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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Mytton on January 06, 2018, 11:27:41 PM
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Timing
Multiple shots spaced over many seconds is typical of a bolt action rifle.
Accuracy
Yeah sure a triangulation of snipers are going to continually miss their target which was moving relatively slowly down Elm Street, as if! Whereas Oswald who was a little rusty missed his first shot and realistically his second shot can also be classified as a miss because JFK's head must have been the target and then the last shot was too high and almost missed, some professional.
Wounds
Kennedy's neck wound was a straight through and through injury a classic FMJ wound whereas a sniper's bullet would have caused a terrible wound and most probably would have killed Kennedy immediately but Oswald who only had a military weapon left two neat holes. Also the theory that Kennedy's back of neck bullet only went in an inch is not supported by the Xrays and beyond that the physics of a slowed bullet only entering an inch, yet not falling short is illogical.
JohnM
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Timing
Multiple shots spaced over many seconds is typical of a bolt action rifle.
Accuracy
Yeah sure a triangulation of snipers are going to continually miss their target which was moving relatively slowly down Elm Street, as if! Whereas Oswald who was a little rusty missed his first shot and realistically his second shot can also be classified as a miss because JFK's head must have been the target and then the last shot was too high and almost missed, some professional.
Wounds
Kennedy's neck wound was a straight through and through injury a classic FMJ wound whereas a sniper's bullet would have caused a terrible wound and most probably would have killed Kennedy immediately but Oswald who only had a military weapon left two neat holes. Also the theory that Kennedy's back of neck bullet only went in an inch is not supported by the Xrays and beyond that the physics of a slowed bullet only entering an inch, yet not falling short is illogical.
JohnM
John,
I agree with your theory ... but not your new avatar.
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John,
I agree with your theory ... but not your new avatar.
I agree with your theory
Yep, a professional sniper would need one shot. But clumsy Oswald needed three.
... but not your new avatar
Ahhh well, at least your avatar is smokin'!
JohnM
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Timing
Multiple shots spaced over many seconds is typical of a bolt action rifle.
Accuracy
Yeah sure a triangulation of snipers are going to continually miss their target which was moving relatively slowly down Elm Street, as if! Whereas Oswald who was a little rusty missed his first shot and realistically his second shot can also be classified as a miss because JFK's head must have been the target and then the last shot was too high and almost missed, some professional.
Wounds
Kennedy's neck wound was a straight through and through injury a classic FMJ wound whereas a sniper's bullet would have caused a terrible wound and most probably would have killed Kennedy immediately but Oswald who only had a military weapon left two neat holes. Also the theory that Kennedy's back of neck bullet only went in an inch is not supported by the Xrays and beyond that the physics of a slowed bullet only entering an inch, yet not falling short is illogical.
JohnM
I agree with your post.
Oswald most likely was aiming at the head the whole time. He was trying to kill, not wound. At more than 200 yards, with the entire torso visible as well as the head, I can see him electing a center torso shot. But not for shots under 100 yards.
In addition, with the angular speeds of about:
1st shot: z153 3.70 degrees per second miss by 60+ inches
2nd shot: z222 1.80 degrees per second miss by 8 inches
3rd shot: z312 0.55 degrees per second miss by 2 inches
It makes sense Oswald would get more accurate with each shot. The shots were all under 100 yards and with the angular speed of the target continuously dropping as the limousine got further down Elm Street, we should expect the shots to get more accurate.
All and all, I think this match one what one might expect of a shooter who was:
** several years past his Marine training (I would guess not such a big deal for
shots under 100 yards shots)
** Not real familiar with his rifle (a possible problem, but he did get in 15, 35, 55, etc. practice shots)
** Several months away from practicing shots with that rifle
** Not trained at hitting moving targets, so perhaps not aware he should wait until the
limousine is further down the street before trying the first shot.
But on the other hand:
** Received Marine training, using iron sights, at targets 200, 300 and 500 yards away.
I find the shooting by Oswald pretty plausible.
Certainly, I would expect a conspiracy to employ shooters who would hit with the first shot. Miss with other shots if they liked, just to make it look like Oswald. But don?t miss with the first and risk Kennedy ducking down or Jackie pulling him down.
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But don?t miss with the first and risk Kennedy ducking down or Jackie pulling him down.
Yes this, the shots were taken over an 8 second timespan because it took Oswald that amount of time to repeatedly aim reload and fire, whereas an organised hit would be all over in a second.
JohnM
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I agree with your post.
Oswald most likely was aiming at the head the whole time. He was trying to kill, not wound. At more than 200 yards, with the entire torso visible as well as the head, I can see him electing a center torso shot. But not for shots under 100 yards.
In addition, with the angular speeds of about:
1st shot: z153 3.70 degrees per second miss by 60+ inches
2nd shot: z222 1.80 degrees per second miss by 8 inches
3rd shot: z312 0.55 degrees per second miss by 2 inches
It makes sense Oswald would get more accurate with each shot. The shots were all under 100 yards and with the angular speed of the target continuously dropping as the limousine got further down Elm Street, we should expect the shots to get more accurate.
All and all, I think this match one what one might expect of a shooter who was:
** several years past his Marine training (I would guess not such a big deal for
shots under 100 yards shots)
** Not real familiar with his rifle (a possible problem, but he did get in 15, 35, 55, etc. practice shots)
** Several months away from practicing shots with that rifle
** Not trained at hitting moving targets, so perhaps not aware he should wait until the
limousine is further down the street before trying the first shot.
But on the other hand:
** Received Marine training, using iron sights, at targets 200, 300 and 500 yards away.
I find the shooting by Oswald pretty plausible.
Certainly, I would expect a conspiracy to employ shooters who would hit with the first shot. Miss with other shots if they liked, just to make it look like Oswald. But don?t miss with the first and risk Kennedy ducking down or Jackie pulling him down.
The last sentence in the final paragraph is logical.
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BANG!!...................................................................................BANG!!! BANG!!!!............
Bolt action rifle, my foot.
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
Are YOU part of the coverup?
Can you refer to an audio recording that supports your shot-spacing theory?
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"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
Are YOU part of the coverup?
Can you refer to an audio recording that discredits it?
I don't need to refer to an audio recording: because there is none as you well know.
Considering you made a comment inferring a short space between the 2nd and 3rd shots and a longer space between the 1st and 2nd shots: what are your specific time points.
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Most witnesses said the 2nd and 3rd shots were simultaneous; one right on top of the other.
You figure it out.
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
Are YOU part of the coverup?
Most witnesses said?
So you accept the estimates of these witnesses as absolutely accurate?
Do you accept the testimony of "all" witnesses (Warren Commission & HSCA) as absolutely accurate?
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Timing
Multiple shots spaced over many seconds is typical of a bolt action rifle.
Accuracy
Yeah sure a triangulation of snipers are going to continually miss their target which was moving relatively slowly down Elm Street, as if! Whereas Oswald who was a little rusty missed his first shot and realistically his second shot can also be classified as a miss because JFK's head must have been the target and then the last shot was too high and almost missed, some professional.
Wounds
Kennedy's neck wound was a straight through and through injury a classic FMJ wound whereas a sniper's bullet would have caused a terrible wound and most probably would have killed Kennedy immediately but Oswald who only had a military weapon left two neat holes. Also the theory that Kennedy's back of neck bullet only went in an inch is not supported by the Xrays and beyond that the physics of a slowed bullet only entering an inch, yet not falling short is illogical.
JohnM
Multiple shots spaced over many seconds is typical of a bolt action rifle.
This is true ....but that is NOT what virtually all of the ear witnesses reported they heard. Nobody reported hearing evenly spaced shots ..... the vast majority reported that the sounds of the shots were NOT the shots that would be expected from a bolt action rifle.
The shots were reported to have been a single distinctive Boom and then a space of a few seconds and then two sharp bangs that were so close together that they sounded nearly like a single shot.
The sounds were Boom...........................Bang ..Bang,
A bolt action rifle cannot be fired so rapidly that the reports sound one on top of the other.....
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Do you accept the testimony of Howard Brennan as absolutely accurate?
When a large number of witnesses all report the same thing, the odds of them all being identically mistaken go down drastically.
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
Are you part of the coverup?
"When a large number of witnesses all report the same thing, the odds of them all being identically mistaken go down drastically."
Not merely a "large number."..... The vast majority of the witnesses reported that the last two shots were nearly simultaneous...... That's impossible with a bolt action rifle....
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The things they have to ignore to be a True Believer.
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."
Hi Bob.....I thought that you would have had a little fun with Mr Mytton's referring to the rifle as a Full Metal Jacket rifle.
"Oswald with his FMJ bolt action rifle"...John Mytton....
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I have a question that I?ve wondered about, which may take a psychologist to answer.
Didn?t most everyone testify they first heard 1) firecracker/tire blow out/backfire 2) gunshot 3) gunshot so that all the testimonies that subsequently said shot, shot, shot have technically been testimonies that have been changed? What made them all change their testimony? How is a human?s perception of sound vs time-sequencing influenced by first hearing a sound that is internally judged inconsequential (fire cracker etc.) and is just dismissed, but later the individual has a rapid change in awareness/alertness as they realized a shooting was happening after hearing/realizing two gun shots occurred shortly thereafter?
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I have a question that I?ve wondered about, which may take a psychologist to answer.
Didn?t most everyone testify they first heard 1) firecracker/tire blow out/backfire 2) gunshot 3) gunshot so that all the testimonies that subsequently said shot, shot, shot have technically been testimonies that have been changed? What made them all change their testimony? How is a human?s perception of sound vs time-sequencing influenced by first hearing a sound that is internally judged inconsequential (fire cracker etc.) and is just dismissed, but later the individual has a rapid change in awareness/alertness as they realized a shooting was happening after hearing/realizing two gun shots occurred shortly thereafter?
IMO...The first BOOM that was heard was a firecracker...it was a signal to he killers to open fire.....because the signaler with the firecracker had received the thumbs up from the man who would have the power to could cover it all up..... once That SOB Kennedy was dead.
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Timing
Multiple shots spaced over many seconds is typical of a bolt action rifle.
Accuracy
Yeah sure a triangulation of snipers are going to continually miss their target which was moving relatively slowly down Elm Street, as if! Whereas Oswald who was a little rusty missed his first shot and realistically his second shot can also be classified as a miss because JFK's head must have been the target and then the last shot was too high and almost missed, some professional.
Wounds
Kennedy's neck wound was a straight through and through injury a classic FMJ wound whereas a sniper's bullet would have caused a terrible wound and most probably would have killed Kennedy immediately but Oswald who only had a military weapon left two neat holes. Also the theory that Kennedy's back of neck bullet only went in an inch is not supported by the Xrays and beyond that the physics of a slowed bullet only entering an inch, yet not falling short is illogical.
JohnM
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe............Oh please stop my ribs hurt!!!
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Oswald most likely was aiming at the head the whole time. He was trying to kill, not wound.
Calling wild-ass speculation "most likely" doesn't actually make it anything other than wild-ass speculation.
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Could the head shot have been carefully aimed?
There's always luck to consider...
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LBJ and Russell September 9,1964:
RUSSELL: No, no, They're trying to prove that the same bullett that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone and into his leg... I couldn't hear all the evidence and cross-examine all of 'em. But I did read the record...I was the only fellow there that...suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up. This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.
LBJ: Well, what difference does it make which bullet got Connally?
RUSSELL: Well, it don't make much difference. But they said that...the commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well I don't believe it.
LBJ: I don't either
RUSSELL: And so I couldn't sign it. And I said that Govenor Connally testified directly to the contrary and I'm not gonna approve of that. So I finnally made 'em say there was a difference in the commission,in that part of 'em believed that that wasn't so. And 'course if a fellow was accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off in the next one-and he's leaning up against his wife's head-and not even wound her-why, he didn't miss completely with that third shot. But according to their theory, he not only missed the whole automobile, but he missed the the street! Well, a man that's a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn't miss that whole automobile.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=4271&relPageId=27
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Calling wild-ass speculation "most likely" doesn't actually make it anything other than wild-ass speculation.
Considering that the head shot was the last shot leads to only one logical conclusion, that whoever was shooting had finally accomplished his mission.
JohnM
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LBJ and Russell September 9,1964:
RUSSELL: No, no, They're trying to prove that the same bullett that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone and into his leg... I couldn't hear all the evidence and cross-examine all of 'em. But I did read the record...I was the only fellow there that...suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up. This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.
LBJ: Well, what difference does it make which bullet got Connally?
RUSSELL: Well, it don't make much difference. But they said that...the commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well I don't believe it.
LBJ: I don't either
RUSSELL: And so I couldn't sign it. And I said that Govenor Connally testified directly to the contrary and I'm not gonna approve of that. So I finnally made 'em say there was a difference in the commission,in that part of 'em believed that that wasn't so. And 'course if a fellow was accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off in the next one-and he's leaning up against his wife's head-and not even wound her-why, he didn't miss completely with that third shot. But according to their theory, he not only missed the whole automobile, but he missed the the street! Well, a man that's a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn't miss that whole automobile.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=4271&relPageId=27
*It is perhaps worth noting that out of the seven Commission members, the three who had problems with the single-bullet theory were among the least faithful in attending Commission hearings during which testimony was given, two of them the worst. Cooper missed 44 out of the 94 hearings, the fourth worst attendance record; Boggs missed 74 hearings, the second worst. Living up to Benjamin Franklin?s adage that an empty drum sounds the loudest, Russell, who should have been the quietest, was the loudest dissenter. Shockingly irresponsible, Russell only attended 6 out of the 94 hearings, having more important things to do at the time, namely, being the leader in the Senate of the South?s opposition to the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In fairness to Russell, he did write a letter to Johnson on February 24, 1964, saying that because of his ?legislative duties,? he did not have enough time to serve on the Commission, but Warren ignored the letter, and Russell continued to serve. (Fite, Richard B. Russell, pp. 406, 416, 421) Chief Justice Warren, who was busier and had more responsibilities outside the Commission than anyone else on the Commission, had the best attendance record, commendably attending all or a portion of all 94 hearings. Representative Gerald Ford had the next best attendance record, showing up at 70 of the 94 hearings. Dulles attended 60, and McCloy 35
RHVB[/b]
JohnM
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*It is perhaps worth noting that out of the seven Commission members, the three who had problems with the single-bullet theory were among the least faithful in attending Commission hearings during which testimony was given, two of them the worst. Cooper missed 44 out of the 94 hearings, the fourth worst attendance record; Boggs missed 74 hearings, the second worst. Living up to Benjamin Franklin?s adage that an empty drum sounds the loudest, Russell, who should have been the quietest, was the loudest dissenter. Shockingly irresponsible, Russell only attended 6 out of the 94 hearings, having more important things to do at the time, namely, being the leader in the Senate of the South?s opposition to the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In fairness to Russell, he did write a letter to Johnson on February 24, 1964, saying that because of his ?legislative duties,? he did not have enough time to serve on the Commission, but Warren ignored the letter, and Russell continued to serve. (Fite, Richard B. Russell, pp. 406, 416, 421) Chief Justice Warren, who was busier and had more responsibilities outside the Commission than anyone else on the Commission, had the best attendance record, commendably attending all or a portion of all 94 hearings. Representative Gerald Ford had the next best attendance record, showing up at 70 of the 94 hearings. Dulles attended 60, and McCloy 35
RHVB[/b]
JohnM
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RUSSELL: No, no, They're trying to prove that the same bullett that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone and into his leg... I couldn't hear all the evidence and cross-examine all of 'em. But I did read the record...I was the only fellow there that...suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up. This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.
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RUSSELL: No, no, They're trying to prove that the same bullett that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connally, went through him and through his hand, his bone and into his leg... I couldn't hear all the evidence and cross-examine all of 'em. But I did read the record...I was the only fellow there that...suggested any change whatever in what the staff got up. This staff business always scares me. I like to put my own views down. But we got you a pretty good report.
Russell was talking to his Boss, so of course after Russell admitted he had an extremely poor attendance record he was going to say he read the record! But seriously this is like a Uni student thinking that he can get a pass by just reading the record and thinks that he knows it all but it's a lot harder than that, having situations explained, questions answered and comprehending difficult concepts is a lot easier to learn in a practical setting compared to figuratively cramming unseen concepts the night before.
JohnM
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Hi Bob.....I thought that you would have had a little fun with Mr Mytton's referring to the rifle as a Full Metal Jacket rifle.
"Oswald with his FMJ bolt action rifle"...John Mytton....
I never even saw that! LOL! He says so many stupid things, I have a tendency to gloss over his ramblings and rantings at times.
I wonder what an FMJ bolt action rifle looks like.
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Russell was talking to his Boss, so of course after Russell admitted he had an extremely poor attendance record he was going to say he read the record! But seriously this is like a Uni student thinking that he can get a pass by just reading the record and thinks that he knows it all but it's a lot harder than that, having situations explained, questions answered and comprehending difficult concepts is a lot easier to learn in a practical setting compared to figuratively cramming unseen concepts the night before.
JohnM
You're comparing a university student to Russell? Geez you're thick.
"having situations explained, questions answered and comprehending difficult concepts is a lot easier to learn"
You don't think Russell's congressional staff or the paid legal and secretarial staff of the WC
could have answered any questions he had?
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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1068#relPageId=40
Whitewash: The Report on the Warren Report
Current Section: Chapter 4. The Marksman
~snip~
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/marksman.png)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/marksman1.png)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/marksman2.png)
~snip~
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Russell was talking to his Boss, so of course after Russell admitted he had an extremely poor attendance record he was going to say he read the record!
Which goes to show that LNers revert to the "he was lying" argument just as much as CTers.
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IMO...The first BOOM that was heard was a firecracker...it was a signal to he killers to open fire.....because the signaler with the firecracker had received the thumbs up from the man who would have the power to could cover it all up..... once That SOB Kennedy was dead.
IMO
Yep.
The first BOOM that was heard was a firecracker...it was a signal to he killers to open fire....
Huh?, didn't you say that Umbrella Man was supposed to be the signal?
JohnM
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The Umbrella Man just being there to link Kennedy's "appeasement" with Moscow to his father's admiration for Germany though an object symbolic of Chamberlain, in the run-up to a Presidential election in which Kennedy's opponent was likely to be a right-winger loon encouring Trump Chumps and at a time when the bestselling book was the anti-Kennedy "JFK: Man or Myth" ...
... and said Umbrella protester lived in arch-right-wing Dallas ...
... just made no sense.
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I agree with your post.
Oswald most likely was aiming at the head the whole time. He was trying to kill, not wound. At more than 200 yards, with the entire torso visible as well as the head, I can see him electing a center torso shot. But not for shots under 100 yards.
In addition, with the angular speeds of about:
1st shot: z153 3.70 degrees per second miss by 60+ inches
2nd shot: z222 1.80 degrees per second miss by 8 inches
3rd shot: z312 0.55 degrees per second miss by 2 inches
It makes sense Oswald would get more accurate with each shot. The shots were all under 100 yards and with the angular speed of the target continuously dropping as the limousine got further down Elm Street, we should expect the shots to get more accurate.
All and all, I think this match one what one might expect of a shooter who was:
** several years past his Marine training (I would guess not such a big deal for
shots under 100 yards shots)
** Not real familiar with his rifle (a possible problem, but he did get in 15, 35, 55, etc. practice shots)
** Several months away from practicing shots with that rifle
** Not trained at hitting moving targets, so perhaps not aware he should wait until the
limousine is further down the street before trying the first shot.
But on the other hand:
** Received Marine training, using iron sights, at targets 200, 300 and 500 yards away.
I find the shooting by Oswald pretty plausible.
Certainly, I would expect a conspiracy to employ shooters who would hit with the first shot. Miss with other shots if they liked, just to make it look like Oswald. But don?t miss with the first and risk Kennedy ducking down or Jackie pulling him down.
The last sentence in the final paragraph is logical.
Thanks. I?ll try working on the rest of the post.
😊
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Considering that the head shot was the last shot leads to only one logical conclusion, that whoever was shooting had finally accomplished his mission.
Well there you have it ..."whoever"-- Got their signal from TUM...Here he comes-get ready to fire.
(https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/images/GoD22.gif)
People running up the knoll after that shot....
(https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/193.jpg)
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Harold Norman, the closest ear witness right underneath the SE 6th floor SN, heard the 3 shots fired in approximately 4 seconds or less if you measure his several recorded video interviews.
also Norman stated he heard the 1st shot fired, saw JFK "slump' and only AFTER that, did Norman hear 2 more shots fired. So that 1st shot that Nnorman heard, must be 223, because any earlier, JFK has NOT slumped yet.
so 3 shots in 4.8 seconds, of which the SECOND shot must have missed around Z frame 290, followed in about 1 sec by Z 313 head shot.
This rules out a MC rifle firing all 3 shots. Its possible to have fired 2 shots spread apart by 3 seconds but surely improbable to have fired a 3rd shot 1 second after the missed 2nd shot.
This compares well also with James Tague, who thought it was the 2nd or 3rd shot that struck the curb near his position at the tunnel of the Triple overpass, or a fragment of such shot, that may have caused a superficial cut wound on his face.
Lee Bowers, the tower operator behind the stockade GK fence, who saw something like a flash of light that caught his eye, replicated his memory of the shots as spaced also within 3 or 4 seconds just like Harold Norman. Bowers raps his hand on the desk in about 1 sec spacing between 2nd and 3rd shot.
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one other thing about Harold Normans ear witnessing is that from about 12:25 until time of first shot fired about 12:30, Norman heard NO NOISE above him, such as any boxes being pushed or a box being placed on the windowledge, or any movement of the shooter above him, including most significantly NO WORKING OF THE BOLT in preparation. So this SE window 6th floor shooter did not get any advantage like the CBS trial shooters had, to be able to prep work the bolt of the rifle to loosen it up, right up to a few seconds before beginning to fire.
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Harold Norman, the closest ear witness right underneath the SE 6th floor SN, heard the 3 shots fired in approximately 4 seconds or less if you measure his several recorded video interviews.
also Norman stated he heard the 1st shot fired, saw JFK "slump' and only AFTER that, did Norman hear 2 more shots fired. So that 1st shot that Nnorman heard, must be 223, because any earlier, JFK has NOT slumped yet.
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/_/rsrc/1373308319398/misc/mason/slumpwitnesses/Z172ff-slump.png)
Movement here Norman might have taken for a "slump".
so 3 shots in 4.8 seconds, of which the SECOND shot must have missed around Z frame 290, followed in about 1 sec by Z 313 head shot.
We've gone through the Z190-"miss" shot a lot with Mason. Seems a lot of confirmation bias behind it.
This rules out a MC rifle firing all 3 shots. Its possible to have fired 2 shots spread apart by 3 seconds but surely improbable to have fired a 3rd shot 1 second after the missed 2nd shot.
This compares well also with James Tague, who thought it was the 2nd or 3rd shot that struck the curb near his position at the tunnel of the Triple overpass, or a fragment of such shot, that may have caused a superficial cut wound on his face.
Lee Bowers, the tower operator behind the stockade GK fence, who saw something like a flash of light that caught his eye,
The flash of light sounds like Sitzman's observation of a bottle being broken behind the retaining wall.
replicated his memory of the shots as spaced also within 3 or 4 seconds just like Harold Norman. Bowers raps his hand on the desk in about 1 sec spacing between 2nd and 3rd shot.
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one other thing about Harold Normans ear witnessing is that from about 12:25 until time of first shot fired about 12:30, Norman heard NO NOISE above him, such as any boxes being pushed or a box being placed on the windowledge, or any movement of the shooter above him, including most significantly NO WORKING OF THE BOLT in preparation.
But Norman didn't go "click-click-boom-click-click-boom-click-click-boom-click-click".
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Inattentional deafness...
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But Norman didn't go "click-click-boom-click-click-boom-click-click-boom-click-click".
By all alleged [I say alleged there] rights should it not have been.... boom click plunk click...boom click plunk click...boom click plunk click ? :-\
That is three shots and three shells ejected. Why not fire that next round [to make sure]? I mean [supposedly] the rifleman was engaged in super rapid fire. Why not squeeze the trigger and go for the left ear using the a fore mentioned timing and accuracy? ::)
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(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=191;type=avatar)
The image above is supposed to prove what....? That it was fired from the 6th floor rifle? It may have been and so what?
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By all alleged [I say alleged there] rights should it not have been.... boom click plunk click...boom click plunk click...boom click plunk click ? :-\
That is three shots and three shells ejected. Why not fire that next round [to make sure]? I mean [supposedly] the rifleman was engaged in super rapid fire. Why not squeeze the trigger and go for the left ear using the a fore mentioned timing and accuracy? ::)
He had to save a bullet in case somebody confronted him on the way to the stairs. That's why he didn't shoot Bonnie Ray -- not enough bullets. :D
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But Norman didn't go "click-click-boom-click-click-boom-click-click-boom-click-click".
Thats right, John. Harold Norman heard NO clak clak boom or any other noise right over his head on the 6th floor SN from 12:25 until 12:30 approximately when shots were fired, of which he replicated those in every one of his video interviews with the boom, clak clak, repeated 3 times and if you time that, he completes the sequence in about 4 seconds or less.
Certainly NOT anywhere NEAR to the 8.3 sec spacing as proposed by my LN friends such as above who suggest the 1st shot fired at 160 or Z170 because of Jackie turning her head rapidly and JFK waving turning his head also.
IMO, Harold Norman did not misnterpret that waving the hand as "slumping" I think he actually means the REAL slump that occurs just after JFK is struck about Z223.
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(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=191;type=avatar)
The image above is supposed to prove what....? That it was fired from the 6th floor rifle? It may have been and so what?
I wondered what that image was. I should have been tipped off with the "Pristine my butt" sig line.
Pristine means "intact", which CE399 was to within 99%. That leaves 1% left behind in the gun barrel and not in JFK's T1 vertebrae and Connally's rib and wrist bones. Otherwise, show me a FMJ bullet that caused the same damage, lost no material and was only slightly flattened.
On a similar vein, why did CE399 travel thru 2 people, smashing thru bones and causing at least 7 wounds come out pristine, while the next FMJ bullet exploded in JFK's head? And don't give me any "Jet Effect" BS.
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(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=191;type=avatar)
The image above is supposed to prove what....? That it was fired from the 6th floor rifle? It may have been and so what?
Re: 'Pristine, my butt'
Thanks so much for your always-useful input
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Re: 'Pristine, my butt'
Thanks so much for your always-useful input
Nobody cares how pristine your butt is, Chapman.
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Nobody cares how pristine your butt is, Chapman.
Which I highly doubt.
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Nobody cares how pristine your butt is, Chapman.
Thanks so much for your always-useful input
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Which I highly doubt.
You seem to be
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You seem to be
Highly doubtful? Yep.