JFK Assassination Forum

If it’s fact that a whole bullet went thru JC’s right hand shattering his wrist bone and exited from the bottom of his palm, then a Z270 bullet exiting the right side of his chest and going thru his right hand has maybe about 1.5 ft? to travel to hit JC’s left inner thigh IF his left leg was turned right just as his right leg probably was.

What I’m suggesting is that maybe a Z190 shot exiting JFK missed JC entirely not even hitting his thigh because both his legs were turned right. Thus the rotated shoulder position at Z190 as per Andrew’s 3d figure drawing would be a much less strenuous on the torso.

And if that is plausible, then at Z270, JC’s left leg turned right also, would theoretically be in line of the Z270 bullet skewing thru JCs chest, and exiting and then it goes thru the right hand which was UP and NEXT to his chest with the palm rotated facing outwards as he held that hat upside down.

There would no end over end spinning of the bullet entering JCs wrist because his hand is  against his chest or very close to it  at Z270. Then it’s a question if it can be aligned to hit JCs left thigh if there was some more deflection cause by the wrist bone.

So a revised LN scenario is as follows:

1. Z190 bullet went  thru JFK, exited , and missed JC entirely because he had both his legs turned right.  The bullet went into the middle lower front seat cushion and springs at 1500ft/sec, was slowed down enough to either stop there or continued thru and stopped in the lower dashboard. That bullet was not found.

2. Z270 bullet goes thru JCs chest, then immediately thru his right hand as it was up and next to his chest. The bullet then exited and defected (or not) and hit  JCs left thigh at the reduced velocity. The bullet fell out then latter on the stretcher as in the conventional WC theory.

I've known about the X-factor for years. I believe Jim McLain was the one who first talked about it back in the 1980s. Hideki Matsuyama is a well-conditioned professional athlete and most pro golfers spend hours in the fitness trailer working on their flexibility to allow them to move their bodies in ways the human body wasn't evolved to doing. Even at that Matsuyama's hips are not stationary. They have turned. Just not as much as the shoulders. My comment had to do with the relation of the shoulders to the torso, not the hips.  As your photo shows, Matsuyama's shoulders and torso have turned as a unit.

I just got done watching the PGA championship. Unbelievable performance by Aaron Rai. Throughout the weekend, CBS used technology to measure the shoulder and hip turns of various golfers and how they compared to the Tour average. It was interesting but not of much use to me. If I tried to make that big a turn, I would end up in traction.

As they used to say when I was an avid runner, "If you want to be an elite runner, choose your parents carefully." At the elite level of all sports, genetics is the one factor that can't be overcome. My father and half-brother were both professional golfers (not tour players) and I worked at PING, but I was never better than "sometimes I break 80" due largely to vision and back problems. There are sooooo many players who are "really good" or even "really, really good" but just do not have what it takes to play at the elite level - something that's difficult to admit to yourself. I used to stand in front of a mirror and try to contort myself into Ben Hogan's positions in his Power Golf-era swing before the bus accident. Not swinging, just standing there. I couldn't come close. When Tiger Woods was tested at the Stanford athletic department, he was off the scale in comparison to other athletes, not just golfers. Most modern instruction is for 20-year-olds and irrelevant (or harmful) for the rest of us.

Butch Harmon once said "Give me 100 six-year-olds who have never seen a golf club. I will tell you at the end of a week which of them, if any, has the potential to play tour-level golf." I also had a funny experience when I was 14. I visited my grandmother, who was a member of Kansas City Country Club. I played the course twice, thought it was harder than hell, and probably shot 97 or higher; I remember I ran out of balls the first round. Looking at the handicap sheet in the locker room, one guy had posted consistently 67-67-67-64-65 and was a +3 handicap. I asked "What's a +3 handicap?" (having no idea there even was such a thing as + handicap). The pro, Stan Thirsk, said "Oh, that means he averages several strokes under par - and the funny thing is, he's exactly the same age as you." Tom Watson. Genetics.

I always had a dream that technology would create some sort of plastic shell I could step into that would duplicate Tiger Woods' swing so I could experience what it felt like for five balls. Even those of us who worked at PING and saw pros every day agreed that it all seemed almost magical when a long-hitting pro took a swing that looked not much different from ours but the results looked jaw-droppingly different (and this was in the persimmon driver, balata ball era).

Not quite, the WC not only allowed for only two shots they also postulated one of the shells was ejected before the shooting.  CE 543 shows no signs of having been fired during the assassination. Maybe that is the one they referred to. Three shells does not automatically mean three shots.

Yes, the WC did recognize the possibility Oswald started with an empty shell in the chamber but as I already said, that seems far-fetched. JBC insisted until the day he died he was not hit by the first shot but was hit by the second shot. If true and there were only two shots, which shot hit JFK in the head?

With all these three shot witnesses , which witness actually stated the first shot missed. The one certainty  it was not JBC.

The Zapruder film clearly shows JFK and JBC reacted at the same instant when both flipped their arms upward at Z226. That is the strongest evidence that the SBT was correct. If both were hit by the same shot and JBC heard a shot before the one that struck him, it stands to reason that the first shot missed.

JBC stated he did not hear the shot that hit him, but he also said he cried out Oh No No No after he was struck. Both Nellie and Jackie stated that was after the first shot. Nellie added before the second shot. Jackie stated there were only the two shots.

Neither of the wives gave accounts that were compatible with the body of evidence. I'll give them a pass for getting it wrong under the circumstances.

Ultimately, where is the eyewitness to JFK not reacting to the first shot.

The best witness we have. The Z-film.

Nellie is definite the first shot struck JFK not just vanished into thin air. She also referenced JBC's own words as to when he was struck by the first shot. AS did Jackie.

They were both clearly wrong.

 Mrs. CONNALLY. In fact the receptions had been. so good every place that I had showed much restraint by not mentioning something about it before.
I could resist no longer. When we got past this area I did turn to the President and said, "Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you."
Then I don't know how soon, it seems to me it was very soon, that I heard a noise, and not being an expert rifleman, I was not aware that it was a rifle. It was just a frightening noise, and it came from the right.
I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the President as he had both hands at his neck.
Mr. SPECTER. And you are indicating with your own hands, two hands crossing over gripping your own neck?
Mrs. CONNALLY. Yes; and it seemed to me there was--he made no utterance, no cry. I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face, and he just sort of slumped down.
Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then there was a second shot, and it hit John, on there was the second shot that hit John.

Any theory that rests solely on the recollection of human witnesses is suspect from the start.

The theory there was an early missed shot is ridiculous. No evidence of one at all.

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There is none so blind as he who will not see.

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A Zapruder clearly states when the first shot took place.

I have far more faith in Zapruder's camera than I do in Zapruder.

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Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.

Here is the best part. A handful of clowns decided to do jiggle analysis a guy who states he only heard two shots. Probably the same group of clowns who invented the early missed shot because there was not other way of rectifying three shots and a 2.3 second cycle time of the carcano. They should have just paid attention to what the eyewitnesses told them.

Why would anyone put their faith in eyewitnesses? It is the most unreliable form of evidence we have. The Innocence Project as gotten hundreds of convictions reverse, most of them convicted primarily on the basis of eyewitnesses who were proven wrong. If I ever serve on a jury again, I would never vote to convict somebody if the best evidence a prosecutor offered was an eyewitness' account.

That is, of course, former Masters champion Hideki Matsuyama. There are reams of golf articles about the extent to which pros turn their shoulders while restricting their hip turn. It's called the X Factor. You're right, there's nothing I don't know.

I've known about the X-factor for years. I believe Jim McLain was the one who first talked about it back in the 1980s. Hideki Matsuyama is a well-conditioned professional athlete and most pro golfers spend hours in the fitness trailer working on their flexibility to allow them to move their bodies in ways the human body wasn't evolved to doing. Even at that Matsuyama's hips are not stationary. They have turned. Just not as much as the shoulders. My comment had to do with the relation of the shoulders to the torso, not the hips.  As your photo shows, Matsuyama's shoulders and torso have turned as a unit.

I just got done watching the PGA championship. Unbelievable performance by Aaron Rai. Throughout the weekend, CBS used technology to measure the shoulder and hip turns of various golfers and how they compared to the Tour average. It was interesting but not of much use to me. If I tried to make that big a turn, I would end up in traction.

   (1) The CAR was NOT FILMED parked alongside the Island by Wiegman!

   (2) The CAR was MOVING down the Elm St Extension as the Kill Shot was being fired!

   (3) The CAR PARKED almost directly across from the "Wide Open" HUGE GATES!

   (4) The CAR PARKED in a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone!

   (5) The CAR was inside this, "NO PARKING At Any Time" Zone, for 3+ Hrs!

   (6) The CAR was NOT ISSUED a Ticket by DPD!

   (7) The CAR was rendered IMMOBILE by DPD!

   ( The CAR was SECURED by a Shotgun carrying DPD Officer!

              I continue researching this intended "getaway" CAR. In addition to the NEW EVIDENCE cited above, I found yet another NEW piece of evidence connected to this "getaway" CAR only a few days ago. I am currently fleshing that out. To this day, this intended "getaway" CAR and the Elm St Extension have been completely IGNORED by the JFK Assassination Research Community. 62+ years after the fact, my discovery of the "Wide Open" HUGE GATES proves there has been a continuous "Dereliction of Duty". This intended "getaway" CAR and the Elm St Extension remain "virgin territory" with respect to the JFK Assassination. 

 

None of the above is evidence of anything except your overly active imagination. People parking in No Parking zones is a rather common occurrence. Sometimes they get ticketed and sometimes they don't. Don't you think after the shots were fired, the cops had something a wee bit more important than writing a parking ticket. I'll take your word for it that the cops rendered the car immobile even though you have offered no such evidence. Even if true, it just indicates the cops were understandably not wanting anybody to leave the scene until they figured out what was going on. They would have no idea whether the car had anything to do with the shooting and until they did, they would naturally not anyone leaving in it. Apparently, they figured out that the car had nothing to do with the shooting and eventually let the driver leave with the car.