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Not surprisingly, when a PSE polygraph analysis was done on a recording of Officer Bentley repeating his belated claim that he found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station, the PSE showed hard stress, a clear indication he was lying.

As mentioned, Bentley said nothing about finding any Hidell ID card on Oswald in his 12/3/1963 report to Chief Curry:

On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)

Bentley was interviewed at around 3:30 PM on WFAA-TV, barely two hours after Oswald's arrest. He told the gathered reporters that he removed Oswald's wallet from his rear pocket and found identification in the wallet for "Lee Harvey Oswald." He said nothing about any other name or any Hidell ID card.

Another police officer who rode in the car with Oswald on the way to the police station was Sgt. Gerald Hill. In his description of the arrest and transfer of Oswald to the police station on NBC TV on 11/22/1963, just a few hours after the event, Hill specified that they identified Oswald as "Lee H. Oswald" after removing his wallet ("billfold"):

Hill: The only way we found out what his name was was to remove his billfold and check it ourselves; he wouldn't even tell us what his name was. . . .

Question: What was the name on the billfold?

Hill: Lee H. Oswald. O-S-W-A-L-D. (CE 2160)
 

Not a word about any other name or any Hidell ID card.

The same silence about finding any Hidell ID card on Oswald on the way to the police station is seen in the first reports submitted by Officers Bob Carroll and C.T. Walker, both of whom rode in the police car with with Bentley and Hill when Oswald was taken to the police station (CE 2003, pp. 81-82, 91, and 100-101).

Significantly, Justice of the Peace David Johnston seemed to know nothing about Oswald using the Hidell alias or about the finding of a Hidell ID card for at least 24 hours after Oswald was arrested. Johnston issued the search warrant for the search of Oswald's boarding house, spent the next 12 hours "in conference" with police and prosecutors, and presided over two of Oswald's arraignment hearings. In his handwritten report (Johnston Exhibit No. 1), after listing Oswald's name and other information, Johnston wrote that Oswald used the alias "O.H. Lee": "Alias—0.H. Lee." Not a word about a Hidell alias or a Hidell ID card.

Similarly, FBI Agents James Bookhout and James Hosty said nothing about the use of the Hidell alias or the finding of a Hidell ID card in their reports on the Friday interrogation sessions of Oswald (Warren Report, pp. 612-613, 619-620). Hosty and Bookout mentioned that Oswald was asked about the O.H. Lee alias, but said nothing about his being asked about any other alias. Bookhout mentioned the Hidell ID card for the first time in his report on the Saturday interrogation session (Warren Report, p. 623).

Against the clear weight of the contemporaneous evidence that authorities knew nothing about a Hidell ID card until Saturday afternoon, i.e., the afternoon of 11/23/1963, WC apologists cite FBI agent Manning Clements' report, dated 11/23/1963, in which Manning claimed he interrogated Oswald on Friday night and found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet.

Say what?! How could this be? Bentley said he took Oswald's wallet from him during the car ride to the police station, and that he gave the Oswald ID to Lt. Baker when they arrived at the station. Let's read Bentley's 12/3/1963 report again: 

On the way to the city hall I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name. He made several remarks en route to the city hall about police brutality and denied shooting anybody. . . . I turned his identification over to Lieutenant Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest. (CE 2003, p. 78)

Moreover, DPD detective Richard Sims said he searched Oswald at 4:05 PM on Friday and did not find a wallet or any ID cards (7 H 180). Well, of course not, because Oswald's wallet and its contents, including his ID card, had already been confiscated and booked into evidence:

Mr. STERN. Now, the search in which you participated of Oswald at 4:05 on Friday, just before the first showup [police lineup] -- you have told us that either you or Mr. Boyd found five live rounds of .38 caliber pistol shells, and a bus transfer slip, and an identification bracelet, according to your memorandum -- Oswald took his ring off and gave it to you?

Mr. SIMS. That’s right.

Mr. STERN. Do you recall that?

Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.

Mr. STERN. Do you remember anything else that was found on Oswald at that time?

Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don’t remember anything else.

Mr. STERN. A wallet or identification card?

Mr. SIMS. No, sir; that had been taken off of him (7 H 180).
 

Now, leaving aside the preposterous notion that the previous searches of Oswald had somehow "missed" five bullets and a bus transfer slip, we see that by 4:05 PM on Friday Oswald of course no longer had his wallet, which is why Sims found no wallet or ID on him when he searched him. So FBI agent Clements was obviously lying when he said he found a Hidell ID card on Oswald on Friday night, hours after Sims had searched Oswald and hours after Oswald's wallet and its contents had already been confiscated.

Months after Oswald's arrest, some police officers claimed that a Hidell ID card was found in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station and that the Hidell ID was seen at the station after Oswald arrived, while some federal agents claimed that they saw a Hidell ID card on Friday after Oswald was arrested and that they questioned him about his Hidell alias that afternoon or evening. But the contemporaneous record, with the sole exception of FBI agent Clements' fraudulent report, shows that authorities seemed to know nothing about the Hidell alias or the Hidell ID card until some 24 hours after Oswald's arrest, i.e., only after the FBI "discovered" that the supposed murder weapon had been ordered under the name "A. Hidell."

As mentioned, Bentley's PSE chart showed hard stress when he claimed he found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station.

I should add three more points:

One, in that same recorded interview, Bentley also claimed that he and the other officers in the car radioed in to report they had a suspect in the Tippit shooting and gave the names Oswald and Hidell, and that when they did this they were informed by police HQ that their suspect was also a suspect in JFK's death.

Two, Bentley's PSE chart also showed hard stress when he made this claim. "Hard stress" is the maximum/strongest indicator of falsehood.

Three, the transcript of police radio transmissions made during Oswald's car ride to the police station do not contain any transmissions from Bentley and the other officers about the name Hidell, nor do they contain any transmissions from police HQ that say Oswald was also a suspect in the shooting of JFK.

These facts, coupled with the contemporaneous evidence that officials knew nothing about the Hidell alias until the afternoon of 11/23/1963, show there was a deliberate effort to create a false record that a Hidell ID card was found on Oswald during his car ride to the police station.     

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This just shows what a dishonest juvenile you are. No, your misuse of the term "fragmented bullet" is not "far more accurate" than my fact-based term "misshapen bullet." 

Explain why.
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The only "silly word game" here is your misleading use of the term "fragmented bullet." Two fragments that make up less than half the mass of a bullet are not a "fragmented bullet." But you can't even muster up the maturity and honesty to admit this self-evident fact.

The only thing self-evident is that your are playing games with semantics. CE399 lost a few tiny fragments of lead from its core yet is still called a bullet. How much material has to be missing from a bullet before it stops being a bullet?
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The only time it would be valid to use the term "fragmented bullet" would be in a case when a bullet fragmented and when all of the bullet's fragments were recovered. The two limo fragments do not even come close to meeting this requirement.

So you have appointed yourself the semantics arbiter.
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I see you are also still peddling the dubious talking point that the limo fragments were "positively matched to the rifle found in the TSBD [uh-huh, through the disputed method of ballistic matching]." Yeah, never mind that NAA testing found that those fragments could have come from other bullets besides the ones Oswald used; never mind that no chain of evidence was cooked up for those fragments until several weeks later; never mind that ballistic matching has come under increasing attack from the scientific community; never mind that ballistic matching has been found to be unreliable in a number of cases; and never mind that those fragments are more severely bent than any of the fragments from the WC's headshot wound-ballistics test.

What the hell does NAA testing have to do with matching a bullet to a rifle? They are two entirely different processes. Ballistics matching has long been accepted as valid evidence by our courts and VSA has not, yet you treat the latter as if it is empirical evidence and dismiss the former which has long been accepted by our criminal courts. Of course you do. You're a silly JFKA CT. It's what you do.

Here are several articles explaining the lack of validity of VSA:

https://liedetectortest.com/alert/voice-stress-analysis-vsa-why-it-is-not-a-lie-detector
https://scienceinsights.org/what-a-voice-stress-analysis-test-actually-measures/
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/221502.pdf

Even proponents of VSA recognize questions must be structured correctly for the test to have validity:

https://www.cji.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Using_Technology_to_Separate_Truth_from_Lies.pdf

"The questions asked during a CVSA exam can not be formulated haphazardly.  The need for appropriately structured questions was noted by John Larson in the early 1900s, and its importance is still recognized (National Research Council, 2003, p. 296).  In the NITV operating manual, at the beginning of the chapter entitled “Question Formulation & Test Formats”, they have a warning that states “If the question formulation criteria outlined in this chapter are not followed, errors in analysis of charts will [emphasis added] be made” "

The questions Oswald responded to were not at all structured and therefore of no use for VSA purposes.

I do want to correct a misstatement I made earlier. I said the Justice Department had rejected VSA testing. It was actually a report by the National Institute of Justice. My bad.
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Yeah, just never mind those facts, right?

You don't seem to know the difference between factoids and facts.
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The only reading of the FBI memo that makes any sense is to read it as a reference to the misshapen bullet that Chiefs Mills and Martinell found and handed over to Dr. Young at the autopsy. No FBI or SS agent ever claimed to have found a bullet in JFK's limo while it was being transported on the Lockheed C-130 military cargo plane from Dallas to DC or when the limo was in the White House garage, and no subsequent FBI or SS memo identified the two limo fragments as the "bullet" mentioned in the 11/22/1963 FBI memo.

Neither Mills nor Martinell said they turned a bullet over to Dr. Young. None of the prosectors reported receiving a bullet during the autopsy. Apparently, that was a misunderstanding on the part of Young or a false memory developed over several decades. It would make no sense at all for such evidence to be turned over to the medical team. A bullet or bullet fragment should have been turned over to the FBI crime lab for analysis and that is what was done with the bullet fragments found in the limo. Only bone fragments were sent to Bethesda and that is how it should have been.
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On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 51, Gary O'Brien on Lee Harvey Oswald's Politics

It was a pleasure to talk with Gary O'Brien, who also lives in Ottawa, about his book, Oswald's Politics.

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Given that the second official investigation into the JFKA, he HCA 1979, concluded there was likely a conspiracy to assassinate JFK...tracking LHO and his connections is basic detective work.

Since nobody knew there was going to be a motorcade in Dallas, where it was going to be routed, and that it would be routed past a building that Oswald didn't even work at yet, why would anybody think any of Oswald's activities in Mexico City had any connection to the JFKA?
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Given that the second official investigation into the JFKA, he HCA 1979, concluded there was likely a conspiracy to assassinate JFK...tracking LHO and his connections is basic detective work.




What does any of this have to do with the JFKA?
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The men are Lovelady & Shelley.
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It isn't deceptive to people with common sense. I guess that leaves you out.

No whole bullet was found in the limo. Only bullet fragments. It doesn't require Sherlock Holmes to figure out that fragmented bullet was the one that struck JFK in the head. The two largest fragments had sufficient size and markings to be positively matched to the rifle found in the TSBD. Of course that means nothing to you, but again, people with common sense can figure out how significant that is.

This is just the kind of moronic word game internet trolls are fond of playing. Anybody who isn't anal can understand that fragmented bullet and bullet fragments mean the same thing. Again, that leaves you out. I used the term fragmented bullet to describe the fragments found in the limo and you chose the term misshapen bullet. The term I used is far more accurate. It refers to a bullet that was not in one piece. Your terminology implies what was found in the limo was still in one piece. It most certainly was not and you know it. Just more of your silly word games.

This just shows what a dishonest juvenile you are. No, your misuse of the term "fragmented bullet" is not "far more accurate" than my fact-based term "misshapen bullet."   

The only "silly word game" here is your misleading use of the term "fragmented bullet." Two fragments that make up less than half the mass of a bullet are not a "fragmented bullet." But you can't even muster up the maturity and honesty to admit this self-evident fact. 

The only time it would be valid to use the term "fragmented bullet" would be in a case when a bullet fragmented and when all of the bullet's fragments were recovered. The two limo fragments do not even come close to meeting this requirement.

I see you are also still peddling the dubious talking point that the limo fragments were "positively matched to the rifle found in the TSBD [uh-huh, through the disputed method of ballistic matching]." Yeah, never mind that NAA testing found that those fragments could have come from other bullets besides the ones Oswald used; never mind that no chain of evidence was cooked up for those fragments until several weeks later; never mind that ballistic matching has come under increasing attack from the scientific community; never mind that ballistic matching has been found to be unreliable in a number of cases; and never mind that those fragments are more severely bent than any of the fragments from the WC's headshot wound-ballistics test.

Yeah, just never mind those facts, right?

The only reading of the FBI memo that makes any sense is to read it as a reference to the misshapen bullet that Chiefs Mills and Martinell found and handed over to Dr. Young at the autopsy. No FBI or SS agent ever claimed to have found a bullet in JFK's limo while it was being transported on the Lockheed C-130 military cargo plane from Dallas to DC or when the limo was in the White House garage, and no subsequent FBI or SS memo identified the two limo fragments as the "bullet" mentioned in the 11/22/1963 FBI memo.
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The FBI did not even enter the case until Saturday when LBJ ordered them to take over the investigation from the DPD. The order was of questionable legality given the assassination at the time was a state crime, not federal. It was obvious from the presser where Chief Curry announced the decision he was not at all happy about it.

   You continue being an absolute "Fountain Of Misinformation". Who do you think took possession of the Carcano Rifle and other evidence the night of 11/22/63? Try doing some actual research and looking into Vincent Drain.
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As I hope is obvious, I meant to type "No SS agent claimed to find a bullet in the limo." I have fixed the typo in the reply.

I see that Corbett is still peddling his nonsensical claim that the FBI memo is referring to the two relatively small bullet fragments that were found in the limo when it was searched while in the White House garage. I see Corbett is also still trying to mislead readers with his deceptive misuse of the term "fragmented bullet":

It isn't deceptive to people with common sense. I guess that leaves you out.

No whole bullet was found in the limo. Only bullet fragments. It doesn't require Sherlock Holmes to figure out that fragmented bullet was the one that struck JFK in the head. The two largest fragments had sufficient size and markings to be positively matched to the rifle found in the TSBD. Of course that means nothing to you, but again, people with common sense can figure out how significant that is.
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This is another example of Corbett's habit of repeating claims that he knows are false. I have proven to him several times that the Secret Service did not find a "fragmented bullet" in the limo but only two fragments, part of a nose and part of a tail, that constituted less than half the mass of a standard rifle bullet. Moreover, those two fragments were found at the opposite end of the limo from where Mills and Martinell found the misshapen bullet that they handed over to Dr. Young at the autopsy.

The two bullet fragments that the Secret Service claimed were found in the limo are CE 567 and CE 569. CE 567 is part of the nose of a bullet and weighs only 41.5 grains, and CE 569 is part of the tail of a bullet and weighs only 21 grains, for a combined weight of 62.5 grains, which is less than half the weight of the average rifle bullet. Standard rifle bullets weigh between 150 and 180 grains; a WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullet weighs 160.8 grains. It is simply dishonest and misleading to refer to those two fragments as a "fragmented bullet."

It makes no sense to claim that the FBI memo refers to those two relatively small fragments. No rational person would describe those fragments as a "bullet" when they amounted to less than half the mass of a rifle bullet. I should add that no subsequent FBI or SS memo claimed that those two fragments were the "bullet" mentioned in the 11/22/1963 FBI memo.

The most logical reading of the FBI memo is that it is referring to the misshapen bullet that Chiefs Mills and Martinell found in the limo when they searched it in the White House garage while looking for skull fragments.

This is just the kind of moronic word game internet trolls are fond of playing. Anybody who isn't anal can understand that fragmented bullet and bullet fragments mean the same thing. Again, that leaves you out. I used the term fragmented bullet to describe the fragments found in the limo and you chose the term misshapen bullet. The term I used is far more accurate. It refers to a bullet that was not in one piece. Your terminology implies what was found in the limo was still in one piece. It most certainly was not and you know it. Just more of your silly word games.
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So SS agent claimed to find a bullet in the limo.

As I hope is obvious, I meant to type "No SS agent claimed to find a bullet in the limo." I have fixed the typo in the reply.

I see that Corbett is still peddling his nonsensical claim that the FBI memo is referring to the two bullet fragments that were found in the limo when it was searched while in the White House garage. I see Corbett is also still trying to mislead readers with his deceptive misuse of the term "fragmented bullet":

No it sounds like the Secret Service search of the limo in Washington that night, a search that discovered the fragmented bullet that had struck JFK in the head. The memo specifically stated the Secret Service had searched the limo for bullets. Do you really think Landis did that?

This is another example of Corbett's habit of repeating claims that he knows are false. I have proven to him several times that the Secret Service did not find a "fragmented bullet" in the limo but only two fragments, part of a nose and part of a tail, that constituted less than half the mass of a standard rifle bullet. Moreover, those two fragments were found at the opposite end of the limo from where Mills and Martinell found the misshapen bullet that they handed over to Dr. Young at the autopsy.

The two bullet fragments that the Secret Service claimed were found in the limo are CE 567 and CE 569. CE 567 is part of the nose of a bullet and weighs only 41.5 grains, and CE 569 is part of the tail of a bullet and weighs only 21 grains, for a combined weight of 62.5 grains, which is less than half the weight of the average rifle bullet. Standard rifle bullets weigh between 150 and 180 grains; a WCC 6.5 mm FMJ bullet weighs 160.8 grains. It is simply dishonest and misleading to refer to those two fragments as a "fragmented bullet."

The only time it would be valid to use the term "fragmented bullet" would be in a case when a bullet fragmented and when all of the bullet's fragments were recovered. The two limo fragments do not even come close to meeting this requirement, not to mention the fact that those fragments appear to have struck something harder than skull bone.

It makes no sense to claim that the FBI memo refers to those two fragments. No rational person would describe those fragments as a "bullet" when they amounted to less than half the mass of a rifle bullet. I should add that no subsequent FBI or SS memo claimed that those two fragments were the "bullet" mentioned in the 11/22/1963 FBI memo.

The most logical reading of the FBI memo is that it is referring to the misshapen bullet that Chiefs Mills and Martinell found in the limo when they searched it in the White House garage while looking for skull fragments.

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