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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 05:16:18 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:41:34 PM
So you agree that Mueller didn't prove a crime by the Trump campaign. We are making progress.

The fact remains that Vladimir Putin, the "former" KGB counterintelligence officer who murdered 307 of his own citizens in the 1999 Russian Apartment Bombings so that he could reinvade Chechnya and become president, began to interfere in our 2016 election in 2014, and went to great lengths during the following two years to do so. The Trump Campaign at the very least welcomed his help, and some of its associates, like Roger Stone and his newfound pro-Russia buddy, Harley Schlanger, evidently conspired with the Russians to get it done.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 03:58:59 AM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 02:06:09 AM
Royell is part of the old guard and has been studying this case for many decades and since he and his clan have not found even a sliver of evidence for conspiracy, they are now reduced to making outlandish claims on whatever morsel they can find.

But here, at the end of the day, having an "imposter" officer parading around nearly five minutes later while wearing a helmet which sticks out like dogs proverbials goes where exactly?
What narrative actually fits an easy to find "imposter" suddenly turning up and taking off a glove and still walking around five minutes later? It's absurd!

JohnM

    The above presents absolutely nothing to refute what I have proven. It is physically impossible for both Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34 PM. We are Not seeing Motorcycle Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film.
    The above claims this impostor was, "easy to find". If this were the case, why am I the only person to Ever discover that this charlatan was masquerading as a DPD Motorcycle Officer?
     Regarding a narrative that fits this impostor, it's "crowd control". If you notice, the impostor paralleled Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig. He steadily stayed between them and the string of train cars. We can Not see inside those train cars. The train car windows do not permit seeing inside the passenger train cars from the outside. Do we know specifically what was inside each of those train cars following the kill shot? Have any of you seen any images of the inside of those train cars after the kill shot? I haven't. I also have Not seen any images of the other side of this string of train cars either. And, the top of those passenger train cars is a very high ground position relative to Elm St. And, Zapruder and Bill Newman reported shot(s) being fired from behind them. The string of passenger train cars were behind Zapruder and Bill Newman. A possible high ground firing position from inside the railroad yard was posed by Josiah Thompson when he interviewed Sitzman in 1966.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 03:34:35 AM »
JM-

Thanks for your comments.

I am out for a couple days, will respond soon.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 03:33:17 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 03:09:13 PM
JC-

My layman's take:

This is an image of JBC at Z-222 (see link below), JBC is sitting straight and upright, looks uninjured to me. You can see Jackie K. is looking with concern towards JFK. The President has already been shot. But JBC looks unharmed.

JBC may, or may not look alarmed (your call good as any) in the next few frames, but at this point he has heard the gunshot. I think he looks alarmed, startled, has sense of an impact behind him.



OK, here we have the left profile of JBC's face (see link below), as he had turned around to look for JFK, after hearing the gunshot. That is what he testified. No sign of blood on JBC. This about 2.8 seconds after JFK has been shot.

JBC never testified to having been spun around by the shot that struck him. He testified that under his own power he turned around.



~Z-295 this is where I think JBC is shot. Hard to tell, as his torso is below the door, out of view.



Here JBC looks possibly to be pain:



More pain:



JBC is registering pain at Z-305, but that is 4.6 seconds after JFK was struck at Z-222.

JFK registered pain almost immediately during-after Z-222, as seen by Jackie K's reaction. Granted, not all people are alike...but seems like stretch that JBC would have such a delayed reaction.

If you read through Dr Shaw's WC and HSCA testimonies, you will see he is skeptical that one shot struck both JBC and JFK, and also wonders aloud where the shot that struck JBC's wrist came from.

Anyways, that my view.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

I appreciate you backing up your thoughts with visuals but I'm not sure if you're aware that if you highlight your link and click on the image icon, you can have your image appear in your post.
Now you may have known this already and are just making your posts a little smaller and if so, kindly disregard this post! Thumb1:

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 03:23:55 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:30:14 AM
JC-

Thanks for your comments.

Even if we ignore Jackie K's reaction, we see JFK at Z-226, obviously struck:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z226.jpg

JBC is sitting bolt upright at Z-226. JBC's testimony is the shot that struck him in his back pushed him forward.

I will run with JBC's version of what happened to himself on this one. Witnesses can be in error, we all know that.

But JBC remembering receiving a blow in the back and getting pushed forward...that seems basic.

Hard to tell when JBC was struck, and the exact orientation of his torso. I concede all of that, which is why i say about Z-295. Might be later. The second gunsel was perhaps not in the TSBD.

JBC getting struck ~z-295 also lines up with many witnesses who heard a "bang.....bang-bang" cadence.

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We are on different pages on this one, but that happens in JFKA discussions.

I respect your views, I just disagree.

Hi Ben, when all the individual facts are analysed, the SBF(Single Bullet Fact) is the only possible conclusion.

Dr Gregory said the wound was a linear wound and by his size description the bullet entry had to have hit at either a more obtuse angle or a tumbling bullet and since we know the bullets path through Connally this effectively rules out an obtuse angle.



Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.

And as the WC investigated, a full on bullet smashes, Connally's wrist wound was only a fracture therefore caused by a slower moving bullet.





Dr Gregory again describes a chaotically moving bullet.

Mr. SPECTER - Dr. Gregory, what was then the relative size of the wounds on the back and front side of the wrist itself?
Dr. GREGORY - As I recall them, the wound dimensions would be so far as the wound on the back of the wrist is concerned about a haft a centimeter by two and a half centimeters in length. It was rather linear in nature. The upper end of it having apparently lost some tissue was gapping more than the lower portion of it.

Dr Lattimer did a lot of practical experiments, in the following image Lattimer reproduced Kennedy's neck with a suitable substitute, and the resulting trajectory in the distance between Kennedy and Connally was a tumbling bullet, which as seen in nearly all cases caused a "linear" wound, the same type of wound as seen by Gregory on Connally. This evidence alone is powerful incontrovertible evidence but there is much more evidence, much more!



For a change, here's the Zapruder film reversed and it's easy to see Connally and Kennedy are both reacting simultaneously.



As Connally emerges from behind the sign his jacket billows as CE399 and the expulsion of matter passes through and his right shoulder thrusts forward as his left shoulder violently raises.



At the same split second both Connally and Kennedy react simultaneously



Connally's hat flip and look of immense pain happen before Z230.



JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:30:14 AM »
JC-

Thanks for your comments.

Even if we ignore Jackie K's reaction, we see JFK at Z-226, obviously struck:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z226.jpg

JBC is sitting bolt upright at Z-226. JBC's testimony is the shot that struck him in his back pushed him forward.

I will run with JBC's version of what happened to himself on this one. Witnesses can be in error, we all know that.

But JBC remembering receiving a blow in the back and getting pushed forward...that seems basic.

Hard to tell when JBC was struck, and the exact orientation of his torso. I concede all of that, which is why i say about Z-295. Might be later. The second gunsel was perhaps not in the TSBD.

JBC getting struck ~z-295 also lines up with many witnesses who heard a "bang.....bang-bang" cadence.

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We are on different pages on this one, but that happens in JFKA discussions.

I respect your views, I just disagree.



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 02:06:09 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 08:39:31 PM
Either an impostor or another cop whose name you don't know. I know which one I am betting on.

Royell is part of the old guard and has been studying this case for many decades and since he and his clan have not found even a sliver of evidence for conspiracy, they are now reduced to making outlandish claims on whatever morsel they can find.

But here, at the end of the day, having an "imposter" officer parading around nearly five minutes later while wearing a helmet which sticks out like dogs proverbials goes where exactly?
What narrative actually fits an easy to find "imposter" suddenly turning up and taking off a glove and still walking around five minutes later? It's absurd!

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 01:28:48 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 02:09:10 PM
   Not only is Witt's HSCA testimony contrary to the JFK Assassination images of Umbrella Man, if you watch Witt's HSCA testimony, he handles what looks to be a heavy water pitcher. He does this with his (L) hand. As we see above, Umbrella Man is pumping his umbrella with his (R) hand. It would have been interesting to see Witt sign his HSCA Testimony. Atticus Finch would have been all over this.

Did you even watch the entire video or will you just take a tiny slice out of context??


Louie Steven Witt throughout the entire video gestures with his right hand. And the majority of the time fidgets with his glasses while simultaneously gesturing using his right hand.



As for the water pitcher, take careful note of the position of Witt, he's centered on the sizable microphone and also observe the location of the water pitcher on Witt's left.



And as is plain to see, the ergonomics of reaching across himself through the centralized microphone would be incredibly awkward so Witt naturally pours himself a glass of water with his left hand, a simple act of co-ordination that he no doubt mastered since being a child.



BTW it's ironic that you'd allude to a fictional defence attorney, perhaps next time you'd be better off seeking assistance from a "Vincent Bugliosi" who would look at the entirety of a man's behaviour and would not attempt to build an entire case from a singular explainable action.

JohnM



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:39:23 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 09:36:39 PM
   "Another cop"? When we 1st see him on the Darnell Film, he is deep inside the railroad yard, WALKING along the string of passenger train cars. When we last see him, he is leaving the railroad yard and WALKING toward/down the Elm St Ext. If this guy is really "another cop", where is his 2 Wheel Motorcycle? This "No Glove Cop"was Never attached to a 2 Wheel motorcycle. He is an impostor and heading toward the TSBD.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe someday it will come true. Don't forget to tap your ruby slippers together.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 09:46:45 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on March 13, 2024, 04:22:03 PM
I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson

 :D :D



   12:38 PM + No Glove + No 2 Wheel Motorcycle = NOT Motorcycle Officer Haygood. He is an impostor and heading directly toward the TSBD.
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