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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 08:40:40 AM »
From the list of items taken from Ruth Paine's house, there is no items of Oswald's clothing listed. And considering Oswald was living at Beckley street it makes sense for Oswald to keep all his clothes where he spent the majority of his time.

I found it a bit weird that Oswald would wear the same clothes all weekend but according to Ruth, Oswald brought out some underwear and shirts to be washed and then left with clean clothing, so presumably he must have taken some fresh clothes out to Irving as well?

Mr. JENNER - Now, the same question with respect to laundry. That would be laundry largely. I take it from your telling us about you and Marina hanging up clothes in your backyard on the 22d of November that neither you nor she ever sent any laundry out for cleaning or washing.
Mrs. PAINE - No; and Lee brought his underwear and shirts to be washed at my house, and then Marina ironed his things and he would take clean things with him on Monday.

The owner of the Rooming house says that there was a Washeteria not very far away which Oswald seem to use when he didn't see his wife for some time or I guess for emergencies but otherwise Oswald still made his wife wash his clothes.

Mr. BALL. Let me ask you this: did he, that weekend, that was the weekend before the assassination, on a Saturday, make a trip to a place where they wash clothes?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Well, I think that he did go across to that washateria. I think he did.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him go any place, go out of the house except for that on that weekend?
Mrs. JOHNSON. That's the only time and I had just forgotten that but I do remember he carried some clothes out of that house that morning and the washateria is right across the street, less than a block.
Mr. BALL. But he left his room?
Mrs. JOHNSON. And he wasn't gone long and I didn't see him return with any clothes but I do know he was gone just about long enough to do a wash.







The list of items taken from Beckley street sensibly had Oswald's clothes contained in his room, so why would Oswald keep a solitary jacket at the Paine residence and limit himself to his other jacket, it doesn't make sense and if for whatever reason Oswald didn't end up shooting the President, why would he leave one of his jackets at the Paine's house and again limit himself to having one jacket for another week?





Oswald kept his clothes at the Beckley street rooming house because that is simply logical and wore the same jacket out to Irving and back to work. Leaving a jacket at the Paine's and then swapping his jacket and then leaving another jacket at the Paine's is a bit silly!

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 07:53:23 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Today at 06:33:04 AM
So Frazier AND Marina said the jacket Oswald wore to work on Friday was CE 162 the LIGHT GRAY jacket?

And CE 163, the Darker Blue Gray jacket was found in the Domino room TSBD?

So JohnM explanation is that we just can’t trust Marina or Fraziers perceptions therefore Oswald must have been wearing the CE  163 the blue gray jacket when he went to work?

So then Oswald left the TSBD after the shooting NOT wearing ANY jacket?

That would have to be the case if CE 162 was at the boarding house and CE 163 was found in the Domino room. ( exception would be that the CE 163 blue gray jacket was moved by DPD from presumably found at boarding house to the domino room a month later ,  which is even more bizzare.)

William Whaley the taxi driver said he saw Oswald wearing a jacket albeit a bit confusing how Whaley described the jacket.

Earlene Roberts compounds the problem by seeing Oswald just wearing a LIGHT colored shirt with long sleeves when he entered the boarding house.

NO WONDER it took 25 volumes of WC to explain the LN theory. 😳

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So Frazier AND Marina said the jacket Oswald wore to work on Friday was CE 162 the LIGHT GRAY jacket?

Marina doesn't remember the last time she saw CE163, which is odd considering that CT's believe that CE163 was at the house she was staying at for almost the last two weeks? She also didn't see Oswald get dressed that morning, so she hasn't a clue about what he was wearing.

Mr. RANKIN. When was the last time that you saw this jacket, Exhibit 163?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember seeing it on the morning of November 22, 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. The thing is that I saw Lee in the room, and I didn't see him getting dressed in the room. That is why it is difficult for me to say. But I told him to put on something warm on the way to work.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall whether the jacket, Exhibit 163, is something that he put on in your presence at any time that day?
Mrs. OSWALD. Not in my presence.

JohnM

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Gerry Down on Today at 07:12:56 AM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on Today at 07:02:33 AM
Groden would have seen the original Wiegman in the 1990s before the Prayerman theory was developed as far as I understand it. So Groden possibly never even looked for the Prayerman figure when he had the opportunity to do so.

Isn't Lovelady supposed to be walking down the elm street extension in the Wiegman/Darnell film? So no one is putting Lovelady at the doorway in the Wiegman film anyway.

This would mean that the only known living person to have viewed the original Wiegman film, Groden, quiet possibly never even looked at the figure in the doorway that later developed into the Prayerman theory.

Either that or he did look at the figure that would later become known as Prayerman and determined it was not Oswald and proceeded to mistake the figure as being Lovelady. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Gerry Down on Today at 07:02:33 AM »
Quote from: David Von Pein on Today at 06:09:18 AM
After watching the entire 47-minute video above, I find it really strange that we don't hear Bob Groden, at any point in the lengthy video, say a single word about the so-called "Prayer Man" figure in the TSBD doorway. Not a word. Bob only talks about the decades-old "Billy Lovelady / Doorway Man" controversy.

Based on the fact that Groden only brought up the topic of Lovelady as the man in the Depository doorway, I got the strong impression that Mr. Groden isn't even aware of the newer "Prayer Man" theory.

Is it possible that Bob actually thinks the reason that Jefferson Morley and others are so anxious to see the original versions of the Wiegman and Darnell films is to only focus on the Billy Lovelady figure in the films, rather than focus on the Prayer Man individual? Sure sounded that way to me in the above video interview. Very odd.

Groden would have seen the original Wiegman in the 1990s before the Prayerman theory was developed as far as I understand it. So Groden possibly never even looked for the Prayerman figure when he had the opportunity to do so.

Isn't Lovelady supposed to be walking down the elm street extension in the Wiegman/Darnell film? So no one is putting Lovelady at the doorway in the Wiegman film anyway.

This would mean that the only known living person to have viewed the original Wiegman film, Groden, quiet possibly never even looked at the figure in the doorway that later developed into the Prayerman theory.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by Gerry Down on Today at 06:55:01 AM »
Quote from: David Von Pein on Today at 06:09:18 AM
I'm also perplexed by this oddity that I noticed while watching the above video....

Why does Mr. Groden's DVD copy of his 1995 "Assassination Films" DVD display the Wiegman Film in a widescreen format? It was certainly not filmed in widescreen. It should be viewed in the proper 4x3 ratio, which is exactly how it is displayed on the version of Groden's DVD that I own. (The version I have was released by Delta Entertainment in 2003, but it has the exact same DVD menus and narration as Groden's original 1995 edition.)



Perhaps you just have a narrow TV 😅
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Podcast On Tippit
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 06:37:23 AM »
I would like to know if the emergency room clock at the hospital which Tippit was taken , was in sync with DPD radio dispatch clock or was the hospital clock 7 minutes slow relative to the  DOD clock?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Today at 06:33:04 AM »
So Frazier AND Marina said the jacket Oswald wore to work on Friday was CE 162 the LIGHT GRAY jacket?

And CE 163, the Darker Blue Gray jacket was found in the Domino room TSBD?

So JohnM explanation is that we just can’t trust Marina or Fraziers perceptions therefore Oswald must have been wearing the CE  163 the blue gray jacket when he went to work?

So then Oswald left the TSBD after the shooting NOT wearing ANY jacket?

That would have to be the case if CE 162 was at the boarding house and CE 163 was found in the Domino room. ( exception would be that the CE 163 blue gray jacket was moved by DPD from presumably found at boarding house to the domino room a month later ,  which is even more bizzare.)

William Whaley the taxi driver said he saw Oswald wearing a jacket albeit a bit confusing how Whaley described the jacket.

Earlene Roberts compounds the problem by seeing Oswald just wearing a LIGHT colored shirt with long sleeves when he entered the boarding house.

NO WONDER it took 25 volumes of WC to explain the LN theory. 😳
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 34, with Steve Barber on the Acoustics Evidenc
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 06:32:17 AM »
Quote from: Sean Kneringer on Yesterday at 08:11:58 PM
Steve is the only man in America who bought those dirty magazines not for the photos.
Steve Wonder?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Mitch Todd on Today at 06:22:06 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Today at 04:24:32 AM
              Right there 1:00. Who do you think that cop is talking to inside Sawyer's car on the Nat Geo snippet? He not talking to Morgan Freeman, "Driving Miss Daisy".
A snip of film showing Euins in the car at 1:00 only means that Euins entered the the car at some point before that snippet was taken. That's all it will tell you. Euins presence in the car in that shot does not tell you how long Euins had been in the car prior. He could have sat down into the warm vinyl seat one minute before or five minutes before or ten minutes before or twenty minutes before. This isn't hard to understand.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
« Last post by David Von Pein on Today at 06:09:18 AM »
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After watching the entire 47-minute video above, I find it really strange that we don't hear Bob Groden, at any point in the lengthy video, say a single word about the so-called "Prayer Man" figure in the TSBD doorway. Not a word. Bob only talks about the decades-old "Billy Lovelady / Doorway Man" controversy.

Based on the fact that Groden only brought up the topic of Lovelady as the man in the Depository doorway, I got the strong impression that Mr. Groden isn't even aware of the newer "Prayer Man" theory.

Is it possible that Bob actually thinks the reason that Jefferson Morley and others are so anxious to see the original versions of the Wiegman and Darnell films is to only focus on the Billy Lovelady figure in the films, rather than focus on the Prayer Man individual? Sure sounded that way to me in the above video interview. Very odd.

I'm also perplexed by this oddity that I noticed while watching the above video....

Why does Mr. Groden's DVD copy of his 1995 "Assassination Films" DVD display the Wiegman Film in a widescreen format? It was certainly not filmed in widescreen. It should be viewed in the proper 4x3 ratio, which is exactly how it is displayed on the version of Groden's DVD that I own. (The version I have was released by Delta Entertainment in 2003, but it has the exact same DVD menus and narration as Groden's original 1995 edition.)


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