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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 01:53:02 AM »
"it's logical to assume that they were all reacting, consciously or otherwise, to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot”.

It might be reasonable to infer that they were reacting to a shot IF there was evidence that there had actually been a shot just before then.  But you can’t use the head turn as evidence of a gun shot because there are many reason for the car occupants to be turning their heads.
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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

Bennet said he experienced the following in this sequence:

1) Heard "a firecracker"

2) Started looking at the limo

3) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back

4) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back of the head


You have a problem with that?

-- Tom

   And again, you run away from his fired bullets timeline. That timeline of his proves a conspiracy.
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You wanna swear by this Agent, but you then manipulate his timing of the shots. Cherry Picking through the statement of an eyewitness is an immediate DQ.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

Bennet said he experienced the following in this sequence:

1) Heard "a firecracker"

2) Started looking at the limo

3) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back

4) Saw a bullet hit JFK in the back of the head


You have a problem with that?

-- Tom
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.

Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.

“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”

The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.

I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.


Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg

  You wanna swear by this Agent, but you then manipulate his timing of the shots. Cherry Picking through the statement of an eyewitness is an immediate DQ.
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What the hell do you know about forensic science?

Is this supposed to be some kind of answer to the point that forensic science tells us that FMJ bullets will never, ever shatter into dozens of fragments after striking skull bone and that on the "rare" occasions when they fragment at all they will leave only a few fragments?

I actually know quite a bit about forensic science. Unlike you, I've taken the time to read a number of handbooks on forensic science, such as Vincent DiMaio's Gunshot Wounds, Malcolm Dodd's Terminal Ballistics, DiMaio and Suzanna Dana's Handbook of Forensic Pathology, and Russell Fisher and Charles Petty's Forensic Pathology: A Handbook for Pathologists, along with many articles on bullet behavior. 

It's just this simple: If JFK's head had been hit by FMJ ammo, the autopsy skull x-rays would only show a few bullet fragments, just as we see in the released x-rays of the skulls from the WC's head-shot wound ballistics test. If FMJ ammo had hit JFK's head, the autopsy skull x-rays would not show a cluster of dozens of tiny fragments. If FMJ ammo had hit JFK's head in the rear, the autopsy skull x-rays would not show any fragments embedded in the rear outer table of the skull. Not on this planet anyway.

Finally, it is worth noting once again that in your whacky theory of the shooting, two FMJ bullets hit JFK, with one of them emerging virtually undamaged, with its lands and grooves intact, and with a loss of no more than 4 grains of its substance after allegedly penetrating seven layers of skin, smashing 4-5 inches of rib bone, and shattering a distal radius bone, while the other one shatters into dozens of metal particles, leaves a number of measurable fragments, and produces two sizable fragments after transiting a human skull.



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 12:59:49 AM »
Why do you read every head movement during the time in question to be a reaction to a gun shot?

"The time in question" is very short: the half-second between Z-140 and Z-150.

What's interesting is that all five of the passengers (JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman) in the limo start turning their heads quicky during that half-second.

Given that, plus what we see Glen Bennett, George Hickey, and Rosemary Willis doing during that same "time in question" and the fact that Elsie Dorman, standing about thirty feet away from Oswald on the fourth floor, involuntarily stopped filming twice -- 0.12 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming, and again at Z-228 -- it's logical to assume that they were all reacting, consciously or otherwise, to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot.
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Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett, who was sitting on the passenger-side rear seat of the follow-up car and who can be seen in Z-145 starting to lean to his right to see around Dave Powers, came the closest to correctly describing Oswald's three shots.

Unfortunately, Bennett's favorite words seem to have been words like "immediately" and "exact." This is part of what he wrote by hand on 11/22/63 in CE 2112, WC 24 H 542. My comments are in brackets.

“At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, [started leaning to my right to see around Dave Powers and] looked at the Boss's car. At this exact [actually, about five seconds later] time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shoot [sic] followed immediately [actually, about five seconds later] and hit the right rear high of [?] the boss's head.”

The important thing is that Bennett confirms that the "firecracker sound" was before he started "looking at the Boss' car," and that while doing so he saw a bullet (CE-399) hit JFK in the lower neck/upper back around Z-222.

I contend that the "firecracker" sound was Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.


Secret Service Agent Glen Bennet starts leaning to his right to see around Dave Powers in Z-145:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg
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.Kamp is a liar...

As Royell correctly points out, you really are all over the place.
You constantly discredit Kamp yet your identification of Lovelady in Darnell is based solely on his work.
One minute you're saying that conspirators made Shelley lie then you're saying Shelley is one of the conspirators!
You constantly insist the man on the steps is Molina, when the man isn't wearing a white shirt and Molina specifically testifies that he had no interaction with anyone on the steps.
Take a deep breath and have a little think about the evidence.

   I continue looking forward to your fleshing out your theory that Shelley/Lovelady entered the TSBD through the front door. That's an original concept and does answer many timeline issues.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 11:41:39 PM »
It is one thing for 44 witnesses not to immediately recognize a sound as a gunshot. It is quite another thing for all 44 to continue failing to realize the first loud noise was a gunshot after realizing that the next two similar loud noises were gunshots. That is absurd.

   Maybe the shot #1 sounded different than shots #2 and #3? Different guns?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 09:59:30 PM »
What a sh3t interpretation of witness testimony.
What a waste of everyone's time.
Why did you even bother with such a crass and childish post?

And this from the Nutter who bases his whole opinion about this issue on a single witness.
#hypocrisy
#stupidity
It is one thing for 44 witnesses not to immediately recognize a sound as a gunshot. It is quite another thing for all 44 to continue failing to realize the first loud noise was a gunshot after realizing that the next two similar loud noises were gunshots. That is absurd. 
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