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A windshield repair person would most likely conclude the windshield damage came from outside...

Bill "Rubbernecking" Greer was likely being put on notice... "don't divulge why you slowed the limo... we can get to you too..."


I never cease to be amazed at the things CTs can dream up without an ounce of evidence to support it.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 07:50:19 PM »
If Connally was trying to glance at JFK over his right shoulder around Z-180, I would expect to see him turn his head so the light from JFK could reach his eyes.

So that the light from JFK could reach his eyes?

I have no idea what you're talking about, Sir Isaac Newton.

You seem to be saying that if Connally was trying to do what I think he was trying to do around Z-180, he would have turned farther to his right than he did.

I think it's reasonable to assume that large-man Connally turned as far to his right as he could in the confined space in his attempt to catch a view of JFK out of the corner of his eye, but he couldn't "see" (i.e., recognize) JFK out of the corner of said eye because JFK's head was also turned far to his right and because his right hand was raised to wave to someone and was, therefore, partially blocking Connally's (peripheral) view of his face.

Connally may have even thought that the reason he couldn't "see" JFK was because JFK had been hit and was down.

I think that's why he decided to turn back to his left to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder -- but unfortunately was hit by CE-399 before he could complete his pivot.

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In his 11 December 1963 statement, Connally said he saw three buildings, including the Country Records building.  Do you think he can see those buildings at z180?  I don't see how.

I told you he (and Nellie, bless her pea-pickin' heart) was mixed up.

It sounds as though Connally conflated what he saw around Z-180 with what he saw after he was wounded by CE-399.

I guess intense pain and/or trauma can do funny things to one's memories.

As a well-known charismatic politician, it was second nature for Connally to project an aura of confidence and certainty, but in-so-doing he unfortunately misled a lot of people regarding the timing of Oswald's three shots.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 07:26:31 PM »
Why doesn't Greer have his eyes on the road?

What's Nellie looking at?

Connaly said after the first shot, he turned to his right and tried to catch a glance of JFK over his right shoulder.

Don't you think that's what he's doing in Z-180?

He said he immediately recognized the first loud noise as a rifle shot and turned to look back at JFK.  If he was wanting to do that around z180 I would be expecting to see him turning his head so the light from JFK could reach his eyes.  Also, in his Dec. 11/63 statement he said he saw three buildings including the Country Records building.  Do you think he can see those buildings at z180?  I don't see how.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 07:14:42 PM »


Why doesn't Greer have his eyes on the road?

What's Nellie looking at?

Connaly said after the first shot, he turned to his right and tried to catch a glance of JFK over his right shoulder.

Don't you think that's what he's doing in Z-180?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z180.jpg
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Huh, so a "specular highlight" takes the appearance of cracks on the windshield? The damage disappears because the angle of the windshield to the camera changes, not because it's a "specular highlight."

As for Altgens 6, I cannot force you to admit you can see what you don't want to admit you can see. Roy Schaeffer noticed the windshield damage in Altgens 6 way back in the 1960s. Anthony DeFiore also identified windshield damage in Altgens 6 and provided high-quality enlargements of the photo showing the damage. Dr. Mantik has likewise identified windshield damage in the photo and in the same area noted by Weldon, DeFiore, and Schaeffer. But, I'm confident you guys will continue to insist you don't see it.

Regarding my photogrammetry, I had to educate you on the meaning of the term "parallax" (although you did catch me in a math gaffe resulting from the PEP's curious use of the term "results"), while Mytton made the hilarious claim that the HSCA PEP found "massive parallax" in the backyard photos, when in fact the PEP explained that the parallax they found was so tiny that it could only be detected with the aid of computer analysis and high magnification.

For the benefit of other readers, regarding the issue of parallax and the backyard rifle photos, parallax is the apparent shift in an object’s position when viewed from two different points; as applied to the backyard photos, it refers to changes in the camera's position between exposures as indicated by the differences in the distances between background objects in the photos.

The HSCA's photographic experts (PEP) found very small differences between the distances in background objects in the 133-A and 133-B backyard rifle photos, differences that were so small they required the use of  “computer-assisted photographic evaluation” and also “examination under magnification with magnifiers and microscopes” to detect (2 HSCA 398, 405). The slight parallax between 133-A and 133-B proves the backyard photos could not have been taken in the manner claimed by the official version.

And note that the PEP only tested for horizontal and vertical parallax and only in two of the photos. Revealingly, they did not test to see if the camera moved angularly in any direction, i.e., if there was any pitch, yaw, or roll in the camera’s position between exposures.

The official story is that Marina Oswald took the three backyard photos and handed the camera to Lee between each exposure so he could forward the film for her. Leaving aside the fact that Marina later said those photos were not the ones she took, if the photos had been taken in this manner, there would have been far greater differences in the distances between background objects in the photos, i.e., the camera's position would have changed much more between exposures, and not just horizontally and vertically but also angularly.

Achieving the extremely small amount of parallax detected in the backyard photos would be difficult to achieve in the alleged circumstances even when using a tripod and a camera that automatically forwarded the film after each exposure. Mr. Brian Mee, an NSA photographer and photographic lab technician, emphasized this point when I interviewed him in the 1990s.

"The HSCA and Fraud in the Backyard Rifle Photos"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JiOqKWO-XJSO-z_lk6bSgUBXq_vD1yZs/view?usp=sharing
MTG: Huh, so a "specular highlight" takes the appearance of cracks on the windshield? The damage disappears because the angle of the windshield to the camera changes, not because it's a "specular highlight."

No, a bullet hole though automotive safety glass --specifically the "frosted" area around the hole-- reflects white no matter the viewing angle so long as you can see the face of the glass.


MTG: Roy Schaeffer noticed the windshield damage in Altgens 6 way back in the 1960s. Anthony DeFiore also identified windshield damage in Altgens 6 and provided high-quality enlargements of the photo showing the damage. Dr. Mantik has likewise identified windshield damage in the photo and in the same area noted by Weldon, DeFiore, and Schaeffer

So where are the "high quality enlargements" that show the damage? Without those, this is just name-dropping a cavalcade of crackpots, as Mark Ulrik has already noted.


MTG: Regarding my photogrammetry

You still have no idea what you're talking about, when you talk about photogrammetry.

And the Gish Gallop you just launched is nothing more than an attempt at a diversion and a fringe reset. All the claims you just made have already been destroyed in other threads. 

 




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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 06:43:31 PM »
Rosemary Willis' head cannot be seen in z150 because she is behind Croft.  When she emerges by z160 her head/hood is turned to the right, which is in the general direction of the President's car.  I can't tell where her eyes are looking so I am surprised that you think you can.

Perhaps you missed the rest of the post.

Here it is, again, for you:


You: Bennett is looking [to his right] in Z-145, but he is not leaning [to his right] any discernible amount.

ME: Bennett is starting to lean to his right in Z-145.

He's leaning to his right even more in Z-150.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)


You: If either Hickey or Bennett leans out, it is to look forward.

ME: You're wrong about Hickey but right about Bennett.

Having heard the first shot,

1) George Hickey leans over the side of the car and looks down at the pavement, not "forward" at the limo or the approaching triple underpass, etc.

2) Glen Bennett leans to his right to view JFK around Dave Powers. While looking at JFK, he sees the second shot hit him in the back (lower neck, actually).


Regarding Hickey:


ME: Why did Hickey lean over and look down at the pavement before the second shot rang out?

Google AI: George Hickey leaned forward and looked toward the pavement because he believed a firecracker had exploded on the street right next to the car.

In his official Secret Service Report from November 30, 1963, Hickey explicitly detailed his physical reaction to that first loud noise:

The noise seemed to me to come from a firecracker, and I thought to myself that the kids were playing with firecrackers again... It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level. I heard a report that sounded like a firecracker... I immediately stood up and looked and argued with myself that it was a firecracker.

Because his brain processed the first gunshot as a ground-level firecracker prank rather than a rifle shot from above, his immediate reflex was to look down at the street surface to see where the firecracker had gone off.

. . . . . . .

My comments:

Note that Hickey doesn't say that he stood up and turned around and looked in the direction of the TSBD -- that came a few seconds later (and was famously captured in Altgens-6) after Oswald's second shot at approximately Z-222.

Also note that he said in his 11/22/63 report that the car he was in had travelled a "very short distance" down Elm Street when the aforementioned firecracker-like sound occurred.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 06:37:25 PM »
Rosemary Willis' head cannot be seen in z150 because she is behind Croft.  When she emerges by z160 her head/hood is turned to the right, which is in the general direction of the President's car.  I can't tell where her eyes are looking so I am surprised that you think you can.

We can tell by the rest of her body which direction she's facing.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 06:33:35 PM »

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)

Rosemary Willis' head cannot be seen in z150 because she is behind Croft.  When she emerges by z160 her head/hood is turned to the right, which is in the general direction of the President's car.  I can't tell where her eyes are looking so I am surprised that you think you can.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 06:14:51 PM »
Bennett is looking [to his right] in Z-145, but he is not leaning [to his right] any discernible amount.

Bennett is starting to lean to his right in Z-145.

He's leaning out more in Z-150.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

(Note that Rosemary Willis has completely turned around to look in the direction of the TSBD.)

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If either Hickey or Bennett leans out, it is to look forward.

You're wrong about Hickey but right about Bennett.

Having heard the first shot,

1) George Hickey leans over the side of the car and looks down at the pavement, not "forward" at the limo or the approaching triple underpass, etc.

2) Glen Bennett leans to his right to view JFK around Dave Powers. While looking at JFK, he sees the second shot hit him in the back (lower neck, actually).


Regarding Hickey:

ME: Why did Hickey lean over and look down at the pavement before the second shot rang out?

Google AI: George Hickey leaned forward and looked toward the pavement because he believed a firecracker had exploded on the street right next to the car.

In his official Secret Service Report from November 30, 1963, Hickey explicitly detailed his physical reaction to that first loud noise:

"The noise seemed to me to come from a firecracker, and I thought to myself that the kids were playing with firecrackers again... It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level. I heard a report that sounded like a firecracker... I immediately stood up and looked and argued with myself that it was a firecracker."
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A windshield repair person would most likely conclude the windshield damage came from outside...

Bill "Rubbernecking" Greer was likely being put on notice... "don't divulge why you slowed the limo... we can get to you too..."
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