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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Charles Collins on August 17, 2022, 07:06:41 PM
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In chapter 6 of his rebuttal to the acoustical study, Bowles includes the recollections of some of the officers involved. Here’s Bowles’ introduction of the chapter, followed by the comments of officer “K”.
https://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html (https://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html)
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Probably the most informed and the most ignored authorities on what happened and in what order in Dealey Plaza are the motorcade motor jockeys. They have been interviewed uncounted times by many people, ranging from official investigators to insufferable quacks. Again, they are referred to in this text by a "letter" name, hopeful that it will discourage further contacts, however well-intentioned. While their recollections are presented in the first person, their comments should not be taken as unalterable quotes. Too many years have passed for them to remember with unimpeachable certainty what they might have said earlier and what they say now. Accordingly, what they say here should be considered for the meaning rather than exactness.
OFFICER"K"
I was assigned to work traffic and the crowd along Stemmons at Industrial. Officer ______ was with me. I heard and saw the motorcade coming toward the Trade Mart, but I could tell something wasn't right as they were traveling too fast, and they were strung out. When they passed us and continued north on Industrial, I knew something was wrong.
Shortly thereafter we were sent to Elm and Houston. We were copying vehicle license numbers for a while. Then Officer Tippit got shot over in Oak Cliff.
The dispatcher was calling for some help there, and there were enough officers at Elm and Houston, so we were sent to Oak Cliff.
About the time we reached the area the dispatcher was broadcasting information regarding the suspect and his escape route. We pulled up on Jefferson and started checking some cars parked behind a service station to see if the suspect was hiding in or under one of the cars. That's when we found his jacket. We saw Captain ______ in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket.
About this time some officers who had been checking houses in the area reached a church and wanted help to search it. By then, I had gotten separated from Officer ______. While I was around there and some officers were checking, another squad spotted a subject fitting the general description of the suspect running into the branch library at Jefferson and Marsalis. However, he turned out to be an employee.
A while later the suspect was arrested in the Texas Theatre. I have heard that someone suggested that "the real suspect" had escaped by hiding in that church while officers were drawn away to the library on a wild goose chase. That's ridiculous. The church was searched, and the subject did merit being checked. From a distance, he fitted the description, and he was running as if he were being chased. The officer who spotted him would have been grossly negligent had he ignored that subject.
Later that day, after things had settled down, I was with another three-wheel officer and some others when he commented about his earlier troubles which included his radio microphone sticking open during the assassination.
It appears to me that officer “K” is probably the same officer identified only as call number 279 on the recording of channel one. This is apparently who found the jacket under the car and turned it over to (if I remember correctly) Captain Westbrook. So, it appears that Bowles knew who this officer was. However, he doesn’t identify most of the officers for reasons stated in his introduction to the chapter. It is not difficult to identify some of the officers based on the actions that they testified about. But officer “K” (aka: 279) is still unidentified as far as I know. He said that he was originally assigned to traffic duty near Stemmons and Industrial. And appears to me to be a three wheeler motorcycle officer.
If anyone has any suggestions regarding where else we should be looking for information that might help identify this officer, I would greatly appreciate it.
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In Gary Savage’s 1993 book, JFK First Day Evidence, an officer identified
only as “K” told the story of finding the jacket. “We pulled up on Jefferson
and started checking some cars parked behind a service station to see if the
suspect was hiding in or under one of the cars. That’s when we found his jacket.
I saw Captain [Westbrook] in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to
him. It isn’t easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket.” Officer “K”
was described as a three-wheel motorcycle officer who was assigned to “work
traffic and the crowd along Stemmons at Industrial.” A list of Dallas police
motorcade assignments shows three officers assigned to the Stemmons
service road at Industrial: Three-wheel motorcycle officers John R. Mackey and
W.E. Wilson; and Accident Prevention Bureau Officer R.J. Kosan. [Footnote]
A three-wheel motorcycle officer, J.T. Griffin, who was in the same squad as
John R. Mackey and Thomas A. Hutson, reported the jacket’s discovery to
dispatcher Murray Jackson:
01:25:51.60 p.m. 279 (J.T. GRIFFIN): We believe we’ve got this suspect on
shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on
this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson, across
from Dudley Hughes. And – ah – he had a white jacket on, we believe this is it.
01:26:05.12 p.m. Dispatcher: 10-4. You do not have the suspect, is that correct?
01:26:08.24 p.m. 279 (GRIFFIN): No, just the jacket laying on the ground.
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(Myers' Footnote: "19H131-132 Batchelor Exhibit 5002, pp.14-15; Endnote No.567,
With Malice, 2013 Edition, p.733 [NOTE: Sergeant Stringer, who arrived at the
scene with Westbrook, did end up with possession of the jacket, radioing in to the
dispatcher on Channel 2 at 1:45 p.m.: “This – ah – could you pass this to someone.
The – ah – jacket the suspect was wearing over here on Jefferson in this shooting –
bears the laundry tag with the letter B 9738. See if there is a way you can check
this laundry tag.” (23H925 CE1974, p.188)")
"Warren Reynolds and Oswald’s Jacket" by Dale K. Myers ( Link (https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2020/11/warren-reynolds-and-oswalds-jacket.html) )
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In Gary Savage’s 1993 book, JFK First Day Evidence, an officer identified
only as “K” told the story of finding the jacket. “We pulled up on Jefferson
and started checking some cars parked behind a service station to see if the
suspect was hiding in or under one of the cars. That’s when we found his jacket.
I saw Captain [Westbrook] in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to
him. It isn’t easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket.” Officer “K”
was described as a three-wheel motorcycle officer who was assigned to “work
traffic and the crowd along Stemmons at Industrial.” A list of Dallas police
motorcade assignments shows three officers assigned to the Stemmons
service road at Industrial: Three-wheel motorcycle officers John R. Mackey and
W.E. Wilson; and Accident Prevention Bureau Officer R.J. Kosan. [Footnote]
A three-wheel motorcycle officer, J.T. Griffin, who was in the same squad as
John R. Mackey and Thomas A. Hutson, reported the jacket’s discovery to
dispatcher Murray Jackson:
01:25:51.60 p.m. 279 (J.T. GRIFFIN): We believe we’ve got this suspect on
shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on
this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson, across
from Dudley Hughes. And – ah – he had a white jacket on, we believe this is it.
01:26:05.12 p.m. Dispatcher: 10-4. You do not have the suspect, is that correct?
01:26:08.24 p.m. 279 (GRIFFIN): No, just the jacket laying on the ground.
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(Myers' Footnote: "19H131-132 Batchelor Exhibit 5002, pp.14-15; Endnote No.567,
With Malice, 2013 Edition, p.733 [NOTE: Sergeant Stringer, who arrived at the
scene with Westbrook, did end up with possession of the jacket, radioing in to the
dispatcher on Channel 2 at 1:45 p.m.: “This – ah – could you pass this to someone.
The – ah – jacket the suspect was wearing over here on Jefferson in this shooting –
bears the laundry tag with the letter B 9738. See if there is a way you can check
this laundry tag.” (23H925 CE1974, p.188)")
"Warren Reynolds and Oswald’s Jacket" by Dale K. Myers ( Link (https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2020/11/warren-reynolds-and-oswalds-jacket.html) )
an officer identified only as “K” told the story of finding the jacket
So, what's the big deal in hiding this guy's identity for so many decades?
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an officer identified only as “K” told the story of finding the jacket
So, what's the big deal in hiding this guy's identity for so many decades?
I think it was a simple and respectful professional courtesy towards fellow police officers, mainly so they wouldn't be hounded and accused of being in on the assassination and cover-up by JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theorists and the so-called Skeptics.
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I think it was a simple and respectful professional courtesy towards fellow police officers, mainly so they wouldn't be hounded and accused of being in on the assassination and cover-up by JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theorists and the so-called Skeptics.
Are you really this naive? That's not how the law works. Officer "K" (if he really is the one that found it) is part of the chain of custody for the jacket. As such he should have been named on day one, when several officers were asked to put their initials on the jacket.
Why would they even consider the possibility of there being "Conspiracy theorist" on day one and why would an officer who just happened to find a jacket need protection when others, like Westbrook, were identified? It doesn't make any sense.
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In Gary Savage’s 1993 book, JFK First Day Evidence, an officer identified
only as “K” told the story of finding the jacket. “We pulled up on Jefferson
and started checking some cars parked behind a service station to see if the
suspect was hiding in or under one of the cars. That’s when we found his jacket.
I saw Captain [Westbrook] in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to
him. It isn’t easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket.” Officer “K”
was described as a three-wheel motorcycle officer who was assigned to “work
traffic and the crowd along Stemmons at Industrial.” A list of Dallas police
motorcade assignments shows three officers assigned to the Stemmons
service road at Industrial: Three-wheel motorcycle officers John R. Mackey and
W.E. Wilson; and Accident Prevention Bureau Officer R.J. Kosan. [Footnote]
A three-wheel motorcycle officer, J.T. Griffin, who was in the same squad as
John R. Mackey and Thomas A. Hutson, reported the jacket’s discovery to
dispatcher Murray Jackson:
01:25:51.60 p.m. 279 (J.T. GRIFFIN): We believe we’ve got this suspect on
shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on
this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson, across
from Dudley Hughes. And – ah – he had a white jacket on, we believe this is it.
01:26:05.12 p.m. Dispatcher: 10-4. You do not have the suspect, is that correct?
01:26:08.24 p.m. 279 (GRIFFIN): No, just the jacket laying on the ground.
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(Myers' Footnote: "19H131-132 Batchelor Exhibit 5002, pp.14-15; Endnote No.567,
With Malice, 2013 Edition, p.733 [NOTE: Sergeant Stringer, who arrived at the
scene with Westbrook, did end up with possession of the jacket, radioing in to the
dispatcher on Channel 2 at 1:45 p.m.: “This – ah – could you pass this to someone.
The – ah – jacket the suspect was wearing over here on Jefferson in this shooting –
bears the laundry tag with the letter B 9738. See if there is a way you can check
this laundry tag.” (23H925 CE1974, p.188)")
"Warren Reynolds and Oswald’s Jacket" by Dale K. Myers ( Link (https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2020/11/warren-reynolds-and-oswalds-jacket.html) )
Thanks Jerry, that’s a great post, very informative. Yes, I should have realized that if it had anything to do with the Tippit murder, Dale Myers would have researched it thoroughly. I have his book and have read it a long time ago. But just didn’t remember all the details. Thanks again!
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Are you really this naive? That's not how the law works. Officer "K" (if he really is the one that found it) is part of the chain of custody for the jacket. As such he should have been named on day one, when several officers were asked to put their initials on the jacket.
Why would they even consider the possibility of there being "Conspiracy theorist" on day one and why would an officer who just happened to find a jacket need protection when others, like Westbrook, were identified? It doesn't make any sense.
The only "chain of custody" that would work for you would might be Hollywood-quality film of Oswald ditching his jacket. In CT contrarian world, lots of people were just randomly placing wearable jacket under cars that day.
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The only "chain of custody" that would work for you would might be Hollywood-quality film of Oswald ditching his jacket. In CT contrarian world, lots of people were just randomly placing wearable jacket under cars that day.
The only "chain of custody" that would work for you would might be Hollywood-quality film of Oswald ditching his jacket.
Total and utter BS. A chain of custody is not only required by law, but it also prevents evidence tampering by law enforcement. I'm not sure why you would have a problem with that.
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The only "chain of custody" that would work for you would might be Hollywood-quality film of Oswald ditching his jacket. In CT contrarian world, lots of people were just randomly placing wearable jacket under cars that day.
I have never believed that the jacket was found UNDER that Oldsmobile. I believe the jacket was actually IN the Oldsmobile..... But of course it would have been illegal for the officer to remove the jacket from the car, so he said he found it under the car. And that's the reason his name was kept secret .....The police didn't want anybody asking that officer questions.
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The only "chain of custody" that would work for you would might be Hollywood-quality film of Oswald ditching his jacket.
No, a chain of custody that would work would be an actual chain of custody.
Besides, what is the jacket evidence of, exactly?
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Are you really this naive? That's not how the law works. Officer "K" (if he really is the one that found it) is part of the chain of custody for the jacket. As such he should have been named on day one, when several officers were asked to put their initials on the jacket.
Officer "K" would not be part of the chain of custody for the jacket unless he had possession of the jacket. He did not.
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Officer "K" would not be part of the chain of custody for the jacket unless he had possession of the jacket. He did not.
If "K" didn't have possession of the jacket, then why did he say that it was difficult to ride the motorcycle while holding the Jacket?
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Officer "K" would not be part of the chain of custody for the jacket unless he had possession of the jacket. He did not.
According to "officer K", he did. According to Bowles.
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If "K" didn't have possession of the jacket, then why did he say that it was difficult to ride the motorcycle while holding the Jacket?
When and where did he say that?
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Officer "K" would not be part of the chain of custody for the jacket unless he had possession of the jacket. He did not.
If he found it then he did! Find = to obtain...to attain...to recover... to [need I go on?]
The Report said Westbrook found the jacket. A lie or didn't happen :D
Too much suffering here of Warren-itus....seek help.
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If he found it then he did! Find = to obtain...to attain...to recover... to [need I go on?]
The Report said Westbrook found the jacket. A lie or didn't happen :D
Too much suffering here of Warren-itus....seek help.
Officer "K" was the first person to see the jacket but he did not pick it up. He did not take possession of it. Hence, he would not be a link in any chain of custody. Westbrook picked it up.
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So, what's the big deal in hiding this guy's identity for so many decades?
I think it was a simple and respectful professional courtesy towards fellow police officers, mainly so they wouldn't be hounded and accused of being in on the assassination and cover-up by JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theorists and the so-called Skeptics.
How stupid is that answer?Officer "K" was the first person to see the jacket but he did not pick it up. He did not take possession of it. Hence, he would not be a link in any chain of custody. Westbrook picked it up.
I see. A patrolman sees the jacket and has his Captain do the crawling under the car to get it. No wonder he is an Officer K.
Mr. WESTBROOK. Actually, I didn't find it--it was pointed out to me by either some officer that--that was while we were going over the scene in the close area where the shooting was concerned, someone pointed. out a jacket to me that was laying under a car and I got the jacket and told the officer to take the license number.
Mr. BALL. When did this happen? You gave me a sort of a resume of what you had done, but you omitted this incident.
Mr. WESTBROOK. I tell you what--this occurred shortly--let me think just a minute.
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Mr. BALL. Why did you get out of the car at that time?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Just more or less searching--just no particular reason--just searching the area.
Mr. BALL. You were just looking around to see what you could see?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes; and at this time I had a shotgun--I had borrowed a shotgun from a patrolman.
Westbrook testified. I wonder why?
See.... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1022.msg22886.html#msg22886
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When and where did he say that?
Did you not read the quote from "Officer K" that Charles Collins posted in the first post in this thread?
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That's when we found his jacket. We saw Captain ______ in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket.
Who is "we"? Officer K and Officer L? How about Capt W? When you find something and then turn it over..that starts a chain of custody boys and girls.
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When and where did he say that?
Officer K said .... "We saw Captain ______ in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket."
Officer "K's" statement says that Westbrook was not there in the parking lot....He was; quote: "In his car on Jefferson" so I turned the jacket over to him. "IT ISN"T EASY TO HANDLE A MOTORCYCLE AND HANG ON TO A JACKET. "
"K" said that Westbrook was in his car on Jefferson......
There seems to be a bit of mendacity in Captain Westbrook's story.
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"IT ISN"T EASY TO HANDLE A MOTORCYCLE AND HANG ON TO A JACKET. "
That would explain why he never picked it up and pointed it out to Westbrook instead.
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Officer K said .... "We saw Captain ______ in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket."
Officer "K's" statement says that Westbrook was not there in the parking lot....He was; quote: "In his car on Jefferson" so I turned the jacket over to him. "IT ISN"T EASY TO HANDLE A MOTORCYCLE AND HANG ON TO A JACKET. "
"K" said that Westbrook was in his car on Jefferson......
There seems to be a bit of mendacity in Captain Westbrook's story.
(https://www.orwelltoday.com/jfklhoroutemap.jpg)
Jefferson Blvd was visible from the parking lot.
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That would explain why he never picked it up and pointed it out to Westbrook instead.
"I turned the jacket over to him"
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If we're talking about the light Eisenhower type jacket that was thought to be Oswald's, there's some info out there that shows the label of the jacket had a dry cleaning tag attached to it and the cleaner was located in CA. The story goes that why would Oswald have a jacket on with a CA dry cleaning tag on it? I don't have links to that info but you can look it up.
This is similar to multiple wallets supposedly belonging to Oswald, the shells of an auto gun when they should have been revolver shells and other bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns to frame him up.
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That would explain why he never picked it up and pointed it out to Westbrook instead.
Officer K said that he saw Captain Westbrooke in his car on Jefferson and he took the jacket to him. It was difficult to operate the motorcycle while carrying the jacket.
"That's when we found his jacket. We saw Captain Westbrook in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket."
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"I turned the jacket over to him"
Mr. WESTBROOK. Actually, I didn't find it--it was pointed out to me by either some officer that--that was while we were going over the scene in the close area where the shooting was concerned, someone pointed out a jacket to me that was laying under a car and I got the jacket and told the officer to take the license number.
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Mr. WESTBROOK. Actually, I didn't find it--it was pointed out to me by either some officer that--that was while we were going over the scene in the close area where the shooting was concerned, someone pointed out a jacket to me that was laying under a car and I got the jacket and told the officer to take the license number.
So their statements directly contradict each other. Any particular reason you're choosing to state Westbrook's account as a fact? Especially considering that Westbrook couldn't even identify this officer (or even that it was an officer), or under which car the jacket was found.
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So their statements directly contradict each other. Any particular reason you're choosing to state Westbrook's account as a fact? Especially considering that Westbrook couldn't even identify this officer (or even that it was an officer), or under which car the jacket was found.
So their statements directly contradict each other.
That's true but Officer K was merely telling it as it was.....
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From Bowles’ introduction of chapter six (which I posted earlier in this thread):
While their recollections are presented in the first person, their comments should not be taken as unalterable quotes. Too many years have passed for them to remember with unimpeachable certainty what they might have said earlier and what they say now. Accordingly, what they say here should be considered for the meaning rather than exactness.
And from Westbrook’s WC testimony:
You know, I didn’t review my report before I came over here - I didn’t have a chance. I just came off of vacation and they hit me with this this morning as soon as I got to the office.
Even in the best of circumstances there are normally inconsistencies between the accounts of various people. If everyone’s accounts agreed totally and all the Ts were crossed and the Is were dotted, it would look suspicious to me.
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So their statements directly contradict each other. Any particular reason you're choosing to state Westbrook's account as a fact? Especially considering that Westbrook couldn't even identify this officer (or even that it was an officer), or under which car the jacket was found.
Walt and you should try to keep up. J.T. Griffin found the jacket. He left it in-situ while Westbrook left his car and walked over.
Sorry there's no Hollywood-quality film of this to meet your unattainable standard of proof.
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Walt and you should try to keep up. J.T. Griffin found the jacket. He left it in-situ while Westbrook left his car and walked over.
Sorry there's no Hollywood-quality film of this to meet your unattainable standard of proof.
"That's when we found his jacket. We saw Captain Westbrook in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket."
Mr Organ...May I suggest that you take a refresher course in reading comprehension.
Or have any 6th grader read what officer K said and explain it to you......
"That's when we found his jacket. We saw Captain Westbrook in his car on Jefferson so I turned the jacket over to him. It isn't easy to handle a motorcycle and hang on to a jacket."
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(https://www.orwelltoday.com/jfklhoroutemap.jpg)
Jefferson Blvd was visible from the parking lot.
Why in the world would Oswald take the long way where he supposedly shot Tippit if the whole plan was for him was to go see a "picture show." Doesn't make sense like a lot of things don't make sense in this case.
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Why in the world would Oswald take the long way where he supposedly shot Tippit if the whole plan was for him was to go see a "picture show." Doesn't make sense like a lot of things don't make sense in this case.
Why do you persist in asking these very logical questions ?..... But confusion can be expected in trying to make sense of nonsense. It's not difficult to prove that Lee Oswald was not the young man who William Whaley transported to Oakcliff at 12:30 that day. And since that's a fact, then the map of Lee's sojourn from the Bus depot to the theater is nothing but a figment of someone's imagination.
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Why in the world would Oswald take the long way where he supposedly shot Tippit if the whole plan was for him was to go see a "picture show." Doesn't make sense like a lot of things don't make sense in this case.
A far better question to ask is; What in the world was Oswald doing in the first place (if he was there at all) at a go-nowhere suburban street like 10th street when he had no apparent reason to be there?
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A far better question to ask is; What in the world was Oswald doing in the first place (if he was there at all) at a go-nowhere suburban street like 10th street when he had no apparent reason to be there?
Oswald attended a school there years before and was familiar with the area. He might know some of the secluded places (for smoking and talking trash about women like Trump) that the "cool" clique would hide out in. The other boys wouldn't let Lee go with them, so "Secret Agent Leon" would stalk them so he knew about such places. I don't know why he would need to hide out, maybe because he had killed the President.
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Walt and you should try to keep up. J.T. Griffin found the jacket. He left it in-situ while Westbrook left his car and walked over.
"Keep up"? I think you mean "make up". Where can we find Griffin's report confirming this claim?
Sorry there's no Hollywood-quality film of this to meet your unattainable standard of proof.
Sorry you have to make things up.
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Oswald attended a school there years before and was familiar with the area. He might know some of the secluded places (for smoking and talking trash about women like Trump) that the "cool" clique would hide out in. The other boys wouldn't let Lee go with them, so "Secret Agent Leon" would stalk them so he knew about such places. I don't know why he would need to hide out, maybe because he had killed the President.
What a stinky pile of offal! I'd be embarrassed .......
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From the testimony of Officer Thomas Hutson:
Mr. HUTSON. That looks like the jacket that was picked up by the officer behind the Texaco service station, behind the cars parked on the lot.
Mr. BELIN. How far were you from the officer when he picked it up?
Mr. HUTSON. Approximately 25 yards.
Mr. BELIN. Did you hear what he said when he picked it up?
Mr. HUTSON. I heard something----someone make the statement that that looks like the suspect's jacket. He has thrown it down. He is not wearing it now.
Mr. BELIN. Where is this Texaco station?
Mr. HUTSON. It is in the 400 block of East Jefferson at the intersection. It is on the northeast corner of the intersection of Crawford and Jefferson.
Mr. BELIN. How far north of Jefferson would this jacket have been when it was found?
Mr. HUTSON. One-half block.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know the name of the officer that found it?
Mr. HUTSON. No, sir; I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. What happened to the jacket?
Mr. HUTSON. The last time I saw this jacket, the officer had it in his possession.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know who he gave it to?
Mr. HUTSON. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BELIN. You don't know if he gave it to Captain Westbrook?
Mr. HUTSON. I don't know. Captain Westbrook was there behind the house with us, and he was there at the time this was picked up with the man, but I don't know who had it in their hands. The only time I saw it was when the officer had it.
Not only does Hutson's account indicate that this officer picked up the jacket, but are we to believe that this officer was Griffin who "was in the same squad" as Hutson, yet Hutson didn't know his name?
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From the testimony of Officer Thomas Hutson:
Mr. HUTSON. That looks like the jacket that was picked up by the officer behind the Texaco service station, behind the cars parked on the lot.
Mr. BELIN. How far were you from the officer when he picked it up?
Mr. HUTSON. Approximately 25 yards.
Mr. BELIN. Did you hear what he said when he picked it up?
Mr. HUTSON. I heard something----someone make the statement that that looks like the suspect's jacket. He has thrown it down. He is not wearing it now.
Mr. BELIN. Where is this Texaco station?
Mr. HUTSON. It is in the 400 block of East Jefferson at the intersection. It is on the northeast corner of the intersection of Crawford and Jefferson.
Mr. BELIN. How far north of Jefferson would this jacket have been when it was found?
Mr. HUTSON. One-half block.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know the name of the officer that found it?
Mr. HUTSON. No, sir; I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. What happened to the jacket?
Mr. HUTSON. The last time I saw this jacket, the officer had it in his possession.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know who he gave it to?
Mr. HUTSON. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BELIN. You don't know if he gave it to Captain Westbrook?
Mr. HUTSON. I don't know. Captain Westbrook was there behind the house with us, and he was there at the time this was picked up with the man, but I don't know who had it in their hands. The only time I saw it was when the officer had it.
Not only does Hutson's account indicate that this officer picked up the jacket, but are we to believe that this officer was Griffin who "was in the same squad" as Hutson, yet Hutson didn't know his name?
"was in the same squad" as Hutson, yet Hutson didn't know his name?
Wot we have heya is.... the thin blue line at work.....
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Oswald attended a school there years before and was familiar with the area. He might know some of the secluded places (for smoking and talking trash about women like Trump) that the "cool" clique would hide out in. The other boys wouldn't let Lee go with them, so "Secret Agent Leon" would stalk them so he knew about such places.
What in the world are you talking about? What school?
I don't know why he would need to hide out, maybe because he had killed the President.
Walking around random streets is a great way to "hide out".
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What in the world are you talking about? What school?
Walking around random streets is a great way to "hide out".
Walking around random streets is a great way to "hide out". :D
I'll be dipped.... You do have a sense of humous....
I love sarcasm
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Walking around random streets is a great way to "hide out". :D
I'll be dipped.... You do have a sense of humous....
How are the streets "random" if Oswald had gone to school there and he was in the habit of getting off buses and cabs blocks from his ratty boarding house?
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Walt Cakebread on August 19, 2022, 11:07:57 AM
"IT ISN"T EASY TO HANDLE A MOTORCYCLE AND HANG ON TO A JACKET. "
That would explain why he never picked it up and pointed it out to Westbrook instead.
Actually..it doesn't either.
He wasn't in a hot air balloon. A cop sees something...he obtains it rather than point at it say "look what I see."
Stepping off a motorcycle is what motorcycle cops do.
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How are the streets "random" if Oswald had gone to school there and he was in the habit of getting off buses and cabs blocks from his ratty boarding house?
I thought he went to Ft Worth schools.
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So their statements directly contradict each other. Any particular reason you're choosing to state Westbrook's account as a fact? Especially considering that Westbrook couldn't even identify this officer (or even that it was an officer), or under which car the jacket was found.
A statement made under oath by Westbrook a few months after the fact vs a statement made by an unnamed individual to another unnamed individual at an unspecified time.
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A statement made under oath by Westbrook a few months after the fact vs a statement made by an unnamed individual to another unnamed individual at an unspecified time.
This is hilarious. A person who actually finds a piece of evidence is automatically part of the chain of custody, as he is the only one who can confirm that the piece of evidence was indeed found at that particular location. To argue otherwise is silly.
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I thought he went to Ft Worth schools.
John and Robert Oswald did attend a school in Dallas but not in the area of the Tippit murder. I must have gotten something wrong.
There are some writings that "connect" Lee Oswald to a school in Dallas. This by James Reston Jr:
"From there we proceeded to the neighborhood of W.H. Adamson High School.
(Oswald had dropped out of high school in the 10th grade to volunteer for the
Marine Corps.) As the crow flies, the school is about a mile from 1026 N. Beckley
Ave. Oswald had wandered there, for reasons no one can know."
And Jon Dietz:
"Oswald found himself walking in front of the W.H. Adamson High School. This
was the school Oswald had abandoned at age seventeen in order to join the
Marine Corps."
I must have read such a claim somewhere and fail to check it. My apologies.
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A statement made under oath by Westbrook a few months after the fact vs a statement made by an unnamed individual to another unnamed individual at an unspecified time.
You say “under oath” like that makes something more likely to be true.
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If you want to talk about the jacket some more, here's some additional and a lot of info about it.
https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1165-oswald-and-the-amazing-technicolor-dream-coat
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This is hilarious. A person who actually finds a piece of evidence is automatically part of the chain of custody, as he is the only one who can confirm that the piece of evidence was indeed found at that particular location. To argue otherwise is silly.
Shabby street; shabby Oswald fits right in...
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John and Robert Oswald did attend a school in Dallas but not in the area of the Tippit murder. I must have gotten something wrong.
There are some writings that "connect" Lee Oswald to a school in Dallas. This by James Reston Jr:
"From there we proceeded to the neighborhood of W.H. Adamson High School.
(Oswald had dropped out of high school in the 10th grade to volunteer for the
Marine Corps.) As the crow flies, the school is about a mile from 1026 N. Beckley
Ave. Oswald had wandered there, for reasons no one can know."
And Jon Dietz:
"Oswald found himself walking in front of the W.H. Adamson High School. This
was the school Oswald had abandoned at age seventeen in order to join the
Marine Corps."
I must have read such a claim somewhere and fail to check it. My apologies.
Jerry Organ wrote: " I must have gotten something wrong."
Yes, You sure did, Mr Organ.... Starting with the belief that Lee Oswald shot and killed anybody.
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Jerry Organ wrote: " I must have gotten something wrong."
Yes, You sure did, Mr Organ.... Starting with the belief that Lee Oswald shot and killed anybody.
LOL! We'll never hear an acknowledgment of error from you. And you make hundreds every month.
(BTW, it's liberating to acknowledge error; that's why the likes of Trump, Cruz, Guilliani and Roger Stone appear to be suffering and angry all the time).
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LOL! We'll never hear an acknowledgment of error from you. And you make hundreds every month.
(BTW, it's liberating to acknowledge error; that's why the likes of Trump, Cruz, Guilliani and Roger Stone appear to be suffering and angry all the time).
We'll never hear an acknowledgment of error from you. And you make hundreds every month.
Not so, Mr O... I do make mustrakes .... And I know I will profit (In advancing my knowledge) from knowing that I was in error. Only a damned fool would continue to believe the earth is flat after it was proven to be a sphere. A person who refuses to admit an error is doomed to remain an ignoramus .....
Addressing your statement that I make hundreds of errors every month....And maybe I do.....But sometimes I think just getting out of bed in the morning is a mistake. But I believe that anybody who believes that Lee Oswald killed JFK has taken leave of their senses. Lee obviously was in the 1st floor lunchroom at 12:27 when Jarman and Norman walked by....So he couldn't have been at the sixth floor window and firing a rusty old carcano with a crooked scope at JFK at 12:30.
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No, a chain of custody that would work would be an actual chain of custody.
Besides, what is the jacket evidence of, exactly?
It's evidence that it was NOT the Jacket that Mrs Roberts swore she saw Lee putting on as he left the rooming house. Photos of the Jacket in the parking lot clearly show that the Jacket is WHITE. Mrs Roberts said that the jacket that she saw Lee putting on was BROWN.