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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Dr. E. Forrest Chapman
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 03:26:28 PM »
It looks like this is destined to be yet another JFKA loose end. You would think that Chapman's claim would have been a bombshell that would have generated more discussion than it did and led to further examination of CE 543. It seems like the basic issue is simply "Does CE 543 show evidence of having been struck with a firing pin more than once?"

The newspaper article I linked said Chapman was "recently interviewed" by the HSCA, but I didn't find anything relating to that. The HSCA firearms panel report deals with the "dent" issue but not really the "firing pin" issue.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Dr. E. Forrest Chapman
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 03:04:43 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 01:20:40 PM
Chapman died at age 60 (nothing mysterious) in 1991. I see that much of the conspiracy literature describes him as a "forensic scientist," perhaps to disguise that his expertise was medical (he was a medical examiner and pathologist). However, I did find one newspaper article describing him as an expert in ballistics. He was not a fan of the Magic Bullet, referring to it as "utter rubbish" (https://www.archives.gov/files/research/rfk/releases/2025/0612/00419462_newspaper_articles_concer_104-10068-10053.pdf).

There seems to be remarkably little discussion of his claims regarding CE 543. Michael Kurtz, in Crime of the Century, claimed that CE 557, an FBI test shell, confirmed Chapman's claims: "The F.B.I. also reproduced the effect. Commission Exhibit 557 is a test cartridge case, fired empty from Oswald's rifle by the F.B.I. for ballistics comparison purposes. It, too, contains the dent in the lip and deep primer impression similar to Case 543." (557 can't be right. He must be referring to 559, which is what Charles has posted. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0138b.htm.)



Here’s a snippet from Robert Frazuer’s WC testimony. CE 557 is a photograph of the only two test cartridges used for identification comparison purposes. So far, Frazier doesn’t say anything about dry-firing one of them. And I cannot imagine that they would want to dry-fire one of them. My guess is than one was intended to be a backup for the other one in case something bad happened to one of them.


Mr. EISENBERG - After receiving the cartridge cases, did you examine them to determine whether they had been fired in Commission Exhibit 139?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - When did you make the examinations?
Mr. FRAZIER - On the dates I mentioned, that is, November 23, 1963, and November 27, 1963.
Mr. EISENBERG - And what were your conclusions, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER - I found all three of the cartridge cases had been fired in this particular weapon.
Mr. EISENBERG - Can you describe the examination which you conducted to reach these conclusions?
Mr. FRAZIER - The first step was to fire test cartridge cases in this rifle to pick up the microscopic marks which are left on all cartridge cases fired in this weapon by the face of the bolt. Then those, test cartridge cases were mounted on a comparison microscope, on the right-hand side, and on the left-hand side of the comparison microscope was mounted one of the three submitted cartridge cases, so that you could magnify the surfaces of the test and the evidence and compare the marks left on the cartridge cases by the belt face and the firing pin of the rifle.

(At this point, Mr. McCloy left the hearing room.)

Mr. EISENBERG - I now hand you two cartridge cases, and ask you whether you can identify these cartridge cases?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; these are the two cartridge cases we fired for test purposes in Exhibit 139.
Mr. EISENBERG - Do they have your mark on them?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, they do.
Mr. EISENBERG - Commissioner Boggs, may I introduce these as 557?
Representative BOGGS - They may be admitted.

(The items referred to were marked Commission Exhibit No. 557 for identification and received in evidence.)

Mr. EISENBERG - These were the only two cartridge cases fired as tests in Exhibit 139--as tests for the purpose of identification of the cartridge cases which you examined before, 543, 544, and 545?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; these two were used in those tests. There were many other cartridge cases fired, but not for that purpose.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 02:13:31 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 02:10:44 PM
I'm sure they could have shopped for a friendly federal judge

Should have. Could have. Would have.
Trump got the release, and has since protected what remains.
“...friends will get hurt...”
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 02:10:44 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 12:58:15 PM
Obama could not.
In 2016, they were under Grand Jury Seal and could not be opened without formal legal petitions and judicial approval.

I'm sure they could have shopped for a friendly federal judge
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Dr. E. Forrest Chapman
« Last post by Charles Collins on Today at 01:30:38 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 01:20:40 PM
Chapman died at age 60 (nothing mysterious) in 1991. I see that much of the conspiracy literature describes him as a "forensic scientist," perhaps to disguise that his expertise was medical (he was a medical examiner and pathologist). However, I did find one newspaper article describing him as an expert in ballistics. He was not a fan of the Magic Bullet, referring to it as "utter rubbish" (https://www.archives.gov/files/research/rfk/releases/2025/0612/00419462_newspaper_articles_concer_104-10068-10053.pdf).

There seems to be remarkably little discussion of his claims regarding CE 543. Michael Kurtz, in Crime of the Century, claimed that CE 557, an FBI test shell, confirmed Chapman's claims: "The F.B.I. also reproduced the effect. Commission Exhibit 557 is a test cartridge case, fired empty from Oswald's rifle by the F.B.I. for ballistics comparison purposes. It, too, contains the dent in the lip and deep primer impression similar to Case 543." (557 can't be right. He must be referring to 559, which is what Charles has posted. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0138b.htm.)




Thanks for the reply. Maybe I need to do some research on CE 557 and/or CE 559.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Dr. E. Forrest Chapman
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 01:20:40 PM »
Chapman died at age 60 (nothing mysterious) in 1991. I see that much of the conspiracy literature describes him as a "forensic scientist," perhaps to disguise that his expertise was medical (he was a medical examiner and pathologist). However, I did find one newspaper article describing him as an expert in ballistics. He was not a fan of the Magic Bullet, referring to it as "utter rubbish" (https://www.archives.gov/files/research/rfk/releases/2025/0612/00419462_newspaper_articles_concer_104-10068-10053.pdf).

There seems to be remarkably little discussion of his claims regarding CE 543. Michael Kurtz, in Crime of the Century, claimed that CE 557, an FBI test shell, confirmed Chapman's claims: "The F.B.I. also reproduced the effect. Commission Exhibit 557 is a test cartridge case, fired empty from Oswald's rifle by the F.B.I. for ballistics comparison purposes. It, too, contains the dent in the lip and deep primer impression similar to Case 543." (557 can't be right. He must be referring to 559, which is what Charles has posted. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0138b.htm.)



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 12:58:15 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:20:42 PM
The people who sealed them could unseal them if they chose. That would be the Obama administration. My guess is they were trying to protect Biill Clinton. Not that the Obamas and Clintons had any great love for each other but Obama would have done that for the good of the party. Anything damaging to Bill would have had collateral damage to Hillary.

Obama could not.
In 2016, they were under Grand Jury Seal and could not be opened without formal legal petitions and judicial approval.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 12:43:48 PM »
Man of a Million Fragments: The True Story of Clay Shaw by Donald H. Carpenter is so fantastically detailed that it becomes tedious. As with Oswald, there simply wasn't sufficient "missing time" in his life for him to have done all the things he supposedly did. New Orleans being what it was, and Shaw and Ferrie having gay proclivities, it's conceivable they were once in the same room together (e.g., some party or gathering) but the idea of close acquaintances is belied by all the evidence. Carpenter follows through on the main Ferrie claims, and they just don't pan out. Why can't people just let go of these dead ends?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:20:42 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 12:06:51 PM
Epstein files were sealed in 2016. Nobody could.

The people who sealed them could unseal them if they chose. That would be the Obama administration. My guess is they were trying to protect Biill Clinton. Not that the Obamas and Clintons had any great love for each other but Obama would have done that for the good of the party. Anything damaging to Bill would have had collateral damage to Hillary.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:15:58 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 07:05:22 AM
Not if "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin and/or his predecessors -- aided by Ghislaine's dad -- had made sure that high-powered Republicans *and* high-powered Democrats were implicated.

D'oh!

Another example of PDS.

If the Epstein files had anything damaging to Trump, Biden's puppet masters would definitely have leaked them in October of 2024. The one politician most likely to have been tarred by the Epstein files was Bill Clinton and leaking that material would not have helped Kamala. Of course, she was such a loseer, I doubt anything could have helped her.

I'd love to see Kamala nominated again in 2028, with AOC as her running mate, but I doubt even the Dems are that dumb. The Dems have found a winning formula. Nominate a far left socialist and have them run as a moderate Democrat, then after they get elected, they show their true colors. I don't think they could pull that off if the pick Kamala again.
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