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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 11:35:31 PM »
With all due respect to the Sixth Floor Museum, to its Oral History Project, and to the people who participate, I think it's all almost entirely bogus. I don't care HOW impactful someone thinks the JFKA was, there is NO WAY memories 30, 40, 50, 60 years later can be trusted. I could regale the Sixth Floor Museum with plausible-sounding "memories" of the JFKA, but all I'm at least pretty sure I remember is that I was eating lunch in the outside lunch area at Alice Vail Junior High in Tucson. Who told us, who I was with, what I was wearing, what I was eating, how I and others reacted, what we were doing 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after - FORGET ABOUT IT. These characters who come out of the woodwork years after the fact are simply a nuisance. I don't care if what they say is LN-supportive or CT-supportive, it just confuses the issue and should be ignored.

You're actually right for a change, Fancy Pants Rants.

Take, for example, Toni Glover's mistakenly claiming that the limo was far down Elm Street when Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot rang out, Mary Woodward's mistakenly claiming that the first shot (which sounded like a backfire to her) occurred after JFK and Jackie had waved to her and her three colleagues (starting around Z-175), and Karen Westbrook's mistakenly saying Stella Mae Jacob, Glorua Jeanne Holt, and Sharon Simmons in the Zapruder film were "Uhh, Carol Reed?, Gloria Calvery, and me!!!" to smilin' 'n noddin' Stephen Fagin at the Sixth Floor Museum.

LOL!
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JBC told us why he turned his head. I stated Rosemury Willis turned back to the TSBD because we see her do that and years later said she saw pigeons fly off the roof. It is a logical inference that the reason she turned back to the TSBD is because that's where the sound seemed to come from.

If Rosemary Willis saw pigeons fly off the roof, it must have been at Z-141, about a second after Oswald's first, missing everything, shot at "Z-124." That's when she, quickly looking away from the limo, turned her head to her right and started looking in the direction of the TSBD.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z141.jpg
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To quote Dale Myers...

"While there are several good reasons to dismiss Tatum’s account of the final moments of the Tippit shooting as a false recollection or a misperception of the true event, there is nothing that disproves it with absolute certainty. Conversely, there is nothing that supports it.

Like many things associated with the JFK assassination saga, Jack Ray Tatum’s account lies in that nebulous gray area. It could be true. Of course, accepting the fact that it might be true, doesn’t prove that it is."

Wow, the "real researcher" is back.........  To quote Dale Myers   :D


All you can do is make assumptions and babble about "real research", when in reality you have shown time after time that the only "research" you actually do is read Dale Myers book.



You want to criticize me over "With Malice",


Hilarious  :D
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JBC said he turned to look at JFK.  He doesn’t even try to look at JFK before z230.  So your conclusion that this turn occurred before z230 is not based on evidence.\

What do you know about making conclusions. I've never seen you make on that made sense.
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Rosemary turns back at z202-206.  That suggests the first shot just before then, just as her sister, father, Croft and Betzner, the 25 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first shot said.  That’s the evidence that the correct interpretation of the zfilm should fit.

It only suggests that to people who are bad at figuring. That was about 3 seconds after the first shot was fired. She reacted about the same time JBC did at Z164 when she began shortening her strides in order to come to a stop.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 10:48:52 PM »
Ok, NOW I remember Toni Glover. THAT is a great relief because the alternative was that I had shifted into another timeline as I have expedienced before things like the Thinking Man sculpture was never so twisted as it is in the timeline from 2015 till now.

Funny though I don’t remember Lance being in this thread so he very well may be a time traveler himself which explains the superior intellect phenomenon he experiences when reading JFKA posts in our timeline.  :)

It’s perfectly ok with me if Toni wants to weigh in no matter how many years it’s been because this case is very perplexing and I for one am STILL trying to resolve some issues after all these years.
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Hill heard the first shot.
He also heard the second shot.
He doesn't remember hearing the third shot as he had a lot on his plate at that moment, including stopping Jackie from jumping off the back of the limo.

By the time Jackie climbed out on the trunk, the shooting was over. That couldn't have been the reason Hill didn't hear one of the shots.
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JBC told us why he turned his head. I stated Rosemury Willis turned back to the TSBD because we see her do that and years later said she saw pigeons fly off the roof. It is a logical inference that the reason she turned back to the TSBD is because that's where the sound seemed to come from.
JBC said he turned to look at JFK.  He doesn’t even try to look at JFK before z230.  So your conclusion that this turn occurred before z230 is not based on evidence.

Rosemary turns back at z202-206.  That suggests the first shot just before then, just as her sister, father, Croft and Betzner, the 25 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first shot said.  That’s the evidence that the correct interpretation of the zfilm should fit.
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I've been waiting to see if any of the LNs had a theory as to why Clint Hill specifically, but also other passengers in both limos, didn't seem to have either heard or recognized the first shot for what it was. I have speculated the roar of the accelerating motorcycles could have disguised the sound of that first shot but I wondered if others had different theories for that.

Clint Hill was drinking the night before and so were others.

https://www.newsweek.com/drunken-truth-about-jfk-assassination-391613
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Jack Tatum (Frontline special: "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?", PBS-TV, 1993):

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There are some far out CTs that I wonder if they’re serious or just having fun dreaming up outer limits type scenarios.
Then there are Tom and Andrew with the LN alternatives.
I’m ok with Andrew but Tom the KGB specialist/ Russia / Russia/ Russia LN is a big question mark. I’m not sure if he’s serious  or not. ( he seems to have TDS on occasion, but it’s ok, we understand  :D
John Corbett is the diehard LN.
Michael Griffith is the die hard CT.

Bill Brown and John Mytton are LNs I’ve been familiar with as far back as when Zeon Wasinsky bugged them all the time with questions about anomalies like the gray vs blue jacket problem. I took Wasinskys place a while back because he could not remember his  password. I generally follow his methodology based on a Socratic dialogue.

I voted that some LNs may have been planted because  John Mytton and Bill Brown are WC experts so a few extra less expert LNs make the JFKA forum more inviting to less expert CTs and average Skeptics like myself. :)





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