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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 01:13:22 AM »Well the problem for me was the very beginning when Fritz started to interrogate Oswald without a proper way to record his statements. His scribbling notes which he then embellishes later are questionable.
How does that invalidate all the evidence that Oswald was the assassin?
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So although I see that this guy Oswald certainly was acting kind of arrogant and smirking seemingly enjoying his publicity, and being a Marxist and a traitor to his USMC oath, thus I believe him fully capable of being the assassin, its the details of how evidence was acquired that are troublesome to me.
I just have reservations that this looney tune Oswald was not afforded his constitutional right to have attorney present before he was interrogated. Then the line up was obviously not fair. And then the chain of custody is muddy especially for CE. 399.
You seem willing to believe Oswald. Oswald lied when he claimed he was being denied legal representation. The president of the Dallas bar association had the same concerns as you and asked to speak to Oswald. He told Oswald that he was not a criminal attorney but that he could get a qualified criminal attorney to represent him. Oswald turned down the offer, apparently still hoping New York communist lawyer John Abt would agree to represent him. Although the assassination predated the landmark Miranda ruling, the DPD was already following the practice that would become law by allowing accused suspects to have legal representation during questioning.
Oswald's complaints about the line up being unfair were unfounded. He drew attention to himself by visibily complaining so the problems were self inflicted.
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So as much as I tend towards the simplest solution being probably the best one , in this case there is so much snafu going on that it introduces reasonable doubt for me at least.
The only snafu was allowing Ruby entrance to the parking garage. That was just an unfortunate series of circumstances. The DPD wanted to transport Oswald to the county lock-up in an armored car which was a sensible security measure. They discovered the armored car was too tall to enter the garage and decided to transport him in a regular station wagon. The cop who was guarding the ramp the armored car failed to clear stepped away from his post briefly to hold up traffic so the armored car could vacate the ramp. It was at the moment that Jack Ruby arrived and walked down the unguarded ramp.
As for reasonable doubt of Oswald's guilt, there is absolutely none. If you have doubts about Oswald's guilt, there is nothing reasonable about them.
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This is why my perspective is not hardcore CT but rather one which attempts to objectively verify for myself if the WC got it right. Some things are indisputable such as the MC rifle serial no. traced to a money order that leads to Oswald’s P.O. Box address. Other things however are not so definitive and in fact are of such level of snafu that it’s difficult to accept it was merely due to overlapping agency miscommunication.
The WC determined Oswald was the assassin and that there was no credible evidence he had any accomplices. That remains as true today as it was in 1964. Any doubts about Oswald's guilt or beliefs in conspiracy are based on conjured up evidence, not any real evidence.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Tim Nickerson on Today at 12:16:45 AM »You previously posted - "There is ample evidence that Oswald was in the sniper's nest at 12:30"
You've been asked to provide a single scrap of evidence that places Oswald in the SN at 12:30pm.
Are you going to do that or not?
Oswald's rifle being the assassination weapon, together with the fact that he had no alibi for the time of the shooting, places him in the SN at 12:30pm. That's not even considering his fingerprints and palmprints being found there.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Bell Film Gifs
« Last post by Steve Barber on Yesterday at 11:46:26 PM »Don't waste your time on this guy, Steve. He has been peddling the laughable "Hickey did it" crap on multiple forums and newsgroups for the past many years.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Bell Film Gifs
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 10:42:27 PM »I know it's from him but this source doesn't have text or whatever, it's full-frame, where could Robin Unger have gotten it?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 09:37:24 PM »
The Sprague enhancement is better for bringing out Lovelady's plaid pattern and Shelley's white shirt collar...(And Lovelady's bald spot)...None of these have been doctored and they will appear exactly the same on the original film...
I'm sure this issue would be more solved than it already has been if the original celluloid were gotten and scanned...
The Prayer Man people are cheaters because they hold back and don't participate in further examining the evidence...Instead they ban and censor in order to protect their dirty clique...The Education Forum is all a group of sycophants and friends so when they cheat and with-hold evidence they get encouraged and rewarded on the forum...Being internet hacks, they make it a personal school yard contest that they take a little too much pleasure in but that doesn't stop them from selling themselves as serious researchers...Somehow Larsen managed to enhance Lovelady's plaid bars better than Kamp did and their irregular pattern matched perfectly beyond a doubt ending the issue...When I managed to get a message past the censorship filters the clique sets up for people who disprove them and told Larsen he had just proven the time Frazier was staring in shock at Sarah Stanton instead of admitting this evidence he went back and deleted his photo analysis of the plaid bars...
The two men are obviously Shelley & Lovelady...
The Sprague enhancement is better for bringing out Lovelady's plaid pattern and Shelley's white shirt collar
How is it better?
How is the more washed out image, that has far less detail, better for bringing out fine detail?
How is that better than the far clearer image that has far more detail in it?
What you're saying makes zero sense.
There is hardly any fine detail in the Sprague image except inside the suspicious lighter square that contains the two men.
Why is it none of this fine detail present in the superior 4 Days image or any other version I can find?
No fine detail on the shirt.
No bald spot.
This is clear proof the Sprague image has been doctored.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:29:59 PM »Are you suggesting this film was altered? And if so why?
No alteration. What I am saying is that the Bell Film shows Wiegman stumbling as he runs (R) - (L) across the top of the Knoll Grass. He will stop and turn (L) and then run Down the knoll. We see him running down the Knoll on the Couch Film. Running DOWN to the bottom of the knoll then places Wiegman next to the Newman Family, where he films them. We are Not seeing Wiegman "sprawled" across the steps on the Bell Film.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 07:29:09 PM »
When the Bell film is ran in full motion, Wiegman only uses his hand to support going up the steps, he is not lying or sitting.
By the way, where did you guys get the full-frame bell film without text? didn't the GIF guy upload the underpass sequence but stabilized?
Wiegman is Not facing the steps on the Bell Film. He is facing the (W) as he runs/stumbles across the top of the Knoll grass. He has his camera in 1 hand and the other hand is front of him as he stumbles forward while running (R) - (L) across the Knoll grass. The hand in front of him is a reflex action as he stumbles off-balance forward.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Bell Film Gifs
« Last post by Matt Brooks on Yesterday at 07:15:17 PM »Here is a giff i found on this forum -- i forget where, & who.Okay, where did you guys get this specific full-frame version?
It shows Hoffman's Falcon in a Bell early sequence.
I could make a giff of Hoffman's Falcon stopping in Bell's much later sequence, but there are only about 4 frames, mostly blurry, not worth it.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on Yesterday at 06:57:42 PM »Are you suggesting this film was altered? And if so why?
Let's see what a re-enactment of the Bell film reveals.
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