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Title: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 25, 2023, 10:46:10 PM
The Nazi party banned and burned books....

Now the GOP is calling for books being banned.... A downward slope?

So much for small Government and freedom of speech, right?
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on March 26, 2023, 05:48:25 PM
The Nazi party banned and burned books....

Now the GOP is calling for books being banned.... A downward slope?

So much for small Government and freedom of speech, right?

The Nazi party from "Europe" where Martin claims to live?  The place that originated fascism and the inquisition among endless other atrocities.  No book is banned in the US.  Every book written in history is available.   Every single one.  This is some kind of fake talking point to deflect from the real disasters unfolding under Ukraine Joe.   Some parents don't want their children to read pornography in school.  Big deal.   If other parents want their kids to read some sexually explicit material at a young age, they are free to buy any book they desire.   To compare that situation to the Nazis is not only idiotic but insulting to the many real victims of the Nazis.  You should be embarrassed and ashamed to peddle such nonsense.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 26, 2023, 06:24:19 PM
The Nazi party from "Europe" where Martin claims to live?  The place that originated fascism and the inquisition among endless other atrocities.  No book is banned in the US.  Every book written in history is available.   Every single one.  This is some kind of fake talking point to deflect from the real disasters unfolding under Ukraine Joe.   Some parents don't want their children to read pornography in school.  Big deal.   If other parents want their kids to read some sexually explicit material at a young age, they are free to buy any book they desire.   To compare that situation to the Nazis is not only idiotic but insulting to the many real victims of the Nazis.  You should be embarrassed and ashamed to peddle such nonsense.

Utter BS... The Republicans are showing us all who they really are and what they are about. I didn't compare anything to the Nazis, simply because they are not there yet, but they most certainly are on a slippery slope.

Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on March 26, 2023, 09:19:08 PM
Utter BS... The Republicans are showing us all who they really are and what they are about. I didn't compare anything to the Nazis, simply because they are not there yet, but they most certainly are on a slippery slope.

Shameful.  Your groveling doesn't change what you actually said.  Clearly and directly comparing Republicans to actual Nazis:

The Nazi party banned and burned books....

Now the GOP is calling for books being banned.... A downward slope?
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 26, 2023, 09:48:54 PM
Shameful.  Your groveling doesn't change what you actually said.  Clearly and directly comparing Republicans to actual Nazis:

The Nazi party banned and burned books....

Now the GOP is calling for books being banned.... A downward slope?

Clearly and directly comparing Republicans to actual Nazis:

It's an easy comparison to make, but they are not there yet.....




Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on March 27, 2023, 02:15:46 PM
It's shameful that such hate speech is allowed on this forum.

So, now you want to ban free speech as well?

Nobody is comparing Americans to Nazis. Most Americans do not fit the comparison, but in every basket there are rotten apples. They need to be called out before history repeats itself.

The title of this thread and every comment you have made is to equate Republicans to Nazis.  You have done it yet again here.  Shameful. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 27, 2023, 03:54:34 PM
The title of this thread and every comment you have made is to equate Republicans to Nazis.  You have done it yet again here.  Shameful.

And you falsely tried to make about all Americans being Nazis..

What is shameful is banning of books, storming the Capitol building, trying to kidnap Governer Whitmer, inciting violence to a New York D.A., disturbing a children's event as the proud boys recently tried to do, mess with people's lives by banning abortions and basically declaring war on the LGBTQ. The list goes on and on and there isn't one Republican who speaks out against it! And the worst part of it is they have the nerve to call themselves patriots in "the land of the free"....

Who the shoe fits....
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on March 27, 2023, 04:47:03 PM
And you falsely tried to make about all Americans being Nazis..

What is shameful is banning of books, storming the Capitol building, trying to kidnap Governer Whitmer, inciting violence to a New York D.A., disturbing a children's event as the proud boys recently tried to do, mess with people's lives by banning abortions and basically declaring war on the LGBTQ. The list goes on and on and there isn't one Republican who speaks out against it! And the worst part of it is they have the nerve to call themselves patriots in "the land of the free"....

Who the shoe fits....

Someone really hates America.  It is hard to decipher what you are even raving about with these false claims.  No one has banned any book.  Every book written in human history is freely available to any US citizen who wants to purchase it.  To compare that situation to the Nazis is not only hate speech but actually factually incorrect. Some parents are rightfully concerned that their children are being exposed to sexually explicit material by crazy leftists.  That is a perfectly reasonable concern.  They are not domestic terrorists per Old Joe and his Stasi-like justice department but responsible people.  Even if you believe young children should be exposed to such material, to compare that situation to the Nazis burning of books is pathetic.  An insult to Americans and the victims of the holocaust.  You should be ashamed. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 27, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
Someone really hates America.  It is hard to decipher what you are even raving about with these false claims.  No one has banned any book.  Every book written in human history is freely available to any US citizen who wants to purchase it.  To compare that situation to the Nazis is not only hate speech but actually factually incorrect. Some parents are rightfully concerned that their children are being exposed to sexually explicit material by crazy leftists.  That is a perfectly reasonable concern.  They are not domestic terrorists per Old Joe and his Stasi-like justice department but responsible people.  Even if you believe young children should be exposed to such material, to compare that situation to the Nazis burning of books is pathetic.  An insult to Americans and the victims of the holocaust.  You should be ashamed.

They are not domestic terrorists per Old Joe and his Stasi-like justice department but responsible people.

He gets upset when it is pointed out that the Republicans are on a slippery slope to Nazism, but has no problem to call the US Department Stasi-like. What a hypocrite!

And what do those so-called "responsible people" really do? They ban a book about Rosa Parks.... as if that's sexually explicit.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on March 27, 2023, 05:09:49 PM
They are not domestic terrorists per Old Joe and his Stasi-like justice department but responsible people.

He gets upset when it is pointed out that the Republicans are on a slippery slope to Nazism, but has no problem to call the US Department Stasi-like. What a hypocrite!

And what do those so-called "responsible people" really do? They ban a book about Rosa Parks.... as if that's sexually explicit.

Maybe define what you mean by "banning" a book.  You appear to have some bizarre subjective interpretation to fit your desired narrative.  For example, do you think every school library must make available every book written?  And if they fail to do so a book is somehow considered "banned"?  You do realize that Americans can literally buy any book ever written via Amazon and other online sources.  Not a single book in the US is banned.  Schools with the input of parents can make decisions on their own curriculum including the books that are available from the school library.  Ironically, what you are suggesting is uncontested governmental control without the input of citizens.  Old Joe and his clown show will decide for parents what their children read.  That sounds more like the totalitarian Nazi form of government than what you are raving about. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 27, 2023, 05:38:55 PM
Maybe define what you mean by "banning" a book.  You appear to have some bizarre subjective interpretation to fit your desired narrative.  For example, do you think every school library must make available every book written?  And if they fail to do so a book is somehow considered "banned"?  You do realize that Americans can literally buy any book ever written via Amazon and other online sources.  Not a single book in the US is banned.  Schools with the input of parents can make decisions on their own curriculum including the books that are available from the school library.  Ironically, what you are suggesting is uncontested governmental control without the input of citizens.  Old Joe and his clown show will decide for parents what their children read.  That sounds more like the totalitarian Nazi form of government than what you are raving about.

For example, do you think every school library must make available every book written?  And if they fail to do so a book is somehow considered "banned"?

If a book was previously used at a particular school and now isn't anymore because some extreme right wing nuts don't like it and don't want their children to learn about Rosa Parks, then yes, that's considered banning a book.

Schools with the input of parents can make decisions on their own curriculum including the books that are available from the school library.

Children shouldn't have to go to school and be tought only that what their right wing parents want them to be tought. And why should a handful of parents determine the curriculum for all the children?

Ironically, what you are suggesting is uncontested governmental control without the input of citizens.  Old Joe and his clown show will decide for parents what their children read.

Name one instance where the Biden adminstration has banned a book from any school! You can't, because they haven't done it. It's just the fake excuse the right wing nuts use to justify their own censorship.

That sounds more like the totalitarian Nazi form of government than what you are raving about.

There is only one party in the US who wants politicians to decide about abortions, who supports book banning parents, who will not let LGBTQ people have the freedom to live their life as they want to, who interfere with criminal investigations, who lie about "stolen elections" and who incite and defend violence.... and that's not the Democratic party.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on March 27, 2023, 06:13:34 PM


Schools with the input of parents can make decisions on their own curriculum including the books that are available from the school library.

Children shouldn't have to go to school and be tought only that what their right wing parents want them to be tought. And why should a handful of parents determine the curriculum for all the children?



And there you have it.  The totalitarian mantra.  Parents should keep quiet and just let the schools (that are paid for by the parents) decide what their children learn even if inappropriate.  Their children should be indoctrinated by the powers in control because any dissenter from the party line is a dangerous "nut."  Lenin and Hitler would agree with that proposition.  That's how dictatorships maintain power.  American schools have been taken over by individuals who do not represent the views of most of their constituents.  When this happens in a democracy, the affected individuals have every right to express their concerns and seek change.  It is the direct opposite of what happened in Nazi Germany.  In fact, it is the fundamental basis of a democracy.   And every book remains available to any person who wishes to read it.  There are no books banned by the government or anyone else.  That is myth to fit a desired narrative. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 27, 2023, 07:14:02 PM
And there you have it.  The totalitarian mantra.  Parents should keep quiet and just let the schools (that are paid for by the parents) decide what their children learn even if inappropriate.  Their children should be indoctrinated by the powers in control because any dissenter from the party line is a dangerous "nut."  Lenin and Hitler would agree with that proposition.  That's how dictatorships maintain power.  American schools have been taken over by individuals who do not represent the views of most of their constituents.  When this happens in a democracy, the affected individuals have every right to express their concerns and seek change.  It is the direct opposite of what happened in Nazi Germany.  In fact, it is the fundamental basis of a democracy.   And every book remains available to any person who wishes to read it.  There are no books banned by the government or anyone else.  That is myth to fit a desired narrative.

Utter BS

Parents should keep quiet

Nobody said that


and just let the schools (that are paid for by the parents) decide what their children learn even if inappropriate.

Schools are supposed to be the educators. If the parents don't like the curriculum they can take their kids elsewhere. That's their right. What isn't their right is to impose their extreme right wings ideas onto all the children.

Their children should be indoctrinated by the powers in control because any dissenter from the party line is a dangerous "nut." 

Complete paranoia. Parents can take their children to any school they like. There is no obligation for them to place the kids in a particular school. And yes, parents who try to impose their opinions on others are indeed dangerous. Even more so when they start banning books that teach about American history!

Lenin and Hitler would agree with that proposition.  That's how dictatorships maintain power.

Exactly. That's why the Republicans are in favor of books being banned from the curriculum! They want to impose their world view on everybody. You've just made my point for me. There isn't a single Democrate who advocates the banning of books.

American schools have been taken over by individuals who do not represent the views of most of their constituents.

Yeah right... a classic bogus Republican talking point. Republicans think they get to decide which schools comply with their agenda and those who don't get tagged with this crap.

When this happens in a democracy, the affected individuals have every right to express their concerns and seek change.

What "affected individuals"? All they have to do is sent their kids to another school. Problem solved, right? But no, instead they threaten schoolboards and teachers to get their way. And that has nothing to do with democracy.

It is the direct opposite of what happened in Nazi Germany.

Actually, no it isn't. Hilter's ilk imposed their will on the majority of the German people.

And every book remains available to any person who wishes to read it.

Except not in school libraries where Republicans had it removed from the curriculum. Go figure....
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 08, 2023, 10:15:05 AM
The Nazi party banned and burned books....

Now the GOP is calling for books being banned.... A downward slope?

So much for small Government and freedom of speech, right?

GOP fascists have already banned books from schools and libraries. So much for the "freedoms" right wingers scream about.

GOP fascists are have taken away a woman's right to choose, and in Idaho, right wingers have passed legislation prohibiting women from leaving the state to seek an abortion. Republicans are keeping its citizens from interstate travel. So much for "freedom".

GOP fascists are discriminating against the LGBTQ community and passing discriminatory laws against them.

GOP fascists in Tennessee have expelled 2 black Democratic Tennessee State Representatives for exercising their First Amendment rights but did not expel the white Democrat woman.

GOP fascists are telling teachers what they can or can't do in the classroom wanting parents to interfere in the education system.

GOP fascists are passing laws to force children in public schools to recite the Ten Commandments.   

GOP fascists believe in big government as they are controlling our lives by how they want us to live. They want to control what we read, what we can say, how we can do our jobs, and what we can do with our bodies.         

But for violent criminals and mentally unstable people, the fascist GOP will allow them to buy as many assault weapons they like to commit mass shootings. That's the freedom they are giving mass shooters as American citizens have to live in fear of gun violence each day of their lives.   
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 19, 2023, 02:28:08 PM
GOP fascists have already banned books from schools and libraries. So much for the "freedoms" right wingers scream about.

GOP fascists are have taken away a woman's right to choose, and in Idaho, right wingers have passed legislation prohibiting women from leaving the state to seek an abortion. Republicans are keeping its citizens from interstate travel. So much for "freedom".

GOP fascists are discriminating against the LGBTQ community and passing discriminatory laws against them.

GOP fascists in Tennessee have expelled 2 black Democratic Tennessee State Representatives for exercising their First Amendment rights but did not expel the white Democrat woman.

GOP fascists are telling teachers what they can or can't do in the classroom wanting parents to interfere in the education system.

GOP fascists are passing laws to force children in public schools to recite the Ten Commandments.   

GOP fascists believe in big government as they are controlling our lives by how they want us to live. They want to control what we read, what we can say, how we can do our jobs, and what we can do with our bodies.         

But for violent criminals and mentally unstable people, the fascist GOP will allow them to buy as many assault weapons they like to commit mass shootings. That's the freedom they are giving mass shooters as American citizens have to live in fear of gun violence each day of their lives.   

The only book that I'm aware of that has been "banned" is the manifesto of the radical leftist terrorist in the recent Nashville shooting that the FBI is suppressing. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 19, 2023, 02:53:57 PM
The only book that I'm aware of that has been "banned" is the manifesto of the radical leftist terrorist in the recent Nashville shooting that the FBI is suppressing.

That's a meaningless statement as you clearly are not aware of a great many things. That's what living in the MAGA bubble does to you.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 19, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
That's a meaningless statement as you clearly are not aware of a great many things. That's what living in the MAGA bubble does to you.

Not sure what you are rambling about here.  You appeared to be concerned with "banned" books in the US.  A demonstrably false talking point.  You also have espoused theories that involve the FBI fabricating evidence in the assassination of JFK.  But suddenly you are not interested in the FBI suppressing information in a recent terrorist attack.  Nothing to see there.  It is meaningless and apparently has something to do with Trump?  LOL.  You are just a neutral arbiter of the facts with no agenda.  Right? 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 19, 2023, 08:18:42 PM
Not sure what you are rambling about here.  You appeared to be concerned with "banned" books in the US.  A demonstrably false talking point.  You also have espoused theories that involve the FBI fabricating evidence in the assassination of JFK.  But suddenly you are not interested in the FBI suppressing information in a recent terrorist attack.  Nothing to see there.  It is meaningless and apparently has something to do with Trump?  LOL.  You are just a neutral arbiter of the facts with no agenda.  Right?

Not sure what you are rambling about here. 

Of course you don't, but for a clueless individual that's normal...

You appeared to be concerned with "banned" books in the US.  A demonstrably false talking point.  You also have espoused theories that involve the FBI fabricating evidence in the assassination of JFK.  But suddenly you are not interested in the FBI suppressing information in a recent terrorist attack.

Just how pathetic can your "reasoning" get?

Banning books in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) is indeed a problem, but the manifest of some idiot killer isn't a book and it isn't banned. It's evidence and the FBI will have it's reasons for not releasing that information at this time, no matter how desperately you want to get your hands on it.

It is meaningless and apparently has something to do with Trump?

It only has to do with Trump in as much as that you must be unaware of many things to support that con man.

You are just a neutral arbiter of the facts with no agenda.  Right?

Did I say that?

Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 19, 2023, 10:05:35 PM
And there you have it.  The totalitarian mantra.  Parents should keep quiet and just let the schools (that are paid for by the parents) decide what their children learn even if inappropriate.  Their children should be indoctrinated by the powers in control because any dissenter from the party line is a dangerous "nut."  Lenin and Hitler would agree with that proposition.  That's how dictatorships maintain power.  American schools have been taken over by individuals who do not represent the views of most of their constituents.  When this happens in a democracy, the affected individuals have every right to express their concerns and seek change.  It is the direct opposite of what happened in Nazi Germany.  In fact, it is the fundamental basis of a democracy.   And every book remains available to any person who wishes to read it. There are no books banned by the government or anyone else.  That is myth to fit a desired narrative.


The Nazi party from "Europe" where Martin claims to live?  The place that originated fascism and the inquisition among endless other atrocities. No book is banned in the US. Every book written in history is available.   Every single one.  This is some kind of fake talking point to deflect from the real disasters unfolding under Ukraine Joe.   Some parents don't want their children to read pornography in school.  Big deal.   If other parents want their kids to read some sexually explicit material at a young age, they are free to buy any book they desire.   To compare that situation to the Nazis is not only idiotic but insulting to the many real victims of the Nazis.  You should be embarrassed and ashamed to peddle such nonsense.


Maybe define what you mean by "banning" a book.  You appear to have some bizarre subjective interpretation to fit your desired narrative.  For example, do you think every school library must make available every book written?  And if they fail to do so a book is somehow considered "banned"?  You do realize that Americans can literally buy any book ever written via Amazon and other online sources. Not a single book in the US is banned. Schools with the input of parents can make decisions on their own curriculum including the books that are available from the school library.  Ironically, what you are suggesting is uncontested governmental control without the input of citizens.  Old Joe and his clown show will decide for parents what their children read.  That sounds more like the totalitarian Nazi form of government than what you are raving about.

Wrong again.

Some of these books have been available for decades and now these right wing fascists are banning books.

These right wing fascists are trying to erase the LGBTQ community.

Authors Of Banned Books Are Fed Up – and Fighting Back
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/05/1168219569/authors-of-banned-books-are-fed-up-and-fighting-back

THESE 176 BOOKS WERE BANNED IN DUVAL COUNTY, FLORIDA
https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

‘Don’t Say Gay’ expansion requested by DeSantis approved
https://apnews.com/article/desantis-florida-dont-say-gay-ban-684ed25a303f83208a89c556543183cb
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 20, 2023, 06:11:59 PM


Wrong again.

Some of these books have been available for decades and now these right wing fascists are banning books.

These right wing fascists are trying to erase the LGBTQ community.

Authors Of Banned Books Are Fed Up – and Fighting Back
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/05/1168219569/authors-of-banned-books-are-fed-up-and-fighting-back

THESE 176 BOOKS WERE BANNED IN DUVAL COUNTY, FLORIDA
https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

‘Don’t Say Gay’ expansion requested by DeSantis approved
https://apnews.com/article/desantis-florida-dont-say-gay-ban-684ed25a303f83208a89c556543183cb

A demonstrably false talking point.  Not every book ever written can be kept in a school or library.  And some books are not age appropriate for school children.  No reasonable person would take issue with that conclusion.  EVERY book ever written in human history is available to the parents of any child who wishes to buy it.  Every single book.  No book is banned in the US.   The only writing that I know of that is currently banned from the public is the manifesto of the radical leftist terrorist who attacked a religious school.  It is has been illegally suppressed by the FBI from the public.   No one has access to it.  That is what is meant by a "banned" book. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 20, 2023, 07:36:01 PM
A demonstrably false talking point.  Not every book ever written can be kept in a school or library.  And some books are not age appropriate for school children.  No reasonable person would take issue with that conclusion.  EVERY book ever written in human history is available to the parents of any child who wishes to buy it.  Every single book.  No book is banned in the US.   The only writing that I know of that is currently banned from the public is the manifesto of the radical leftist terrorist who attacked a religious school.  It is has been illegally suppressed by the FBI from the public.   No one has access to it.  That is what is meant by a "banned" book.

Calling a manifesto of a terrorist (which is evidence, btw) a book is like calling you intelligent.

No one has access to it.  That is what is meant by a "banned" book.

Wrong again. It isn't a book and hasn't been published, which is why no one has access to it. That, and the fact of course, that the FBI is not in the habit of releasing a piece of evidence to idiots who claim it's a banned book!
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 21, 2023, 03:55:18 AM
Right wing fascists havs already banned interstate travel, books, and now they are going after our libraries.

Right wingers claim to be "champions of the First Amendment" and against censorship, but they are taking away our First Amendment rights and implementing censorship laws.   

Right wingers want to force people to live under their phony "Christian" beliefs.

We are a nation that has a separation of church and state, but radical right wingers dismiss what our founding fathers established our nation under and are now forcing their radical religious beliefs on Americans under their minority rule.

Right wing religious fanatics are forcing women, including young girls, to give birth to their rapists babies. In Idaho, radical right wingers passed a law prohibiting women from leaving to go to another state to seek an abortion. This is total Nazi fascism by banning women from traveling, holding women hostage in Idaho, and preventing them from freely crossing stateline.           

Radical right wingers don't like the fact that the history of slavery and the civil rights movement is being discussed in our schools which has always been part of the school curriculum. Right wingers call it "Critical Race Theory" and are banning the subjects and books on civil rights from schools because of their obvious racism trying to erase a significant period in American history.

Radical right wingers want to throw teachers in jail that teach on those subjects.

Radical right wingers are discriminating and attacking the LGBTQ community daily trying to erase them from society.

This is what happens in a fascist society and Republicans are pushing their fascism on the overwhelming majority of Americans that do not support it.

This is not the America that we know. It's Republican fascism.


Idaho Becomes First State To Restrict Interstate Travel For Abortion
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/04/06/idaho-becomes-first-state-to-restrict-interstate-travel-for-abortion/?sh=2c9465886c50


Missouri Republicans threaten to defund public libraries in stunning move over book bans

Library groups and civil rights organisations say the latest proposal is in retaliation for a lawsuit over a recently enacted state law that threatens educators with criminal punishment
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/missouri-republicans-defund-libraries-b2318645.html
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 21, 2023, 01:26:24 PM
Calling a manifesto of a terrorist (which is evidence, btw) a book is like calling you intelligent.

No one has access to it.  That is what is meant by a "banned" book.

Wrong again. It isn't a book and hasn't been published, which is why no one has access to it. That, and the fact of course, that the FBI is not in the habit of releasing a piece of evidence to idiots who claim it's a banned book!

LOL.  This is comedy gold.  Even from you.  It has to be published but it can't be published because the FBI has suppressed it !!!!!  HA HA HA  So it is not banned.  But because a school decides that a book is not age appropriate it is banned EVEN though it can be freely bought by anyone.  Of course the point isn't whether a book has a nice cover, but whether the content is available to the public.  If the government suppresses the content, it is banned.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 21, 2023, 01:42:44 PM
Right wing fascists havs already banned interstate travel, books, and now they are going after our libraries.



Completely false.  No one has banned interstate travel.  That is bizarre.  Do you think any sane person believes that interstate travel has been banned in the US?  Ukraine Joe doesn't even enforce the international boundaries but has allowed millions to cross into the US illegally and distributed them around the country like a tourist service in the biggest drug and sex trafficking operation in history.  There are laws that do preclude crossing state lines in the commission of a crime.  That doesn't mean anyone is precluded from crossing a state line, however. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 21, 2023, 04:45:06 PM
LOL.  This is comedy gold.  Even from you.  It has to be published but it can't be published because the FBI has suppressed it !!!!!  HA HA HA  So it is not banned.  But because a school decides that a book is not age appropriate it is banned EVEN though it can be freely bought by anyone.  Of course the point isn't whether a book has a nice cover, but whether the content is available to the public.  If the government suppresses the content, it is banned.

Why do you insist in demonstrating your total ignorance, time after time?

It has to be published but it can't be published because the FBI has suppressed it !!!!!  HA HA HA  So it is not banned.

Since when does a terrorist manifesto have to be published?

But because a school decides that a book is not age appropriate it is banned EVEN though it can be freely bought by anyone.

It's extreme right wing idiots who really decide it (for everybody else, I might add) and so a book previously available in a school library isn't anymore, because it is banned by that library.

Why don't you right wing fools own the things you are doing, instead of trying to weasel your way out of taking responsibility for your actions?


Of course the point isn't whether a book has a nice cover, but whether the content is available to the public.  If the government suppresses the content, it is banned.

What book or content has the Government suppressed?
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 23, 2023, 10:17:20 PM
The right wing insanity continues. Iowa Republicans are now forcing children to work long hours.   

Iowa’s Senate advances bill to loosen child labor laws
https://apnews.com/article/iowa-child-labor-bill-d2546845dd6ad7ec0a2c74fb3fc0def3
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 23, 2023, 10:42:20 PM
The right wing insanity continues. Iowa Republicans are now forcing children to work long hours.   

Iowa’s Senate advances bill to loosen child labor laws
https://apnews.com/article/iowa-child-labor-bill-d2546845dd6ad7ec0a2c74fb3fc0def3

If it were up to the Republican clowns the country would go back to the way things were a couple of hundered years ago.

Next up; the Samel witch hunts, the sequel, and Scrooge for President!
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 23, 2023, 10:55:39 PM
If it were up to the Republican clowns the country would go back to the way things were a couple of hundered years ago.

Next up; the Samel witch hunts, the sequel, and Scrooge for President!

That's what MAGA wants. They want to take us back to how the country was before Lincoln. Every single law they are passing is a throwback to those days especially with their discrimination laws.

Republicans claim to be "pro life" but they want to kill women that have an abortion. So I guess this is Salem coming back again. Like I said, it's pure insanity.

21 South Carolina GOP Lawmakers Propose Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions
It’s not just a lone extremist: The bill has 21 co-sponsors in the state’s House of Representatives
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/south-carolina-death-penalty-abortion-1234695566/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 24, 2023, 02:53:51 PM
If it were up to the Republican clowns the country would go back to the way things were a couple of hundered years ago.

Next up; the Samel witch hunts, the sequel, and Scrooge for President!

The most recent poll indicates that 74% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction and 54% of Dems don't want Biden to even run.  But keep dreaming.  It is amazing that someone from "Europe" is so obsessed with the US.  Most Americans couldn't care less about any country in "Europe" or name even a single leader there.  It is a place to vacation.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 24, 2023, 06:32:49 PM
The most recent poll indicates that 74% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction and 54% of Dems don't want Biden to even run.  But keep dreaming.  It is amazing that someone from "Europe" is so obsessed with the US.  Most Americans couldn't care less about any country in "Europe" or name even a single leader there.  It is a place to vacation.

It is amazing that someone from "Europe" is so obsessed with the US.

Except, I'm not "from Europe", I've just live there now because I prefer it in so many ways over the US. Face it, who would want to live in a country where his grandchildren are at danger of being shot at school every day, where fanatical zealots are promoting facism, where right wing idiots try to overthrow the government and where I needed armed guards to protect my and my family's homes.

Most Americans couldn't care less about any country in "Europe" or name even a single leader there.

Most Americans don't even know where Europe is and they most certainly haven't go a clue about just how much better life is there. That's a level of ignorance that got Trump elected.

It is a place to vacation.

Please don't. Go to North Korea or Russia....
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 25, 2023, 03:23:19 AM
The most recent poll indicates that 74% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction and 54% of Dems don't want Biden to even run.  But keep dreaming.  It is amazing that someone from "Europe" is so obsessed with the US.  Most Americans couldn't care less about any country in "Europe" or name even a single leader there.  It is a place to vacation.

Not true.

The most recent right wing poll shows President Biden with a 48% approval rating.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/prez_track_apr24

Democrats are united behind President Biden who is the greatest jobs President in history.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/us/politics/biden-2024-democrats.html

74% of Americans disapprove with right wing fascism forcing women to give birth and allowing gun violence in America.   

Democrats just defeated Republicans in a landslide for the Wisconsin Supreme Court seat.

The 2024 election is going to be based on democracy vs right wing fascism. The majority of Americans will re-elect President Biden over a right wing fascist.

GOP polls are underwater. 59% disapprove of Republicans.     
 
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ftl6Dk7XoAgw3jf?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 25, 2023, 05:13:04 AM
Completely false.  No one has banned interstate travel.  That is bizarre.  Do you think any sane person believes that interstate travel has been banned in the US?
 
Idaho becomes first US state to restrict interstate travel for abortion care
https://www.salon.com/2023/04/06/despicable-idaho-becomes-first-us-state-to-restrict-interstate-travel-for-abortion-care_partner/

Ukraine Joe doesn't even enforce the international boundaries but has allowed millions to cross into the US illegally and distributed them around the country like a tourist service in the biggest drug and sex trafficking operation in history.  There are laws that do preclude crossing state lines in the commission of a crime.  That doesn't mean anyone is precluded from crossing a state line, however.

False.

Number of Immigrants Detained by ICE Has Increased 70 Percent Under Biden
https://truthout.org/articles/number-of-immigrants-detained-by-ice-has-increased-70-percent-under-biden/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 25, 2023, 05:17:49 AM
A demonstrably false talking point.  Not every book ever written can be kept in a school or library.  And some books are not age appropriate for school children.  No reasonable person would take issue with that conclusion.

False again. These books have been in school libraries for decades.   

EVERY book ever written in human history is available to the parents of any child who wishes to buy it.  Every single book.  No book is banned in the US.  The only writing that I know of that is currently banned from the public is the manifesto of the radical leftist terrorist who attacked a religious school.  It is has been illegally suppressed by the FBI from the public.   No one has access to it.  That is what is meant by a "banned" book.

Illegally suppressed? The FBI is still investigating the shooters motives so it's not being "suppressed". 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 26, 2023, 03:02:48 PM
False again. These books have been in school libraries for decades.   

Illegally suppressed? The FBI is still investigating the shooters motives so it's not being "suppressed".

Libraries often change the books that they choose to make available for many reasons.  That doesn't mean a book is banned.  EVERY book in human history is available to any American who wishes to purchase it.  There has been no time in history when so many books are available at our fingertips.  You can literally order any book online and have it seconds later.  It is a leftist talking point fantasy to suggest that because some parents and school board members object to certain books because of the sexual content, that this books is somehow banned.  Laughable.  If anything, it is actually radical leftists who are attempting to ban books or even imprison authors for "misgendering" individuals.  They are also censoring books to change content to suit their radical woke agenda.  That is 1984 stuff.

In stark contrast, the radicalized leftist manifesto has been banned by the federal government.  There is no public access to that document.   Could it be made available to the public while the FBI continues to "investigate the shooters motive"?  Of course it could.  It is idiotic to suggest that making the manifesto public would somehow infringe on the FBI's ability to analyze the document.  Even you can't believe that is the reason.  They are clearly suppressing this document for as long as possible for political purposes.  Hoping that the news cycle moves on and interest wanes before the contents are released. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 27, 2023, 04:05:36 AM
Montana Republicans have just voted to ban State Rep. Zooey Zephyr simply for speaking up against an anti-transgender bill. Another example of Republican fascism in broad daylight. Republicans are still continuing to discriminate against American citizens with fascist laws. When elected Reps speak out against this travesty these same Republicans vote to silence their voice. 

Montana House votes to discipline Rep. Zephyr, ban from floor, agenda
https://dailymontanan.com/2023/04/26/montana-house-votes-to-discipline-rep-zephyr-ban-from-floor-agenda/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 27, 2023, 01:28:54 PM
Where have we seen this before?  According to Wash Post, the recently leaked documents confirm that Afghanistan has once again become a terrorist haven.   Imagine that.  After 20 years of the establishment politicians and generals telling the US public that all was going great, the whole thing unraveled in a single week.  Compounded by the disgraceful and incompetent exit administered by Old Joe and his clown show.  Leaving an estimated $8 billion in military equipment to the Taliban.  You can't make that kind of thing up.  An act of treason.  No one was even fired, though.  Russia was emboldened by that weakness to invade Ukraine.  China has been emboldened to invade Taiwan.  And Ukraine Joe is trying to read note cards to remember who the WH reporters are that ask questions.  It is surreal.  And the topper is that he could be president for another six years because of the obsessed Trump haters who care about nothing except keeping Trump from office!   Imagine Biden's mental and physical condition in a few more years.  It is frightening.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on April 28, 2023, 04:38:08 AM
Where have we seen this before?  According to Wash Post, the recently leaked documents confirm that Afghanistan has once again become a terrorist haven.   Imagine that.  After 20 years of the establishment politicians and generals telling the US public that all was going great, the whole thing unraveled in a single week.  Compounded by the disgraceful and incompetent exit administered by Old Joe and his clown show.  Leaving an estimated $8 billion in military equipment to the Taliban.  You can't make that kind of thing up.  An act of treason.  No one was even fired, though.  Russia was emboldened by that weakness to invade Ukraine.  China has been emboldened to invade Taiwan.  And Ukraine Joe is trying to read note cards to remember who the WH reporters are that ask questions.  It is surreal.  And the topper is that he could be president for another six years because of the obsessed Trump haters who care about nothing except keeping Trump from office!   Imagine Biden's mental and physical condition in a few more years.  It is frightening.

Afghanistan is a terrorist haven because Criminal Donald released 5000 Taliban terrorists. Imagine that.

Criminal Donald also removed nearly all of our troops giving Biden nothing to work with for the withdrawal.

Criminal Donald caved to the Taliban surrendering to their demands as they were cheering. Total weakness and incompetence from Donnie.   

This was Trump's disaster and everybody knew it would be, but those on the right want to blame Biden for it...totally pathetic.

You can read all about Trump's Afghanistan disaster below and you all should remember it because we all lived through it.


Trump’s perilous approach to Afghanistan
23 Nov 2020
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/trumps-perilous-approach-to-afghanistan/

Military officials blindsided by Trump announcement of early US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan
Oct 8, 2020
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/10/08/taliban-cheer-trump-tweet-promising-early-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

U.S to free 5,000 Taliban fighters, lift sanctions on leaders in Afghan peace deal
March 1, 2020

The U.S. will free up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners and begin to remove economic sanctions on top Taliban leaders under the terms of a deal signed Saturday between the two sides.

The Trump administration’s long-awaited peace agreement with the Taliban — which could see the U.S. remove all of its 13,000 troops from Afghanistan within the next 14 months — includes a host of major concessions that have drawn fire from critics who say American national security could suffer. Key U.S. officials officially signed the pact on Saturday and the four-page document was released publicly soon after.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/1/us-free-5000-taliban-fighters-lift-sanctions-leade/


Taliban talks: US peace envoy 'not happy about' release of prisoners
14September 2020
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54155768

Trump 'to order further troop withdrawal' from Afghanistan and Iraq
16 November 2020
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54968200

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10/13/trump-ordered-rapid-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-election-loss/

Trump put 5,000 Taliban fighters back in battle and tied Biden’s hands in Afghanistan
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/13/2045701/-Trump-put-5-000-Taliban-fighters-back-in-battle-and-tied-Biden-s-hands-in-Afghanistan

Trump's Afghanistan withdrawal announcement takes US officials by surprise
Tweet calling for troops’ return by Christmas puts peace negotiations in jeopardy and was greeted enthusiastically by the Taliban
8 October 2020

Donald Trump has announced on Twitter that he wants to bring all US troops home from Afghanistan by Christmas – a plan that came as a surprise to administration officials and which puts complicated peace negotiations in jeopardy.

Multiple officials told the Associated Press they had not been informed of any such deadline and military experts said it would be impossible to withdraw all 5,000 US troops in Afghanistan and dismantle the US military headquarters by the end of the year.

They suggested the president’s claim was aimed at shifting the news cycle away from coronavirus coverage and that the Pentagon would not act on the order before the 3 November US election.

The announcement was, however, greeted enthusiastically by the Taliban on Thursday. If Trump follows through, the militant group would almost certainly claim it as a victory, after decades of couching their fight as a war against foreign aggression.

“It’s no surprise that the Taliban have welcomed Trump’s announcement that he’d have the troops home by Christmas. They spent 19 years fighting for this,” said Ashley Jackson, the director of the ODI’s Centre for the Study of Armed Groups.

“This is the last leverage the US had left in talks with the Taliban, and Trump is proposing to give it away for free.”

Without the prospect of US military pressure, the Taliban would have little incentive to stay at the negotiating table with representatives of the Kabul government.

From a practical point of view, disentangling a 19-year military presence would take considerably longer than two months.

“It’s October, so no – it’s ridiculous. It’s simply can’t happen,” said Jason Dempsey, a former infantry officer who served in Afghanistan. “We could make some superficial show of pulling out uniformed troops, but obviously we still have a very massive contractor presence, and we would need a uniformed headquarters to oversee the shutdown and withdrawal of everything we have in country.”

Trump has made impulsive policy announcements about Afghanistan on Twitter before, including calling off a US-Taliban summit last year, shortly before a withdrawal agreement was first expected to be signed.

He also has a record of ordering abrupt and total troop withdrawals from foreign deployments. In most cases the Pentagon has sought to mitigate and slow the speed of the pullout but in some case the president has prevailed in bringing soldiers back home.

The Afghan government and Taliban negotiators are currently attempting to hammer out a new political settlement for the country in the Qatari capital. The peace talks were set up under a withdrawal agreement signed earlier this year between the Taliban and Trump’s administration.

The US-Taliban deal laid out a full departure of American forces by May 2021 but only if conditions on counter-terrorism were met, including severing ties with al-Qaida. Some critics of the Doha talks argue that the militants are merely marking time until the departure of US troops.

Trump’s plans were announced in a tweet late on Wednesday night. The White House doubled down on the message on Thursday morning: “our troops in Afghanistan are coming home by the end of the year”, the official Twitter account for the administration said.

It was the latest in a long line of ad hoc policy announcements from Trump that have caught his own advisers and military by surprise. His national security adviser, Robert O’Brien, had said shortly before Trump tweeted that troop numbers would be brought down to 2,500 early next year.

About 4,500 troops are currently on the ground in Afghanistan, reduced from over 12,000 when the deal was signed in February.

The Pentagon referred all requests for comment on Afghanistan drawdown plans to the White House.

The Taliban welcomed Trump’s remarks as “a positive step towards the implementation of [the] Doha agreement”, a spokesman for the Islamist group, Mohammad Naeem, said in a statement, referring to the US withdrawal deal.

Peace talks have been progressing slowly, with negotiators still trying to lay out the ground rules for their discussion. They are currently stalled on which school of Islam should be used when settling disputes.

Trump has made a promise to “end” America’s wars overseas part of his bid for re-election this year, promising to bring troops home from a constellation of conflict zones including Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

But past pledges to bring back troops have often been abandoned, reversed or only partially completed.

After ordering a total withdrawal of US troops from Syria in October 2019, Trump was persuaded to let some stay on the grounds that they would protect oil installations there. A US military presence has remained, but it is about half the size of the thousand-strong force that was supporting Kurdish forces in northern Syria.

In July, the Pentagon announced it was pulling nearly 12,000 troops out of Germany, after Trump called for a total withdrawal to punish the Berlin government over policy disagreements.

Senior military officials made clear it would take years to redeploy that number of troops, and Congress is scrutinising the order. The drawdown of foreign deployed forces was dwarfed by the dispatch of 10,000 US troops to the Gulf following the killing of the Iranian general Qassem Suleimani in January.

Dempsey, now adjunct senior fellow of the military, veterans and society program at the Center for a New American Security, said the Pentagon would wait to see the outcome of the presidential election before carrying out major troop movements.

“I think the lesson we all should have learned after four years is the president’s conception of his powers doesn’t go anywhere beyond his enjoyment of having an expanded Twitter presence,” he said. “We’ve become so inured to these kind of kneejerk attempts to win the news cycle that nobody will be talking about this 48 hours from now.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/donald-trump-afghanistan-us-troops-taliban
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on April 29, 2023, 06:13:42 PM
Hopefully RFK runs as a third party candidate after he gets cheated by the Dems in the same way Bernie was cheated.   ABC news is already censoring his interviews.  Unreal.  The leftist media is deciding what RFK should be allowed to say.  Nevertheless, RFK is surging in the polls as the bottom drops out for Old Joe.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 01, 2023, 03:12:48 AM
Republicans want to tell you how to live your lives. That's big government overreach.

Book bans and restrictions are a losing issue for Republicans
https://www.businessinsider.com/book-banning-in-america-losing-issue-for-republicans-2023-2
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 01, 2023, 01:29:13 PM
Republicans want to tell you how to live your lives. That's big government overreach.

Book bans and restrictions are a losing issue for Republicans
https://www.businessinsider.com/book-banning-in-america-losing-issue-for-republicans-2023-2

Yes, it's the republicans who want big government.  LOL.  Like it was the republicans who wanted to "defund" the police after the George Floyd incident.  Oh yeah, the republicans also want an open border.  And the republicans.....it's all Trump's fault.  Baghdad Bob strikes again. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 02, 2023, 10:35:09 PM
Right wing fascism is alive and well. They want to control what you can do with your lives.

Librarians Decry GOP Moves to Ban Books in Schools
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/01/13/librarians-decry-gop-moves-to-ban-books-in-schools
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 04, 2023, 03:07:59 AM
Just more Republican fascism where Republicans will overturn elections they lose to give themselves a victory against the will of the people. No freedom exists with the fascist GOP.


Texas Bill Will Give Republican Official Power to Overturn Elections
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-bill-will-give-republican-official-power-overturn-elections-1797955
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 04, 2023, 10:15:21 PM
These radical Republican book bans are all about discrimination.

More Republican leaders try to ban books on race, LGBTQ issues
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/13/1055524205/more-republican-leaders-try-to-ban-books-on-race-lgbtq-issues
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 05, 2023, 02:46:00 PM
These radical Republican book bans are all about discrimination.

More Republican leaders try to ban books on race, LGBTQ issues
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/13/1055524205/more-republican-leaders-try-to-ban-books-on-race-lgbtq-issues

With the world literally spiraling into chaos and disaster under Ukraine Joe and his corrupt family, the best radicalized leftists have to deflect attention is a fake talking point on banned books.  Currently, the only banned writing in the entire US is the manifesto of the leftist terrorist in Nashville.  Every book ever written in human history is available to any American citizen.  Concerned parents and school board members removing a book from a public school for age-based content is not a ban.  Even if this false claim is repeated over and over. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 06, 2023, 04:23:42 AM
Republicans hate democracy and the First Amendment. They want to control what you can read and ban whatever they don't like. That is fascism.

The rising Republican movement to defund public libraries
Libraries bolster democracy. Republicans want to get rid of them.
https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/5/5/23711417/republicans-want-to-defund-public-libraries-book-bans
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 09, 2023, 03:35:49 AM
Radical right wing extremist Republicans are forcing children to work and overturning child labor laws.

A New Republican Assault on Children: Overturning Labor Laws
https://www.citywatchla.com/index.php/cw/important-reads/26902-a-new-republican-assault-on-children-overturning-labor-laws
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 09, 2023, 09:25:09 PM
Republicans are all in favor of forcing children to work in deplorable conditions.

From stakeouts to warrants: How federal investigators found more than 100 children cleaning slaughterhouses

Watch: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-investigation-into-slaughterhouse-cleaning-company-that-hired-children-60-minutes-transcript-2023-05-07/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 11, 2023, 03:42:20 AM
So, Republicans want to work kids to the bone in deplorable conditions. The party of "family values".

Conservative campaign rewriting child labor laws
Iowa among states where Florida group is finding traction
https://www.thegazette.com/news/conservative-campaign-rewriting-child-labor-laws/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 11, 2023, 01:27:00 PM
Of all the astounding hypocrisy by the leftists, perhaps none surpasses that of the Mayors of the sanctuary cities complaining bitterly about the illegal immigrants being shipped there by Old Joe.  You want them, you got them.  Deal with it.  And they are only getting a small fraction of the millions crossing the border with no end in sight.  Texas and other border states are being overrun. The streets are filling with people sleeping on the sidewalks.  The idiotic Biden clown show are giving these folks court dates to appear before releasing them.  Take a number.  They are currently at over 2 million pending court dates.  The next scheduled court appointment is in 2027!   Chaos and disaster follow Ukraine Joe at every turn.  It is the leitmotiv of his political career.  Or as Obama said "Don't underestimate the ability of Joe to F things up."
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 11, 2023, 10:24:53 PM
Censorship and taking away your freedoms is what the Republican believes in.


Republican surge on book bans and defunding libraries

Brittany Packnett Cunningham joins Katie Phang to talk about the latest GOP-led legislations restricting books and cutting funding for public libraries.

Watch:

Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 11, 2023, 11:32:36 PM
A disastrous situation is unfolding on the border.  The greatest mass migration in human history.  There is complete chaos.  Drugs, sex trafficking and millions of unknown individuals are flooding across the border.  There is no plan.  This will cost the US trillions in the coming decades.  More Americans have already died in ONE year from the drugs crossing the border than in the entire Vietnam war.  And no end in sight. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 12, 2023, 03:26:30 AM
Republican right wing fascism continues as they are banning history books from schools that includes civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks who fought for the civil rights of African Americans.

The goal of these racist radical right wing extremists is to erase the history they don't like keeping it permanently censored from public education.

The radical right calls civil rights that was taught in schools since the 1960's "Critical Race Theory" and right wingers vote to ban civil rights books and history from being taught in the classroom. GOP fascism is alive and well.


Martin Luther King, Jr., Rosa Parks Books Among Those Banned in Penn. School District
https://www.newsweek.com/martin-luther-king-jr-rosa-parks-books-among-those-banned-penn-school-district-1630953
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 13, 2023, 03:44:15 AM
The radical right wants to ban history from America and they claim to be about "liberty and freedom".

Right-Wing “Moms for Liberty” Group Wants ‘Anti-American’ MLK Jr. Book Banned From Schools
https://www.essence.com/news/mlk-book-ban/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 15, 2023, 05:09:34 AM
More right wing fascism.

Florida textbook altered to remove references to Rosa Parks’s race: report
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3905312-florida-textbook-altered-to-remove-references-to-rosa-parkss-race-report/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 16, 2023, 01:12:42 PM
Dems mayors of "sanctuary" cities are demanding a meeting with Old Joe as a small fraction of the millions of illegal immigrants flood their cities.  Such hypocrisy.  They will have to find a way to pay for their own agenda.  Good luck with that.  Enjoy the flood of drugs and crime.  Law abiding citizens and businesses are fleeing these Dem controlled areas in the tens of thousands.   Moving to places like Florida where they still have law and order and common sense.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 16, 2023, 01:29:11 PM
Dems mayors of "sanctuary" cities are demanding a meeting with Old Joe as a small fraction of the millions of illegal immigrants flood their cities.  Such hypocrisy.  They will have to find a way to pay for their own agenda.  Good luck with that.  Enjoy the flood of drugs and crime.  Law abiding citizens and businesses are fleeing these Dem controlled areas in the tens of thousands.   Moving to places like Florida where they still have law and order and common sense.

You really need to stop making stuff up. It's boring and unconvincing.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 16, 2023, 01:35:22 PM
You really need to stop making stuff up. It's boring and unconvincing.

I made up that Dem mayors are demanding a meeting regarding the illegals flooding their cities?  Someone should inform the media to make a correction to these reports:

Bloomberg:

"Mayors Implore Washington for Help on Influx of Migrants
Some 175 city leaders will meet with President Joe Biden on Friday to discuss paths to immigration reform."

USA Today:

"Biden meets with mayors amid calls for federal help on migrant crisis, urges comprehensive reform"

Politico:

‘We have been ignored’: Democrat-led cities beg Biden for help with migrants
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 16, 2023, 03:14:39 PM
I made up that Dem mayors are demanding a meeting regarding the illegals flooding their cities?  Someone should inform the media to make a correction to these reports:

Bloomberg:

"Mayors Implore Washington for Help on Influx of Migrants
Some 175 city leaders will meet with President Joe Biden on Friday to discuss paths to immigration reform."

USA Today:

"Biden meets with mayors amid calls for federal help on migrant crisis, urges comprehensive reform"

Politico:

‘We have been ignored’: Democrat-led cities beg Biden for help with migrants

Nope... but it's pretty clear why you picked just that part and ignored the stuff you are actually making up.

There are no "millions of illegal immigrants" flooding any city.
Nor is there a "flood of drugs and crime"
And there are no "tens of thousands" of citizens and bussiness fleeing.

It's all just your usual untrue fear mongering
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 16, 2023, 04:57:43 PM
Nope... but it's pretty clear why you picked just that part and ignored the stuff you are actually making up.

There are no "millions of illegal immigrants" flooding any city.
Nor is there a "flood of drugs and crime"
And there are no "tens of thousands" of citizens and bussiness fleeing.

It's all just your usual untrue fear mongering

LOL.  Tell it to the Dem mayors of those cities:

DENVER (KDVR) — Denver Mayor Michael Hancock joined the mayors of other major U.S. cities in a letter urging President Joe Biden to meet with them to discuss the influx of asylum seekers arriving from the border.

The letter was written by the Office of New York City Mayor Eric Adams. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass and Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner also signed the letter alongside Hancock.

The letter was dated Friday, May 12, one day after Title 42 ended.

“This is a matter of grave importance to us as we are experiencing a dramatic influx of asylum seekers and anticipate even more [after the end of Title 42],” the letter explained.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 16, 2023, 05:16:14 PM
Incredibly, the migrant crisis has gotten so out of hand that NYC is housing illegals in public schools having no idea who these people are.  Imagine the parent of a schoolchild who goes to a school where the government is housing potential terrorists and sexual predators?  It's unreal.  No wonder even radical Mayor Adams of the so-called sanctuary city of NYC has had enough of Old Joe's open border policy. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 16, 2023, 11:41:47 PM
LOL.  Tell it to the Dem mayors of those cities:

DENVER (KDVR) — Denver Mayor Michael Hancock joined the mayors of other major U.S. cities in a letter urging President Joe Biden to meet with them to discuss the influx of asylum seekers arriving from the border.

The letter was written by the Office of New York City Mayor Eric Adams. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass and Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner also signed the letter alongside Hancock.

The letter was dated Friday, May 12, one day after Title 42 ended.

“This is a matter of grave importance to us as we are experiencing a dramatic influx of asylum seekers and anticipate even more [after the end of Title 42],” the letter explained.

And to you "an influx" means "millions of illegal immigrants" flooding those cities as well as "flood of drugs and crime"?

Utter BS.... As per usual you blow things out of every reasonable proportion. Fearmongering is your (only) game.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 16, 2023, 11:45:16 PM
Incredibly, the migrant crisis has gotten so out of hand that NYC is housing illegals in public schools having no idea who these people are.  Imagine the parent of a schoolchild who goes to a school where the government is housing potential terrorists and sexual predators?  It's unreal.  No wonder even radical Mayor Adams of the so-called sanctuary city of NYC has had enough of Old Joe's open border policy.

Imagine the parent of a schoolchild who goes to a school where the government is housing potential terrorists and sexual predators?

So now, immigrants are "potential terrorists and sexual predators"? And what are the American nutjobs who kill people every day in mass shootings? Angels perhaps? You make me sick....
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 17, 2023, 04:07:26 AM
Republican right wing fascism. They want to control your lives.

Republican war on books: They don't just want to control your body — next up, your mind
Gutting public schools, targeting booksellers, shutting down libraries: Every censorship tactic is on the table
https://www.salon.com/2022/08/11/on-books-on-schools-libraries-and-even-bookstores-is-just-beginning/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 18, 2023, 02:13:22 PM
And to you "an influx" means "millions of illegal immigrants" flooding those cities as well as "flood of drugs and crime"?

Utter BS.... As per usual you blow things out of every reasonable proportion. Fearmongering is your (only) game.

Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data?  And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths.  There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war.   You are as bad as Baghdad Bod.

NBC News:

"The number of undocumented immigrant crossings at the southwest border for fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking the previous annual record by more than 1 million, according to Customs and Border Protection data."

NY Times:

"U.S. Recorded Nearly 110,000 Overdose Deaths in 2022"
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 18, 2023, 07:58:17 PM
Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data?  And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths.  There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war.   You are as bad as Baghdad Bod.

NBC News:

"The number of undocumented immigrant crossings at the southwest border for fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking the previous annual record by more than 1 million, according to Customs and Border Protection data."

NY Times:

"U.S. Recorded Nearly 110,000 Overdose Deaths in 2022"

You said;

LOL.  Tell it to the Dem mayors of those cities:

DENVER (KDVR) — Denver Mayor Michael Hancock joined the mayors of other major U.S. cities in a letter urging President Joe Biden to meet with them to discuss the influx of asylum seekers arriving from the border.

The letter was written by the Office of New York City Mayor Eric Adams. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass and Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner also signed the letter alongside Hancock.

The letter was dated Friday, May 12, one day after Title 42 ended.

“This is a matter of grave importance to us as we are experiencing a dramatic influx of asylum seekers and anticipate even more [after the end of Title 42],” the letter explained.


It's 2023 now. Why are you now coming up with numbers allegedly from 2022?

And what has "an influx of asylum seekers" to do with "undocumented immigrant crossings at the southwest border for fiscal year 2022"? 

There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war. 

Where does it say that those 110,000 overdose deaths were caused by drugs crossing the border in 2022?
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 18, 2023, 10:08:00 PM
Americans are sick of the right wing fascist anti American Republican laws that right wingers are shoving down their throats.

That's why Republicans lost badly on Tuesday night's elections all across the country. Americans are sick of these anti freedom-pro fascist Republican laws of banning books, forcing women to give birth, and discriminatory laws that goes after people Republicans do not like. These issues were the number one reason people went to the polls. And in 2024, Republicans will still run on this extreme fascist platform, and they will lose again. The overwhelming majority of Americans oppose right wing fascism that the GOP supports.

Yemi Mobolade becomes Colorado Springs’s first elected mayor who is Black or non-Republican
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4010745-yemi-mobolade-becomes-colorado-springs-first-black-and-non-republican-mayor/     
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 20, 2023, 08:07:47 AM
Now Republicans are defunding libraries
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/opinion/columns/now-republicans-are-defunding-libraries/article_db944b5f-5290-5c2d-81d2-660e69b9b768.html
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 21, 2023, 09:50:40 PM


There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war. 

Where does it say that those 110,000 overdose deaths were caused by drugs crossing the border in 2022?

LOL.  Are we are playing whack-a-mole again as you take issue with a claim, the evidence is provide, and you move on to something else?  You were disputing the claim that millions crossed the border and that there were record drug deaths under Old Joe.  Now we are moving on since those facts have been proven by the Biden administration's own data? And quibbling about it being 2022 data?  HA HA HA.   It is 2022 data because we are only five months into 2023.  We won't have the 2023 numbers until the end of this year.  And who was in office in 2022?  Still Ukraine Joe.  Embarrassing. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 21, 2023, 09:58:13 PM
Imagine the parent of a schoolchild who goes to a school where the government is housing potential terrorists and sexual predators?

So now, immigrants are "potential terrorists and sexual predators"? And what are the American nutjobs who kill people every day in mass shootings? Angels perhaps? You make me sick....

Race baiting doesn't work.  No person is allowed to stay on school property unless they are subject a background check.  Teachers, aides, janitors etc all are subject to background checks regardless of race or citizenship.  They do background checks on adults who are present at schools to ensure they are not sexual predators or criminals.  That is common sense.  Even you must be capable of understanding that.  No adult would be allowed to move into a school and live there.  It is a safety concern for the children.  That, however, is exactly what the leftists were doing with unknown illegal immigrants.  Housing them in a school with children while not knowing who these people are or anything about their background.  They must have realized this was the case once it came to light because these people were removed.  So write to the politicians expressing your idiotic opinion that you believe they are racist if that is your point.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 22, 2023, 03:05:54 AM
Republicans are now trying to control what a teacher can do in the classroom. That's why Republicans continue to lose elections. People are tired of fascists trying to control their lives with their right wing extremist beliefs.   

Republicans Are Determined to Stop Teachers from Educating Students
https://shepherdexpress.com/news/taking-liberties/republicans-are-determined-to-stop-teachers-from-educating-s/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 22, 2023, 01:17:48 PM


Where does it say that those 110,000 overdose deaths were caused by drugs crossing the border in 2022?

Even leftist CNN acknowledges this fact:

CNN:
Illicit fentanyl that originates abroad is one of the most damaging weapons employed against our homeland, destroying lives and families across our country.

The drug is the leading cause of death for Americans ages 18 to 49, according to a Washington Post analysis. And based on figures released by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an average of 195 Americans died every single day in 2021 due to this lethal drug, which is primarily smuggled into the US from Mexico. To put that in perspective, that is about the equivalent of the death total on 9/11 about every 15 days.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 22, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
LOL.  Are we are playing whack-a-mole again as you take issue with a claim, the evidence is provide, and you move on to something else?  You were disputing the claim that millions crossed the border and that there were record drug deaths under Old Joe.  Now we are moving on since those facts have been proven by the Biden administration's own data? And quibbling about it being 2022 data?  HA HA HA.   It is 2022 data because we are only five months into 2023.  We won't have the 2023 numbers until the end of this year.  And who was in office in 2022?  Still Ukraine Joe.  Embarrassing.

What evidence is provided? You haven't presented a damned thing.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 22, 2023, 01:42:01 PM
Even leftist CNN acknowledges this fact:

CNN:
Illicit fentanyl that originates abroad is one of the most damaging weapons employed against our homeland, destroying lives and families across our country.

The drug is the leading cause of death for Americans ages 18 to 49, according to a Washington Post analysis. And based on figures released by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, an average of 195 Americans died every single day in 2021 due to this lethal drug, which is primarily smuggled into the US from Mexico. To put that in perspective, that is about the equivalent of the death total on 9/11 about every 15 days.

I don't care what CNN or the Washington Post says or doesn't say. Claims are made all the time. That doesn't make them automatically true.

But now we know that when it suits your purpose you'll gladly take the word of "leftist" media? Are you one of those fools who believes everything he reads in a paper or hears on TV or Radio?
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 22, 2023, 02:08:58 PM
I don't care what CNN or the Washington Post says or doesn't say. Claims are made all the time. That doesn't make them automatically true.

But now we know that when it suits your purpose you'll gladly take the word of "leftist" media? Are you one of those fools who believes everything he reads in a paper or hears on TV or Radio?

So you don't believe that over 100,000 Americans died from drug overdoses as reported by the CDC?  And you don't believe these drugs are coming from Mexico even though the Biden administration acknowledges that fact?  It is widely accepted that fentanyl - which is the source of most of these deaths - originates in China and comes to America via the open Southern border.  I'm not aware of anyone on the left or right that disputes these facts.  Maybe Google it and you will find numerous sources to avoid embarrassing yourself further.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Jerry Organ on May 22, 2023, 02:40:25 PM
Richard seems to equate drug smuggling with decent respectable "dreamers" trying to better themselves because they believe the US is "exceptional" (LOL) and that anyone can be a millionaire BS.

   "Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data? 
     And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a
     record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you
     think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths. 
     There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs
     crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war."

Quote from: https://www.wola.org/analysis/four-common-misconceptions-u-s-bound-drug-flows-mexico-central-america/
Misconception 2: “Building a wall would greatly reduce heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and fentanyl trafficking.”

Proponents of a border wall often claim that it would help the United States solve its opioid addiction problem by blocking heroin smugglers from Mexico. This reveals a misunderstanding of how cross-border smuggling works.

The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day. “Heroin seizures almost predominantly are through the port of entry and either carried in a concealed part of a vehicle or carried by an individual,” then-U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske told a congressional committee last year. “We don’t get much heroin seized by Border Patrol coming through, I think just because there are a lot of risks to the smugglers and the difficulty of trying to smuggle it through,” he said.

“The most common method employed by Mexican TCOs [Transnational Criminal Organizations] involves transporting drugs in vehicles through U.S. ports of entry (POEs),” the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) reported in its 2016 National Drug Threat Assessment. “Illicit drugs are smuggled into the United States in concealed compartments within passenger vehicles or commingled with legitimate goods on tractor trailers,” according to the document.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 22, 2023, 02:43:05 PM
So you don't believe that over 100,000 Americans died from drug overdoses as reported by the CDC?  And you don't believe these drugs are coming from Mexico even though the Biden administration acknowledges that fact?  It is widely accepted that fentanyl - which is the source of most of these deaths - originates in China and comes to America via the open Southern border.  I'm not aware of anyone on the left or right that disputes these facts.  Maybe Google it and you will find numerous sources to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

It is widely accepted that fentanyl - which is the source of most of these deaths - originates in China

"Widely accepted"?

It is widely accepted that Donald Trump, when he was President, was considered to be an embarrasment and a fool by most, if not all, European leaders. Do you accept that also?
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 22, 2023, 04:11:17 PM
Richard seems to equate drug smuggling with decent respectable "dreamers" trying to better themselves because they believe the US is "exceptional" (LOL) and that anyone can be a millionaire BS.

   "Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data? 
     And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a
     record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you
     think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths. 
     There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs
     crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war."

I'm not following.  "Dreamers" are children brought to the US years ago.  That has nothing to do with the current situation or discussion.  The point is clear and undisputed.  Here they are again:

1) The US has had a record number of drug overdose deaths.  Over 100,000 last year.  Double the American death toll for the entire Vietnam war.  That is a fact widely reported by the media and confirmed by the CDC.  For some inexplicable reason, Martin disputed that fact but without providing a reason much less supporting information. 

2) The drugs that are causing these deaths are coming across the Southern border in the form of fentanyl.  No one, including the leftists, dispute this fact.  Martin is the only person that I ever heard argue that there is any doubt about where this drug is coming from.  Even CNN confirms that the drugs are coming across the border.  The open border policy allows for these drugs to reach the US more easily.  The record number of drug deaths corresponds with the record increase in the number of illegal border crossings. There is a correlation between these events.   
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Jerry Organ on May 22, 2023, 05:23:24 PM
I'm not following.

You're equating drug smuggling with ordinarily non-criminal working folks who cross the border in hopes of a better life, when you wrote:

   "Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data?
     And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a
     record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you
     think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths.
     There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs
     crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war."

I pointed out that drug smugglers don't use the migrants to smuggle drugs. "The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day."

The idea that ordinary people are carrying backpacks full of drugs or have leprosy or whatever is fearmongering from American degenerates, like MAGA-tards, Republicans, American evangelicals and the "moral majority".
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 22, 2023, 06:13:10 PM
You're equating drug smuggling with ordinarily non-criminal working folks who cross the border in hopes of a better life, when you wrote:

   "Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data?
     And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a
     record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you
     think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths.
     There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs
     crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war."

I pointed out that drug smugglers don't use the migrants to smuggle drugs. "The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day."

The idea that ordinary people are carrying backpacks full of drugs or have leprosy or whatever is fearmongering from American degenerates, like MAGA-tards, Republicans, American evangelicals and the "moral majority".

"The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day."

Indeed... or by speed boats or self made mini submarines....

But none of that fits Richard's fear mongering narrative.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 22, 2023, 06:56:43 PM
You're equating drug smuggling with ordinarily non-criminal working folks who cross the border in hopes of a better life, when you wrote:

   "Huh?  You don't believe the Biden administrations own data?
     And I'm blowing this out of proportion.  The data indicates a
     record number of illegal bordering crossings.  Where do you
     think those people end up?  And a record number of deaths.
     There were twice the number of American deaths from drugs
     crossing the border in 2022 than in the entire Vietnam war."

I pointed out that drug smugglers don't use the migrants to smuggle drugs. "The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day."

The idea that ordinary people are carrying backpacks full of drugs or have leprosy or whatever is fearmongering from American degenerates, like MAGA-tards, Republicans, American evangelicals and the "moral majority".

You have provided no facts.  What we know is that there is both a record number of drug deaths and a record number of illegal immigrants crossing the border.  No one has suggested that every or even most of these illegals are transporting drugs.  That is just the usual leftist race baiting.  EVEN if it were true that the drugs are crossing from Mexico to the US via "ports of entry" that means there are not enough border agents to protect Americans.  And the vast influx of illegals flooding across the border are taking resources away from those efforts.  And many folks enter the US illegally via "ports of entry." 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 22, 2023, 06:58:04 PM
"The vast majority of the drug that enters from Mexico does so through “ports of entry”—the 48 official land crossings through which millions of people, vehicles, and cargo pass every day."

Indeed... or by speed boats or self made mini submarines....

But none of that fits Richard's fear mongering narrative.

HA HA HA.  What an interesting fantasy world Martin must live in with these "mini submarines" and Russian agents.  Whew.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 23, 2023, 10:59:34 AM
HA HA HA.  What an interesting fantasy world Martin must live in with these "mini submarines" and Russian agents.  Whew.




You were saying?

Once again your total ignorance about what goes on in the real world is showing.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 23, 2023, 07:25:27 PM



You were saying?

Once again your total ignorance about what goes on in the real world is showing.

Martin found some videos on the Internet.  Open the borders and let everyone through.  Obviously, all the drugs coming to America are being brought by "minisubs" and not the over five million people who have crossed illegally under Old Joe through areas controlled by the drug cartels.  HA HA HA.  The only question that I have is if Martin truly believes his own nonsense or whether he is just having us on to pass the time.  I hope it is the latter (that means the second option Martin since I recall you didn't know that). 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 23, 2023, 08:36:52 PM
Martin found some videos on the Internet.  Open the borders and let everyone through.  Obviously, all the drugs coming to America are being brought by "minisubs" and not the over five million people who have crossed illegally under Old Joe through areas controlled by the drug cartels.  HA HA HA.  The only question that I have is if Martin truly believes his own nonsense or whether he is just having us on to pass the time.  I hope it is the latter (that means the second option Martin since I recall you didn't know that).

Martin found some videos on the Internet.

Try YouTube for once and you'll find plenty more. It makes a mockery of your idiotic claim that drugs are being brought in by people crossing the southern border!

Obviously, all the drugs coming to America are being brought by "minisubs" and not the over five million people who have crossed illegally under Old Joe through areas controlled by the drug cartels.


Idiot, there have been drugs coming in to America for decades from all over the place and in many different ways. You've got egg on your face. Just admit it and move on. There will be plenty more things you can falsely blame on Joe Biden. You just lost this argument.

The only question that I have is if Martin truly believes his own nonsense or whether he is just having us on to pass the time.  I hope it is the latter (that means the second option Martin since I recall you didn't know that).

What's that shiny object diverting away from my embarrasment?  Hilarious.....
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 23, 2023, 09:30:59 PM
Right wingers just want to change our history to fit their own narrative. 


Some Texas Schools May Call Slavery 'Involuntary Relocation'

Public schools in Texas would describe slavery to second graders as “involuntary relocation” under new social studies standards proposed to the state’s education board.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-06-30/some-texas-schools-may-call-slavery-involuntary-relocation
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 26, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
Fascist Republicans can't get enough of banning books. Now they are banning poems and books on race.

Amanda Gorman's Inauguration Poem Banned — Along with 3 Race-Related Books — at a Miami-Area School
https://people.com/amanda-gorman-inauguration-poem-banned-florida-school-7503225
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on May 28, 2023, 04:17:48 PM


Obviously, all the drugs coming to America are being brought by "minisubs" and not the over five million people who have crossed illegally under Old Joe through areas controlled by the drug cartels.


Idiot, there have been drugs coming in to America for decades from all over the place and in many different ways. You've got egg on your face. Just admit it and move on. There will be plenty more things you can falsely blame on Joe Biden. You just lost this argument.



Why always so hostile?  Like a petulant child with no controls over their emotions.  Again, no one ever argued that there were never drugs in America.  No one.  Talk about your favorite term:  "strawman."   The point is that there are CURRENTLY a RECORD number of drug deaths in the US.  Those drugs are coming across the open border.  These are just facts.  All you fantasies about minisubs are amusing.  Have some drugs in history coming in a mini-sub.  Sure.  But the vast majority are coming across the border which is wide open.  As confirmed by the RECORD number of illegal immigrants that have crossed under Old Joe's watch.
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Martin Weidmann on May 28, 2023, 07:15:08 PM
Why always so hostile?  Like a petulant child with no controls over their emotions.  Again, no one ever argued that there were never drugs in America.  No one.  Talk about your favorite term:  "strawman."   The point is that there are CURRENTLY a RECORD number of drug deaths in the US.  Those drugs are coming across the open border.  These are just facts.  All you fantasies about minisubs are amusing.  Have some drugs in history coming in a mini-sub.  Sure.  But the vast majority are coming across the border which is wide open.  As confirmed by the RECORD number of illegal immigrants that have crossed under Old Joe's watch.

These are just facts.

Once again you show us that you don't know the meaning of the word "fact".


Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on May 30, 2023, 09:35:36 PM
The march towards right wing fascism continues in Florida with fascist governor Ron DeSantis.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a dangerous bill that would give virtually any health care provider (including insurance companies) the right to deny care. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill that will allow doctors and health insurance companies to deny care to anyone they want.

So basically, if a doctor or health insurance provider doesn't like your race, religion, or anything else about you, they can deny medical care to you based on this fascist discriminatory law. Other red states will probably be adopting this same fascist law. People will die being denied health care and these right wingers do not care just as long as they can discriminate against people they don't like. That's what MAGA is all about. This is not "freedom", this is fascism. And once again, this proves these right wingers are not "pro life" denying life saving medical care to American citizens.

Now if a fascist like Ron DeSantis ever got in The White House along with a right wing extremist MAGA Congress, they will be implementing fascist laws like this on the federal level which affect all 50 states. That means people in all 50 states will be denied medical care which will end up killing them. It won't just stop there, these right wingers will make discriminatory laws in just about every area of people's lives. That's why it's important to keep these right wing extremist fascists out of office.


It’s Now Legal in Florida for Doctors to Deny Health Care to Anyone If They Feel Like It

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a dangerous bill that would give virtually any health care provider (including insurance companies) the right to deny care.

https://newrepublic.com/post/172667/its-now-legal-florida-doctors-deny-health-care-anyone-feel-like                       
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on June 01, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
So many eerie similarities to the LBJ presidency.  An unpopular incumbent Dem president presiding over an endless war with no way out.   A person named RFK running against him.  Strong Republican field.  Old Joe will likely get his orders soon that it is time to stand down and drop out of the race just as LBJ did.  The writing is on the wall.   He also looks terrible.  Shuffling around with fear and confusion in his eyes like a dementia patient who has escaped his handlers.  He has absolutely no idea where he is or what is going on around him. 
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on June 01, 2023, 09:53:53 PM
So many eerie similarities to the LBJ presidency.  An unpopular incumbent Dem president presiding over an endless war with no way out.   A person named RFK running against him.  Strong Republican field.  Old Joe will likely get his orders soon that it is time to stand down and drop out of the race just as LBJ did.  The writing is on the wall.   He also looks terrible.  Shuffling around with fear and confusion in his eyes like a dementia patient who has escaped his handlers.  He has absolutely no idea where he is or what is going on around him.

Nice phony propaganda as usual. President Biden humiliated the Republican party in the debt ceiling deal and just finished leading the G7 summit.

There is no "Dem President presiding over a war with no way out".

Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Richard Smith on June 02, 2023, 02:28:35 AM
Nice phony propaganda as usual. President Biden humiliated the Republican party in the debt ceiling deal and just finished leading the G7 summit.

There is no "Dem President presiding over a war with no way out".

Here is our "commander and chief":

Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on June 02, 2023, 02:47:08 AM
GOP lawmakers pass new standards to ban books from Texas schools
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/gop-lawmakers-pass-new-standards-to-ban-books-from-texas-schools
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on June 04, 2023, 03:31:31 AM
These radical Republicans are insane. They are banning everything in sight. Republicans hate freedom, they want to tell you how you should live. That's fascism.     

A Utah school district has removed the Bible from some schools' shelves
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/02/1179906120/utah-bible-book-challenge

Utah school district that banned Bible considers removing Book of Mormon
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jun/03/utah-school-district-book-of-morman-ban
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on July 14, 2023, 05:01:51 AM
Half of Republicans are getting tired of the fascism that's taken over their party. MAGA lunatics have no business telling you what you can read or freely speak. Thats not freedom, that's fascism.

About half of Republicans oppose book bans: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4032438-nearly-half-of-republicans-oppose-book-bans-poll/
Title: Re: Where have we seen this before?
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2023, 03:09:27 AM
The Republican assault on freedom continues. 

'Relentless' GOP Push Leads to Nearly 1,500 Book Bans in First Half of School Year: Report
https://www.commondreams.org/news/gop-book-bans-schools