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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I almost forgot. Yesterday was a big anniversary for Lee Harvey Oswald.
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 06:27:27 AM »TG--
Unfortunately, President LBJ ordered a snuff job on LHO links to KGB, G2, DGI. "No nuke wars, please," he said to Warren. And Senator Russell.
Thereafter, left-wing ideologues seized JFKA narratives.
Only a very few, such as Gus Russo, even pursued LHO links to Moscow and Havana.
The HSCA-1979 concluded there was likely a JFKA conspiracy.
Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman said on 11.22 bullets entered the cab of the limo in a "flurry."
How does a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle do that?
So...who conspired with LHO?
You know, if you connect your theory with Albert’s two Oswalds, we just might have a winner here. I’ll run this through General A. I. and see if I can get him to confirm.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 06:21:33 AM »But this is what the Trine Day and Skyhorse publishing houses do. And use each others’ books as sources. Illegal !
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Today at 06:17:10 AM »QED.
Next whack-a-mole subject ? How about Lambchop ?
Next whack-a-mole subject ? How about Lambchop ?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by Tom Scully on Today at 04:43:57 AM »So we’re supposed to believe that just ONE SS agent all by himself, no others around him, made a search of the limo ( and no one else saw him doing so) and found a bullet on the backseat which had been missed by dozens of other people surrounding the limo and guarding the limo at time it was at the Bethesda hospital?
Landis's report, dated on 11/30, of his 11/22 activities. On page 7 he describes no opportunity, back at Andrews, after disembarking and escorting Mrs. Kennedy, to be near the limousine again on 11/22.
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https://dn760000.eu.archive.org/0/items/nsia-LandisPaulEJr/nsia-LandisPaulEJr/Landis%20Paul%20E%20Jr%2001_text.pdf
Page 6 0f 7
...Urs. Kennedy’s purse and hat and a cigarette Lighter were on the back seat. I
picked these three items up as I walked through the car and followed Mrs. Kennedy
into the hospital...
Page 7 of 7
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 03:59:28 AM »Yes. The one you provided.
Can you provide a witness or a film showing Landis searching the limo?
So we’re supposed to believe that just ONE SS agent all by himself, no others around him, made a search of the limo ( and no one else saw him doing so) and found a bullet on the backseat which had been missed by dozens of other people surrounding the limo and guarding the limo at time it was at the Bethesda hospital?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 03:46:13 AM »CE 399 is presumably the bullet that hit JFK at Z224 and then continued on to hit JC , ending up stopped finally in JCs inner left thigh.
It is conceivable that the bullet could have fallen out of JCs thigh before he was out of the limo, but would it not have been found on the floorboard in front of the jump seat or on the jump seat rather than the backseat?
Don’t see how a bullet falling out of JCs left pant leg would have made its way to the backseat of the limo unless some other person prior to Landis , picked up the bullet off the floorboard and moved it to the backseat.
It makes no sense that any SS agent would see a bullet laying either on the floorboard or the backseat and not immediately point it out to other SS or FBI or DPD.
So this seems a very improbable story to add to a lot of others such as Beverly Oliver claiming to be Babushka lady.
It is sad that some people are willing to fabricate stories so they can cash in on the JFKA 60 years later.
It is conceivable that the bullet could have fallen out of JCs thigh before he was out of the limo, but would it not have been found on the floorboard in front of the jump seat or on the jump seat rather than the backseat?
Don’t see how a bullet falling out of JCs left pant leg would have made its way to the backseat of the limo unless some other person prior to Landis , picked up the bullet off the floorboard and moved it to the backseat.
It makes no sense that any SS agent would see a bullet laying either on the floorboard or the backseat and not immediately point it out to other SS or FBI or DPD.
So this seems a very improbable story to add to a lot of others such as Beverly Oliver claiming to be Babushka lady.
It is sad that some people are willing to fabricate stories so they can cash in on the JFKA 60 years later.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: 11.22 FBI Memo About an Secret Service Agent Finding a Bullet in the Limo
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 02:39:18 AM »JC--
You think when people use the word "bullet," even in an FBI memo written by a licensed lawyer, they are leaving open to interpretation, in fact make it misleadingly unclear, whether they are referring to a whole bullet or slug, vs. a fragment or shrapnel?
I think 99% of people call a whole bullet a "bullet" and small pieces of a bullet "fragments", "pieces" or "shrapnel."
Can you find an example of an FBI memo that refers to fragments as a singular "bullet"?
Yes. The one you provided.
Can you provide a witness or a film showing Landis searching the limo?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Paul Landis And What He Said
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 02:35:49 AM »MC-
Paul Landis may have been a team player. The team went along with the official JFKA explanation.
Ponder Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman. He said bullets entered the limo in a "flurry" on 11.22. Obviously, based on his own statement, based on what Kellerman saw himself that day, that was not the result of a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.
Kellerman made no issue about what he saw, and drifted into obscurity after the JFKA.
Landis did too...but something made Landis set the record straight.
It's called dementia.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I almost forgot. Yesterday was a big anniversary for Lee Harvey Oswald.
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 02:34:09 AM »TG--
Unfortunately, President LBJ ordered a snuff job on LHO links to KGB, G2, DGI. "No nuke wars, please," he said to Warren. And Senator Russell.
Thereafter, left-wing ideologues seized JFKA narratives.
Only a very few, such as Gus Russo, even pursued LHO links to Moscow and Havana.
The HSCA-1979 concluded there was likely a JFKA conspiracy.
Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman said on 11.22 bullets entered the cab of the limo in a "flurry."
How does a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle do that?
So...who conspired with LHO?
Yup Yup Yup
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I almost forgot. Yesterday was a big anniversary for Lee Harvey Oswald.
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:17:01 AM »TG--
Unfortunately, President LBJ ordered a snuff job on LHO links to KGB, G2, DGI. "No nuke wars, please," he said to Warren. And Senator Russell.
Thereafter, left-wing ideologues seized JFKA narratives.
Only a very few, such as Gus Russo, even pursued LHO links to Moscow and Havana.
The HSCA-1979 concluded there was likely a JFKA conspiracy.
Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman said on 11.22 bullets entered the cab of the limo in a "flurry."
How does a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle do that?
So...who conspired with LHO?
Unfortunately, President LBJ ordered a snuff job on LHO links to KGB, G2, DGI. "No nuke wars, please," he said to Warren. And Senator Russell.
Thereafter, left-wing ideologues seized JFKA narratives.
Only a very few, such as Gus Russo, even pursued LHO links to Moscow and Havana.
The HSCA-1979 concluded there was likely a JFKA conspiracy.
Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman said on 11.22 bullets entered the cab of the limo in a "flurry."
How does a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle do that?
So...who conspired with LHO?
I almost forgot that yesterday was the sixty-seventh anniversary of former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald’s arrival in Moscow.
Oswald had gotten out of active duty via a sketchy hardship deferment (his mother had hurt her nose when a box fell on it at work), and he entered the USSR from Helsinki as a tourist, but on 30 October 1959, he walked into the Embassy and told Consul Richard Snyder, Consular Officer John McVickar, and the KGB microphones in the walls that he had applied for Soviet citizenship, that he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship, and that he planned on telling the Soviets everything he had learned as a Marine radar operator. (After the JFK assassination, the KGB claimed that it hadn’t realized that Oswald had been stationed at a U-2 base in Japan).
Snyder and McVicker later reported that Oswald seemed amazingly well-prepared for a twenty-year-old high school dropout.
Author John M. Newman believes Bruce Solie (about whom Tennent H. Bagley wrote scathingly in his 2007 book, Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games) in the CIA’s mole-hunting Office of Security was a KGB mole, himself, and that when (probable mole, imho) George Kisevalter sent a cable to CIA headquarters in April 1958 telling it that its spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, had just told him in West Berlin that the Kremlin had all of the top-secret details of the U-2 spy plane, Solie sent Oswald to Moscow as an ostensible “dangle” in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for “Popov’s U-2 Mole” (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA — the Soviet Russia Division.
If true, Kisevalter's and Solie’s doing so caused a mole hunt that not only lasted nine years, tore the Soviet Russia Division apart and drove CIA Counterintelligence chief Angleton nuts, but prevented Solie from being uncovered.
P.S. 16 October 1959 was also, ironically(?), the same day that Popov was publicly arrested in Moscow after having been secretly arrested there in early December 1958. (In other words — contrary to what Cherepanov and Nosenko, et al., said and the zombified CIA now says — Popov wasn’t uncovered due to "superior KGB surveillance and sloppy CIA tradecraft" in early 1959, but was betrayed by a mole significantly earlier than that.)
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