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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Izraul Hidashi on June 17, 2021, 02:18:32 AM
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For the people who say there was no conspiracy, why was there Carcano 2 rifles with the same number?
Now before any of the usual "experts" open their mouths to criticize me and claim there wasn't 2 rifles with the same serial number, let me just nip that in the bud right now. I can prove it.
There was in fact 2 rifles with same serial number being used to frame Oswald. And in fact, I took the time to point out the differences between the 2, which proves beyond a doubt that people went to a lot of trouble to frame Oswald. If he was guilty, why would they have to frame him? If there was no conspiracy, why would there be 2 rifles with the same serial number?
You can see that someone clearly altered one of the rifles serial numbers, which is a federal crime. And there's only a few suspects who could have done it, all of which being law enforcement. So all that nonsense about there being "no conspiracy" is BS.
The rifle shown in Life Magazine is in the archives. The other was shown to the Warren Commission, and on the History Channel. One has a stamp, the other doesn't.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WDQy76nuEECQ5t8H7
Here's a close up of view of the 2 Carcano rifles to better see the different fonts. And you can actually see C 2763 was altered to reflect
C 2766.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WS4JyhBgmKxqY8v36
With all the blatant lies told by police & fbi, changes in testimonies and manufactured evidence, it's clear people were trying extra hard to frame Oswald. It's too bad he was murdered before he had a chance to really speak. Gee...I can't imagine why!
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For the people who say there was no conspiracy, why was there Carcano 2 rifles with the same number?
Now before any of the usual "experts" open their mouths to criticize me and claim there wasn't 2 rifles with the same serial number, let me just nip that in the bud right now. I can prove it.
There was in fact 2 rifles with same serial number being used to frame Oswald. And in fact, I took the time to point out the differences between the 2, which proves beyond a doubt that people went to a lot of trouble to frame Oswald. If he was guilty, why would they have to frame him? If there was no conspiracy, why would there be 2 rifles with the same serial number?
You can see that someone clearly altered one of the rifles serial numbers, which is a federal crime. And there's only a few suspects who could have done it, all of which being law enforcement. So all that nonsense about there being "no conspiracy" is BS.
The rifle shown in Life Magazine is in the archives. The other was shown to the Warren Commission, and on the History Channel. One has a stamp, the other doesn't.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WDQy76nuEECQ5t8H7
Here's a close up of view of the 2 Carcano rifles to better see the different fonts. And you can actually see C 2763 was altered to reflect
C 2766.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WS4JyhBgmKxqY8v36
With all the blatant lies told by police & fbi, changes in testimonies and manufactured evidence, it's clear people were trying extra hard to frame Oswald. It's too bad he was murdered before he had a chance to really speak. Gee...I can't imagine why!
Do you maintain the "Kennedy Assassination Research Page"?
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The rifle shown in Life Magazine is in the archives. The other was shown to the Warren Commission, and on the History Channel. One has a stamp, the other doesn't.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WDQy76nuEECQ5t8H7
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305134
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Appears to have a lot to do with camera angle, lighting, photo-resolution and compression artifacts.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1uwuEHNaXdEQuA77v1DVYcqlNbPxD1Ufi)
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Appears to have a lot to do with camera angle, lighting, photo-resolution and compression artifacts.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1j4PIpNCtZbphz0kmWxmCckNi3vDlG5He)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1uwuEHNaXdEQuA77v1DVYcqlNbPxD1Ufi)
Hi Jerry, I was going to point out the irregularity at the end of the "C" but your presentation is very nice which makes any further effort on my part, pointless. Thanks.
What I did find very interesting is your "thinking outside of the box" and locating the corresponding nicks on the edge of the barrel, nice work.
Here's a quick GIF of some military rifle serial numbers some of which were Oswald's model and it appears to me that with this era of rifles, all the striking was done pretty randomly with each letter/number being individually struck by hand, which if true makes the example in the OP extremely unlikely.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RCcs17MV/various-military-rifle-serial-numbers.gif)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1444/3046/products/stampset.jpg?v=1510845733)
JohnM
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Hi Jerry, I was going to point out the irregularity at the end of the "C" but your presentation is very nice which makes any further effort on my part, pointless. Thanks.
What I did find very interesting is your "thinking outside of the box" and locating the corresponding nicks on the edge of the barrel, nice work.
Here's a quick GIF of some military rifle serial numbers some of which were Oswald's model and it appears to me that with this era of rifles, all the striking was done pretty randomly with each letter/number being individually struck by hand, which if true makes the example in the OP extremely unlikely.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RCcs17MV/various-military-rifle-serial-numbers.gif)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1444/3046/products/stampset.jpg?v=1510845733)
JohnM
Good stuff. Maybe enlist 'the Beard of Knowledge' from 'Pawn Stars' for the final stamp of approval, so-to-speak. ;)
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Good stuff. Maybe enlist 'the Beard of Knowledge' from 'Pawn Stars' for the final stamp of approval, so-to-speak. ;)
Yeah, it would be nice to have full closure but I'm pretty sure from seeing a hundred or so Military serial numbers from that time frame and the only constant I could see is that they all appear to be stamped in the same haphazard way.
But getting back to the title of this thread, a new twist I see over on the ED forum is that there is now THREE C2766 carcano's, "Jesus" has added another carcano based on a passage quoted from John Lattimer's book "Kennedy and Lincoln"? Thumb1:
JohnM
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So theoretically, a high ranking military combat officer in Italy in 1944, who collected a lot of MC rifles from surrendering Italians, could have many of those without any serial numbers on them which could be at a later date, “hand” stamped and sold as army surplus?
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For the people who say there was no conspiracy, why was there Carcano 2 rifles with the same number?
There was in fact 2 rifles with same serial number being used to frame Oswald. And in fact, I took the time to point out the differences between the 2, which proves beyond a doubt that people went to a lot of trouble to frame Oswald. If he was guilty, why would they have to frame him? If there was no conspiracy, why would there be 2 rifles with the same serial number?
You can see that someone clearly altered one of the rifles serial numbers, which is a federal crime. And there's only a few suspects who could have done it, all of which being law enforcement. So all that nonsense about there being "no conspiracy" is BS.
With all the blatant lies told by police & fbi, changes in testimonies and manufactured evidence, it's clear people were trying extra hard to frame Oswald. It's too bad he was murdered before he had a chance to really speak. Gee...I can't imagine why!
Wow! You're right! This just totally proves beyond any reasonable doubt that there was a conspiracy and that someone was clearly trying to frame Oswald.
What better way to frame Oswald than to alter the serial numbers in order to create TWO identical Mannlicher-Carcano rifles, neither of which contain any clear fingerprints by Oswald and neither of which can be conclusively identified as being the weapon that fired bullet CE399.
If people were "trying extra hard to frame Oswald" they clearly should have tried harder. If you're going to commit a federal crime and plant evidence why not plant a bullet that can be clearly identified as coming the Mannlicher-Carcano and plant fingerprints on the rifle?
I'm not quite sure what the theory behind your accusations was meant to achieve but it seems pointless and ridiculous to me. How was having two duplicate rifles meant to frame Oswald?
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So theoretically, a high ranking military combat officer in Italy in 1944, who collected a lot of MC rifles from surrendering Italians, could have many of those without any serial numbers on them which could be at a later date, “hand” stamped and sold as army surplus?
Also theoretically, and this is just a theory mind you but maybe Oswald bought a rifle from Kleins, he was photographed with the rifle, he was seen carrying a large package by someone who wasn't paying specific attention, he left his prints on the rifle, he left a tuft of fibers that matched the shirt he was wearing on the rifle, he killed the President and he left the rifle at his place of work, it's just a theory but it does make sense and it sure covers all the evidence without the need for some conspiracy of thousands.
JohnM
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Wow! You're right! This just totally proves beyond any reasonable doubt that there was a conspiracy and that someone was clearly trying to frame Oswald.
What better way to frame Oswald than to alter the serial numbers in order to create TWO identical Mannlicher-Carcano rifles, neither of which contain any clear fingerprints by Oswald and neither of which can be conclusively identified as being the weapon that fired bullet CE399.
If people were "trying extra hard to frame Oswald" they clearly should have tried harder. If you're going to commit a federal crime and plant evidence why not plant a bullet that can be clearly identified as coming the Mannlicher-Carcano and plant fingerprints on the rifle?
I'm not quite sure what the theory behind your accusations was meant to achieve but it seems pointless and ridiculous to me. How was having two duplicate rifles meant to frame Oswald?
I don't get it. Are you saying that isn't unusual someone altered the serial numbers on one of the rifles? You're proving my point about LN's.
"Oh someone altered the serial numbers on a rifle to frame someone? That's no big deal. That doesn't mean anything. Oh the cops tried to claim they found Oswald's wallet at Tippet's murder scene?" That's nothing. Oh the Warren Commission tried to claim Oswald shot a broken gun 3x at light speed, took the the time to hide the gun, ran 5 flights of stairs invisibly, ran in to officer Baker 1 min 20 seconds after, bought a coke, waked another flight of stairs and left his work all in 3 minutes... So!? What's so weird about that? It's perfectly normal."
But what I showed is ridiculous to you. LOL That's what ridiculous huh? Thumb1:
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I don't get it. Are you saying that isn't unusual someone altered the serial numbers on one of the rifles? You're proving my point about LN's.
"Oh someone altered the serial numbers on a rifle to frame someone? That's no big deal. That doesn't mean anything. Oh the cops tried to claim they found Oswald's wallet at Tippet's murder scene?" That's nothing. Oh the Warren Commission tried to claim Oswald shot a broken gun 3x at light speed, took the the time to hide the gun, ran 5 flights of stairs invisibly, ran in to officer Baker 1 min 20 seconds after, bought a coke, waked another flight of stairs and left his work all in 3 minutes... So!? What's so weird about that? It's perfectly normal."
But what I showed is ridiculous to you. LOL That's what ridiculous huh? Thumb1:
Oh the cops tried to claim they found Oswald's wallet at Tippet's murder scene?
Huh? Are you saying that the Police who apparently were in on the conspiracy, concealed evidence that linked Oswald directly to the crime scene? How does that even make sense?
JohnM
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Also theoretically, and this is just a theory mind you but maybe Oswald bought a rifle from Kleins, he was photographed with the rifle, he was seen carrying a large package by someone who wasn't paying specific attention, he left his prints on the rifle, he left a tuft of fibers that matched the shirt he was wearing on the rifle, he killed the President and he left the rifle at his place of work, it's just a theory but it does make sense and it sure covers all the evidence without the need for some conspiracy of thousands.
JohnM
That's doesn't qualify as a "theory". It's just conjecture.