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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Bill Brown on Today at 04:33:54 AM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 09:24:28 PM
Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15.  She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.

Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.

You may be thinking of Fred Litwin's "On The Trail Of Delusion" podcast.  I was not responsible for the graphics, though I don't have a problem with them.

Could be. No surpise that you don't have a problem with them. You won't have a problem with them if they showed Markham having a barbeque at that intersection.

You asked for my opinion and then ridicule me by calling it "self-serving speculation".  You really are a dickhead, aren't ya?

Said one dickhead to another. I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.

When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!

Clearly YOU aren't aware that Jack Tatum would be approaching the intersection of Tenth & Patton while Tippit and his killer were talking.  Markham described "traffic was coming".  She didn't say a police car was coming.  Or... are we now accepting everything the FBI (in this case, Barrett) says is 100% true?  If that's the case, then the bag was indeed three feet long by six inches wide, according to Linnie Mae Randle (per Bookhout).

So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.

I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street. You make it out as a highway with loads of cars passing by. It wasn't and still isn't.

Markham tells us no such thing.  You're putting words into her mouth.  That's bad form.

She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!

Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?

Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.


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Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.

Nonsense.  The time stamps on the police tapes are not "bad evidence" at all.  You don't understand them; that doesn't make them "bad".


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I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.

When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!

Again, you basically asked me to speculate and I admit I am only giving my opinion.  Seems simple enough but only a Kook would take issue with it.


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So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.

Again, in her Warren Commission testimony, she said traffic was coming.  She did not say it was a police car.  If you want to rely on the FBI report as if it's gospel, then we can also agree then that Randle indeed said the bag was three feet long.  This is simple stuff, really.  So, which is it for you?

By the way, the FBI agent who interviewed Markham in March of '64 was Barrett (as you originally stated), not Bookhout (as you are now stating).


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I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street.

In your opinion.  Obviously that was not Markham's opinion, as she tells us she had to wait for traffic to pass before trying to cross.


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She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!

Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?

Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.

You don't know what "get your bus" means and you certainly don't know how Markham interpreted the question.  The bottom line is that Markham never says she caught a bus at 1:15 and no amount of you putting words into her mouth will change this.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:24:32 AM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 14, 2026, 01:39:01 AM
RS: The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people.

Again, In the Darnell film you can see a white car parked on the north side of the Elm Street Extension. That wouldn't happen if the street were "jammed with people" Also, you can see people standing on the sidewalk running along the front of the TSBD. That also wouldn't be possible if the street was full of a crowd.  Speaking of which:

RS: You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.

These are the aforementioned people standing on the sidewalk between the TSDB and the north side of Elm. They aren't in the street, ipso facto.

When Martin is filming Harkness driving by with Euins, he's to the east of the area in Darnell where the crowd appears. Because he's filming in an eastward direction, you won't see the Darnell crowd that is standing between the dirt road, the first RR yard spur, and the pergola.

RS: And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car.

As I've already pointed out, this is much later than the Darnell and Martin film segments in question here. No question after 12:45, and probably more like 1PM, when the DPD shoos the crowd away from in front of the TSBD and actually ropes off the area around the building. That is more than enough time for Harkness to put Euins in Sawyers car, drive to the north side of the TSBD, and return to the front after he was "relieved" by arriving officers.


RS: the Officer Harkness check point.

In the Darnell film, you first see Harkness looking west, then walking back towards his three-wheeler parked near the end of the  cyclone fence. Not coincidentally, that's the area where Euins said that he ran into Harkness. Harkness explicitly testified that the area where he met Euins wasn't behind the depository. If that area wasn't behind the TSDB, then his earlier position to the west of his 3-wheeler was also not behind the depository.  The Darnell snippet is just before Euins tells Harkness about the rifleman in the window, and Harkness will soon after radio this information to the dispatcher at 12:36

              Right there 1:00. Who do you think that cop is talking to inside Sawyer's car on the Nat Geo snippet? He not talking to Morgan Freeman, "Driving Miss Daisy".
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:16:43 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on April 14, 2026, 06:54:40 PM
I still have no idea why you find any of this the least bit significant.

   A man masquerading as a motorcycle cop fits in with the findings of the Rob Reiner JFK Assassination series. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 04:13:19 AM »
Quote from: James Hackerott on October 17, 2025, 04:00:14 PM
\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 



    And Groden is claiming he has a copy of the "Original Negative" of the Wiegman film? The above still frame is just as good if not better than the Groden "Original Negative". 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: John McAdams: Exploring his research 5 years on
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 04:06:14 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:04:41 AM
GD---

I traded e-mails with JM, I think about 13 years ago.

I asked him, "Based on my review of the Z-film, it appears Gov. JBC made a 180-degree turn in his seat after being shot through the chest, if one holds to the SBT. Does that hold water?"

JM was very civil, and emailed back to the effect, "That is what happened."

I remain unconvinced, but that is what forums and discussions are for.

BTW, I appreciate this forum, and its moderator, for not repressing unpopular views.

Before I even got to John's reply, that is exactly what I was thinking. I was going to type that same reply.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 03:31:59 AM »
MT:

Thanks for your comments.

It could be hubris, or more gently, an informed but incorrect opinion on Cyril Wecht's part.

Wecht has credentials on this topic far exceeding mine, so I am loath to contradict Wecht. I lean to Wecht's explanation.

My layman's opinion is Gov JBC could not have held his right-hand grip on the Stetson after being shot through the dorsal side of the right wrist by the large and heavy slug, issued from an M-C.

The M-C, and related Western Cartridge ammo, is right on the borderline of what is considered a high-powered rifle (or carbine if you want to get technical).

The average muzzle velocity of the Western Cartridge Company (WCC) 6.5×52mm Carcano ammunition (CE-399) fired from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was approximately 2,165 feet per second (fps).

The slug might have slowed down by the time it struck JBC's wrist, if we assume it passed through JBC's chest first.

Curiously, the WC held that the Western Cartridge slug "tumbled" inside of JBC's wrist, causing even more damage than if it had tunneled through. Ouch!

Like I said, I am just a layman, but...really? JBC held onto the Stetson even after CE-399 "tumbled" through his wrist?

Another side question: After the Western Cartridge slug passed through JBC's wrist, then it burrowed into JBC left thigh, by the WC account.

After that, the slug from the thigh should have been retrieved by a nurse or attendant, and put into an envelope. All hospitals, even then, saved bullets as standard procedure, and all gunshots had to be reported to local police, for good and obvious reasons.

I would expect that in such a high-profile murder and attempted murder case, the slug from JBC's thigh would, of course, be placed into an envelope and marked by a nurse or attendant as such. This is really basic. I cannot imagine these procedures were not followed.

Yet the WC holds that CE-399 was found several floors below the JBC operating room, either on the floor, or near or underneath a gurney, near an elevator, by Parkland employee Darryl Tomlinson.

Huh?

That has always struck me as curious. I will probably post on this soon.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 03:20:04 AM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 01:55:40 AM
Frazier said he wore a light gray jacket to Irving Thursday night. - How did it end up in Oak Cliff on Friday?

Frazier who sat next to Oswald for a half an hour on the way to the TSBD recalls never seeing CE163 before, so how did it end up in the Depository? Frazier's powers of observation regarding Oswald's clothing was not so good.

Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have because most time I noticed when Lee had it, I say he put off his shirt and just wear a T-shirt the biggest part of the time so really what shirt he wore that day I really didn't see it or didn't pay enough attention to it whether he did have a shirt on.
Mr. BALL - On that day you did notice one article of clothing, that is, he had a jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What color was the jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was a gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket that I had seen him wear and that is the type of jacket he had on that morning.
Mr. BALL - Did it have a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; it was one of the zipper types.
Mr. BALL - It isn't one of these two zipper jackets we have shown?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.

Frazier recalls on "that day" which throughout the testimony was obviously referring to the 22nd, and Thursday was referred to as "Thursday", Frazier said Oswald had on a light grey jacket, yet the dark blue/grey jacket was found in the TSBD??

Mr. BALL - You are not able to tell us then anything or are you able to tell us, describe any of the clothing he had on that day, except this gray jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - That is the only thing you can remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - I have here a paper sack which is Commission's Exhibit 364. That gray jacket you mentioned, did it have any design in it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was it light or dark gray?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was light gray.
Mr. BALL - You mentioned it was woolen.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Long sleeves?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Buttoned sleeves at the wrist, or do you remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - To be frank with you, I didn't notice that much about the jacket, but I had seen him wear that gray woolen jacket before.
Mr. BALL - You say it had a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

When Ball was specifically talking about Thursday, Frazier says it was the "same grey jacket"? How do you think Oswald can be wearing the same jacket on the way home on Thursday and back to work on Friday? And the only jacket found at the TSBD was the dark blue/grey jacket?

Mr. BALL - On Thursday afternoon when you went home, drove on home, did he carry any package with him?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; he didn't
Mr. BALL - Did he have a jacket or coat on him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What kind of a jacket or coat did he have?
Mr. FRAZIER - That, you know, like I say gray jacket.
Mr. BALL - That same gray jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Marina "seems", which isn't exactly definitive, to think that she saw Oswald wearing CE162 but the CT's say she lied a lot, so take that with a grain of salt.

Mrs. OSWALD. On Thursday I think he wore this shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Is that Exhibit 150?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember anything else he was wearing at that time?
Mrs. OSWALD. It seems he had that jacket, also.
Mr. RANKIN. Exhibit 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

So in conclusion, Frazier never recalls seeing Oswald's dark jacket before and says that Oswald was wearing a light grey jacket on that day(22nd), as I initially said Frazier's powers of observation were not that good!
Therefore Oswald wore the the dark grey/blue jacket to Irving and back to the TSBD, and the light grey zipper jacket was back at his rooming house, the jacket that Roberts saw Oswald zipping up.

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 02:29:27 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 14, 2026, 08:22:41 AM
MT Thanks for your comment.

"The radial nerve covers the extensor muscles of the hand. Holding the hat requires the flexors, not the extensors. The radial nerve transection, then, wouldn't be expected to prevent Connally from continuing to hold the hat."--MT

The WC said something along those lines too. Maybe so.

Cyril Wecht had the opposite opinion, as I cited above.

My layman's view is the impact and injury to the wrist would have dislodged Gov. JBC's grip from the hat, and likely did.

I rather suspect it was Texas Lore, that "and the Gov. was still holding onto to his Stetson hat." A sign of defiance and strength, in the face of dire adversity.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

BC: Cyril Wecht had the opposite opinion, as I cited above.
No matter what Wecht says, the functions of the radial nerve are well understood and can be found in any anatomy and physiology textbook. If Wecht differs, that may just be a case of hubris on his part.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 02:21:32 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:58:41 AM
   How about you just do the research? Your wanting to put the loading of Euins into Sawyer's car at 1:00 tells the tale. You have tied yourself into a Knot. You have absolutely NO IDEA what Harkness did immediately after the kill shot. Otherwise, you would not be trying to NOW put Harkness in that Troika filming at 12:33. Everything you are NOW claiming is a consistent retrofit to try and make your previous claims work. Just do the research. I am currently WAY ahead of you.
RS: Your wanting to put the loading of Euins into Sawyer's car at 1:00 tells the tale.

I've never said that. In fact, the last time you brought this up I told you that.


You have absolutely NO IDEA what Harkness did immediately after the kill shot.

Harkness was stationed at the corner of Houston and Main, and he was in immediate command of the officers in Dealey Plaza. After the assassination, he and officer King jumped on their trikes and rode all the way to Industrial. Seeing nothing, Harkness returned to Dealey Plaza and wound up in the RR yards. He parked his ride on the dirt road at the eastern RR spur, walked west over to the second spur, then turned around and walked back to his bike, as seen in the Darnell film. at some point shortly after that, he encountered Amos Euins. He took Euins story, wrote it down in a notebook he carried with him, then put Euins on his cycle and the two drove down the Elm St Extension. That ride ended in front of the main entrance of the TSBD. Harkness dismounted, informed Sawyer of what he'd seen and of Euins story. Euins then was settled into the back seat of Sawyer's car. After that, Harkness drove up Houston to the north side of the Depository to seal off the building, at the same time calling the dispatcher for more units to be sent to the scene. He stayed at the north side of the depository until relieved by one of the newly-arriving squads. Then he returned to the front of the TSBD, parking his cycle (facing west) next to Sawyer's car on Elm, as seen in the Nat Geo footage.


Otherwise, you would not be trying to NOW put Harkness in that Troika filming at 12:33.

I asked you, "Why couldn't {the Darnell clip with Harkness} be at some point in 12:33?" A simple question. Your complete lack of functional response to this question, and your attempt to talk around it, speaks volumes about your inability to support your 12:34 assertion.


Everything you are NOW claiming is a consistent retrofit to try and make your previous claims work. Just do the research.

What I'm saying now is basically what I've said from the beginning. If you paid attention and were able to put two and two together you'd have been able to figure that out.


I am currently WAY ahead of you.

The only person you are ahead of is yourself.  That's only because you keep getting in your own way and stumbling over yourself.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: John McAdams: Exploring his research 5 years on
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:04:41 AM »
GD---

I traded e-mails with JM, I think about 13 years ago.

I asked him, "Based on my review of the Z-film, it appears Gov. JBC made a 180-degree turn in his seat after being shot through the chest, if one holds to the SBT. Does that hold water?"

JM was very civil, and emailed back to the effect, "That is what happened."

I remain unconvinced, but that is what forums and discussions are for.

BTW, I appreciate this forum, and its moderator, for not repressing unpopular views.




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