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The bridge over the underpass was probably the dumbest place to shoot JFK from. Even dumber than the GK. Not only would he have been out in the open among numerous bystanders, he would have had to shoot through the windshield and had two intervening bodies between him and his target. When people dream this kind of nonsense up, do they ever give any serious thought to their theories? This question almost answers itself.

No... you are wrong here.
This is the perfect place for a sniper dressed in a police uniform and part of a larger conspiracy...
There is a straight line from this position to the president... no interference from the windshield...
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Some not, not all of the Secret Service agents apparently either didn't hear or did not recognize the first shot for what it was. They believe that JFK was hit by the first shot. It has always been puzzling to me why they didn't respond to the first shot but seems to be the case. Altgens 6 shows some of the agents turning to the rear in response to the second shot which is the first one to strike JFK. Clint Hill only remembers hearing two shots and he reacted when he saw JFK had been hit. The next shot he heard was the head shot as he was racing to the limo. I heard him say that he had been told there was an intervening shot that was fired while he was trying to get to the limo but he has no memory that, with good reason. There was no intervening shot. The shot he didn't hear was the first one. The only occupant of the limo who recognized the first shot for as a gun shot was JBC. He knew instantly what it was and according to his account, he immediately thought it was an assassination attempt.

So why did the others as well as some spectators not recognize the first shot. Some said they thought at first it was a firecracker. Others thought it was a motorcycle backfire. We are left to guess as to why others didn't either not hear or recognize the first shot? My own guess is that the motorcycles accelerating coming out of the sharp turn onto Elm St. created such a roar that it muffled the sound of the gunshot. I have no way of proving that. Just an educated guess.

The agents who believed JFK was hit by the first shot are giving themselves the benefit of the doubt because that gave them less than 5 seconds to react between the first shot and the fatal head shot. Those of us who believe the first shot was the missed shot believe there was actually more than 8 seconds between the first and last shot, varying that time frame based on when we believe that first shot was fired. My own belief is there were almost 9 seconds between the first and third shots. Had any of the agents on the running board reacted to that first shot, they might have reached JFK in time to keep him from being hit by the fatal headshot. Bill Greer was in the best position to prevent the assassination as the driver of the car but I read recently he was only supposed to do that on orders from Roy Kellerman. Had Greer immediately sped away, it's doubtful Oswald could have hit JFK with his follow up shots. Unfortunately, all the agents had to make split second decisions and it is easy to second guess them, but not knowing what they actually saw and heard, I'm not ready to say whether they should have acted more quickly than they did.

John, Clint Hill did not jump off the follow-up car till after the head shot. The shot he heard running to the limo sounded different he said and matches the other witnesses bang bang testimony. it also matches the two largest blur episodes on the Z film.









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From  the standpoint of the actual evidence, IOW observations of irrefutable quality, Ruby's improbable rooomate, George Senator testified that he had worked at his
brother's Gloversville, NY soda fountain. The location in Gloversville happened to be within shouting distance of the Schein Chain Theatres' corporate offic.

Senator's parents and David Schein's parents are interred in the small Gloversville Jewish cemetery.

RFK and David Schein's and Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, came to physical confrontation in the Senate cloak room when the three worked on McCarthy's witch hunt.

Schein and Cohn created a spectacle when Cohn put pressure on the army to protect Schein from the full experience of the military draft. They toured Europe together,
visiting US Embassies' libraries to find and remove books they objected to the leftist subject matter of.

Schein's sister married Lester Crown, the son of the man described as having the most to gain resulting from timely assassination of JFK because investigations at the time
exposed the conflicts of intererst and ethics lapses that Henry Crown feared would result in transfer of the contracts to build the F-111B combat aircraft by the defense contractor Crown controlled, General Dynamics.

Not long after David Schein was exposed and embarrassed resulting from Cohn's efforts on his behalf, Schein married his "beard", a recent Miss Universe,
In June, 1968, Schein's family owned the Los Angeles hotel in which RFK was shot nearly to death, Schein's role was General Mgr said to either have hired
security guard Cesar Eugene Thane and or had a direct role in Thane's work assignment resulting in Thane's being investigated as the actual or back up assassin
since more shots had been fired than could have all been sourced by Sirhan's weapon. Thane owned a hand gun of compatible caliber as the claimed assassination
weapon.

Schein's dad, Junius, also owned the Rony hotel on Miami Beach where Hoover and Tolson received a comped stay each winter. Mickey Cohen enjoyed gambling concessions
in Schein's east and west coast hotels.

Ruby's telephoned calls during the summer of 1963 included a call to Gloversville the investigation did not link to hometown boy, George Senator, but to a made mob member
Joe Cataldo, who the investigative record claimed was a call made to Cataldo's girlfriend's home where Cataldo was visiting. This suggests Ruby had more than the passing
familiarity with Cataldo that Ruby later claimed.

David Schein and his wife were killed in 1996 in an airplane piloted by their son, also killed. The investigation determined that although the fatal crash occurred just after
take off the plane's fuel tanks were empty.

Lester Crown and Schein's sister near 100 years old now, are still alive. Lester, although once criminally charged, was a major influence on OBama's decision to run for President.

Dear Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Skully,

BFD.

(Pardon my German)

-- Tom

PS Why was probable KGB "mole" Bruce Leonard Solie so interested in Talbot Bielefeldt?
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Griffith, why do you constantly ignore Experts and Scientists who are actually qualified and are real life Scholars in their chosen fields but instead rely on what amounts to garbagemen? Go figure??

Dr. Alfred G. Olivier, who you like to dismiss, is the Chief of the Wound Ballistics Branch and performed practical recreations of Kennedy's head wound, why don't you quote this guy? Oh that's right you have a vested interest in supporting anything but.

Dr. Alfred G. Olivier while using human skulls recreated the shot into the back of Kennedy's head and guess what, the bullet separated into two pieces and closely resembled the recovered bullet fragments recovered from the Presidential Limo. I bet your guy who was seemingly good at taking X-Rays didn't do this experiment but instead postulated his dumb dumdum bullet theory without considering the entirety of the physical evidence.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you formulate any other conclusions or opinions based on the tests on firing at the skull?
Dr. OLIVIER. Well, let's see. We found that this bullet could do exactly--could make the type of wound that the President received.
Also, that the recovered fragments were very similar to the ones recovered on the front seat and on the floor of the car.
This, to me, indicates that those fragments did come from the bullet that wounded the President in the head.
Mr. SPECTER. And how do the two major fragments in 857 compare, then, with the fragments heretofore identified as 567 and 569?
Dr. OLIVIER. They are quite similar.


1. The 2 larger test bullet fragments recovered by Dr. Oliver.





2. The 2 larger bullet fragments recovered from Kennedy's Limo





And contrary to the belief of a hardcore conspiracy theorist, Dr. Oliver showed that the bullet after penetrating a human skull broke up into a shower of smaller lead fragments.

Mr. SPECTER. And under what circumstances have you viewed those before, please?
Dr. OLIVIER. There were, the two larger fragments were recovered outside of the skull in the cotton waste we were using to catch the fragments without deforming them. There are some smaller fragments in here that were obtained from the gelatin within the cranial cavity after the experiment. We melted the gelatin out and recovered the smallest fragments from within the cranial cavity.
-------snip------
Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a photograph marked Commission Exhibit 859 and ask you what that depicts?
Dr. OLIVIER. These are the smaller fragments that have been labeled, also, Exhibit 857. This picture or some of the fragments labeled 857, these are the smaller fragments contained in the same box.




And just to show you how inadequate your research really is, here's Dr. John Lattimer who also did the same experiment and lo and behold his Carcano Bullet also broke up into two larger fragments.



So Griffith, instead of sweeping the very depths of the sewers in your search for unqualified anybody's that dispute the official findings of the many qualified Experts of the Warren Commission and the HSCA and etc. etc., perhaps you better start embracing these fine upstanding Pillars of Society who have the words TRUTH and Justice emblazoned as their middle names!

BTW, what's also very important is that the headshot bullet broke up into two fragments(CE567 CE569) which subsequently caused the windshield crack and the surrounding frame dent!







And as proven above, a sea of lead fragments as seen in JFK's head X-ray.



JohnM
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From my perspective, the only one responsible for the assassination died a little more than 24 hours after JFK was killed. No one else will ever be identified as complicit in the assassination.

From  the standpoint of the actual evidence, IOW observations of irrefutable quality, Ruby's improbable rooomate, George Senator testified that he had worked at his
brother's Gloversville, NY soda fountain. The location in Gloversville happened to be within shouting distance of the Schein Chain Theatres' corporate offic.

Senator's parents and David Schein's parents are interred in the small Gloversville Jewish cemetery.

RFK and David Schein's and Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, came to physical confrontation in the Senate cloak room when the three worked on McCarthy's witch hunt.

Schein and Cohn created a spectacle when Cohn put pressure on the army to protect Schein from the full experience of the military draft. They toured Europe together,
visiting US Embassies' libraries to find and remove books they objected to the leftist subject matter of.

Schein's sister married Lester Crown, the son of the man described as having the most to gain resulting from timely assassination of JFK because investigations at the time
exposed the conflicts of intererst and ethics lapses that Henry Crown feared would result in transfer of the contracts to build the F-111B combat aircraft by the defense contractor Crown controlled, General Dynamics.

Not long after David Schein was exposed and embarrassed resulting from Cohn's efforts on his behalf, Schein married his "beard", a recent Miss Universe,
In June, 1968, Schein's family owned the Los Angeles hotel in which RFK was shot nearly to death, Schein's role was General Mgr said to either have hired
security guard Cesar Eugene Thane and or had a direct role in Thane's work assignment resulting in Thane's being investigated as the actual or back up assassin
since more shots had been fired than could have all been sourced by Sirhan's weapon. Thane owned a hand gun of compatible caliber as the claimed assassination
weapon.

Schein's dad, Junius, also owned the Rony hotel on Miami Beach where Hoover and Tolson received a comped stay each winter. Mickey Cohen enjoyed gambling concessions
in Schein's east and west coast hotels.

Ruby's telephoned calls during the summer of 1963 included a call to Gloversville the investigation did not link to hometown boy, George Senator, but to a made mob member
Joe Cataldo, who the investigative record claimed was a call made to Cataldo's girlfriend's home where Cataldo was visiting. This suggests Ruby had more than the passing
familiarity with Cataldo that Ruby later claimed.

David Schein and his wife were killed in 1996 in an airplane piloted by their son, also killed. The investigation determined that although the fatal crash occurred just after
take off the plane's fuel tanks were empty.

Lester Crown and Schein's sister near 100 years old now, are still alive. Lester, although once criminally charged, was a major influence on OBama's decision to run for President.



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No, I documented the fact that FMJ bullets will never, ever shatter into dozens of tiny fragments after striking bone.


What a surprise, Griffith spreads even more disinformation.



JohnM
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 01:50:47 AM »
I count 3 "ifs" in that scenario.

So?
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Dr. Evalea Glanges sure seems like a credible witness. Serious medical student, became a doctor. A gun enthusiast. She says she saw a hole in the JFK limo windshield.

Did the Secret Service Agents (especially if they were part of the plot!!!) really let her get that close to the limo?
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BD-

I am concerned that foreign-funded influencers are active in the JFKA space, especially those with Substacks. 

James DiEugenio excitedly wrote about how he was getting more readers and subscribers after he went on an extended Israel-bashing jag on his Substack. His comments section reeked to the moon, but DiEugenio was getting money and recognition.

We saw Morley go on Tucker Carlson and dogwhistle "Mossad waxed JFK."

At least William Niedernut, the anti-Semitic crackpot, is no longer "moderating" the EF-JFKA.

I am sorry you are not optimistic on the EF-JFKA. Maybe you are justified in your reservations.

Ideologues or stooges are nothing new in the JFKA space.

At the risk of sounding "anti-Semitic" or "anti-Israel," it is interesting that so many top members of the Russian Mafia happen to be Jews (Marat Balagula, Semyon Mogilevich, Monya Elson, and Boris Nayfeld come to mind), and that so many hold dual Russian-Israeli citizenship, making it easier for them to avoid prosecution.
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Dr. Evalea Glanges sure seems like a credible witness. Serious medical student, became a doctor. A gun enthusiast. She says she saw a hole in the JFK limo windshield.

Then, why destroy the original JFK limo windshield? Destroying crime scene evidence is not a good look.

I have reasonable doubts about the nature of cracks or bullet holes in the JFK limo windshield. I cannot fathom destroying the original windshield.
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