JFK Assassination Forum

I suggest you are seeing what you want to see. JBC's shoulder rotation in your photo looks about 30 degrees to me. Your drawing shows a turn that is well past 45 degrees. If the shoulders in the forward facing position are at the 9:00 position and the perpendicular position to that is 12:00, I would put JBC's rotation in the photo at 10:00 and 11:00 in your drawing. That's a 30 degree difference

??  The angle of the sightline to Zapruder is a tad more than 30 degrees as I showed in my map of DP. Connally is turned well past that sightline so it is definitely more than 30 degrees.  If you think that is wrong, then you should do your own measurement on a scale drawing of DP.  I used the drawing in the inside cover of Trask's book: Pictures of the Pain.  It is also what I built my 3D sketchup model of DP on. 

You made your reply before I added the actual Z193 frame to my original post but we now have that for comparison as well.

I appreciate the fair critique of my Sketchup 3D skills.  Jerry Organ does a much better job. 

But the position of the shoulder is really not that important.  It is the position of the lower and middle back that matters because the bullet is travelling on a downward slope of 18 degrees relative to the car at that point and just passes over the back of the jump seat:

I see virtually no difference between the position of the shoulders and the lower back. Both would have blocked a bullet exiting JFK's throat from going directly to the thigh.

So it would have to pass by the middle/lower back, not the shoulder or upper back, in order to strike the thigh directly.  But I do appreciate that you think the trajectory intersecting with the left side of JBC is possible.

It only looks possible in your exaggerated drawing, not in the photo of JBC's simulated position and not in the actual Z-frame.

 

It all depends on how much JBC is turned in z193.  I suggest he is turned to past the sightline to Zapruder which is 30 degrees or a 1 o'clock position but it is difficult to be exact because of the poor resolution.  It is at least a 1:30/45 degree turn.

I suggest you are seeing what you want to see. JBC's shoulder rotation in your photo looks about 30 degrees to me. Your drawing shows a turn that is well past 45 degrees. If the shoulders in the forward facing position are at the 9:00 position and the perpendicular position to that is 12:00, I would put JBC's rotation in the photo at 10:00 and 11:00 in your drawing. That's a 30 degree difference

   Of course you do Not know where I am going. Your JFK Assassination Foundation is weak. You make this obvious everyday.

Anyone who dreams up absurd theories based on the flimsiest of evidence as you do ought not be telling somebody else their foundation is weak.

Her name is Mary Lea Williams.

Thanks, Steve. 

Mary Lea Williams (3-20-64 statement to the FBI, 22H682) “I am a female caucasian, born...on October 19, 1904...I...have been employed by Allyn and Bacon, Inc...for the last fifteen years. On November 22, 1963, I left the Depository building at approximately 12:20 PM to view the arrival of the Presidential motorcade. I was accompanied by Mrs. Sue Dickerson, Billie Clay, and Ruth Hendrix, all employees of Allyn and Bacon, Inc, and Mrs. John Hawkins and her four year-old son, John. Mrs. Hawkins is wife of John Hawkins, an agent for Allyn and Bacon, Inc...Our group took up a position along the motorcade route about halfway between the first and second light poles on the curbside slightly west of the Depository building. We were on the north side of Elm Street as it leads into the underpass. Following the shooting of President John F. Kennedy, we continued to stand in that area for another five to ten minutes and then returned to the Depository building and stood in the lobby of the building where we could hear a radio report of the condition of the President. After a few minutes in the lobby, I returned to the Allyn and bacon, Inc offices...I do not recall having ever seen Lee Harvey Oswald at any time on or prior to November 22, 1963.” 

As tempting as it might be and as easy as it would be to do, we don't want to destroy Iranian oil infrastructure. By shutting down the Strait of Hormuz, 20% of the world's oil supply has been shut down, sending oil prices skyrocketing around the globe. Since 3/4 of that oil is Iranian oil, crippling Iran's oil production would mean a loss of 15% of the world oil supply on a long term basis. It would take years for them to recover keeping oil prices high in the interim. We should continue to blockade Iranian ports and starve their fractured regime of revenue which will keep oil prices high but only in the short term. If Iran isn't willing to make a deal on our teams, we should target their bridges and power plants and cripple them even further. If our intelligence can locate the top brass of the IRGC (with help from Israel), we should take them out. Keep killing their leadership until we somebody takes command who isn't willing to be a martyr for the cause. If that means killing all their generals until the colonels are in charge so be it. If that doesn't work, kill all the colonels and deal with the majors. Keep chopping of heads until we find someone willing to capitulate. Maybe eventually we'll find a second Louie who is willing to make a deal.

I'm wondering what weapons Iran has to threaten shipping in the Strait. Sounds like it is a combination of mines, gunboats, missiles and drones. We have the means to clear the mines. If we can target and destroy drug boats in the Gulf of America, we should have no problem eliminating their gunboats. We should be able to locate and take out their missile launchers. That leaves the drones which aren't that easy to defend against. I've read they are using fairly new technology weaponizing lasers. Maybe that is the answer. Zap the drones before they can reach their targets.