimony there were 4 shots with the last two almost simultaneously.
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LOL.  No such concerns under Biden when his crackhead son was selling access to foreign adversaries to the tune of millions.  And the entire Biden crime family was making millions despite having no apparent business or skill.  A miracle.  A lifelong politician and his entire family were multimillionaires.

They say your boy is not only the most corrupt president we've ever had but enjoys reading Adolf Hitlers Greatest Speeches in bed.
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Here's a stabilized GIF of Wiegman stumbling, bumbling and doing cartwheels across the knoll!!
But seriously, we can see a stationary Wiegman laying across the steps who then starts to get up and for reference we can see an actual moving man as the cameraman in the lower right enters the frame.



JohnM
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    You speculate that Wiegman might not "want to ruin his suit", so he was, "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps". If as you claim, "the grass and ground were wet....", then the steps would also be wet. So that possible "suit" reason for being "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps" is DOA.  And for all we know, if Wiegman was standing on the top of the Knoll Grass near the bottom step, his camera at face height might have been close to level with the Hester Family sprawled across the ground in front of the Pergola. The Hester's were on higher ground than the Knoll grass. That I am aware of, Wiegman never said he was ever "sprawled" across the steps. That I am aware of, No Eyewitness has ever said they saw Wiegman "sprawled" across the steps.  Nobody gets up from a "sprawled" position, (chest down), like we see Wiegman doing. And Wiegman's arms are not helping to push him up from a "sprawled" position. His arms are chest high in front of him. 1 arm is grasping the camera, the other arm is bracing for a possible fall forward (W). The bracing is a reflex action anytime a person seriously stumbles forward, falls forward.
     And somehow, Wiegman has to arrive on the (W) side of the Street Light Pole/near the Newman Family. Where we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, he is nowhere close to being on the (W) side of the street light pole. Based on what we see him doing on the Couch Film, Wiegman ran across the top of the Knoll Grass until he was (W) of the street light pole. He then ran down the knoll toward the Newman Family. What we see Wiegman doing on the Bell Film, is what we see offensive football players doing all the time. "Rumbling and Stumbling".
   Sure this is ALL New. This is because people have cavalierly accepted and repeated this Wiegman scenario of his being "sprawled on 3 concrete steps" for 62+ years. As the Bell Film images have become clearer, the Wiegman being "sprawled" scenario is revealed to be just another JFK Urban Legend.

 So long, Royell.  I will not carry on with this any longer. 
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"Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK  Urban Legend" ? 

 Royell, I'm sorry, but this whole idea regarding Wiegman is nuts.  No one-that I know of-has ever questioned the position of Dave Wiegman as he filmed the Hester couple reacting to the shooting that happened near them, and obviously nor do they care.

  Some of the stuff you're saying in your posts about Wiegman's actions in a film clip lasting less than a second is nothing short of bizarre.
 
You say Wiegman is "running and ..." and I see nothing more than a man sprawled on three concrete stair steps connected to a terrace filming with his news camera. You say it's unusual for him to be in that position, and "Who does that?"  I'll tell you who. News people do outrageous things just to get something on film, or to get a "scoop", everyday.  What's so unusual about getting down on concrete stairs to be on the same level with a couple who are reacting to the assassination?  It had rained that morning.  The grass and ground were wet, water spots can clearly be seen on the concrete stairs inches from him.  Perhaps Wiegman didn't want to ruin his suit, or get wet. It's really insulting that you stoop to the level of saying that people "Bought into an urban legend".  No one has bought into anything, and why would anyone care? Clearly, Wiegman was only interested in getting the Hester couples' reaction to what they just witnessed,  You insist that Wiegman tripped or ran into a chuck hole.  Based on what?

    You speculate that Wiegman might not "want to ruin his suit", so he was, "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps". If as you claim, "the grass and ground were wet....", then the steps would also be wet. So that possible "suit" reason for being "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps" is DOA.  And for all we know, if Wiegman was standing on the top of the Knoll Grass near the bottom step, his camera at face height might have been close to level with the Hester Family sprawled across the ground in front of the Pergola. The Hester's were on higher ground than the Knoll grass. That I am aware of, Wiegman never said he was ever "sprawled" across the steps. That I am aware of, No Eyewitness has ever said they saw Wiegman "sprawled" across the steps.  Nobody gets up from a "sprawled" position, (chest down), like we see Wiegman doing. And Wiegman's arms are not helping to push him up from a "sprawled" position. His arms are chest high in front of him. 1 arm is grasping the camera, the other arm is bracing for a possible fall forward (W). The bracing is a reflex action anytime a person seriously stumbles forward, falls forward.
     And somehow, Wiegman has to arrive on the (W) side of the Street Light Pole/near the Newman Family. Where we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, he is nowhere close to being on the (W) side of the street light pole. Based on what we see him doing on the Couch Film, Wiegman ran across the top of the Knoll Grass until he was (W) of the street light pole. He then ran down the knoll toward the Newman Family. What we see Wiegman doing on the Bell Film, is what we see offensive football players doing all the time. "Rumbling and Stumbling".
   Sure this is ALL New. This is because people have cavalierly accepted and repeated this Wiegman scenario of his being "sprawled on 3 concrete steps" for 62+ years. As the Bell Film images have become clearer, the Wiegman being "sprawled" scenario is revealed to be just another JFK Urban Legend.
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To me, it's pretty obvious when the last two shots were taken and where they were fired from. The second shot struck both JFK and JBC around Z222 and of course the headshot which struck at Z313. That latter seems to be the on indisputable fact that everyone is willing to agree on. How could they not? I have no doubts about the second shot but it's a little hard to pinpoint since JFK was hidden when it struck and we are forced to rely on the reaction time of the victims as well as that of Zapruder himself. To me, Z222 is the best fit if all the clues are taken into account. The only one for which is much debate is the first shot. There is no definitive event that tells us exactly when that shot was taken but to me, Z147 seems to hit the sweet spot when all clues are factored in. I am a little less convinced about that one than the subsequent shots, but I think the preponderance of evidence points to a shot in the Z147-148 window, with the bullet striking outside the limo, probably to the right althought he possibility exists it hit an intervening object before reaching the limo. That one will likely remain a mystery.
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    Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK Urban Legend. But, as the definition of the JFK assassination images improves, this is going to become more common. So you need to get used to it. This explains why NBC has Never released the Original Darnell and Wiegman Films. And, why we have been waiting for the Sixth Floor Museum to release the last half of the early generation copy of the Darnell Film. Should the Sixth Floor Museum release that last half of the Darnell Film, we are gonna clearly see a Bogus DPD Motorcycle Cop strolling across the train yard and toward the TSBD.

"Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK  Urban Legend" ? 

 Royell, I'm sorry, but this whole idea regarding Wiegman is nuts.  No one-that I know of-has ever questioned the position of Dave Wiegman as he filmed the Hester couple reacting to the shooting that happened near them, and obviously nor do they care.

  Some of the stuff you're saying in your posts about Wiegman's actions in a film clip lasting less than a second is nothing short of bizarre.
 
You say Wiegman is "running and ..." and I see nothing more than a man sprawled on three concrete stair steps connected to a terrace filming with his news camera. You say it's unusual for him to be in that position, and "Who does that?"  I'll tell you who. News people do outrageous things just to get something on film, or to get a "scoop", everyday.  What's so unusual about getting down on concrete stairs to be on the same level with a couple who are reacting to the assassination?  It had rained that morning.  The grass and ground were wet, water spots can clearly be seen on the concrete stairs inches from him.  Perhaps Wiegman didn't want to ruin his suit, or get wet. It's really insulting that you stoop to the level of saying that people "Bought into an urban legend".  No one has bought into anything, and why would anyone care? Clearly, Wiegman was only interested in getting the Hester couples' reaction to what they just witnessed,  You insist that Wiegman tripped or ran into a chuck hole.  Based on what?   
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Your photo analysis skills are laughable, Royell. They really are.

    Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK Urban Legend. But, as the definition of the JFK assassination images improves, this is going to become more common. So you need to get used to it. This explains why NBC has Never released the Original Darnell and Wiegman Films. And, why we have been waiting for the Sixth Floor Museum to release the last half of the early generation copy of the Darnell Film. Should the Sixth Floor Museum release that last half of the Darnell Film, we are gonna clearly see a Bogus DPD Motorcycle Cop strolling across the train yard and toward the TSBD.
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You start with the silly assumption that the time estimates given by various witnesses are spot on accurate.

I haven't started with this assumption at all. That's a strawman argument you've invented because you simply cannot provide any kind of coherent counter-argument.
If, as you say, I've started with such an assumption, please point everyone to the post where I've done so.

I guess you're not bright enough to figure out that when you draw conclusions based on time estimates witnesses have given, you are assuming that those estimates are accurate. If those estimates are off by even a little, your whole argument collapses like a cheap lawn chair. [/quote]

The rest of your post is utter drivel, as usual.
The usual ranting with nothing to back it up.

Do you deny the WC omitted the elevator race from the final report. Or the testimony of Piper. Or the testimony of Rowland?
Can you argue against my point that the WC deliberately created a false narrative by ignoring all this evidence in favour of the fabrication involving Givens returning to the 6th floor?
Can you do it using evidence rather than your usual bluster?
Can you get involved in a genuine debate? [/quote]

The WC left a lot of irrelevant things out of their final report for reasons already stated. They did provide the 26 volumes of testimony for anal people such as yourself who want to pick the fly$hit out of the pepper. 
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It can be demonstrated, without any reasonable doubt, that the WC manipulated testimonial evidence in order to create a false narrative.
This is not a conspiracy. It's a simple fact
And I've not even got to the good stuff yet - the testimonies and statements of the six first responders on the scene who place Bonnie Ray's lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest.

Gee, i'd hate to think that the crap you've presented so far was the good stuff.
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As you have already revealed, you have no idea where Oswald was in the minutes leading up to the assassination.

Nor do I need to know. i know where he was at 12:30. He was blowing JFK's brains out.
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When we look objectively at the testimonial evidence the WC left out of it's report concerning this time, a narrative emerges that calls into question the assumptions that you, and every other Nutter, have made about the shooting.

Furthermore, even if these time estimates were spot on accurate, it would not preclude Oswald having fired the shots at 12:30. If Oswald was on the first floor at 12:00 and BRW was on the 6th floor until 12:15, that still leaves the 6th floor all to Oswald for 15 minutes prior to JFK's arrival in Dealey Plaza


Present the evidence for BRW arriving on the 6th floor so late rather than just blurt it out in desperation.
Use your brain to construct an argument and let's have a debate.

It is truly laughable that there are people in this world who think the WCR should have contained every word of testimony given over the course of a 9 month long investigation.
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