JFK Assassination Forum
JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gary Craig on April 26, 2020, 07:47:16 PM
-
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/hosty%20in%20basement%202.gif)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/hosty20in20basement201.jpg)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/retraction.gif)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/watchingozzie.jpg)
-
Wrong "CYA" target...IOW, it's not that simple. The DPD had so many officers inside M.I., locally the two agencies were indistinguishable.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25528-lumpkin-gannaway-and-the-dpd-army-intelligence-network/page/16/?tab=comments#comment-417999
Bill Simpich - Posted April 8, 2019
Paul,
The military had lots of records on Oswald the defector. That's why Revill and Gannaway's claim that they didn't know about Oswald is implausible. His return was in the national and local press in 1962 - they couldn't have missed it.
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/revill2.htm
Jack Revill 2 - Kennedy Assassination Homemcadams.posc.mu.edu › russ › testimony › revill2
Lieutenant Revill, the purpose of today's hearing is to hear your testimony and that of Detective V. J. ... He said, "Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist killed the President," and then he went into the fact that ... He did not say that he was a member.
Gary, kindly consider Scott's text in this page, and the one after it.
Oswald, Mexico, and Deep Politics: Revelations from CIA ...LINK: books.google.com (https://books.google.com/books?id=98ctAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT152&lpg=PT152&dq=revill+communist+"he+did+not+say+that+he+was+a+member."&source=bl&ots=O1xg20F3ux&sig=ACfU3U3DbcUC4d1PzhObPR8epERh2YSngw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcqLiH6IbpAhXfgXIEHephASgQ6AEwAnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=revill%20communist%20"he%20did%20not%20say%20that%20he%20was%20a%20member."&f=false)
Peter Dale Scott - 2013 - Social Science
Mr. REVILL. This might be my interpretation of Mr. Hosty saying a Communist killed the President. . . .He did not say that he was a member" (5 WH 41-42).
-
Wrong "CYA" target...IOW, it's not that simple. The DPD had so many officers inside M.I., locally the two agencies were indistinguishable.
Gary, kindly consider Scott's text in this page, and the one after it.
I can't read the links you provided, sorry.
Could you write a synopsis of your post so I can respond.
Thanks
-
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/hosty%20in%20basement%202.gif)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/hosty20in20basement201.jpg)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/retraction.gif)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/watchingozzie.jpg)
Wow!..Interesting stuff ......Good Work, Gary..... I'd seen the Revill memo to Gannaway and the Followup memo about Hoover blackmailing Curry into retracting Revill's statement..... But I've never seen the FBI Air TEL from Little Rock to New Orleans requesting help in locating Lee Oswald. And Ruth Paine's informing the FBI that Lee was working in the TSBD. And on 11 -19- 63 The FBI office in Mexico received a copy of that Air Tel..... NOW why the hell would Mexico want to know Lee Oswald's whereabouts just four days before the coup d e'tat??????
-
As the CIA’s internal 23-page report on Oswald’s stay in Mexico (104-10004-10199) puts it: “it is believed that [Kostikov] works for Department 13 of the KGB, the Department charged with sabotage and assassinations.” This (continued CIA officer “GPFLOOR” in his internal report from the Mexico Station) was “a particularly sinister aspect of OSWALD’s dealings with the Soviets in Mexico City.” The report was dispatched on December 19, 1963, to C/CI [Counterintelligence] from John Whitten of the Western Hemisphere Division, who initially handled the CIA’s investigation in-house.
Surely, James Angleton saw this report, as well as Scott’s pre-assassination cable. Yet, more than curiously, the day after Scott’s October 8 cable was sent, senior FBI agents removed Oswald’s name from a list of persons of interest to the Bureau. Although the FBI had interviewed Oswald on a number of occasions after his return from the USSR in June 1962, suddenly he was no longer deemed worthy of close scrutiny. Had the FBI gotten word from Angleton’s branch of the CIA?
We haven’t yet seen FBI files related to that decision — which was effected only six weeks prior to the assassination — but we do know that Jane Roman of Angleton’s staff went on to receive and initial an FBI report concerning Oswald on November 15. It came from senior agent Warren DeBrueys of the FBI’s New Orleans office, stating that Oswald had returned from Mexico City and was living in Texas. Angleton’s staff had been closely monitoring Oswald since his alleged defection to the Soviet Union in 1959.
The Mexico City story has long been a jigsaw with numerous loose ends.
Boy I'll say.
The post-assassination chronicle by GPFLOOR (headed “We Discover Lee OSWALD in Mexico City”) led off with a description of a phone call the CIA’s Mexico station intercepted on October 1, with Oswald using his own name and speaking broken Russian. He talked to the embassy guard, Obyedkov, “who often answers the phone.” Oswald said he’d visited the embassy a few days earlier and spoken to a consul whose name he’d forgotten but “who had promised to send a telegram for him to Washington. He wanted to know if there were ‘anything new’….
“OBYEDKOV replied: ‘KOSTIKOV; he is dark.’ OSWALD replied: ‘Yes, my name is Oswald.’ The Soviet excused himself for a minute and then said they hadn’t received anything yet….OSWALD started to say: ‘And what…,’ but the Soviet hung up.”
Although the report identifies Ivan Ivanovich Obyedkov himself as “believed to be a KGB man,” it goes on to say:
[It is] most likely that OSWALD’s dealing with OBYEDKOV and KOSTIKOV was nothing more than a grim coincidence, a coincidence due in part to the Soviet habit of placing intelligence men in the Embassies in positions where they receive a large portion of the visitors and phone calls.
Yeah Right.
So ask yourself this question: Why would someone who wasn’t Oswald pretend to be Oswald and run around visiting Soviet and Cuban embassies? Could it be that someone was trying to set up Oswald to make it look like he was working with the “commies” to kill Kennedy? If anyone wanted an excuse to start a war with Cuba and the Soviets, this was an opportunity served on a silver platter.
I've been saying that for years.
https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/11/13/jfk-files-new-light-oswald-mexico-city/
-
I can't read the links you provided, sorry.
Could you write a synopsis of your post so I can respond.
Thanks
I don't happen to believe the government proved Oswald was in Cuba in 1963, but there are indications Lt. Revill was persuaded, possibly by participants serving on the WC that, if a provocation rises to a close call on whether to go to war, especially in an era of M.A.D., it is vital to confirm it is instigated in reaction to solid proof, and not under the influence of coordinated messaging by local P.D. moonlighting as Army Intel national security hawks.
Oswald, Mexico, and Deep Politics: Revelations from CIA ...LINK: books.google.com (https://books.google.com/books?id=98ctAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT152&lpg=PT152&dq=revill+communist+%22he+did+not+say+that+he+was+a+member.%22&source=bl&ots=O1xg20F3ux&sig=ACfU3U3DbcUC4d1PzhObPR8epERh2YSngw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcqLiH6IbpAhXfgXIEHephASgQ6AEwAnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=revill%20communist%20%22he%20did%20not%20say%20that%20he%20was%20a%20member.%22&f=false)
Peter Dale Scott - 2013 - Social Science
Mr. REVILL. This might be my interpretation of Mr. Hosty saying a Communist killed the President. . . .He did not say that he was a member" (5 WH 41-42).
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty3.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty4.jpg)
-
It seems a bit odd for CTers to point out that the FBI should or did know Oswald was a political nut capable of the assassination. I thought you wanted him to be innocent rather than guilty? But knock yourself out. Oswald was a known political nut prior to the assassination but with no known history of violence to the FBI. As a result, they probably were not shocked after his name arose in connection with the assassination even though they would have had little cause to predict beforehand that he would assassinate the president. There are lots of nuts in society. Just look at this forum. Most of them do not act on their loony impulses. But when some do, the folks who know them are often not surprised.
-
It seems a bit odd for CTers to point out that the FBI should or did know Oswald was a political nut capable of the assassination. I thought you wanted him to be innocent rather than guilty? But knock yourself out. Oswald was a known political nut prior to the assassination but with no known history of violence to the FBI. As a result, they probably were not shocked after his name arose in connection with the assassination even though they would have had little cause to predict beforehand that he would assassinate the president. There are lots of nuts in society. Just look at this forum. Most of them do not act on their loony impulses. But when some do, the folks who know them are often not surprised.
Oswald was a known political nut prior to the assassination but with no known history of violence to the FBI.
No known history of violence.
"We knew that he was capable of assassinating the president, but we didn't dream that he would do it" FBI agent James Hosty 11/22/63
Hosty knew that Lee had fired the bullet through General Walker's window......
-
It seems a bit odd for CTers to point out that the FBI should or did know Oswald was a political nut capable of the assassination. I thought you wanted him to be innocent rather than guilty? But knock yourself out. Oswald was a known political nut prior to the assassination but with no known history of violence to the FBI. As a result, they probably were not shocked after his name arose in connection with the assassination even though they would have had little cause to predict beforehand that he would assassinate the president. There are lots of nuts in society. Just look at this forum. Most of them do not act on their loony impulses. But when some do, the folks who know them are often not surprised.
Mr. REVILL. The same ramp.
I was followed, or either I followed James Hosty, a member of the FBI. We both parked our cars----
Mr. DODD. You weren't following him specifically, he just happened to be coming into the building?
Mr. REVILL. He just happened to be coming into the building. We both parked our cars. He approached me, and again from memory, he commented to the effect that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, had killed President Kennedy.
Mr. DODD. What time of day was this? If I told you that in your testimony in 1964 you had said it was approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, would you argue?
Mr. REVILL. I wouldn't argue. It was at a time after Oswald had been taken into custody at the Texas Theater but before his arrival at the Police and Courts Building.
Mr. DODD. Were you aware of the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir, not at that time.
Mr. DODD. Were you aware that Mr. Hosty knew that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested at that time?
Mr. REVILL. No, I assumed he did based on his statements to me.
Mr. DODD. You said, and I will quote, you said in 1964, I will quote your response to Mr. Rankin, just so you can refresh your memory and you can correct it if you would like, this is your testimony: "And. Mr. Hosty ran over to me and he says, Jack, as I recall these words, a Communist killed President Kennedy.
"I said, What?
"He said, Lee Oswald killed President Kennedy.
"I said, Who is Lee Oswald?
"He said, He is in our Communist file. We knew he was here in Dallas.
"At that time Hosty and I started walking off, and Detective Bryan as well as I recall, sort of stayed back and so forth."
Then he also states to you that at that time, according to your testimony in 1964, that they knew, that he knew, Jim Hosty knew, that Lee Oswald was capable of killing the President. You became upset at that?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
He (Hosty) approached me, and again from memory, he commented to the effect that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, had killed President Kennedy.
Mr. DODD. What time of day was this? If I told you that in your testimony in 1964 you had said it was approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, would you argue?
Mr. REVILL. I wouldn't argue. It was at a time after Oswald had been taken into custody at the Texas Theater but before his arrival at the Police and Courts Building.
So.... Let's get this established.... BEFORE Lee's arrival at the DPD police station FBI agent James Hosty was already announcing that Lee Oswald had killed President Kennedy.
Does anybody suspect that Hosty had foreknowledge of the plot and knew that the "Commie " Lee Oswald was the designated patsy?
-
I don't happen to believe the government proved Oswald was in Cuba in 1963, but there are indications Lt. Revill was persuaded, possibly by participants serving on the WC that, if a provocation rises to a close call on whether to go to war, especially in an era of M.A.D., it is vital to confirm it is instigated in reaction to solid proof, and not under the influence of coordinated messaging by local P.D. moonlighting as Army Intel national security hawks.
Oswald, Mexico, and Deep Politics: Revelations from CIA ...LINK: books.google.com (https://books.google.com/books?id=98ctAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT152&lpg=PT152&dq=revill+communist+%22he+did+not+say+that+he+was+a+member.%22&source=bl&ots=O1xg20F3ux&sig=ACfU3U3DbcUC4d1PzhObPR8epERh2YSngw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcqLiH6IbpAhXfgXIEHephASgQ6AEwAnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=revill%20communist%20%22he%20did%20not%20say%20that%20he%20was%20a%20member.%22&f=false)
Peter Dale Scott - 2013 - Social Science
Mr. REVILL. This might be my interpretation of Mr. Hosty saying a Communist killed the President. . . .He did not say that he was a member" (5 WH 41-42).
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty3.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/PDScottRevillCommunistParty4.jpg)
Didn't Oswald state in an interview/debate on a New Orleans TV show in the summer of '63 that he was a Marxist not a Communist?
Wasn't that interview all over the media after 11/22/63?
-
It seems a bit odd for CTers to point out that the FBI should or did know Oswald was a political nut capable of the assassination. I thought you wanted him to be innocent rather than guilty? But knock yourself out. Oswald was a known political nut prior to the assassination but with no known history of violence to the FBI. As a result, they probably were not shocked after his name arose in connection with the assassination even though they would have had little cause to predict beforehand that he would assassinate the president. There are lots of nuts in society. Just look at this forum. Most of them do not act on their loony impulses. But when some do, the folks who know them are often not surprised.
Dallas Police Department - DPD
including FBI statement @ 3:45
-
There are lots of nuts in society. Just look at this forum.
Yeah...I notice that every time you post :D
Didn't Oswald state in an interview/debate on a New Orleans TV show in the summer of '63 that he was a Marxist not a Communist?
To a 1963 redneck... they were one and the same.
-
Yeah...I notice that every time you post :D
To a 1963 redneck... they were one and the same.
"To a 1963 redneck... they were one and the same."
True that.
-
From the clip w/police chief....
Press---How would you describe Oswald's mood during questioning?
Curry---Arrogant...very arrogant.
From his own Commission testimony, Curry wasn't present at Oswald's interrogations so how would he have known Oswald's mood?
-
From the clip w/police chief....From his own Commission testimony, Curry wasn't present at Oswald's interrogations so how would he have known Oswald's mood?
Those who were there at Lee's interrogation said that he was polite and cooperative.....
-
Those who were there at Lee's interrogation said that he was polite and cooperative.....
I thought CTers didn't believe any account of Oswald's interrogation because there was no recording etc. But here we are told to believe the very same people you otherwise suggest are lying. If they were trying to frame Oswald, why wouldn't they just say Oswald was ranting and confessed? Then claim he killed himself in his jail cell and be done with it. Instead they parade him around and allow Oswald to freely talk with the press and find some other nut to kill him on national TV who they then have to keep silent. Great plan!
-
I thought CTers didn't believe any account of Oswald's interrogation because there was no recording etc. But here we are told to believe the very same people you otherwise suggest are lying. If they were trying to frame Oswald, why wouldn't they just say Oswald was ranting and confessed? Then claim he killed himself in his jail cell and be done with it. Instead they parade him around and allow Oswald to freely talk with the press and find some other nut to kill him on national TV who they then have to keep silent. Great plan!
Strawman "Smith" thinks a lot of things about what CTers "believe".
-
Strawman "Smith" thinks a lot of things about what CTers "believe".
Strawman "Smith" thinks.........
Strike that :D