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Vigilantism can never be defended or supported John. Who gets to decide when the act can be done? The vigilante? How many Leo Franks do we need to have? Isn't one enough?

I don't defend or support vigilantism. That doesn't mean I can't be happy about it when it happens to someone like Oswald.
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If Ruby hadn't shot Oswald none of us would be here. Oswald's lies would have been exposed, his acts revealed. He couldn't explain where he was, why he left work, why he was in that movie theater, how the BYPs were made, and on and on. His alibis would have fallen apart.

You underestimate the CT mindset. James Earl Ray confessed and was convicted and that hasn't stopped people from theorizing he was part of a conspiracy. Sirhan Sirhan gunned RFK down in a crowded room and still there are people who don't even think he was a lone gunman or even that he fired the shots. His conviction didn't stop the wild speculation. Neither would Oswald's. There are people who would claim he had been railroaded.
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More important, if Ruby's act is defensible then does that mean the conspiracy crowd could be justified in shooting Ruth Paine when she lived? Some of them are certain she was one of the murderers; in fact they believe there's more evidence of her culpability than Oswald. So one of them could have shot her like Ruby shot Oswald? How about Michael Paine? Earl Warren? Hugh Aynesworth? Hoover? LBJ? Marina? There's a long list of people the conspiracy crowd is convinced murdered JFK. Would shooting them be justified? Like Ruby's act? Vigilantism for me but not for thee? How could you argue their acts, shooting Ruth Paine, was wrong?

Again, I don't justify Ruby's killing of Oswald, but I'm still glad he did it.
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No, Ruby's act is indefensible on many levels.

For those not familiar, here is the story of Leo Frank: https://www.history.com/articles/leo-frank-lynching
I can applaud Ruby's act without defending it. Oswald's murder was a terrible thing but if it was going to happen to somebody, Oswald was a damn good choice.
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The day after the assassination, about 24 hours later, LBJ calls Hoover for an update on the investigation. Hoover is confused and provides, even about a day later, wrong information.

Like this (he tells LBJ that Oswald killed a police officer during a gun battle in the theater):



Transcript is here: https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/lbjlib/phone_calls/Nov_1963/html/LBJ-Nov-1963_0029a.htm
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I was four days short of my 12th birthday was Oswald was shot. I was out playing touch football in our neighbor's yard when my younger sister came running out of their house and over to our house yelling, "Mom, somebody shot Oswald.". A man followed her out and we asked him if it was true. He said, "Yeah, somebody just walked up and BOOM". The football game ended abruptly, and I went back home and saw the replay. I've always regretted I didn't get to see it happen live. I think it was about an hour and a half later, NBC's Frank McGee came on the air and announced Oswald had died. I remember being happy to hear that and I've never felt any different for one second since. I'm glad that little bastard never got to enjoy his newfound notoriety. I think he was looking forward to that, even knowing he would probably get the death penalty. It's unlikely the sentence would have been carried out. An 86-year-old Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell. Jack Ruby handed down a death sentence Oswald couldn't appeal. Nice shot, Jack. I hope Oswald suffered greatly before he died.
Vigilantism can never be defended or supported John. Who gets to decide when the act can be done? The vigilante? How many Leo Franks do we need to have? Isn't one enough?

If Ruby hadn't shot Oswald none of us would be here. Oswald's lies would have been exposed, his acts revealed. He couldn't explain where he was, why he left work, why he was in that movie theater, how the BYPs were made, and on and on. His alibis would have fallen apart.

More important, if Ruby's act is defensible then does that mean the conspiracy crowd could be justified in shooting Ruth Paine when she lived? Some of them are certain she was one of the murderers; in fact they believe there's more evidence of her culpability than Oswald. So one of them could have shot her like Ruby shot Oswald? How about Michael Paine? Earl Warren? Hugh Aynesworth? Hoover? LBJ? Marina? There's a long list of people the conspiracy crowd is convinced murdered JFK. Would shooting them be justified? Like Ruby's act? Vigilantism for me but not for thee? How could you argue their acts, shooting Ruth Paine, was wrong?

No, Ruby's act is indefensible on many levels.

For those not familiar, here is the story of Leo Frank: https://www.history.com/articles/leo-frank-lynching
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I was four days short of my 12th birthday was Oswald was shot. I was out playing touch football in our neighbor's yard when my younger sister came running out of their house and over to our house yelling, "Mom, somebody shot Oswald.". A man followed her out and we asked him if it was true. He said, "Yeah, somebody just walked up and BOOM". The football game ended abruptly, and I went back home and saw the replay. I've always regretted I didn't get to see it happen live. I think it was about an hour and a half later, NBC's Frank McGee came on the air and announced Oswald had died. I remember being happy to hear that and I've never felt any different for one second since. I'm glad that little bastard never got to enjoy his newfound notoriety. I think he was looking forward to that, even knowing he would probably get the death penalty. It's unlikely the sentence would have been carried out. An 86-year-old Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell. Jack Ruby handed down a death sentence Oswald couldn't appeal. Nice shot, Jack. I hope Oswald suffered greatly before he died.
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MT-

You raise an arcane question. Was the ammo found in the TSBD6 0.268 or 0.264?

The gun boards say you get better results, accuracy wise, with the 0.268.

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Larry Hancock, a superb and unbiased JFKA researcher, runs a nice JFKA blog.

Herein is the less-discussed LHO G2-KGB angle. (Well, see my comments in Soviet Suspects post).

https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/

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LH:

Certainly, in comparison to narratives that have somewhat become canon, that is the “CIA and/or Mossad did it,” the narrative that assets related to the KGB or G2 might have manipulated or helped LHO perp the JFKA have been less researched.

The nutshell-story is that LBJ didn’t want a nuke war with Russia, and told Warren/WC as much, thus the LN CT was born. (John Newman says this was tricky CIA’ers at work, planting the WWIII virus, so any JFKA investigation would be stunted. This is further complicated by Newman’s later belief that CIA’er Bruce Solie, a KGB asset, was manipulating LHO. Are you following this?)

Notable: The US Ambassador to Mexico, Thomas Mann, and a well-regarded State Department staffer, Charles William Thomas, both lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.

The KGB chief in Minsk regarded LHO as an asset, though perhaps not after LHO departed Russia.

Of course, LHO in September visited three KGB’ers in MC, including wet-works boss Kostikov. They all met LHO on a Saturday.

This was about the same time Castro publicly warned the Kennedy brothers that assassination attempts could go both ways. In a different time and place with different standards, the Kennedys tried to have Castro assassinated several times, and Castro knew it.



I contend LHO likely had two accomplices or manipulators on 11.22, someone at the GK (the smoke and bang show) and another shooter behind JFK. (That is my read on the Z-film and doctor testimony, another topic.)

I doubt the JFKA conspiracy-plot was much more than that, and could have been two lower-level hotheads associated with G2 or Alpha 66, keeping in mind Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2. In other words, no instructions from above in Havana, Moscow or Washington.

What representations the Alpha 66’ers, G2’ers made to LHO—who knows?

But it is indisputable LHO’s rifle was found near the TSBD6 window, and LHO was invisible when shots rang out. A slender light-skinned male was seen in the TSBD6 window by Brennan, when shots were fired.

LHO acted like someone who was guilty, or thought he had been framed, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA. LHO is a reasonable suspect as the TSBD6 sniper, maybe even the best suspect.

The JFKA research community has largely tried to totally exonerate LHO in the assassination, but that may be the wrong tack, and one rooted in ideological biases.

It is also possible LHO was part of a very small JFKA CT.

That’s my best guess.

Benjamin Cole


How can anybody who has studied the assassination be unbiased? Such a person is going to have an opinion one way or another on the question of conspiracy.

If you think Oswald had accomplices, show us your evidence. All you've ever presented are speculations. There is no credible evidence Oswald had even a single accomplice. If he had, someone would have found it by now.
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My Carcano is a 7.35. Finding ammunition is harder, but finding ammunition that is the correct diameter (0.268" vs 0.264" for the 6.5mm version) is much easier.

the 7.35mm rifle is identical to CE139 in every way except for the bore.

If I could find a 6.5 short rifle at a reasonable cost, I might by one, but if I'm going to spend $500 on what would be a collector's item, I want it to be the same model as Oswald's. I can't think of a practical use I would have for such a rifle. I have better choices for home defense and I'm not a hunter. Even if I was, hunting with a rifle is prohibited in Ohio except for short range ammo, the kind typically used in handguns. Ohio deer hunters hunt with shotguns. There is a separate deer season a month later for hunting deer with primitive weapons, bows or muzzle loaders.
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I concur with you---there was no way anyone could know on 11.25 if the suddenly assassinated LHO had any fellow conspirators, or others who manipulated or induced LHO.

LHO's assassination was sure suspicious, and Jack Ruby had connections to the Cuba scene.

In fact, LBJ stunted any investigation into LHO ties to G2'ers or KGB.

How would you know that. Oh, that's right. You read it on the internet.
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The LN CT was a necessity in 1963-4 Washington.

Who wanted a nuke war with Russia?

Keep your imagination churning.
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Hey, I just noticed what looks like a bullet hole in the windshield….     ;)

That was from the rock I threw at him. Like, Oswald, I missed with my first shot. Unlike Oswald, I never got another.

You got to love those 3-piece polyester suits the Secret Service agents were wearing. Real popular back then. I had a light blue one just like the agent at the front on the passenger side.
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A friend and I attended Jimmy Carter’s election night celebration in Atlanta in 1976. They had free beer there.  ;D

I'll bet that made Billy happy.
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