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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Matt Grantham on June 30, 2018, 05:27:58 PM
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When looking at some information on the thread regarding the Mauser I am running into some stuff regarding the suppose conspirators shooting teams
(1) The affidavit given the New Orleans D.A.'s office by Jim Hicks,
who admitted to functioning in Dealey Plaza as the radio communicator
between the firing teams. He told Jim Garrison that a communication
center for the conspirators had been set up in the Adolphus Hotel
several days prior to November 22. The Adolphus, several blocks east
of Dealey Plaza, was located directly across the street from Jack
Ruby's Carousel Club on Commerce Street. A Phil Willis photograph
taken seconds after the shooting shows Hicks with what he said was a
radio transmitter in his left rear pants pocket, and what appears to
be an S-shaped antenna hanging from inside his jacket. Shortly after
admitting his role to Garrison, Hicks was locked up in a military
hospital for the insane.
Denis
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Shooting teams with no physical or ballistic evidence to support inference?
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My initial intent was simply to try to get a grouping of the supposed shooting teams, but if we must jump ahead to physical evidence of other shooters there is this
Among the files released by the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) was an FBI evidence envelope (FBI Field Office Dallas 89-43-1A-122). Although the envelope was empty, the cover indicated it had contained a 7.65 mm rifle shell that had been found in Dealey Plaza after the shooting. The envelope is dated December 2,1963.
Other documents released by the ARRB discuss a Johnson semi-automatic 30.06 rifle that was apparently found in Dealey Plaza soon after the shooting. The documents strongly link this rifle to two men who have long been suspected of being involved in the assassination plot, Loran Hall and Jerry Patrick Hemming. This rifle was used in CIA-connected anti-Castro raids in Cuba. Loran Hall and an unidentified Hispanic man took the weapon about a week before the assassination. Hall?s associate, Jerry Hemming, is known to have been in Dallas on the day of the shooting, and Hall himself told Hathcock, the CA owner of the rifle, five days prior to the assassination that he had to catch a flight to Dallas (HSCA 180-10107-10440).
In 1975 a maintenance man named Morgan, while working on the roof of the County Records Building in Dealey Plaza, found a 30.06 shell casing lying under a lip of roofing tar at the base of the roof?s parapet on the side facing the plaza, according to his son, Dean Morgan. The shell casing is dated 1953 and marks on it indicate it was made at the Twin Cities Arsenal. One side of the casing has been pitted by exposure to the weather, suggesting that it was exposed on the roof for some time. The casing, which is still in Morgan?s possession, has an odd crimp around its neck (Marrs 317; Roberts 80-81).
A bullet apparently struck the south Main Street curb in Dealey Plaza during the shooting. It landed about 25 feet from James Tague (who was cut on the face by a concrete fragment), who was standing next to the triple underpass. The bullet made a visible scar in the curb, and the mark was immediately recognized by those who saw it as a fresh bullet mark.
Dallas policeman J. W. Foster, who was positioned on top of the triple underpass, saw a bullet strike the grass on the south side of Elm Street near a manhole cover, about 350 feet from the TSBD. He reported this to a superior officer and was instructed to guard the area (Shaw and Harris 72-75; Marrs 315).
An unidentified blond-haired man in a suit was photographed bending down, reaching out his left hand toward the dug-out point on the ground as if to pick up something, standing back up, apparently holding a small object in his hand, and then putting his hand in his pocket (Shaw and Harris 73-74). The hole made by the bullet was even photographed, and the picture appeared in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on 11/23/63. Contemporary press accounts reported that a bullet was retrieved from the dug-out hole in the grass near the manhole cover (Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Dallas Times Herald).
In the photos taken of this event, one can see Officer Foster and a civilian-clothed Deputy Sheriff Buddy Walthers standing over the spot where the bullet landed, along with the unidentified man in the suit. Dallas police chief Jesse Curry believed the man was an FBI agent. The identity of the blond-haired man is unknown, the recovered bullet was never entered into evidence, and its present whereabouts are not known.
Officer Foster also reported that a bullet struck the concrete part of the above-mentioned manhole cover (near where the bullet struck the grass). About two and a half hours after the shooting, Dealey Plaza witness John Martin came across the mark on the manhole cover concrete (Trask 573). Researchers have noted that the photo of the mark indicates it did NOT come from the TSBD, but that it does line up with the County Records Building (where a 30.06 rifle shell casing was years later found on the roof).
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I was not aware there is no record of the three tramps
While Wise and Bass were marching these men to the Sheriff's office, William Allen, George Smith, and Jack Beers of the Dallas Times Herald, the Fort Worth Star Telegram, and the Dallas Morning News, took several pictures of them. Their remarkable pictures show clearly that Wise and Bass took them to the Sheriff's office. Yet Harkness and Sheriff Harold Elkins couldn't remember that there were any other policemen with Harkness. This is utterly ridiculous in the face of so many clear pictures. Why was this done? And why weren't these amazing pictures shown to the Commission so that it could order the men before them. And worse still, there is absolutely no record anywhere that these men were booked that day. There are no "blotter" records at all. The men have simply vanished.
Separately
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/cast.htm
On Files biting the shell casing
When I saw the casing, I realized that it was just like Files said it would be....the end where you put the powder was oval and not round. There were marks or dents in the casing. Rademacher did not know what those marks where other than "ejection marks." Rademacher had no idea what they were.
I took the shell to five leading forensic odontologists who all concluded that the marks were consistent with human dentition. One of the top experts told me they were teeth marks, down to which teeth made them.
We have attempted to secure Files' dental records for match-up but have been stopped in every corner by the Bureau of Prisons, FBI, CIA, everyone.......
Bob Vernon
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Nothing you have presented is hard nor credible evidence. NONE of it can be tied directly to 11/22. In addition, if you want credibility, don?t mention James Files.
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James Files Let me know when you want to dispute something I have posted
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When looking at some information on the thread regarding the Mauser I am running into some stuff regarding the suppose conspirators shooting teams
(1) The affidavit given the New Orleans D.A.'s office by Jim Hicks,
who admitted to functioning in Dealey Plaza as the radio communicator
between the firing teams. He told Jim Garrison that a communication
center for the conspirators had been set up in the Adolphus Hotel
several days prior to November 22. The Adolphus, several blocks east
of Dealey Plaza, was located directly across the street from Jack
Ruby's Carousel Club on Commerce Street. A Phil Willis photograph
taken seconds after the shooting shows Hicks with what he said was a
radio transmitter in his left rear pants pocket, and what appears to
be an S-shaped antenna hanging from inside his jacket. Shortly after
admitting his role to Garrison, Hicks was locked up in a military
hospital for the insane.
Denis
Interesting, Denis.
I don't have anything on-topic to add, no shooters; but it has been my speculation that Ruby was running a wiretap operation out of the Carousel. This would include taps of lines to the Adolphus; where much intel could be learned, dirt could be dug-up on important people, and, indeed, links could be made from or to a command post in the hotel itself. There was a telephone company Central Office nearby; nowadays it sits on the former footprint of the Carousel. In case the reader does not know, a Telco Central Office is where all of the copper wires that served a city, or a section thereof, would be run to.
Denis, Do you have more information on Jim Hicks, or alink?
And, for the record
James Files
James Files
James Files
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A Phil Willis photograph
taken seconds after the shooting shows Hicks with what he said was a
radio transmitter in his left rear pants pocket, and what appears to
be an S-shaped antenna hanging from inside his jacket
I have seen this photo online but was unable to post it, so if anyone has the inclination to post it would be appreciated
For those who dismiss Files for reasons unstated please explain this
Files further claims he left the shell casing of the bullet he fired on Dealey Plaza after he had bitten down on it. This was a habit of him for he liked the feel of a warm bullet and the taste of gun powder. In 1987 a .222 caliber shell casing was found with a metal detector on the grassy knoll, buried 3 inches in the ground. When Files was informed of this, he said that if it was his shell, the open end would be oval for he had put his teeth in it. As the casing had indeed an indentation of which nobody had known the cause, the casing was then examined by noted orthodontologists who verified that the indent had been caused by human teeth.
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Jim Hicks' testimony to Garrison is all over the place and quite confusing.
Firstly, his real name was James (shortened to Jim) Hicks. Secondly, he lied to Garrison about where he was stood during the assassination.
Hicks' starting position during the assassination was on the corner of Elm opposite the TSBDB. As seen in Dorman film.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ux1qn35nl/hicks_posted.jpg)
Interesting to me, Life magazine first published the Elsie Dorman film in 1967. Just three frames (neither showing Hicks) below
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5uulwnugx/94d35b52feb71690498e5f34bfa1fd55.jpg)
Garrison's case insider Thomas Bethell notes in his diary James [Jim] Hicks was not telling the truth. He spotted the inconsistency with which side of the road Hicks was on. Hicks came to Garrison in sept 1967.
Sept 14 1967: Earlier on, (about a month ago,) a guy called Jim Hicks had come to see Garrison in his office one Saturday afternoon. He said he had been in Dealey Plaza when JFK was shot, although I recall he had 2 versions as to which side of the street he was on. This evening Garrison told us that Hicks has a drunken driving rap hanging over his head. He now wants us to write to the D.A. in Oklahoma to get him off. This is obviously the explanation of Hicks' visit.
Seems to me Hicks was either put up to going to Garrison with his statement because the Dorman film was being released and it might eventually identify him being on the corner of Elm. Or, Hicks got scared and went about trying to come clean, of sorts, to Garrison. But just told a pack of lies to confuse Garrison by using Karan Hicks' testimony to the WC as his own.
If you look at Karan Hicks' statement used as testimony in WC she is strangely named as ''Mrs. James Daniel [Karan] Hicks. She is using James (Jim) Hicks name, weird?? I've not found James (Jim) Hicks details but it would be interesting to know his real middle name. Probably Daniel.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/50cnolh7l/Karan.png)
What interests me is that Fletcher Prouty seemed to identify Hicks as being involved. Prouty seemed certain of his role, as communications guy, which makes me think Prouty knew Jim Hicks. Prouty never ever fully revealing Hicks' cover.
Either way Hicks walked down Elm towards the overpass. As seen in Skaggs 6 and Willis 7. Hicks told Garrison he ran down towards the underpass. He doesn't appear to be running. Not at all.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/n4b2vhpi9/combined.jpg)
Hicks talks to Garrison as though he was standing on the North side of Elm. Near to the Stemmons sign. (Which is where Karan Hicks testified to Warren Commission that she stood!)
From Hicks' testimony to Garrison appearing before the Orleans Parish Grand Jury on January 11, 1968
Q. How many different areas did you hear shots coming
from?
A. At least two.
Q. At least two you mean besides the direction of the Depository?
A.Like I say, I don't know about this up here, I didn't hear any shots come from up there, the ones I heard
came from here and here (pointing) -- Pointing to knoll
JUROR:
Q. You saw the President when he fell?
A. Yes.
Q. You were that close? About how far?
A. Approximately in here. I would say about 50 feet at the most.
The corner of Elm where Jim Hicks was positioned is roughly 60m/190ft + from where the headshot happened
In this article Dallas [possibly Morning] Herald, dated 07.29.1969 Hicks stated ''a shot came over his head from the grassy knoll''
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ga0s5qzf5/Box-150-_File-8-2-10.jpg)
Going back to whether Hicks was volunteering his information to Garrison or was put up to it. When you take into account the event the night before Hicks gave his statement to Garrison two men broke into his hotel room and physically attacked him, attempting to throw him from the 6th floor window ... I conclude -- Hicks went rogue.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/uj50135r5/Jim_Hicks1.png)
MR. GARRISON : Jim, a few minutes ago you said you were extremely
nervous and I thought I would point out at the outset
that I am not going to try and trap you in any way
and neither are the Grand Jury, they are just interested
in having the benefit of what you remember. You were
at Dealy Plaza when the assassination occurred and none
of us were. You are not a target of the office in any
sense and we are interested in having the benefit of
your recollections. So if you relax and tell us when
you arrived on the scene, what you saw, and everything
you can remember, and what I am going to do is turn you
loose so you can tell it in a narrative way rather
than ask you a lot of questions. Tell us of when you
first arrived there, when you first noticed things
happening, et cetera. Just tell us about it.
And it's been alleged that Hicks was 'treated' at a mental hospital not long after giving his testimony to Garrison. He was supposedly released in 1988, dying shortly after.
Hicks was from Enid, Oklahoma. Another name sometimes mentioned in the assassination of JFK is Loy Factor, from Tishomingo, Oklahoma. Just 215 miles apart.
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Thanks Robert Very helpful, I do not know that much about the Garrison trial other than the general story. But I assume that these are many of the names that came up in the Garrison Trial
The conspiracy to assassinate John Kennedy began in a series of discussions held in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. The men in the discussions were extremely angry that Kennedy had stopped plans and preparations for another invasion of Cuba (scheduled for the latter part of 1963.) One of the instigators was David Ferrie, a CIA contract agent who had been training pilots in Guatemala for the invasion. Meetings held in Ferrie's apartment in New Orleans were attended by Clay Shaw, William Seymour and several Cubans. Plans for assassinating President Kennedy developed out of those early meetings. Others whose support was sought by the group included Guy Banister, Major L. M. Bloomfield, Loran Hall, Lawrence Howard, Sergio Arcacha Smith and Carlos Prio Socarras.
But as far as I understand Garrison never suggested any actual gunmen We would assume this group did contract with at least a couple of gunmen Though I guess Seymour, and one of the last two names was a possible gunmen Is there any information that links this group to the aforementioned group that I will recapitulate again below If I recall at some point this group was associated with a t least two of the anti -Castro Cubans whose names are not at the tip of my mouse
Joe Granata
Former member of the Chicago crime family and close associate of Charles Nicoletti. Now a reliable FBI informant in the witness protection program. Located by investigator Zack Shelton after being tipped by a collegue FBI agent, Granata verified that Nicoletti confided to him that he (Nicoletti) , Marshall Caifano, Johnny Roselli and James Files were the hitteam on Dealey Plaza. "We blew his brains out".
I also went looking for a list of top suspected JFK conspiracy gunmen but couldn't find much Some of the names I am familiar with Mac Wallace, Roscoe White, a French Corsican guy, etc
Tropicante is often mentioned along with Marcello as being organizers of a possible assassin team Would we necessarily conclude this is the same group as Giancana's?
And then there is Penn Jones and the military hit team
I am sure there are others
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And then there is Penn Jones and the military hit team
Would that be Penn Jones Jr. who compiled a list of 150 people who he claimed died in mysterious circumstances as a result of their connection in one way or another to the assassination? Is so he was a con man or a nutter depending on how generous you wish to be. A simple check is all it takes.
Interestingly Jones lived to the ripe old age of 83 which was rather fortunate for a man who created such hell for those involved in a coverup that were prepared to stage car crashes, heart attacks, falls etc to silence witnesses who had already provided statements to authorities.
If you are referring to a different Penn Jones then I apologise for the distraction but do keep any eye out for the other one as he's really dodgy.
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A Phil Willis photograph
taken seconds after the shooting shows Hicks with what he said was a
radio transmitter in his left rear pants pocket, and what appears to
be an S-shaped antenna hanging from inside his jacket
I have seen this photo online but was unable to post it, so if anyone has the inclination to post it would be appreciated
For those who dismiss Files for reasons unstated please explain this
Files further claims he left the shell casing of the bullet he fired on Dealey Plaza after he had bitten down on it. This was a habit of him for he liked the feel of a warm bullet and the taste of gun powder. In 1987 a .222 caliber shell casing was found with a metal detector on the grassy knoll, buried 3 inches in the ground. When Files was informed of this, he said that if it was his shell, the open end would be oval for he had put his teeth in it. As the casing had indeed an indentation of which nobody had known the cause, the casing was then examined by noted orthodontologists who verified that the indent had been caused by human teeth.
Mat, as you've already been told the casing (shell) was proved to have been made in 1971. It's well known in the JFK community that hoaxes are always burying shells in Dealey Plaza, it's a joke, a kind of tradition. I'm really getting the impression that you read something on the internet or more likely watch something on UTUBE and immediately post it!! Why not do at least a little research first.
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Mat, as you've already been told the casing (shell) was proved to have been made in 1971. It's well known in the JFK community that hoaxes are always burying shells in Dealey Plaza, it's a joke, a kind of tradition. I'm really getting the impression that you read something on the internet or more likely watch something on UTUBE and immediately post it!! Why not do at least a little research first.
No doubt there is truth to what you say, I would not say I read something and post it without either checking it a bit or am just struck by it as valid in some intuitive manner I do accept the criticism I do not do the background many of you do, sand am guilty as charged to a degree of superficiality in my posting, I will offer a few responses as to why Many of you will often correct me or point me in the direction of better evidence once a subject is broached Perhaps that is lazy on my part and cumbersome for some of you My posting is likely to slow down if not come to a total stop once my health returns a little bit, and I get back to working on my site on local economics issues So perhaps pardon some of my lack of thoroughness a bit longer The second part of the answer is I find it incredibly tedious to try to penetrate some of these issues in a deeper manner at least with Google searched or going to a select few sites
As far as the ,222 shell Dave Perry concludes the shells in question did go back to 63 and he seems like a middle of the road if not an LN guy from what I can tell
So I am going to cop that I am really no more than an internet guy who does more than just a single search and a post
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Would that be Penn Jones Jr. who compiled a list of 150 people who he claimed died in mysterious circumstances as a result of their connection in one way or another to the assassination? Is so he was a con man or a nutter depending on how generous you wish to be. A simple check is all it takes.
Interestingly Jones lived to the ripe old age of 83 which was rather fortunate for a man who created such hell for those involved in a coverup that were prepared to stage car crashes, heart attacks, falls etc to silence witnesses who had already provided statements to authorities.
If you are referring to a different Penn Jones then I apologies for the distraction but do keep any eye out for the other one as he's really dodgy.
Pretty sure you have the right Penn Jones I don't know much about his list of mysterious deaths but he may be the guy who lists 130 some odd As to his theory it seems, from what I can see, his claims of military hit squad is not well supported but I was just trying to list the leading or best known theories within reasonable limits Perhaps his does not belong in there, but it made on because it was different than the others but had at least a plausible group thqat he was indicting
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No doubt there is truth to what you say, I would not say I read something and post it without either checking it a bit or am just struck by it as valid in some intuitive manner I do accept the criticism I do not do the background many of you do, sand am guilty as charged to a degree of superficiality in my posting, I will offer a few responses as to why Many of you will often correct me or point me in the direction of better evidence once a subject is broached Perhaps that is lazy on my part and cumbersome for some of you My posting is likely to slow down if not come to a total stop once my health returns a little bit, and I get back to working on my site on local economics issues So perhaps pardon some of my lack of thoroughness a bit longer The second part of the answer is I find it incredibly tedious to try to penetrate some of these issues in a deeper manner at least with Google searched or going to a select few sites
As far as the ,222 shell Dave Perry concludes the shells in question did go back to 63 and he seems like a middle of the road if not an LN guy from what I can tell
So I am going to cop that I am really no more than an internet guy who does more than just a single search and a post
http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Headstamp/
http://jamesfilesfraud.com/letter-exposing-wim-dankbaar/
http://dperry1943.com/cartridge.html
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Regarding your remark about telco COs...Not exactly. A telephone company Central Office is a place where (on the Main Frame) all of the local users' telephones "appear." When you pick up your phone, you are now at the Main Frame, and the dial tone tells you that the "Line Equipment" (LE) is now available. If you had no connection to the CO, you would find it impossible to make a phone call. EVERYTHING goes via the CO in your community. And, when you dial (or use the number pad) a number, you go through two selectors and one connector as the call is routed to the correct incoming line (in the same office).
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Pretty sure you have the right Penn Jones I don't know much about his list of mysterious deaths but he may be the guy who lists 130 some odd As to his theory it seems, from what I can see, his claims of military hit squad is not well supported but I was just trying to list the leading or best known theories within reasonable limits Perhaps his does not belong in there, but it made on because it was different than the others but had at least a plausible group thqat he was indicting
Penn Jones
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Jones_Jr.
[Excerpt]
'Jones was known for being an early critic of the Warren Commission's report on the assassination of John F. Kennedy and for alleging that 150 people connected to the assassination may have died under mysterious circumstances. In 1967, he self-published Forgive My Grief, a four-volume work on the assassination of President Kennedy.[1][6] In the 1980s, Jones co-edited The Continuing Inquiry newsletter with Gary Mack of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.[1]
In 1981, Jones stated that he believed nine men, flown into Dallas from Oklahoma, each fired one bullet at Kennedy.[7] He said the fatal headshot to Kennedy was fired from a manhole on Elm Street in Dealey Plaza.[8]
LOL
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http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Headstamp/
http://jamesfilesfraud.com/letter-exposing-wim-dankbaar/
http://dperry1943.com/cartridge.html
I appreciate the links, but voila just another morass of confusion A Remington employee is now wrong about what he told Vernon We learn that information about bullet production is a closely guarded secret between police and manufacturers And then we still end up with this equivocation
The information provided by Mr. Steinhauer -- at odds with that of White and Munhall (Fig. 3) -- indicates that the Rademacher cartridge cases could have been manufactured prior to November 1963. However, if the short dash shown by Steinhauer on the R-P cases in Fig. 4 has been used for the past 46 years, it begs the question of how Mr. Dankbaar would know from the headstamp on the dented Rademacher cartridge case that it dates from before 1971 (rather than 1971 or after 1971
And then the 'resolution' document according to Perry comes from a trash vcan/
Don't get me wrong I think it is asinine that Vernon or Dankbaar or whoever is running JFKmurdersolved does not even mention the controversy is absolute BS
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Penn Jones
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Jones_Jr.
[Excerpt]
'Jones was known for being an early critic of the Warren Commission's report on the assassination of John F. Kennedy and for alleging that 150 people connected to the assassination may have died under mysterious circumstances. In 1967, he self-published Forgive My Grief, a four-volume work on the assassination of President Kennedy.[1][6] In the 1980s, Jones co-edited The Continuing Inquiry newsletter with Gary Mack of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.[1]
In 1981, Jones stated that he believed nine men, flown into Dallas from Oklahoma, each fired one bullet at Kennedy.[7] He said the fatal headshot to Kennedy was fired from a manhole on Elm Street in Dealey Plaza.[8]
LOL
Yep, like I said, 150 mysterious deaths and counting. Consider the case of Hale Boggs. Penn Jones says:
Boggs was the only member of the Warren Commission who disagreed with the conclusions. Hale Boggs did not follow Earl Warren and his disciples. He totally disagreed. Hale Boggs was in a plane crash lost over frozen Alaska.
What Jones didn't mention was that the plane crash that took the life of Boggs and the other men on board the ill fated Cessna flight occurred 9 years after the assassination. That's some mysterious death. The real mystery of course is why it took so long for the conspirators to actually bump him off. :D
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Yep, like I said, 150 mysterious deaths and counting. Consider the case of Hale Boggs. Penn Jones says:
Boggs was the only member of the Warren Commission who disagreed with the conclusions. Hale Boggs did not follow Earl Warren and his disciples. He totally disagreed. Hale Boggs was in a plane crash lost over frozen Alaska.
What Jones didn't mention was that the plane crash that took the life of Boggs and the other men on board the ill fated Cessna flight occurred 9 years after the assassination. That's some mysterious death. The real mystery of course is why it took so long for the conspirators to actually bump him off. :D
OK I am not necessarily going to argue that death is perhaps erroneous Is the one case by one researcher suppose to cast doubt on the others?
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In regard to my misunderstanding Dave Perry First off given the overall polarization it is unlikely any researcher is going to support anything from the other side, so that should have been a big hello for me The second point is he starts his page few paragraphs with statements from Radenmacher or Vernon Then has a new bracketed section below that does not state who is now speaking. So when I read it I assumed it to be be Perry's critique since it included the subject I over and over I can see people can blame me for being dense in not understanding, but it would not have killed Perry to have stated who was speaking in this new bracket I am including these whiny details to at least show I make attempts to see the viewpoints from the the other side even though I cannot understand them
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Yep, like I said, 150 mysterious deaths and counting. Consider the case of Hale Boggs. Penn Jones says:
Boggs was the only member of the Warren Commission who disagreed with the conclusions. Hale Boggs did not follow Earl Warren and his disciples. He totally disagreed. Hale Boggs was in a plane crash lost over frozen Alaska.
What Jones didn't mention was that the plane crash that took the life of Boggs and the other men on board the ill fated Cessna flight occurred 9 years after the assassination. That's some mysterious death. The real mystery of course is why it took so long for the conspirators to actually bump him off. :D
Tom Scully scolded me the last time this came up, so I do not want to appear hostile I should perhaps have avoid the question of whether you think because one case is wrong the entire well is poisoned Your point is well taken on Boggs as far as I can tell and I will leave it at that
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Tom Scully scolded me the last time this came up, so I do not want to appear hostile I should perhaps have avoid the question of whether you think because one case is wrong the entire well is poisoned Your point is well taken on Boggs as far as I can tell and I will leave it at that
Matt, Do yourself a favour and check out the list.
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/PENN.htm
Even 'hit by the proverbial bus' makes an appearance in the case of Mona Saenz.
Penn Jones' reputation is spombleprofglidnoctobunse and his list is only useful for a laugh and not to be taken seriously.
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Matt, Do yourself a favour and check out the list.
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/PENN.htm
Even 'hit by the proverbial bus' makes an appearance in the case of Mona Saenz.
Penn Jones' reputation is spombleprofglidnoctobunse and his list is only useful for a laugh and not to be taken seriously.
He is going with the government gave Ruby cancer I guess Yes many look absurd. I Googled top 50 suspicious JFK deaths and got no results I would hope somebody has a better list
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Shooting teams with no physical or ballistic evidence to support inference?
Why would someone look for something that they really don't want to find? ::)
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He is going with the government gave Ruby cancer I guess Yes many look absurd. I Googled top 50 suspicious JFK deaths and got no results I would hope somebody has a better list
Solely depending on Google to supply you with sources, facts, and/or information is a Huge Mistake. This is much like on 11/22/63 taking JFK assassination film to Kodak for "developing".
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He is going with the government gave Ruby cancer I guess Yes many look absurd. I Googled top 50 suspicious JFK deaths and got no results I would hope somebody has a better list
Matt, I googled "JFK assassination witnesses suspicious deaths" and found this list, although the website calls them "convenient deaths":
https://www.jfk-assassination.eu/articles/deaths.php
I havent studied this list but a few things stand out. Many witnesses who died "conveniently" were in high-risk professions like law enforcement or organized crime. Others died of natural causes or apparent old age. You judge for yourself, but a word of caution: I always understood that Oswald's friend and associate David W. Ferrie killed himself, but the list gives his cause of death as " Blow to neck (ruled accidental)."