JFK Assassination Forum

I guess it's just "the game," and without "players" there would be no "game," but I'm mystified as to why people keep feeling the need to engage with and try to refute self-evident nonsense? It just give the nonsense a veneer of credibility, as though it needed to be refuted and there's some fear that rational people might be persuaded. The one definitive response to someone like MTG is, "What you say MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL." Put it into a narrative that ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE and we'll talk. You can't, and you don't try, because IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. Folks who engage with MTG on his goofy "facts" are playing on his turf, just egging on his nonsense and ratcheting him up to the next level of nonsense. People who believe the things MTG asserts have cognitive faculties that are not tracking in the channels of normality. It's that simple. Engaging with MTG is like going to the local institution and trying to convince with rational argument the guy who insists he's Napoleon that he isn't really Napoleon. If you lined up the Z-film alteration fans - MTG, David Josephs, Keven Hofeling, et al. - you'd have a cast of characters who are intelligent, educated, articulate ... and completely outside the channels of rational thought, at least in this area of their lives. This was one great lesson of my three years of representing a mental health agency in the commitment of folks with serious mental illnesses who were deemed a danger to themselves or others. Few were obviously "crazy." Some held responsible positions. But they were way outside the channels of normality. At least when it comes to the JFKA, the narrative that Z-film alteration fans promote is way outside the channels of normality. If you can't see this, perhaps you have a problem. Accept my challenge and try to articulate a JFKA narrative from A to Z whereby the need to alter the Z-film and the alteration itself ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE. Maybe work Napoleon into it if you think it will help.

  Trump just says what most people are afraid to say. That's why he consistently defies the polling and has been elected POTUS 3 times. Boys in girls locker rooms, Boys competing against girls, wide open borders, these are issues that Trump bluntly spells out. The vast majority of the voting public agrees with him. The Dem's want to shut him up any way they can, even though he is a Lame Duck. Trump's "straight talking" brings out into the open the absurdity of the Dem Party Policies. 
  And Trump is not afraid to continue pointing out the 2020 Election was rigged. People KNOW that election was crooked, just as the recent Calif Primary was. Same M.O. employed for both elections. Count alleged ballots endlessly until the Dem Candidate stuffs the box enough to turn the election around. 

I always chuckle when people refer to the JFKA hobby as an ongoing investigation. Some investigation. I've been at this for 35 years since Oliver Stone's movie came out. While my own body of knowledge has grown exponentially, I can't say the same for the information that is widely available. The conspiracy hobby has been around a lot longer than the 35 years I have been involved. There have been a few bread crumbs that become known that weren't available in 1991 and some advances in technology have shed some new light on the information available, but for the most part, not much has changed. The discussions are pretty much focused on the same things that were being kicked around 35 years ago.

Can somebody tell me what we know now that wasn't known in 1991 that significantly changes the discussion? From my perspective, it's more of the same old crap. For the most part, the CT community is just polishing old turds.

There are crazies in both parties but on the left they are in charge.  In the Republican party, they are in the margins.  Trump says some crazy things but more often than not pursues policies grounded in common sense.  The media fixates on the words and ignores the positive results.  A conflict is being resolved today that they suggested would result in WWIII and genocide.  Are they apologizing?  Nope.  The news is all about the UFC match and the Kennedy Center.   Minoriites and younger people tend to vote for Dems for their own reasons but have been less influenced by the propaganda than the elderly, white academic types who have been completely brainwashed.

I don't think most people appreciate what Donald Trump has done. Leaders don't get credit for the disasters they divert. People don't appreciate what a danger Iran posed. If they had developed a nuclear weapon, they already had the missile technology to reach ever capital in Europe. It would have only been a matter of time before they could reach the east coast and beyond. That would have been an extremely dangerous situation. It wouldn't have been like the Cold War when mutual assured destruction acted as a deterrent to both sides. The Iranians are religious zealots to whom martyrdom is the highest calling. It's the same mindset that caused 19 hijackers to fly airliners into our buildings knowing they would die in the process. I have no doubt Iran would have embraced mutual assured destruction.

I don't understand people who say their development of a nuclear weapon wasn't imminent. I don't know if that is true or not but why the hell would we want to wait until it was imminent before taking drastic action. Had we known the Japanese were planning to strike us at Pearl Harbor, I don't think we would have waiedt until December 6 to take action.

So many people only care that the price of gas has spiked the last several months. If that's the price we had to pay to keep the Iranians from becoming a threat to our homeland, it's money well spent.
If this deal holds, and it's still an if, and the Strait of Hormuz is opened again bringing down prices, I hope the voters will be able to look at the situation objectively.

Yes, Donald Trump is prone to hyperbole but the things he says are usually directionally correct. He can talk like a crazy man because he knows that fires up the base, but he governs with a cool head as he has shown the past few months. A lot of people, including me, were wondering why we didn't just bomb Iran back to the Stone Age He used just enough firepower to get them to bargain in good faith if hey have actually done that. I liked Hegseth's expression, negotiate with bombs. Once Trump started to talk about taking over Kharg Island the Iranians realized he wasn't pussyfooting around.

There are crazies in both parties but on the left they are in charge.  In the Republican party, they are in the margins.  Trump says some crazy things but more often than not pursues policies grounded in common sense.  The media fixates on the words and ignores the positive results.  A conflict is being resolved today that they suggested would result in WWIII and genocide.  Are they apologizing?  Nope.  The news is all about the UFC match and the Kennedy Center.   Minoriites and younger people tend to vote for Dems for their own reasons but have been less influenced by the propaganda than the elderly, white academic types who have been completely brainwashed.

Your boy, Donald "Pert Nipples" Trump, was installed by "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin on 20 January 2017 to tear our country apart and destroy NATO, and he's doing a darned good job of it.