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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Walt Cakebread on July 31, 2022, 06:48:12 PM
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Charles Collins posted this picture of CE 139. It appears to have been painted black in the past.
(https://i.vgy.me/IoLsNE.jpg)
This is very interesting..... Because, before Benito Mussolini was lynched, he was Il Duce. And he had a special, elite, corps of body guards. Those elite body guards had special and very distinctive black uniforms. All of their equipment was highly polished black....boots, belts, helmets, etc.
Their rifles were the carcano model 91/ 38 short rifle , ( the same model as CE 139) ) The wooden stocks of those rifle were lacquered with a gloss black lacquer ..... They are very very rare and I don't believe that there is one in the US. ..... BUT.... CE 139 does appear to be one of those carcanos....
Does anybody know of a very detailed description of CE 139?
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I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.
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I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.
It was originally brown I'd imagine.
Yes, that would be a fair assumption..... But Mussolini may have ordered the rifles for his "Guardie Del Duce" lacquered in gloss black, from the factory. THAT is the basic question.
WAS CE 139 ever stained brown?.... IF ? IF? Ce 139 is actually a rifle of the Guardie Del Duce then the big question is... Where the hell did Lee Oswald get his hands on a very rare rifle?
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I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.
Day indicated that the wooden stock was too rough for useable fingerprints. I believe that only the metal parts were dusted. Also, take a look at the backyard photos. See how the wood compares with the black clothes…
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It was originally brown I'd imagine.
Yes, that would be a fair assumption..... But Mussolini may have ordered the rifles for his "Guardie Del Duce" lacquered in gloss black, from the factory. THAT is the basic question.
WAS CE 139 ever stained brown?.... IF ? IF? Ce 139 is actually a rifle of the Guardie Del Duce then the big question is... Where the hell did Lee Oswald get his hands on a very rare rifle?
That’s a big if…
But I imagine that you will find a way to “prove” your idea. And invent another story for everyone’s entertainment…
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That’s a big if…
But I imagine that you will find a way to “prove” your idea. And invent another story for everyone’s entertainment…
If you're seeking entertainment .... read the posts by "Richard Smith".
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That’s a big if…
But I imagine that you will find a way to “prove” your idea. And invent another story for everyone’s entertainment…
Did we ever resolve the problem of the discrepancy between the Alyea film that shows the carcano lying on the floor and Lt Day grabbing the leather sling and lifting the rifle FROM THE FLOOR while the official DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between boxes of books?
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Charles Collins posted this picture of CE 139. It appears to have been painted black in the past.
(https://i.vgy.me/IoLsNE.jpg)
This is very interesting..... Because, before Benito Mussolini was lynched, he was Il Duce. And he had a special, elite, corps of body guards. Those elite body guards had special and very distinctive black uniforms. All of their equipment was highly polished black....boots, belts, helmets, etc.
Their rifles were the carcano model 91/ 38 short rifle , ( the same model as CE 139) ) The wooden stocks of those rifle were lacquered with a gloss black lacquer ..... They are very very rare and I don't believe that there is one in the US. ..... BUT.... CE 139 does appear to be one of those carcanos....
Does anybody know of a very detailed description of CE 139?
Whew. Red rings, umbrella signals, and now Mussolini. Maybe Mick and the boys can incorporate this latest fantasy into song:
I see a MC rifle
And I want it painted black
No colors anymore
I want them to turn black.
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Did we ever resolve the problem of the discrepancy between the Alyea film that shows the carcano lying on the floor and Lt Day grabbing the leather sling and lifting the rifle FROM THE FLOOR while the official DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between boxes of books?
Question for you Walt: If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?
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I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.
(https://i.postimg.cc/j53BfL4c/BLACK-STOCK.png)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/j53BfL4c/BLACK-STOCK.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/j53BfL4c/BLACK-STOCK.png)
That's a very good picture of ce 139..... And I do believe that the stock was painted black at some point in time. And I would guess that it was painted black over the brown finish that all carcano's left the factory with. So WHO put the black paint on that rifle and Why?
I wonder if there is a list of the serial numbers of the rifles of the Guardie Del Duce?
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Did we ever resolve the problem of the discrepancy between the Alyea film that shows the carcano lying on the floor and Lt Day grabbing the leather sling and lifting the rifle FROM THE FLOOR while the official DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between boxes of books?
Yes, about a dozen times.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/j53BfL4c/BLACK-STOCK.png)
That's a very good picture of ce 139..... And I do believe that the stock was painted black at some point in time. And I would guess that it was painted black over the brown finish that all carcano's left the factory with. So WHO put the black paint on that rifle and Why?
I wonder if there is a list of the serial numbers of the rifles of the Guardie Del Duce?
Ya thanks but that was the picture you put up; I just applied a little contrast.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8Pv3g82h/black-rifle.png)
Same rifle as above
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(https://i.ibb.co/qdtvSYL/rifle2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdtvSYL)
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(https://i.ibb.co/qdtvSYL/rifle2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdtvSYL)
ARE THESE TWO PHOTOS OF A CARCANO THE SAME RIFLE ??
(https://i.postimg.cc/8Pv3g82h/black-rifle.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdtvSYL/rifle2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdtvSYL)
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Yes, about a dozen times.
What was the explanation for the discrepancy between the Alyea film which shows Lt Day reaching out and picking up the rifle (which is lying on it's side ) by the leather sling and the official DPD in situ photo which shows the rifle NOT lying on the floor but jammed upright between boxes.
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Question for you Walt: If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?
If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?
Yes, my carcano will stand upright but my rifle does not have a two pound scope mounted off to the left side.
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If you try to make the rifle stand up by itself (on a flat surface like a floor) with the bottom (flat) part of the magazine as partially supporting the rifle, will it stay upright without any additional support?
Yes, my carcano will stand upright but my rifle does not have a two pound scope mounted off to the left side.
Do you have an accurate weight of your rifle (no scope)?
Edit: I believe that Robert Frazier testified that the rifle and scope weighed 8-pounds. Wikipedia lists that model rifle as weighing 7.5-pounds. Therefore the scope weighs 1/2-pound. Not two pounds as you claim.
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Do you have an accurate weight of your rifle (no scope)?
Edit: I believe that Robert Frazier testified that the rifle and scope weighed 8-pounds. Wikipedia lists that model rifle as weighing 7.5-pounds. Therefore the scope weighs 1/2-pound. Not two pounds as you claim.
The weight of the scope isn't critical.....I believe that the scope mounted on the left would cause the rifle to topple to the left if you tried to balance the rifle on it's magazine. When i set my carcano on the floor it will balance on the magazine but it is a delicate balance. A bit of wind from the side would probably cause it to fall over on it's side.
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ARE THESE TWO PHOTOS OF A CARCANO THE SAME RIFLE ??
(https://i.postimg.cc/8Pv3g82h/black-rifle.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/qdtvSYL/rifle2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qdtvSYL)
These photos are of two different carcanos.... Can someone offer an explanation?
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The sling was professionally installed...
Who did the job?
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/omeka-net/30216/archive/fullsize/8053649afa9b769087072ef98c786a85.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI3ATG3OSQLO5HGKA&Expires=1661385600&Signature=5WaLHWLKdnN5roy55MlFUzYfhaE%3D)
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The sling was professionally installed...
Who did the job?
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/omeka-net/30216/archive/fullsize/8053649afa9b769087072ef98c786a85.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI3ATG3OSQLO5HGKA&Expires=1661385600&Signature=5WaLHWLKdnN5roy55MlFUzYfhaE%3D)
I believe that the carrying strap ( it's not a sling) was made for the carcano. The liars have attempted to sell us the BS that Lee made that strap out of an old US Army air corps pistol belt. That's utter BS!
But back to the two photos that definitely display two different rifles, one with a brown wooden stock and the other with the stock painted black. I'm now wondering if the rifle found in the TSBD did not have the serial number C2766 ..... Yes, I know that we've seen photos of a carcano barrel with that serial number stamped on it but was that the number that was on the TSBD rifle when it was found? It's a very easy job to switch the barrels from one carcano to another.