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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Iacoletti on January 12, 2018, 05:49:07 PM
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This should save a lot of time for forum members in the future. Just refer to the following list, and when Walt brings one of these up, you can just say, "oh that's Walt Fabrication #25", or whatever. New fabrications can be added to the list as he creates them.
WF1: The Dillard photo was taken during the assassination.
WF2: Oswald told Fritz that he saw Norman and Jarman walk past the lunchroom a few minutes before the shooting.
WF3: Oswald said he saw 3 rifles in Truly's office on November 20.
WF4: Howard Brennan saw a gunman in the 6th floor southwest window.
WF5: The telex that William Walter showed the HSCA was a photocopy of an original telex that warned of the assassination, rather than a reconstruction Walter did from memory.
WF6: LBJ was filmed on the night of November 22 on the airport tarmac saying something like "AH cum tew yew with a havy heart.....Yer president is daid".
WF7: Chief Curry was filmed telling reporters that when Baker stopped Oswald he was "calmly drinking a Coke".
WF8: There exists a photo of LD Montgomery holding the large paper bag with an umbrella handle sticking out.
WF9: Tom Alyea filmed the rifle after the clip had slid out. [Note: Walt has since retracted this one]
WF10: You can't operate a Mannlicher Carcano as a single shot rifle
WF11: Most of the DPD photos taken on the sixth floor were fake reconstructions taken at night.
WF12: Richard Case Nagell had an ID card with the Name Alek Hidell on it.
WF13: Russians have a difficult time pronouncing the name Lee.
WF14: The Irving police shook the Walker note out of the Russian cook book.
WF15: The coroner ruled that Henry Marshall committed suicide.
WF16: Oswald told Bill Shelley that he was going to take the afternoon off because there wouldn't be anymore work done that day.
WF17: Anna Meller testified that George De Mohrenschildt told her that Lee had taken a potshot at Walker...No wait, it was actually Natasha Voshinin...Oh wait she didn't testify that, she actually told that to Dick Russell in 1992.
WF18&19: Brennan told the cops that the man that he had seen with a HUNTING RIFLE (possibly a 30-30 Winchester) in the TSBD was NOT present in the line up.
WF20: Junior Jarman testified that he and Harold Norman walked by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 /12:27 on their way to the fifth floor.
WF21: Benavides said the Killer DID NOT look like Lee Oswald.
WF22: In late April 1963, LBJ requested an substantial increase in his Secret Service protection. He was requesting more protection than was allotted for JFK.
WF23: The Powell photo shows a rifle barrel protruding from the window.
WF24: J.E. Hoover revealed that he had information on Waggoner Carr that could put Carr behind bars.....
WF25: Red signal rings were placed on the fifth and sixth floor windows of the TSBD to signal LBJ that everything was in place and the coup would take place at his thumbs up signal.
WF26: Hoover knew about the rifle being sent to PO Box 2915 in March of 1963. Oswald's PO Box was under surveillance and the Feds knew that a rifle had been sent to that PO Box.
WF27: There's no doubt in my mind that the "Sheriff" told Williams to keep his mouth shut about seeing a "Secret Service Man" there on the sixth floor.....And that's exactly what williams did.....And he's still alive today because he kept his mouth shut.......
WF28: The cops who were there said they pulled the gun from Lee's waistband.
WF29: The ticket booth is not in the sunlight.....it is in the shade, therefore it appears blue.
WF30: Lee Oswald knew hunting season was closed and there was no reason for the guns in the TSBD.
WF31: The butt of the pistol on "Oswald's" hip falls at exactly the same place on the fence in the background in CE 133A and 133c.....
WF32: Oswald was provided with an electric razor that emitted a very unique and identifiable radio signal, which was used to activate a camera on Francis Gary Powers' U-2 spyplane.
WF33: Kellerman and Greer are pulling their heads down (ducking) before JFK is hit in the head.
WF34: both Greer and Kellerman are ducking as "something" light colored is knocked off the front of the car goes sailing over their heads.
WF35: Are you aware that there were NO IDENTIFIABLE PRINTS found on the rifle?
WF36: Whaley testified that his passenger was wearing THREE jackets.
WF37: Truly and Baker went up to the second floor on the front staircase and then crossed the second floor to where they encountered Oswald.
WF38: Helen Markham received a threatening call from Henry Wade at "City Hall" and he warned her that he'd put her in the slammer if she continued talking to reporters.
WF39: An attempt to rechamber a spent shell causes a CRUMPLING type dent on the LIP ONLY.
WF40: The TSBD staircase was soundproof.
WF41: The police suspected that the goofy Walker was pulling a publicity stunt, to enhance his image in his run for Governor......They merely went through the motions of investigating and filed the reports.....
WF42: I'm 99% sure that JFK learned of Lee's accomplishments behind the Iron Curtain and ordered that the young spy be brought home because he wanted to use his talents in Cuba.
WF43: Givens said that he saw Lee on the sixth floor at about 12:10
WF44: William Whaley said that Lee climbed into his taxicab at the Greyhound bus station at 12:30
WF45: The shooter didn't know the man in front of JFK was John Connally.......Connally was not supposed to be there....another LBJ foe was supposed to be sitting in that jump seat.....Senator Ralph Yarborough was scheduled to ride in that seat.
WF46: Organ gives the distance as 190 feet ..... That's the approximate distance to the window at the time JFK's brains were blown out.
WF47: On a visit to Mexico, Earl Warren had did something that he didn't want the public to know about. Apparently Hoover knew about this and so did LBJ.......When Earl Warren tried to refuse to be the presiding judge for LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee"..... LBj said something like..."We wouldn't want the folks to find out about Mexico, now would we Judge?" After that Warren was putty in LBJ's hands.......
WF48: Miss Burns said she entered the office immediately after she heard the shots...and she said that [Wilson] was standing.
WF49: [Wilson] said that he was SITTING at his deck until that moment and then got up to see JFK pass by.
WF50: The photos CE 133A and CE 133B are shown uncropped on page 90 of Groden's The Search for LHO. The shadows being cast by the stairs are identical in both photos.
WF51: J. Edgar Hoover acknowledged that the Z film had been altered.
WF52: Michael Paine gave a backyard photo to Fritz.
WF53: Oswald's selective service card was signed "Gut Schieffer", which is German for Good Marine.
WF54: The "sniper's nest" had several cigarette butts on the floor.
WF55: The Walker incident was nothing but a hoax that De Morhenschildt and Oswald thought would get Lee welcomed into Cuba.
WF56: If either JFK or Connally had been wearing the light colored Stetson, they probably wouldn't have been shot...... The white Stetson was the badge of the "good guys"..... When JFK shunned the hat and refused to put it on, he sealed his fate.
WF57: Connally didn't know what the hell LBJ was talkin about when he told him to be sure to wear his white Stetson in the Lincoln
WF58: A man on the south side of Elm street was shot in the leg during the assassination
WF59: The photo on page 68 of TKOAP shows "Lee standing around out front" beside Billy Lovelady
WF60: LBJ nearly soiled his skivvies when he heard that John McCormack was moving to take the oath of office...
WF61: Yes, JFK was aware that a sniper on a roof top could try to shoot him..... The Secret Service had discovered the plot and warned JFK as did Bobby before JFK left Washington.
WF62: Just a few hours after the murder of President Kennedy the FBI eavesdropped on and recorded a telephone conversation at the Paine residence and Mike Paine was recorded as saying "He didn't do this, but we know who did"
WF63: Lee told Marina that he had hid the rifle where the police dogs would find it.
WF64: But it has been widely reported that Ruby corrected Henry Wade by saying "No Henry, that's the Fair Play for Cuba Committee"
WF65: "Lee told Fritz that his lunch included an apple and an orange"
WF66: Life magazine said the backyard photo was retouched before they got it
WF67: It was 50 feet between the alley and General Walker's house
WF68: Howard Brennan saw the bullet hit the cement ledge below the window
WF69: There is a bullet track in a photo that shows a bullet struck the TSBD window ledge above BRW's head.....And there was a pock mark from that bullet on the ledge until 1993
WF70: Brennan said he saw something fall from the TSBD
WF71: I'm not sure if this is the same manuscript that Alyea published many years ago. I have that manuscript....... I believe Alyea himself published / produced the manuscript.
WF72: Boone thought that Lt Day was Captain Fritz
WF73: Day saw a smudge that he IMAGINED to be a palm print on that WOODEN foregrip and he lifted it by using scotch tape as Tom Alyea watched him lift it. That lift is what you see in CE 639.
WF74: And there was a large sign on the east wall inside the double doors that said STAIRS on an ARROW pointing to the stairs to the second floor
WF75: and a locked gate kept him from entering the office area there on the second floor
WF76: several of the occupants of the car said that there were many bullets that struck the car in just a couple of seconds.
WF77: LBJ gave JFK a Stetson hat on the morning of November 22, 1963
WF78: Wilson said that he remained standing behind that window for over a quarter of an hour after the shooting
WF79: Walker call the editor in Germany on Saturday morning 11/23/63 and tells him that Oswald was the culprit who tried to kill him on April 10
WF80: Please check the photos of "Oswald" being escorted by a DPD detective, The photos seem to show Lee Oswald being escorted by a DPD Detective who has a hold on "Oswald's" right arm.... and Lee is wearing the arrest shirt. The problem is....The photos were fake....Lee was already in his grave and refused to get up to be escorted through the halls of the police station. So they used an impostor who resembled Lee Oswald and cropped the photos ........
WF81: Jack Ruby and Ralph Paul were co-owners of a drive in burger joint where JD Tippit was employed as a security guard
WF82: They kept Jack Ruby in the City Jail until he died
WF83: A persons ears never change
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,96.msg982.html#msg982 (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,96.msg982.html#msg982)
WF84: Roy Truly had seen Lee Oswald sitting at a table in the second floor lunchroom just seconds after the shots were fired
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,159.msg6116.html#msg6116 (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,159.msg6116.html#msg6116)
WF85: Howard Brennan is the ONLY person who stepped forward immediately after the shooting at 12:30, and reported seeing a man aiming a rifle from a TSBD window
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1592.msg43759.html#msg43759 (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1592.msg43759.html#msg43759)
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10: You can't operate a Mannlicher Carcano as a single shot rifle
Not sure what that means but the FBI test shooter testified at the HSCA hearings that with CE-139 you could not retract the bolt without moving your face away from the scope or the bolt would smack you in the eye. Not exactly a snipers smoothest move.
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10: You can't operate a Mannlicher Carcano as a single shot rifle
Not sure what that means but the FBI test shooter testified at the HSCA hearings that with CE-2766 you could not retract the bolt without moving your face away from the scope or the bolt would smack you in the eye. Not exactly a snipers smoothest move.
When he testified before the WC, FBI "expert" Robert Frazier was comparing the carcano to a Springfield 30.06 and said that the Carcano can be loaded with a single cartridge and fired as a single shot rifle.... Just like a 30.06.
Well I'm here to tell you that so called "EXPERT" was FOS!..... The Carcano CANNOT be fired as a single shot rifle simply by dropping a live cartridge into the breech and closing the bolt in preparation for firing a single shot. You would have no problem dropping the cartridge into the breech, but you would not be able to close and LATCH the bolt.... The design of the rifle prevents the bolt closure....
The Carcano CAN be used as a single shot rifle but it must be loaded in a different manner than the Springfield .......
Robert Frazier the "EXPERT" also said that the Carcano can be loaded with SEVEN cartridges..... The Carcano is a six shot rifle, and it CANNOT be loaded with seven cartridges.
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Without a clip, the rifle can only be used as a single-shot arm. This was a severe handicap if clips were lost or unavailable.
http://www.nramuseum.org/guns/the-galleries/wwii,-korea,-vietnam-and-beyond-1940-to-present/case-37-wwii-the-axis,-germany-italy/gardone-model-1891-mannlicher-carcano-bolt-action-rifle.aspx
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6 in the clip and one in the chamber = SEVEN cartridges.
6 in the clip and one in the chamber = SEVEN cartridges.
OK...That's simple arithmetic .... Now, using a Mannlicher Carcano, please demonstrate how that can be accomplished....
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http://www.nramuseum.org/guns/the-galleries/wwii,-korea,-vietnam-and-beyond-1940-to-present/case-37-wwii-the-axis,-germany-italy/gardone-model-1891-mannlicher-carcano-bolt-action-rifle.aspx
Jerry, I believe that you'll learn that I'm telling the truth and presenting FACTUAL information if you visit a couple of websites that give details about how a Mannlicher Carcano operates...
The Carcano CANNOT be loaded to use as a single shot rifle "Just like a Springfield 30.06", as the FBI "EXPERT" Robert Frazier testified.....
Simply saying that it can be used as a single shot rifle is NOT the same as saying it can be loaded and used as a single shot rifle by dropping a cartridge into the breech and closing the bolt, just like a 30.06.
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6 in the clip and one in the chamber = SEVEN cartridges.
OK...That's simple arithmetic .... Now, using a Mannlicher Carcano, please demonstrate how that can be accomplished....
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I'm not surprised that you would present a phony video in an attempt to prove that Hoover's EXTRA SPECIAL agent was correct in saying that the carcano could be loaded with seven live cartridges and fire seven shots without reloading....
So, Mr easily duped....Please count the number of LIVE cartridges that are visible in the clip at the 1:10 point in the video, just before the magician loads the clip into the rifle ..... Can you count to FIVE Mr Snickerson.....
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I'm not surprised that you would present a phony video in an attempt to prove that Hoover's EXTRA SPECIAI agent was correct in saying that the carcano could be loaded with seven live cartridges and fire seven shots without reloading....
So Mr easily duped....Please count the number of LIVE cartridges that are visible in the clip at the 1:10 point in the video, just before the magician loads the clip into the rifle ..... Can you count to FIVE Mr Snickerson.....
Beginning at 6:55.
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Beginning at 6:55.
The question is:..... DOES the slick talkin charlatan actually load seven live cartridges into a mannlicher carcano?? A simple yes or no please...
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At 75 yards, 7 shots, all hits, in 6.8 seconds:
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At 75 yards, 7 shots, all hits, in 6.8 seconds:
Mr Easily Duped.... Is the rifle shown in the video a stock Carcano?? Question:.... How did this man do what no other person could do.??...
I'll wager whatever sum you can afford to lose that the carcano in the video is NOT a stock unmodified carcano....
Do I need to remind you that the Warren Commission employed several experienced expert rifleman and stated that it took 2.5 seconds just to operate the bolt ( eject a spent round and chamber a fresh cartridge) And this time did not the time needed to align the sights on the target, and squeeze the trigger. So according to the WC it would take 15 seconds to operate the bolt and cycle six cartridges through the rifle WITHOUT firing the rifle.
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At 75 yards, 7 shots, all hits, in 6.8 seconds:
The man says the rifle has not been modified.....The video first shows a carcano with a scope mounted but when the rifle is being fired it has no scope...So the qustion is:...Is it the same rifle that he said was not modified? Or did he remove the scope because it hindered the rapid firing of the rifle?... And The rifle itself may not have been modified, but the BOLT most certainly has been modified. And it is the BOLT that prevents the rifle from being fired accurately rapidly....And that's because an unmodified bolt cocks the firing pin spring on the upstroke or opening stroke ...And that pulls the sights off target.... The rifle being fired in the video, cocks the firing pin on the closing stroke....It definitely is NOT a stock carcano....
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The question is:..... DOES the slick talkin charlatan actually load seven live cartridges into a mannlicher carcano?? A simple yes or no please...
Mr Easily Duped.... You did not answer the question.....
DOES the slick talkin charlatan actually load seven live cartridges into a mannlicher carcano?? A simple yes or no please...
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Mr Easily Duped.... Is the rifle shown in the video a stock Carcano?? Question:.... How did this man do what no other person could do.??...
I'll wager whatever sum you can afford to lose that the carcano in the video is NOT a stock unmodified carcano....
Do I need to remind you that the Warren Commission employed several experienced expert rifleman and stated that it took 2.5 seconds just to operate the bolt ( eject a spent round and chamber a fresh cartridge) And this time did not the time needed to align the sights on the target, and squeeze the trigger. So according to the WC it would take 15 seconds to operate the bolt and cycle six cartridges through the rifle WITHOUT firing the rifle.
What were the names of those riflemen and where can their statements be viewed?
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The man says the rifle has not been modified.....The video first shows a carcano with a scope mounted but when the rifle is being fired it has no scope...So the qustion is:...Is it the same rifle that he said was not modified? Or did he remove the scope because it hindered the rapid firing of the rifle?... And The rifle itself may not have been modified, but the BOLT most certainly has been modified. And it is the BOLT that prevents the rifle from being fired accurately rapidly....And that's because an unmodified bolt cocks the firing pin spring on the upstroke or opening stroke ...And that pulls the sights off target.... The rifle being fired in the video, cocks the firing pin on the closing stroke....It definitely is NOT a stock carcano....
Why should we believe you over someone who is clearly an expert with the Carcano? You're saying that a Carcano without a scope on it is not a stock Carcano?
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Why should we believe you over someone who is clearly an expert with the Carcano? You're saying that a Carcano without a scope on it is not a stock Carcano?
You're saying that a Carcano without a scope on it is not a stock Carcano?
Wow!...Thank you for demonstrating that you lack the ability to reason rationally.....
I said nothing of the kind....I merely pointed out that when the charlatan was talking about THIS rifle has not been modified the rifle had a scope on it...but when the man was firing a carcano it had no scope... which raises the question...Were they the same rifle?
And I know that the rifle he fired definitely was modified....If you knew what to look for, you too would know that the rifle being fired in the video is a modified rifle...
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The man says the rifle has not been modified.....The video first shows a carcano with a scope mounted but when the rifle is being fired it has no scope...So the qustion is:...Is it the same rifle that he said was not modified? Or did he remove the scope because it hindered the rapid firing of the rifle?
His 7 shots in 6.8 seconds were made with the scope on the rifle.
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I said nothing of the kind....I merely pointed out that when the charlatan was talking about THIS rifle has not been modified the rifle had a scope on it...but when the man was firing a carcano it had no scope... which raises the question...Were they the same rifle?
You need to have your eyes checked. His 7 shots in 6.8 seconds were made with the scope on the rifle.
And I know that the rifle he fired definitely was modified....If you knew what to look for, you too would know that the rifle being fired in the video is a modified rifle...
In the absence of you specifying exactly where to look and what to look for, I'll just assume that you are as full of caca as usual.
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The Carcano CANNOT be loaded to use as a single shot rifle "Just like a Springfield 30.06", as the FBI "EXPERT" Robert Frazier testified..... Simply saying that it can be used as a single shot rifle is NOT the same as saying it can be loaded and used as a single shot rifle by dropping a cartridge into the breech and closing the bolt, just like a 30.06.
So...if you don't have a clip for it, the Carcano is useless and you are f..d in battle? OK I'll go and watch Snicker's videos.
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His 7 shots in 6.8 seconds were made with the scope on the rifle.
Tim, you seem not to properly weigh the consideration of the sniper's situational awareness, even more so if you buy into the verifying sign
of awareness....that a sixth floor shooter declined the easier approach shot, before the motorcade turn. A single sniper is attempting to shoot to
death the most powerful man in the world. Not taking the shot on approach indicates awareness the target is protected by multiple
trained shooters firing from impossible to fully anticipate locations, some expected to be armed with fully automatic weapons with already
chambered rounds, sweeping the approach, high and low, literally with dozens of pairs of eyes.
I think your presentation is much more wishful than persuasive.
I know one personally, before and after the training described below, with hits in combat deployment. He worked with this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2010_Enhanced_Sniper_Rifle
http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/fieldmanuals/FM3-05222.pdf
Special Forces Sniper Trainiing and Employment
...1-20. Past experience has shown that deploying as a sniper/observer team
significantly increases the success rate of the missions. With few exceptions,
snipers who are deployed singly have shown a marked decrease in their
effectiveness and performance almost immediately after the start of the
mission. This decrease is due to the sniper becoming overwhelmed with
concern for his security, the tasks to be accomplished, and his own emotions
(fear, loneliness). ..
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Tim, you seem not to properly weigh the consideration of the sniper's situational awareness, even more so if you buy into the verifying sign
of awareness....that a sixth floor shooter declined the easier approach shot, before the motorcade turn. A single sniper is attempting to shoot to
death the most powerful man in the world. Not taking the shot on approach indicates awareness the target is protected by multiple
trained shooters firing from impossible to fully anticipate locations, some expected to be armed with fully automatic weapons with already
chambered rounds, sweeping the approach, high and low, literally with dozens of pairs of eyes.
I think your presentation is much more wishful than persuasive.
I know one personally, before and after the training described below, with hits in combat deployment. He worked with this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2010_Enhanced_Sniper_Rifle
Tom, How have you determined that I haven't properly weighed the consideration of the sniper's situational awareness? I have never argued that Oswald should have tried shooting the President while the limo was approaching on Houston.
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So...if you don't have a clip for it, the Carcano is useless and you are f..d in battle? OK I'll go and watch Snicker's videos.
So...if you don't have a clip for it, the Carcano is useless and you are f..d in battle?
Well no....you wouldn't be completely without a weapon...... If you didn't have a clip for your carcano you could fire it as as single shot with about the speed of an old black powder muzzle loader. To fire the carcano as a single shot you would need to attach the live cartridge to the face of the bolt ( ie insert the rim of the cartridge behind the annular space on the face of the bolt and also behind the cartridge extractor ) Then when you have the LIVE cartridge seated on the face of the bolt you could insert the assemble ( bolt & cartridge) into the breech of the carcano and close and latch the bolt....And all the while you were doing the above you'd be praying a dozen "Hail Mary's", that the cocked firing pin didn't become unlatched and fire the live cartridge before you could get the bolt closed.....
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The testers said they would be able to operate the weapon faster had they had more practice in operating the bolt (according to Fritz). Practice makes perfect; Marina saw Oswald sitting outside under his raincoat (or some such) working the bolt on at least one occasion, apparently. And HSCA testers achieved two shots in 1.67 seconds (the second shot always missed; only the first shot could be precisely aimed)
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The testers said they would be able to operate the weapon faster had they had more practice in operating the bolt (according to Fritz). Practice makes perfect; Marina saw Oswald sitting outside under his raincoat (or some such) working the bolt on at least one occasion, apparently. And HSCA testers achieved two shots in 1.67 seconds (the second shot always missed; only the first shot could be precisely aimed)
Marina saw Oswald sitting outside under his raincoat (or some such) working the bolt on at least one occasion,
Only an ignoramus who has no experience with rifles would accept such a stupid idea.....Merely working the bolt of a rifle does not qualify as "practice firing" a rifle....
If simply operating the bolt was all that was required to train a recruit, the military sure as hell wouldn't spend millions of dollars on weapons and ammo and classrooms, and firing ranges....
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Marina saw Oswald sitting outside under his raincoat (or some such) working the bolt on at least one occasion,
Only an ignoramus who has no experience with rifles would accept such a stupid idea.....Merely working the bolt of a rifle does not qualify as "practice firing" a rifle....
If simply operating the bolt was all that was required to train a recruit, the military sure as hell wouldn't spend millions of dollars on weapons and ammo and classrooms, and firing ranges....
@Newbies: Wallyburger has conveniently edited out my point; which is that the testers indicated they would have had quicker firing times if they had more practice working the bolt action
@Wallyburger: A quick chambering of the ammo is aided or hindered by how good or bad the user handles the bolt action. You lot always claim the Carcano was clunky to operate. So thanks for agreeing that the testers were at a disadvantage by dint of not having sufficient practice time working that 'clunky' bolt and firing that 'clunky' rifle.
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@Newbies: Wallyburger has conveniently edited out my point; which is that the testers indicated they would have had quicker firing times if they had more practice working the bolt action
@Wallyburger: A quick chambering of the ammo is aided or hindered by how good or bad the user handles the bolt action. You lot always claim the Carcano was clunky to operate. So thanks for agreeing that the testers were at a disadvantage by dint of not having sufficient practice time working that 'clunky' bolt and firing that 'clunky' rifle.
You lot always claim the Carcano was clunky to operate. So thanks for agreeing that the testers were at a disadvantage by dint of not having sufficient practice time working that 'clunky' bolt and firing that 'clunky' rifle.
Very Good.... Now you're exhibiting a tiny bit of intelligence, Chappie.... ( on par with a 7 year old)
You're right the tester said the rifle bolt was difficult to operate and inhibited the rifle from being fired rapidly and accurately.... In your words It was "clunky" and not at all suitable to use as a quickly fired sniper rifle.
I'm drawing on personal experience with a Mannlicher Carcano ( I have several) ....The stiff firing pin spring in the bolt of the carcano bolt is compressed as the bolt is being turned and unlatched after firing a live cartridge..... At the same time the firing pin spring is being compressed the hot, and expanded spent cartridge is being twisted in the firing chamber. Then the expanded spent shell is drawn to the rear and ejected . The compression of the FP spring and the friction of the spent shell causes the rifle to be twisted counterclockwise in the shooters left hand ....and the barrel of the rifle is pulled off target.
A poorly serviced and maintained rifle ( one that is dirty and not well lubricated) compounds the problem by a factor of ten.....
The testers were using a well serviced and lubricated rifle and still they could not duplicate the feat that a few ignorant suckers profess to believe Lee Oswald accomplished.... Rave on Chappie....
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This video clip has a proficient shooter using a bench rest and it takes 10 seconds to aim and fire 3 rounds.
The questions that El Chapo and his cohorts can't answer are where did Oswald develop the proficiency to shoot this particular weapon as alleged. [And please don't bend over and reveal a naked backside by saying the Marine Corps] Another question not answered all these years is what happened to the ammunition for that rifle. None was ever found anywhere that Oswald was.
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This should save a lot of time for forum members in the future.
WF1: The Dillard photo was taken during the assassination.
Right after the shots anyway...
Mr. BALL - Which building?
Mr. DILLARD - The School Book Depository. And at the same time I brought my camera up and I was looking for the window. Now this was after the third shot and Jackson said, "there's the rifle barrel up there." And then he said it was the second from the top in the right hand side, and I swung t it and there was two figures below, and I just shot with one camera, 100-mm. Lens on a 35-mm. Camera which is approximately a two times daily photo twice normal lens and a wide angle on a 35-mm. Which took in a considerable portion of the building and I shot those pictures in rapid sequence with the two cameras.
Mr. BALL - You shot how many pictures?
Mr. DILLARD - Two pictures.
Mr. BALL - With one camera or two different cameras?
Mr. DILLARD - Two diffefnt cameras - one daily photo, not extreme daily photo, but twice the normal lens.
Mr. BALL - You say your cameras were ready? How were the ready?
Mr. DILLARD - Hung around my neck and held in my hand..........
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anyone in your car say anything?
Mr. DILLARD - Well, after the third shot I know my comment was, "They killed him." I don't know why I said that but Jackson - there was some running comment about what can we do or where is it coming from and we were all looking. We had an absolutely perfect view of the School Depository from our position in an open car, and Bob Jackson said, "There's a rifle barrel up there." I said, "Where?" I had my camera ready. He said, "It's in that open window." Of course, there were several open windows and I scanned the building.
Mr. BALL - Which building?
Mr. DILLARD - The School Book Depository. And at the same time I brought my camera up and I was looking for the window. Now this was after the third shot and Jackson said, "there's the rifle barrel up there." And then he said it was the second from the top in the right hand side, and I swung t it and there was two figures below, and I just shot with one camera, 100-mm. Lens on a 35-mm. Camera which is approximately a two times daily photo twice normal lens and a wide angle on a 35-mm. Which took in a considerable portion of the building and I shot those pictures in rapid sequence with the two cameras.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/dillard.htm
Mr Dillard was well prepared for his testimony.
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You lot always claim the Carcano was clunky to operate. So thanks for agreeing that the testers were at a disadvantage by dint of not having sufficient practice time working that 'clunky' bolt and firing that 'clunky' rifle.
Very Good.... Now you're exhibiting a tiny bit of intelligence, Chappie.... ( on par with a 7 year old)
You're right the tester said the rifle bolt was difficult to operate and inhibited the rifle from being fired rapidly and accurately.... In your words It was "clunky" and not at all suitable to use as a quickly fired sniper rifle.
I'm drawing on personal experience with a Mannlicher Carcano ( I have several) ....The stiff firing pin spring in the bolt of the carcano bolt is compressed as the bolt is being turned and unlatched after firing a live cartridge..... At the same time the firing pin spring is being compressed the hot, and expanded spent cartridge is being twisted in the firing chamber. Then the expanded spent shell is drawn to the rear and ejected . The compression of the FP spring and the friction of the spent shell causes the rifle to be twisted counterclockwise in the shooters left hand ....and the barrel of the rifle is pulled off target.
A poorly serviced and maintained rifle ( one that is dirty and not well lubricated) compounds the problem by a factor of ten.....
The testers were using a well serviced and lubricated rifle and still they could not duplicate the feat that a few ignorant suckers profess to believe Lee Oswald accomplished.... Rave on Chappie....
You're right the tester said the rifle bolt was difficult to operate and inhibited the rifle from being fired rapidly and accurately.... In your words It was "clunky" and not at all suitable to use as a quickly fired sniper rifle.
>>> No, I said that's what you lot claim. Seems to me the prime suspect shattered that myth.
@Newbies: Note that Wallyburger has once again ignored the testers' conclusions (according to Fritz) that they could have fired the weapon more quickly if they were more practiced at working the bolt action.
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Right after the shots anyway...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/dillard.htm
Mr Dillard was well prepared for his testimony.
Sure was, by dint of him being there... while you lot sit on your arses claiming that all evidence is either faked, planted or somehow altered.
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Right after the shots anyway...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/dillard.htm
Mr Dillard was well prepared for his testimony.
Right after the shots anyway...
By "shots" I'm sure that you mean shots from the window, or the shots that killed JFK....Which are generally accepted as three shots.... There were more than three shots fired and at least one shot was fired to draw the attention of the Three stooges who it was thought would immediately start cackling like a flock of frighten chickens and draw the cops to the planted evidence.... The three stooges didn't react as had been calculated....They didn't start running for their lives, and report that someone was on the floor above them...Instead they went to the west end and opened the windows so they could see what the hell was going on in the area where they had heard THE SHOTS fired......
"Right after the shots anyway..."
No! ....DURING..... The shooting.... the SHOOTING....
There is a track of a bullet in Dillard's photo .... This bullet track was NOT created by a bullet that had been fired from that SE corner window.....
A bullet struck the TSBD on the cement ledge below the sixth floor window and debris from that bullet strike fell onto Bonnie Ray Williams head ( LOOK at Dillard's photo....Notice BRW's head)
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PS.....If you've read "Walt's Fab's" WF #1 -- Then you know that the basic crux of the my "fabrication" is to point out that the track of that bullet puts a time stamp on the photo... Dillard snapped the shutter DURING the SHOOTING and he filmed the vapor trail of the hot bullet through the cool humid air......And the photo clearly shows that there was NOBODY firing a rifle from that window....
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This video clip has a proficient shooter using a bench rest and it takes 10 seconds to aim and fire 3 rounds.
The questions that El Chapo and his cohorts can't answer are where did Oswald develop the proficiency to shoot this particular weapon as alleged. [And please don't bend over and reveal a naked backside by saying the Marine Corps] Another question not answered all these years is what happened to the ammunition for that rifle. None was ever found anywhere that Oswald was.
Don't worry, I'd never bend over with you in the vicinity...
Anyway a marine trained shooter would be able to adapt to different rifles much more readily than the average Joe
Seems to me [name your shooter] was a good enough shot or at least lucky enough to succeed in his attempt
Pretty sure the fellow in the video said he was testing the Carcano for its reputation (deserved or not) as being 'clunky' to operate. Given that, I can't see where the fellow would need to hurry.
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Right after the shots anyway...
By "shots" I'm sure that you mean shots from the window, or the shots that killed JFK....Which are generally accepted as three shots.... There were more than three shots fired and at least one shot was fired to draw the attention of the Three stooges who it was thought would immediately start cackling like a flock of frighten chickens and draw the cops to the planted evidence.... The three stooges didn't react as had been calculated....They didn't start running for their lives, and report that someone was on the floor above them...Instead they went to the west end and opened the windows so they could see what the hell was going on in the area where they had heard THE SHOTS fired......
"Right after the shots anyway..."
No! ....DURING..... The shooting.... the SHOOTING....
There is a track of a bullet in Dillard's photo .... This bullet track was NOT created by a bullet that had been fired from that SE corner window.....
A bullet struck the TSBD on the cement ledge below the sixth floor window and debris from that bullet strike fell onto Bonnie Ray Williams head ( LOOK at Dillard's photo....Notice BRW's head)
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PS.....If you've read "Walt's Fab's" WF #1 -- Then you know that the basic crux of the my "fabrication" is to point out that the track of that bullet puts a time stamp on the photo... Dillard snapped the shutter DURING the SHOOTING and he filmed the vapor trail of the hot bullet through the cool humid air......And the photo clearly shows that there was NOBODY firing a rifle from that window....
You won't be around much longer
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Anyway a marine trained shooter would be able to adapt to different rifles much more readily than the average Joe
I specifically asked to not insult someone's intelligence by claiming that it must have been Oswald because of his expert training in the Marine Corps. That is a completely idiotic assumption supported by redundant silliness. Why would someone just be able to adapt to different rifles? You just made that up. You don't know anything about rifles be honest for once.
while you lot
Where did you learn English... very curious.
Besides blowing gas from his backside for the last 12 months...El Chappo has contributed absolutely nothing to this forum.
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You won't be around much longer
Bill Chapman wrote:..."You won't be around much longer"
I've been threatened before, Chappie.... I've had the FBI visit and try to intimidate me...
Many of us critics of the B.S. tale that is officially approved by the US government are threatened.... some of us don't scare easily....
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Bill Chapman wrote:..."You won't be around much longer"
I've been threatened before, Chappie.... I've had the FBI visit and try to intimidate me...
Many of us critics of the B.S. tale that is officially approved by the US government are threatened.... some of us don't scare easily....
Walter - Until your picture is tacked up down at the Post Office, I think you can relax.
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Walter - Until your picture is tacked up down at the Post Office, I think you can relax.
No...As long as they can discredit me, I'm in no danger..... But Lil Chappie is getting desperate, because he's unable to refute the facts that I present.
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Bill Chapman wrote:..."You won't be around much longer"
I've been threatened before, Chappie.... I've had the FBI visit and try to intimidate me...
Many of us critics of the B.S. tale that is officially approved by the US government are threatened.... some of us don't scare easily....
I'm referring to your mental derangement
You lot are so paranoid and self-exalting
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I'm referring to your mental derangement
You lot are so paranoid and self-exalting
And you suffer for brain degradation .... Due to cranialrectalitis. I'm not at all paranoid.... The old adage of "we Have nothing to fear but fear itself" is 100% accurate...
Fear or paranoia can ruin a man.....
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Bill Chapman wrote:..."You won't be around much longer"
I've been threatened before, Chappie.... I've had the FBI visit and try to intimidate me...
Many of us critics of the B.S. tale that is officially approved by the US government are threatened.... some of us don't scare easily....
Really! How did the FBI intimidate you? What did they say? Who was it? Did you get a name?
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Really! How did the FBI intimidate you? What did they say? Who was it? Did you get a name?
Walter - Before you supply details remember what just went down with Stone. You could be setting yourself up for an Operation "Hodor".
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Walter - Before you supply details remember what just went down with Stone. You could be setting yourself up for an Operation "Hodor".
I have no intention of supplying information.....
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Walter - Before you supply details remember what just went down with Stone. You could be setting yourself up for an Operation "Hodor".
remember what just went down with Stone.
YES!!..... Shades of Nazi Germany!..... The American people had better wake up and ...STAND UP......
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No...As long as they can discredit me, I'm in no danger..... But Lil Chappie is getting desperate, because he's unable to refute the facts that I present.
You don't cite your 'facts'
(The voices in your head don't count as cites)
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Really! How did the FBI intimidate you? What did they say? Who was it? Did you get a name?
Wallyburger has the same problem that Oswald had: Delusions of grandeur.
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remember what just went down with Stone.
YES!!..... Shades of Nazi Germany!..... The American people had better wake up and ...STAND UP......
They are. And the traitors like Roger Stone(d) are going down.
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And you suffer for brain degradation .... Due to cranialrectalitis. I'm not at all paranoid.... The old adage of "we Have nothing to fear but fear itself" is 100% accurate...
Fear or paranoia can ruin a man.....
Fear or paranoia can ruin a man
You are the poster boy for CT paranoia
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Walter - Before you supply details remember what just went down with Stone. You could be setting yourself up for an Operation "Hodor".
Roger Stone is a major scumbag
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I specifically asked to not insult someone's intelligence by claiming that it must have been Oswald because of his expert training in the Marine Corps. That is a completely idiotic assumption supported by redundant silliness. Why would someone just be able to adapt to different rifles? You just made that up. You don't know anything about rifles be honest for once. Where did you learn English... very curious.
Besides blowing gas from his backside for the last 12 months...El Chappo has contributed absolutely nothing to this forum.
re 'while you lot': Where did you learn English... very curious.
>>> You're the one who needs to be concerned about learning the language:
To wit: 'You lot' is British slang for 'you guys' or 'you people'
Maybe get an education before opening your pie-hole
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re 'while you lot': Where did you learn English... very curious.
>>> You're the one who needs to be concerned about learning the language:
To wit: 'You lot' is British slang for 'you guys' or 'you people'
Maybe get an education before opening your pie-hole
It's obvious Walter got your goat. If you have an issue let's hear it.
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Fear or paranoia can ruin a man
You are the poster boy for CT paranoia
You're the epitome of a drooling imbecile ....... I'm sure it's readily apparent to most members, that you know very little about this case, and your role here is to drool and look foolish....
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I specifically asked to not insult someone's intelligence by claiming that it must have been Oswald because of his expert training in the Marine Corps. That is a completely idiotic assumption supported by redundant silliness. Why would someone just be able to adapt to different rifles? You just made that up. You don't know anything about rifles be honest for once.
Why would someone just be able to adapt to different rifles?
>>> Not 'just' someone. A trained marine.
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You're the epitome of a drooling imbecile ....... I'm sure it's readily apparent to most members, that you know very little about this case, and your role here is to drool and look foolish....
Your nutty fabrications speak volumes as to who is drooling around here
Take your meds, Waldo
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It's obvious Walter got your goat. If you have an issue let's hear it.
Try to follow along.That post was to Freeman.
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Why would someone just be able to adapt to different rifles?
>>> Not 'just' someone. A trained marine.
I've been trained on several shoulder fired weapons .... but I've never even held a Japanese Arisaka .....so I doubt that I could fire that rifle with great accuracy until after i'd fired at least 50 rounds .......
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Your nutty fabrications speak volumes as to who is drooling around here
Take your meds, Waldo
Chappy - Why not appreciate the Irony of Walter repeatedly posting on a thread questioning his integrity vs your starting a food fight?
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I've been trained on several shoulder fired weapons .... but I've never even held a Japanese Arisaka .....so I doubt that I could fire that rifle with great accuracy until after i'd fired at least 50 rounds .......
Because you couldn't do it, Oswald couldn't. Got it.
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Chappy - Why not appreciate the Irony of Walter repeatedly posting on a thread questioning his integrity vs your starting a food fight?
Point out where I started anything. Waldo insults everybody.
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Chappy - Why not appreciate the Irony of Walter repeatedly posting on a thread questioning his integrity vs your starting a food fight?
Thank you, Royell.....Mr Iacoletti initiated the thread as a way that he thought he could embarrass me....
He didn't realize that I'm quite happy ( and flattered) that someone has compiled a list of my posts.....
I'll point to an example of what probably seems crazy to the ignorant.... The RED RINGS... I have no idea what number Mr I has given the RED RINGS post....but many members like to raise that issue from time to time. And every time they do they expose their ignorance of the fact that there definitely were RED RINGS on the windows of the TSBD that afternoon. Those rings were a signal with a message....and it damned sure wasn't signals to firefighters....
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Thank you, Royell.....Mr Iacoletti initiated the thread as a way that he thought he could embarrass me....
He didn't realize that I'm quite happy ( and flattered) that someone has compiled a list of my posts.....
I'll point to an example of what probably seems crazy to the ignorant.... The RED RINGS... I have no idea what number Mr I has given the RED RINGS post....but many members like to raise that issue from time to time. And every time they do they expose their ignorance of the fact that there definitely RED RINGS on the windows of the TSBD that afternoon. Those rings were a signal with a message....and it damned sure wasn't signals to firefighters....
Ignorance is bliss no doubt. Every one of your 84 "lies" has been crammed up your backside on numerous occasions . Too many to count.
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Ignorance is bliss no doubt. Every one of your 84 "lies" has been crammed up your backside on numerous occasions . Too many to count.
I know that you've envisioned that in your drug induced hallucinations Lo Gun.....But it ain't true.....
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Roger Stone is a major scumbag
He is kinda creepy.
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from: Bill Chapman on Today at 08:59:20 PM
Roger Stone is a major scumbag
He is kinda creepy.
These guys must be a couple of disappointed Queen Hillary supporters.
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I know that you've envisioned that in your drug induced hallucinations Lo Gun.....But it ain't true.....
The immature alteration of someone's name . Your M.O. is on schedule. You're a LIAR and it's been proven . This is a public service to new members to ignore whatever it is you peddle.
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He is kinda creepy.
Ain't he though.
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from: Bill Chapman on Today at 08:59:20 PM
These guys must be a couple of disappointed Queen Hillary supporters.
I'm a Canadian but definitely not a Queen Hillary supporter. You think Hillary was bad? Just wait until you meet Queen Kamala and the Indian Princess.
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from: Bill Chapman on Today at 08:59:20 PM
These guys must be a couple of disappointed Queen Hillary supporters.
I'm not a big fan of President Trump....But I believe that he recognizes the swamp on the Potomac is teeming with snakes and rats,.....and he wants to drain that swamp.
And he wants to restore the Pride Americans once knew.... He's said that he's unhappy after seeing Americans disrespecting our national emblem, Our flag.....
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Point out where I started anything. Waldo insults everybody.
No, I do NOT insult everybody..... However, When I'm insulted and treated like I can't reason for myself. I feel justified in returning the insult.
And anybody with an IQ greater than a common garden slug can understand that the Warren Report is an INSULT.
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I'm a Canadian but definitely not a Queen Hillary supporter. You think Hillary was bad? Just wait until you meet Queen Kamala and the Indian Princess.
This is going to be quite entertaining, The parade of lefty crackbags that the democ rats will throw up there will be epic. Maybe Graves will run too. He's one of those California loonies so he'll fit right in.
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This is going to be quite entertaining, The parade of lefty crackbags that the democ rats will throw up there will be epic. Maybe Graves will run too. He's one of those California loonies so he'll fit right in.
Oh sure, it's all fun and games until......one of them gets elected. Believe me, I know all about it.
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This is going to be quite entertaining, The parade of lefty crackbags that the democ rats will throw up there will be epic. Maybe Graves will run too. He's one of those California loonies so he'll fit right in.
Calif is a mess. The Dem's have completely destroyed San Fran with their Sanctuary Lunacy + Joe 6 Pack now can't afford to buy a house = exodus. New York racing Calif to the bottom. The benefactors = Texas and Florida.
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Calif is a mess. The Dem's have completely destroyed San Fran with their Sanctuary Lunacy + Joe 6 Pack now can't afford to buy a house = exodus. New York racing Calif to the bottom. The benefactors = Texas and Florida.
Texas was an agriculture and oil economy before the coup d etat...... LBJ saw the opportunity to bring US government contracts to Texas and fill his bank accounts to overflowing if he could somehow gain control of the office of the President ..... At the time of the coup d e'tat LBJ was one step away from doing time in a Federal Prison...along with Billie Sol Estes, and Bobby Baker....
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Oh sure, it's all fun and games until......one of them gets elected. Believe me, I know all about it.
Legalized pot and free health care. The socialist hell you Canadians must be living in.
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Legalized pot and free health care. The socialist hell you Canadians must be living in.
Free Health Care? WOW! How do I go about getting my money back?
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Legalized pot and free health care. The socialist hell you Canadians must be living in.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/true-cost-of-health-care-to-average-family-is-11k-per-year-report-1.2525114
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If you're a Canadian, either your employer handles your health care as part of your benefits, or you are unemployed, in which case you get your health care for free. Only independent contractors and the self employed pay a premium for health care, which is still a far cry from what the US pays for Obamacare where the insurance company's motto is to deny your claim. Yet we don't seem to have a problem with paying for socialist programs like the military. Go figure.
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If you're a Canadian, either your employer handles your health care as part of your benefits, or you are unemployed, in which case you get your health care for free. Only independent contractors and the self employed pay a premium for health care, which is still a far cry from what the US pays for Obamacare where the insurance company's motto is to deny your claim. Yet we don't seem to have a problem with paying for socialist programs like the military. Go figure.
You don't have a clue as to how the Canadian Healthcare system works.
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Free Health Care? WOW! How do I go about getting my money back?
Have absolutely No source of income and reside in San Fran. Nancy and Kamala will also make sure you are powdered and diapered.
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No, I do NOT insult everybody..... However, When I'm insulted and treated like I can't reason for myself. I feel justified in returning the insult.
And anybody with an IQ greater than a common garden slug can understand that the Warren Report is an INSULT.
The WC findings are only an insult to those that wish they would match their pet theories.
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The WC findings are only an insult to those that wish they would match their pet theories.
The SBT is certainly Not a "finding". It is David Copperfield worthy. An Illusion.
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The WC findings are only an insult to those that wish they would match their pet theories.
OH really.....There are many many critics of LBJ's Cover up committee's report, who have no theory at all. Personally I can't imagine why an intelligent person can't draw a solid conclusion after decades of reviewing information but there are some who reject the WR but still refuse to draw a conclusion....
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OH really.....There are many many critics of LBJ's Cover up committee's report, who have no theory at all. Personally I can't imagine why an intelligent person can't draw a solid conclusion after decades of reviewing information but there are some who reject the WR but still refuse to draw a conclusion....
Then there's people like you that just pull things out of their backside then foolishly type them on here. ::)
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Then there's people like you that just pull things out of their backside then foolishly type them on here. ::)
Hey Lo Gun..... Did ya ever figger out why someone had stuck seven RED RINGS in the windows of the TSBD before the murder of JFK?
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Hey Lo Gun..... Did ya ever figger out why someone had stuck seven RED RINGS in the windows of the TSBD before the murder of JFK?
The ones that signaled LBJ that the hit was a go? The ones that they took down right after the shooting? The ones they put back up the next morning? The ones that the FBI put back when they were doing their reenactment? These are all YOUR contributions. Wow, does your ass ever get sore?
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Hey Lo Gun..... Did ya ever figger out why someone had stuck seven RED RINGS in the windows of the TSBD before the murder of JFK?
There are better ways to green light shooter(s) than taking out a Billboard. Which brings to mind why RED would be used as a Green Light/Go signal?
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There are better ways to green light shooter(s) than taking out a Billboard. Which brings to mind why RED would be used as a Green Light/Go signal?
JFK knew that the RED RINGS on the beach at BOP were there to identify the location of the Cuban in Brigade 2508, and a signal to the air cover that the CIA had promised the Cubans. The RED RINGS served a dual purpose.... A) An instant visual reminder to JFK that he had caused the brigade's capture and the deaths of dozens of the "Freedom Fighters"...... That's what the CIA wanted.... And they also notified LBJ, that the trap was set.... It required only his signal to spring it.
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OH really.....There are many many critics of LBJ's Cover up committee's report, who have no theory at all. Personally I can't imagine why an intelligent person can't draw a solid conclusion after decades of reviewing information but there are some who reject the WR but still refuse to draw a conclusion....
Your 'many, many critics' reside on the far shores of the lunatic fringe
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The SBT is certainly Not a "finding". It is David Copperfield worthy. An Illusion.
That's just your opinion
How about some facts: For instance, why do you lot never post this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mk6ZbPtR/CE399butt.jpg)
@Newbies: These brainiacs are still claiming (after 55 years, mind you) CE399 a pristine bullet
Lets see their heads squished to that degree and still brush it off as 'minor'
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That's just your opinion
How about some facts: For instance, why do you lot never post this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mk6ZbPtR/CE399butt.jpg)
@Newbies: These brainiacs are still claiming (after 55 years, mind you) CE399 a pristine bullet
Lets see their heads squished to that degree and still brush it off as 'minor'
@Newbies: LNer brainiacs are still claiming (after 55 years, mind you) CE399 was NOT a pristine bullet
But pristine means intact. CE399 was 95% intact. How does 1 bullet smash thru 3 bones and show up slightly deformed, intact with no DNA on it, while the 2nd FMJ bullet strikes 1 bone and explodes (0% intact)?
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That's just your opinion
How about some facts: For instance, why do you lot never post this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mk6ZbPtR/CE399butt.jpg)
@Newbies: These brainiacs are still claiming (after 55 years, mind you) CE399 a pristine bullet
Lets see their heads squished to that degree and still brush it off as 'minor'
Nice try Chappy..... Though the bullet (CE 399) may not be "pristine" in the strictest sense of the word it definite did NOT strike Connally's rib or his wrist.....
Any FMJ 6.5 bullet would have been badly damaged if it had stuck either of the bones that CE 399 is imagined to have struck.
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Mr Easily Duped.... Is the rifle shown in the video a stock Carcano?? Question:.... How did this man do what no other person could do.??...
Notice how Walt always has an excuse? First it can't be done at all. Then when somebody does it, the excuse is that the clip wasn't full. Then when somebody does it with a full clip, then the excuse is that it wasn't a "stock" Carcano.
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PS.....If you've read "Walt's Fab's" WF #1 -- Then you know that the basic crux of the my "fabrication" is to point out that the track of that bullet puts a time stamp on the photo... Dillard snapped the shutter DURING the SHOOTING and he filmed the vapor trail of the hot bullet through the cool humid air......And the photo clearly shows that there was NOBODY firing a rifle from that window....
"Bullet track"
"Vapor trail"
:D :D :D
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Notice how Walt always has an excuse? First it can't be done at all. Then when somebody does it, the excuse is that the clip wasn't full. Then when somebody does it with a full clip, then the excuse is that it wasn't a "stock" Carcano.
John, It's not I who evades the truth.... The basic question is:... Did your FBI buddy, Firearms "expert", Robert Frazier say that the carcano could be loaded and used as a single shot rifle JUST LIKE A Springfield 30.06 ? Did Frazier say that John?
And how about Your fellow FBI chum's statement that the carcano can be loaded with seven cartridges ...have you been to a gun shop and asked to see a carcano loaded with seven live rounds? Have you John?
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Nice try Chappy..... Though the bullet (CE 399) may not be "pristine" in the strictest sense of the word it definite did NOT strike Connally's rib or his wrist.....
Any FMJ 6.5 bullet would have been badly damaged if it had stuck either of the bones that CE 399 is imagined to have struck.
@Newbies:
Hit hard bone in JFK at a glance, squishing lead out the butt
FMJ ammo is designed to resist expending its energy inside a body
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John, It's not I who evades the truth.... The basic question is:... Did your FBI buddy, Firearms "expert", Robert Frazier say that the carcano could be loaded and used as a single shot rifle JUST LIKE A Springfield 30.06 ? Did Frazier say that John?
And how about Your fellow FBI chum's statement that the carcano can be loaded with seven cartridges ...have you been to a gun shop and asked to see a carcano loged with seven live rounds? Have you John?
Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
In this video the gentleman hand loaded a single cartridge into the chamber, closed the bolt and fired it.
(http://)
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That's just your opinion
How about some facts: For instance, why do you lot never post this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mk6ZbPtR/CE399butt.jpg)
@Newbies: These brainiacs are still claiming (after 55 years, mind you) CE399 a pristine bullet
Lets see their heads squished to that degree and still brush it off as 'minor'
Chappy - You are combining the SBT with the Pristine Bullet. These are 2 Separate Independent Issues.
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Freeman said---- Right after the shots anyway...
By "shots" I'm sure that you mean shots from the window, or the shots that killed JFK....Which are generally accepted as three shots.... There were more than three shots fired and at least one shot was fired to draw the attention of the Three stooges who it was thought would immediately start cackling like a flock of frighten chickens and draw the cops to the planted evidence.... The three stooges didn't react as had been calculated....They didn't start running for their lives, and report that someone was on the floor above them...Instead they went to the west end and opened the windows so they could see what the hell was going on in the area where they had heard THE SHOTS fired......
And the photo clearly shows that there was NOBODY firing a rifle from that window....
Mr. GRODEN - , would you please identify each of these exhibits?
Mr. GRODEN - The exhibit on the left, on the top part of the left photograph, is a motion picture frame, one single frame taken from the film by Robert Hughes. Just as the President's car was about to turn off of Houston Street on to Elm. On the bottom is a blowup of the window which was supposed to have been the window used by the assassin during the shooting which will begin within seconds of this frame being taken. The photograph in the center was taken by a man named Tom Dillard, who is a professional photographer; it is a newspaper photograph and it shows the entire wall of the depository; this section which we see here is somewhat cropped to highlight the window, again, the same window the assassin was supposed to have used. It was taken an estimated 3 seconds after the final shot was fired, but that is probably a loose figure. Within seconds would be a more accurate statement. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscagrod.htm
[personally I believe that JFK was shot once in the throat once in the back-twice in the head]--Jerry Freeman
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The ignorant and little kids laugh at things they don't understand.....
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Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
In this video the gentleman hand loaded a single cartridge into the chamber, closed the bolt and fired it.
(http://)
Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
No Frazier was not correct....Frazier was was flat FOS..... He said the carcano could be loaded and fired as a single shot rifle "JUST LIKE A SPRINGFIELD 30.06 "
Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
A single shell CANNOT be loaded into ,and then close the bolt..... The shell MUST MUST be seated onto the face of the bolt to enable the bolt to close....
He was wrong..... And you don't know Jack S or what the hell you're talkin about.....
The first question is:....Has the bolt been modified?? It's difficult to see but It appears that the man has the bolt out of the rifle....You can't actually see him load the cartridge into the rifle....
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Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
No Frazier was not correct....Frazier was was flat FOS..... He said the carcano could be loaded and fired as a single shot rifle "JUST LIKE A SPRINGFIELD 30.06 "
Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
A single shell CANNOT be loaded into ,and then close the bolt..... The shell MUST MUST be seated onto the face of the bolt to enable the bolt to close....
He was wrong..... And you don't know Jack S or what the hell you're talkin about.....
The first question is:....Has the bolt been modified?? It's difficult to see but It appears that the man has the bolt out of the rifle....You can't actually see him load the cartridge into the rifle....
You should be used to this Walter, but once again you are proven to be wrong. This time by someone who doesn't even know that he did. This gentleman proved Frazier was correct. You can see him place the shell into the chamber of the rifle, he then separately closes the bolt with the bullet already in the chamber, fires the rifle, and then he ejects the shell. The bolt worked just the way it was designed.
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You should be used to this Walter, but once again you are proven to be wrong. This time by someone who doesn't even know that he did. This gentleman proved Frazier was correct. You can see him place the shell into the chamber of the rifle, he then separately closes the bolt with the bullet already in the chamber, fires the rifle, and then he ejects the shell. The bolt worked just the way it was designed.
This time by someone who doesn't even know that he did.
You may be right on that point....The guy clearly is a Dumbass.....and a show-off. He could easily be firing a modified Carcano and not even know it....
The bolt worked just the way it was designed.
Thank you for making such a stupid statement.....It very easy for any interested person to google the bolt design of the carcano and determine that you're FOS....
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Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
In this video the gentleman hand loaded a single cartridge into the chamber, closed the bolt and fired it.
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Is there a longer version of this video in which the principle(s) involved definitively ID the rifle being fired? Whether intentional or accidental, an incorrect slug heading can be attached to any Video. We see this often with pics/visuals that get re-tweeted. As it stands, the above Video is Proof of Nothing except a guy was able to fire a rifle with 1 arm.
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Is there a longer version of this video in which the principle(s) involved definitively ID the rifle being fired? Whether intentional or accidental, an incorrect slug heading can be attached to any Video. We see this often with pics/visuals that get re-tweeted. As it stands, the above Video is Proof of Nothing except a guy was able to fire a rifle with 1 arm.
These same lying cretins try to save the reputation of the FBI's "EXPERT" witness ( Robert Frazier) who swore that the carcano can hold seven cartridges....
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These same lying cretins try to save the reputation of the FBI's "EXPERT" witness ( Robert Frazier) who swore that the carcano can hold seven cartridges....
This guy knew nothing about Robert Frazier or the JFK assassination.
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This guy knew nothing about Robert Frazier or the JFK assassination.
I wasn't referring to the DA who fired the carcano in the video ..... I was referring to Jack "Lying Cretin" Nessan who presented the BS video.....
BTW John...Did you view the YOU tube video in which the man clearly says "You can only get six rounds in the gun, you CANNOT get seven"
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I wasn't referring to the DA who fired the carcano in the video ..... I was referring to Jack "Lying Cretin" Nessan who presented the BS video.....
BTW John...Did you view the YOU tube video in which the man clearly says "You can only get six rounds in the gun, you CANNOT get seven"
Did you view the video in which the man clearly shows that you can get seven rounds in the rifle? Did you view the video in which the man fires seven shots, without reloading, from his unmodified Carcano M91/38? Of course you did. You are just too dishonest to admit what they show,
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Did you view the video in which the man clearly shows that you can get seven rounds in the rifle? Did you view the video in which the man fires seven shots, without reloading, from his unmodified Carcano M91/38? Of course you did. You are just too dishonest to admit what they show,
Clearly you're not intelligent enough to understand what the man says on the video....and he actually demonstrates why it's impossible to load seven rounds in a standard carcano. .... But I'll bet you'd be dumb enough to try to put 7 pounds of sh-- in a 6 pound bag.
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This time by someone who doesn't even know that he did.
You may be right on that point....The guy clearly is a Dumbass.....and a show-off. He could easily be firing a modified Carcano and not even know it....
The bolt worked just the way it was designed.
Thank you for making such a stupid statement.....It very easy for any interested person to google the bolt design of the carcano and determine that you're FOS....
If you are going to pretend you are knowledgeable about these rifles you should at least own one.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&id=84899CEE760D9481A57E0804A0BB9017D7E09DFA&thid=OIP.0mVN5I7p85T-F_AUTUhbHAHaHU&mediaurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fototime.com%2FE32E900B98878E5%2Fstandard.jpg&exph=403&expw=408&q=carcano+bolt+extractor&selectedindex=23&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&eim=1(http://)
The carcano bolt extractor is machined to flex apart and also is bevel cut to accept a single shell. They may have been designed to load by a clip but they are capable of being single loaded into the chamber just the way the video shows. If you owned one you would have known this.
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If you are going to pretend you are knowledgeable about these rifles you should at least own one.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&id=84899CEE760D9481A57E0804A0BB9017D7E09DFA&thid=OIP.0mVN5I7p85T-F_AUTUhbHAHaHU&mediaurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fototime.com%2FE32E900B98878E5%2Fstandard.jpg&exph=403&expw=408&q=carcano+bolt+extractor&selectedindex=23&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&eim=1(http://)
The carcano bolt extractor is machined to flex apart and also is bevel cut to accept a single shell. They may have been designed to load by a clip but they are capable of being single loaded into the chamber just the way the video shows. If you owned one you would have known this.
The carcano bolt extractor is machined to flex apart and also is bevel cut to accept a single shell. They may have been designed to load by a clip but they are capable of being single loaded into the chamber just the way the video shows. If you owned one you would have known this.
The carcano bolt extractor is machined to flex apart
I don't know what a "Bolt Extractor" is..... But the spent cartridge extractor is made of spring steel and it does in fact flex apart but that isn't to allow it to flex over the live round in loading the shell.... The spring action of the extractor is what flips the spent cartridge from the rifle ...Thus it's called an EXTRACTOR...
and also is bevel cut to accept a single shell. The bevel of the extractor isn't there to act as a cam, which would allow the extractor to cam up and over the rim of the cartridge if the design of the receiver didn't prevent that caming action. The extractor is beveled to MATCH the bevel of the cartridge......
They may have been designed to load by a clip but they are capable of being single loaded into the chamber just the way the video shows.
NOT may be designed ....The carcano IS designed to be loaded by a clip ONLY.....and a carcano can be loaded as a single shot rifle if the cartridge is fed into the face of the bolt in the same manner the clip feeds the cartridge into the face of the bolt. It cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle IN THE SAME WAY A SPRINGFIELD 30.06 can be loaded as a single shot rifle.
If you owned one you would have known this.
I own several.... I'll sell you one so you can learn a little about the carcano.....
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Robert Frazier is correct. The carcano can have a single shell inserted into the chamber, close the bolt and be fired.
In this video the gentleman hand loaded a single cartridge into the chamber, closed the bolt and fired it.
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Still waiting on someone to Verify that the guy is loading and firing a Carcano. The slug heading attached to the top of this video Proves Nothing.
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Still waiting on someone to Verify that the guy is loading and firing a Carcano. The slug heading attached to the top of this video Proves Nothing.
Sorry Royell.... Yes, the show-off is firing a carcano.... It appears to be a M38 36 inch carbine but it could be a "youth rifle" ... The "youth rifles were made to train Italian boys in the mechanics of firing the carcano.... Blank cartridges were intended .... however a live round could be fired in some of the youth rifles because the barrels were made from old worn our carcanos and cut down for the youth rifle.
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Still waiting on someone to Verify that the guy is loading and firing a Carcano. The slug heading attached to the top of this video Proves Nothing.
Honestly, I can't even believe this is a question. Do you honestly know this little about the rifle or guns in general? I would hope he would not shoot the wrong ammo in a gun and at least be aware of what he is doing. Interesting a question like this is asked in a thread involving Walt, in a way it just makes sense.
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The carcano bolt extractor is machined to flex apart and also is bevel cut to accept a single shell. They may have been designed to load by a clip but they are capable of being single loaded into the chamber just the way the video shows. If you owned one you would have known this.
The carcano bolt extractor is machined to flex apart
I don't know what a "Bolt Extractor" is..... But the spent cartridge extractor is made of spring steel and it does in fact flex apart but that isn't to allow it to flex over the live round in loading the shell.... The spring action of the extractor is what flips the spent cartridge from the rifle ...Thus it's called an EXTRACTOR...
and also is bevel cut to accept a single shell. The bevel of the extractor isn't there to act as a cam, which would allow the extractor to cam up and over the rim of the cartridge if the design of the receiver didn't prevent that caming action. The extractor is beveled to MATCH the bevel of the cartridge......
They may have been designed to load by a clip but they are capable of being single loaded into the chamber just the way the video shows.
NOT may be designed ....The carcano IS designed to be loaded by a clip ONLY.....and a carcano can be loaded as a single shot rifle if the cartridge is fed into the face of the bolt in the same manner the clip feeds the cartridge into the face of the bolt. It cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle IN THE SAME WAY A SPRINGFIELD 30.06 can be loaded as a single shot rifle.
If you owned one you would have known this.
I own several.... I'll sell you one so you can learn a little about the carcano.....
NOT may be designed ....The carcano IS designed to be loaded by a clip ONLY.....and a carcano can be loaded as a single shot rifle if the cartridge is fed into the face of the bolt in the same manner the clip feeds the cartridge into the face of the bolt. It cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle IN THE SAME WAY A SPRINGFIELD 30.06 can be loaded as a single shot rifle.
No because of all the reasons given, the cartridge can be placed into the chamber of the rifle and the bolt closed and the extractor will spring around the head of the shell casing and the cartridge can be fired and then extracted. You obviously don't like that it can be done that way but it certainly can be done that way. Just like the Springfield 30-06.
If you owned one these rifles this would not even be a discussion about whether it could be fired in this manner.
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NOT may be designed ....The carcano IS designed to be loaded by a clip ONLY.....and a carcano can be loaded as a single shot rifle if the cartridge is fed into the face of the bolt in the same manner the clip feeds the cartridge into the face of the bolt. It cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle IN THE SAME WAY A SPRINGFIELD 30.06 can be loaded as a single shot rifle.
No because of all the reasons given, the cartridge can be placed into the chamber of the rifle and the bolt closed and the extractor will spring around the head of the shell casing and the cartridge can be fired and then extracted. You obviously don't like that it can be done that way but it certainly can be done that way. Just like the Springfield 30-06.
If you owned one these rifles this would not even be a discussion about whether it could be fired in this manner.
the extractor will spring around the head of the shell casing
I believe what you are trying to say is "the extractor will spring around the head rim of the shell casing "...But you're wrong.... The extractor cannot "spring around" the rim of a cartridge because the tolerance inside the receiver are too tight to allow the extractor to "spring around" the rim of the cartridge.
The extractor covers about 1/4 of the circumference of the face of the bolt, and the annular slot that grabs the rim of the cartridge covers about 1/2 of the circumference of the bolt face which leaves about 1/4 of the face of the bolt open to accept the cartridge as the cartridge is fed into the bolt by the spring in the magazine pushing the cartridge up and into the bolt.
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Honestly, I can't even believe this is a question. Do you honestly know this little about the rifle or guns in general? I would hope he would not shoot the wrong ammo in a gun and at least be aware of what he is doing. Interesting a question like this is asked in a thread involving Walt, in a way it just makes sense.
I take it You have No Proof regarding Specifically what Weapon is being fired in the video You posted. Cavalierly labeling as Fact that which is Uncorroborated & Unproven = why this case remains Unsolved after 55+ years. Congrats on your membership to this ever-growing club.
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I take it You have No Proof regarding Specifically what Weapon is being fired in the video You posted. Cavalierly labeling as Fact that which is Uncorroborated & Unproven = why this case remains Unsolved after 55+ years. Congrats on your membership to this ever-growing club.
Cavalierly labeling as Fact that which is Uncorroborated & Unproven = why this case remains Unsolved after 55+ years.
I wouldn't dismiss it as merely ignorance...A large percentage of the "facts" which are not actually facts at all, were created by LBJ's Cover Up Committee's "experts".
And those "experts" weren't ignorant.....They knew exactly what they were lying about. Just as Jack Nessan knows he's lying ..... This debate isn't about how a mannlicher carcano operates.... I've openly challenged one of the FBI 's "experts", and made myself the target for being discredited. Unfortunately, for Nessan, the mechanical design of a machine like the Mannlicher Carcano is NOT open to debate. The carcano was designed to operate in a specified manner, and Jack N. doesn't know Jack S. about how the carcano operates.
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I own several
Of course you do.
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Of course you do.
Thank You.... And if you're being sarcastic, I could not care less.....
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the extractor will spring around the head of the shell casing
I believe what you are trying to say is "the extractor will spring around the head rim of the shell casing "...But you're wrong.... The extractor cannot "spring around" the rim of a cartridge because the tolerance inside the receiver are too tight to allow the extractor to "spring around" the rim of the cartridge.
The extractor covers about 1/4 of the circumference of the face of the bolt, and the annular slot that grabs the rim of the cartridge covers about 1/2 of the circumference of the bolt face which leaves about 1/4 of the face of the bolt open to accept the cartridge as the cartridge is fed into the bolt by the spring in the magazine pushing the cartridge up and into the bolt.
No I meant the head of the cartridge. You obviously knew what was being discussed. Call it what you may, extractor groove, base of the cartridge, head, or rim take your pick it is all the same.
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"But you're wrong.... The extractor cannot "spring around" the rim of a cartridge because the tolerance inside the receiver are too tight to allow the extractor to "spring around" the rim of the cartridge."
But yet it does work that way. Absolute nonsense stating it doesn't. Stop pretending and buy a rifle and go shoot it. You will then know what the rest of us know. I bet it is hard to give up a concept you have been railing at for years.
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Just like Frazier, here is one more firearms expert describing how the extractor springs around the head of the cartridge when the shell is already present in the chamber.
Joseph Nicol stating in his WC testimony about the extractor springing around the head of the shell, obviously also felt it was possible in answering a question from Eisenberg.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, what led you to the conclusion that this was an ex tractor mark?
Mr. NICOL. Only that it appears at the location of the cartridge case where an extractor mark would normally be found. That is to say, this would be the mark where the extractor strikes the edge of the case, and then springs around as the cartridge is driven into the chamber.
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No I meant the head of the cartridge. You obviously knew what was being discussed. Call it what you may, extractor groove, base of the cartridge, head, or rim take your pick it is all the same.
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"But you're wrong.... The extractor cannot "spring around" the rim of a cartridge because the tolerance inside the receiver are too tight to allow the extractor to "spring around" the rim of the cartridge."
But yet it does work that way. Absolute nonsense stating it doesn't. Stop pretending and buy a rifle and go shoot it. You will then know what the rest of us know. I bet it is hard to give up a concept you have been railing at for years.
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Just like Frazier, here is one more firearms expert describing how the extractor springs around the head of the cartridge when the shell is already present in the chamber.
Joseph Nicol stating in his WC testimony about the extractor springing around the head of the shell, obviously also felt it was possible in answering a question from Eisenberg.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, what led you to the conclusion that this was an ex tractor mark?
Mr. NICOL. Only that it appears at the location of the cartridge case where an extractor mark would normally be found. That is to say, this would be the mark where the extractor strikes the edge of the case, and then springs around as the cartridge is driven into the chamber.
Thank you for presenting another so called "expert" who didn't know how the Carcano operates..... I was not aware that Nicol made this bonehead statement.
Mr. NICOL. Only that it appears at the location of the cartridge case where an extractor mark would normally be found. That is to say, this would be the mark where the extractor strikes the edge of the case, and then springs around as the cartridge is driven into the chamber.
the extractor strikes the edge of the case, and then springs around as the cartridge is driven into the chamber.
Nicol clearly doesn't know that the face of a carcano bolt is much smaller than the head of the brass cartridge . The area in front of the annular groove and the extractor of the bolt that would contact a cartridge in the chamber is 10mm in diameter, and the rim of a carcano cartridge is 11.3mm. Attempting to load a single round would be akin to putting a 10mm nut on a 12mm bolt .... Or putting a 12mm square peg in a 10mm round hole.....
Nicol's choice of words also reveals his ignorance.... " as the cartridge is driven into the chamber."
The cartridge is not DRIVEN INTO the chamber of any rifle that I know of.... If the cartridge has to be driven into the chamber I wouldn't want to be the person firing that rifle..... Or the person who would have to remove that cartridge from the chamber after it was fired.....
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No I meant the head of the cartridge. You obviously knew what was being discussed. Call it what you may, extractor groove, base of the cartridge, head, or rim take your pick it is all the same.
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"But you're wrong.... The extractor cannot "spring around" the rim of a cartridge because the tolerance inside the receiver are too tight to allow the extractor to "spring around" the rim of the cartridge."
But yet it does work that way. Absolute nonsense stating it doesn't. Stop pretending and buy a rifle and go shoot it. You will then know what the rest of us know. I bet it is hard to give up a concept you have been railing at for years.
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Just like Frazier, here is one more firearms expert describing how the extractor springs around the head of the cartridge when the shell is already present in the chamber.
Joseph Nicol stating in his WC testimony about the extractor springing around the head of the shell, obviously also felt it was possible in answering a question from Eisenberg.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, what led you to the conclusion that this was an ex tractor mark?
Mr. NICOL. Only that it appears at the location of the cartridge case where an extractor mark would normally be found. That is to say, this would be the mark where the extractor strikes the edge of the case, and then springs around as the cartridge is driven into the chamber.
A person who is so egotistical that he will not accept facts is STUPID!... Mr Nessan you're so bent on being "right" that you ignore basic undeniable facts. a basic machine like a bicycle cannot be refuted. When the pedal is pushed down the sprocket rotates and pulls the chain that goes to the smaller spocket which is attached to the read wheel. So the energy applied to the pedal is transferred to the rear wheel and the bicycle moves forward. That's the way the mechanism was designed. The same idea can be applied to the carcano bolt..... It was designed to be loaded from a clip... The carcano cannot be loaded with a single cartridge "just like a Springfield 30.06"..... Arguing that it can be, only prevents you from learning and gaining knowledge.....And arguing that it can be loaded just like a 30.06 indicates that you're STUPID.
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Let's see....
On one hand we have several people doing exactly that in Youtube videos, and on the other hand, we have a guy with 85 fabrications stamping his feet and insisting that it can't be done.
Tough choice...
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Let's see....
On one hand we have several people doing exactly that in Youtube videos, and on the other hand, we have a guy with 85 fabrications stamping his feet and insisting that it can't be done.
Tough choice...
If you can't go to a Carcano website and se how a carcano operates, then you are in the same boat with Jack Nessan....You're stupid.
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If you can't go to a Carcano website and se how a carcano operates, then you are in the same boat with Jack Nessan....You're stupid.
Are you sure you are looking at a carcano website?. Last time you posted a video of what you thought was a carcano it turned out it was really a German built Gew 88. Don't worry though I won't tell anyone and ruin your expert status.
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Are you sure you are looking at a carcano website?. Last time you posted a video of what you thought was a carcano it turned out it was really a German built Gew 88. Don't worry though I won't tell anyone and ruin your expert status.
I don't need to visit a Carcano Website....I own several carcanos..... I can remove the bolt from any of them and SEE why the carcano cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle as is possible with some other rifles....And I can drop a spent shell into the chamber and KNOW with absolute certainty that the bolt will not latch.
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I don't need to visit a Carcano Website....I own several carcanos..... I can remove the bolt from any of them and SEE why the carcano cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle as is possible with some other rifles....And I can drop a spent shell into the chamber and KNOW with absolute certainty that the bolt will not latch.
And yet other people on Youtube can do it with ease.
Conclusion: Walt doesn't really have a Carcano or know what he's talking about.
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I don't need to visit a Carcano Website....I own several carcanos..... I can remove the bolt from any of them and SEE why the carcano cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle as is possible with some other rifles....And I can drop a spent shell into the chamber and KNOW with absolute certainty that the bolt will not latch.
Walt, what are those interweb bastages doing then? How are they jerking your chain? Is it they don't have THE LHO Carcano, which you seem to have..and several of them, apparently?
Here is something constructive you can do with 1 of them:
Wipe off all the prints from 1 of your Carcanos then disassemble it, place its parts into a paper bag then remove them and reassemble the rifle, load the ammo into the clip, insert the clip, fire the rifle 3 times then dust it for prints and post the results. I'll bet there will be more than 0 prints.
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Walt, what are those interweb bastages doing then? How are they jerking your chain? Is it they don't have THE LHO Carcano, which you seem to have..and several of them, apparently?
Here is something constructive you can do with 1 of them:
Wipe off all the prints from 1 of your Carcanos then disassemble it, place its parts into a paper bag then remove them and reassemble the rifle, load the ammo into the clip, insert the clip, fire the rifle 3 times then dust it for prints and post the results. I'll bet there will be more than 0 prints.
Walt, what are those interweb bastages doing then? How are they jerking your chain? Is it they don't have THE LHO Carcano, which you seem to have..and several of them, apparently?
Thanks for the question Jack.... The bastages don't reveal if the carcanos being used are modified.... or badly worn. But the rifles can't be standard carcanos, because it's impossible to drop a live round into the chamber and close and latch the bolt. The design of the bolt prohibits that action.
How are they jerking your chain? Is it they don't have THE LHO Carcano, which you seem to have..and several of them, apparently?
The fact that the rifle being exhibited isn't the exact rifle that was found where it had been well hidden beneath boxes of books isn't pertinent. The FBI "expert" Robert Frazier swore that the carcano ( any carcano) could be loaded and fired as a single shot rifle just like a Springfield 30.06. He clearly was familiar with the 30.06 and he knew that it's possible to drop a single cartridge into chamber of that rifle and fire it as a single shot rifle. He also said that the carcano can be loaded with seven cartridges and used as a seven shot rifle.
I'm here to challenge those statements by a Warren Commission "EXPERT".....
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Walt, what are those interweb bastages doing then? How are they jerking your chain? Is it they don't have THE LHO Carcano, which you seem to have..and several of them, apparently?
Thanks for the question Jack.... The bastages don't reveal if the carcanos being used are modified.... or badly worn. But the rifles can't be standard carcanos, because it's impossible to drop a live round into the chamber and close and latch the bolt. The design of the bolt prohibits that action.
How are they jerking your chain? Is it they don't have THE LHO Carcano, which you seem to have..and several of them, apparently?
The fact that the rifle being exhibited isn't the exact rifle that was found where it had been well hidden beneath boxes of books isn't pertinent. The FBI "expert" Robert Frazier swore that the carcano ( any carcano) could be loaded and fired as a single shot rifle just like a Springfield 30.06. He clearly was familiar with the 30.06 and he knew that it's possible to drop a single cartridge into chamber of that rifle and fire it as a single shot rifle. He also said that the carcano can be loaded with seven cartridges and used as a seven shot rifle.
I'm here to challenge those statements by a Warren Commission "EXPERT".....
I'm here to challenge those statements by a Warren Commission "EXPERT".....
How about master a third graders understanding of a rifle before challenging a firearms expert.
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I'm here to challenge those statements by a Warren Commission "EXPERT".....
How about master a third graders understanding of a rifle before challenging a firearms expert.
Psssst.... Jack, You're looking at a mirror.......
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Psssst.... Jack, You're looking at a mirror.......
No, Frazier and Nicol are experts. I just have an average understanding of firearms from having been around them all my life. I was just trying to be kind estimating your knowledge of firearms at the third grade level.
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No, Frazier and Nicol are experts. I just have an average understanding of firearms from having been around them all my life. I was just trying to be kind estimating your knowledge of firearms at the third grade level.
You claim to have an understanding of firearms due to, "having been around them all my life". Exactly which end of these firearms were you facing?
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Here's Walt's "logic"
- It's impossible to drop a single cartridge into a Carcano, close the bolt, and fire it.
- But Walt, here are several videos of people dropping a single cartridge into a Carcano, closing the bolt, and firing it.
- Then those rifles must have been modified, because it's impossible to drop a single cartridge into a Carcano, close the bolt, and fire it.
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No, Frazier and Nicol are experts. I just have an average understanding of firearms from having been around them all my life. I was just trying to be kind estimating your knowledge of firearms at the third grade level.
I just have an average understanding of firearms from having been around them all my life.
WOWEE!!...ZOWIE!!! What a candid admission..... So you don't even own a Mannlicher Carcano!!....And I most certain do....
That puts you in your place.....And I thank you....
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WOWEE!!...ZOWIE!!! What a candid admission..... So you don't even own a Mannlicher Carcano!!....And I most certain do....
I think that just illustrates that he doesn't make stuff up like you do.
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I think that just illustrates that he doesn't make stuff up like you do.
Of course you can't accept that I'm right in exposing the FBI "expert" Robert Frazier as a fraud .... You value your paycheck, don't you Johnny?
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Of course you can't accept that I'm right in exposing the FBI "expert" Robert Frazier as a fraud .... You value your paycheck, don't you Johnny?
No Mervin, I value the truth, not your made up BS.
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No Mervin, I value the truth, not your made up BS.
No you don't "value the truth" Johnny..... If you did, you'd admit that the information that was broadcast over the DPD radio about the 30 caliber rifle, could only have come from Howard Brennan....
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No you don't "value the truth" Johnny..... If you did, you'd admit that the information that was broadcast over the DPD radio about the 30 caliber rifle, could only have come from Howard Brennan....
Mervin, In order for me to "admit" that, I need some evidence that it is actually true.
Why could "30 caliber rifle" have only come from Brennan?
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Mervin, In order for me to "admit" that, I need some evidence that it is actually true.
Why could "30 caliber rifle" have only come from Brennan?
Why could "30 caliber rifle" have only come from Brennan?
Name another person who went immediately ( it has to be prior to 12:40) to a cop and reported that he's seen a high powered rifle being aimed from a TSBD window.
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Why could "30 caliber rifle" have only come from Brennan?
Name another person who went immediately ( it has to be prior to 12:40) to a cop and reported that he's seen a high powered rifle being aimed from a TSBD window.
Name anybody who went immediately ( it has to be prior to 12:40) to a cop and reported that he saw a weapon that looked like a 30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester.
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Name anybody who went immediately ( it has to be prior to 12:40) to a cop and reported that he saw a weapon that looked like a 30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester.
A DPD radio broadcast reported .....(Witness said that the rifle ) "looked like a 30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester."
"30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester". Neither Sawyer (who's the one who broadcasted that), or Sorrels, or anybody else is on record as saying that info came from Brennan."
So it was sawyer who broadcast the information that the suspect was armed with "30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester".......
Do you think he invented that out of thin air, Johnny? WHERE could Sawyer have got that information?
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Do you think he invented that out of thin air, Johnny? WHERE could Sawyer have got that information?
That's what I have been asking! Your answer is Brennan, but you have no evidence that it was Brennan. There's no record of Brennan ever referring to it as "30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester".
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That's what I have been asking! Your answer is Brennan, but you have no evidence that it was Brennan. There's no record of Brennan ever referring to it as "30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester".
I'll bet you have difficulty believing that if you couple a male and female rabbit.... the result will be more rabbits...
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No, Frazier and Nicol are experts. I just have an average understanding of firearms from having been around them all my life. I was just trying to be kind estimating your knowledge of firearms at the third grade level.
I just have an average understanding of firearms from having been around them all my life.
I was just trying to be kind estimating your knowledge of firearms at the third grade level.
Are you now man enough to apologize ?..... You have candidly admitted that you don't have any hands on experience with the mannlicher carcano, and I've told you repeatedly that I own a few carcanos.... I KNOW with 100% certainty that the standard carcano CANNOT be loaded and fired as a single shot rifle "Just like a Springfield 30.06" as FBI "EXPERT" Robert Frazier boldly told the Warren Commission.
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I'll bet you have difficulty believing that if you couple a male and female rabbit.... the result will be more rabbits...
You have difficulty making relevant analogies.
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Are you now man enough to apologize ?..... You have candidly admitted that you don't have any hands on experience with the mannlicher carcano, and I've told you repeatedly that I own a few carcanos....
You say a lot of things repeatedly that aren't true. Why would this be any different?
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You say a lot of things repeatedly that aren't true. Why would this be any different?
In fairness, he is claiming ownership of Carcanos, consistent with..:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/lee-harvey-oswalds-carcano-rifle-shooting-it-today/
Lee Harvey Oswald?s Carcano Rifle ? Shooting It Today
by GUNSAMERICA ACTUAL on NOVEMBER 11, 2013
...You will find enormous inconsistencies in the language about Oswald?s rifle because few if any of the researchers were gun nuts apparently. For one, even the Warren Commission called the rifle a ?Mannlicher-Carcano,? and you will find that repeated all over the bunkers and debunker websites today. The Mannlicher is a completely different rifle that has nothing to do with the Carcano except for the fact that both guns use a single stack ?en-bloc? clip, kind of like the metal clip that M1 Garands use in doublestack form. The clip on the Carcano holds six rounds, and you push the loaded clip in from the top of the action. If you look in the pictures, you?ll see that ours is made of spring steel that is blued. Oswald?s, and others you?ll see for sale online, seems to be copper washed, or with some kind of brass plating. The Mannlicher uses almost the same clip, and the clip is called Mannlicher-Carcano sometimes, but not the rifle....
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?120844-Carcano-Single-Load
Carcano Single Load? (A short, informative thread (8 posts) )
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In fairness, he is claiming ownership of Carcanos, consistent with..:
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?120844-Carcano-Single-Load
Carcano Single Load? (A short, informative thread (8 posts) )
The article is one of the most outrageous pieces of BS I've ever read..... The author is an idiot!......
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The article is one of the most outrageous pieces of BS I've ever read..... The author is an idiot!......
Interestingly, many feel the same way about your postings. Coincidence? I think not.
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Interestingly, many feel the same way about your postings. Coincidence? I think not.
Never-the-less... YOU Mr May, feel compelled to make a damned fool of yourself , in an effort to discredit me.....
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Never-the-less... YOU Mr May, feel compelled to make a damned fool of yourself , in an effort to discredit me.....
And yet this very thread begun by another CT is named: ?Handy Guide to Walt?s Fabrications?. YOU are discredited. You lie. You?re caught. It?s pointed out to you and you lie again to cover the original lie. Walt, I know this case. Backwards and forwards. You don?t. And that?s obvious to all. Hence, your lies. I?m done with you.
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And yet this very thread begun by another CT is named: ?Handy Guide to Walt?s Fabrications?. YOU are discredited. You lie. You?re caught. It?s pointed out to you and you lie again to cover the original lie. Walt, I know this case. Backwards and forwards. You don?t. And that?s obvious to all. Hence, your lies. I?m done with you.
You only know the official government created, and approved, tale..... And most folks reject that BS.....
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You only know the official government created, and approved, tale..... And most folks reject that BS.....
Dear Walter,
That's right, and it's because they've swallowed -- hook line and sinker -- all of the KGB-inspired propaganda over the years.
To wit: "The Evil, Evil, Evil American Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex Killed JFK!"
Which eventually led to: "Donald Trump Is Being Persecuted By The Deep State, Da?"
-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy :)
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Dear Walter,
That's right, and it's because they've swallowed -- hook line and sinker -- all of the KGB-inspired propaganda over the years.
To wit: "The Evil, Evil, Evil American Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex Killed JFK!"
Which eventually led to: "Donald Trump Is Being Persecuted By The Deep State, Da?"
-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy :)
Tommy, If you had been in Germany on September 2, 1939 you would be one of those who forever believed that a lone Polish soldier attacked a German Radio station and created the cause for Hitler to declare war on Poland.....Proof of this statement is in the fact that you believe the most ridiculous BS about the Coup d e'tat on November 22, 1963.....
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The article is one of the most outrageous pieces of BS I've ever read..... The author is an idiot!......
Multiple people in articles and videos are all idiots and liars, but only Walt (who owns several Carcanos) knows the real truth.
Seems legit.
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Multiple people in articles and videos are all idiots and liars, but only Walt (who owns several Carcanos) knows the real truth.
Seems legit.
Did you read the article?? https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/lee-harvey-oswalds-carcano-rifle-shooting-it-today/ Any intelligent person can see that it's a pile of BS.....
But this link-- ( https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?120844-Carcano-Single-Load )-- supports my position completely..... The carcano cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle by simply dropping a cartridge into the breech and closing and latching the bolt, as is routinely done with many rifles including a Springfield 30.06. The FBI "expert" Robert Frazier told the WC that the Carcano could be loaded as a single shot rifle by simply placing a single cartridge in the breech and closing the bolt, just like a Springfield 30.06. There are many replies to the question about how to load a single cartridge into a caracano and NONE of them agree with The "expert" Robert Frazier .
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Tommy, If you had been in Germany on September 2, 1939 you would be one of those who forever believed that a lone Polish soldier attacked a German Radio station and created the cause for Hitler to declare war on Poland.....Proof of this statement is in the fact that you believe the most ridiculous BS about the Coup d e'tat on November 22, 1963.....
Dear Walter,
1) That's a suggestion I refuse to accept.
2) You should pull your head out of your xxx and read Tennent H. Bagley's 2007 book Spy Wars and his 2014 followup PDF Ghosts of the Spy Wars (for background as to how the "KGB" has been running circles around our intelligence services since day one), and Mark Riebling's 1994 book Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA (especially the chapter titled Sinister Implications, regarding, among other things, why Khrushchev would have wanted JFK dead).
Oh yeah, and while you're at it, why don't you google [ byetkov obyedkov kulak leonov ] all in one search?
But I know that you won't, because you've been brainwashed by the likes of Mark Lane and Oliver Stone, and you probably hate America, especially the CIA and the FBI, and, well, the cognitive dissonance you'd experience by reading those four things would be agonizing.
-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy :)
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Did you read the article?? https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/lee-harvey-oswalds-carcano-rifle-shooting-it-today/ Any intelligent person can see that it's a pile of BS.....
But this link-- ( https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?120844-Carcano-Single-Load )-- supports my position completely..... The carcano cannot be loaded as a single shot rifle by simply dropping a cartridge into the breech and closing and latching the bolt, as is routinely done with many rifles including a Springfield 30.06. The FBI "expert" Robert Frazier told the WC that the Carcano could be loaded as a single shot rifle by simply placing a single cartridge in the breech and closing the bolt, just like a Springfield 30.06. There are many replies to the question about how to load a single cartridge into a caracano and NONE of them agree with The "expert" Robert Frazier .
Your original position was that it couldn't be done at all. Then you changed it to, ok, you can do it, but it's not easy.
But all Frazier said was:
Mr. McCLOY - Can you use that rifle without the clip?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; you can.
Mr. McCLOY - What is the advantage of the clip?
Mr. FRAZIER - It permits repeated firing of the weapon without manually loading one shot at a time.
Mr. McCLOY - The only other way you can fire it is by way of manual load?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; one shot at a time.
Mr. McCLOY - When you say a six-cartridge clip, could that gun have been fired with the clip fully loaded and another one in the chamber?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - The same as the .30-06?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; the weapon will hold a maximum of seven.
He didn't make any statement on how easy or convenient it would be to make the weapon hold a maximum of seven, just that it can be done.
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Your original position was that it couldn't be done at all. Then you changed it to, ok, you can do it, but it's not easy.
But all Frazier said was:
Mr. McCLOY - Can you use that rifle without the clip?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; you can.
Mr. McCLOY - What is the advantage of the clip?
Mr. FRAZIER - It permits repeated firing of the weapon without manually loading one shot at a time.
Mr. McCLOY - The only other way you can fire it is by way of manual load?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; one shot at a time.
Mr. McCLOY - When you say a six-cartridge clip, could that gun have been fired with the clip fully loaded and another one in the chamber?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - The same as the .30-06?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; the weapon will hold a maximum of seven.
He didn't make any statement on how easy or convenient it would be to make the weapon hold a maximum of seven, just that it can be done.
No, it can't be done ( loaded as a seven shot rifle) with a standard Mannlicher Carcano....
Your original position was that it couldn't be done at all. Then you changed it to, ok, you can do it, but it's not easy.
My original statement was merely a refutation of the WC "Expert'" statement ..... So I might have said it couldn't be done ..Because that "expert" Robert Frazier had said that the carcano "could be loaded as a single shot rifle JUST LIKE a Springfield 30.06"......And that is not true.
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You lot always claim the Carcano was clunky to operate. So thanks for agreeing that the testers were at a disadvantage by dint of not having sufficient practice time working that 'clunky' bolt and firing that 'clunky' rifle.
Very Good.... Now you're exhibiting a tiny bit of intelligence, Chappie.... ( on par with a 7 year old)
You're right the tester said the rifle bolt was difficult to operate and inhibited the rifle from being fired rapidly and accurately.... In your words It was "clunky" and not at all suitable to use as a quickly fired sniper rifle.
I'm drawing on personal experience with a Mannlicher Carcano ( I have several) ....The stiff firing pin spring in the bolt of the carcano bolt is compressed as the bolt is being turned and unlatched after firing a live cartridge..... At the same time the firing pin spring is being compressed the hot, and expanded spent cartridge is being twisted in the firing chamber. Then the expanded spent shell is drawn to the rear and ejected . The compression of the FP spring and the friction of the spent shell causes the rifle to be twisted counterclockwise in the shooters left hand ....and the barrel of the rifle is pulled off target.
A poorly serviced and maintained rifle ( one that is dirty and not well lubricated) compounds the problem by a factor of ten.....
The testers were using a well serviced and lubricated rifle and still they could not duplicate the feat that a few ignorant suckers profess to believe Lee Oswald accomplished.... Rave on Chappie....
The carcano is a still a mess when it is maintained properly. I'm no gun expert but I do hunt with a rifle so have experience. The scope on mine becomes misaligned every shot and it is much easier to use without. I'm way more accurate using the irons.
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The carcano is a still a mess when it is maintained properly. I'm no gun expert but I do hunt with a rifle so have experience. The scope on mine becomes misaligned every shot and it is much easier to use without. I'm way more accurate using the irons.
It really shouldn't do that. I use a Marlin 30-30 lever action with a Tascam scope and I haven't had to re-align it in years.
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The carcano is a still a mess when it is maintained properly. I'm no gun expert but I do hunt with a rifle so have experience. The scope on mine becomes misaligned every shot and it is much easier to use without. I'm way more accurate using the irons.
Thanks for weighing in with your personal experience....John. Have you tried to load your carcano as a single shot rifle by simply dropping a single round into the breech ?
The scope on mine becomes misaligned every shot and it is much easier to use without. I'm way more accurate using the irons.
The authorities told us very early that the arch villain Leee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald BOOOOOO! HISSSSS ! used a deadly accurate rifle that had telescopic sights.
Naturally to the inexperienced that seems to make sense..... What is your reply to the authorities?
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The carcano is a still a mess when it is maintained properly. I'm no gun expert but I do hunt with a rifle so have experience. The scope on mine becomes misaligned every shot and it is much easier to use without. I'm way more accurate using the irons.
So you're no gun expert but the Carcano is a mess according to you. Got it.
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So you're no gun expert but the Carcano is a mess according to you. Got it.
I believe that Mr Koslowski is saying that even though he makes no claim to being a gun expert he has first hand knowledge about the carcano rifle.
"The carcano is a still a mess when it is maintained properly."
I'd second that idea.... Even a well maintained carcano is a clunky hard to operate rifle, and an extremely poor choice of a weapon that would be required to fire accurately and rapidly....
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I believe that Mr Koslowski is saying that even though he makes no claim to being a gun expert he has first hand knowledge about the carcano rifle.
"The carcano is a still a mess when it is maintained properly."
I'd second that idea.... Even a well maintained carcano is a clunky hard to operate rifle, and an extremely poor choice of a weapon that would be required to fire accurately and rapidly....
I'm no expert but I've been shooting guns and hunting with rifles for 20 years. I have the same Ordinance Optics scope that Oswald had and the gun is a piece of garbage. I could see if someone modified it could possibly ly shoot better. But the stock rifle is the worst I've ever shot. I'm not sure why you even argue with these idiots Walt. This place is one of the most vile forums I've ever seen. Cant have a civilized debate without being attacked by others and the admin encourages it. Much better places out there than this outdated spam filled mess
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If the clip is empty sure it can be done. But with bullets in the clip I'm not so sure. I can test it out and let you know. I've tried on other rifles and it didnt work but never tried with the carcano.
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If the clip is empty sure it can be done. But with bullets in the clip I'm not so sure. I can test it out and let you know. I've tried on other rifles and it didnt work but never tried with the carcano.
Have you tried to load your carcano as a single shot rifle by simply dropping a single round into the breech ?
I can test it out and let you know.
Thanks John.....Just open the bolt and drop a single round ( or spent shell) into the chamber and try to close and latch the bolt.......
Then using a full clip of live ammo... insert the clip into the magazine and try to put a seventh round into the chamber....
Thanks John....
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Your original position was that it couldn't be done at all. Then you changed it to, ok, you can do it, but it's not easy.
But all Frazier said was:
Mr. McCLOY - Can you use that rifle without the clip?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; you can.
Mr. McCLOY - What is the advantage of the clip?
Mr. FRAZIER - It permits repeated firing of the weapon without manually loading one shot at a time.
Mr. McCLOY - The only other way you can fire it is by way of manual load?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; one shot at a time.
Mr. McCLOY - When you say a six-cartridge clip, could that gun have been fired with the clip fully loaded and another one in the chamber?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY - The same as the .30-06?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; the weapon will hold a maximum of seven.
He didn't make any statement on how easy or convenient it would be to make the weapon hold a maximum of seven, just that it can be done.
John Kozlowski wrote:.....
I highly doubt that you can load a 7th into it with the clip already in. I can try tomorrow and let you know. Going to bed now gotta be up early for work or else I'd test it out. I have a couple other older rifles that with even 1 in the clip you cant load one on top.
I dont understand how you can argue with these morons. It's a lost cause in my book. People like DVP and others are compete idiots.
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John Kozlowski wrote:.....
I highly doubt that you can load a 7th into it with the clip already in. I can try tomorrow and let you know. Going to bed now gotta be up early for work or else I'd test it out. I have a couple other older rifles that with even 1 in the clip you cant load one on top.
I dont understand how you can argue with these morons. It's a lost cause in my book. People like DVP and others are compete idiots.
John sent me a PM.....
You CANNOT load a bullet into the chamber with a full clip. Who ever says that you can is a liar. Sending you this PM as I dont intend to get into an argument online with these guys.
Thank You, John....
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Then John needs to watch these videos.
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Also, here is gungeek dropping a single round into the chamber and closing and latching the bolt.
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Also, here is gungeek dropping a single round into the chamber and closing and latching the bolt.
The problem is: You're not familiar with the carcano..... So you can't spot the chicanery in the video.
I'm not sure what the flim flam artist's motive is for being dishonest.....Perhaps it's just his ego to prove that he can do something that's been declared impossible.
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I'm no expert but I've been shooting guns and hunting with rifles for 20 years. I have the same Ordinance Optics scope that Oswald had and the gun is a piece of garbage. I could see if someone modified it could possibly ly shoot better. But the stock rifle is the worst I've ever shot. I'm not sure why you even argue with these idiots Walt. This place is one of the most vile forums I've ever seen. Cant have a civilized debate without being attacked by others and the admin encourages it. Much better places out there than this outdated spam filled mess
Tell us why you wasted your time on a 'piece of garbage'
Don't you research a product before you buy it?
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The problem is: You're not familiar with the carcano..... So you can't spot the chicanery in the video.
I'm not sure what the flim flam artist's motive is for being dishonest.....Perhaps it's just his ego to prove that he can do something that's been declared impossible.
Somebody needs to tell these people they need to stop doing what can't be done or at least what Walt thinks can't be done.
If you have delicate ears don't turn on the volume.
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Somebody needs to tell these people they need to stop doing what can't be done or at least what Walt thinks can't be done.
If you have delicate ears don't turn on the volume.
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Is that a model 91/38 Manlicher carcano that the man is using? It looks like a M91 Calvalry carbine....and the cartridge he holds up to the camera sure as hell is American made ammo ..which uses a projectile that is smaller than the bullet that the rife was designed to use. Thus the bullet can move around in the chamber which allows the bolt to cam over the rim of the cartridge. AND we have no way of knowing if the carbine is badly worn......
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Is that a model 91/38 Manlicher carcano that the man is using? It looks like a M91 Calvalry carbine....and the cartridge he holds up to the camera sure as hell is American made ammo ..which uses a projectile that is smaller than the bullet that the rife was designed to use. Thus the bullet can move around in the chamber which allows the bolt to cam over the rim of the cartridge. AND we have no way of knowing if the carbine is badly worn......
Always amazed at how little you know. The assassination was carried out with American made ammunition. WCC lot 6000 is American made ammo. WCC=Western Cartridge Company.
I doubt you know this but It is the same receiver just a shorter barrel. I thought you said you owned some of these rifles? Do you actually believe the chamber is made so sloppy that the shell casing can freely move around in the chamber?
The inability to place a shell in the chamber and close the bolt sounds more like a lack of strength issue. Simply put you are unable to muster the arm strength to make the extractor spring apart. I was thinking you are an average adult male but maybe I need to rethink that. First unable to reassemble a few screws on the carcano in a minor amount of time and now can't single load a carcano by dropping the cartridge in the chamber and closing the bolt.
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Always amazed at how little you know. The assassination was carried out with American made ammunition. WCC lot 6000 is American made ammo. WCC=Western Cartridge Company.
I doubt you know this but It is the same receiver just a shorter barrel. I thought you said you owned some of these rifles? Do you actually believe the chamber is made so sloppy that the shell casing can freely move around in the chamber?
The inability to place a shell in the chamber and close the bolt sounds more like a lack of strength issue. Simply put you are unable to muster the arm strength to make the extractor spring apart. I was thinking you are an average adult male but maybe I need to rethink that. First unable to reassemble a few screws on the carcano in a minor amount of time and now can't single load a carcano by dropping the cartridge in the chamber and closing the bolt.
Simply put you are unable to muster the arm strength to make the extractor spring apart. I was thinking you are an average adult male but maybe I need to rethink that.
Actually I didn't have the guts to try to hammer the bolt shut with the heel of my hand.....But a strong beefy young man wanted to try......So I gave him the carcano and a cartridge and told him to be careful.... And yes he did in fact manage to hammer the bolt shut with the heel of his hand....But I was standing back and worried about what might happen if the firing pin released while he was hammering the bolt forward..... And I was concerned that he might break the extractor....
But he managed to load a single cartridge "just like it's possible with a Springfield 30.06"..... ( well not exactly.....You don't need to hammer the bolt shut with the Springfield. )
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Simply put you are unable to muster the arm strength to make the extractor spring apart. I was thinking you are an average adult male but maybe I need to rethink that.
Actually I didn't have the guts to try to hammer the bolt shut with the heel of my hand.....But a strong beefy young man wanted to try......So I gave him the carcano and a cartridge and told him to be careful.... And yes he did in fact manage to hammer the bolt shut with the heel of his hand....But I was standing back and worried about what might happen if the firing pin released while he was hammering the bolt forward..... And I was concerned that he might break the extractor....
But he managed to load a single cartridge "just like it's possible with a Springfield 30.06"..... ( well not exactly.....You don't need to hammer the bolt shut with the Springfield. )
The guys in the videos didn't have any problem closing the bolt in fact it could not have been easier, but you felt the need to have a first grader close the bolt for you? While he was there you should have asked him how the gun works including when to have your finger on the trigger and when to not.
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The guys in the videos didn't have any problem closing the bolt in fact it could not have been easier, but you felt the need to have a first grader close the bolt for you? While he was there you should have asked him how the gun works including when to have your finger on the trigger and when to not.
So .....How do you know that the carbine in the video has not been altered?
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The problem is: You're not familiar with the carcano..... So you can't spot the chicanery in the video.
I'm not sure what the flim flam artist's motive is for being dishonest.....Perhaps it's just his ego to prove that he can do something that's been declared impossible.
Or maybe your ego won't allow you to admit that you're wrong.
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So .....How do you know that the carbine in the video has not been altered?
It's amazing how many of these people, who have never even heard of Walt Cakebread, go to the trouble of modifying their rifles just to fool everyone into thinking that Walt Cakebread is wrong.
Maybe Walt Cakebread is just wrong.
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Or maybe your ego won't allow you to admit that you're wrong.
No, that's not true.... But I am a stubborn A-- hole.... And when someone tries to give me a dog turd and tell me it's a candy bar..... I do become indignant.
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(Quote Link Above= Reply by Tom Scully to a heapin' helpin" of Walt's BS....)
I abhor long winded BS posts...
The Bottom line is J.Edgar Hoover.....
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Mr Scully.... Where did the BY photo (CE 133A) come from?? Where did the DFP get the photo?.... J.Edgar Hoover....
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Mr Scully.... Where did the BY photo (CE 133A) come from?? Where did the DFP get the photo?.... J.Edgar Hoover....
Sigh....! Let the record indicate that the time stamp (05:33:27 PM) below, pointing (linking) to a post by me,
is identical to the time stamp included in my immediate last post, ON THIS VERY PAGE of the INSTANT THREAD!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roberts_(journalist)
Eugene Leslie Roberts, Jr. (born June 15, 1932)[1] is an American journalist and professor of journalism. He has been a national editor of The New York Times, executive editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer from 1972 to 1990, and managing editor of The New York Times from 1994 to 1997. Roberts is most known for presiding over The Inquirer's "Golden Age",[2] a time in which the newspaper was given increased freedom and resources, won 17 Pulitzer Prizes in 18 years,[3] displaced The Philadelphia Bulletin as the city's "paper of record", and was considered to be Knight Ridder's crown jewel as a profitable enterprise and an influential regional paper.[4]
.......Career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roberts_(journalist)#Career
Roberts was born in Pikeville[citation needed] in the Goldsboro, North Carolina Metropolitan Area. He grew up in North Carolina and worked for newspapers in Goldsboro, N.C.; Norfolk, Va.; Raleigh, N.C.; and Detroit. He covered the Kennedy Assassination in Dallas for the Detroit Free Press and subsequently covered the Civil Rights Movement as a correspondent for The New York Times, where he also served as Saigon bureau chief in 1968 during the Vietnam War. After serving as national editor at The Times from 1969 to 1972, he was hired by John S. Knight to head The Inquirer. He retired in 1990 and returned to the Times as managing editor from 1994 to 1998.
Roberts taught journalism from 1991 to 1994 and from 1998 to 2010 at the Philip Merrill College of Journalism, University of Maryland.
He is on the board of directors of the Committee to Protect Journalists and served five years as its chairman; he has also served as chairman of the Pulitzer Prize Board, the International Press Institute, and the Board Of Visitors of the School of Communications at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.....
Adam Wilkinson Posted October 7, 2005
I just thought I would share an interview I conducted with Gene Roberts over email.
A March 2, 1964 article in Newsweek Magazine claimed that Gene Roberts had purchased a number of photographs of Oswald on behalf of the Detroit Free Press. The negative of one of these photographs has never been located or analysed, so I asked Gene the following questions:
1. Who sold you these photographs?
2. What photos were included in the purchase?
3. Did the Warren Commission or the House Select Committee on Assassinations ever try to contact you to reacquire these photos?
4. Do you know what became of these photos?
Here is his answer for any researcher who may be interested:
The photographs you asked about came from the files of the district
attorney?s office in Dallas. The DA got them from the FBI. They were the
same photographs that were given to the Warren Commission.
The photographs included the well known photograph of Oswald holding a
rifle in one hand and The Worker, the Communist Party newspaper from New
York, in the other; photocopies of Oswald?s identity cards, some with
aliases and others in his own name; and some family photos, as I recall.
I don?t remember the exact number, but there were possibly as many as 25
or 30. Almost all of the photographs were later made public, but at the
time they were new to the reading public.
No negatives were involved, only copies of photos and documents in the
FBI files. The FBI made them available to the Dallas DA to aid in the
prosecution of the Jack Ruby case. I correctly guessed this might happen
and made every effort to cultivate people in the DA?s office in the hope
that I might get access to the files. One employee of the DA made the
files available to me from 8 p.m. on a Saturday night to 8 a.m. on
Sunday morning, a 12-hour period when the employee did not think anyone
would be in the DA?s office. I hired an experienced photo lab person to
photocopy the file during the 12-hour period. I stayed with him during
the entire copying process and he provided me with two copies of every
photo and document in the file.
I had planned to route each set of copies on different airlines from
Dallas to my newspaper at the time, the Detroit Free Press in Detroit,
Michigan But I was so sleep-deprived that when I arrived at the
Dallas-Fort Worth airport on Sunday at about 9 a.m., I failed to make my
instructions clear and both sets of photographs were routed on the same
flight to Detroit. Because of weather conditions ? or mechanical
problems, I can?t remember which ? the plane was grounded in New Orleans
for several hours.
Panic developed at the Free Press, which wanted the photos in time for
the first edition of the Monday paper, which had a 6 p.m. deadline on
Sunday. We knew that Life magazine had access to some of the photos and
would start appearing at newsstands about noon on Monday. We wanted to
beat them to the punch.
As the deadline approached, editors in Detroit asked me to describe the
pictures and estimate the size of each photo that would be on page one.
With this information, the paper set the type for the front page and
made the page with holes for the pictures.
The plane arrived in Detroit about 30 minutes before deadline on Sunday
at the Detroit airport, which was about 30 minutes by car from the Free
Press building. My editor, Derrick Daniels, had motorcycles waiting on
the tarmac to speed the photos to the newsroom, where he had photo
editors and airbrush artists waiting to expedite the photos into the
paper. In 1964, engraving processes were not as sophisticated as they
later became, and it was commonplace to airbrush photos with white
liquid chalk to heighten the definition between dark and gray areas in
photographs. In the haste to get the photos in the paper, an airbrusher
covered the sniper scope (on the rifle Oswald was holding along with The
Worker paper) with liquid chalk.
Our paper was indeed available several hours ahead of Life. But when
Life appeared on newsstands, its photo of Oswald with The Worker paper
had a sniper scope. The Free Press photo did not. Armchair detectives
around the world found this to be highly suspicious.
But the Life and Free Press photos were both copies of the very same
photograph. Because airbrushers use liquid chalk that can be scratched
away with a fingernail, you could easily determine that the photographs
were the same. The apparent discrepancies of the photos have been
mentioned several times over the years in books and articles, creating a
mystery where none really existed. Had anyone taken the time to visit
the morgues (libraries) of the two publications, they could have seen
that the photos were the same.
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Sigh....! Let the record note that the time stamp below, quoting myself, is identical to the time stamp included in my immediate
last post, ON THIS VERY PAGE of the INSTANT THREAD!
That doesn't address the problem.... Was J.Edgar Hoover the source for the BY photo being presented to the public? A simple "yes" or "no", please...
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That doesn't address the problem.... Was J.Edgar Hoover the source for the BY photo being presented to the public? A simple "yes" or "no", please...
Walt, at long last, will you even consider the possibility you are the problem?
Two press outlets published similar BYP photos in nearly the same time frame.... Above, I accounted for the origin of the photo print
acquired by DFP's Gene Roberts, at the time, in early 1964, per an interview of Roberts claimed in 2005 by Adam Wilkinson (Posted October 7, 2005).
Prior to that, I posted this research I completed earlier today, supporting the origin of the similar photo posted (published) by Life Magazine.:
....and this was your reply to my post containing that information supporting the source of the photo published by Life, as that
magazine was attempting to beat the Detroit Free Press efforts to publish before Life Magazine could.:
I am typing this post sitting on a bed in my folks' basement, an exercise distracting me from worrying about my out of control body weight! How 'bout you, Walt?
Perhaps you could reduce that out of control body weight by taking a long walk on a short pier....
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Walt, at long last, will you even consider the possibility you are the problem?
Two press outlets published similar BYP photos in nearly the same time frame.... Above, I accounted for the origin of the photo print
acquired by DFP's Gene Roberts, at the time, in early 1964, per an interview of Roberts claimed in 2005 by Adam Wilkinson (Posted October 7, 2005).
Prior to that, I posted this research I completed earlier today, supporting the origin of the similar photo posted by Life Magazine.:
....and this was your reply to my post containing that information supporting the source of the photo published by Life, as that
magazine was attempting to beat the Detroit Free Press efforts to publish before Life Magazine could.:
Psssst....Mr Scully... I requested a simple "yes" or "no" .... The question is: Was J.Edgar Hoover the source for the B.Y. photo that was "leaked" to the publications?
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This should save a lot of time for forum members in the future. Just refer to the following list, and when Walt brings one of these up, you can just say, "oh that's Walt Fabrication #25", or whatever. New fabrications can be added to the list as he creates them.
WF1: The Dillard photo was taken during the assassination.
WF2: Oswald told Fritz that he saw Norman and Jarman walk past the lunchroom a few minutes before the shooting.
WF3: Oswald said he saw 3 rifles in Truly's office on November 20.
WF4: Howard Brennan saw a gunman in the 6th floor southwest window.
WF5: The telex that William Walter showed the HSCA was a photocopy of an original telex that warned of the assassination, rather than a reconstruction Walter did from memory.
WF6: LBJ was filmed on the night of November 22 on the airport tarmac saying something like "AH cum tew yew with a havy heart.....Yer president is daid".
WF7: Chief Curry was filmed telling reporters that when Baker stopped Oswald he was "calmly drinking a Coke".
WF8: There exists a photo of LD Montgomery holding the large paper bag with an umbrella handle sticking out.
WF9: Tom Alyea filmed the rifle after the clip had slid out. [Note: Walt has since retracted this one]
WF10: You can't operate a Mannlicher Carcano as a single shot rifle
WF11: Most of the DPD photos taken on the sixth floor were fake reconstructions taken at night.
WF12: Richard Case Nagell had an ID card with the Name Alek Hidell on it.
WF13: Russians have a difficult time pronouncing the name Lee.
WF14: The Irving police shook the Walker note out of the Russian cook book.
WF15: The coroner ruled that Henry Marshall committed suicide.
WF16: Oswald told Bill Shelley that he was going to take the afternoon off because there wouldn't be anymore work done that day.
WF17: Anna Meller testified that George De Mohrenschildt told her that Lee had taken a potshot at Walker...No wait, it was actually Natasha Voshinin...Oh wait she didn't testify that, she actually told that to Dick Russell in 1992.
WF18&19: Brennan told the cops that the man that he had seen with a HUNTING RIFLE (possibly a 30-30 Winchester) in the TSBD was NOT present in the line up.
WF20: Junior Jarman testified that he and Harold Norman walked by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 /12:27 on their way to the fifth floor.
WF21: Benavides said the Killer DID NOT look like Lee Oswald.
WF22: In late April 1963, LBJ requested an substantial increase in his Secret Service protection. He was requesting more protection than was allotted for JFK.
WF23: The Powell photo shows a rifle barrel protruding from the window.
WF24: J.E. Hoover revealed that he had information on Waggoner Carr that could put Carr behind bars.....
WF25: Red signal rings were placed on the fifth and sixth floor windows of the TSBD to signal LBJ that everything was in place and the coup would take place at his thumbs up signal.
WF26: Hoover knew about the rifle being sent to PO Box 2915 in March of 1963. Oswald's PO Box was under surveillance and the Feds knew that a rifle had been sent to that PO Box.
WF27: There's no doubt in my mind that the "Sheriff" told Williams to keep his mouth shut about seeing a "Secret Service Man" there on the sixth floor.....And that's exactly what williams did.....And he's still alive today because he kept his mouth shut.......
WF28: The cops who were there said they pulled the gun from Lee's waistband.
WF29: The ticket booth is not in the sunlight.....it is in the shade, therefore it appears blue.
WF30: Lee Oswald knew hunting season was closed and there was no reason for the guns in the TSBD.
WF31: The butt of the pistol on "Oswald's" hip falls at exactly the same place on the fence in the background in CE 133A and 133c.....
WF32: Oswald was provided with an electric razor that emitted a very unique and identifiable radio signal, which was used to activate a camera on Francis Gary Powers' U-2 spyplane.
WF33: Kellerman and Greer are pulling their heads down (ducking) before JFK is hit in the head.
WF34: both Greer and Kellerman are ducking as "something" light colored is knocked off the front of the car goes sailing over their heads.
WF35: Are you aware that there were NO IDENTIFIABLE PRINTS found on the rifle?
WF36: Whaley testified that his passenger was wearing THREE jackets.
WF37: Truly and Baker went up to the second floor on the front staircase and then crossed the second floor to where they encountered Oswald.
WF38: Helen Markham received a threatening call from Henry Wade at "City Hall" and he warned her that he'd put her in the slammer if she continued talking to reporters.
WF39: An attempt to rechamber a spent shell causes a CRUMPLING type dent on the LIP ONLY.
WF40: The TSBD staircase was soundproof.
WF41: The police suspected that the goofy Walker was pulling a publicity stunt, to enhance his image in his run for Governor......They merely went through the motions of investigating and filed the reports.....
WF42: I'm 99% sure that JFK learned of Lee's accomplishments behind the Iron Curtain and ordered that the young spy be brought home because he wanted to use his talents in Cuba.
WF43: Givens said that he saw Lee on the sixth floor at about 12:10
WF44: William Whaley said that Lee climbed into his taxicab at the Greyhound bus station at 12:30
WF45: The shooter didn't know the man in front of JFK was John Connally.......Connally was not supposed to be there....another LBJ foe was supposed to be sitting in that jump seat.....Senator Ralph Yarborough was scheduled to ride in that seat.
WF46: Organ gives the distance as 190 feet ..... That's the approximate distance to the window at the time JFK's brains were blown out.
WF47: On a visit to Mexico, Earl Warren had did something that he didn't want the public to know about. Apparently Hoover knew about this and so did LBJ.......When Earl Warren tried to refuse to be the presiding judge for LBJ's "Special Select Blue Ribbon Committee"..... LBj said something like..."We wouldn't want the folks to find out about Mexico, now would we Judge?" After that Warren was putty in LBJ's hands.......
WF48: Miss Burns said she entered the office immediately after she heard the shots...and she said that [Wilson] was standing.
WF49: [Wilson] said that he was SITTING at his deck until that moment and then got up to see JFK pass by.
WF50: The photos CE 133A and CE 133B are shown uncropped on page 90 of Groden's The Search for LHO. The shadows being cast by the stairs are identical in both photos.
WF51: J. Edgar Hoover acknowledged that the Z film had been altered.
WF52: Michael Paine gave a backyard photo to Fritz.
WF53: Oswald's selective service card was signed "Gut Schieffer", which is German for Good Marine.
WF54: The "sniper's nest" had several cigarette butts on the floor.
WF55: The Walker incident was nothing but a hoax that De Morhenschildt and Oswald thought would get Lee welcomed into Cuba.
WF56: If either JFK or Connally had been wearing the light colored Stetson, they probably wouldn't have been shot...... The white Stetson was the badge of the "good guys"..... When JFK shunned the hat and refused to put it on, he sealed his fate.
WF57: Connally didn't know what the hell LBJ was talkin about when he told him to be sure to wear his white Stetson in the Lincoln
WF58: A man on the south side of Elm street was shot in the leg during the assassination
WF59: The photo on page 68 of TKOAP shows "Lee standing around out front" beside Billy Lovelady
WF60: LBJ nearly soiled his skivvies when he heard that John McCormack was moving to take the oath of office...
WF61: Yes, JFK was aware that a sniper on a roof top could try to shoot him..... The Secret Service had discovered the plot and warned JFK as did Bobby before JFK left Washington.
WF62: Just a few hours after the murder of President Kennedy the FBI eavesdropped on and recorded a telephone conversation at the Paine residence and Mike Paine was recorded as saying "He didn't do this, but we know who did"
WF63: Lee told Marina that he had hid the rifle where the police dogs would find it.
WF64: But it has been widely reported that Ruby corrected Henry Wade by saying "No Henry, that's the Fair Play for Cuba Committee"
WF65: "Lee told Fritz that his lunch included an apple and an orange"
WF66: Life magazine said the backyard photo was retouched before they got it
WF67: It was 50 feet between the alley and General Walker's house
WF68: Howard Brennan saw the bullet hit the cement ledge below the window
WF69: There is a bullet track in a photo that shows a bullet struck the TSBD window ledge above BRW's head.....And there was a pock mark from that bullet on the ledge until 1993
WF70: Brennan said he saw something fall from the TSBD
WF71: I'm not sure if this is the same manuscript that Alyea published many years ago. I have that manuscript....... I believe Alyea himself published / produced the manuscript.
WF72: Boone thought that Lt Day was Captain Fritz
WF73: Day saw a smudge that he IMAGINED to be a palm print on that WOODEN foregrip and he lifted it by using scotch tape as Tom Alyea watched him lift it. That lift is what you see in CE 639.
WF74: And there was a large sign on the east wall inside the double doors that said STAIRS on an ARROW pointing to the stairs to the second floor
WF75: and a locked gate kept him from entering the office area there on the second floor
WF76: several of the occupants of the car said that there were many bullets that struck the car in just a couple of seconds.
WF77: LBJ gave JFK a Stetson hat on the morning of November 22, 1963
WF78: Wilson said that he remained standing behind that window for over a quarter of an hour after the shooting
WF79: Walker call the editor in Germany on Saturday morning 11/23/63 and tells him that Oswald was the culprit who tried to kill him on April 10
WF80: Please check the photos of "Oswald" being escorted by a DPD detective, The photos seem to show Lee Oswald being escorted by a DPD Detective who has a hold on "Oswald's" right arm.... and Lee is wearing the arrest shirt. The problem is....The photos were fake....Lee was already in his grave and refused to get up to be escorted through the halls of the police station. So they used an impostor who resembled Lee Oswald and cropped the photos ........
WF81: Jack Ruby and Ralph Paul were co-owners of a drive in burger joint where JD Tippit was employed as a security guard
WF82: They kept Jack Ruby in the City Jail until he died
WF83: A persons ears never change
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WF84: Roy Truly had seen Lee Oswald sitting at a table in the second floor lunchroom just seconds after the shots were fired
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WF85: Howard Brennan is the ONLY person who stepped forward immediately after the shooting at 12:30, and reported seeing a man aiming a rifle from a TSBD window
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I've never bothered to look at your list before today, Johnny..... And I've merely scanned it quickly, so I don't know how accurately you've interpreted my statements ( and frankly my dear, I don't give a damn....
However I wanted to set the record straight so as not to mislead others....This morning I came across an enlarged photo of the James Powell photo.... The photo shows the BARRICADE boxes behind the window to be stacked differently than in the Dillard photo. The box arrangement in the Powell photo causes shadows on the east side of the boxes that I had though was a solid dark slender object like a gun barrel.... I can now see that what I thought was a rifle barrel is the shadow on the east side of the Barricade boxes.
So this eliminates that idea, but creates another problem....The barricade boxes are definitely stacked differently when the Powell photo is compared with the Dillard photo...
We are told that there is a mere 30 seconds between the Dillard photo and the Powell photo, and the Powell photo was taken AFTER the Dillard photo....
The shadows in the photos indicate that the Poell photo was taken BEFORE the Dillard photo.... And this makes sense because the barricade boxes are stacked differently and nobody could have moved them around in 30 seconds.....