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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Izraul Hidashi on April 19, 2020, 09:37:08 AM
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Since the Oswald Swallowers know everything, maybe they can answer some simple questions for the crazy CT's.
Why would Oswald need to go home and grab a jacket on a sunny Texas afternoon when he was already wearing a long sleeve flannel?
Why in gods name would Oswald (or anyone else for that matter) shoot a cop with a revolver, and stop to take the time to dump the shells out for the police to find?
Why did Oswald ditch his jacket? Was he scared it could incriminate him? How could his jacket be more incriminating than the actual gun and shells?
Why would Oswald sneak into a movie if he had money to buy popcorn? He was worried about his jacket giving him away, but not the gun, the shells, or taking the chance of sneaking into a movie?
If Oswald really wanted to kill the president and he was really on the 6th floor with a rifle, why didn't he take this shot? https://photos.app.goo.gl/pJ9u9XKWsaYND2NE7
Or this shot... https://photos.app.goo.gl/dEVkMhq5FXKc1RbZ9 Or even this shot.... https://photos.app.goo.gl/FANxoHLqPxbRtkNC9
Why did he wait all the way until the worst possible shot? And how did this shot even work, considering the huge obstruction that was in his way which was clearly taken down later so people wouldn't question this.. https://photos.app.goo.gl/eeemopZCx9oJFSdw6
Yeah... go ahead and that answer that one. I dare you to even to try. In fact, I triple dog dare you! That alone is absolute proof that Oswald didn't shoot him. That puts an end to this whole silly debate. But let's continue, just for spombleprofglidnoctobunss and giggles.
If Oswald shot the president at 12:30 and then calmly walked to the 2nd floor to buy a coke, and then stopped to talk to police officer, how long would that take? 5 or 10 minutes?
And after that amount of time, how long would it take to walk 7 blocks to wait for a bus? (5 blocks = 1/4 mile) another 5 to 10 minutes?
And after that, how long would it take for the bus to get there, get on the bus, and drive a few blocks thru presidential motorcade traffic in downtown Dallas? Another 5 to 10 minutes?
And after that, how long would it take to get a transfer (for no reason) and walk another 4 to 5 blocks to find a cab? Another 5 to 15 minutes?
And once you found a cab, how long would it take to drive 2.4 miles through 6-9 stop lights, 4 blocks past your house? Another 5 to 15 minutes?
And once you got out the cab and paid the driver, then walked 4 blocks home (another 5 to 10 minutes), what time do you think it would be?
After sitting home for 5 to 10 minutes, how long do you think it would take to walk another mile / mile and a half? About 20 to 30 minutes?
How many minutes after 12:30 do you think that would be?
Which part of any of this silly ass nonsense makes perfect sense to you Oswald Swallowers?
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And once you found a cab, how long would it take to drive 2.4 miles through 6-9 stop lights, 4 blocks past your house? Another 5 to 15 minutes?
The lights were with Whaley that day:
Representative FORD. Now on this particular trip with Oswald, do you recall the lights being with you?
Mr. WHALEY. They were with me, sir; for I timed them that way before I took off. Because I made that so much that I know the light system and how they are going to turn.
The WC estimates he could do the drive in about 5 minutes 30 seconds. That easily gets Oswald to the rooming house by 1pm.
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The lights were with Whaley that day:
Representative FORD. Now on this particular trip with Oswald, do you recall the lights being with you?
Mr. WHALEY. They were with me, sir; for I timed them that way before I took off. Because I made that so much that I know the light system and how they are going to turn.
The WC estimates he could do the drive in about 5 minutes 30 seconds. That easily gets Oswald to the rooming house by 1pm.
Lee Oswald was still in the TSBD at the time Whaley's fare entered his taxi...... And Whaley said his passenger was wearing a BLUE jacket and trouser that matched the jacket.... Whaley said the clothing was like a uniform..... Do you recall the color of Lee's shirt? Could it have been mistaken for a BLUE uniform type jacket?
Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger....
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So the lights made everything faster? Okay, we can shave 5 to 10 minutes off. Does that really make a difference? Do you really think it's plausible that he could have shot the president with a rifle that the army testers said was such a piece of crap there there was no way it could have killed the president? Here's a quote:
"The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state:
Shims had to be applied to the telescopic sight before the rifle could be aimed
Even after the telescopic sight had been repaired, it proved unreliable and inaccurate
The condition of both the bolt and the trigger pull meant that the rifle could not be aimed accurately
The rifle discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository could not have caused any of the wounds to Kennedy, Connally or Tague, except by accident."
Here's a reference to notes found in the WC report:
“They [the US Army marksmen] could not sight the weapon in using the telescope, and no attempt was made to sight it in using the iron sight. We did adjust the telescopic sight by the addition of two shims, one which tended to adjust the azimuth, and one which adjusted an elevation”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.443.
According to the FBI’s firearms specialist, “Every time we changed the adjusting screws to move the crosshairs in the telescopic sight in one direction it also affected the movement of the impact or the point of impact in the other direction. … We fired several shots and found that the shots were not all landing in the same place, but were gradually moving away from the point of impact.”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.405.
Problems with the bolt and the trigger mechanism: “There were several comments made — particularly with respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. … There was also comment made about the trigger pull … in the first stage the trigger is relatively free, and it suddenly required a greater pull to actually fire the weapon.”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.449. “The pressure to open the bolt was so great that that we tended to move the rifle off the target.”: ibid., p.451."
If the Army and FBI experts couldn't shoot that thing, do you really think a crappy shot like Oswald could have done better? And then made that trip doing all those things within 30 minutes to kill a cop? I used to take the bus to Oak Cliff and Pleasant Grove. I can tell you right now there's no way Oswald could have done all that in 30 minutes.
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Lee Oswald was still in the TSBD at the time Whaley's fare entered his taxi...... And Whaley said his passenger was wearing a BLUE jacket and trouser that matched the jacket.... Whaley said the clothing was like a uniform..... Do you recall the color of Lee's shirt? Could it have been mistaken for a BLUE uniform type jacket?
Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger....
I don't believe he was his passenger either. The whole official story is so retarded that I'm actually amazed a grown person could fall for it. I think people were coerced (possibly even threatened) into giving false testimony. And clearly there was someone else who looked like Oswald doing questionable things. It's pretty obvious someone was trying to leave as much as evidence as possible for the police to find.
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If Oswald really wanted to kill the president and he was really on the 6th floor with a rifle, why didn't he take this shot? https://photos.app.goo.gl/pJ9u9XKWsaYND2NE7
Or this shot... https://photos.app.goo.gl/dEVkMhq5FXKc1RbZ9 Or even this shot.... https://photos.app.goo.gl/FANxoHLqPxbRtkNC9
Way too easy ;)
The lights were with Whaley that day:
The light gods? [Never kind to me]
The Report had to have Oswald leave that room at least 5 to 10 minutes before 1:00 and head directly the shortest way possible to the shooting and that just didn't happen.
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You can ask a lot of unanswerable questions which can continue on and on. There are so many contradictions that you can only realize that it was a well planned event.
Here are a few more to add to your bucket list!
1) LHO was allowed to change citizenship and become Russian. He was in military, a marksman and almost certainly would have ties to the CIA to allow him to regain citizenship and find himself working at the TSBD. He was groomed to meet his destiny and didn't realize that he was going to take the wrap. Finding him in a cinema seems about the worst place to hide and not having a driver's license and using it quite another mystery. Was he autistic or brainwashed and actually told he was in some sort of covert operation, even sent to Russia - maybe even told he was a top secret undercover spy! I have no doubt that he was part of some kind of operation. He likely didn't know that he was tailor made and framed. He was likely even told to meet with someone at the theater, thinking the operation he was part of was top secret and that meeting spot was asked of him and he was complicit.
2) The one who saw the whole thing unfold before her very eyes, never issued a statement and remained silent for the rest of her life. Jacqueline Kennedy. She had a story to tell. Even a few of her words that made it out, beg to be answered: "That is not Jack" and "They killed him". She tries to flee out of the back of the car, some say to gather brain matter.
3) Even looking at the Zapruder film makes you question what you see. Who makes the biggest movements in the scene beside the vehicle processsion? Ike Altgens takes photos and is unmoved from his position throughout. He can't even capture a photo at the critical moment. He is an expert photographer. Yet, the man beside him can clearly be seen rolling into the grass? Where exactly was that man standing and prompted him to move like he did? Was he running? Did the car stop for a moment? Is there a reason Kennedy raises his arm as if to protect himself at about the same time after being shot in frame 313 while his wife iappears to looking at his chest?
4) Look at the autopsy and how badly botched it was and how everything seems to have gone missing - they can't even find his brain. It was not done by a professional independent investigator/coroner but his doctor. Hardly a photo was released and yet some have claimed there was actually thousands - all were destroyed or confiscated but a few! Putting it into perspective, not much different than an airplane hitting the Pentagon at 911 and there is only "ONE" survelillance camera that shows a projectile hitting the building. All other tapes (gas station surveillance etc.) are nonexistent and destroyed. All gathered up! Why would you do such things to hide the truth? Surely if a 757 was hurling at level flight, there were cameras in the area that would capture that image! That operation was done right by an air force base and in a no fly zone! That is the epicenter of the military operation of the United States of America and you had only one camera and one angle recording this 757 crash? No, there was something fishy there as well! About as fishy as a high profile pedophile Epstein committing suicide right after coming off suicide watch - no cameras or guards watching cell or issuing statements! Come on people, wake up and smell the coffee. All happenstances and just a comedy of errors by all!
5) A magic bullet finds its way onto a stretcher is by happenstance Pretty amazing when you think of all the coincidences you see.
6) A man who hates Kennedy and fired by him ends up on the Warren Commission as part of the investigation team to look into his murder. (Allen Dulles of the CIA!)
7) Night Club Owner Jack Ruby takes out LHO because of his strong patriotism and does it right in front of the police in their own basement. Seems he knew where to find LHO and how they were to transport him - again happenstance.
8) Everything in the JFK assassination story is rightfully questionable and appears to be a system of smoke and mirrors. Something found in fictional novels and something woven into politics, corruption and deception of the masses. Operation mockingbird literally! Even with the pandemic now, everyone glued to the TeeVee to watch the "Tell a vision" and soak it up.
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LHO was allowed to change citizenship and become Russian...and almost certainly would have ties to the CIA to allow him to regain citizenship...
He did not become a Soviet citizen.
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You are correct. My bad! But he still defected and wanted Russian Citizenship which is a side note. After serving as a marine for 3 years?, you would hardly expect someone to want to become a citizen of another nation! What drove this man to do that or was he part of someone else's purpose is the question. Did he think he could be some James Bond type agent and work undercover? Certainly a peculiar situation!
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/01/08/lee-harvey-oswalds-request-for-soviet-citizenship/ (https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/01/08/lee-harvey-oswalds-request-for-soviet-citizenship/)
....At present I am a citizen of the United States of America.
I want citizenship because; I am a communist and a worker, I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.
I am twenty years old, I have completed three years in the United States Marine Corps, I served with the occupation forces in Japan, I have seen American military imperialism in all its forms,
I do not want to return to any country outside of the Soviet Union.
I am writing to give up my American citizenship and assume the responsibilities of a Soviet citizen....
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But he still defected and wanted Russian Citizenship which is a side note.
It was all for show.
In this fake diary of his 'Oswald' wrote that the Kommisars came and asked him to become Soviet citizen.
Something that would never happen. What a pile of gavno! :-\
The Fowler link... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673#relPageId=233&tab=page
The written pages here... https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339322/m1/1/
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Since the Oswald Swallowers know everything, maybe they can answer some simple questions for the crazy CT's.
You should not insult others on this forum. Should Duncan be informed? I’ll leave it to you. Answer this one question:
QUESTION: DO YOU WANT DUNCAN TO BE INFORMED? YES OR NO?
Why would Oswald need to go home and grab a jacket on a sunny Texas afternoon when he was already wearing a long sleeve flannel?
Because he did not plan on returning ever again and he may face the cold of November on the subsequent days and nights.
Why in gods name would Oswald (or anyone else for that matter) shoot a cop with a revolver, and stop to take the time to dump the shells out for the police to find?
To reload. If he wants to reload immediately, he has to empty the shells from the revolver. Better to take the incriminating shells with him then to leave them behind? Questionable.
Why did Oswald ditch his jacket? Was he scared it could incriminate him? How could his jacket be more incriminating than the actual gun and shells?
How could it indeed? But that still isn’t enough to incriminate him in your mind. Ditching his jacket instantly changes his appearance. He could assume the police would be looking for a man wearing the color of jacket he had on when he shot Officer Tippet.
Why would Oswald sneak into a movie if he had money to buy popcorn? He was worried about his jacket giving him away, but not the gun, the shells, or taking the chance of sneaking into a movie?
Needed to get off the street immediately. In his mind the police might stop him on sight, as Officer Tippet did. Can’t take the time to buy a ticket.
If Oswald really wanted to kill the president and he was really on the 6th floor with a rifle, why didn't he take this shot? https://photos.app.goo.gl/pJ9u9XKWsaYND2NE7
Or this shot... https://photos.app.goo.gl/dEVkMhq5FXKc1RbZ9 Or even this shot.... https://photos.app.goo.gl/FANxoHLqPxbRtkNC9
High angular velocity of the target. The angular velocity of the target does not drop below 2 degrees per second, and hold that for at least a second, until around frame z222.
Why did he wait all the way until the worst possible shot? And how did this shot even work, considering the huge obstruction that was in his way which was clearly taken down later so people wouldn't question this.. https://photos.app.goo.gl/eeemopZCx9oJFSdw6
He didn’t take that shot, that occurs after the last shot at z312.
Enough of your inane questions. And enough of your name calling or you will be reported.
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You should not insult others on this forum.
Enough of your inane questions. And enough of your name calling or you will be reported.
Joe Elliott...I have reviewed this thread and find that nowhere were you singled out, insulted or called a name.
However I do notice that you have directly insulted the original poster by calling out his inquiry as "inane".
Everyone here has a right to post...even if theoretically. If you don't like the post..you don't have to read it.
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Joe Elliott...I have reviewed this thread and find that nowhere were you singled out, insulted or called a name.
However I do notice that you have directly insulted the original poster by calling out his inquiry as "inane".
Everyone here has a right to post...even if theoretically. If you don't like the post..you don't have to read it.
He insulted all LNers by referring to us as “Oswald Swallowers”. I’ll call anyone who calls us that inane. Which is a mild response. But if you don’t think this is an insult, go ahead and report to Duncan what Izraul said.
You might also mention to him that the possibility that “Izraul Hidashi” might be a fake name, chosen to insult Israel. And is Izraul Hidashi antisemitic?
I found the following googling his name:
Anyone still think Israel isn't the problem but the Muslims are?
For well over 60 years Israel has worked to frame Muslims and get others like the US to do their dirty work. They have instilled hate against the middle east and anyone who catches on and opposes their actions, and it's all done through the control of western media outlets.
But it's more than just hate. Israel teaches their own the lies that they are superior above the rest of us and we are all just dirt. They believe they are smarter and stronger, which has been evident in their past black operations to fool and control the acts of others.
The USS Liberty and the Fake Radio Transmission incident of the 80's are perfect examples of this. And just like everything else, Israel finger prints are eventually found to be all over other acts of terrorism and terrorist groups, such as 9/11 and ISIS.
I guess were all just supposed to be too stupid and blind to see. And maybe they're right... at least about most of the people.
Those with common sense tend to still be a problem for them though. lol.
Combined with a first name of “Izraul”, yes, I think him being an anti-Semite is a real possibility. You might want to bring this up with Duncan to.
Let us know what you communicated to Duncan. If you respond with silence, we will know you think it best if Duncan does not look into this.
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So the lights made everything faster? Okay, we can shave 5 to 10 minutes off. Does that really make a difference? Do you really think it's plausible that he could have shot the president with a rifle that the army testers said was such a piece of crap there there was no way it could have killed the president? Here's a quote:
"The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state:
Shims had to be applied to the telescopic sight before the rifle could be aimed
Even after the telescopic sight had been repaired, it proved unreliable and inaccurate
The condition of both the bolt and the trigger pull meant that the rifle could not be aimed accurately
The rifle discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository could not have caused any of the wounds to Kennedy, Connally or Tague, except by accident."
Here's a reference to notes found in the WC report:
“They [the US Army marksmen] could not sight the weapon in using the telescope, and no attempt was made to sight it in using the iron sight. We did adjust the telescopic sight by the addition of two shims, one which tended to adjust the azimuth, and one which adjusted an elevation”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.443.
According to the FBI’s firearms specialist, “Every time we changed the adjusting screws to move the crosshairs in the telescopic sight in one direction it also affected the movement of the impact or the point of impact in the other direction. … We fired several shots and found that the shots were not all landing in the same place, but were gradually moving away from the point of impact.”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.405.
Problems with the bolt and the trigger mechanism: “There were several comments made — particularly with respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. … There was also comment made about the trigger pull … in the first stage the trigger is relatively free, and it suddenly required a greater pull to actually fire the weapon.”: Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.449. “The pressure to open the bolt was so great that that we tended to move the rifle off the target.”: ibid., p.451."
If the Army and FBI experts couldn't shoot that thing, do you really think a crappy shot like Oswald could have done better? And then made that trip doing all those things within 30 minutes to kill a cop? I used to take the bus to Oak Cliff and Pleasant Grove. I can tell you right now there's no way Oswald could have done all that in 30 minutes.
Oswald got lucky
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Ditching his jacket instantly changes his appearance. He could assume the police would be looking for a man wearing the color of jacket he had on when he shot Officer Tippet.
Exactly. And Oswald didn't exactly complain about not having a jacket in the lineup (I might be wrong but no one has piped up to confirm that either way. Too soon, I guess).
Most people were wearing jackets, overcoats etc that day. About 50° and windy along the route. Additionally, Buell described the little twerp's jacket as having bulky (baggy?) sleeves. After all, why reveal the bag in full profile if your intent is to disguise a 34.8" sandwich as a pair of curtain rods, eh..
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Better to take the incriminating shells with him then to leave them behind? Questionable.
What is the argument for leaving them behind and in front of witnesses? Other than wanting them to be found.
How could it indeed? But that still isn’t enough to incriminate him in your mind. Ditching his jacket instantly changes his appearance. He could assume the police would be looking for a man wearing the color of jacket he had on when he shot Officer Tippet.
Sure. Wouldn't he assume the police would also be looking for a guy with a handgun?
Needed to get off the street immediately.
"Immediately" as in 30 minutes later?
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What is the argument for leaving them behind and in front of witnesses? Other than wanting them to be found.
To reload his handgun as fast as possible. A totally cool customer might take a few extra seconds to pocket the shells as he empties the gun of them, and remember to ditch them later (very important). But a flustered murderer might do as he did, dump the shells out as soon as possible to allow reloading the gun as soon as possible.
Sure. Wouldn't he assume the police would also be looking for a guy with a handgun?
Police are always looking for a guy with a handgun. But murders don’t always ditch a murder weapon. They may need it again.
"Immediately" as in 30 minutes later?
Immediately as within a few seconds of a patrol car drawing level with Oswald’s position on the street in front of the theater.
Curious, if Oswald wanted to sneak into a theater just to catch a movie, not to avoid the police, wouldn’t he choose a time when a police car is not approaching? I would think so.
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Immediately as within a few seconds of a patrol car drawing level with Oswald’s position on the street in front of the theater.
Curious, if Oswald wanted to sneak into a theater just to catch a movie, not to avoid the police, wouldn’t he choose a time when a police car is not approaching? I would think so.
What in the world are you talking about?