You really don't need to keep opening new threads for this same topic.Yes the existing threads re Hickey are not huge, & they do already contain some very good comments & info, which i dont want to ignore, but, i have lots & lots to cover, re different aspects, in the next few days, & these different aspects do not automatically jump out for everyone doing a search unless they know exactly what they dont know. And 50 page threads are ugly & very user unfriendly.
Actually i am interested in what Oswald's escape plan was, did it involve a safe house, did it involve doing a robbery & getting to Mexico, was there a plane waiting at the airport. But i dont expect to post on any of that.
Many was called as a witness, why wasnt no-one called????????What does that even mean?
Of those 20 links posted above....all come up as a 'google error'--- check this before you post :-\What does that even mean?Ok thanx for that. It looks like Google Photos only shares with other members. [edit][i forgot to share][now shared].
The value of Dillard's photographic work would not come into play until some years later, when he handed his twelve negatives over to the HSCA inquiry into the shooting of JFK. The idea was to enhance the negatives to allow a better view of the window and imagery inside the window in the hope that they might show if Lee Harvey Oswald was standing in the window frame at the various times of each bullet being fired..........https://www.heraldsun.com.au/jfk-the-smoking-gun-reveals-shocking-new-details-about-who-was-responsible-for-gunning-down-jfk/news-story/6c8a3ba473172faca7d91717683cf95f
All twelve negatives were irreversibly destroyed during the enhancement process, a process that did not involve Tom Dillard. Not only did Dillard never get asked to explain his gunpowder observation to the original Warren Commission hearing, his now destroyed negatives denied him, and anyone trying to unravel the death of JFK, an opportunity to see if there was a picture that might have told a thousand words. Tom's disappointment was followed by his comment on the entire affair: 'a nauseating boondoggle'.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/jfk-the-smoking-gun-reveals-shocking-new-details-about-who-was-responsible-for-gunning-down-jfk/news-story/6c8a3ba473172faca7d91717683cf95fYes all of that supports my wordage that no-one saw (reported seeing) gunsmoke at the 6th floor.
https://sites.google.com/view/bronson-ar15-inframe11/home
Spot the AR15.
This shows B11 which is 2 or 3 frames after the fatal shot at B09 or B08 (Zapruder frame 313 is B09 or praps a little before B09).
Enuff time i think for the AR15 to recoil from horizontal in B09 to near vertical in B11.
That little patch of pink at the AR15 aint Hickey's hand it is Bennett's face, which is the main reason that we can make out a fuzzy AR15 at all, if Bennett wasnt low down & leaning forward then we would not be able to see the AR15, but luckily it shows up dark against Bennett's face. Likewise in another frame.
More to come.
Of those 20 links posted above....all come up as a 'google error'--- check this before you post :-\What does that even mean?
Well, whatever it means, it sounds VERY profound.It means that the silly gunsmoke evidence that is the main basis for the silly sniper at the picket fence theory must if u apply that kind of reasoning also serve as evidence that Ruby did not shoot Oswald because no-one saw gunsmoke. And no-one shot from the 6th floor, & no-one shot Tippit, & no-one shot from Queen Mary.
I saw a claim that smoke can be seen in or near Queen Mary in Bronson's footage.
I can't see any. If Hickey fired at B09 then we might see smoke at B10 B11 B12, & this would have to be at chest level in front of Hickey & the standing Agents, but i dont see any such smoke.
A patch of grass on the knoll behind Queen Mary seems to change color slightly from frame to frame, but that doesn't prove anything much.
Would an AR15 give much smoke? I suspect that Hickey fired an auto burst of 3 shots, so praps 3 shots might make an appreciable amount of smoke. Dunno.
Smoke evidence proves that ..
(1) No-one shot from the 6th floor -- no-one saw gunsmoke.
(2) No-one shot Tippit -- no-one saw gunsmoke.
(3) No-one shot from the Queen Mary -- no-one saw gunsmoke.
(4) A shot came from the picket fence many saw gunsmoke.
Many was called as a witness -- why wasnt no-one called? -- why wasnt No-one found guilty?
It means that the silly gunsmoke evidence that is the main basis for the silly sniper at the picket fence theory must if u apply that kind of reasoning also serve as evidence that Ruby did not shoot Oswald because no-one saw gunsmoke. And no-one shot from the 6th floor, & no-one shot Tippit, & no-one shot from Queen Mary.
You need to up your game, Marjan........ we can top this. google 'mark o'blazney meets culto'.Nope. I googled that. Nothing found. Can u give me a good link.
you're welcome+
Yes all of that supports my wordage that no-one saw (reported seeing) gunsmoke at the 6th floor.
However gunsmoke was seen near Queen Mary, because i suppose that there is always a little observable smoke, & as i have said in another thread Hickey fired an auto burst of 3 shots hence 3 lots of a little smoke.
Re Dillard that article says twice that Dillard observed gunsmoke when in fact he hadnt -- smelling gunsmoke should not be called observing gunsmoke.
And the timing of Dillard smelling gunsmoke is wrong. He could not have smelled gunsmoke until much later when the wind carried it from the location of Queen Mary at B09, or until he met the smell say halfway or something.
no-one saw (reported seeing) gunsmoke at the 6th floor. That's because there were no shots fired from the SE corner window on the 6th floor. And there were also no shots fired from the Queen Mary....It would take weeks to read all of the reports books statements etc, 99% of it contradictory. Most of the witness statements are clearly worthless-misleading-wrong-lies, & we must decide which are true, & the rare true bits are hidden in the middle of rubbish.
The Bronson film shows Hickey at a height such that his rifle could not go above the Queen Mary's windshield, let alone the upraised sun-visors.My Bronson thread deals with this.Line drawing of the Hickey shot from the "Mortal Error" book (flipped for
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(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/misc/newsgroup/spacers/dot_clear.gif)Graphics from the Pat Speer site.
comparison purposes) and superimposed over a Bronson film frame.
The agents shown in the Bronson were seated much lower than the "Mortal Error" drawing showed. Hickey's waistline would be about the level of the car-rail.
The Hickey shot is a myth. All Secret Service ammo was accounted for after the assassination. Nobody in Hickey's car heard him fire a shot. Two of the people in the car with Hickey were close Kennedy aides and friends Powers and O'Donnell. We now know that Powers and O'Donnell told federal agents that shots came from the grassy knoll but that the agents pressured them into changing their stories. Yes, a number of people in Dealey Plaza smelled the scent of gun powder, but that smell was from the grassy knoll shots. One shot from an AR-15 rifle would not have produced a strong, lingering smell of gun powder that could be smelled from several spots near Elm Street--that just would not happen from a single shot from an AR-15. The cowlick entry site has been debunked, and the trajectory from Hickey's rifle to the EOP entry site does not work.Hickey fired 4 or 5 or 6 shots. JFK's head did not lie. The cracked windshield did not lie. The dented chrome strip did not lie. Tague's bloody left cheek did not lie.
Hickey fired 4 or 5 or 6 shots. JFK's head did not lie. The cracked windshield did not lie. The dented chrome strip did not lie. Tague's bloody left cheek did not lie.
I am surprized that no-one has replicated the dent in the chrome trim -- a hollow point would do the trick -- a sharp hard nosed slug would probly make a hole -- even Oswald's carcano would have made a hole i think (i mean if fired from close range square-on)(not from the TSBD).
And of course fragments of a carcano slug would never make that dent in a million years.
The Hickey shot is a myth. All Secret Service ammo was accounted for after the assassination. Nobody in Hickey's car heard him fire a shot. Two of the people in the car with Hickey were close Kennedy aides and friends Powers and O'Donnell. We now know that Powers and O'Donnell told federal agents that shots came from the grassy knoll but that the agents pressured them into changing their stories. Yes, a number of people in Dealey Plaza smelled the scent of gun powder, but that smell was from the grassy knoll shots. One shot from an AR-15 rifle would not have produced a strong, lingering smell of gun powder that could be smelled from several spots near Elm Street--that just would not happen from a single shot from an AR-15. The cowlick entry site has been debunked, and the trajectory from Hickey's rifle to the EOP entry site does not work.1. It was not a shot it was an auto burst of at least 4 shots.
The Hickey shot is a myth. All Secret Service ammo was accounted for after the assassination. Nobody in Hickey's car heard him fire a shot. Two of the people in the car with Hickey were close Kennedy aides and friends Powers and O'Donnell. We now know that Powers and O'Donnell told federal agents that shots came from the grassy knoll but that the agents pressured them into changing their stories. Yes, a number of people in Dealey Plaza smelled the scent of gun powder, but that smell was from the grassy knoll shots. One shot from an AR-15 rifle would not have produced a strong, lingering smell of gun powder that could be smelled from several spots near Elm Street--that just would not happen from a single shot from an AR-15. The cowlick entry site has been debunked, and the trajectory from Hickey's rifle to the EOP entry site does not work.I said that . 2. I havent seen any reference that said ammo was accounted for (ie & none missing) certainly not signed or sworn or under oath?
I said that . 2. I havent seen any reference that said ammo was accounted for (ie & none missing) certainly not signed or sworn or under oath?You and Ralph Stinky oughta get a room, uh.......
Ok, lets have a closer look. Here is a bit of Floyd Boring's interview/testimony in 1996 ..
MEETING REPORT Documents Author: Douglas Home/ARRB Date Created: 09/l 9/96 Meeting Logistics Date: 09/l 8196 Agency Name: Witnesses/Consultants Attendees: Dr. Joan Zimmerman, Doug Home, and Floyd Boring Topic: interview of Floyd Boring. Summary of the Meeting. Joan Zimmerman and I interviewed .
. Floyd Boring, after consenting to being taped, verified that he had never been interviewed by the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, or any other government body in connection with the Kennedy assassination. In response to our question, he stated that he was perfectly free to talk about the assassination, and was not under any oral or written prohibition which would prevent him from speaking freely about the events of November, 1963
..Mr. Boring on his own initiative brought up the subject of SA Hickey being accused by a conspiracy theorist of accidentally shooting the President with the AR-15 rifle from the follow-up car. He firmly stated his opinion that this theory was ridiculous and incorrect. He said he knows it was incorrect because he personally inspected the weapons (plural) during the automobile inspection to see whether they had been fired--by the weapons, he explained he meant both a shotgun, and the AR-15 in the Queen Mary. He said the inspection consisted of both opening each weapon and inspecting its barrel (for powder debris), as well as checking the shells in the magazine to see whether any were missing. Based on his examination of the AR-15 rifle, he stated that he concluded that it was not fired that day, since its barrel was clean, and the clip was not missing any shells
Floyd of course lied re the AR15.
Re the shotgun i am pretty sure that there was no shotgun in or near Queen Mary hence we may be permitted to start thinking that rather than being a liar, Floyd Boring was clearly soft in the head.
Floyd Boring being soft in the head is pretty much confirmed later in that interview when he says that his SSA team found a large bit of JFK's skull in Queen Mary. Days after this interview Floyd Boring sheepishly admitted his error, & admitted that the bit of skull had in fact been found in the JFK limo, not Queen Mary. And Floyd Boring added that he had had a stroke, hence his memory was affected. But, he did not admit his error re the shotgun -- & no mention of his BS that he checked the AR15 & ammo for the AR15. And this is the BS that Michael T Griffith pedals.
Actually, Floyd was at home on that day -- Floyd was not in Dallas -- so, how could he do a proper check of AR15 & ammo -- he couldnt -- mightbe he did do a check on another day in another part of theUSofA -- SHEESHHHHH.
Like i said -- Michael & anyone else can ask any question re the Hickey saga -- & i will hit it out of the ballpark -- &, as i said, one strike & i am out (ie Hickey is out) -- but it wont happen, koz Hickey did the dirty deed -- &, more than that, it wont happen koz i know more about this than everyone else here put together -- SHEEEEESHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Bronson saw Hickey shoot JFK.
I downloaded the 15 frames of Bronson's footage from the link below.
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=15
I cropped & enlarged the frames to show just Queen Mary (with Hickey sitting-standing in the left rear seat). I loaded the frames into their own folder in my computer, & i opened the pix using Microsoft Office. Then when i pressed my left or right arrow button the 15 frames would cycle as if they were a film, backwards or forwards, albeit much faster than the original speed (how can i slow it down?). [Ok i slowed my key settings & now the "footage" runs at a perfect slowish fps, nothing can stop me now].
The frames are named 4 to 18 (does the Bronson footage have an official numbering?). But to get them to play in proper sequence in Microsoft Office i found that i had to name them starting with 18-12 & ending with 4-13, where the leading number say 18 is artificial & the second number say 12 is the true number of the frame. Hence the name sequence started with 18-12 followed by 17-11 then 16-10 .. then 10-4 then 9-18 . & finishing with 4-13.
U might not need that silly naming sequence if u open the pix in some other program, but then u might find that the frames cycle ok but they dont stop at 18, they just keep going & going, which aint good neither.
So what i had was a close-up pseudo-version of Bronson's footage, showing just Queen Mary. This wasnt very useful because it was so blurry etc.
So nextly i cropped the frames so that Queen Mary appeared perfectly stationary, & the spectators whizzed past. This worked much better, now u could actually see something happening in an intelligible way. I said "perfectly stationary", but its rough, & i am too lazy to improve it (praps later).
When i say stationary, Queen Mary is stationary in the horizontal sense, but u will notice that Queen Mary sinks slowly in the vertical sense as it goes along, because Elm Street falls, or more correctly because Bronson didnt pan proper. I could have cropped to negate this gradual sinkage, but i didnt, because i knew that later i would need to measure vertical elevations (are there any other kind?) off each frame, & the easiest way of doing that was to have a fixed vertical reference (more about that later).
So, this pseudo-film of Queen Mary was an interesting exercise, but up to now it hasnt yielded any useful info, too blurry, Hickey hidden by spectators, etc.
So, i had to examine & measure each frame individually to make any sense of it all, ie to see what Hickey did or didnt do when JFK was shot at Z313. And it worked. More later.
It was just rotten luck, he was just doing his job.
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOjmTDfy0n8OAmLmcAl30M0BbQ-uGLMxMAowSmZ
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JCxBiTX8WyuG77wu9
https://sites.google.com/view/bronsonfilmframes/home
Hickey the "Armpit Assassin" doesn't work.In the Donahue drawing Donahue shows SSA McIntyre 6'1" (73") high standing on a 9" running board, which adds to 82".
Powers would, if he possessed a rifle instead of a camera.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/rifle-sling-positions-low-ready-retention-and-high-ready-dVDi0JIeutqXVf8J/ (https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/rifle-sling-positions-low-ready-retention-and-high-ready-dVDi0JIeutqXVf8J/)
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You know this is not true. You posted this same argument on the Education Forum's JFK Assassination Debate section, and several veteran researchers explained to you why this is not true.Tell me exactly what is not true -- just one little thing -- & one strike & my Hickey theory (actually Donahue's Hickey theory) is out.
Hickey the "Armpit Assassin" doesn't work.I'll ask again as I did previously.
Powers would, if he possessed a rifle instead of a camera.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/rifle-sling-positions-low-ready-retention-and-high-ready-dVDi0JIeutqXVf8J/ (https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/rifle-sling-positions-low-ready-retention-and-high-ready-dVDi0JIeutqXVf8J/)
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I'll ask again as I did previously.My #44 answers your #43 -- but i now add the following.
How does a rifle (more than likely pointed downward at a 45° into the floorboard initially) end up shooting an object that is approx 2.5° lower in elevation than the rifle barrel, firing from someone's armpit?
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Here are 2 gifs of the Bell footage that i made this week. If u download the 2 gifs u can watch them in full screen.Bell's footage is hard evidence re the AR15, allbeit a long time after Z312.
If u have a close look u can see that Hickey has the AR15 in both hands for most of the gif.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xNr8BB5/bell-9jan2023-ezgif.gif)
(See below) The guy far left is running koz a few seconds ago some of Hickey's auto burst whizzed just west of the lamp-pole very near to where the guy had been standing (one of the ricochets bloodied Tague's left cheek).
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZkWsXsq/gif-15f199de-616c-4578-94c6-4cd9f77b45d1.gif)
My #44 answers your #43 -- but i now add the following.
In my below drawing on the side-photo of Queen Mary ..
..If Hickey was as per his standard height (green ellipse shows his head) then he would have to hold the AR15 at almost chin height to do the dirt deed.
..If Hickey's was half way up to being fully erect (blue ellipse shows head height but not necessarily pozzy) then he would have to hold the AR15 say 1" above chest height.
..If Hickey were fully erect (red ellipse) then he would have to hold the AR15 say 4" below chest height.
Now, the (poor 2017 museum copy of the) Bronson footage shows us that at B07 (which is equivalent to Z312)(the time of the headshot) Hickey was indeed at that frame half erect (height = blue ellipse).
And, we can't see (too blurry) whether Hickey was ever higher than the blue ellipse he might have been (his auto burst must have started a say half second before Z313, ie at say Z304 or earlier).
The AR15 was laying somewhere on the floor Hickey grabbed it & lifted it up with difficulty in the small space between his feet & the back of O'Donnell's jump seat probly pointed down a bit then he lifted it above O'Donnell's head & swung it around from pointing left to pointing right while shimmying to Hickey's right so that he could get his legs out of the cramped space behind O'Donnel's seat (there was 3" of air between the front of Hickey's seat & the back of the top of O'Donnell's seat)(it was impossible to stand unless Hickey bent forward at say 45 deg while jamming his crutch forcefully into the back of O'Donnell's head)(so, Hickey had to shimmy to the center of Queen Mary).
Hickey would have intended to swing around to the rear towards the TSBD but he didnt get that far Kinney braked Queen Mary & Hickey lurched forward onto O'Donnell (there was one witness) -- & Hickey accidentally squeezed the trigger (he should not have put his finger on the trigger until he had a definite target)(this was Hickey's first day with the AR15)(the AR15 was on SAFETY & cocked & loaded)(according to SSA Floyd Boring & according to SSA Kellerman)(Hickey flicked the selector back past SEMI all the way to AUTO while he was lifting it).
The first shot of the accidental auto burst (of at least 4 shots) went over the windshield of the JFK limo this or a later shot resulted in Tague's bloody left cheek. The AR15 swung downwards as Hickey fell an AR15 usually naturally swings up during a burst, but the up was trumped by the down.
The 2nd last shot of the burst passed over the windshield of Queen Mary & under the divider/rollbar of the JFK limo, & made a huge dent in the chrome trim above & just right of the rear vision mirror it must have been a hollow-point koz a sharp nosed slug would have made a hole.
The last shot of the burst hit JFK in the head, & the remnant slug veered 6 deg & cracked the windshield the remnant slug must have then bounced out onto the street without hitting anyone.
Hickey then fell backward back onto the 2 leather cases his standard half sitting half standing pozzy (a few witnesses)(& as seen in the Bronson footage).
While lifting & swinging he could have had the AR15 under his armpit (as u insist) -- or more likely the AR15 was out in front of him & a little higher than his armpit (my reckoning) bearing in mind that he had to lift the AR15 well up over O'Donnell's head to swing around (so, no, the AR15 was not in Hickey's armpit)(it was out front, & high up).
Re your linked footage the shooter duznt ever place his AR15 anywhere near his armpit this duznt help your argument why did u include that link?
So, which bit(s) of my Hickey theory do u rate as impossible or improbable or whatever?
This is flawed from the jump. Hickey "sitting high up" was NOT at the same level as the guy in front of him. He was well above the guys in front of him and the agent alongside him in that back seat. You need to look at the films again. And that Bell footage issa joke. You can Not tell which agent is which. They coulda shifted around inside the Limo. This is currently not worthy of consideration.U should read all of my comments on this thread.
U should read all of my comments on this thread.
Here in the Willis 03 slide we can see (once again) what is needed for Hickey to swing the AR15 over O'Donnell's head, relative to the needed trajekt for the headshot -- & relative to the needed trajekt to dent the chrome trim (allbeit shown in Houston rather than Elm).
(https://i.postimg.cc/HkrVFSG3/willis-03-hickey-AR15.jpg)