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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on April 19, 2020, 02:02:45 PM
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Is it:
Gerald Posner
Vincent Bugliosi
John McAdams
or
Dale Myers
I guess as Myers mostly deals with the Tippit shooting that would rule him out of the "JFK" assassination as such. That just leaves Posner, Bugliosi and McAdams. Its tough to decide between the three because they all bring their own uniqueness to the case.
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Is it:
Gerald Posner
Vincent Bugliosi
John McAdams
or
Dale Myers
I guess as Myers mostly deals with the Tippit shooting that would rule him out of the "JFK" assassination as such. That just leaves Posner, Bugliosi and McAdams. Its tough to decide between the three because they all bring their own uniqueness to the case.
DVP is not too shabby as well
But Lee Harvey Oswald is the ultimate expert
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What do you mean by “best”?
Those are the best at parroting the Warren Report.
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What do you mean by “best”?
Those are the best at parroting the Warren Report.
Well, those you have the widest appeal. Someone like David Lifton might have appeal, but he wouldn't have a wide appeal because his theories are so left of normal - ie Zapruder film was faked, JFKs body was switched.
When it comes to having the widest appeal, Posner probably wins hands down. At least you can read his book unlike Bugliosis "Reclaiming History". McAdams' book is not well known. Doubt if the public at large ever heard of him.
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But Lee Harvey Oswald is the ultimate expert
And here I thought that you thought you were :-\
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What do you mean by “best”?
Those are the best at parroting the Warren Report.
Cheap shot (at the Warren Commission Report) as always, John.
By the way: What's your alternative to the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald (alone) assassinated President John F. Kennedy?
If you disagree with the 888 page Warren Report's conclusions, you must believe in an alternative. What is it?
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You are just simply incapable of understanding that shifting the burden of proof is a logical fallacy, aren’t you?
What’s wrong with the WCR? Its conclusions don’t follow from the totality of the evidence.
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My list in order is:
Larry Sturdivan
Luke Haag
Michael Haag
Dale Myers
John McAdams
While alive, Dr. John Lattimer was a top expert.
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http://www.jfklancer.com/audioconversations.html
JFK Conversations with Alan Dale
Online interviews with experts on the Presidency & Assassination
Joan Mellen
Dr. David R. Wrone
Russ Baker
Dr. John M. Newman
Rex Bradford
Jim DiEugenio
Malcolm Blunt
Bill Simpich
Josiah Thompson
Gerald McKnight
Larry Hancock
Jefferson Morley
David Talbot
Professor Peter Dale Scott
Sherry P. Fiester
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http://www.jfklancer.com/audioconversations.html
JFK Conversations with Alan Dale
Online interviews with experts on the Presidency & Assassination
Joan Mellen
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Dr. John M. Newman
Rex Bradford
Jim DiEugenio
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David Talbot
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Facts? Facts don't matter, they just don't. If you are outstanding, you have to be accurate or at least be responsive to criticism and willing to amend what you've misinformed your readers about.
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Are these authors, Lifton, DiEugenio, Ms. Mellen, and Ms. Lambert, clueless, or am I missing something? What about the esteemed John Newman?
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https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-03-14-9903140296-story.html
"False Witness' -- the JFK assassination revisited
Joan Mellen THE BALTIMORE SUN - March 14, 1999
"False Witness: The Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK," by Patricia Lambert. M. Evans & Co. 352 pages. $24.95.
As New Orleans' District Attorney Jim Garrison's biographer, I confess to an interest in Patricia Lambert's "False Witness." Jim Garrison, who in 1969 prosecuted Clay Shaw unsuccessfully for conspiracy to murder President Kennedy, was a complex man and no saint....
http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/NMNRSSO.ASC
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TRANSCRIPT:
JOHN M. NEWMAN / GUS RUSSO UNSCHEDULED WORKSHOP ON
MAJOR GENERAL EDWARD G. LANSDALE, COLONEL HOWARD L. BURRIS AND
AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE CONNECTIONS TO THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION
HYATT REGENCY HOTEL AT REUNION SQUARE; DALLAS, TEXAS
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24, 1992, 5:30 PM-7:00 PM
NOTE: Semi-unintelligible sections of the tape are designated by an underlined space followed by the acronym PST: (Phonetically Similar To:) and words which may or may not be what was actually said. This device may help to identify some of the sections.
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Q: Did he have any connection with the Secret Service?
NEWMAN: Did he have any connection with the Secret Service? Did he have any connection with Lyndon Johnson? These are good questions. The end result of these first few months, in essence, is that Lansdale was fired from any position on Vietnam policy. For Edward Lansdale that was a traumatic experience. Vietnam was his baby. South Vietnam was his creation. In my book I ended my dealings with Lansdale at that point although there was a lot more to do with it. It went into Cuba and Operation Mongoose and other business that was not the privy of my book. But we should talk about that right now simply because of what I just told you; that he lost something which mattered a great deal to him. When I finally got his letters and looked at him talking about going through the experience of being relieved of these responsibilities in Vietnam, you could see a man whose heart was broken. Right Pat? Pat Lambert was my editor and we sat up until midnight, one and two o'clock in the morning looking over this Lansdale stuff. and here was a man whose heart had been broken, been ripped out because he couldn't play any more in his favorite sandbox.....
https://jfkfacts.org/provocative-prolific-joan-mellen/#comment-869223
Tom S. April 12, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Although I am credited as a contributor to Ms. Mellen’s book, “Our Man in Haiti,” my entire body of research results influence me to share an opinion that the description of Joan Mellen in this article is overdone….
She first met Jim Garrison just months after the Clay Shaw trial in 1969 and described interviewing more than 1200 people before publishing her book on Jim Garrison, “Farewell to Justice.”
More than 30 years after she first met Jim Garrison and in addition to much other research and interviewing 1200 people, this was the crux and the emphasis of Joan Mellen’s presentation on the best supported CIA influences/interference on Garrison’s investigation and his prosecution of Clay Shaw.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
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REX: I – I think –
JOAN: – when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….
Using only internet resources and in the course of a couple of weeks of part time research I shared in comments on this website, (see- https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/review/who-was-the-only-man-to-ever-face-legal-charges-in-jfks-assassination/#comment-856847 )
I found these details, not published or mentioned, ever, by Joan Mellen.
In the course of attempting to determine if my new fact checked research details were actually original, I found identical details, by author of a biography of Clay Shaw,
Donald H Carpenter.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-knckgt3ASNI/Vrd2i7xQ1aI/AAAAAAAACvc/m_y25b9LkuA/s512-Ic42/BaldwinFirstCousinCarpenter.jpg)
From Joan Mellen’s book :
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6e7iexAG0lM/Vrds4GJIGUI/AAAAAAAACvM/3WomDDWJrMw/s512-Ic42/BaldwinLemannStepsisterCarpenter.jpg)
https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=%22joan+mellen%22+stephen+lemann&source=bl&ots=JQ0cQ7W_xe&sig=zjEbm-HJgiFBiqsZJ_VSNijJh0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvsOe1YnMAhVLHD4KHdSUDKoQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=%22joan%20mellen%22%20stephen%20lemann&f=false
(http://jfkforum.com/images/MellenStephenLemann.jpg)
The best face I can put on this is that Garrison misled and failed to disclose to his friend, Joan Mellen, and editor of his own book, the co-writer of the JFK the movie screenplay, Zachary Sklar.
The most troubling thing I’ve learned is that almost no one seems to appreciate being exposed to this new information. They already knew what they knew and indicate a preference of not having to consider Garrison’s actual proximity to those even he described as CIA sponsored adversaries.
Garrison’s silence on this also provided an opening (unanswered by Garrison) for the belligerent nephew of Stepen B. Lemann who is also the step-nephew of wife of Lee Garrison’s first cousin and godfather David Baldwin.:
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Jordan April 12, 2016 at 2:24 pm
While I agree that this information casts an uncomfortable light on the Garrison prosecution, I believe that Garrison was on the right track in the direction his prosecution took.
In fact, surprisingly so given what is known today.
Did he intentionally limit his investigation of the Shaw-Permindex-CMC-CIA links and apparatus…?
Was it constructed as a limited hangout…?
I’d argue no to the latter question, as it simply reveals too much about how the CIA goes about its affairs.
As far as the former question, I am not prepared to make that determination…
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https://whowhatwhy.org/2015/10/12/new-book-on-cia-master-plotter-dulles-sneak-peek-part-1/
OCTOBER 12, 2015 | DAVID TALBOT
NEW BOOK ON CIA MASTER-PLOTTER DULLES, SNEAK PEEK: PART 1
The Coverup in JFK’s Death Begins
.....Perhaps nothing is more troubling than Dulles’s behavior around the time that John F. Kennedy was assassinated.
Although Kennedy had fired him in 1961, Dulles basically kept, de facto, running the CIA anyway, as Talbot notes. And, even more ominously, after Kennedy was killed in Dallas on Friday November 22, Dulles moved into The Farm, a secret CIA facility in Virginia, where he remained for the weekend — during which time the “suspect,” Lee Harvey Oswald, was killed, and a vast machinery began to create the “lone gunman” myth that has dominated our history books to the present......
https://jfkfacts.org/a-conversation-with-david-talbot/#comment-856781
William Kelly - February 7, 2016 at 11:34 am
David Talbot gives a realistic portrayal of those powerful men who hated JFK with a passion – Dulles, Hover, Harvey, LeMay et al., and creates the real circumstances that allowed them to kill JFK using their most popular political tool – the covert intelligence operation that is designed to shield those actually responsible – plausible deniability......
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https://jfkfacts.org/devils-chessboard-today/#comment-867360
Photon - April 4, 2016 at 7:30 pm
Like Williamsburg is in Northern Virginia?
Like Dulles spent the weekend at ” the Farm” when he was seen on national TV paying his respects at the White House on Nov. 23?
Like the ” Magic Bullet” hit JFK in the head?
The guy has no credibility .
And it has yet to be determined exactly where Dulles was in the hours after the assassination, and I understand the “magic bullet” sentence will be corrected in future editions – though the Warren Report’s errors go uncorrected. I think the head shot was the magic bullet as it was fired from a different direction by a first class trained sniper – one shot one kill – and it was the shot that killed him – not the single bullet.
You can read my review of David Talbot’s important book at http://JFKCountercoup.blogspot.com
And more on the CIA plans to kill Castro, one of which was redirected to kill JFK at Dealey Plaza.
Bill Kelly
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You ALL have earned: (1) 3 Demerits, and (2) A night in the Bunker with Uncle Joe Bidden due to your sloppily overlooking DOUG HORNE. Doug has: (1) Written several Outstanding Books, (2) Produced/Starred in several compelling & easy to comprehend assassination videos, and (3) 1st Hand Experience with both JFK Assassination Evidence & Witnesses due to his being a member of the ARRB. You ALL should be ashamed of yourselves! Sloppy, Sloppy, Sloppy. This is Exactly why this case remains Unsolved.
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You ALL have earned: (1) 3 Demerits, and (2) A night in the Bunker with Uncle Joe Bidden due to your sloppily overlooking DOUG HORNE. Doug has: (1) Written several Outstanding Books, (2) Produced/Starred in several compelling & easy to comprehend assassination videos, and (3) 1st Hand Experience with both JFK Assassination Evidence & Witnesses due to his being a member of the ARRB. You ALL should be ashamed of yourselves! Sloppy, Sloppy, Sloppy. This is Exactly why this case remains Unsolved.
Credit where it's due: Royell Storing on March 14....
When the new corona cases crest here in the U.S. in 2+weeks, the Facts/Numbers in comparison to other countries around the world will support the swift/steady decisions made by Trump. Of course, You Haters want nothing to do with actual Facts. Once those annoying Facts catch up to You, You immediately move the goal posts. Same Old Play Book every time.
Doug Horne, in reaction to verifiable facts that obviously made him uncomfortable.:
Author Peter Janney published this background to Doug Horne's "meltdown":
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/07/peter-janney/the-autodaf-of-lisa-pease-and-jamesdieugenio-tomas-de-torquemada-and-the-spanish-inquisition-return-in-a-new-era-of-suppression-of-freedom-of-thought-and-adherence-to-a-rigid-dogma-namely-thei/
The Autodaf of Lisa Pease and James DiEugenio Tomas de Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition return in a new era of suppression of freedom of thought and adherence to a rigid dogma - namely their own prejudices!
By Peter Janney - July 6, 2012
...In addition, Ms. Pease can't even seem to fathom or consider how "Lt. William L. Mitchell," a man who told police he was jogging on the towpath when he passed Mary Meyer — allegedly just before the murder took place — told police that a "Negro male" matching Wiggins' description was following her in an effort to frame Ray Crump. "Mitchell" would then testify against Crump at the murder trial nine months later in July 1965 as part of the CIA's assassination operation. It doesn't seem to matter to Pease that "Mitchell" has never been able to be located since the trial, or that his known address during that time was documented as a "CIA safe house" by three separate former CIA employees. At the time of trial in July 1965, Mitchell told a reporter that he had since retired from the military and was now a mathematics instructor at Georgetown University — yet no record of his employment there could ever be located, nor was there ever any bona-fide military service record located for "Mitchell," either in the Pentagon where he was listed in the directory at the time of the murder, or in the main military data base in St. Louis. This was thoroughly researched by the Peabody Award-winning journalist Roger Charles, as discussed in my book, a fact that Pease fails to mention in one of her many deliberate omissions, which also included Damore's consultation with L. Fletcher Prouty (as documented by Damore's attorney James H. Smith) to finally understand who "Mitchell" was, before Damore confronted him. Of course, Lisa Pease is entitled to whatever flawed point of view she wants to embrace, but she's not entitled to her own set of facts.....
https://books.google.com/books?id=-Cv8DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT365&lpg (https://books.google.com/books?id=-Cv8DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT365&lpg=PT365&dq=dieugenio+protege+georgia+law+professor&source=bl&ots=xsQeGxPVUt&sig=ACfU3U3D3wZ_SZ2mZKAKNLZcdXIMN736yA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiw9Yve-IHpAhVTj54KHVHNAVoQ6AEwAnoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=dieugenio%20protege%20georgia%20law%20professor&f=false)
Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy,
Peter Janney - 2013 - History
... the review was, I later learned, written by a DiEugenio protégé whose name, ... University of Georgia law professor, Scully identified himself as “a moderator at ...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyHorneRationalVoiceGeorgiaProfessor.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RWKKPDXQXFKPD/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1510708928
Click on "13 comments" below the review at the link above, to access "this", by Doug Horne :
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyHorneReacts.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/HorneAmazonProfile.jpg)
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Is it:
Gerald Posner
Vincent Bugliosi
John McAdams
or
Dale Myers
I guess as Myers mostly deals with the Tippit shooting that would rule him out of the "JFK" assassination as such. That just leaves Posner, Bugliosi and McAdams. Its tough to decide between the three because they all bring their own uniqueness to the case.
Isn't Meyers responsible for the (fact free, as always) "Inside the Target Car", or some derivative thereof? Where he shoots bullets into Play-Doh and creates some high level "3D" super special animation? ( Cartoons and kids toys!)
Let's give blame..oops, I mean credit where its due.
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Royell , I agree that Doug Horne is the best expert on the JFK Assassination ! People like Posner & Bugliosi had the worst ideas I had ever heard on the JFK Assassination . Posner and Bugliosi just copied what the Warren Report had to say ? Plagiarism ?
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Royell , I agree that Doug Horne is the best expert on the JFK Assassination ! People like Posner & Bugliosi had the worst ideas I had ever heard on the JFK Assassination . Posner and Bugliosi just copied what the Warren Report had to say ? Plagiarism ?
Horne being a member of the ARRB and therefore having 1st Hand experience with both Physical Evidence and Witnesses puts him head and shoulders above all the other people listed on this Thread. Like him or not, there is No Denying Hornes' bona fides.
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Royell , I agree that Doug Horne is the best expert on the JFK Assassination ! People like Posner & Bugliosi had the worst ideas I had ever heard on the JFK Assassination . Posner and Bugliosi just copied what the Warren Report had to say ? Plagiarism ?
Mike, your name is associated with what you write, same as Doug Horne or Tom Scully. In the following example, Doug Horne is FoS.
In the example in my last post Horne writes as if he is a paranoid moron or intentionally misleads and discourages facts and fact finding.
If I even suspected I was misleading readers, it would be difficult to look at myself in a mirror. Horne has had eight full years to edit or delete this nonsense. If friendship is the excuse, what kind of friend would publicly support misleading of readers?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R8NNVIZE9ITM/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1510708928
Douglas
5.0 out of 5 stars A Masterpiece of Biography and a Mesmerizing Detective Story
Reviewed in the United States on April 1, 2012
Verified Purchase
Written by Douglas P. Horne, author of "Inside the Assassination Records Review Board"
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Peter Janney also solves the mystery of her murder 48 years ago, in as convincing a fashion as one can, so many years later. Many have asked, "If Ray Crump did not kill Mary Meyer, then who did?" This book answers that question. (I will not provide any spoilers here.)....
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Horne being a member of the ARRB and therefore having 1st Hand experience with both Physical Evidence and Witnesses puts him head and shoulders above all the other people listed on this Thread. Like him or not, there is No Denying Hornes' bona fides.
The rest of the ARRB, including Judge Tunheim, endured Doug Horne's "participation". They did not select him. Do you really believe his reaction to my work was a one time, misstep, simply because he has also published what you wanted to read?
Douglas Horne's reaction to facts he was unable to refute but did not appreciate learning of, to say the least!
Douglas 7 years ago In reply to an earlier post Report abuse
If you are a truly "rational voice" you will provide your real name and tell us exactly how you came by your citations. To not do so is cowardly. To continue not to do so will make readers wonder who you really represent, and really work for. Are you a third party surrogate (or a direct employee) working for the USG whose mission here is to attempt to discredit the confession of a hit-man? The readers of your book review here will not have forgotten that William L. Mitchell (or someone identifying himself as this person) confessed to author Leo Damore---William L. Mitchell himself told Damore that he was Mary Meyer's murderer. This event is well-documented in Janney's book.
Your attempt to suggest otherwise, via your citations, conveniently ignores this vital fact. Peter Janney has not identified Mitchell as Meyer's murderer "because Mitchell could not be found," as you claim; rather, he has identified Mitchell as Meyer's murderer because Mitchell confessed this to Damore. All the citations in the world will not erase this fact.
Your citations seem to me like the kind of detailed biographical information that would be maintained by the same "outfit" that would have maintained Mitchell's operational file at the Agency. Who the hell else would know these things? What ordinary reader would have the ability to look up and find the citations you so conveniently found?
If the William L. Mitchell you cite did not kill Mary Meyer in 1964, then perhaps his identity was highjacked---stolen---circa 1964, by the covert operations ("wet") arm of the Agency---and used by the hitman.
Unless you provide us with your real name and the exact means by which you came up with your citations, you will only increase everyone's suspicion of your motivations here---and your methods.
Many despicable and cold-blooded people throughout history have been well-educated. So finding a person named William L. Mitchell with three college degrees does not prove he could not have been Mary Meyer's killer. That seems like the kind of flawed "logic" an intelligence agency would use on readers in an attempt to cast doubt about the disturbing conclusions of a controversial book.
If this William L. Mitchell didn't kill Mary Meyer, why isn't he raising hell about Janney's book? We certainly haven't heard a peep from him, now, have we?
Why don't you "get real" and tell us who you are, and how you found your citations? What tools did you use? Did someone lead you to them? Did someone provide them to you? Your postings have the odor to me of a disinformation/spin operation, designed to cast doubt, and to make readers forget the basic fact that a "William L. Mitchell" confessed to murdering Mary Meyer for the CIA, to author Leo Damore. Attorney Jimmy Smith's notes of his phone call with Leo Damore prove that.
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Rational Voice 7 years ago (Edited)In reply to an earlier post Report abuse
Nothing in your reply addresses the reality that I've simply posted a complete curriculum vitae of a man named William L. Mitchell who has a background that matches in every way the information author Janney provided, except for a brief stint of employment at Georgetown U. in summer, 1965. Even the address in this William L Mitchell's career details, 1500 Arlington Blvd. is a match, as are matching dates of employment at the Pentagon as an army Lieut. The only explanation for your failure to verify the info I presented and to digest and accept it and what it implies about Janney's opinions is the influence on you of Janney's presentation, now clearly supported as lacking in proof but bolstered by speculation, just as your response is. You cannot refute the info about Mitchell, so you repeat some unrelated CIA story.
https://books.google.com/books?id=-Cv8DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT365&lpg (https://books.google.com/books?id=-Cv8DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT365&lpg=PT365&dq=dieugenio+protege+georgia+law+professor&source=bl&ots=xsQeGxPVUt&sig=ACfU3U3D3wZ_SZ2mZKAKNLZcdXIMN736yA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiw9Yve-IHpAhVTj54KHVHNAVoQ6AEwAnoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=dieugenio%20protege%20georgia%20law%20professor&f=false)
Mary's Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy,
Peter Janney - 2013 - History
... the review was, I later learned, written by a DiEugenio protégé whose name, ... University of Georgia law professor, Scully identified himself as “a moderator at ...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyHorneRationalVoiceGeorgiaProfessor.jpg)
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/07/peter-janney/the-autodaf-of-lisa-pease-and-jamesdieugenio-tomas-de-torquemada-and-the-spanish-inquisition-return-in-a-new-era-of-suppression-of-freedom-of-thought-and-adherence-to-a-rigid-dogma-namely-thei/
The Autodaf of Lisa Pease and James DiEugenio Tomas de Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition return in a new era of suppression of freedom of thought and adherence to a rigid dogma - namely their own prejudices!
By Peter Janney - July 6, 2012
...It doesn't seem to matter to Pease that "Mitchell" has never been able to be located since the trial, or that his known address during that time was documented as a "CIA safe house" by three separate former CIA employees...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/WilliamMitchellSafeHouseNASAsecretaryWelsh1500.jpg)
Except that Mitchell's address was a ten story building of single bedroom apartments also including the residence of the Secretary of NASA.
Did the CIA maintain 400 "safe houses" at 1500 Arlington Blvd.?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_C._Welsh
Edward C. Welsh (1909-1969) was an official of the United States federal government, best known for serving as the Executive Secretary to the National Aeronautics and Space Council (NASC) during the John F. Kennedy presidential administration...
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyMitchell1500ArlingtonTheVirginian.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyMitchell1500ArlingtonHistory1950.jpg)
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Mike, your name is associated with what you write, same as Doug Horne or Tom Scully. In the following example, Doug Horne is FoS.
In the example in my last post Horne writes as if he is a paranoid moron or intentionally misleads and discourages facts and fact finding.
If I even suspected I was misleading readers, it would be difficult to look at myself in a mirror. Horne has had eight full years to edit or delete this nonsense. If friendship is the excuse, what kind of friend would publicly support misleading of readers?
You are so specific, Tom !!! Bump+
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If You are into Stalkers, I understand your "Bump". Otherwise, please rethink your encouraging this repeated repulsive conduct.
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Your list was the worst of the "JFK experts," IMHO. But that list is incomplete. Arlen Specter and David Belin bullied and intimidated witnesses on the road to the most idiotic theory ever (SBT). The media's complicity in the case is an embarrassment to journalism. I'm still dumbfounded at the number of folks who buy the "Lee Hardly" story.
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Cheap shot (at the Warren Commission Report) as always, John.
By the way: What's your alternative to the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald (alone) assassinated President John F. Kennedy?
If you disagree with the 888 page Warren Report's conclusions, you must believe in an alternative. What is it?
Ross,
I suspect Iacoletti intuits that the evil, evil, evil CIA, in cahoots with the FBI, the Secret Service, the Office of Naval Intelligence, and the Dallas Police Department, et al., committed the Murder Most Foul, but would rather not commit himself on it, preferring to harass LNers who can't provide the quality of out-of-context "evidence" that his highly analytical mind requires.
-- MWT ;)
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I must agree that Horne is one of the shining lights who has done great work. Extremely valuable corroboration of David Lifton's difficult to believe thesis. Our government was stolen from us by LBJ, which got us Vietnam.
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Interested to see who Tommy thinks is a JFK expert. He is constantly ridiculing folks who see through the framing of LHO. Also seems in heavy denial about the sins the CIA committed as a rogue agency accountable to nobody...
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Interested to see who Tommy thinks is a JFK expert. He is constantly ridiculing folks who see through the framing of LHO. Also seems in heavy denial about the sins the CIA committed as a rogue agency accountable to nobody...
James,
I totally agree with you that there was absolutely no reason for the evil, evil, evil CIA to do such nasty, nasty, nasty things while it was ... LOL! "trying to protect America and its (already-penetrated) allies" LOL! ... against the humanitarian organizations known as the KGB (today's SVR and FSB) and the GRU (ever heard of it?), which the former, thank God, was able to take effective control of CIA Counterintelligence in 1968 with the "clearing" of TRUE DEFECTOR Yuri Nosenko and his Soviet safety net in the equally evil FBI, and ... thank God ...the eventual hiring of him to teach counterintelligence techniques and theory to CIA's new recruits!
Etc Etc Etc
-- MWT ;)
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I must agree that Horne is one of the shining lights who has done great work. Extremely valuable corroboration of David Lifton's difficult to believe thesis. Our government was stolen from us by LBJ, which got us Vietnam.
Does Horne corroborate Lifton’s belief all shots were fired from the front?
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A. Hidell
OH Lee
Dirty Harvey
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Oops, Tommy didn't address anything I asked. Instead he blathered on about something totally irrelevant to my points. That's pretty typical. My concern with the CIA originates with Allen Dulles, who has a lot to answer for in his relationship with JFK. Anyone else suspicious of LBJ appointing Dulles to the Warren Commission? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JFK terminate Dulles for his shenanigans at the Bay of Swine? Is Tommy denying that Dulles and several other intelligence folks might have had furious anger at JFK? Is this really so hard to swallow for you lone nut jobs?
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Oops, Tommy didn't address anything I asked. Instead he blathered on about something totally irrelevant to my points. That's pretty typical. My concern with the CIA originates with Allen Dulles, who has a lot to answer for in his relationship with JFK. Anyone else suspicious of LBJ appointing Dulles to the Warren Commission? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JFK terminate Dulles for his shenanigans at the Bay of Swine? Is Tommy denying that Dulles and several other intelligence folks might have had furious anger at JFK? Is this really so hard to swallow for you lone nut jobs?
Dulles may have. Doesn't mean he had JFK killed though.
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I must agree that Horne is one of the shining lights who has done great work. Extremely valuable corroboration of David Lifton's difficult to believe thesis. Our government was stolen from us by LBJ, which got us Vietnam.
One of the best experts is the one who provided corroboration for David Lifton’s theory?
This is a pretty questionable opinion. Even Dr. Cyril Wecht found Lifton’s theory to be difficult to believe, to say the least. But it is curious to find that there are people out there, I mean really out there, who are able to believe it.
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Oops, Tommy didn't address anything I asked. Instead he blathered on about something totally irrelevant to my points. That's pretty typical. My concern with the CIA originates with Allen Dulles, who has a lot to answer for in his relationship with JFK. Anyone else suspicious of LBJ appointing Dulles to the Warren Commission? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JFK terminate Dulles for his shenanigans at the Bay of Swine? Is Tommy denying that Dulles and several other intelligence folks might have had furious anger at JFK? Is this really so hard to swallow for you lone nut jobs?
Nor do you. You applaud Horne’s efforts re: ARRB and I asked you: Did Horne corroborate Lifton’s theory all shots were from the front? Simple question for a Horne supporter.
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Is it:
Gerald Posner
Vincent Bugliosi
John McAdams
or
Dale Myers
I guess as Myers mostly deals with the Tippit shooting that would rule him out of the "JFK" assassination as such. That just leaves Posner, Bugliosi and McAdams. Its tough to decide between the three because they all bring their own uniqueness to the case.
I think Jim DiEugenio is.
After all, he gets about 10% of it right.
Close second: Jefferson Morley, who still believes Yuri "The KGB Had Nothing To Do With Oswald In The USSR" Nosenko was a true defector, and who lends far too much credence to probable mole George Kisevalter, imho.
LOL
-- MWT ;)
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I believe the two researchers had some differences of opinion on a few matters. I also don't expect any researcher to be perfect as I am far from perfect myself. If you make a mistake, should I use that mistake to discredit everything you have ever uttered?
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I believe the two researchers had some differences of opinion on a few matters. I also don't expect any researcher to be perfect as I am far from perfect myself. If you make a mistake, should I use that mistake to discredit everything you have ever uttered?
James,
Why the hyperbole, couched in a rhetorical question?
You, like most CTers, seem to excell at that.
Regardless, did I imply that Jumbo Duh and Morley are two peas in a pod?
If so, my bad.
CTers tend to be affected by different variations of KGB disinformation and propaganda in different, but still woebegone, ways.
-- MWT ;)
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Since when is Cyril Wecht the arbiter of everything? I respect his contributions, but Lifton wasn't a fan. I concede that Lifton's theory is hard to swallow, but he has excellent documentation that has been corroborated by witnesses and then Horne solidified that research by finding additional witnesses and testimony. Much easier to swallow than the "Lee Hardly" story. I interviewed Lifton in 1986 by phone...
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Tommy doesn't know what hyperbole means since there's nothing remotely hyperbolic in my innocuous reply. As usual, Tommy fails to answer any of my questions...
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James,
Why the hyperbole, and couched in a rhetorical question, at that?
(You, like most CTers, seem to excell at that.)
Regardless, did I imply that Jumbo Duh and Morley are two peas in a pod?
If so, my bad.
CTers tend to be affected by different variations of KGB disinformation and propaganda in different, but still woebegone, America-destroying ways.
Haven't you noticed?
-- MWT ;)
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-- MWT ;)
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Tommy doesn't know what hyperbole means since there's nothing remotely hyperbolic in my innocuous reply. As usual, Tommy fails to answer any of my questions...
James,
More hyperbole (or should I say "gaslighting"?) on your part.
The indefinite article "a" (in "a mistake") and the word "everything" (in "everything you say") were exaggerations in the context and sentence it was used, wouldn't you agree?
Regardless, what question was that?
Would you care to rephrase it, now?
How about this: "Tommy, if you make oodles and gobs of mistakes, shouldn't I be skeptical of almost everything you say"?
My answer: "YES, OF COURSE!"
LOL
-- MWT ;)
What questions in the past are you still hankering to get an answer from me on?
Wanna give 'em another shot?
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Sorry Tommy, I too reserve my contempt and sarcasm for the Warren Commission and folks like Specter and Belin. Private researchers have made plenty of mistakes, but what's Hoover's excuse for such a pathetic and totally unbelievable report? Remember, the Warren Commission used the FBI almost exclusively as their investigative body and it was Dulles who was the prime commissioner. Dulles has culpability as a master cover-up agent at a minimum and he could have had a more sinister role as well. He's too smart to get involved without plausible deniability but researching who visited Dulles in '63 is pretty interesting. But Tommy, apparently some kind of CIA stooge, always mocks anyone who says a word about the Criminal Intelligence Agency. Not saying all agents are criminal or that any more than a few are suspects in JFK's death. However, there are many CIA folks who bear serious investigation. No problems with Morales or their ilk???
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Tommy doesn't know what hyperbole means since there's nothing remotely hyperbolic in my innocuous reply. As usual, Tommy fails to answer any of my questions...
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James B.,
More hyperbole (or should I say "gaslighting"?) on your part.
The indefinite article "a" (in "a mistake") and the word "everything" (in "everything you say") were exaggerations in the context and sentence it was used, wouldn't you agree?
Regardless, what question was that?
Would you care to rephrase it, now?
How about this: "Tommy, if you make oodles and gobs of mistakes, shouldn't I be skeptical of almost everything you say"?
My answer: "YES, OF COURSE!"
LOL
-- MWT ;)
What questions in the past are you still hankering to get an answer from me on?
Wanna give 'em another shot?
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Tommy has a reading comprehension problem. I looked at my posts carefully and don't see the word "everything" used. Then you accused me of additional hyperbole. Please look up the word "hyperbole." Again, nothing hyperbolic there. If I was really exaggerating, I would say, "Tommy is certainly a CIA agent." But I don't know that's true. It would be hyperbole if I made that accusation. Get it now? What about another example of hyperbole? "All lone nutters are brainwashed by corrupt government reports that are 100 percent bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns." See? That's easy to say, but it's not true. People have a variety of ways to look at the evidence, and a variety of reasons they ignore what they don't like. It's human nature. I'm not immune from it either.
Not going to ask questions a second time since you're busy making insults instead of replying to serious questions. Besides, your answers make no logical sense. Like trying to discuss non-violence with a Trump supporter...
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Sorry Tommy, I too reserve my contempt and sarcasm for the Warren Commission and folks like Specter and Belin. Private researchers have made plenty of mistakes, but what's Hoover's excuse for such a pathetic and totally unbelievable report? Remember, the Warren Commission used the FBI almost exclusively as their investigative body and it was Dulles who was the prime commissioner. Dulles has culpability as a master cover-up agent at a minimum and he could have had a more sinister role as well. He's too smart to get involved without plausible deniability but researching who visited Dulles in '63 is pretty interesting. But Tommy, apparently some kind of CIA stooge, always mocks anyone who says a word about the Criminal Intelligence Agency. Not saying all agents are criminal or that any more than a few are suspects in JFK's death. However, there are many CIA folks who bear serious investigation. No problems with Morales or their ilk???
James,
Do you really think I'm some kind of ""CIA stooge"?
What does that mean, anyway?
Agent?
Officer?
Hmm ... Contract hit man?
(I guess it's the word "stooge" I object to, punk.)
If not, why then are you insinuating (against the rules, I believe) that I am?
Sounds as though James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio, David "Rude" Josephs, and Michael "Run Away" Clark, et al., have rubbed off on you.
Nope, although when an American friend of mine in the Czech Republic was getting ready to quit teaching "English Conversation" lessons at Dukovany nuclear power station there, I considered applying for that postion, and was thinking that IF I got it I would volunteer to "spy" for The Agency, but someone else got position before I could apply for it.
The position at the nuclear power station, that is.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Bummer, huh?
All I've done is read Epstein's Legend and Deception, and Tennent H. Bagley's books Spy Wars and Spy Master and his 35-page PDF Ghosts of the Spy Wars (see below), and Mark Riebling's fine book Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362
You? What have you read? Tom Mangold's execrable book Cold Warrior, and Jeff Morley's laughable Ghost (read my one-star review of it at Amazon), etc?
Pity that.
Btw, how long have you been like this?
Ever since you saw the movie [sic] JFK, a big money-making malignant outgrowth of the "case" against the "evil, evil, evil" that the mobbed-up, glory-seeking district attorney of New Orleans cooked up after starting out claiming that the assassination of JFK was some kind of a HOMOSEXUALTHRILL-KILL CONSPIRACY, until, that is, he was swayed (pardon the pun) by some KGB disinfo that had been placed by that humanitarian organization in a pro-Communist newspaper IN ITALY?
Pity that.
-- MWT ;)
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Tommy has a reading comprehension problem. I looked at my posts carefully and don't see the word "everything" used. Then you accused me of additional hyperbole. Please look up the word "hyperbole." Again, nothing hyperbolic there. If I was really exaggerating, I would say, "Tommy is certainly a CIA agent." But I don't know that's true. It would be hyperbole if I made that accusation. Get it now? What about another example of hyperbole? "All lone nutters are brainwashed by corrupt government reports that are 100 percent bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns." See? That's easy to say, but it's not true. People have a variety of ways to look at the evidence, and a variety of reasons they ignore what they don't like. It's human nature. I'm not immune from it either.
Not going to ask questions a second time since you're busy making insults instead of replying to serious questions. Besides, your answers make no logical sense. Like trying to discuss non-violence with a Trump supporter...
James,
Did you look at everything?
Oops, did you say, "... I shouldn't [or can't, or whatever] trust ANYTHING you say", instead?
If so, ... what's the diff?
-- MWT ;)
PS Do you always get so confused when you're losing? The desperation kinda messes you up, makes it hard for you to focus and not skip around, chasing your rhetorical tail from subject-to-subject-to-subject, and ... gasp ... round and round amongst the sub-subjects therein, perennially on "the wrong page," both figuratively and literally?
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~~Who is the best JFK expert?~~
The CIA who plotted and killed JFK that's who.
Dang, you hit it right on the head, Rinaldi.
Truth-be-told, we spent many a sleepless night planning, from 1959 on, how to use the hundreds of people in the op, and even more in that tricky coverup.
-- MWT ;)
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~~Who is the best JFK expert?~~
The CIA who plotted and killed JFK that's who.
Two words that never have “The” before them. God....and CIA.
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Another completely unfathomable response from Tommy. Like usual, no point in engaging...
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~~Who is the best JFK expert?~~
No brainer. Anyone not named Thomas Graves.
Yup Yup Yup.
"The evil, evil, evil CIA did it!"
"The KGB didn't penetrate CIA and the FBI and our allies's intelligence services, nor did it starve-to-death 2 to 3 million Ukrainian peasants in the 1930s, nor did it torture and murder thousands of dissidents over rhe decades, it was (and still is, under different nomenclature) A HUMANITARIAN ORGANIZATION !"
"THE COLD WAR IS OVER!"
(At least that's what Jumbo Duh and Jefferson Morley and David "Rude" Josephs, and Michael "Runaway" Clark, and Oliver "I Like Vladimir Putin and My Son Works For RT" Stone, et al., told me.)
LOL
-- MWT ;)
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Another completely unfathomable response from Tommy. Like usual, no point in engaging...
*As usual ...
Bye bye, James.
See you soon?
-- MWT ;)
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~~American friend of mine in the Czech Republic was getting ready to quit teaching "English Conversation" lessons at Dukovany nuclear power station there, I considered applying for that postion, and was thinking that IF I got it I would volunteer to "spy" for The Agency, but someone else got position before I could apply for it.
The position at the nuclear power station, that is.~~
Link or it never happened.
Let's verify this claim.
You mis spelled "position"
Dear Roman,
Is your real name Mike/Michael Clark?
The reason I ask is because about four years ago at the EF, you/he challenged me to prove what I'd said was true, i.e., that one day in Brno during the summer (iirc) of 1996 , I saw Chuch Berry give a free concert in a medieval square there.
He wanted to see a ticket stub (LOL), or a photo, "or it didn't happen".
Now, regarding the Dukovany nuclear power station, what would you like to know?
Warning: I never went to the place. Why? Because the next time I saw my friend, he told me that the teaching position had already been filled in advance, i.e., before he'd vacated the position.
Does that make any sense to you, Roman? (That is your name, isn't it?)
Why's it so important to you, anyway?
LOL
-- MWT ;)
https://www.idnes.cz/brno/zpravy/berry-v-brne.A170321_2313780_brno-zpravy_vh