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Title: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: David Monaghan on February 08, 2020, 02:05:28 AM
Exhibit 150 was anything but light coloured, this was a dark brown rust coloured shirt Baker agreed was the same one he saw him wearing later at the police station, surely from a distance this shirt would have looked even darker to Brennan no?

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what kind of clothes he was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. Light coloured clothes, more of a khaki colour.

Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; all I can remember it was in my recollection of it it was a light brown jacket.
Mr. BELIN - Are you referring to this Exhibit 150 as being similar to the jacket or similar to the shirt that you saw or, if not, similar to either one?
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2020, 02:21:53 AM
Exhibit 150 was anything but light coloured, this was a dark brown rust coloured shirt Baker agreed was the same one he saw him wearing later at the police station, surely from a distance this shirt would have looked even darker to Brennan no?

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what kind of clothes he was wearing?
Mr. BRENNAN. Light coloured clothes, more of a khaki colour.

Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; all I can remember it was in my recollection of it it was a light brown jacket.
Mr. BELIN - Are you referring to this Exhibit 150 as being similar to the jacket or similar to the shirt that you saw or, if not, similar to either one?

Baker agreed was the same one he saw him wearing later at the police station,

The shirt that Lee was wearing at the police station on the afternoon of 11/22 /63 was NOT the shirt that he was wearing at the TSBD that morning. Lee went to the rooming house and changed his clothes at 1:00pm that afternoon before going to the theater.
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 08, 2020, 02:39:23 AM
See... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,771.msg16387.html#msg16387
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    Mr. BALL. How was Lee dressed that morning?
    Mrs. RANDLE. He had on a white T-shirt, I just saw him from the waist up, I didn't pay any attention to his pants or anything, when he was going with the package. I was more interested in that. But he had on a white T-shirt and I remember some sort of brown or tan shirt and he had a gray jacket, I believe.
    Mr. BALL. A gray jacket. I will show you some clothing here. First, I will show you a gray jacket. Does this look anything like the jacket he had on?
    Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. That morning?
    Mrs. RANDLE. Similar to that. I didn't pay an awful lot of attention to it.
    Mr. BALL. Was it similar in color?
    Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; I think so. It had big sleeves.
    Mr. BALL. Take a look at these sleeves. Was it similar in color?
    Mrs. RANDLE. I believe so.
    Mr. BALL. What is the Commission Exhibit on this jacket?
    Mrs. RANDLE. It was gray, I am not sure of the shade.
As a side note---Why would Oswald need to go to his rooming house to get and put on a jacket that he had already worn to work that morning?........... Mrs Roberts testified that he was zipping his jacket up as he was leaving the house... it was probably the same one he wore to work [seen by Randle]
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: David Monaghan on February 08, 2020, 05:47:36 AM
Baker agreed was the same one he saw him wearing later at the police station,

The shirt that Lee was wearing at the police station on the afternoon of 11/22 /63 was NOT the shirt that he was wearing at the TSBD that morning. Lee went to the rooming house and changed his clothes at 1:00pm that afternoon before going to the theater.
Not convinced Walter, I don't believe he changed shirts/ clothes, the clothes he was arrested in was screaming out work clothes, why change? The rust coloured shirt was well worn and old looking.
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Gary Craig on February 08, 2020, 06:07:53 AM
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else about his clothes that you can remember or his dress that you haven't talked about here?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir; I can't.
Mr. DULLES - Do you recall whether or not he was wearing the same clothes, did he appear to you the same when you saw him in the police station as when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. BAKER - Actually just looking at him, he looked like he didn't have the same thing on.
Mr. BELIN - He looked as though he did not have the same thing on?
Mr. BAKER - He looked like he did not have the same on.


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Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Jerry Freeman on February 08, 2020, 06:19:50 AM
Did we see what I wrote about the jacket? Oswald comes home..takes off the jacket in his room, changes shirts...leaves after putting the jacket back on and zipping it up. What really happened to the jacket? I don't have a clue. He could have removed it at the theater.
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: David Monaghan on February 08, 2020, 07:25:15 AM
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else about his clothes that you can remember or his dress that you haven't talked about here?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir; I can't.
Mr. DULLES - Do you recall whether or not he was wearing the same clothes, did he appear to you the same when you saw him in the police station as when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. BAKER - Actually just looking at him, he looked like he didn't have the same thing on.
Mr. BELIN - He looked as though he did not have the same thing on?
Mr. BAKER - He looked like he did not have the same on.


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Mr. BELIN - Handing you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 150, would this appear to be anything that you have ever seen before?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I believe that is the shirt that he had on when he came. I wouldn't be sure of that. It seemed to me like that other shirt was a little bit darker than that whenever I saw him in the homicide office there.
Mr. BELIN - What about when you saw him in the School Book Depository Building, does this look familiar as anything he was wearing, if you know?
Mr. BAKER - I couldn't say whether that was--it seemed to me it was a light-colored brown but I couldn't say it was that or not.
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Martin Weidmann on February 08, 2020, 04:58:11 PM
Not convinced Walter, I don't believe he changed shirts/ clothes, the clothes he was arrested in was screaming out work clothes, why change? The rust coloured shirt was well worn and old looking.

why change?

Because he had worn the shirt all morning while working in a dusty warehouse, maybe....


Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Martin Weidmann on February 08, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
See... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,771.msg16387.html#msg16387As a side note---Why would Oswald need to go to his rooming house to get and put on a jacket that he had already worn to work that morning?........... Mrs Roberts testified that he was zipping his jacket up as he was leaving the house... it was probably the same one he wore to work [seen by Randle]

it was probably the same one he wore to work

If that's true, how do you explain the fact that they found his other jacket at the TSBD and the witness statements from people who (allegedly) saw him en route to the rooming house without a jacket?
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Martin Weidmann on February 08, 2020, 05:15:01 PM
Did we see what I wrote about the jacket? Oswald comes home..takes off the jacket in his room, changes shirts...leaves after putting the jacket back on and zipping it up. What really happened to the jacket? I don't have a clue. He could have removed it at the theater.

Roberts said she did not see him wearing a jacket as he came in;

Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 08, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Roberts said she did not see him wearing a jacket as he came in;

Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.

Yes, and if Lee was seen by Mrs Bledsoe on Mc Watter's bus....then he was wearing a shirt with a hole in the elbow.....
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Jerry Organ on February 08, 2020, 06:43:03 PM
Yes, and if Lee was seen by Mrs Bledsoe on Mc Watter's bus....then he was wearing a shirt with a hole in the elbow.....

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Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 08, 2020, 07:27:58 PM
Who told CT brainiacs that the little prick had a jacket on when he came home? Who told CT brainiacs that their mancrush took a jacket off and changed shirts? Ms Roberts said he rushed by her (in shirt sleeves, reportedly) into his room for a few minutes and emerged, at speed I might add, zipping up a jacket. Now why would he zip up a jacket on a mild day, if not to conceal a pistol ('It's what boys do') at his waist?

Buell said Oswald wore a bulky-sleeved jacket to work. The same jacket was left behind. CTer biggest nightmare, Johnny Brewer, did not see any jacket on the little pipsqueak in the window.

At the poor-dumb-cop Tippit murder scene, witnesses said Oswald had a jacket on. A jacket was found under a car in the parking lot of a garage which Oswald passed through shortly after having tried to fire warning shots at Tippit, but missed. Same deal at Dealey where he was supposed to be seen shooting from behind the limo, in order to make him look like he had magic bullets so future conspiracy theorists could claim Kennedy was shot from the front.
Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Martin Weidmann on February 08, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
Who told CT brainiacs that the little prick had a jacket on when he came home? Who told CT brainiacs that their mancrush took a jacket off and changed shirts? Ms Roberts said he rushed by her (in shirt sleeves, reportedly) into his room for a few minutes and emerged, at speed I might add, zipping up a jacket. Now why would he zip up a jacket on a mild day, if not to conceal a pistol ('It's what boys do') at his waist?

Buell said Oswald wore a bulky-sleeved jacket to work. The same jacket was left behind. CTer biggest nightmare, Johnny Brewer, did not see any jacket on the little pipsqueak in the window.

At the poor-dumb-cop Tippit murder scene, witnesses said Oswald had a jacket on. A jacket was found under a car in the parking lot of a garage which Oswald passed through shortly after having tried to fire warning shots at Tippit, but missed. Same deal at Dealey where he was supposed to be seen shooting from behind the limo, in order to make him look like he had magic bullets so future conspiracy theorists could claim Kennedy was shot from the front.

Buell said Oswald wore a bulky-sleeved jacket to work. The same jacket was left behind.

Buell also testified that Lee wore a grey jacket to Irving the day before. Considering he only had two jackets how do you figure the jacket he wore to Irving on Thursday evening ended up at the roominghouse on Friday at 1 pm for him to put it on there? Well, genius.... show us your magic and explain, please!

At the poor-dumb-cop Tippit murder scene, witnesses said Oswald had a jacket on. A jacket was found under a car in the parking lot of a garage which Oswald passed through

This is the paper bag story all over again..... Frazier saw Oswald carry a bag (never mind the description didn't match) and they found a bag (made from TSBD materials) at .... wait for it; the TSBD, so 1 + 1 = 5... the bag found on the 6th floor was the one Frazier saw Oswald carry.

The same thing here; witnesses said Tippit's killer had a jacket on (never mind Roberts was nearly blind and not paying much attention, and never mind that Frazier's testimony placed the grey jacket in Irving the day before) and they found a white jacket under a car that two hours later turned up as a grey jacket at the police station, so it must be Oswald's jacket because witnesses say they saw some guy looking like him in the parking lot.....

Now that's some powerful evidence you've got there, chappy!

Title: Re: Brennan V Baker description
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 10, 2020, 01:40:47 AM
Buell said Oswald wore a bulky-sleeved jacket to work. The same jacket was left behind.

Buell also testified that Lee wore a grey jacket to Irving the day before. Considering he only had two jackets he do you figure the jacket he wore to Irving on Thursday evening ended up at the roominghouse on Friday at 1 pm for him to put it on there? Well, genius.... show us your magic and explain, please!

At the poor-dumb-cop Tippit murder scene, witnesses said Oswald had a jacket on. A jacket was found under a car in the parking lot of a garage which Oswald passed through

This is the paper bag story all over again..... Frazier saw Oswald carry a bag (never mind the description didn't match) and they found a bag (made from TSBD materials) at .... wait for it; the TSBD, so 1 + 1 = 5... the bag found on the 6th floor was the one Frazier saw Oswald carry.

The same thing here; witnesses said Tippit's killer had a jacket on (never mind Roberts was nearly blind and not paying much attention, and never mind that Frazier's testimony placed the grey jacket in Irving the day before) and they found a white jacket under a car that two hours later turned up as a grey jacket at the police station, so it must be Oswald's jacket because witnesses say they saw some guy looking like him in the parking lot.....

Now that's some powerful evidence you've got there, chappy!

Thanks ever-so-much for your always-useful input.