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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Michael O'Brian on June 19, 2018, 11:42:00 PM
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Hi all just wondering on which association, grouping, organisation, or individuals would have had the most motivation to carry out the murder of JFK
Please post suggestions I will begin with mine, that it was racially motivated from the top down and from the bottom up.
Why was a new thread on the motive allowed to start, when we already have this one? I think a lot of biased decisions are made by admin on the forum, in favor of the Lner camp
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Hey Michael,
What do you mean by "racially motivated?" Can you explain and elaborate a bit? Thank you.
JW
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Hey Michael,
What do you mean by "racially motivated?" Can you explain and elaborate a bit? Thank you.
JW
Hello Joffrey thanks for the comment, what I mean by it, is that J.F.K was part of a minority in the U.S due to him being of Catholic Irish decent, this in itself would have left him hated and despised by many, especially those in the South who tended to be more protestant, and of English/ British decent take this into consideration and add the equal civil rights and the attempts by J.F,K to end seggregation, then you have the very motive which caused his death, this all in effect allowed the momentum for the killing and the cover up to take place, the whole area was a powder keg of bigotry, it was a hell for anyone outside of the majority Jews, blacks catholic and many other minorities were kept down as second class citizens, even treated worse than dogs.
I do wish to add that bigger fish played other roles, in the plot, and these were business orientated people, not the average rednecks who were just a small but vital cog in the assasination, what really needed to happen to make JFK secure from these motivators in his death, would have been a complete overhall of his SS detail, most of them would secretly not have supported his religion/ancestory or foreign policy and so on. I trust this goes some way to explain what I ment by racially or and sectarian motivated.
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If someone really knew what was going on in Cuba and was sympathetic to those poor people that could be, reason enough to kill him good.
Racially I would of thought that the beginning of intigration into schools with blacks and the relaxing of other areas of segregation, would have and clearly did cause some major anger, also along side that the same man, is now making deals with the commies ...and he's coming to our town?!?
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If someone really knew what was going on in Cuba and was sympathetic to those poor people that could be, reason enough to kill him good.
Racially I would of thought that the beginning of intigration into schools with blacks and the relaxing of other areas of segregation, would have and clearly did cause some major anger, also along side that the same man, is now making deals with the commies ...and he's coming to our town?!?
Somehow I am thinking the altruistic nature of the intelligence apparatus was not at the heart of the matter
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If someone really knew what was going on in Cuba and was sympathetic to those poor people that could be, reason enough to kill him good.
Racially I would of thought that the beginning of intigration into schools with blacks and the relaxing of other areas of segregation, would have and clearly did cause some major anger, also along side that the same man, is now making deals with the commies ...and he's coming to our town?!?
That's it Barry, major anger, the intigration of African Americans was causing it was actually a fee for all in the South bombings, lynching, and burning was the norm, they were putting it up to the federal government and military, but on top of all this, the President is not even connected through ancestory, and his religious belief are far from acceptable to them either, in fact they are oppressing his people in places like Ireland so he aint gonna tell them what to do.
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Hi all just wondering on which association, grouping, organisation, or individuals would have had the most motivation to carry out the murder of JFK.
John Kennedy wanted to do things the Kennedy way. There were those who didn't agree.
Read..."The Yankee Cowboy War" by Carl Oglesby
Though it's hard to find.
Also "Farewell America" by James Hepburn
In short...the military industrial complex retired JFK.
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John Kennedy wanted to do things the Kennedy way. There were those who didn't agree.
Read..."The Yankee Cowboy War" by Carl Oglesby
Though it's hard to find.
Also "Farewell America" by James Hepburn
In short...the military industrial complex retired JFK.
I agree that it was a much larger conpiracy, but my theory is that they used groups such as the KKK etc to help carry it out, and cover it up.
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One of the best would be the withdrawal from Vietnam argument, that by doing this he upset the elite, thus bringing in all the elements needed for a elite operation.
Let me make a statement about the segregation thing and if you feel it's wrong say so.
JFK(in a postion that almost boggles the mind of the average Joe, with all the issues he had to deal with), completely dragged his feet on the cival rights issue, did nothing until he absolutely had to, so not pushing it forward at all.
To your theory directly Michael, is there anything Kennedy did officially and relating to his religion, that you feel would have upset anyone?
How I feel about the assassination as a whole, as a conspiracy, that it was a small group that was allowed to go ahead when discovered by a more powerful one, so no direct involvement by the latter until after the fact and the DPD doing most of the later work for them and quite naturally. Obviously at some point you then have to deal with everything Oswald but my instinct is to trim it down, seperate each incident rather than put them all together into one big bang(live edit: completely opposite to what Jerry and you just wrote :) ).
You mentioned his security but do you feel it was interfered with before the trip?
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In my opinion look no further than what is contained in this speech! Who's toes was he stepping on by what was said?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM)
He was fighting against globalism and the establishment of a World Order run entirely by the elitists of the world. The large families of the world have been controlling for a long time and still maintain control of the finances of the world and the power and monies for wars.
Who has the best motives? Rockefellers, Bush's, Soros, Rothschilds and the English Royal family to name a few - all had much to gain if JFK followed through with what he said in his speech. Anyone who threatens their ability to control the media and their agenda must be eliminated. The Skull and Bones and Masons are 2 secret societies that have had a hand in grooming many of the US Presidents and I think are who he was referring to in his speech. The Bush's all were Skull & Bones.
His firing of Allen Dulles, his promise to clean up the misuse of powers by the FBI and CIA to influence politics at home and abroad scared these people and they reacted. These organization are not accountable to the people and are only accountable to those of the ruling class (the elitists).
Another person who is poking the bear these days is Donald Trump. He is kicking against the pricks! You have to say in this situation, why is everything kept under wrap and slow to be revealed. All a matter of national security!? Why does Strzok say that Trump will never win, but if he does we have an insurance policy. Why does Mueller lead a Russian Collusion investigation thereafter and Hilary Clinton gets away with everything including having her husband meet with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac and taking a hammer to her devices. Trump is the first guy since JFK that has tried to stand up against the corrupt system and make it better!
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I have a simple conspiracy theory in which LBJ and the owner of the TSBD, Harold Byrd, conspire indirectly, to allow Oswald as much opportunity as possible to do the shooting.
The way I figure it, it is not inconceivable that LBJ,havng access to CIA, FBI info, became aware that the notorious defector to USSR, Lee Harvey Oswald, had returned to USA, and was working the TSBD, a building owned by a good friend, Harold Byrd, whom shared similar disdain for JFK as did LBJ.
So it would have been not too difficult to change the original planned route of JFK motorcade to turn on Elm st to make it easier for the "nut" Oswald whom the FBI KNEW was employed in TSBD (ie. Hosty file), which such info could have been found out by LBJ. So all LBJ really has to do, is make sure that his TSBD friend Harold Byrd keeps Oswald employed, and not secure TSBD building, and present the irresistible target, JFK , in proximity to "the nut", and probably had some psychological study that there was a better than 50% probability the "nut" would try to take a shot at JFK.
I believe there might have been a similar "roll the dice" probability plan for another "nut", Thomas Arthur Vallee, which COULD have been just as devastatingly effective, expect Vallee got intercepted via a tip off, was arrested with rifle and about 1000 rounds of ammo, in Chicago. That prompted the cancellation of a planned JFK motorcade visit to Chicago.
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I have a simple conspiracy theory in which LBJ and the owner of the TSBD, Harold Byrd, conspire indirectly, to allow Oswald as much opportunity as possible to do the shooting.
The way I figure it, it is not inconceivable that LBJ,havng access to CIA, FBI info, became aware that the notorious defector to USSR, Lee Harvey Oswald, had returned to USA, and was working the TSBD, a building owned by a good friend, Harold Byrd, whom shared similar disdain for JFK as did LBJ.
So it would have been not too difficult to change the original planned route of JFK motorcade to turn on Elm st to make it easier for the "nut" Oswald whom the FBI KNEW was employed in TSBD (ie. Hosty file), which such info could have been found out by LBJ. So all LBJ really has to do, is make sure that his TSBD friend Harold Byrd keeps Oswald employed, and not secure TSBD building, and present the irresistible target, JFK , in proximity to "the nut", and probably had some psychological study that there was a better than 50% probability the "nut" would try to take a shot at JFK.
I believe there might have been a similar "roll the dice" probability plan for another "nut", Thomas Arthur Vallee, which COULD have been just as devastatingly effective, expect Vallee got intercepted via a tip off, was arrested with rifle and about 1000 rounds of ammo, in Chicago. That prompted the cancellation of a planned JFK motorcade visit to Chicago.
I suppose the biggest question I have about that is why it would require such a massive coverup
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Furthermore to my post, you have to consider that the elitists operate on both sides of the war to make money and greed and align themselves with the winners.
The large American company Dupont made the chemicals used in the Nazi concentration camps to kill the Jews. Even the Largest motor companies in the world located in the US were playing both sides at the same time. The bearings used in the turrets I believe came from the United States plants as well.
What about these large car companies? These are the elites of the world who will not say no to making more money regardless of who wins and what side the winner happens to be located!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm?noredirect=on (https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm?noredirect=on)
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According to Daniel Sheehan on the following video around 26 minute mark, Sheehan claims that after the US encircled Cuba with a naval embargo and then warned the Soviet's that any ship that tried to break the blockade would be an act of war, a Soviet ship, on the night of Oct 16, did attempt to break the blockade. According to Sheehan, it is at this point that the Joint Chief's voted unanimously for a nuclear first strike on the Soviets, and JFK said to Kenny O'Donnell "I will not be the man who does this" A turning point perhaps
It is not clear from what I can see as to the extent of the nuclear first strike as suggested to JFK and it may indeed have been limited to the Soviet missile sites in Cuba But there was no reason to use nuclear weapons on those sites unless you were a madman
Maybe some of you are aware of this, or perhaps there is a debate about whether it went down this starkly
And Chomsky says he was just another cold warrior
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,983.0.html
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I suppose the biggest question I have about that is why it would require such a massive coverup
How could they ever let the world know that racists alligned to the british had killed the POTUS it would have caused massive unrest, it was easier to continue with framing the patsy, and it also allowed the momentum for Vietnam, because all of the thick brainwashed G.I.'s believed that the communists had killed their President.
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In order, here are my top three:
3. The anti-Castro Cuban Exiles because they were pissed about the Bay of Pigs and thought JFK sold them out to in order to end the Cuban Missile Crisis.
2. Ultra-Rightwingers like General Edwin Walker. Those people violently opposed the Civil Rights movement and as JFK became more involved their anger towards him grew.
1. The American Mafia. The Kennedy administration was the first to attempt to take down the Mafia and they had some success. Also Mob Boss, Carlos Marcelo was humiliated by the Kennedys so he had a personal vendetta.
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In order, here are my top three:
3. The anti-Castro Cuban Exiles because they were xxxxxx about the Bay of Pigs and thought JFK sold them out to in order to end the Cuban Missile Crisis.
2. Ultra-Rightwingers like General Edwin Walker. Those people violently opposed the Civil Rights movement and as JFK became more involved their anger towards him grew.
1. The American Mafia. The Kennedy administration was the first to attempt to take down the Mafia and they had some success. Also Mob Boss, Carlos Marcelo was humiliated by the Kennedys so he had a personal vendetta.
Thanks for the input Jon, option 2 is the only viable conspiracy that would work to allow such a successful hit, ie to ease of access to the TSBD building etc, and Greers help, the KKK and links with other terrorists such as the Orange order allowed the following coverup to go so well, these guys had men and women working in just about every nook and cranny in the South.
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I have a simple conspiracy theory in which LBJ and the owner of the TSBD, Harold Byrd, conspire indirectly, to allow Oswald as much opportunity as possible to do the shooting.
The kkk were working all over that building and the surrounding area, they made it look like Oswald did it, according to Milteers prediction.
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Thanks for the input Jon, option 2 is the only viable conspiracy that would work to allow such a successful hit, ie to ease of access to the TSBD building etc, and Greers help, the KKK and links with other terrorists such as the Orange order allowed the following coverup to go so well, these guys had men and women working in just about every nook and cranny in the South.
An actual US grassroots connection to a Euro-hate-group are the weapons and funds sent from America to the IRA. Had Kennedy been re-elected the IRA might have reaped official political support from the Amercians as well. The term "Irish Mafia" would have taken on a new meaning.
Had the British and the Orange really wanted to take over Ireland, they would have done it directly, not Trans-Atlantically and through assassinating foreign leaders. Actually the Kennedys appear to have been interested in that: assassinating foreign leaders.
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Actually the Kennedys appear to have been interested in that: assassinating foreign leaders.
Do tell Jerry.....based on what?
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Do tell Jerry.....based on what?
For starters, Operations Mongoose and Bounty, and the Lansdale "die plan" memo of March 16, 1962.
According to the book "Brothers in Arms,": "The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro."
There is probably no direct full-disclosure admission from the Kennedys or CIA that they planned to assassinate foreign leaders because they protected themselves with "plausible deniability".
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For starters, Operations Mongoose and Bounty, and the Lansdale "die plan" memo of March 16, 1962.
According to the book "Brothers in Arms,": "The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro."
There is probably no direct full-disclosure admission from the Kennedys or CIA that they planned to assassinate foreign leaders because they protected themselves with "plausible deniability".
Rafael Trujillo -- JFK inherited the CIA assassination plan from Eisenhower, just like the plots to wipe out Castro. JFK & Bobby agreed to carry them through -- on their watch. Certainly Bobby knew what was going on with Castro.
And it could be argued JFK wanted Diem out.
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For starters, Operations Mongoose and Bounty, and the Lansdale "die plan" memo of March 16, 1962.
According to the book "Brothers in Arms,": "The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro."
There is probably no direct full-disclosure admission from the Kennedys or CIA that they planned to assassinate foreign leaders because they protected themselves with "plausible deniability".
This is the book "Brothers in Arms" by Gus Russo and Stephen Molton. It talks of a Lansdale memo arising following the meeting referred to. It is without corroboration and presumably in Lansdales' words and should be recognised as such. The CIA plots against certain leaders were instigated during the Eisenhower presidency and, as the Church Committee discovered, likely conveniently continued in the absence of approval by the President. eg. the instruction from JFK to Dearborn,less a than a year earlier, the day before Trujillo was assassinated that " the United States must not run the risk of being associated with political assassination, since the United States, as a matter of general policy, could not condone assassination."
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Michael, I don't know if distrust of Catholics in a pre-64 Texas is motive. I was 3 at the time and our best hospitals in and around Beaumont, Tx were St Elizabeth & St Mary, fully staffed with Rosario's. Lyndon B Johnson was a total scoundrel with motive but I don't know if he had enough clout nationwide to get people to do this kind of bidding for him. One way of looking is this. Two trails. One led one down a political path to the top, LBJ, the other took one down a path of sadness and destruction, Joe Kennedy. Irish catholic, empire built on not so scrupulous foundation. His dreams of a worldwide empire was dashed by his 3 brightest sons meeting horrible ends. Even official account of Joe jr's demise over the channel is suspect in my mind. Unimaginable for a father to experience the loss of 3 sons. I used to think all this was a message to him but now I think different.
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Referring to Colonel Sheffield Edwards, CIA Director of the Office of Security,:
"Edwards said there was nothing that he knew about the plan to assassinate
Castro that he didn't tell Attorney General Kennedy and that the briefing
lasted about half a hour, at least."
"When asked whether or not the Attorney General had told Colonel Edwards
that "you shouldn't do this at all," Colonel Edwards replied "No."
-- Summary of Facts, 1975 ( Link (https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf) )
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For starters, Operations Mongoose and Bounty, and the Lansdale "die plan" memo of March 16, 1962.
According to the book "Brothers in Arms,": "The language of the memo speaks for itself. The only thing that Robert Kennedy can be referring to is the assassination of Castro."
There is probably no direct full-disclosure admission from the Kennedys or CIA that they planned to assassinate foreign leaders because they protected themselves with "plausible deniability".
Okay, but you said foreign leaders plural. Other than the plots against Castro - plots I think the Kennedys clearly knew about (if not in detail in general) - who did they plan to assassinate? Or have "interest" in assassinating?
I am not aware that Operation Mongoose had anything about assassinating Castro. My understanding is the assassination plots were under a separate program.
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Before 11/22/63 CUBA
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/mongoose.jpg)
11 days later VIETNAM
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/nary-jcsdoc-01_0063_0003.jpg)
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Okay, but you said foreign leaders plural.
Well, since we're splitting hairs, I said "the Kennedys appear to have been interested" which is not a claim that I knew for sure. Plausible deniability keeps us from knowing the full extent. The Castro assassination plots were confined to a select few within the White House Special Group (SG-A) and the CIA, along with liason Lansdale at Defense. RFK chaired the SG-A but I believe he was also briefed in his AG office.
Other than the plots against Castro - plots I think the Kennedys clearly knew about (if not in detail in general) - who did they plan to assassinate? Or have "interest" in assassinating?
There are some who suspect President Kennedy knew in advance of the assassinations of Rafael Trujillo and President Diem.
I am not aware that Operation Mongoose had anything about assassinating Castro. My understanding is the assassination plots were under a separate program.
The "Cuban Project" was also known as Operation Mongoose. It was run by Air Force Major General Edward Lansdale from the Defense Department, with assistance from William King Harvey at the CIA.
"The Cuban Project played a significant role in the events leading up to the
Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. The Project's six-phase schedule was presented
by Edward Lansdale on February 20, 1962; it was overseen by Attorney
General Robert Kennedy. President Kennedy was briefed on the operation's
guidelines on March 16, 1962. Lansdale outlined the coordinated program of
political, psychological, military, sabotage, and intelligence operations as well
as assassination attempts on key political leaders."
-- Wikipedia
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Well, since we're splitting hairs, I said "the Kennedys appear to have been interested" which is not a claim that I knew for sure. Plausible deniability keeps us from knowing the full extent. The Castro assassination plots were confined to a select few within the White House Special Group (SG-A) and the CIA, along with liason Lansdale at Defense. RFK chaired the SG-A but I believe he was also briefed in his AG office.
There are some who suspect President Kennedy knew in advance of the assassinations of Rafael Trujillo and President Diem.
The "Cuban Project" was also known as Operation Mongoose. It was run by Air Force Major General Edward Lansdale from the Defense Department, with assistance from William King Harvey at the CIA.
"The Cuban Project played a significant role in the events leading up to the
Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. The Project's six-phase schedule was presented
by Edward Lansdale on February 20, 1962; it was overseen by Attorney
General Robert Kennedy. President Kennedy was briefed on the operation's
guidelines on March 16, 1962. Lansdale outlined the coordinated program of
political, psychological, military, sabotage, and intelligence operations as well
as assassination attempts on key political leaders."
-- Wikipedia
You were seemingly implying - I can't read your mind - that the Kennedys were interested in killing numerous foreign leaders. As in multiple figures. In fact, the evidence I've seen is that they were "interested" in just one: Castro. And more than just "interested". I think they were quite aware of the plots and implicitly if not explicitly approved of them.
As to Diem and Trujillo: Again, where's the evidence? Didn't Lodge offer Diem and his brother protection in the US Embassy? And they rejected it? I don't think there's any evidence that JFK approved of or signed of on their murder. Same with Trujillo. No US government involvement.
As to the Wikipedia quote: there's no source for the claim that Mongoose also involved the assassination plots against Castro. Again, my understanding is that those plots were organized and run under a more secret program or programs. Mongoose was pretty well documented - there's a long paper trail - and I find it hard to believe that the Castro plots would have been part of it.
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from The Forty Committee, By L. Fletcher Prouty
"By God, Prouty, those bastards are going to let them murder Trujillo. They go around telling everyone this spombleprofglidnoctobuns about anticommunism; invading Cuba with a half-assed task force and then when they have one tough son-of-a-As I was walking a' alane, I heard twa corbies makin' a mane. The tane untae the tither did say, Whaur sail we gang and dine the day, O. Whaur sail we gang and dine the day? It's in ahint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight; And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair, O. But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair. His hound is to the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild-fowl hame, His lady ta'en anither mate, So we may mak' our dinner swate, O. So we may mak' our dinner swate. Ye'll sit on his white hause-bane, And I'll pike oot his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare, O. We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare. There's mony a ane for him maks mane But nane sail ken whaur he is gane O'er his white banes when they are bare The wind sail blaw for evermair, O. The wind sail blaw for evermair.' right there in the heart of the Caribbean, what do they do? They take away his support. He'll be dead in less than forty-eight hours."
General Darcy was spitting mad. He was one of the toughest guys who ever strapped himself into a P-51 fighter. He was a real professional. He believed in fighting the Cold War as hard as he had fought the total war against Hitler. Now, in May 1961, less than one month after the Bay of Pigs, he had just come back from a meeting of the Forty Committee (then called the Special Group 5412/2). They were playing God again and Rafael Trujillo, the dictatorial president of the Dominican Republic, was the next target for termination.
"Prouty, before you go back to your shop, go down to personnel. Find out what it takes to retire. This is not my game. I'm getting out." Before Darcy's papers could be processed, Trujillo was dead, murdered in the city that carried his name, by men of his own army.
Tom Darcy had made it clear many times that he had no love for Trujillo nor for what he stood; but despite that he knew Trujillo would never condone communism, and anyway, "it is not our business to mess around in their internal affairs." Assassinations are not made by the Forty Committee; they are permitted.
I believe Prouty went on the record and admitted during his role of Chief of Clandestine Operations he participated logistically in Trujillo's assassination/overthrow. I think it was during one of the Stone JFK movie debates he alluded to Trujillo's death as being the result of a CIA backed operation. If I can find it I'll post the clip.
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You were seemingly implying - I can't read your mind - that the Kennedys were interested in killing numerous foreign leaders. As in multiple figures. In fact, the evidence I've seen is that they were "interested" in just one: Castro. And more than just "interested". I think they were quite aware of the plots and implicitly if not explicitly approved of them.
As to Diem and Trujillo: Again, where's the evidence? Didn't Lodge offer Diem and his brother protection in the US Embassy? And they rejected it? I don't think there's any evidence that JFK approved of or signed of on their murder. Same with Trujillo. No US government involvement.
"The United States did not want Diệm and Nhu to form a government in exile and
wanted them far away from Vietnam. Assistant Secretary of State Roger Hilsman
had written in August that "under no circumstances should the Nhus be permitted
to remain in Southeast Asia in close proximity to Vietnam because of the plots
they will mount to try to regain power. If the generals decide to exile Diệm, he
should also be sent outside Southeast Asia." He further went on to anticipate
what he termed a "G?tterd?mmerung in the palace".
We should encourage the coup group to fight the battle to the end and destroy
the palace if necessary to gain victory. Unconditional surrender should be the
terms for the Ng? family since it will otherwise seek to outmaneuver both the
coups forces and the US. If the family is taken alive, the Nhus should be
banished to France or any other country willing to receive them. Diệm should
be treated as the generals wish.
After surrendering, Diệm called Lodge by telephone for the last time. Lodge did not
report the conversation to Washington, so it was widely assumed that the pair last
spoke on the previous afternoon when the coup was just starting. However, after
Lodge died in 1985, his aide, Colonel Mike Dunn said that Lodge and Diệm spoke for
the last time around 07:00 on 2 November moments after Diệm surrendered. When
Diệm called, Lodge "put [him] on hold" and then walked away. Upon his return, the
ambassador offered Diệm and Nhu asylum, but would not arrange for transportation
to the Philippines until the next day. This contradicted his earlier offer of asylum the
previous day when he implored Diệm to not resist the coup. Dunn offered to personally
go to the brothers' hideout to escort him so that the generals could not kill him, but
Lodge refused, saying, "We just can't get that involved." Dunn said, "I was really
astonished that we didn't do more for them." Having refused to help the brothers to
leave the country safely, Lodge later said after they had been shot, "What would we
have done with them if they had lived? Every Colonel Blimp in the world would have
made use of them."
-- Wikipedia
The Church Committee found that US officials wanted Trujillo overthrown and that some US officials knew of dissidents' requests for sniper rifles and other weapons, and that a handful of weapons were eventually given them. ( Link (https://history-matters.com/archive/church/reports/ir/pdf/ChurchIR_3D_Trujillo.pdf) )
As to the Wikipedia quote: there's no source for the claim that Mongoose also involved the assassination plots against Castro. Again, my understanding is that those plots were organized and run under a more secret program or programs. Mongoose was pretty well documented - there's a long paper trail - and I find it hard to believe that the Castro plots would have been part of it.
Harvey was associated with Mongoose. Accoding to some interpretations, Lansdale and Edwards told RFK all about the assassination plots. Possibly Lansdale briefed SG-A about it. Don't expect a "smoking gun" as to how much the Kennedys knew or instigated. The Church Committeee devoted a whole section to "Plausible Denial". ( Link (https://history-matters.com/archive/church/reports/ir/html/ChurchIR_0013a.htm) )
There's no absolute caught-on-film or confession evidence that Oswald shot the President, either.
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How many average Cuban Joe's were killed, or don't they count?
A rumoured 400 in one day(NOV8 1962), not enough?
Want to estimate how many were killed because we blocked food and medicine? Go right ahead.
The importance of PD mentioned in the very first sentence.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v06/d481 (https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v06/d481)