JFK Assassination Forum

Hey, believe it not, I’m still considering it because I just cannot dismiss a supermajority of witness on the 1… 2..3 pattern and I really don’t see the shooter misfiring the 1st shot accidentally or haphazardly aiming because he was excited.

Yours is the only alternative LN theory so no harm testing it out some more. It would be nice though if a computer AI could be used.

Always good to keep an open mind. 

If the last two shots were in quick succession as the witnesses overwhelmingly reported, and the head shot was the last then it follows that the first shot did not miss. We can see JFK already well into his reaction to his neck wound by z224:

and that is almost five full seconds before the head shot. Not many would describe shots five seconds part as rapid.

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It appears on the Z film from Z133-Z190 that JC was maintaining a 45 degree turned right angle of his upper body and looking at the crowd to the right side of limo the whole way.

You may wish to check that again.  JBC is looking left and facing forward in the Croft photo which corresponds to z161.

Therefore i think the most comfortable position would be that JC was sitting on the jump seat with both his legs turned 45 degrees rightward so that he could maintain that 45 degree upper body position without having to twist his torso. And I doubt he would have had half his buttocks off the left side of the seat as in JohnMs diagram. Nor imo would he hold his hat upside over the left side of his left leg because he would have to keep his arm stretched diagonally across his chest to do so. I see no indication his right arm is diagonally across his chest from Z133-Z200, so JohnM diagram is improbable.

One can also conclude that JBC was not sitting with a buttock off the left side of his seat because we can see that he is not sitting like that in any of the photos. 

This alternative simplifies  the Z190 shot 1st because now the shot just goes past JC without hitting his thigh, thus apparent absence of physical reaction by JC to being hit by a bullet is no longer an issue.
That bullet exiting JFK slowed down to 1500 ff/sec likely goes  into the middle lower part of the front seat cushion and could have stopped there or if it continued thru, it gets embedded in the lower dashboard. That could be CE 399 which fell out and was found in the limo later or it’s the “lost “ bullet.

That scenario would depend on the Secret Service and FBI missing a hole in the upholstery or an impact mark in the car.

The Z270 shot could also be the CE 399 shot because that’s when JC had raised his hat up against or close to his chest and his right hand is rotated with the palm facing away from his chest as the well of the hat is visible.

The impact that JBC described can only occur with a significant and sudden change in momentum of the bullet. That had to have occurred on striking the fifth rib. A full speed bullet impacting bone like that would deform, as Larry Sturdivan testified to the HSCA. When you the factor in the irregular characteristics of the chest exit wound and the wrist wound and clothing, not to mention the evidence of Tague that he was hit on the second shot, it is highly unlikely that a full speed bullet striking JBC first could end up as CE399.

So if you are able to figure out the angle of the shot going thru JC at Z270 then maybe you can determine if it’s plausible or not that the bullet could go thru JCs wrist where he had his hand up at Z 270 , exit thru his lower palm and continue on to hit his inner left thigh.

The main reason the bullet that made the thigh does not fit with the bullet that caused the wrist wound is the striking difference in wound characteristics. The thigh wound looked like it was made by the butt end of an intact missile.  No one said that about the wrist wound.

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The case against Bruce Solie is entirely based circumstantial evidence, and even there we hardly have a complete record.

There are no wiretaps, no confessions, no confirmed meetings between Solie and KGB'ers, etc. No records of financial inducement, or that Solie was blackmailed for being a homosexual, etc.

Solie was never put on trial, and is too dead now to mount a defense, or provide explanations or an alternative narrative.

Nor has anyone in the KGB ever said, "Yeah, Solie was one of ours."

You have CT against Solie, as does Newman.

I lean towards Solie being a KGB asset, but I recognize what I have is a suspicion, a CT, not a fact.

If the DPD thought the car had any relevance, why did they release it?

   BUMP.  Either provide the Evidence to support YOUR CLAIM ABOVE, or Retract It.  The above is not merely an opinion. You are claiming this car was "Released".

TG

You are correct, both CT'ers and LNT'ers bridle at the thought that Sawyer called in the "white man 5' 10" 165 lbs" JFKA suspect description.

CT'ers, as it has became canon that the CIA somehow planted that description.

LNT'ers, as it has become canon that only LHO was involved in the JFKA.

I think a witness told Inspector Sawyer that is what he (the witness saw), and Sawyer called it in. Simple.

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In addition to your Bruce Solie CT's, are you now formulating a CT that Sawyer was part of DPD conspiracy to fabricate a witness, who gave them the "5'10" white male, 165, carrying a rifle" description? 

CT'ers of the world, unite!


 

The phrase "Occam's razor" is a bit trite, but in this case...

Inspector Sawyer, evidently a man promoted through the ranks of the DPD, a department that used civil service exams, age 47 and thus not likely senile etc., testified under oath to Belin this:



Sawyer testified the witness said a white male was seen "carrying" a rifle, post JFKA. No clothing description. Sawyer called in the description. Seems clear enough.

The witness may have been unreliable, and the witness evidently then decided to not get further involved.

The word "carrying" does not describe what witnesses saw in the TSBD6 sniper window, which was a figure pointing a rifle towards the motorcade.

If I had seen figure in the TSBD6 window shooting in the direction of the motorcade, I would not say "the figure was 'carrying' a rifle."

I am not sure why, but many witnesses in Dallas back then seemed fearful of getting involved in the JFKA in any fashion. Other people are fearful of publicity or police, and dismissive of official forms and falderal. The witness may have thought, "I have discharged my civic duty, and the rest is up to them."

The most reasonable deduction is a contemporary 11.22 witness told the DPD they saw a white man, approx. 5' 10" 165 lbs, "carrying" a rifle in the aftermath of the JFKA, near or around the TSBD. 

That is likely what happened.

Was the 11.22 witness accurate in his observations? Who knows?