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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Walt Cakebread on September 27, 2021, 07:28:56 PM
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During the WC hearings Allen Dulles asked DPD Chief Jesse Curry : "Is there any truth to the rumor that Tippit was involved in narcotics? "
Obviously Dulles had heard that Tippit was involved in drug dealing....
Why he would ask Curry such a question, can only be explained by the obvious answer that would be expected from Chief Curry.... Dulles would have known that Curry would reply that he knew nothing about Tippit being involved in anything like that. And that's what Dulles wanted to get on the record..... Chief Curry's denial, which basically curtailed any further investigation into the matter.
BUT the fact remains Dulles did ask Curry about the rumor ( 4H 177-178) that Tippit was involved in drug dealing.....and there must have been a basis for dispelling the "rumor"
Personally I find this tidbit of information highly interesting. Since I'm 100% sure that Lee Oswald did NOT shoot JD Tippit, then I'd like to know WHO did shoot Tippit and for what reason? If Tippit was involved in dealing drugs and he discovered a sub dealer who hadn't paid for the drugs that Tippit had delivered to him, sauntering down the street and then stopped him and confronted him about the debt he owed Tippit .....And Tippit acted as though he was going to arrest the man the man may have panicked and shot Tippit.
As I recall Helen Markham reported that when Tippit tooted his horn to get the man's attention and then called him over to the squad car, they conversed as though they were friends. ( That's what Helen Markham said)
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If Tippit was involved in dealing drugs and he discovered a sub dealer who hadn't paid for the drugs that Tippit had delivered to him, sauntering down the street and then stopped him and confronted him about the debt he owed Tippit .....And Tippit acted as though he was going to arrest the man the man may have panicked and shot Tippit.
That's the stupidest thing I have ever read on this Forum!
Maybe it's time for you to take a break and re-establish a connection with reality.
JohnM
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That's the stupidest thing I have ever read on this Forum!
Maybe it's time for you to take a break and re-establish a connection with reality.
JohnM
Yes, it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed. Speculation and fantasy are bad enough but we've entered the realm of outright fiction. I do wonder if someone like Walt actually believes any of this nonsense including the red rings were a signal. I find it hard to believe anyone is that delusional.
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No, but the OP might be on drugs.
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That's the stupidest thing I have ever read on this Forum!
Maybe it's time for you to take a break and re-establish a connection with reality.
JohnM
So you think Allen Dulles was Stupid? Dulles had heard that JD Tippit was involved in narcotics and he wanted that rumor swept under the rug.
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Yes, it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed. Speculation and fantasy are bad enough but we've entered the realm of outright fiction. I do wonder if someone like Walt actually believes any of this nonsense including the red rings were a signal. I find it hard to believe anyone is that delusional.
Yes, it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed.
Strange that you could refer to Tippit as a "hero" when you have no idea what went down at 10th and Patton. You ASSUME that he was shot by LHO in spite of evidence that Lee Oswald was on a bus traveling to the Texas theater or in the theater at the time that Tippit was shot. There is no evidence that Tippit ever did anything "heroic ".... In fact if anything he did something extremely stupid when he got out of his car to arrest a suspicious man without calling for backup.
On the other hand there is ample evidence that Lee Oswald placed his life in jeopardy when he infiltrated the USSR as a spy for the US.
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Yes, it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed.
Strange that you could refer to Tippit as a "hero" when you have no idea what went down at 10th and Patton. You ASSUME that he was shot by LHO in spite of evidence that Lee Oswald was on a bus traveling to the Texas theater or in the theater at the time that Tippit was shot. There is no evidence that Tippit ever did anything "heroic ".... In fact if anything he did something extremely stupid when he got out of his car to arrest a suspicious man without calling for backup.
On the other hand there is ample evidence that Lee Oswald placed his life in jeopardy when he infiltrated the USSR as a spy for the US.
You should write a letter of apology to the Tippit family and refrain from defaming a hero. Tippit was killed in the line of duty by a cold blooded murder. You should be ashamed. It is one thing to peddle baseless fantasies and another to defame a police officer killed while doing his job. There is zero doubt that Oswald killed Tippit. He did it in broad daylight in the presence of numerous witnesses. He still had the literal smoking gun when arrested. I'm sure someone here can find the address of his family to direct your letter of apology.
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Since 2004:
http://www.jdtippit.com
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You should write a letter of apology to the Tippit family and refrain from defaming a hero. Tippit was killed in the line of duty by a cold blooded murder. You should be ashamed. It is one thing to peddle baseless fantasies and another to defame a police officer killed while doing his job. There is zero doubt that Oswald killed Tippit. He did it in broad daylight in the presence of numerous witnesses. He still had the literal smoking gun when arrested. I'm sure someone here can find the address of his family to direct your letter of apology.
Apologize For Allen Dulles??..... Dulles is the man who asked if Tippit was involved in narcotics.
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During the WC hearings Allen Dulles asked DPD Chief Jesse Curry : "Is there any truth to the rumor that Tippit was involved in narcotics? "
Obviously Dulles had heard that Tippit was involved in drug dealing....
Why he would ask Curry such a question, can only be explained by the obvious answer that would be expected from Chief Curry.... Dulles would have known that Curry would reply that he knew nothing about Tippit being involved in anything like that. And that's what Dulles wanted to get on the record..... Chief Curry's denial, which basically curtailed any further investigation into the matter.
BUT the fact remains Dulles did ask Curry about the rumor ( 4H 177-178) that Tippit was involved in drug dealing.....and there must have been a basis for dispelling the "rumor"
Personally I find this tidbit of information highly interesting. Since I'm 100% sure that Lee Oswald did NOT shoot JD Tippit, then I'd like to know WHO did shoot Tippit and for what reason? If Tippit was involved in dealing drugs and he discovered a sub dealer who hadn't paid for the drugs that Tippit had delivered to him, sauntering down the street and then stopped him and confronted him about the debt he owed Tippit .....And Tippit acted as though he was going to arrest the man the man may have panicked and shot Tippit.
As I recall Helen Markham reported that when Tippit tooted his horn to get the man's attention and then called him over to the squad car, they conversed as though they were friends. ( That's what Helen Markham said)
Lawyers usually only ask questions that they already know the answer to. That practice comes through clearly when reading the Warren Report.
The issues that they didn't want to discuss or couldn't resolve at the time weren't addressed on the record.
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Apologize For Allen Dulles??..... Dulles is the man who asked if Tippit was involved in narcotics.
After nearly 60 years, there is zero evidence that Tippit's murder had anything to do with "narcotics." Multiple witnesses identified Oswald as Tippit's murderer. He had the pistol still in his possession when arrested (after resisting arrest) along with the same two brands of ammo used to kill Tippit. No DPD officer had been killed for years before Tippit's murder. I assume this drug related murder that day, just a couple miles from the TSBD, in broad daylight was just a coincidence? Old unlucky Lee. He just happens to work in the same building from which the President was just assassinated, he passes the scene of the only murder of a DPD officer in years on his way to the movies, he looks exactly like the killer, he has a pistol, and is carrying the same two different brands of ammo used to kill Tippit. How unlucky can one guy get?
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Yes, it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed. Speculation and fantasy are bad enough but we've entered the realm of outright fiction. I do wonder if someone like Walt actually believes any of this nonsense including the red rings were a signal. I find it hard to believe anyone is that delusional.
it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed
Why was Tippit a hero? Be precise....
I'm not saying that he wasn't a hero, just in case you want to go there, but I would be really interested to find out why exactly you consider him to be a hero....
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Why was Tippit a hero? I'm not saying that he wasn't a hero, just in case you want to go there, but I would be really interested to find out why exactly you consider him to be a hero....
These guys are the very definition of melodramatic.
Actually, J D Tippit was a hero..notably back in WW2..he was awarded the bronze star [it was reported]
The Oswald did it gang could have responded with this comeback but failed in their limited research and various conjecture.
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Yes, it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed. Speculation and fantasy are bad enough but we've entered the realm of outright fiction. I do wonder if someone like Walt actually believes any of this nonsense including the red rings were a signal. I find it hard to believe anyone is that delusional.
A hero ::) yip his actions beforehand wasn't suspicious :D, wildly pulling over random cars searching them without uttering a word, running into the shop using the phone and bursting back out again, Tippit was knee deep in this conspiracy ;)
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A hero ::) yip his actions beforehand wasn't suspicious :D, wildly pulling over random cars searching them without uttering a word, running into the shop using the phone and bursting back out again, Tippit was knee deep in this conspiracy ;)
OMG Tippit searched some cars and made a phone call, what a criminal.
JohnM
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it is sad to see a hero like Tippit defamed
Why was Tippit a hero? Be precise....
I'm not saying that he wasn't a hero, just in case you want to go there, but I would be really interested to find out why exactly you consider him to be a hero....
Why was a police officer killed in the line of duty while doing his job a hero? Are you for real? In this particular case, Tippit noted someone behaving suspiciously. What exactly Oswald did to draw his attention cannot be known but Oswald had ample cause, as someone who had just assassinated the president, to not want to be seen by the police. Tippit was not satisfied by whatever bull Oswald told him through the window and Tippit decided to pursue the matter further. Outstanding police work that eventually led to the apprehension of the man who assassinated the president of the United States. Tippit was murdered in the process by a criminal. That checks all the boxes for being a hero. He will forever be credited as a hero in the history books. A police officer who was doing his job and gave his life. I don't believe that he necessarily had any cause to believe Oswald was the assassin. What he did have cause to note was that Oswald was acting suspiciously. It was good police work.
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Why was a police officer killed in the line of duty while doing his job a hero? Are you for real? In this particular case, Tippit noted someone behaving suspiciously. What exactly Oswald did to draw his attention cannot be known but Oswald had ample cause, as someone who had just assassinated the president, to not want to be seen by the police. Tippit was not satisfied by whatever bull Oswald told him through the window and Tippit decided to pursue the matter further. Outstanding police work that eventually led to the apprehension of the man who assassinated the president of the United States. Tippit was murdered in the process by a criminal. That checks all the boxes for being a hero. He will forever be credited as a hero in the history books. A police officer who was doing his job and gave his life. I don't believe that he necessarily had any cause to believe Oswald was the assassin. What he did have cause to note was that Oswald was acting suspiciously. It was good police work.
It was good police work
> Presenting himself as he did to Oswald was sloppy, 'poor dumb cop' work
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Why was a police officer killed in the line of duty while doing his job a hero? Are you for real? In this particular case, Tippit noted someone behaving suspiciously. What exactly Oswald did to draw his attention cannot be known but Oswald had ample cause, as someone who had just assassinated the president, to not want to be seen by the police. Tippit was not satisfied by whatever bull Oswald told him through the window and Tippit decided to pursue the matter further. Outstanding police work that eventually led to the apprehension of the man who assassinated the president of the United States. Tippit was murdered in the process by a criminal. That checks all the boxes for being a hero. He will forever be credited as a hero in the history books. A police officer who was doing his job and gave his life. I don't believe that he necessarily had any cause to believe Oswald was the assassin. What he did have cause to note was that Oswald was acting suspiciously. It was good police work.
You've got a weird perception of what makes somebody a hero.
Why was a police officer killed in the line of duty while doing his job a hero? Are you for real?
Yes. He was a cop doing his job. That alone doesn't make him a hero and neither does getting shot and killed.
In fact, there was nothing heroic about anything Tippit did, unless you want to call getting out of a car to talk to a civilian, he clearly did not perceive to be a threat, an act of heroism.
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A hero ::) yip his actions beforehand wasn't suspicious :D, wildly pulling over random cars searching them without uttering a word, running into the shop using the phone and bursting back out again, Tippit was knee deep in this conspiracy ;)
Tippit was knee deep in this conspiracy ;)....
I have a feeling that you're right, David..... But unfortunately the DPD closed ranks and blamed his murder on Lee Oswald. So we probably will never know what his role was? But putting the assassination aside....Tippit could very easily have been involved in narcotics....and there may be persons still alive that could verify the rumor...
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In this particular case, Tippit noted someone behaving suspiciously. What exactly Oswald did to draw his attention cannot be known but Oswald had ample cause, as someone who had just assassinated the president, to not want to be seen by the police. Tippit was not satisfied by whatever bull Oswald told him through the window and Tippit decided to pursue the matter further.
Total speculation...then contradicts his own conjecture.
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You've got a weird perception of what makes somebody a hero.
Why was a police officer killed in the line of duty while doing his job a hero? Are you for real?
Yes. He was a cop doing his job. That alone doesn't make him a hero and neither does getting shot and killed.
In fact, there was nothing heroic about anything Tippit did, unless you want to call getting out of a car to talk to a civilian, he clearly did not perceive to be a threat, an act of heroism.
Why am I not surprised that you do not appreciate the risk associated with being a police officer? Every police officer who leaves his home is putting himself or herself at risk of harm to protect the public. Every time they approach a car or suspicious person, they are putting themselves at some risk. Thankfully in most instances nothing happens. But in some instances, a simple questioning of suspicious person results in getting killed when the person being approached is someone like Oswald. A cold blooded killer in flight from assassinating the president. Tippit didn't have to rush into a burning building to rescue a baby to be a hero. He took a risk every time he left his home. He used his skills as a police officer to identify a person acting suspiciously and did his job to question that person. He paid for it with his life. His actions led directly to the police closing in and arresting the assassin of the President. Tippit will be remembered in the history books long after you are forgotten.
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Why am I not surprised that you do not appreciate the risk associated with being a police officer? Every police officer who leaves his home is putting himself or herself at risk of harm to protect the public. Every time they approach a car or suspicious person, they are putting themselves at some risk. Thankfully in most instances nothing happens. But in some instances, a simple questioning of suspicious person results in getting killed when the person being approached is someone like Oswald. A cold blooded killer in flight from assassinating the president. Tippit didn't have to rush into a burning building to rescue a baby to be a hero. He took a risk every time he left his home. He used his skills as a police officer to identify a person acting suspiciously and did his job to question that person. He paid for it with his life. His actions led directly to the police closing in and arresting the assassin of the President. Tippit will be remembered in the history books long after you are forgotten.
Why am I not surprised that you do not appreciate the risk associated with being a police officer? Every police officer who leaves his home is putting himself or herself at risk of harm to protect the public. Every time they approach a car or suspicious person, they are putting themselves at some risk.
Why am I not surprised that you have such a low opinion of the American public?
Isn't it amazing that in a country which calls itself "land of the free" the people are fearfull of the police and the police are fearfull of the general public to the extent that they will shoot unarmed people simply because they look suspicious. So much paranoia!
Btw don't compare the dangers cops face now with those in 1963. You said it yourself;
No DPD officer had been killed for years before Tippit's murder.
Tippit didn't have to rush into a burning building to rescue a baby to be a hero. He took a risk every time he left his home.
As do I every time I leave my house, whenever I'm back home. Does that make me a hero too?
Tippit will be remembered in the history books long after you are forgotten.
So will Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, Jack the ripper, Vlad the impaler, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Dahmer, Billy the Kid, Ponce de León, Stalin and many others.... Stop making a fool of yourself with your OTT dramatics.
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Why am I not surprised that you do not appreciate the risk associated with being a police officer? Every police officer who leaves his home is putting himself or herself at risk of harm to protect the public. Every time they approach a car or suspicious person, they are putting themselves at some risk.
Why am I not surprised that you have such a low opinion of the American public?
Isn't it amazing that in a country which calls itself "land of the free" the people are fearfull of the police and the police are fearfull of the general public to the extent that they will shoot unarmed people simply because they look suspicious. So much paranoia!
Btw don't compare the dangers cops face now with those in 1963. You said it yourself;
Tippit didn't have to rush into a burning building to rescue a baby to be a hero. He took a risk every time he left his home.
As do I every time I leave my house, whenever I'm back home. Does that make me a hero too?
Tippit will be remembered in the history books long after you are forgotten.
So will Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, Jack the ripper, Val the impaler, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Dahmer, Billy the Kid, Ponce de León, Stalin and many others.... Stop making a fool of yourself with your OTT dramatics.
Weirdest post of the year. You equate the risk of your leaving home with that of a police officer going on duty? Wow. And compare Tippit to Hitler, Jack the Ripper, and Stalin? You should be ashamed of that level of stupidity. Join Walt in writing a letter of apology to the Tippit family and begging their forgiveness for your offensive ignorance.
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Weirdest post of the year. You equate the risk of your leaving home with that of a police officer going on duty? Wow. And compare Tippit to Hitler, Jack the Ripper, and Stalin? You should be ashamed of that level of stupidity. Join Walt in writing a letter of apology to the Tippit family and begging their forgiveness for your offensive ignorance.
You equate the risk of your leaving home with that of a police officer going on duty?
No. I asked a question..... You know, one of those you never answer.
No DPD officer had been killed for years before Tippit's murder.
And compare Tippit to Hitler, Jack the Ripper, and Stalin?
No, you did
Why am I not surprised that you don't understand a word of what I actually wrote?
Bottom line; Tippit was a cop who got killed in the line of duty. That doesn't make him a hero. Deal with it!
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OMG Tippit searched some cars and made a phone call, what a criminal.
JohnM
Absolutely strange criminal behaviour, the people he pulled over said he had a wild look on his face while saying nothing, you're star witness Markham and others stated he chatted to his killer which implies he knew him, Markham the nut also claimed she was with Tippit 20 Mins after the shooting on her own :D :D :D the nut also failed to identify LHO until she was prompted ( quite clearly she was bonkers but easily manipulated) Reynolds refused to identify LHO until he was shot shortly afterwards by an associate of Ruby :D Clemons stated there was 2 involved, Domingo Benavides described a man different to LHO and was threatened to keep his mouth shut and pretty much did so after his brother was shot, lets no forget no fingerprints found on the supposed murder weapon, the whole thing stinks beyond reasonable doubt. So we have several witnesses who refused to identify LHO 1 ends up shot the other ones brother is shot in an apparent mistaken identify, that's pretty long odds. Then we have Tippit who moonlighted as a club bouncer in and around Dallas and idiots actually try to say that Ruby and Tippit wouldn't know each other :D :D Aye ok .
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OMG Tippit searched some cars and made a phone call, what a criminal.
JohnM
And who the hell was 'Val the impaler Impaler?
Vlad's effeminate twin bro? hahaha
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And who the hell was 'Val the impaler Impaler?
Vlad's effeminate twin bro? hahaha
He was just a typo. Insignificant, just like you.
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He was just a typo. Insignificant, just like you.
Two typos, Slick
'Impaler' requires capitalization
And you call yourself a history buff. Here, get an education..
do some actual research before tossing names around.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yVDRnMQ/Screen-Shot-2021-10-02-at-7-11-47-AM.png)
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Two typos, Slick
'Impaler' requires capitalization
And you call yourself a history buff. Here, get an education..
do some actual research before tossing names around.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yVDRnMQ/Screen-Shot-2021-10-02-at-7-11-47-AM.png)
Why don't you try to get a life..
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Two typos, Slick
'Impaler' requires capitalization
And you call yourself a history buff. Here, get an education..
do some actual research before tossing names around.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yVDRnMQ/Screen-Shot-2021-10-02-at-7-11-47-AM.png)
Lil Chappie.....Why don't you go play on the freeway..... It's free......
You've made it very clear that you have an unbridaled and irrational hatred for Lee Oswald ....... And if you were rational and honest you'd have to admit that you know virtually nothing about him. Your hatred is simply a blind hatred that you formed from the propaganda that has been released.
Like you and you bitter hatred for Lee Oswald , I have a strong revulsion for JD Tippit..... So it's easy to allow myself to accept that he was not a good cop.
Tippit was an officer with the DPD for ten years and had never been promoted..... That record does nothing to dispel my image of Tippit.