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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Thomas Graves on June 05, 2020, 09:53:07 PM

Title: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 05, 2020, 09:53:07 PM
Or, was it a "Homosexual Thrill Kill Conspiracy" like Jim Garrison's virtual filmscript-in-progress originally read (before that 1967 KGB article was published in Paese Sera, that is)?

https://staging.quillette.com/2018/09/27/the-soviets-and-the-jfk-conspiracy-theorists/

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Paul May on June 05, 2020, 10:01:30 PM
Seems like a yes or no question soooo, I say no.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 05, 2020, 10:13:10 PM
Seems like a yes or no question soooo, I say no.

Paul,

Shall I make it multiple choice, with all of the permutations?

All fifty of them, or so?

--  MWT  ;)

Vladimir Putin would like that, wouldn't he?

Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: John Tonkovich on June 05, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
Mr. Graves.
You seem to lack knowledge of Mr. Robert West's surveys of Dealey Plaza,..even though you were once a moderator at the Simkin forum. Might want to check out Purvis' posts.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 05, 2020, 10:50:11 PM
Mr. Graves.
You seem to lack knowledge of Mr. Robert West's surveys of Dealey Plaza,..even though you were once a moderator at the Simkin forum. Might want to check out Purvis' posts.

Tankovich,

Da?

Tak ...

1) What does any of that have to do with this thread?

2) I never was a moderator at the so-called Education Forum. (Gordon seems to prefer hard-core Socialists, Antifas,Trotskyists and even Bolshies over there.)

3) It's no longer John "I Hate America" Simpkin's forum.  Pity that, old chum. Carry on.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: John Tonkovich on June 05, 2020, 10:59:38 PM
Tankovich,

Da?

Tak ...

1) What does any of that have to do with this thread?

2) I never was a moderator at the so-called Education Forum. (Gordon seems to prefer hard-core Socialists, Antifas,Trotskyists and even Bolshies over there.)

3) It's no longer John "I Hate America" Simpkin's forum.  Pity that, old chum. Carry on.

--  MWT  ;)
Ok. I stand corrected.  But you were a member.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 05, 2020, 11:07:44 PM
Ok. I stand corrected.  But you were a member.

Tak!

Very good!

But still, what do Tom Purvis' posts, plat-based or otherwise, have to do with this thread in particular, or my understanding / misunderstanding of what went down in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 in general?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: John Tonkovich on June 05, 2020, 11:13:49 PM
Tak!

Very good!

But still, what do Tom Purvis' posts, plat-based or otherwise, have to do with this thread in particular, or my understanding / misunderstanding of what went down in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 in general?

--  MWT  ;)

Tom Purvis' work is stellar. Among other things, he pointed out that Oswald - like Zelig - managed to weave his away through many disparate groups, leaving the DRE - CIA  funded- and many other groups on the defensive.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Robert Reeves on June 05, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
I'd say the CIA are up to their tits in it, or even knee deep.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 05, 2020, 11:59:03 PM
Tom Purvis' work is stellar. Among other things, he pointed out that Oswald - like Zelig - managed to weave his away through many disparate groups, leaving the DRE - CIA  funded- and many other groups on the defensive.

Well, he did watch "I Led Three Lives" a lot as a kid, and he probably was trained / programmed for some sort of mission in the USSR now wasn't he.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 06, 2020, 12:04:56 AM
I'd say the CIA are up to their tits in it, or even knee deep.

You'd say, huh.

Wild guess?

You've seen that highly-informative movie [sic] "JFK," haven't you?

LOL

How many times?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  My great grandmother, Dellia Ann Reeves Anderson, was a red-haired "frontierswoman" in north-west Arkansas. Perish the thought that you and I are related. Jeez.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: John Tonkovich on June 06, 2020, 12:15:50 AM
Well, he did watch "I Led Three Lives" a lot as a kid, and he probably was trained / programmed for some sort of mission in the USSR now wasn't he.

--  MWT  ;)

The "I led 3 lives" story has been disproved.

Oswald managed to intersect the lives of
1) Robert Mckeown, gunrunner to Castro
2) Adrian Alba, New Orleans Minutemen member
3) Bringuer, DRE member, CIA sponsored
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 06, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
The "I led 3 lives" story has been disproved.

Oswald managed to intersect the lives of
1) Robert Mckeown, gunrunner to Castro
2) Adrian Alba, New Orleans Minutemen member
3) Bringuer, DRE member, CIA sponsored

Oh yeah?

Wowie zowie.

Well, Carl Guvstav Jung's grandson was my dorm mate in college, and I ran into (not literally) my grandparents from southern Indiana in Whitehorse Yukon Territory while I was hitchhiking from San Diego to Homer, Alaska, in 1973, and a friend of mine from La Jolla who happened to be a "still" photographer for NBC at the time, recognized my voice on the set of a two-part miniseries called "The Ring" (in which I was a 30-second "extra") that was being filmed in an old villa north of Brno around 1997.

So, how you like dem apples ... "Bratan"?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Disproved?  How so?  By the fact that Robert Oswald had already left home when that show started running on TV?

LOL
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on June 09, 2020, 11:30:16 PM
The "I led 3 lives" story has been disproved.

Oswald managed to intersect the lives of
1) Robert Mckeown, gunrunner to Castro
2) Adrian Alba, New Orleans Minutemen member
3) Bringuer, DRE member, CIA sponsored
Intersect?

He met Alba and talked about guns with him while goofing off from oiling coffee machines. He got into a dispute with Bringuier and debated him on the radio. As to McKeown, I have no idea what goofy conspiracy claim that's about.

Oswald also "intersected" with KGB agents, NKVD agents and his best friend in the USSR was the son of a top military officer in the Soviet Union who had close contacts with the GRU (the father). Meaning: nothing at all.

This is several of the endless conspiracy "trading cards" that conspiracists have that they bring out and flash around.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 10, 2020, 09:07:49 AM
Intersect?

He met Alba and talked about guns with him while goofing off from oiling coffee machines. He got into a dispute with Bringuier and debated him on the radio. As to McKeown, I have no idea what goofy conspiracy claim that's about.

Oswald also "intersected" with KGB agents, NKVD agents and his best friend in the USSR was the son of a top military officer in the Soviet Union who had close contacts with the GRU (the father). Meaning: nothing at all.

These are some of the infinite number of conspiracy "trading cards" that conspiracists bring out and flash around.

Dear Steven M.,

The NKVD was dissolved in 1946, when Oswald was still a lad.

The KGB came into existence in 1954.

I took the liberty of cleaning up your syntax, grammar and vocabulary a bit. I hope you don't mind.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on June 10, 2020, 07:38:39 PM
Dear Steven M.,

The NKVD was dissolved in 1946, when Oswald was still a lad.

The KGB came into existence in 1954.

I took the liberty of cleaning up your syntax, grammar and vocabulary a bit. I hope you don't mind.

--  MWT  ;)
What "syntax, grammar and vocabulary" did you clean up?

Correcting my NKVD reference is none of those.

Since we're enlightening each other, I'll return the favor. Here's a word for you to learn.

Insufferable
[inˈsəf(ə)rəb(ə)l]
ADJECTIVE

    too extreme to bear; intolerable.
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on June 11, 2020, 12:11:45 AM
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Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Can I change the subject to---
Were Some Agents of the CIA Involved in the JFK Assassination?
If there wasn't some kind of involvement...why was Allen Dulles appointed to the Commission?
Title: Re: Did The CIA Murder President Kennedy?
Post by: Jim Brunsman on June 11, 2020, 03:03:24 PM
I agree with Mr. Freeman. Were elements of the CIA involved? Dulles is one of the prime suspects although I doubt that he was the prime mover. Putting Dulles on the WC was a very disturbing act. Then we discover that Dulles was the commissioner who attended the most WC meetings and clearly wielded the most influence. Tracking his actions in the months leading to the assassination is pretty interesting. It is now known that Dulles and McCone were part of the cover-up. Was this benign? Not bloody likely...