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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Thread for Dallas Cinema Associates appreciation
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 11:21:40 PM »Since i have been developing early stages of being a DCA fanboy, might as well make a thread to give attention to this rather obscure film.
(I bet 1 cent they're gonna talk about that second rifle footage)
(I bet 1 cent they're gonna talk about that second rifle footage)
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New: "Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald"
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Yesterday at 11:10:46 PM »
You are still peddling the mind-boggling, self-discrediting fantasy that the 6.5 mm object and the 7 x 2 mm fragment on the JFK skull x-rays are the same object, even though every medical panel that has reviewed the x-rays has identified them as two separate objects, and even though both objects can be plainly seen on the AP x-ray. It takes a special kind of blind bias to cling to such raw, demonstrably erroneous fiction.
Humes removed the "6.5 mm object". It was the 7 x 2 mm fragment that was "somewhat behind the President's eye" and "in the brain tissue". Humes would later view the enhanced AP X-Ray and , after some difficulty, identify that 6.5 mm object as being the 7 x 2 mm fragment. Edward Reed and Jerrol Custer identified it without hesitation.
Gunn: Okay. Can you go back and look at it once again, from the left on the screen to the right on the body? There is a semi-circular white dot there. Do you see that?
Reed: Yes. I do.
Gunn: Do you recall seeing that on the night of the autopsy?
Reed: Yes. I did.
Gunn: What was your understanding of what that Was?
Reed: That is a metallic fragment from the bullet.
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Gunn: Can you identify that as an autopsy X-Ray that you took on the night of November 22nd/23rd 1963?
Custer: Yes, sir. Correct.
Gunn: HOW can you identify that as being one that you took?
Custer: Bullet fragment, right orbital ridge.
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Gunn: Earlier you pointed to what I’m going to call the half-circle that appears to be at the lightest part of the film, and you referred to that as a bullet fragment; is that right?
Custer: Yes, sir.
Gunn: Where was that bullet fragment located? Let me withdraw that question, and ask another question. Do you know where the bullet fragment located on the body?
Custer: Right orbital ridge, superior.
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And there's this from Joseph N Riley, Ph.D.:
"the location in terms of distance from vertex of the round fragment corresponds exactly with a bullet fragment located at the front of the skull at the "height" of the upper part of the frontal sinus. This corresponds, in the frontal x-ray, to the circular fragment located at the level of the right supraorbital ridge. Using an optical micrometer, the cross-sectional diameter of these two fragments is identical. (In the author's measurements, both fragments were measured to be 7mm in diameter; the Panel, using better quality material, measured the circular fragment as 6.5mm in diameter and Is almost certainly more accurate.) There can be no doubt that the large circular fragment represents a bullet fragment embedded in the right supraorbital ridge. In non-technical language, this corresponds to the bone behind the right eyebrow.
The sole rationale for this contention by the Panel is that a sharp radiopaque image usually represents an object close to the x-ray film. For example, when Humes met with the Panel, the following exchange occurred (HSCA 7:251):
DR. PETTY. Now, may I ask you one other question on this X-ray, Dr. Humes.
Here is a view taken, I assume, with the radiation point above the face and the film behind the back of the head.
DR. HUMES. Not being a radiologist, I presume that.
DR. PETTY. If that's true, then the least distorted and least fuzzy portion of the radiopaque materials would be closest to the film, and we would assume then that this peculiar semilunar object with the sharp edges would be close to the film and therefore represent the piece that was seen In the lateral view —
DR. HUMES. Up by the eyebrow.
DR. PETTY. No. Up by the — in the back of the skull.
The anatomical evidence is unequivocal; however, for the sake of completeness, it may be pointed out that the clarity of a radiographic image, assuming sufficient beam intensity, depends upon the coherence ("sharpness") of the radiopaque image on the photographic emulsion. Physical factors that determine coherence include radiopaqueness (100% for a metal fragment), sharpness of the edge (minimizing beam scatter), and location relative to the radiation beam (minimizing defraction). In general, distance will correlate with clarity (the greater the distance to the emulsion, the greater the displacement due to scatter) but it is not causal. A bullet fragment in cross-section and located near the center of the radiation beam would be expected to produce an image such as that observed in the frontal x-ray. The essential points, however, are: (1) It is anatomically impossible that the "high" fragment is the circular fragment in the frontal x-ray and (2) The round fragment correlates exactly in size and location to the fragment in the lateral x-ray immediately superior to the frontal sinus.
There is a major bullet fragment embedded in the right supraorbital ridge. The evidence is unequivocal and, without qualification, the Panel is in error in equating the round fragment in the frontal x-ray with the "high" fragment in the lateral x-ray." -- Joseph N Riley, Ph.D. - "Respected neurologist who specialized in neuroanatomy and experimental neuropathology. His neurological research was published in several peer-reviewed scientific journals, including the Journal of Comparative Neurology, Cell and Tissue Research, and Brain Research, and his research was cited by many other neuroscientists. He taught neuroscience at the University of Florida, the University of California, and the State University of New York."
https://archive.org/details/nsia-RileyJosephN/nsia-RileyJosephN/Riley%20Joseph%20N%2005/page/n7/mode/2up?view=theater
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THERE IS A METALLIC FRAGMENT ABOVE THE SINUS APPEARING TO BE BETWEEN THE BONY TABLES OF THE FRONTAL BONE
- Dr. G. M. McDonnel, in his report to the HSCA concerning Observation, analysis, and conclusions in connection with radiographic images and enhanced images attributed to President John F. Kennedy.
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Post the enhanced AP X-Ray with an arrow pointing at the fragment that my red arrow is pointing at in the lateral view below.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Yesterday at 11:07:14 PM »
Every time I debate this I post that the decider was Carolyn Arnold's March 1964 statement that she was allowed to proofread...That statement clearly indicated a 12:25 time for her witnessing...When this is combined with Sarah Stanton's witnessing of Oswald out on the 2nd Floor staircase landing it confirms Carolyn Arnold's 12:25 time in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Oswald had told Stanton he was going back in to the Break Room and not going down to watch the motorcade...That Break Room was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald eating lunch alone in at 12:25...It is the same Lunch Room, as Hosty admitted to Nigel Turner, that Oswald said he was alone in during the assassination...
Every time I post this conclusive proof you ignore it and return with the same regressive entries...
Carolyn Arnold's statement of March 64 does not supercede her statement made to the FBI on Nov 26, 1963. She made two different statements in 1978 and then another vastly different one in 1997. Sarah Stanton's signed statement of March 18, 1964 was witnessed by two FBI agents. In that statement, she was repeating what she told Agents Pinkston and Carlson on Nov 23, 1963. She did not see Oswald at all on Nov 22, 1963. Those early statements of hers take precedence over something that members of her family may have concurred up 50 years after the fact.
https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/10408#relPageId=24
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Greg Burnham Asks, "Does Education Forum Have TDS?"
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 10:53:56 PM »You are backing a person who just announced he wants to rename the Pacific Ocean "Trump Ocean"...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: A Reminder: All Members Please Read
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Yesterday at 10:41:56 PM »Posts And/ Or Quotes Containing Imgur "Content Not Available In Your Region" Messages. Will Be Deleted.
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Sorry about that.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 10:24:11 PM »Every time I debate this I post that the decider was Carolyn Arnold's March 1964 statement that she was allowed to proofread...That statement clearly indicated a 12:25 time for her witnessing...When this is combined with Sarah Stanton's witnessing of Oswald out on the 2nd Floor staircase landing it confirms Carolyn Arnold's 12:25 time in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Oswald had told Stanton he was going back in to the Break Room and not going down to watch the motorcade...That Break Room was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald eating lunch alone in at 12:25...It is the same Lunch Room, as Hosty admitted to Nigel Turner, that Oswald said he was alone in during the assassination...
Every time I post this conclusive proof you ignore it and return with the same regressive entries...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / A Reminder: All Members Please Read
« Last post by Duncan MacRae on Yesterday at 10:08:31 PM »Posts And/ Or Quotes Containing Imgur "Content Not Available In Your Region" Messages. Will Be Deleted.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Greg Burnham Asks, "Does Education Forum Have TDS?"
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 09:07:51 PM »
There are people out there straight-facedly saying Trump is unfairly accused...
Yes, those are the rational, productive people who actually contribute to our society.
You should make clear to our readers that you are a 9/11 Truther who also accuses Israeli intel of being involved in JFK's death.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Darnell Gifs "Credit: 6th Floor Museum" Jones Collection NBC 5 Archive
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Yesterday at 08:33:01 PM »Those same FBI interview statements as Robin shows here were what was shown to Carolyn Arnold who, upon seeing what FBI quoted her as saying, emphatically rejected it and told Earl Golz that FBI had altered her statement...We have to assume that if Sarah Stanton was speaking up at family gatherings, and repeating her witnessing of Oswald on the 2nd Floor staircase landing, that FBI committed another alteration in the case of Stanton's statement just like they did with Carolyn Arnold and many other witnesses...Sarah Stanton was very lucky to be alive considering what other witnesses were murdered for...No one ever went to Stanton and showed her her FBI statement like Golz did with Carolyn Arnold...But you can be sure that what drove Stanton to repeat her witnessing at family gatherings was her consternation over her witnessing never surfacing in coverage of the assassination...
The same year that Carolyn Arnold told Earl Golz that she saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom on her way out of the building at 12:25, she told Anthony Summers that she saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom at about 12:15. 19 years later she told Johnny Young that she was positive that she saw him in the 1st floor lunchroom before she exited the building. Carolyn Arnold was not credible.
Neither Carolyn Arnold's statement to the FBI or Sarah Stanton's statement to them were altered. Sarah Stanton did not see Oswald at any time on Nov 22, 1963.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: New: "Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald"
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 08:31:53 PM »I started reading it but stopped at this:
Another problem with the connection between Oswald and the Carcano is that nobody at Oswald's post office reported giving him a hefty package such as the kind in which a rifle would be shipped (Summers, p. 59; Meagher, p. 50). In fact, none of those postal workers reported ever giving Oswald any kind of a package.
What's the point of trying to reason with the guy? You spend a great deal of time responding to every ridiculous point that he makes. You have a great deal more patience than me.
Oswald's use of the alias "Alek Hidell" is not an allegation. It's an established fact. It's not just according to the Dallas police that he was carrying an "Alek J. Hidell" ID card when he was arrested. FBI agent Manning Clements documented the contents of his wallet that day.
The handwriting on the money order is Oswald's. That's a fact established by numerous questioned document experts who examined the actual money order itself. That money order proves that Oswald left his place of employment on the morning of March 12, 1963. He purchased that money order at the Ervay street post office. He lied on his timesheet.
The handwriting on the envelope and the order coupon is Oswald's. The Carcano rifle bearing serial number C2766 was shipped by Klein's to Oswald's PO box. Oswald had himself photographed holding that rifle. His palmprint was found on the barrel of it on Nov 22, 1963 by Lt Carl Day of the DPD.
Oswald ordered Klein's Sporting Goods catalog number C20-T750 and that's what he got.
MTG's unwillingness to accept those facts reflects poorly of his character.
LOL! If you had not stopped reading, you would have seen that I address your arguments. But, no, as soon as you encountered a claim you didn't like, you just stopped reading, rather than see if I provided evidence and logic that supported my claim.
It is a three-way tie between you, Nessan, and Corbett as to who is the most ridiculous, bungling, blundering WC apologist in this forum.
You are still peddling the mind-boggling, self-discrediting fantasy that the 6.5 mm object and the 7 x 2 mm fragment on the JFK skull x-rays are the same object, even though every medical panel that has reviewed the x-rays has identified them as two separate objects, and even though both objects can be plainly seen on the AP x-ray. It takes a special kind of blind bias to cling to such raw, demonstrably erroneous fiction.