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Title: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on May 14, 2018, 07:49:10 PM
Dr. Malcolm Perry - First surgeon to attend to President Kennedy at Parkland Memorial Hospital. 
At the 0:50 seconds mark , Perry speaks of a Large wound of JFK's head in the "Right Posterior " area.
I don't remember Dr. Perry ever giving a location of a large head wound to the posterior area .
It seems like we are being given more information every year, which makes the Warren Commission look really bad, which it should look after what their 26 volumes set out to do!
A few years back I started noticing that as the limo was leaving the Love Field area they started to show the SS agent throw up his hands in frustration when he was called back to the car that the SS agents rode in behind JFK's Limo . His frustration was noticeable because he thought they were supposed to do their job and surround the President for security reasons . Apparently not!

Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on May 15, 2018, 03:55:42 AM
Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. 2 - page 141

Mr. Specter - What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on his arrival at the hospital?

Mr. Hill  --  The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.  This is testimony of Clint Hill .

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Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Louis Earl on May 16, 2018, 03:34:48 AM
I've always wondered if Jackie's Warren Commission testimony coincided with Clint Hill's and likewise showed the fakery of the autopsy photos.  A good reason to keep her testimony under wraps for so many years.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 25, 2018, 07:23:28 AM
Just a reminder that many witnesses were intimidate into changing their original stories

?I told the FBI what I had heard [two shots from behind the grassy knoll fence], but they said it couldn?t have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I just didn?t want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family.?

? Kennedy aide Kenneth O?Donnell, quoted by House Speaker Thomas P. ?Tip? O?Neill Jr. in ?Man of the House,? p. 178. O?Donnell was riding in the Secret Service follow-up car with Dave Powers, who was present and told O?Neill he had the same recollection.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 25, 2018, 12:23:07 PM
Just a reminder that many witnesses were intimidate into changing their original stories

?I told the FBI what I had heard [two shots from behind the grassy knoll fence], but they said it couldn?t have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I just didn?t want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family.?

? Kennedy aide Kenneth O?Donnell, quoted by House Speaker Thomas P. ?Tip? O?Neill Jr. in ?Man of the House,? p. 178. O?Donnell was riding in the Secret Service follow-up car with Dave Powers, who was present and told O?Neill he had the same recollection.

That's according to Tip O'Neill. He made a similar claim about Dave Powers. Powers denied it.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Steve Logan on May 25, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
That's according to Tip O'Neill. He made a similar claim about Dave Powers. Powers denied it.

Some of the conspiracy nutbags think O'Donnell was in on the plot. :D
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Steve Barber on May 25, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
I've always wondered if Jackie's Warren Commission testimony coincided with Clint Hill's and likewise showed the fakery of the autopsy photos.  A good reason to keep her testimony under wraps for so many years.

Her testimony was never kept under wraps. Only a small portion--the reference to the head wound--were not included.

 I urge you, however, to read her graphic description of the head wound within 7 days(not 7 months later) of the assassination  during her interview with Theodore White.  She clearly states where the head wound was located.  I'll give you a hint: It isn't the back of the head.   http://www.jfklancer.com/pdf/Camelot.pdf
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Bill Chapman on May 25, 2018, 06:03:32 PM
... during her interview with Theodore White.  She clearly states where the head wound was located.

Top, behind the forehead.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 25, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
Some of the conspiracy nutbags think O'Donnell was in on the plot. :D

If he gave into intimidation he was
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: John Iacoletti on May 25, 2018, 08:55:09 PM
That's according to Tip O'Neill. He made a similar claim about Dave Powers. Powers denied it.

Add Tip O'Neill to the LN Cavalcade of Liars.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 26, 2018, 01:20:06 AM
If he gave into intimidation he was

He didn't give into intimidation. In a June 15, 1975 article in the Chicago Tribune, headlined "Probe of agency raises new questions in slaying of JFK", O'Donnell was quoted responding to the charge that he and Dave Powers had been pressured by the FBI to change or omit anything from their testimonies: "The story is an absolute lie,... whoever gave that story is lying. It's an absolute, outright lie.... I spent four hours before the commission and my testimony is quite clear. I told them exactly what I saw. I was in charge of the whole operation so I know what happened. I arranged the whole trip...I testified under oath and I stand by it."
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Steve Logan on May 26, 2018, 02:42:47 AM
He didn't give into intimidation. In a June 15, 1975 article in the Chicago Tribune, headlined "Probe of agency raises new questions in slaying of JFK", O'Donnell was quoted responding to the charge that he and Dave Powers had been pressured by the FBI to change or omit anything from their testimonies: "The story is an absolute lie,... whoever gave that story is lying. It's an absolute, outright lie.... I spent four hours before the commission and my testimony is quite clear. I told them exactly what I saw. I was in charge of the whole operation so I know what happened. I arranged the whole trip...I testified under oath and I stand by it."

These new nuts are a different strain of nutty.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Louis Earl on May 26, 2018, 02:51:20 AM
I'm aware of what the told Ted White ("I was trying to hold his head on") but her testimony ABOUT THE HEAD WOUND before the Warren Commission is hidden away for I forget how many more years.

And, if her WC testimony was similar to what she told Ted White (for the kids in the audience this was during the same conversation where the 2 of them created the whole Camelot myth out of thin air) that means her testimony differed from Clint Hill's as much as could be possible. 
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 26, 2018, 02:58:13 AM
These new nuts are a different strain of nutty.

Hi Steve. How are things in the Boston States?
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Steve Logan on May 26, 2018, 03:41:47 AM
Hi Steve. How are things in the Boston States?

Hot as hell today.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 26, 2018, 03:47:52 AM
 Are we suggesting that no one was intimidated in one way or another Robert O Canada and Stringer come to mind,
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 26, 2018, 03:48:17 AM
Hot as hell today.

I don't doubt it. Was down there in August of 90. Made a visit to Old Sturbridge Village. Felt like I was going to die from heat exhaustion.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 26, 2018, 03:49:43 AM
Are we suggesting that no one was intimidated in one way or another Robert O Canada and Stringer come to mind,

Your claim was that O'Donnell was intimidated into committing perjury.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Steve Logan on May 26, 2018, 03:57:10 AM
Your claim was that O'Donnell was intimidated into committing perjury.

These guys have no idea of the basic religious devotion Powers and O'Donnell had for the Kennedys.

As far as Tip O'Neil is concerned , Boston + Irish + Catholic + Politician + Alcohol = Mountains of malarkey .
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 26, 2018, 04:02:15 AM
These guys have no idea of the basic religious devotion Powers and O'Donnell had for the Kennedys.

As far as Tip O'Neil is concerned , Boston + Irish + Catholic + Politician + Alcohol = Mountains of malarkey .

 ;D


Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 26, 2018, 08:28:01 PM
Your claim was that O'Donnell was intimidated into committing perjury.

Not claiming anything Just trying to understand the facts as they appear with an overlay that intimidation existed in many cases around this event I am aware this will open me up to being charged with wishy waspombleprofglidnoctobunsy, but I prefer that to being dogmatic
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Susan Wilde on May 26, 2018, 10:05:48 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20121218115539/http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller34.1.html

(Quote for the 11-22-63 relevant information by Dr. Donald Miller, who worked with President Kennedy's Parkland trauma room #1 Dr. Malcolm Perry, after Perry left Dallas)

Quote
In my third year of medical school, I was having lunch in the large dining room at Harvard's Vanderbilt Hall on a Friday afternoon in November when a fellow student ran in and yelled that President Kennedy had been shot.  Everyone alive on November 22, 1963 (and old enough to understand what had happened) remembers where they were and what they were doing when they heard this.  And like everyone else I knew, I was stunned by his murder.  It has spurred me over the years to study the Kennedy assassination, beginning with Josiah Thompson's  Six Seconds in Dallas.  With the government's continued defense of the lone-gunman theory it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that the government is lying to the American public.  (The mainstream media also continues to support and advance the lone-gunman theory, and it dismisses or ignores growing evidence that Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy.)


Dr. Malcolm Perry performed the tracheostomy on President Kennedy at Parkland hospital after he was shot.  Dr. Perry and I worked together for a time in the 1970s when he came to Seattle and joined the University of Washington surgical faculty.  Knowing my interest in the Kennedy assassination, he reaffirmed to me that the bullet hole in Kennedy's neck (through which he performed the tracheostomy) was a wound of
entrance.


This means that an assassin in front of the limousine shot the president, which contradicts the Warren Commission's lone-assassin scenario, where Oswald is said to have fired all of the bullets from behind the limousine.


Dr. Perry said it was a wound of
entrance in an unambiguous fashion, three times, at a news conference on November 22, 1963 after Kennedy died.  In his testimony before the Warren Commission, however, Dr. Perry equivocated, saying that the bullet wound in the neck might well have been a wound of exit.


As revealed in  Probe (Vol. 4, No. 3, pp. 20?21),  a Secret Service agent named Elmer Moore, functioning as a liaison for the Warren Commission, was placed in charge of the Dallas doctors' testimony. One of his assignments seems to have been to "reason" with Dr. Perry and talk him out of his original statement (and thus not raise any questions about there being an assassin in front of Kennedy).


The Kennedy case has gripped me because it is a shocking example of government duplicity, something that unfortunately taints other government activities, including its doings in health care.





Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 27, 2018, 12:32:58 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20121218115539/http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller34.1.html

(Quote for the 11-22-63 relevant information by Dr. Donald Miller, who worked with President Kennedy's Parkland trauma room #1 Dr. Malcolm Perry, after Perry left Dallas)

In sworn testimony before the ARRB, Dr. Perry said that he was never pressured by anyone to tell anything but the truth.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=793#relPageId=12&tab=page
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on May 28, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
In sworn testimony before the ARRB, Dr. Perry said that he was never pressured by anyone to tell anything but the truth.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=793#relPageId=12&tab=page

Dr Perry could well have been protecting his future career.
In Dr Miller's words.
"Dr. Malcolm Perry performed the tracheostomy on President Kennedy at Parkland hospital after he was shot. Dr. Perry and I worked together for a time in the 1970s when he came to Seattle and joined the University of Washington surgical faculty. Knowing my interest in the Kennedy assassination, he reaffirmed to me that the bullet hole in Kennedy's neck (through which he performed the tracheostomy) was a wound of entrance. "
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 28, 2018, 07:51:08 PM
Top, behind the forehead.

 There was a wound there.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Jack Trojan on May 28, 2018, 08:05:55 PM
Dr. Malcolm Perry - First surgeon to attend to President Kennedy at Parkland Memorial Hospital. 
At the 0:50 seconds mark , Perry speaks of a Large wound of JFK's head in the "Right Posterior " area.
I don't remember Dr. Perry ever giving a location of a large head wound to the posterior area .
It seems like we are being given more information every year, which makes the Warren Commission look really bad, which it should look after what their 26 volumes set out to do!
A few years back I started noticing that as the limo was leaving the Love Field area they started to show the SS agent throw up his hands in frustration when he was called back to the car that the SS agents rode in behind JFK's Limo . His frustration was noticeable because he thought they were supposed to do their job and surround the President for security reasons . Apparently not!


A few things that should concern all:

If JFK's heart was still beating, where was all the blood on JFK's neck resulting from the tracheostomy? The clean up crew certainly did their jobs.

Wasn't that the most gross, unprofessional tracheostomy you have ever seen? Wouldn't that have killed JFK if he wasn't already dead? What do other doctors say about it?

Dr. Perry noticed the "large wound on his head in the right posterior area".

Dr. Perry: "Doctor Kerico placed a tube in the presidents trachea to assist his breathing." So why then did Dr. Perry feel the need to perform the tracheostomy if there was already a tube inserted into JFK's trachea?

Dr. Perry said that he noticed blood and damage to the "upper mediastinum" and consequently inserted a drain tube into JFK's body cavity. The top of the superior mediastinum ends at T2.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Tim Nickerson on May 28, 2018, 10:05:39 PM
Dr Perry could well have been protecting his future career.

In 1998, when he testified before the ARRB,  Dr Perry was 69 years old.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Jim Brunsman on May 28, 2018, 11:17:36 PM
  Mr. Barber is mistaken (again) when he asserts that Jackie clearly states where the head wound was. Uh, no...it is not at all clear and nothing she said made me believe the hole was anywhere but the same place the other witnesses say: the back of the head. There was no wound to the top of the head until Humes started his clandestine "pre-autopsy" surgery. Who at Parkland reports any wounds on the head except in the right rear? Nobody.

  On a personal note, I could not believe Nova used you as an expert witness on their very strange JFK show from the late eighties. I thought you came across as an ignorant buffoon and the least qualified person imaginable to speak on acoustics. Reading your posts on this site makes me want to wretch. You are one of the chief engineers on the Ignorance Express. Sorry to be so harsh. I hate disinformation...
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 29, 2018, 12:21:47 AM
  Mr. Barber is mistaken (again) when he asserts that Jackie clearly states where the head wound was. Uh, no...it is not at all clear and nothing she said made me believe the hole was anywhere but the same place the other witnesses say: the back of the head. There was no wound to the top of the head until Humes started his clandestine "pre-autopsy" surgery. Who at Parkland reports any wounds on the head except in the right rear? Nobody.

  On a personal note, I could not believe Nova used you as an expert witness on their very strange JFK show from the late eighties. I thought you came across as an ignorant buffoon and the least qualified person imaginable to speak on acoustics. Reading your posts on this site makes me want to wretch. You are one of the chief engineers on the Ignorance Express. Sorry to be so harsh. I hate disinformation...

 Lipsey describes  a wound just above the hairline Horne and many other researchers feel the v shaped wound near the top right of JFK's skull was made in an attempt to hide the entry wound of a bullet from the front
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on August 10, 2019, 05:44:14 AM
As per Warren Commission Testimony given from Dr. Carrico to Arlen Specter :

Mr. Specter - Will describe as specifically as you can the head wound which you have already mentioned briefly ?

Dr. Carrico  -  This was a 5- by 71-cm defect in the posterior skull , the occipital region. There was an absence of
                     calvarium or skull in this area , with shredded tissue, brain tissue present and initially considerable slow oozing. Then after we established some circulation there was more profuse bleeding from this wound.
Mr. Specter  - Was any other wound observed on the head in addition to this large opening where the skull was absent ?

Dr. Carrico   - No other wound on the head .   

Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 10, 2019, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: Tim Nickerson link=topic=717.msg16003#msg16003 date=1527541ee539
In 1998, when he testified before the ARRB,  Dr Perry was 69 years old.
Agreed, I was talking about his earlier change of heart, after he was visited by Elmer Moore.

Elmer Moore, a Secret Service agent who worked with the commission and was later transferred to the service’s Seattle office, admitted he was ordered to pressure Perry to refute the two-gunman theory, according to a University of Washington graduate student who interviewed Moore and eventually testified at government hearings.

https://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2017/11/secret-service-agent-elmer-moore.html
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Denis Pointing on August 11, 2019, 12:46:28 PM
Agreed, I was talking about his earlier change of heart, after he was visited by Elmer Moore.

Elmer Moore, a Secret Service agent who worked with the commission and was later transferred to the service’s Seattle office, admitted he was ordered to pressure Perry to refute the two-gunman theory, according to a University of Washington graduate student who interviewed Moore and eventually testified at government hearings.

https://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2017/11/secret-service-agent-elmer-moore.html

I think the keyword here is " according to". Any reason why you take the interviewer, James Gochenaur's claim as gospel?  None of Gochenaur's claims can be substantiated, virtually nothing is known about the man, yet you swallow everything he says hook-line-an-sinker. Seriously, why? For anyone interested, here's a link to Gochenaur's claims.  http://www.whokilledjfk.net/pressure_dr.htm

Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Gary Craig on August 11, 2019, 02:32:32 PM
Article from Washington Evening Star, 27 Nov 1963, page A-5

Excerpts: 

"White House Won't Talk on Kennedy Autopsy" 

By the Associated Press

"The White House has so far declined to say whether an autopsy was performed on the body of President John F. Kennedy. 

The body was at the Bethesda Naval Hospital for approximately nine hours last Friday night and early Saturday morning. 

Civilian morticians were called to the hospital to prepare the body for burial. 

....

Doctors in Dallas who administered emergency treatment to the President said yesterday they do not know whether one or two

bullets had hit him.  However, Federal authorities seemed fairly certain it was two bullets. 

One Washington source said, "There is some doubt whether the fatal bullet was the second shot or third shot.  The first shot is

believed to have hit the President, but we're not sure about the second and third." 

Thus, he indicated, the first bullet to strike Mr. Kennedy might not have been fatal. 

One bullet struck Texas Gov. John Connally, wounding him. 

Dr. Kemp Clark, a brain surgeon who was summoned to the emergency room of the Dallas hospital where the President was taken after

the shooting, said in Dallas yesterday that a bullet did such massive damage to the right rear of the President's head that the

attending surgeons could not tell whether it had entered or come out of the head there. 

"A missile had gone in, or come out the back of his head, causing extensive lacerations and loss of brain tissue, " Dr. Clark said. 

Dr. Clark said he was unable to say whether the wound in the President's neck, below the Adam's apple, was due to the same bullet

that had coursed through the President's brain.  He said there could have been two bullets. 

Dr. Malcolm Perry of Dallas, who also treated the President after the shooting, had said on Friday that he was unable to determine

whether one or two bullets were involved."
 

[end of article]
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 11, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
I think the keyword here is " according to". Any reason why you take the interviewer, James Gochenaur's claim as gospel?  None of Gochenaur's claims can be substantiated, virtually nothing is known about the man, yet you swallow everything he says hook-line-an-sinker.
You mean the same way you swallow everything the Warren Omission said?
Quote

Seriously, why? For anyone interested, here's a link to Gochenaur's claims.  http://www.whokilledjfk.net/pressure_dr.htm

"Miller, who later worked and taught with Perry at the University of Washington School of Medicine in the 1970s, says Perry told him there were entry wounds from both behind and in front of Kennedy, contradicting what he told the commission under oath. Perry confided similar details to an Alaska doctor as well."

What has what Dr Miller said, got to do with Gochenaur?
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Denis Pointing on August 11, 2019, 03:14:14 PM
You mean the same way you swallow everything the Warren Omission said?
"Miller, who later worked and taught with Perry at the University of Washington School of Medicine in the 1970s, says Perry told him there were entry wounds from both behind and in front of Kennedy, contradicting what he told the commission under oath. Perry confided similar details to an Alaska doctor as well."

What has what Dr Miller said, got to do with Gochenaur?

You obviously have no idea concerning my opinion of the WC, if you did you'd know that I've openly stated, many times, that I believe some members of the WC were working to an agender to find Oswald to be an LN. I've also stated many times that IMO, the WR was full of mistakes. Why presumptively state other members 'opinions' if you have no idea what they actually are? The link I provided shows the " University of Washington graduate student who interviewed Moore and eventually testified at government hearings." that you referred to was in fact Gochenaur, not Dr Miller.

Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 11, 2019, 06:48:12 PM
You obviously have no idea concerning my opinion of the WC, if you did you'd know that I've openly stated, many times, that I believe some members of the WC were working to an agender to find Oswald to be an LN. I've also stated many times that IMO, the WR was full of mistakes. Why presumptively state other members 'opinions' if you have no idea what they actually are? The link I provided shows the " University of Washington graduate student who interviewed Moore and eventually testified at government hearings." that you referred to was in fact Gochenaur, not Dr Miller.

I read your  Gochenaur link. And I asked you why you dismiss Dr Miller's comments.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Denis Pointing on August 11, 2019, 08:50:05 PM
I read your  Gochenaur link. And I asked you why you dismiss Dr Miller's comments.

Ray, It's not a case of off-handily dismissing it. I just don't see any reason to blindly accept it without any substantial proof to back it up, same with the Alaskan doctor. Until I see proof to the contrary I'm sticking to what Dr Perry said under oath. Is that unreasonable?
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 12, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
Ray, It's not a case of off-handily dismissing it. I just don't see any reason to blindly accept it without any substantial proof to back it up, same with the Alaskan doctor. Until I see proof to the contrary I'm sticking to what Dr Perry said under oath. Is that unreasonable?

Strange that two different surgeons each said that Perry had told them that he had changed his mind and told the W.C. that it could've been an exit wound. But then you appear to only believe unsubantiated proof when it agrees with your position.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Denis Pointing on August 12, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
Strange that two different surgeons each said that Perry had told them that he had changed his mind and told the W.C. that it could've been an exit wound. But then you appear to only believe unsubstantiated proof when it agrees with your position.

And exactly what "unsubstantiated proof" do I believe in then Ray? You really think you know me that well, do you? Are you sure you're not just being over presumptuous again? You seem to have a bad habit of doing that. If it's just a petty argument you're after go pester someone else. If you can debate like a grown-up then carry on.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Louis Earl on August 12, 2019, 03:17:20 PM
Clint Hill:   Mr. Hill  --  The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.  This is testimony of Clint Hill .

So ... what happened to the "right rear portion of his head" that was lying in the rear seat?  Did anyone pick it up, take it into the ER?  Asking for a friend. 
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 12, 2019, 03:53:02 PM
And exactly what "unsubstantiated proof" do I believe in then Ray? You really think you know me that well, do you? Are you sure you're not just being over presumptuous again? You seem to have a bad habit of doing that. If it's just a petty argument you're after go pester someone else. If you can debate like a grown-up then carry on.

I did "you  appear to only believe", not that you did. As for petty arguments, perhaps it is you who is doing the pestering. You butted in on my discussion with another poster.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Bill Chapman on August 12, 2019, 04:41:25 PM
Strange that two different surgeons each said that Perry had told them that he had changed his mind and told the W.C. that it could've been an exit wound. But then you appear to only believe unsubantiated proof when it agrees with your position.

Tell us when Perry learned of the back wound.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on August 12, 2019, 05:07:02 PM
Gawlers Funeral Home Embalmer Thomas E. Robinson said there was a large gaping hole in the back of JFK's head and that there was a smaller wound in the right temple . Robinson had to stretch a large piece of rubber across the wound in the back of JFK's head .
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Denis Pointing on August 12, 2019, 05:23:20 PM
I did "you  appear to only believe", not that you did. As for petty arguments, perhaps it is you who is doing the pestering. You butted in on my discussion with another poster.

LOL How can someone "butt in" on a public forum?  :D :D Go away silly little man.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Royell Storing on August 12, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
Gawlers Funeral Home Embalmer Thomas E. Robinson said there was a large gaping hole in the back of JFK's head and that there was a smaller wound in the right temple . Robinson had to stretch a large piece of rubber across the wound in the back of JFK's head .

     The wound in the back of JFK's Head would also explain the autopsy photo which displays a gloved hand pulling his hair up and over the top of the head. This manipulation supplied an autopsy photo of the back of the head without also revealing the gaping wound in the back of the head. This same gaping wound leaked blood/matter down onto JFK's gurney and the Trauma Room floor at Parkland Hospital. That large wound in the Rear of his head also spurted blood/matter in conjunction with external cardiac massage being applied to the chest of JFK.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 12, 2019, 10:51:24 PM
LOL How can someone "butt in" on a public forum?  :D :D Go away silly little man.
How can somebody be pestering you when it was you who joined in to pester me? ::)
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on August 24, 2019, 09:11:53 PM
As per Dr. Robert McClelland on a you tube interview -- Uncut interview -- JFK's Emergency Room Dr. Robert McClelland .  At about the 9 minute mark , Dr. McClelland ask the other Drs. , Have you seen the back of his head ? The back right rear of his head is missing and McClelland says the wound in the right hand side of the back of JFK's head had about a 5 inch circumference .Dr  McClelland and Perry were best of friends and Perry told McClelland that a person came up to him and cautioned him that he should not say anything .
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Ray Mitcham on August 25, 2019, 09:14:42 AM
As per Dr. Robert McClelland on a you tube interview -- Uncut interview -- JFK's Emergency Room Dr. Robert McClelland .  At about the 9 minute mark , Dr. McClelland ask the other Drs. , Have you seen the back of his head ? The back right rear of his head is missing and McClelland says the wound in the right hand side of the back of JFK's head had about a 5 inch circumference .Dr  McClelland and Perry were best of friends and Perry told McClelland that a person came up to him and cautioned him that he should not say anything .

Says the same at the ten minute point in this interview as well, Mike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ435lMaCn

Seems that all the doctors in the emergency room were  hallucinating when they saw the hole in the back of the head.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on August 30, 2019, 01:39:37 AM
The skull was missing in the right rear of jfk's head . The wound you guys are talking about would not have had to be pointed out to anyone if the wound was on the right side of his head above and forward the right ear with a bunch of skull flaps heading in all different directions . I think Malcolm Perry would have seen that wound along with everyone in Trauma Room 1 .
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on September 03, 2019, 03:07:17 AM
The Head wound on the right rear back of JFK's head is talked about in detail in this video and also the movement of JFK from Andrews AFB in a helicopter back to Bethesda .                     
                 
        You Tube------- JFK - The Medical Cover Up                                                                                              Start at 14:45 of the video . The whole video is 1:16:29 long .

   There is actual audio : Jerry Behn is at the White House situation room and he is talking to Roy Kellerman who is on AF 1.

Air Force 1 Andrews , Roger. Go ahead with your traffic now , sir .
Kellerman: Digest to Duplex , how's this ?
Behn : Go ahead , Digest- this is Duplex
Kellerman: Again I repeat...
Kellerman : 3 helicopters to transport people to the White House lawn. okay ?
Behn : that is affirmative
Kellerman : Roger , okay...
Kellerman: White House 102 and 405X , transportation to the Navy Hospital , okay ?
Behn : That is affirmative
Kellerman That's a Roger , uh...
Kellerman: I am keeping , uh... I will join the General and his party at the Navy Hospital , okay ?
Behn- Digest, this is Duplex - You accompany the " BODY " aboard the "HELICOPTER".
Kellerman - Roger
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on September 04, 2019, 06:27:30 PM
No medical personnel at Parkland saw the wounds on JFK that Bethesda personnel claims to have seen ! Not one person !
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Gary Craig on September 04, 2019, 09:32:23 PM
No medical personnel at Parkland saw the wounds on JFK that Bethesda personnel claims to have seen ! Not one person !

Dr George G. Burkley, JFK's personnel physician, did see the body at Parkland and Bethesda.
Unfortunately he didn't testify to the WC or the HSCA.

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Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on September 11, 2019, 05:57:34 PM
When the men with the threats tell you that it's a good idea for you to not talk about what you saw , then a Dr. like Dr. Malcolm Perry gets the notion that if he talks about what was seen in Trauma Room 1 , then it could be detrimental to his health . Later on Dr. Perry did say what he saw in Trauma Room 1 to a few people who he felt to be trustworthy with talking to and they even told others . The best kept secret is the secret you don't tell , to anyone . I'm glad Dr. Perry talked to a few people , which gives us another reason to understand what happened to JFK that day in Dallas .
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Louis Earl on September 18, 2019, 08:15:36 PM
Either what this poster says is what happened or .... Dr. Perry did some real soul searching and decided that his conclusion that it was a wound of entry was made in haste and under great stress and maybe just maybe it was not what he thought it was.  He saw what a huge problem his initial conclusion had created and thought is best to just try to disappear from history as best he could.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Louis Earl on September 18, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
Two other things.   The Parkland orderly (or maybe a funeral home employee) said that he cradled JFK's head as the body was loaded in the casket and he could feel the huge wound in the head through the sheets and rubber that were wrapped around the head to protect the casket from blood.   And, Clint Hill's description of what he saw of the wound in the limo is consistent with the rear being blown out.  Hill said a large piece of the skull was lying in the back seat.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 19, 2019, 12:50:14 AM
Two other things.   The Parkland orderly (or maybe a funeral home employee) said that he cradled JFK's head as the body was loaded in the casket and he could feel the huge wound in the head through the sheets and rubber that were wrapped around the head to protect the casket from blood.   And, Clint Hill's description of what he saw of the wound in the limo is consistent with the rear being blown out.  Hill said a large piece of the skull was lying in the back seat.

Thank You, for speaking up Mr Earl.....  More and more, honest men are speaking up and stating that they don't believe the official US government's (ie; Lyndon Baines Johnson's fairy tale,) as spewed from the Warren Report.
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Mike Orr on March 25, 2020, 10:11:05 PM
  Clint Hill's Testimony from the questions of Arlen Specter .

Specter : What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital ?

Hill : The right rear portion of his head was missing . It was lying in the rear seat of the car . His brain was exposed , There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car . Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood . There was so much blood  you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not , except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
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Why would Jackie Kennedy's testimony about JFK's head wound not be released ?
Title: Re: Dr. Malcolm Perry and the JFK head wound
Post by: Gerry Down on March 25, 2020, 11:44:14 PM
Why would Jackie Kennedy's testimony about JFK's head wound not be released ?

To help get RFK elected in 1968.

Her testimony, above anyone elses, would be quoted all over the place. And her testimony was very graphic and might tarnish the Kennedy legacy.