JFK Assassination Forum

It's funny how Rosemary Willis is STILL not looking at JFK and Jackie in Z-207, but is STILL looking back towards that doggone TSBD!

I wonder why the heck THAT is?

Dear Comrade Storing,

Get it straight.

10.2 seconds, not "11 + seconds"

-- Tom

PS Do you think the Secret Service was part of the evil, evil, evil "Deep State Conspiracy"?

On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 26 with Brian Roselle

A very interesting look at the timing of Oswald's first shot.

Tom Alyea's view from the 7th floor.

And eye-witness/ear-witness testimony corroborated by photographic evidence trumps your childish interpretation of people in a motorcade turning their heads.
Remember, the statements of Ready, Landis and Hickey, about their responses to the first shot, are corroborated by Altgens 6:

Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."

Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "


In effect, all three are stating that, as a result of the sound of the first shot, they turn to face the direction the shot came from - the TSBD building - which is to their right and rear. However, when we analyse the Z-film we don't see this movement. We see all three agents until Z207 (shown below) and we do not see any of the agents turning to their right rear in response to a shot coming from their right rear - the direction we would expect a shot from the SN to come from;



Fortunately, we do have photographic evidence of these three agents making their immediate turns to the right rear in response to the "explosion" of the first shot:



Here we have the recollections of a group of witnesses corroborated by photographic evidence.
This is how the testimonial and photographic record should be used to determine when the first shot happened.
Even the recollections of your own "prime witnesses" refute the early first shot nonsense you are proposing!

The fact remains that Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce have shown that Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133,


Your Denial is becoming legendary.
As you know, earlier in this thread I made the point to Brian that, as an attempt to pin down the first shot, his 'study' was invalidated because he started by assuming there was a first shot. To which he agreed;

ME: "I stated that one of the two main reasons that your theory has failed is because, rather than trying to pin down when the first shot occurred, you have assumed there was an early first shot and have looked for evidence of this assumed early first shot in the Z-film."

BRIAN: "I suppose I have to agree with you that at some point I formed a hypothesis that the first shot was early, and then followed up looking for evidence."

Brian started his study by assuming the conclusion of the study. This invalidates your precious study as a way of determining when the first shot occurred.
In contrast, this thread contains a mountain of evidence demonstrating that the first shot took place around z222/z223.
This is the shot that passes through both JFK and JBC and causes JFK to react so extremely.
Do yourself a favour and do some research on this matter.

44 witnesses describing JFK reacting to the first shot who all refute your early shot.
10 witnesses in the Vice Presidential and Vice Presidential follow-on cars who all refute your early shot.
Even your own "prime witnesses" who refute your early shot.
And your beloved 'study' invalidated.
  poor little tommy.