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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:52:06 PM »
Defence counsel want you on their juries.

As it should be. The defendant gets the benefit of the doubt in criminal trials. A prosecutor who lies primarily on uncorroborated eyewitness testimony will leave me with lots of doubt.

The innocence Project has gotten hundreds of wrongfully convicted people exonerated through DNA and other hard evidence. The vast majority of these wrongful convictions were due to erroneous eyewitness accounts. Jurors have a tendency to place too much faith in the accuracy of eyewitness testimony. That makes no sense to me because it is far less reliable than physical evidence and expert testimony.

You should read the following, not that I expect it will do you any good.

https://innocenceproject.org/eyewitness-misidentification/
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It has been a long time since we have discussed Ukraine. A couple of years ago, particularly after Trump won the 2024 election, some here were arguing that things were hopeless for Ukraine. Well, how are things going there? Russia gains have ground to a half. Their main efforts now seem to be to kill as many Ukrainian civilians as they can.

Will the Ukrainian civilians stand up to these drone attacks? I am confident that the answer is yes. So far, in four years of war, Russian has killed around 15,800 Ukrainian civilians, according to the UN's OHCHR estimates. How do these losses, in proportion to their population, rank with other civilian loses in the past and recently.

Germany, 1940-1945: One in 177 civilians killed
Great Britain, 1940-1945: One in 618 civilians killed
America, 2022-2026, One in 2,068 civilians killed in automobile accidents.
Ukraine, 2022-2026, One in 2,318 known civilians killed by Russia.

I expect America to throw in the towel and swear off driving cars before I see Ukraine throw in the towel.

Also, likely far more Ukrainians have died in face-to-face encounters with Russian troops than from drone or missile attack. Most of these deaths are unrecorded because they occur in Russian held territory. But when Ukraine recaptured a lot of territory in the spring of 2022, the bodies of 4,313 were found, killed not by drones but Russia troops. The true number of Ukrainians killed by drones or missiles is more like 12,000. And the number of Ukrainian civilians killed at close range by Russian troops is likely several times that. Giving in to Russia will likely not cause this death rate to stop but to greatly increase.

Ukraine has a wolf by the ears. They have no other choice. And as they stay the course, the wolf is getting weaker and weaker and must eventually whimper for mercy and abandon all Ukrainian territory. It will quickly turn into a strong wolf if they do otherwise.

Slava Ukraine !
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Thanks for the info.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 09:20:42 PM »
I know it is.
That requires common sense.
Because they did not accurately recall the event. Very common among eyewitnesses.
Defence counsel want you on their juries.
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I also noted that Ed Berger at the Ed Forum dialogued with Leslie Sharp on this and specifically referenced the Stanford archive, so he might be another source. For those - like me - who have no clue about any of this, the link to the Stanford archive is below. What Dan is calling daybooks are listed as "daily appointment books." And that's all I have to say about that.

https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/static/ark:/13030/tf6k40059b
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   For starters, it is ILLEGAL to park alongside the Island.

Yes it is. We should have the death penalty for that offense.
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The Hughes Film shows a car parked in the same position alongside the Island about 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Above that car is a sign attached to the Traffic Light Pole that reads, "No Parking at any time".

The bastards were illegally parked for 20 minutes. Hanging is too good for them.
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Just look at the feet of the people standing on the Island. You can see the Street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would Not be able to see the street. A car parked behind them would block the view of the street. What you are seeing is a car on the other side of the street. It is pointed toward the railroad yard. You are seeing the (L) rear fender/tail light/trunk of a car on the other side of the street, close to the Huge Gates.

Proof positive it was a getaway car. <chuckle>
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It is comical that you think any of this is an indication the car in question is a getaway car. How you conclude one from the other is truly amazing. For example, you assume a photo of a cop with a shotgun pointed upward is an indication he was guarding the car. I have seen lots of footage of DPD officers holding shotguns surrounding the TSDB looking at the upper floors of the building. With these officers surrounding the building, it is not at all surprising that one of them would be standing near the car in question. Your silliness is in assuming that because one of the cops was near the car he was guarding the car.

    You have already gone on record as to NO LONGER doing any JFK Assassination research. You have No Idea with respect to the JFK Assassination Images surrounding this "getaway" car, or the DPD Cop standing/watching the car. "Surrounding the TSBD..." has absolutely nothing to do with the opposite side of the Elm St Extension.  And don't make me spank you again regarding your declaration that this car was "impounded".  You simply do Not know what you are blathering about.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK Videos
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 06:12:59 PM »
    This is what you guys do. Repeat OPINION over and over until it naively gets accepted as being a Fact. Basically, rewriting history for the masses that were Not around at the time. There is NOTHING supporting this 10.2 seconds historical "rewrite".

It is quite ironic that you would accuse others of rewriting history given that pretty much everything you write is revisionist history. Nobody has ever hypothesized the things you have and with good reason.
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No, in my layman's view all the doctors in Parkland and Bethesda were honest and scrupulous, and the x-rays of Gov. JBC's wrist genuine.

I agree with Parkland's Dr Gregory, JBC's wrist surgeon, that it is highly improbable that JBC was  holding onto his hat, after being shot through the wrist. 

Ergo...Gov JBC had not yet been shot through the wrist, at Z-272.
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I agree with Parkland's Dr Gregory, JBC's wrist surgeon, that it is highly improbable that JBC was  holding onto his hat, after being shot through the wrist. 


I have never read that Dr Gregory ever made that statement. At least not to the WC.

Dr Gregory's priority was to repair the wrist and would have no knowledge of JBC holding his hat.

When Dr Gregory was asked if the bullet that struck JBC’s arm was a direct shot he stated no.

Mr. DULLES - Could I ask just one question? If a bullet had merely struck the Governor's arm without previously having struck anything else, is it conceivable that impediment of the bone that it hit there would be consistent with merely a flesh wound on the thigh? Do you follow me?
Dr. GREGORY - Yes; I follow you. I would doubt it on the basis of the kind of wound that the Governor has. Now the kind of wound in the Governor's right forearm is the kind that indicates there was not an excessive amount of energy expended there, which means either that the missile producing it had dissipated much of its energy, either that or there was an impediment to it someplace else along the way.
It is simply that there was not enough energy loss there, and one would expect a soft tissue injury beyond that point to be of considerably greater magnitude.


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Dr Gregory’s gives a detailed description of the wound and what could have caused it.

Dr. GREGORY - In examining this bullet, I find a small flake has been either knocked off or removed from the rounded end of the missile.
(At this point Representative Boggs entered the room.)
I was told that this was removed for the purpose of analysis. The only other deformity which I find is at the base of the missile at the point where it Joined the cartridge carrying the powder, I presume, and this is somewhat flattened and deflected, distorted. There is some irregularity of the darker metal within which I presume to represent lead.
The only way that this missile could have produced this wound in my view, was to have entered the wrist backward. Now, this is not inconsistent with one of the characteristics known for missiles which is to tumble. All missiles in flight have two motions normally, a linear motion from the muzzle of the gun to the target, a second motion which is a spinning motion having to do with maintaining the integrity of the intial linear direction, but if they strike an object they may be caused to turn in their path and tumble end over, and if they do, they tend to produce a greater amount of destruction within the strike time or the target, and they could possibly, if tumbling in air upon emergence, tumble into another target backward. That is the only possible explanation I could offer to correlate this missile with this particular wound.
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Mr. SPECTER - Is the back of that bullet characteristic of an irregular missile so as to cause the wound in the wrist?
Dr. GREGORY - I would say that the back of this being fiat and having sharp edges is irregular, and would possibly tend to tear tissues more than does an inclined plane such as this.


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Just in case anyone missed it on DVP's "JFK Videos" thread, this is JBC's first interview, conducted in June 1964. He extensively discusses the shooting and the WC's efforts to convince him of the SBT. (The WR would not be issued for months, and the interview proceeds as though the SBT was not yet final.) JBC is adamant and, from a lawyer's perspective, a fantastic witness. In later years, he must have been under great pressure to toe the line, but he is adamant here.

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