JFK Assassination Forum

Pure nonsense. CE399 is that bullet that caused the thigh wound but only after passing through JFK's torso AND JBC's torso AND shattering his rib AND shattering his wrist. Had it gone directly from JFK's throat to JBC's thigh it would have done one of two things. If it hit his femur, it would have shattered it.

To my knowledge no expert has even considered a scenario in which the bullet through JFK then struck just the thigh.  The trajectory was along the femur so it struck at a shallow angle to the femur bone. The femur is the strongest bone in the body so I don’t know on what basis one could say that a partially spent bullet, tumbling end over end then striking the thigh butt first on a shallow angle striking the femur and making a dent in the base on one side would result in a shattering of the femur.

The second shot hit a lot of somethings in the car like JFK's back, his throat, his necktie, JBC's back, his rib, his wrist, and his thigh. The damage to the windshield was caused by a fragment from the head shot. How does a bullet go from JBCs wrist through the car seat in front of him, through Kellerman in order to hit the windshield.

The better question might be: how does a bullet strike the back of the radius with enough force to break pieces of the radius (but not put a hole through the radius) and not deflect away from the point of contact?

The evidence is that Greer sensed an impact in the car on the second shot and Tague was struck on the second shot. 

The questions Zeon and I have presented you with are questions you should have been asking yourself about your silly theory which I think I first saw about 18 years ago on McAdams' forum. If you had, you would have realized it doesn't hold water and you would have abandoned it. Instead you try to bend and twist the evidence to make it work. By trying to drive this square peg into a round hole, you show you are not interested in knowing the truth. You are a person who wants your theory to be true.

My only contention is that the large bodies of mutually consistent witness evidence all fits together and cannot be rejected. I wouldn’t call that a theory. It is what the witnesses independently recalled happened: JFK was struck by the first shot; the first shot was after z186: the last two shots were closer together and in fairly rapid succession. There is no conflict between that evidence and one person firing all shots with Oswald’s rifle.  There is no conflict between that evidence and the zfilm.  There is no conflict between that evidence and the physical evidence

Get real TG, no one has ever proved Royell wrong about anything whatsoever. (At least not if you ask Royell himself….)   

It appears likely that hostilities will resume when the ceasefire expires on Wednesday. There might be one more  round of negotiations but one would have to be an incurable optimist to think anything will come of it. Friday, the Iranians announced the Strait of Hormuz would reopen only to be rescinded the next day. Whether it was just a ploy to get the US to lift the blockade of Iranian ports or the IRG overruling the deal made by negotiators, it's clear those negotiators do not speak for the regime.

As soon as the ceasefire expires, we should unload on them. Destroy their bridges. Destroy their powerplants. Whatever it takes to bring them to their knees. Best case scenario is we have intelligence that tells us where their military leaders are and decapitate their leadership. Keep killing their military leaders until we get down to a level where we get someone calling the shots who thinks martyrdom is overrated. Let's give the current leaders their 72 virgins ASAP.

One thing that has always puzzled me about the promise of 72 virgins is that they have to last an eternity and they are only going to be virgins once.

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CE399 definitely caused the thigh wound but there is not enough evidence to determine where it ended up.  While some of the medical evidence suggests it did not penetrate far, that was not what Dr. Shires said.  He operated on the wound and removed damaged tissue down to the femur.  He also said that the xrays of JBC’s left thigh showed a small lead fragment embedded in the femur. The fragment is visible in the xray front and side views. 

Pure nonsense. CE399 is that bullet that caused the thigh wound but only after passing through JFK's torso AND JBC's torso AND shattering his rib AND shattering his wrist. Had it gone directly from JFK's throat to JBC's thigh it would have done one of two things. If it hit his femur, it would have shattered it. If it missed his femur it would have gone completely through the soft tissue of his thigh and into the car seat beneath it. Neither of those happened which invalidates your theory.

Dr. Gregory observed the thigh wound and said it was a punctate wound that looked like it was made by the butt end of an intact missile. That is quite different than the description he provided of the missile that struck the radius which Gregory described as an irregularly shaped missile.

Gregory should have stayed in his lane. He was neither a ballistics expert nor a forensic medical examiner.

So, it may be that CE399 stayed in the wound. Or, because it was a very oblique strike by a tumbling bullet, likely rapidly tumbling, it may have tumbled out of the wound and struck something at low speed and bounced back onto JBC. There is also the possibility that it bounced back onto the back seat. That is based the recent (but completely uncorroborated) statement by SA Landis that he picked up a whole bullet from the back seat and later placed it on JFK’s stretcher.

Now there's a magic bullet

I suggest that the bullet after exiting JFK’s neck, striking the tie, tumbling, striking the thigh butt-first and leaving lead from its base embedded in the femur   and a wound that damaged tissue down to the femur did not make a shallow wound.
Connally was a healthy 46 year old. I don’t know of any evidence to suggest that he couldn’t do what he is seen doing in the zfilm at z193.  He is turned around much more than that by z255.

The bullet neither shatteredd JBC's femur nor did it pass through his thigh so it could not possibly have come directly from JFK's throat.

Connally is turned so his chest is facing to the left of Zapruder. Zapruder was 31 degrees to the car direction at z193. It looks to me like JBC’s shoulders are turned to about a 2 o’clock position relative to the car.  What do you say?

Robin Unger's enhanced Z193 frame shows JBC's shoulders weren't turned anywhere close to what they are in your silly drawing which further invalidates your magic bullet theory

JFK is leaning forward and to the left after the neck shot.  Dave Powers sitting directly behind JFK said that JFK moved far left after first shot. He said that left JBC visible until the second shot when he disappeared.  There is no question that a bullet passing just to the right of JFK could have struck JBC.

...and then magically disappeared. Your theory requires two magic bullets.

As far as the wrist wound is concerned, his right arm is pronated do that the back of his forearm is facing the chest right where the bullet exited.  The damage done to the wrist indicates that the bullet deflected off the radius leaving a very long and irregular hole in the french cuff. There is also evidence it fragmented.  Greer said he sensed a concussion on the second shot as if it hit something in the car. There was damage to the top of the windshield frame. Tague said he was hit on the second shot.

The second shot hit a lot of somethings in the car like JFK's back, his throat, his necktie, JBC's back, his rib, his wrist, and his thigh. The damage to the windshield was caused by a fragment from the head shot. How does a bullet go from JBCs wrist through the car seat in front of him, through Kellerman in order to hit the windshield.

The questions Zeon and I have presented you with are questions you should have been asking yourself about your silly theory which I think I first saw about 18 years ago on McAdams' forum. If you had, you would have realized it doesn't hold water and you would have abandoned it. Instead you try to bend and twist the evidence to make it work. By trying to drive this square peg into a round hole, you show you are not interested in knowing the truth. You are a person who wants your theory to be true.