JFK Assassination Forum

Bell frame:

Bell film showing the limo passing the TSBD

I know that SSA Hickey fired at least 4 shots, the last being the headshot at Z312.

Thank you for that fringe take on the assassination.

I have.  I cited evidence from Mary Woodward. You just said she must be wrong-that she did not hear what she swore she heard. I provided other evidence that the shots were in that kind of rapid succession. 

Too rapid to have both been fired by Oswald. Either those witnesses were wrong or there were two gunmen. I know which one I am betting on.

You have provided nothing except your interpretation of equivocal head turns in the zfilm and you suggest that all that evidence must be wrong.

I don't recall ever having used the head turns of the limo occupants as evidence of anything. You must be thinking of Graves. I have not suggested that all that evidence must be wrong. I have stated that your cherry-picked witnesses who put the last two shots close together are wrong. Every one of them.

The shot occurred with JBC in that position. Nellie told Dr. Shires that he was turned around to the right when he was hit in the back. Shires commented that this would explain why the back of his forearm was turned toward his chest.  JBC thought he had started to turn back around when he was hit but could not say for sure how far he had gotten.

This is your turn to dismiss what a witness said. JBC said he was facing almost forward when he felt the bullet hit him in the back. That pretty much blows your theory out of the water. We know he wasn't shot in the back at Z271 because that would have been impossible with JBC facing Oswald at that frame.
You never have explained how that could have happened.

Gayle Newman said the second shot sounded after the car had been 10 feet from her. She saw that JBC grabbed his chest and lay back:

Here we go again with a cherry-picket uncorroborated witness. You have built a house of cards with these flawed accounts of what happened.

In her first interview by Jay Watson of WFAA TV within an hour or so of the assassination (before it had been announced that the President was dead) Gayle Newman said that Connally was turned to his side and he grabbed his stomach.

Kind of like this at Z245:
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z245.jpg

How the bullet passed through his body requires an anatomical understanding of the human torso when it is turned like that.  The shoulders can turn without changing the position of the shoulder blade.  JBC was hit in the armpit which fits with having the armpit turned to face the rifle.

JBC's back at his armpit wasn't facing Oswald. It was turned away from Oswald making an entry wound then impossible. How you could look at Z271 and think it was even remotely possible for Oswald to shoot JBC in the back at that frame is truly mind boggling.

So the evidence is consistent and overwhelming that the second shot occurred close to the third shot which necessarily means JBC was turned sideways right as that is his position at z250-270 … just as Gayle Newman reported seeing less than an hour after seeing Connally hit by second shot.

The Z-film alone thoroughly demolishes that scenario.

Do I find problems with Obama playing golf 41 times a year? I would if he insisted he needed a huge ballroom that would dwarf the White House itself for safety reasons, while still going golfing 41 rounds a year. It is inherently harder to guard a President on a golf course than at the Washington Hilton.

If Trump insists he needs a ballroom, while the Washington Hilton seems adequate, the would-be shooter never got close to him, but insists on going golfing 50 times a year. Golfing is not a security threat but not having the Golden Ballroom is. Makes no sense.

I don't see what the ballroom has to do with Trump playing golf. They are completely unrelated. The ballroom isn't being built for security reasons. That's just a fringe benefit. The ballroom will be a much more impressive venue for holding state dinners than the East Room which hosted last night's dinner with King Charles. I can't imagine he was too impressed by that.

But let's not bother with going ahead and finishing the ballroom. Let's just leave a pile of rubble there as a memorial to the East Wing.

Most of our recent presidents were avid golfers. Biden probably didn't play much while he was POTUS because of his decline, but he was an avid golfer while Veep. Obama, both Bushes, and Clinton played a lot. Clinton even played a round in the Bob Hope Pro-Am in front of thousands of spectators along with former presidents Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush. Reagan played on occasion. Carter didn't play at all. Ford loved the game and was famous for his fiery temper. He played a lot after he was out of office including in Pro-Ams. I got to see him up close when he played in the Memorial Tournament Pro-Am which he did for several years. Nixon and LBJ played rarely. JFK was an avid golfer until his back pain forced him to give the game up shortly before he was assassinated. He was probably the best golfer of the presidents until Trump came along. Ike probably played golf more than any president while in office and became a member of Augusta National before he even became POTUS. There was even a tree named for him in the 17th fairway because he had lobbied to have it removed because he kept hitting it with his tee shots. A few years ago, a windstorm blew it over. I wonder if Ike had a hand in that. The earliest golfing presidents were Taft and Wilson, both of whom loved the game.

I have no problem with any president who wants to play golf.