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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Alan Ford on December 10, 2020, 12:00:52 AM

Title: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 10, 2020, 12:00:52 AM
To whom belong these segments of clothing?

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Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 12, 2020, 01:08:52 AM
Now! Question for the estimable Mr Denis Morrissette........

Mr Morrissette, you uploaded a video to YouTube showing Mr Walter Cronkite showing the nation--------for the first time--------the Altgens photograph containing the doorway:

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Where exactly did you get this footage from?

Thanking you, sir!  Thumb1:
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 13, 2020, 12:27:40 AM
And then Mr Cronkite showed a closeup...............

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Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 14, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
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Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Zeon Mason on December 21, 2020, 05:37:47 AM
Can anyone explain the left arm of Lovelady apparently seems to extend IN FRONT of the black man , and at the same time, the end of that long length of flannel shirt sleeve  overlapping the black man just below his face, is missing the hand!? 
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Zeon Mason on December 21, 2020, 05:41:33 AM
And the missing left side shoulder of Lovelady?
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 21, 2020, 06:40:11 AM
Can anyone explain the left arm of Lovelady apparently seems to extend IN FRONT of the black man , and at the same time, the end of that long length of flannel shirt sleeve  overlapping the black man just below his face, is missing the hand!?

People have tried to explain these problems, but not very convincingly! Unfortunately, the discussion was always in the context of the "Is the Altgens Doorwayman Lovelady or Oswald?" controversy. We know it's Mr Lovelady, but the problems with 'his' 'left arm' have never been resolved to satisfaction.
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Ray Mitcham on December 21, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
And the missing left side shoulder of Lovelady?

Zeon, Lovelady's shoulder isn't missing. He is leaning forward with his left shoulder down in order to see the motorcade which by that time had passed. Something like the photo.
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Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Ray Mitcham on December 21, 2020, 05:49:09 PM
To whom belong these segments of clothing?

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Alan, the green portion of clothing could be part of the black guy's white shirt. He  is standing below and to the right of Lovelady.
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 21, 2020, 07:15:20 PM
Alan, the green portion of clothing could be part of the black guy's white shirt. He  is standing below and to the right of Lovelady.

Ray, In the copy of Altgen's photo that you've posted ......It's clear that the man wearing the plaid shirt has his left shoulder dropped low, and the shirt is slipping off his shoulder..... And there is a heavy set man who is wearing a white shirt and tie who is standing in back of the man ( Lee Oswald ?) who is wearing the plaid shirt.    IMO The plaid shirt man is Lee Oswald.
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 21, 2020, 08:25:28 PM
Alan, the green portion of clothing could be part of the black guy's white shirt. He  is standing below and to the right of Lovelady.

Part of his right arm?

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Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 21, 2020, 08:34:40 PM
Part of his right arm?

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Are there any photos that show a little boy wearing a socking cap near the front of the TSBD ??   Or has that image been inserted to hide the face of the man who is wearing the Homberg ?
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 21, 2020, 09:11:32 PM
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Are there any photos that show a little boy wearing a socking cap near the front of the TSBD ??   Or has that image been inserted to hide the face of the man who is wearing the Homberg ?

The child can be seen in the Towner film.
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 22, 2020, 12:28:30 AM
The child can be seen in the Towner film.

Thank you Mr Ford....Is the child being held by "Mr Homberg" in the towner film ?....
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Alan Ford on December 22, 2020, 01:47:01 PM
Thank you Mr Ford....Is the child being held by "Mr Homberg" in the towner film ?....

Who cares? They're nowhere near the doorway
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Walt Cakebread on December 22, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
Who cares? They're nowhere near the doorway

Very well...... I guess my inquisitive mind was working overtime.....   I just was curious if someone had inserted the stocking cap child in front of a face that they didn't want us to see.....
Title: Re: Looking at the Altgens Photograph
Post by: Zeon Mason on December 24, 2020, 03:16:44 AM
Walt, take a look at the 1 frame/sec version of the Towner film and see if you see what  I see.

I found fedora hat man and he is quite further away away from the entrance, which explains the apparent oversized figure in Althens caused by perspective.

However,I see neither a woman nor child next to the man in the entire coverage until at the very LAST couple of frames coincidentally literally instantaneously as the 2nd motorcycle cops helmet moves out of the way

There is NO child visible in ALL the sequence of frames BEFORE this cops helmet obscures the LOS to the black hat and suit man

Also , itís a pretty close match imo of the mans white shirt and tie can visible to the image of tie man behind Lovelady In the Altgens 6 photo.