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Title: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 04, 2018, 06:17:35 PM
Disclaimer: I will no longer respond to any posts that are off topic and/or meant to derail the issue of the opening post. This should not be taken as me running, but instead seen as me keeping the topic on track.

I have no issue with any WC defender, therefore, I am happy to discuss the case in a manner that uses the actual evidence with them. IF the WC was correct in their final conclusion as they claim then this should be no problem for them.

I will not participate in any personal discussions with them as these are meant to distract and discredit instead of focusing on the JFK assassination. I come here to discuss and learn about the JFK assassination and nothing more.

No more games with the LNers. The LNers have to to discuss the WC's, HSCA's and ARRB's evidence or move along.

One would think IF the assassination occurred as the WC said then the LNers would welcome the opportunity to discuss and refute the posts in this series, but they seem more determined to have the posts stopped. I think that this shows that the WC's version of events is not correct.

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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ordered a .38 S&W Special revolver, but failed to supply any evidence supporting this claim. They further claimed that the weapon was delivered to his Dallas P.O. Box, but again failed to support this claim with evidence.

It is up to you LNers to do this. Cite your supporting evidence for the WC's claim.

By the way, LNers voting that they have provided supporting evidence for the WC claim is NOT the same as actually providing supporting evidence.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 05, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
Still no response from the LNers when they were anxious to discuss this in the previous post in this series. Hmm.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 05, 2018, 09:03:23 PM
 Well, it seems that the LNers have NO supporting evidence for the WC claim. Thus, they are shutting up. 👍
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 07, 2018, 03:31:52 AM
Why did the LNers fight a losing battle over the alleged pistol order when they cannot even show that CE 143 was delivered to LHO's Dallas P.O. Box?
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Tim Nickerson on June 08, 2018, 04:12:39 AM
 Walk:
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 08, 2018, 04:23:18 AM
The LNers are sunk on this issue. They are all in lifeboats. 🚣
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 08, 2018, 04:37:04 PM
They believe that CE 143 was delivered to Oswald because he shot Tippit with it.  And they believe he was the one who shot Tippit because CE 143 was delivered to him.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 08, 2018, 05:11:21 PM
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They believe that CE 143 was delivered to Oswald because he shot Tippit with it.  And they believe he was the one who shot Tippit because CE 143 was delivered to him.

Circular logic at its best. They are sunk because there is the matter of the C.O.D. for the alleged pistol order. The pistol would not have been delivered WITHOUT payment, and yet, that is exactly what the WC claimed and its supporters argue.

If I am incorrect then they should put forth their supporting evidence.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Bill Brown on June 09, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:
(https://i.imgur.com/o5hV5D5.jpg)
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Bill Chapman on June 09, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
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Disclaimer: I will no longer respond to any posts that are off topic and/or meant to derail the issue of the opening post. This should not be taken as me running, but instead seen as me keeping the topic on track.

I have no issue with any WC defender, therefore, I am happy to discuss the case in a manner that uses the actual evidence with them. IF the WC was correct in their final conclusion as they claim then this should be no problem for them.

I will not participate in any personal discussions with them as these are meant to distract and discredit instead of focusing on the JFK assassination. I come here to discuss and learn about the JFK assassination and nothing more.

No more games with the LNers. The LNers have to to discuss the WC's, HSCA's and ARRB's evidence or move along.

One would think IF the assassination occurred as the WC said then the LNers would welcome the opportunity to discuss and refute the posts in this series, but they seem more determined to have the posts stopped. I think that this shows that the WC's version of events is not correct.

****************************************

The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ordered a .38 S&W Special revolver, but failed to supply any evidence supporting this claim. They further claimed that the weapon was delivered to his Dallas P.O. Box, but again failed to support this claim with evidence.

It is up to you LNers to do this. Cite your supporting evidence for the WC's claim.

By the way, LNers voting that they have provided supporting evidence for the WC claim is NOT the same as actually providing supporting evidence.

Sour grapes. And why did so few CTers even show up to vote, Rob? Get over yourself.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Gary Craig on June 09, 2018, 02:51:23 AM
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The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:
(https://i.imgur.com/o5hV5D5.jpg)

Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 09, 2018, 03:35:52 AM
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The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:
(https://i.imgur.com/o5hV5D5.jpg)

Baloney. It was never supported that LHO ever used the alias A.J. Hidell. Furthermore, CE 135 shows that LHO would NOT have ordered a .38 S&W Special. You have to claim once again that LHO received a weapon that he did NOT order. Sure.

You have the matter of the C.O.D..Can you show that LHO paid this?

Then of course you have to explain how a weapon addressed to A.J Hidell would be delivered to LHO when he NEVER listed such a person to receive mail there. Well?

Finally, isn't it odd that LHO would allegedly spend more on a pistol than a rifle? Especially when you LNers claim he purchased the rifle to kill EAW and JFK.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 09, 2018, 03:38:47 AM
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Sour grapes. And why did so few CTers even show up to vote, Rob? Get over yourself.

Still unable to focus on the topic, huh? Why are you here when you never want to discuss the evidence?
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Tim Nickerson on June 09, 2018, 03:42:45 AM
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Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Gary Craig on June 09, 2018, 03:55:09 AM
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Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

There is no other court case where the defendant was murdered/lynched while in custody and then not

allowed legal representation while being skewered in front of a Kangaroo Court.  Well actually there is but I

don't speak Russian or Chinese.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Tim Nickerson on June 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
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There is no other court case where the defendant was murdered/lynched while in custody and then not

allowed legal representation while being skewered in front of a Kangaroo Court.  Well actually there is but I

don't speak Russian or Chinese.

What does that have to do with the question at hand? You claimed that handwriting interpretation is subjective. That it is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact, and a contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Gary Craig on June 09, 2018, 04:19:34 AM
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What does that have to do with the question at hand? You claimed that handwriting interpretation is subjective. That it is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact, and a contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

Not gonna happen.

That's your 2nd post on the subject.

Obviously it struck a nerve.

Nothing I posted is untrue.

Do your own research.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Bill Brown on June 09, 2018, 04:30:15 AM
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What does that have to do with the question at hand? You claimed that handwriting interpretation is subjective. That it is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact, and a contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

(https://i.imgur.com/P5ZEkPH.jpg)
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Gary Craig on June 09, 2018, 04:33:56 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/P5ZEkPH.jpg)

Bill Brown sprains his ear jumping into the conversation.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Bill Chapman on June 09, 2018, 04:36:18 AM
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Still unable to focus on the topic, huh? Why are you here when you never want to discuss the evidence?

You said LNers voted against you because we are being dishonest. That sounds like you only want to engage with those that agree with you. Perhaps you should try a strictly CT forum.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 10, 2018, 02:55:29 AM
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You said LNers voted against you because we are being dishonest. That sounds like you only want to engage with those that agree with you. Perhaps you should try a strictly CT forum.

More falsehoods. I want LNers to cite SUPPORTING evidence for the WC claim that they endorse so wholeheartedly. The title of the series is pretty clear.

For the record there are no strictly CT forums as some claim to be CTers, but they aren't.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on June 14, 2018, 05:08:50 PM
EIGHT LNers voted that they have provided supporting evidence for the WC claim in this thread. 😅🤣😂😀😃

Can anyone point me to it? Talk about total dishonesty.

😛
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Bill Brown on June 15, 2018, 07:55:20 AM
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The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:
(https://i.imgur.com/o5hV5D5.jpg)

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Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation.

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Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

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BUMP for Gary Craig.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 10, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
Cadigan based his opinion on two (different) letter Ds and one number 5.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Mytton on July 10, 2018, 10:46:54 PM
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Cadigan based his opinion on two (different) letter Ds and one number 5.


Mr. EISENBERG. And that would be Cadigan Exhibit No. 12.
(The document referred to was marked Cadigan Exhibit No. 12.)
Mr. EISENBERG. This was taken by you or under your supervision?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. It is an accurate photograph of Exhibit No. 135?
Mr. CADIGAN. It is.
Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Cadigan, did you compare Commission Exhibit No. 135 with the standard or known writings of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes; I did.
Mr. EISENBERG. What was your conclusion as to the origin of 135?
Mr. CADIGAN. That it was written by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. EISENBERG. And can you give some of the reasons that led you to form that conclusion?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes; here again, it is the presence of the same combination of individual handwriting characteristics, both handwriting and handprinting.
For example, again the wording "Dallas, Texas," is handprinted on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, and the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8. The formation of the individual letters on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, the spacing of the letters, the proportions of the letters, were found to be the same as on the known standards.
Additionally, the capital letter "D" in the name "Drittal" on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12 has a rather unusual appearance in the upper portion of the letter in that it is very pointed and wedge-shaped, and I found this same shape present on the reverse side of the passport application on Cadigan Exhibit No. 10, page 2 in the word "Dec."
Again, I noted the rather long tail or ending stroke on the number "5" in the address portion of this exhibit. Again, based on finding the same combination of individual handwriting habits in the questioned and known writings, I concluded that Commission Exhibit No. 135 was written by Lee Harvey Oswald.


(https://s15.postimg.cc/tsq9y3k2j/Cadigan_ex_12.jpg)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/oilb6lhrf/cadigan_ex_6.jpg)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/me0y5inuj/cadigan_ex_7.jpg)

(https://s15.postimg.cc/d68pot1cr/cadigan_ex_8.jpg)



JohnM
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on July 10, 2018, 10:56:53 PM
The only evidence cited by the LNers actually shows a weapon DIFFERENT from CE 143 would have been ordered if the order form is legitimate. And that is a big if.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 10, 2018, 11:03:56 PM
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For example, again the wording "Dallas, Texas," is handprinted on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, and the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8. The formation of the individual letters on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, the spacing of the letters, the proportions of the letters, were found to be the same as on the known standards.

That's meaningless.  What letters?  What proportions?  What standards?
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 10, 2018, 11:06:46 PM
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The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.

This is flat out false.  Railway Express didn't ship anything to PO boxes.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Mytton on July 10, 2018, 11:10:32 PM
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That's meaningless.  What letters?  What proportions?  What standards?


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That's meaningless.

 :D

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What letters?

DALLAS TEXAS

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What standards?

the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8.



JohnM

Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 11, 2018, 05:26:43 PM
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the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8.

LOL.  The words "Dallas, Texas" don't appear on exhibit 9 at all (which is why you conveniently left it out of your above post), and as you aptly showed, the "Dallas, Texas" on exhibit 6 looks nothing like the order coupon.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Mytton on July 12, 2018, 03:33:22 AM
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LOL.  The words "Dallas, Texas" don't appear on exhibit 9 at all (which is why you conveniently left it out of your above post),




Too late John, your initial post where you said there was only a small amount of similarities, which makes no difference anyway, was yet another Iacoletti fabrication, next time familiarize yourself with the evidence or maybe start using the actual evidence in your responses because you seem to do these exaggerations with monotonous regularity

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and as you aptly showed, the "Dallas, Texas" on exhibit 6 looks nothing like the order coupon.

Who cares what you think you see, we'll always default to an expert and btw your reluctance to point out the obvious similarities in this evidence does zero for your impartial credibility.



JohnM
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on July 12, 2018, 03:54:37 AM
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Too late John, your initial post where you said there was only a small amount of similarities, which makes no difference anyway, was yet another Iacoletti fabrication, next time familiarize yourself with the evidence or maybe start using the actual evidence in your responses because you seem to do these exaggerations with monotonous regularity

Who cares what you think you see, we'll always default to an expert and btw your reluctance to point out the obvious similarities in this evidence does zero for your impartial credibility.



JohnM

Meanwhile, the alleged order form does NOT show a weapon like CE 143 being ordered. Game over.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Mytton on July 12, 2018, 04:53:29 AM
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Meanwhile, the alleged order form does NOT show a weapon like CE 143 being ordered. Game over.




The order form must show some sort of weapon, show us what the order form weapon is supposed to be.



JohnM
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Gary Craig on July 12, 2018, 03:36:10 PM
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Quote from: Gary Craig on June 09, 2018, 02:51:23 AM
"Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation."


Quote from: Tim Nickerson on June 09, 2018, 03:42:45 AM
"Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense."


1st show me a court case where a dead defendant, who was murdered while in custody, never talked to a

lawyer and isn't represented by one at any time, is successfully implicated by hand writing science.

The WC wasn't a court and had no prosecutorial mandate.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Michael Capasse on July 12, 2018, 03:42:38 PM
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Meanwhile, the alleged order form does NOT show a weapon like CE 143 being ordered. Game over.

same as the rifle Rob.
you don't know what weapon you'll get
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on July 12, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
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The order form must show some sort of weapon, show us what the order form weapon is supposed to be.



JohnM

Already have. The main point is that it does NOT show a weapon like CE 143 being ordered.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Rob Caprio on July 12, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
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same as the rifle Rob.
you don't know what weapon you'll get

Yep Michael. The WC expected us to believe that twice LHO received a weapon that he did not order.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 12, 2018, 11:13:12 PM
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Too late John, your initial post where you said there was only a small amount of similarities, which makes no difference anyway, was yet another Iacoletti fabrication, next time familiarize yourself with the evidence or maybe start using the actual evidence in your responses because you seem to do these exaggerations with monotonous regularity

That's absolute nonsense.  I said he based his identification on two different capital Ds and a number 5.  The vague meaningless statement you found about the spacing and proportions of unspecified letters compared with unspecified standards changes nothing.

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Who cares what you think you see, we'll always default to an expert and btw your reluctance to point out the obvious similarities in this evidence does zero for your impartial credibility.

Translation:  "expert" surmises it, Mytton believes it, and that settles it.  Just like with ol' Moon Crater Cecil Kirk.  Except of course for those experts who Mytton doesn't believe.  That's different.

And who's "we"?
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 12, 2018, 11:14:08 PM
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same as the rifle Rob.
you don't know what weapon you'll get

You get whatever weapon the FBI decides that you got.
Title: Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
Post by: Michael Capasse on July 12, 2018, 11:15:35 PM
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You get whatever weapon the FBI decides that you got.

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