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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Mike Orr on June 17, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
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Files said he did it and how he did it ! Would we take a killers word for being the man who shot JFK in the head from the front , blowing the back of JFK's head out , as seen by Parkland as well as others ? Files tells an awfully good story about that day. Files is on his way to being released from prison if he hasn't already been released . Does anyone know the status on Files release ?
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Files was released, I remember seeing something along those lines posted somewhere.
Since his release it would be interesting to know if he still claims to be the man that blew JFK's brains out?
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Since the JFK case is still open , would someone like Files be of interest to the authorities since he still lives and has said he is the person who made the frontal headshot on JFK . I don't know if "WE" would believe anyone who confessed to being a part of a conspiracy to overthrow the President of the United States. America experienced a Coup d' etat in 1963 ! Doug Horne actually states that JFK was hit ( 5 ) times by shooters ( 2 from behind , 1 from the left front and 2 from the right front ) ! I know ! Whoever was pulling the strings at the Bethesda Autopsy of JFK has some explaining to do. Most of those involved have probably died and so goes the reasoning to keep all the files tied up for so many years . They are hoping that the vast majority of "us" will be dead soon so they can bring this downfall of a Nation which took place in 1963, to a halt. I think once they murdered JFK , then killing MLK , RFK & Malcolm X was just notching the gun . War = Money , and we have been at War so long. Don't even get me going on " 9/11 " ! Why was JFK removed from office ?
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I'll tell you, I know of one "semi-prominent CTer" who says Files is dangerous. I think he thinks Files muddies the waters up and he doesn't find Files credible. I can expand on all of this. He says some of this I believe in his "amazon" reviews of books.
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Could someone match Files to the man seen rolling in the grass? I maintain that was the assassin and it wasn't Malcom Summers as they would like you to believe. Summers interviews don't add up - even considering he first came to light - what, 25 years or more later!
Why were none of the people closest to the vehicle such as well known Altgens not brought in as witnesses and have their statements taken immediately?! Any crime scene is quickly locked down and statements taken. Not even LHO can make a statement before being gunned down! So many police and so little action.
You know a shot came through the windshield when you see the driver Greer press his face towards the windshield to keep from getting hit by the flying glass so he could see to drive! His change in position can be noted when looking at the Zapruder Frames as his face presses forward!
You also know the shocked look didn't come across Jacqeline's face until after Z-330 and you also then first see a massive red blur on JFK which tells you when he was actually hit with real bullets. Again his raising his arm and moving back in the seat tell you the killer was very close to the front of the car as he saw his assassin and raised his arm to try and block the shot! Again, this is not an involuntary action from a man who would have lost consciousness at Z-313 and would have been pitched forward!
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However, TWO shell casings were found (not one) and the stamp on the end of the casing indicated the bullets were manufactured after the year 1971 because Remmington had changed them that year.
Could you provide a link to that please? Also I am puzzled if the casings were made after 71 how they could have been found in 63
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(http://grandsubversion.com/jfkAssassination/images/dallas_delaley_plaza/dl1p6ph2.jpg)
Files said he shot Kennedy from behind the fence.
On whose behalf did he say that he pulled the trigger?
If he said he was alone ..that is pure bunk.
There were capable gunmen and accomplices behind the fence.
Enough mention has been made about that.
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(http://grandsubversion.com/jfkAssassination/images/dallas_delaley_plaza/dl1p6ph2.jpg)
Files said he shot Kennedy from behind the fence.
On whose behalf did he say that he pulled the trigger?
If he said he was alone ..that is pure bunk.
There were capable gunmen and accomplices behind the fence.
Enough mention has been made about that.
According to the Files confession, the JFK assassination was carried out by
Chicago mob hit man, Charles "Chuckie" Nicoletti on orders from boss Sam
Giancana. ".(Richard) Cain and Nicoletti were actual gunmen for the hit."
wrote Giancana's brother Chuck in his 1992 book Double Cross (pp. 334-335).
Files said the hit team originally was to be Nicoletti and mobster Johnny
Roselli. Files himself was only to have transported weapons to Dallas and
acted as driver. But, according to Files, Roselli arrived in Dallas early on
the morning of November 22, 1963, by means of a "military flight". Roselli
said the CIA had sent an "abort team" to Dallas to stop the assassination
and he declined to participate saying they would all be killed. Undaunted by
Roselli's fears, Nicoletti decided to move ahead with the carefully-laid
plans and so asked Files --- a man who had been his driver and confederate
in several other jobs --- to back him up. Many critics have questioned why
Files at such a young age and not being a "made" Mafia man would have been
included on something as important as the JFK assassination. This is a very
good question but it appears answered in this account of Files' last-minute
substitution after Roselli suddenly backed out, fearful of being killed by
an "abort team".
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Here is some material on the two casings found years later
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/radtruth.htm
From Rich Pope
the stamp on the end of the casing indicated the bullets were manufactured after the year 1971 because Remmington had changed them that year.
From Dave Perry
These shells are Remington 222 bullets the shells date back to the year 1963. Dating is through the manufacturer and through the technique called terminus post quem dating.
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What was Files wearing?
This deaf man revealed that he saw two guys behind the fence from the other side of the highway at the time of the shooting.
Of course, the FBI did not believe him.
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Files has told his story and you either believe him or not . I think the facts of the JFK assassination are known only by a small # of people who are very old and that is because of the 50 to 75 years of holding the JFK files from being seen and gone over . If there are people who have gone over these files that have been released and can put together certain aspects of what happened on Nov. 22nd 1963 . I think Jim Marrs said it best when asked if we will ever know the facts about JFK's demise and Jim said we already know . What I've noticed over my lifetime and I'm 70 years old , is that no matter what stand you take , there will always be someone who refutes what you say while they tell you , No , it did not happen that way , Ct's , Ln's , Republicans , Democrats and so on . I was not in Dallas that day so everything I've heard or read about is all 2nd hand news . What always seemed odd to me was why in the world would anyone try to shoot the POTUS with a Mannlicher Carcano of which the Italians themselves had labeled ' The Humane weapon ' because of it's in-accuracy ! I don't know if Files killed JFK or not but I would put my money on him over LHO in the break room with a coke in his hand .
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Like the HSCA, I am convinced the JFK assassination was a conspiracy and it's just a matter of figuring out how they did it. We must start with the assumption that this was a coup d'etat and go from there. Every good coup d'etat needs a patsy and Oswald was it. He had no prints on the murder weapons, his scope wasn't sighted-in, he was found at the wrong place to be the assassin, he got a job 3 weeks before the motorcade route handed JFK to him on a silver platter, there isn't a viable trajectory for the MB to have done what it did then magically show up unscathed on the wrong gurney, and on and freakin on.
The DPD were obviously sheep-dipping Oswald and their handling of the evidence was proof that they were involved in the cover up. You have to ignore such a mountain of circumstantial evidence to be a LNer that they are more WC defenders than LN theorists. They are Conspiracy Deniers foremost because a whole lot of denial is required to stick with the fringe LN hypothesis.
As far as speculating who the actual conspirators/assassins were, the skeptics paint E. Howard Hunt's confession along with James Files claims. They think that dirty rats can't be trusted to tell the truth period. But what was in it for Hunt to confess? It wasn't a badge of honor assassinating the beloved JFK. It could only bring shame to his family to sell out for a book deal. Files didn't even have that option. He was pretty much ignored and written off as nuttier than Oswald himself. But he gave 3 details that made me sit up and take notice:
1) He claimed that he used a Remington Fireball that shot .222 caliber frangible bullets. The Fireball was the best weapon of its kind back in 63 and perfect for the job. And if JFK's head was not struck by a frangible bullet then I'll eat a bug!
Files' shot from the knoll caused a right temple blowout and you can see the fireball in JFK's head at Z frame 317. That is NOT sunlight reflecting off of brain matter. Deny this at your peril.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
2) He claimed that the turkey shoot was intended to make near simultaneous shots sound like 1 and that his shot happened a split second after another shot had struck JFK in the head from the front (back then to the left), which is what the Z film shows.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/BackLeft.gif)
3) He claimed to have bit a dent into the shell casing and dropped it at the site so he could claim bragging rights when someone found it. There was a spent .222 casing found at the site in 1987 by John Rademacher and it matched his description exactly. Analysis of the hull estimated it had likely been in the ground for 24 years as claimed. Skeptics scoff this off as an obvious hoax, but that's because they are conspiracy denialists 1st and critical thinkers 2nd.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Fireball.jpg)
Given the original assumption that this was a conspiracy and Oswald was not a LN, IMO James Files is an excellent candidate to be one of the shooters, of which there were several.
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If Files was actually involved...he would not have survived prison.
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Anybody can make a claim. Proving it is another thing.
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Sorry to disappoint, but James Files lied. I doubt he was even there that day.
I have a copy of Remington's .222 & .223 bunter matrix. The shells that he (Files) left near the fence (with his bite mark) weren't even manufactured until 1970. Clearly they were put there on purpose to later serve as proof.
I can post if anyone likes.
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Sorry to disappoint, but James Files lied. I doubt he was even there that day.
I have a copy of Remington's .222 & .223 bunter matrix. The shells that he (Files) left near the fence (with his bite mark) weren't even manufactured until 1970. Clearly they were put there on purpose to later serve as proof.
I can post if anyone likes.
I'm ok thanks.
Its unfortunate that there are idiots like Files muddying the research with total nonsense. More unfortunate are the people who give him the time of day.
A total loser.
There were capable gunmen and accomplices behind the fence.
But none photographed, filmed or seen by anyone. Including Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson et al or any of the dozen or so people within feet of these shooters.
Look how close they are to the fence. Yet a high powered rifle went off behind their heads, mere feet away, and they didn't look around and in fact ran closer to the shooter.
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I'm ok thanks.
Its unfortunate that there are idiots like Files muddying the research with total nonsense. More unfortunate are the people who give him the time of day.
A total loser.
But none photographed, filmed or seen by anyone. Including Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson et al or any of the dozen or so people within feet of these shooters.
Look how close they are to the fence. Yet a high powered rifle went off behind their heads, mere feet away, and they didn't look around and in fact ran closer to the shooter.
But none photographed, filmed or seen by anyone. Including Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson et al or any of the dozen or so people within feet of these shooters.
Except of course, Lee Bowers who saw people behind the picked fence. And then there was Dallas Police officer Joe M. Smith who encountered a man in the same location he thought had shown him Secret Service credentials despite the fact that the Secret Service had nobody posted there. Even if no other witness saw him/them, these two witnesses did (and there were more), which means they were there. If they were shooters or not is a whole different matter.
Look how close they are to the fence. Yet a high powered rifle went off behind their heads, mere feet away, and they didn't look around and in fact ran closer to the shooter.
The Plaza is one big echo chamber. Some people standing near the TSBD thought the shots came from the grassy knoll.
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Files had nothing to lose by telling his story because as far as the Government was concerned , Lee Harvey Oswald was the Lone Nut who had the JFK and the Tippit murders pinned on him via the Warren Commission Report and when Ruby killed Oswald , then that was the end of ' who did it ' as far as the Government was concerned ! The government ' Rogue elements ' had nothing else to worry about except for the fact that a lot of books were written and the JFK movie came out . The JFK Assassination has been talked about more than any other subject ! If Oswald did it then why was there a ' You can't see these documents and Files on the JFK Assassination for 75 years . Somebody was afraid of something , like the back of JFK's head being blown off or a frontal neck wound of which would not tell the Governments side of what really happened !
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But none photographed, filmed or seen by anyone. Including Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson et al or any of the dozen or so people within feet of these shooters.
Except of course, Lee Bowers who saw people behind the picked fence. And then there was Dallas Police officer Joe M. Smith who encountered a man in the same location he thought had shown him Secret Service credentials despite the fact that the Secret Service had nobody posted there. Even if no other witness saw him/them, these two witnesses did (and there were more), which means they were there. If they were shooters or not is a whole different matter.
Lee Bowers didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Joe M. Smith didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
The Moorman photo doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman or Emmett Hudson didn't see or hear anyone or any shots behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
The Nix film doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
These are unfortunate facts.
The Plaza is one big echo chamber. Some people standing near the TSBD thought the shots came from the grassy knoll.
So that means you don't hear a rifle firing 15 feet away from your ear?!
The distance from these two spots from rifle to Hudson and he didn't hear it?!
(https://i.ibb.co/JsBnJnT/Capture.png)
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Lee Bowers didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Joe M. Smith didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
The Moorman photo doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Some people think it does.
But if that's your standard, how many photos show anyone in the sixth floor SE TSBD window at the time of the shooting?
Jean Hill, Ed Hoffman, Gordon Arnold, Rosemary Willis all claimed to have seen a knoll shooter.
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Lee Bowers didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Joe M. Smith didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
The Moorman photo doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman or Emmett Hudson didn't see or hear anyone or any shots behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
The Nix film doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
These are unfortunate facts.
So that means you don't hear a rifle firing 15 feet away from your ear?!
The distance from these two spots from rifle to Hudson and he didn't hear it?!
(https://i.ibb.co/JsBnJnT/Capture.png)
Lee Bowers didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Joe M. Smith didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
At the time if the shooting?... Trying to move the goalposts already?
Bowers saw the men prior to the shooting and Smith saw them just after the shooting, but you're probably right... during the shooting they went for lunch or something Thumb1:
The Moorman photo doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman or Emmett Hudson didn't see or hear anyone or any shots behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
The Nix film doesn't show anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
These are unfortunate facts.
Facts are never unfortunate! And you are right, but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, and that's where you go wrong. You figure, just because you can't see somebody doesn't mean that there is nobody!
So that means you don't hear a rifle firing 15 feet away from your ear?!
The distance from these two spots from rifle to Hudson and he didn't hear it?!
According to the official narrative there were three shots, yet many people only heard two. Others heard only one of more than three. Some heard a shot and thought it was a firecracker. Who knows what Hudson really did hear in a split second. The man sees Kennedy's head explode in front of him... just how much attention was he paying to what he heard a second earlier? Just how much information can a brain process?
And again, even if Hudson didn't hear a shot, that still doesn't mean there wasn't one, nor does it mean that wasn't anybody behind him behind the picked fence.
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Files had nothing to lose? How come the FBI let him out of jail? There's no statute of limitation on murder, and assassinating a president is worse. If the feds thought he was telling the truth they he'd still be locked up. But the feds clearly know he's lying. And here absolute proof that James Files is full of it.
I'll post 2 in case 1 doesn't work.
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/LXgJnYQ6XuDk5SkM7)
(http://photos.app.goo.gl/LXgJnYQ6XuDk5SkM7)
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If you look at the vantage point from the position Files claimed he was in, the "window" for a shot to strike JFK is minimal. Files would allegedly have to of fired around the 3 guys standing on the steps, in addition to the Black Dog Man standing inside the Wall Nook. Further down the picket fence toward the Triple Underpass would have been a better position. Holland and others standing atop the Triple Underpass claimed they sighted smoke coming from this picket fence location.
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The Lady in Red
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
[EXCERPT]
Consider for example her [JEAN HILL] claim to have seen a Grassy Knoll shooter. A little more than an hour after the shooting, on the afternoon of the assassination, she was interviewed by WBAP-TV. (See right. Hill is on the left in the picture, and her friend Mary Moorman, who was standing next to Hill on the Dealey Plaza infield, is on the right).
Q. "Did you see the person who fired the . . ."
A. "No . . . I didn't see any person fire the weapon . . ."
Q. "You only heard it?"
A. "I only heard it."
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Howard Brennan on 11/22/63:
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/failedtoidentify.jpg)
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Files had nothing to lose? How come the FBI let him out of jail? There's no statute of limitation on murder, and assassinating a president is worse. If the feds thought he was telling the truth they he'd still be locked up. But the feds clearly know he's lying. And here absolute proof that James Files is full of it.
Somebody said Jimbo the Trick-Shot Artist claimed he had a twin brother in Chicago, after phone records show that he himself was there (in Chicago) that day. Something to that effect. But he did have a sister apparently. Imagine her joy at finding out she had a second brother.
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The Lady in Red
by John Mcadams
[EXCERPT]
Consider for example her [JEAN HILL] claim to have seen a Grassy Knoll shooter. A little more than an hour after the shooting, on the afternoon of the assassination, she was interviewed by WBAP-TV. (See right. Hill is on the left in the picture, and her friend Mary Moorman, who was standing next to Hill on the Dealey Plaza infield, is on the right).
Q. "Did you see the person who fired the . . ."
A. "No . . . I didn't see any person fire the weapon . . ."
Q. "You only heard it?"
A. "I only heard it."
I can understand the Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses that followed DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood Across/Up the Grassy Knoll toward the Triple Underpass. I do Not understand what motivated the mass of eyewitnesses that ran Up The Steps on Zapurders (R). Something initially motivated that throng to take that route/direction. The Newman Family, Emmitt Hudson, The Chism Family, Umbrella Man, etc who were closest to the Steps did Not run Up those steps. They were Not FACING/LOOKING AT those Steps. The overwhelming majority of people running Up those Steps had to travel across Elm St in order to reach/travel Up the Steps. This means they Were FACING/LOOKING AT the Steps, Picket Fence, Parking Lot.
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I can understand the Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses that followed DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood Across/Up the Grassy Knoll toward the Triple Underpass. I do Not understand what motivated the mass of eyewitnesses that ran Up The Steps on Zapurders (R). Something initially motivated that throng to take that route/direction. The Newman Family, Emmitt Hudson, The Chism Family, Umbrella Man, etc who were closest to the Steps did Not run Up those steps. They were Not FACING/LOOKING AT those Steps. The overwhelming majority of people running Up those Steps had to travel across Elm St in order to reach/travel Up the Steps. This means they Were FACING/LOOKING AT the Steps, Picket Fence, Parking Lot.
What kind of idiots would run towards an area that for all they knew, could have resulted in an encounter with a number of heavily-armed shooters who possibly might be only-too-happy to mow them down.
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What kind of idiots would run towards an area that for all they knew, could have resulted in an encounter with a number of heavily-armed shooters who possibly might be only-too-happy to mow them down.
Just curious. What do YOU believe started that throng Up-the-steps? I've heard about all the echoing inside Dealey Plaza, but the Only guy that made a bee line for the TSBD was Officer Baker and he was Motivated by SEEING pigeons fly.
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Howard Brennan: All in the Family
Oswald#As I was walking a' alane, I heard twa corbies makin' a mane. The tane untae the tither did say, Whaur sail we gang and dine the day, O. Whaur sail we gang and dine the day? It's in ahint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight; And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair, O. But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair. His hound is to the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild-fowl hame, His lady ta'en anither mate, So we may mak' our dinner swate, O. So we may mak' our dinner swate. Ye'll sit on his white hause-bane, And I'll pike oot his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare, O. We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare. There's mony a ane for him maks mane But nane sail ken whaur he is gane O'er his white banes when they are bare The wind sail blaw for evermair, O. The wind sail blaw for evermair.'#1: Divorced
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Howard Brennan: All in the Family
Not sure if you are kidding around due to being afraid of stating an opinion of your own. If you are going to poo-poo possibilities, it helps to have an opinion of your own. Have you given thought to Officer Hargis initially heading up-the-steps? In his WC Testimony, Officer Hargis cites crossing Elm and going up to a Little Wall.
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Somebody said Jimbo the Trick-Shot Artist claimed he had a twin brother in Chicago, after phone records show that he himself was there that day. Something to that effect. But he did have a sister apparently. Imagine her joy at finding out she had a second brother.
Somebody said that Chapman's knowledge of the case is woefully inadequate.
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Not sure if you are kidding around due to being afraid of stating an opinion of your own.
You never know with Chapman's pithy one-liners, but I think he's trying to make the argument that Brennan had a good reason to change his story and Hill did not. "Good reason" defined as Chapman wanting to believe it.
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Not sure if you are kidding around due to being afraid of stating an opinion of your own. If you are going to poo-poo possibilities, it helps to have an opinion of your own. Have you given thought to Officer Hargis initially heading up-the-steps? In his WC Testimony, Officer Hargis cites crossing Elm and going up to a Little Wall.
I see you missed my 'Oswald had Help' thread
And that I recently agreed that Oswald was innocent
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I see you missed my 'Oswald had Help' thread
And that I recently agreed that Oswald was innocent
So you have No Opinion as to what sent those people Up-The-Steps. Next time show some fortitude and just say so.
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So you have No Opinion as to what sent those people Up-The-Steps. Next time show some fortitude and just say so.
So you care about my opinion as to what sent those people into an area that an armed killer might be hiding. Cool. (As an aside, You lot wouldn't happen to be suggesting that even they might somehow be part of a 'conspiracy', now would you?)
Now for the big reveal: They were chased by bees*
There. Crushed it for you.
*you did say they made 'a beeline', after all
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So you care about my opinion as to what sent those people into an area that an armed killer might be hiding. Cool. (As an aside, You lot wouldn't happen to be suggesting that even they might somehow be part of a 'conspiracy', now would you?)
Now for the big reveal: They were chased by bees*
There. Crushed it for you.
*you did say they made 'a beeline', after all
If YOU are going to go out of Your way to find fault with the opinion/position of others, YOU need to proffer an opinion/position of Your own. What you like to do is Drive By/Pot Shot others. That is not only Weak but it does absolutely Nothing to advance the discussion.
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Hargis had brain and blood matter on him and his cycle was at the left rear of JFK's Limo which was in line with a shot coming from the right front . As Ralph Yarborough saying he smelled gun powder while passing by the grassy knoll where Files said he would have been .
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If YOU are going to go out of Your way to find fault with the opinion/position of others, YOU need to proffer an opinion/position of Your own. What you like to do is Drive By/Pot Shot others. That is not only Weak but it does absolutely Nothing to advance the discussion.
I'm not going out of my way at all.
And my opinions are proffered by way of mockery.
It was nuts for that crowd to run after a supposedly armed killer. Period.
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I'm not going out of my way at all.
And my opinions are proffered by way of mockery.
It was nuts for that crowd to run after a supposedly armed killer. Period.
Your assumption being the crowd was running after a "supposedly ARMED KILLER. Period". Much like cops do, people in general frequently chase after Anyone Running Away from the scene of any crime. Do NOT forget 1 of the 3 guys standing on The Steps, ran Up Those Steps. Officer Hargis may have also ran Up Those Steps.
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I'm not going out of my way at all.
And my opinions are proffered by way of mockery.
It was nuts for that crowd to run after a supposedly armed killer. Period.
Nuts maybe, but were they chasing echos? And if so, why weren't they chasing echos from the 1st 2+ shots? Same echos, right?
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Nuts maybe, but were they chasing echos? And if so, why weren't they chasing echos from the 1st 2+ shots? Same echos, right?
Let's remember that eyewitnesses were Not crossing Elm St and running up The Steps until AFTER the JFK motorcade had passed by/cleared the Knoll. IF "chasing echoes" was the stimulus for that crowd rushing/streaming up The Steps, they ALL Waited a while before embarking on their dash across Elm street and then up The Steps.
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It was nuts for that crowd to run after a supposedly armed killer. Period.
It was not particularly known at that time by everyone around that anyone was killed.
Of course nowadays-- people definitely run from perceived sources of shots.
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Nuts maybe, but were they chasing echos? And if so, why weren't they chasing echos from the 1st 2+ shots? Same echos, right?
How would those on the south side of Elm Street get across whilst the parade was in progress?
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Lee Bowers didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
Joe M. Smith didn't see anyone behind the fence at the time of the shooting.
At the time if the shooting?... Trying to move the goalposts already?
Nope. Lee Bowers saw a car driving about 8 minutes before the shooting. So what?
Look at the Nix tape. Theres no one behind the fence. There were enough people there to have noticed. Its not a big area.
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Some people think it does.
But if that's your standard, how many photos show anyone in the sixth floor SE TSBD window at the time of the shooting?
None, but the Robert Hughes film shows someone in the window. I'm sure you already know this.
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Could you provide a link to that please? Also I am puzzled if the casings were made after 71 how they could have been found in 63
They weren't found in 1963. They were found in 1987. Fifteen years after 1971 and twenty three years after the assassination. They were found buried in the dirt, which ought to tell anyone with common sense they were planted.
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None, but the Robert Hughes film shows someone in the window. I'm sure you already know this.
I think the claim would be more accurately described as motion behind the window rather than “someone in the window”.
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None, but the Robert Hughes film shows someone in the window. I'm sure you already know this.
Yup. And the man in the window was wearing a white collard shirt. Oswald was wearing a checkered flannel one.
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Like the HSCA, I am convinced the JFK assassination was a conspiracy and it's just a matter of figuring out how they did it. We must start with the assumption that this was a coup d'etat and go from there. Every good coup d'etat needs a patsy and Oswald was it. He had no prints on the murder weapons, his scope wasn't sighted-in, he was found at the wrong place to be the assassin, he got a job 3 weeks before the motorcade route handed JFK to him on a silver platter, there isn't a viable trajectory for the MB to have done what it did then magically show up unscathed on the wrong gurney, and on and freakin on.
The DPD were obviously sheep-dipping Oswald and their handling of the evidence was proof that they were involved in the cover up. You have to ignore such a mountain of circumstantial evidence to be a LNer that they are more WC defenders than LN theorists. They are Conspiracy Deniers foremost because a whole lot of denial is required to stick with the fringe LN hypothesis.
As far as speculating who the actual conspirators/assassins were, the skeptics paint E. Howard Hunt's confession along with James Files claims. They think that dirty rats can't be trusted to tell the truth period. But what was in it for Hunt to confess? It wasn't a badge of honor assassinating the beloved JFK. It could only bring shame to his family to sell out for a book deal. Files didn't even have that option. He was pretty much ignored and written off as nuttier than Oswald himself. But he gave 3 details that made me sit up and take notice:
1) He claimed that he used a Remington Fireball that shot .222 caliber frangible bullets. The Fireball was the best weapon of its kind back in 63 and perfect for the job. And if JFK's head was not struck by a frangible bullet then I'll eat a bug!
Files' shot from the knoll caused a right temple blowout and you can see the fireball in JFK's head at Z frame 317. That is NOT sunlight reflecting off of brain matter. Deny this at your peril.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
2) He claimed that the turkey shoot was intended to make near simultaneous shots sound like 1 and that his shot happened a split second after another shot had struck JFK in the head from the front (back then to the left), which is what the Z film shows.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/BackLeft.gif)
3) He claimed to have bit a dent into the shell casing and dropped it at the site so he could claim bragging rights when someone found it. There was a spent .222 casing found at the site in 1987 by John Rademacher and it matched his description exactly. Analysis of the hull estimated it had likely been in the ground for 24 years as claimed. Skeptics scoff this off as an obvious hoax, but that's because they are conspiracy denialists 1st and critical thinkers 2nd.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/Fireball.jpg)
Given the original assumption that this was a conspiracy and Oswald was not a LN, IMO James Files is an excellent candidate to be one of the shooters, of which there were several.
Or maybe some people actually did research, and they learned that the bullets found in 1987 weren't actually manufactured until 1971. Or so the employees at Remington say when I got a copy of the head bunter matrix for the .222 shells, which proves Files is full of spombleprofglidnoctobuns.
And a critical thinker would know the minute they heard the shells were buried in the dirt, it was bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns. Do you really think Files placed a shell on the fence and nobody saw or found it for 24 years? Even though the police searched that area and tourists have been going there ever since? The shells went so unnoticed that they buried themselves in the dirt, right? And that's critical thinking? smh
Does anyone truly believe that Files would be let out of jail if he killed the President? Because I'm pretty sure there's no statute of limitations on murder. If you openly admit to murdering someone, your dumb ass will go to jail for it. Unless the police know you're full of crap.
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Files said that he was an insurance shooter shooting from the front because the other shooters were all behind JFK's Limo and at a certain point the head shot had not been made , so Files took his shot. As Files told the story of what happened that day , he said he was aiming for JFK's right eye , but a shot from behind hitting JFK in the upper back , just a split second before Files shot hit JFK made him lower his head and lunge somewhat forward making Files shot hit JFK in the right temple . The Limo had come to a stop during the sequence of shots but there are those who said the Limo never stopped .
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Files said that he was an insurance shooter shooting from the front because the other shooters were all behind JFK's Limo and at a certain point the head shot had not been made , so Files took his shot. As Files told the story of what happened that day , he said he was aiming for JFK's right eye , but a shot from behind hitting JFK in the upper back , just a split second before Files shot hit JFK made him lower his head and lunge somewhat forward making Files shot hit JFK in the right temple . The Limo had come to a stop during the sequence of shots but there are those who said the Limo never stopped .
Files is a liar. His shells were discovered in 1987, manufactured in 1971. Unless Files is a time traveler who took shells from 1971 back to 1963, he's full of spombleprofglidnoctobuns. And the shooters were in the pergola, neither of which are James Files. If he had any knowledge of the incident, other than what he read in a book, he would have known where the real shooters were. He's nothing but a con man. The FBI didn't even take him seriously or he'd still be in jail. There's no statute of limitation on murder, and if you're dumb enough to confess to a murder, you'll be going to jail. These things aren't rocket science.
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I think the claim would be more accurately described as motion behind the window rather than “someone in the window”.
Coupled with the video and Brennan and Normans description its far more evidence than we have for anyone behind the fence.
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Coupled with the video and Brennan and Normans description its far more evidence than we have for anyone behind the fence.
No, there are witnesses for both. You’re just choosing which ones you want to believe.
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Files is a liar. His shells were discovered in 1987, manufactured in 1971. Unless Files is a time traveler who took shells from 1971 back to 1963, he's full of spombleprofglidnoctobuns. And the shooters were in the pergola, neither of which are James Files. If he had any knowledge of the incident, other than what he read in a book, he would have known where the real shooters were. He's nothing but a con man. The FBI didn't even take him seriously or he'd still be in jail. There's no statute of limitation on murder, and if you're dumb enough to confess to a murder, you'll be going to jail. These things aren't rocket science.
First, let's see your proof. Second, why would conman Files plant a hull from the wrong time? Third, you assume that Files knew the planted hull was a hoax, which you don't. Fourth, how did Files know JFK was struck by a frangible bullet a split second after a bullet struck him from the front causing his head to move back and to the left?
It's not just about the spent hull with his bite mark, which I will reserve judgement on until you post your analysis disqualifying it. Files knew details re the Turkey Shoot, which IMO were borne out many years later. Otherwise, bragging rights aside, I don't see what was in it for him other than a book deal, which never materialized. This case can never be resolved while the conspiracy deniers keep sweeping all potential evidence under the rug in a rush to judgement.
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Coupled with the video and Brennan and Normans description its far more evidence than we have for anyone behind the fence.
It was James Files' twin brother
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As far as the ' Government ' is concerned , Lee Harvey Oswald was the Lone Nut killer of JFK & JD Tippit . The 26 volumes of the Warren Report was supposed to satisfy ' Most " but unfortunately here we are 57 years later still talking about this so called ' Solved Case of the Assassination of JFK ' ! Whether Files might have shot JFK that day , really doesn't matter at all ! Most will not believe the story that Files has told and as far as most are concerned , the Warren Report puts it all out in front of us like we were a bunch of sheep . Is the Assassination of JFK a ' Closed Case ' ? Does anyone know ?
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.... how did Files know JFK was struck by a frangible bullet a split second after a bullet struck him from the front causing his head to move back and to the left?
Mike Orr actually stated that a shot to the back of the head happened first....And I agree. If the autopsy photos are legit [showing a hole just a bit left of center] and the Zapruder image seems to show it forward/back in an blink. As Files told the story of what happened that day , he said he was aiming for JFK's right eye , but a shot from behind hitting JFK in the upper back , just a split second before Files shot hit JFK made him lower his head and lunge somewhat forward making Files shot hit JFK in the right temple. The Limo had come to a stop during the sequence of shots but there are those who said the Limo never stopped.
Consensus was that the driver did hit the brakes...but I would have too if I thought I was driving into an ambush.
I also think Umbrella Man and the "Cuban" next to him were signal guys and would like to what Files said about them [if anything]...Not that I completely believe Files either.
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As far as the ' Government ' is concerned , Lee Harvey Oswald was the Lone Nut killer of JFK & JD Tippit . The 26 volumes of the Warren Report was supposed to satisfy ' Most " but unfortunately here we are 57 years later still talking about this so called ' Solved Case of the Assassination of JFK ' ! Whether Files might have shot JFK that day , really doesn't matter at all ! Most will not believe the story that Files has told and as far as most are concerned , the Warren Report puts it all out in front of us like we were a bunch of sheep . Is the Assassination of JFK a ' Closed Case ' ? Does anyone know ?
Gerald Posner thinks he does. Huie's book "He Slew the Dreamer" sells for upwards of $90.00...Posner's "Killing the Dream" [play on the title] you can pick up on Amazon for $1.75 :-\
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Mike Orr actually stated that a shot to the back of the head happened first....And I agree. If the autopsy photos are legit [showing a hole just a bit left of center] and the Zapruder image seems to show it forward/back in an blink.
If the autopsy photo was real then it would show a fist-sized gaping hole in the right occipital region of JFK's head. But we don't see that. Instead it shows what they want you to see, which is 1 shot from behind and no hole in the back of his head. I have no idea how they faked the photos, but it was easy enough to do back then. And before they were faking photos they were performing post-mortem surgery.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/postsurgery.jpg)
There may have been a simultaneous shot from behind but I doubt that it struck JFK's head without pushing it forward significantly, unless its forward momentum was counteracted by a shot from the front. However, IMO, there was too much backward motion for that to be the case.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/BackLeft.gif)
I count 2 near simultaneous shots at appox. Z-312, the first one from the direction of the overpass that entered the right side of JFK's hairline and blew a hole out of the back of his head. This sent his head violently backward.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg)
Files recalls that his shot from the knoll happened a split second after the frontal shot and he claimed to have used a Fireball hand-rifle which shot frangible bullets. His shot caused the right temple to blowout when the bullet exploded in JFK's head.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
Consensus was that the driver did hit the brakes...but I would have too if I thought I was driving into an ambush.
No you wouldn't. At least 2 shots had been fired and you knew you were already under attack. Nobody in their right mind would slow the limo to a near stop, turn to look back at JFK and watch him get his head blown off and only then decide to skedaddle outta Dodge. The Turkey Shoot Point was precisely where Greer slowed the limo down to. It was designed to be orthogonal to Files' position at the knoll. There was even a painted marking on the curb across Elm at the exact TSP, which Greer coincidentally nearly stopped at. Greer must have skimmed over the SS manual re what to do when the POTUS is under attack.
I also think Umbrella Man and the "Cuban" next to him were signal guys and would like to what Files said about them [if anything]...Not that I completely believe Files either.
Umbrella man and Co. were definitely signalling that JFK was still alive and the Turkey Shoot was on. And sure Files could be BSing, but he seems to know some interesting details about the shooting. Maybe he's stolen the real shooter's story, who knows? But he is by far the best candidate for the knoll shooter, if you believe there was one.
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Also...ear witnesses at the scene described a ba-bam sound indicated as one report by others.
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No, there are witnesses for both. You’re just choosing which ones you want to believe.
Eye witnesses?
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If the autopsy photo was real then it would show a fist-sized gaping hole in the right occipital region of JFK's head. But we don't see that. Instead it shows what they want you to see, which is 1 shot from behind and no hole in the back of his head. I have no idea how they faked the photos, but it was easy enough to do back then. And before they were faking photos they were performing post-mortem surgery.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/postsurgery.jpg)
There may have been a simultaneous shot from behind but I doubt that it struck JFK's head without pushing it forward significantly, unless its forward momentum was counteracted by a shot from the front. However, IMO, there was too much backward motion for that to be the case.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/BackLeft.gif)
I count 2 near simultaneous shots at appox. Z-312, the first one from the direction of the overpass that entered the right side of JFK's hairline and blew a hole out of the back of his head. This sent his head violently backward.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/TrainOverpassTurkeyShoot.jpg)
Files recalls that his shot from the knoll happened a split second after the frontal shot and he claimed to have used a Fireball hand-rifle which shot frangible bullets. His shot caused the right temple to blowout when the bullet exploded in JFK's head.
(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout2.jpg)
No you wouldn't. At least 2 shots had been fired and you knew you were already under attack. Nobody in their right mind would slow the limo to a near stop, turn to look back at JFK and watch him get his head blown off and only then decide to skedaddle outta Dodge. The Turkey Shoot Point was precisely where Greer slowed the limo down to. It was designed to be orthogonal to Files' position at the knoll. There was even a painted marking on the curb across Elm at the exact TSP, which Greer coincidentally nearly stopped at. Greer must have skimmed over the SS manual re what to do when the POTUS is under attack.
Umbrella man and Co. were definitely signalling that JFK was still alive and the Turkey Shoot was on. And sure Files could be BSing, but he seems to know some interesting details about the shooting. Maybe he's stolen the real shooter's story, who knows? But he is by far the best candidate for the knoll shooter, if you believe there was one.
Let's remember that the autopsy photos the general public has access to eyeballing were "bootlegged". You, Me, & Joe 6 Pack has No Idea WHAT we are looking at or WHERE it really came from. Let's also Remember that the HSCA SEALED the sworn Testimony of White House Photog Robert L. Knudsen. Knudsen had a High Security Clearance and the day after the assassination he was In Charge of the developing of the JFK Autopsy Photos. Knudsen gave HSCA Testimony as to seeing Autopsy Photo(s) showing Probe(s) in the body of JFK. His testimony was Immediately Sealed/Removed from the public record. There are currently No Known JFK Autopsy Photos showing Probes in the body of JFK.
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Eye witnesses?
Eye witnesses and earwitnesses.
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Files said that he was an insurance shooter shooting from the front because the other shooters were all behind JFK's Limo and at a certain point the head shot had not been made , so Files took his shot. As Files told the story of what happened that day , he said he was aiming for JFK's right eye , but a shot from behind hitting JFK in the upper back , just a split second before Files shot hit JFK made him lower his head and lunge somewhat forward making Files shot hit JFK in the right temple . The Limo had come to a stop during the sequence of shots but there are those who said the Limo never stopped .
Files said it so it must be true
His sister remains surprised
What other shooters, exactly
Oh, yeah... the men with no names
In the upper back, or the lower neck?
Or at the junction where the back meets the neck?
No bias there, huh.
I heard that some attendees who claim a work stoppage
on Greer's part were located to the rear of the sitting
(and-by-then lame) duck. And did the brake lights inform,
or the sunlight confuse?
My head hurts. Sorta. Kinda. Not really.
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LNers: "somebody would have talked"
Somebody talks.
LNers: "he's a liar!"
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Files said it so it must be true
His sister remains surprised
What other shooters, exactly
Oh, yeah... the men with no names
In the upper back, or the lower neck?
Or at the junction where the back meets the neck?
No bias there, huh.
I heard that some attendees who claim a work stoppage
on Greer's part were located to the rear of the sitting
(and-by-then lame) duck. And did the brake lights inform,
or the sunlight confuse?
My head hurts. Sorta. Kinda. Not really.
If you believe the Autopsy Photos, it is the "Upper Back". If you believe the Autopsy Face Sheet, it is the "Upper Back". If you believe neither, it is "Made Up".
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Somebody talked about a twin brother
Somebody's sister remains surprised
A number of nobodies became somebodies in Dealey Plaza that day
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Somebody talked about a twin brother
Somebody's sister remains surprised
Somebody likes to talk in riddles.
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If you believe the Autopsy Photos, it is the "Upper Back". If you believe the Autopsy Face Sheet, it is the "Upper Back". If you believe neither, it is "Made Up".
I spy with my little eye a 14cm x 14cm entry on the face sheet. And don't ya just love those old-time CT last-resort favs faked, planted, or altered-in-some way waltzes?
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I spy with my little eye a 14cm x 14cm entry on the face sheet. And don't ya just love those old-time CT last-resort favs faked, planted, or altered-in-some way waltzes?
The above is what you get when a Cyclops attempts to Scrutinize Anything. BS:
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Somebody likes to bait
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The above is what you get when a Cyclops attempts to Scrutinize Anything. BS:
Thanks so much for leaving me with half my eyesight.
I had no idea. I did not see that coming and now I know why.
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According to the Files confession, the JFK assassination was carried out by
Chicago mob hit man, Charles "Chuckie" Nicoletti on orders from boss Sam
Giancana. ".(Richard) Cain and Nicoletti were actual gunmen for the hit."
wrote Giancana's brother Chuck in his 1992 book Double Cross (pp. 334-335).
Files said the hit team originally was to be Nicoletti and mobster Johnny
Roselli. Files himself was only to have transported weapons to Dallas and
acted as driver. But, according to Files, Roselli arrived in Dallas early on
the morning of November 22, 1963, by means of a "military flight". Roselli
said the CIA had sent an "abort team" to Dallas to stop the assassination
and he declined to participate saying they would all be killed. Undaunted by
Roselli's fears, Nicoletti decided to move ahead with the carefully-laid
plans and so asked Files --- a man who had been his driver and confederate
in several other jobs --- to back him up. Many critics have questioned why
Files at such a young age and not being a "made" Mafia man would have been
included on something as important as the JFK assassination. This is a very
good question but it appears answered in this account of Files' last-minute
substitution after Roselli suddenly backed out, fearful of being killed by
an "abort team".
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJ7h58zz/giancana1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxrzVpjL/giancana2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RV5dZxmM/giancana3.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7hZgpFtg/giancana4.jpg)
Would the man who called the hit on JFK, the American president, be some dumb as to meet up with an alleged trigger-man just a few months after the hit?
Files said he removed the Fireball's scope to look around the plaza. Horsespombleprofglidnoctobuns.
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Would the man who called the hit on JFK, the American president, be some dumb as to meet up with an alleged trigger-man just a few months after the hit?
Files said he removed the Fireball's scope to look around the plaza. Horsespombleprofglidnoctobuns.
Hey Robert, good to see you posting. OT question, recalling an earlier discussion with you. Regarding a "silver lining," in an otherwise grim news stream, isn't it bitter irony that the one saving grace of this modern day virus plague now descending on both our nations, likely that the consequences of the virus itself may include a face saving "out" for those who supported Brexit, because the economic damage caused by the contagion will be impossible to isolate from that resulting from Brexit?
Conversely, the UK has divorced itself from being directly on the hook for the impending economic collapse of Italy and quite possibly, of Spain?
IOW, there is a reasonable chance Brexit was the best, on the limited menu of unpleasant choices, but not for the reasons supporters of it embraced when they voted?
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Hey Robert, good to see you posting. OT question, recalling an earlier discussion with you. Regarding a "silver lining," in an otherwise grim news stream, isn't it bitter irony that the one saving grace of this modern day virus plague now descending on both our nations, likely that the consequences of the virus itself may include a face saving "out" for those who supported Brexit, because the economic damage caused by the contagion will be impossible to isolate from that resulting from Brexit?
Conversely, the UK has divorced itself from being directly on the hook for the impending economic collapse of Italy and quite possibly, of Spain?
IOW, there is a reasonable chance Brexit was the best, on the limited menu of unpleasant choices, but not for the reasons supporters of it embraced when they voted?
Hey Tom, yeah these are grim times matey. I would agree with much of what you say re Brexit. We should be in a strong[er] position, presumably we now can make independent emergency fiscal, border movement decisions, unfortunately I can report we find ourselves ruled by what can only be described as a complete spombleprofglidnoctobunshouse moron that doesn't seem to take seriously the advice from experts - and prevent group gatherings, traveling, and to screen all visitors from Italy/China. I don't feel good about this at all. Apparently Boris has been convinced of a cunning plan called 'Herd Immunity'. Where upon almost everybody gets infected and somehow that slows down the virus. Oh and lots of old people die. Apparently this is a Tory wet dream. So yeah happy days. Just a bit worrying when your mother has high blood pressure and in her early 70s. Stiff upper lip and all that. Hope you're well.
BTW, humidifiers are good in this unholy situation. https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-069X-9-55 (https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-069X-9-55)
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Conversely, the UK has divorced itself from being directly on the hook for the impending economic collapse of Italy and quite possibly, of Spain?
IOW, there is a reasonable chance Brexit was the best, on the limited menu of unpleasant choices, but not for the reasons supporters of it embraced when they voted?
True. The British can print their own money. The Italians cant. The Spanish can't. And here's what the Italians think of the EU now: