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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Mannlicher-Carcano?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:47:45 PM »
I just found this listing for a Carcano short rifle.

https://collectorsfirearms.com/1111-italian-carcano-m38-short-6-5-carcano-r27052.html/

Unfortunately, it has already been sold. Asking price was $439.95. I would have thought it would have sold for more. I don't see a date for the sale. It appears to be the same model as what Oswald used. It does show that the "Oswald model" does occasionally become available if one keeps an eye out and gets lucky. Had I seen this ad before the rifle was sold, I would have been sorely tempted. I wonder how many of these are in private hands right now.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:37:56 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 12:06:28 AM
   Did you forget about the, "surgery to the head area", declaration that Lifton discovered buried inside the 26 Volumes? Your "pathologist" claim above is incorrect based on this being in the 26 volumes.

The 26 volumes are a log of all the evidence and data collected before any of it was vetted for probative value or relevance. It was left to the commissioners and the staff lawyers to sort through all that raw data and make sense of it. They did a masterful job of that.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:27:53 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 03:29:53 AM
And Amos Euins said he heard 4 shots. He is a major close up witness who not only heard the shots but was looking AT the shooter AS the shooter fired the rifle.

And  Amos said the shooter was sticking the rifle OUT the window and yet Amos saw no scope on the rifle.

But Arnold Rowland from a block away , DID see a scope on the rifle in the hands of some person at the SW 6th floor at 12:15.

Eagle Eye Rowland  however completely missed seeing the SE window shooter sticking a rifle out the window while Amos was watching the shooter at 12:30.

So these witness DRIVE me crazy lolz

This is why uncorroborated witnesses should not be trusted. Not because they lie but because they don't have perfect recall. One witness said the rifle had no scope and another said it did. How can they both be right? Should we believe that Oswald had the scope on the rifle at 12:15, took it off before he shot JFK, then put it back on before he hid it behind some boxes? The event happened only one way yet if we believe all the witnesses, it happened a dozen or more ways. People who rely primarily on eye and ear witness accounts instead of the hard evidence are very, very foolish.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:19:08 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 03:12:32 AM
I see in this Z260-Z290 range  that JC’s right shoulder appears to be rotating in the opposite direction from what would normally be expected from an impact of a 2000ft/ sec bullet hitting (presumably) the right of his upper back and exiting the right side of chest . Hitting the mass to the right of center of mass will usually impart angular momentum causing that mass to spin about the vertical axis ( JCs vertical spine) in the direction the bullet is traveling.

But I am not a physics expert , nor do I know for  certain the angle of this Z270 bullet hitting JC. If the bullet deflected rightward  going out of his chest, that might induce  some % of counterspin which could cancel out the initial entry spin.

I think it’s going to require an experiment with some replica human bodies that include head  arms and legs ( and a hat in the right hand of the JC model) to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot theory.

Generally I think probably most of the LNs prefer Z224 as a shot because of the forward movement of JC and his right shoulder rotating counter clockwise at Z225-Z230 to be indicative of transfer of momentum caused by bullet impact.

Note: As JC begins to lean back into Mrs Cs Lap, I think Andrew might concede that the expression on JCs face is “painful “ especially if I suggest that he has just felt the “ impact of the Z270 bullet 🙂

Why would you need an experiment to know how ludicrous this theory is?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 10:19:33 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 10:07:52 AM
TG--

You are the one positing Solie conspiratorially and covertly communicated with LHO somehow, whether directly or through clandestine "cut outs."

Do you have any evidence of such communiques?

Dear "BC,"

Can you please tell me why someone in the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (of which Nosenko-loving and Shadrin-losing Solie was Deputy Chief) arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics to have all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming "defection" sent to it instead of where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division?

Thanks.

-- "TG"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 10:07:52 AM »
TG--

You are the one positing Solie conspiratorially and covertly communicated with LHO somehow, whether directly or through clandestine "cut outs."

Do you have any evidence of such communiques?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 09:46:07 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 09:39:42 AM
What was the mechanism for Solie to conspiratorially and covertly communicate with LHO, while he was stateside?

Dear "BC,"

By meeting with him outside the front gate of the Lighter-Than-Air base?

Via a Russian ballet company that was touring the West coast?

Beats the heck outta me.

Why don't you look into it and let us know what you find out?

-- "TG"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 09:39:42 AM »
TG-

John Newman noted the great difficulties a mole like Bruce Solie had in actually communicating with co-conspirators in the US, or with the KGB.

Can't talk on the phone, telegram, or use the mail, and meeting in person could get observed by counter-intel. Running classified ads in newspapers was one way to signal co-conspirators, but even that risked detection, and hardly allowed transmission of anything but brief, pre-arranged coded info.

Newman even says communication snags were one reason for Solie's travel schedule---to meet, or even pass messages covertly, to co-conspirators.

What was the mechanism for Solie to conspiratorially and covertly communicate with LHO, while he was stateside?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 06:10:38 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 04:40:38 PM
  Hey John - Have you viewed the higher def Current Z Film(s) posted on You Tube? I have 1 that I prefer, and it clearly shows JFK being HIT with such force that he is PROPELLED BACKWARD into the backrest. JFK is hit with such force the he literally bounces off of the backrest and then falls to the (L) like a tree that has just been cut down.
                  We can argue the bona fides of the Current Z Film, but even hi def copies of that clearly display the impact of a Front (R) shot. The lower def Z Film copies are like watching anything on an old SD Broadcast/TV. Just think back to the stark difference between broadcast SD vs HD. This is why Bart Kamp continues gaining attention. He is posting better definition images. The Current Z Film images being posted on this Forum are outdated. Even the Z Film images that you are posting has all kinds of crappola consistently flying through it. That's a dead giveaway that this "material" dates way back.
                     

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  Hey John - Have you viewed the higher def Current Z Film(s) posted on You Tube? I have 1 that I prefer, and it clearly shows JFK being HIT with such force that he is PROPELLED BACKWARD into the backrest. JFK is hit with such force the he literally bounces off of the backrest and then falls to the (L) like a tree that has just been cut down.

JohnC is right, you've been watching too much Dirty Harry, real life isn't a Hollywood movie.

All these Soldiers were struck in the head with FMJ bullets and not one soldier is forcefully propelled forward and in fact not even one falls forward, they simply crumple straight down and fall back towards the shooters.



Mythbusters had multiple men firing into a pig carcass and it barely moved.



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The Current Z Film images being posted on this Forum are outdated. Even the Z Film images that you are posting has all kinds of crappola consistently flying through it. That's a dead giveaway that this "material" dates way back.

So you think the closest images that we have to what's on the actual Zapruder Film is outdated but your digitally enhanced Zapruder Frames which obscures detail and is not much better than being covered with Vaseline is the Gold standard, Interesting!

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 05:53:53 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 05:50:04 AM
TG--

Was State Department'er in Moscow Richard Snyder a semi-witting participant in the KGB-Solie-LHO conspiracy to get LHO into the Russia?

Did Snyder, given his role in the aforesaid conspiracy, decide to never tell the truth about any hints or suggestions he received from Solie? Mum is the word?

Was Snyder himself yet another KGB asset? After all, he was stationed in Moscow, and they surely tried to flip him.

Did Snyder think Oswald had been sent to him (and the hidden KGB microphones in his office) either by the KGB-controlled CIA or the non-KGB-controlled CIA?

Probably not.

Afterall, he did say Oswald came across as a neophyte Marxist and that his spiel sounded coached and rehearsed, so if anything, he probably thought he'd been sent by the KGB proper.

Even if Solie gave him "heads up" that "CIA Agent" Oswald would be coming, his being mum about it after the assassination may have been due to his realizing, correctly, that there was an ongoing counterintelligence of some sort.
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