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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:41:00 AM »
I don't see any evidence that [Oswald] took an early shot that missed the entire car. One can't second-guess something that didn't happen.

Lacking a chunk of asphalt's being kicked up and captured on film, or a body's flopping around wounded on the ground, the only evidence you're going to get is the fact that all five passengers in the limo moved their heads quickly -- and in different directions -- within half-a-second of each other between Z-140 and Z-150, that Ready, Bennett and Hickey all gyrated in different directions during the same timeframe, and that Rosemary Willis interrupted her once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to view Jackie and JFK up-close to turn her head farther to her right and in the direction of the TSBD in Z-141.

Oh yeah, and the fact that several people reported hearing a very early "backfire" or "firecracker."

Oh yeah, and that JBC heard a very early high-powered rifle shot.

Hint: that's why, after turning his head quickly to his left starting in Z-150, he turned it quickly back to his far right starting in Z-164 in a futile attempt to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder.


That's "D'oh ....... D'oh! ........ D'oh!," not "D'oh! ......... D'oh! D'oh!"
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Trump's biggest mistake during COVID was getting duped by the establishment in believing Fauci knew what he was doing.  That was just a Trojan horse to undermine the entire response either through incompetence or complicity.  I don't think we will ever know if Fauci was complicit in the origination of the virus and actively covered up his involvement.   At the end of the day, he may simply have been an incompetent lifelong bureaucrat who was in over his head.  The harm done, however, was enormous.  Not only economic but undermining the trust of the public in the medical community. 
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Not everyone is blessed with a perfect memory like yours, Stormtrooper Storing.

   Are you claiming that Euins simply forgot: (1) walking down the (S) side of Elm St, (2) crossing Elm St, and (3) going back inside the parking lot/railroad yard?  Euins was a teenager on 11/22/63. If you have raised a teenager, did you let them getaway with memory loss of this magnitude? Use your own life experience when appraising situations such as this.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 01:10:32 AM »
I am not second guessing anything.  I don't see any evidence that he took an early shot that missed the entire car. One can't second-guess something that didn't happen.

You were suggesting he had nothing to lose by taking an early first shot at a difficult angle and making subsequent shots more difficult - rather than taking all the time he needed to line up a much easier first shot, and possibly three later shots, with the rifle strapped to him and resting on boxes. 

He had everything to lose by taking a risky early shot.  Unlike a hockey or soccer player, he was limited to four shots.  A wasted bullet would alert everyone to a shot several seconds before he would have a chance to take another shot.  Then he would have a difficult time scrambling to line up the next shot in an entirely different direction and then getting the last three shots off as the car went down the street.  That may be why there is no evidence that he did that.  In fact there is abundant evidence that he didn't.

If he had taken a first shot as the car passed in front of the TSBD and then setup the rifle for a down-street shot, Dearie Cabell, Howard Brennan and Amos Euins, who saw the rifle immediately after the first shot would have seen it moving around.  They all said they saw the rifle pointing down Elm St.

   That's a good point about the rifle barrel not being seen moving around AFTER a possible early 1st shot. That's the 1st time I have heard this issue brought up.
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Thanks for posting the above. This is on the (S) side of Elm St. Euins was also photographed inside the railroad yard/parking lot with the string of passenger train cars in the far background. The route Euins drew during his WC Testimony, showed him crossing the Island, and then walking across the Elm St Extension. Somehow, he left out going down the (S) side of Elm St, crossing Elm St, and then ending up in the railroad yard/parking lot. There are many gaping holes in the Euins story. His alleged "camera" being yet another mystery.

Not everyone is blessed with a perfect memory like yours, Stormtrooper Storing.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:07:27 AM »
I am not second guessing anything.  I don't see any evidence that he took an early shot that missed the entire car. One can't second-guess something that didn't happen.

There is none so blind as he who will not see.
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You were suggesting he had nothing to lose by taking an early first shot at a difficult angle and making subsequent shots more difficult - rather than taking all the time he needed to line up a much easier first shot, and possibly three later shots, with the rifle strapped to him and resting on boxes. 

When you decide to assassinate a president, you will get to make those decisions. This was Oswald's gig and he got to make those choices. The results indicate he chose well.
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He had everything to lose by taking a risky early shot.  Unlike a hockey or soccer player, he was limited to four shots.  A wasted bullet would alert everyone to a shot several seconds before he would have a chance to take another shot.  Then he would have a difficult time scrambling to line up the next shot in an entirely different direction and then getting the last three shots off as the car went down the street.  That may be why there is no evidence that he did that.  In fact there is abundant evidence that he didn't.

He may or may not have taken that into account, but the Secret Service's slow response made that a moot point. Some of the agents didn't even hear that shot.
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If he had taken a first shot as the car passed in front of the TSBD and then setup the rifle for a down-street shot, Dearie Cabell, Howard Brennan and Amos Euins, who saw the rifle immediately after the first shot would have seen it moving around.  They all said they saw the rifle pointing down Elm St.

Brennan didn't locate the shooter until just before the last shot. He only saw the final shot. He also only remembers two shots. He did say in both his same day affidavit and his WC testimony that the limo had just passed the sniper's nest window when he heard the first shot. I don't place a lot of faith in witness recollections but you do so how do you explain that?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 12:33:55 AM »
He wasn't wasting a shot. He was giving himself an extra chance. Had he waited, he would have had to wait until the limo cleared the tree before he used his four rounds. Apparently, Oswald calculated that an early shot before the limo went under the tree was a better chance than what a fourth shot after the limo went past the tree. Given the results, he calculated correctly. As it turned out, his fourth shot was unnecessary. He only had to fire two shots after the limo cleared the tree. Again I ask, why are you second guessing his successful decisions?
I am not second guessing anything.  I don't see any evidence that he took an early shot that missed the entire car. One can't second-guess something that didn't happen.

You were suggesting he had nothing to lose by taking an early first shot at a difficult angle and making subsequent shots more difficult - rather than taking all the time he needed to line up a much easier first shot, and possibly three later shots, with the rifle strapped to him and resting on boxes. 

He had everything to lose by taking a risky early shot.  Unlike a hockey or soccer player, he was limited to four shots.  A wasted bullet would alert everyone to a shot several seconds before he would have a chance to take another shot.  Then he would have a difficult time scrambling to line up the next shot in an entirely different direction and then getting the last three shots off as the car went down the street.  That may be why there is no evidence that he did that.  In fact there is abundant evidence that he didn't.

If he had taken a first shot as the car passed in front of the TSBD and then setup the rifle for a down-street shot, Dearie Cabell, Howard Brennan and Amos Euins, who saw the rifle immediately after the first shot would have seen it moving around.  They all said they saw the rifle pointing down Elm St.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:31:01 AM »
Yeah, that was a dumb idea. Totally unnecessary. This is what happens when amateurs try to substitute their opinions for those of the professionals. Sometimes even LNs do that, but usually it's the CTs.

PS. I didn't vote for him but that wasn't the reason.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:29:38 AM »

                                                                     ".....needed no revisions to remain viable"?

                          What about Gerry Ford moving the written description of the JFK BACK Wound up to the, "base of the neck"?

Yeah, that was a dumb idea. Totally unnecessary. This is what happens when amateurs try to substitute their opinions for those of the professionals. Sometimes even LNs do that, but usually it's the CTs.
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Interview With Roger Craig, Jr., About His Father's JFK Investigations

https://mshale.com/f3f38a4d/c1b8d135eq3tikDPQUw

Fred

I was unable to access the link. I will say that Roger Craig Sr. was a whack job. (The former deputy. Not the long time MLB pitching coach. He knew his business well.)
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