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There are people out there straight-facedly saying Trump is unfairly accused...
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The clique protects Prayer Man and corrupts JFK research...

Even Morley is afraid to elaborate...

Not one word about obtaining and scanning the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...Instead we get Larry Schnapf pandering to the Prayer Man people and explaining why the Task Force is never going to try to get the 6th Floor copy...That is a direct serving of the Prayer Man groups' (Greg Parker) corruption of JFK research...The reason there is no discussion of the 6th Floor Museum Jones copy showing Sarah Stanton's dress neckline is because the hijacking clique on The Education Forum is completely aware that it proves Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...The Luna Task Force could obtain the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy any time it desired only the Prayer Man people have reached their slimy octopus arm of corruption all they way to Congress via DiEugenio...Ask Andrew Iler how he defines that via the site rules...It isn't what you know it is who you know via the buddy buddy system that fraudulent forum operates under...

How honest is it for Mr Unger to bring the film that finally settled the Prayer Man issue to The Education Forum and not discuss or show its most important aspect?...

The reason there is no participation in Robin's thread over there on the EF is because they know it shows Stanton's dress neckline and they are intentionally de-populating to subject in order to avoid the Prayer Man head-hunters...
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As I suspected...you lack the backbone to answer the incredibly simple yes/no question that forms the basis of this thread. The thread specifically created to deal with this subject - the ridiculous claims of those who believe Rowland invented a man with a rifle on the 6th floor of the TSBD building and, by some miracle, happened to be right.

I understand why you won't just come out and answer a simple yes or no.
You won't do it because of how ridiculous it would make you look...and even you have your limits.

And I will debate you about any aspect of this anytime. As I say, watching you fall apart never gets old.

What I think is immaterial.

This is the truest thing you have ever posted.

Dan O’Meara:
I had to start this thread in response to something a Nutter posted on another thread insinuating that Arnold Rowland made up seeing the man with the rifle on the 6th floor of the TSBD building.
Of all the crazy things the Warren Commission has forced Nutters to believe this has to be right up there.

Who posted it? Why so vague?

Every thread subject is a debate. You do not seem to know that. It is in the heading. Maybe that is why you do so poorly at it. You don't realize where you are at.

You are currently posting on this site.

JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate


Here I will read it to you. ...AND DEBATE.
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Your entire article is nothing more than a litany of excuses for dismissing all that damning evidence against Oswald. If your excuses carried any weight, you should be able to put together a plausible alternative narrative that takes into account all that evidence including your pathetic excuses. We both know that no such plausible alternative narrative is possible or somebody would have come up with one by now. It's been almost 63 years since the assassination and no one has come close to developing a scenario that explains the entire body of evidence. CTs are in the business of explaining away the evidence as your article demonstrates.

Uh-huh. You bet. IOW, your scenario has been debunked by physical evidence, by scientific evidence, by rifle tests, by reenactments, and by numerous released documents, but it must still be true because no one has presented an alternative scenario that you are willing to accept. That's what you're saying.

How about if you write an article that responds to the points and evidence presented in my article? Hey? Oh, but in order to do that, you'd have to actually read my article.
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For those who might be interested, I have uploaded a substantially revised and expanded version of my article "Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald.".

The new edition examines the following subjects:

-- Oswald and the alleged murder weapon.

-- The ordering of the alleged murder weapon.

-- The paper bag, the blanket, and the fingerprints on some of the boxes near the sixth-floor window.

-- The shirt fibers found on the Carcano rifle.

-- The trigger-guard fingerprints and the dubious claim of Scalice and Powdrill that they are Oswald's prints.

-- The suspicious latent palm print that Lt. Day belatedly claimed he saw and lifted.

-- The alleged ballistic evidence, especially CE 543 (the dented shell).

-- Scientific evidence that Oswald did not shoot JFK.

-- The disclosure of the results of the NAA testing of the paraffin cast made of Oswald's right cheek.

-- PSE polygraph analysis of Oswald's declarations of innocence, and a response to DeGrilla's misleading attack on the PSE evidence.

-- Indications of fraud in the backyard rifle photos.

-- Oswald's marksmanship in the Marine Corps.

-- What Oswald's former Marine colleagues and fellow Minsk gun club members said about his shooting ability (that he was a "poor" and "extremely poor" shot).

-- The alleged lone-gunman shooting feat and the rifle tests done by the WC, CBS, and the HSCA.

-- Oswald's whereabouts before, during, and immediately after the shooting.

-- Witnesses and the police lineups.

-- Howard Brennan.

-- Prayer Man.

-- The single-bullet theory (SBT).

-- Guinn's NAA and the SBT.

-- Problems with the case against Oswald in the Tippit shooting.

-- The wedding ring and cash allegedly left on Marina Oswald’s nightstand on the morning of the assassination.

-- Oswald's post-assassination actions from 12:30 to 1:15.

-- The claim that Oswald snuck into the Texas Theatre without paying.

-- The arrest of Oswald in the Texas Theatre.

-- The Robert Baer team's research.

-- Howard Donahue's research.

Your entire article is nothing more than a litany of excuses for dismissing all that damning evidence against Oswald. If your excuses carried any weight, you should be able to put together a plausible alternative narrative that takes into account all that evidence including your pathetic excuses. We both know that no such plausible alternative narrative is possible or somebody would have come up with one by now. It's been almost 63 years since the assassination and no one has come close to developing a scenario that explains the entire body of evidence. CTs are in the business of explaining away the evidence as your article demonstrates.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 03:30:14 PM »
I made a typo error. I meant Z223. We agree that JFK and JC are reacting to same bullet. Yes I like the Z223 as a 1st shot hit followed  4.8 sec later for 2nd shot at Z312, then a 2.5 sec 3rd shot that was not aimed but just a final “exclamation” shot which a kook like Oswald might have done. ( he kept the rifle sticking out several seconds after Z313 such that Bob Jackson and Malcolm Couch spotted it and saw it “slowly withdrawn” as though the gunman was enjoying watching the pandemonium reactions of the crowd.

Oswald apparently was considering a fourth shot because he chambered his last round. Just as apparent is he decided it wasn't necessary. The evidence for a shot following the headshot is as thin as gruel.
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The only way that Givens story would make any sense at all is if Arnold Rowland made up his pre event sighting of a man at the SE window 6th floor TSBD.

Because if Oswald was originally planning to shoot from SW window , he would not have been at the SE preparing the SE window 3 stacked boxes when Givens saw him at about 11:55.

So the 3 boxes would have to been placed only after Oswald had gone to SW window at 12:15 and saw Bonnie Ray Williams which prompted Oswald to quickly retreat from the SW window.

I have a viable scenario  for Oswald as the 6th floor shooter only if I can have some variation of timing allowed for Mrs Garner, Carolyn Arnold, and allowance for the 2nd half of Arnold Rowlands story of sighting the “elderly black man” at SW window at 12:15 as being a post event mistaken memory of seeing Harold Norman with dust in his hair.

Also I need a minute or more for the Bronson film starting at 12:26 or 12:27 rather than 12:25. I think is possible because it’s not CERTAIN that the Bronson film begins at 12:25.

Then the shooting sequence I use is Dans Z223 1st shot hit , Z313 2nd shot hit and 3rd shot 2.5 secs after Z313 as a “celebration” or “exclamation” shot fired unaimed because Oswald was a Kook. This fits with the 1….2.3 pattern , is about only 6.5 sec for all 3 shots with fits close enough to Harold Norman’s 4-5 sec recall as well as the general witness perception of 3 shots fired rapidly.

There is no evidence Oswald ever planned to shoot from the SW window. He might have scouted different locations and considered his options. He settled on the the SE window and it is clear that was the best choice because it allowed him to fire directly down Elm St. A shot from the SW window would have given him a difficult cross shot. He might have considered the SW window to see if shooting at the limo as it approached was a viable choice. The results vindicated his choice of the SE window.
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After I first began to study the JFK case, I came across conspiracy theorist Harrison Edward Livingstone's rejection of the HSCA's acoustical evidence. When he cited the alleged Decker "hold everything" crosstalk, I didn't know enough to see any problem with it.

However, when Livingstone stressed that one of his reasons for rejecting the acoustical evidence was that the shots could not be heard with the naked ear on the dictabelt, my acoustical training led me too see a potential red flag. I knew that if the DPD radio system included Automatic Gain Control (AGC) circuitry, the AGC would have prevented the shots from being recorded loudly enough to be heard with the naked ear. 

This was my first hint that the case against the acoustical evidence might not be nearly as strong as "everyone" seemed to think it was.

However, I remained skeptical of the acoustical evidence until I obtained a copy of the HSCA volumes and read the testimony and reports of the committee's acoustical scientists.

When I later read the NRC/NAS panel's critique of the acoustical evidence, one of the first things I realized was that the panel did not even address several key items of evidence that the BBN and Queens College acoustical scientists had documented.

I was like, "Wait a minute. How can you guys claim to have refuted the acoustical evidence when you haven't even mentioned some of the key scientific findings that support it?" I was referring, of course, to the gunfire N-waves, complete with muzzle blasts and muzzle-blast echoes in the correct timing and order, and the gunfire windshield distortions on the dictabelt.

I also recognized that the panel had acknowledged that their own calculations showed there was a 93% probability that the timing-movement correlations identified by the BBN scientists occurred because the tape recorded gunfire in Dealey Plaza. I noticed that the panel made this admission as obliquely as possible and oddly said nothing about its obvious importance.

I further recognized that the panel had acknowledged that their own calculations showed there was a 77.7% probability that the dictabelt's 144.9 impulse pattern was caused by gunfire from the grassy knoll. Here, too, I noticed that the panel made this admission as obliquely as possible and said nothing about its obvious importance.

I thought, "Ok, 77.7% isn't as high as '95% or higher,' but it's still pretty high." This, of course, was before I learned that the panel's calculations included two outright errors, and that the "95% or higher" probability was actually closer to 99%.

I wondered how the panel could dismiss the acoustical evidence given these admissions and given their failure to address several key scientific findings that supported the acoustical evidence.

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