JFK Assassination Forum

   ROBIN - I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?
                I believe I have matched your posted Darnell frame, with the same Darnell frame from the Darnell film posted on You Tube by - SixthFloorMuseum. The You Tube still frame shows open space behind the man's head on the (R) side. It also shows the entire license plate on the front end of the car on the extreme (L).

ROBIN - "I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?"

No i posted the film frame as I found it.

Here is the film GIF.

 https://app.box.com/s/6c53fk2dbdq5d5enwjde2c0bs1ahn10f

The Z-film puts it about 1.5 seconds later. I'm going with that.

Do you mean your interpretation of the zfilm or what is unequivocally displayed in the zfilm?

JBC's right side was directly in line with the exit wound in JFK's throat. You make the same mistake the CTs do in assuming JBC was seated directly in front of JFK.

No. I put JBC to the left of JFK by 10-20 cm or 4-8 inches which is what Itek Corp. determined:



The problem is that the wound in JBC’s back was 20 cm right of JBC’s midline putting the back wound directly in front of JFK’s midline but no farther left:



At z220 the angle from the SN to the car direction was at least 12 degrees. A bullet through JFK exiting a tad left of his midline (to the left side of the tie knot) on a right to left angle of 12 degrees would have traveled farther left before reaching JBC. With the plane of JBC’s back being at least 24 inches from JFK’s exit wound, this means the bullet had to have gone left another 24tan12=5.1 inches before striking JBC. That puts it 5.1 inches left of where the wound was.  And that is assuming the maximum offset of the two men.

It would require a magic bullet for the bullet exiting JFK's throat to hit JBC on his left side.

At z193 the angle through JFK was about 16 degrees:


So the bullet would have passed about 7 inches farther left, ie. 1 inch left of JBC’s spine. If JBC was a few inches farther ahead or less than 6 inches (4 is within the Itek margin) left of JFK, it could have passed 3-4 inches left of JBC’s spine. With JBC turned right as he was at z193 it would have missed the back entirely.  One can easily see how the bullet through JFK goes to JBC’s left side in the Secret Service film recreation:
. No magic required!

Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package

If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.

Now I could easily believe   that a self avowed Marxist whom was a traitor to his country after taking vows as a USMC soldier and defected to the USSR could be a liar.

However whatever was stated by Oswald in private interviews which were not camera recorded or voice recorded and without attorney present, is subject to reasonable doubt.

I agree with JohnMs main premise  that Oswald’s actions are “strange” but I’m not sure that constitutes a conclusion of guilt for shooting Tippit or indicative of preplanned assassination of JFK.

One example of “strange “ behavior that is counter to what one would expect of a guy carrying a rifle is that Oswald did not immediately take the package out of Fraziers car and start walking to the TSBD. According to  Fraziers WC testimony , Oswald waited  by a fence with the package in hand for several minutes while Frazier ran the engine of his car apparently because his battery was weak or his alternator wasn’t charging the battery enough.

The only other examples  which MIGHT be interpreted as evidence of lies  are the 2 the camera recordings of Oswald:

A. When asked in the hallway the specific question “Did you shoot the President”? Oswald’s answer was “I didn’t shoot anybody” which indicates possibly a subconscious presumption he’s being asked about shooting Tippit also.

B. At the midnight conference, when asked again “Did you shoot the President? Oswald’s initial answer was “Nobody has charged me with that yet”  and “ I really don’t know what this is all about”, after which statements Oswald must have recalled his  earlier hallway answer , and corrected himself by saying “The first I heard of it was when I was asked by a reporter”.

 So Oswald trying to pretend : “I don’t  know what this is  all about “ realized too late that he DID know what it’s all about because he just earlier had answered that he hadn’t shot ANYBODY. And he also had stated that “they”were taking him in because  he had lived in the USSR and that he was just a patsy.

Since many CTs , (myself included 🙄 ) were all too willing to believe FBI agent Hosty note that  Oswald had gone outside to watch the P.Parade, then it might be evidence that Oswald  lied since the “Prayerman” figure has been reasonably concluded NOT to be Oswald.

Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package

If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.

Thanks Zeon, by Oswald's immediate actions, he clearly didn't want to be standing around holding his very conspicuous large brown paper package, so hid it away in Frazier's car. He already explained to Frazier the previous day that the package contained Curtain Rods so he didn't need to hide it from Frazier specifically but who knows how many witnesses may have seen him waiting for Frazier, like neighbours, Linnie Mae, anyone! He was trying to keep as many eyes off the package as reasonably possible. Obviously the problem was trying to get the package into the building, do it first thing in the morning?, go back a little later?
Oswald ended up getting it done as soon as possible and by his decision to quickly move into the TSBD at a pace far greater than Frazier, indicates he meant business!
In Frazier's testimony, Oswald waited at the relative safe cyclone fence till Frazier got out of the car, and I wonder what was going through Oswald's mind?
Should Oswald appear to be inconspicuous and wait for Frazier and keep their standard procedure and walk together?
Should Oswald just walk off quickly and risk it?
Should Oswald put the rifle package back in the car and get it later?
Was he scouting the area and waiting for as few people as possible to be outside?
As I said it's impossible to know what the psychotic Oswald was thinking and why he did what he did, but one thing is extremely clear, when the opportunity arose he got into the building as quick as he could!

When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept waking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb4.htm

JohnM

Could you please try to stay out the conversation when two grown ups are having a conversation.

David Von Pein is one. Who's the other?

Darnell Frame:

   ROBIN - I have a question regarding the still frame above. (1) Did you crop this still frame a tad on both the (L) & (R) sides?
                I believe I have matched your posted Darnell frame, with the same Darnell frame from the Darnell film posted on You Tube by - SixthFloorMuseum. The You Tube still frame shows open space behind the man's head on the (R) side. It also shows the entire license plate on the front end of the car on the extreme (L).