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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:11:06 AM »
Quote from: Bill Brown on Yesterday at 10:23:43 PM
On film....

Reporter:  "Were you in the building at the time?"

Oswald:  "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir."

Oswald admits, on film, that he was inside the building at the time of the shooting.  Therefore, Oswald was not out by the front steps.  If Oswald was not out by the front steps, then he is not prayer man.  If Oswald is not prayer man, then who cares who prayer man was.

     "Prayer Man" might be a living eyewitness: (1) to the assassination, (2) a possible early 1st shot that missed, (3) etc. Knowing the ID of Prayer Man holds value beyond the Oswald stuff.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Educating Benjamin Cole is a full-time job.
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 04:00:14 AM »
TG-

I am happy to keep you (un)gainfully employed.

Yes, I am aware that one Clare Edward Petty (three names 1960s-style!) thought DeM. might have been an Iron Curtain asset, possibly into the 1960s.

Maybe DeM. prompted LHO's move to Russia, where the KGB officer in Minsk said that LHO had been an asset. Maybe not.

The same LHO that met with three KGB officials on a Saturday in MC, and with Cubans, and then a couple months later played a role in the JFKA. And a couple months after Castro said what goes around comes around, in relation to assassination attempts.

And after which LBJ told Warren the President wanted no WC results that would trigger a nuke war with Russia. And Hoover and LBJ settled on the LN narrative in 48 hours, maybe less.







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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Educating Benjamin Cole is a full-time job.
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 03:46:52 AM »
Benjamin posted the following at the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum on 21 October 2025:

My understanding is that DeMohrenschildt said he was asked by a Dallas CIA staffer, J. Walton Moore [of the Domestic Contacts Division], to informally monitor LHO. However, Moore denies that he ever asked that of DeMohrenschildt. I tend to suspect [interesting word choice!] DeMohrenschildt was telling the truth, as otherwise why would the somewhat status-conscious DeMohrenschildt be pals with LHO? On the other hand, there were always questions raised about DeM's true loyalties, and he was seen meeting with a Soviet intel officer.  In 1946, de Mohrenschildt reportedly had contact with Fedor Alekseevich Garanin, a member of the Soviet State Security, according to FBI records from 1964. Maybe DeM. was indirectly working for Bruce Solie? On the other-other hand, maybe DeMohrenschildt was just a decent guy and wanted to help out another Russian, Marina, who was new to the U.S.[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe, maybe not . . .

Did you know that -- as revealed by Dick Russell in his 1992 book, The Man Who Knew Too Much -- CIA Counterintelligence analyst Clare Edward Petty determined, by reading some WW II VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s, that DeMohrenschildt was very probably a long-term KGB "illegal"?

1) From Poland or some-such country (Belarus).

2) Arrived in the U.S. before WW II.

3) Lived in Mexico during WW II.

4) A real wheeler-dealer.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Bruce Solie hide CIA files on Richard Case Nagell from the HSCA?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:08:27 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 12:53:49 AM
TG--

It is a puzzle how Solie ever connected to LHO, and if there was a cut-out.

The answer may lie in Japan, where it is possible LHO, a dedicated Marxist, was successfully approached by KGB assets. There has been some buzz about this, the Queen Bee bar, and LHO having a hottie girlfriend out of his league, etc.

Then, the word to go to Russia could have been delivered to LHO, through KGB assets stateside in 1959, who were tight with Solie.

Richard Case Nagell (all three names, 1960s-style!) said LHO had become a KGB asset in Russia, and had been instructed to assassinate JFK, but that the Russians decided to back out of the plan, but LHO persisted.

Nagell always struck me, sadly, as having mental difficulties. Nagell said he was supposed to interdict LHO's JFKA.

The leftie ideologues always say Khrushchev would never have planned to assassinate JFK, the pair of leaders wanted to sing kumbaya.

The kumbaya scenario sets aside that elements within the KGB could well have wanted to perp the JFKA, and that JFK was an ardent and globalist anti-commie, who threatened to go to a nuke war to keep Russian missiles out of Cuba. And does not contemplate that Khrushchev was simply playing JFK. Or trying to. 

In late June 1963 JFK stood in Berlin, massive crowds, and said, "And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin."

---30---

Yes, JFK then, and any number of times, referred to communism as an "evil system." JFK was globally charismatic. He started the Green Beret and AID to fight communism, and any other number of programs, and said so. It was JFK who helped form South Vietnam, and then led the US to intervene militarily there.

Solie may have been afraid that links between him and LHO might emerge, if the RCN file was read by a discerning mind.

Forgotten today, and ignored by the ideological left, and by Putin and Tehran-inspired JFKA "researchers," is the LBJ told the WC not to pursue any results that could start a nuke war with Russia.

That would include finding out that LHO was, or had been, a G2 or KGB asset.

If you assume (as I do) that John M. Newman is right in his 2022 book Uncovering Popov's Mole -- that James Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior, Bruce Leonard Solie, was a KGB mole in the CIA's mole-hunting Office of Security and that he sent Oswald to Moscow in October 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA (the Soviet Russia Division) -- it doesn't necessarily mean that the KGB  encouraged / programmed Oswald to kill JFK.

Shoot (pardon the pun), self-described Marxist Oswald might have gotten tired of being jacked around by both the CIA and the KGB and decided all by him widdle Marxist self to kill JFK and "advance the Dialectic."

 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Are Jeff Morley and RT verboten topics? Just askin'
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:14:02 AM »
DM--

all good.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Russia Today (RT) Valorizes Jeff Morley
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:12:58 AM »
Russia Today, now RT, is the Putin's propaganda video arm.

They love Jeff Morley:



Morley also recently appeared on Tucker Carlson's "Conspiretards" podcast, to suggest Mossad waxed JFK, working with James Jesus Angleton, and that Tel Aviv is now suffocating release of the JFK files. The Israelis are telling Trump what files he can release, said Morley.

The question is: Is Morley an honest but useful idiot, or receiving Tehran- or RT-linked funds through his substack subscriber base, or other channels?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Bruce Solie hide CIA files on Richard Case Nagell from the HSCA?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 12:53:49 AM »
TG--

It is a puzzle how Solie ever connected to LHO, and if there was a cut-out.

The answer may lie in Japan, where it is possible LHO, a dedicated Marxist, was successfully approached by KGB assets. There has been some buzz about this, the Queen Bee bar, and LHO having a hottie girlfriend out of his league, etc.

Then, the word to go to Russia could have been delivered to LHO, through KGB assets stateside in 1959, who were tight with Solie.

Richard Case Nagell (all three names, 1960s-style!) said LHO had become a KGB asset in Russia, and had been instructed to assassinate JFK, but that the Russians decided to back out of the plan, but LHO persisted.

Nagell always struck me, sadly, as having mental difficulties. Nagell said he was supposed to interdict LHO's JFKA.

The leftie ideologues always say Khrushchev would never have planned to assassinate JFK, the pair of leaders wanted to sing kumbaya.

The kumbaya scenario sets aside that elements within the KGB could well have wanted to perp the JFKA, and that JFK was an ardent and globalist anti-commie, who threatened to go to a nuke war to keep Russian missiles out of Cuba. And does not contemplate that Khrushchev was simply playing JFK. Or trying to. 

In late June 1963 JFK stood in Berlin, massive crowds, and said, "And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin."

---30---

Yes, JFK then, and any number of times, referred to communism as an "evil system." JFK was globally charismatic. He started the Green Beret and AID to fight communism, and any other number of programs, and said so. It was JFK who helped form South Vietnam, and then led the US to intervene militarily there.

Solie may have been afraid that links between him and LHO might emerge, if the RCN file was read by a discerning mind.

Forgotten today, and ignored by the ideological left, and by Putin and Tehran-inspired JFKA "researchers," is the LBJ told the WC not to pursue any results that could start a nuke war with Russia.

That would include finding out that LHO was, or had been, a G2 or KGB asset.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Gerry Down on Today at 12:16:43 AM »
Quote from: Alex Harris on Yesterday at 07:16:14 PM
Groden has several storage units packed full of stuff. In that particular one in that video, he has most of his 16mm and 35mm copies of all of the films. I have an inventory that he made of all of the most important ones. In another storage unit, he's got probably 50+ boxes of unmarked VHS tapes of various things. I know he would tape every news special and documentary that aired on TV. He's also got some U-Matic tapes of scans from his film copies of things, as well as the master/original tapes of several of his TV appearances. If I remember correctly, he has the master tape of his March 6, 1975 showing of the Zapruder film on Good Night America.

If I remember correctly, Groden once said that some woman stole all his material. I think her name was Diane or something. Did Groden ever mention this to you as I'm surprised he still has so much stuff if someone once stole all of his material.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Why did Bruce Solie hide CIA files on Richard Case Nagell from the HSCA?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 11:22:35 PM »
As the CIA’s primary mole hunter and Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton’s confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior, probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie in CIA's Office of Security hid the security files on several people from the HSCA.

One of them was Richard Case Nagell, the subject of Dick Russell’s 1992 book, The Man Who Knew Too Much.

The following is the first document in Nagell’s 221-page Office of Security file (RIF: 104-10305-10005)


23 August 1978

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

From: Bruce L. Solie
Chief, Security Analysis Group
Subject: Nagell, Richard Case
#264 170

1. This memorandum identifies those Office of Security files which were reviewed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) staff members in conjunction with the HSCA's investigation into the deaths of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

2. Under procedures established with the HSCA, certain items of information were not reviewed by HSCA staff members. These items were placed in envelopes, sealed, appropriately identified, and put back into the Security file prior to HSCA's review. Office of Security personnel reviewing these files should maintain the integrity of each envelope below so that interested parties may know what was and what was not reviewed by HSCA staff members. [emphasis added]

3. In some instances, the above files contain material marked in the lower right-hand corner with a green circular dot. This mark should alert Office of Security personnel to the fact that this material was located and placed in the file at the time of the HSCA review and was seen by an HSCA staffer(s). This material should not be removed from the file.

4. Attached to this memorandum is a review sheet which identifies the name of the HSCA reviewer(s) and the date of his review.

5. Questions regarding the above procedure and or the HSCA's review should be redirected to the Security Analysis Group.

-- Bruce L Solie

. . . . . . .

My comment:

Remember that John M. Newman, author of Oswald and the CIA, wrote in his 2022 book, Uncovering Popov's Mole, that Solie betrayed the U-2's secrets and CIA's spy, GRU Col. Pyotr Popov, to the KGB in January 1957, and that he sent Oswald to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to James Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA -- the Soviet Russia Division -- which mole hunt lasted nine years, protected Solie from being uncovered, tore the Soviet Russia Division apart, and drove Angleton nuts.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Bill Brown on Yesterday at 10:23:43 PM »
On film....

Reporter:  "Were you in the building at the time?"

Oswald:  "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir."

Oswald admits, on film, that he was inside the building at the time of the shooting.  Therefore, Oswald was not out by the front steps.  If Oswald was not out by the front steps, then he is not prayer man.  If Oswald is not prayer man, then who cares who prayer man was.
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