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It's incredibly easy to "completely discredit" a professional photographic panels analysis.
You simply look at the evidence yourself. It's called research.
Rather than just swallow down every lie you are spoon-fed, it would serve you better to actually look for yourself.
The HSCA panel stated that JFK's "head moves rapidly from right to his left in the direction of his wife" by z207. This is the main part of their argument for a reaction before JFK passes behind the Stemmons sign.


Here is the photographic evidence disproving the HSCA's assertions.
Will you accept what you see with your own eyes?
What is the difference between z224 and z225 that convinces you that JFK is not reacting in z224 but is in z225?
What evidence is telling you that his contorted face in z225 is not part of his reaction?
 
As far as the position of the car as described by the withesses, you need to look at all the evidence. Almost directly in front suggests the car had not yet passed by where she was standing.  But you don’t neetd to guess. Look at other witnesses. At z225 the VP security car is well past the turn. JFK is no longer b
in Linda Willis’ sightline to the Stemmons sign.  The limo is well past the west edge of the TSBD(Greer).  And it is more than a second after Phil Willis’ photo taken at z202 just before the first shot.

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How anybody can call the chain of custody solid is beyond me.



• Oswald confirmed to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol

Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.

Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.

Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.



• Officer McDonald confirms he removed the pistol from Oswald.

Mr. BALL - Your right hand?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir. Now, as we fell into the seats, I called out, "I have got him," and Officer T. A. Hutson, he came to the row behind us and grabbed Oswald around the neck. And then Officer C. T. Walker came into the row that we were in and grabbed his left arm. And Officer Ray Hawkins came to the row in front of us and grabbed him from the front.
By the time all three of these officers had got there, I had gotten my right hand on the butt of the pistol and jerked it free.


• Officer McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll

Mr. BALL - What happened when you jerked the pistol free?
Mr. McDONALD - When I jerked it free, I was down in the seats with him, with my head, some reason or other, I don't know why, and when I brought the pistol out, it grazed me across the cheek here, and I put it all the way out to the aisle, holding it by the butt. I gave the pistol to Detective Bob Carroll at that point.


• Carroll confirms he gave the pistol to Hill.

Mr. BALL. Whom did you give the gun to finally?
Mr. CARROLL. After I gave it to - Jerry Hill - that was the last time I had possession of it - possession of the gun.


• Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.

Mr. BELIN. And being that he had the keys to the car, Bob Carroll drove the vehicle.
Mr. HILL. As he started to get in the car, he handed me a pistol, which he identified as the one that had been taken from the suspect in the theatre.


• Hill confirms that he kept the pistol on his person until he inscribed it with his name.

Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not from the time this gun was handed to you until the time you removed these six bullets, this gun was in your possession?
Mr. HILL. The gun remained in my possession until it, from the time it was given to me until the gun was marked and all the shells were marked. They remained in my personal possession. After they were marked, they were released by me to Detective T. L. Baker of the homicide bureau. He came to the personnel office and requested that they be given to him, and I marked them and turned them over to him at this point.


The chain of custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_custody

• Oswald confirmed to various Police Officers he was carrying a pistol
• McDonald confirms he took the pistol from Oswald.
• McDonald confirms he gave the pistol to Carroll.
• Carroll confirms he gave the pistol to Hill.
• Hill confirms he took the pistol from Carroll.
• Hill confirms that he kept the pistol on his person until he inscribed it with his name.
• The revolver in evidence has a paper trail leading directly to Oswald's PO Box.









JohnM
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The nose of CE 399 bullet was not even scratched. The nose remained perfectly round , no deformation whatsoever. It’s a miracle bullet it seems. Especially where it was found( was it the limo, or the stretcher, or did fell out on the floor?)and later changed its appearance from pointed to ball nosed.

The imaginative solution for the nose not being even scratched is because it was spinning end over end as it struck into John Connallys right hand wrist bone backwards!  (That way only some lead flakes get embedded in the hand  ::) then it continued to cut  thru the hand  apparently like a small circular saw would. And even doing that the nose of the bullet remained perfectly round without even a slight knick or dent. ???

So I’m reasonably in doubt about the SBT too.

The nose of the bullet was not damaged because the nose of the bullet didn't hit anything hard. FMJ bullets are designed not to deform when striking soft tissue. Why would anyone expect the nose of CE399 to be damaged?
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Wow, at least, Varnell understood the evidence of no bullets or bullet fragments inside of JFK's torso and made up the loony "ice bullet" theory.

Mr. SPECTER - Did you search the body to determine if there was any bullet inside the body?
Commander HUMES - Before the arrival of Colonel Finck we had made X-rays of the head, neck and torso of the President, and the upper portions of his major extremities, or both his upper and lower extremities. At Colonel Finck's suggestion, we then completed the X-ray examination by X-raying the President's body in toto, and those X-rays are available.
Mr. SPECTER - What did those X-rays disclose with respect to the possible presence of a missile in the President's body?
Commander HUMES - They showed no evidence of a missile in the President's body at any point. And these were examined by ourselves and by the radiologist, who assisted us in this endeavor.
Mr. SPECTER - What conclusion, if any, did you reach as to whether point "D" on 385 was the point of entrance or exit?
Commander HUMES - We concluded that this missile depicted in 385 "C" which entered the President's body traversed the President's body and made its exit through the wound observed by the physicians at Parkland Hospital and later extended as a tracheotomy wound.
 



BTW, how many times do you people need to be told that when you are trying to set up a lone patsy who was high and behind, that a sniper in the front would NEVER have been considered, it's totally absurd!

JohnM
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It's easy to conjure up reasons any number of entities would have wanted JFK killed. What nobody has been able to conjure up is any real evidence any of them conspired with Oswald to do the deed.
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I see Jackie turning her head quickly to look at JFK at that Z190 frame and that’s JFK with hand fully up and his head turned sharply. It’s this point where Harold Norman describes as hearing the shot WHEN he saw JFKs hand up so IDK for sure if he’s just been hit there. You would think some % of momentum transfer of the bullet would cause some instantaneous movement forward from Z190-Z207 but I’m really not seeing anything to indicate that. I think Andrew suggested because it’s such a short path thru the neck and throat of JFK and no bone struck that the bullet was in and out so quickly that there was no momentum transfer enough to move the mass of the body. Don’t know for certain because nobody’s done a really good experiment with total body replicas including the arms and legs and hands.
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Of course, then we have the minor problems of where the bullet from the throat wound went, where the bullet from the back wound went, and the "rather" unusually close alignment of the back and throat wounds - so close that one bullet causing both wounds is by far the accepted theory. Hence Cliff Varnell's reliance on melting CIA-issued ice bullets, which frankly strikes most people as "just a bit" unlikely. Even a dud back wound that only penetrated an inch with a melting CIA ice bullet from the front seems "rather" unlikely - and what the hell would be the point of using a melting ice bullet from the front if it wasn't going to disguise a frontal shot anyway? I believe there are legitimate issues with the SBT, but to still try to be arguing that the throat would is an entrance is far-lunatic-fringe stuff.

Is it just me, or does MTG seem to be in near-desperation mode, flooding the forum with his nonsense? He is the very antithesis of my point that CTers who wish to be taken seriously should focus on plausibility, in terms of both evidence and theory, instead of shoveling loads of far-fetched and internally inconsistent poop and hoping some of it sticks. For all of his relentless self-promotion over umpteen years, MTG seems to have scarcely made a dent in the JFKA community; he strikes me as the proverbial legend in his own mind.The

Are you questioning Aragorn? Do you see that sword in his hand? It was reforged from the shards of CT lore 40 years ago and it has returned to reclaim the glory of the days of Mark Lane.  :)
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I got Internet Archives to perform some functions...





Russo explains in the book that Washington and the WC were extremely loath to follow any leads back to Havana.

I will stand by my statement that leads connecting LHO to Havana, G2, DGI or other Cuban intel assets were not followed. That Russo also makes that case.

As for it being "rational" that Castro and Cuba, or Cuba assets would perp the JFKA---history is replete with wildly irrational acts by men large and small.

Why did Puerto Rican nationalists attempt to assassinate President Truman? Would such an assassination do anything but backfire?

Why did Putin invade Ukraine, which turned into a quagmire-bear-trap 100 times worse than Vietnam, and from which he cannot now exit?

Remember the intense ideologies and nationalism of the 1950s and 1960s. Think of Islam terrorists today. Are they rational? Would they perp the 9/11 catastrophe?
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So, both men are shot, then wait 1.5 seconds before they both undergo radically extreme, and intensely quick reactions.
Trying not to be disrespectful Zeon, but where are you getting the notion from that it would take such an amazingly long time before BOTH men start reacting?
It takes JFK's left arm ONE THIRD OF A SECOND to go from resting at his side to extended upwards. It is an insanely quick reaction. Why would he wait almost FIVE TIMES that length of time before reacting?
JFK's reaction shows clear signs of a neuromuscular effect, we are talking small fractions of a second for these kinds of reflexive reactions. One and a half seconds in this context is an eternity.

The Z313 shot there is about 1/2 sec delay for the head snap back and to the left. But I’m not sure about when a bullet goes thru the neck and throat or only into a  thigh if they would react as quickly. Don’t get worried Im going lunatic, I’m
Just playing devils advocate here  ;D
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Once again you show the shallow, one-sided nature of your research. And, of course, you obviously didn't bother to read the research notes I linked in my OP, which explain that the Dallas doctors deduced from the damage behind the wound that the bullet had ranged downward into the chest. Here's the link again for your convenience.

“Research Notes on the Shored-Wound Theory to Explain JFK’s Throat Wound,” https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h48FpT89KrC0rNrl4XC3MDePLDFEBBHb/view.

And I'm by no means the first researcher to point out that the Dallas doctors saw indications that the bullet that hit the throat ranged downward into the chest. Sylvia Meagher made this point way back in 1967 in her book Accessories After the Fact. Many other scholars have also discussed this evidence.

But, obviously, this is all news to you. This shows you haven't read any of the best-selling scholarly books that posit a conspiracy in the JFK shooting.

which explain that the Dallas doctors deduced from the damage behind the wound that the bullet had ranged downward into the chest

Where would a shot that entered JFK's neck and travelled downward into his chest have come from?
What location, other than a helicopter, would allow such a shot?
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