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Ask Mr Von Pein to answer why no authority pursued Lovelady and grilled him on why he didn't tell of this witnessing of Oswald leaving through the front door to any of the original 1963 investigators?...


Crickets...

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Dan:

It is understood amongst credible researchers that Lovelady & Shelley were gotten to lie and push back their departure time from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to make Victoria Adams look silly and to destroy her witnessing of Oswald not being on the Northwest steps when the official story needed him to be...There's some basic rules of evidence you are violating here...We can see Lovelady & Shelley fast-walking up the extension in Couch/Darnell so therefore visual film evidence trumps testimony and shows that Lovelady & Shelley left the steps around 20 seconds after the shots when they were inspired by Calvery to go up to the Knoll and see for themselves...You are violating the rules of evidence as well as rational thought because we can see Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension in Couch/Darnell and it tells us what the true version is...

The version Bart Kamp used was the Sprague copy...Obviously Sprague used the best enhancement technology of his day which was probably limited to brightness and zoom...One thing is clear though, Sprague used the original celluloid films as his source, as is evidenced by the fact Kamp was able to get the best detail in his enhancements...That best source that Kamp accessed was able to produce the visible details seen on Lovelady & Shelley as well as Lovelady's bald spot...Lovelady's plaid pattern is a geometric match and matches his plaid short pattern precisely...That is a dead-lock that makes the sincerity of what you offer suspect...No serious researcher would doubt the men being Lovelady & Shelley at that point...

This was all in the hands of Larry Schnapf who could have gotten the 1st generation 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell simply by asking...Schnapf went on the Education Forum and explained why he wasn't going to request the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...The words Schnapf spoke to describe his reasoning were words that came directly from the Prayer Man gang and their shameless suborning of perjury before Congress...Because the Task Force was not able to obtain the original Wiegman and Darnell films the 6th Floor Museum copy then became the best available copy of Darnell...This was proven by the fact you can see Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man in that copy...So no credible researcher would ever make a case for not obtaining the best copy...Obtaining the best copy is an unspoken thing amongst credible researchers...It is only the Prayer Man-hijacked JFK internet that would make a case for NOT obtaining that copy...And the way they achieve that is by banning, ostracize-ing, and censoring those researchers who question it...The Education Forum is a fraudulent website, as are its administrators...The effort to NOT obtain the 6th Floor Museum copy is a disingenuous one whose sole purpose is to avoid producing evidence that Jim DiEugenio is a fool who promotes already-disproven theories before Congress...Iler is a greasy fixer who makes grandiose rules designed to bail out his partner DiEugenio and avoid the correct evidence...It is this copy that will better show Lovelady, Shelley, and Molina...

The mark is already set and we await the obtaining and scanning of the 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell...


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An AI movie?  Great suggestion, David!  Would be cheaper than what a one raff sink sunk into his movie about the towpath murder of Mary Pinchot may she rest in peace. Ever seen it? omg…
Yes, Dave….. Mssr. Doyle, like raff sink has communicated with Mssr. Janney, and have written many many many posts praising his tome, Mary’s Mosaic.  Have you read it?It’s a real page-turner! Brain could maybe team up with raff and make a real hum-dinger of a moo-vie with his brilliantly conceived screenplay.  I love matchmaking!
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Your problem is you lack common sense. I don't know how I can help you out there.
It is common sense to base conclusions on the evidence. It is common sense that one should guard against making conclusions that conflict with the evidence based upon what they think is happening in equivocal parts of the Zapruder film.  Your spidey sense of why people are turning their heads in the zfilm is not evidence and is certainly not common sense.
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COVID killed 15 million people.  Of course it was real.  A question like that attempts to deflect from legitimate questions about how it originated and the incompetent response from Fauci.  Initially Fauci gave multiple reasons for not wearing masks including a lack of evidence that they were effective.  And the masks that 99% wore were useless and even then, they could take them off to eat and drink in public.  Laughable.  If they were necessary to stop the spread of COVID, why aren't we still wearing them?  Even at crowded events.  COVID is still around.  So are a lot of other deadly contagious diseases like the flu.  But Biden and the Dems waved a magic wand after the 2020 election and it all went away.  Do you still wear a mask?

Fauci never said masks were ineffective without referring to a specific type. Without a vaccine masks were all we had.   
Before the vaccine there was no treatment, we could only stop the spread.  You forget, distribution was stalled by a
sitting President more concerned with having lost an election then the lives of Americans in a raging pandemic.
Further to that point, it was Trump spreading deadly misinformation re: horse de-wormer or household cleaners.

The vaccine greatly weakened the virus.   ::) You can't figure that out?
What did Fauci do wrong? - and what should he have done instead?
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Yes.  Total insanity.

"In early March 2020, he advised the general public against wearing standard masks, primarily to preserve critical supplies for healthcare workers and because widespread asymptomatic spread was not yet clear."

Fauci’s Mistake on Masks Was Driven by Bad Economics, Not Uncertain Science
https://www.cato.org/commentary/faucis-mistake-masks-was-driven-bad-economics-not-uncertain-science

Do you think COVID was some kind of hoax?

COVID killed 15 million people.  Of course it was real.  A question like that attempts to deflect from legitimate questions about how it originated and the incompetent response from Fauci.  Initially Fauci gave multiple reasons for not wearing masks including a lack of evidence that they were effective.  And the masks that 99% wore were useless and even then, they could take them off to eat and drink in public.  Laughable.  If they were necessary to stop the spread of COVID, why aren't we still wearing them?  Even at crowded events.  COVID is still around.  So are a lot of other deadly contagious diseases like the flu.  But Biden and the Dems waved a magic wand after the 2020 election and it all went away.  Do you still wear a mask?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 04:02:06 PM »
I just noticed this zombie post from 6 years ago. You seemed to be less emphatic about your denial of an early first shot miss. You seemed more sensible back then.

As I pointed out in the thread about Clint Hill, the 9 occupants of the follow up car gave us 9 different versions of the shooting either in their reports or testimony. This demonstrates just how unreliable human memory can be even with trained professionals like Secret Service agents. It also shows how you can make a case for just about eny scenario you want based on the witnesses you choose to believe. It's why I take uncorroborated witness accounts with a grain of salt.

First of all, there were 10 occupants and they all provided statements. second, their observations were different because they were observing from different positions and looking in different directions at different times. Why would their observations be identical?  The question is: what did they all have in common? That tells you much more about what happened.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on Today at 03:22:50 PM »
I can't understand how anyone can think Tomlinson (or Wright) could positively identify that bullet. He finds a bullet on a stretcher, gives to the chief security officer at the hospital (Wright), and then is shown a bullet months later. How can he say it's the same bullet? All he can say is it "looks" the same. It's impossible to identify it. Not positively identifying it is not "refusing" anything.

In 1966, Tomlinson was interviewed by a private researcher (Raymond Marcus) who asked him about the bullet. Here, in part, is what he said.

Marcus: Did anybody show you the bullet after the time you found it, and after the time you gave it to Mr. Wright?
Tomlinson: I seen it one time after that. I believe Mr. Shanklin from the FBI had it out there at the hospital in personnel with Mr. Wright there when they called me in.
Marcus: When Shanklin and Mr. Wright called you in at that time, did they show you the bullet?
Tomlinson: Yes.
Marcus: Did they ask you if it looked like the same one?
Tomlinson: Yes, I believe they did.
Marcus: And as far as you could tell--- of course, you weren't making a ballistics test of it--- but as far as you could tell, did it look like the same one to you?
Tomlinson: Yes, it appeared to be the same one.

"Appeared to be the same one." What more could Tomlinson say? As he admitted in the interview, he only "glanced" at it before giving it to Wright.

Is this evidence for that bullet? It is to me. Proof? No. Strong evidence? No. But certainly evidence. Can I prove this discussion took place? No. Can I prove he saw the same bullet, that it wasn't switched? No.

The complete Marcus/Tomlinson interview is here: https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/marcus-tomlinson-interview-7-25-66.html
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:49:07 PM »
I'm assuming you're talking about the moment JFK is shot for the first time causing his fists to go up to his throat. The question is, if we assume there are three shots from the TSBD, which shot is this - first, second or third?
IMO the shot that caused JFK to raise his fists to his throat occurred at z223. The opening post of this thread is an assertion that no shot took place before z207. Less than one second after this (z223) Kennedy is hit. This leads me to conclude the first shot fired from the TSBD is the one that hits Kennedy in the throat. Quite a number of "ear-witnesses" describe a pattern to the shots - shot, pause, two shots closer together. If this is the case the second shot must be the head-shot with the third shot coming shortly after that.

I just noticed this zombie post from 6 years ago. You seemed to be less emphatic about your denial of an early first shot miss. You seemed more sensible back then.

As I pointed out in the thread about Clint Hill, the 9 occupants of the follow up car gave us 9 different versions of the shooting either in their reports or testimony. This demonstrates just how unreliable human memory can be even with trained professionals like Secret Service agents. It also shows how you can make a case for just about eny scenario you want based on the witnesses you choose to believe. It's why I take uncorroborated witness accounts with a grain of salt.
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