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If JFK was only struck from the rear, why the "back and to the left" motion of JFK's head?

Maybe due to the fact that he was sitting, wearing a tight corset/back brace, and the right side of his brain was destroyed?
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A question for all the tinfoil-hat JFKA CTs out there:

How many evil, evil, bad guys were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the planting of evidence, the shooting, the planting of more evidence, the getting-away, the film-and-photo-and-XRAY-altering, the wound altering, the casket-switching, and the all-important (and obviously ongoing!) cover up?

Oodles and gobs, or just a few?

(LOL)

Oh yeah, and was it Peter Dale Scott's "Deep State," Jimmy DiEugenio's "National Security State," or Steve Bannon's "Deep State" / "Administrative State"?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 02:22:16 AM »
I asked:

"If you have a single scrap of evidence that CE399 was the bullet recovered from Parkland, do share it."

There is no evidence that CE399 was found at Parkland.
The three men involved with the discovery of a bullet at Parkland ALL refused to identify CE399 as that bullet.
O P Wright categorically denied CE399 was the bullet found at Parkland.
CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found at Parkland without a single witness identifying it as such.
Tomlinson, the man who discovered the bullet, wasn't asked to identify it during his closed WC interview.

There is not a single scrap of evidence that CE399 was the bullet found at Parkland and lots of evidence demonstrating it wasn't.
Prix like Graves are here to disinform and misinform.
What an unbelievable KGB-loving loser he is.

Each of the people who took possession of the bullet gave evidence that they retained possession until they delivered it to the next person.  That is evidence that can establish continuity of possession.  Tomlinson found the bullet when it fell from a stretcher. He gave it to Wright who delivered it to SA Johnsen who, in turn, gave it to his superior, Rowley after Johnsen flew with it to Washington on 22Nov63 with the bullet in his possession. Rowley immediately gave it to FBI agent Todd who marked his initials on it.  One cannot expect witnesses to be able to identify the bullet from its appearance. That’s why they put their initials on it. But engineers, managers are not crime scene investigators.  Secret Service agents are not, normally, either.

Besides, Wright snd Tomlinson said in 1964, months after last seeing the bullet, that CE399 resembled the bullet they had received.  But, understandably, they could not make a positive identification.  It was not until 1967 when Josiah Thompson showed him a picture of CE399, that Wright said it did not look like the same bullet.
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Bill Shelley, face partially obscured by police officer's  is standing to the right of Danny Arce in fifth photo.

Color photo, said to be of Carol Hughes, third from left,

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4541.msg170344.html#msg170344

More detail on Mrs. John Hughes (Carol) @ link(s) below. My recollection is that she was an older woman, age 27 in 1963, married
to a man still in his teens and was a mother of a very recently born baby, and living with her in-laws.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1846.msg49061.html#msg49061

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2175.msg59801.html#msg59801
....
https://www.legacy.com/amp/obituaries/tributes/193828422
Carol Ann Patterson  1936 - 2019
Carol was born on July 1, 1936 and passed away on Wednesday, September 4, 2019.
Published in Batesville on Sep. 5, 2019.
posting someone’s death is honouring their life. who shall post ours when we pass?  and we keep posting about jfk, who is in his grave, with a light on!
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Pardon me, Mark, but this cannot be ignored. Tommy is wearing his disability on his sleeve. If TDS, vote fraud, antifa, or Biden era "lawfare" actually existed,
Tommy could be a true believer in all of them and still not be as divorced from reality as he is in his suspicion of you, quoted above!

Tommy, regardless your position on the influence of nature vs nurture,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture

....Mark has an unrivaled background, either way.
(Mark, I'll delete the text following this line, if you prefer....)

His grandma's obit, which I located, motivated by my own curiousity. In the more than the dozen years I have known Mark, I am confident I would
have had to pry out the details of what shaoed his development, if I had not established a starting point to question him.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143570513/katherine-m-mcandrew

Consider who Mark's grandma's two siblings were, as well as her son, Mark's uncle Bill. A hint... who did Garrison complain to the FCC was not willing
to grant him "equal time"?

Google AI
Google AI :
Mark's first cousin, uncle Bill's daughter.:

Mark was author Leo Damore's researcher. He attempted to talk some sense into Princeton educated psychologist, Peter Janney, son of the personnel director
of the CIA. Obviously Dr. Janney "knew what he knew," and was beyond Mark's fact supported counsel.
Yeah, cousin Mary got hit on the head by a rock thrown towards one of Mayor Daley’s finest.  Gave her some ‘street cred’ lol.  But making matters worse for me was running into Peter’s mom at Hillwood, where my wife was a volunteer. We talked mostly about what was happening underneath the sea, and why we should start there instead of spending so much money in outer space.
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MTG-

I could never make heads or tails of the acoustics evidence, and have no idea what anyone is talking about. I heard the tape, and it is a series of clicks.

There are problems with every scenario. For example, if JFK was struck from the GK, why an "exit wound" in the right rear lower portion of his skull?

If JFK was struck from the front, how did bullets pass through the limo windshield? The HSCA sent a guy to look at the windshield, and he saw no through-and-through hole.

If JFK was only struck from the rear (my view, btw), why the "back and to the left" motion of JFK's head?

Why did the Connallys report no gunshot from the front?

The HSCA seemed satisfied JFK was struck from the rear, although having doubts about Baden is justified.

I strongly suspect the cadence of shots is what matters, which was too-rapid for a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle.

The "Secret Service" man on the GK flashing a SS credentials at not one, but two, law enforcement officers...remains totally unexplained by the LNT'ers, or the WC, or the HSCA for that matter. That defies the imagination.


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MTG--

Evidently I am more odious than you!

I am still banned from the EF-JFKA.

I like it here more anyway. I do wish, in both forums, participants would adopt a more collegial tone.
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Just the opposite...I had recently finished Michael Collins Piper's book 'Final Judgment' when Tappy Wright came out with his claim that Jimi manager Michael Jeffery confessed to murdering Jimi...It was the Bahamian dirty money laundry offshore banks that made me realize the same pattern between Jimi's assassination and Kennedy's...When you follow the money those banks were of prime interest to the same CIA dirty money interests that influenced the Kennedy assassination...The fact Michael Jeffery was British Intelligence led to his knowledge of those banks and I suspect Jeffery wasn't stealing Jimi's money for himself but was following orders, instead, as part of an anti-communist black ops funding program...This would explain Jeffery's strange death in a mid-air plane collision where French Air Traffic Control was conveniently on strike...BCCI, Permindex - it is highly possible Jeffery was funneling Jimi's money in to those covert programs which explains the urgency to murder Jimi as well as Jeffery...

I'm the only person who realized the forensic evidence at Jimi's autopsy proved homicide when the correct timeline was inputted...I met Wecht and interviewed him on this...I'm also friends with the doctor who tried to save Jimi...This, of course, earns me elevated banning at The Education Forum - even though its is prime material and leads in the field...It strains credulity that CIA didn't know exactly what happened to Jimi and why...

Why, why, why would intelligence forces have wanted to murder Jimi Hendrix? I didn't see a credible motive in your reply. And why, why, why would the CIA have cared what happened to Jimi Hendrix?

Did you know that Hendrix was a veteran? He served in the Army before the Vietnam War got going. Did you know that Hendrix voiced support for our soldiers fighting in Vietnam?

The idea that Secret Team elements killed Hendrix strikes me as unbelievable as the claim that the Secret Team murdered John Lennon and Princess Diana.

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Great news: Yesterday I received an email from the new lead moderator of the Education Forum (JFK Assassination Debate) advising me that my ban has been lifted and inviting me to resume posting in the forum. And, William Niederhut is no longer a moderator.

If you see a decrease in the frequency of my posts and replies, it will be because I have resumed posting in the Ed Forum. 
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Your only counter-argument is that Baker should have seen Shelley and Lovelady ahead of him??
You seem to imagine that the first floor is a wide open, empty space.
It's nothing of the sort.
You also seem to imagine that everyone travelled in the same straight, diagonal line that led directly from the entrance of the first floor to the elevators. (What makes you think they travelled in a diagonal line anyway?)
I can't help it if you have no idea how cluttered this space was.
At least you've grasped the concept that Shelley and Lovelady could just move into this space while Baker and Truly were interacting in the lobby.
As I said, it's not a difficult concept to grasp.
Your counter-argument is really weak which is very telling.
You are having a problem visualising what is happening because you imagine the first floor to be empty. Once you grasp how cluttered it was it might become clear why Baker didn't see Shelley and Lovelady near the back of the first floor.



So, that's your main counter-argument dealt with.
What else do you have?

Also, why would Lovelady/Shelley want to go to the freight elevators and then just lay around there?


Lay around there?
What are you talking about?
What are you imagining?
That the first floor is this wide open, empty space with a few hammocks in it?
It's hard to discuss these issues with someone who can't grasp the basic realities of the situation.
What makes it even harder is that you never pay attention to what anyone else is posting.
Look back a few Replies and you'll see I posted this:

The question is - what were they up to?

What were they covering up?

What is there, towards the back of the first floor, that could be so important?


It has been demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements.
The lied to cover up their real movements.
They lied to cover up the fact that they immediately made their way towards the back of the first floor where they were seen by Adams and Baker.
That they lied is not up for debate.

My opinion is that Adams/Styles got their timeline screwed up.

The reason your opinion is wrong is because it is based solely on the lies of Shelley and Lovelady.

They literally have no reason to be there at that point in time. None.

You literally have no idea if that is true.
Just because you can't imagine what they are up to doesn't mean anything.
They were witnessed in that area approximately 50 - 60 seconds after the shooting. Just because it's not clear what they were doing there doesn't mean they weren't witnessed there. That would be a crazy way to look at things.

  Bump - cluttered freight elevator area
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