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Title: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Jack Trojan on May 10, 2018, 04:36:45 AM
JFK had a blow out on his right temple from the head shot at Z frame 313. From the x-ray, this blow out was perfectly circular. So, did the full-metal jacketed bullet from Oswald's rifle exit at this blow out? Does the trajectory support this? And isn't that plasma jetting out at an odd angle from the blow out in Z frame 317? And if that was plasma, then this was not a full-metal jacketed bullet.

(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/JFK_temple_blowout.jpg)
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Micah Mileto on May 10, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
The red blob on the Zapruder film is not supposed to be an exit wound with brain extruding from it, the red blob is the inner surface of a piece of skull that peeled outwards on the side of the face, hanging on by a piece of scalp. The actual large defect is on the top of the head, covered by hair.

(https://i.imgur.com/Sj3v6TD.gif)
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 10, 2018, 03:45:57 PM
The red blob on the Zapruder film is not supposed to be an exit wound with brain extruding from it, the red blob is the inner surface of a piece of skull that peeled outwards on the side of the face, hanging on by a piece of scalp. The actual large defect is on the top of the head, covered by hair.

(https://i.imgur.com/Sj3v6TD.gif)

 What two frames?
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Jack Trojan on May 10, 2018, 06:50:55 PM
The red blob on the Zapruder film is not supposed to be an exit wound with brain extruding from it, the red blob is the inner surface of a piece of skull that peeled outwards on the side of the face, hanging on by a piece of scalp. The actual large defect is on the top of the head, covered by hair.

(https://i.imgur.com/Sj3v6TD.gif)

Not according to the x-ray. That would also mean that the glowing orb in Z317 was sunlight reflected off a skull flap, which I don't buy. JFK's head exploded. I don't buy that a FMJ bullet can create 7 neat and tidy wounds while crashing thru bones and come out slightly deformed, while the head shot disintegrates and blows out a perfectly circular hole on the right temple of JFK.

BTW, your GIF stabilizes the frames anchored on the head. If you anchored it on the body then JFK's head gets violently thrown back and to the left.

The more I look at the autopsy photo, the more it doesn't match the hole in the x-ray or the Z film. The skull flap is too high on JFK's head, well above the ear. The autopsy photo is the anomaly here.

Look at the damage at Z323 that the FMJ bullet caused. JFK's scalp was blown backwards off his head from a shot from the rear. Are you telling me that a FMJ bullet did all this damage, then disintegrated into the ether, while the MB was only slightly flattened?

(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/323.png)
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Mike Orr on May 11, 2018, 12:50:40 AM
Parkland saw no blowout in JFK's right temple area and they saw no blowout to the top of the head .
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 11, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
 For what its worth Douglass Horne believes there were three shots to the head One from the back near the EOP. Two from in front, one entering near the right ear and causing the blowout right rear, and another from in front higher up on the hear on  the right side Interestingly I have, so far at least, not hear him state when he believes they happened all 3 together around 313?  I suppose it would be good for conspirators to have a coordinated timed shots to create confusion, but three together seems a little hard to fathom On the other hand, the older I get and look into things, the unfathomable turns out to be an option more often than one would have believed earlier
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Jack Trojan on May 14, 2018, 12:19:47 AM
For what its worth Douglass Horne believes there were three shots to the head One from the back near the EOP. Two from in front, one entering near the right ear and causing the blowout right rear, and another from in front higher up on the hear on  the right side Interestingly I have, so far at least, not hear him state when he believes they happened all 3 together around 313?  I suppose it would be good for conspirators to have a coordinated timed shots to create confusion, but three together seems a little hard to fathom On the other hand, the older I get and look into things, the unfathomable turns out to be an option more often than one would have believed earlier

The whole point of the Turkey Shoot Point is so 3 shots sound like 1. The blow out at the right temple is well documented. It could not have come from the TSBD, otherwise, a LNer would have posted the trajectory that made it happen long ago. They are either too lazy or they concede that the right temple blow out was not caused by a FMJ bullet, which is actually the point of this thread.

A right temple blow out means 2 things: 1) the head shot did not come from the TSBD and 2) it was not the result of a FMJ bullet. Both suggest a 2nd gunman, ergo, a conspiracy.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Jack Trojan on May 14, 2018, 07:02:28 AM
Where is the right temple blow out in this diagram?

(http://www.readclip.com/JFK/headshot.png)
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on May 15, 2018, 10:41:35 PM
 No mention of the hanging scalp flap
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Keyvan Shahrdar on June 04, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Have you looked at the x-ray of JFK's skull?  Compare it to your image and let me know if you see the difference. Hint, you can trace the entrance of the bullet to the back of the skull by following the fracture lines.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H_fBxmWdSk4/UcpVuTy7TVI/AAAAAAAAu6o/4ziEd8x0xng/s1600/JFK-Head-Xray.jpg)
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Michael Walton on June 04, 2018, 11:41:55 PM
The shot was from the front and exited in the rear as shown in this animated GIF (large file may take a moment to load).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Hr9Lrku-Cxdm9ZalJTSWU3cms/view?usp=sharing

If you look at the above, you can see what appears to be a puncture in the scalp and it lines up very well with beveled hole in the skull.  The entrance of this shot was most probably the temple, thus, causing the backward motion of the body.

Also, don't forget the top of the head autopsy photo showing shredded scalp up there.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Jerry Freeman on June 05, 2018, 06:06:13 PM
Two shots at the same instant?
Some witnesses reported a ba-bam sound at the last shot.

(http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/move.gif)
(http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/movement.gif)
Down & forward then back and to the left
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Steve Logan on June 05, 2018, 06:55:02 PM
Two shots at the same instant?
Some witnesses reported a ba-bam sound at the last shot.

(http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/move.gif)
(http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/movement.gif)
Down & forward then back and to the left
Two at once?
How many times do you have him getting shot?
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Bill Chapman on June 05, 2018, 08:38:47 PM
The shot was from the front and exited in the rear as shown in this animated GIF (large file may take a moment to load).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Hr9Lrku-Cxdm9ZalJTSWU3cms/view?usp=sharing

If you look at the above, you can see what appears to be a puncture in the scalp and it lines up very well with beveled hole in the skull.  The entrance of this shot was most probably the temple, thus, causing the backward motion of the body.


Show us the science that confirms a bullet can toss a body like that.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on June 05, 2018, 09:47:49 PM
 According to Dr David Mantik,  claims both he and Dr Michael Chesser presented evidence at one of the recent mock trial, that the preponderance of bullet fragments at the front of the skull is evidence of a shot from the front Apparently this went unchallenged by whatever experts the friends of the WC which were present or available If anybody which mock trial this was please let me know
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Tim Nickerson on June 05, 2018, 10:03:57 PM
According to Dr David Mantik,  claims both he and Dr Michael Chesser presented evidence at one of the recent mock trial, that the preponderance of bullet fragments at the front of the skull is evidence of a shot from the front

I'm curious to know what they meant by that.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on June 05, 2018, 10:47:41 PM
I'm curious to know what they meant by that.

 There seems to me to be more looking at the Xray Keyvan posted What they are suggesting is the fragment trail is greater nearer the entry wound than further down the path of the bullet
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Steve Logan on June 05, 2018, 11:34:00 PM
I'm curious to know what they meant by that.

So I guess he was shot from the front in the head, from the front in the throat, through the windshield, over the windshield, in between/around/over Greer and Kellerman and Connally and in the back. Then Connally was shot from behind by a different shooter, over/around Kennedy. Was it once or twice ? Who knows? Anybody? Tim you getting this?
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Michael Walton on June 05, 2018, 11:54:45 PM
So I guess he was shot from the front in the head, from the front in the throat, through the windshield, over the windshield, in between/around/over Greer and Kellerman and Connally and in the back. Then Connally was shot from behind by a different shooter, over/around Kennedy. Was it once or twice ? Who knows? Anybody? Tim you getting this?

Not exactly. He was shot by a crazed Communist who posed with the gun six months before the shooting.  The shooter snuck the gun in, built the nest, didn't test the gun beforehand, scored two bulls-eyes but missed wildly on one, hid the gun, went down to the 2nd floor of the building, bought a Coke, was confronted by a cop, left the building, hailed a cab, gave it up nicely for a lady, got on a bus, went to his rooming house, changed his trousers, grabbed his pistol, left and walked down the street, changed direction, was confronted by a policeman and fired 5 shots into him with one coup de grace, emptied his shells, walked down the street and stopped in the walkway of a shoe store, snuck into a theater, moved around as if looking for someone, had a half dollar bill in his pocket, was arrested, denied he shot anyone, said he was a patsy, reminded his wife to buy his daughter shoes, then was murdered.

Anything else?
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Steve Logan on June 06, 2018, 12:31:40 AM
Not exactly. He was shot by a crazed Communist who posed with the gun six months before the shooting.  The shooter snuck the gun in, built the nest, didn't test the gun beforehand, scored two bulls-eyes but missed wildly on one, hid the gun, went down to the 2nd floor of the building, bought a Coke, was confronted by a cop, left the building, hailed a cab, gave it up nicely for a lady, got on a bus, went to his rooming house, changed his trousers, grabbed his pistol, left and walked down the street, changed direction, was confronted by a policeman and fired 5 shots into him with one coup de grace, emptied his shells, walked down the street and stopped in the walkway of a shoe store, snuck into a theater, moved around as if looking for someone, had a half dollar bill in his pocket, was arrested, denied he shot anyone, said he was a patsy, reminded his wife to buy his daughter shoes, then was murdered.

Anything else?

Pretty close but you need to tidy up a few things. For example he missed his target twice . Can you imagine this guy's luck? A little while later there was an armed guy arrested in a theater who just happened to work on the floor in the building where they found all that "stuff". Poor dumb Commie.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 06, 2018, 12:58:56 AM
Not exactly. He was shot by a crazed Communist who posed with the gun six months before the shooting.  The shooter snuck the gun in, built the nest, didn't test the gun beforehand, scored two bulls-eyes but missed wildly on one, hid the gun, went down to the 2nd floor of the building, bought a Coke, was confronted by a cop, left the building, hailed a cab, gave it up nicely for a lady, got on a bus, went to his rooming house, changed his trousers, grabbed his pistol, left and walked down the street, changed direction, was confronted by a policeman and fired 5 shots into him with one coup de grace, emptied his shells, walked down the street and stopped in the walkway of a shoe store, snuck into a theater, moved around as if looking for someone, had a half dollar bill in his pocket, was arrested, denied he shot anyone, said he was a patsy, reminded his wife to buy his daughter shoes, then was murdered.

Cool story bro.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 06, 2018, 01:00:16 AM
Pretty close but you need to tidy up a few things. For example he missed his target twice . Can you imagine this guy's luck? A little while later there was an armed guy arrested in a theater who just happened to work on the floor in the building where they found all that "stuff". Poor dumb Commie.

It always amuses me when the resident mindreaders just know what the shooter's target was.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Mike Orr on June 06, 2018, 01:28:21 AM
    I think if we go by the x-ray of the head , then a lot of the right side of JFK's face would be gone because there is no bone there. Parkland said nothing about the right side of the head or the right side of his face being shot up . I think there was an entry wound in the right temple along with the huge blowout of the back of the head . The film that we look at on this post makes JFK's head ( especially the right side of his face ) not look real and with that blob of red (which looks to be faked ) it does not go with anything Parkland saw. Too many people say there was a big blowout in the back of the head and not a blow-out in the right temple. CTer's & LNer's will never change their mind on how they look at this case. I've never felt like I was trying to change some ones mind about "what was what" , hell I just feel that we were lied to about what happened that day to JFK and our country !
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on June 06, 2018, 01:50:50 AM
 I have never heard Horne give a detailed description of the 3 bullets that hit the skull, but there are quite few voices on CT side who seem to believe there was a shot from the front that hit around the hairline and to the right And they do believe the Parkland doctors missed it To me I agree if you accept the Xray is real it seems like there would have been massive damage that would not be missed It is too bad there are not more host, or panel formats where we could have this stuff explained more in depth
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Steve Logan on June 06, 2018, 07:39:53 PM
It always amuses me when the resident mindreaders just know what the shooter's target was.

Oh jees, did I slip up and think that Kennedy was the shooters target?
Maybe it was a jealous female that hated Jackie and she was off target just a bit.
Gotcha.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 06, 2018, 11:59:27 PM
Oh jees, did I slip up and think that Kennedy was the shooters target?
Maybe it was a jealous female that hated Jackie and she was off target just a bit.
Gotcha.

Seriously, why just assume that the shooter's target was JFK's head?  Just because it happened to get hit?  If you think Oswald did it, he had more of a grudge against Connally than anyone else in the limo.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Steve Logan on June 07, 2018, 03:06:58 PM
Seriously, why just assume that the shooter's target was JFK's head?  Just because it happened to get hit?  If you think Oswald did it, he had more of a grudge against Connally than anyone else in the limo.

That's the most humorous post you've ever authored. LOL. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: John Iacoletti on June 07, 2018, 06:11:21 PM
That's the most humorous post you've ever authored. LOL. Thanks.

I'm glad you're amused, but that still doesn't prove what the shooter's target was.  Your assumptions are just that.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on June 07, 2018, 08:19:18 PM
 Perhaps the toy dog? I could see being irritated by that thing
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Keyvan Shahrdar on June 08, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
There was no exit wound in the rear, did you look at the X-rays?  The Skull fracture lines show a shot entering the lower rear of the skull.

JFK did get hit from the side after the skull was fractured by the shot from the rear.  The bullet that entered from the right temple area exited the top of the skull.  You can see this from the autopsy photographs.

There is no proof of an exit wound to the rear of JFK.
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Bill Chapman on June 08, 2018, 10:25:24 PM
There was no shot in the rear, did you look at the X-rays?  The Skull fracture lines show a shot entering the lower rear of the skull.

JFK did get hit from the side after the skull was fractured by the shot from the rear.  The bullet that entered from the right temple area exited the top of the skull.  You can see this from the autopsy photographs.

There is no proof of an exit wound to the rear of JFK.

Are you saying you've been to the NARA, were vetted by the Kennedy family representative as a serious researcher and were allowed access to the original X-rays and photographs?

You do know that autopsy images found online or in print are not in any way supported by the NARA. Right?
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Matt Grantham on June 08, 2018, 10:36:05 PM
There was no exit wound in the rear, did you look at the X-rays?  The Skull fracture lines show a shot entering the lower rear of the skull.

JFK did get hit from the side after the skull was fractured by the shot from the rear.  The bullet that entered from the right temple area exited the top of the skull.  You can see this from the autopsy photographs.

There is no proof of an exit wound to the rear of JFK.

Shall we add you to the list of those who believe 46 witnesses to the blowout in the back rear are wrong based on a suspect X ray and a suspect film??
Title: Re: The Right Temple Blow-out
Post by: Keyvan Shahrdar on June 11, 2018, 04:22:57 PM
Bill, you are a conspiracy theorist!  You need to be a realist.  The x-rays and the autopsy pictures are the ones used by the HSCA.
"Dr. G. M. McDonnel oversaw the production of computer enhanced copies of the original skull x-rays for the HSCA, and then copies of these copies were made available and released by NARA. Dr. McDonnel?s interesting past and his interpretation of these x-rays will be discussed later."

http://assassinationofjfk.net/a-review-of-the-jfk-cranial-x-rays-and-photographs/

I do agree that there is what seems to be a patch in the x-rays in the right rear of the skull, but there is no way that could be an exit wound from a bullet that entered from the front.