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Title: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Alice Thorton on April 05, 2018, 02:17:32 AM
Watching the Zapruder, Bell, and Nix film that all have 3 different angles lead me to believe that Oswald did NOT act alone

The Grassy Knoll came to be famous because that's where they think the fatal head shot wound could have come from if there were multiple gunmen. From my conclusions (opinions) I believe there was a gunman on the grassy knoll. Since I was proven wrong saying that the Malcolm Wallace fingerprint was "debunked," and that Oswald's fingerprint's and such were proven to be on the 6th floor of the Depository, I believe that Wallace shot the fatal head shot from the Grassy Knoll. If you look at a high definition, slow motion, video of the Zapruder film the shot looks like it's coming from the front which is the famous Grassy Knoll!!! The way he falls to the back of the seat and then onto his left side of Jackie just makes sense that he was shot from the front right side. It wouldn't make any sense for that shot to come from the back. The neck shot and the curb side shot I believe did come from the 6th floor, but I believe that the shot that hit his head was from the Grassy Knoll by Malcolm Wallace, who has worked with Edward Clark and Johnson... Coincidence? I think not.

 (http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/Dealey-plaza-annotated.jpg)
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 05, 2018, 07:54:25 AM
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Watching the Zapruder, Bell, and Nix film that all have 3 different angles lead me to believe that Oswald did NOT act alone

The Grassy Knoll came to be famous because that's where they think the fatal head shot wound could have come from if there were multiple gunmen. From my conclusions (opinions) I believe there was a gunman on the grassy knoll. Since I was proven wrong saying that the Malcolm Wallace fingerprint was "debunked," and that Oswald's fingerprint's and such were proven to be on the 6th floor of the Depository, I believe that Wallace shot the fatal head shot from the Grassy Knoll. If you look at a high definition, slow motion, video of the Zapruder film the shot looks like it's coming from the front which is the famous Grassy Knoll!!! The way he falls to the back of the seat and then onto his left side of Jackie just makes sense that he was shot from the front right side. It wouldn't make any sense for that shot to come from the back. The neck shot and the curb side shot I believe did come from the 6th floor, but I believe that the shot that hit his head was from the Grassy Knoll by Malcolm Wallace, who has worked with Edward Clark and Johnson... Coincidence? I think not.

 (http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/Dealey-plaza-annotated.jpg)

No bullet can throw a body like that. Not enough mass.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Alice Thorton on April 05, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
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No bullet can through a body like that. Not enough mass.

So you're saying that Oswald acted alone then?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: James Dahl on April 05, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
There may have been multiple shooters but there were no shots from the front, all ballistics indicate all shots came from behind
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 05, 2018, 06:58:30 PM
  And the head going backwards question?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Duncan MacRae on April 05, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
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  And the head going backwards question?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: James Dahl on April 05, 2018, 07:15:39 PM
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  And the head going backwards question?

Irrelevant, cone shaped exit wound on the top right half of the head, bullet sized entry wound on the rear of the head.  Expanding bullet from the rear killed Kennedy.  You can even see Kennedy's head explode precisely from the exit wound in the film.  Bullet exit wounds explode out, not the entry.  If Kennedy's entry wound was in the front, you wouldn't see the front explode out like that.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 05, 2018, 07:17:53 PM
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So you're saying that Oswald acted alone then?

I can't prove that it was Oswald
No one has proven a conspiracy

Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 05, 2018, 07:37:20 PM
 James apparently your claim is that your interpretation of what can be seen in the head wound in the Zapruder film takes precedence over the laws of physics?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: James Dahl on April 05, 2018, 07:45:09 PM
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James apparently your claim is that your interpretation of what can be seen in the head wound in the Zapruder film takes precedence over the laws of physics?

First off the Zapruder film is suspect, and secondly the laws of physics don't contradict a shot to the rear.  The energy of the impact would be very small because it's a jacketed bullet, the explosive force of the exit wound would be greater than the force of the entry wound so physics actually says Kennedy's head should go backwards, not forwards.

But this is irrelevant anyways because Kennedy wasn't a test dummy but a human being, whos body was still alive when the bullet destroyed his brain and death spasms would cause more motion than any bullet impact, parsing small body movements is a fools errand.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: James Dahl on April 05, 2018, 08:08:41 PM
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What makes you believe it was a jacketed bullet? Again any video to support your video I am sure there plenty of examples of peoples and animals bodies moving in the direction of the force applied to it, but I am yet to see bodies, or parts of bodies blown off by bullets, coming in the opposite direction of a bullet

Because it's not the 19th century?  All bullets are jacketed, that doesn't mean FMJ, I believe the lethal head shot was an expanding bullet for instance, but the entry wound is a small neat hole.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: James Dahl on April 05, 2018, 08:21:12 PM
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What makes you believe it was a jacketed bullet?

It hit the target?  Pure lead bullets melt and deform in the air and this causes weird deformations that cause them to go off target
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 05, 2018, 09:09:48 PM
 Sorry My bad I thought the link was not posting, and did not realize I needed to go to page two And of course as a conspiracy theorist I was imaging the powers that be were refusing my posts Kind of funny in a way, but I am sorry probably pretty frustrating on your end

  So according to your understanding of ballistics bodies and parts of bodies regularly move in the direction of the bullet Please provide examples of this phenomenon
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 05, 2018, 10:36:42 PM
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So you're saying that Oswald acted alone then?

Sorry Alice, I meant to say no bullet can throw a body... damn spellchecker
Plus there are YouTube vids showing animals being shot in the head: they just fall straight down.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 06, 2018, 05:42:04 AM
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Sorry Alice, I meant to say no bullet can throw a body... damn spellchecker
Plus there are YouTube vids showing animals being shot in the head: they just fall straight down.

 Are you saying no significant portions of his skull flew off upon impact?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 06, 2018, 03:00:30 PM















Just to follow up on the mention of the additional bullet fragments in the limo and in JFK's skull

http://22november1963.org.uk/jfk-assassination-neutron-activation-analysis









Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Alice Thorton on April 07, 2018, 01:53:31 PM
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There may have been multiple shooters but there were no shots from the front, all ballistics indicate all shots came from behind

Yes I know they indicated that but in the film it literally looks like it came from the front so how do you explain that?!
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Alice Thorton on April 07, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
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Look, after he gets shot in the neck, Jackie is trying to help and talk to him and then the fatal head shot causes him to hit the back and fall to the left on Jackie
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Alice Thorton on April 07, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
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I can't prove that it was Oswald
No one has proven a conspiracy

I know you can't prove it, but I'm asking for your opinion since you didn't clearly state it
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 07, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
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I know you can't prove it, but I'm asking for your opinion since you didn't clearly state it

I'm 100% sure that Oswald probably did it.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 07, 2018, 05:29:01 PM
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I'm 100% sure that Oswald probably did it.

  Nothing like certainty of equivocation Maybe you were trying to be humorous?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 07, 2018, 06:27:09 PM
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  Nothing like certainty of equivocation Maybe you were trying to be humorous?

Congrats, you're the first to recognize that.
You see, I can't prove it; but c'mon...
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Matt Grantham on April 07, 2018, 06:58:28 PM
 There is some old expression like "closely gathered conclusions loosely held' that for me at least seems related to what you are trying to get at
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Alice Thorton on April 09, 2018, 06:21:56 PM
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I'm 100% sure that Oswald probably did it.

Do you think Oswald shot all 3 shots? Or do you think he had help from another person?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 09, 2018, 07:03:49 PM
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Do you think Oswald shot all 3 shots? Or do you think he had help from another person?

I see no evidence of a second shooter.
I see no evidence of Oswald needing help.

Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Jack Trojan on April 09, 2018, 10:13:52 PM
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I see no evidence of a second shooter.
I see no evidence of Oswald needing help.

What about the blow out in the back of JFK's head?
What about the entrance wound in JFK's throat?
What about the exploding head shot?
What about the bullet hole in the windshield?
What about the magic bullet's impossible trajectory?
What about Greer slowing the limo down to the "Turkey shoot point"?
What about 2 of 3 shots finding their mark looking thru a wonky scope?
What about Oswald keeping the useless scope on the MC after disassembling/reassembling it?
What about the Keystone DPD's handling of the crime scene?
What about there not being a single print on the MC after disassembling/reassembling it?
Etc...

How can you claim Oswald 100% probably did it when you can't explain a single "what about.." listed above?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Bill Brown on April 09, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
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What about the blow out in the back of JFK's head?
What about the entrance wound in JFK's throat?
What about the exploding head shot?
What about the bullet hole in the windshield?
What about the magic bullet's impossible trajectory?
What about Greer slowing the limo down to the "Turkey shoot point"?
What about 2 of 3 shots finding their mark looking thru a wonky scope?
What about Oswald keeping the useless scope on the MC after disassembling/reassembling it?
What about the Keystone DPD's handling of the crime scene?
What about there not being a single print on the MC after disassembling/reassembling it?
Etc...

How can you claim Oswald 100% probably did it when you can't explain a single "what about.." listed above?

How do you know the scope was used?
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: Jack Trojan on April 09, 2018, 11:29:03 PM
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So Oswald truly was a superhuman marksman then? I'd like to see someone match that feat exactly how you describe it. Expert marksmen couldn't even do it with a sighted scope. So after Oswald's 1st shot, he realized his scope was wonky, so he switched to the iron sights to score a 2 for 2, all in under 10 secs? :D You keep telling yourself that. But if he was such a super-marksman, then surely he would have known the scope would be useless and removed it from the rifle before smuggling its parts into the TSBD in a paper bag, correct?

BTW, the fact that it took 3 shims to realign the scope before the FBI could even hit the target means the scope was never sighted-in. No way. Which means Oswald must have practiced with the rifle with the wonky scope and didn't bother to sight it in or else he never shot the rifle. WTF? Otherwise, there is no way an unpracticed shooter could have possibly pulled off a 2 for 2 on that day, the way you describe it.

How come Oswald didn't take the 1st shot as the limo turned onto Elm? Sitting duck served up on a silver platter. It didn't get any better than that.
Title: Re: Oswald did NOT act alone
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 10, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
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  Nothing like certainty of equivocation Maybe you were trying to be humorous?

Yes, he cracks himself up.