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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Royell Storing on Today at 10:14:51 PM »

  You guys debating the present vs the future is akin to going with, "Blue Note in the 3rd". You ain't Carnac. Boil it down to necessities. Start with: (1) OWNING shelter, and, (2) OWNING the land it sits on. Enough land to cultivate sustenance if required. Depending on a 401k, 501k, stock market etc, is like looking forward to collecting $200 when "passing Go". Stop playing their game. A game that only helps an elite few become your master now, and your master tomorrow. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 09:54:57 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Today at 08:56:58 PM
Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

Define "almost touched the ground"

His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag

Speculation

That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

Self serving conclusion. Do you actually believe that Oswald's legs were longer that 38 inches, when his arms were only about 24 inch long?

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

On the photos of Frazier posted here, the 36" package reached to his ear. Frazier was taller than Oswald. The same package would he stuck out higher than Oswald's head. Pretty difficult to miss!

Besides, Frazier clearly stated that the top of the package was under Oswald's armpit.

Was Frazier lying about that or are we just dealing with a pathetic attempt to try to fit the evidence to the preconceived conclusion?

Just hours after the shooting DPD officers were already talking about the paper bag as the "rifle bag", when there was actually no way they could have made that determination.
Why was Lt Day desperately looking for an explanation after Frazier, on Friday evening, had denied that the 6th floor bag was the one he had seen Oswald carry. And why was Fritz so angry about it that he nearly hit Frazier?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 08:56:58 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 07:17:08 PM
Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

Define "almost touched the ground"

His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag

Speculation

That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

Self serving conclusion

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

On the photos of Frazier posted here, the 36" package reached to his ear. Frazier was taller than Oswald. The same package would he stuck out higher than Oswald's head. Pretty difficult to miss!

Besides, Frazier clearly stated that the top of the package was under Oswald's armpit.

Was Frazier lying about that or are we just dealing with a pathetic attempt to try to fit the evidence to the preconceived conclusion?

Just hours after the shooting DPD officers were already talking about the paper bag as the "rifle bag", when there was actually no way they could have made that determination.
Why was Lt Day desperately looking for an explanation after Frazier, on Friday evening, had denied that the 6th floor bag was the one he had seen Oswald carry. And why was Fritz so angry about it that he nearly hit Frazier?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 07:25:00 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 07:17:08 PM
Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

I just measured my hand to the floor while standing upright. 2' 3"
try it yourself

Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 07:17:08 PM
As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

The largest piece of the rifle is the stock @ 34.8 inches....
it cannot be made any shorter

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 07:17:08 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Today at 04:14:12 PM
Estimates are likely never precise, but do you agree that estimating the size is not the same as observing how the package was carried by Oswald?

Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 07:08:30 PM »
Quote from: Mark Ulrik on Today at 06:18:56 PM
Disgusting. Only an abject cretin would think the world is a better place now than it was a couple of months ago. The verdict of history will be harsh.

Now is not what matters. The world will be a much better place in 10 years than it would have been had we allowed Iran to have nuclear weapons and ICBMs. Trump is playing the long game. He's not running for reelection so he doesn't need to be concerned about the polls. He can do what he thinks is right without having to be concerned with whether or not it will cost him politically. That's what you want in a leader. Someone who is willing to do the right thing even when the right thing is unpopular.

The American people can be very short-sighted. They don't bother looking ahead. All they know is it costs them a few bucks to fill up their car than it did before this war started. They see their 401Ks dropping in value without seeing that it doesn't matter because they won't be tapping into that money for many more years. By then the stock market will have gone through many cycles of ups and downs. it will continue to see higher highs and higher lows. The only time the price of an investment matters is the day you buy it and the day you sell it. Everything else is just a rollercoaster ride. I am perfectly willing to go through short term volatility both at the gas pump and my portfolio because I know in the long run, defanging Iran will have a tremendous long term benefit for the US and the rest of the world.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Mark Ulrik on Today at 06:18:56 PM »
Disgusting. Only an abject cretin would think the world is a better place now than it was a couple of months ago. The verdict of history will be harsh.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum Moderated by Anti-Semitic Crackpot---John Simkin is Aware
« Last post by Paul J Cummings on Today at 06:05:36 PM »
I see you're still butt hurt on getting banned? Hey Ben, share with everyone how many times you were warned or penalized over the years by all moderators? Can't let it go because rules don't apply to you. Thanks for your upcoming collegial response.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Jack Nessan on Today at 05:26:08 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 04:35:06 PM
I won't play a nutters baiting game
you have a point? make it

Being baited? Into what? That you know what you have been posting is just wrong?

The point was made. I understand why you are avoiding it.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A question for Martin Weidmann
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Today at 04:41:31 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 04:31:15 PM
Regardless of what percentage of the evidence conspiracy hobbyists think was fabricated, my question is why does the fabricated evidence point to same guy as the genuine evidence?

Does it? Or is it just the narrative that relies on evidence that doesn't actually support their claims?

For many pieces of evidence there are more than one explanation, so if you just pick one and build your claim on that, does that make your claim credible?
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