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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 10:40:49 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 10:14:20 AM

It appears Solie was compromised.

"Compromised," or a mole?

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Letting Nosenko into the US was a relatively harmless exercise.

Not if FEDORA was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, and if Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and Russia-born George Kisevalter were KGB moles in the CIA.

You are aware, aren't you, that after Solie "cleared" Nosenko, he was given a gig at the Agency teaching "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits?

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Lots of people though-out the national security state hid documents from the WC and the HSCA.

"The National Security State"?

You sound like Comrade Jim DiEugenio.

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Lots of people hid documents from the Warren Commission and the HSCA.

Did they arrange to have the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming defection rerouted to their office rather than where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division -- and have the ones that mentioned Oswald's threatening to commit U-2 radar espionage disappear into a "black hole" there until after the assassination?

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For that matter, we have no idea what true or fake document are hidden in G2 KGB vaults, or which have been destroyed, which might shed light on Solie and LHO.

Point being?

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And there is plenty of evidence the WC wanted no part of any links between CIA'ers, LHO and the KGB or G2, or even considered that there might be some linkages.

Point being?

 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 10:14:20 AM »
TG-

As stated, from a distance of 60+ years, it appears Solie was compromised, and that is the opinion of John Newman and  yourself. Tennent Bagley thought it was possible.

OTOH, letting Nosenko into the US was a relatively harmless exercise.

Lots of people though-out the national security state hid documents from the WC and the HSCA.

For that matter, we have no idea what true or fake document are hidden in G2 KGB vaults, or which have been destroyed, which might shed light on Solie and LHO.

A wilderness of mirrors, and lot of fog about.

And there is plenty of evidence the WC wanted no part of any links between CIA'ers, LHO and the KGB or G2, or even considered that there might be some linkages.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 08:25:15 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 07:44:11 AM
Solie could have wanted to look compromised so he could leak bad info to the KGB.

LOL!

Is that why he "cleared" putative KGB staff officer / false-defector-in-place in Geneva in 1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 Yuri "The KGB Didn't Even Interview Marine U-2 Radar Operator Oswald During The 2.5 Years He Lived In The USSR" Nosenko in 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, is that why he helped probable mole Leonard V. McCoy "lose" Shadrin to KGB kidnappers in Vienna in 1975, and is that why he hid Office of Security files on Oswald from the Church Committee and the HSCA?

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I can see with my own eyes Governor Connally's apparently un-injured hand holding onto his Stetson at Z-275.

LOL!

Translation: You can definitely see something "that might or might not be."
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK Videos
« Last post by David Von Pein on Today at 07:49:17 AM »
Here's the expanded 11/22/63 edition of the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite:

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 07:44:11 AM »
TG:

Sheesh, we are 60 years after the fact in trying to decipher the Bruce Solie-Nosenko-KGB-Oswald stuff, and since everyone is dead, we only have access to (online) paper records, and what fraction of real info was ever put on paper?

I have respect for Tennent Bagley's work, and what I know about the man. I never met him and I don't remember meeting anyone from the CIA in my whole life. I might have back in the 1980s but I now forget if they were CIA or ONI.

But Bagley strikes me as intelligent and earnest.

I lean to Solie at least being compromised, and perhaps a full-on KGB asset. Of course, Solie could have wanted to look compromised, so he could leak bad info to the KGB.

Like looking through the fog on a dark night.

But then, I can see with my own eyes Gov. JBC's apparently un-injured hand holding onto his Texas Stetson hat at Z-275.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What Happened to State Dept'ers in Mexico Who Suspected LHO-Cuba Ties
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Today at 06:21:34 AM »
Mann was out of the service by 1967.

The important aspect is, Mann told the HSCA he had been blunted in efforts to pursue LHO-Cuba leads, and then he was quickly transferred elsewhere. Maybe those assignments were promotions, or maybe consolations. 

Here is my general take:

We have LBJ instructing WC'ers Warren and Russell to find out nothing that might trigger a nuke war (and those were hair-trigger days, see the CMC, 50/50 we get nuked).

We have the Katzenbach memo (11/25).

We have early memos from Hoover indicating he thought that the LN had been captured.

We have Mann and Thomas saying they were forcefully dissuaded from following LHO-Cuba leads.

I have reasonable doubts the WX/FBI prosecuted LHO-G2-KGB leads with vigor, or even much at all.

By the time the HSCA got on the case, the trail was 15 years old, and the HSCA was more Mob- and CIA-suspicious.

OT side note:

Dulles famously told the WC that presidential assassibatios were all LN jobs.

That is true---all successful assassinations.

but

Puerto Rican nationalists Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola attempted to assassinate President Harry S. Truman on November 1, 1950. The attack occurred at Blair House in Washington, D.C., where Truman was temporarily residing during White House renovations. The plot failed when security forces intercepted the gunmen before they could enter the building.

So, there have been serious conspiracies to assassinate Presidents, and one was hatched only 13 years before the JFKA.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many MAGATs attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 04:16:06 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 03:41:29 AM
Is there a downside to that?

I suspect Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, Ayn Rand and you would say "Nein!"

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Keep going.

What else would you like to add?

Mandatory sterilization -- or even better -- euthanasia?

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NAH!!! The KKK were all Democrats.

You're referring to Southern Democrats, especially during "Reconstruction."

Gasp . . . were they in Queens in 1927, too?

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Dems do treat The Constitution like toilet paper.

How so, Adolf I mean Benito I mean Vladimir I mean John?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many MAGATs attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:41:29 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 03:13:11 AM
Hey, maybe mail-in voting should only be for Libertarians and True Republicans, and all snowflake, woke, libtard, Socialist-Communist, illegal-alien-loving Antifa Dems and RINOs should have stand in line for at least a couple of hours at their designated polling place

Is there a downside to that?
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(secured, of course, by masked and heavily armed ICE agents), present a "long-form" birth certificate and a current passport, and pass a college-level U.S. history exam, a field sobriety test, and pay a $50 poll tax!

Keep going.
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This country is NOT a "constitutional federal DEMOCRATIC republic," it's a REPUBLIC, PERIOD, intended only for God-fearing White Libertarians, True Republicans, and KKK members (as Trump's dad evidently was at one point), gosh darn it!

NAH!!! The KKK were all Democrats.
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To heck with that rag known as The Constitution!

Dems do treat it like toilet paper.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many MAGATs attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 03:13:11 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 02:40:32 AM
Of you last two posts I sort of agree with the first but not the second. Yes, I did think the Democrats cheated in 2020. They always do. I don't think there cheating made the difference in any of the five states the Democrats flipped from the 2016 election. For the Democrats to have stolen the election, they would have stolen at least three of those five states. I have a hard time believing they stole even one. I did go to bed on election night in 2020 believing Trump had won. Arizona had flipped to the Democrats but Trump seemed to be leading in the three blue wall states and Georgia. What I didn't realize is that the early votes had not been counted yet. That is my one gripe. I think people would have had more confidence in the results had the early votes been the first ones counted and made public and there was no reason they couldn't have been. They could have been counted in advance and the totals released the minute the polls closed. Back in the day when the only early voting that was done was absentee ballots. When the news organizations released those counts, they would usually tell their views that those tended to be Republican votes because they were the ones who would me more likely to be out of town on election day. Once early voting became widely available, those tend to be heavily Democrat votes. Had those votes been thrown into the mix from the start, it never would have appeared Trump was winning the key toss up states. Instead it gave the appearance that the Democrats were waiting to see how many votes they needed before those votes were added in.

As for Trump being the best president in my lifetime, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Right now, I would give that honor to Reagan but that could change depending on what Trump accomplishes in the next 3 years.

Hey, maybe mail-in voting should only be for Libertarians and True Republicans, and all snowflake, woke, libtard, Socialist-Communist, illegal-alien-loving Antifa Dems and RINOs should have stand in line for at least a couple of hours at their designated polling place (secured, of course, by masked and heavily armed ICE agents), present a "long-form" birth certificate and a current passport, and pass a college-level U.S. history exam, a field sobriety test, and pay a $50 poll tax!

This country is NOT a "constitutional federal DEMOCRATIC republic," it's a REPUBLIC, PERIOD, intended only for God-fearing White Libertarians, True Republicans, Unrestrained Capitalists, and KKK members (as Trump's dad evidently was at one point), gosh darn it!

To heck with that rag known as The Constitution!

As Mike Flynn says, "Where We Go One, We Go All!"

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 02:51:36 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on May 15, 2026, 09:51:43 PM
   
     I have no problem with answering questions that You might have. All you gotta do is ask. You are currently making statements that are without a doubt Egregiously WRONG!

OK. Tell us what evidence you have that the car in question was a getaway car. Hint: Your assumptions are not evidence.

It is SOP for you to treat every unexplained fact as evidence of a conspiracy. You ignore any and all alternate explanations even though there are numerous alternatives that are much more believable than the one you assume to be true.
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