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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 11:46:37 AM »
JBC began consciously reacting at Z-150 when he quickly turned his head to his left (to be caught "looking straight ahead" in the Z-161 Croft photo).

What's your proof that was a reaction to a gunshot? Why do you read every head movement during the time in question to be a reaction to a gun shot? Do you think the occupants of the limo would be seating still during the motorcade? If my belief in a shot at Z147-148, Z150 would be too soon after he heard the shot for it to be a reaction. Probably just a coincidence he turned his head at that poiint?
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Rosemary Willis began consciously reacting in Z-140 when she began turning her head away from the limo and back towards the TSBD.

Again, you are assuming these head turns are reactions to gunshots. Why?
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Zapruder may have been buffeted by wind and/or Sitzman may have had a bad case of the hiccups.

Yes, I have always allowed for that possibility. Not every flinch is a reaction to a gunshot but every gunshot would be followed by a flinch. Based on the flinches at Z227 and Z318, we can expect a flinch 7-8 frames after each shot was fired.
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Rhetorical question: Why did Elsie Dorman involuntarily stop filming the two times she involuntarily stopped filming?

I have no idea. Why is that important?
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ME: Elsie Dorman involuntarily stopped filming twice during the JFK assassination. Which Zapruder frames correlate timewise with those two instances?

Perplexity AI: The two involuntary stops in Elsie Dorman’s filming line up, in Zapruder‑time, just before Z133 and then at about Z228, with a third [voluntary] stop later around Z411.

Correlated Zapruder frames

Dale Myers’ epipolar geometric synchronization of the amateur films places Dorman’s three camera interruptions as follows:

First stop: 0.12 seconds before Zapruder starts filming the limousine, i.e., just prior to Z133.

Second stop: at the time equivalent to Zapruder frame Z228 (shortly after the “back/neck” shot near Z223).

Third stop: at the time equivalent to Zapruder frame Z411 (roughly five seconds after the last shot).

You are assuming that the stops in filming are reactions to gun shots. That is illogical. You would have a better argument if she had stopped filming immediately after the headshot but she didn't.
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I tend to accept HSCA conclusions. There were smart group, and operated on a different wavelength than the WC, which more-or-less was committed to the LN narrative even before conception (see President LBJ's directive).

Smart group? I'm sorry. I just couldn't let that one slide. If was a committee of congressman. It's not as if we send our best and brightest people to Washington. Many of the people in Congress ended up there because they sucked at everything else they had tried.
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The HSCA accepts the no bullet hole in the limo windshield narrative.

Good for them. They didn't screw everything up.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 11:29:32 AM »
Well, why don't you read through the list lil tommy and count them up yourself.
As usual, you've missed the point.
Speer has compiled a list of 44 witnesses who recall JFK reacting as we see in the Z-film - arms moving upwards, slumping to the left, straightening up etc.
He also points out that not a single witness recalls him carrying on waving and smiling after the first shot.
It's a list of 44 witnesses confirming that the first shot was the one that caused JFK to have the extreme reaction we see in the Z-film.

Look at the Tyler/Speer evidence a few posts back, look at the OP.
How much evidence can you ignore?
Don't you feel weird ignoring all this evidence?
What does it say about you as a researcher?

That means there were 44 witnesses who did not recognize the first blast as a gunshot for various reasons.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Today at 08:17:33 AM »
Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How many of these people remembered to mention that they'd heard a firecracker, or a backfire, or a tire blowout, or a [fill in the blank] shortly after the limo turned onto Elm Street?

Hmm?

-- Tom

Well, why don't you read through the list lil tommy and count them up yourself.
As usual, you've missed the point.
Speer has compiled a list of 44 witnesses who recall JFK reacting as we see in the Z-film - arms moving upwards, slumping to the left, straightening up etc.
He also points out that not a single witness recalls him carrying on waving and smiling after the first shot.
It's a list of 44 witnesses confirming that the first shot was the one that caused JFK to have the extreme reaction we see in the Z-film.

Look at the Tyler/Speer evidence a few posts back, look at the OP.
How much evidence can you ignore?
Don't you feel weird ignoring all this evidence?
What does it say about you as a researcher?
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I tend to accept HSCA conclusions. There were smart group, and operated on a different wavelength than the WC, which more-or-less was committed to the LN narrative even before conception (see President LBJ's directive).

The HSCA accepts the no bullet hole in the limo windshield narrative.


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The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded there was no bullet hole that penetrated the original limousine windshield, but rather that a bullet fragment struck the inside surface of the glass, causing a crack and a "star-shaped" fracture.

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The HSCA commissioned a detailed forensic examination of the original windshield (designated Commission Exhibit No. 351) by its Firearms Panel. They made the following specific determinations detailed in Volume VII of the HSCA Appendices:

Two Fractures: There were two separate fracture areas on the laminated, tinted glass.

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Internal Impact: One impact point (located slightly down and to the right of the center of the rearview mirror) showed fracture lines radiating outward only on the outside surface of the glass. This indicated the glass was struck from the inside by a foreign object—which experts identified as a metal/lead deposit.

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No Puncture: Because the impact only created an internal "star-shaped" crack and lead smear without piercing all the way through the dual-pane glass, it did not leave a clean, open "hole".

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Take a good look at the opening frames of the Sixth Floor Darnell film. Emmitt Hudson is already sitting down on The Steps. Only :15 seconds after the Kill Shot? Not per his WC Testimony.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

Lots of witnesses were way off in their recollections of that chaotic and traumatic afternoon.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald In Helsinki
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 01:39:52 AM »
TS---

Yes, Trousdale appears credible, and likely was on the train with LHO into Russia.

Why did Russian border patrol wave LHO through?

1. They were told to do so.

2. They were late in their shift, and wanted to go home.

3. Trousdale exaggerated differences in the way he, and LHO, were treated at the border.

A viable theory is that LHO was a de facto Solie-KGB asset at the time he entered Russia, then became an asset of Minsk KGB, later being passed over to Castro's G2-DGI. LHO appeared to have been a devout Marxist, and may have been witting to this arrangement.

LHO took a shot at General Walker in April 1963.

Then at JFK on 11.22? While working for who?
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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

It's ironic that you say that, given the fact that you didn't realize that Wiegman's camera was pointed down at the pavement while he was getting out of his camera car, and that he captured very few clear images as he ran down the street.

-- Tom

   Take a good look at the opening frames of the Sixth Floor Darnell film. Emmitt Hudson is already sitting down on The Steps. Only :15 seconds after the Kill Shot? Not per his WC Testimony.
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These kinda guys like to babble, even though it reveals how little they know about the JFK Assassination.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

It's ironic that you say that, given the fact that you didn't realize that Wiegman's camera was pointed down at the pavement while he was getting out of his camera car, and that he captured very few clear images as he ran down the street.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:01:17 AM »
When one performs even a cursory review of the statements regarding the movements within the limousine at the time of the first shot, one finds that 44 of these [statements?] indicated Kennedy had a reaction to the first shot. Not one indicated he just sat there waving or looked around and resumed waving.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How many of these people remembered to mention that they'd heard a firecracker, or a backfire, or a tire blowout, or a [fill in the blank] shortly after the limo turned onto Elm Street?

Hmm?

-- Tom
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