JFK Assassination Forum

I just saw on ebay lots of copies of the 26 volumes being sold with the lowest asking price being $2500. A set signed by 3 of the commissioners was asking $6500. I don't know why anyone would shell out thousands of dollars for something that is available online for free. They are also available on DVDs for reasonable prices. Maybe the sets have some collectible value but with so many in circulation, I doubt they have that much value as collectibles. Of course, if I could find a Carcano the same model as Oswald's, I'd probably be willing to shell out a several hundred dollars for it, so I sort of understand people wanting the original printed volumes.

    "The Z-film lacked sound...."  The WC did NOT watch the Z Film. If you're gonna applaud these boobs, you need to bone up on what they elected to do and Not do. They knew viewing the Z-Film would immediately put them in the Jackpot.

Where the hell did you get that idea. They even included individual frames. See CE888+.

   So the WC came to a conclusion on the assassination of JFK, with 26 VOLUMES of evidence and data Not having been vetted for value or relevance? "Masterful"? More like, "Send In The Clowns".

The WC and their staff lawyers were the ones that vetted it. The evidence came to them in raw form, completely unvetted. The 26 volumes were not intended to provide conclusions. They were a presentation of what the WCR conclusions were based on. When they came across conflicting evidence, they resolved the conflicts where they could and gave reasons why they would accept one eyewitness account and dismiss the conflicting account.  When they couldn't resolve the conflicts, they said so and gave their reasons why they could not reach a definitive conclusion. That's why they never concluded which of Oswald's 3 shots missed. The Z-film lacked sound and the witness accounts were contradictory.

They did a masterful job of confusing us as to which evidence is valid and which evidence is not.

People who are confused about the 26 volumes have confused themselves by not understanding what the 26 volumes are. It was not intended to be the long version of the WCR. The WC simply put everything they had gathered on the table whether or not it was probative or relevant. It was the job of the WC to go through it and make sense of it. In some cases they had to resolve conflicting evidence, mainly among the witness statements. The witnesses often gave testimony that conflicted with other witnesses and with the hard evidence. The WC was tasked with determining which parts of the eyewitness accounts were probative and which parts were just plain wrong. In the end, their conclusions for the most part were spot on.

Yes it does seem ludicrous which is why it’s on Andrew and not us, to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot , beyond just his drawings and words which is why I suggested that it would take an experiment to overcome the many logically deduced criticisms that you and I and others have posted in this thread.

I've gone around and around with him pointing out the flaws in his theory but he still clings to it. It seems absurd on the face of it and gets even more ridiculous the deeper you dive into it. He has an infatuation with certain eye and ear witnesses as if they are empirical evidence of what happened rather than looking at the much more reliable hard evidence available. The Z-film is a better witness than all the human witnesses combined. It has told us within a few 18ths of a second when the second and third shots struck JFK. The evidence for when the first missed shot was fired is a little less definitive but I believe there are very strong clues for that although not everyone agrees with my assessment. Combining the Z-film with the recovery of the bullets, the shells, the rifle, the rifle bag, fiber evidence on the rifle and the bag, finger and palm prints prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and seriously wounded JBC. Andrew chooses to ignore the solid evidence of the SBT and invent his own lone gunman scenario which makes absolutely no sense. I'm done pointing out the flaws in his scenario. He continues to believe he has discovered something that armies of researchers, both LN and CT, missed. He is a cult of one and it is going to remain that way. In 35 years of debating the assassination online, I've never come across anyone who believes a scenario even similar to his. I will confess that when I was a newbie to the discussion way back in 1991, I tried to come up with a similar lone gunman scenario that didn't involve the SBT. I think I had JFK hit sometime in the Z180s, JBC in the Z230s, and of course the Z313 headshot. Finally, I had to give way to common sense and admit to myself that there were way to many flaws in what I had pieced together to continue believing it. I realized the SBT is the lynchpin of the lone gunman theory. Without it, there had to be two shooters. However, we don't have to do without it. The SBT has stood the test of time and all efforts to tear it down.

I doubt Andrew will ever let go of his theory. If he was going to do so, he would have done so by now. I first came across it on John McAdams' forum way back in 2008 and I don't know how long he had been pushing it then. Nobody was buying it back then and nobody is buying it now, but he keeps on trying to sell it without success.