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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Gerry Down on April 10, 2020, 11:47:40 PM
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The WC suggested that Oswald was walking east on 10th street:
(https://i.ibb.co/7XHqYDL/Tippit-Escape.png)
However the witnesses seem to suggest Oswald was walking west, then saw Tippit in the distance and began walking east. This seems to suggest that Oswald was not walking in a straight line from his rooming house in order to get to some location. It would also suggest that Rubys apartment was not his final destination as is often proposed.
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The WC suggested that Oswald was walking east on 10th street:
(https://i.ibb.co/7XHqYDL/Tippit-Escape.png)
However the witnesses seem to suggest Oswald was walking west, then saw Tippit in the distance and began walking east. This seems to suggest that Oswald was not walking in a straight line from his rooming house in order to get to some location. It would also suggest that Rubys apartment was not his final destination as is often proposed.
Having Oswald walk in the other direction would have added several minutes to the time that he would have needed to get there. The time would have gone up from the minimum 11 minutes to as much as en estimated 17 minutes. And that doesn't fit in the time line!
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Having Oswald walk in the other direction would have added several minutes to the time that he would have needed to get there. The time would have gone up from the minimum 11 minutes to as much as en estimated 17 minutes. And that doesn't fit in the time line!
But i don't think Oswald was walking. At the barber shop, they said Oswald went by very quick. Oswald may have been running through alot of those empty quiet streets.
The WC was wrong on his point. Oswald was walking west on 10th street.
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But i don't think Oswald was walking. At the barber shop, they said Oswald went by very quick. Oswald may have been running through alot of those empty quiet streets.
The WC was wrong on his point. Oswald was walking west on 10th street.
Pray tell... Can you give one good reason why somebody would run from a bus stop at North Beckley to a go-nowhere suburban street where he would stand out like a sore thumb?
If he was on the run, why not continue straight on down Beckley to Jefferson where he would be less noticable and where there are plenty of bus stops?
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Pray tell... Can you give one good reason why somebody would run from a bus stop at North Beckley to a go-nowhere suburban street where he would stand out like a sore thumb?
If he was on the run, why not continue straight on down Beckley to Jefferson where he would be less noticable and where there are plenty of bus stops?
Well this is what i'm trying to figure out. I think he was staying away from the main streets like Beckley and Jefferson because that's where cops most likely would be driving on.
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But i don't think Oswald was walking. At the barber shop, they said Oswald went by very quick. Oswald may have been running through alot of those empty quiet streets.
The WC was wrong on his point. Oswald was walking west on 10th street.
Was there a barber shop on the route between the Rooming house and 10th and Patton? I think that you're a bit confused.
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Well this is what i'm trying to figure out. I think he was staying away from the main streets like Beckley and Jefferson because that's where cops most likely would be driving on.
But that wouldn't explain the running.
By running he would draw attention to himself.
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But that wouldn't explain the running.
By running he would draw attention to himself.
The witnesses at the barber shop said he was running so he must have been.
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The witnesses at the barber shop said he was running so he must have been.
Unless the witness saw someone else
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The witnesses at the barber shop said he was running so he must have been.
The barber shop was on Jefferson between 10th and Patton and Zangs Blvd..... I don't believe anybody has ever proposed that Lee Oswald was traveling east on Jefferson after he left the rooming house.....
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No, it was at 620 E 10th street. About 2 blocks east of Patton.
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No, it was at 620 E 10th street. About 2 blocks east of Patton.
Was there more than one barbershop?
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Dale Myers: The Tippit Murder
https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/11/with-malice-tippit-murder-45-years.html
"While it should be emphasized that only Officer Tippit knows why he stopped Oswald, thirty-years of research and the preponderance of evidence suggests that Oswald was walking west on Tenth Street, spotted Tippit’s approaching squad car, spun around, and began walking east"-- Dale Myers
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Dale Myers: The Tippit Murder
https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/11/with-malice-tippit-murder-45-years.html
"While it should be emphasized that only Officer Tippit knows why he stopped Oswald, thirty-years of research and the preponderance of evidence suggests that Oswald was walking west on Tenth Street, spotted Tippit’s approaching squad car, spun around, and began walking east"
Ah yes....Tippit saw him and became suspicious because he was puking and gasping for breath after his mad dash from the rooming house, to nowhere ...... Though there was nobody with a stop watch to time that world record run.... He had ran over a mile in less time than Roger Bannister, who held the record at a couple of seconds less than four minutes.
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Was there more than one barbershop?
What barbershop are you talking about?
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Dale Myers: The Tippit Murder
https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/11/with-malice-tippit-murder-45-years.html
"While it should be emphasized that only Officer Tippit knows why he stopped Oswald, thirty-years of research and the preponderance of evidence suggests that Oswald was walking west on Tenth Street, spotted Tippit’s approaching squad car, spun around, and began walking east"-- Dale Myers
And by “preponderance of evidence”, Myers means no evidence whatsoever.
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What barbershop are you talking about?
The one that Tippit's killer supposedly ran past after the shooting......
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And by “preponderance of evidence”, Myers means no evidence whatsoever.
Your tired-old-contrarian 'no evidence whatsoever' rant never fails to conjure up the sight of you taking a knee at Oswald's graveside.
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Your tired-old-contrarian 'no evidence whatsoever' rant never fails to conjure up the sight of you taking a knee at Oswald's graveside.
Which only tells us what is in your head.... I saw the picture too and couldn't care less about it.
But if you want to make yourself usefull for once, instead of writing pointless posts, perhaps you can post here the “preponderance of evidence” that Myers refers to?
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Its a very odd route from Oswalds rooming house to then, 15 minutes later, be walking west on 10th street. But the evidence is overwhelming that he was indeed walking west.
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Its a very odd route from Oswalds rooming house to then, 15 minutes later, be walking west on 10th street. But the evidence is overwhelming that he was indeed walking west.
What "overwhelming" evidence would that be?
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What "overwhelming" evidence would that be?
The witnesses at the barber shop. That was Dale Myers conclusion anyway.
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The witnesses at the barber shop. That was Dale Myers conclusion anyway.
Myers' opinion can hardly be called "overwhelming".
He claims there is a preponderance of evidence for his conclusion but he fails to provide any of it, for one simple reason; it doesn't exist.
It's not even sure that the witness at the barber shop actually saw Oswald and not somebody else.
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Myers' opinion can hardly be called "overwhelming".
He claims there is a preponderance of evidence for his conclusion but he fails to provide any of it, for one simple reason; it doesn't exist.
It's not even sure that the witness at the barber shop actually saw Oswald and not somebody else.
If you have evidence that he had been walking east for some distance, i'm all ears.
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If you have evidence that he had been walking east for some distance, i'm all ears.
I have no idea if he was walking east or west. I don't even know if he (Oswald) was even there.
But then, I am not the one making such claims. Others do, and it's up to them to support those claims with evidence.
When they don't you need to question whatever it is they are claiming.
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Your tired-old-contrarian 'no evidence whatsoever' rant never fails to conjure up the sight of you taking a knee at Oswald's graveside.
Says the guy with no evidence whatsoever.
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Which only tells us what is in your head.... I saw the picture too and couldn't care less about it.
He never did explain what the problem was.
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Its a very odd route from Oswalds rooming house to then, 15 minutes later, be walking west on 10th street. But the evidence is overwhelming that he was indeed walking west.
I'm talking about the "spotted Tippit’s approaching squad car and spun around" claim. What's the preponderance of evidence for that?
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Says the guy with no evidence whatsoever.
Says the guy who took a knee at Oswald's grave
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Says the guy who took a knee at Oswald's grave
Says the guy who can't explain what the problem with that is..... ::)
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He never did explain what the problem was.
Says the guy who took a knee at Oswald's grave
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Ah yes....Tippit saw him and became suspicious because he was puking and gasping for breath after his mad dash from the rooming house, to nowhere ...... Though there was nobody with a stop watch to time that world record run.... He had ran over a mile in less time than Roger Bannister, who held the record at a couple of seconds less than four minutes.
No synchronized stopwatches/clocks anywhere in sight that day, pops
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As for Oswald walking east or west on Tenth, Jimmy Burt saw the eventual killer walking west on Tenth for almost a full block until encountered by the approaching patrol car.
William Scoggins was sitting in his cab eating his lunch. The cab was parked on Patton, facing north, right near the intersection with Tenth. If the killer was walking east for some distance, Scoggins should have seen him. Scoggins insisted the no one passed in front of his cab.
Scoggins is not proof that the man was not walking west to east, but it sure seems to me that Scoggins would have seen him. Same with Markham.
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No synchronized stopwatches/clocks anywhere in sight that day, pops
Which is why we can safely assume that J.C. Bowles, who was in charge of the DPD dispatchers, was correct when he told the HSCA that the times given verbally by the dispatchers (and thus copied in the transcripts) aren't reliable to determine the real time.
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Which only tells us what is in your head.... I saw the picture too and couldn't care less about it.
The visual is more revealing of what's in the head of the guy who took the knee at Oswald's grave. And btw, who asked you what you couldn't care less about?
But if you want to make yourself usefull for once, instead of writing pointless posts, perhaps you can post here the “preponderance of evidence” that Myers refers to?
The visual of the guy taking a knee at Oswald's grave makes any man's post useful. And I personally have never used the term 'preponderance of evidence'. That's on those who do. And no 'preponderance' needed.
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As for Oswald walking east or west on Tenth, Jimmy Burt saw the eventual killer walking west on Tenth for almost a full block until encountered by the approaching patrol car.
William Scoggins was sitting in his cab eating his lunch. The cab was parked on Patton, facing north, right near the intersection with Tenth. If the killer was walking east for some distance, Scoggins should have seen him. Scoggins insisted the no one passed in front of his cab.
Scoggins is not proof that the man was not walking west to east, but it sure seems to me that Scoggins would have seen him. Same with Markham.
I agree. But if Oswald had lived, Markham would be able to back him up because she told the Commission that Oswald was walking east right in front of Scoggins cab:
From the book "With Malice"
(https://i.ibb.co/ckGBDj9/Step-Up.png)
Now admittedly it looks like she is changing her story. I dont know if she is or not, or if that is just the way it seems. It just looks that way. But if she is right, Oswald could have been walking east for some distance and the killer was walking west for some distance. Oswald could have claimed this was proof he was not the killer and that he fled from the killer and thats why people saw him running down Patton.
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Which is why we can safely assume that J.C. Bowles, who was in charge of the DPD dispatchers, was correct when he told the HSCA that the times given verbally by the dispatchers (and thus copied in the transcripts) aren't reliable to determine the real time.
Oswald was self-timed
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Which only tells us what is in your head.... I saw the picture too and couldn't care less about it.
The visual is more revealing of what's in the head of the guy who took the knee at Oswald's grave. And btw, who asked you what you couldn't care less about?
Who asked you what you care about? Nobody, yet you can't shut up about it.
But if you want to make yourself usefull for once, instead of writing pointless posts, perhaps you can post here the “preponderance of evidence” that Myers refers to?
The visual of the guy taking a knee at Oswald's grave makes any man's post useful. And I personally have never used the term 'preponderance of evidence'. That's on those who do.
And once again you fail to make yourself useful.
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Who asked you what you care about? Nobody, yet you can't shut up about it.
> And yet here you are
And once again you fail to make yourself useful.
> See above
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And yet here you are
And once again you fail to make yourself useful.
See above
Better check the quality of the water where you live..... the symptoms aren't good.
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Better check the quality of the water where you live..... the symptoms aren't good.
Say something clever. Go ahead..
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Oswald was self-timed
Only he knows how fast he was walking/running that day.
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Only he knows how fast he was walking/running that day.
Only he knows how fast he was walking/running that day.
No that's not correct..... Mrs Roberts said that she saw Lee STANDING ( as in not moving) ...so she knew.......
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Only he knows how fast he was walking/running that day.
And these words of wisdom help us, how?
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Been studying this Tippit thing in more detail.
Is there any good witness that says Oswald was walking west for some distance? Because i'm struggling to find one.
I'm starting to think the WC was right when they drew a map showing Oswald walking east on 10th street.
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Only he knows how fast he was walking/running that day.
No spombleprofglidnoctobuns.
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The visual is more revealing of what's in the head of the guy who took the knee at Oswald's grave.
And still no answer for why he’s so obsessed with this photo.
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And still no answer for why he’s so obsessed with this photo.
I'm sure that Chappie is so imbued with hatred for Lee Oswald ( Because he's ingested so much BS about Lee Oswald) that he's blind to the fact that Lee was simply a naive sucker who placed his trust in a band of cutthroat pirates whom he thought were FBI men. Since Lee has been wrongfully convicted, in the history books and the public's mind It's good that someone kneels at his grave......
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Nice bit of speculation. There's just no evidence for it, though....
There's not even any solid evidence that Lee was at 10th & Patton.... Dom Benavides said the killer had his haircut in a different fashion than Lee Oswald. And Since Lee was seen at the rooming house at 1:04.... It would have been impossible for him to have been walking along 10th street at that same time .
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There's not even any solid evidence that Lee was at 10th & Patton.... Dom Benavides said the killer had his haircut in a different fashion than Lee Oswald. And Since Lee was seen at the rooming house at 1:04.... It would have been impossible for him to have been walking along 10th street at that same time .
The witnesses there said it was Oswald. Markham identified him from across the street.
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The witnesses there said it was Oswald. Markham identified him from across the street.
I don't give a RA what Markham ALLEGEDLY said..... The FACT IS:..... Lee could not have been there at 10th and Patton at 1:04, because Mrs Roberts saw him standing on the sidewalk at the Rooming house at 1:04.
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I don't give a RA what Markham ALLEGEDLY said..... The FACT IS:..... Lee could not have been there at 10th and Patton at 1:04, because Mrs Roberts saw him standing on the sidewalk at the Rooming house at 1:04.
Could have ran there. No eyewitnesses said he walked. Probably ran through the quiet side streets to get to wherever he was going before Tippit stopped him.