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I am aware of the Thorburn reflex but I am totally unqualified to offer an opinion as to whether that is what we see in that footage. The bullet did not hit the spine. It hit near the spine. I have seen similar responses on the football field when I player sustains a severe head injury.
I'm not suggesting anything.
I am pointing out that President Kennedy never touched his throat like just about everyone claims when they mention his reaction to the first shot. Clearly, he never went for his throat. Ever. His right hand and arm jerk upward, his hand is open, giving the appearance that his hand is covering his mouth, while his arm is splayed upward and folded at the elbow.
Too many people watch the Zapruder film at slower than normal speed because too many people post the Zapruder film onto YouTube at a speed slower than 18.3 frames per second and overlook how fast his right comes up in front of his face to mouth level. The left hand is clearly not touching his throat either. as can clearly be seen.
Like I said, Hill, Bentley, and Walker show up at the Homicide office with Oswald and the wallet in tow. Baker is in the Homicide office at that time. Bentley gives Baker the wallet, but leaves with Hill for the Personnel office. Walker stays behind in the room to guard Oswald for some amount of time before rejoining Hill and Bentley in the Personnel office.MW: This all happened at least two hours before Bentley gave a wallet to Lt Baker.
Too bad that Guy Rose said that he arrived at City Hall just after Oswald had been brought in. At that time somebody gave him a wallet and told him it belonged to Oswald. When Rose examined the wallet he found the Hidell ID.
This all happened at least two hours before Bentley gave a wallet to Lt Baker. If anybody didn't read the testimony and reports carefully it is you.
Oh my goodness, this is hilarious. Here we have John Corbett, who is truly and literally a know-nothing troll, attacking Lance Payette for showing some open-mindedness on two widely believed and credible conspiracy scenarios (Mafia and Cuban G2).
As usual, the adamance and arrogance in Corbett's arguments are matched only by his raw ignorance of JFK assassination research.
Regarding Gus Russo and his book Live By the Sword, I reviewed the book back in 2012. Here's a little bit of what I said about the book in my review:
I would like to stress that, in spite of the problems discussed above, I believe Russo's Live by the Sword is an important, worthwhile book. It contains a great deal of new information on key aspects of the JFK assassination. Russo does a superb job on the possible involvement of Cuban intelligence in Kennedy's death, on the reports that Oswald had contacts with Cuban intelligence in Mexico City, on the possibility that some intelligence elements had foreknowledge that Kennedy was going to be killed, on the flaws in the Warren Commission's investigation, on the conflicts among the Warren Commission's staff and members, on Lyndon Johnson's political standing with John Kennedy at the time of the shooting, on the suspicious activities at Red Bird Airport, and on several other subjects. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1juiglUsXuJrapG3c9CSsam7Qp8F0UD7B/view)
Once again you show you have no clue in Kentucky what you're talking about. Umm, no, no, no, the FPP most certainly did not identify "a piece missing from the posterior of the frontal bone." Where in the world do you get that?!
Drawings and figures in 7 HSCA, for crying out loud.
The FPP put the large triangular fragment in the parietal bone, not in the frontal bone, even though their skull reconstruction expert, Dr. Lawrence Angel, told them this was wrong. Dr. Angel correctly put the fragment in the frontal bone, and his diagrams show that it extended nearly to the hairline, but the FPP simply ignored him, even though FPP radiology consultants also noted a substantial amount of missing frontal bone.
I just discussed this fact in a reply in my thread "Summary of Some of the Major Problems with the JFK Medical Evidence," to which you responded with the juvenile line "Nobody cares"--yeah, you obviously don't care about facts. Here's the link to my reply:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5041.msg181243.html#msg181243
Interested readers can find the HSCA's diagrams and figures, along with Dr. Angel's diagrams and report, in John Hunt's famous article "A Demonstrable Impossibility: The HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel’s Misrepresentation of the Kennedy Assassination Medical Evidence," which, by the way, I have cited to Corbett at least three times. Here's the link to the article:
https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/ADemonstrableImpossibility/ADemonstrableImpossibility.htm
The only "missing bone" that the FPP identified in the frontal bone was part of the tiny hole that straddles the coronal suture, at the rear of the frontal bone and the front of the parietal bone; the hole is partly in the frontal bone and partly in the parietal bone.
Not a coincidence at all. They are both reacting to the same shot. The zfilm does not tell you that JBC is reacting to being hit by it.
The evidence tells you that JBC is reacting to hearing it.
What is being suggested - that this is just the Thorburn reflex from a bullet hitting the cervical spine?
What is being suggested - that this is just the Thorburn reflex from a bullet hitting the cervical spine?
Other than the top of his head, the only thing we see of JFK prior to Z225 is the left side of his torso and his right hand which he had started to lower prior to disappearing behind the sign. With nothing to compare Z224 to, it's impossible to say what if any reaction JFK made prior to Z225. We do know at Z225, his right hand was still moving down. We also know that JFK and JBC both raised their arms rapidly as Z226. To me this is the single best evidence of the validity of the SBT. I know of no other valid reason why both men would have simultaneously and dramatically flung their arms upward, 2 frames after JBC's jacket had bulged out. Doubters of the SBT would have us believe all of this is one big coincidence. Right!Not a coincidence at all. They are both reacting to the same shot. The zfilm does not tell you that JBC is reacting to being hit by it. The evidence tells you that JBC is reacting to hearing it.
