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Title: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 06, 2022, 03:58:30 AM
Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!

Over at the Ed Forum, there is a few threads pushing that the Zapruder film is faked and the latest "proof" comes from Sandy Larsen, Sandy believes that because Zapruder frame 310 and frame 311 have background elements with varying focus and/or motion blur as compared to the Limo, this must mean that the film was altered. As far as I can tell Sandy believes the reason for this "anomaly" is to hide the Limo stop but a technical explanation of how this was done and the reason for this selective blurring is never explained?

As the Limo travels down Elm, Zapruder pans his camera and attempts to keep the Limo within the frame but because Zapruder just had a hand held camera, his panning was naturally erratic, so the limo within the frame drifts/jerks left and right and up and down but by examining each example of conflicting blur, we see that every motion of Zapruder's handheld camera is directly linked to the Limo and each stationary or moving background object and this provable per object independent motion blur is definitive proof of the films authenticity.

These are the two frames that Sandy presents as evidence of alteration(EDIT I replaced the Zapruder frames because Sandy used the Costello frames which with oversaturated colour and a silly distortion are not worth any serious scientific examination), and we can see the people in the background have become a blur, whereas the limo stays in focus?
As Zapruder horizontally pans to the right he is more or less matching the speed of the limo and the Limo stays in focus but in the following frames Zapruder randomly pans right and up, so as the people in the background are independently moving diagonally down towards Elm as opposed to Zapruder's camera simultaneously panning upwards creates motion blur on the background runners, these alternate opposite movements create scientifically accurate motion blur and on a frame by frame basis no less and this level of infinite precision exists within every side by side frame where this "anomaly" is present. Additionally if you look closely at these two frames it's clear that the frame with the background runners showing motion blur has the limo crisp and when the background is sharp, the Limo and it's occupants show a small amount of motion blur. This highly dynamic co-ordinated relationship between Zapruder's random camera moves and the motion blur of each and every object that he filmed is something that cannot be recreated in a lab, the harmonious motion blur seen on each and every object in the Zapruder film is it's greatest proof. Thanks Sandy!

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y9G9X2X6/Z310-Z311a.gif)

Let's see how these independent objects(camera, background people and Limo) behave in the preceding frame Z309 as compared to Z310 and here we see the angular velocity of Zapruder's camera is slightly exceeding the Limo's speed as it moves down Elm street but this time with next to zero vertical deviation as expected the people in the background who are equally moving down and to the right, stay in approximately similar focus.

(https://i.postimg.cc/mDvrKxq0/Z310-Z309a.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on March 06, 2022, 04:54:24 AM
Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
If everything was so up and up with that film...
Why was it suppressed and lied about for so many years?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 06, 2022, 06:01:20 AM
If everything was so up and up with that film...
Why was it suppressed and lied about for so many years?

Seriously? A man's head violently exploding is graphically caught on film, what do you think should have happened with the film? Would you want people to have access to film of one of your loved ones being killed?

Anyway, the film was understandably suppressed for many years and what was probably the first general public viewing was on the Geraldo Rivera TV show;


Years earlier and what was possibly the first limited public viewing was at the Shaw trial, a clueless Garrison used the Zapruder film to demonstrate a conspiracy by the "back and to the left" movement. And here we are more than half a century later, back to square one, and the latest conspiracy Kooks have simply run out of ideas and without the vaguest knowledge of celluloid film manipulation are making all sorts of unprovable claims, that ironically completely undermine what the original film erroneously suggests. -sigh-

And getting back to your suppressed comment, even though the original film wasn't initially shown publicly, we have Life magazine who one week later published many key events from the Zapruder film and to manipulate Zapruder frames outside of the printed frames where basically nothing happens makes no sense and these alterations have to conform to the harmoniously flow of the frames which we have now. In conclusion there simply wasn't enough time to do any alterations, wysiwyg.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6QnDWD1r/life-nov-29-1963-1-copy.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3RC5BPX8/life-nov-29-1963-2-copy.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qMQB0CCJ/Zap-lifeb.gif)

And don't forget the Warren report (CE885) which published over 150 consecutive Zapruder full frames from Z171 through to Z334, and includes the ghost images seen in the sprocket area.

(https://i.postimg.cc/vZbzWNQz/part-ce885.jpg)

JohnM





Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on March 06, 2022, 01:45:10 PM
Seriously? 
John Mytton seems to come on routinely as the chief cook and bottle washer around here.
Yes...seriously.
Dan Rather was among the privileged few press correspondents that were given a private showing of the film back when it was solely in the hands of the Time-Life outfit. Few know what he reported..."Upon viewing the president's head shot---JFK could be seen slumping forward." Is that what we see in that film? Maybe he saw a different copy? ???
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 06, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
If everything was so up and up with that film...
Why was it suppressed and lied about for so many years?

Z. Film hidden away for years, limo whisked away that same day to be cleaned up and repaired, the body whisked away that same day, a mafia thug kills arrested suspect before he can talk, and the “magic bullet” theory…
Very, very good reasons to conclude there was a cover-up from the top down…
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Michael Walton on March 06, 2022, 03:18:17 PM
Yes, John, I agree with you 100% on this. This is probably the only thing I agree with you on as I'm a dye-in-the-wool "conspiracist" (I hate that word but I'm too lazy to think of anything else).

The problem with this case is there are plenty of more obvious pieces of evidence to show that the case is conspiracy. This does NOT mean, though, that every single godxxxxed piece of evidence was faked or altered. The unedited, unaltered film (the one we see today) proves conspiracy, but that never seems to be enough for many of the "everything and the kitchen sink too" CTers who think that way.

It's silly and ridiculous the way these people think something was faked, and then on top of that 20 other things also needed to be faked to make the first thing fake. So yes, congratulations on getting this right.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on March 06, 2022, 07:10:05 PM
This is proof that the Z-film was not altered. Ant Davison has done some amazing work in this area including the clip below.
That the Nix and Zapruder films are perfectly synchronised is ably demonstrated in this following Gif

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fbcWQG0/Nix-and-Zapruder.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

The original Ant Davison clip:
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 08, 2022, 03:56:09 AM

I just checked out Anthony Davison’s good work... very nice...
Most of us probably missed this one at the end... He’s got a scope...


(https://i.ibb.co/0m2WZvq/ezgif-com-crop-49.gif) (https://ibb.co/jbfxGsh)

(https://i.ibb.co/z5RfxKd/ezgif-com-resize-135.gif) (https://ibb.co/g7Tg9sY)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on March 08, 2022, 04:01:10 AM
He also got a monkey scratching it's balls.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FsKKmp2V/Screenshot-183.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 08, 2022, 04:22:14 AM

Those two are hanging from the trees...
This bad boy is sitting behind a scope!


(https://i.ibb.co/ZKjHXPk/Screen-Shot-2022-03-07-at-9-55-55-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/vmFsqGK)

(https://i.ibb.co/9gGcjtg/Screen-Shot-2022-03-07-at-9-44-19-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/542GVF4)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 09, 2022, 02:05:32 AM

Complete with scope and Stetson...

(https://i.ibb.co/SKJhWhg/Screen-Shot-2022-03-08-at-7-38-11-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/JzCf0fT)

(https://i.ibb.co/1Tdx6yt/Screen-Shot-2022-03-08-at-7-28-01-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/njnSCdN)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on March 09, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/QMqNWM3/ezgif-com-resize-137.gif) (https://ibb.co/Pgbh2gv)

(https://i.ibb.co/QXKP8nb/ezgif-com-crop-53.gif) (https://ibb.co/DLR9GkV)

 :D :D :D
You really need to have a break.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on March 09, 2022, 11:51:53 AM
:D :D :D
You really need to have a break.
i think i see the event on the horizon and stuff
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Mark Ulrik on March 09, 2022, 12:37:26 PM
I wish there was an appropriate pareidolia thread in the audiovisual forum for Maxwell to post in.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Ray Mitcham on March 09, 2022, 01:56:31 PM
I wish there was an appropriate pareidolia thread in the audiovisual forum for Maxwell to post in.
\

F.G.S don't mention pareidoyleia on here again.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 09, 2022, 10:29:47 PM
:D :D :D
You really need to have a break.

I know… On my phone it cannot be seen… On my computer… it is there… I almost didn’t post this one… I will remove it.. I know this can be frustrating…
But the image in Geraldo’s Vault HD Zapruder (gif below) is clear enough… the faint image in NIX… is likely a Stetson… but needs a good set-up to see it… All good…

Below is what everyone needs to see...


(https://i.ibb.co/cTyxvGt/ezgif-com-crop-56.gif) (https://ibb.co/Ky5mGM7)

(https://i.ibb.co/tm48pBW/ezgif-com-crop-55.gif) (https://ibb.co/8K06gMS)

(https://i.ibb.co/Jj3hsGq/Screen-Shot-2022-03-09-at-8-52-03-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/k2mdSwJ)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 11, 2022, 12:01:15 AM
Anthony Davison’s work is good... but it does not address anomalies in the background... that cannot be explained by Zapruder getting the jitters, etc...
This is what I think demands an explanation...
Look at the two frames from an 1) HD slo-mo version... and from 2) Geraldo’s 1975 first public showing of Zapruder...
NOTE: How little the limo moves forward... and how FAST the background shifts...
How is this best explained?


(https://i.ibb.co/zf3QJ0K/ezgif-com-resize-138.gif) (https://ibb.co/cTWkL7z)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ykb9Q0k/ezgif-com-resize-139.gif) (https://ibb.co/Z8NsX28)



Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 11, 2022, 12:19:20 AM
Anthony Davison’s work is good... but it does not address anomalies in the background... that cannot be explained by Zapruder getting the jitters, etc...
This is what I think demands an explanation...
Look at the two frames from an 1) HD slo-mo version... and from 2) Geraldo’s 1975 first public showing of Zapruder...
NOTE: How little the limo moves forward... and how FAST the background shifts...
How is this best explained?


(https://i.ibb.co/zf3QJ0K/ezgif-com-resize-138.gif) (https://ibb.co/cTWkL7z)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ykb9Q0k/ezgif-com-resize-139.gif) (https://ibb.co/Z8NsX28)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3x3W4K4F/zapruder-splice.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 11, 2022, 03:26:49 AM

Yes...
Does this mean that several frames of the wall across the street are missing, never seen?

Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 11, 2022, 03:42:44 AM
Yes...
Does this mean that several frames of the wall across the street are missing, never seen?


Life Magazine damaged their copy of the film which is probably the original source of of the two clips you posted. But the original Zapruder in camera version has been transferred and that's why we don't see the big jump as in your version and the unedited Zapruder film is what seen in Anthony's video.

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2022, 05:01:39 AM
Life Magazine damaged their copy of the film which is probably the original source of of the two clips you posted. But the original Zapruder in camera version has been transferred and that's why we don't see the big jump as in your version and the unedited Zapruder film is what seen in Anthony's video.

JohnM

Life Magazine damaged their copy of the film which is probably the original source of of the two clips you posted.

Sure they did. And the FBI accidentally damaged a photo of a man in the 6th floor window and the original Nix film was lost as was Mary Moorman's photo of the TSBD, taken just before the first shot, and, for some unknown reason the FBI "lost" the original Klein's' microfilm. It's all a coincidence, I'm sure....
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on March 11, 2022, 06:52:49 AM
Quote
proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic
Yeah, but which copy?
https://i.servimg.com/u/f35/17/60/28/90/scree628.jpg
Oh BTW... click image for a full page view ;)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 11, 2022, 09:02:08 AM
Yeah, but which copy?
https://i.servimg.com/u/f35/17/60/28/90/scree628.jpg
Oh BTW... click image for a full page view ;)

I don't know what the heck you are trying to prove?
The original Zapruder Film is authentic and has been verified as a camera original by The Kodak Expert, Zavada! And as expected the copies which were copied from copies over time have slight colour, quality, etc variations.  Big Deal!
Btw is there any Kook theories that you don't endorse?

"The first was Zavada, who even in retirement was the world's leading expert on the 8mm Kodachrome II film that had been inside Zapruder's camera on that fateful day. Nobody would be better suited to examining and authenticating the film than Zavada.

The examination

"Zavada identified two primary objectives for his investigation. First, he looked at the original in-camera Zapruder film to verify its authenticity and determine whether some of the anomalies on the film matched the characteristics of the original film and camera, or whether they were, as some theorized, evidence that the film had been altered or edited.

Although the Zapruder film is the most studied film in history, most people had just seen second- and third-generation copies. Zavada was one of a handful of people to see the original since it came out of Zapruder's camera.

"I saw it four times, hands on," Zavada said. "You can tell a lot by feeling the film, in terms of how it's been stored or kept, whether it's fluted, whether or not you have edges that have been damaged. You can just feel the perforation."

By studying the physical characteristics of the film and analyzing the symbols encoded on it, Zavada was able to conclude where the film stock came from.

"One of the things I certified was that Zapruder's film was made in 1961," Zavada said. Zavada analyzed the edge print on the film — machine codes that were added to Kodachrome II during the slitting, spooling and perforating process. "I could tell it was finished in Rochester based upon the codes."

Zavada tracked down the technicians who had developed Zapruder's film in Dallas hours after the assassination and made copies for the Secret Service. He looked at Zapruder's camera, and talked to experts at Bell & Howell to understand its characteristics. He concluded that all of the artifacts on the film had been caused by the camera itself. Some of those anomalies weren't visible on the copies.

e also examined the images that were captured outside of the frame of the film, between the areas punched for sprockets. These images weren't present on the copies, giving further credence to the authenticity of the original.

Zapruder paused filming at one point. He'd started shooting when a police motorcycle turned down Elm Street and stopped when he realized it wasn't Kennedy. He resumed filming some time later, when the president's car first became visible. Some conspiracy theorists suggested the film had actually been spliced.

But Zavada found no evidence of splicing, and instead saw the tell-tale fogging that occurs when a movie camera paused with film in its gate.

Originally intending to spend four days working on his analysis, Zavada spent more than 100, delivering an exhaustive, 150-page report, supplemented with hundreds more pages of notes, appendices and technical documents.

Zavada's report concluded that Zapruder's film was an "in camera original" and that any alleged alterations were not feasible. Any attempt at forgery would have left visible artifacts of "image structure constraints of grain; [and] contrast and modulation transfer function losses. It has no evidence of optical effects or matte work including granularity, edge effects or fringing, [or] contrast buildup."

Zavada concluded that the Zapruder film that the ARRB had was the original and that it had not been tampered with.

"I knew the variability that was in 8mm film," Zavada said. "Film is not precise. It has variables because it is a plastic medium. You don't cut, you shear. You're either punching holes or you're slitting. I knew the difficulty of positioning. I headed the committees on 16 and 8mm technology for the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers.""

"If somebody had altered the film," Zavada said from his Pittsford home last week, "they had to do it in a way that I couldn't see."

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2013/11/21/kodak-researchers-helped-analyze-jfk-assassination-evidence/3667753/

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"Zavada has been vehement from the beginning that his study of the film and its authenticity is independent of any content analysis. His examination and investigation is simply of the artifacts presented to him (the camera-original film and its three first generation copies) and their provenance. This was the limit of his investigation and his conclusions. Given these limits he is willing to conclude as follows:

There is no detectable evidence of manipulation or image alteration on the Zapruder in-camera-original and all supporting evidence precludes any forgery thereto.

The film that exists at NARA was received from Time/Life, has all the characteristics of an original film per my report... It has NO evidence of optical effects or matte work including granularity, edge effects or fringing, contrast buildup, etc.

In the world of paintings or antiques, authentication of artifacts is a job best left to experts. The same applies here. In the specialized realm of "questioned document" or "questioned photograph" examination, amateurs venture at their peril. Long before Lifton and Livingstone ventured forth, David Mantik offered his own mistaken theory concerning the Zapruder film as artifact. In an early article in Fetzer's volume, Assassination Science, he opined that the "ghost images" found at times between the sprocket holes signaled alteration of the original film. This thesis evaporated as soon as Anthony Marsh began circularizing snippets of eight millimeter film taken with a similar camera that showed similar ghost images. Later, Zavada showed how the "ghost images" were produced by a simple double-exposure of the primary image. Other amateurish efforts over the years that sought to undermine the authenticity of the film via technical criticism have met with similar fates."

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Bedrock_Evidence_in_the_Kennedy_Assassination.html

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 13, 2022, 02:39:53 AM


One last Zapruder frame... Surprisingly, from Geraldo’s Vault... HD....
Nope... not pareidolia... not random artifact... a human face... There are three or four frames of this that come out of the shadows...


(https://i.ibb.co/jymwdTZ/Screen-Shot-2022-03-12-at-7-58-13-PM.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/tD6cC02/Screen-Shot-2022-03-12-at-8-04-04-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/6FSbsKt)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 13, 2022, 10:59:04 PM

Zapruder film... the gift that keeps on giving!
This is from the 1976 HSCA Enhanced Version of Zapruder...


(https://i.ibb.co/Dztw9jk/ezgif-com-crop-63.gif) (https://ibb.co/xXDz1rG)(https://i.ibb.co/VHKvTbw/Screen-Shot-2022-03-13-at-5-08-40-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/M8XR7KB)
(https://i.ibb.co/tMcYpSg/ezgif-com-gif-maker-73.gif) (https://ibb.co/rGM52gY)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 14, 2022, 02:13:44 AM

Here’s another image from the HSCA 1976 Enhanced Version of Zapruder...

(https://i.ibb.co/2jWNzp4/ezgif-com-resize-144.gif) (https://ibb.co/GVnTZrS)(https://i.ibb.co/kG6FbR2/ezgif-com-crop-67.gif) (https://ibb.co/vcv8y74)

(https://i.ibb.co/TYp1B8x/ezgif-com-gif-maker-78.gif) (https://ibb.co/fqB9Ypz)





Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on March 14, 2022, 06:25:55 PM
I don't know what the heck you are trying to prove?
The original Zapruder Film is authentic and has been verified as a camera original by The Kodak Expert, Zavada! And as expected the copies which were copied from copies over time have slight colour, quality, etc variations.  Big Deal!
Btw is there any Kook theories that you don't endorse?
Quote
...is there any Kook theories that you don't endorse?
Yeah....yours.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 15, 2022, 12:50:55 AM
Is Zapruder 100% Authentic...? It could be...
However, the film can be authentic, but also distorted and purposely overlaid with images to cover critical areas that might reveal something significant...
I see what I consider to be evidence of compressing images that distort them and make them very difficult to recognize...
There are several at the end of Zapruder...
The images below come from the HSCA 1976 Enhanced Version of Zapruder...
I will start with my favorite...
This could very likely be the gunman behind the fence that actually killed Kennedy. Notice the lengthy rifle barrel that looks like it’s being lifted back up over the fence...
The first is the broad view for context... Then the broad view with the supposed “gunman” circled...
Then the image of the gunman up close up as presented in the HSCA copy... THEN... the same image lengthened... I think you will notice the compression distortion... It looks like the fellow has on glasses!


(https://i.ibb.co/4NM2DXv/Screen-Shot-2022-03-14-at-7-03-15-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/Yj8XK1n)

(https://i.ibb.co/qkcs4Zq/Screen-Shot-2022-03-14-at-7-03-15-PM-copy.png) (https://ibb.co/Rzs0M5r)
(https://i.ibb.co/xgF4dWv/Screen-Shot-2022-03-14-at-8-02-01-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/X5YwM1B)

(https://i.ibb.co/1YCp838/Screen-Shot-2022-03-14-at-7-07-07-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/cKWpDPD)

(https://i.ibb.co/bz9jQCK/Screen-Shot-2022-03-14-at-7-08-23-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/vZnCVTj)

Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 15, 2022, 12:59:14 AM
Is Zapruder 100% Authentic...? It could be...
However, the film can be authentic, but also distorted and purposely overlaid with images to cover critical areas that might reveal something significant...
I see what I consider to be evidence of compressing images that distort them and make them very difficult to recognize...

Hi Jake, if the film frames are "distorted and purposely overlaid with images to cover critical areas" then that by definition must mean that the hundreds of images that you have posted with mysterious snipers all over Dealey Plaza must be a product of pareidolia, yes?
Btw please stop posting your images in this thread! Thanks in advance.

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jake Maxwell on March 15, 2022, 01:17:33 AM
Hi Jake, if the film frames are "distorted and purposely overlaid with images to cover critical areas" then that by definition must mean that the hundreds of images that you have posted with mysterious snipers all over Dealey Plaza must be a product of pareidolia, yes?
Btw please stop posting your images in this thread! Thanks in advance.

JohnM

Not pareidolia at all... But yes... compression of images was just one of several different techniques to cover and distort significant areas of the film... in my opinion...
It might take a few days, weeks or years... but I believe some will begin to see what Zapruder caught on film... and what others didn’t want us to see... perhaps Kennedy’s head shot assassin...
I will stop posting in this thread as you request and will only respond if members request a reply...
Regards, Jake
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 15, 2022, 01:22:38 AM
Going through my collection I found some interesting graphics that prove all sorts of things.

This autopsy photo showing the irregular torn scalp matches the same injury as seen in the Moorman photo.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L59BncHv/matching-Moorman-with-autopsy-photo.gif)

This forensic simulation using a replica ballistic head demonstrates a similar result to what is seen in Zapruder.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLxDz6Fy/6thfloorsimulationgif.gif)

For any rational sane person the fact that the Nix film shows the exact same event from a completely different perspective proves the Zapruder film is 100% authentic!

(https://i.postimg.cc/qqbczZ6V/quick-jerk-h-GIFSoupcom.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fbcWQG0/Nix-and-Zapruder.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

The first eyewitnesses who saw the assassination from right up close ALL describe the exact same expulsion of matter as seen in the authenticated Zapruder Film.

(https://i.postimg.cc/JzPxZ4yJ/Dealey-plaza-first-eyewitnesses.gif)

In the centre frame in this Gif right next to Jackie's left shoulder, a piece of brain/skull is seen hurtling towards the floor.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8k4gZBg2/312-315headbonestableresized.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hvnzjT0B/limo-2a.jpg)

The blood spray dissipation seen in this hunting video is replicated in the Zapruder film.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwZC17K4/Blood-spray-dissipation-zapruder.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 31, 2022, 01:14:22 AM
It doesn't get any more absurd, over at the Ed Forum Sandy and Butler have shown that film manipulation is possible because these films(Mary Poppins and Jason and the Argonauts) were made at around the same time, therefore they assert that anything is possible.
These higher res frames of the films mentioned above, show us terrible special effects with obvious additional grain layers and the shots from Jason and the Argonauts were filmed with cameras bolted to the floor and then to compare these images with the photorealistic HANDHELD Zapruder film is basically as silly as it gets.

The skeletons are sharper because they were filmed directly whereas the backdrop has motion blur and has already been filmed which means it is already grainy and then when you film a grainy background with more grainy film we get double grain which as can be seen below is easily detected as not being first generation.

(https://i.postimg.cc/59mfCyy2/jason-and-the-argonauts-skeletons.jpg)

I don't know how Sandy thought that animated penguins equates to what we see in Zapruder but the pasted in Dick and Julie aren't very convincing.

(https://i.postimg.cc/yYYsXK3X/dick-van-dyke-penguin.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 31, 2022, 03:30:40 AM
Looks like Dick and Julie to everybody else. Your buddies are cringing again... ::)

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Looks like Dick and Julie to everybody else.

Yep, that's why their names are in the credits.
Btw the heavy matte outlines are what detracts from photorealism.

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Your buddies are cringing again...

No, your inane comments are making everyone cringe.

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 31, 2022, 04:18:37 AM
Here's some fascinating information on how Disney Studios made those live action mixed with animated sequences in Mary Poppins come to life.


JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on March 31, 2022, 06:36:51 AM
Going through my collection I found some interesting graphics that prove all sorts of things.

This autopsy photo showing the irregular torn scalp matches the same injury as seen in the Moorman photo.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L59BncHv/matching-Moorman-with-autopsy-photo.gif)

This forensic simulation using a replica ballistic head demonstrates a similar result to what is seen in Zapruder.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLxDz6Fy/6thfloorsimulationgif.gif)

For any rational sane person the fact that the Nix film shows the exact same event from a completely different perspective proves the Zapruder film is 100% authentic!

(https://i.postimg.cc/qqbczZ6V/quick-jerk-h-GIFSoupcom.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fbcWQG0/Nix-and-Zapruder.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

The first eyewitnesses who saw the assassination from right up close ALL describe the exact same expulsion of matter as seen in the authenticated Zapruder Film.

(https://i.postimg.cc/JzPxZ4yJ/Dealey-plaza-first-eyewitnesses.gif)

In the centre frame in this Gif right next to Jackie's left shoulder, a piece of brain/skull is seen hurtling towards the floor.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8k4gZBg2/312-315headbonestableresized.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hvnzjT0B/limo-2a.jpg)

The blood spray dissipation seen in this hunting video is replicated in the Zapruder film.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwZC17K4/Blood-spray-dissipation-zapruder.gif)

JohnM

  John,

  In 2004, I sent this information about the large piece of skull that we see in Z-314 past Mrs. Kennedy, landing on the top of the seat occupied by Mrs. Connally which then bounces off her seat and falls toward the floor.  He made this .gif showing a blow up of the skull fragment in action:
 
https://paulseaton.com/jfk/frags/bounce.htm
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on March 31, 2022, 07:06:14 AM
  John,

  In 2004, I sent this information about the large piece of skull that we see in Z-314 past Mrs. Kennedy, landing on the top of the seat occupied by Mrs. Connally which then bounces off her seat and falls toward the floor.  He made this .gif showing a blow up of the skull fragment in action:
 
https://paulseaton.com/jfk/frags/bounce.htm

Thanks Steve, I never noticed that before and I have to agree that the piece next to the arrow must be the same piece as seen in Z314. This is undeniable graphic evidence that the shot came from behind and blew the matter forward.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on March 31, 2022, 12:32:45 PM
Thanks Steve, I never noticed that before and I have to agree that the piece next to the arrow must be the same piece as seen in Z314. This is undeniable graphic evidence that the shot came from behind and blew the matter forward.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

JohnM

Amazing Steve, never seen that myself.
Some brilliant graphics from the both you and John.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 01, 2022, 06:14:22 AM
Thanks Steve, I never noticed that before and I have to agree that the piece next to the arrow must be the same piece as seen in Z314. This is undeniable graphic evidence that the shot came from behind and blew the matter forward.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

 Hi John,

  Thank you, and You're very welcome.  I'm glad I could be of some help.

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 01, 2022, 06:16:57 AM
Amazing Steve, never seen that myself.
Some brilliant graphics from the both you and John.


   Hi Dan,

    Thanks so much!!!   


Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 01, 2022, 07:41:11 AM
And the backward head movement is from...WHAT exactly??

It was the combination of jet effect, neuromuscular reaction and Kennedy's back brace.

"The brace was a firmly bound corset, around his hips and lower back and higher up," said Dr. Thomas Pait, a spinal neurosurgeon who co-authored a paper about Kennedy's failed back surgeries. "He tightly laced it and put a wide Ace bandage around in a figure eight around his trunk. If you think about it, if you have that brace all the way up your chest, above your nipples, and real tight, are you going to be able to bend forward?"
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/22/health/jfk-assassination-back-pain/index.html

Did JFK's back brace REALLY cost him his life?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4683726/Did-JFK-s-brace-REALLY-cost-life.html

(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2013/11/19/27243793-d84f-4aa7-b0f3-2af4222459ab/thumbnail/640x480/ef69636ca98dc3a5270f08d76dbda49e/kennedybrace.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/bf/82/6dbf823b4f19e6590ff2c5545132f96f.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/11/15/42342EBE00000578-4683726-image-m-14_1499783314874.jpg)

Jet effect in action.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BnPn9p1v/bottle-jet-effect.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FsBHB8zq/melon-jet-effect.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJq4s3QB/coconut-jet-effect.gif)

JohnM

Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 01, 2022, 07:57:34 AM
Once again...the 100% authentic grainy, blurry and jumpy as hell 8 tiny mm film where the arrow is pointing is showing what could be one of the roses. Look around at all the other roses doing the same bouncing----

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

I also fail to see boogie men in the bushes. The film shows me that there was an obvious ambush there and shooters could have been anywhere.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 01, 2022, 08:19:40 AM
Once again...the 100% authentic grainy, blurry and jumpy as hell 8 tiny mm film where the arrow is pointing is showing what could be one of the roses. Look around at all the other roses doing the same bouncing----

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)


Roses are red and what's next to the arrow isn't the same shade and how you expect that rose to suddenly jump across the car is anybody's guess? Also, the roses are bobbing around on stems and the piece of matter is falling to the floor, I don't see the reason for your connection. Maybe next time think before you blindly smash your keyboard? K?

And I'm guessing that you think that the piece of matter seen in Z314 was also a rose?

(https://i.postimg.cc/8k4gZBg2/312-315headbonestableresized.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vBDddH4d/z314.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 01, 2022, 04:37:24 PM
Once again...the 100% authentic grainy, blurry and jumpy as hell 8 tiny mm film where the arrow is pointing is showing what could be one of the roses. Look around at all the other roses doing the same bouncing----

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

I also fail to see boogie men in the bushes. The film shows me that there was an obvious ambush there and shooters could have been anywhere.

   Then look at a clearer copy of the film!  It's not my film!  It's Paul Seaton's copy. I simply pointed it out to him using the MPI version of the film.  While you're at it, watch the entire sequence beginning with the fatal shot  and see that it comes from JFK's head.  We already know that both Connally's were struck with head matter, based on their testimonies and interviews!
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 03, 2022, 12:28:09 AM
And the backward head movement is from...WHAT exactly??

In my opinion, the backwards movement of JFK's head and body from a shot from behind is the most counter-intuitive aspect of this case.
I was originally convinced it was caused by a shot from the right front because it seems so obvious when watching the Z-film.
My reasoning was simple - the immense amount of damage to JFK's head indicates a massive force acted on his head at the moment of impact and this force must be reflected in the way his head moves.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SxK2VSdv/JFKAutopsy-Morph.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

The "back and to the left" motion must surely depict the direction the force acted on his head.
Then I examined this clip of the head-shot very closely:

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJF858sd/Head-Shot-close.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

The following analysis is my own, personal interpretation of what I see in this clip:

The first movement, at the moment of impact, is forward. This indicates a shot from behind.
The massive flap of scalp, with skull bone still attached, is blown down by the side of his head. To me, this also indicates a shot from behind. A shot from the front would've blown this section of scalp backwards, towards the back of his head (IMO)
A large crater in the top of his head confirms the damage shown in the autopsy pic/Gif above, and highlights the massive amount of force that has acted on the head.
At the moment of impact JFK's head is leaning forward and down, his chin appears to be resting at the very top of his chest.

So, if a massive force was applied to the back of JFK's head while his head was in this forward "resting" position, what would happen?
The very first movement of the head would be forward and down (down, because his head is attached to his neck, so it would move in an arc, not a straight line).
But his head is in this "resting" position, with his chin, more or less, resting on the area at the top of his chest.
This means his head has nowhere to go and is driven into the top of his chest where it experiences an equal and opposite reactive force. It is this reactive force that drives his head backwards and upwards (in an arc).
His head, basically, "rebounds" off the upper part of his torso:

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJF858sd/Head-Shot-close.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

No "jet effect" [what a crock!]
No neuro-muscular reaction [there is zero rigidity in any of his movements]
Just simple physics.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 03, 2022, 06:42:26 AM
Roses are red.... 
..and violets are blue-
Mytton's never wrong
I mean hell... just ask you.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

The arrow points to a rose I believe because just to the left of that it is a fuller bloom and to the left of that one is also a rose I believe because it looks just like the flower with the arrow. But probably not enough people look at your crap to care anyway.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 04, 2022, 01:07:18 AM
A further illustration....My wife is a florist and tells me that late bloomers are sorted together with an arrangement of full blooms.
 Especially if there is no vase to keep them watered....
That way roses are blooming continually throughout the visit---

(https://cdn.atwilltech.com/flowerdatabase/t/two-dozen-red-roses-vase-arrangement-5d6723cea399b.425.jpg)

It was customary for dignitary lady visitors to Texas to receive yellow bouquets of roses.
Strange that the first lady received red ones.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 04, 2022, 03:36:12 AM

I will stop posting in this thread as you request ...
Mytton did not say to quit posting here. He can't do that.
 It's about your images.
 So tell him to 'request' that his pal Chapman quit posting his idiotic images in every thread on the forum.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 08, 2022, 11:45:00 AM
Another alteration claim doing the rounds is the colour of the coat of the lady(Babushka Lady) behind Brehm and his son, in Costello's Zapruder frames her coat appears to be a different colour but if you look closely her coat is opening up in the wind.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b742c04bece9cd06575a11fbaffea1b4898648cb/0_377_3000_1801/master/3000.jpg?width=605&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=d5aac4eb6dfac19c8894b51d8a1fa9f8)

I originally made these Gif's to refute another alteration claim that Brehm's son moved too quickly in a few frames but a stabilized Gif shows natural movement. Anyway the gif also shows the lady's brown coat billowing in the wind.

(https://i.postimg.cc/26SgQV5B/Brehm-Zapruder.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv2ZBwL7/Brehm-Zaprudera.gif)

The wind blowing up Elm street also affected Muchmore's and Hill's dresses.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJp9cTRf/Muchmore2.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 08, 2022, 11:52:21 AM
..and violets are blue-
Mytton's never wrong
I mean hell... just ask you.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

The arrow points to a rose I believe because just to the left of that it is a fuller bloom and to the left of that one is also a rose I believe because it looks just like the flower with the arrow. But probably not enough people look at your crap to care anyway.

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Mytton's never wrong

 Thumb1:

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The arrow points to a rose...

A rose with a shiny specular highlight? Yeah whatever!

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 08, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
Thumb1:

A rose with a shiny specular highlight? Yeah whatever!

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

JohnM

Hi John, the object in question is clearly rotating as it falls out of view. As it rotates we get to see it's sides and it's edges.
Do you have a good copy, close-up, from the head shot to the point we are seeing in the above clip. There appears to be a large piece of skull blown forward at the moment of impact and I just want to see how it relates to the rotating object in the above clip.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 08, 2022, 06:09:59 PM
..and violets are blue-
Mytton's never wrong
I mean hell... just ask you.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

The arrow points to a rose I believe because just to the left of that it is a fuller bloom and to the left of that one is also a rose I believe because it looks just like the flower with the arrow. But probably not enough people look at your crap to care anyway.

Jerry Freeman, I beg your pardon.  Since when do roses have square edges and pointed?  The object can clearly be seen changing shape as it falls.  Since when does one rose out of a bunch of roses fall out of sight from the rest of the bunch, while the rest of the bunch remain in place?  Further, the shade of pink does not match the redness of roses at all, and the object is also reflecting sunlight on one side as it falls.  It is not a rose by any stretch.   As far as your remark to John Mytton...your disrespect for his posting some very helpful gif's is unwarranted.  Lets see some of your work on films.  Okay?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 09, 2022, 07:27:33 AM
   Since when do roses have square edges and pointed?
(https://cdn.atwilltech.com/flowerdatabase/t/two-dozen-red-roses-vase-arrangement-5d6723cea399b.425.jpg)
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  It is not a rose by any stretch
Then what is it? And where is the proof?
Quote
As far as your remark to John Mytton...your disrespect for his posting some very helpful gif's is unwarranted.
   
John Mytton is very disrespectful to other posters and has never admitted that he is ever wrong about anything.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 10, 2022, 12:31:43 AM
John Mytton is very disrespectful to other posters and has never admitted that he is ever wrong about anything.

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John Mytton is very disrespectful to other posters

No, I just tell it like it is and if your goofball theories require evidence and logic as refutation then by golly I'll be there to give you a helping hand.

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and has never admitted that he is ever wrong about anything.

Why post something that is wrong in the first place?, I stick to the truth and it's done me well so far!

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 10, 2022, 12:40:01 AM
Hi John, the object in question is clearly rotating as it falls out of view. As it rotates we get to see it's sides and it's edges.
Do you have a good copy, close-up, from the head shot to the point we are seeing in the above clip. There appears to be a large piece of skull blown forward at the moment of impact and I just want to see how it relates to the rotating object in the above clip.

(https://i.postimg.cc/P5jn9wV6/Z314a.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 10, 2022, 12:47:22 AM
No, I just tell it like it is and if your goofball theories require evidence and logic as refutation then by golly I'll be there to give you a helping hand.

Why post something that is wrong in the first place?, I stick to the truth and it's done me well so far!

JohnM

No, I just tell it like it is

No, you tell it like you want it to be and never get truth in the way of anything

Why post something that is wrong in the first place?

Because it isn't wrong. This may go over your head, but you've just proven the point.

I stick to the truth

No you don't. You constantly misrepresent the evidence and haven't got a clue about what the truth is.

and it's done me well so far!

In what way and in which universe? Here you are know, by most of the members I talk to, as a dishonest WC propagandist who is desperately trying (and failing) to make the highly questionable evidence fit the official narrative.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 10, 2022, 12:54:20 AM
WOW, to find Weidman at any time 24 hours a day all I gotta do is post here and this time in around 15 minutes here he is responding with all the vile and venom he can muster.
It looks like the lifestyle of this rich and famous Lear Jetter simply revolves around me. Nice!

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 10, 2022, 01:04:18 AM
WOW, to find Weidman at any time 24 hours a day all I gotta do is post here and this time in around 15 minutes here he is responding with all the vile and venom he can muster.
It looks like the lifestyle of this rich and famous Lear Jetter simply revolves around me. Nice!

JohnM

Says the guy who hasn't got anything better to do than start the day (it's 8:30 AM in Sydney) posting on a JFK forum.

It looks like the lifestyle of this rich and famous Lear Jetter simply revolves around me. Nice!

Wow, ego playing up again, Johnny?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 10, 2022, 01:26:19 AM
OMG I said that Weidmann was infatuated with me, now he's obsessed with where I live and the time I post, what's next?, maybe he'll come to Australia and try and meet me again? LMFAO!

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 10, 2022, 01:31:07 AM
OMG I said that Weidmann was infatuated with me, now he's obsessed with where I live and the time I post, what's next?, maybe he'll come to Australia and try and meet me again? LMFAO!

JohnM

I couldn't care less what time you post, but to keep up appearances you should perhaps at least try to make it somewhat believable.

maybe he'll come to Australia and try and meet me again?

Begging for more attention? But why would I travel to Australia if I wanted to meet you?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 10, 2022, 01:48:02 AM
I couldn't care less what time you post

Vs

Says the guy who hasn't got anything better to do than start the day (it's 8:30 AM in Sydney) posting on a JFK forum.

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 10, 2022, 02:00:43 AM
I couldn't care less what time you post

Vs

Says the guy who hasn't got anything better to do than start the day (it's 8:30 AM in Sydney) posting on a JFK forum.

JohnM

Just two statements of facts. If you want to beat your insecurity and feed your ego, you'll need to do better that this.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 10, 2022, 05:49:39 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5jn9wV6/Z314a.jpg)

JohnM

Hi John, I meant a video clip, close-up and your usual high quality, from the moment of the headshot to the moment after the piece of skull has rotated out of view.

I'd do it myself but my video suite is down at the moment.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 10, 2022, 06:24:42 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5jn9wV6/Z314a.jpg)

JohnM

 Hi John,

   I can't remember whether it was you or someone else that I mentioned that I had seen this particular copy of the Zapruder film as the film in motion somewhere on the Internet, but I found it and downloaded it.  Here's the YouTube link:
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 11, 2022, 10:00:05 PM
I just tell it like it is and if your goofball theories require evidence and logic as refutation then by golly I'll be there to give you a helping hand.
                                                                  ::) Right.
 
 

For everyone else with eyes and a brain--- See the cops badge in the picture?
It is the relative size of an 8mm frame from the film. These films age quickly and lose color [wash out] yet if Mr Helping Hand wants to tell you that mere microns of cellulose from that frame are not actually flowers falling all over the car but who knows what--- [??????] then believe his goofball stuff if you want.
 
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 12, 2022, 01:45:18 PM

It is my honest opinion that the object highlighted by the arrow in the clip below is a piece of JFK's skull, and not a rose. I've analysed this piece of film so many times before and was quite shocked when Steve Barber pointed the object out.
To me, it is an object rotating as it falls to the limo floor. It is triangular(ish) in shape, has flat sides and edges. It is a reddish-pink colour rather than the deep red of the roses.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

John posted this clip, which appears to show a large piece of JFK's skull being blown towards the area we see the object pointed out by Steve Barber rotating and falling below the edge of the door.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8k4gZBg2/312-315headbonestableresized.gif)

The bottom line is this - if the object is indeed a piece of skull them it must have been found in the limo as we see it falling to the limo floor. And this is indeed the case, although as with nearly everything in this case, there is a certain amount of confusion about who found it, what it consistent is that a piece of skull, measuring approximately 10 x 6.5 cm was found on the floor in the back of the limo.

Paul Seaton deals thoroughly with this matter at https://paulseaton.com/jfk/frags/bounce.htm

There can be very little doubt that the large piece of triangular(ish) shaped skull discovered in the back of the limo is what is being shown in the above clips from the Z-film.
As Seaton notes, both the triangular piece and the Harper fragment are blown forward. Yet another piece of confirmation that the head-shot came from behind.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 12, 2022, 04:47:13 PM
After two head shots how much head would be left?

JohnM

BINGO!!!!! 
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 13, 2022, 01:05:43 AM
Hi John, I meant a video clip, close-up and your usual high quality, from the moment of the headshot to the moment after the piece of skull has rotated out of view.

I'd do it myself but my video suite is down at the moment.

Thanks in advance

This video isn't stabilized and as good as Steve's Gif but does show the timing of the ejection to when the "rose" tumbled down the inside of the car.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fyY3wN5N/Z308-327b.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 13, 2022, 01:50:21 AM
This video isn't stabilized and as good as Steve's Gif but does show the timing of the ejection to when the "rose" tumbled down the inside of the car.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fyY3wN5N/Z308-327b.gif)

JohnM

Thanks John.
The piece of skull appears to be blown precisely to where we see the rotating object.
It is immensely frustrating that at the moment of the head-shot the edge of the limo door is below the film frame as the full movement of the piece of skull can't be tracked.
However, it does appear that this piece is fired out of JFK's head at tremendous speed and then bounces upwards before falling down (although it is difficult to be sure of this)
This piece of skull can only be the large triangular piece taken to Bethseda about midnight with two other pieces, all of which were found in the limo.
Forensic Anthropologist, J. Lawrence Angel, placed this piece of bone at the front of JFK's head (No. 1 in the pic below):

(https://i.postimg.cc/26W4w6bv/Screenshot-204.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 13, 2022, 01:57:50 AM
  What's this?????  You mean you are unaware of the fact that Mark Lane heavily edited out details regarding the details Brehm gave Lane about what he witnessed that day?!  You are completely unaware that the transcripts of the interviews of the people Lane interviewed are complete and unedited and housed in Wisconsin at the Wisconsin Historical Society?   Mr. Brehm's complete, unedited interview on transcript is labeled:  "USMss, 117AN “Rush to Judgment” Box 60, Folder 1" . The entire story about the "Whatever it was" that he saw which he himself never said was a piece of "skull", according to what he says in the unedited interview.  Many of Mr. Brehm's actions and observations were edited out of the film, conveniently, because he points out that what he thought he saw -HE did not identify as a piece of skull--Seymour Weitzman did when it was found in the street-and Lane mentioned Weitzman because Brehm said that he himself would never have been able to identify it as a piece of skull.  You'd better get busy and write the WHS and ask for a copy of Mr. Brehm's unedited  and complete interview with Lane. Then you'll realize what a shyster Lane was, and why Mr. Brehm blasted Lane during his appearance in 1967 on the CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report, saying that Lane took great liberties at adding to his quotation, and that he positively identified the object as a piece of skull, when he did no such thing!  Look the place up on the Internet, and while you're at it, ask for a copy of Lee Bowers' complete and unedited interview, and see how Lane did the same thing to Bowers by editing out things Bowers said regarding the men and the stockade fence.  Brehm also did not say that the "whatever it was" landed near where he stood. 

 So, in answer to your question, no, I do not believe in the tooth fairy, nor do I believe anything Mark Lane had to say when it comes to Chuck Brehm or Lee Bowers, and what they observed on 11/22/1963. 

 I also believe that you should actually be asking yourself if you believe in the tooth fairy.   Anyone who believes that two bullets struck JFK in the head from two  different directions and then believe that most of the head would still be intact...well, lets just say that you don't know the first thing about ballistics or forensics.

Hi Steve, I've always assumed the piece of skull Weitzman was referring to was the Harper Fragment but it clearly isn't. The Harper was found the next day, the three pieces of skull found in the limo (including the large triangular piece) was taken to Bethseda that night.
I don't know what happened to the piece of skull Weitzman found that day:

Mr. Weitzman: Yes, sir; other officers, Secret Service as well, and somebody started, there was something red in the street and I went back over the wall and somebody brought me a piece of what he thought to be a firecracker and it turned out to be, I believe, I wouldn't quote this, but I turned it over to one of the Secret Service men and I told them it should go to the lab because it looked to me like human bone. I later found out it was supposedly a portion of the President's skull.
Mr. Ball: That you picked up off the street?
Mr. Weitzman: Yes.
Mr. Ball: What part of the street did you pick this up?
Mr. Weitzman: As the President's car was going off, it would be on the left-hand side of the street. It would be the----
Mr. Ball: The left-hand side facing----
Mr. Weitzman: That would be the south side of the street.
Mr. Ball: It was on the south side of the street. Was it in the street?
Mr. Weitzman: It was in the street itself.
Mr. Ball: On the pavement?
Mr. Weitzman: Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball: Anywhere near the curb?
Mr. Weitzman: Approximately, oh, I would say 8 to 12 inches from the curb, something like that.
Mr. Ball: Off the record.
(Off record discussion.)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 14, 2022, 12:18:42 AM

   Unless I clicked on something wrong, I was responding to what you said to me on page 8, post #8 from the top, by yourself.

I wouldn't worry about it, there was a time on this Forum when odd sentences or phrases would be substituted for certain words. And what was added is hardly a reason to alert the authorities, but I guess when the CT's arguments are as weak as piss, then they will resort to almost anything to gain an advantage.

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Martin Weidmann on April 14, 2022, 12:34:58 AM
I wouldn't worry about it, there was a time on this Forum when odd sentences or phrases would be substituted for certain words. And what was added is hardly a reason to alert the authorities, but I guess when the CT's arguments are as weak as piss, then they will resort to almost anything to gain an advantage.

JohnM

You seem to be familiar with this kind of behavior. Why is that?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 14, 2022, 12:53:52 AM

   Unless I clicked on something wrong, I was responding to what you said to me on page 8, post #8 from the top, by yourself.


You've just not added the quote symbols when you responded.
It happens all the time.

Only a truly spineless f%ckwit would report such a thing.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 14, 2022, 01:44:07 AM
You seem to be familiar with this kind of behavior. Why is that?

What "kind of behavior" would that be, Martin?   Why are you asking John Mytton such a question? You seem to get your kicks at taking comments that people post and using them as a vehicle for you to take cheap shots at people like John Mytton who has done some outstanding work with gif's, photos, and films, trying to help people be able to see things that aren't always easy to see due to camera movement and such.   Let me ask you.   Could you point me in the direction of something you've done in here that is considered outstand research/work?   I'd like to see it, seriously.   

 All I did was respond in kind to Mando that I was mistaken in saying what I said about the fragments removed from Gov. Connally's wrist.   .... made a comment about what I said in response to something he said.  My response was WRONG, I misspoke, and so I pointed out that I was wrong.  Here is the exchange which is on page 8, 8 comment from the top: 

 Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
« Reply #77 on: April 12, 2022, 10:53:32 PM »
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Quote from: Steve Barber on April 12, 2022, 04:40:38 PM
He's basing that on something that was disproved by yours truly.  The acoustics evidence was a lie perpetrated upon the American people by the scientsis that worked for the HSCA.  There are no gunshots on the Dictabelt recording whatsoever.  There is also no evidence of a gunshot to President Kennedy's head from the knoll.  Had there been, the left hemisphere and the skull damage would be apparent in the 3 home movie films that captured the fatal shot. And, as conspiracy theorist Robert B. Cutler said it best:  "There would have been absolutely nothing left of the skull had two shots struck the skull", and there is no evidence of any large skull fragments flying anywhere but forward, based on the three films, the x-ray or the autopsy pictures--not to mention the fact that the left hemisphere of the brain was intact.

.... posted this:

 Quote:  "You also believe (quote) "grains of lead that were recovered from Connally's wounds  were matched to that bullet" even though there is no valid scientific study that supports this conclusion.

Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy?"  Quote Off.

 
 So, I responded to ...., saying this:  Quote :  " Sorry.  I misspoke.  At my age, the memory just isn't what it once was.  I hope this doesn't happen to you if you reach this age."
 
 Then, I think it was earlier today-- I saw where I didn't answer his question "Do you believe in the tooth fairy?, so, I clicked on wherever I was reading that from, and said the words "No, do you?  I've messed up somewhere, and I don't know how, but somehow, I messed up something.

  I honestly do remember what color his comment to me was when I responded to what he said--and I am not in this Forum enough to remember how everything works anymore.  (I think Duncan knows But I'm not certain) how little I'm here anymore compared to how I used to post comments several years ago).  What I cannot figure out is, where is my original comment of " " Sorry.  I misspoke.  At my age, the memory just isn't what it once was.  I hope this doesn't happen to you if you reach this age.".  It isn't here, and I posted it, but I do not see it anywhere except within the blue background response.  I'm confused, literally.   But the point is, I didn't initially say anything disrespectful to .... within my response to him.  Maybe Duncan can jump in here and help clear this up.  I'm at a loss, and I'm dreadfully sorry Duncan for this mess. 

 
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 14, 2022, 01:59:21 AM
You've just not added the quote symbols when you responded.
It happens all the time.

Only a truly spineless f%ckwit would report such a thing.

 Thank you so much, Dan!!!!   Now I know what I did wrong.  Its a relief finding out I haven't lost my (failing) mind completely.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on April 14, 2022, 02:12:39 AM
Thank you so much, Dan!!!!   Now I know what I did wrong.  Its a relief finding out I haven't lost my (failing) mind completely.

It's easily done.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 14, 2022, 02:34:33 AM

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Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 14, 2022, 11:15:33 PM
An innocent error of accidentally putting a reply inside the quote tags.  Nothing to get worked up about.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 15, 2022, 12:44:16 AM
An innocent error of accidentally putting a reply inside the quote tags.  Nothing to get worked up about.

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The fact that he really cared and was so passionate about unintentionally offending a fellow member really makes such an emotional difference around here, because Otto, Walt, ...., Weidmann, etc with their insults, angry replies and an unhealthy overreliance on acronyms stops this place being all warm and cozy. LOL LMFAO ROFL YAWN!

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Allan Fritzke on April 16, 2022, 03:33:25 AM
I have to go with Jerry Freeman post on the roses!

Assume Zapruder frames at 18fps and shot at Z313.    The car is moving forward at 10 mph.  No visible sign of this brain matter until Z321 and Z314 and then it hangs in  the roses for about 4 frames and remains almost stationary with roses.  Total time is somewhere near 1/2 a second and there is no visible fragment flying through the air from JFK's head to that position.  The frame next to Z314 shows no evidence of  a trajectory. Either it was travelling awfully fast and gone within a frame or.....

Coincidentally, you see a group of roses and camera shake in this region.  Certainly looks like part of the group of roses to me.   When you see JFK raise his arm, his leg also flew up, pushing the roses up.  Visibly arm comes up and I am inferring so does the leg before it goes limp.

In fact when you look at the sequence from Z320 to Z323, the "aberration" appears to be growing "up" and not falling down.  (Analysis from the Lightbox Frames).   Then it falls back down between Z324 and Z326 and then Z327 becomes a black hole on the door frame! It  bleeds into the car body frame!   Pretty hard not to see the anomaly appearing as it progressively was getting larger before it shrank below view.   Of course their are cuts on the film as well in these frames.

 It is pretty hard to follow your trajectory path as you see Point A and Point B and absolutely nothing in between!    There should be evidence in the primary frames in between of it flying through the air even if it was a saucer and be caught by light. Unfortunately none of this can be seen in the film to back up your argument.  Not saying it isn't possible if certain frames were doctored.  Oops.  I forget.  No doctoring of Zapruder film!!!   Tore a few times and just badly scratched up with vertical angled lines.  Thats another debate (next post!)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Allan Fritzke on April 16, 2022, 04:03:55 AM
Doctoring of the Zapruder Film.  Here is a prime example. If they can do this here, where else can they do it and make it ingeniously blend in?  Note the flag and the waterspot just above it that turns to a fleshy color.  Was this a film spice, a license plate splice or cutting or an obscurement or movement of people in the scene? Maybe the feet in the scene should have been at the waterspot and match their shadow?

(https://i.postimg.cc/qvpVtRY0/z225.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6pWgWP2p/z226.jpg)

Maybe they were just obscuring the license plate numbers so you couldn't trace them!  Those definitely look like cut lines on Z225.  Again, the background figures are hideous.  They appear to be clapping.  Well that could be, but they are also in the right place to make a presidential interception when JFK is right behind the sign and the first shot comes in.  It would work great having everyone's attention fixed on Cuban and the umbrella man on the other side of the road!   To make matters worse, those figures don't appear to be following the car with their gaze and the figure at the front quickly puts his hand directly behind his back.  Must have had an itchy spot!    Not sure what these characters were doing and who they were.  Garry Unger's picks up some black in those frames.  Anything cut or modified?  Thanks to Garry Unger's Pictures!  The others don't show the shadows!  The stance doesn't match the body position either!


(https://i.postimg.cc/h4J7w42S/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-076.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkVySk0x/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-110.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ncFMxHkj/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-276.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PcDws4H/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-610.jpg)

It would be interesting to see a gif zoomed on these characters!
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on April 16, 2022, 04:18:05 AM
I have to go with Jerry Freeman post on the roses!

 :D

The larger piece of skull seems to be a match to the Limo skull gif.

(https://i.ibb.co/8Pr1qR3/Triangular-skull-fragment.jpg)

As the skull fragment tumbles down we can see the same long edge which has the same depth as a piece of skull with sun reflecting off it's shiny surface.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJR17gn9/zapruder-bb-2.gif)

JohnM

Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Allan Fritzke on April 16, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
Going through my collection I found some interesting graphics that prove all sorts of things.

This autopsy photo showing the irregular torn scalp matches the same injury as seen in the Moorman photo.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L59BncHv/matching-Moorman-with-autopsy-photo.gif)

This forensic simulation using a replica ballistic head demonstrates a similar result to what is seen in Zapruder.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLxDz6Fy/6thfloorsimulationgif.gif)

For any rational sane person the fact that the Nix film shows the exact same event from a completely different perspective proves the Zapruder film is 100% authentic!

(https://i.postimg.cc/qqbczZ6V/quick-jerk-h-GIFSoupcom.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9fbcWQG0/Nix-and-Zapruder.gif) (https://postimages.org/)

The first eyewitnesses who saw the assassination from right up close ALL describe the exact same expulsion of matter as seen in the authenticated Zapruder Film.

(https://i.postimg.cc/JzPxZ4yJ/Dealey-plaza-first-eyewitnesses.gif)

In the centre frame in this Gif right next to Jackie's left shoulder, a piece of brain/skull is seen hurtling towards the floor.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8k4gZBg2/312-315headbonestableresized.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hvnzjT0B/limo-2a.jpg)

The blood spray dissipation seen in this hunting video is replicated in the Zapruder film.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwZC17K4/Blood-spray-dissipation-zapruder.gif)

JohnM

You have presented a very nice gif which does not match the autopsy picture.  According to the autopsy picture,  the scalp is hinged at the back and yet region covered with hair where it has come from!  It is not naturally rolling over the ear and down to the front, that requires a different hinge poitn.  When you look at the gif, the "scalp?" is falling towards the front and over the ear and not to the back where it appears to still be attached to on the autopsy picture.  Totally different hinge point from my perspective as to where it remains attached to the head.  Which do you choose as I fail to relate the images and find congruency.   The autopsy shows hair? across the region as well where the hinged piece is rolled back from.  Also curious where that excess hair is from across the wound?

If the autopsy is correct, it looks more like a storm gutter shot coming from street level, throwing the head back towards Jacqueline as the head moves in her direction.   This also would account for that hair you see moving up in the Nix Film flying towards Jacqueline when shot comes in.  I could argue the deposits on the seat between JFK and Jacqueline drop out from Z331 to Z337 (7 frames) just after the Z329/330  shot coming through the windshield. Obviously the windshield glass spray aberration across the black suited front passenger gets picked up by the light and becomes the meaningful tattletale in my conclusion.   Assuming same limo speed in both cases, 14 frames occurred before the rose disappears below the door frame.  Blood spots appear across Jacqueline's arm/dress background at Z330 and 7 frames later this material is below camera view door frame level.  Quite a difference in frames (7 vs 14) which leads me to believe you are looking at the roses in the first instance!

(https://i.postimg.cc/5yT8Gq9w/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-27-480.jpg)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on April 17, 2022, 03:51:57 AM
Doctoring of the Zapruder Film.  Here is a prime example. If they can do this here, where else can they do it and make it ingeniously blend in?  Note the flag and the waterspot just above it that turns to a fleshy color.

That's not a "waterspot". The Presidential flag was largely-bordered with gold-colored fringe. It's blurred in Z226 because the flag is being whipped by the wind and there's some camera blur.

(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1g-AYlHSXPNcFUI8ryWmn5a9KtpQ2zr2N)  (http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1kQ1X4OEUt5CU3A5LGOJKKquL5Qa_6RtE)

Quote
Was this a film spice, a license plate splice or cutting or an obscurement or movement of people in the scene? Maybe the feet in the scene should have been at the waterspot and match their shadow?

Maybe they were just obscuring the license plate numbers so you couldn't trace them!  Those definitely look like cut lines on Z225.

Would seem to be two random stress lines that ran parallel, that developed as the film aged. Wasn't in this Z225 image published in the 1960s. Probably the lines aren't in the 1963 copies of the film.

(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image39.jpg)

If you compare Z225 with a later frame, there are considerably less stress lines in the latter. Meaning Z225 was likely, in my opinion, stopped and studied while being shown in a projector. The Archives doesn't allow the film to be projected today.

(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1_DY-y0Q3rPOeYNEkfg6sNlrgBxWnvpzd)  (http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=14H46ftYNfsttUuNxnBOGifRGlrSscmaJ)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on April 17, 2022, 04:50:55 PM
Doctoring of the Zapruder Film.  Here is a prime example. If they can do this here, where else can they do it and make it ingeniously blend in?  Note the flag and the waterspot just above it that turns to a fleshy color.  Was this a film spice, a license plate splice or cutting or an obscurement or movement of people in the scene? Maybe the feet in the scene should have been at the waterspot and match their shadow?

(https://i.postimg.cc/qvpVtRY0/z225.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6pWgWP2p/z226.jpg)

Maybe they were just obscuring the license plate numbers so you couldn't trace them!  Those definitely look like cut lines on Z225.  Again, the background figures are hideous.  They appear to be clapping.  Well that could be, but they are also in the right place to make a presidential interception when JFK is right behind the sign and the first shot comes in.  It would work great having everyone's attention fixed on Cuban and the umbrella man on the other side of the road!   To make matters worse, those figures don't appear to be following the car with their gaze and the figure at the front quickly puts his hand directly behind his back.  Must have had an itchy spot!    Not sure what these characters were doing and who they were.  Garry Unger's picks up some black in those frames.  Anything cut or modified?  Thanks to Garry Unger's Pictures!  The others don't show the shadows!  The stance doesn't match the body position either!


(https://i.postimg.cc/h4J7w42S/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-076.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkVySk0x/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-110.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ncFMxHkj/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-276.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PcDws4H/The-Zapruder-Film-mp4-snapshot-00-07-22-610.jpg)

It would be interesting to see a gif zoomed on these characters!

  Here's something that will help you.  The film has never been "doctored" by anyone.  It is what it is and was when Zapruder made the film on 11/22/1963..  Copies of the film were made on the day of the assassination at the time the film was developed.  Two copies were given to the Secret Service, and Zapruder retained one copy for himself--only because it contained a lot of family film before it reached 11/22/1963.   Robert Groden released a video in 1996 titled "The Assassination Films" on VHS.  Within the video is the undamaged copy of the film, with no frames missing, no mold spots (Which is what is seen in the original), just a clean copy of the film.  Naturally, it isn't AS clear and sharp as the original, but it is clear enough.  I believe the DVD release of the video is under the title The Assassination Files" now. However, the DVD is inferior to the VHS copy, due to Groden having copied the VHS version onto DVD, where a LOT of clarity and sharpness is lost compared to the VHS, which is no longer in circulation, and is extremely hard to find.  Stupidly, I sold my copy of the VHS to a gentleman who is/was a member of this forum within the last few years because he said he needed it for a project, and not knowing that the VHS was out of circulation and out of print-I let it go fo a mere $20.00.  He, meanwhile, told me that he would send me a sample of what his project was.  He left the forum and I never saw what he was working on.  It was then that I realized that I should never have sold my VHS copy of the video.  At least you can still find the DVD version on Amazon.  https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Assassination-Files-Case-Conspiracy/dp/B0000DC14U 
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on May 24, 2022, 12:59:08 AM
Over at the Ed Forum they are jizzing over this Zapruder frame(the insert) showing the back of Kennedy's head which looks to have a black patch and this image has supposedly been logarithmically colour corrected from a iirc a third generational copy but the colours and contrast have been favourably enhanced to exaggerate this patch, for instance the grass and basically everything else has a red tinge.
Kennedy's hair was short and appeared dark at the back and on the sides, and was longer and lighter on top.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2y1wG6V7/zap-origga2.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on May 30, 2022, 04:59:05 PM
Look, until someone comes up with some rational, plausible explanations for the physical impossibilities that the current Z film contains, no one can credibly claim that the film has been proved authentic.

When you point out some of these impossibilities to the film's defenders, they usually claim that they just don't see them in the first place, such as the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Paul J Cummings on May 30, 2022, 08:41:58 PM
Hopefully some day technology will allow to see where the direction of the bullets came from. TBH I'm about done with the Zapruder film unless some known experts retake a look at it with new tech to see things.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Tom Scully on June 06, 2022, 11:52:13 PM
John Mytton seems to come on routinely as the chief cook and bottle washer around here.
Yes...seriously.
Dan Rather was among the privileged few press correspondents that were given a private showing of the film back when it was solely in the hands of the Time-Life outfit. Few know what he reported..."Upon viewing the president's head shot---JFK could be seen slumping forward." Is that what we see in that film? Maybe he saw a different copy? ???

There is an interview transcript of Dan Rather that, if it is verifiable, makes a strong case for there being no incontrovertible
chain of custody of the Zapruder Film in between its removal from Zapruder's camera to Richard Stolley taking possession
of it.

Interesting comments from the "Transcript of HSCA Critics' Conference of 17 Sep 1977"
(My comment: It is almost as if Henry Wade cooperated in the "lockdown" of the Zapruder Film by avoiding subpoenaing it into evidence)
...Dallas Police were legally the investigating agency of a state crime, murder, but were not provided with a copy of the Zapruder Film, evidence somehow controlled by a private company, Time-Life. Thompson contradicts Mary Ferrell's opinion that the Zapruder film was developed by Jamieson Film Labs, mention is made of Dan Rather's unique claims in his then new book, conflicting with Forest Sorrel's WC testimony, Ms. Ferrell shares that "an old Chrysler Vice-President" she hosted in 1968, recalled visiting Jamieson in late 1963 because his sister worked there and viewing a copy of the Zapruder film. His sister had a copy, "all of them had copies of it." :
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10375#relPageId=148

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https://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2015/05/dan-rather-tales.html
By Linda Minor - May 28, 2022
"...Is it not a strange coincidence that Herskowitz, chosen to write Dan's book, The Camera Never Blinks, which was published in 1976, would later work for the Bush family? Perhaps not, considering the closeness of Prescott Bush to the CBS founder, William S. Paley. Consider this small detail from IMDb's biography of George H. W. Bush:
Prescott Bush (Yale 1917) made his fortune and name as an investment banker on Wall St., eventually becoming a partner of the white shoe brokerage Brown Bros. Harriman. He was a member of the Yale Corp., the principal governing body of Yale University, from 1944 to 1956 and was on the board of directors of the Columbia Broadcasting System (C.B.S.), after having been introduced to C.B.S. Chairman William Paley in 1932 by his friend and business partner [in investment bank, Brown Brothers Harriman] Averell Harriman, a major Democratic party power-broker.


C.D. Jackson, who headed Time, Inc., which owned Life magazine, had handled intelligence and propaganda assignments during WWII. In 1943 he was in Turkey for the State Department and Board of Economic Warfare before going to the Office of War Information with his friend William Paley. They were both assigned to Eisenhower’s command in Europe to operate the Psychological Warfare Branch of the Army.

After the 1952 election Jackson became Eisenhower’s special assistant for cold war planning and, while on leave from Fortune, a Luce publication, he handled clandestine propaganda operations in Eastern Europe within the National Committee for a Free Europe. He also participated in the report prepared by William Harding Jackson (no relation), which resulted in reorganizing Truman’s Psychological Strategy Board into a new “Operations Coordinating Board” within the National Security Council. [See Michael S. Mayer, The Eisenhower Years (2009).]

Walter Cronkite had been placed in charge of the CBS Evening News in 1962. Also a Texan, Cronkite had graduated from San Jacinto High School in Houston in 1933 before attending the University of Texas for just over two years, dropping out in 1935. ...

As recently as 18 years ago, Dan Rather was on record claiming to have had sole custody of the original, preprocessed
Zapruder film as well as immediately after it was processed, to the extent he claimed to have passed up the opportunity to make a copy for himself / CBS, as well as to view the processed film before it went into the post processed possession of Zapruder. Rather's excuses were that it would have been illegal and unethical.

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Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Marjan Rynkiewicz on June 07, 2022, 01:08:59 AM
:D

The larger piece of skull seems to be a match to the Limo skull gif.

(https://i.ibb.co/8Pr1qR3/Triangular-skull-fragment.jpg)
This is the first time that i have seen any mention that the Zapruder footage shows that chunk of spinning skull. Made my day. Good job.
I guess that the chunk shows up very well koz it bounced offa Connally's seat (& praps the limo) & then hung in the air for a while.
Has there been any mention that the small circled area possibly shows the damage/hole made by the exiting remnant of Hickey's AR15 slug?
The slug veered say 6 deg inside the skull & then made a spider crack in the windshield glass just left of the mirror.
After which the slug probly bounced backwards out of the limo & out onto the street, & was never found.
Or, it was found inside the limo, & was kept secret.

Silly me. I was starting to think that the chunk of skull would surely have been found by Hicky when he was picking up his say 6 smelly hot empty casings offa the floor on that side of the limo, & then i realized that he was in the Queen Mary not the jfklimo. Silly me. I am getting old.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on August 06, 2022, 08:52:10 PM
When someone explains the technical indications of alteration in the Zapruder film, then we can proceed from there. But so far the film's defenders have been unable to explain those indications.

And then there's the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son, which has been discussed in detail. I continue to challenge anyone to do a reenactment with a child of the same approximate height and weight and show that those movements can be carried out in the time they are done in the film. It's impossible. I tried with one of my sons. He could not even come close to duplicating those movements in the required amount of time.

Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on August 06, 2022, 09:53:35 PM
When someone explains the technical indications of alteration in the Zapruder film, then we can proceed from there. But so far the film's defenders have been unable to explain those indications.

And then there's the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son, which has been discussed in detail. I continue to challenge anyone to do a reenactment with a child of the same approximate height and weight and show that those movements can be carried out in the time they are done in the film. It's impossible. I tried with one of my sons. He could not even come close to duplicating those movements in the required amount of time.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv2ZBwL7/Brehm-Zaprudera.gif)
(John Mytton)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Joe Elliott on August 08, 2022, 04:10:21 AM

Look, until someone comes up with some rational, plausible explanations for the physical impossibilities that the current Z film contains, no one can credibly claim that the film has been proved authentic.

When you point out some of these impossibilities to the film's defenders, they usually claim that they just don't see them in the first place, such as the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son.

When someone explains the technical indications of alteration in the Zapruder film, then we can proceed from there. But so far the film's defenders have been unable to explain those indications.

And then there's the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son, which has been discussed in detail. I continue to challenge anyone to do a reenactment with a child of the same approximate height and weight and show that those movements can be carried out in the time they are done in the film. It's impossible. I tried with one of my sons. He could not even come close to duplicating those movements in the required amount of time.

(https://i.postimg.cc/zv2ZBwL7/Brehm-Zaprudera.gif)
(John Mytton)

It seems us LNers, like John Mytton, Jerry Organ and myself, are limited by our inability to see things that aren’t there. I can assure you, at least for myself, I really don’t see any ‘impossibly fast’ movement from Charles Brehm’s son. I’m not pretending I don’t. I just don’t see it.

Questions for Michael T. Griffith:

Exactly, what is it about Charles Brehm’s son’s motion that is impossibly fast? The speed his torso moves? His arms speed? His hands speed? What?

Which post have you discussed this in detail before?

Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on August 08, 2022, 07:25:48 PM
It seems us LNers, like John Mytton, Jerry Organ and myself, are limited by our inability to see things that aren’t there. I can assure you, at least for myself, I really don’t see any ‘impossibly fast’ movement from Charles Brehm’s son. I’m not pretending I don’t. I just don’t see it.

Questions for Michael T. Griffith:

Exactly, what is it about Charles Brehm’s son’s motion that is impossibly fast? The speed his torso moves? His arms speed? His hands speed? What?

Which post have you discussed this in detail before?


  I am wondering the same thing, Joe.  I watched this Z film clip provided by Jerry, and then I went to watch it in the Marie Muchmore film, and I see nothing indicating any "Impossibly fast" movement by Joe Brehm either.  I also noticed as the limousine passes him, Chuck Brehm leans to his left as the car passes, putting his weight on his left leg, and this is all occurring as Joe Brehm steps out from behind his dad.  But, I agree with you.  Nothing "Impossibly fast" regarding Joe Brehm stepping out from behind his dad at all.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on August 08, 2022, 08:14:38 PM
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/ZMN2_frame_0008.jpg)  (https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/ZMN2_frame_0009.jpg)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/ZMN2_frame_0010.jpg)  (https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/ZMN2_frame_0011.jpg)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/ZMN2_frame_0012.jpg)  (https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/ZMN2_frame_0013.jpg)


Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Joe Elliott on August 09, 2022, 02:06:29 AM
  I am wondering the same thing, Joe.  I watched this Z film clip provided by Jerry, and then I went to watch it in the Marie Muchmore film, and I see nothing indicating any "Impossibly fast" movement by Joe Brehm either.  I also noticed as the limousine passes him, Chuck Brehm leans to his left as the car passes, putting his weight on his left leg, and this is all occurring as Joe Brehm steps out from behind his dad.  But, I agree with you.  Nothing "Impossibly fast" regarding Joe Brehm stepping out from behind his dad at all.

Yes. I don't see any impossible movement by Charles Brehm's son. I think that the problem with us LNers is that we lack imagination. I wonder what the world would be like if I could see the things that Michael sees.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Joe Elliott on August 09, 2022, 02:10:22 AM
When someone explains the technical indications of alteration in the Zapruder film, then we can proceed from there. But so far the film's defenders have been unable to explain those indications.

And then there's the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son, which has been discussed in detail. I continue to challenge anyone to do a reenactment with a child of the same approximate height and weight and show that those movements can be carried out in the time they are done in the film. It's impossible. I tried with one of my sons. He could not even come close to duplicating those movements in the required amount of time.

A typical parent's response. It's always the other guy's kid who are super-hyperactive. Never their own.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Joe Elliott on August 09, 2022, 02:40:17 AM

When someone explains the technical indications of alteration in the Zapruder film, then we can proceed from there. But so far the film's defenders have been unable to explain those indications.

And then there's the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son, which has been discussed in detail. I continue to challenge anyone to do a reenactment with a child of the same approximate height and weight and show that those movements can be carried out in the time they are done in the film. It's impossible. I tried with one of my sons. He could not even come close to duplicating those movements in the required amount of time.

In addition, not only does Charles Brehm’s son not show any ‘impossibly fast’ movement, Michael Griffith never explains why the people who altered the Zapruder film, wouldn’t just show his son without any modification. Why was it necessary to doctor with the images of the son?

Was he picking his nose? Holding a sign saying “Oswald is just a patsy”?

It should be noted, that these “Zapruder film was altered” theorists, usually point out alleged changes that serve no purpose.

Like showing Charles Brehm’s son moving with impossible speed. Or showing Jean Hill and Mary Moorman standing on the grass when both had really stepped onto the road. None of these alleged alterations make any sense. Why would they have made them? This is a question that is never addressed.

It would make more sense to falsely claim the Zapruder film was altered to show JFK’s head initially (z312-z313) moving forward, and the blood and brains splatter being directed forward (frame z313), to make it appear the headshot came from behind. I think this is done because they don’t want to admit that the Zapruder film, in any way, indicates the head shot came from behind. And that is why the “Zapruder film was altered” theorists tend to focus on alleged alterations that make no sense. That don’t help the Lone Gunman narrative. That have no reason for these alterations being made in the first place.

I would like Michael to provide a plausible motive for those who made the alternations for doing so. Something better than “Who knows why they did this. They must have been crazy.”
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Dan O'meara on August 09, 2022, 09:32:13 AM
It seems us LNers, like John Mytton, Jerry Organ and myself, are limited by our inability to see things that aren’t there. I can assure you, at least for myself, I really don’t see any ‘impossibly fast’ movement from Charles Brehm’s son. I’m not pretending I don’t. I just don’t see it.

Questions for Michael T. Griffith:

Exactly, what is it about Charles Brehm’s son’s motion that is impossibly fast? The speed his torso moves? His arms speed? His hands speed? What?

Which post have you discussed this in detail before?


Just for the record, there are CTers, like myself, who struggle to see these things also.
There is no impossibly fast motion.
Great spot by Steve Barber about Brehm shifting his weight to his left leg and rocking slightly in that direction, possibly "amplifying" the speed Brehm's son appears.
But no impossible movements. In fact, it looks completely ordinary and one has to wonder what the Alterationists are on.

Read the Zavada report Mr Griffiths.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on August 09, 2022, 01:42:46 PM
Like showing Charles Brehm’s son moving with impossible speed. Or showing Jean Hill and Mary Moorman standing on the grass when both had really stepped onto the road. None of these alleged alterations make any sense. Why would they have made them? This is a question that is never addressed.

I believe the alterationists might think "sideline" elements like Brehm's son indicate the forgers were doing something with the original film's frames (adding/subtracting/creating a new blended frame?) such that minor mis-registration occurred that were overlooked in the haste to forge the film. Decades later, zen-like CT super-sleuths were able to divine "clues" that eluded the stupid authorities and their compliant toadies, the LNers.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on August 14, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
Oh, boy. You are years behind the information curve. Have you heard about the group of Hollywood film experts who have identified numerous indications of alteration in the Zapruder film? Have you looked at David Mantik and Doug Horne's presentations on clear, compelling evidence of alteration?

Here's just one indication for you: In the Z film, the cloud of blood and brain matter disappears far too quickly, impossibly quickly. Tests have proved that this cloud should have remained visible for at least six frames, but it vanishes in less than two frames. That is physically impossible.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on August 14, 2022, 02:57:59 PM
Oh, boy. You are years behind the information curve. Have you heard about the group of Hollywood film experts who have identified numerous indications of alteration in the Zapruder film? Have you looked at David Mantik and Doug Horne's presentations on clear, compelling evidence of alteration?

If by Hollywood, you mean Ollie Stone, forget it. Mantik and Horne are fruitcakes.

Quote
Here's just one indication for you: In the Z film, the cloud of blood and brain matter disappears far too quickly, impossibly quickly. Tests have proved that this cloud should have remained visible for at least six frames, but it vanishes in less than two frames. That is physically impossible.

Nice deflection and dodge. I take it you concede you were wrong with your claim about "the impossibly fast movement of Brehm's son".
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Andrew Mason on August 14, 2022, 05:22:10 PM

Here's just one indication for you: In the Z film, the cloud of blood and brain matter disappears far too quickly, impossibly quickly. Tests have proved that this cloud should have remained visible for at least six frames, but it vanishes in less than two frames. That is physically impossible.
The speed of the particles and  droplets has to be taken into account. In the time that z313 was exposed-25 ms-some of the parts of the cloud had travelled 3 feet. In another 5 full frames or 275 ms. they would have gone 33 feet farther. (We know that brain and blood covered the car hood). The cloud did not go away. It just expanded rapidly and no longer look like a cloud.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: John Mytton on August 14, 2022, 11:51:44 PM
Oh, boy. You are years behind the information curve. Have you heard about the group of Hollywood film experts who have identified numerous indications of alteration in the Zapruder film? Have you looked at David Mantik and Doug Horne's presentations on clear, compelling evidence of alteration?

Here's just one indication for you: In the Z film, the cloud of blood and brain matter disappears far too quickly, impossibly quickly. Tests have proved that this cloud should have remained visible for at least six frames, but it vanishes in less than two frames. That is physically impossible.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RFWcZvxn/stoopidroyell-zpshwxaqi1w.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on August 15, 2022, 12:38:30 AM
If by Hollywood, you mean Ollie Stone, forget it. Mantik and Horne are fruitcakes.
I wouldn't call you a fruitcake... mainly because there is no apparent presence of berries.. nuts..or any such produce that is otherwise palatable.
You might stop calling those with whom you disagree these adverse labels [kook, nut, quack etc]--- after a fashion...it becomes extremely juvenile.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on August 16, 2022, 01:41:38 AM
Oh, boy. You are years behind the information curve. Have you heard about the group of Hollywood film experts who have identified numerous indications of alteration in the Zapruder film? Have you looked at David Mantik and Doug Horne's presentations on clear, compelling evidence of alteration?

Here's just one indication for you: In the Z film, the cloud of blood and brain matter disappears far too quickly, impossibly quickly. Tests have proved that this cloud should have remained visible for at least six frames, but it vanishes in less than two frames. That is physically impossible.

 Totally false.   The cloud we see coming off the head would never last that long in the film frames with the 15-25MPH wind speed that was blowing in DP that day.  The wind blew the matter to rear, onto Hargis, Martin--plus they rode into to it, and some of it landed on the trunk lid.  The majority (heavier) matter went forward all over the car, the Connally's, Greer, Kellerman, the windshield, the sun visors (both sides of the right visor), the hood of the car, the side rails and the interior, and not to mention what would have landed in the street.  Skull fragments from the top pf President Kennedy's head landed several yards away, SW of the car at the time of the fatal shot, and these were picked up by 3 different people.  Seymour Weitzman, David Burris,, and Billy Harper.  The Burros and Harper fragments were turned over to the authorities.  The Burros fragment was shipped in a small Neiman-Markus box to Washington and given to George Burkely.  These skull fragments can clearly be seen flying high above the limousine at the time of the fatal shot, at a speed of 80+ MPH, according to Dr. John Lattimer.  The speed can be calculated by viewing the Zapruder film.  The same fragments can clearly be seen in high contrast, clear prints of the Orville Nix film as well as the Marie Muchmore film, which coincide with the Zapruder film. 
 
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Tim Nickerson on August 19, 2022, 03:52:02 AM
Oh, boy. You are years behind the information curve. Have you heard about the group of Hollywood film experts who have identified numerous indications of alteration in the Zapruder film? Have you looked at David Mantik and Doug Horne's presentations on clear, compelling evidence of alteration?

Here's just one indication for you: In the Z film, the cloud of blood and brain matter disappears far too quickly, impossibly quickly. Tests have proved that this cloud should have remained visible for at least six frames, but it vanishes in less than two frames. That is physically impossible.

Who are those Hollywood film experts? What are their names and where can we view their analysis of the Zapruder film?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on August 25, 2022, 12:44:53 AM
I take it you haven't heard about the numerous Hollywood film experts who examined logarithmic color scans from a 35 mm negative of the Zapruder film and concluded there are black patches or crude animations that obscure the back of JFK's head?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Bill Chapman on August 25, 2022, 01:22:28 AM
I take it you haven't heard about the numerous Hollywood film experts who examined logarithmic color scans from a 35 mm negative of the Zapruder film and concluded there are black patches or crude animations that obscure the back of JFK's head?

Strong sunshine creates deep shadow on the opposite side of objects, including Kennedy,
which in turn cast shadows on other objects and the ground

No pink mist is going to stand up against a car moving at speed and into a gusting wind

You seem to have missed a few basics
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on August 25, 2022, 01:38:08 AM
They must have put the same "patches" over the head in the Muchmore film and Moorman photo. :D

What did these unnamed "experts" say about the Brehm lad and "magically" disappearing head shot debris cloud?
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Freeman on August 25, 2022, 02:53:53 AM
I don't think that film was altered.
It shows enough that should convince anyone that the major wound to the head was just like most folks described as they saw it.
JFK was struck between the right eye and the right ear.
Perhaps an instant before that shot was a bullet square to the back of the head that caused a slight forward bob.
It is a wonder that the film wasn't "LOST".

(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z317.jpg)
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on September 03, 2022, 05:24:52 PM
I don't think that film was altered.
It shows enough that should convince anyone that the major wound to the head was just like most folks described as they saw it.
JFK was struck between the right eye and the right ear.
Perhaps an instant before that shot was a bullet square to the back of the head that caused a slight forward bob.
It is a wonder that the film wasn't "LOST".

(https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z317.jpg)

 Hi Jerry,

  I think people mistook/mistake the large skull flap hanging over the temple and side of the head, in front of-and over the ear for the head wound.
The massive exit hole is on top of the head, and the large skull flap is still attached to head by scalp.  Mrs. Kennedy put the loose skull back into place on the way to Parkland-and I base this on what she told Theodore White within 7 days of the assassination, during her interview with him.  She said that she was "I kept trying to keep the top of his head down...maybe I could keep it (his brain) in".   
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Jerry Organ on September 03, 2022, 05:53:05 PM
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1S-vVZ5DytkKdir6Fu7FrlPrclVI9Rxjb)

With the "Devil's Ear" hinged bone flap closed, the gaping area was a bit above the right ear and reached to the apex. It was also largely rearward from a line drawn (anatomical-vertical) ear-to-ear over the apex.
Title: Re: Simple proof that the Zapruder film is 100% Authentic!
Post by: Steve Barber on September 12, 2022, 05:32:58 PM
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1S-vVZ5DytkKdir6Fu7FrlPrclVI9Rxjb)

With the "Devil's Ear" hinged bone flap closed, the gaping area was a bit above the right ear and reached to the apex. It was also largely rearward from a line drawn (anatomical-vertical) ear-to-ear over the apex.

  Nearly the entire top of JFK's head was blasted off.  The hole extends clear up to the front of the skull as this gif clearly shows.

  <iframe class="imgur-embed" width="100%" height="756" frameborder="0" src="embed"></iframe>

   
    (https://i.imgur.com/yw7XhuY.jpg)