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Off Topic => News - Off Topic - Weird & Wacky => Topic started by: Joe Elliott on March 29, 2022, 10:10:05 PM
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Sanctions against Russia needs to be redoubled, unless they release the truth about Hunter Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-on-putin-to-release-dirt-on-hunter-biden/ar-AAVD3pT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=893f62293f6746c28605dd0ec7970240 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-on-putin-to-release-dirt-on-hunter-biden/ar-AAVD3pT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=893f62293f6746c28605dd0ec7970240)
If they would just do that, the sanctions can be lifted and Russia be allowed free reign in Ukraine.
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All joking aside, clearly Trump believes that Putin would prefer to have Trump back in the White House. Biden is starting to grow a little old on the Russians. Maybe Russia can do something to help this become a reality as soon as 2025. Or maybe a little sooner, if Trump is appointed the Speaker of the House. All Russia has to do is its part. Release, or manufacture and release, proof on Hunter Biden (and might as well include Joseph Biden) criminal involvement in some scheme. Trump tried to coerce Ukraine into doing so back in 2019. Maybe Russia can be made to do so freely.
This is insane. Does Trump really believe that Americans, as a whole, would believe a case made by Russia? Americans would be less willing to believe that than a case made by certain Republican Senators. It appears that Trump does believe this else he would not be calling out Russia to do so.
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It's funny how every story becomes about Trump. Trump was right the entire time about Hunter. The FBI, DOJ, and media covered up Hunter's illegal conduct until Old Joe could be elected. But the criticism is somehow directed at Trump who turns out to be correct yet again on a story that was deemed a wild "conspiracy theory" and banned on social media. From all reports, the Feds are about to indict Hunter for a potential laundry list of crimes. When even CNN breaks the media boycott on the Hunter Biden story, you know that something is about to happen. The DOJ and FBI are so corrupt that Hunter might get a slap on the wrist but it's not looking good for him. My favorite defense suggested by CNN is that because Hunter was so often high on crack that his conduct might not be deemed intentional. LOL.
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I have renamed this thread from “Sanctions Against Russia Needs to be Redoubled” to “Trump calls upon Putin to release information about Hunter Biden”. I did this because I made a mistake to go with a joking title for the thread, instead of a more descriptive title.
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It's funny how every story becomes about Trump. Trump was right the entire time about Hunter. The FBI, DOJ, and media covered up Hunter's illegal conduct until Old Joe could be elected. But the criticism is somehow directed at Trump who turns out to be correct yet again on a story that was deemed a wild "conspiracy theory" and banned on social media. From all reports, the Feds are about to indict Hunter for a potential laundry list of crimes. When even CNN breaks the media boycott on the Hunter Biden story, you know that something is about to happen. The DOJ and FBI are so corrupt that Hunter might get a slap on the wrist but it's not looking good for him. My favorite defense suggested by CNN is that because Hunter was so often high on crack that his conduct might not be deemed intentional. LOL.
Any case against Hunter Biden is tainted, in my mind, by Donald Trump. I don’t think there would have been any case being made about Hunter Biden, if he wasn’t the son on Joe Biden.
In 2019, Trump secretly calls upon President Zelenskyy of Ukraine to interfere with America’s elections, by releasing information against Hunter Biden. Emboldened by Congress’s failure to convict him in his impeachment trial of 2000, Trump now, in 2022, openly calls upon President Putin of Russia to interfere with America’s elections, by releasing information against Hunter Biden.
Russia and probably friends of Trump’s, are certainly capable of manufacturing evidence against Hunter Biden. Why should I trust evidence against him?
Author, journalist and attorney Seth Abramson said it best:
President Biden is America's commander-in-chief; we're at the brink of open war with Russia; Putin is unambiguously an enemy of America.
So one would expect any info Putin releases about our commander-in-chief to be a lie—and yet Trump now begs for Putin's aid. Open treachery.
And another point, Trump could not hope that Putin will release evidence against Hunter Biden, unless Putin would prefer to deal with someone else other than Joseph Biden, someone like Donald Trump, right?
Question 1: How is Trump’s request of Putin, any different from, a hypothetical request by President Roosevelt, in 1940, for Adolf Hitler, to release any dirt he has on Wendell Willkie, the Republican candidate for President?
Question 2: Do you think this should be the new norm, for American candidates to plead with Russia to release information, real or fabricated, against potential candidates from the other party?
Question 3: Doesn’t Trump’s request strongly indicate, that Trump believes, that Putin would rather have Donald Trump as President than Joseph Biden.
I am only asking 3 simple questions. Don’t follow the example of the CTers on this board who often dodge simple but tough questions. Us LNers should hold ourselves to a higher standard.
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Any case against Hunter Biden is tainted, in my mind, by Donald Trump. I don’t think there would have been any case being made about Hunter Biden, if he wasn’t the son on Joe Biden.
In 2019, Trump secretly calls upon President Zelenskyy of Ukraine to interfere with America’s elections, by releasing information against Hunter Biden. Emboldened by Congress’s failure to convict him in his impeachment trial of 2000, Trump now, in 2022, openly calls upon President Putin of Russia to interfere with America’s elections, by releasing information against Hunter Biden.
Russia and probably friends of Trump’s, are certainly capable of manufacturing evidence against Hunter Biden. Why should I trust evidence against him?
Author, journalist and attorney Seth Abramson said it best:
And another point, Trump could not hope that Putin will release evidence against Hunter Biden, unless Putin would prefer to deal with someone else other than Joseph Biden, someone like Donald Trump, right?
Question 1: How is Trump’s request of Putin, any different from, a hypothetical request by President Roosevelt, in 1940, for Adolf Hitler, to release any dirt he has on Wendell Willkie, the Republican candidate for President?
Question 2: Do you think this should be the new norm, for American candidates to plead with Russia to release information, real or fabricated, against potential candidates from the other party?
Question 3: Doesn’t Trump’s request strongly indicate, that Trump believes, that Putin would rather have Donald Trump as President than Joseph Biden.
I am only asking 3 simple questions. Don’t follow the example of the CTers on this board who often dodge simple but tough questions. Us LNers should hold ourselves to a higher standard.
The case is tainted because of Trump? LOL. That is rich. Trump had nothing to do with any of this except to note the obvious criminal conduct and corruption that was going unpunished for decades. It turns out he was right on every count. Why not criticize Joe Biden and mainstream media for covering up and profiting from his son's corruption instead of Trump? The only reason Hunter was not already in prison was because of the corruption the DOJ and FBI. Hunter has committed every manner of crime. He has left more evidence than Oswald. He was so high that he forgot that he dropped off a laptop full of evidence. Joe Biden lied when he said the laptop was a product of Russian disinformation! An outright lie with foreign policy implications. Hunter also had to turn over his financial documents after he impregnated a stripper. He is not a very bright guy. The tide is turning with the media leaks and concessions. It's just a matter of time before they announce his indictment. Given the corruption at DOJ, Hunter might not get jail time but pleads to criminal conduct forever disgracing him and his co-conspirator Joe Biden.
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The case is tainted because of Trump? LOL. That is rich. Trump had nothing to do with any of this except to note the obvious criminal conduct and corruption that was going unpunished for decades. It turns out he was right on every count. Why not criticize Joe Biden and mainstream media for covering up and profiting from his son's corruption instead of Trump? The only reason Hunter was not already in prison was because of the corruption the DOJ and FBI. Hunter has committed every manner of crime. He has left more evidence than Oswald. He was so high that he forgot that he dropped off a laptop full of evidence. Joe Biden lied when he said the laptop was a product of Russian disinformation! An outright lie with foreign policy implications. Hunter also had to turn over his financial documents after he impregnated a stripper. He is not a very bright guy. The tide is turning with the media leaks and concessions. It's just a matter of time before they announce his indictment. Given the corruption at DOJ, Hunter might not get jail time but pleads to criminal conduct forever disgracing him and his co-conspirator Joe Biden.
How do we know that this laptop is not a product of Russian disinformation? Would creating this be something that is beyond their capabilities? Or maybe it was a real Hunter Biden laptop and the Russians added a bunch of information. Or maybe people who support Trump did so. How do we know?
Trump tried to get Ukraine to present, or manufacture, a case against Hunter Biden in 2019. He is trying that today with Russia. So, it seems plausible that Trump may have pursued other schemes against Hunter Biden. Having a President of the United States trying all sorts of nefarious means to make a case against Hunter Biden, over the course of at least three years, naturally raises the question of the value of any evidence that is found. This is not unreasonable.
But, more to the point, you did not answer my three simple questions from earlier today. Why are you dodging these questions?
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Sanctions against Russia needs to be redoubled, unless they release the truth about Hunter Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-on-putin-to-release-dirt-on-hunter-biden/ar-AAVD3pT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=893f62293f6746c28605dd0ec7970240 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-on-putin-to-release-dirt-on-hunter-biden/ar-AAVD3pT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=893f62293f6746c28605dd0ec7970240)
If they would just do that, the sanctions can be lifted and Russia be allowed free reign in Ukraine.
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All joking aside, clearly Trump believes that Putin would prefer to have Trump back in the White House. Biden is starting to grow a little old on the Russians. Maybe Russia can do something to help this become a reality as soon as 2025. Or maybe a little sooner, if Trump is appointed the Speaker of the House. All Russia has to do is its part. Release, or manufacture and release, proof on Hunter Biden (and might as well include Joseph Biden) criminal involvement in some scheme. Trump tried to coerce Ukraine into doing so back in 2019. Maybe Russia can be made to do so freely.
This is insane. Does Trump really believe that Americans, as a whole, would believe a case made by Russia? Americans would be less willing to believe that than a case made by certain Republican Senators. It appears that Trump does believe this else he would not be calling out Russia to do so.
Once again this confirms that Criminal Donald and Putin are working together in coordination.
Donnie did this in 2016 when he asked his puppet master Putin to release non existent Hillary Clinton emails to damage her politically. Now Donnie's doing the same thing asking Putin for "dirt" on the Biden's when the President is trying to defeat this murderous dictator. Once again, this is treason asking a dictator of foreign regime to come up with disinformation to illegally smear the President's son for political gain.
Over 50 former Intel officials have all confirmed the fake Hunter Biden story is Russian disinformation. If they actually had "dirt" on Biden they would have produced it back in 2020. Donnie wouldn't have had to extort President Zelenskyy of Ukraine to issue a fake Biden story until he released their military aid if Putin really had "dirt". Common sense tells you that but the right wing media needs to push a fake Biden story as deflection to take the heat off the real crimes committed by Criminal Donald and his crime family. Projection 101.
So, Donnie praises Putin as a "genius" for invading Ukraine in the media. Yesterday, Donnie publicly cried out for his puppet master Putin for help to dig up "dirt" on the Biden's. Russia reciprocates right after by announcing on Russian state tv that they want a "regime change" in the U.S. to install 'Partner Trump" again. That makes it clearly obvious that Putin and Trump are colluding once again as they did in 2016. They are "partners" as Russia says. And we can't forget that Donnie gave Putin whatever he wanted for 4 years as he weakened America, Ukraine, and our NATO allies. Russia wants their stooge Russian asset Donald Trump back in office again as their "partner" because Biden has clamped down and is being a strong leader. Donnie helped Russia achieve their goals and they want their orange puppet back.
Yesterday, Russian state tv called Criminal Donald and Putin "partners". You can't get anymore clear than that. Donnie is a treasonous traitor calling on a foreign murderous dictator to "help him" and Russia wants to install him "again" they said. The "again" means they installed him the first time in 2016. You can't get anymore clear than that. This Ukraine invasion is a plot by Putin hoping to install Donnie again. The right wing media and GOP politicians are pushing the same talking points that the Kremlin is using. They are "partners" as Russia says.
It's also another reason why 31 Republican Senators voted "no" to aid Ukraine militarily and why the GOP is blocking the transfer of weapons to Ukraine. It's perfectly clear what's going on and they are doing the coordination in plain sight. Donnie and the GOP are "partners" with Putin hoping to damage Biden politically so they can reinstall Criminal Donald. The Russians said they want "regime change" in the US. That tells us all we need to know.
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If you are a partner of Trump, you are a traitor to both the Constitution and our democracy.
Trump is a Russian asset. Don't you remember him saying "Russia, if you are listening... "
Why do you think he asks for Putin's help to win elections?
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How do we know that this laptop is not a product of Russian disinformation? Would creating this be something that is beyond their capabilities? Or maybe it was a real Hunter Biden laptop and the Russians added a bunch of information. Or maybe people who support Trump did so. How do we know?
Trump tried to get Ukraine to present, or manufacture, a case against Hunter Biden in 2019. He is trying that today with Russia. So, it seems plausible that Trump may have pursued other schemes against Hunter Biden. Having a President of the United States trying all sorts of nefarious means to make a case against Hunter Biden, over the course of at least three years, naturally raises the question of the value of any evidence that is found. This is not unreasonable.
But, more to the point, you did not answer my three simple questions from earlier today. Why are you dodging these questions?
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Below are my responses to your questions. How do we know Hunter's laptop is not the product of the Russian disinformation? The NY Times, Wash. Post and CNN (no friends to Trump) have all now acknowledged that the information contained therein is legitimate. They have sources at the DOJ and FBI who have investigated this for years. They don't suddenly all publish those stories without confirmation from their sources. We will all find out the conclusion of that investigation shortly.
And do you really think no stone would have been left unturned if there were legitimate evidence of Russians attempting to influence the election? The media and DOJ would have promoted the laptop story as exhibit A instead of burying it. The idea that the Russians concocted this story, found a Hunter look-a-like to drop it off at a random computer store and then hope the proprietor would look at the contents and report it to the authorities is laughable. No one can believe that was a planned event. Hunter got high, dropped off the computer, and then forgot about it.
Question 1: How is Trump’s request of Putin, any different from, a hypothetical request by President Roosevelt, in 1940, for Adolf Hitler, to release any dirt he has on Wendell Willkie, the Republican candidate for President?
Trump is not president. He is not, as yet, running for any political office. He is a private citizen. Even if he runs, there is no guarantee Biden will be his opponent. In fact, that seems extremely unlikely given Biden's age (82 in 2024) and obvious physical and mental decline. But EVEN if Trump and Biden run again, there is absolutely nothing impermissible about Trump making a public request for information. He is not making a secret request. He is also not asking the Russians to concoct misinformation (as Hillary Clinton did). He believes, rightly it appears, that Hunter Biden engaged in criminal conduct. If the Russians have legitimate information that demonstrates a basis to blackmail Joe Biden, the American public should be made aware of it. That is a substantial national security risk. The Dems certainly had no objections to investigating information they believed came from Russian intelligence sources when Trump was president. They spent three years on that.
Question 2: Do you think this should be the new norm, for American candidates to plead with Russia to release information, real or fabricated, against potential candidates from the other party?
It won't become the "norm" or factor at all unless: i) the DOJ, FBI, and media fail to do their jobs for political purposes; and ii) there is no wrong doing by the potential candidate. The fault here is not with Trump but with the Biden family for engaging in questionable and likely criminal conduct. If law enforcement and media had held them accountable instead of caving to political considerations. Trump would not have to appeal to the Russians. Regardless, it is better than having the Russians be able to blackmail corrupt American political leaders.
Question 3: Doesn’t Trump’s request strongly indicate, that Trump believes, that Putin would rather have Donald Trump as President than Joseph Biden.
I'm not sure what difference that makes. Putin does what is in Putin's interest. He invaded Ukraine on Biden's watch - twice. Likely because he has no respect for Biden. If liking Trump better than Biden avoids WWIII that seems like a small price to pay. Ask the Ukranians, though.
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'He's Taking The Side Of Putin': Trump Asks For 'Invented Dirt' From Russia
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Yesterday, it was reported that Criminal Donald's White House official phone call logs from January 6th have a stunning seven hour gap in them, matching up with the timeframe before and during the Capitol siege. This suggested that Donnie was using a private cellphone for the numerous documented phone calls he had with his political associates and Republican members of Congress. It also raised questions about whether Donnie’s official White House phone line could have gone silent for seven hours, even if Donnie was trying to avoid using it; wouldn’t people have been trying to call him on the official line?
Now we’re getting confirmation that the January 6th White House call logs are indeed inaccurate. The Guardian’s Hugo Lowell is reporting today that Donnie used his official White House phone line to call Republican Senator Mike Lee – and yet this call is not in the call logs.
There are only two possible explanations for this. One would be that an honest error was made in the call logs while Criminal Donald was plotting a coup, which would be the kind of absurdly unlikely coincidence that strains credulity. This leaves us with the other explanation, which would be that the call logs were outright falsified.
This gets even more suspicious when you consider that when Donnie called Mike Lee, he was actually trying to call a different Republican Senator, Tommy Tuberville. Tuberville ultimately voted against certifying the election results that night, making him a de facto participant in the plot to overthrow the government.
This gives the January 6th Committee a clear path to demand that both Mike Lee and Tommy Tuberville testify about their end of that now-infamous phone call. We’re guessing the committee already has Lee’s and Tuberville’s own phone records from that day. And now that it’s been established that the Trump White House January 6th phone logs are at the least inaccurate and apparently falsified when it comes to this one phone call, it’s a good guess that it’s not the only one. The upcoming January 6th Committee public hearings are going to be nothing short of explosive.
Donnie is certainly feeling the heat which is why he cried out for his puppet master Putin to help him.
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Russia wants their orange stooge back in power after they installed him in 2016. The same day Donnie cried out to Putin for help to release disinformation against President Biden's son, Russia responds by saying they want Donnie back in power and they will help him "again". This is a criminal conspiracy right out in the open. Donnie's treason coup 2.0.
Russia calls Trump their “partner,” vows to help him “again” to become president
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'He's Taking The Side Of Putin': Trump Asks For 'Invented Dirt' From Russia
This is a complete lie and mischaracterization of what Trump said. Trump never asked anyone to "invent dirt" on Hunter Biden. That is not only a lie but idiotic. Would someone give an interview on TV suggesting that they are asking Russia to "invent" a story? Trump simply asked about the well documented payment for $3.5 million dollars from Moscow to a firm that Hunter worked for. To suggest that Trump asked Russia to "fabricate" or "invent" harmful information is a complete mischaracterization of the event which anyone can confirm by watching the interview. Who actually asked for dirt from Russia on a political opponent and used Russian disinformation? Hillary Clinton!
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Joe-
Below are my responses to your questions. How do we know Hunter's laptop is not the product of the Russian disinformation? The NY Times, Wash. Post and CNN (no friends to Trump) have all now acknowledged that the information contained therein is legitimate. They have sources at the DOJ and FBI who have investigated this for years. They don't suddenly all publish those stories without confirmation from their sources. We will all find out the conclusion of that investigation shortly.
I can see why you hesitated to answer my three questions.
And do you really think no stone would have been left unturned if there were legitimate evidence of Russians attempting to influence the election? The media and DOJ would have promoted the laptop story as exhibit A instead of burying it. The idea that the Russians concocted this story, found a Hunter look-a-like to drop it off at a random computer store and then hope the proprietor would look at the contents and report it to the authorities is laughable. No one can believe that was a planned event. Hunter got high, dropped off the computer, and then forgot about it.
Maybe the laptop was not turned in by Hunter. Maybe it was not turned in by a Hunter look alike. Maybe the computer store and the proprietor were not chosen by random.
Certainly, the Russians and maybe some Trump supporter would be capable of faking this evidence. Is it really unbelievable that Trump may have asked the Russians for some assistance in this matter? Is that really the sort of thing Trump would never do?
Question 1: How is Trump’s request of Putin, any different from, a hypothetical request by President Roosevelt, in 1940, for Adolf Hitler, to release any dirt he has on Wendell Willkie, the Republican candidate for President?
Trump is not president. He is not, as yet, running for any political office. He is a private citizen. Even if he runs, there is no guarantee Biden will be his opponent. In fact, that seems extremely unlikely given Biden's age (82 in 2024) and obvious physical and mental decline. But EVEN if Trump and Biden run again, there is absolutely nothing impermissible about Trump making a public request for information. He is not making a secret request. He is also not asking the Russians to concoct misinformation (as Hillary Clinton did). He believes, rightly it appears, that Hunter Biden engaged in criminal conduct. If the Russians have legitimate information that demonstrates a basis to blackmail Joe Biden, the American public should be made aware of it. That is a substantial national security risk. The Dems certainly had no objections to investigating information they believed came from Russian intelligence sources when Trump was president. They spent three years on that.
You are totally dodging the question. It’s like saying:
The two situations are totally different because Roosevelt was President while Trump is an ex-President.
The two situations are totally different because Roosevelt used a wheelchair while Trump does not.
The two situations are totally different because Roosevelt did not play golf while Trump does.
It is bad for a President, and ex-President or any American to call upon an enemy of America for political assistance.
In 1940, America was not at war with Nazi Germany but Nazi Germany was America’s enemy because it was attacking democratic countries. Similarly, in 2022, Russia is America’s enemy. Both Hitler (was) and Putin (is) enemies of America. No one should be appealing to Putin for political help.
Question 2: Do you think this should be the new norm, for American candidates to plead with Russia to release information, real or fabricated, against potential candidates from the other party?
It won't become the "norm" or factor at all unless: i) the DOJ, FBI, and media fail to do their jobs for political purposes; and ii) there is no wrong doing by the potential candidate. The fault here is not with Trump but with the Biden family for engaging in questionable and likely criminal conduct. If law enforcement and media had held them accountable instead of caving to political considerations. Trump would not have to appeal to the Russians. Regardless, it is better than having the Russians be able to blackmail corrupt American political leaders.
A convincing case against Hunter Biden has not been made while Joseph Biden is President. Nor was one made while Trump was President. And any case based on information provided by Russia would be highly unconvincing.
And so, your answer seems to be, yes, pleading with Russia to create/release information against political opponents should be the new normal for American politicians. Provided it is “necessary”. So, it would have been acceptable for Roosevelt, in 1940, to appeal to Hitler to provided evidence of illicit business dealings with Germany, by businessman and Republican candidate for President Wendell Willkie. Provided this was necessary. That is, Roosevelt could not get the Justice Department to make such a case. And so, it is also acceptable for Trump to do this with Putin.
Question 3: Doesn’t Trump’s request strongly indicate, that Trump believes, that Putin would rather have Donald Trump as President than Joseph Biden.
I'm not sure what difference that makes. Putin does what is in Putin's interest. He invaded Ukraine on Biden's watch - twice. Likely because he has no respect for Biden. If liking Trump better than Biden avoids WWIII that seems like a small price to pay. Ask the Ukranians, though.
You have dodged the question. I didn’t ask “What does Putin think”. I asked “What does Trump think”. And the answer is clear. Trump believes that Putin is likely to help Trump defeat Biden in 2024, or maybe sooner. He wouldn’t be asking for this help if he thought Putin prefers facing Biden over Trump.
And I guess you would claim that Hoover was a stronger President than Roosevelt because no dictator took control and attacked democratic countries under Hoover’s watch, but it happened multiple times under Roosevelt’s.
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Donnie and the GOP are "partners" with Putin hoping to damage Biden politically so they can reinstall Criminal Donald. The Russians said they want "regime change" in the US. That tells us all we need to know.
These Putin supporting Republicans keep proving me right. They are so predictable.
I said the other day, the GOP are partners with Putin. And sure enough, right after Donnie cried out to his puppet master Putin for help on right wing tv, Republican Senator Kevin Cramer also called out to Putin to release phony "dirt" on Biden.
On Thursday, right wing Tennessee Senator Marsha Blackburn defended Putin on Twitter and falsely smeared President Biden with the same Kremlin propaganda being pushed on Russian state television saying this:
"Biden administration policies, not Putin, have caused record-high gas prices".
https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1509590964700078085
For the record, a President does not set gas prices, the oil companies do. Biden is going after these oil companies who are gouging us for profit and refusing to use their 9,000 permits to drill oil in the US. But Blackburn knows that and was purposely using Kremlin propaganda to publicly defend Putin.
Then last night on Russian state television, the topic of discussion was which Republican Senators are "most loyal to Putin". Can you believe that?
Now, there were 31 Senate Republicans that voted against military aid for Ukraine to fight Putin and to protect our national security.
Does anybody want to take a wild guess as to what Kevin Cramer's and Marsha Blackburn's vote was? Shouldn't take that long to guess.....yes, it's an obvious "no".
How did the most "loyal Republican Senators to Putin" vote? Burr, Cruz, Johnson, and Romney voted against America and Ukraine to vote for Putin. How can any American sell out and support a murderous dictator over their own country?
In the latest polling, 80% of Americans hate Putin. So, why would 80% of Americans who hate a murderous dictator vote for the Republican party who are "partners" and voted against Ukraine military aid to help Putin the murderous dictator over America?
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Russian State Television discusses which Republican Senators are "most loyal to Putin"
Full List of 31 Republicans Who Voted Against Military Aid for Ukraine
Kevin Cramer of North Dakota
Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee
Richard Burr of North Carolina
Ted Cruz of Texas
Ron Johnson of Wisconsin
Mitt Romney of Utah
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-31-republicans-voted-against-military-aid-ukraine-1687052
GOP senator Kevin Cramer echoes Trump and says 'war criminal' Putin should release 'dirt' on Biden
https://www.rawstory.com/kevin-cramer/
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This is a complete lie and mischaracterization of what Trump said. Trump never asked anyone to "invent dirt" on Hunter Biden. That is not only a lie but idiotic. Would someone give an interview on TV suggesting that they are asking Russia to "invent" a story? Trump simply asked about the well documented payment for $3.5 million dollars from Moscow to a firm that Hunter worked for. To suggest that Trump asked Russia to "fabricate" or "invent" harmful information is a complete mischaracterization of the event which anyone can confirm by watching the interview. Who actually asked for dirt from Russia on a political opponent and used Russian disinformation? Hillary Clinton!
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Criminal Donald told President Zelenskyy to "invent dirt" about the Biden's to damage them politically or he wouldn't give them their military aid to fight Putin in their war. Donnie was impeached for that. And you say Criminal Donald "never asked anyone to "invent dirt" on Biden?
Nice try.
Sorry, it's not a lie. Criminal Donald is a pathological liar and uses people to lie for him. He lied about Covid-19 and he just lied about not knowing what a "burner phone" is. John Bolton said Donnie spoke about "burner phones" infront of him. And in his lawsuit against his niece Mary Trump, he wrote about "burner phones" at least 4 times. So, he knows what they are but just lied about not knowing what they are.
Criminal Donald was impeached the first time for extorting Ukraine. Donnie withheld crucial Ukraine military aid until Zelenskyy made up a fake story to destroy Biden politically. Zelenskyy refused and Donnie was impeached. So, how is it a lie and mischaracterization of what Trump said? He was asking for a "favor" when no evidence of wrongdoing on Hunter Biden existed. Now Donnie is doing the same thing crying out to his puppet master Putin for more "help".
This fake Hunter Biden story is a joke and is nothing but Russian disinformation.
Ukraine cleared Biden of any wrongdoing. Over 50 former intel officials said the take story is Russain disinformation. And Trump's own henchman convicted criminal Les Parnas who was colluding with Rudy Giuliani to damage Biden said it's all a smear.
Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-ukraine-idUSKBN23B2RB
Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say
More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276
Giuliani henchman Lev Parnas says Hunter Biden was 'set up' with seat on Burisma board
Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas made stunning accusations on Twitter on Saturday about efforts to create kompromat on Joe Biden's son Hunter.
On Saturday, independent journalist Scott Stedman wrote, "I'll explore this more fully eventually but I think the balance of evidence points to the notion that Hunter Biden's job on the Burisma board was a setup."
From his verified Twitter account, Parnas says Stedman's report was true, using the hashtag #LevRemembers.
Stedman then explained further.
"It remains true that there were meetings with Rudy in early 2019 discussing the Russians having Hunter Biden’s emails, months before the same material ended up on the Hunter Biden laptop in that Delaware repair shop," he wrote in a thread. "It doesn’t take a PhD to ascertain what went on here. Parnas was later arrested and then the emails magically showed up at a blind computer repairman’s shop."
Parnas again confirmed what Stedman had written.
Yes @ScottMStedman, I can confirm this. #LevRememebers
https://www.rawstory.com/lev-parnas-hunter-biden-laptop/
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I can see why you hesitated to answer my three questions.
Maybe the laptop was not turned in by Hunter. Maybe it was not turned in by a Hunter look alike. Maybe the computer store and the proprietor were not chosen by random.
Certainly, the Russians and maybe some Trump supporter would be capable of faking this evidence. Is it really unbelievable that Trump may have asked the Russians for some assistance in this matter? Is that really the sort of thing Trump would never do?
You are totally dodging the question. It’s like saying:
The two situations are totally different because Roosevelt was President while Trump is an ex-President.
The two situations are totally different because Roosevelt used a wheelchair while Trump does not.
The two situations are totally different because Roosevelt did not play golf while Trump does.
It is bad for a President, and ex-President or any American to call upon an enemy of America for political assistance.
In 1940, America was not at war with Nazi Germany but Nazi Germany was America’s enemy because it was attacking democratic countries. Similarly, in 2022, Russia is America’s enemy. Both Hitler (was) and Putin (is) enemies of America. No one should be appealing to Putin for political help.
A convincing case against Hunter Biden has not been made while Joseph Biden is President. Nor was one made while Trump was President. And any case based on information provided by Russia would be highly unconvincing.
And so, your answer seems to be, yes, pleading with Russia to create/release information against political opponents should be the new normal for American politicians. Provided it is “necessary”. So, it would have been acceptable for Roosevelt, in 1940, to appeal to Hitler to provided evidence of illicit business dealings with Germany, by businessman and Republican candidate for President Wendell Willkie. Provided this was necessary. That is, Roosevelt could not get the Justice Department to make such a case. And so, it is also acceptable for Trump to do this with Putin.
You have dodged the question. I didn’t ask “What does Putin think”. I asked “What does Trump think”. And the answer is clear. Trump believes that Putin is likely to help Trump defeat Biden in 2024, or maybe sooner. He wouldn’t be asking for this help if he thought Putin prefers facing Biden over Trump.
And I guess you would claim that Hoover was a stronger President than Roosevelt because no dictator took control and attacked democratic countries under Hoover’s watch, but it happened multiple times under Roosevelt’s.
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If you think that the Russians found a Hunter look alike (Oswald double anyone?) and the guy who ran the computer store is a Russian asset etc. then you are in tin foil hat territory. Even the radical leftist media has given up on that baseless fantasy. Whether the Russians are "capable" of such a feat doesn't move the ball. The Wash Post, NY Times and even CNN have confirmed that the emails are legit. They just check them with the recipients and confirm that they were sent by Hunter. You dont' have 22,000 emails to numerous different recipients that all check out and have a fake laptop. LOL. You don't have to accept my opinion, though. From all indications the indictments are coming soon.
The situations are different from your analogy as Trump is not the sitting president and there is no confirmation that Trump will ever run for office again or that his opponent will be Old Joe. But, as a I said, there is nothing impermissible with Trump asking the Russians to provide any legitimate information that they have. It is perfectly legal and Trump did this publicly. Where is the moral outrage that the son of the VP and now President enriched himself peddling his father's influence and that a foreign government could (and perhaps has) used that to blackmail the sitting President? Why haven't the DOJ and FBI done their job for decades to resolve the wide spread corruption in the Biden family that has been well know for years? His son, brother, and even his wife are all on the take. Why did the media and social media shutdown this topic during the election cycle as a "conspiracy theory" only now to acknowledge it was legitimate. Who cares what Trump/Putin thinks if the results avoid a war? That's silly. Some people apparently prefer war to an acknowledgement that Trump was a far superior president than Biden. Not that this is saying much as Biden is one of the five worst presidents in history and he still has a couple years to go.
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I'm sure Rick was about to post this information given his exhaustive effort to protect American democracy from Russian disinformation.
Federal campaign watchdog fines DNC, Clinton campaign over dossier spending disclosure
The Federal Election Commission has agreed to a fine of over $100,000 against the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign over an investigation into alleged misreporting of spending related to the now-infamous Steele dossier.
The FEC fined both organizations after a pair of now years-old complaints — one from the Campaign Legal Center and another from the conservative Coolidge Reagan Foundation — alleged that the party and campaign reported payments to the powerhouse Democratic law firm Perkins Coie as legal expenses, when in actuality some of the money was earmarked for “paying Fusion GPS through Perkins Coie to conduct opposition research on Donald Trump.”
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If you think that the Russians found a Hunter look alike (Oswald double anyone?) and the guy who ran the computer store is a Russian asset etc. then you are in tin foil hat territory. Even the radical leftist media has given up on that baseless fantasy. Whether the Russians are "capable" of such a feat doesn't move the ball. The Wash Post, NY Times and even CNN have confirmed that the emails are legit. They just check them with the recipients and confirm that they were sent by Hunter. You dont' have 22,000 emails to numerous different recipients that all check out and have a fake laptop. LOL. You don't have to accept my opinion, though. From all indications the indictments are coming soon.
The situations are different from your analogy as Trump is not the sitting president and there is no confirmation that Trump will ever run for office again or that his opponent will be Old Joe. But, as a I said, there is nothing impermissible with Trump asking the Russians to provide any legitimate information that they have. It is perfectly legal and Trump did this publicly. Where is the moral outrage that the son of the VP and now President enriched himself peddling his father's influence and that a foreign government could (and perhaps has) used that to blackmail the sitting President? Why haven't the DOJ and FBI done their job for decades to resolve the wide spread corruption in the Biden family that has been well know for years? His son, brother, and even his wife are all on the take. Why did the media and social media shutdown this topic during the election cycle as a "conspiracy theory" only now to acknowledge it was legitimate. Who cares what Trump/Putin thinks if the results avoid a war? That's silly. Some people apparently prefer war to an acknowledgement that Trump was a far superior president than Biden. Not that this is saying much as Biden is one of the five worst presidents in history and he still has a couple years to go.
Wow. You make it sound like an overwhelming case. I just have one question. Is it impossible that these are real emails, but not sent from Hunter Biden, but by someone else? Pretending to be Hunter Biden, perhaps using Hunter Biden’s real laptop?
But let’s say, for the moment, this is a legitimate case. Despite Donald Trump secretly seeking help from Ukraine in 2019, openly doing so with Russia in 2022. Perhaps secretly seeking help from Russia before 2019. In the midst of these efforts, a laptop is conveniently discovered belonging to Hunter Biden with all sorts of evidence on it. I am still surprised that finding someone’s laptop would launch a Federal Investigation.
Question 1: Can you think of another case, that the finding of someone’s laptop, who at the time the government had no interest in investigation, launched a through investigation into that laptop? Any case at all?
Question 2: Had a son of Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr. or Eric Trump, left a laptop to be repaired at a computer store, would the Trump administration have launched the same sort of investigation into that laptop? Or would any such investigation be quickly squashed, or even never get off the ground?
If I was sitting on a jury, I would want these questions addressed and answered to my satisfaction. Otherwise, I will return a verdict of Not Guilty. You see, I don’t want there to be one standard of justice for the sons of the sitting President. And a different standard for the son of a possible opposition candidate. I think that finding a jury that would convict Hunter Biden is going to be difficult, just as, as I have always said, finding a jury of twelve to all convict Donald Trump. I don’t see it happening.
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Wow. You make it sound like an overwhelming case. I just have one question. Is it impossible that these are real emails, but not sent from Hunter Biden, but by someone else? Pretending to be Hunter Biden, perhaps using Hunter Biden’s real laptop?
But let’s say, for the moment, this is a legitimate case. Despite Donald Trump secretly seeking help from Ukraine in 2019, openly doing so with Russia in 2022. Perhaps secretly seeking help from Russia before 2019. In the midst of these efforts, a laptop is conveniently discovered belonging to Hunter Biden with all sorts of evidence on it. I am still surprised that finding someone’s laptop would launch a Federal Investigation.
Question 1: Can you think of another case, that the finding of someone’s laptop, who at the time the government had no interest in investigation, launched a through investigation into that laptop? Any case at all?
Question 2: Had a son of Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr. or Eric Trump, left a laptop to be repaired at a computer store, would the Trump administration have launched the same sort of investigation into that laptop? Or would any such investigation be quickly squashed, or even never get off the ground?
If I was sitting on a jury, I would want these questions addressed and answered to my satisfaction. Otherwise, I will return a verdict of Not Guilty. You see, I don’t want there to be one standard of justice for the sons of the sitting President. And a different standard for the son of a possible opposition candidate. I think that finding a jury that would convict Hunter Biden is going to be difficult, just as, as I have always said, finding a jury of twelve to all convict Donald Trump. I don’t see it happening.
I still can't understand why any of this is about Trump other than he was right all along. The son of the current President and former VP sold influence and access for millions of dollars dating back for decades. That is not only a crime but creates a national security risk. A real one and not the fake type that Dems tried to hang on Trump for nearly his entire administration with the fake Russian collusion hoax. Everyone has now conceded the legitimacy of the laptop. The Wash Post, NY Times, and CNN etc. You don't think the FBI and DOJ have the technical capability to determine if an email is sent from a certain computer to another? And then check with the recipient who can not only confirm receipt of the email but that it came from Hunter in relation to some transaction? The only question now is when the indictments will come down. Plenty of people have been prosecuted for the information contained on their computer. I'm not sure why that is something you think has never happened before.
What should be concerning about all this:
1) the current President is compromised with foreign governments as a result of his families' criminal conduct (and not just Hunter);
2) the US media including social media not only buried this story for political reasons but actually attempted to suppress it by censoring anyone who posted about it. An outrageous 1984 type activity. Everyone should be concerned about the ability of social media companies to determine what is truth and what is not.