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Compare the Mary Rattan affidavit, dated 22 November 1963, with the fake one which doesn't even identify the "notary"

Is the notary's signature legible?
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LP--

I largely concur with your sentiments. In fact, many associated with the EF-JFKA have died off, and the remaining often reminisce about the 1960s, which is still the defining decade in all history, in their view.

Like Larry Hancock, I conclude the WC and FBI generally followed President LBJ's instructions that nothing be found out about the JFKA that could trigger a nuke war. That is to say, no leads back to Havana or Moscow.

That may seem farfetched today, but in 1962 the US very nearly went to a nuke war with Russia over Cuba. LBJ, like everybody else, lived with the daily specter of A-bombs from the sky in October 1962 (as did myself).

Due to my read of the Z-film, I contend that the cadence of shots cannot be explained by a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.

I suspect LHO was the TSBD shooter, but there had to be another shooter too.

The conspiracy could be that, only two people.

LHO was dead with 48 hours, and his confederate---who knows?

If LHO's confederate was waxed by G2-DGI, dead men tell no tales. And the people waxing the second gunsel did not know why they perped the deed, or they were misinformed.

Indeed, G2-DGI'ers may have suspected one of their assets went rogue and worked with LHO, and so they then waxed that asset, based on a reasonable suspicion. 

One sad aspect of this: Moscow and IRGC $ has warped JFKA narratives, as understood by many.

How about a perped lone-gunsel CIAer perp?
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LP--

I largely concur with your sentiments. In fact, many associated with the EF-JFKA have died off, and the remaining often reminisce about the 1960s, which is still the defining decade in all history, in their view.

Like Larry Hancock, I conclude the WC and FBI generally followed President LBJ's instructions that nothing be found out about the JFKA that could trigger a nuke war. That is to say, no leads back to Havana or Moscow.

That may seem farfetched today, but in 1962 the US very nearly went to a nuke war with Russia over Cuba. LBJ, like everybody else, lived with the daily specter of A-bombs from the sky in October 1962 (as did myself).

Due to my read of the Z-film, I contend that the cadence of shots cannot be explained by a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.

I suspect LHO was the TSBD shooter, but there had to be another shooter too.

The conspiracy could be that, only two people.

LHO was dead with 48 hours, and his confederate---who knows?

If LHO's confederate was waxed by G2-DGI, dead men tell no tales. And the people waxing the second gunsel did not know why they perped the deed, or they were misinformed.

Indeed, G2-DGI'ers may have suspected one of their assets went rogue and worked with LHO, and so they then waxed that asset, based on a reasonable suspicion. 

One sad aspect of this: Moscow and IRGC $ has warped JFKA narratives, as understood by many.

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Handwriting-wise, the signatures on the 22 October 1964 bill of sale and the 22 October 1964 affidavit that Ripley's has are identical to the signature on the affidavit that was signed in front of notary public Mary Rattan on 22 November 1963.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338255/m1/1/

https://steveroeconsulting.wixsite.com/website/post/buell-wesley-frazier-s-car

First of all, why do you represent something I've never wrote as a fake quote?

Secondly, since when are you a handwriting expert?

Thirdly, you might want to compare the Mary Rattan affidavit, dated 22 November 1963, with the fake one which doesn't even identify the "notary"

But there's an easy solution; Bill could simply ask new best friend Frazier to confirm the Ripley's "affidavits" to be authentic.... so why doesn't he?
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The two Ripley's affidavits that are allegedly by Frazier are fake. (paraphrased)

Handwriting-wise, the signatures on the 22 October 1964 bill of sale and the 22 October 1964 affidavit that Ripley's has are identical to the signature on the affidavit that was signed in front of notary public Mary Rattan on 22 November 1963.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338255/m1/1/

https://steveroeconsulting.wixsite.com/website/post/buell-wesley-frazier-s-car

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 01:13:26 AM »
Taking a 1st shot at Z223 is a pretty good place because most of the crowd was looking away from the TSBD.  It coincided with the moment the limo had just cleared the tree foliage.


Not even the WC or FBI said that z223 coincided with the moment the limo had just cleared the tree foliage. JFK was clear of the tree before reaching the Thornton Freeway sign which means he was clear before z200. Willis took his photo at the same time z202 was exposed and he was adamant that he pressed the shutter just after the first shot.  Also, Oswald would have been able to track JFK for the entire time the car passed beneath the outer branches of the oak tree:

 

So the lack of an early first missed shot does not mean that there had to be a shot after z313 in order to fit the 1……….2….3 shot pattern recalled by at least 47 witnesses (even without including the many others who grouped the shots that way - a shot followed by two more shots without commenting on the relative spacing between them ).
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You "told" me they were fakes?  Well they must be fakes then.

I had dinner with Buell Frazier just last month.  Along with Frank Badalson, we're still in the process of verifying their authenticity, not that I owe you an explanation at all.

You "told" me they were fakes?  Well they must be fakes then.

Yes, I told you they were fakes and they are.

I had dinner with Buell Frazier just last month.

Wow, you had pizza with him, three months ago, and now you had dinner. You two must really be getting best buddies then....

Along with Frank Badalson, we're still in the process of verifying their authenticity, not that I owe you an explanation at all.

Still in the process of verifying? Really, when all you needed to do is ask Frazier while having dinner with him? Yeah right

You really need to do better if you want to weasel out of this one....  :D

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Oops, peeked out of the rabbit hole again. What is the MATTER with me, dammit?  :D

It occurred to me that, contrary to Pat Speer's assertion, Pitzer must have had greater expertise than merely closed-circuit TV. Indeed, he did. This is from a pretty comprehensive article in Grokipedia:

"Pitzer enlisted in the United States Navy in 1934, underwent training in X-ray technology, and was discharged in 1939."
...
"In these post-war capacities, Pitzer served as assistant head of the Medical Graphic Arts Department at the Naval Medical School in Bethesda, overseeing the creation and dissemination of visual educational materials for naval medical training. He also held the position of chief of the Television Division, pioneering the integration of closed-circuit television as an instructional tool to enhance medical instruction and procedural demonstrations for Navy personnel. These roles emphasized his earlier expertise in X-ray technology and photography, adapted to support broader medical education initiatives within the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery."
...
"Pitzer's responsibilities encompassed overseeing the technical operations of filming, editing, and distributing educational videos to support courses in anatomy, pathology, and clinical skills, leveraging his prior experience in X-ray technology and photography from his early Navy service. The division's work aligned with mid-20th-century advancements in medical education, where audiovisual aids improved retention and practical instruction for corpsmen, nurses, and physicians across naval facilities."
...
"As chief of the Educational Television Division and assistant head of the Medical Graphic Arts Department at the National Naval Medical School in Bethesda, Maryland, from 1961 until his death in 1966, Lieutenant Commander William Bruce Pitzer oversaw the production and management of audiovisual materials for medical training, including closed-circuit television recordings of procedures conducted at the National Naval Medical Center. This role positioned him to handle documentation from autopsies and other forensic examinations, as the facility routinely performed such procedures for military personnel and utilized graphic arts and video for instructional purposes, such as creating films of surgical and pathological processes."
...
"Pitzer's responsibilities extended to the hospital's closed-circuit television system, which he had employed in prior years to produce educational movies, potentially enabling remote capture or review of sensitive medical events without direct physical presence in the procedure room. Official records confirm that the Bethesda facility, where numerous autopsies occurred, equipped its audiovisual department under Pitzer's purview with tools for photographing, filming, and archiving post-mortem imagery to support Navy medical education and research."

It thus would seem that whatever David described Pitzer doing in his office would not have been inherently implausible.

Lance, in my experience, you won't encourage the "53 words, max" reader to read and consider the points presented in longer forum posts
if short attention span readers or those prejudiced against you generally don't take kindly to your criticism.

As a former Ed Forum JFK Debate moderator and the 2015 - 2016 comments editor of jfkfacts.org, my main observation is that unsolvable topics like
Pitzer's death are much more popular than issues that are much more likely to be solved by putting in adequate research time and trial and error search strings.

If you're not tribal you tend to be dismissed by both sides. Verifiable facts are of little to no consequence if they conflict with preconceived notions influenced
by much earlier personalities attempting to achieve sufficient notoriety to make a buck off of JFKA. Two who come to mind were Penn Jones and Mark Lane.
Harold Weisberg attempted to straddle the middle, commercially successful book author and long laboring and suffering researcher complaining about his postage
expenses.

My sense that learning anything new is resented as least as often as it is appreciated is strengthened by anecdotal experience. A prime example is my success at finding
things. I'm in the 18th year of my search for JFKA answers and contradictions to "what everybody knows is what actually happened." I receive few enough requests to put my
research abilities to work to accept that most just do not want to know. This supports why "Oswald in the Doorway," an escape from reality much more than it is an
area of serious research, can be such a popular and enduring attention getter, right up there with "Oswald is Innocent!!!!"

A result is one with a common theme of US Crony Capitalism. Discourage asking who potentially had the most to lose if JFK had lived and who did benefit
the most politically or financially because he did not survive his first Presidential term. The answer to the first question was the largest holder of General Dynamics
stock in 1963, Henry Crown, and the two politicians, father and son, who post assassination, 1964 - 2009, "served" a combined 20 years as either VPOTUS or POTUS, despite the brothers Kennedy in possession of so much influence of appearance, position, political, and financial power earlier in November, 1963.

How much has been spent by so few to demonize progressive taxation, the IRS, actual Social Democratic political goals and resulting quality of life comparison, compared to print and electronic media coverage of "Buy, Borrow, Die" income tax avoidance strategy or the result of state legislated abortions being the poorest, least resourced women being almost exclusively the ones trapped in those jurisdictions to experience compulsory full term pregnancy and delivery or back alley abortion methods?

Try this, but read it after the first and second linked topics.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090517015211/http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/opinion.html
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In april, I already told you that they were fakes. You claimed that you already had made an attempt to verify, which of course means you were not sure yourself and nevertheless had presented them as being authentic.

It has been three months since that and you still haven't told us what the result of your "verification" is.

Instead, you play dumb and simply go back to pretending the affidavits are authentic, so you can once again ask for them to be proven fakes.

You "told" me they were fakes?  Well they must be fakes then.

I had dinner with Buell Frazier just last month.  Along with Frank Badalson, we're still in the process of verifying their authenticity, not that I owe you an explanation at all.
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Oops, peeked out of the rabbit hole again. What is the MATTER with me, dammit?  :D

It occurred to me that, contrary to Pat Speer's assertion, Pitzer must have had greater expertise than merely closed-circuit TV. Indeed, he did. This is from a pretty comprehensive article in Grokipedia:

"Pitzer enlisted in the United States Navy in 1934, underwent training in X-ray technology, and was discharged in 1939."
...
"In these post-war capacities, Pitzer served as assistant head of the Medical Graphic Arts Department at the Naval Medical School in Bethesda, overseeing the creation and dissemination of visual educational materials for naval medical training. He also held the position of chief of the Television Division, pioneering the integration of closed-circuit television as an instructional tool to enhance medical instruction and procedural demonstrations for Navy personnel. These roles emphasized his earlier expertise in X-ray technology and photography, adapted to support broader medical education initiatives within the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery."
...
"Pitzer's responsibilities encompassed overseeing the technical operations of filming, editing, and distributing educational videos to support courses in anatomy, pathology, and clinical skills, leveraging his prior experience in X-ray technology and photography from his early Navy service. The division's work aligned with mid-20th-century advancements in medical education, where audiovisual aids improved retention and practical instruction for corpsmen, nurses, and physicians across naval facilities."
...
"As chief of the Educational Television Division and assistant head of the Medical Graphic Arts Department at the National Naval Medical School in Bethesda, Maryland, from 1961 until his death in 1966, Lieutenant Commander William Bruce Pitzer oversaw the production and management of audiovisual materials for medical training, including closed-circuit television recordings of procedures conducted at the National Naval Medical Center. This role positioned him to handle documentation from autopsies and other forensic examinations, as the facility routinely performed such procedures for military personnel and utilized graphic arts and video for instructional purposes, such as creating films of surgical and pathological processes."
...
"Pitzer's responsibilities extended to the hospital's closed-circuit television system, which he had employed in prior years to produce educational movies, potentially enabling remote capture or review of sensitive medical events without direct physical presence in the procedure room. Official records confirm that the Bethesda facility, where numerous autopsies occurred, equipped its audiovisual department under Pitzer's purview with tools for photographing, filming, and archiving post-mortem imagery to support Navy medical education and research."

It thus would seem that whatever David described Pitzer doing in his office would not have been inherently implausible.
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