JFK Assassination Forum

For better or worse (for worse actually) French crackpot Laurent Guyenot is indisputably part of the JFKA news environment.

Guyenot recently received 220 comments on this rather lengthy piece in the The Unz Review, which holds that Israel/Mossad perped the JFKA, working through Angleton. Ron Unz often parrots that same view.

Like many JFKA narratives...the facts on the ground in Guyenot's JFKA narrative are non-existent. It is an accusation based on the (possible) motives of the accused. Debunking Guyenot is like fighting air---there is no there there.

But Guyenot has many admirers, including "moderator" William Neiderhut of the Education Forum.
 
Guyenot's feculent narrative below is not worth reading, or to even bother disputing, but I present here as I have an interest in the JFKA news environment, and how often becomes platform for dubious characters, whether doing the work of the KGB, Tehran, or, in earlier decades, the US government, or simple polemics or hustlers trying make a buck in JFKA-land.

So read Guyenot herein, and draw your own conclusions. (You can also use Guyenot's JFKA-Mossad poster for free, he informs the reader. Lucky you!)
 

Oh, goody. We have a crackpot who wants to blame Israel. As if we haven't seen this one before. We had one of those on McAdams' forum as well and it was obvious from his other comments he was anti-Semitic as I suspect this person is as well.

Over the years, the list of accused suspects keeps growing. Here is just a partial list of the accused, none of which is based on any credible evidence:

LBJ
J. Edgar Hoover
The FBI
The CIA
The Secret Service
The DPD
The Mafia
Pro-Castro Cubans
Ant-Castro Cubans
Texas oilmen
Jimmy Hoffa
The Justice Department
The Department of Defense
The Army
The Navy
Jackie Kennedy (seriously)
John Connally (seriously)

I know I could probably find a dozen more with a little research that I'm too lazy to bother with now.

All I can say is that must have been one hell of a planning session. Did they have to rent out the Cotton Bowl to have room for everybody?

For better or worse (for worse actually) French crackpot Laurent Guyenot is indisputably part of the JFKA news environment.

Guyenot recently received 220 comments on this rather lengthy piece in the The Unz Review, which holds that Israel/Mossad perped the JFKA, working through Angleton. Ron Unz often parrots that same view.

Like many JFKA narratives...the facts on the ground in Guyenot's JFKA narrative are non-existent. It is an accusation based on the (possible) motives of the accused. Debunking Guyenot is like fighting air---there is no there there.

But Guyenot has many admirers, including "moderator" William Neiderhut of the Education Forum.
 
Guyenot's feculent narrative below is not worth reading, or to even bother disputing, but I present here as I have an interest in the JFKA news environment, and how often becomes platform for dubious characters, whether doing the work of the KGB, Tehran, or, in earlier decades, the US government, or simple polemics or hustlers trying make a buck in JFKA-land.

So read Guyenot herein, and draw your own conclusions. (You can also use Guyenot's JFKA-Mossad poster for free, he informs the reader. Lucky you!)
 
Affix gas masks, and proceed:
 
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What’s New on the Kennedy Assassination?
Focus on the Angleton-Israel connection
Laurent Guyénot • April 15, 2025
 • 2,200 Words • 220 Comments •

 
To my knowledge, no earth-shattering revelations or damning evidence has emerged from the 64,000 documents made public since March 18th on the assassination of John Kennedy. Nevertheless, the theory of Israeli guilt is reinforced by clarifications on James Jesus Angleton’s proximity to the Mossad. And the word is spreading on the social networks.

As shown here, the word Israel, which was blacked out from a previously declassified document, is now cleared on the new version. This indicates that, while the CIA had wanted to conceal the link between Angleton and Israel, the link is now so well known that the redaction of the word Israel has become ridiculously counterproductive. Similarly, on another document mentioning that Angleton “run several intelligence projects, many of them with [the Israeli Intelligence Service]”, the words in brackets have also been un-redacted, as pointed out on the Wikileaks X account, followed by 5.8 million subscribers.

A newly declassified page shown here cites CIA director (DCI) John McCone about the secret diplomatic crisis between the White House and the Jewish state over the latter’s determination to build nuclear bombs. Noting that the Israelis are “withholding information on the extent of its nuclear activities”, and “refuse to submit to international safeguards prescribed by the International Atomic Energy Agency”, McCone feared that the Israeli project would “trigger grave trouble in the Middle East”, and recommended to President Kennedy, as he had to his predecessor Eisenhower (as chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission), to impose economic sanctions against Israel. It must be remembered that McCone had been placed at the head of the CIA by Kennedy precisely because of his good knowledge of and opposition to the Israeli Dimona project.

This reminds us that incriminating “the CIA” in general terms for the Kennedy assassination makes little sense, since its director was certainly innocent. What needs to be done is to identify the CIA agents who may have been involved without their director’s knowledge. The name on which all suspicions focus since the 1970s is that of James Jesus Angleton, head of Counterintelligence. The CIA trail leads straight to the threshold of his office. However, since the publication in 2017 of his biography by Jefferson Morley (The Ghost), we know that his office led to the Mossad through a back door. Thus, through Angleton, the trail of the CIA leads straight to the Mossad, just like through Jack Ruby (Jacob Rubenstein), the trail of the “mafia” leads straight to the Irgun. Sam Parker summarizes well here the main acts of treason of Angleton in favor of Israel. (link not provided).

As stated in a recent Washington Post article on the tributes paid to Angleton in Israel after his death, “Angleton is reputed to have helped Israel obtain nuclear technical data”. This is an understatement: Angleton in fact covered up the theft and smuggling of materials intended for the Dimona nuclear reactor. Angleton was thus sabotaging Kennedy’s policy in a highly sensitive national and even global security matter.

Jefferson Morley, who has documented Angleton’s intimate connection to Mossad chiefs but refrained from making the connection with the Kennedy assassination—and, in the 1990s, had dismissed Michael Piper—now ventures to mention Israel’s possible involvement in the assassination in this interview with Tucker Carlson:

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At another occasion, Morley is heard explaining that Angleton had close relations with the Mossad and was hiding from the Church Committee (1975) his knowledge of how the CIA had helped Israel to steal nuclear materials from the U.S. He also explains that, according to his own testimony before the Church Committee, Angleton had recruited Israelis whose profile matches that of Rubin Efron (Efron was an Israeli spy, and a document declassified in 2023 revealed that he had been tasked with spying on Oswald’s mail for the CIA). But after emphasizing these important points, Morley summarizes what he can “say with confidence” (“my bottom line”): “The CIA’s counterintelligence is responsible for the Kennedy assassination.”

[Note from me: If Morley realy said that, he has lost his marbles. Perhaps CIA counter-intel, with lax standards, is a suspect in the JFKA...but "responsible"? Really, who knows who was on the ground in Dallas 11.22, and who they worked for? I have never seen anyone present any compelling evidence that any suspect other than LHO was in Dealey Plaza or the TSBD on 11.22]

Given that the head of counter-intelligence was also the exclusive liaison with Mossad, and that he had introduced Israeli spies into the CIA, including to spy on Oswald, and given that it was Morley who documented all of this, his conclusion sounds either like hypocrisy or like a ruse, an implicit way of saying that Israel is involved. I’d like to be optimist and belief the second hypothesis, but it is remarkable that Morley carefully avoids mention of Israel in his JFK Facts Substack blog. Likewise, when Karl Golovin asked him to comment on the question of Israel’s involvement in the Kennedy assassination, he replied: “I see no evidence of this.” Interestingly, Oliver Stone shows his awareness of the Dimona and the AIPAC issues, but turns to Jim DiEugenio as the expert. As I showed here, DiEugenio has done a great job on his website to show that LBJ reversed JFK’s foreign policy, especially in the Middle East, but refrains from pointing out that this makes Israel a major suspect.

This brief question and answer session followed a speech by Oliver Stone at the invitation of Anna Paulina Luna, appointed in February to head the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is responsible for declassification. Anecdotally, Karl Golovin, sitting two rows behind Stone, kept my book in view of the camera during the conference.

Karl also joined a recent JFK Facts Zoom with Morley and DiEugenio, and it is pleasing to see both responding politely to his question. Morley dismisses as “hasbarah” the fact that the Jewish press has called LBJ “the first Jewish US president”, implying that this should not be taken seriously. Nevertheless, Morley allowing his “old friend” Karl Golovin to make his points, and answering him, is a welcome development. Jim DiEugenio’s willingness to engage with the issue is also positive, although, like Morley, what he is saying essentially is that he does not see the evidence linking the JFK assassination to Israel.

Whatever are the motivations of Jim DiEugenio and Jefferson Morley for dismissing the Israel theory, they must be commended for their work: DiEugenio for showing how LBJ reversed JFK’s foreign policy in favor of Israel, and Morley for showing that the main suspect within the CIA was more loyal to the Mossad than to his own hierarchy. As an example, Morley mentions in his book The Ghost, p. 171, that, from the mid-50s, “Angleton liked nothing better than to leave the cramped office politics of Washington for the austere frontier of the Holy Land. On his visits, Angleton stayed in Ramat Gan, on the suburban coastal plain north of Tel Aviv, the home to many Israeli intelligence officers and diplomats.”

“He used to come from time to time, to meet the head of Mossad, to get briefings,” recalls Efraim Halevy, who served as the Mossad’s liaison officer to the CIA station in Tel Aviv in the early 1960s. Halevy escorted Angleton on his rounds and recorded his meetings with Israeli officials. “He used to meet with David Ben-Gurion, whom he knew for many years,” Halevy recalled. “Ben-Gurion ultimately left office [in 1963] and Angleton went down to Sde Boker [Ben-Gurion’s home in the Negev] to meet him. I didn’t attend those meetings. Those were just the two of them. He had business to transact.”

What could Angleton and Ben-Gurion have been discussing secretly that day? Remember that Ben-Gurion resigned (officially “for personal reasons”) on the day (June 16, 1963) he was to receive Kennedy’s final letter threatening Israel with sanctions if Israel refused an inspection of Dimona. The most reasonable hypothesis is that, having failed to make Kennedy yield on that matter, Ben Gurion decided to deal with him in another method (the rise-and-kill-first method). He probably called on the Irgun and Lehi veterans, specialists in political assassinations and false-flag operations, in particular Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, who would later be prime ministers.

Angleton has no doubt become, thanks to Morley’s work, a key piece of the puzzle. And although Morley struggles to keep the two Angletons separate (the CIA Angleton and the Mossad Angleton), Angleton has now been exposed as a traitor to his own country for bringing Israeli spies into the CIA, including into the monitoring of Oswald. This is of equal significance to LBJ being exposed as a traitor to his own country by allowing Israel to try to sink the USS Liberty and get away with it.

As Karl Golovin reminds us, Angleton was deeply admirative of the Mossad:
 
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In conclusion, great progress has been made over the last decade in the investigation into the assassination of JFK. The Israeli connection, first suggested by Michael Collins Piper in the 1990s, is now being raised by influential figures such as the historian Martin Sandler, who in 2013 edited a collection of Kennedy’s letters, including his exchange with Ben-Gurion in June 1963. It is fair to clarify that in the post below, the beginning of his sentence has been cut off, so that he seems to affirm a conviction, when in fact he is only summarizing Piper’s theory, without explicitly validating it. Nevertheless, his taking seriously this thesis is significant.

Since Johnson has been openly recognized as the most pro-Israel US president since Truman, investigators who targeted Lyndon Johnson as the mastermind of the assassination can no longer ignore Israel’s involvement. An example with Roger Stone, author of The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ:

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With Israel’s genocide in Gaza, the cognitive inhibitions that prevented considering Israel’s guilt in the assassination of Kennedy are crumbling. Highly influential journalists such as Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson have broken the taboo. Jackson Hinkle, followed by almost 3 million subscribers on X, relays Muammar Gaddafi’s speech at the UN General Assembly, which was almost impossible to find on the internet even a year ago.

I am happy to have contributed to this development with my book and my film, which Ron Unz quotes favorably in his recent article “How Israel killed the Kennedys”:

One of the tiny handful of later writers willing to embrace and promote the Piper Hypothesis has been Laurent Guyénot, a leading French conspiracy-researcher. Although I might not necessarily endorse every particular element, I would strongly recommend his 2019 book The Unspoken Kennedy Truth as the best single exposition of the Israel/Mossad case for the JFK Assassination. This paperback summarizes all the important information and is short enough that it can easily be read in just a day or two. His 2018 article on the same subject covers the same information in much more abbreviated form: “Did Israel Kill the Kennedys?” (June 3, 2018). Guyénot also presented this same controversial material in the form of a 2022 documentary available on YouTube. Although perhaps too hagiographic, “Israel and the Assassinations of the Kennedy Brothers” likewise constitutes the best video introduction to that subject.

The film can be watched on the Youtube channel of the indispensable Sam Parker:
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Feel free to use my poster recapping the essential arguments of the case against Israel in the Kennedy assassinations (plural intended).

JohnC has been nothing but respectful with you this entire time but as usual when your back is against the wall, you deliver a barrage of insults, this always happens and then when someone matches your energy to give you a taste of your own medicine, like a spoiled child you cry foul without realizing that since day 1, you have ALWAYS been the instigator. If you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult!!


JohnM

I've been dealing with the conspiracy hobbyists on and off for 35 years and not much has changed. This particular forum is just more of the same. They never want to talk about specifics or deal with the body of evidence as a whole. They never try to explain what they think happened because they have no evidence that shows the JFKA happened a different way than what the WC gave us. The expect us to reject the WCR without ever offering something more compelling. They don't have a leg to stand on and they know it, but rather than admit they have been wrong all these years, they double down on their nonsense.

Oh goody, the amateur hour continues in the most shallow way possible. That's just sad.

The WC explanation wins by default.

This most pathetic comment sums it up nicely what a fool showing his true colors can be like....

The WC report is nothing more than a prosecutorial presentation of an extremely weak circumstantial case. Even worse, it's a political motivated report to bring about a quick explanation to convince the American public. In other words, it's not worth the paper it was written on!

When, as it did for me, the WC explanation falls short of providing a solid case and turns out to be a mere propaganda tool, it can never be a default, except of course for fools who do not understand the first thing they are actually talking about.

Do you really want to expose yourself as an idiot who can not counter any point I have raised? Have at it.... I can only feel sorry for you

This most pathetic comment sums it up nicely what a fool showing his true colors can be like....

except of course for fools who do not understand the first thing they are actually talking about.

expose yourself as an idiot

JohnC has been nothing but respectful with you this entire time but as usual when your back is against the wall, you deliver a barrage of insults, this always happens and then when someone matches your energy to give you a taste of your own medicine, like a spoiled child you cry foul, without realizing that since day 1 you have ALWAYS been the instigator. If you want to be treated like an adult, act like an adult!!

Coming from a pathetic loser who always reverts to personal attacks when he can't win an argument, this is funny!

JohnM

In 35 years of dealing with conspiracy hobbyists, your the first one who I've ever come across who even made an issue about Haygood. What reason would anyone else have had to cook up an explanation for Haygood's movements. You are a cult of one with your fixation about this. Nobody else cares. And nobody else ever will.

   You just saw how important, "That Ain't Haygood", is with the baseless claim now being made that Haygood made a 2nd trip into the railroad yard and that 2nd trip is what Darnell filmed. And you also fail to comprehend the ramifications of an Unknown Motorcycle Cop roaming across the railroad yard immediately after the kill shot.  The entirely baseless claim of Haygood making a 2nd trip into the railroad yard is indicative of a Defcon 1 setting. LN's understand that the fact proven "That Ain't Haygood" discovery is seismic.