Of the many humorous ways that our contrarian CTers attempt to cast doubt on Oswald's guilt
perhaps the most pathetic is to analyze each piece of evidence as though it exists in a complete vacuum and has no context or connection to any other evidence.
The classic example is Oswald leaving his wedding ring and most of his money at home on the morning of the assassination. We are told by our resident Inspector Clouseau that many people have left or forgotten their wedding ring on any given day without intending to assassinate a president. Therefore, Oswald doing so is not evidence of an intent to assassinate JFK. But how many of those people also left their rifle at the scene of the crime?
How many left their prints in the SN's from which the shots were fired with bullet casings from their rifle by the window?
How many fled the scene and were arrested for murdering a police officer on that same day?
All of this adds context to Oswald having left his wedding ring at home that morning.
A highly symbolic act that demonstrates foreknowledge of his not coming home again after that day.
This would all be painfully obvious to any honest and reasonable person but when the evidence overwhelmingly supports Oswald's guilt, the only way to attack that evidence is to operate in a type of contrarian fantasy world where every event has no association to any other.
Nobody is “casting doubt”. There just is doubt. That doubt is not somehow alleviated by somebody who casts no evidence.
What’s pathetic is the delusion that several things that are not evidence of anything somehow magically combine to form evidence.
And here we go with the regurgitated litany of misinformation again…
“Left their rifle”. LOL.
How unusual to leave prints on boxes when your job literally is getting books out of boxes.
“Fled”. LOL. Here we learn from our resident fortune teller that if you are arrested for something, not only did you necessarily commit that crime, you committed a different crime as well. By the way, how would you even know how many people left their wedding rings at home in order to evaluate this inane question? A speculation about a ring doesn’t just somehow turn into evidence just because you think some other unrelated thing is evidence.
The only context it adds is that people without good reasons for their faith-based beliefs will cling to any ridiculous thing to try to justify them.
It demonstrates your confirmation bias, nothing more.
You can pretend to “associate” any two things. That doesn’t mean there is any connection between them. If your case was really “overwhelming”, you wouldn’t have to resort to nonsense like this for your “evidence”.
By the way, who made the New York Times the arbiter of truth? I have to say, it’s really amusing to see a Trump acolyte so fond of the mainstream media when it suits him.
A speculation about a ring doesn’t just somehow turn into evidence......
That is probably true..... However.... I believe that the FACT that Lee wore his Marine Corps Ring until the Dpd took it away is EVIDENCE of his true loyalty ..... I believe that he was a loyal American ( an intelligence agent) and he merely posed as a an admirer of Fidel Castro.
Other people "believe" in Bigfoot. What is lacking is evidence of the involvement of anyone other than Oswald.
Other people "believe" in Bigfoot. What is lacking is evidence of the involvement of anyone other than Oswald.
People who believe in Bigfoot believe the creature exists because they have seen PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that such a creature Exists..... Whereas people who believe that Lee Oswald murdered JFK have NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to support that belief.....
So you believe there is "physical evidence" of the existence of Bigfoot? That explains a lot.
Duh!!.... Would foot prints be PHYSICAL evidence?... Many folks have seen the giant footprints that were not made by any known animal.....
So you believe in a JFK conspiracy and Bigfoot! That explains a great deal. How about the Loch Ness monster and leprechauns?
No I don't "believe" in a conspiracy to murder JFK..... I'm absolutely sure that JFK was murdered by men who conspired to kill him and put LBJ in the Whitehouse.
Based on "evidence" like the red circles being a signal? LOL.
The red rings were there..... That's Evidence of "something"
Based on "evidence" like the red circles being a signal? LOL.
Interesting "logic." Of course they were there as a fire safety measure and had absolutely nothing to do with the JFK assassination as you have repeatedly suggested.
they were there as a fire safety measure
Idiot!..... The TSBD had an external fire escape .....
they were there as a fire safety measure
Idiot!..... The TSBD had an external fire escape .....
(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184795/m1/1/high_res/)
The fire escape wasn't all that available. It could have become compromised by smoke, disrepair or severe weather. The back stairway could fill with smoke. It might be possible to make it to the roof. The rings were a last-resort method indicating where trapped people should gather.
The rings may now be anachonous. Nobody came to remove the rings; I thought firemen had lots of "down" time. Not a concern for Joe Public.
The use of red circles was a practice in some cities.
(https://images.fireengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/542-img-1.jpg)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
— Fire Engineering, 1948
RED CIRCLES TO FACILITATE RESCUE
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
"The red circle will show the way in and out of Syracuse’s burning buildings.
Fire Chief William J. Connelly has announced that red circles will be painted
shortly on upper-floor windows of factories, warehouses and other business
places.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
According to press accounts furnished Fire Engineering by James R. Jackson,
Oswego, N. Y., the circle will indicate the window opens into an aisle or passage-
way which will give firemen easy access to fight flames or effect rescues.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
Persons trapped inside a particular building will know that any window bearing
the red circle will be the first place from which they will be rescued.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
The details of painting the red circles on windows, Chief Connelly said, are in
the hands of Lieut. John Dacey of the fire prevention bureau. Each circle will
measure eight or more inches in diameter, depending upon the size of the window.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
Employers and employes alike, the reports say, have agreed to keep
free of obstructions all aisles leading to red circled windows."
Gary Mack provided a link to an article from decades before the assassination that confirmed the use of the red circles on the windows of Dallas buildings for fire safety purposes. Walt has read that article. Nevertheless, he can't be unconvinced of this fantasy that the circles were a "signal" to LBJ and others. Imagine the absurdity of that. Someone would have to paint or tape these circles on the windows of the building in plain sight of everyone in DP. And somehow explain this activity to the TSBD employees or do it without being detected. What were they going to do if the plan changed? Hang out the window and scrape them off as the motorcade passed?
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Stephen Fagin(https://emuseum.jfk.org/internal/media/dispatcher/7448/preview)
Judson Shook
I have seen it mentioned in a late-60s article, possibly fifth-anniversary. The "red circle" is mentioned in the 2013 book "Assassination and Commemoration" by Stephen Fagin, Crator of the Sixth Floor Museum. Judson Shook, Director of Public Works for Dallas County from 1968 to 1981, is interviewed:
"a painted red circle--a Dallas Fire Department indicator
noting where to access the building from a ladder truck"
Walt keeping this alive is kind of sad. Early CTs used to make a big deal about Jackie getting red roses in Dallas instead of yellow.
And the red rings were apparently plastic "wreaths" that stuck to the window pane , and were NOT painted on the panes, because they were removed after the coup d'etat.
Source?
Source for what? You recognize that the red rings were a signal.... But you're too gutless to admit that signal was NOT for firemen.
Source for what? You recognize that the red rings were a signal.... But you're too gutless to admit that signal was NOT for firemen.
His source is ... Myasspolis, Deep State of Pretendsylvania, Twin-Planet Duplicitous, Looniverse.
Ridicule of anybody expressing doubt about LBJ's proclamation that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone who murdered President Kennedy for no reason, has always been priority one for the government. Their ploy has always been to present themselves as a CT with a ridiculous theory, that they could then mock and ridicule.
You got the part about it being a ridiculous theory right, but I simply asked you for the source of YOUR specific claim that the red circles on the TSBD windows were plastic wreaths. I've never heard that one before. Why not just say you made that up if that is the case?LBJ ordered/orchestrated the whole coverup, creation of the "Oswald as lone assassin" lie, and then got lucky that after he died that subsequent investigations, HSCA, news media, et cetera, concluded the same thing that he ordered done. How lucky can you get?
LBJ ordered/orchestrated the whole coverup, creation of the "Oswald as lone assassin" lie, and then got lucky that after he died that subsequent investigations, HSCA, news media, et cetera, concluded the same thing that he ordered done. How lucky can you get?
See? Even after they're all dead, LBJ dead, Hoover dead, Dulles dead, they were able to get subsequent generations of Americans in government and outside to cover for them.
If that isn't a deranged view of the world, of the country, then it's a damned good impersonation of one.
You got the part about it being a ridiculous theory right, but I simply asked you for the source of YOUR specific claim that the red circles on the TSBD windows were plastic wreaths. I've never heard that one before. Why not just say you made that up if that is the case?
Says the guy who made up the claim that “evidence” shows Oswald was on the sixth floor firing a rifle at 12:30 and went down the staircase in 75 seconds without being seen or heard by 12 people along the way.
This thread confirms why I stopped frequenting this forum. The same old thin arguments and pontification from the same old group of clearly dillusional lone nutters, and the same old CTs believing that they can convice them otherwise. Both are excersizing futility. Remember how Einstein defined insanity? Y'all need to be fit for straight jackets.
Special mention goes to Organ for posting a pic of a baseball stadium and stating that 1 person could slip past thousands of people as evidence that Oswald could have slipped past TWELVE. Please tell me you were joking. Either way, thank you for the laugh.
This thread confirms why I stopped frequenting this forum. The same old thin arguments and pontification from the same old group of clearly dillusional lone nutters, and the same old CTs believing that they can convice them otherwise. Both are excersizing futility. Remember how Einstein defined insanity? Y'all need to be fit for straight jackets.
Special mention goes to Organ for posting a pic of a baseball stadium and stating that 1 person could slip past thousands of people as evidence that Oswald could have slipped past TWELVE. Please tell me you were joking. Either way, thank you for the laugh.
This thread confirms why I stopped frequenting this forum. The same old thin arguments and pontification from the same old group of clearly dillusional lone nutters, and the same old CTs believing that they can convice them otherwise. Both are excersizing futility. Remember how Einstein defined insanity? Y'all need to be fit for straight jackets.
Special mention goes to Organ for posting a pic of a baseball stadium and stating that 1 person could slip past thousands of people as evidence that Oswald could have slipped past TWELVE. Please tell me you were joking. Either way, thank you for the laugh.
The assassination and the shooting of Tippit only happened one way, there's only one explanation, a single story line or narrative. How many explanations should be given? Five? Ten? The same old delusional lone nutters can't make things up, use the assassination as a grievance event against "the government" or "the CIA" or whatever monsters in their heads they have. We have one and only one explanation. Oswald took his rifle - you really think it was his lunch? - and shot JFK. Then, leaving the scene shortly after - he wasn't interested at all in what happened? - he then shot Tippit. If that's boring then never mind.
Anyway, if someone doesn't believe the 8-10 witnesses who saw Oswald shoot Tippit or leave the scene (and the other physical and circumstantial evidence) I doubt you'd accept witnesses who saw Oswald go down the stairs. And if powerful evil groups did pull this off you can be damned sure they would make Norman and Jarman and others say they saw that very same thing, Oswald going down the steps. If you believe all of this other evidence was manufactured why wouldn't they do something this simple? There I go, boring stuff again.
This is the guy they had to silence, the guy who could expose their plot. This is what they let him do. Meet with his family, a lawyer, make phone calls. And this. If you believe this is what they would allow happen, this is what they would allow him to do, the word delusional does come to mind.
(https://archive.org/download/jfkpictures/LHO%20At%20Midnight%20Press%20Conference.jpg)
You don't believe that Oswald fired a single shot on Nov 22, 1963. It seems to me that you're one who is delusional here. Maybe stay away until you can come up with something that exonerates your guy. Something that makes all of the evidence against him go away. Good luck with that.
And you're above all that? ::)
Keep the laughs going, Chuckles. Who are the 12 people eye-locked on the backstairs in the minute after the assassination?
Y'all need to be fit for straight jackets.
Try 'straitjackets' next time, Einstein.
Keep the laughs going, Chuckles. Who are the 12 people eye-locked on the backstairs in the minute after the assassination?
You don't believe that Oswald fired a single shot on Nov 22, 1963. It seems to me that you're one who is delusional here.
Maybe stay away until you can come up with something that exonerates your guy. Something that makes all of the evidence against him go away. Good luck with that.
Oswald took his rifle - you really think it was his lunch? - and shot JFK.
Anyway, if someone doesn't believe the 8-10 witnesses who saw Oswald shoot Tippit or leave the scene
(and the other physical and circumstantial evidence) I doubt you'd accept witnesses who saw Oswald go down the stairs.
And if powerful evil groups did pull this off you can be damned sure they would make Norman and Jarman and others say they saw that very same thing, Oswald going down the steps.