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In a number of threads, people have brought up the fact that people in the motorcade smelled gunpowder as they were going past the GK. To that my reaction has always been SO WHAT. I think we can safely say no one fired a weapon on Elm St. so the people who got a whiff of gunpowder residue when they were on Elm St. give us no clue as to where that residue was discharged.


I've corrected you on this stuff before, but I see you're repeating it again.

Recap: One, the witnesses who smelled gunpowder said they smelled it on the grassy or near the knoll. Two, they indicated they smelled it very soon after the shooting, within less than about 1 minute after the shooting, judging from their accounts. Three, several witnesses also said they saw gun smoke coming from an area of the picket fence on the knoll. Four, a small cloud of apparent gun smoke can be seen in the Wiegman film hanging over a point on the grassy knoll. 

I thought of this following the recent assassination attempt on President Trump and some of the people smelled the gunpowder in the ballroom even though the assailant never discharged his weapon there. The residue that people smell can drift quite a distance from it's origin. This gives us no indication where that residue was discharged from.

You're talking about a case where the gunman fired inside a building with an air circulation system and fired only about 10-15 feet away from the ballroom entrance. It's not a bit surprising that some people in the ballroom could smell gunpowder, and, more important, the gunpowder did not "drift quite a distance" from its origin.

So any suggestion that the Trump assassination attempt implies that the gunpowder that Dealey Plaza witnesses smelled near/on the grassy knoll came from 60 feet up and 200-plus feet away is baseless.

". . . from it's origin"? You mean "from its origin." The possessive form of "it" is "its," not "it's." "It's" is a contraction of "It is." Sheesh, this is junior-high-level English.

I usually do not call attention to someone's apparent lack of education, but I'm making an exception in your case because of the arrogant and dismissive polemic that you use while making erroneous claims that prove you don't know what you're talking about.

You have no business starting threads unless they're only asking sincere questions.
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I will attempt to answer this seriously, without descending into the pathetically juvenile silliness that all too often characterizes my self-amusing contributions.  :D :D :D

I recalled this same discussion from the Ed Forum in 2018. Fred Litwin had listed the usual LN staples, and I added:

To [Fred's] list, I would add:

OSWALD'S GAME - Jean Davison
MARINA AND LEE - Priscilla Johnson McMillan
OSWALD'S TALE - Norman Mailer
OSWALD: RUSSIAN EPISODE - Ernst Titovets
LEGEND - Edward Jay Epstein

Yes, yes, I know, the first three at least are staples of the Lone Nut community.  (Epstein's work, of course, is approximately 180 degrees removed from the currently prevailing Deep Politics theories, which is why he is dismissed as either a CIA dupe or disinformation agent.)  I believe it is CRITICAL, before bogging down in minutiae and theories, to gain as much of an understanding as possible of WHO LEE HARVEY OSWALD REALLY WAS.  I would've saved myself a lot of time and money if I had taken that approach.


I still strongly agree with this. The biggest mistake anyone can make, in my opinion, is to dive into the conspiracy literature. You'll end up cross-eyed and confused, quite possibly beyond all redemption. I started with Best Evidence and High Treason, for God's sake. How I escaped, I'm still not entirely sure.

I would also strongly suggest that a newcomer spend some time in the psychological and sociological literature regarding the conspiracy-prone mindset. You might even recognize yourself, as I did! At a minimum, you will have a much better perspective when you dive into the conspiracy literature.

Readers Digest assigned author, Henry Hurt, according to a March, 1977 letter to President Carter by Billy Joe Lord, was pressuring Lord to cooperate with Readers Digest and author Hurt. The letter to Carter describe's Hurts advisor on how to threaten Lord's continued employment by Jim Allison, George Bush's friend and former congressional office staffer, a Midland newspaper publisher. The description matches Bush's closest friend, dating back to childhood summers in Maine, Fitzgerald "Gerry" Bemiss.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_China_Diary_of_George_H_W_Bush/jRvdwoKQOgQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=china+bemis+devine&pg=PA311&printsec=frontcover


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1989/08/15/bed-breakfast-a-la-bush/28b369d3-ff93-4bd4-9759-a220c45978f5/
BED BREAKFAST A LA BUSH
Aug 15, 1989 — ... W. Moseley, and childhood friend FitzGerald Bemiss -- to name a few. ... The Bushes invited Pettis and her husband, Ben Roberson, to stay with ... Bush's family has been spending summers at Kennebunkport since the ...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2006/09/bushes200609
43+41=84 |
Jun 4, 2008 — Is he George H. W. Bush or George W. Bush? ... From Washington to Houston to Kennebunkport and back, shaky second- and thirdhand ... When I ask FitzGerald Bemiss, one of 41's oldest friends from childhood summers in ...

Henry Hurt had a job teaching school in the town Bush and Bemiss summered in, all of their lives,
Kennebunkport. Hurt was about to marry Bemiss's cousin.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne-meade-williams

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langbourne_Meade_Williams_Jr.
Langbourne Meade Williams Jr. (February 5, 1903 – September 8, 1994) was an American ... "He became president of Freeport-Texas with John Hay Whitney as chairman three years later. He then served as chairman from 1958 until 1967."





https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963#relPageId=175


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AI Overview    +12                    The properties associated with businessman FitzGerald Bemiss and the Virginia Sky-Line Company are the historic lodges located along Skyline Drive in Shenandoah National Park.The Virginia Sky-Line Company, operated by Bemiss beginning in the 1950s, holds the concession for the park's iconic overnight properties:

From Billy Joe Lord's March, 1977 letter to recently sworn-in, President Carter :

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963#relPageId=270


See:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1439

What Henry Hurt does not tell Billy Joe Lord is that Bemiss is Hurt's wife's cousin or that her father, Hurt's father-in-law, is the brother of Freeport Sulphur Chairman, Langbourne Williams. Langbourne and Bemiss have the same grandfather.

Henry Hurt, by the time he published "Reasonable Doubt", had twenty years of advancement of research and new disclosures that Sylvia Meagher had no knowledge of in 1967.
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Did "The Deep State" kill JFK, or was it the "Administrative State"?

They're the same thing, right, self-described Leninist Steve Bannon?

(LOL)

Wouldn't it be ironic if self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK for the same folks who made Trump our "president" in 2017, the world-class humanitarian organization known as the KGB (today's SVR and FSB)?

Could it be that the KGB, the Russian Mafia, and Putin's Oligarchs are the true "Deep State"?
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At the time the medical team looked at the wound, it was not known that the bullet had first hit JFK and yawed upon exiting.
A bit circular.  I thought you were arguing that the bullet was yawing because of what the doctors saw, not what they may have gathered from talking to others.   In any event, the concept that the torso was "nearly parallel with the flight of the bullet" must be based on the direction of the bullet not its orientation when it entered.
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We know that the bullet did not come from the west end of the TSBD. If the doctors were correct, that would mean that JBC was not hit at z225.  It was not until about z250 that his torso was aligned so that a shot from the SN would have struck him with his torso nearly parallel to the flight of the bullet.

The doctors were just going by the wounds and path of the bullet through the body they observed and the fact that the wrist was turned back facing the bullet.  That appears to be the basis for their agreement that the torso was turned right and was "nearly parallel with the flight of the bullet".

At the time the medical team looked at the wound, it was not known that the bullet had first hit JFK and yawed upon exiting. That wasn't known even by January when they were interviewed. The SBT had not yet been formulated. It is understandable that they would think the bullet made a tangential entry since that would be the more common reason for such an elongated wound.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:55:26 PM »
John Lattimer's "bulging jacket tests": https://dn710700.ca.archive.org/0/items/nsia-LattimerJohnKDr/nsia-LattimerJohnKDr/Lattimer%20John%20K%20Dr%20109.pdf



And equally important test #2. If the bullet going through Connally was NOT tumbling when it hit him it wouldn't create a jacket bulge. This is because the resulting wound would have been smaller; there would less fragmentation of the ribs that contributed to the bulging. The bulging was not caused solely by the bullet exiting the chest; it was the bullet and the rib fragments exiting Connally's chest that caused it.



One thing I am curious about is what if any lag time there would be between the bullet passing through the jacket and the jacket bulging. Was Lattimer able to determine that. The reason I ask because in other super slow motion footage I've seen of a bullet passing through an object, the bullet exits and the debris it disperses follows behind the bullet. That kind of footage shows thousands of frames per second as opposed to 18 fps, but I think there still might be a lag time of a few frames.
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Connally's medical team would not have been aware of the fact that the bullet that struck JBC in the back had first passed through JFK and yawed upon exit. That produced an elongated entry wound that the medical team could have easily misinterpreted as a tangential strike which would produce such an elongated wound. The problem with that explanation is such a wound would have to have been fired from a near perpendicular angle to limo, which would mean a shot from the west end of the TSBD.
We know that the bullet did not come from the west end of the TSBD. If the doctors were correct, that would mean that JBC was not hit at z225.  It was not until about z250 that his torso was aligned so that a shot from the SN would have struck him with his torso nearly parallel to the flight of the bullet.

The doctors were just going by the wounds and path of the bullet through the body they observed and the fact that the wrist was turned back facing the bullet.  That appears to be the basis for their agreement that the torso was turned right and was "nearly parallel with the flight of the bullet". 
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Your frequent message formatting errors, grammatical errors, and punctuation errors suggest you're in no position to be deciding who is a scholar and who is not, much less to be making sweeping pronouncements about JFKA evidence and research.

There's one person I know is not a scholar and that would be the person I am responding to.

If I wanted to get into a pissing contest with you, I could point out your grammatical errors as well but pointing out your logical errors already consumes too much of my time.
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As for your comment about motive, ask any prosecutor and they'll tell you that in a complex or strongly contested case, establishing motive is very important for the prosecution--both in identifying a suspect in the first place and in persuading a jury of guilt in a trial.

Ask any detective about motive, and they'll tell you that one of the main things they seek to establish is whether the suspect had a motive.  If they've identified two possible suspects and one suspect had no motive and the other suspect did have a motive, they will see the latter person as the more likely suspect, all other things being relatively equal.

It can be important, especially in proving premeditation, but it is not necessary. It is only necessary to prove the accused committed the act. If proving a motive was a requirement, I could walk down a busy sidewalk in an urban area and randomly shoot and kill some poor schmuck in front of 20 witnesses and if the prosecutors couldn't prove why I did it, I would beat the rap. Do you honestly think that would be the case?

We don't have to prove why Oswald did it to prove that he did do it.
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I had to giggle when I read your first sentence (which you failed to punctuate correctly, but anyway. . . .):

All you do when you point out things like this reveal your pettiness.
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LOL! Yeah, gee, why should they be objective?! Humm, maybe because being objective is a key principle of critical thinking? Maybe because being objective is a hallmark of credibility, education, and an open mind?

Objectivity is something you should go into a case with. It is not something you should maintain at the end of the process. When a jury returns a guilty verdict, they have ceased to be objective. They have determined to their satisfaction that the accused is guilty of the crime with which they are accused. It would be pretty silly to still be objective about the JFKA 62 1/2 years after it was committed. Are you honestly going to tell us you are objective about the case?
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Perhaps you should change your forum name to John "I Don't Need No Stinkin' Objectivity" Corbett.

I don't need to change my forum name. I'll gladly say I don't need any objectivity. I figured out a long time ago Oswald was the assassin. You seem to be stuck in neutral.
I won't even bother to point out the double negative you just used.
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Huh, in reading the description of the book on Amazon, I find myself thinking I might just read it. It sounds like an interesting book, assuming he did in fact write it. I heard years ago that he'd written a book but never gave it a second thought.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Yesterday at 10:32:56 PM »
John Lattimer's "bulging jacket tests": https://dn710700.ca.archive.org/0/items/nsia-LattimerJohnKDr/nsia-LattimerJohnKDr/Lattimer%20John%20K%20Dr%20109.pdf



And equally important test #2. If the bullet going through Connally was NOT tumbling when it hit him it wouldn't create a jacket bulge. This is because the resulting wound would have been smaller; there would less fragmentation of the ribs that contributed to the bulging. The bulging was not caused solely by the bullet exiting the chest; it was the bullet and the rib fragments exiting Connally's chest that caused it.

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I see.  So that means we can say that the WC did not find the SBT was correct or necessary to their LN conclusion or that any shot missed:



I can agree with that!

One of the few things I disagree with the WCR about. They put that in due to the Commission members who refused to accept the TSBD, which is their fault. The SBT is what happened and the staff lawyers who did the bulk of the investigating knew it.
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