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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on March 01, 2018, 02:28:24 AM
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At the end of the day these autopsy photos were supposed to be locked away so that none of us could ever see them but I believe it was Groden who for financial gain smuggled them out, so their authenticity must be genuine but is there any way for us to be absolutely certain, yes there is!
Back when the autopsy photos were taken in 1963 right up until the smuggling by Groden there was virtually no way to fake genuine stereoscopic photos, these type of photos exposed slightly horizontally to the left or right of each other mimic human eyes and enable us to recombine and create stereoscopic images but since a lot of people don't have access to the hardware to enable viewing of stereo images these depth mapped morphs which rely on millions of pixels to be precisely the relative same distance from each respective position of the camera are a satisfactory 2D representation, so in a nutshell when recombined every pixel is at the relative same depth and creates perfect rotation.
The only hole on the back of Kennedy's head was the size of a bullet hole.
(https://s28.postimg.org/m2xipruml/JFKBOHlatest_HD4_zps1159966c.gif)
The injury on the side of the head is a perfect match to the authentic Zapruder film.
(https://s17.postimg.org/t5ffl931r/JFKAutopsy_Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)
JohnM
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Floyd Riebe and Paul O'Connor and Parkland medical staff saw a blasted out back of the head wound on JFK . If a bullet had hit JFK in the upper back of the head , then the front of his face would have been blown off. No the Autopsy Photos are not authentic. JFK's wounds show frontal and back entries of bullets. They actually took a ball-pin hammer to his head to make it look like there were different wounds than had actually been seen in Dallas. LBJ & J. Edgar Hoover had hatched a plan so as to make it look like LHO was a Lone Nut who made some miraculous shots from the 2nd floor break room and they actually had a phone call stating that they had to make it sound like LHO did it all by himself so the American people would think that is exactly what happened. You LNers needed 26 volumes of the Warren Report to make an open and closed case for a dead LHO ! What a bunch of Jr. High ! Sounds like you guys voted for "TRUMP" !!!!!
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Floyd Riebe and Paul O'Connor and Parkland medical staff saw a blasted out back of the head wound on JFK . If a bullet had hit JFK in the upper back of the head , then the front of his face would have been blown off. No the Autopsy Photos are not authentic. JFK's wounds show frontal and back entries of bullets. They actually took a ball-pin hammer to his head to make it look like there were different wounds than had actually been seen in Dallas. LBJ & J. Edgar Hoover had hatched a plan so as to make it look like LHO was a Lone Nut who made some miraculous shots from the 2nd floor break room and they actually had a phone call stating that they had to make it sound like LHO did it all by himself so the American people would think that is exactly what happened. You LNers needed 26 volumes of the Warren Report to make an open and closed case for a dead LHO ! What a bunch of Jr. High ! Sounds like you guys voted for "TRUMP" !!!!!
John Mytton is from Australia. So, I doubt that he voted for Trump. I never voted for Trump. Neither did Jerry Organ or Bill Chapman. John's stereoscopic use of the photos demonstrates for us that they are genuine. And of course, there's the 20 or so members of the HSCA Photographic analysis panel who examined them and confirmed their authenticity. As did the Bethesda pathologists and photographer. But you know better, right?
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This is from my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" series regarding the wound to the BACK of JFK's head.
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A few mainly misinterpreted medical staff Vs The Zapruder Film, The Nix Film, The Xrays, The provably authentic Autopsy photos, Eyewitnesses in Dealey plaza and other Medical staff.
(https://s28.postimg.org/ahnci2959/alotofevidence2_zpsri8gm5gr.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/60uzjdux9/Dealey_Plaza_Eyewitnesses2_zpsc1d78c8b.gif)
JohnM
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(1) How can Anything which is "Stolen" for "Financial Gain", be Guaranteed as being "Authentic" or "Genuine"? (2) Robert L. Knudsen (White House Photographer), developed the JFK B/W Autopsy Photos. He Testified before the HSCA that the B/W Autopsy Photo(s) he developed included Photo(s) which displayed Probe(s) running Into the throat of JFK. FRONT-To-Back/ENTRANCE-To-Exit. His HSCA Testimony was SEALED for roughly 20 years until being Discovered/Revealed by the ARRB. How is it the B/W photo(s) of probe(s) running INTO the throat of JFK somehow escaped being included among these obviously "Authentic" and "Genuine" Autopsy Photos which were "Stolen" for "Financial Gain" ???
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Robert Groden had nothing to do with the James K. Fox autopsy photo set being publicly released.
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Robert Groden had nothing to do with the James K. Fox autopsy photo set being publicly released.
Too bad that Fox never released the color photo of the back.
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Sure, doctors and nurses trained to handle hundreds of gunshots a year are ALL "mistaken" per you. Good one.
What about the SS personnel?
This high contrast screen shot from Zapruder shows all the matter going forward, and away from Oswald's sniper's nest.
(http://i.imgur.com/MPK17hA.jpg)
JohnM
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This high contrast screen shot from Zapruder shows all the matter going forward, and away from Oswald's sniper's nest.
(http://i.imgur.com/MPK17hA.jpg)
JohnM
Exploding Bullet can do the same thing. The Nix Film clearly shows just how Violently JFK was Driven BACKWARD into the backrest of the rear seat. Brutal
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Exploding Bullet can do the same thing.
Interesting, give me some examples where an "exploding bullet" shows the same thing?
And don't forget to show the exact time of impact.
(https://s17.postimg.org/wgpw2nldb/z312_z313.gif)
JohnM
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At the end of the day these autopsy photos were supposed to be locked away so that none of us could ever see them but I believe it was Groden who for financial gain smuggled them out, so their authenticity must be genuine but is there any way for us to be absolutely certain, yes there is!
Back when the autopsy photos were taken in 1963 right up until the smuggling by Groden there was virtually no way to fake genuine stereoscopic photos, these type of photos exposed slightly horizontally to the left or right of each other mimic human eyes and enable us to recombine and create stereoscopic images but since a lot of people don't have access to the hardware to enable viewing of stereo images these depth mapped morphs which rely on millions of pixels to be precisely the relative same distance from each respective position of the camera are a satisfactory 2D representation, so in a nutshell when recombined every pixel is at the relative same depth and creates perfect rotation.
The only hole on the back of Kennedy's head was the size of a bullet hole.
(https://s28.postimg.org/m2xipruml/JFKBOHlatest_HD4_zps1159966c.gif)
The injury on the side of the head is a perfect match to the authentic Zapruder film.
(https://s17.postimg.org/t5ffl931r/JFKAutopsy_Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)
1) Blended GIFs are not stereo. Every intermediary frame is a fabricated interpolation of the originals.
2) Stereo pairs prove nothing anyways and they don't have to be darkroom creations to be fake. Besides, it is the back of the head photos in the 1st GIF that are fake.
3) Why did JFK's head explode, especially the right side of his head? How come the MB didn't explode? It also smashed thru bone, didn't it?
4) Why is JFK's hair 3 times the length in your 2nd GIF as the 1st GIF?
5) Who performed post mortem surgery on JFK's forehead to hide the bullet entrance wound?
6) Why did Dr. Malcolm Perry butcher JFK's neck wound under the guise of a tracheotomy when JFK was supposedly still alive? That incision surely would have killed him if he wasn't already dead.
7) How could JFK have still been alive when they brought him to Parkland?
8 ) How could so many medical professionals have got it wrong about the gaping exit wound in the back of JFK's head? Dr. Charles Crenshaw, surgeon at Parkland Hospital: "The headwound was difficult to see when he was laying on the back of his head. However, afterwards when they moved his face towards the left, one could see the large, right rear parietal, occipital, blasted out hole, the size of my fist, which is 2 and a half inches in diameter. The brain, cerebral portion had been flurred out and also there was the cerebellum hanging out from that wound. It was clearly an exit wound from the right rear, behind the ear. A right occipital area hole, the size of my fist."
9) Why were so few photos and x-rays taken and what happened to them all?
10) What happened to JFK's brain and all the frangible bullet fragments?
JackT
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1) Blended GIFs are not stereo. Every intermediary frame is a fabricated interpolation of the originals.
2) Stereo pairs prove nothing anyways and they don't have to be darkroom creations to be fake. Besides, it is the back of the head photos in the 1st GIF that are fake.
3) Why did JFK's head explode, especially the right side of his head? How come the MB didn't explode? It also smashed thru bone, didn't it?
4) Why is JFK's hair 3 times the length in your 2nd GIF as the 1st GIF?
5) Who performed post mortem surgery on JFK's forehead to hide the bullet entrance wound?
6) Why did Dr. Malcolm Perry butcher JFK's neck wound under the guise of a tracheotomy when JFK was supposedly still alive? That incision surely would have killed him if he wasn't already dead.
7) How could JFK have still been alive when they brought him to Parkland?
8 ) How could so many medical professionals have got it wrong about the gaping exit wound in the back of JFK's head? Dr. Charles Crenshaw, surgeon at Parkland Hospital: "The headwound was difficult to see when he was laying on the back of his head. However, afterwards when they moved his face towards the left, one could see the large, right rear parietal, occipital, blasted out hole, the size of my fist, which is 2 and a half inches in diameter. The brain, cerebral portion had been flurred out and also there was the cerebellum hanging out from that wound. It was clearly an exit wound from the right rear, behind the ear. A right occipital area hole, the size of my fist."
9) Why were so few photos and x-rays taken and what happened to them all?
10) What happened to JFK's brain and all the frangible bullet fragments?
JackT
Thank you Mr. Trump, er. Mr. Trojan.
Remember, Mr. Trojan says the conspiracy involved just a small handful of people.
Now he's got body alteration and autopsy alteration and fake this and fake that.
Boy, Hoover, Dulles and LBJ sure got around.
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(https://s17.postimg.org/wgpw2nldb/z312_z313.gif)
What is interesting is that JFK is the only object on that frame that does not show motion blur. And on what planet does the SS driver Greer slow down to a near stop and turn completely around to watch JFK's head explode before making a hasty retreat? When Greer knew shots were being fired why slow down?
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Remember, Mr. Trojan says the conspiracy involved just a small handful of people.
I can always tell you LNers got nothing when you trot out the BS ? la Trump.
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What is interesting is that JFK is the only object on that frame that does not show motion blur. And on what planet does the SS driver Greer slow down to a near stop and turn completely around to watch JFK's head explode before making a hasty retreat? When Greer knew shots were being fired why slow down?
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/Image312.jpg)
(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/image313.jpg)
JFK has no "motion blur" in Z313? ???
The prominent crease on the jacket extends horizontally and in the same slight upward angle as the other motion-induced streaks in Z313. So too the right arm in general.
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What is interesting is that JFK is the only object on that frame that does not show motion blur. And on what planet does the SS driver Greer slow down to a near stop and turn completely around to watch JFK's head explode before making a hasty retreat? When Greer knew shots were being fired why slow down?
The only part of JFK's head that does not appear to have motion blur in 313 is the back of his head where it meets the curb in the background. The bright curb can erase the dark overlap(blur) of JFK's head and create a sharper demarcation between head and curb.
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You don't need to fake photos when you control the autopsy and Oswald is dead. It's not the photos that are fake, it's the scene that is staged to show what they wanted you to see. Humes destroyed the recorded truth.
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1) Blended GIFs are not stereo. Every intermediary frame is a fabricated interpolation of the originals.
2) Stereo pairs prove nothing anyways and they don't have to be darkroom creations to be fake. Besides, it is the back of the head photos in the 1st GIF that are fake.
Did you even read what I wrote, you are foolishly attempting to make an argument where none exists?
My rotating morphs come from stereoscopic photos. The reason that the rotation works at all is because the images are true stereoscopic images and thus each intermediary frame can only exist if the originals have millions of individual pixels and represent reality by having 100% perfect depth mapping and they do.
Here are the stereo images and being an expert photo type guy you have either or both red/cyan or a stereoscope viewer so you should see the depth created by the stereoscopic process. But unfortunately most people don't have the above equipment so the rotating morphs which use the same information are a more effective representation and besides I'm tired of people who claim to have the appropriate glasses and say they see something different.
(https://s17.postimg.org/lsqqhmt33/sbs_autopsy.jpg)
(https://s17.postimg.org/5ui0ri6kv/redcyanautopsy.jpg)
Stereo pairs prove nothing anyways and they don't have to be darkroom creations to be fake.
How about you put your money where your mouth is and show us some photo realistic stereoscopic faked images that weren't manipulated on an "optical printer" -snigger- from anywhere in the 60's.
Besides, it is the back of the head photos in the 1st GIF that are fake.
You're an expert, prove it with science like I did or don't, your choice!
JohnM
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What is interesting is that JFK is the only object on that frame that does not show motion blur. And on what planet does the SS driver Greer slow down to a near stop and turn completely around to watch JFK's head explode before making a hasty retreat? When Greer knew shots were being fired why slow down?
What is interesting is that JFK is the only object on that frame that does not show motion blur.
You do know what "motion blur" is, right?
And on what planet does the SS driver Greer slow down to a near stop and turn completely around to watch JFK's head explode before making a hasty retreat? When Greer knew shots were being fired why slow down?
Seriously? I don't know about you but me personally, knowing that a sniper would be aiming a high powered rifle at someone in my car would make me take a sickie!
JohnM
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So why was the rear of the limousine being tidied up at PH then?
It wasn't.
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Interesting, give me some examples where an "exploding bullet" shows the same thing?
And don't forget to show the exact time of impact.
(https://s17.postimg.org/wgpw2nldb/z312_z313.gif)
JohnM
Give you an example of an exploding bullet "exploding" ??? You better stick to peddling your Mosiac.
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So why was the rear of the limousine being tidied up at PH then?
Define "tidied up"?
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In the following composite in the Zapruder film we can clearly see matter going forward and down to a position on the floor as seen in the Limo evidence photo.
(https://s17.postimg.org/i0gvcuoqn/Zap_limo_matter.gif)
JohnM
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Give you an example of an exploding bullet "exploding" ???
So you don't have an example of an exploding bullet and frankly let's be honest it's obvious that you don't have a clue what an exploding bullet is or what it can do!
JohnM
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Interesting, give me some examples where an "exploding bullet" shows the same thing?
And don't forget to show the exact time of impact.
(https://s17.postimg.org/wgpw2nldb/z312_z313.gif)
JohnM
If we are to believe the Massive Explosion that is depicted above, Jackie's face would have been absolutely covered with Blood/Brain Matter. This is Exactly what happened to Officer Hargis & his motorcycle situated on the immediate Left Rear of the JFK Limo. But of course, scant seconds later Jackie is crawling all over the trunk of the JFK Limo without Any Trace of Blood/Brain Matter being visible Anywhere on her face. The clearer these Fake Images get, the more Unbelievable the Current Zapruder Film becomes. This is the same type of action/reaction we Choose to accept in a Road Runner Cartoon.
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Sure, doctors and nurses trained to handle hundreds of gunshots a year are ALL "mistaken" per you. Good one.
What about the SS personnel?
Did the Doctors ever turn JFK over at Parkland?
Did the doctors closely examine or work on the head wound?
Where do you get your assumption that a trained doctor can look at a destroyed head covered with blood and brain matter and be reliable about where a wound is?
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Did the Doctors ever turn JFK over at Parkland?
Did the doctors closely examine or work on the head wound?
Where do you get your assumption that a trained doctor can look at a destroyed head covered with blood and brain matter and be reliable about where a wound is?
Head wound witnesses at Parkland. To ARRB
Dr Peters.
?And then Dr. Jenkins said, boys, before you think about opening the chest, you'd better step up here and look at this brain. And so at that point I did step around Dr. Baxter and looked in the President's head, and I reported to the Warren Commission that there was about a seven-centimeter hole in the occipitoparietal area that there was obviously quite a bit of brain missing. Some brain was hanging down in the wound, and I thought the cerebellum had been injured as well as the cerebral cortex. That's what I said at the time.?
MR. GUNN: Dr. Peters, there was something that you had said that you had wanted to talk about.
DR. PETERS: Well, it was concerning the injury to the cerebellum. I thought that at that time when I looked in his skull after Dr. Jenkins said, boys, you better come up here and take a look at this brain before you do anything as heroic as opening the chest and massaging the heart direct, and I thought the cerebellum was injured and of course, it was obvious there was quite a bit of the cerebral cortex missing. And I looked at it for a moment, and so when I was interviewed a few days later by Mr. Specter, I said I thought the cerebellum was injured.?
?DR. PETERS: Well, I would certainly agree with what Bob said. It was my thought exactly that they just kind of pulled that flap back into place and took a picture so they could show how it looked with things restored as much as possible and it just -- a flap just kind of -- had been torn back and now they were just kind of putting it back and snapping a picture. For what reason, I don't know. But I'm certain there was a hole there, too. I walked around right and looked in his head. You could look directly into the cranial vault and see cerebral injury to the cerebral cortex and I thought at the time to the cerebellum. So I know the hole was big enough to look into. I estimated it at seven centimeters at that time, and I don't know what the actual measurements were when they took the radiographs, but I thought just exactly what Bob, did. They were probably making a series of pictures and they had just pulled that flap back up there to cover it up and took a picture of that to show the head with the flap restored, so to speak, for whatever reason. I'm sure there were many other pictures that were made at the same time.?
Dr McClelland.
DR. McCLELLAND: And I think as testimony that this wound looked like everybody else has described it here. It was a very large wound and I would
agree that it was at least seven or eight centimeters in diameter and was mostly really in the occipital part of the skull. And as I was looking at it, a fairly large portion of the cerebellum fell out of the skull, There was already some brain there, but during the tracheostomy more fell out and that was clearly cerebellum. I mean, there was no doubt about it, and I was that far from it (indicating).
MR. GUNN: When you say "that far," you're putting your hands about twelve
inches apart.
DR. McCLELLAND: Twelve to 18 inches.
MR. GUNN: About how long were you at the head of the table?
DR. McCLELLAND: Oh, till they finished up the tracheostomy. I don't know exactly how long that would be, but I guess, you know, it had to be an absolute minimum of five minutes & probably somewhere between five & ten, but that's just a rough guess. But it was certainly more than just a, you know, transient view of it. It was a concentrated view.?
DR.McCLELLAND: ?There was nothing in the - in the area where the cerebellum usually sits.
And as I said, most of it was probably gone when I first began to look down into the wound, and then as I stood there, probably just maybe a minute after I came in, another large portion of it, which I thought - I remember thinking now, well, that's the rest of the cerebellum oozed out into the table. So it's not, well, I kind of think it was. It was.
Seems these trained doctors saw something which didn't exist.LOL
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?Motorcade Cop Tells How It Happened,? Sunday News (New York)
, 24 November 1963, p.25:
Dallas, Nov. 23 (Special) - B. W. Hargis, 31, Dallas motorcycle patrolman who was riding
in President Kennedy?s motorcade, gave this account today of the assassination:
?We turned left onto Elm St. off Houston, about half a block from where it happened. I was
right alongside the rear fender on the left hand side of the President?s car, near Mrs. Kennedy.
When I heard the first explosion, I knew it was a shot. I thought that Gov. Connally had
been hit when I saw him turn toward the President with a real surprised look.
The President then looked like he was bent over or that he was leaning toward the Governor,
talking to him.
As the President straightened back up, Mrs. Kennedy turned toward him, and that was when he
got hit in the side of his head, spinning it around.
I was splattered with blood.
Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I
might have been hit.
Then I saw the limousine stop, and I parked my motorcycle at the side of the road, got off and
drew my gun.
Then this Secret Service agent (in the President?s car) got his wits about him and they took off.
The motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward
and announced to the chief that the President had been shot.?
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"This is Exactly what happened to Officer Hargis & his motorcycle situated on the immediate Left Rear of the JFK Limo."
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?Motorcade Cop Tells How It Happened,? Sunday News (New York)
, 24 November 1963, p.25:
Dallas, Nov. 23 (Special) - B. W. Hargis, 31, Dallas motorcycle patrolman who was riding
in President Kennedy?s motorcade, gave this account today of the assassination:
?We turned left onto Elm St. off Houston, about half a block from where it happened. I was
right alongside the rear fender on the left hand side of the President?s car, near Mrs. Kennedy.
When I heard the first explosion, I knew it was a shot. I thought that Gov. Connally had
been hit when I saw him turn toward the President with a real surprised look.
The President then looked like he was bent over or that he was leaning toward the Governor,
talking to him.
As the President straightened back up, Mrs. Kennedy turned toward him, and that was when he
got hit in the side of his head, spinning it around.
I was splattered with blood.
Then I felt something hit me. It could have been concrete or something, but I thought at first I
might have been hit.
Then I saw the limousine stop, and I parked my motorcycle at the side of the road, got off and
drew my gun.
Then this Secret Service agent (in the President?s car) got his wits about him and they took off.
The motorcycle officer on the right side of the car was Jim Chaney. He immediately went forward
and announced to the chief that the President had been shot.?
Are you Claiming that the Photo you have posted was taken at the time of the Kill Shot? If you are, please refrain from posting any further images. You are completely Misleading this Forum.
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No
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Are you Claiming that the Photo you have posted was taken at the time of the Kill Shot? If you are, please refrain from posting any further images. You are completely Misleading this Forum.
Most know that's Willis #5.
I highlighted Hargis in the photo to show his relative position to JFK's limo.
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I know it's Willis. Point IS, that Pic was NOT taken at the time of the Kill Shot. It was due to the Kill Shot that Officer Hargis got splattered with Blood/Brain Matter & Jackie being right on top of JFK should have had her face splattered.
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We well know it's Willis. Point IS, that Pic was NOT taken at the time of the Kill Shot. It was due to the Kill Shot that Officer Hargis got splattered with Blood/Brain Matter & Jackie being right on top of JFK should have had her face splattered. What You did was without a doubt Misleading/Dishonest. By any chance do you have a Job that's affiliated with the Main Stream Media???
I never said it was taken at the time of the kill shot. It was posted along with Hargis's narrative of what
happened as the motorcade turned from Houston onto Elm, the shots were fired and the Limo sped away.
Quit being such a grumpy, stupid, paranoid putz.
Let me go back and edit out the quote from your post. geez
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Interesting, give me some examples where an "exploding bullet" shows the same thing?
And don't forget to show the exact time of impact.
(https://s17.postimg.org/wgpw2nldb/z312_z313.gif)
JohnM
It looks like Jackie is moving forward too, was she shot as well..??
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It looks like Jackie is moving forward too, was she shot as well..??
No, she suffered No wound(s). It is cartoonish to think that being that close to the Explosion of Blood/Brain Matter that we are seeing on the Current Zapruder Film, would result in Jackie's face Not showing Any trace of Blood/Brain Matter. The Current Zapruder Film is a fabrication.
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This high contrast screen shot from Zapruder shows all the matter going forward, and away from Oswald's sniper's nest.
"Oswald's sniper's nest". LOL.
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But unfortunately most people don't have the above equipment so the rotating morphs which use the same information are a more effective representation and besides I'm tired of people who claim to have the appropriate glasses and say they see something different.
"Stop disagreeing with my conclusions".
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If we are to believe the Massive Explosion that is depicted above, Jackie's face would have been absolutely covered with Blood/Brain Matter.
Maybe she ate it.
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It looks like Jackie is moving forward too, was she shot as well..??
You're imagining things. Jackie cannot be seen to move forward.
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"Stop disagreeing with my conclusions".
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How ironic you just illustrated my point exactly, CT's who are absolutely besotted with Oswald and imagine themselves to be his defence attorney, see just what they want to see.
Btw what's to disagree with? The millions of depth mapped pixels showing clean rotation illustrate the same event, that's why I prefer using them because we don't see the empty headed response as above.
(https://s28.postimg.org/m2xipruml/JFKBOHlatest_HD4_zps1159966c.gif)
JohnM
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Motorcycle Policeman B. W. Hargis , " I was splattered with blood." " Then I felt something hit me". It could have been concrete or something , but I thought at first " I might have been hit ".
"THEN I SAW THE LIMOUSINE STOP", and I parked my motorcycle at the side of the road , got off and drew my gun . It's kind of odd that Hargis said he saw the limousine stop but the ZAPRUDER FILM SHOWS NO STOPPING OF THE LIMO AT ALL . How could that be ?
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Perhaps you missed this from my series. It will answer all your questions.
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The Warren Commission (WC) said that President John F. Kennedy (JFK) was shot from behind ONLY, thus, NO wounds should have been seen on the backside of JFK?s head (save for a small entrance wound), but many witnesses did see such a wound.
How can the WC defenders explain this?
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Maybe next time, just post a link because I can almost guarantee that Brian couldn't give a stuff about reading a wall of your self serving evidence.
And besides it just makes the Forum look messy.
JohnM
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John Mytton is from Australia. So, I doubt that he voted for Trump. I never voted for Trump. Neither did Jerry Organ or Bill Chapman. John's stereoscopic use of the photos demonstrates for us that they are genuine. And of course, there's the 20 or so members of the HSCA Photographic analysis panel who examined them and confirmed their authenticity. As did the Bethesda pathologists and photographer. But you know better, right?
Ditto. I voted for Hillary Clinton because she was a better choice than Trump. We don?t need no stupid wall.
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The only reason Trump won was because he was running against Hillary.
Yup.
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We don?t need no stupid wall.
Yes you do.
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At the end of the day these autopsy photos were supposed to be locked away so that none of us could ever see them but I believe it was Groden who for financial gain smuggled them out, so their authenticity must be genuine but is there any way for us to be absolutely certain, yes there is!
Back when the autopsy photos were taken in 1963 right up until the smuggling by Groden there was virtually no way to fake genuine stereoscopic photos, these type of photos exposed slightly horizontally to the left or right of each other mimic human eyes and enable us to recombine and create stereoscopic images but since a lot of people don't have access to the hardware to enable viewing of stereo images these depth mapped morphs which rely on millions of pixels to be precisely the relative same distance from each respective position of the camera are a satisfactory 2D representation, so in a nutshell when recombined every pixel is at the relative same depth and creates perfect rotation.
The only hole on the back of Kennedy's head was the size of a bullet hole.
(https://s28.postimg.org/m2xipruml/JFKBOHlatest_HD4_zps1159966c.gif)
The injury on the side of the head is a perfect match to the authentic Zapruder film.
(https://s17.postimg.org/t5ffl931r/JFKAutopsy_Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)
JohnM
No CTer is addressing John Mytton?s point.
Were the autopsy photographs faked. Is it even possible to fake them and pass the 3D test.
Questions:
Is there any photography expert who says these photographs could have been faked.
Has such a photography expert made the following demonstration:
** Carve a melon to represent a head shot from the front. Or, perhaps, shoot the melon from the front.
** Take two pictures from slightly different angles of the melon, showing the damage.
** Modify the photographs to make it appear the melon was shot from the back.
** Have these two photographs pass the 3-D test.
Question:
Has such a demonstration ever been done, proving photographs can be modified and still pass the 3-D test?
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No CTer is addressing John Mytton?s point.
Were the autopsy photographs faked. Is it even possible to fake them and pass the 3D test.
Questions:
Is there any photography expert who says these photographs could have been faked.
Has such a photography expert made the following demonstration:
** Carve a melon to represent a head shot from the front. Or, perhaps, shoot the melon from the front.
** Take two pictures from slightly different angles of the melon, showing the damage.
** Modify the photographs to make it appear the melon was shot from the back.
** Have these two photographs pass the 3-D test.
Question:
Has such a demonstration ever been done, proving photographs can be modified and still pass the 3-D test?
Exactly what is the purpose of allegedly pulling/stretching/holding JFK's Scalp/Hair OVER a large Hole in his head and then photographing the back of his head? What is this autopsy photo alleged to document/display??
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How ironic you just illustrated my point exactly, CT's who are absolutely besotted with Oswald and imagine themselves to be his defence attorney, see just what they want to see.
Some of them certainly do. Just like LNs who are absolutely besotted with Oswald guilt and imagine themselves to be his prosecuting attorney, see just what they want to see.
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Maybe next time, just post a link because I can almost guarantee that Brian couldn't give a stuff about reading a wall of your self serving evidence.
And besides it just makes the Forum look messy.
Says the guy who quoted one of these articles in its entirety just to add a one line comment at the bottom.
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This high contrast screen shot from Zapruder shows all the matter going forward, and away from Oswald's sniper's nest.
(http://i.imgur.com/MPK17hA.jpg)
JohnM
What this shows is a shot from the right of JFK and matter going upward and to the left of JFK.
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Says the guy who quoted one of these articles in its entirety just to add a one line comment at the bottom.
Not the same at all in the case you are alluding to, the repetition was essential to the analysis being performed and by referencing the negative we can draw the correct positive inferences.
JohnM
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What this shows is a shot from the right of JFK and matter going upward and to the left of JFK.
How can you tell which direction it going to the right or left of JFK, in a 2d photo?
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How can you tell which direction it going to the right or left of JFK, in a 2d photo?
No. At least as I can tell.
But it is obvious that almost all the debris was sent flying forward. Some of it up and forward. Some of it level and forward. Nothing is seen going backwards.
Which means that the droplets of blood and specks of brain matter were carried back by the wind which was blowing backwards at 18 to 23 mph relative to the moving vehicles. Which reached the trailing motorcycle officer?s. It looks like it really is a bad idea to pee into the wind.
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No. At least as I can tell.
But it is obvious that almost all the debris was sent flying forward. Some of it up and forward. Some of it level and forward. Nothing is seen going backwards.
Which means that the droplets of blood and specks of brain matter were carried back by the wind which was blowing backwards at 18 to 23 mph relative to the moving vehicles. Which reached the trailing motorcycle officer?s. It looks like it really is a bad idea to pee into the wind.
Sorry, Joe, my question was aimed at the poster, Keyvan, not you.
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Not the same at all in the case you are alluding to, the repetition was essential to the analysis being performed and by referencing the negative we can draw the correct positive inferences.
JohnM
Have you taken that photogrammetry course yet that would qualify you to talk about any of this stuff? Obviously not. You should get on that. It would give you some cred. Be warned tho, you might have a change of heart mate, but I doubt it. :D
ps What are the physical mechanisms that eject skull fragments almost tangential to the force of impact? And why did the bullet inside JFK's head explode when the MB didn't?
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Sorry, Joe, my question was aimed at the poster, Keyvan, not you.
In that case you should send Keyvan a ?PM?, a ?Private Message?. Posting questions on the forum implies anyone can respond.
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In that case you should send Keyvan a ?PM?, a ?Private Message?. Posting questions on the forum implies anyone can respond.
I was replying to his post and asking him, so everybody on the forum could see his reply.
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And why did the bullet inside JFK's head explode when the MB didn't?
The twofer didn't hit large bones directly, just flesh. FMJ ammo was designed to remain intact while traversing flesh (as per the Geneva Convention).
The headshot hit the hard bone of the skull nose-first.
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A Pressure Cavity Blew Kennedy's Head Apart
Cite: John MacAdams
The simplest assumption about the explosion of Kennedy's head is that an exiting bullet ripped a large defect and the bullet and brain matter exited at the defect. In fact, the process was a bit more complicated. When a bullet hits human tissue, it loses a lot of energy in under a millisecond, and that energy has to go somewhere. In fact, the energy creates a pressure cavily in the tissue ? almost as though a small stick of dynamite had been set off within the body.
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The twofer didn't hit large bones directly, just flesh. FMJ ammo was designed to remain intact while traversing flesh (as per the Geneva Convention).
The headshot hit the hard bone of the skull nose-first.
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A Pressure Cavity Blew Kennedy's Head Apart
Cite: John MacAdams
The simplest assumption about the explosion of Kennedy's head is that an exiting bullet ripped a large defect and the bullet and brain matter exited at the defect. In fact, the process was a bit more complicated. When a bullet hits human tissue, it loses a lot of energy in under a millisecond, and that energy has to go somewhere. In fact, the energy creates a pressure cavily in the tissue ? almost as though a small stick of dynamite had been set off within the body.
Rubbish. FMJ bullets NEVER explode. But nice try. ;)
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Rubbish. FMJ bullets NEVER explode. But nice try. ;)
He never claimed that FMJ bullets explode. Try harder will ya?
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He never claimed that FMJ bullets explode. Try harder will ya?
Yes he did. We all know who needs to try harder. The 3rd bullet EXPLODED. Period. EOS. Deal with it. ;)
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Yes he did. We all know who needs to try harder. The 3rd bullet EXPLODED. Period. EOS. Deal with it. ;)
Then quote him saying that the bullet exploded. Post what he said, word for word. Let's see it.
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Yes he did. We all know who needs to try harder. The 3rd bullet EXPLODED. Period. EOS. Deal with it. ;)
Yeah. They want us to believe that Blood and Brain Matter were somehow Projected so far Forward that it reached ASAIC Kellerman and Gov Connally. They want us to believe that Blood and Brain Matter were somehow Projected so far Backward that it reached Motorcycle Officer Hargis. They want us to believe that Blood and Brain Matter were Projected several feet Straight Up. Yet, they also want us to believe that this is Not the result of an Explosion. ???
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Yeah. They want us to believe that Blood and Brain Matter were somehow Projected so far Forward that it reached ASAIC Kellerman and Gov Connally. They want us to believe that Blood and Brain Matter were somehow Projected so far Backward that it reached Motorcycle Officer Hargis. They want us to believe that Blood and Brain Matter were Projected several feet Straight Up. Yet, they also want us to believe that this is Not the result of an Explosion. ???
Trojan is claiming that Chapman and Mytton said that the bullet exploded. That is not what they said.
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The LNers are not saying blood and brain tisssue landed on the front of the car; the eyewitness and physical evidence says there was.
From their WC testimony:
Gov. Connally: ...[T]he third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.
Mrs. Connally: "The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us."
FBI agent Frazier:
Mr. SPECTER - I hand you a subsequent exhibit of the Commission, No. 346, showing the interior view of the automobile and ask you if that depicts the automobile which you examined?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; however, it wasn't in this condition. It wasn't as clean as it is in Exhibit 346.
Mr. SPECTER - What was the condition with respect to cleanliness?
Mr. FRAZIER - There were blood and particles of flesh scattered all over the hood, the windshield, in the front seat and all over the rear floor rugs, the jump seats, and over the rear seat, and down both sides of the side rails or tops of the doors of the car.
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The LNers are not saying blood and brain tisssue landed on the front of the car; the eyewitness and physical evidence says there was.
From their WC testimony:
Gov. Connally: ...[T]he third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.
Mrs. Connally: "The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us."
FBI agent Frazier:
Mr. SPECTER - I hand you a subsequent exhibit of the Commission, No. 346, showing the interior view of the automobile and ask you if that depicts the automobile which you examined?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; however, it wasn't in this condition. It wasn't as clean as it is in Exhibit 346.
Mr. SPECTER - What was the condition with respect to cleanliness?
Mr. FRAZIER - There were blood and particles of flesh scattered all over the hood, the windshield, in the front seat and all over the rear floor rugs, the jump seats, and over the rear seat, and down both sides of the side rails or tops of the doors of the car.
SA Frazier's description of, "blood and particles of flesh scattered All Over the Hood, the Windshield..........", is Not what is depicted on the Current Zapruder Film. The massive/far reaching carnage being described by Frazier is the direct result of an Explosion.
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SA Frazier's description of, "blood and particles of flesh scattered All Over the Hood, the Windshield..........", is Not what is depicted on the Current Zapruder Film. The massive/far reaching carnage being described by Frazier is the direct result of an Explosion.
SA Frazier's description of, "blood and particles of flesh scattered All Over the Hood, the Windshield..........", is what is depicted on the Current Zapruder Film.
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The LNers are not saying blood and brain tisssue landed on the front of the car; the eyewitness and physical evidence says there was.
From their WC testimony:
Gov. Connally: ...[T]he third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.
Mrs. Connally: "The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us."
FBI agent Frazier:
Mr. SPECTER - I hand you a subsequent exhibit of the Commission, No. 346, showing the interior view of the automobile and ask you if that depicts the automobile which you examined?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; however, it wasn't in this condition. It wasn't as clean as it is in Exhibit 346.
Mr. SPECTER - What was the condition with respect to cleanliness?
Mr. FRAZIER - There were blood and particles of flesh scattered all over the hood, the windshield, in the front seat and all over the rear floor rugs, the jump seats, and over the rear seat, and down both sides of the side rails or tops of the doors of the car.
The most striking part of SA Frazier's description above is the , "...All over the hood, the windshield". There is Nothing on the Current Zapruder Film depicting: (1) ANYTHING being Projected as Far Forward as the windshield, (2) ANYTHING traveling Over windshield, and (3) ANYTHING Falling Down "ALL over the Hood". There is Not A Trace of ANY of this on the Current Zapruder Film. The SA Frazier description supports the WC Testimony of ASAIC Kellerman, (riding shotgun in the front seat of the JFK Limo), as well as the recollections of NPIC Image Expert Dino Brugioni regarding his Examining/Viewing of the Original Zapruder Film on 11/23/63.