JFK Assassination Forum

What kind of professional photographer would turn over a picture and not keep the negative or at least a copy of the photo.

It appears to me that you're misreading his WC testimony. He had worked for Hardy's in Austin as assistant manager since September of 1961. They transferred him to the store on Jefferson as manager in August of 1962. He was made manager of the downtown store just a day or so before his WC testimony. The address of the downtown store was 1213 Commerce Street (or so AI says).

Fans of turning the Tippit murder into the single most complex event since WWII will want to follow Greg Doudna's "work" (to use the term loosely) at the Ed Forum, where Tippit was killed by a professional hitman (i.e., Larry Crafard), Oswald was more innocent than you or I, and ... or never mind, you can read it for yourself. The fact that people actually think like this, and that seemingly sane people like Tom Gram agree with them, is W-A-Y more interesting than the "work" itself, which I admittedly have only skimmed. It all appears to boil down to propinquity, as it should.

The "game" - which is very obvious and would be kind of fun if people simply approached it as a creative thought experiment - is to (1) take every possible outlier, everything that could possibly be interpreted as inconsistent with the accepted Tippit narrative, and then (2) weave a scenario out of nothing but the outliers and raw speculation, regardless of how elaborately Rube Goldberg-like the scenario becomes.

There is a faction of the CTs who are determined to find Oswald innocent of both murders he committed that day and will cook up any excuse imaginable to dismiss any and all evidence of his guilt. The more sensible CTs (oxymoron?) at least acknowledge his guilt even though they believe he had accomplices.

The obvious answer is that Connally's wrist was hit after Z272. By that time, being in shock and intense pain from the Z236 hit, Connally would not have even noticed the hit on his wrist.

Obvious to whom? People with poor eyesight?

It has always been self-evident that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets before Z313. JFK begins to react to his first wound around Z200, and Jackie starts to notice and react to JFK's reaction starting in Z202. By Z224, Jackie is staring intently at JFK, and JFK is clearly starting to bring his left hand up toward this throat, so obviously he was hit long before Z224.

Total BS. JFK's right hand was still moving downward from Z224-225. It was only at Z226 that both his arm started upward. That is the same frame that JBC's right arm suddenly flipped upward, Coincidence? I think not.

I don't know what you see that tells you JFK started reacting at Z202. Prior to Z202 JFK had been calmly waving to the few remaining spectators and was starting to lower his right hand. By Z202 he was starting to disappear behind the sign and he continued that downward movement until he was completely hidden. He first reappears at Z224 when we see his right hand and the left side of his torso at Z224. At Z225, he comes fully into view and if you compare the position of his right hand between Z224 and Z225, it is still moving down. It is necessary to magnify those frames in order to see it, but his right hand was still moving downward. Also at Z225, JFK's mouth is open, possibly a reaction to the bullet that passed through his upper torso a few frames earlier.

Another bullet hits JFK just after he emerges from behind the freeway sign because his torso is visibly jolted sharply forward, and the position of his hands and elbows--particularly his elbows--changes dramatically, as they are flung upward and forward. The force and speed of these movements are quite startling when one compares Z226, where they are first discernible, to frame 232 just 1/3-second later.

Nonsense. JFK was not jolted forward. That's his reaction to the bullet passing through his throat. It's amazing how you think JFK was hit twice in the space of a few seconds, JBC hit a few seconds later, then JFK hit in the head a few more seconds later. That's four shots into the limo but only two bullets were ever recovered. One in the limo and one at Parkland. How do you explain that?

Although the WC, and to a great extent the HSCA, ignored these movements, they are among the most dramatic and visible wounding events in the entire Zapruder film. WC apologists ignore this reaction because they realize it destroys the single-bullet theory in one fell swoop.

How can someone ignore something that exists only in your imagination.

Your material hasn't improved one iota from when you were posting it on the old Prodigy service back in 1991. I wish I had a way back machine that could retrieve that. To the best of my knowledge, Prodigy is no more and with it any archive they might have kept. To be fair, I'm sure some of the things I posted back then would seem humorous to me today as well. In 1991, I was a newbie to both the internet and the JFKA. I've learned a lot about both in the past 35 years. You seem to be stuck in neutral.

The obvious answer is that Connally's wrist was hit after Z272. By that time, being in shock and intense pain from the Z236 hit, Connally would not have even noticed the hit on his wrist.

It has always been self-evident that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets before Z313. JFK begins to react to his first wound around Z200, and Jackie starts to notice and react to JFK's reaction starting in Z202. By Z224, Jackie is staring intently at JFK, and JFK is clearly starting to bring his left hand up toward this throat, so obviously he was hit long before Z224.

Another bullet hits JFK just after he emerges from behind the freeway sign because his torso is visibly jolted sharply forward, and the position of his hands and elbows--particularly his elbows--changes dramatically, as they are flung upward and forward. The force and speed of these movements are quite startling when one compares Z226, where they are first discernible, to frame 232 just 1/3-second later.

Although the WC, and to a great extent the HSCA, ignored these movements, they are among the most dramatic and visible wounding events in the entire Zapruder film. WC apologists ignore this reaction because they realize it destroys the single-bullet theory in one fell swoop.

I was responding to your comment about the first shot.  It is understandable that no one was focused on JBC as they would be focused on JFK.  That may be why there are at least 22 witnesses who recalled how JFK reacted to it.  (One might wonder how they could all be so wrong -all in the same way - in recalling his reaction to it).

But for the second shot a few people were watching JBC.  Nellie turned to look at her husband at the time of the second shot.  She said he recoiled and she reached out and pulled him down onto her.  Gayle Newman said the second shot occurred as the car was passing right in front of her. You can see them standing down by the lamp post in Willis 5:


So Gayle Newman just reported what she saw when the second shot sounded: JBC was turned sideways and lay back on his seat.  Dave Powers recalled that JFK moved to the left after the first shot so he was able to see JBC.  He said that when the second shot sounded JBC just disappeared.
No.  But I do consider them.  I look to see how their recollections fit with what others recalled.  If there are significant similarities I look to see if they are independent and I see how they fit with the rest of the evidence.  Unlike some, I don’t reject them because they don’t fit with what I have already concluded happened.
A needle doesn’t destroy nerve endings. All I can say is that very often people do not feel bullets. I posted an example earlier. Google it yourself: “ do people always feel bullets when shot?”
I just go by what he said.  He said he never felt any pain until he tried to get out of the car at Parklabd.
It didn’t chip the concrete.There was just a smear that was analysed and contained lead and antimony. No concrete was missing. Shaneyfelt Ex. 26:

I would agree that makes no sense.  But 300 fps is not exactly slow. It is about 200 mph.

You keep saying things that don't make sense. If everybody was focused on the Kennedys before the shots and the first shot struck JFK as you believe, why would anyone shift their focus to JBC after seeing JFK reacting to being shot. What kind of sense does that make.