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Title: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Lee Wotton on January 11, 2018, 10:45:58 AM
Ralph Geb, Malcolm Wallace's high school friend.  The photos in the link below of Geb are taken approx 25 years before the MC Oswald imposter.

Regarding Ralph Geb in my opinion he was never intended to look like Oswald merely create  paper trail with accomplices in MC as par of the framing of Oswald.

The CIA never intended issuing the embassy photographs of the MC mystery man because they knew it wasn't Oswald.  However, the FBI sent them under pressure from the Ambassador.  Released files state how regretful the CIA were that the photos had been entered into the chain of evidence by the FBI whilst under pressure.

Oswald was in MC but had been sent to deliver toxins to a contact to kill Castro.  However, this too was part of the plan to frame Oswald and actioned by David Atlee Philips aka Maurice Bishop.

Hoover was quick to report to LBJ that there was another Oswald imposter in MC to push the focus towards the CIA whom he hated.  Hoover couldn't do anything but cover things up as Oswald was taken off the FBI watch list just before the assassination when Hoover learned fully of the plot.  Also Angleton had blackmailed Hoover and Hoover great friends with LBJ would have been retired if JFK remained in power.



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Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 11, 2018, 01:14:59 PM
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Ralph Geb, Malcolm Wallace's high school friend.  The photos in the link below of Geb are taken approx 25 years before the MC Oswald imposter.

Regarding Ralph Geb in my opinion he was never intended to look like Oswald merely create  paper trail with accomplices in MC as par of the framing of Oswald.

The CIA never intended issuing the embassy photographs of the MC mystery man because they knew it wasn't Oswald.  However, the FBI sent them under pressure from the Ambassador.  Released files state how regretful the CIA were that the photos had been entered into the chain of evidence by the FBI whilst under pressure.

Oswald was in MC but had been sent to deliver toxins to a contact to kill Castro.  However, this too was part of the plan to frame Oswald and actioned by David Atlee Philips aka Maurice Bishop.

Hoover was quick to report to LBJ that there was another Oswald imposter in MC to push the focus towards the CIA whom he hated.  Hoover couldn't do anything but cover things up as Oswald was taken off the FBI watch list just before the assassination when Hoover learned fully of the plot.  Also Angleton had blackmailed Hoover and Hoover great friends with LBJ would have been retired if JFK remained in power.



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I believe you've presented a information "in a nutshell".....   Can you fill it in a bit?

Notice that the photos of "Mystery Man" were taken when he was wearing different clothes...and a different locations...
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Lee Wotton on January 11, 2018, 02:15:27 PM
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I believe you've presented a information "in a nutshell".....   Can you fill it in a bit?

Notice that the photos of "Mystery Man" were taken when he was wearing different clothes...and a different locations...

Hello Walt, The photos came from he book Men on the 6th Floor.  A classmate of Mac Wallace and Ralph Geb identified the MC mystery man photo as Ralph Geb.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 11, 2018, 03:37:22 PM
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Hello Walt, The photos came from he book Men on the 6th Floor.  A classmate of Mac Wallace and Ralph Geb identified the MC mystery man photo as Ralph Geb.

The photo of Geb that was taken many years prior to the Mexico City photo......  is inconclusive. 

But WHO  is Ralph Geb??..... Was he an FBI asset?    or connected with any organization?
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Lee Wotton on January 11, 2018, 05:04:43 PM
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The photo of Geb that was taken many years prior to the Mexico City photo......  is inconclusive. 

But WHO  is Ralph Geb??..... Was he an FBI asset?    or connected with any organization?

As far as I know Ralph Geb is the only firm identification of MC Man apart I think from a Russian but even the CIA stated he was American.  Yes the photos of Geb are 25 years before the MC photos.  My theory is that Oswald was sent to MC as part of his sheep dipping / frame up whist he thought he was doing his bit to kill Castro for the Government.

Yes the photo is inconclusive but its a recorded identification with links back through Mac Wallace to the Skull and Bones Society at Yale and there is a likeness in the eyes and mouth.  Also Geb's earlier photo shows his potential to gain weight!!

Any role in MC was a minor one in terms of what an imposter had to do.  Just lay a trail of paperwork.  No similarity to Oswald required.

The conspiracy needed something far more deep rooted than just all working for an agency.  A secret society suits it perfectly.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Tom Scully on January 11, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
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Ralph Geb, Malcolm Wallace's high school friend.  The photos in the link below of Geb are taken approx 25 years before the MC Oswald imposter.

Regarding Ralph Geb in my opinion he was never intended to look like Oswald merely create  paper trail with accomplices in MC as par of the framing of Oswald.

The CIA never intended issuing the embassy photographs of the MC mystery man because they knew it wasn't Oswald.  However, the FBI sent them under pressure from the Ambassador.  Released files state how regretful the CIA were that the photos had been entered into the chain of evidence by the FBI whilst under pressure.

Oswald was in MC but had been sent to deliver toxins to a contact to kill Castro.  However, this too was part of the plan to frame Oswald and actioned by David Atlee Philips aka Maurice Bishop.

Hoover was quick to report to LBJ that there was another Oswald imposter in MC to push the focus towards the CIA whom he hated.  Hoover couldn't do anything but cover things up as Oswald was taken off the FBI watch list just before the assassination when Hoover learned fully of the plot.  Also Angleton had blackmailed Hoover and Hoover great friends with LBJ would have been retired if JFK remained in power.

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I am just not feeling it..... Lee, is the Mac Wallace association driving your enthusiasm? It can't be photo evidence or one book I know
of mentioning Geb. What else have you got? You minimized the problem of Geb being 20 years older than Oswald.

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https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=145503&relPageId=54&search=kimsey_and%20mexico

Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Tom Scully on January 11, 2018, 09:07:46 PM
A priest and two colonels, one an suspected assassin of JFK?

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Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on January 11, 2018, 09:40:20 PM
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As far as I know Ralph Geb is the only firm identification of MC Man apart I think from a Russian but even the CIA stated he was American.  Yes the photos of Geb are 25 years before the MC photos.  My theory is that Oswald was sent to MC as part of his sheep dipping / frame up whist he thought he was doing his bit to kill Castro for the Government.

Yes the photo is inconclusive but its a recorded identification with links back through Mac Wallace to the Skull and Bones Society at Yale and there is a likeness in the eyes and mouth.  Also Geb's earlier photo shows his potential to gain weight!!

Any role in MC was a minor one in terms of what an imposter had to do.  Just lay a trail of paperwork.  No similarity to Oswald required.

The conspiracy needed something far more deep rooted than just all working for an agency.  A secret society suits it perfectly.
Lee....Based on Tom Scully's post you may have the wrong Gebs as Mystery Man..... A persons ears never change and Mystery Man looks more like Fred Gebs than Ralph Gebs.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Tom Scully on January 11, 2018, 11:00:47 PM
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Ralph Norbert Geb - 1937
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: John Iacoletti on January 11, 2018, 11:28:06 PM
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A persons ears never change

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Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Lee Wotton on January 15, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
In 1978 during the HSCA Anne Goodpasture confirmed that "Oswald" visited the embassies 5 times and consequently the photo surveillance missed photographing him 10 times.  She also concludes that the audio tape of "Oswald" was identical to Oswald's voice as sent from Washington immediately after the assassination.  See my other post on Anne Goodpasture for citation.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Tim Nickerson on March 06, 2018, 04:27:01 AM
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In 1978 during the HSCA Anne Goodpasture confirmed that "Oswald" visited the embassies 5 times and consequently the photo surveillance missed photographing him 10 times.  She also concludes that the audio tape of "Oswald" was identical to Oswald's voice as sent from Washington immediately after the assassination.  See my other post on Anne Goodpasture for citation.

Let's hear the audio tape.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on March 06, 2018, 02:39:54 PM
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Let's hear the audio tape.

Goodpasture stated in her testimony that she did not know whether there was any comparison made of Oswald's voice with any tapes.

Goodpasture (pg. 18): "I don't know whether someone took those transcripts [of Oswald's calls] to the transcriber and asked him if it was the same person or if he may have had copies of that tape remaining at that time but you would have to ask him about that."

Boris Tarasoff (code name Feinglass) was the CIA transcriber of the calls to the Soviet Embassy. He testified that he made no voice comparison of Oswald with any tapes. As I understand it, Oswald made no calls to the Cuban consulate. He only made calls to the Soviet Embassy.

Granted, that doesn't mean someone else made a voice comparison. Goodpasture just specifically mentions the transcriber (Tarasoff) but, I suppose one could have been done by others. But nowhere in her testimony, as far as I can tell, does she say one was done.

Additionally, as I understand the evidence, Oswald visited the consulates/embassy multiple times on Saturday. There was no photographic coverage of the consulates on weekends. He went to the Soviet consulate embassy once on Friday - after visiting the Cuban consulate first - and visited the Cuban consulate twice.

The Lopez report and AARB investigation determined that there were no photos taken of Oswald on Friday.

Oleg Nechiporenko, the KGB officer who met Oswald at the Embassy over two days (and said it was indeed Lee Oswald), wrote in his book that the mystery man in the photos was a "former American serviceman" and that he talked to the man several times. Tarasoff was shown the photos and said it looked a person he knew by the name of "Andreeyev". Not exactly an American name <g>.

Here is Goodpasture's testimony to the HSCA:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=126&search=Goodpasture#relPageId=4&tab=page

Boris Tarasoff and his wife, who also translated tapes, were interviewed here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=258&search=Tarasoff#relPageId=37&tab=page
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 06, 2019, 04:17:05 AM
The unidentified big guy in the white T shirt with Roscoe White [hands on hips] resembles Mex City Oswald....
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Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 06, 2019, 05:06:09 AM
Another Wallyburger hallucination: 'Ears never change'

LOL

Waldo, listen up: Because of the pull of gravity, earlobes stretch down over time.
You can look it up.

Look at old (100 years) Kirk Douglas's lobes
They practically reach his jawline.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on February 06, 2019, 08:44:48 PM
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The unidentified big guy in the white T shirt with Roscoe White [hands on hips] resembles Mex City Oswald....
(http://spartacus-educational.com/DPD15.jpg) (http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldClaudeCapehartCrop.jpg)
The Soviet embassy officials/KGB agents were shown the photos of the "mysterious" person and all said the man in the photos was not the person they met over two days who said he was Lee Harvey Oswald. They said the man they met was indeed the Lee Harvey Oswald accused of shooting JFK.

Furthermore, the photos that the CIA released were of a man who was photographed entering the Embassy on Monday. There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone calling himself Oswald - or even the real Oswald - visited the Embassy on Monday.

The CIA screwed up. They thought Oswald visited the Embassy on Monday. Then they - Anne Goodpasture admitted to being the person - reviewed some photos and thought this was a possible candidate. As is obvious that's not even close to resembling Oswald.

And to add: the Lopez Report done for the HSCA stated that the person in the photos was identified as a Soviet KGB officer by the name of: Yuri Ivanovitch Moskalev. However, the report says this was based on just one (unnamed) source.
Source for this is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=799&relPageId=192&search=Ivanovitch_Moskalev

In my view, this is a non-story.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 07, 2019, 04:40:23 AM
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The Soviet embassy officials/KGB agents were shown the photos of the "mysterious" person and all said the man in the photos was not the person they met over two days who said he was Lee Harvey Oswald. They said the man they met was indeed the Lee Harvey Oswald accused of shooting JFK.

Furthermore, the photos that the CIA released were of a man who was photographed entering the Embassy on Monday. There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone calling himself Oswald - or even the real Oswald - visited the Embassy on Monday.

The CIA screwed up. They thought Oswald visited the Embassy on Monday. Then they - Anne Goodpasture admitted to being the person - reviewed some photos and thought this was a possible candidate. As is obvious that's not even close to resembling Oswald.

In my view, this is a non-story.

Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

KGB boys Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov, and Nikolai Leonov (whose calling card was in Castro's wallet when he and Che were arrested in Mexico City in 1956) did not meet with anyone related to the 11/22/63 assassination at the Soviet diplomatic compound on Friday September 27, Saturday September 28, or (contrary to what Leonov said a few years ago) on Sunday September 29.

Neither did Duran, Azcue, or Mirabal meet with anybody like that at the Cuban Consulate, except, of course, with the aforementioned Leonov, who provided them with a passport-sized photo of Oswald (that had been taken in the USSR), and who told them what to do and say (with Castro's authorization, of course).

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on February 07, 2019, 03:26:40 PM
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Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

KGB boys Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov, and Nikolai Leonov (whose calling card was in Castro's wallet when he and Che were arrested in Mexico City in 1956) did not meet with anyone related to the 11/22/63 assassination at the Soviet diplomatic compound on Friday September 27, Saturday September 28, or (contrary to what Leonov said a few years ago) on Sunday September 29.

Neither did Duran, Azcue, or Mirabal meet with anybody like that at the Cuban Consulate, except, of course, with the aforementioned Leonov, who provided them with a passport-sized photo of Oswald (that had been taken in the USSR), and who told them what to do and say (with Castro's authorization, of course).

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Then, in your view, the photos are faked, the signatures are faked, the eyewitnesses (Cuban, Soviet, Mexican, American) who saw a person they say was Oswald were wrong, the letter Oswald typed to the Soviets was faked, the draft note for that letter that he wrote (the handwriting was identified as him) was faked, the details in the note that only the real Oswald would know about were faked....and on and on.

That's a lot of fakery and falsification. And who did all of this? The KGB?

You are relying on one person's belief - Azcue's - that the person was not Oswald and then ignoring all of the counter evidence that indicates it was Oswald.

That's not how I evaluate evidence but you're certainly welcome to chart a different course.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 04:12:19 AM
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Then, in your view, the photos are faked, the signatures are faked, the eyewitnesses (Cuban, Soviet, Mexican, American) who saw a person they say was Oswald were wrong, the letter Oswald typed to the Soviets was faked, the draft note for that letter that he wrote (the handwriting was identified as him) was faked, the details in the note that only the real Oswald would know about were faked....and on and on.

That's a lot of fakery and falsification. And who did all of this? The KGB?

You are relying on one person's belief - Azcue's - that the person was not Oswald and then ignoring all of the counter evidence that indicates it was Oswald.

That's not how I evaluate evidence but you're certainly welcome to chart a different course.

Steve M. Galbraith,

I think the passport-sized photo of Oswald that was attached to the Cuban visa application was taken in the USSR (fwiw, we know that he often wore that sweater vest there for "dress up" social occasions), so it's a little unfair for you to claim that I think the photo was "faked".

The people in MC who claimed they'd dealt with Oswald weren't wrong, Steve, they were lying. (There is a difference.)

If, as I contend, Oswald's alleged visits to the Cuban and Soviet consulates were fabrications out of whole cloth by the KGB and the DGI, then why wouldn't they be able to embellish the narrative (e.g., the Kostin Letter) any way they saw fit in an attempt to make said narrative seem more plausible?

All of the counter-evidence to which you allude (even Leonov's claimed "meeting one-on-one with Oswald at the Soviet Embassy on Sunday, September 29" !!!) paint the man-who-was-not-there (Oswald) as an unstable and potentially violent young man, someone who was fully capable of assassinating an American president, and thereby serve to augment the WW III Virus which was created by KGB triple-agent Aleksei Kulak and planted in Oswald's CIA file by KGB triple-agent Ivan Obyedkov and a Russian Oswald impostor (probably KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov)
over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on Tuesday, October 1.

Although Sylvia Duran claimed that she'd dealt with real-deal Lee Harvey Oswald, she described the guy she'd dealt with as being "about the same height" as her (she was 5' 3.5" whereas Oswald was 5' 9.5"), and not only having blond hair and blue or green eyes, but as also having "an elongated(read very thin) face" to boot, so she isn't describing Oswald here, but KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy   :)

Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 06:33:46 PM
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Steve M. Galbraith,

I think the passport-sized photo of Oswald that was attached to the Cuban visa application was taken in the USSR (fwiw, we know that he often wore that sweater vest there for "dress up" social occasions), so it's a little unfair for you to claim that I think the photo was "faked".

The people in MC who claimed they'd dealt with Oswald weren't wrong, Steve, they were lying. (There is a difference.)

If, as I contend, Oswald's alleged visits to the Cuban and Soviet consulates were fabrications out of whole cloth by the KGB and the DGI, then why wouldn't they be able to embellish the narrative (e.g., the Kostin Letter) any way they saw fit in an attempt to make said narrative seem more plausible?

All of the counter-evidence to which you allude (even Leonov's claimed "meeting one-on-one with Oswald at the Soviet Embassy on Sunday, September 29" !!!) paint the man-who-was-not-there (Oswald) as an unstable and potentially violent young man, someone who was fully capable of assassinating an American president, and thereby serve to augment the WW III Virus which was created by KGB triple-agent Aleksei Kulak and planted in Oswald's CIA file by KGB triple-agent Ivan Obyedkov and a Russian Oswald impostor (probably KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov)
over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on Tuesday, October 1.

Although Sylvia Duran claimed that she'd dealt with real-deal Lee Harvey Oswald, she described the guy she'd dealt with as being "about the same height" as her (she was 5' 3.5" whereas Oswald was 5' 9.5"), and not only having blond hair and blue or green eyes, but as also having "an elongated(read very thin) face" to boot, so she isn't describing Oswald here, but KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy   :)

Hey Mudd.... There were others who saw Lee Oswald at the Cuban Embassy.... Do you recall how they described the man??
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 07:27:14 PM
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Hey Mudd.... There were others who saw Lee Oswald at the Cuban Embassy.... Do you recall how they described the man??

Dear Walter,

Why don't you tell us who they were and what they said?

Did what they say tend to implicate the evil, evil, evil CIA in the assassination?

That Oswald did the foul deed all by him widdle self?

That the nice, nice, nice KGB and DGI had nothing to do with it? (If that's the message that was portrayed by these "witnesses," then I can imagine the Armegeddon-fearing CIA's and the egg-on-face fearing FBI's somehow arranging that WW III-avoiding narrative.)

What?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2019, 07:39:53 PM
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Dear Walter,

Why don't you tell us who they were and what they said?

Did what they say tend to implicate the evil, evil, evil CIA in the assassination?

That Oswald did the foul deed all by him widdle self?

That the nice, nice, nice KGB and DGI had nothing to do with it? (If that's the message that was portrayed by these "witnesses," then I can imagine the Armegeddon-fearing CIA's and the egg-on-face fearing FBI's somehow arranging that WW III-avoiding narrative.)

What?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Why don't you tell us who they were and what they said?   How silly!.....   Why would you want me to tell you something that you've known for years ?....
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 08, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
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Why don't you tell us who they were and what they said?   How silly!.....   Why would you want me to tell you something that you've known for years ?....

Dear Walter,

Maybe I've forgotten (I have), and maybe the other members and guests currently reading this thread would also like to know what the heck you're talking about.

That's why.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 09, 2019, 10:26:31 PM
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Dear Walter,

Maybe I've forgotten (I have), and maybe the other members and guests currently reading this thread would also like to know what the heck you're talking about.

That's why.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
One of the men who saw Lee Oswald at the Cuban Embassy was named ......Alvarado .... 
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 09, 2019, 10:51:58 PM
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One of the men who saw Lee Oswald at the Cuban Embassy was named ......Alvarado ....

Dear Walter,

Alvarado saw Oswald at the Cuban Embassy, or he claimed to have seen him there?

Was he standing so close to the "red-haired Negro" Cuban and Oswald that he could actually count the $6,500 the dude allegedly gave Oswald?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Regardless, you do realize that Duran, Azcue, and Mirabal worked in the Cuban Consulate, not the Cuban Embassy, right?
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 10, 2019, 01:06:35 AM
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Dear Walter,

Alvarado saw Oswald at the Cuban Embassy, or he claimed to have seen him there?

Was he standing so close to the "red-haired Negro" Cuban and Oswald that he could actually count the $6,500 the dude allegedly gave Oswald?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Regardless, you do realize that Duran, Azcue, and Mirabal worked in the Cuban Consulate, not the Cuban Embassy, right?

Turns out that Alvarado was on the CIA payroll....   But I don't believe Azcue was.....
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 10, 2019, 02:03:33 AM
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Turns out that Alvarado was on the CIA payroll....   But I don't believe Azcue was.....

Dear Walter,

Are you sure about the Nicaraguan intelligence agent, Alvarado?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 10, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
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Dear Walter,

Are you sure about the Nicaraguan intelligence agent, Alvarado?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Who can be sure about any intelligence agent???    But, Yes I do believe he was on the CIA payroll.
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 10, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
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Who can be sure about any intelligence agent???    But, Yes I do believe he was on the CIA payroll.

Dear Walter,

Do you have a rational reason for believing so?

Regardless, do you believe that Nikolai Leonov, the short, blond, very thin-faced "Third Secretary/Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet Embassy who provided Sylvia Duran with a passport-sized photo of Oswald taken in the USSR (and who probably impersonated Oswald over the phone on 10/01/63), was also in the employ of the evil, evil, evil CIA?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 10, 2019, 10:32:58 PM
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Dear Walter,

Do you have a rational reason for believing so?

Regardless, do you believe that Nikolai Leonov, the short, blond, very thin-faced "Third Secretary/Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet Embassy who provided Sylvia Duran with a passport-sized photo of Oswald taken in the USSR (and who probably impersonated Oswald over the phone on 10/01/63), was also in the employ of the evil, evil, evil CIA?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

The FBI had determined that Alvarado  was a CIA agent ......
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 12:19:40 AM
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The FBI had determined that Alvarado  was a CIA agent ......

Dear Walter,

Oh, the FBI, huh?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Care to share your sources with us?  Maybe you can find something in here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Gilberto_Alvarado_Allegation.html

Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 07:30:35 PM
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Dear Walter,

Oh, the FBI, huh?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Care to share your sources with us?  Maybe you can find something in here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Gilberto_Alvarado_Allegation.html

Thank you Mud.... this link to the Mary Ferrell site, presents an excellent example of the pros and cons about the Alvarado story....
If Alvarado actually saw a man who looked like Lee Oswald receive a bundle of money from a red headed Negro, then it's highly doubtful that the man who received the money was Lee Oswald.   However that still leaves Silvia Duran, Eusebio Azcue,  Luisa Calderon, and Alfredo Mirabal.... Duran we know, swore that the man she talked to on Friday September 27, was Lee Oswald

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Gilberto_Alvarado_Allegation.html
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 11, 2019, 08:58:31 PM
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Thank you Mud.... this link to the Mary Ferrell site, presents an excellent example of the pros and cons about the Alvarado story....
If Alvarado actually saw a man who looked like Lee Oswald receive a bundle of money from a red headed Negro, then it's highly doubtful that the man who received the money was Lee Oswald.   However that still leaves Silvia Duran, Eusebio Azcue,  Luisa Calderon, and Alfredo Mirabal.... Duran we know, swore that the man she talked to on Friday September 27, was Lee Oswald

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Gilberto_Alvarado_Allegation.html

Dear Walter,

All of whom were pro-Castro, right?

And certain to do whatever Castro's buttbuddy, KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (who turned Raul and Che onto Communism in 1955, and whose calling card was found in Castro's wallet when he and Che were arrested in Mexico City in 1956), told them to do and say, right, especially if he was authorized by Castro to do so?

Or what the DGI directly told them to do and say, right?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Got any theories as to why Duran and Azcue described The Man Who Was Not There (Oswald) in such a way as to point a guilty finger at KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov?

You know, "short, skinny, blue or green-eyed, blond, 35 years-old, very thin-faced, Prince of Wales suit-wearing" Nikolai Leonov, who last I heard was a "retired" KGB general and a pro-Putin member of Russia's Duma (congress).
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 11, 2019, 11:56:44 PM
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Dear Walter,

All of whom were pro-Castro, right?

And certain to do whatever Castro's buttbuddy, KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (who turned Raul and Che onto Communism in 1955, and whose calling card was found in Castro's wallet when he and Che were arrested in Mexico City in 1956), told them to do and say, right, especially if he was authorized by Castro to do so?

Or what the DGI directly told them to do and say, right?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Got any theories as to why Duran and Azcue described The Man Who Was Not There (Oswald) in such a way as to point a guilty finger at KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov?

You know, "short, skinny, blue or green-eyed, blond, 35 years-old, very thin-faced, Prince of Wales suit-wearing" Nikolai Leonov, who last I heard was a "retired" KGB general and a pro-Putin member of Russia's Duma (congress).

Why would The Cubans confirm that Lee Oswald was at the embassy and applied for a visa , WHICH THEY ISSUED.    Wouldn't that implicate Castro in the murder of JFK?
Title: Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
Post by: Thomas Graves on February 12, 2019, 12:20:50 AM
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Why would The Cubans confirm that Lee Oswald was at the embassy and applied for a visa , WHICH THEY ISSUED.    Wouldn't that implicate Castro in the murder of JFK?

Dear Walter,

Oswald was issued a Cuban visa at the Cuban Embassy, or at the Cuban Consulate?

They're different, you know.

Regardless, have you ever seen the Cuban visa you're alleging somebody gave Oswald in Mexico City, or just the Cuban visa application form which all of us have seen, with sweater vest and tie-wearing Oswald's taken-in-the-USSR passport-sized photo stapled to it?

Where is the "Cuban visa" today that you're talking about?

You really do seem to be full of misinformation and misconceptions, dude.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  If you've read Oswald and the CIA, you know what a WW III Virus is.

Just imagine that it was the KGB and the DGI instead of that evil, evil, evil James Angleton who planted it in Oswald's CIA file.

To ensure that all evidence of their complicity in the assassination, the KGB and the DGI wanted the CIA and the FBI to know that they had done it.