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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Jerry Freeman on March 09, 2022, 09:32:39 PM
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"Kill the president will you?"
Johnny Brewer testified that this is what some cop yelled at Oswald as they were beating the crap out of him.
This is paramount to stating that the patsy is at the theater...go get him.
Because as far as the information would have it...the police were after a cop shooter.
The belief that a guy who sneaked into a movie must be the cop shooter and therefore be the president shooter is just such a complete stretch that even the Warren Commission swept the statement under the rug and claimed ultimately that that it was never made.
"Kill the president will you?"
I guess somehow he must have known that it was Oswald's rifle.
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"Kill the president will you?"
Johnny Brewer testified that this is what some cop yelled at Oswald as they were beating the crap out of him.
This is paramount to stating that the patsy is at the theater...go get him.
Because as far as the information would have it...the police were after a cop shooter.
The belief that a guy who sneaked into a movie must be the cop shooter and therefore be the president shooter is just such a complete stretch that even the Warren Commission swept the statement under the rug and claimed ultimately that that it was never made.
"Kill the president will you?"
I guess somehow he must have known that it was Oswald's rifle.
Weak sauce. Due to the proximity in time and distance to the assassination, there was a reasonable basis to suspect that the person who had shot Tippit was the same person who assassinated JFK. In fact, reporters such as Hugh Aynesworth left the TSBD when they heard the news of a police officer being shot in Oak Cliff believing it was done by same person who had killed JFK. It would not have taken Sherlock Holmes to reach that conclusion. No DPD officer had been killed for years before Tippit. Unlike today, the murder of a police officer was an extremely rare event. The odds of a police officer being murdered less than an hour after the assassination just a couple miles away, and the events not being related would have been very low.
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Weak sauce. Due to the proximity in time and distance to the assassination, there was a reasonable basis to suspect that the person who had shot Tippit was the same person who assassinated JFK. In fact, reporters such as Hugh Aynesworth left the TSBD when they heard the news of a police officer being shot in Oak Cliff believing it was done by same person who had killed JFK. It would not have taken Sherlock Holmes to reach that conclusion. No DPD officer had been killed for years before Tippit. Unlike today, the murder of a police officer was an extremely rare event. The odds of a police officer being murdered less than an hour after the assassination just a couple miles away, and the events not being related would have been very low.
Watery.
Why not yell - "shoot a cop will you?" Besides, none of the other police interviewed about this ever acknowledged that they heard a statement made about the president. But you get sucked in huh?
Elementary Watson.
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Watery.
Why not yell - "shoot a cop will you?" Besides, none of the other police interviewed about this ever acknowledged that they heard a statement made about the president. But you get sucked in huh?
Elementary Watson.
I can't translate this into any coherent point. You seemed to be suggesting in your OP that the police had no cause to suspect that Oswald was the assassin when they arrested him at the TT. And shouting "kill the president will you" somehow proved a conspiracy. That is nonsense for the reasons noted, but are you now changing that fantasy narrative and suggesting that the DPD didn't even say this? Couldn't someone be angry at Oswald for killing the President even though they also knew he had killed a cop?
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I can't translate this into any coherent point.
Then stop drinking and taking those drugs.
Brewer testimony... Mr. BREWER - And somebody hollered "He's got a gun."
And there were a couple of officers fighting him and taking the gun away from him, and they took the gun from him, and he was fighting, still fighting, and I heard some of the police holier, I don't know who it was, "Kill the President, will you." And I saw fists flying and they were hitting him.
No one else made such a claim. No cop..no other patron just only Brewer--- Get it?
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Then stop drinking and taking those drugs.
Brewer testimony... No one else made such a claim. No cop..no other patron just only Brewer--- Get it?
No.
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Mr. BELIN - When you looked up, did you step out of the store at all?
Mr. BREWER - No; I was still in the store behind the counter, and I looked up and saw the man enter the lobby.
Mr. BELIN - When you say the lobby of your store, first let me ask you to describe how is.... how wide is your store, approximately?
Mr. BREWER - About 20 feet...
Mr. BELIN - All right, you saw a man going into what you referred to as this lobby area?
Mr. BREWER - Yes; and he stood there with his back to the street.
Mr. BELIN - When did he go in now? What did you hear at the time that he stepped into this lobby area?
Mr. BREWER - I heard the police cars coming up Jefferson, and he stepped in, and the police made a U-turn and went back down East Jefferson.
Mr. BELIN - Where did he make the U-turn?
Mr. BREWER - At Zangs.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember the sirens going away?
Mr. BREWER - Yes; the sirens were going away. I presume back to where the officer had been shot, because it was back down that way. And when they turned and left, Oswald looked over his shoulder and turned around and walked up West Jefferson towards the theatre.
Mr. BELIN - Let me hold you a minute. You used the word Oswald. Did you know who the man was at the time you saw him?
Mr. BREWER - No.
Mr. BELIN - So at the time, you didn't know what his name was?
Mr. BREWER - No.
Mr. BELIN - Will you describe the man you saw?
Mr. BREWER - He was a little man, about 5'9", and weighed about 150 pounds is all...
Mr. BELIN - All right. After you saw him in the lobby of your store there, what you call a lobby area, which is really kind of an extension of the sidewalk, then you saw him leave?
Mr. BREWER - He turned and walked out of the lobby and went up West Jefferson toward the theatre, and I walked out the front and watched him, and he went into the theatre.
Mr. BELIN - What theatre is that?
Mr. BREWER - Texas Theatre....
Mr. BELIN - Well, would you state then what happened? You said that you saw him walk into the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BREWER - He walked into the Texas Theatre and I walked up to the theatre, to the box office and asked Mrs. Postal if she sold a ticket to a man who was wearing a brown shirt, and she said no, she hadn't. She was listening to the radio herself. And I said that a man walked in there, and I was going to go inside and ask the usher if he had seen him.
So I walked in and Butch Burroughs...
Mr. BELIN - Who was Burroughs?
Mr. BREWER - He was behind the counter. He operated the concession and takes tickets. He was behind the concession stand and I asked him if he had seen a man in a brown shirt of that description, matching that description, and he said he had been working behind the counter and hadn't seen anybody. And I asked him if he would come with me and show me where the exits were and we would check the exits. And he asked me why. I told him that I thought the guy looked suspicious.
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Then stop drinking and taking those drugs.
Brewer testimony... No one else made such a claim. No cop..no other patron just only Brewer--- Get it?
No.
I guess that was either ..no.... you don't get it---
Or...no...you won't stop drinking and taking drugs.
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Thats totally your opinion but there is really nothing to base that on.
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Maybe try expressing a complete thought instead of a fragment. Are you saying it is merely my "opinion" that there would be a reasonable basis to suspect that the person who shot Tippit was the same person who had assassinated JFK? It is well documented that folks like Hugh Aynesworth concluded that these were related incidents when they first heard the news of a police shooting. A reasonable conclusion based on the circumstances. The incidents were in close proximity in place and time. No DPD officers had been killed in years prior to Tippit's murder. The odds of such a thing happening less than an hour later and being unrelated to the assassination were very low. These are all documented facts and not opinions. Members of the public certainly knew Oswald was a suspect in the assassination:
Mrs. POSTAL. That is when I really started shaking. I had never seen a live mob scene, that----
Mr. BALL. Well----
Mrs. POSTAL. They said, "What is going on?" And someone said, "Suspect," and they started in this way, just about that time I got out to the box office, back to the box office, and they stared screaming profuse language and----"Kill the so-and-so," and trying to get to him, and this and that and the officers were trying to hold on to Oswald----when I say, "Oswald," that man, because as I said, I didn't know who he was at that time and they was trying to hold him, because he was putting up a struggle, and then trying to keep the public off, and on the way to the car, parked right out front, one of the officers was----at that time I thought he was putting his hat on the man's face to try to keep the public from grabbing him by the hair, but I later read in the paper it was to cover his face and then he got him in the ear, and all bedlam, so far as the public, broke.
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Common sense
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billchapman
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It is well documented that folks like Hugh Aynesworth concluded that these were related incidents when they first heard the news of a police shooting.
If that is so well documented...post these well documented statements--produced that day [not 3 weeks or so later]
It was also documented [that day] that some Oak Cliff gas station attendant called DPD around 1:30 [just before it was announced that JFK had expired]...and reported a couple of guys in a green station wagon [I believe] with a rifle in the back seat. They gassed up and drove off like crazy he mentioned.
This was reported over the police radio-- but no... this guy that was 'funny looking' and 'suspicious' brought the entire police department practically down to the theater in 5-10 minutes time.
Funny and suspicious to me was that there was not very much police radio chatter concerning the events at the theater but shotgun patrolmen and plain clothes guys sure arrived en force for a suspected sneak in.
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If that is so well documented...post these well documented statements--produced that day [not 3 weeks or so later]
It was also documented [that day] that some Oak Cliff gas station attendant called DPD around 1:30 [just before it was announced that JFK had expired]...and reported a couple of guys in a green station wagon [I believe] with a rifle in the back seat. They gassed up and drove off like crazy he mentioned.
This was reported over the police radio-- but no... this guy that was 'funny looking' and 'suspicious' brought the entire police department practically down to the theater in 5-10 minutes time.
Funny and suspicious to me was that there was not very much police radio chatter concerning the events at the theater but shotgun patrolmen and plain clothes guys sure arrived en force for a suspected sneak in.
I did. There was a mob of citizens clamoring for Oswald's blood when they brought him out of the TT because they believed he was the assassin. Hugh Aynesworth left the TSBD when he heard the reports of a police officer shot in Oak Cliff because he suspected the two events were related. Do you really think it took Sherlock Holmes to conclude that the assassination of the President and the murder of a police officer just a couple miles away and less than an hour later were related? Particularly in 1963 when a DPD officer had not been murdered for years before that day. You believe it is "suspicious" that police descended on the TT when they received a report that a man was acting strangely and had entered the theatre without buying a ticket? Maybe on a normal day, but not on 11.22 when there had been a murder of a police officer just a short distance away (and that same person might be the assassin of the president). The police approached a man seen running into the library in a similar manner. Any person reported as acting oddly in the vicinity of a murder when the suspect is on the loose is a person who the police must approach as a potential suspect. If there was ever a day to do that, it was 11.22.63.
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Do you really think it took Sherlock Holmes to conclude that the assassination of the President and the murder of a police officer just a couple miles away and less than an hour later were related?
Related how?
That was for the police to determine by apprehending the suspect in the Tippit murder. For the reasons already noted, it was reasonable to assume the two events were related and that suspect in the Tippit shooting was likely the same person to have assassinated the president. Once that person was taken into custody an investigation would be conducted to confirm that fact - which it did.
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billchapman
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your timeline is false.
Another incomplete thought. "Your timeline is false because... and this matters because..."
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The Warren Commission couldn't make it stick so what investigation are you talking about?
I'm not sure what you are babbling about here. We are discussing the situation at the time Oswald was arrested (i.e. did the arresting officers have cause to suspect that the person who had killed Tippit was the same person who "killed the President") There was an obvious investigation going on at that moment into the death of JFK and Tippit. The WC had not even been formed.
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There was an obvious investigation going on at that moment into the death of JFK and Tippit.
An 'investigation'? ::) Ladies and gentlemen...A person there with the lone gunman theory firmly super glued to his rear. I'm not sure what you are babbling about here.
I believe you have overused that remark enough. If you refuse to face a question intelligently...then you insult someone.
Do some digging on your own don't expect us to do your work for you.
The only digging revealed there would be from his backside :o
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If you are too scared to even articulate the point that you are trying to make, at least don't be childish. You seem to have plenty of time clutter this forum with a lot of nonsense but suddenly you can't.
Says the guy who is constantly too scared and/or unable to even answer a single question, never makes any coherent point and can't get beyond parroting the official narrative, describing everything he doesn't like or can't deal with as "going down the rabbit hole".
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I'm not sure what you are babbling about here. We are discussing the situation at the time Oswald was arrested (i.e. did the arresting officers have cause to suspect that the person who had killed Tippit was the same person who "killed the President") There was an obvious investigation going on at that moment into the death of JFK and Tippit. The WC had not even been formed.
A quote from the testimony of C.T. Walker, one of the officers who arrested Oswald;
Mr. BELIN. At that time, did anyone connect him with the assassination of the President?
Mr. WALKER. Not unless the crowd had assumed that is who we were after, I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. When you were after him, you were after him for what?
Mr. WALKER. For the killing of Officer Tippit.
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As claimed in his response....Mr Smith LOL does not hate Oswald or anyone in particular. He is an LOL instigator LOL and seemingly resents the skepticism in outspoken views concerning the official conclusions LOL.
LOL.
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I did.
You did what? There was a mob of citizens clamoring for Oswald's blood when they brought him out of the TT because they believed he was the assassin.
Why? Because the cops had announced it? We only have Johnny Brewer's statement about that. So how did/could this ostensible mob have possibly thought that? Hugh Aynesworth left the TSBD...
There is an entire thread devoted to Mr Everywhere Hugh.
Mrs. POSTAL. They said, "What is going on?" And someone said, "Suspect," ...
Mr. BALL. Now, was it after Oswald, the man brought out on----out of the theatre was taken away in the car that the officer called and said, "I'm sure we have got our man---- "?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; that officer came out of the theatre and grabbed at the phone and made the call about simultaneously as they were bringing Oswald out.
Mr. BALL. And that was when you heard that Officer Tippit had been shot?
Who was that someone that hollered "Suspect"and did Johnny Brewer instigate that rumor?
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You did what? Why? Because the cops had announced it? We only have Johnny Brewer's statement about that. So how did/could this ostensible mob have possibly thought that? There is an entire thread devoted to Mr Everywhere Hugh.
Who was that someone that hollered "Suspect"and did Johnny Brewer instigate that rumor?
You are all over the place. Disputing that anyone said or had a basis to conclude that the TT suspect was the assassin of JFK but then dismissing an entire mob clamoring for his blood for that very reason because the "cops had announced it." Wow. How could the crowd have thought this? Are you for real? JFK has been assassinated only a couple miles away. Cops were swarming the place. What else would they think? Good grief. And you don't want to talk about Hugh Aynesworth for some reason. Wonder why? He states that when he learned that a police officer had been shot in Oak Cliff that he suspected it was related and left the TSBD to head there for that reason. The close timing and proximity of the two crimes meant they were almost certainly related. No DPD officer had been killed in the line of duty for years before Tippit. It didn't take Nostradamus to conclude these events were likely related.
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You are all over the place. Disputing that anyone said or had a basis to conclude that the TT suspect was the assassin of JFK but then dismissing an entire mob clamoring for his blood for that very reason because the "cops had announced it." Wow. How could the crowd have thought this? Are you for real? JFK has been assassinated only a couple miles away. Cops were swarming the place. What else would they think? Good grief. And you don't want to talk about Hugh Aynesworth for some reason. Wonder why? He states that when he learned that a police officer had been shot in Oak Cliff that he suspected it was related and left the TSBD to head there for that reason. The close timing and proximity of the two crimes meant they were almost certainly related. No DPD officer had been killed in the line of duty for years before Tippit. It didn't take Nostradamus to conclude these events were likely related.
You are all over the place. Are you for real? Good grief.
Why can't you lay off the Ad Hominem crap? I disputed nothing...I question everything.
After running out of the boarding house and shooting Officer Tippit in front of at least a dozen other people, Oswald was officially on the lam. He ducked in and out of storefronts along Jefferson Boulevard before darting into the Texas Theatre without paying for a movie ticket.
Across the street, however, a shoe salesman had been watching the news coverage and noticed Oswald enter the theatre. Soon after, officers surrounded Oswald, and brought him into the station for the murder of Officer Tippit.
https://www.exp1.com/blog/10-stops-on-the-jfk-conspiracy-theorists-tour-of-dallas/
Only one person actually ever stated that they saw the assailant shoot Tippit....and Mrs Markham provided a hazy ID--
"#2 was the one I picked"
The shoe salesman was not across the street and he was not watching news coverage and did not see anyone enter the theater.
A crowd of nearly two hundred had gathered in front of the building, the **rumor circulating that the President's assassin might have been caught. As the police exited, the crowd surged forward, screaming obscenities and crying, "Let us have him. We'll kill him! We want him!" The young man smirked and hollered back, "I protest this police brutality!" Several police formed a wedge and cut through the mob to an unmarked car.
https://www.businessinsider.com/jfk-assassination-files-how-lee-harvey-oswald-was-caught-2017-10
A Texas Historical Commission marker placed outside the Jefferson Boulevard theater in 2013 said that Oswald "was apprehended inside the auditorium for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, propelling the Texas Theatre into the international spotlight."
Unfortunately, that's not quite right.
Oswald was arrested for shooting Dallas Police officer J.D. Tippit a few blocks away, and was only charged with killing Kennedy early the next morning.
Where did a "crowd of hundreds" come from?
**rumor circulating that the President's assassin might have been caught.
A rumor.
The announcement that the president had expired came only 10 minutes before Oswald was arrested.
From the crowd [regardless of number] who was ever interviewed?
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Above is a picture of the cops throwing Oswald into a cruiser. I don't see any lynch mob. There are quite a few ladies and girls. A few guys are looking on. But "hundreds"?
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Why can't you lay off the Ad Hominem crap? I disputed nothing...I question everything. https://www.exp1.com/blog/10-stops-on-the-jfk-conspiracy-theorists-tour-of-dallas/
Only one person actually ever stated that they saw the assailant shoot Tippit....and Mrs Markham provided a hazy ID--
"#2 was the one I picked"
The shoe salesman was not across the street and he was not watching news coverage and did not see anyone enter the theater.https://www.businessinsider.com/jfk-assassination-files-how-lee-harvey-oswald-was-caught-2017-10
Where did a "crowd of hundreds" come from? The announcement that the president had expired came only 10 minutes before Oswald was arrested.
From the crowd [regardless of number] who was ever interviewed?
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Above is a picture of the cops throwing Oswald into a cruiser. I don't see any lynch mob. There are quite a few ladies and girls. A few guys are looking on. But "hundreds"?
You need to focus. Most of those quotes you are citing as though they came from me are not from me.
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You need to focus. Most of those quotes you are citing as though they came from me are not from me.
You focus.
The quotes you question are followed beneath them with the links they came from.
Duh (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif)
I believe what?
Now that's a good question.
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You focus.
The quotes you question are followed beneath them with the links they came from.
Duh (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif)
Now that's a good question.
So you quote my post showing my name as the person making that statement in quotes but then add several other quotes in your post that are not mine but don't specify who made them making it appear as though all those statements are from me. Wow. Why put them in quotes instead of adding as part of your own response? Bizarre. There was clearly a large crowd of people outside the TT who thought, based on all the police activity and the proximity to the assassination, that the assassin of the President was likely in the TT. Those people did not have to be clairvoyant to come to this reasonable conclusion based on all the police activity and proximity in time and distance to the location of the assassination.
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So you quote my post showing my name as the person making that statement in quotes but then add several other quotes in your post that are not mine but don't specify who made them making it appear as though all those statements are from me. Wow. Why put them in quotes instead of adding as part of your own response? Bizarre. There was clearly a large crowd of people outside the TT who thought, based on all the police activity and the proximity to the assassination, that the assassin of the President was likely in the TT. Those people did not have to be clairvoyant to come to this reasonable conclusion based on all the police activity and proximity in time and distance to the location of the assassination.
There was clearly a large crowd of people outside the TT who thought, based on all the police activity and the proximity to the assassination, that the assassin of the President was likely in the TT.
Really, they couldn't just be curious what was going on?
Those people did not have to be clairvoyant to come to this reasonable conclusion based on all the police activity and proximity in time and distance to the location of the assassination.
Provided they knew about the assassination by then.... I don't see many people walking down a street full of shops with a radio, but perhaps that's normal where you live.
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There was clearly a large crowd of people outside the TT who thought, based on all the police activity and the proximity to the assassination, that the assassin of the President was likely in the TT.
Really, they couldn't just be curious what was going on?
Those people did not have to be clairvoyant to come to this reasonable conclusion based on all the police activity and proximity in time and distance to the location of the assassination.
Provided they knew about the assassination by then.... I don't see many people walking down a street full of shops with a radio, but perhaps that's normal where you live.
I'm sure they were curious. Obviously, they couldn't know with certainty that the suspect was in the TT, but it would be a reasonable conclusion based on the circumstances including the proximity in time and distance to the assassination. According to Postal this crowd was yelling for Oswald's blood when they brought him out. Sounds like they suspected him of something more than entering the theatre without buying a ticket. You are really suggesting that by nearly 2PM that many folks in Dallas didn't know about the assassination of the President in their city? HA HA HA. Good luck with that. Comedy gold.
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So you quote my post ...
Come to think of it...your posts are really not worth quoting anyway.
Below is the 1st page report of some Forgery Dept Lt. Note that there is no mention of the cop being shot.
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Who was this phantom manager that told the cops the suspect was in the balcony?
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Page 1 of Julia Postal's affidavit-----
(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338023/m1/1/med_res/)
"As the police went by, a man ducked into the theater. My boss Mr John A Callahan went outside got in his car and left to see where the police were going."
I assume that her boss was indeed the manager of the theater.
I have always wondered why she stated that the boss went outside? She was outside so the boss would have come outside right?
If she saw a guy ducking inside... why would the manager not have seen this guy too? OK.. Perhaps he came out a different door or he saw this guy but assumed that he had bought a ticket. Because Callahan was never questioned officially and presumably was never heard from again that day we'll just never know.
How did Postal know that he was taking his car to go follow the cops? He must have told her, otherwise he could have just been going to lunch for all she knew. So why didn't she mention this guy who just ducked in?
Callahan would have be the prime authority to investigate a sneak in to his own movie house...not some shoe salesman next door.
Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket. I asked him what man? He said [the] man that just ducked in...
DUH ::)
I guess all of this sounds plausible to those who want to believe it
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Page 1 of Julia Postal's affidavit-----
(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338023/m1/1/med_res/)
I assume that her boss was indeed the manager of the theater.
I have always wondered why she stated that the boss went outside? She was outside so the boss would have come outside right?
If she saw a guy ducking inside... why would the manager not have seen this guy too? OK.. Perhaps he came out a different door or he saw this guy but assumed that he had bought a ticket. Because Callahan was never questioned officially and presumably was never heard from again that day we'll just never know.
How did Postal know that he was taking his car to go follow the cops? He must have told her, otherwise he could have just been going to lunch for all she knew. So why didn't she mention this guy who just ducked in?
Callahan would have be the prime authority to investigate a sneak in to his own movie house...not some shoe salesman next door.DUH ::)
I guess all of this sounds plausible to those who want to believe it
Is there a point to this rambling nonsense? For example, are you suggesting that Postal was '"in" on the plot? It's difficult to understand what your are trying to demonstrate.
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It's difficult to understand what your are trying to demonstrate.
Then quit. Cease the effort. If something is so vexing or arduous then simply dismiss the strain. It doesn't matter anyway does it? What ever happened to that theater manager? Inconsequential right?
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Then quit. Cease the effort. If something is so vexing or arduous then simply dismiss the strain. It doesn't matter anyway does it? What ever happened to that theater manager? Inconsequential right?
Or maybe you could just explain whatever point you are trying to make. This is a discussion forum. Why not have a discussion instead of posting a document and making a lot of vague assertations? Are you suggesting Postal was part of some plot to frame Oswald or not? If not, why nitpick her testimony? It seems apparent that Oswald entered the TT, since he was arrested therein. It seems apparent that he didn't buy a ticket etc. Why subject Postal's testimony to scrutiny on these kinds of points?
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Are you suggesting Postal was part of some plot to frame Oswald...?
No...If you read it right I have always proposed that certain Dallas Police were.
Not all of them were in on it to be clear.
Only two Texas Theater witnesses together with Brewer were ever interviewed.
This is from lone assassin sacred scripture---
At 1:46 P.M., after an abortive raid on a public library, a police dispatcher announced: “Have information a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.” Within minutes, more than six squad cars sealed the theater’s front and rear exits. Police armed with shotguns spread into the balcony and the main floor as the lights were turned up. Only a dozen moviegoers were scattered inside the small theater.
https://earlybirdbooks.com/the-assassination-of-jfk-case-closed-gerald-posner-excerpt
Testimony states that Brewer and Burroughs went in and searched the theater twice and did not see the suspect ...out of a dozen customers? However, when the police showed up, Brewer was able to point Oswald out straight away.
Cops came with shotguns in hand it was reported yet this was not mentioned in Postal/Burroughs/Brewer testimony.
On the other hand...Officer McDonald reveals---Mr. BALL - What did you do?
Mr. McDONALD - Well, when I got to the front of the theater there was several police cars already at the scene, and I surmised that officers were already inside the theater.
So I decided to go to the rear, in the alley, and seal off the rear. I parked my squad car. I noticed there were three or four other officers standing outside with shotguns guarding the rear exits. There were three other officers at the rear door. I joined them. We walked into the rear exit door over the alley.
Mr. BALL - What were their names?
Mr. McDONALD - Officer Hawkins, T. A. Hutson, and C. T. Walker. And as we got inside the door, we were met by a man that was in civilian clothes, a suit, and he told us that the man that acted suspiciously as he ran into the theater was sitting downstairs in the orchestra seats, and not in the balcony. He was sitting at the rear of the theater alone.
If Oswald was sitting alone, why couldn't Brewer find him earlier?
Gerald Posner pinpoints the time 1:46 PM CST as the end of a library search and a call to the theater.
Four minutes later Oswald was thrown into a police car.
Rather snappy work there by an otherwise sloppy outfit.
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AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Eunice Sorrels, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared George Jefferson Applin, Jr., w/m [white male] 21, of 3423 Weisenberger Drive, Dallas, Dallas County, Texas who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:
On Friday evening, November 22, 1963 at about 1:45 p.m., I was seated on the main floor of the Texas Theater on West Jefferson in Dallas, Texas. As I watched the movie I saw an officer walking down the isle [sic] with a riot gun and about that time the light came on in the theater. One of the patrolmen walked down to the front of the theater and walked back up the isle [sic] and I got up and started walking toward the front of the theater. I saw the officer shake two men down and then asked a man sitting by himself to stand up. As the officer started to shake him down, and when he did, this boy took a swing at the officer and then the next thing I could see was this boy had his arm around the officer's left shoulder and had a pistol in his hand. I heard the pistol snap at least once. Then I saw a large group of officers subdue this boy and arrest him.
/s/ George Jefferson Applin Jr.
3423 Weisenberger Drive
Dallas 12, Texas
FE7-3491
SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22nd DAY OF November A.D. 1963
s/ Eunice Sorrels
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
Mr. BALL - Then some police officers came in there?
Then what do you remember happening?
Mr. APPLIN - I seen the officers come down the right-hand aisle.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything in his hands?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes; I believe he had a shotgun. Might have been a rifle.
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; they started wrestling and scuffling with him.
Mr. BALL - How many of them?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, there was about five officers, I believe.
Mr. BALL - Did you see any officers strike him?
Mr. APPLIN - I seen one strike him with a shotgun.
Mr. BALL - How did he do it?
Mr. APPLIN - He grabbed the muzzle of the gun and drawed it back and swung and hit him in the back.
Mr. BALL - With what?
Mr. APPLIN - With the butt end of the gun.
Mr. BALL - Looked like a hard blow?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; it--I guess-it was. You could--yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And he struck Oswald where?
Mr. APPLIN - In the back.
Mr. BALL - What part of the back?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, somewheres along in the middle of the back, somewheres.
Mr. BALL - With the butt end of a shotgun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/applin.htm
The time frame agrees with Gerald Posner's.
Again everything happened with a snap of a finger. In 15 minutes Brewer allegedly hears a radio report of the cop shooting [that no one can find a transcript of]...sees a 'funny/suspicious' guy cowering in front of his shoe store...observes him ducking into the theater...follows after this suspicious guy...converses with Ms Postal...who only after Mr Brewer had bravely searched twice for a guy who just might shoot him...decided to call the police. Having amazingly apparently no problem getting through to the cops Postal decides to tell them that based on her woman's intuition the suspect in the theater just might be involved in the assassination.
Squads of police arrive including downtown detective types and surround the theater bluster in and subdue Oswald.
All in 15 minutes.
Warren Burroughs said that he didn't see any shotguns but he didn't know for sure---
Early in testimony---
Mr. BALL. Were you ever in the Army?
Mr. BURROUGHS. No, sir----they tried to get me, but I couldn't pass----I passed the physical part, but the mental part----I didn't make enough points on the score, so the board sent me a card back and classifying me different.
Later in testimony---
Mr. BALL. And were the police out at the exit doors?
Mr. BURROUGHS. They came on----somehow they came in.....
Mr. BALL. Were any of the officers in the theatre armed with shotguns?
Mr. BURROUGHS. No, sir; I don't believe so.
Mr. BALL. I think that's all, Mr. Burroughs.
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https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/applin.htm
The time frame agrees with Gerald Posner's.
Again everything happened with a snap of a finger. In 15 minutes Brewer allegedly hears a radio report of the cop shooting [that no one can find a transcript of]...sees a 'funny/suspicious' guy cowering in front of his shoe store...observes him ducking into the theater...follows after this suspicious guy...converses with Ms Postal...who only after Mr Brewer had bravely searched twice for a guy who just might shoot him...decided to call the police. Having amazingly apparently no problem getting through to the cops Postal decides to tell them that based on her woman's intuition the suspect in the theater just might be involved in the assassination.
Squads of police arrive including downtown detective types and surround the theater bluster in and subdue Oswald.
All in 15 minutes.
Warren Burroughs said that he didn't see any shotguns but he didn't know for sure---Later in testimony---
This is all very interesting but what is your conclusion? Are you accusing a shoe salesman and a woman who sold movie tickets of somehow being involved in the death of the President?
JohnM
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This is all very interesting but what is your conclusion? Are you accusing a shoe salesman and a woman who sold movie tickets of somehow being involved in the death of the President?
I don't know what you thought was interesting but you apparently did not read my earlier post when Mr Smith asked me the same thing......
...are you suggesting that Postal was '"in" on the plot?
No...If you read it right I have always proposed that certain Dallas Police were.
There was not much love for Kennedy among the staunchly arch-conservative authorities in 1963 Dallas. Who else wanted him out has been discussed throughout the forum.