JFK Assassination Forum

I must say, this thread has completely lost me. Isn't the dishing of the primer, as observed by Chapman and as seen in the HSCA composite, the more significant issue? It would be conclusive evidence that CE 543 was a dry-firing shell, yes? The dent could be why CE 543 became a dry-firing shell - i.e., it was no longer suitable for reloading. The dent could have happened during practice with the M-C or CE 543 could have simply been picked up someplace by Oswald. Yes, the dent perhaps could have happened when CE 543 was fired on 11-22 - but not if the primer shows evidence of more than one firing pin impact. What am I missing?

That is what I thought too. It did not take long to change.

The thread turned into debunking CE 543 and dry firing so as to keep validating and promoting an early missed shot. CE 543 as a snap cap casts a huge doubt on that scenario. You saw the lengths he went through and conclusions he reached trying to prove a third shot. Everything but the obvious is being believed. Going as far as replicating a sniper's nest to... I don’t really know why someone would do that. I am not much better. I fired a carcano from inside of an old farmhouse and then stuck the barrel outside of the window while having Mike stand outside to see if there was a difference in the sound. The only thing I learned was don't shoot a rifle inside of a dusty old farmhouse. It took an hour to get the dust out of my eyes.

Given your dabbling into religious beliefs, something you would understand is people seem to hold onto the third shot like a religion. A third shot cannot be proven, and it makes no sense when described in any scenario. A religious fervor about a third shot is what you are seeing here. I have watched it for a decade on the forum. Charles and John are just the latest.

Jack, what you just posted is not what I posted earlier. You changed the wording in order to try to distort what I wrote. Shame on you!

Also, I should have been more clear about what I meant by “both dents”. It wasn’t two different dents on the same cartridge. It was the two dents on the necks of two different cartridges (CE 543 & the HSCA test cartridge #2) that I had previously specified in the immediately prior sentence. Both cartridges were fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD on 11/22/63. Therefore, I believe that the same rear bridge could have caused the two different but similar dents on the necks of these two different cartridges.

It is exactly what you posted earlier. It is called copy and paste. I bet you do want to distance yourself from it.

If you think it is wrong, you can repost what you wrote in Reply #58 and show this terrible transgression.

I don't think most people appreciate what Donald Trump has done. Leaders don't get credit for the disasters they divert. People don't appreciate what a danger Iran posed. If they had developed a nuclear weapon, they already had the missile technology to reach ever capital in Europe. It would have only been a matter of time before they could reach the east coast and beyond. That would have been an extremely dangerous situation. It wouldn't have been like the Cold War when mutual assured destruction acted as a deterrent to both sides. The Iranians are religious zealots to whom martyrdom is the highest calling. It's the same mindset that caused 19 hijackers to fly airliners into our buildings knowing they would die in the process. I have no doubt Iran would have embraced mutual assured destruction.

I don't understand people who say their development of a nuclear weapon wasn't imminent. I don't know if that is true or not but why the hell would we want to wait until it was imminent before taking drastic action. Had we known the Japanese were planning to strike us at Pearl Harbor, I don't think we would have waiedt until December 6 to take action.

So many people only care that the price of gas has spiked the last several months. If that's the price we had to pay to keep the Iranians from becoming a threat to our homeland, it's money well spent.
If this deal holds, and it's still an if, and the Strait of Hormuz is opened again bringing down prices, I hope the voters will be able to look at the situation objectively.

Yes, Donald Trump is prone to hyperbole but the things he says are usually directionally correct. He can talk like a crazy man because he knows that fires up the base, but he governs with a cool head as he has shown the past few months. A lot of people, including me, were wondering why we didn't just bomb Iran back to the Stone Age He used just enough firepower to get them to bargain in good faith if hey have actually done that. I liked Hegseth's expression, negotiate with bombs. Once Trump started to talk about taking over Kharg Island the Iranians realized he wasn't pussyfooting around.

Yes, I think that is right.  If Bill Clinton had taken out Bin Laden when he had a chance, there would have been no 9/11 but no one would ever have known because it didn't happen.  Trump has neutralized an Iran whose avowed purpose was to develop a nuclear weapon and use it on Israel.   The frightening thing here is that I think some people want Trump to fail regardless of the consequences.  They have no concern for the implications.  If that means Israel is nuked, they don't care if Trump is politically damaged.  The ends justify any means for the radicalized loons who think Trump is worse than Hitler.

MTG--

Well, we are on different pages on this one.

Surely, there were zealots galore in the Cuban exile community, and also in G2, in the highly nationalist and ideological 1960s. Many had actually served in combat, BoP and so on.

The record shows JFK tried to have Castro assassinated many times, and Castro knew it, and Castro also publicly stated (in Sept 1963) that assassinations could go both ways.

Elements within Cuba, or G2, or G2 assets stateside could have perped the JFKA.

As for nations acting rationally...why did Japan bomb Pearl Harbor? Why did Germany go into Russia? Why has Russia persisted in a ghastly and catastrophic fool's mission in Ukraine?

Why did the US occupy Afghanistan for 20 years? Why did JFK have the Diems eliminated, thus further destabilizing SV?

I can't rule out the Mob, or elements attached to the national security state, perped the JFKA.

But...I lean to a small plot involving G2'ers of Alpha-66'ers. Just IMHO.

TG-

This is a photo of the small round hole in the rear of Gov. JBC's assassination-day shirt.



This small round shirt-hole was actually enlarged twice, legitimately, once by the FBI and once by the HSCA, to test cloth for metallic residue. The initial hole was even smaller, but unfortunately it appears there are no photos of the original, even smaller hole.

JBC's surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw, who worked on 700-odd wartime bullet wounds while serving in the WWII Army, was of the opinion that JBC received a direct shot from above and behind, which left an ovoid wound, north-south on JBC's back, per his drawing of the wound.

Shaw expanded or debrided JBC's back wound to remove dead flesh and any foreign material, leading to confusion about the actual size of initial wound later.

In addition, the exit hole in JBC's assassination-day suit is also small and round, indicating the slug was not tumbling as it exited JBC.



I conclude the slug that struck Gov. JBC's back was not tumbling, in concordance with the sentiments of Dr. Shaw, a very experienced surgeon, with no evident axes to grind.

The "tumbling bullet" appears to be among the many myths subscribed to by LNT'ers, or CT'ers, regarding the JFKA, in order to buttress their narratives. 

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/lobbyexhibits/jfk-suit