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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:16:58 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 01:58:00 PM
Where I believe these little thought exercises are useful is not that we're going to figure out exactly what Oswald was thinking but that they do tend to eliminate some possibilities.

One of the more popular theories is that Oswald was heading to a rendezvous - at Jack Ruby's, at a safe house in Oak Cliff, at the Texas Theater, at the Redbird Airport. To me, it is inconceivable that "a pit stop at Beckley to grab his revolver" would have been part of any such plan. It simply makes no sense. Those who favor rendezvous theories are stuck with this scenario, but it simply makes no sense.

He realized he was a patsy and went home to get his gun for protection: OK. Far-fetched for a host of reasons, but at least not irrational.

He was astounded to find himself outside the TSBD, had no plan at all, his mind was racing, and he went home to get his revolver because it might come in handy for whatever the hell might happen next: Yes, fits pretty well, it seems to me.

The first two paragraphs imply he had accomplices for which the is zero credible evidence. The third paragraph makes perfect sense. It involves no one else.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Today at 04:10:31 PM »
Quote from: Duncan MacRae on Today at 02:54:23 PM
Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane

Lee Edward Bowers Jr. (January 12, 1925 – August 9, 1966)
On August 9, 1966, Lee Edward Bowers Jr. died at age 41 in a single-car accident near Midlothian, Texas, after his car veered off the road. Because of his unique vantage point and testimony, his sudden death fueled numerous JFK assassination conspiracy theories, with allegations that he was purposely "silenced"


Why would anyone "silence" Bowers after giving his testimony? His sequence of the shots Bang......Bang Bang proves Oswald couldn't have fired that fast.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Video: Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 04:02:10 PM »
I can't say I was wildly impressed by this short book, but she is a former officer and did attempt an investigation of the accident:

https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Assassination-Eyewitness-Conspiracy-Bowers/dp/1480803359

This site, with the unpromising name of "Conspiracy Dossiers," has some photos of the supposed crash site, and some reasonably intelligent discussion:

https://conspiracydossiers.com/2024/04/22/lee-bowers/

Yes, he was a fairly important figure in the JFKA. Yes, his one-vehicle accident three years later was odd. Any connection? Highly unlikely.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Video: Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Today at 02:54:23 PM »
Lee Bowers Interview With Mark Lane

Lee Edward Bowers Jr. (January 12, 1925 – August 9, 1966)
On August 9, 1966, Lee Edward Bowers Jr. died at age 41 in a single-car accident near Midlothian, Texas, after his car veered off the road. Because of his unique vantage point and testimony, his sudden death fueled numerous JFK assassination conspiracy theories, with allegations that he was purposely "silenced"

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 01:58:00 PM »
Where I believe these little thought exercises are useful is not that we're going to figure out exactly what Oswald was thinking but that they do tend to eliminate some possibilities.

One of the more popular theories is that Oswald was heading to a rendezvous - at Jack Ruby's, at a safe house in Oak Cliff, at the Texas Theater, at the Redbird Airport. To me, it is inconceivable that "a pit stop at Beckley to grab his revolver" would have been part of any such plan. It simply makes no sense. Those who favor rendezvous theories are stuck with this scenario, but it simply makes no sense.

He realized he was a patsy and went home to get his gun for protection: OK. Far-fetched for a host of reasons, but at least not irrational.

He was astounded to find himself outside the TSBD, had no plan at all, his mind was racing, and he went home to get his revolver because it might come in handy for whatever the hell might happen next: Yes, fits pretty well, it seems to me.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Johnny Brewer & Oswald Arresting Police Officer McDonald
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:58:04 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Today at 02:04:51 AM
I just noticed that in Greg Doudna's version of the Oswald-McDonald encounter, he speculates that the click of the gun was actually McDonald attempting to murder Oswald. But of course!

Now that's just dumb.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 03:05:07 AM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Yesterday at 04:14:55 AM
Oswald’s one fatal mistake was going to Beckley to get his revolver. Had he not been carrying it, he probably could have talked his way out of the encounter with Tippit since he was rooming in the vicinity.

He could have carried it into the TSBD in a lunch sack on the morning of the 21st and had it waiting for him on the 22nd. I’ve seen it suggested at the Ed Forum that he was concerned about being frisked as he exited the TSBD on the 22nd.

I really don’t think that works. He obviously ran the risk of being frisked when he went to Beckley and got it. Indeed, that’s probably why he shot Tippit. Even if that were his thought process, he could have hidden it nearer the TSBD.

Why did he go get it? Without that move, he could’ve been long gone. Without that move, he would’ve had a much greater chance of talking his way out of any police encounter.

The fact that he didn’t have the revolver in the TSBD suggests to me what a truly last-minute, morning-of-the-22nd decision the JFKA was. My guess would be that he was completely surprised to find himself outside the TSBD and that going after the revolver was a panicked, knee-jerk reaction.

It’s hard for me to picture any CT scenario where going to Beckley and getting his revolver would have been part of the plan.

Dear FPR,

Maybe, like a lot of other gun nuts, he just wanted to fondle it while watching "War is Hell" and "Cry of Battle."

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Today at 02:52:00 AM »
Quote from: Marjan Rynkiewicz on Today at 02:23:19 AM
On a hot summer day my big dark echidna flops into the birdbath next to my bathroom.
And i usually need to refill the birdbath if the kangaroos drink from it instead of the frogpond.
Kastrup will find it difficult to explain consciousness, i wouldnt be surprized if no-one ever does (or at least i would be surprized, ie if i woz still around in a thousand years).
I used to think that time woz in the same category as consciousness, ie impossible to explain, but then i realized that time woz a construct (a construct of our consciousness), & that time iz the prezent instant, & that the prezent instant iz universal, in our eternal infinite non-explainable universe.
But i disagree with Kastrup re religion, me myself i profoundly disrespect all godfull religions, but am ok with godless religions.
I wonder what Kastrup might think re my elekticity on a wire, which iz due to elektons (photons) hugging the surface of the Cu wire, whilst the elektons are propagating at the speed of light. Anyhow, he can read my elekticity book in late 2026.

FWIW, Kastrup really isn't religious at all. He has noted the affinity between his views and Buddhism, but that's about all. I actually think idealism can be incorporated into almost any belief system, secular or religious.

Now that I'm off in the ozone: His basic theory is that all of reality is a construct of the master consciousness. Within this construct, we are individual bubbles of consciousness that he calls "alters." Via our senses, we each experience external reality in the same way but also have our internal consciousnesses that are available only to us (and presumably the master consciousness). I happen to have an extremely active and weird dream life, and I think that dreams are a pretty big clue to what a non-material reality might be like.

OK, people, admit it: None of you read Thomas Nagel's "What is it like to be a bat?" This is your last chance - Bernardo Kastrup's Analytic Idealism in a Nutshell: A Straightforward Summary of the 21st Century's Only Plausible Metaphysics, https://www.amazon.com/Analytic-Idealism-Nutshell-straightforward-metaphysics/dp/1803416696. There will be a quiz on Friday.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by David Von Pein on Today at 02:37:58 AM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Yesterday at 04:14:55 AM
Why did Oswald go get his revolver?

While searching my own website/blog for material pertaining to Oswald And His Revolver (and other interesting matters), I came across the two webpages below. (I have found that reading old, long-forgotten-about JFK-related posts and debates can be a very enjoyable and fruitful exercise.) 😀

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1220.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2019/08/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1329.html

Excerpt:


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Marjan Rynkiewicz on Today at 02:23:19 AM »
On a hot summer day my big dark echidna flops into the birdbath next to my bathroom.
And i usually need to refill the birdbath if the kangaroos drink from it instead of the frogpond.
Kastrup will find it difficult to explain consciousness, i wouldnt be surprized if no-one ever does (or at least i would be surprized, ie if i woz still around in a thousand years).
I used to think that time woz in the same category as consciousness, ie impossible to explain, but then i realized that time woz a construct (a construct of our consciousness), & that time iz the prezent instant, & that the prezent instant iz universal, in our eternal infinite non-explainable universe.
But i disagree with Kastrup re religion, me myself i profoundly disrespect all godfull religions, but am ok with godless religions.
I wonder what Kastrup might think re my elekticity on a wire, which iz due to elektons (photons) hugging the surface of the Cu wire, whilst the elektons are propagating at the speed of light. Anyhow, he can read my elekticity book in late 2026.
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