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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Matt Grantham on June 18, 2018, 06:01:08 AM
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Subsequent to this letter being written DeMohrenschildt had written the manuscript referred to in the letter. "I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!" named names of various CIA and FBI personnel who framed Oswald to cover their tracks in JFK?s assassination. DeMohrenschildt was shortly subjected to nine electro-shock treatments at Parkland Hospital under orders given by Doctor DeLoach, first cousin of FBI Assistant Director Cartha ?Deke? DeLoach. DeMohrenschildt?s doctor of record, Dr. Mendoza, ordered administration of intravenous drugs on DeMohrenschildt, being committed to Parkland Hospital for mental problems but, it was DeLoach that ordered electro-shock therapy. This occurred when George Bush was Director of Central Intelligence
http://garyrevel.com/jfk/demohrenschildtcia.html
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For a name like "DeLoach" which I had never heard before, it certainly is interesting that there are doctors with that last name both in Roundrock Texas and Little Rock Arkansas and even another one in Texas. That would lead one to think one of these could well be related. Interestingly, there are others as well.
DeMohrenschildt is one of the most troublesome topics on the JFK assassination. It is interesting that electroshock indeed was given to those with mental problems. I didn't realize it was used as late as 1976. Bush started his term as CIA director in 1976 through 1977.
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I'm shocked they allowed de Mohrenschildt to live as long as he did.
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I'm shocked they allowed de Mohrenschildt to live as long as he did.
Who are ''they'' ?
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CIA link on GHWB: https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2016-featured-story-archive/bush-as-director-of-central-intelligence.html
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Who are ''they'' ?
The conspirators who assassinated JFK, of course. Many witnesses died inexplicably. Any actuary will tell you this was a coup. They know the odds.
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Who are ''they'' ?
I thought is usually an LNer question?
in this case "they" would include whoever controlled his doctor GHWB Bush certainly appears to have never responded to George M, so he would be a suspect imo
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I thought is usually an LNer question?
in this case "they" would include whoever controlled his doctor GHWB Bush certainly appears to have never responded to George M, so he would be a suspect imo
I thought is usually an LNer question?
Sorry, I just wanted clarification to something which seemed to me to be a very general non specific remark.
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I thought is usually an LNer question?
in this case "they" would include whoever controlled his doctor GHWB Bush certainly appears to have never responded to George M, so he would be a suspect imo
GHWB is the only reason the final JFK files are being withheld. He's the last big player still alive.
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I thought is usually an LNer question?
Sorry, I just wanted clarification to something which seemed to me to be a very general non specific remark.
It is absolutely a fair question and I was mostly kidding. I like the way you carry yourself here Martin for what its worth
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The conspirators who assassinated JFK, of course. Many witnesses died inexplicably. Any actuary will tell you this was a coup. They know the odds.
So where can I see a list of the witnesses who died inexplicably? I hope it doesn't include William Whaley who died in a car crash with an 83 year old. Of course if there's evidence that the other driver was a hired killer maybe Whaley should remain on the list.
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The conspirators who assassinated JFK, of course. Many witnesses died inexplicably. Any actuary will tell you this was a coup. They know the odds.
These deaths wouldn't be a mystery to any serious researcher
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/deaths.htm
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So where can I see a list of the witnesses who died inexplicably? I hope it doesn't include William Whaley who died in a car crash with an 83 year old. Of course if there's evidence that the other driver was a hired killer maybe Whaley should remain on the list.
CTers will immediately demand that LNers prove that the 83 yo wasn't a hired killer.
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For a name like "DeLoach" which I had never heard before, it certainly is interesting that there are doctors with that last name both in Roundrock Texas and Little Rock Arkansas and even another one in Texas. That would lead one to think one of these could well be related. Interestingly, there are others as well.
DeMohrenschildt is one of the most troublesome topics on the JFK assassination. It is interesting that electroshock indeed was given to those with mental problems. I didn't realize it was used as late as 1976. Bush started his term as CIA director in 1976 through 1977.
ECT is still used. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy
What's interesting, at least in this case, is that it's used as a last-resort treatment for major depression.
Wikipedia also has a list of famous people who've gone through it. That list includes Dick Cavett, Kitty Dukakis, Thomas Eagleton, Carrie Fisher, Judy Garland, Ernest Hemmingway, Vladamir Horowitz, Vivien Leigh, Carmen Miranda, Sam Phillips, Sylvia Plath, Lou Reed, Yves St Laurent, Paul Robeson, Townes Van Zandt, and David Foster Wallace.
Hemingway, Wallace, and Plath committed suicide.
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These deaths wouldn't be a mystery to any serious researcher
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/deaths.htm
Thanks Bill. This is a well-known list but I was hoping Jack might have one which omitted the cab driver as that particular mystery death is probably the most incredible rubbish of all. How incredulous is it that DeMohrenschildt would die years later (suicide) when Oswald's landlady was bumped off just 2.5 years after the assassination from a heart attack after she was forced to eat doughnuts and swill cokes three a day until she expired.
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Thanks Bill. This is a well-known list but I was hoping Jack might have one which omitted the cab driver as that particular mystery death is probably the most incredible rubbish of all. How incredulous is it that DeMohrenschildt would die years later (suicide) when Oswald's landlady was bumped off just 2.5 years after the assassination from a heart attack after she was forced to eat doughnuts and swill cokes three a day until she expired.
Good one
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ECT is still used. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy
What's interesting, at least in this case, is that it's used as a last-resort treatment for major depression.
Wikipedia also has a list of famous people who've gone through it. That list includes Dick Cavett, Kitty Dukakis, Thomas Eagleton, Carrie Fisher, Judy Garland, Ernest Hemmingway, Vladamir Horowitz, Vivien Leigh, Carmen Miranda, Sam Phillips, Sylvia Plath, Lou Reed, Yves St Laurent, Paul Robeson, Townes Van Zandt, and David Foster Wallace.
Hemingway, Wallace, and Plath committed suicide.
It may still be used but not like it was or in the same manner. All of those people above practically, had it before 1965. Lou Reed's brushes with electroshock are fairly well known. It might have helped given him his bitter outlook on life that sometimes surfaces. He was given electroshock I think it's fairly well known, because of so-called homosexual inclinations.
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Thanks Bill. This is a well-known list but I was hoping Jack might have one which omitted the cab driver as that particular mystery death is probably the most incredible rubbish of all. How incredulous is it that DeMohrenschildt would die years later (suicide) when Oswald's landlady was bumped off just 2.5 years after the assassination from a heart attack after she was forced to eat doughnuts and swill cokes three a day until she expired.
The roving CIA death squads knocking off JFK witnesses years or even decades after they provided their testimony or information to investigators or the press is one of the many enduring myths. It is somewhat comical. I once saw JFK, Jr. on such a list. Imagine the planning behind these deaths. Wait until the witness has provided everything they have to say, then have someone kill them, then cover up the murder adding countless more conspirators who then have to be watched by someone. And on and on. It is really humorous. Like that Bigfoot film they show over and over despite the acknowledgement of a participant that it was faked. There are always going to be a few rubes around who will pass the torch of ignorance to future generation of dunces.
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How about we start with Roselli and Giancana to try to get a fell for for what you folks even consider suspicous
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You guys seemed pretty fired up on this, a couple of you seem to be onlin Whats up? Add Dorothy Killgallen, here is helpful tip don't trust what you read on on some your debunker websites in regard to Kilgallen it might just make you look like a fool So it's only Steve and Biil on this as far as I can see Steve you don't want to be line Bill in terms of backing up claims do you?
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I thought is usually an LNer question?
in this case "they" would include whoever controlled his doctor GHWB Bush certainly appears to have never responded to George M, so he would be a suspect imo
Would Bush then not be a suspect, if he had, in fact, responded, IYO?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29330&relPageId=4&search=bush_and%20sorry
IOW, you are posting frequently but not informing to the degree you infer you are....
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You guys seemed pretty fired up on this, a couple of you seem to be onlin Whats up? Add Dorothy Killgallen, here is helpful tip don't trust what you read on on some your debunker websites in regard to Kilgallen it might just make you look like a fool So it's only Steve and Biil on this as far as I can see Steve you don't want to be line Bill in terms of backing up claims do you?
You are not informing. Your post above seems a thinly veiled attempt to manipulate, no substance is presented. You leave the reader nothing to think
further about or to fact check or to research further.... why? Consider being more generous with your readers.
59 weeks after Dorothy's sudden death..... Kollmar publicly escorts Fogarty
19 months after Dorothy's sudden death..... Kollmar and Fogarty are honeymooning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Fogarty#Personal_life_and_death
Personal life and death[edit]
Fogarty had two children with her first husband, Tom Fogarty. They were married for over 17 years, with Tom Fogarty working as an art teacher at Pratt Institute, New York.[15][16] The marriage ended in divorce.
In 1967, Anne Fogarty married Richard Kollmar, Dorothy Kilgallen's widower. According to a 1971 interview Fogarty did with the syndicated newspaper columnist Marian Christy, Kollmar broke his shoulder in an accident at home on New Year's Day 1971, which caused a blood clot to develop, and he died "a month later" on Anne's birthday.[4] The New York Times, The Washington Post and other newspapers, however, ran obituaries for Kollmar on January 9 and 10 of that year.[17][18] The Post reported on January 10 that Kollmar had "died in his sleep late Thursday [January 7]."[18]
Fogarty was married a third time in 1977, to Wade O'Hara, but this marriage ended in divorce.[19] She died of a heart attack in New York on January 15, 1980.[11]
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Tom I tailor my responses based on the history I have had with individuals on this forum If I was wrong about a source that said Bush did not respond to George DeMo, then I am happily corrected As for your overarching critique of my performance here, again I am more interested in responding to those who I have had a history with here than a voice that appears from "on high" announcing my shortcomings
I must admit a certain dissatisfaction with my response to you in the above paragraph that I wrote last night There are hints of an allusion aimed at something constructive from you I suppose treating all posters as relative equals has its merits, but as a mere mortal I am unable to rouse the same commitment to presenting facts and evidence to some posters in comparison to others It was indeed just throwing out names and letting them figure it out Maybe their comments were directed more at Jack, and I should have left it at that
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Yes, in most cases....
So, in most cases, when anybody says, they didn't kill Kennedy....hmmmm
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Replying to this, posted today on another thread.:
the parroting of sensationalist and unverifiable BS circulated by the conspiracy enthralled "community"......
No matter how much I distance myself from such behavior, I am eternally doomed in some people's eyes
My objection to your activity is that your (and of course, Caprio's... author of (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=stats) nearly half of all this forum's threads) prolific spewing obscures or diverts interest from actually verifiable facts....
https://web.archive.org/web/20140426230557/http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,10424.0.html?board=1.0
Tom Scully April 04, 2014, 08:38:25 PM (Post #8 on the page linked above)
....Now for the nagging problems.... Bush called the FBI on 22 November and FBI's Graham Kitchel reported that Bush stated he would be flying back to Dallas and staying at the Sheraton Hotel that night, but Bush did not stay in Dallas that night.
One of DeMohrenschildt's closest friends, also a friend of Bush, was Graham Kitchel's brother, George Kitchel.
DeMohrenschildt's brother Dimitri had been Bush's roommate and close friend's Edward Gordon Hooker's stepfather. DeMohrenschildt's business from 1950 to 1953 was Hooker & DeMohrenschildt. His partner Edward Gordon Hooker introduced DeMohrenschildt to his soon to be wife, Dr. Didi Sharples.
One of Bush's closest friends and business partner was former CIA agent Thomas J. Devine. Starting ten days after DeMohrenschildt and his wife left Dallas, Devine reported four encounters with DeMohrenschildt to his CIA supervisor, over the next three weeks. Devine commissioned a CIA "work up" of DeMohrenschildt and was directed and agreed to keep tabs on DeMohrenschildt.
On the same day in April, 1963 that Devine first met with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles, Devine's best friend in Rochester and the brother of Devine's school classmate, Joseph F. Dryer, Jr. was also meeting with DeMohrenschildt.
Devine attended M.I.T. and from fall 1944 to May, 1948, it is documented that he lived in the Sigma Chi Frat house with 15 other frat brothers. One of the brothers was Garry Coit. Coit began attending US Navy radio school in October, 1944, two weeks later, Devine also attended US Navy Radio school.
The HSCA provided documentation that Garry Coit was a CIA agent who was Priscilla Johnson's contact from at least Jan., 1964. When Coit was reassigned, he sent Priscilla a good bye letter, advising her that "the outfit" was reassigning him and thanking her for her cooperation and for the information she had provided to him. Coit informed Priscilla who her new CIA contact would be.
Usher Wyeth near the bottom of the following article happened to be Priscilla's very, very patient book editor
cooperatively waiting thirteen years for her to submit her book, "Marina & Lee".
(http://jfkforum.com/images/DemohrenschildtHookerWillettsMarionSwyeth.jpg)
S. Willetts Meyer,in addition to being an usher in the wedding above of his first cousin, also happened to be the best
man of Edward Gordon Hooker.:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/HookerWillettsBush.jpg)
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I believe I have started 7 in over 40 days, and one of those was in regard to finding good JFK indexes
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How incredulous is it that DeMohrenschildt would die years later (suicide)
Yeah, "suicide" with a 20 gauge shotgun. He must have had orangutan arms like Oswald...
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Yeah, "suicide" with a 20 gauge shotgun. He must have had orangutan arms like Oswald...
Yeah, nobody commits suicide by shotgun! Wtf?
(https://s15.postimg.cc/ytxpn16ln/iccysassumption.jpg)
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.78.7.824
JohnM
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The doctor is indeed mysterious. A check with the Dallas County Medical Society showed that Dr. Mendoza first registered in April 1976, less than two months before he began treating DeMohrenschildt and at the same time the House Select Committee on Assassinations was beginning to be funded.
Mendoza left Dallas in December, just a few months after DeMohrenschildt refused to continue treatments, at the insistence of his wife. Mendoza left the society a forwarding address that proved to be nonexistent. He also left behind a confused and unbalanced George DeMohrenschildt.
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The roving CIA death squads knocking off JFK witnesses years or even decades after they provided their testimony or information to investigators or the press is one of the many enduring myths. It is somewhat comical. I once saw JFK, Jr. on such a list. Imagine the planning behind these deaths. Wait until the witness has provided everything they have to say, then have someone kill them, then cover up the murder adding countless more conspirators who then have to be watched by someone. And on and on. It is really humorous. Like that Bigfoot film they show over and over despite the acknowledgement of a participant that it was faked. There are always going to be a few rubes around who will pass the torch of ignorance to future generation of dunces.
Seems the CIA merry band of assassins inspired Jimmy Breslin's 'The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight'