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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Izraul Hidashi on May 03, 2020, 02:05:52 AM
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It took some work and some time but I finally identified one of the pergola shooters. I'm 100% certain that Eladio DeValle was one of the two. The Oswald swallowers can say whatever they want and hate, but it's a fact they'll have to live with. I understand how things work in the JFK research world, so I don't expect anyone to say "good job" or give positive praise.
But for people who aren't haters or bitter about new finds, this confirms several important factors which can help the investigation to move forward, instead of being stuck in the same place for 50 years arguing over the same nonsense.
How I put it together was fairly simple. I took the half of the heavy set shooter we can see in the Moorman photo and copied it with GIMP software. I pasted it as a new image and cleaned it up a little. https://photos.app.goo.gl/fp3zqcT2KLbqHL239
I copied that, turned the one half around and stuck them together to make it whole. Then I ran that through GMIC filters and slowly started piecing it pixel by pixel. https://photos.app.goo.gl/S6CHGsP15D1zbrp47
Then I took photos of my suspects and tried to match them. The best match was Eladio DeValle. I took some measurements of facial features to be certain. It was a little harder to match measurements because you can't see all his features in the Moorman photo, plus he's wearing sunglasses.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/71UkbFyG8d77hHPVA
After some more research and reading what Anthony Summers had to say regarding Eladio DaValle, there's no doubt in my mind it's him. Summers is looking it over now. I'm sure he'll agree 100% that Eladio DaValle was in fact one of the pergola shooters. He was a Cuban exile and member of Operation 40.
The other shooter will be a lot harder because only the top half of his face is visible. But so far I've narrowed it down significantly. I'm leaning towards a man named William "Billy" Seymour. I'm not a hater so I don't mind sharing what I have. The other possibilities are Carlos Bringuier, Jean Souetre, and Al Beauboeuf, if anyone wants to help. But I'm almost certain it's going to be Billy Seymour.
And to think some hater actually tried to convince me the shooters were just thumb print damage. smh
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It's not a fact.
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It took some work and some time but I finally identified one of the pergola shooters. I'm 100% certain that Eladio DeValle was one of the two. The Oswald swallowers can say whatever they want and hate, but it's a fact they'll have to live with. I understand how things work in the JFK research world, so I don't expect anyone to say "good job" or give positive praise.
But for people who aren't haters or bitter about new finds, this confirms several important factors which can help the investigation to move forward, instead of being stuck in the same place for 50 years arguing over the same nonsense.
How I put it together was fairly simple. I took the half of the heavy set shooter we can see in the Moorman photo and copied it with GIMP software. I pasted it as a new image and cleaned it up a little. https://photos.app.goo.gl/fp3zqcT2KLbqHL239
I copied that, turned the one half around and stuck them together to make it whole. Then I ran that through GMIC filters and slowly started piecing it pixel by pixel. https://photos.app.goo.gl/S6CHGsP15D1zbrp47
Then I took photos of my suspects and tried to match them. The best match was Eladio DeValle. I took some measurements of facial features to be certain. It was a little harder to match measurements because you can't see all his features in the Moorman photo, plus he's wearing sunglasses.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/71UkbFyG8d77hHPVA
After some more research and reading what Anthony Summers had to say regarding Eladio DaValle, there's no doubt in my mind it's him. Summers is looking it over now. I'm sure he'll agree 100% that Eladio DaValle was in fact one of the pergola shooters. He was a Cuban exile and member of Operation 40.
The other shooter will be a lot harder because only the top half of his face is visible. But so far I've narrowed it down significantly. I'm leaning towards a man named William "Billy" Seymour. I'm not a hater so I don't mind sharing what I have. The other possibilities are Carlos Bringuier, Jean Souetre, and Al Beauboeuf, if anyone wants to help. But I'm almost certain it's going to be Billy Seymour.
And to think some hater actually tried to convince me the shooters were just thumb print damage. smh
You say 'I'm not a hater' yet you call people who don't share your beliefs 'Oswald swallowers'.
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It took some work and some time but I finally identified one of the pergola shooters. I'm 100% certain that Eladio DeValle was one of the two. The Oswald swallowers can say whatever they want and hate, but it's a fact they'll have to live with. I understand how things work in the JFK research world, so I don't expect anyone to say "good job" or give positive praise.
But for people who aren't haters or bitter about new finds, this confirms several important factors which can help the investigation to move forward, instead of being stuck in the same place for 50 years arguing over the same nonsense.
How I put it together was fairly simple. I took the half of the heavy set shooter we can see in the Moorman photo and copied it with GIMP software. I pasted it as a new image and cleaned it up a little. https://photos.app.goo.gl/fp3zqcT2KLbqHL239
I copied that, turned the one half around and stuck them together to make it whole. Then I ran that through GMIC filters and slowly started piecing it pixel by pixel. https://photos.app.goo.gl/S6CHGsP15D1zbrp47
Then I took photos of my suspects and tried to match them. The best match was Eladio DeValle. I took some measurements of facial features to be certain. It was a little harder to match measurements because you can't see all his features in the Moorman photo, plus he's wearing sunglasses.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/71UkbFyG8d77hHPVA
After some more research and reading what Anthony Summers had to say regarding Eladio DaValle, there's no doubt in my mind it's him. Summers is looking it over now. I'm sure he'll agree 100% that Eladio DaValle was in fact one of the pergola shooters. He was a Cuban exile and member of Operation 40.
The other shooter will be a lot harder because only the top half of his face is visible. But so far I've narrowed it down significantly. I'm leaning towards a man named William "Billy" Seymour. I'm not a hater so I don't mind sharing what I have. The other possibilities are Carlos Bringuier, Jean Souetre, and Al Beauboeuf, if anyone wants to help. But I'm almost certain it's going to be Billy Seymour.
And to think some hater actually tried to convince me the shooters were just thumb print damage. smh
It's a shame that you've posted utter nonsense in the past Mr Hadashi, Because I'd really like to take this post seriously and believe you. I do believe that with the modern computer programs it will be possible to see things in the old photos that we weren't able to see before. I sincerely hope that you become an expert at analyzing the old photos and expose that which was hidden.....
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I need a Larger picture of this alleged shooter. I have No Shooter Context regarding: (1) How HIGH UP from the ground (2) Head size, (3) Position relative to Zapruder in Front of him, (4) Position of JFK Limo when pic was taken.
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Ah yes of course. And no one else here has posted utter nonsense, right? Especially not you. Because everything you say and post is 100% legitimate, right? And what does your feelings and beliefs have to do with me? How is your opinion going to affect me? You think it matters? And what happens when I'm proven right? What doe that mean for all you who disagree?
Tell me, how long have you been at this? A couple years? I barely been at a couple of months and I've made more progress than most people have in 50 years. And the funny part is I could care less about it. What anyone else thinks about it isn't going to change the fact I'm right about this. And I did it for fun.
So while you, and everyone else here who agrees with you, may think what I post is silly, it doesn't change the fact that I'm right about this. So you can believe whatever you want. I'm not saying I'm better at this than anyone else, but I'm certainly more observant than most. Maybe it's the fact I grew up around certain kinds of people that required me to be observant at all times. The simple act of driving in a car was a lot different for me than other people. Like not paying attention when pulling up too close to cars in front of you at a stoplight. Not leaving yourself room to get out is a bonafide death trap. I've seen friends get klacced on sitting at fast food restaurants. So I tend notice things most people don't. Does that mean I'm always right? No. But when I am right is when I say I'm 100% sure. And I don't say it often.
You and everyone else is entitled to your opinion. This is one thing I know for a fact I'm right about. If no one else can see it, does that mean I'm wrong? If anyone truly believes I'm wrong they shouldn't be flapping their gums, they should be proving it. I welcome anyone to try. If I thought it would help, I'd dare them to. By all means, tell them to shut the pie holes and get to proving.
And whatever I've posted certainly hasn't been sillier than what the cops, FBI and CIA have. Talk about silly... lol. The whole damn Warren Commission was a friggen clown circus. What's sillier than grown men believing in the official story? Silly is not being able to see the obvious. A bunch of grown ups trying to pretend they can't see the pergola shooters is pretty damn silly if you ask me.
Millions of people ignoring their own eyes to swallow the official story isn't silly? What do you call that? Being stuck arguing over the same nonsense for 50 years isn't silly? No one else has been able to identify any shooters, including Oswald. But that doesn't stop people from accusing him and claiming he was the real shooter, now does it? How many people on this board have posted opinions about Oswald being the real shooter... and with out a single shred of any real evidence. Not a photo, not a face, not a single fact to go on except hearsay. And yet they wanna open their mouths where it concerns me. LOL
No one else has been able to even confirm a damn thing. Damn near everything being posted on this board is hearsay. And I'm supposed to what... back down from my finding? If I'm wrong about anything then prove it. Isn't that what this about? Proof! So where's all the proof at? I see a lot of people talking, but not many providing anything new. Where I'm from the cops are liars. We don't trust them. They're full of crap! Maybe if people stop going by what the crooked police claim they can find new things themselves. Or they can keep yapping. I don't care.
I'm 100% right on this. And it doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks about it. It can't change it. Let people say whatever they want. Eventually we'll all see who the silly ones really were.
You wanna see silly? Have you seen the NASA photos I posted in the off topic section? It doesn't get much sillier than that. How many people saw the moon landings and ignored the spotlights? It only took me a couple months to find those things. There's people still arguing 50 years later about it. I found Stanley damn Kubrick in an official NASA moon photo. What's sillier than that?
If anyone wants to prove me wrong, feel free. If anyone wants to help me try to figure out who this other shooter is, I welcome that too. If not, it's okay. I'll do it myself. But what I won't be doing is flapping my gums.
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I need a Larger picture of this alleged shooter. I have No Shooter Context regarding: (1) How HIGH UP from the ground (2) Head size, (3) Position relative to Zapruder in Front of him, (4) Position of JFK Limo when pic was taken.
So what do you need? Me to provide you with one or help finding one online? Because I can do both. But if you don't trust my work then then you're probably better off getting one yourself, just so you'll know that I didn't mess with it. Not like I'd do that anyway, but you never with some people. I have a huge one that somebody here sent me. It was to prove that nobody was there, but he failed, because they are in it. You'll have to mess with the contrast and lighting to get a better look at their faces. In fact, it will be a lot more work, but it might be worth it for you.
I don't know what program you use but if you need help with that too just ask. Whatever you want to do. I have nothing to hide or fear. If someone wants to try and prove me wrong I'll help them with that too. lol
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If anyone wants to claim I'm wrong then please feel free. In fact, I propose the people who think I'm wrong should work to prove it. Pick a Moorman photo and we'll walk through it together. Step by step. That way everyone can watch as we go through it. Or you can do it on your own and prove it's someone else. Or you can use Eladio DeValle and see if you can match him. Whatever anyone wants to do I'm with it. Why just sit there and yap like an armchair Judge when we can actually do something? If we're not willing to put in the time and work then why open our mouths? 8)
In the words of E-40, "be about it or be without it." My best friend once told me "time waits for no man." He was killed a month later. Just saying... with so many of you experts here on one site, what's the hold up? Crack it open like a coconut.
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If anyone wants to claim I'm wrong then please feel free. In fact, I propose the people who think I'm wrong should work to prove it. Pick a Moorman photo and we'll walk through it together. Step by step. That way everyone can watch as we go through it. Or you can do it on your own and prove it's someone else. Or you can use Eladio DeValle and see if you can match him. Whatever anyone wants to do I'm with it. Why just sit there and yap like an armchair Judge when we can actually do something? If we're not willing to put in the time and work then why open our mouths? 8)
In the words of E-40, "be about it or be without it." My best friend once told me "time waits for no man." He was killed a month later. Just saying... with so many of you experts here on one site, what's the hold up? Crack it open like a coconut.
I've got the Moorman photo open now - lets begin.
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If anyone wants to claim I'm wrong then please feel free. In fact, I propose the people who think I'm wrong should work to prove it. Pick a Moorman photo and we'll walk through it together. Step by step. That way everyone can watch as we go through it. Or you can do it on your own and prove it's someone else. Or you can use Eladio DeValle and see if you can match him. Whatever anyone wants to do I'm with it. Why just sit there and yap like an armchair Judge when we can actually do something? If we're not willing to put in the time and work then why open our mouths? 8)
In the words of E-40, "be about it or be without it." My best friend once told me "time waits for no man." He was killed a month later. Just saying... with so many of you experts here on one site, what's the hold up? Crack it open like a coconut.
Okay, I took your first image. Copied it, flipped it, and put the two halves together. Don't get what you got in your second image. Looked vaguely similar but more like The Turin Shroud. You say you used filters, and pieced the image together pixel by pixel What does that mean? What did you actually do?
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Still waiting.
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So what do you need? Me to provide you with one or help finding one online? Because I can do both. But if you don't trust my work then then you're probably better off getting one yourself, just so you'll know that I didn't mess with it. Not like I'd do that anyway, but you never with some people. I have a huge one that somebody here sent me. It was to prove that nobody was there, but he failed, because they are in it. You'll have to mess with the contrast and lighting to get a better look at their faces. In fact, it will be a lot more work, but it might be worth it for you.
I don't know what program you use but if you need help with that too just ask. Whatever you want to do. I have nothing to hide or fear. If someone wants to try and prove me wrong I'll help them with that too. lol
I have No problem with people enhancing/adjusting images, if they Inform the viewer they have done so. I have a feeling that You are going the same route as LeRoy Blevins Sr did back when he was alive and posting JFK Assassination videos on YouTube. If this is the same alleged shooter that Blevins also was claiming, I have a problem with that shooter being only several feet behind Zapruder and Sitzman. Zapruder and Sitzman would also have to be in on it, for them to Never have reported shot(s) being fired right behind them.
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If anyone wants to claim I'm wrong then please feel free. In fact, I propose the people who think I'm wrong should work to prove it. Pick a Moorman photo and we'll walk through it together. Step by step. That way everyone can watch as we go through it. Or you can do it on your own and prove it's someone else. Or you can use Eladio DeValle and see if you can match him. Whatever anyone wants to do I'm with it. Why just sit there and yap like an armchair Judge when we can actually do something? If we're not willing to put in the time and work then why open our mouths? 8)
In the words of E-40, "be about it or be without it." My best friend once told me "time waits for no man." He was killed a month later. Just saying... with so many of you experts here on one site, what's the hold up? Crack it open like a coconut.
Nobody here has a responsibility to prove you wrong. It is your responsibility to prove you’re right. You’re not even close.
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Nobody here has a responsibility to prove you wrong. It is your responsibility to prove you’re right. You’re not even close.
I am interested in seeing what Hidashi has to offer. You too should be likewise. We have too many Old Guard Researchers that are Not Open to looking at what people with a fresh set of eyes have to offer. This case will Never be solved with that approach. YOU are running off fresh sets of eyes, which might be your objective.
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I am interested in seeing what Hidashi has to offer. You too should be likewise. We have too many Old Guard Researchers that are Not Open to looking at what people with a fresh set of eyes have to offer. This case will Never be solved with that approach. YOU are running off fresh sets of eyes, which might be your objective.
Storing, as a personal favor do not address me on this forum. I don’t associate in any manner with those of your ilk.
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Yeah, You would rather insult people/run them off. The Old Guard Research Community had their shot and screwed this case up from Jump St. This ineptness has been proven over & over again. The Hosty Notes being recovered inside the National Archives being the most recent shoe to drop. Someone believing they have seen something that was overlooked or buried should have the opportunity to present their case without being subjected to ridicule right outta the blocks.
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Nobody here has a responsibility to prove you wrong. It is your responsibility to prove you’re right. You’re not even close.
Bump regarding Ridicule.
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Tell me, how long have you been at this? A couple years? I barely been at a couple of months and I've made more progress than most people have in 50 years. And the funny part is I could care less about it. What anyone else thinks about it isn't going to change the fact I'm right about this. And I did it for fun.
You really need to work on your self-esteem issues.
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Actually, Zapruder does have some WC testimony of saying he thought a shot came from behind him when he saw the head shot
Now I’m not for certain that one frame at 312 could have been inserted in the Z film to give the impression of a split sec forward movement of JFKs head just before all the other frames afterward suggest a back and left movement
And I’m not adverse at all to exploring a possible new image on GK /pergola structure , it’s just that the trajectory is still in question given JFKs head turned about 45 degree left and leaning left, thus a shot from behind Zapruders position is going to impact the right side of the skull almost perpendicular and if that “v notch” in JFKautopsy photo is the point of entry, the bullet should have continued more less along that same trajectory and exited and cause some sign of skull fracturing on the left side of the skull
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The problem I have with this sort of thing is that I can see nothing but a few blobs and am aware that all sorts of things can be introduced into an image, unintentionally, by applying filters and 'enhancing' images. There is also the point that the human brain tends to try to interpret patterns to be something we recognise and are familiar with, such as faces. If you go looking for faces in random patterns you can usually find them. Also, I would ask, how tall would someone have to be to be able to fire a rifle through that opening?
Fair enough to look at things like this and to examine things with fresh eyes but to declare something like this as proof of the identity of a pergola shooter isn't accurate I would say.
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The problem I have with this sort of thing is that I can see nothing but a few blobs and am aware that all sorts of things can be introduced into an image, unintentionally, by applying filters and 'enhancing' images. There is also the point that the human brain tends to try to interpret patterns to be something we recognise and are familiar with, such as faces. If you go looking for faces in random patterns you can usually find them. Also, I would ask, how tall would someone have to be to be able to fire a rifle through that opening?
Fair enough to look at things like this and to examine things with fresh eyes but to declare something like this as proof of the identity of a pergola shooter isn't accurate I would say.
This is why I asked for a Full Photo in order to provide context to the Head/Individual. Based on the YouTube presentations that LeRoy Blevins Sr did regarding shots being fired from the Pergola, I think that head/figure is supposed to be positioned/standing in the Opening to the Pergola Shelter that is behind Zapruder & Sitzman.
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This is why I asked for a Full Photo in order to provide context to the Head/Individual. Based on the YouTube presentations that LeRoy Blevins Sr did regarding shots being fired from the Pergola, I think that head/figure is supposed to be positioned/standing in the Opening to the Pergola Shelter that is behind Zapruder & Sitzman.
Yes, taking a look at the Moorman photograph and overlaying the first image provided in the OP this work has been done on an area to the left of Zapruder & Sitzman and just to the right of the left hand wall of the pergola opening. I have seen attempts to show a figure in the opening one from the top hence my question about the gunman's height. Looking at that area I only see blobs which you could interpret as a person but not quite the image provided in the OP. The issue of trying to enhance or use filters on fairly indistinct patterns of blobs is I'm afraid a common one. I would be happy to take a look at a higher res image if one is provided but looking at the highest I could find I'm not convinced it is anything more than a random pattern of blobs, but still waiting to be walked though it by Israul.
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Yes, taking a look at the Moorman photograph and overlaying the first image provided in the OP this work has been done on an area to the left of Zapruder & Sitzman and just to the right of the left hand wall of the pergola opening. I have seen attempts to show a figure in the opening one from the top hence my question about the gunman's height. Looking at that area I only see blobs which you could interpret as a person but not quite the image provided in the OP. The issue of trying to enhance or use filters on fairly indistinct patterns of blobs is I'm afraid a common one. I would be happy to take a look at a higher res image if one is provided but looking at the highest I could find I'm not convinced it is anything more than a random pattern of blobs, but still waiting to be walked though it by Israul.
Blevins did his "work" on this subject with his colorized versions of the Moorman Photo. Blevins had 2 guys standing,hugging that wall/entrance to the Pergola. One of those guys was wearing something along the lines of wrap-around shades like Dirty Harry did back in the day. As I said earlier, Zapruder and Sitzman would have heard a shot(s) being fired this close to them. Their silence regarding those possible shot(s) would have them in on a cover-up at the minimum.
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Blevins did his "work" on this subject with his colorized versions of the Moorman Photo. Blevins had 2 guys standing,hugging that wall/entrance to the Pergola. One of those guys was wearing something along the lines of wrap-around shades like Dirty Harry did back in the day. As I said earlier, Zapruder and Sitzman would have heard a shot(s) being fired this close to them. Their silence regarding those possible shot(s) would have them in on a cover-up at the minimum.
Yeah, have seen some of the colourised images. Not convinced.