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https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/on-the-trail-of-delusion-episode-26-with-brian-roselle

On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 26 with Brian Roselle

A very interesting look at the timing of Oswald's first shot.
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Dear widdle danny BOY o'meara,

I wrote in my previous post:

Regardless, you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.) [emphasis added]

Nice spin job, danny BOY o'meara.


. . . . . . . . .

Then you posted at 02:05:38 AM today:

"You're a liar. I didn't post any such thing. Keep your lies to yourself. They have no place on this forum."

. . . . . . .

Go to page 167, this thread, widdle danny BOY o'meara, and scroll down to the seventh post, in which you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.)[/b] [emphasis added]

See the exact correspondence between it and what I "accused" you of having posted?

D'oh!

Good God, man, get professional help.

Before it's too late.

-- Tom
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You are the one insisting that Bonnie Ray ate his lunch where he testified he did.
It's up to you to explain this discrepancy.
If you believe he ate his lunch a couple of aisles over from the Sniper's Nest, how did his lunch remains end up on top of it?
This is something that refutes your own interpretation of events regarding this matter, how do you explain that?
Do you do what the Warren Commission did (of course you do) and simply ignore this inconvenient fact?
If so, what does that say about you?

Dear widdle danny BOY o'meara,

Not a "couple of aisles over," but one aisle over, between the third and fourth windows from the corner of the building. (The first and second windows were inside Oswald's Sniper's Nest.)

The fact that Bonnie Ray set his used lunch bag on top of a stack of boxes, probably while on his way down to the fifth floor, seems suspicious to you?

How long have you been paranoiac, widdle danny BOY o'meara?

Perhaps you should get professional help.

-- Tom
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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

What do you think the significance of that great discovery is?

That Bonnie Ray Williams sat inside the Sniper's Nest while drinking his Dr. Pepper and eating his Fritos and his chicken-on-the-bone sandwich?

If so, do you think that when he was finished, he took his empty Dr. Pepper bottle around to the other side of the "side wall" and left it on the floor, there, or do you think he tossed it over said "side wall" from inside the Sniper's Nest and it just happened to land upright?

If you accept the fact that he ate his lunch outside the Sniper's Nest near windows three and four, do you find it highly, highly implausible that he didn't notice Oswald who was either hiding in the far corner of the Sniper's Nest or down at the other end of the building, waiting for you to leave, when he left his bag (with the chicken bones and the empty Fritos bag) on top of the Sniper's Nest back "wall"?

Do you really think he perjured himself in front of the Warren Commission, that evil, evil Allen Dulles and/or evil, evil Gerald Ford altered his testimony, and that that pesky Dr. Pepper bottle was planted there by the evil, evil, CIA, the evil, evil FBI, or the evil, evil [fill in the blank]?

It seems to me that Bonnie Ray probably ate his lunch where he testified he did -- near or actually sitting on the "two wheeler" by the third and fourth windows, but that's not very exciting, is it. (British dialect.)


Regardless, keep up the good work, danny old BOY o'meara.

Vladimir Putin's counting on you!


-- Tom

You are the one insisting that Bonnie Ray ate his lunch where he testified he did.
It's up to you to explain this discrepancy.
If you believe he ate his lunch a couple of aisles over from the Sniper's Nest, how did his lunch remains end up on top of it?
This is something that refutes your own interpretation of events regarding this matter, how do you explain that?
Do you do what the Warren Commission did (of course you do) and simply ignore this inconvenient fact?
If so, what does that say about you?
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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

It's funny how Rosemary Willis is STILL not looking at JFK and Jackie in Z-207, but is STILL looking back towards that doggone TSBD!

I wonder why the heck THAT is?

Any ideas, danny BOY o'meara?

(LOL!)

You don't have a clue what she's looking at.
as you've done with all your "prime witnesses" ( :D) you have decided for yourself what they are doing even when their own testimony utterly refutes your sad interpretation.
You are no longer a JFKA researcher. You're just some sad kind of troll, completely uninterested with the truth of the matter.

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Regardless, you posted:

Glen Bennett (notes written on 11-22-63, 24H541-542): "At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head." (While the precise meaning of Bennett's words are open to debate, they do on first glance suggest that he felt the first shot missed. Since he did not see Kennedy's reaction to the first shot, but only saw him at the "exact time" he received the second shot, it seems possible the blood seen by Bennett came from the first shot. But we'll call this one a first shot miss.)

Nice spin job, danny BOY o'meara.

You're a liar.
I didn't post any such thing.
Keep your lies to yourself. They have no place on this forum.

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The thing is, Bennett said he looked at the limo after he heard the sound of what seemed to be a firecracker. Since JFK's assistant, Dave Powers, was sitting in front of him on the jump seat, Bennett had to lean far to his right to see around him. That's exactly what we see him (or Powers?) doing as early as Z-144 https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z144.jpg and as late as Z-196 https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z196.jpg , which is interesting because HSCA photo expert Cecil Kirk said in the mock trial that the fact that the right arm of JFK, who had just finished waving to some people on his right, is extended straight out, upward and to his left in Z-199 indicated to him that JFK had just been shot.

That's exactly what we see him (or Powers?) doing as early as Z-144

 :D :D :D
You don't even know who is who in the Z-film!!
Is it possible for you to make a bigger idiot of yourself? Seriously?

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Brian Roselle may have been actively looking for photographic evidence of an early, missing-everything shot.

"Good on him," because he sure found it: SEVEN prime witnesses (FIVE of whom were passengers in the limo, and two of whom were nearby) whose rapid, conscious head movements in response to hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything shot at "Z-124" were recorded on film as being within half-a-second of each other.

Brian did not find evidence of an early first shot.
He assumed there was an early first shot then went looking for evidence. He assumed that a tiny handful of people, out of hundreds seen in the Z-film, 'reacted' to his assumed early first shot because they moved their heads.
This is clearly good enough for you but it's not for me.
And could you please explain to us all what you mean by "prime witnesses" when it's just you interpreting what they're doing.  ;D How does that make them witnesses? Particularly when their recollections utterly refute your assumptions.

Keep your lies to yourself and do some research.


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For SA Hickey to possibly "not remember", he would 1st have to be asked what he was doing leaning over the side of the Queen Mary. The asking of this question never happened. How about Lovelady and Shelley, working right there inside the TSBD being asked questions by the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers? Again, never happened.  The JFK Assassination research community simply fell flat on their face.

Dear Comrade Storing,

But they were right that it was an evil, evil, evil "Deep State Conspiracy"!!!

-- Tom
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The "SS actions" are even more egregious with the elapsed firing time for all 3 shots now being extended to 11+ seconds. This means the POTUS was under active gun fire for 11+ seconds and the SS did absolutely nothing to defend him. 11+ seconds is a long time.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Get it straight.

10.2 seconds, not "11 + seconds"

-- Tom

PS Do you think the Secret Service was part of the evil, evil, evil "Deep State Conspiracy"?
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I've always been disgusted with the SS's actions and non actions on Elm Street.  As to the specific question asked, JFK was dead when Hill stepped off the running board on the follow up car.  So, my answer is "some time between Z-313 and now."

   The "SS actions" are even more egregious with the elapsed firing time for all 3 shots now being extended to 11+ seconds. This means the POTUS was under active gun fire for 11+ seconds and the SS did absolutely nothing to defend him. 11+ seconds is a long time.
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  For SA Hickey to possibly "not remember", he would 1st have to be asked what he was doing leaning over the side of the Queen Mary. The asking of this question never happened. How about Lovelady and Shelley, working right there inside the TSBD being asked questions by the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers? Again, never happened.  The JFK Assassination research community simply fell flat on their face.
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TG-

I think any connections between events on the ground 11/22 in Dallas, and "higher-ups" are entirely speculative.

This is proven by the fact that various intelligent individuals have spun entirely antipodal narratives on the JFKA, from CIA to KGB, to Mafia, to LBJ, to G-2, to Mossad (well, lesser intelligence in the case of Mossad) and even Mormon church elders.

The more years that go by, without any evidence of such higher-up connections being revealed, either by participants, confessions, or documents...makes the speculation all the more iffy.

Sure, various US intel agencies were tracking LHO, as a known defector and active Marxist.

JFKACT's that include dozens upon dozens of witting participants, across many agencies and organizations (DPD, Secret Service, FBI, CIA, various military officials, Mafia, Navy autopsists) are even less compelling.

In contrast, a very small plot, informal, and without documentation or official knowledge, would be difficult to detect, especially as Ruby shot LHO dead. Only LHO could have described what he was involved in.

The Ruby shooting act is suspicious, I grant that. Maybe Ruby was impulsive, or maybe some Alpha-66 guys (who were often involved in drug deals with the Mob) arranged for the hit. The Ruby hit on LHO is strange.

Caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions.









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