JFK Assassination Forum

  Hey John - Have you viewed the higher def Current Z Film(s) posted on You Tube? I have 1 that I prefer, and it clearly shows JFK being HIT with such force that he is PROPELLED BACKWARD into the backrest. JFK is hit with such force the he literally bounces off of the backrest and then falls to the (L) like a tree that has just been cut down.
                  We can argue the bona fides of the Current Z Film, but even hi def copies of that clearly display the impact of a Front (R) shot. The lower def Z Film copies are like watching anything on an old SD Broadcast/TV. Just think back to the stark difference between broadcast SD vs HD. This is why Bart Kamp continues gaining attention. He is posting better definition images. The Current Z Film images being posted on this Forum are outdated. Even the Z Film images that you are posting has all kinds of crappola consistently flying through it. That's a dead giveaway that this "material" dates way back.
                     

  Hey John - Have you viewed the higher def Current Z Film(s) posted on You Tube? I have 1 that I prefer, and it clearly shows JFK being HIT with such force that he is PROPELLED BACKWARD into the backrest. JFK is hit with such force the he literally bounces off of the backrest and then falls to the (L) like a tree that has just been cut down.

JohnC is right, you've been watching too much Dirty Harry, real life isn't a Hollywood movie.

All these Soldiers were struck in the head with FMJ bullets and not one soldier is forcefully propelled forward and in fact not even one falls forward, they simply crumple straight down and fall back towards the shooters.



Mythbusters had multiple men firing into a pig carcass and it barely moved.

The Current Z Film images being posted on this Forum are outdated. Even the Z Film images that you are posting has all kinds of crappola consistently flying through it. That's a dead giveaway that this "material" dates way back.

So you think the closest images that we have to what's on the actual Zapruder Film is outdated but your digitally enhanced Zapruder Frames which obscures detail and is not much better than being covered with Vaseline is the Gold standard, Interesting!

JohnM

TG--

Was State Department'er in Moscow Richard Snyder a semi-witting participant in the KGB-Solie-LHO conspiracy to get LHO into the Russia?

Did Snyder, given his role in the aforesaid conspiracy, decide to never tell the truth about any hints or suggestions he received from Solie? Mum is the word?

Was Snyder himself yet another KGB asset? After all, he was stationed in Moscow, and they surely tried to flip him.

   And you also forgot the HSCA "4th shot". This is what happens when you present only hand picked portions of a story. That story is quickly dismantled piece-by-piece.

And Amos Euins said he heard 4 shots. He is a major close up witness who not only heard the shots but was looking AT the shooter AS the shooter fired the rifle.

And  Amos said the shooter was sticking the rifle OUT the window and yet Amos saw no scope on the rifle.

But Arnold Rowland from a block away , DID see a scope on the rifle in the hands of some person at the SW 6th floor at 12:15.

Eagle Eye Rowland  however completely missed seeing the SE window shooter sticking a rifle out the window while Amos was watching the shooter at 12:30.

So these witness DRIVE me crazy lolz

TG-

In your conspiracy theory, what mechanisms or carrots did Bruce Solie use to induce Lee Harvey Oswald to suddenly quit the Marines, not that long before he would have received a discharge anyway, and try to enter Russia?

[The opportunity to live out his “I Led Three or Four Lives” fantasy?]

Who is a likely “cut-out” between Solie and LHO? How did LHO and Solie communicate?

[How much communication do you think was necessary?]

In your theorizing, did Solie coordinate with the KGB on allowing LHO into Russia?

[Letting it know he was coming is “coordinating”?]

If so, was the whole phony LHO wrist-slitting in the hot bath-tub drama a staged event, to make it appear to other CIA’ers that LHO was a “earnest” defector and a nut, and not a de facto KGB asset?

[One wrist or two? — the Botkin Hospital records and his “Historic Diary” contradict each other on this issue]

In other words, Solie, LHO and the KGB scrumptiously conspired to trick Angleton and others?

[Maybe, maybe not]

When LHO went to the Mexico City Russian Embassy [Consulate] in Sept. 1963, did LHO know he was meeting KGB officers? Had Solie advised him on that matter?

[What makes you think real-deal Oswald went to the Soviet Consulate?]

What is your theory on that?

[Should I have one?]

Dear "BC,"

I'm sorry, but I don't have a theory on everything.

Should I?

Neither do I know what Lee "I Led Four Lives" Oswald had for breakfast on 16 October 1959 -- the day he arrived in Moscow and the day that GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov -- whose "U-2 Mole" Oswald was ostensibly trying to root out -- just happened to be publicly arrested after having been secretly arrested eleven months earlier and "played back" against the CIA in such a way that made it seem he'd been uncovered, not due to a mole in the CIA, but due to sloppy tradecraft by the Agency (specifically, George Winters) and superior KGB surveillance.

While I'm trying to figure out the answers to your questions, please look into Bruce Leonard Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and Russia-born George Kisevalter (the guy who claimed in April 1958 that Popov told him he'd heard a drunken GRU colonel brag at a New Year's Eve party that the Kremlin had all of the top-secret specifications of the U-2 spy plane), won't you?

And also try to figure out why someone in the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (where Solie was Deputy Chief) arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics to have all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming "defection" sent to it instead of where they would normally go -- The Soviet Russia Division.

Thanks!

-- "TG"

PS “Conspiracy theory”?

Are you suggesting that the world-class humanitarian organization formerly known as the KGB does conspiracies?

Perish the thought!

Had I been on the jury in the Clay Shaw trial, I would have voted not guilty. I have not however read the Garrison book On the Trail of the Assassins and base this verdict on the Oliver Stone movie JFK, which is entertaining but for a large part speculation and fantasy.

Garrison lied in his 1988 book, On the Trail of the Assassins, when he said he didn't find out until after the 1969 trial that the (Communist-owned) Italian newspaper Paese Sera had published an article three days after he had arrested Clay Shaw in March 1967 (on suspicion of having masterminded a homosexual thrill-kill assassination of JFK!!!), which alleged that Shaw was a CIA agent and that he had tried to help it reinstate Fascism in Italy in the 1950s!!!

Factoid: Joan Mellen's ex-husband, far-left Ralph Schoenman (who was far-left Bertran Russell's secretary in London) had provided Garrison in 1967 with a translated-into-English knockoff version of the story that was published in the far-left French newspaper, L' Humanite.

Our very own Gary "Snideness" Aguilar debated Max Holland on this issue several years ago on C-Span and tried to destroy Holland's argument by pointing out that a far-left French newspaper had published an article on the 1961 "Generals' Plot" a day or two before Paese Sera had.

LOL!

https://www.c-span.org/program/american-history-tv/warren-report-the-garrison-investigation/136882