JFK Assassination Forum

"Schrank's bullet lodged in Roosevelt's chest after penetrating Roosevelt's steel glasses case and passing through a 50-page-thick (single-folded) copy of his speech titled "Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual", which he was carrying in his jacket pocket."

There is a vast difference between a revolver bullet c. 1912 (likely bullet ~880 fps) that first struck a steel glasses case and then a 50-page book...and near 2000-fps large slug from an M-C carbine that passed through a dress shirt (JBC).

CE-399 slowed a bit when it passed through JFK, and it probably hit JBC's fifth rib tangentially and traveled parallel to it.

We are on different pages on JBC.  Signing out.

Probably because you're conspiracy-minded and therefore refuse to read what I've posted and look at the frames I've mentioned.

Verily, Roosevelt and the "Bull Moose Party."

"Schrank's bullet lodged in Roosevelt's chest after penetrating Roosevelt's steel glasses case and passing through a 50-page-thick (single-folded) copy of his speech titled "Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual", which he was carrying in his jacket pocket."

There is a vast difference between a revolver bullet c. 1912 (likely bullet ~880 fps) that first struck a steel glasses case and then a 50-page book...and near 2000-fps large slug from an M-C carbine that passed through a dress shirt (JBC).

From afar, I admire Roosevelt's fortitude, nonetheless. His photos make him look like a fatty, and a faux toughie who shot animals, but who knows maybe some blubber helped his survival too.

We are on different pages on JBC.

Signing out.

Dont pull this Unites States DEMOCRATIC PROPAGANDA into this conversation which seems to be the same as what we saw in the 60s, which meant the cuban missile crisis and which Kennedy cancelled, mainly because it was the same level crap.

Based on your statements, you must be some state paid government off duty "journalist" that spreads this confrontation-like a attitude between democracy and other models of governance into people.

Ps. Russia and Putin is not so bad as you government paid mens are spreading from them. The one you should have to be affraid is the biggest TERRORIST STATE United State that has machinated 911 plane crashes against your own people and against your own country only to get justification for this world biggest manhunt since NAZI jews, which is afganistan FAKE TERRORISTS, because this 911 plane crash had been CIA, FBI and NTSB led operation and tells you, how sick this MAD DOG of United States, George "911" Bush really is

You're full of high-fructose beans and KGB disinformation whether you realize it or not.

Go home.

Putin needs you there.

I think FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover's memo only 2 days after the assassination should be at or near the top of everyone's list of reasons to consider that Oswald didn't do it... or at least was not the mastermind behind the event...
When top law enforcement officials want to direct the narrative early on in order to sway public opinion - without any semblance of a thorough investigation - they are most likely trying to cover up something. They are not after the truth of the matter in any regard. 
“The thing I am concerned about… is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.” [J. Edgar Hoover, Memo to Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach, 11/24/63]

Jake, the DP on the very first day had enough evidence to charge Oswald with JFK's murder. And in the next couple of days before the memo, the Authorities accumulated a Mountain of evidence.
How can a sane rational man come to any other conclusion?

1. The recovered bullet and fragments all came from C2766.
2. C2766 was purchased and possessed by Oswald.
3. Oswald made an atypical visit mid-week to Irving to visit his wife.
4. Oswald carried a long package to work which he told Frazier contained curtain rods but later he lied and told the Police that he only carried his lunch.
5. The rifle which was stored in a blanket at Irving was not there on the afternoon of the 22nd.
5. The rifle had Oswald's palm print.
7. The 3 types of fibres on the rifle were a match to Oswald's arrest shirt, while not conclusive the prohibitive probability strongly suggests that they are the same.
8. Oswald immediately fled the scene of the crime (flight)
9. Oswald got on and off a slow moving bus. (flight)
10. Oswald got out of his cab way past his Rooming house.
11. Oswald killed a cop(the first on duty Dallas cop in years to be killed by gunfire), why would Oswald feel the need to kill a cop if he didn't kill Kennedy.
12. Oswald tried to kill more cops when he was arrested.
13. Oswald lied about owning the rifle that killed Kennedy.
14. Oswald lied about the package he took to work on the 22nd.
15. The rifle carry bag had Oswald's prints.
16. Oswald had no alibi.
17. Oswald at the height of the Cold War defected to the Enemy.
18. Oswald took surveillance photos of General Walkers house and a short time later attempted to assassinate General Walker.
19. ETC, ETC,...

With the above evidence, why do hardcore conspiracy theorist's continue to cast doubt on this initial conclusive evidence, and consider that 60+ years later none of this evidence has been refuted.

JohnM

When we look at Z-260, we've got to ask ourselves, "Would JBC really have turned around so far to see "where the shot had come from" and "try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his shoulder"?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z260.jpg

I say he wouldn't.

Especially since we know now that, having heard the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything "Z-124" shot and having consciously and rapidly turned his head to his left starting at Z-150, JBC, in a futile attempt see where the shot had come from and to try to catch a glimpse of JFK, started turning far to his right in Z-165 and was still turned significantly in that direction when both he and JFK were struck by CE-399 at Z-222/Z-224.

Therefore, what we're seeing in Z-260 is a largish man who has been was struck by a bullet (CE-399) two seconds earlier -- but whose spinal cord and vital organs are still intact.

And who was in so much shock and pain that he couldn't remember later that he was finally able, on his second attempt, to see JFK with his peripheral vision if not directly.

"Case Closed"

If I remember correctly, JBC said that his initial thought after he was shot was that it was going to be fatal for hisself. I tend to agree that the turn and look JBC made around Z260 was a little over two seconds after he was hit. I think the reason he didn’t remember seeing JFK was something called repression:

“The psychological term is repression, a defense mechanism where an individual unconsciously blocks distressing memories or thoughts from their awareness to avoid emotional pain. It differs from suppression, which is the conscious decision to push thoughts away. Another related term is denial, which involves consciously or unconsciously refusing to acknowledge an unpleasant reality.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+psychological+term+for+mentally+blocking+out+something+that+is+too+terrible+to+accept&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

I also think that is probably the same reason Jackie said she had no memory of crawling back onto the trunk lid of the limo.