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General Discussion & Debate => General Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Craig Coleman on April 12, 2018, 03:01:03 PM

Title: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Craig Coleman on April 12, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
Please share any reasoning or evidence to support your vote!
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Tim Nickerson on April 12, 2018, 04:14:31 PM
Please share any reasoning or evidence to support your vote!

There's no evidence that the CIA was involved in any way in the assassination.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: John Pesa on April 13, 2018, 03:09:11 AM
Allen Dulles ran the CIA until JFK fired him for botching the Bay of Pigs Invasion.

The CIA did not use US Military ships for the Bay of Pigs Invasion because the US Government did not want their fingerprints on the Invasion.  The CIA used ships provided by the Gibraltar Steamship Company (the United Fruit Company) owned by John Moors Cabot. John Moors Cabot was Michael Paine's older cousin / uncle. Michael Paine's other uncle was Thomas Dudley Cabot who also ran the United Fruit Company. 

Michael Paine's uncles, John Moors Cabot and Thomas Dudley Cabot's United Fruit Company owned Swan Island, and the radio station on it that was used for the CIA's Coup D'etat in Guatemala and for the Bay of Pigs.  This links the United Fruit Company to both the interworking of the Bay of Pigs and the Coup D'etat in Guatemala. The individual who ran the Coup D'etat in Guatemala from the United Fruit Company's Radio Swan was the CIA's Psychological Operations leader, David Atlee Phillips.  David Atlee Phillips was the individual that had been at a meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the Assassination according to an affidavit written by Antonio Veciana. 

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.gr/2013/11/veciana-identiies-phillips-as-bishop.html

The United Fruit Company's Headquarters was a block away from where Lee Harvey Oswald was handing out leaflets for the FBI and CIA contractor, Guy Bannister (who's office was a stone's throw from a variety of Intelligence Offices in New Orleans). 

Now Warren Commissioners, John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles were both in the leadership of the United Fruit Company along with the Rockefellers and Michael Paine's uncles, Thomas Dudley Cabot and John Moors Cabot (who were very close friends with the Rockefellers.) The bottom line is that Warren Commission Members John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles knew Michael Paine's uncles so well that they would have had to disclose their close relationship in the leadership of the United Fruit Company, particularly given that the United Fruit Company was involved in great detail in the planning and execution of the Coup D'etat in Guatemala and the Bay of Pigs Invasion.  It would be impossible for the CIA Director, Allen Dulles not to know well enough to hold in matters of top, top secret matters involving Black Operations, Michael Paine's uncles.  Further, the Rockefellers never disclosed their close relationship with Michael Paine's uncles during their Rockefeller Commission.  Further, Michael Paine's own father was a boyhood sailing friend of the Rockefellers up in Bar Harbor, Maine.  John J. McCloy was the sailing instructor for the Rockefeller boys in Bar Harbor.  John J. McCloy's mother was the hairdresser for the Schiff Family (the US agent of the Rothschilds who funded Lenin and Trotsky to overthrow the Tsar.). Surprisingly, Michael Paine's father was not only a boyhood friend of the Rockefellers but was a close friend of Leon Trotsky.

https://polioforever.wordpress.com/john-j-mccloy/

Also, Warren Commissioner and the CIA Director that JFK fired, Allen Dulles founded the CIA's Propaganda Radio called Radio Free Europe with Dimitri VonMohrenshildt (Oswald's handler George DeMohrenshildt's brother.)  George DeMohrenshildt was also linked to the CIA in his activities in Haiti.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009REY2BS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

This is another link to propaganda radio, the first being David Atlee Phillips and Radio Swan, the second being Dimitri VonMohrenshildt, and the third is the party where Lee Harvey Oswald met George DeMohrenshildt or the "Magnolia Oil Party".  One of the hosts was the son of Radio Free Europe director Norman Fredricksen.  It is more than likely that George DeMohrenshildt, Dimitri VonMohrenshildt, and Allen Dulles all knew each other. 

http://jfka.org/jfk-assassination/rambler-3/6/

Priscilla Johnson McMillan, the woman who ended up being friends with Marina Oswald, stopped at a Radio Free Europe office on his way to Russia where she supposedly randomly met Lee Harvey Oswald and got an interview.

Beyond that, Allen Dulles's mistress was Mary Bancroft, who was a close friend of Michael Paine's mother. 

As you can see, way too many, way too many coincidences.  The CIA murdered a US President.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Robert Reeves on April 13, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
There's no evidence that the CIA was involved in any way in the assassination.

Obviously.

There is almost zero accountability within the CIA. It's not a hidden secret that the CIA practices deniability.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Craig Coleman on April 19, 2018, 03:01:08 PM
Obviously.

There is almost zero accountability within the CIA. It's not a hidden secret that the CIA practices deniability.

The CIA was put in charge of investigating the assassination so of course they are going to immediately deny their involvement and proclaim themselves innocent.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Tim Nickerson on April 19, 2018, 04:32:36 PM
The CIA was put in charge of investigating the assassination so of course they are going to immediately deny their involvement and proclaim themselves innocent.

The CIA was not put in charge of investigating the assassination.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Jack Trojan on April 19, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
Correct, they only had Dulles on board.

And Angleton.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 20, 2018, 12:51:05 PM
Correct, they only had Dulles on board.


Dulles had little influence on the investigation in the immediate aftermath of the murder..... J.Edgar Hoover was at the controls....
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 27, 2019, 08:53:14 PM
There's no evidence that the CIA was involved in any way in the assassination.
So they said.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Joe Mannix on April 27, 2019, 09:35:19 PM
Not the ENTIRE CIA. Mainly Dulles, Prescott Bush, his son, and the Operation 40 boys from Miami. It's by far the most logical answer.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 27, 2019, 10:34:36 PM
Not the ENTIRE CIA. 
Exactly. It's like saying some letter carrier from Wichita went berserk and shot some people and then everybody blames the entire Postal Service.  All of Langley and their subordinates did not go postal. It was a "rogue operation'' and consequently embarrassing to the agency.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Mike Orr on April 29, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
I think the bigger question would be , of all the Federal agencies , who wasn't involved in the murder of JFK ? We know the Patsy didn't fire a shot that day and he got the total blame . Too much pillow talk in D.C. ! They couldn't keep their mouth shut if their life depended on it and after seeing a lot of people get whacked . Now you know why ! Loose Lips sink ships !
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Joe Mannix on April 29, 2019, 11:30:26 PM
Hoover and the FBI would've been easy to blackmail into compliance. Same with the DPD.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Paul May on May 08, 2019, 11:43:22 PM
Allen Dulles ran the CIA until JFK fired him for botching the Bay of Pigs Invasion.

The CIA did not use US Military ships for the Bay of Pigs Invasion because the US Government did not want their fingerprints on the Invasion.  The CIA used ships provided by the Gibraltar Steamship Company (the United Fruit Company) owned by John Moors Cabot. John Moors Cabot was Michael Paine's older cousin / uncle. Michael Paine's other uncle was Thomas Dudley Cabot who also ran the United Fruit Company. 

Michael Paine's uncles, John Moors Cabot and Thomas Dudley Cabot's United Fruit Company owned Swan Island, and the radio station on it that was used for the CIA's Coup D'etat in Guatemala and for the Bay of Pigs.  This links the United Fruit Company to both the interworking of the Bay of Pigs and the Coup D'etat in Guatemala. The individual who ran the Coup D'etat in Guatemala from the United Fruit Company's Radio Swan was the CIA's Psychological Operations leader, David Atlee Phillips.  David Atlee Phillips was the individual that had been at a meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the Assassination according to an affidavit written by Antonio Veciana. 

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.gr/2013/11/veciana-identiies-phillips-as-bishop.html

The United Fruit Company's Headquarters was a block away from where Lee Harvey Oswald was handing out leaflets for the FBI and CIA contractor, Guy Bannister (who's office was a stone's throw from a variety of Intelligence Offices in New Orleans). 

Now Warren Commissioners, John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles were both in the leadership of the United Fruit Company along with the Rockefellers and Michael Paine's uncles, Thomas Dudley Cabot and John Moors Cabot (who were very close friends with the Rockefellers.) The bottom line is that Warren Commission Members John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles knew Michael Paine's uncles so well that they would have had to disclose their close relationship in the leadership of the United Fruit Company, particularly given that the United Fruit Company was involved in great detail in the planning and execution of the Coup D'etat in Guatemala and the Bay of Pigs Invasion.  It would be impossible for the CIA Director, Allen Dulles not to know well enough to hold in matters of top, top secret matters involving Black Operations, Michael Paine's uncles.  Further, the Rockefellers never disclosed their close relationship with Michael Paine's uncles during their Rockefeller Commission.  Further, Michael Paine's own father was a boyhood sailing friend of the Rockefellers up in Bar Harbor, Maine.  John J. McCloy was the sailing instructor for the Rockefeller boys in Bar Harbor.  John J. McCloy's mother was the hairdresser for the Schiff Family (the US agent of the Rothschilds who funded Lenin and Trotsky to overthrow the Tsar.). Surprisingly, Michael Paine's father was not only a boyhood friend of the Rockefellers but was a close friend of Leon Trotsky.

https://polioforever.wordpress.com/john-j-mccloy/

Also, Warren Commissioner and the CIA Director that JFK fired, Allen Dulles founded the CIA's Propaganda Radio called Radio Free Europe with Dimitri VonMohrenshildt (Oswald's handler George DeMohrenshildt's brother.)  George DeMohrenshildt was also linked to the CIA in his activities in Haiti.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009REY2BS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

This is another link to propaganda radio, the first being David Atlee Phillips and Radio Swan, the second being Dimitri VonMohrenshildt, and the third is the party where Lee Harvey Oswald met George DeMohrenshildt or the "Magnolia Oil Party".  One of the hosts was the son of Radio Free Europe director Norman Fredricksen.  It is more than likely that George DeMohrenshildt, Dimitri VonMohrenshildt, and Allen Dulles all knew each other. 

http://jfka.org/jfk-assassination/rambler-3/6/

Priscilla Johnson McMillan, the woman who ended up being friends with Marina Oswald, stopped at a Radio Free Europe office on his way to Russia where she supposedly randomly met Lee Harvey Oswald and got an interview.

Beyond that, Allen Dulles's mistress was Mary Bancroft, who was a close friend of Michael Paine's mother. 

As you can see, way too many, way too many coincidences.  The CIA murdered a US President.

Here we go again! 6 degrees of separation over and over and over again. Actual proof of CIA involvement?  None.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Paul May on May 08, 2019, 11:54:17 PM
The CIA was put in charge of investigating the assassination so of course they are going to immediately deny their involvement and proclaim themselves innocent.

The FBI was responsible for investigating the event.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Thomas Graves on May 08, 2019, 11:57:46 PM
And Angleton.

James J. Angleton, Tennent H. Bagley, and Newton S. "Scotty" Miler were three of the very few CIA officers who were on the right track regarding KGB's "active measures" counterintelligence operations (since 1921), and how they were artfully interwoven (since 1959, with the dispatch, by brand new "Department D" of the Second Chief Directorate -- today's FSB -- of GRU colonel Dimitri Polyakov to Washington to "volunteer" to work for the FBI and the CIA for a few months), with "strategic deception" counterintelligence operations.

Wake up, Neo.

-- MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Richard Rubio on May 09, 2019, 12:54:54 AM
James J. Angleton, Tennent H. Bagley, and Newton S. "Scotty" Miler were three of the very few CIA officers who were on the right track regarding KGB's "active measures" counterintelligence operations (since 1921), and how they were artfully interwoven (since 1959, with the dispatch, by brand new "Department D" of the Second Chief Directorate -- today's FSB -- of GRU colonel Dimitri Polyakov to Washington to "volunteer" to work for the FBI and the CIA for a few months), with "strategic deception" counterintelligence operations.

Wake up, Neo.

-- MWT   ;)

I'd agree, more like the KGB/GRU would have been involved.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Thomas Graves on May 09, 2019, 01:29:11 AM
I'd agree, more like the KGB/GRU would have been involved.

Angleton thought very highly of the post Bay of Pigs DGI, and said in so many words that it worked hand-in-glove with the KGB.

-- MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Bill Chapman on May 18, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
Everybody on the planet was involved in the assassination.

Except Oswald.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: W. Tracy Parnell on May 21, 2019, 11:44:29 AM
David Atlee Phillips was the individual that had been at a meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the Assassination according to an affidavit written by Antonio Veciana.

This "fact" has come under increased scrutiny. When Veciana testified under oath, he said Phillips was NOT "Bishop":

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-maurice-bishop-story.html
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on May 25, 2019, 08:30:15 PM
This "fact" has come under increased scrutiny. When Veciana testified under oath, he said Phillips was NOT "Bishop":

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-maurice-bishop-story.html
When and where did Veciana "write" an affidavit on this? Not to be snarky but I assume Mr. Pesa meant "signed" one?

As you've documented - and Veciana's supporters ignore - his story has drastically changed over the decades. Not only did he deny for more than three decades that Phillips was Bishop but his timeline for the alleged meetings and events simply don't make sense.

I found Bill Kelly's response, er, let's say interesting.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: W. Tracy Parnell on May 25, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
When and where did Veciana "write" an affidavit on this? Not to be snarky but I assume Mr. Pesa meant "signed" one?

As you've documented - and Veciana's supporters ignore - his story has drastically changed over the decades. Not only did he deny for more than three decades that Phillips was Bishop but his timeline for the alleged meetings and events simply don't make sense.

I found Bill Kelly's response, er, let's say interesting.

No affidavit that I am aware of, just Fonzi's interviews with Veciana and his 3 testimonies. Only one of those testimonies is available, the other two are missing. Kelly is probably not a happy camper. First, Mel Ayton (with some help from Morley and Talbot) debunked the contention that Joannides, Gordon Campbell and Davis Morales were present at the Ambassador Hotel the night RFK was shot. Kelly had spent a considerable amount of time over at EF defending Bradley Ayers who was one of the individuals who "identified" the 3 CIA men. Ayers has apparently made all sorts of unfounded claims that are ripe for debunking. Secondly, Newman, myself and others are looking at Veciana's assertions and finding they don't make sense. So some of the old "CIA-did-it" chestnuts are disappearing.
Title: Re: Was the CIA involved in the JFK assassination?
Post by: Jon Banks on May 29, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
I dont believe the CIA as an organization had any involvement in JFKs assassination but the agency participated in Cover Ups because some individuals who were affiliated with the CIA in the early 60s (ie Mafia members and/or anti-Castro Cubans) mightve conspired with Oswald.