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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Lee Wotton on March 04, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
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Dorothy Kilgallen interviewed Jack Ruby and was investigating the JFK assassination when she died. This was following a trip to New Orleans and a second trip planned very shortly. The second trip was to fill in some gaps in her ever growing JFK assassination research file an provide a full story to be published telling the whole story of the plot and the people behind it. This included a definite link between Oswald, Ruby and Carlos Marcello.
Dorothy died of an overdose of sleeping tablets and alcohol. However, there were 3 types of drug found in her body and she only ever had a prescription for one of them. The others were lethal in combination and one of those is used in some states for the death penalty. A small amount of alcohol with this combination would have been lethal.
Earlier that night she was seen in the Regency Hotel NYC with a younger man believed to have been Ron Pataky. She was found dead in a be she didn't normally sleep in at her home.
Who was Ron Pataky? Some say he had mob ties and also tie to government agencies?
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Kilgallen's exclusive interview with Ruby gave her information that had her travel to New Orleans. Upon her return she declared to close friends that she'd cracked the case and knew who had killed JFK. She was due to return to New Orleans but shortly before she died / was killed. Ron Pataky was the person that got close to her and reported back what she knew. It was too much and she died and her JFK research files vanished.
Who was in New Orleans with the biggest motive against the Kennedy's, particularly RFK, Carlos Marcello. There you have the connection between Oswald, Ferrie, Shaw, Banister and Ruby. Oh and George Johanides; AMPSELL
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Kilgallen was due to meet a source in New Orleans but was killed before she could make the second trip to New Orleans. She told people she was meeting a source who she didn't know but would recognise. Any suggestions who this may have been?
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Kilgallen was due to meet a source in New Orleans but was killed before she could make the second trip to New Orleans. She told people she was meeting a source who she didn't know but would recognise. Any suggestions who this may have been?
I believe Pataky did murder Kilgallen..... as directed by J.Edgar.
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Walt, I agree. What do you think she was on to in New Oreans? Linking Ruby, Oswald and Marcello? Whoever the source was she would have met at the second visit had she not been killed was likely killed too around the same time and then they went for Ruby.
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If Hoover did direct the hit on Dorothy Kilgallen, he was directed to do so by Marcello. The mob owned Hoover.
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If Hoover did direct the hit on Dorothy Kilgallen, he was directed to do so by Marcello. The mob owned Hoover.
I don't believe that anybody could control Hoover..... He was the ultimate "god father" . He pulled the strings and his puppets danced.
It's possible that Killgallen was going to meet Marcello in New Orleans.
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Not a single supporting link has been posted yet in this thread, but we have Walt's opinion. Thanks, Walt! One question, do you suspect Hoover paid or leaned on Dr. Luke to plant disinfo in "deep state, fake news" NY Times, or was it Marcello?
November, 1965 :
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenJamesLuke16Nov1965.jpg)
December, 1966:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenJamesLuke14Dec1966.jpg)
Homicide detectives will tell you the first person to clear of suspicion, or not, is the spouse.:
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59 weeks after Dorothy's sudden death..... Kollmar publicly escorts Fogarty
19 months after Dorothy's sudden death..... Kollmar and Fogarty are honeymooning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Fogarty#Personal_life_and_death
Personal life and death[edit]
Fogarty had two children with her first husband, Tom Fogarty. They were married for over 17 years, with Tom Fogarty working as an art teacher at Pratt Institute, New York.[15][16] The marriage ended in divorce.
In 1967, Anne Fogarty married Richard Kollmar, Dorothy Kilgallen's widower. According to a 1971 interview Fogarty did with the syndicated newspaper columnist Marian Christy, Kollmar broke his shoulder in an accident at home on New Year's Day 1971, which caused a blood clot to develop, and he died "a month later" on Anne's birthday.[4] The New York Times, The Washington Post and other newspapers, however, ran obituaries for Kollmar on January 9 and 10 of that year.[17][18] The Post reported on January 10 that Kollmar had "died in his sleep late Thursday [January 7]."[18]
Fogarty was married a third time in 1977, to Wade O'Hara, but this marriage ended in divorce.[19] She died of a heart attack in New York on January 15, 1980.[11]
The money angle, the townhouse was deeded in Dorothy's name.
Deed records also indicate this woman lived on repeated loans she took out on this property during her relatively brief ownership.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenManyaKahnFlip.jpg)
The "newly weds" repurchased the townhouse, despite Dorothy dying in it, and moved back in.
Richard "fell" down a staircase, resulting in a head injury caused coma, and soon died. His new wife continued to reside there despite the place being the scene of both Dorothy's and Richard's untimely deaths....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kollmar#Death
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On January 7, 1971, Kollmar died at his Manhattan home.[2][34] Newspaper reports stated that he "died in his sleep late Thursday in his New York home."[34] According to his friends, he had broken his shoulder after falling at his home on January 4, three days before his death.[2][35]
His funeral was held on January 9 at St. Vincent Ferrer Church in Manhattan.[35] Kollmar is buried in Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Hawthorne, New York.
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What a lot of people don't know is that Hoover was gay. The mob had pictures of Hoover and his boy friend Tolson in very compromising situations, I have seen one of the pictures. Yes the mob owned Hoover. Hoover provided all the information to the WC so he could cherry pick what the WC saw. He was able to divert the attention away from the mob. Hoover had been seen with Frank Costello at race track.
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What a lot of people don't know is that Hoover was gay. The mob had pictures of Hoover and his boy friend Tolson in very compromising situations, I have seen one of the pictures. Yes the mob owned Hoover. Hoover provided all the information to the WC so he could cherry pick what the WC saw. He was able to divert the attention away from the mob. Hoover had been seen with Frank Costello at race track.
The mob ( mafia) did not control Hoover..... It was a mutual admiration society......
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Now it would be hard to say what the control the mob had over Hoover but with the pictures the mob had, they controlled what he did with the mob.
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What a lot of people don't know is that Hoover was gay.....
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Except the abwehr, the kgb, the American press, every other gay male, every savvy US politician, every other adult who was paying attention.
Hoover flaunted it, in a "oh yeah, what are you gonna do about it?" intimidating sort of way!
(http://jfkforum.com/images/HooverNobodyKnew.jpg)
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Except the abwehr, the kgb, the American press, every other gay male, every savvy US politician, every other adult who was paying attention.
Hoover flaunted it, in a "oh yeah, what are you gonna do about it?" intimidating sort of way!
(http://jfkforum.com/images/HooverNobodyKnew.jpg)
This no point in arguing with this guy...... He's a newbie and learned it all on The History channel.....
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This no point in arguing with this guy...... He's a newbie and learned it all on The History channel.....
Walt, I'm illustrating public perceptions. You assume everyone of the 1920's through the 1970s were clueless idiots.
(https://smartauthorsitesmain.com/kenackerman/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/HooverTolson2.jpg)
Too bad they couldn't sit side by side in this one, but Tolson, hands on the chair and staring down adoringly, is certainly not left out.
(https://smartauthorsitesmain.com/kenackerman/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/HooverTolson4.jpg)
(https://smartauthorsitesmain.com/kenackerman/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/hoover_tolson.jpg)
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All you need to know, copy of a NY state court petition of just six months ago, on Oct. 15, 2019. Dorothy's mother accused Kilgallen's husband, Kollmar at the funeral, Pataky must be ordered by the court to provide a DNA sample because his description of where he was the night Dorothy died is inconsistent. Both Kilgallen's and Kollmar's bodies must exhumed so Cyril Wecht, age 89, can examine them. By page eight, you'll learn the justification for exhuming Kollmar's remains.
Pages one through ten will lure you in further.:
https://www.markshawbooks.com/assets/docs/61758_2019__PETITION__AMENDED__16.pdf
From page 33 ….
V. VALIDITY OF DECADES OLD DNA TESTING RESULTS
Recently, the nationally-acclaimed Dr. Cyril Wecht, M.D., J.D., a leading American forensic pathologist and former president of both the American Academy of Forensic Science and the American College of Legal Medicine, who currently heads the board of trustees of the American Board of Legal Medicine, stated to petitioner:
I have determined that DNA testing has been accomplished successfully on embalmed bodies, although not as long as 50 years. However, it would
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be a legitimate endeavor and if successful from Dorothy Kilgallen's remains, I would be willing to perform the post-mortem exam to acquire biological material for DNA testing.
This statement from Dr. Wecht (http://www.cyrilwecht.com/ ), a respected expert in his field who consulted on cases involving Elvis Presley, O. J. Simpson, and Jon Benet Ramsey, provides legitimacy for this petitioner’s quest for the truth, exemplifying the basis for there being no viable reason why a proper DNA sample cannot be retrieved from Dorothy Kilgallen’s and Richard Kollmar’s remains and then be used in comparison with each of these samples and the one taken from Ron Pataky. Despite the time lapse from the date of her death, it is reasonable to believe that because of the disturbing circumstances surrounding the discovery of Kilgallen’s body, the botched autopsy, and the potential that improper embalming and preparation for her funeral may have occurred, DNA could very well still be present on her remains, which means the aged DNA could still be useful as was older DNA in the New York case, People v. Parrilla (see Section VI). Such circumstances exist in light of the confusing state of affairs, both immediately after Kilgallen’s body was discovered during the wee hours of November 8, 1965, up to, and including when she was buried three days later, with media reports accounting for much of the confusion since the discovery of Kilgallen’s dead body was said to have happened twice, by different people at two different times at her lavish townhouse. Since there was no investigation despite facts pointing to a homicide, including the apparent staged death scene, the confusion then extended to the autopsy performed by Medical Examiner Dr. James Luke on the same day she died. This confusion then extends to Kilgallen’s funeral where family members squabbled over the details of her burial, especially since her mother believed husband Richard was responsible for Kilgallen’s death stating, “You killed my daughter and I will prove it.” This allegation was never investigated. Without question, it was troubling that the Medical Examiner was called from the Brooklyn office, not the Manhattan office nearer to where Kilgallen died. No primary source evidence exists as to why this happened or why Dr. Luke
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appeared at the townhouse, although facts revealed in this Section may shed some light on the matter.
My opinion is that authr Shaw's petition is poorly researched....
The reason is simple. There were problems at that time in NYC borough morgues and attempts were being made to iron them out....
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/01/archives/autopsy-report-on-slaying-erred-indicated-a-woman-shot-to-death-had.html
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenMedExaminer1964changeNYT_1of3.jpg)
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(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenJamesLuke16Nov1965.jpg)
"An assistant [unnamed] medical examiner reports...."
Why didn't the chief medical examiner step into this for a case involving a celebrated journalist?
"A moderate mixture of alcohol and barbiturates"? "The quantities" [involved] were not excessive..."
Not excessive? Then how come she died?
Like there was some booze and drugs left over?
If it really was suicide, why not step it up with everything there is?
Dorothy didn't kill herself and neither did Marilyn.
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"An assistant [unnamed] medical examiner reports...."
Why didn't the chief medical examiner step into this for a case involving a celebrated journalist?
"A moderate mixture of alcohol and barbiturates"? "The quantities" [involved] were not excessive..."
Not excessive? Then how come she died?
Like there was some booze and drugs left over?
If it really was suicide, why not step it up with everything there is?
Dorothy didn't kill herself and neither did Marilyn.
You do not recognize that your own biases hobble fact seeking, or you are limiting yourself to confirmation bias.
I won't be disappointed if the facts lead me to presenting evidence to readers that Ms. Kilgallen was murdered. For now, I can't prove that she was. I do know she was a successful self promoter and structured her syndicated column to keep her readership and attract new readers. The newspapers her column appeared in were for profit enterprises dependent on advertising revenue dependent on circulation numbers.
In this regard her motives were similar to Penn Jones's ..... promote, sensationalize. There is doubt, for example, Ms. Kilgallen was ever alone with Jack Ruby, in that actually, every word exchanged by the two was overheard.
Jerry, did you miss [unnamed] being named in the beginning of the second paragraph in the article image? In the April 1, 1964 NY Times article I excerpted above, Dr. Helpern stated that 510 autopsies had been performed in all five boroughs in 1963. Do you suspect less autopsies were being performed in NYC in 1965? Dr. Helpern had also said his goal was to shift all suspicious death associated autopsies to his First Ave. office.
The issue precipitating this policy change was that the gunshots in the first victim of this "animal" were missed during an autopsy conducted in Queens, and police had charged an innocent man in the murder of this "animal's" second victim.:
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/06/27/archives/trial-of-mitchell-ends-in-hung-jury.html
Trial of Mitchell Ends in Hung Jury
June 27, 1964
...It was learned that one juror had held out for the conviction of the 19‐year‐old Queens youth.
The case had been complicated by two confessions to the crime. Mitchell confessed, but later retracted his statement. Winston Moseley, a convicted murderer in another case, also confessed.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/nyregion/winston-moseley-81-killer-of-kitty-genovese-dies-in-prison.html
Winston Moseley, Who Killed Kitty Genovese, Dies in Prison at 81 - April 4, 2016
....He had been imprisoned for almost 52 years, since July 7, 1964, and was one of the state’s longest-serving inmates.
His life behind bars had been relatively eventful. Mr. Moseley was condemned to die in the electric chair, but in 1967, two years after New York State abolished most capital punishments, he won an appeal that reduced his sentence to an indeterminate life term. While at Attica Correctional Facility, in 1968, he escaped while on a hospital visit to Buffalo, raped a woman and held hostages at gunpoint before being recaptured. He joined in the 1971 Attica uprising; earned a college degree in 1977; and was rejected 18 times at parole hearings, the last time in 2015.
.....Mr. Moseley seemed an unlikely serial killer. Soft-spoken, intelligent, with no criminal record, he was 29, a married father of two who owned his home in South Ozone Park, Queens, and operated business machines in Mount Vernon, N.Y. Later, in confessions and testimony, he said he had driven around late at night seeking victims, and had killed three women, raped eight and committed 30 or 40 burglaries.....
Post an example of a 1960s autopsy performed by Chief M.E. Milton Helpern, himself. The Kilgallen autopsy was performed in Manhattan, according to the location description in the image below. I already provided explanation of the then recent centralization of suspected homicide autopsies. The result must have been less autopsies performed in Brooklyn, or can you document an alternative explanation? Dr. Baden was one of two who witnessed the autopsy.:
https://nypost.com/2016/12/04/dorothy-kilgallens-tell-all-on-a-mafia-don-might-have-got-her-killed/
Journalist’s tell-all on mobster tied to JFK might have gotten her killed
By Susan Edelman - December 4, 2016 | 6:46am
...Dr. Michael Baden, who later became the city’s chief medical examiner, told a prior author, Lee Israel, that the dosage in Kilgallen’s bloodstream was the stunning equivalent of “15 to 20” 100-milligram Seconal capsules.
“The amount of barbiturates was more than enough to kill her,” Baden confirmed to The Post. But, he said, cops ruled out suicide and found “nothing suspicious about the death. There was no suggestion that this was a homicide.”...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenAutopsyReportHeader.jpg)
I deliberately reign in my preconceived notions and my disciplined approach has provoked, in one of several examples, eliciting the contrast between facts seeking vs "over investment" in a particular belief system.: Doug Horne reacting to my research details he could not refute...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyHorneReacts.jpg)
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You do not recognize that your own biases hobble fact seeking, or you are limiting yourself to confirmation bias.
Actually, after nearly 60 years, how can much of anything be confirmed? Jerry, did you miss [unnamed] being named in the beginning of the second paragraph in the article image? Dr. Helpern had also said his goal was to shift all suspicious death associated autopsies to his First Ave. office.
I saw a name and forgot to erase unnamed [silly me] So this Dr Helpern just went ahead and sluffed off all the weird stuff huh?
Mr Scully likes to delve into news articles of this type...say perhaps exploring the mysterious disappearance of Warren Commission member and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs...a victim of the infamous Alaskan Triangle [so they say]
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Actually, after nearly 60 years, how can much of anything be confirmed? I saw a name and forgot to erase unnamed [silly me] So this Dr Helpern just went ahead and sluffed off all the weird stuff huh?
Mr Scully likes to delve into news articles of this type...say perhaps exploring the mysterious disappearance of Warren Commission member and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs...a victim of the infamous Alaskan Triangle [so they say]
Jerry, I regard you as a curious mix of CT and authoritarian. Please read the seven page .pdf at this link.:
https://web.williams.edu/Psychology/Faculty/Kassin/files/Kassin%20(2017)%20-%20Kitty%20Genovese.pdf
The Killing of Kitty Genovese: What Else
Does This Case Tell Us?
Saul M. Kassin - John Jay College of Criminal Justice - 2017
.....At (Alvin) Mitchell’s first trial, Moseley
recounted his depraved spree of violence—including the
step-by-step account of the late-night walk through the
Kralik house and murder. However, this time he refused
to talk: “I didn’t do it,” he testified, “and I don’t intend to
go into any explanation why.”
Mitchell could not catch a break. At 1:35 a.m. on March
12, 1965, after more than 11 hours of deliberation, the
jury convicted Mitchell—not of murder, but of firstdegree manslaughter. He served 12 years and 8 months
before being released. According to Mitchell, he was eligible for parole before then but was denied because he
would not express remorse.
At the time of his death in 2016, Moseley was at the
Clinton Correctional Facility in upstate New York. Three
years ago, embedded in a letter to Moseley from a former
inmate and friend of his, I asked him about the Kralik
murder. In light of all that I had uncovered, I had two
questions: Did you kill her, and why at Mitchell’s second
trial did you refuse to repeat the confession you had
given in excruciating detail five times before? ....
This is what the seven page paper excerpted above hints to me, about Jerry. Author Mark Shaw who filed the motion in October, 2019 to exhume the remains of Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband Richard Kollmar, claimed in the motion it was not clear why a Brooklyn Asst. M.E. had been assigned to perform the Kilgallen autopsy, since she had been found dead in Manhattan. However, the autopsy report describes the place of the autopsy as the 520 First Ave., Manhattan office of the Chief Medical Examiner.
I think Jerry and author Mark Shaw wish for something that did not exist in the 1963 - 1965 period, not in Dallas, and in the details documented in the link in the quote box above, very likely not in NYC, either.
Another excerpt:
...... Determined to defend Mitchell’s prior
confession to Kralik, police were relieved when Moseley
appeared to misstate how Annie Mae Johnson was killed
1 month earlier. He said he shot her twice in the stomach
and four times in the back with a .22-caliber rifle before
sexually assaulting her and setting fire to her house. But
the Medical Examiner had concluded that she died of
puncture wounds from an ice pick or some other sharp
object.
Moseley was confronted with this apparent inconsistency, but he stood by his story. To discredit him, and
thereby preserve the Mitchell prosecution, authorities
flew to Ms. Johnson’s home state of South Carolina,
where she was buried, and exhumed her body. To everyone’s astonishment, however, the local coroner confirmed
Moseley’s account. Ms. Johnson was shot six times with a
376 Kassin
.22 caliber rifle—just as he had said. Four bullets, detected
in X-rays, were removed from her body.
Although Moseley’s culpability in the Johnson murder
was beyond dispute, the Queens District Attorney never
prosecuted him for it—even while citing this gruesome
crime in a letter opposing his parole 47 years later. In that
letter, the Queens District Attorney’s Office described
Moseley as a “predator” with “an overwhelming compulsion to commit acts of violence” (Testagrossa, 2011).
Also astonishing is that despite Moseley’s newly demonstrated credibility (with confessions confirmed for
both Genovese and Johnson, he was 2 for 2 in baseball
terms), the already shaky prosecution of Mitchell for the
Kralik murder continued unabated. This decision was a
difficult one as the local press was suspicious of the
case. (For a retrospective first-hand account from the
prosecutor who convinced a reluctant D.A. to proceed,
see Skoller, 2008.) .....
Twenty-five years later, the conduct of police and prosecutors had not improved much, if the abuse of the Central Park Five is any guide.
Yet Donald Trump, who Jerry Freeman supports, Trump who was the most prominent prejudiced influence against the five at the time, still insists they deserved to be taken advantage of by authorities and have their lives ruined, despite the evidence as we now know it.
Dorothy Kilgallen was born on second base, Donald Trump, on third! My research informs me that members of organized crime and privileged individuals such as Kilgallen or Trump were among the few who were not taken advantage of by police and prosecutors because these accused were among the very few with resources and know how to contact timely representation by competent attorneys.
I had a close, late friend who was a NY State BCI senior investigator, forensics, who during his career participated in 800 murder investigations. Experiences he shared with me, along with details I linked to in the quote box above, influence me to say it is understandable why JFK's SS detail drew their guns rather than submit JFK's remains to local Dallas authorities and that Oswald never made it out of DPD's basement, alive!
If anything, FBI and federal prosecutors of the 1960s were likely more professional and motivated to seek and arrest those, in fact, guilty, than municipal or state police in most states.
Dorothy Kilgallen was a troubled person in 1965, in an unhappy marriage and abusing alcohol and prescribed depressants. The odds against her death being competently investigated, at the scene, during the autopsy, or later were astronomical.
@ 1:40...
My research indicates the autopsy was likely the most improved component, after she was found dead in a bed she never slept in. NYC cops and prosecutors wanted to clear cases, not seek new ones they likely intentionally tried to avoid a need to thoroughly investigate.
The rest: of the April 1, 1964 article I posted the first column of in a recent post.....
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/01/archives/autopsy-report-on-slaying-erred-indicated-a-woman-shot-to-death-had.html
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenMedExaminer1964changeNYT_2of3.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/KilgallenMedExaminer1964changeNYT_3of3.jpg)
Dorothy's final episode:
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Jerry, I regard you as a curious mix of CT and authoritarian.
It is not theoretical to have doubts.
Find anywhere that I ever stated a theory.Yet Donald Trump, who Jerry Freeman supports
Can you imagine Clinton up there with the virus outbreak going like it is? Can we say martial law?...Perhaps :-\ Besides, I am a Libertarian so there.
Author Mark Shaw who filed the motion in October, 2019...
I will post a video of a Shaw lecture.
Dorothy Kilgallen was a troubled person in 1965...
OK so they say.................
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Walt, I agree. What do you think she was on to in New Oreans? Linking Ruby, Oswald and Marcello? Whoever the source was she would have met at the second visit had she not been killed was likely killed too around the same time and then they went for Ruby.
It may be unbelievable for you.... But I believe that Dorthy K was going to meet Marcello..... Who may have thought that he could buy her silence.
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It is not theoretical to have doubts.
Find anywhere that I ever stated a theory.Can you imagine Clinton up there with the virus outbreak going like it is? Can we say martial law?...Perhaps :-\ Besides, I am a Libertarian so there. I will post a video of a Shaw lecture. OK so they say.................
Wow!!....The presentatation by Mark Shaw is facinating!!..... Thank you for posting it. Mark And I share exactly the same view of the " Sixth Floor"....
The Sixth Floor is a revolting ( nauseating ) public brainwashing facility ..... When I visited the Sixth Floor I felt nausea when I viewed ignorant unsuspecting suckers trooping through the "museum " and nodding their heads in agreement with the pure BS that was being spewed from the monitors.
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Dorothy Kilgallen interviewed Jack Ruby and was investigating the JFK assassination when she died. This was following a trip to New Orleans and a second trip planned very shortly. The second trip was to fill in some gaps in her ever growing JFK assassination research file an provide a full story to be published telling the whole story of the plot and the people behind it. This included a definite link between Oswald, Ruby and Carlos Marcello.
Dorothy died of an overdose of sleeping tablets and alcohol. However, there were 3 types of drug found in her body and she only ever had a prescription for one of them. The others were lethal in combination and one of those is used in some states for the death penalty. A small amount of alcohol with this combination would have been lethal.
Earlier that night she was seen in the Regency Hotel NYC with a younger man believed to have been Ron Pataky. She was found dead in a be she didn't normally sleep in at her home.
Who was Ron Pataky? Some say he had mob ties and also tie to government agencies?
DK NEVER interviewed JR. Period.
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I believe Pataky did murder Kilgallen..... as directed by J.Edgar.
Belief is something one has in the absence of actual evidence.
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Belief is something one has in the absence of actual evidence.
Rave on simple sucker......
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Rave on simple sucker......
Congrats on such an intelligent response.
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DK NEVER interviewed JR. Period.
Try to remove your blinders and watch the video .....
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Kilgallen's exclusive interview with Ruby gave her information that had her travel to New Orleans. Upon her return she declared to close friends that she'd cracked the case and knew who had killed JFK. She was due to return to New Orleans but shortly before she died / was killed. Ron Pataky was the person that got close to her and reported back what she knew. It was too much and she died and her JFK research files vanished.
Who was in New Orleans with the biggest motive against the Kennedy's, particularly RFK, Carlos Marcello. There you have the connection between Oswald, Ferrie, Shaw, Banister and Ruby. Oh and George Johanides; AMPSELL
Seriously? Actual researchers know as fact DK never “exclusively” interviewed JR. In fact, Kilgallen was one of numerous reporters at Ruby’s trial who got to spend some 10 minutes with him during a short recess. Few people realize DK knew little about the assassination or Jack Ruby until contacted by Mark Lane (yes, that Mark Lane) who was feeding her information. As she delved deeper into 11/22 and under the guidance of Lane, DK grew more despondent and paranoid by the day. Those who worked with her on “What’s My Line” have stated she was slurring her words on set and appeared to be drinking heavily. Her entire investigation had
consisted of shoddy detective work on her part, coupled with false and misleading information from a dishonest gentleman named Mark Lane. Her autopsy revealed both her liquor problem and drug dependency.
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Congrats on such an intelligent response.
'rave on' says Waldo
Seems the grumpy old bugger just invited you to a rave
Or maybe he's channeling Buddy Holly
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'rave on' says Waldo
Seems the grumpy old bugger just invited you to a rave
Or maybe he's channeling Buddy Holly
I think you mean Carl Perkins....
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I think you mean Carl Perkins....
How embarrassing for the conspiracy side. You do absolutely no research, depending on YouTube video’s. What a shock.
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I think you mean Carl Perkins....
As far as I'm aware, Perkins never released a version of "Rave on". But i remember Buddy Holly's version coming out in 1958, a couple of weeks after the Manchester United Air disaster at Munich.
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As far as I'm aware, Perkins never released a version of "Rave on". But i remember Buddy Holly's version coming out in 1958, a couple of weeks after the Manchester United Air disaster at Munich.
So we've jumped off track once again..... I thought it was Carl Perkins who sang.. " Rave on cat's, I'm with ya, rave on cats he cried....It's almost dawn, and the cops are gone, so let's all get Dixie fried"
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I think you mean Carl Perkins....
Perkin's 'rave on' was a refrain in 'Dixie Fried'
I prefer Buddy Holly's version.
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Meanwhile...It was her criticism of the official story that must have absolutely riled the insiders [certainly including LBJ]-----
The official investigation being conducted of the assassination, she insisted in her widely syndicated columns, was pitifully inadequate. The assassination, she told friends, “had to be a conspiracy.” Kilgallen’s columns were also disdainful of a second FBI theory (also widely accepted by the media) that Jack Ruby, the sleazy owner of a honky-tonk strip joint who murdered the handcuffed Oswald in a Dallas police station on live TV two days after JFK’s assassination, was not involved in organized crime and had shot Oswald for purely personal reasons and without the knowledge, encouragement or assistance of anyone. There was, Kilgallen asserted, “something queer” about the killing of Oswald. Jack Ruby, she maintained, was a gangster with ties to local police, and his murder of Oswald was a Mafia rub-out. In a column published exactly one week after the President’s assassination, Kilgallen wrote: “I’d like to know how, in a big, smart town like Dallas, a man like Jack Ruby...can stroll in and out of police headquarters as if it was a health club at a time when a small army of law enforcers is keeping a ‘tight security guard’ on Oswald. Security! What a word for it!
https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1283&context=fac_pm
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Perkin's 'rave on' was a refrain in 'Dixie Fried'
I prefer Buddy Holly's version.
Never did know what "dixie fried" meant........
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I don't believe that anybody could control Hoover..... He was the ultimate "god father" . He pulled the strings and his puppets danced.
It's possible that Killgallen was going to meet Marcello in New Orleans.
In the Mark Shaw video [4:15] he said that he didn't know why Bobby Kennedy wasn't killed instead of Jack...as punishment.
He was killed---in addition to JFK only 4 1/2 years later by another alleged random lone assassin.
Instead of using bullets nowadays..the insiders just investigate people to death :-\
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In the Mark Shaw video [4:15] he said that he didn't know why Bobby Kennedy wasn't killed instead of Jack...as punishment.
He was killed---in addition to JFK only 4 1/2 years later by another alleged random lone assassin.
Instead of using bullets nowadays..the insiders just investigate people to death :-\
Only the openly treasonous ones who lie to the acting attorney general and acting assistant attorney general for national security, https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/mary-mccord/..... oh, and who are secretly on the payroll of the Turkish strongman for the purpose of kidnapping and secretly rendering a U.S. resident, "legally residing in the United States", from the Poconos to Turkey....
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-sentencing-memo-michael-flynn
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpNSAflynnFARAgulen.jpg)
https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/08/damning-new-details-from-mary-mccord-and-sally-yates/
The 302s provide a bit more detail about how alarming the Mike Flynn transcripts were, though. For example, before McCord saw the transcripts, she assumed Flynn’s calls were simply an incoming Administration reaching out to foreign counterparts.....
Sure, the outgoing, "negro in the white house", the one "Einstein Visa" immigrant Melania (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318) went on "The View" demanding the birth certificate of,
(the Trump smeared, "Kenyan negro") certainly was not worthy of picking a Supreme Court successor to Scalia, but McConnell says 3/4 term, impeached POTUS is qualified, even if he is a lame duck, between next November and January. But even "the negro" who overwhelmingly won the popular vote, twice, had every right to be the sole POTUS until a half hour before the "American Carnage" speech, but was not!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/us/politics/russian-interference-senate-intelligence-report.html
Republican-Led Review Backs Intelligence Findings on Russian Interference
A new Senate report undercuts claims by President Trump and his allies that Obama-era officials sought to undermine him while investigating Russia’s 2016 election meddling. ...
New York Times Published April 21, 2020 - Updated April 22, 2020
It wasn't "the insiders" who interfered with U.S. foreign policy concerning the greatest U.S. adversary, the one that invaded Ukraine and stole Crimea, the first provocation of it's kind, since WWII, and had recently meddled in the U.S. presidential election !
Sounds like you got bit by the "deep state virus". You can tell who is culted because they indicate not even the slightest doubt in any of their posts that there is even the slimmest chance they've enthusiastically embraced the biggest crocs in the swamp. The Culted also indicate in their posts they feel self entitled to mislead readers.
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Jerry, I regard you as a curious mix of CT and authoritarian. Please read the seven page .pdf at this link.:
Please read the seven page .pdf at this link
Why? It is entirely off topic.
I regard you as [an]... authoritarian
Why? Because I am skeptical?
Only the openly treasonous ones who lie to the acting attorney general and acting assistant attorney general for national security, blah blah --- https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/mary-mccord/
Mr Scully is trying to interject his totally unrelated modern day political views into any thread that comes along.
Mr Scully is a discursive flibbertigibbet. No need to look that up..."one who constantly digresses excessively from the topic".
His authoritarian viewpoint cannot be challenged.
He should not feel singled out...there are a lot of flibbertigibbets around here.