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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on January 09, 2018, 09:31:28 AM
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Why don't we put it to a poll, to see which of us would likely be part of the coverup?
Plant CTs or LNers to perpetuate a Cover Up?
1. Planting a few LNers to reinforce the conclusions of the Warren Report is pointless because the "WC defenders" will always be outnumbered by the CT's and at first glance to any casual observer must be that majority rules. If anyone was going to plant LNers then it wouldn't be done in this piecemeal method on exhibition here but a full on army much like the organised CTs who gang up on the out numbered LNer day after day here in the trenches.
2. Planting CTs makes much more sense because you know who did what so you obviously steer the argument away from the "truth" into "Caprio country" and create so much messed up confusion by delivering a totally unrealistic 450+ threads all about nothing which presents contradicting ideas going in every way imaginable. Or like the other CTs who always focus on Oswald but don't seem to care about any conspiracy beyond that, so by focusing on only Oswald they dissuade any further exploration of the "truth" by purposely ignoring any discussion of who did what.
3. Planting Both seems like a waste of resources.
4. Planting None for an event that happened 54 years ago and which a fair percentage of the population considers to be ancient history is probably the most sensible answer but what fun is that? Also what reinforces this belief of nonchalance is that even only 15 years later when the HSCA said there was a possible conspiracy nobody really battered an eyelid and it was barely newsworthy, and now half a century later the public care factor must be practically zero and unless some CT can tie someone BIG like LBJ into the conspiracy then any lower pleb that may have pushed some buttons would be publically met with a "well that's interesting, yawn"!
Btw when I started here I always found it odd that I was immediately categorized as a LNer because much like the public news polls I thought Oswald was guilty but certain events beyond Oswald's control needed some clarification and could lead to a conspiracy. So in other words I have been shoehorned into a belief system that I never truly felt comfortable with, who invented the term LNer and to what end?
JohnM
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so far, the poll results are 50% for CT and 50% for LN plants
Yep we have yours and one other opinion, WOW!
JohnM
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Having plotters post on forums makes no sense. Hiring employees to make false documentaries makes a lot more sense. You would be mass communicating then. You could influence the opinions of millions.
The most effective way to influence opinions is to have high school teachers teach false theories. Early opinions have the best chance of becoming permanent opinions. The government has made no effort to do this. A high school student is more likely to learn that there was a conspiracy than to learn there probably was not.
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"to employ propaganda assets to answer and refute the attacks of critics"
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What did we lose from the LNers? Straw men. Hyperbole. Personal attacks. Repetitive regurgitation of the unsupported claims of the WCR. Basically nothing of value.
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Having plotters post on forums makes no sense. Hiring employees to make false documentaries makes a lot more sense. You would be mass communicating then. You could influence the opinions of millions.
The most effective way to influence opinions is to have high school teachers teach false theories. Early opinions have the best chance of becoming permanent opinions. The government has made no effort to do this. A high school student is more likely to learn that there was a conspiracy than to learn there probably was not.
Having plotters post on forums makes no sense.
Seriously, where do the Government Conspiracists direct their resources, there is JFK discussion on Facebook, YouTube, multiple Forums etc etc, then there is the Moon Conspiracy cover up dudes who also occupy all the above relevant chat rooms then there is the Contrail, 9/11 conspiracies who also require an army of civil servants to go in and support the government, so essentially we have hundreds perhaps thousands of places where people congregate to discuss and debate all these various conspiracies and every single one of these deluded deluded paranoid CTs thinks that they're so important that the government is picking specifically on them and their conspiracy theory.
As a personal anecdote I see the same accusations of "shill" all the time on my YouTube videos but usually they are reduced to this tactic when they can't present a coherent argument.
Hiring employees to make false documentaries makes a lot more sense. You would be mass communicating then. You could influence the opinions of millions.
Where does the money trail go?
Who makes money from the assassination? Conspiracy authors?
JohnM
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Where does the money trail go?
Who makes money from the assassination? Conspiracy authors?
Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, Dale Myers, Sixth Floor Museum, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox . . .
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Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, Dale Myers, Sixth Floor Museum, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox . . .
Wow, thats all you got? Compared to the thousands of conspiracy authors your sample is truly insignificant.
JohnM
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Wow, thats all you got? Compared to the thousands of conspiracy authors your sample is truly insignificant.
Name three of these "thousands" who have made any significant money off the assassination.
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Name three of these "thousands" who have made any significant money off the assassination.
How can they make any money if they don't perpetuate the conspiracy??? Duh!
JohnM
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How can they make any money if they don't perpetuate the conspiracy??? Duh!
So you're saying that "conspiracy authors" don't actually perpetuate a conspiracy? (http://rs1190.pbsrc.com/albums/z459/lfelle/scratching-head-smiley-emoticon_zpslaymac0t.gif?w=70&h=53&fit=crop)
How did Bugliosi, Posner, and Myers make any money?
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More 🐂. Most conspiracy authors break even at best. The folks who were given big advances and saw a profit all support the claims of the WCR.
Most conspiracy authors break even at best.
Yes exactly, because people like you/Prudhomme/Collins/Weidmann/Walt were all on a 10 posts a day quota to help sell books, how much are you being paid?
The folks who were given big advances and saw a profit all support the claims of the WCR.
Besides Bugliosi, who and how much?
JohnM
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What book am I writing?
You can't even cite evidence, so why are you here?
What book am I writing?
I don't know and I don't care.
You can't even cite evidence, so why are you here?
Really??? The evidence I'm citing in the "Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle" has been kicking your ass.
JohnM
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You said that I was here to sell books. So if it isn't my own, what books am I here to sell?
You have been 🍸 way too much if you think that you are kicking anything. Watch the alcohol in that Australian summer heat.
You have posted nothing but false evidence to try and confuse the situation. The actual evidence shows that the WC claim is untrue.
You said that I was here to sell books. So if it isn't my own, what books am I here to sell?
Why are you running Rob, you and all your mates were busted making 10 posts a day for months even years at a time and then all the evidence that existed was hacked, a coincidence?
You have been 🍸 way too much if you think that you are kicking anything.
What the thread where I supply evidence and you supply opinion, that thread?
Watch the alcohol in that Australian summer heat.
I don't drink and I don't smoke.
You have posted nothing but false evidence to try and confuse the situation.
False? Please explain?
The actual evidence shows that the WC claim is untrue.
Like a broken record, you repeat this again and again and again ad nauseum. Yawn!
JohnM
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So you're saying that "conspiracy authors" don't actually perpetuate a conspiracy? (http://rs1190.pbsrc.com/albums/z459/lfelle/scratching-head-smiley-emoticon_zpslaymac0t.gif?w=70&h=53&fit=crop)
How did Bugliosi, Posner, and Myers make any money?
So you're saying that "conspiracy authors" don't actually perpetuate a conspiracy?
Where did that come from?
How did Bugliosi, Posner, and Myers make any money?
How do you know they profited a single penny from their JFK books?
Bugliosi spent 20 years on a book which did not sell overwhelmingly and that would have to be considered a loss. And I don't think that either Case Closed or With Malice were best sellers and any WC defender author would know based on any JFK poll that any book which reinforces the WC is simply a passion project. Just look at Curry and what he said to promote his book, anything remotely tied to a non-conspiracy is not likely to sell!
JohnM
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The difference between us and the LN's?
We are trying to find out what really happened on 22/11/63. They are here to push propaganda in the manner originally dictated by the CIA in 1964. The cover up lives!
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
Are YOU part of the coverup?
in the manner originally dictated by the CIA in 1964.
That document is over 50 years old! LMFAOYD!
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JohnM
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CT troll farms
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The difference between us and the LN's?
We are trying to find out what really happened on 22/11/63.
But, with faulty information and mistakes, whatever you "find out" will be invalid. Someone needs to correct your mistakes.
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What the thread where I supply evidence and you supply opinion, that thread?
The delusion is strong in this one. This is opinion, not evidence:
Yeah whatever;
Oswald ordered a Carcano Rifle from Kleins.
Oswald was sent a Carcano(C2766) from Kleins.
Oswald was photographed with a Carcano(C2766).
Oswald's rifle was discovered on the 6th floor at about the same time Oswald was on the run after killing a Police Officer.
JohnM
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Where did that come from?
From you. You're not making any sense.
Iacoletti: "Name three of these "thousands" who have made any significant money off the assassination."
"Mytton": "How can they make any money if they don't perpetuate the conspiracy??? Duh!"
So conspiracy authors don't make any significant money because they would need to perpetuate the conspiracy in order to make any money. Therefore, conspiracy authors must not be perpetuating the conspiracy because they're not making any money.
Brilliant.
How do you know they profited a single penny from their JFK books?
Bugliosi spent 20 years on a book which did not sell overwhelmingly and that would have to be considered a loss. And I don't think that either Case Closed or With Malice were best sellers and any WC defender author would know based on any JFK poll that any book which reinforces the WC is simply a passion project. Just look at Curry and what he said to promote his book, anything remotely tied to a non-conspiracy is not likely to sell!
I notice how you tried to turn the question around. You accused conspiracy authors of making money off of the assassination and then failed to provide even a single example. Bugliosi reportedly got a million dollar advance for his propaganda. Posner the plagiarist was a best-seller.
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From you. You're not making any sense.
Iacoletti: "Name three of these "thousands" who have made any significant money off the assassination."
"Mytton": "How can they make any money if they don't perpetuate the conspiracy??? Duh!"
So conspiracy authors don't make any significant money because they would need to perpetuate the conspiracy in order to make any money. Therefore, conspiracy authors must not be perpetuating the conspiracy because they're not making any money.
Brilliant.
I notice how you tried to turn the question around. You accused conspiracy authors of making money off of the assassination and then failed to provide even a single example. Bugliosi reportedly got a million dollar advance for his propaganda. Posner the plagiarist was a best-seller.
David Lifton's best seller likely broke even, at best.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lifton#Best_Evidence
Harold Weisberg was an early and prolific author who seemed to.make little
from those projects. Marc Lane is the only CT theme author I am aware of who
made much money. The first big LN book was by William Manchester and he got paid.
O'Reilly's "Killing Kennedy" sold more than a million copies.
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You accused conspiracy authors of making money off of the assassination and then failed to provide even a single example.
You're missing the point, quote me ever saying that any conspiracy author made one cent off of the sale of a single book?
JohnM
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You're missing the point, quote me ever saying that any conspiracy author made one cent off of the sale of a single book?
So they are motivated by money, but they just don't ever make any? What exactly are you trying to say? I don't even think you know.
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So they are motivated by money, but they just don't ever make any? What exactly are you trying to say? I don't even think you know.
So they are motivated by money, but they just don't ever make any?
Well that's about it, you promote what you create and if you get sales then that's a fabulous byproduct.
John, just say you wrote a book how would you promote it and what avenues are available to you to present your product to the public?
An example is James DiEugenio where in every other post at the Ed Forum he is mentioning some book or other that he wrote or the many members here who have promoted books but they all eventually realize that this type of blatant self promotion is grating so people like them take to the Forums to steer the debate in the direction that reinforces the crap in their books.
What exactly are you trying to say? I don't even think you know.
To be honest I believe the author infiltration happens but not a scale worth considering but I think that there is a large group of CT's and that includes you that are paid by the government to post as much disinformation as possible.
JohnM
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I have used one name, one alias, on this site. I did not register under three variations like you. I didn't claim to be a LNer, then a CTer and then a LNer again.
I didn't play the Trojan 🐎 role like you.
I have used one name, one alias, on this site.
Yes of course, David Sellers.
JohnM
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To be honest I believe the author infiltration happens but not a scale worth considering but I think that there is a large group of CT's and that includes you that are paid by the government to post as much disinformation as possible.
If that's the case, then I want to know where my checks are being sent, because I'm sure not getting them.
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Yes of course, David Sellers.
I don't recall there ever being a David Sellers on this site.
Why don't you tell everyone your real name, Mytton? Something to hide?
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I voted "Plant LNs" to copy paste irrelevant videos, like dancing lessons, and such :) ::)
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Just noticed that this ridiculous poll is still ongoing.
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Just noticed that this ridiculous poll is still ongoing.
Thanks for the bump, soon I'll have all my threads on the front page!
JohnM