JFK Assassination Forum

"By the time he (Katzenbach) wrote that, there was already enough evidence gathered that there was no doubt Oswald was the assassin and the WC would come to that conclusion.--JC

I agree with Michale Capasse on this one.

By Nov. 25 1963 there was no certainty about the scope and scale of the JFKA, in fact questions had just been raised by the unusual murder of LHO, suggestive of a plot to silence the one man who could squeal on confederates.

No one on Nov. 25 had done a substantial analysis of the Z-film, although some say the CIA had, and concluded there had been more than one shooter. Even if LHO had physically acted alone on Nov. 22, on Nov. 25 there was no way to ascertain if LHO had been financed, induced or guided by others.

LHO had evidently departed from TSBD6 unseen in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, meaning if he had a confederate, that individual could have also left the building unseen also.   

LBJ did not want a nuke war. LBJ probably understood that elements within the KGB and G2 could have effected the JFKA without approval from higher-ups. Going to a nuke war over what some cast-off hotheads perped would have compounded the tragedy million-fold. Yet the public and military might howl for revenge, if it even appeared that KGB and G2 had a role in the JFKA.

LBJ probably made the right choice. Bury the JFKAC...better not to know.

Leads into LHO-Cuba on the JFKA were snuffed out.

If they were snuffed out, how did you find out about them?

Unfortunately, the human body is more complicated than ellipses and circles. The relative positions of shoulders, scapulas, ribs and skin changes with different turning positions.  What I presented was a twisted torso with the shoulders aligned with the car direction and the hips facing forward.  That was his position at z271.

The impact felt by JBC is consistent with significant bullet momentum being imparted to the body suddenly. That is consistent with a forceful impact to what could only have been the fifth rib. We know the fifth rib flexed enough to cause a fracture near the spine.  That same force is also applied by the rib to the bullet and that must cause a change in bullet momentum.  Regardless of how JBC was turned, that would have been a force on the left side of the bullet meaning the change in direction had to be to the right. That would be the case whether he was turned forward or, as the witnesses said, sideways.

Many people have used ovals to show both head rotation and shoulder rotation and the relation of the head to the shoulders. You can't present an illustration in any form that will show JBC turned as he was in Z271 that would have allowed Oswald to shoot him in the back so you continue to try to bluff your way through. The shot you claim is simply impossible and we both know it and only one of us is willing to say it.

Here is where common sense has to enter the picture. The FBI doesn't speculate on probabilities when forensic evidence is not 100% conclusive. That doesn't stop reasonable people from making such judgements. Do you really think the two large pieces found by the SS in the limo came from anything except the headshot. What else could have caused a full metal jacket bullet to break apart like that?

Maybe the shot that hit JBC in the back and wrist, which was the second shot.   According to the evidence, Tague was struck by a fragment on the second shot and Greer sensed an impact in the car on the second shot.  So, according to that evidence, the second shot fragmented. How a bullet that impacted forcefully as JBC described, impacted butt-first and destroyed 10 cm  of rib and caused a comminuted fracture of the radius 2 inches above the wrist joint and came out looking like CE399 is not easy to understand.  It is especially difficult to understand not only how it could do that damage but how it could:
1. fool Agent Hickey into thinking that the second shot occurred at the same time that he was turned forward watching JFK, which we know must have been some time after we see him facing rearward in Altgens 6;
2. fool 75% of the witnesses who recalled a shot pattern into recalling that the last two shots were closer together (which would support the second shot after z255 (Altgens 6))

Zapruder's granddaughter, Alexandra, wrote a terrific book ("Twenty Six Seconds") on the film and her family. She goes over in great detail how the film was developed and what happened to it. The conspiracy crowd who insist it (what it? There were four versions) was altered look quite foolish (admittedly, they are good at that). She points out that the FBI in Washington was *unable* to make copies of the film that weekend. Their own laboratories didn't have the ability and all of the film developers in the area were closed for the weekend. If you think Hoover and the FBI and "the government" controlled all of this, that it was all orchestrated, you are really not thinking straight.

She made this point:

"By the time he (Katzenbach) wrote that, there was already enough evidence gathered that there was no doubt Oswald was the assassin and the WC would come to that conclusion.--JC

I agree with Michale Capasse on this one.

By Nov. 25 1963 there was no certainty about the scope and scale of the JFKA, in fact questions had just been raised by the unusual murder of LHO, suggestive of a plot to silence the one man who could squeal on confederates.

No one on Nov. 25 had done a substantial analysis of the Z-film, although some say the CIA had, and concluded there had been more than one shooter. Even if LHO had physically acted alone on Nov. 22, on Nov. 25 there was no way to ascertain if LHO had been financed, induced or guided by others.

LHO had evidently departed from TSBD6 unseen in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, meaning if he had a confederate, that individual could have also left the building unseen also.   

LBJ did not want a nuke war. LBJ probably understood that elements within the KGB and G2 could have effected the JFKA without approval from higher-ups. Going to a nuke war over what some cast-off hotheads perped would have compounded the tragedy million-fold. Yet the public and military might howl for revenge, if it even appeared that KGB and G2 had a role in the JFKA.

LBJ probably made the right choice. Bury the JFKAC...better not to know.

Leads into LHO-Cuba on the JFKA were snuffed out.