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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 08:49:06 AM »Hey better late than never, right ? He can testify at the Luna Board of JFK Inquiry with mssr. Doyle.
Now THAT would be worth recording. I’m sure mssr. Drumpf will be watching, hope they get Judyth Baker up there to set the story straight.
What would the headlines read ?
Now THAT would be worth recording. I’m sure mssr. Drumpf will be watching, hope they get Judyth Baker up there to set the story straight.
What would the headlines read ?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 08:42:12 AM »“What do you mean WE, White Man ??”
————- Tonto
There’s Johnny !
————- Tonto
There’s Johnny !
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Robin Unger on Today at 08:39:05 AM »Thanks Mark 

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 08:37:07 AM »A good gif from Robin is worth a million words !
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Robin Unger on Today at 08:18:10 AM »Hughes film showing Lovelady on the TSBD steps.
Also there is a woman standing at the bottom of the steps next to Lovelady near the crab rail.
Is it just me or does she resemble "Sarah Stantons" body shape.

Also there is a woman standing at the bottom of the steps next to Lovelady near the crab rail.
Is it just me or does she resemble "Sarah Stantons" body shape.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Ballistic Testing, Inconclusive Results Vs. Negative Results
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 06:34:44 AM »Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Chairman, may I have this admitted? That would be 625.
(The item described was marked Commission Exhibit No. 625 and received in evidence.)
Mr. EISENBERG. These arrows, Mr. Nicol, can you explain why they are different?
Mr. NICOL. This was one I made up originally and then decided that the illustration would be ample with one arrow in that one position.
Mr. DULLES. The one that is being admitted is the one-arrow photograph.
Mr. EISENBERG. The arrows are placed on mechanically after the photograph is developed?
Mr. NICOL. That is correct.
Mr. EISENBERG. And therefore it can vary?
Mr. NICOL. Yes. This is not a part of the photographic process.
Mr. EISENBERG. What is the magnification here, Mr. Nicol?
Mr. NICOL. It would be pretty close to 25 to 30 diameters. I cannot measure exactly the magnification.
Mr. NICOL. This illustrates some of the lines, not all of them, that I saw on a comparison of 502 and K-3. At the position of the arrow, you are looking at the top of the groove; adjacent to it in the lower portion is a land impression. And on that shoulder there are approximately five or six matching lines. They are very fine striations. These would be indicative of the fact that the same portion of the barrel had ridden on both projectiles.
Mr. EISENBERG. Well, now, there seems to be significantly less markings here than on the bullets which were seen earlier, which had come from the rifle. Does that same condition pertain when the bullet is viewed under the microscope?
Mr. NICOL. Yes. Of course, we are dealing with two different types of ammunition. One is a lead projectile, and the other is a metal-case projectile. And the ability of the metal-case projectile to pick up and retain fine striations, even in spite of distortion and mutilation, far exceeds what the lead projectile will do. Furthermore, the lead being a soft and low-melting-point material is more subject to erosion of hot gases. So that there are many more variables in the reproduction in terms of a lead projectile as over against a metal-case projectile.
Mr. EISENBERG. You found enough similarities to satisfy yourself that there is an identification here?
Mr. NICOL. I am satisfied that the two projectiles came from the same weapon.

JohnM
(The item described was marked Commission Exhibit No. 625 and received in evidence.)
Mr. EISENBERG. These arrows, Mr. Nicol, can you explain why they are different?
Mr. NICOL. This was one I made up originally and then decided that the illustration would be ample with one arrow in that one position.
Mr. DULLES. The one that is being admitted is the one-arrow photograph.
Mr. EISENBERG. The arrows are placed on mechanically after the photograph is developed?
Mr. NICOL. That is correct.
Mr. EISENBERG. And therefore it can vary?
Mr. NICOL. Yes. This is not a part of the photographic process.
Mr. EISENBERG. What is the magnification here, Mr. Nicol?
Mr. NICOL. It would be pretty close to 25 to 30 diameters. I cannot measure exactly the magnification.
Mr. NICOL. This illustrates some of the lines, not all of them, that I saw on a comparison of 502 and K-3. At the position of the arrow, you are looking at the top of the groove; adjacent to it in the lower portion is a land impression. And on that shoulder there are approximately five or six matching lines. They are very fine striations. These would be indicative of the fact that the same portion of the barrel had ridden on both projectiles.
Mr. EISENBERG. Well, now, there seems to be significantly less markings here than on the bullets which were seen earlier, which had come from the rifle. Does that same condition pertain when the bullet is viewed under the microscope?
Mr. NICOL. Yes. Of course, we are dealing with two different types of ammunition. One is a lead projectile, and the other is a metal-case projectile. And the ability of the metal-case projectile to pick up and retain fine striations, even in spite of distortion and mutilation, far exceeds what the lead projectile will do. Furthermore, the lead being a soft and low-melting-point material is more subject to erosion of hot gases. So that there are many more variables in the reproduction in terms of a lead projectile as over against a metal-case projectile.
Mr. EISENBERG. You found enough similarities to satisfy yourself that there is an identification here?
Mr. NICOL. I am satisfied that the two projectiles came from the same weapon.

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Ballistic Testing, Inconclusive Results Vs. Negative Results
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Today at 05:55:18 AM »UNDERSTANDING BALLISTIC TESTING AND INCONCLUSIVE RESULTS VERSUS NEGATIVE RESULTS
Before it was sold, Oswald's revolver was rechambered but not rebarreled. This was so that the revolver could fire the longer (and skinnier) .38 Special instead of the .38 S&W (a better selling point).
The original chamber was too short for the longer .38 Special bullet. The .38 Special bullet is generally accepted as being a higher quality ammunition than the .38 S&W. However, since the revolver still had the original barrel, the skinnier (less diameter) .38 Special bullet traveled in an inconsistent path down the barrel, creating inconsistent markings from one bullet to the next and therefore made ballistic testing difficult.
This is the only reason the bullets removed from Tippit's body during the autopsy couldn't be matched to the weapon (sans Joseph Nicol, who was able to match one of the bullets to the weapon).
But most importantly, saying the bullets couldn't be matched to the revolver does NOT rule out the revolver as being responsible for those bullets. The ballistic tests were simply inconclusive.
Nicol's standard was obviously lower than that of the FBI Firearms Lab specialists.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Ballistic Testing, Inconclusive Results Vs. Negative Results
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 05:43:14 AM »UNDERSTANDING BALLISTIC TESTING AND INCONCLUSIVE RESULTS VERSUS NEGATIVE RESULTS
Before it was sold, Oswald's revolver was rechambered but not rebarreled. This was so that the revolver could fire the longer (and skinnier) .38 Special instead of the .38 S&W (a better selling point).
The original chamber was too short for the longer .38 Special bullet. The .38 Special bullet is generally accepted as being a higher quality ammunition than the .38 S&W. However, since the revolver still had the original barrel, the skinnier (less diameter) .38 Special bullet traveled in an inconsistent path down the barrel, creating inconsistent markings from one bullet to the next and therefore made ballistic testing difficult.
This is the only reason the bullets removed from Tippit's body during the autopsy couldn't be matched to the weapon (sans Joseph Nicol, who was able to match one of the bullets to the weapon).
But most importantly, saying the bullets couldn't be matched to the revolver does NOT rule out the revolver as being responsible for those bullets. The ballistic tests were simply inconclusive.
Before it was sold, Oswald's revolver was rechambered but not rebarreled. This was so that the revolver could fire the longer (and skinnier) .38 Special instead of the .38 S&W (a better selling point).
The original chamber was too short for the longer .38 Special bullet. The .38 Special bullet is generally accepted as being a higher quality ammunition than the .38 S&W. However, since the revolver still had the original barrel, the skinnier (less diameter) .38 Special bullet traveled in an inconsistent path down the barrel, creating inconsistent markings from one bullet to the next and therefore made ballistic testing difficult.
This is the only reason the bullets removed from Tippit's body during the autopsy couldn't be matched to the weapon (sans Joseph Nicol, who was able to match one of the bullets to the weapon).
But most importantly, saying the bullets couldn't be matched to the revolver does NOT rule out the revolver as being responsible for those bullets. The ballistic tests were simply inconclusive.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:04:25 AM »What I noticed was that although we were discussing Connally's recollections about the timespan between the first two shots, you avoided the WC testimony specifically dealing with that question?
Why did you do that?
It was down to me to post the relevant testimony and point out how devious you were being. Here is the relevant testimony again, the question and the answer:
Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time...and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more...or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just the thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took..."
The point being made is that JBC can't stress enough how short the gap between the two shots is. Connally was a hunter who knew his rifles. If he was describing someone using a bolt action rifle he would have understood how quickly one of those could be used. When he says that he thought there were two or three people firing or someone was using an automatic rifle, he is describing shots taking place far quicker than a single person using a bolt action rifle.
Over and over again he uses phrase and imagery to express that it was a 'split second' gap between the two shots:
"A very, very brief span of time"
"two or three people involved"
"an automatic rifle"
"the rapidity"
Elsewhere he uses the same imagery and phrasing to describe the shots in general:
"extremely rapid"
"a very short period of time"
"It seemed like a split second"
"Fast, my God it was fast."
"A very, very brief span of time"
"unbelievably quick"
"Snapped his fingers three times rapidly"
Have you noticed how you ignore this very obvious part of JBC's description of the shots.
Why is that? Why don't you accept this part of his testimony?
Is it because it shoots down your silly little notion about when the first shot occurred?
I bet it is.
Not even you are so stupid as to describe that as rapid.
Snapping his fingers three times rapidly takes a lot less time than 10 to 12 seconds.
Over and over JBC emphasises how rapidly the shots were, even you can't deny this.
The reason you ignore this constant emphasis on rapidity is because this is yet another thing about JBC's testimony that blows your silly little notion out of the water. You desperately cling to his comment about 10 to 12 seconds as if this is the only thing he ever said about the timing of the shots.
The fact that he simultaneously remembers the shooting as very rapid yet taking such a long time can be explained without reverting to your strategy of ignoring the vast majority of his statements and clinging on to just one.
The "split second" quote is taken from an FBI report where JBC is asked about the timing of the shots. It is not taken out of context. It is very much in context. I don't believe you understand what 'context' means. You are using words and concepts you are not familiar with.
If you want to find out more about what JBC stated about the shooting I have already provided all the information you need to do that.
Get off your lazy Bahookie and do your own research.I've already provided the "split second" quote. You can try to wish it away all you want.
JBC doesn't just say" a very, very brief span of time". It's just so devious to try and present it like that. Your underhand tactics are so childish. As already stated, he constantly provides imagery and phrases that stress how short this timespan was. To compare it to an automatic rifle demonstrates he is talking about a timespan less than one second. As is comparing it to two or three people shooting at him. As is using the phrase "split second".
JBC is clearly talking about a timespan that is too short to be describing a single man using a bolt action rifle.
You can deny this all you want because it destroys your silly idea about an early missed shot.
This is the only interesting point you make and you don't even realise you're making it.
10 to 12 seconds is way longer than ALL of the other descriptions he gives about the shooting.
However, there is a rational solution to how he can simultaneously report the shooting be unbelievably rapid and 10 to 12 seconds.Your ignorance about this topic is almost complete. Your opinion about it means less than nothing.
Then why does he snap his fingers rapidly?
Why do all the descriptions you ignore stress how rapidly the shots were?Less than nothing.
Do you really think he doesn't know what an automatic rifle is?
Do you think you know what he really meant?
The brain can only process so much information at a time
You are the living proof of that
Less than one second.
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Please give an example of my "willful blindness".
Is this like you refusing to see Connally NOT turning to look over his right shoulder?
This is mostly devious nonsense.
He stated that he was looking to his left when he was aware of being hit - "just left of center" was his actual description. Your devious attempt to avoid this statement is par for the course.
Just to reiterate - in the Z-film JBC is only turned to his left at two points. One is around the z160's when he is clearly not shot. The other is in the z230's AFTER he has been shot. It is at this point that JBC believes he was hit but the Z-film shows clearly that he had already been hit
He got most things right
Name 3 things he got right that are shown in the Z-film.
In fact, just name one. Surely even you can do that.
I didn't think it was possible but you seem to get dumber with each post. JBC gave a number of vague, non-specific descriptions of the shots. The only time he mentioned a specific time frame was when he estimated the elapsed time for all three shots was 10-12 seconds.
The weapon could not have been an automatic because neither JBC nor anyone else could have heard individual shots.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 02:56:37 AM »The short story is Paul Landis, Secret Service agent on 11.22, said he found a whole slug on the rear seat of the limo post-assassination, which he then deposited on JFK's gurney or operating table inside Parkland Hospital.
That slug likely became CE-399.
Landis, 88 years old when he made that statement (in his 2023 book also) had not clarified what he did for 60 years, either to the WC or the HSCA.
Admittedly, that is dubious.
OTOH, there is no dispute Landis was Secret Service, and where he said he was on 11.22, and he had/has no history of fabrications or delusions. He is not in the same category as James Files or Ed Hoffman. By all accounts, Landis is an honorable guy.
Landis, at long last, may have wanted to get something off his chest.
So, how could a CE-399-looking slug end up on the rear seat of the limo?
If we assume the first shot that struck JFK, the one in his neck-back, was underpowered, and traveling at about 700 feet per second (fps), it would leave shallow wound, from which the slug could fall out. Especially after JFK was struck again, sending a shock wave through his body.
JFK was ~167 feet from the TSBD6 sniper window when first struck.
A shot fired at 700 fps over 167 feet would have a drop of about 11 inches---interesting, meaning if LHO or other sniper had zeroed in on JFK's skull, the shot would have struck about 11 inches lower, or into the neck-back area.
So why believe the first shot was underpowered?
Many witnesses described the first shot as different in pitch and volume from the second and third shots, which were in rapid sequence and louder.
One of shells found in the TSBD6 sniper nest had a crimp in its neck, possibly indicating it had been hand-packed--that is, used again after original manufacture. Hand-packing was not uncommon in the 1960s, to save money, and still happens among gun enthusiasts, particularly with .38 ammo. But hand-packing requires skill, and an amateur job might have been botched.
With a limited number of rounds, LHO or other sniper may have decided on hand-packing. Where LHO got his ammo has always been a mystery. No one knows.
Or maybe the first round was defective, straight from factory.
In any event, as recently pointed out by Michael Griffith, even the FBI concluded that JFK and Gov. JBC were struck by separate rounds.
The LNT remains implausible, as the HSCA concluded in 1979.
Landis waits 60 years to tell us he found a bullet in the rear seat and you believe that. Amazing.
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