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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Jerry Freeman on April 04, 2020, 01:27:18 AM
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I ran across the testimony of a Mrs Mildred Sawyer which was taken in New Orleans...
Mrs Sawyer was a neighbor of Marguerite back in the early '50s.
Mr LIEBELER. Did you become acquainted with Mrs. Oswald to any extent during the time that you lived at this Exchange Place?
Mrs. SAWYER. Not really, because well, she was old enough to be my mother, I might say, and our working all the time and so was my husband--and then I was connected with the opera group here and I was out most of the time, and when we met it was usually on the stairway or in and out the door, once, in awhile talking on the steps, perhaps. About the most we did was bid each other the time of day, and that is about all, and, of course, the little boy the same thing. And I say "little boy" because to me he was a child when I saw him. I can vaguely remember, or I have a mental picture of, a little boy with blond, curly hair and rather nice looking, and that is about all I can say, and once In a while if he happened to be going out or coming in at the time I was going, he would always open the door and hold the door for me, and he seemed quite polite.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you become acquainted with Mrs. Oswald to any extent during the time that you lived at this Exchange Place?
Mrs. SAWYER. Not really, because well, she was old enough to be my mother, I might say, and our working all the time and so was my husband--and then I was connected with the opera group here and I was out most of the time, and when we met it was usually on the stairway or in and out the door, once, in awhile talking on the steps, perhaps. About the most we did was bid each other the time of day, and that is about all, and, of course, the little boy the same thing. And I say "little boy" because to me he was a child when I saw him. I can vaguely remember, or I have a mental picture of, a little boy with blond, curly hair and rather nice looking, and that is about all I can say, and once In a while if he happened to be going out or coming in at the time I was going, he would always open the door and hold the door for me, and he seemed quite polite.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember anything about Lee Oswald, the boy that lived there? I think you told the FBI that he would always get home before his mother and he was very quiet.
Mrs. SAWYER. Well, I say I am not certain that he always got home before his mother. I imagine he came home from school, because, as I say, occasionally I met him going up and down the stairway or at the door or something like that, but he was not a boisterous child and undoubtedly he was not an unruly child, because I am sure if he had been and she had scolded him we would have heard it unless it was very low voiced and----
Mr. LIEBELER. And you never did hear any arguments between them or any scolding?
Mrs. SAWYER. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he seem to be polite?
Mrs. SAWYER. Yes; quite polite.
Mr. LIEBELER. As far as you can recall, there was nothing peculiar or particularly outstanding about this boy that would call notice to him to distinguish him from other boys his age?
Mrs. SAWYER. Really, no; I wouldn't say anything that I can think of, and, as I say, I never came in contact with him long enough or spoke to him, and they were just average people. She just seemed like a very average mother, and I rather imagined in my own mind that she worked and probably did all she could to take care of him as any mother would. About the only thing I remembered about him was the fact that he was rather a nice-looking little boy, and his blond, curly hair.
Twice.... Mrs Sawyer mentions a youth with BLONDE--CURLY--HAIR ...and described a polite and apparently obedient child.
Are we talking about this youngster....?
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e8/28/d5/e828d52991d196078558995810b3bb1c--kennedy-assassination-true-crime.jpg)
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I sense a Harvey and Lee invasion!
Man the battle stations!
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Sigh.... I'm guessing Armstrong and Trump are a "two fer".
Mildred Sawyer told FBI interviewer Oswald and his mother moved in next door in late 1955. She said he was a teenager who read a lot. One year later, Oswald was enlisting in the USMC.
Jerry is presenting images of a younger person, presumably because Mildred Sawyer changed her description of her former teenage neighbor?
On October 15, 1956 HARVEY Oswald was interviewed in preparation for his enlistment in the Marine Corps.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57707&relPageId=69&search=sawyer_and%20commercial
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldMildredSawyerNOLA1956FBI.jpg)
Where is Mildred Sawyer's husband, why is she head of household in the city directory? UPDATE: For some reason, Mrs. Sawyer's husband. Joseph, is listed above the entry for his wife, Mildred Sawyer. FBI collected information from the late 1963 neighbor, Mrs. Martha Howorth, 126 Exchange Place, owner of the Society Page Bar, 119 Exchange Pl., describing Joseph Sawyer having died in mid 1962. Mrs. Howorth, "did not know where Mrs. Sawyer worked or what time she would be home."
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldWitnessMildredSawyer1956NOLA.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/Oswald1956NOLAcityDirectory.jpg)
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I sense a Harvey and Lee invasion!
Man the battle stations!
What a brilliant response! Let's all be glad that this issue was cleared up so frigging cleverly :-\
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How did "they" keep the "other Marguerite" out of city directories? How much did the years long "concealment" cost? Who paid for the OP and its participants?
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldFortWorth1957CityDirectory.jpg)
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How did "they" keep the "other Marguerite" out of city directories? How much did the years long "concealment" cost? Who paid for the OP and its participants?
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldFortWorth1957CityDirectory.jpg)
Dang....... NEW research !!! What a concept. Thine Intelligence reeks like surstroming...... (a compliment, bytheway. hoping today finds you and yours and the Chef well!) Colonavilus !!!! Colonavilus!! There no such ting, you are misconstrued, need bowl of noodles....... no, wait..... that ain't racist, is it, Tom? Trump needs to suey Pelosi for defamation of calacter.....
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What a brilliant response! Let's all be glad that this issue was cleared up so frigging cleverly :-\
There's no "issue" here to clear up.
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There's no "issue" here to clear up.
sez u...then why bother to respond?
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sez u...then why bother to respond?
Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.
Which will include many misrepresentations and outright sophistry.
Travel to the EF, where you can join David Josephs and other "theorists" in a circle jerk of epic proportions.
Or, stay here, and we get free amusement.
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Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.
Which will include many misrepresentations and outright sophistry.
Travel to the EF, where you can join David Josephs and other "theorists" in a circle jerk of epic proportions.
Or, stay here, and we get free amusement.
I am not here to "amuse" trolls like you. Any further response just confirms that designation. So why don't you travel to the nearest latrine?
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Date Residence School
Alvar Street (New Orleans) --
1940 1242 Congress Street --
March 1941 1010 Bartholomew Street --
January 1942 831 Pauline Street --
Late Spring 1942 111 Sherwood Forest Drive --
December 1942 Bethlehem Children's Home --
January 1944 4801 Victor Street (Dallas) --
Fall 1945 Granbury Road (Fort Worth) Benbrook Common
Summer 1946 311 Vermont St. (Covington, La.) Covington Elementary
January 1947 1505 Eight Avenue (Fort Worth) Clayton Public School
March 1948 3300 Willing Street Clark Elementary
Summer 1948 San Saba Street --
Fall 1948 7408 Ewing Arlington Heights
September 1949 -- Ridglea West Elementary
August 1952 325 East 92nd Street (New York) Trinity Evangelical Lutheran
September 1952 1455 Sheridan Avenue (Bronx) Public School 117
January 1953 825 East 179th Street Public School 44
January 1954 757 French Street (New Orleans) Beauregard Junior High
Spring 1954 1454 St. Mary Street --
1452 St. Mary Street --
Spring 1955 126 Exchange Place Warren Easton High
July 1956 4936 Collingwood (Fort Worth) Arlington Heights High
Source of record...Warren Report
I couldn't immediately find an entry for '51-'52 anywhere.
In contrast to the description of a youngster mentioned in the opening post....
Lee Harvey Oswald showed signs of violence and rebellion as a youth. He threatened his brother John and wife with a knife, was truant from school, and seemed a trouble youth. He idolized his brother Robert and wanted to join the Marines.
https://www.school-for-champions.com/biographies/lee_harvey_oswald.htm#.Xoll3XJOmUl
If someone would bother to review the testimony of John Pic....they would not find any such statement except that Mrs Pic told her husband about some knife incident. As usual, any vilification of Oswald stood paramount.
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Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.
Which will include many misrepresentations and outright sophistry.
Travel to the EF, where you can join David Josephs and other "theorists" in a circle jerk of epic proportions.
Or, stay here, and we get free amusement.
Nagell was the only survivor, after the bomber reportedly flew into the ground at a rather high rate of speed.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/Nagell1954CrashInjuryX.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/NagellRazor042166X.jpg)
John, presenting "the divide" in the most favorable light, IOW, attempting to give every forum participant the benefit of the doubt, it seems some hold themselves to a looser standard of proof not necessarily to mislead, but to provoke thought. David Joseph is replying to my posted observation that Dick Russell revised his convictions about Richard Nagell's claims, because:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/NagellCardUnknownOriginCX.jpg)
David Josephs is replying to my analysis, don't go beyond Dick Russell's guidance.:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-14015-post-100820.html#pid100820
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OSWALDnagellExampleDPF07152015_1of2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OSWALDnagellExampleDPF07152015_2of2.jpg)
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Source of record...Warren Report
I couldn't immediately find an entry for '51-'52 anywhere.
In contrast to the description of a youngster mentioned in the opening post....https://www.school-for-champions.com/biographies/lee_harvey_oswald.htm#.Xoll3XJOmUl
If someone would bother to review the testimony of John Pic....they would not find any such statement except that Mrs Pic told her husband about some knife incident. As usual, any vilification of Oswald stood paramount.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=45&relPageId=81&search=1951_and%20%20ewing
And :
http://harveyandlee.net/Early/Early.html
.......Problem:
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....... In September, 1948, Mrs. Oswald purchased a house at 7408 Ewing, which became the family home for the next 4 years........
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Colonavilus !!!! Colonavilus!! There no such ting, you are misconstrued, need bowl of noodles....... no, wait..... that ain't racist, is it, Tom? Trump needs to suey Pelosi for defamation of calacter.....
Incredibly racist.
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Source of record...Warren Report
I couldn't immediately find an entry for '51-'52 anywhere.
In contrast to the description of a youngster mentioned in the opening post....https://www.school-for-champions.com/biographies/lee_harvey_oswald.htm#.Xoll3XJOmUl
If someone would bother to review the testimony of John Pic....they would not find any such statement except that Mrs Pic told her husband about some knife incident. As usual, any vilification of Oswald stood paramount.
As usual, any vilification of Oswald stood paramount.
That's right.....And who do you think twisted this minor disagreement into a major incident?
Marguerite said the incident was not a threat with a knife at all..... Lee had received a new pocket knife and he had it his hand admiring it as a boy will do, when her daughter in law started hassling Lee about some program that Lee was watching on TV, and in responding to Pic's wife he waved the knife around .....
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Incredibly racist.
Also incredibly stupid and off topic.
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Thanks, Mr. Scully.
Interestingly enough, there were two Mrs. M. Oswalds. Robert Oswald Sr.'s first wife was named , oddly enough, Margaret. He divorced her to marry Marguerite; however, the first Mrs. Oswald retained her married name for awhile after the divorce.
In reality, that's about the only "two Oswalds" you'll ever find.
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Nagell was the only survivor, after the bomber reportedly flew into the ground at a rather high rate of speed.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/Nagell1954CrashInjury.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/NagellRazor042166.jpg)
John, presenting "the divide" in the most favorable light, IOW, attempting to give every forum participant the benefit of the doubt, it seems some hold themselves to a looser standard of proof not necessarily to mislead, but to provoke thought. David Joseph is replying to my posted observation that Dick Russell revised his convictions about Richard Nagell's claims, because:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/NagellCardUnknownOriginC.jpg)
David Josephs is replying to my analysis, don't go beyond Dick Russell's guidance.:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-14015-post-100820.html#pid100820
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OSWALDnagellExampleDPF07152015_1of2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OSWALDnagellExampleDPF07152015_2of2.jpg)
Finally, the bottom right of the photo where it appears to say JUL is not part of the stamp that appears to say OCT 23, 1963 but part of the photo - which is also not similar to the stamps of the time
I'd suggest that you're not scrutinizing that card (N 4,271,617 ) .....If you get a magnifying glass and LOOK at the lower right of the photo you'll see UARTER written backwards. That "stamp was made by using a US QUARTER dollar coin, an ink pad and a date stamp.
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Finally, the bottom right of the photo where it appears to say JUL is not part of the stamp that appears to say OCT 23, 1963 but part of the photo - which is also not similar to the stamps of the time
I'd suggest that you're not scrutinizing that card (N 4,271,617 ) .....If you get a magnifying glass and LOOK at the lower right of the photo you'll see UARTER written backwards. That "stamp was made by using a US QUARTER dollar coin, an ink pad and a date stamp.
Walt, you are replying to David Josephs' observation about the I.D. stamp. He is not posting in this thread.
I ran across the testimony of a Mrs Mildred Sawyer which was taken in New Orleans...
Mrs Sawyer was a neighbor of Marguerite back in the early '50s.Twice.... Mrs Sawyer mentions a youth with BLONDE--CURLY--HAIR ...and described a polite and apparently obedient child.
Are we talking about this youngster....?
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e8/28/d5/e828d52991d196078558995810b3bb1c--kennedy-assassination-true-crime.jpg)
Oswald turned 16 years old in October, 1955. Jerry, I don't observe you presenting much of anything in this thread, since your OP. At first I anticipated you had an argument to make. You seem distracted, possibly because your OP is misleading. As I posted earlier, Oswald was precisely one year from military enlistment. For the most part, the images displayed in the OP do not reflect what Mildred Sawyer's earliest statements describe.
https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=sawyer%20and%20%2214%20or%2015%20years%22&docset=1687
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldWitnessSawyerAge15in1955.jpg)
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Walt, you are replying to David Josephs' observation about the I.D. stamp. He is not posting in this thread.
Oswald turned 16 years old in October, 1955. Jerry, I don't observe you presenting much of anything in this thread, since your OP. At first I anticipated you had an argument to make. You seem distracted, possibly because your OP is misleading. As I posted earlier, Oswald was precisely one year from military enlistment. For the most part, the images displayed in the OP do not reflect what Mildred Sawyer's earliest statements describe.
https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=sawyer%20and%20%2214%20or%2015%20years%22&docset=1687
(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldWitnessSawyerAge15in1955.jpg)
It makes no difference..... I'm calling attention yo that "stamp" on the bottom of the photo.....
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As usual, any vilification of Oswald stood paramount.
That's right.....And who do you think twisted this minor disagreement into a major incident?
Marguerite said the incident was not a threat with a knife at all..... Lee had received a new pocket knife and he had it his hand admiring it as a boy will do, when her daughter in law started hassling Lee about some program that Lee was watching on TV, and in responding to Pic's wife he waved the knife around .....
Kinda like when a cop tries to grope your waist and you take a swing at him in self defense and he says hey, did you all see that? He punched me in the nose and tried to shoot me!
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Kinda like when a cop tries to grope your waist and you take a swing at him in self defense and he says hey, did you all see that? He punched me in the nose and tried to shoot me!
It's clear to me that Mc Donald had intention of provoking Lee Oswald..... But he never got the opportunity to shoot Lee because other cops were there and prevented the murder.
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Oswald turned 16 years old in October, 1955. Jerry, I don't observe you presenting much of anything in this thread, since your OP. At first I anticipated you had an argument to make. You seem distracted, possibly because your OP is misleading. As I posted earlier, Oswald was precisely one year from military enlistment. For the most part, the images displayed in the OP do not reflect what Mildred Sawyer's earliest statements describe.
What does Richard Nagel have to do with Oswald's childhood?
When did Oswald ever have blonde hair?
There is a baby picture where it is colored I believe.
Found it...
(https://miro.medium.com/max/544/1*0IAd6ERVLAFWWpRIVv14Ag.jpeg)
Regarding the mentioned time period...
... in the spring of 1955 the Oswalds moved to a new apartment at 126 Exchange Place in the French Quarter.271 Although Lee gave the Exchange Place address on a school form at the end of the ninth grade,272 the school authorities had apparently not been advised of these moves earlier, because Mrs. Oswald did not want Lee to be transferred from Beauregard, which she considered a good school.273 During the summer of 1955, Robert left the Marine Corps and spent a week with his mother and Lee in New Orleans before moving to Fort Worth; he found Lee unchanged.274
That fall, Lee entered the 10th grade at Warren Easton High School.275 He had been there for about a month when he presented to the school authorities a note written by himself to which he had signed his mother's name. It was dated October 7, 1955, and read:
To whom it may concern,
Becaus we are moving to San Diego in the middle of this month Lee must quit school now. Also, please send by him any papers such as his birth certificate that you may have. Thank you.
Sincirely Mrs. M. Oswald
Why would the school have Lee's birth certificate?
"Mrs M. Oswald"? ---Why sign his mother's name like that?
How would the principal [or whoever] accept that note and not suspect it was written by the student? "Sincirely"? "Becaus"?
But most puzzling of all....Why would this note still be in anyone's possession after nearly 8 years?
And guys...don't hijack the thread with unrelated stuff.
Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.
Someone claims to read my mind via internet..what a laugh :-\
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What does Richard Nagel have to do with Oswald's childhood?
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And guys...don't hijack the thread with unrelated stuff.
Someone claims to read my mind via internet..what a laugh :-\
Jerry, I read somewhere, in the last day, prompted in the course of putting together my posts on this thread, that John Armstrong concluded that Robert Oswald was "in on it".... complicit in the "two Marguerites" "two Lees" "OP".
I hope you can understand I presented an example of the gulf between my analysis of Nagell vs David Josephs', not to confuse or distract, but to try to bring some perspective to our differences. I am constrained by the facts, John Armstrong, Jim Hargrove, David Josephs, and to some degree, judging from this thread, you also have liberated yourselves from such constraints.
You founded you OP not on Mrs. Sawyer's rather specific recollection of Lee's age, nearly eight years before the end of November, 1963, when she described Lee as a teenager of 14 or 15 years of age.... you know what you presented, instead.....
Someone has to point out the absurdity of your forthcoming claims.
Which will include many misrepresentations and outright sophistry.
Travel to the EF, where you can join David Josephs and other "theorists" in a circle jerk of epic proportions.
Or, stay here, and we get free amusement.
Nagell was the only survivor, after the bomber reportedly flew into the ground at a rather high rate of speed.
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John, presenting "the divide" in the most favorable light, IOW, attempting to give every forum participant the benefit of the doubt, it seems some hold themselves to a looser standard of proof not necessarily to mislead, but to provoke thought. David Joseph is replying to my posted observation that Dick Russell revised his convictions about Richard Nagell's claims, because:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/NagellCardUnknownOriginCX.jpg)
David Josephs is replying to my analysis, don't go beyond Dick Russell's guidance.:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-14015-post-100820.html#pid100820
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David Josephs, replying at the deep politics link, above, said in essence, he would take the opposite approach I take. He would ignore author Dick Russell's revised disclaimer and proceed as if the provenance of the I.D. card was proven and was foundational to the entirey of Richard Nagell's claims. David Josephs does not seem concerned about misleading readers of his forum.posts or other presentations. How about you, Jerry, in your opening post of this thread?
Even though my research debunked the following, more than four years ago, Jim Hargrove posted this, today.:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26441-dieugenio-cranor-and-the-mole-my-mole-33120/page/6/?tab=comments#comment-417797
Jim Hargrove Posted 6 hours ago
The FBI Lied, and Lied, and Lied...
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This is just the tip of the iceberg. For example, to see how the FBI fabricated the "evidence" for the rifle that allegedly killed JFK, see this link:
Oswald Did NOT Purchase a Rifle from Kleins - https://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Guns.html
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-xbfr3w1/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/500/656/snake_oil__28966.1453580321.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
Okay! Let's see.....
https://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Guns.html
Oswald Did NOT Purchase a Rifle from Kleins
by John Armstrong
...All US Postal Money orders have unique serial numbers. In the fall of 1962, Oswald purchased numerous money orders from the same downtown post office and mailed them to Washington, DC in order to repay a loan from the government for his travel expenses incurred when he returned to the USA from Russia. These money orders were purchased in numerical sequence beginning in November, 1962. These serial numbers show that some 1200 money orders per week were purchased at the downtown post office in Dallas. At this rate we see that Oswald's alleged purchase of a money order on March 12, 1963 should have been numbered 2,202,011,935. But the serial number of the money order published in the Warren Volumes was more than 118,000 numbers higher. At the rate of 1200 money order per week, this money order should have been purchased in late 1964 or early 1965. In other words, this money order could easily have been pulled from a stack of fresh, unsold money orders by a postal official in Dallas, sometime after the assassination, and then given to the FBI. A close look at the details surrounding the "finding" of the money order the day after the assassination strongly suggests that this is what happened. ...
Versus reality I was fortunate enough to just happen to "conjure up" because I never want to believe BS!
From my 2015 research also contained in the full display, but not in the excerpt, below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22 Pages 4, 5
In the image below, there is an explanation of how Oswald allegedly came to buy the 60th postal
money order of the new serial number series of yellow-tinted, key-punched at the sales counter, postal money orders.:
Observe the date of the burn directive, near top of right (in the full image of the page) column, destroying the newly obsolete postal money orders John Armstrong claimed constituted a sinister serial numbering discrepancy, when in actuality the money order associated with Klein's was of a new serial numbering sequence!
https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://jfk.education/node/11
Sorry Brian, Jean, and DVP, Banks Did Not Key-Punch 1963 P.O. Money Orders
Submitted by Admin on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 06:47
Updated November 19, 2015:
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(http://jfkforum.com/images/OswaldRifleArmstrongVsFact.jpg)
Jerry, if you make extraordinary claims and you do not present extraordinarily strong supporting evidence, would you agree you should take care to be accurate? The indifference to accuracy of Jim Hargrove indicates he exhibits cult-like tendencies.
Jerry, I discovered that Edwin Ekdahl and the Air Force Col. Lawrence Orlov aka Orloff, who suggested to George DeM that they take a ride to make introductions to the Oswald couple, are about the same age and grew up less than a mile apart, in Roxbury, MA. Shoild I just declare that they were both part of this "two Oswald" OP? I would love to do that, but I believe in treating readers the same way I want to be treated. Do not blow smoke up my ......
https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://jfk.education/node/11
Sorry Brian, Jean, and DVP, Banks Did Not Key-Punch 1963 P.O. Money Orders
Submitted by Admin on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 06:47
Updated November 19, 2015:
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https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22
(https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221im_/http://jfk.education/images/SuspicionsVsFacts.jpg)
https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20342_19621227.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22 Page 2
(https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221im_/http://jfk.education/images/1963DallasPostalMoneyOrderSerialNumbersIofIII.jpg)
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Jerry, I read somewhere, in the last day, prompted in the course of putting together my posts on this thread, that John Armstrong concluded that Robert Oswald was "in on it".... complicit in the "two Marguerites" "two Lees" "OP".
I hope you can understand I presented an example of the gulf between my analysis of Nagell vs David Josephs', not to confuse or distract, but to try to bring some perspective to our differences. I am constrained by the facts, John Armstrong, Jim Hargrove, David Josephs, and to some degree, judging from this thread, you also have liberated yourselves from such constraints.
You founded you OP not on Mrs. Sawyer's rather specific recollection of Lee's age, nearly eight years before the end of November, 1963, when she described Lee as a teenager of 14 or 15 years of age.... you know what you presented, instead.....
Nagell was the only survivor, after the bomber reportedly flew into the ground at a rather high rate of speed.
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John, presenting "the divide" in the most favorable light, IOW, attempting to give every forum participant the benefit of the doubt, it seems some hold themselves to a looser standard of proof not necessarily to mislead, but to provoke thought. David Joseph is replying to my posted observation that Dick Russell revised his convictions about Richard Nagell's claims, because:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/NagellCardUnknownOriginCX.jpg)
David Josephs is replying to my analysis, don't go beyond Dick Russell's guidance.:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/thread-14015-post-100820.html#pid100820
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David Josephs, replying at the deep politics link, above, said in essence, he would take the opposite approach I take. He would ignore author Dick Russell's revised disclaimer and proceed as if the provenance of the I.D. card was proven and was foundational to the entirey of Richard Nagell's claims. David Josephs does not seem concerned about misleading readers of his forum.posts or other presentations. How about you, Jerry, in your opening post of this thread?
Even though my research debunked the following, more than four years ago, Jim Hargrove posted this, today.:
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-xbfr3w1/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/500/656/snake_oil__28966.1453580321.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
Okay! Let's see.....
Versus reality I was fortunate enough to just happen to "conjure up" because I never want to believe BS!
From my 2015 research also contained in the full display, but not in the excerpt, below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161020060221/http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22 Pages 4, 5
In the image below, there is an explanation of how Oswald allegedly came to buy the 60th postal
money order of the new serial number series of yellow-tinted, key-punched at the sales counter, postal money orders.:
Observe the date of the burn directive, near top of right (in the full image of the page) column, destroying the newly obsolete postal money orders John Armstrong claimed constituted a sinister serial numbering discrepancy, when in actuality the money order associated with Klein's was of a new serial numbering sequence!
Jerry, if you make extraordinary claims and you do not present extraordinarily strong supporting evidence, would you agree you should take care to be accurate? The indifference to accuracy of Jim Hargrove indicates he exhibits cult-like tendencies.
Jerry, I discovered that Edwin Ekdahl and the Air Force Col. Lawrence Orlov aka Orloff, who suggested to George DeM that they take a ride to make introductions to the Oswald couple, are about the same age and grew up less than a mile apart, in Roxbury, MA. Shoild I just declare that they were both part of this "two Oswald" OP? I would love to do that, but I believe in treating readers the same way I want to be treated. Do not blow smoke up my ......
This needs to go back to the top of the list, Duncan........bump !! Why does no one listen to this man's offerings? Assuage my confusion....
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Jerry, if you make extraordinary claims and you do not present extraordinarily strong supporting evidence, would you agree you should take care to be accurate? The indifference to accuracy of Jim Hargrove indicates he exhibits cult-like tendencies.
I have made no claims in this thread whatsoever.
I have presented testimony directly from the Warren Report/HSCA as I strive to do with all my posts. I ask questions concerning such.
Defenders of the official story fail to even try and answer these questions ...Why?----- because they willingly remain ignorant and only respond in this forum with ridicule and insults.
I am not willing to discuss views on the other forums.
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When did Oswald ever have blonde hair?
There is a baby picture where it is colored I believe.
Found it...
(https://miro.medium.com/max/544/1*0IAd6ERVLAFWWpRIVv14Ag.jpeg)
That kinda looks like a colorized black and white photo. But i could be wrong.
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That kinda looks like a colorized black and white photo. But i could be wrong.
You aren't. This coloring method was very common.
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You aren't. This coloring method was very common.
The blue looks very rich in comparison to the surrounding colors.