JFK Assassination Forum
JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Lee Wotton on January 08, 2018, 07:26:03 PM
-
The HSCA stated that the murder of JFK was probably the result of a conspiracy and that a new investigation should be undertaken as it differed so much from the fatally flawed WCR. On this basis it was a very significant conspiracy and cover up and not the work of even one complete government agency. Far more loyalty and trust was required and so the origins were likely a secret society. Look at The Skull and Bones Society at Yale and it's history. Some of the prominent members that had highest level involvement that immediately come to mind were:
- George H W Bush
- Malcolm Wallace
- Clark Clifford
- James Jesus Angleton
- McBundy George
- Prescott Bush
- Henry Luce
- William F Buckley
Also Malcolm Wallace's pal rom High School Ralph Geb played a certain bit part in Mexico City
Does anyone have an other Yale Skull & Bones member names that were involved in the situation?
-
Yes, but what about the actual boots on the ground conspirators. You know, the ones that actually pulled it off .What's your guess ? 50 ? 100 ? 200? It's more than 200 huh? All that shooting and planting and destroying and lying. It's got to be hundreds of them. Taking into consideration there's multiple cities and multiple states and more than 1 country. Dang, there must be thousands of them ol conspirators.
Yes thousands off them but not so many when you deduct the FBI as Hoover had little choice in covering it up or in taking part by not blowing the whistle. The FBI took LO off the watch list a few weeks before 11/22 whilst the CIA took him off longer before the 11/22 (or that is the latest documented record released thus far).Hoover had no choice but to go along with the cover up to avoid implication of the FBI. He didn't stop it when he found out about the CIA based conspirators because he would have ben made to retire by the Kennedys, Angleton had compromising material on Hoover and he was very good friends with LBJ.
So there's a lot of cover up people.
Now add the false witnesses. There are plenty.
Now add 3 teams of shooters, signallers and spotters.
The other states and countries are just the tentacles of the high level conspirators in the CIA and Pentagon dept assigned to support covert ops.
-
That's what I thought . Good stuff. ::)
The template for the plot albeit on a much smaller scale was the murder of Mary Meyer in 1964 less than a year after JFK's assassination
-
Ralph Geb Mexico City Mystery Man
http://truth1.org/images/duble/zz88.jpg (http://truth1.org/images/duble/zz88.jpg)
-
The template for the plot albeit on a much smaller scale was the murder of Mary Meyer in 1964 less than a year after JFK's assassination
Really? How do you come to believe all of that? Ray Crump was found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It was reasonable
to prosecute him, or can you support that he had an alibi? Can you actually support reasonably another suspect or have you been
influenced in a non-evidentiary manner?
-
Really? How do you come to believe all of that? Ray Crump was found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It was reasonable
to prosecute him, or can you support that he had an alibi? Can you actually support reasonably another suspect or have you been
influenced in a non-evidentiary manner?
Hello Tom, thank you for your post. I am using the evidence of the trial at which Ray Crump was rightly found innocent. I believe in the US justice system and the case against Crump was hardly a case when you look at the prosecution evidence. I believe Ray Crump was a patsy just like Oswald.
What are your comments id any on the Skull and Bones and Ralph Geb?
-
Some connections of the Skull & Bones members:
- George H W Bush - In Dealey Plaza 11/22. Panicked Alibi; no memory of where he was; 2422 Sheraton Hotel
- Malcolm Wallace - LBJ used him as a killer, part print found on carton in TSBD.
- Clark Clifford - Him and Hoover first contacts to be brought up to speed following CIA Garrison Meeting Number 1
- James Jesus Angleton - Top of the tree monitoring Oswald, blackmailing Hoover and LBJ.
- McBundy George - Signed NSAM in contradiction to JFK's wishes on 11/21
- Prescott Bush - involved in Bay of Pigs operation
- Henry Luce - Owner of Time. Is this Time Life and concealing the original Zapruder film?
Can anyone name any more and add to the connections?
-
Hello Tom, thank you for your post. I am using the evidence of the trial at which Ray Crump was rightly found innocent. I believe in the US justice system and the case against Crump was hardly a case when you look at the prosecution evidence. I believe Ray Crump was a patsy just like Oswald.
What are your comments id any on the Skull and Bones and Ralph Geb?
I would enjoy reading some specifics. Crump had no unambiguous alibi, was identified as being in the vicinity of the victim shortly
before her death, did not, according to a neighbor, leave home that morning carrying any fishing gear, jumped in the canal near the
scene of the crime, and gave several conflicting versions of where he was and what he was doing at the time of the murder, or even
whether he was asleep or awake at the time, alone or with someone else, or heard shots, or not. There was a strong circumstantial
case justifying his prosecution. He was not found innocent by the jury. His lawyer, Ms. Roundtree's conflicting accounts of the points
I touched on above are troubling, not persuasive. So was author Peter Janney's cherry picking of her differing accounts.
Ralph Geb was 20 years older than Oswald. Who would plan a scenario of a 44 year old attempting to impersonate a 24 year old?
(http://tomscully.net/oswaldMexicoCityRalphGeb.jpg)
-
BTW, the mystery of the origin of the Bones tomb was finally cleared up this past year by a classmate and fellow S&B of
GW Bush, the most talkative member of that secret society I have come across.:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=atwater+treat+"skull+and+bones" (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=581&tbm=bks&ei=QbFUWqnvKs7nzgLQq6rwDw&q=skulls+and+keys+atwater+treat+bones&oq=skulls+and+keys+atwater+treat+bones&gs_l=psy-ab.12...32072.39265.0.40936.15.15.0.0.0.0.105.1121.14j1.15.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.CBAUL8TFHbI)
Skulls and Keys: The Hidden History of Yale's Secret Societies
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1681775816
David Alan Richards - 2017 - Preview - More editions
Thacher replied that the faculty could give no recognition to Skull and Bones any more than to any other student society, since it was inappropriate to make any distinctions among them, but if the society's alumni chose to put up a building for their ... Using the $6,000 budget produced by the builder Atwater Treat for lot dimensions of 25 by 45 feet, Bliss was directed by the building committee to approach the New York?based architect Davis, who had worked with the contractor Treat on ...
(http://jfk.education/images/SkullAndBones1874.jpg)
YALE BUD: BUSH BAD TO THE BONES - NY Daily News
www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/yale-bud-bush-bad-bones-article-1.562911
May 26, 2004 - Maybe the Yale secret society Skull & Bones isn't as warm and cozy as previously believed. A new book, "Ambushed," reveals that Bonesman David Richards, now a Manhattan real estate lawyer, was the member who tapped Yale junior George W. Bush in 1967. But Richards - who didn't respond to ...
A BONESMAN'S OUT OF JOINT Secret Society guy fumes over attack ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/bonesman-joint-secret-society-guy-fumes-attack-bush-article-1.602385
Jul 1, 2004 - Author and Bones expert Toby Rogers tells me that Manhattan real-estate lawyer David Richards, the Bonesman who "tapped" Yale undergrad George W. Bush into the elite club in 1967, is taking a lot of heat for his anti-Bush comments that appeared in this column in May. Last week, Rogers recounts, ...
-
I would enjoy reading some specifics. Crump had no unambiguous alibi, was identified as being in the vicinity of the victim shortly
before her death, did not, according to a neighbor, leave home that morning carrying any fishing gear, jumped in the canal near the
scene of the crime, and gave several conflicting versions of where he was and what he was doing at the time of the murder, or even
whether he was asleep or awake at the time, alone or with someone else, or heard shots, or not. There was a strong circumstantial
case justifying his prosecution. He was not found innocent by the jury. His lawyer, Ms. Roundtree's conflicting accounts of the points
I touched on above are troubling, not persuasive. So was author Peter Janney's cherry picking of her differing accounts.
Ralph Geb was 20 years older than Oswald. Who would plan a scenario of a 44 year old attempting to impersonate a 24 year old?
(http://tomscully.net/oswaldMexicoCityRalphGeb.jpg)
Hi Tom, regarding Ralph Geb in my opinion he was never intended to look like Oswald merely create paper trail with accomplices in MC as par of the framing of Oswald.
The CIA never intended issuing the embassy photographs of the MC mystery man because they knew it wasn't Oswald. However, the FBI sent them under pressure from the Ambassador. Released files state how regretful the CIA were that the photos had been entered into the chain of evidence by the FBI whilst under pressure.
Oswald was in MC but had been sent to deliver toxins to a contact to kill Castro. However, this too was part of the plan to frame Oswald and actioned by David Atlee Philips aka Maurice Bishop.
Hoover was quick to report to LBJ that there was another Oswald imposter in MC to push the focus towards the CIA whom he hated. Hoover couldn't do anything but cover things up as Oswald was taken off the FBI watch list just before the assassination when Hoover learned fully of the plot. Also Angleton had blackmailed Hoover and Hoover great friends with LBJ would have been retired if JFK remained in power.
-
Look at Clark Clifford's sordid career after 1963! Including Chairman of BCCI.
Raymond Rocca in the first CIA Garrison Group Meeting stated that he thought Garrison would get a conviction against Shaw. They decided they should inform certain people of the seriousness of the situation. Obviously the first name they quoted was the Director. Next was Hoover and then Clark Clifford, Yale Skull and Bones!!
-
Look at Clark Clifford's sordid career after 1963! Including Chairman of BCCI.
Raymond Rocca in the first CIA Garrison Group Meeting stated that he thought Garrison would get a conviction against Shaw. They decided they should inform certain people of the seriousness of the situation. Obviously the first name they quoted was the Director. Next was Hoover and then Clark Clifford, Yale Skull and Bones!!
Clark Clifford did not attend Yale and was not Skull and Bones.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Clifford
Friends in High Places: The Rise and Fall of Clark Clifford - Page 15
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0316291625 (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=581&tbm=bks&ei=zu9VWofkJtCYzwLA8ayICA&q=clark+clifford+uncle+mcadams+advertising&oq=clark+clifford+uncle+mcadams+advertising&gs_l=psy-ab.12...5682.10686.0.12460.17.17.0.0.0.0.136.1240.14j3.17.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.0.0....0.p0cHWw3etjM)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PriscillaClarkCliffordUncle.jpg)
I do find it curious that the man married to Clifford's aunt Marguerite Bowman McAdams in late
1964 was a close friend of Priscilla's first cousin, David C Davenport, CIA, and performed as driver
and bodyguard of Priscilla and Marina.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60397&relPageId=146 and http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60313&relPageId=49
20 October, 2001
(http://tomscully.com/Images/DavenportObit2OCT2001.jpg)
Without Reservations: From Harlem to the End of the Santa Fe Trail
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0943734363 (https://www.google.com/search?q=harlem+ballen+davenport+cia+cousin+priscilla&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1nJ6im83YAhUB3FMKHXazAOQQ_AUIECgB&biw=1280&bih=581)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PriscillaDavenportBallen.jpg)
2-1/2 years later, Clark Cilfford's first cousin JoAnne McAdams
filed a lawsuit against that man, her stepfather Jerome Jerre Hastings Hasty, his friend David Davenport,
and several doctors for involuntarily committing her to the State of New Mexico mental hospital.
No one reacts to those facts because they do not know what to make of them despite the uncontested
facts that support all of that as true!
Caprio and company must read it in a 40 year old book to embrace it unconditionally.
Las Vegas Optic from Las Vegas, New Mexico on July 31, 1967 ? Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/ (https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=J-hVWuXOOo64zwKck7Vg&q=complaint+that+she+had+come+to+Santa+Fe+to+visit+her++mother%2C+Mrs.+Marguerite+McAdams+Hasty%2C+and+her+mother%27s+husband%2C+Jerome++Hasty%2C+and+David+Davenport%2C+a+friend+of+Hasty%2C+&oq=complaint+that+she+had+come+to+Santa+Fe+to+visit+her++mother%2C+Mrs.+Marguerite+McAdams+Hasty%2C+and+her+mother%27s+husband%2C+Jerome++Hasty%2C+and+David+Davenport%2C+a+friend+of+Hasty%2C+&gs_l=psy-ab.12...2170.2170.0.3771.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0..1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..2.1.108.6..35i39k1.109.dF6CizbQEO4)
Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr. Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the ...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QP7Y7FFiUSU/UXDF-gVFmBI/AAAAAAAAA8M/G8lNTcIcos4/s720/PriscillaDavenportHastyLawsuit1967_1of2.jpg)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1525290.1385076841!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/president-assassin.jpg)
Marina Oswald (left), widow of Lee Harvey Oswald, with friend Jerre Hastings (center) and Priscilla Johnson McMillan. McMillan befriended Oswald after the assassination of JFK. (JOSH REYNOLDS/JOSH REYNOLDS PHOTO)
1954 Obit:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OxCkEmgfcEU/UYOxYlZxEoI/AAAAAAAABB0/sszwxU8Ifgk/s720/PriscillaObitWilliamDouglasMcAdams.jpg)
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph ? 21 December 1950 ? Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdims Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67, of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr. McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ... three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite Borregaard.....
1940 U.S. Census snippet of a household in New Trier (Winnetka)Illinois:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tXbbdVGZ0gk/UYOxgcMPHSI/AAAAAAAABB8/3vCZ7manKpc/s1280/PriscillaHastyMcAdams1940CensusNewTrierILL.jpg)
On April 26, 1940, Jerome A Hastings was a 29 year old man who was born in Wisconsin and was employed as a buyer at a country club. His education level was C2, two years of college. Hastings' annual income was just over $300. In 1935 his residence was in Flemington, NJ.
On May 18, Jerome Hasty was a 29 year old man who was born in Wisconsin and was employed as a officer at a country club. His education level was C1, one year of college. Hasty's annual income was just over $600. In 1935 his residence was in Carmel-by-the-Sea, CAL.
26 years later, Jerome Allen Hasty files a notice of legal change of name from Hasty to Hastings:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qdSAs_XwtTc/UXIny-MCVFI/AAAAAAAAA8s/1q5I4NBVwU4/s720/PriscillaDavenportHastyToHastingsNameChangeNotice100366.jpg)
-
BTW, the mystery of the origin of the Bones tomb was finally cleared up this past year by a classmate and fellow S&B of
GW Bush, the most talkative member of that secret society I have come across.:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=atwater+treat+"skull+and+bones" (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=581&tbm=bks&ei=QbFUWqnvKs7nzgLQq6rwDw&q=skulls+and+keys+atwater+treat+bones&oq=skulls+and+keys+atwater+treat+bones&gs_l=psy-ab.12...32072.39265.0.40936.15.15.0.0.0.0.105.1121.14j1.15.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.CBAUL8TFHbI)
(http://jfk.education/images/SkullAndBones1874.jpg)
Very interesting Tom thank you. You are correct about my error with Clark Clifford and Skull and Bones. However, I believe he was very close to McGeorge Bundy and Dean Acheson. The interesting thing with Clifford is that he was named as one of the first people to brief after the CIA Garrison Meeting No. 1 which included Hoover and the CIA Director.
We all now that mental institutions were used by the CIA to take people out of circulation too!!!
Do you have any views on Ochsner?
-
Very interesting Tom thank you. You are correct about my error with Clark Clifford and Skull and Bones. However, I believe he was very close to McGeorge Bundy and Dean Acheson. The interesting thing with Clifford is that he was named as one of the first people to brief after the CIA Garrison Meeting No. 1 which included Hoover and the CIA Director.
We all now that mental institutions were used by the CIA to take people out of circulation too!!!
Do you have any views on Ochsner?
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/11/us/clark-clifford-a-major-adviser-to-four-presidents-is-dead-at-91.html
Clark Clifford, a Major Adviser To Four Presidents, Is Dead at 91
By MARILYN BERGEROCT. 11, 1998
...President Johnson was hardly in office 24 hours when he called for Mr. Clifford. Faced with the sudden and enormous task of running the country after Kennedy's assassination, Johnson talked with Mr. Clifford for two hours, then three, then four. It was late in the evening, Mr. Clifford remembered, when Lady Bird Johnson entered the Oval Office and reminded her husband, ''Just because you're President now doesn't mean you don't have to eat dinner.''
Mr. Clifford's warm relationship with Johnson became strained and almost broke over Vietnam in 1967, when Johnson asked him to be Secretary of Defense. Mr. Clifford's first assignment was to determine how to meet Gen. William C. Westmoreland's request for 206,000 more American troops in Vietnam.....
I am not comfortable speculating, as far as Ochsner or anything NOLA related. My research supports my presumption Garrison was not about uncovering and
presenting the truth. He complained about this guy, WDSU counsel Stephen Lemann in his June, 1967 letter to the FCC commissioner but he did not name
Lemann in that letter, or ever, or his nephew, Nicholas B Lemann.:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zLIoQLayKsA/VrZ3SCcgfuI/AAAAAAAACts/zP4r1-Uw53o/s512-Ic42/LemannWDSUFCC022067.jpg)
http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?%E2%80%A6d=176&tab=page
2of2 Garrison 06/18/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
(Top of right side column)
?It should be added that the last described endeavor has been accomplished not by members of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gljaiDmT8fE/Vunrxvb_0ZI/AAAAAAAADTI/YLD_mbdUsRkE8EDI-d_gBMn4blTNqX8VwCCo/s512-Ic42/LemannMentalHealth042364.jpg)
Stephen Lemann hired this guy who just happened to be Sylvia Odio's former Dallas Catholic priest, father Machann!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iqSsbVnCyuY/VunrPn_XVHI/AAAAAAAADS4/uUGdOF8zSPog_XJPZ5JJJ0HRhos7kRaAACCo/s512/FatherMachannLemann072265.jpg)
The Rise and Fall of Big Jim G. | News | The Harvard Crimson
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/2/6/the-rise-and-fall-of-big/
Feb 6, 1974 - By Nicholas Lemann, February 6, 1974 ... Only a very few Southern politicians have been able to put together this mythical coalition, but Jim Garrison, the six-and-a-half foot tall New Orleans district attorney who lost his third reelection campaign in December, remained politically powerful in New Orleans for ...
Russo v. Conde Nast Publications, 806 F. Supp. 603 (E.D. La. 1992 ...
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/806/603/1747985/
Russo v. Conde Nast Publications, 806 F. Supp. 603 (E.D. La. 1992) case opinion from the US District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana. ... The GQ article was a personal memoir of Lemann's recollections of growing up in New Orleans during District Attorney Jim Garrison's prosecution of Clay Shaw for allegedly ...
Nicholas Lemann ? Charlie Rose
https://charlierose.com/guests/1395
Entertainment, HistoryAir Date 12/30/1991. Nicholas Lemann, David Denby, and Zachary Sklar debate historical fact versus theory in Oliver Stone's "JFK." 'JFK,' Pt. 3. Entertainment, HistoryAir Date 12/30/1991. In the final segment of a three-part conversation, Lemann, Denby, and Sklar continue their debate about "JFK.".
JFK: The Book of the Film : the Documented Screenplay - Page 345
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1557831270 (https://www.google.com/search?q=oliver+stone+nicholas+lemann&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiggbbxos3YAhWBq1MKHShqBMAQ_AUIECgB&biw=1280&bih=581)
Oliver Stone, Zachary Sklar - 1992 - Preview - More editions
There is plenty that is wrong with American society, and Oliver Stone is one of the few directors with the clout and the interest in politics to be able to address it in mainstream films. Instead of going after a real problem, ... April 1992 GQ FOR THE DEFENSE Zachary Sklar Editor's note: Nicholas Lemann's essay "The Case Against Jim Garrison" [January] inspired more letters than any article we have published in recent years, almost all of them critical of Lemann 's argument. The most ...
This lady was CIA covert agent David Baldwin's wife's mother. She was also step-mother of Stephen Lemann and step-grandmother of his nephew, Nicholas Lemann.:
(She spent her summers as a guest of the Sterns of WDSU at their estate in New York, even before she married Monte Lemann in 1946 (http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinMonteLemannObit.jpg).)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinMotherInLawObit.jpg)
Judith Shulevitz, Nicholas Lemann - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com/1999/11/07/style/judith-shulevitz-nicholas-lemann.html
Nov 7, 1999 - Until this year, the bridegroom was the national correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly. He graduated from Harvard and is the author of ''The Big Test: The Secret History of the American Meritocracy'' (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, 1999). He is the son of Thomas B. Lemann of New Orleans and the late Barbara ...
Nicholas Lemann - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Lemann
Nicholas Berthelot Lemann is the Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor of Journalism and Dean Emeritus of the Faculty of Journalism at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. He has been a staff writer at The New Yorker since 1999.
The facts in NOLA do not mesh with what you, the authors, or anyone else who weighs in on what they think happened.:
http://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-9/#comment-883071
Tom S. June 21, 2016 at 8:28 pm
Link to prior Cotw ? http://jfkfacts.org/22675-2/
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. ?. and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
??..
JOAN: ? when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people.??
http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?%E2%80%A6d=176&tab=page
2of2 Garrison 06/18/67 letter to FCC comm. Rosel H. Hyde
(Top of right side column)
?It should be added that the last described endeavor has been accomplished not by members of the station (WDSU) itself, but by an attorney closely connected with the station who has previously been known to disperse funds in the New Orleans area in behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency?
http://jfkfacts.org/rob-tannenbaums-spellbinding-presentation-hscas-thwarted-jfk-investigation/#comment-882661
John McAdams ? June 18, 2016 at 10:42 am
Fonzi is not reliable.
??..
He also claimed that the CIA had penetrated the Garrison investigation with multiple agents. But he had no evidence of that, and the evidence is clearly that the CIA did not.
This ?Comment of the week,? is an experiment. Doubt is creeping in that it is even possible for a facts influenced discussion to develop, a discussion in which side driven sentiment is overwhelmed by what no participant in the discussion particularly relishes, what the facts actually are telling us if we choose to consider them.
http://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-9/#comment-883125
Tom S. June 22, 2016 at 12:41 am
Dr. McAdams, both Garrison and Shaw were aware of what you do not want to discuss. Instead you declare Gaeton Fonzi was wrong.
Fonzi was mistaken, but not to the extent you are. You claim the CIA had no role. Yes, the details indicate the CIA did not infiltrate
Garrison?s investigation and prosecution, the actual details indicate Garrison and Shaw were wisps of a CIA smokescreen.:
http://jfkfacts.org/hardway-declaration-cia-stonewalled-jfk-investigation/#comment-880760
http://jfkfacts.org/hardway-declaration-cia-stonewalled-jfk-investigation/#comment-880767
I consider what I would have to minimize or ignore to write what Gerry did about Garrison, or your response to Ronnie,
(see ? http://jfkfacts.org/rob-tannenbaums-spellbinding-presentation-hscas-thwarted-jfk-investigation/#comment-882661 )
and I cannot relate to either of your scenarios because they are incompatible with what I?ve presented. I restrict myself to opinions supported by the details. The details and the behavior of Garrison and Shaw indicate they were similarly restricted, they kept identical secrets, despite this friendly advice.:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-knckgt3ASNI/Vrd2i7xQ1aI/AAAAAAAACvc/m_y25b9LkuA/s512-Ic42/BaldwinFirstCousinCarpenter.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vuym6rw9doQ/Vrdqs-3WcEI/AAAAAAAACu0/OK-mVPFKpW0/s512-Ic42/BaldwinCousinDonaldCarpenterFootnote.jpg)
Who had the influence to put both of them on short leashes for the rest of their lives, to bring them both to heel?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DkxgihkiwZE/VrOGE1t6bPI/AAAAAAAACqg/lEgQeFpGVpM/s512-Ic42/GarrisonsEstrangedWife.jpg)
-
I am not comfortable speculating, as far as Ochsner or anything NOLA related. My research supports my presumption Garrison was not about uncovering and
presenting the truth. He complained about this guy, WDSU counsel Stephen Lemann in his June, 1967 letter to the FCC commissioner but he did not name
Lemann in that letter, or ever, or his nephew, Nicholas B Lemann.:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zLIoQLayKsA/VrZ3SCcgfuI/AAAAAAAACts/zP4r1-Uw53o/s512-Ic42/LemannWDSUFCC022067.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gljaiDmT8fE/Vunrxvb_0ZI/AAAAAAAADTI/YLD_mbdUsRkE8EDI-d_gBMn4blTNqX8VwCCo/s512-Ic42/LemannMentalHealth042364.jpg)
Stephen Lemann hired this guy who just happened to be Sylvia Odio's former Dallas Catholic priest, father Machann!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iqSsbVnCyuY/VunrPn_XVHI/AAAAAAAADS4/uUGdOF8zSPog_XJPZ5JJJ0HRhos7kRaAACCo/s512/FatherMachannLemann072265.jpg)
This lady was CIA covert agent David Baldwin's wife's mother. She was also step-mother of Stephen Lemann and step-grandmother of his nephew, Nicholas Lemann.:
(She spent her summers as a guest of the Sterns of WDSU at their estate in New York, even before she married Monte Lemann in 1946 (http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinMonteLemannObit.jpg).)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinMotherInLawObit.jpg)
The facts in NOLA do not mesh with what you, the authors, or anyone else who weighs in on what they think happened.:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DkxgihkiwZE/VrOGE1t6bPI/AAAAAAAACqg/lEgQeFpGVpM/s512-Ic42/GarrisonsEstrangedWife.jpg)
Tom, thank you for the information. Do you mind me asking what your general thoughts are on the JFK assassination and what authors / sources you consider most reliable and trust worthy?
Also am I correct in thinking Henry Luce was the owner o Time Life at the time it purchased the Zapruder film?
-
Ralph Geb likely MC Mystery Man. Comments on photo likeness 25 years apart?
(http://truth1.org/images/duble/zz88.jpg)
-
Henry Luce was CIA and hid the Zapruder film from the public.
So was Clare Booth Luce until 1977
-
For such a detailed conspiracy the core of it had to be a secret society rather than just colleagues of the same agency.
Start thinking about who is still alive other than GHWB
-
Ralph Geb likely MC Mystery Man. Comments on photo likeness 25 years apart?
.......
That is how you lose me.....if you actually believe it is a reasonable assumption, i.e., LIKELY. Might, maybe, possibly, suspect, are all
reasonable, considering the actual evidence you are able to summon in support of your claim. I posted a likeness from a 1943 newspaper
article. You added five years to the 20 year span between 1943 and 1963. You already dismissed the bothersome detail of a twenty year
age difference between Geb and Oswald.
If your intent is to make a compelling case it was Geb impersonating Oswald, supplying little more than your opinion, explaining away the
problem of the age difference and describing the possibility as LIKELY, gets you exactly where?
My core point is, Lee, I know less than you, but enough to stay with maybe or possibly unless I can actually prove what I suspect.
Here are some facts. General Dynamics chairman Frank Pace was appointed to the Time, Inc. board in 1961 after he greased the skids
for Luce brother in law and former Time, Inc. publisher Maurice Moore and his law partner Rozwell Gilpatric to merge the defense contractor
with the business interests of Henry Crown and Conrad Hilton. This precipitated the TFX contract scandal and senate committee investigation.
When Luce died in 1967, Frank Pace and Maurice Moore were two of three Luce had handpicked to manage his estate and Time, Inc.
CD Jackson and his best friend graduated from the Hill School, a Pottstown, PA boarding school feeding graduates to Princeton.
Henry Luce hired Jackson's best friend and when he suddenly jumped from an NYC window to his death in the early 1930's, Luce
hired Jackson to replace his friend.
Attending Hill school simultaneously were Hill school and later Princeton roommates Phil Strong and Walker Brainard Spencer, both Princeton class
of 1924. In 1927, Spencer was best man in the wedding of Frank P. Burke, Jr., chief of the NOLA CIA office from 1947 to 1962. Spencer gave
a buffet dinner for Burke's daughter in 1950 when she was chosen Queen by anonymous Comus for Mardi Gras rituals.
Phil Strong's father was one of ten Jekyl Island, 1910 fathers of the Federal Reserve. Strong's grandson recently based a book on Phil Strong.
I Never Knew My Grandfather, Only What He Pretended to Be | Tor.com
https://www.tor.com/2013/08/09/toby-barlow-cia-agent-babayaga/
Aug 9, 2013 - Read on as the author tells us a tale about his grandfather, waiting on a German train in 1937?. My grandfather sits on a train, waiting. It is early spring, 1937. His name is Philip Strong and he has boarded here in the Hamburg station, preparing to head to Berlin. Although I possess a volume of his letters ...
The Meeting at Jekyll Island | Federal Reserve History
https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/jekyll_island_conference
by G Richardson - Related articles
In November 1910, six men ? Nelson Aldrich, A. Piatt Andrew, Henry Davison, Arthur Shelton, Frank Vanderlip and Paul Warburg ? met at the Jekyll Island Club, .... An additional member of the First Name Club was Benjamin Strong, vice president of the Bankers Trust Company and the future founding chief executive officer ...
Gen. Philip Strong, USMC, as chief CIA science officer, is described in CIA documents as father of the U-2.
When Clare Luce was in the Rome embassy, she interacted with Tom McCoy, later the best friend of Clark Clifford law partner, Tom Finney.
The two recent CIA operatives McCoy and Finney interrupted their lives, attempting to deny RFK the 1968 nomination through their take over of the
"Clean for Gene" presidential campaign.
Lost Crusader: The Secret Wars of CIA Director William Colby - Page 57
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0195128478 (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1163&bih=528&tbm=bks&ei=LRZeWuHjCsL6zgKE7byQBA&q=angleton+mccoy+clare+luce+colby&oq=angleton+mccoy+clare+luce+colby&gs_l=psy-ab.12...3687.9985.0.11812.10.10.0.0.0.0.521.1204.9j5-1.10.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.x8zwMdHluec)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PriscillaMccoyClareLuce.jpg)
Tom McCoy was the husband of the other Priscilla Johnson. She was OSS London in WWII and her record was described by John Newman as merged
at CIA with the records of Priscilla Mary Post Johnson and a third P.J. McCoy's father-in-law was a US ambassador and a member of Nelson Rockefeller's
father's favorite Bar Harbor club, comprised of just 50 members.
The Livingston In the CIA decoy, Priscilla Livingston Johnson b ...
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/19350-the-livingston-in-the-cia-decoy-priscilla-livingston-johnson-b-1922-stockholm/
Jul 31, 2012 - By Tom Scully 4 posts - 2 authors
http://www.spartacus...FKjohnsonPR.htm. Priscilla Johnson McMillan : Biography. Priscilla Livingston Johnson was born in Glen Cove, New York, on 19th July, 1928. As a student she was .... Priscilla Livingston Johnson, born in Stockholm in 1922, is a real person, and she is not a Swede ! From
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3-g1yJLNZMk/UEoaae5UuCI/AAAAAAAAA0c/b5c3d8NmnRk/s720/USConsularReportsofBirths19101949_187253755.jpg)
John Simkin titled his Priscilla article with the name of Mccoy's Priscilla and did not correct the name after I informed him at least twice.:
Priscilla Johnson McMillan - Spartacus Educational
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKjohnsonPR.htm
Primary Sources ▽. Priscilla Johnson McMillan. Priscilla Johnson McMillan. Priscilla Livingston Johnson was born in Glen Cove, New York, on 19th July, 1928. As a student she was a member of the United World Federalists, an organization run by Cord Meyer. After graduating with a master's degree from Radcliffe College ...
Tom McCoy's father David was longtime democratic town chairman in NEW HAVEN. The Bones tomb is located at 52 High St., New Haven.
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1958/1101580120_400.jpg)
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/19344-who-had-the-greatest-motive-to-have-jfk-removed-from-office/?tab=comments#comment-257321
On 11/19/2011 at 5:40 AM, Tom Scully said:
It seems Briton Hadden's half brother, Crowell, and his first cousin, Time's managing editor John Martin, were able to overlook Henry Luce's incredible betrayal of his friend and partner, Briton Hadden, or they were keeping enemy Luce close for practical reasons.
Henry Luce also brought his own family into Time, Inc., in this example, a Mr. Moore, the husband of Luce's sister, Elizabeth :
"...Mr. Moore was associated with the firm (the law firm with which McCloy had spent fifteen years, the prestigious Cravath, Swaine & Moore (earlier known as Cravath, Henderson, Leffingwell and de Gersdorff)) from 1920 to 1967 and became presiding partner in 1963.
Cravath, Swaine & Moore became counsel for Time Inc. after the corporation moved its headquarters back to New York from Cleveland in 1927. The magazine was founded by Mr. Moore's brother-in-law, Henry Luce, in 1923..."
https://www.google.c...biw=811&bih=495
GILPATRIC'S ROLE IN TFX QUESTIONED; McClellan Raises an...
-
Hi Mac, John Kerry was Skull and Bones but what part do you think he played? I didn't deleted anything and I haven't seen your report on here? Can you repost it? Can you explain Bush's ship and object of interest? Thank you
-
That is how you lose me.....if you actually believe it is a reasonable assumption, i.e., LIKELY. Might, maybe, possibly, suspect, are all
reasonable, considering the actual evidence you are able to summon in support of your claim. I posted a likeness from a 1943 newspaper
article. You added five years to the 20 year span between 1943 and 1963. You already dismissed the bothersome detail of a twenty year
age difference between Geb and Oswald.
If your intent is to make a compelling case it was Geb impersonating Oswald, supplying little more than your opinion, explaining away the
problem of the age difference and describing the possibility as LIKELY, gets you exactly where?
My core point is, Lee, I know less than you, but enough to stay with maybe or possibly unless I can actually prove what I suspect.
Here are some facts. General Dynamics chairman Frank Pace was appointed to the Time, Inc. board in 1961 after he greased the skids
for Luce brother in law and former Time, Inc. publisher Maurice Moore and his law partner Rozwell Gilpatric to merge the defense contractor
with the business interests of Henry Crown and Conrad Hilton. This precipitated the TFX contract scandal and senate committee investigation.
When Luce died in 1967, Frank Pace and Maurice Moore were two of three Luce had handpicked to manage his estate and Time, Inc.
CD Jackson and his best friend graduated from the Hill School, a Pottstown, PA boarding school feeding graduates to Princeton.
Henry Luce hired Jackson's best friend and when he suddenly jumped from an NYC window to his death in the early 1930's, Luce
hired Jackson to replace his friend.
Attending Hill school simultaneously were Hill school and later Princeton roommates Phil Strong and Walker Brainard Spencer, both Princeton class
of 1924. In 1927, Spencer was best man in the wedding of Frank P. Burke, Jr., chief of the NOLA CIA office from 1947 to 1962. Spencer gave
a buffet dinner for Burke's daughter in 1950 when she was chosen Queen by anonymous Comus for Mardi Gras rituals.
Phil Strong's father was one of ten Jekyl Island, 1910 fathers of the Federal Reserve. Strong's grandson recently based a book on Phil Strong.
Gen. Philip Strong, USMC, as chief CIA science officer, is described in CIA documents as father of the U-2.
When Clare Luce was in the Rome embassy, she interacted with Tom McCoy, later the best friend of Clark Clifford law partner, Tom Finney.
The two recent CIA operatives McCoy and Finney interrupted their lives, attempting to deny RFK the 1968 nomination through their take over of the
"Clean for Gene" presidential campaign.
Lost Crusader: The Secret Wars of CIA Director William Colby - Page 57
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0195128478 (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1163&bih=528&tbm=bks&ei=LRZeWuHjCsL6zgKE7byQBA&q=angleton+mccoy+clare+luce+colby&oq=angleton+mccoy+clare+luce+colby&gs_l=psy-ab.12...3687.9985.0.11812.10.10.0.0.0.0.521.1204.9j5-1.10.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.x8zwMdHluec)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PriscillaMccoyClareLuce.jpg)
Tom McCoy was the husband of the other Priscilla Johnson. She was OSS London in WWII and her record was described by John Newman as merged
at CIA with the records of Priscilla Mary Post Johnson and a third P.J. McCoy's father-in-law was a US ambassador and a member of Nelson Rockefeller's
father's favorite Bar Harbor club, comprised of just 50 members.
John Simkin titled his Priscilla article with the name of Mccoy's Priscilla and did not correct the name after I informed him at least twice.:
Tom McCoy's father David was longtime democratic town chairman in NEW HAVEN. The Bones tomb is located at 52 High St., New Haven.
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1958/1101580120_400.jpg)
Tom, thanks for your post. The identification of MCMM as Geb was the most plausible I had seen documented. There was no need for Geb to be similar in appearance or age as Oswald if no one at the embassies knew Oswald. The CIA were carrying out photo surveillance of the embassies but guess what no photos of the real Oswald surface; only Geb.
My hypothesis (and I did state that) is that Geb impersonated Oswald but only by generating a paper trail in the name of Oswald.
Oswald was sent to MC but on an unrelated trip to meet a contact that didn't show up. This was part of the frame up organised by Philips.
-
The HSCA stated that the murder of JFK was probably the result of a conspiracy and that a new investigation should be undertaken as it differed so much from the fatally flawed WCR. On this basis it was a very significant conspiracy and cover up and not the work of even one complete government agency. Far more loyalty and trust was required and so the origins were likely a secret society. Look at The Skull and Bones Society at Yale and it's history. Some of the prominent members that had highest level involvement that immediately come to mind were:
- George H W Bush
- Malcolm Wallace
- Clark Clifford
- James Jesus Angleton
- McBundy George
- Prescott Bush
- Henry Luce
- William F Buckley
And JFK. Add him to the list.
-
And JFK. Add him to the list.
No, JFK was a Harvard man; the Skull and Bones was a Yale group.
-
The McGeorge Bundy connection to events surrounding JFK are interesting:
1) Bundy called off the air strike that would have wiped out the remainder of Cuba's air force planes that posed areal danger to the Bay of Pigs invasion force. He called it off very late on the day of the invasion and that action has been directly attributed to the failure of the invasion.
2) Bundy had a draft of NSAM 273 and signed it on 11/21/63 the day before JFK was killed and his whole cabinet were conveniently overseas. NSAM 273 was opposing JFK's Indochina policy and Vietnam plans. Strange whilst JFK was away and still alive. What did he know? Who instructed him? LBJ signed it I believe on the 26th