JFK Assassination Forum
JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: John Pesa on February 12, 2018, 12:58:32 AM
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The Warren Commission Report framed the couple that Lee Harvey Oswald was staying with just prior to the Assassination, Michael and Ruth Paine, as some random Quaker family that were Good Samaritans, with the wife, Ruth, wanting to learn the language of our Cold War enemy as a hobby (because learning Russian must have been useful living in Texas.)
Any investigation should have started with how Lee Harvey Oswald got himself into his alleged position and if there were any unusual circumstances that put President John F. Kennedy(JFK) into his vulnerable position in Dealey Plaza (being without adequate protection in a limousine that slowed down during the shooting.) The Paine's should have been been put under the same scrutiny as Mary Surratt, the woman who John Wilkes Booth was staying with prior to killing President Abraham Lincoln. This should be the starting point of departure of the investigation of the Assassination of JFK, how these two men's fate converged.
Today, as historians, we can connect a lot of dots. In fact, the first background story that came to light on Lee Harvey Oswald came from Clare Boothe Luce, the wife of Henry Luce, the man who ended up purchasing the Abraham Zapruder Film showing the sequence of the limousine during the shooting. Clare Boothe Luce was directly related to John Wilkes Booth. Clare Boothe Luce was one of Allen Dulles's mistresses (the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) whom JFK fired for the poorly advising JFK during the Bay of Pigs failed overthrow of Fidel Castro in Cuba. The source Clare Boothe Luce's story was the Cuban Student Directorate, a group funded by the CIA and handled directly by the CIA's Chief of Psychological Warfare based in Miami, FL, George Joannides. This Cuban Student Directorate was the group that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was involved with handing out leaflets for in conjunction with Guy Banister, an FBI contract agent involved in sheep dipping and infiltrating radical groups, gun running and government black operations. In the late 1970's the US Government reopened the Investigation of the Assassination of President Kennedy in the House Select Committee on Assassination (HSCA), and the CIA (then led by CIA Director George HW Bush) put George Joannides in charge of filtering all information from the CIA to the HSCA. George HW Bush, a man with supposedly no Intelligence experience was appointed as Director of the CIA by President Gerald Ford, who was also a Warren Commission Member hand picked by Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ), the successor of JFK. The CIA's George Joannides never disclosed that he, himself directly funded the group that LHO was involved in, that it was a CIA funded group, and this CIA funded group provided the the backstory on LHO to Clare Boothe Luce, the former mistress of former CIA Director, Allen Dulles (another political enemy of the Kennedys), the man that JFK had fired, now hand picked by LBJ for the Warren Commission to review the FBI's investigation led by J. Edgar Hoover (LBJ's close friend and neighbor, and also a political enemy of the Kennedy's). We now have a released memo by J. Edgar Hoover dated one week after the Assassination where he writes that he was informed by informants in Miami familiar with AntiCastro Cubans about their reaction to the Assassination, and that this information was furnished by the CIA's George Bush. Again, George HW Bush, a man who used to dine with Allen Dulles and his family, and had his company Zapata Oil's oil rigs used as "listening posts" during the CIA's Bay of Pigs Invasion, denied having any prior dealings with the CIA before being appointed as Director by a former Warren Commission Member Gerald Ford, and Bush appoints the handler of the CIA front group that LHO is involved with (who is based in Miami) to filter all CIA information to the HSCA while not disclosing his dealings with the group he handled directly involving Lee Harvey Oswald. Now, on the cover of Life Magazine, which was owned by Henry Luce, a personal friend of Allen Dulles and the husband of Clare Boothe Luce (Dulles's mistress) was the cover story "The Bobby Baker Bombshell" the investigation of LBJ's bagman, Bobby Baker and corruption at the highest levels. Attorney General Robert Kennedy was investigating the dirty dealings of LBJ. The day of the Assassination, former US President Richard Nixon was reported in the Dallas Morning News to have said that President Kennedy was going to dump LBJ in 1964. This is important because LBJ, the successor of JFK, the man who hand picked the Warren Commission was in a situation prior to the Assassination where he not only feared being removed from the Presidential ticket in 1964, but could actually face prosecution from Robert Kennedy, a common political enemy as was his friend and neighbor, J. Edgar Hoover. And as far as the limousine driver who actually slowed down during the shooting, his former employer was the family of Henry Cabot Lodge Jr, another political enemy of JFK, the individual who JFK unseated in the US Senate as Massachusetts Senator and was Richard Nixon's running mate in 1960. JFK had essentially taken away this man's political future at the highest levels. Henry Cabot Lodge later becomes Ambassador to South Vietnam and a major proponent of the Vietnam War, a War that JFK was trying to prevent the United States from engaging in, a policy that LBJ reversed almost immediately after the Assassination.
Without having to look under any rocks, what lays at our open view are major, major red flags of collusion, conspiracy where the successor to JFK, President Johnson, the primary investigator of the Assassination, J. Edgar Hoover as well as Warren Commission Member, Allen Dulles, to even the limousine driver who slowed down during the shooting were major political enemies of President Kennedy (when the limousine driver William Greer's brother was asked if his brother liked JFK, his response was "we are Methodists and he was a Catholic." Prior to working for JFK's political enemy, Henry Cabot Lodge Jr's Family, William Greer worked for Franklin Quimby Brown, a Rockefeller Associate in the railroad industry who was appointed to the National Security League, a group that promoted intervention during World War I who also laid the groundwork for the National Security Act, which created the Central Intelligence Agency later in 1947. After World War I, the most decorated US Marine, Brigadier Smedley Butler wrote a book called "War is a Racket" where he exposed major corporations who were war profiteers and challenged the notion that the United States Military should be used for interventions overseas that had had nothing to do with our National Security or Interest and only helped investment banks and international corporations. Brigadier General Smedley Butler also exposed a Fascist Plot to overthrow then US President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, where he was approached by JP Morgan bankers, individuals representing Remmington Arms and Dupont as well as the newly formed National Liberty League. It seems far fetched today to believe that this was possible, but major nations like Italy, Spain, Germany and others had representative governments fall to Fascist regimes all during that same timeframe, and Brigadier General Smedley Butler was a man of the highest courage and integrity, so he certainly is a source worthy of our trust. Remmington Arms, on the other hand, sold the majority of arms to both sides during World War I. Millions of Remmington rounds were found in the hull of the sunk Luisitania, the incident which turned the noninterventionist sentiment to active support for England during WWI. The money lent to England during WWI was funded through JP Morgan's banks who were able to profit on the interest. Just prior to WWI, JP Morgan (the US representative of the Rothschild interests) gathered together the most influential bankers to his private estate on Jekyl Island where they hatched out the plan to privatize and control the US Monetary system (the establishment of the US Federal Reserve.). To balance the issuance of money they would put into circulation and profit through interest, they created the Federal Income Tax to put US Taxpayers on the hook for monies borrowed and lent out by the Federal Reserve. Within 25 years of the creation of the Federal Reserve, we saw two World Wars where the enemies of this Central Banking Cartel were destroyed, and this Central Banking Cartel got rich. during the entire process and controlled the Propaganda the entire way through in buying newspapers, controlling their content i.e. the CIA's Operation Mockingbird, staging false flag attacks, organizing black operations, Coup D'etat's, etc. What their propaganda agent could not sell in the Press to the American Public, they used the CIA for in black operations. They were experts in controlling the Press, manipulating the population through Propaganda, conducting Coup D'etats, character assassinations, etc. This Banking Cartel had its reach into the brain trusts of major universities, the Press, and they even set up the Council on Foreign Relations which was essentially a Sphere of Influence that was used to promote individuals who supported essentially Imperialism led by this Cartel. At the very core of the motivation to assassinate President Kennedy was President Kennedy's belief in his fellow human beings to elect leaders and to let the democratic process flourish around the Globe and to cultivate partnerships with representative governments. In opposition of this belief was this Imperial Cartel that sought to hand pick leaders themselves and destroy any democratic leader that stood in their way. In the time prior to JFK as President, the CIA had overthrown democratically elected leaders in Guatemala, Iran, the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo and later were involved in several others, including empowering and arming Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, the Taliban, etc. President Kennedy was against Colonialism. President Roosevelt also believed in representative governments and was against Colonialism and challenged Winston Churchill on British Imperialism in the Atlantic Charter Conference. Because Imperialism was the interest of the most powerful in the US, the same interests that tried to overthrow FDR in a Coup D'etat, the dirty work conducted on its behalf was outside the political sentiment of the US citizens and therefore had to be conducted by the fourth branch of the US Military, the CIA. Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty wrote in his book "The Secret Team" about how the CIA got resources from other branches of the US Military. The CIA created cutout organizations and contractors like Air America to conduct many of their missions (one Air America Pilot, Barry Seal, worked as a CIA reconnaissance pilot who was involved in drug trafficking during the Iran Contra Affair Bary Seal. Barry Seal was in the same Louisiana Civil Air Patrol with Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferrie, which was founded by D.H. Byrd, the owner of the Texas School Book Depository as well as the founder of CIA contractor of reconnaissance equipment, Ling-Temco-Vought (LTV). LTV was the employer of LBJ's hitman Malcolm Wallace, who's fingerprint was found on one of the boxes in the sniper's nest at the Texas School Book Depository. Lee Harvey Oswald also worked in top secret reconnaissance being stationed in Astugi, Japan, the base that launched U-2 spy planes over the Soviet Union during the Cold War. U-2 Francis Gary Powers believed that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved in passing along information to the Soviet Union that compromised him an led to him being shot down. Today, we need to ask ourselves, how an individual stationed at one of the most sensitive top secret U-2 spy plane bases involved in reconnaissance, who later defects to the USSR would ever be able to be let back into the US, and how would he later end up working in a building owned by a major CIA reconnaissance contractor, D.H. Byrd, and then murdered by Jack Ruby, also with a history in US Military Reconnaissance?
At this point, when a critical mass of "coincidences" seems unlikely, the overwhelming sense of denial and cognitive dissonance kicks in. How could something so powerful and out of control go unchecked for so long? One must then consider that three United States Presidents warned of the undue influence of the Central Intelligence Agency / Military Industrial Complex in a matter of three years. In 1960, President Dwight Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex's undue influence and that the US Citizens needed to be vigilantly watchful of them. US President John F. Kennedy said that he was going to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind. Within a week of the Assassination of President Kennedy, President Harry Truman wrote a letter to the Press warning of the abuses of the CIA and how the CIA was involved in activities that were beyond its intended purposes. Beyond that, President Kennedy spoke directly to the Press warning them of an all encompassing Monolithic Conspiracy that organized major aspects of our life. Three contemporaries of JFK who also spoke of a grand conspiracy were Myron Fagan who wrote "The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations" which outlined the activities of the House of Rothschild led Illuminati. William Guy Carr wrote "Pawns in the Game" in 1958 and "Red Fog over America" where he claimed that International Communism and International Capitalism are controlled by the same powers majorly controlled by the Rothschild and Rockefeller interests. Benjamin Freedman was another individual who came forward and exposed the same cartel's conspiracy in a speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington D.C. in 1961. The concern was that President Kennedy warned of a grand global conspiracy, while contemporaries warned about a same grand global conspiracy identifying Rockefeller and Rothschild as the head, and then we see two Rockefeller lawyers appointed to the Warren Commission. Then, after more and more inconsistencies arose regarding the JFK Assassination, President Nixon appointed Nelson Rockefeller to conduct a Rockefeller Commission to address them. Nelson Rockefeller, like Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles also had multiple connections to principals of the case that he did not disclose. Interestingly, Warren Commission Member John J. McCloy, a Rockefeller lawyer taught the Rockefeller boys how to sail while in Bar Harbor, Maine. The Rockefeller boys were close boyhood friends of George Lyman Paine, who they sailed together with off of Sutton Island (Bar Harbor, Maine.). George Lyman Paine was Michael Paine's father. George Lyman Paine was also a close friend of Leon Trotsky. Trotsky was funded by Jacob Schiff, a Rothschild Agent in the US. Warren Commission member John J. McCloy was a hairdresser for the Schiff Family in Bar Harbor, Maine. The Schiff Family shared a residence with the Rothschilds in Germany. Schiff's interest was ostensibly to overthrow the Tsar in Russia who was allegedly murdering the Jewish population, but the Tsar's in Russia had been historically enemies of the Rothschilds. Tsar Alexander I, blocked the Rothschild's plan for World Government in the Congress of Vienna in 1815, Tsar Alexander II for siding with US President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War (using the Russian Navy for a Blockade of Confederate / British Trade), and to confiscate the wealth of the wealthiest family in the world, the Romanov's (the Rothschild's primary advisory throughout history up until 1917). After leading the execution of the Romanov's, the Rothschilds became the wealthiest family. They hosted the Paris Peace Conference after WWI, which Warren Commission Member Allen Dulles attended, and Lord Balfour addressed "Lord Rothschild" and granted Palestine as a homeland for the Zionists. The Rothschilds had their own country. President Kennedy had denied Israel from gaining nuclear technology and demanded inspections of their Nuclear Plant in Dimona. Attorney Robert Kennedy demanded that the Israeli Lobby file as a foreign agent and prohibited them from contributing to US political elections.
The Rothschild Cartel has been preying on the United States for generations. Their first network in the United States were the Boston Brahmins engaged in the British East India Company including the Cabot and Lodge Families. This network was engaged in the slave and opium trade. The vessel the Sons of Liberty boarded in the Boston Tea Party was owned by George Cabot, who was a trader for the British East India Company (BEIC). The BEIC was exempted from paying the Tax levied on Tea, which was found to be unfair to patriots like John Hancock who traded with the Dutch. Later, during the War of 1812, these British Loyalists tried to sabotage the United States and were called Blue Lights providing aid to the British. George Cabot actually led a delegation called the Essex Junto at the Hartford Conference in 1814 to have New England succeed from the Union. This plot was exposed by Matthew Carey in his pamphlet, the Olive Branch, which was the second most read publication only behind the Bible for many years. President Andrew Jackson fought with Rothschild Agents, the Biddles and was successful kicking them out, calling them a "Den of Vipers" that he vowed to rout out. Rothschild Agents in the North and South were said to have agitated and used the slavery issue to cause Civil War. The Rothschilds then offered extremely high interest rates for borrowing to Abraham Lincoln, who described the bankers as the more evil foe than the Confederates. President Lincoln was advised by his economic advisor Henry Carey (Matthew Carey's grandson) to not accept the Rothschild's terms and to create their own currency, the American Greenback. Henry Carey created the American System Economy which was insulated by a protective tariff. During this period, cities were built, the infrastructure was laid and the Nation became wealthy. Over time, the Rothschilds used their agents in the US to work together as a cartel to control infrastructure and industry, natural resources, the Press and the representatives in Government. Their tactics were exposed when a document called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was uncovered. This document, which was claimed to be a forgery by Warren Commission Member Allen Dulles, outlined the strategy to control populations through manipulation, propaganda, bribery, corruption, etc. This cartel was called the Illuminati and was founded in 1776 in Bavaria, Germany by Jesuit, Adam Weishaupt who's goal was to empower the Rothschild interests through creating a permanent sphere of influence power structure. This British East India (known as "the Company") had their arm in the United States as the Boston Brahmin became the original Eastern Establishment. The opium business that was controlled and based in Newburyport, MA by the Perkin's Family was later sold to Russell Family of Middletown, CT. The Russell Family founded the Skull and Bones Fraternity at Yale University based on a similar fraternity one of the Russells was exposed to in Bavaria, Germany. The majority of the founders in the CIA came from the Skull and Bones Fraternity, and the CIA later became known as "the Company". Other Illuminati members from Newburyport, MA were Caleb Cushing, a member of the British East India Company's Opium and Slave Trade, as well as Attorney General under pro-slavery President Franklin Pierce (who the Bush Family is related to), who also was part of the "Mystic Krewe of Comus" said to have been involved in many assassinations of US Presidents, as well as Albert Pike, an illuminati member who became a Confederate General, found guilty of Treason and was pardoned by Abraham Lincoln's successor, President Andrew Johnson. Albert Pike was said to have been a colleague of fellow Illuminati Member Giusseppi Mazzini, who was said to have founded the Mafia in 1860.
This Illuminati has tried for generations to be the most powerful imperial force, create a world government and world bank financial system as well as a mentality among their power structure that they had the natural law through natural order to correct any misdirection that the masses of population caused. They created self serving pseudosciences such as Eugenics where they went as far as pushing for sterilization of the "feebleminded". They believed in what Plato termed "Noble Lies" where they could justify false flags, Propaganda lies, Assassinations, Coup D'etats, etc. The Rockefeller and Dulles Families were major Eugenics supporters as were the Harrimans (who supported and partnered with both the Bush and Clinton Families). One of the character witnesses of Michael and Ruth Paine were the Osborns. Frederick Osborn Jr, one of the witnesses was the son of the leader of the American Eugenics Society, Frederick Osborn Senior, who was a close associate of the Rockefellers and the Dulles. Allen Dulles never disclosed his relationship with Frederick Osborn Senior as neither did the Rockefellers during the Rockefeller Commission. Frederick Osborn Sr also was involved with his cousin Henry Fairfield Osborn who with the Rockefellers, Prince Philip of Great Britain and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, created the World Wildlife Fund (WWF). The WWF was the parent of Permindex, the group that Attorney James Garrison identified as being involved in the Assassination of President Kennedy. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands along with David Rockefeller founded the Bilderberg Group. Currently, President Obama works in the office of the WWF, which is said to be a Rothschild concern. Also, Lee Harvey Oswald had in his possession the address and name of Dr. H. Warner Kloepfer, a leader in the American Eugenics Society, whom Allen Dulles would have known through his families support of the Society, having the Eugenics Records Office funded by the Harrimans and Rockefellers erected on the Dulles Estate. The closeness of ideology of the American Eugenics with Nazi Germany' ethnic cleansing could not be understated. John Foster Dulles represented Brown Brothers Harriman, Dillon Read, Kuhn Loeb, and other interests in the Rothschild Cartel in the financing of Adolf Hitler's rise to power through their networks with Nazi industrialist I.G. Farben. Warren Commission Member John J. McCloy actually sat in the same press box as Adolf Hitler at the Munich Olympics. Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman had their Union Banking Company seized for violating "Trading with the Enemy Act" for their dealings with Nazi's during the War The Rockefeller's Standard Oil was caught providing patents for tetraethyl gasoline to the Nazi's during WWII. Warren Commission Member John J. McCloy was associated with IG Farben, who's main plant was at Auschwitz. When reports came in that Auschwitz was a death camp, McCloy blocked attempts to bomb the railways leading to it. It is astounding that individuals who were guilty of Treason during WWII were able to preside over the Investigation of the Assassination of President Kennedy two decades later. It was amazing that this Cartel was not found guilty of Treason for trying to overthrow FDR in the Business Plot in 1933. Eleanor Roosevelt actually wrote to John J. McCloy who was representing Nazi interests during the Nuremberg Trials asking him why he was letting so many Nazis go free. Warren Commission Member Allen Dulles enlisted numerous ex Nazi Intelligence Officers to join the CIA ostensibly to help in efforts against the USSR.
One major vein of connections in the JFK Assassination involved Radio Propaganda and Psychological Operations which were involved in Coup D'etats in Guatemala and the attempted Coup in Cuba as well as Radio Free Europe which was created by the National Committee for a Free Europe, founded by Allen Dulles and others including Henry Luce. Radio Free Europe was founded by Allen Dulles and Dimitri VonMohrenschildt, the brother of George DeMohrenshildt, a close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald and George H.W. Bush. George DeMohrenshildt's family were White Russians who worked for the Nobel Family's Oil interests in Russia. It was unrealistic that he would be friend with Lee Harvey Oswald, the self proclaimed Lenin-Marxist. Priscilla Johnson McMillan was someone with a very coincidental background including her application to the CIA where on her file, it states that she would be helpful as a propaganda tool. On her way to Soviet Russia, she stopped at a Radio Free Europe Office, and while in Russia, randomly meets Lee Harvey Oswald and interviews him. After the Assassination, she becomes close friends of Marina Oswald, Lee's wife.
The vein of connections related to Radio Propaganda intertwines with that of the United Fruit Company, a CIA front company. Warren Commissioners John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles, along with John Foster Dulles (Secretary of State) as well as John Moors Cabot and Thomas Dudley Cabot were leaders of the United Fruit Company (UFCO). Guatemala had democratically elected Jacobo Arebenz as their President, who later expelled the UFCO, who owned 40 percent of their arable land and abused many of their workers. The United States CIA was involved in a covert black operation called "Operation Success" where they used radio propaganda to stage a fake invasion which sent the President into exile. The radio transmissions were organized by the CIA's David Atlee Phillips at "Radio Swan" on Swan Island (just off the coast of Honduras) which was owned by the United Fruit Company. The United Fruit Company's Swan Island was also used for radio transmissions during the Bay of Pigs. The boats used in the Bay of Pigs Invasion could not be US Navy because it was a black operation, they were actually UFCO's ships owned by John Moors Cabot, who was Michael Paine's older cousin / uncle. John Moors Cabot was a personal friend and worked for Nelson Rockefeller in the CIA's InterAmerican Affairs. Thomas Dudley Cabot was the brother of John Moors Cabot and was also a leader in the UFCO, and was a personal friend and sailing partner of David Rockefeller. David Rockefeller, Thomas Dudley Cabot and C. Douglas Dillon were all on the Board of Overseers at Harvard University. C. Douglas Dillon was the Secretary of the Treasury, the man whom limousine driver, Secret Service Agent William Greer reported to at the time of the Assassination. Now, all being on the Board of the UFCO, Warren Commission Members Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy had to have been on a first name basis with two of Michael Paine's uncles, Thomas Dudley Cabot and John Moors Cabot and they never disclosed this as they should have. In a court of law, it would have been considered legal malpractice by John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles, two lawyers who would have known the law. Even in the Rockefeller Commission, both David and Nelson Rockefeller were very, very close with Michael Paine's older cousins/ uncles and would likewise have been required to disclose their relationship as well as their close boyhood relationship with Michael Paine's father, George Lyman Paine. These facts point more to a cover up than a coincidence. The coincidence is far fetched. Another point beyond coincidence was that Allen Dulles had a long time mistress named Mary Bancroft, who was a very close friend of Michael Paine's mother, Ruth Forbes Paine. There are simply too many connections that went undisclosed.
The consequence of having a Coup D'etat is that the remaining power structure is poisoned with a very, very dark secret, the preservation of which becomes it's organizing principle. We have had decades of War and the Military Industrial Complex has been more enriched than anything that Brigadier General Smedley Butler or even President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about. Since the Assassination, we have had LBJ, who hand picked the Warren Commission, President Richard Nixon, who was ousted in a political coup involving the Watergate Burglary which is said to have been influence by the JFK Assassination Coverup as alluded to in the taped "the whole Bay of Pigs". Then you had Warren Commissioner Gerald Ford as President, who had multiple assassination attempts which would have put Nelson Rockefeller into office. After Ford, you had President Reagan, who was a member of the Rockefeller Commission which investigated the JFK Assassination. Then you had President George H.W. Bush who was the CIA Director who blocked the flow of information of the CIA to the HSCA by the CIA's George Joannides, the man who directly ran the group that LHO was involved in. Then you had Bill Clinton, who had driven Warren Commission Member Hale Boggs to the airport in a flight that crashed killing him. Hale Boggs became an outspoken critic of the Warren Commission saying he wished he had never signed it. After Clinton you had George H.W. Bush's son, George W. Bush and after him came President Obama, who's Attorney General, Eric Holder was a former lawyer for the United Fruit Company (Chiquita Banana). Again, Barack Obama works in the office of the World Wildlife Fund, a group founded by Eugenics supporters, a group that parented the Permindex organization that Attorney General James Garrison had identified as being involved in the Assassination and a Rothschild concern. Today, we have Donald Trump, who failed to release all of the concealed government documents of the JFK Assassination even though it was over 50 years ago, on the basis of National Security.
The Office of Psychological Warfare,which was the epicenter of this black operation began with George Joannides and David Atlee Phillips, a man that Antonio Veciana wrote in an Affidavit 50 years after the Assassination that he had been at a meeting with (David Atlee Phillips and Lee Harvey Oswald). Twenty years ago Antonio Veciana refused to answer any questions on the matter because he said that the was shot in the head. Psychological Operations went into a very, very dark chapter from their already dark chapters including the MK Ultra of creating mind controlled assets to Operation Mockingbird where they had plants in all the major news publications, to drug trafficking using coffins of G.I.'s. One honest investigator who discovered this illegal activity was Dr. Jeffrey McDonald who was stationed at the Presidio Base in San Francisco, CA. After his discovery he was said to have been framed for murdering his wife and children. A former FBI Chief of California, Ted Gunderson was asked to defend Dr. McDonald and through his investigation discovered that there was a satanic ritualistic abuse network at the Presidio day care facilities and through questioning of witnesses gathered that the murder of Dr. McDonald's children and wife were by a Satanic Cult operating at the Presidio. A leader in Psychological Operations at the Presidio at the time, who later became a Lt. Colonel was named Michael Aquino, who was the head of the Church of Set (or the Church of Satan.). According to former FBI Chief of California, Ted Gunderson, there was a large network of child kidnapping, child trafficking (the Finders Program), satanic ritualistic abuse involving prominent public officials, politicians, etc. who were often lured into the activity for the purpose of being blackmailed and compromised. Gunderson investigated the drug trafficking through Mena, Arkansas involving both President George H.W. Bush and then Governor Bill Clinton during the Iran Contra Affair. Gunderson spoke about the Franklin Coverup, which was a major child trafficking and abuse ring that was exposed in Omaha, Nebraska when 80 children came forward an identified Lawrence King, the man who sang the National Anthem at two Republican National Conventions as the man who abused them. A State Senator named John DeCamp led the investigation of this major child abuse scandal and had it stopped on the grounds of National Security.
We have had National Security used as the reason why we can not find out the details of the murder of our beloved President and for the investigation of ritualistic child abuse.
We, today have to listen to President Kennedy's warnings about a vast conspiracy that is threatening us, and think that today, if he was murdered in a Coup D'etat, how the current power structure and line of succession since then would have have to be configured in order to preserve that very poisonous secret. Think about how many lies have been told to us that have caused us to enter wars and invade areas around the world. President Kennedy wanted the United States to lead the way in helping burgeoning democracies flourish so we would have more friends in the world, and we have let our CIA conduct so many black operations that have disrupted so many regions causing resentment of our Nation. It took over 150 years before our Nation came to terms with the fact that we had conducted genocide of the Native Americans, it shouldn't take 150 years to come to terms that we had a Coup D'etat in 1963.
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Tremendous post Mr.Pesa... I've nothing to add to it but I do look forward to any replies to the contrary.
So many interesting points, the timeline of events is a sad narrative of our country, all the way up to and including the horrible kidnappings and killings of innocent children. I remember that case involving McDonald, there was a movie about him and his case, I didn't realize he was connected (possibly), to the other things mentioned.
Again, thank you for this post, well done..!!
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A tremendous post alright. The Rothschild Cartel conspiracy theory. The good old Illuminati conspiracy theory. Tremendous is the word for it. Wacky is the word that best describes it.
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Allan Dulles wasn't fired. LBJ didn't hand-pick Dulles for the Commission. Dulles, along with John McCloy, were recommended by Bobby Kennedy.
LBJ continued Kennedy's policies towards Vietnam.
The Wallace fingerprint match is far from certain.
Oswald worked with a radar unit in Japan.
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The Warren Commission Report framed the couple that Lee Harvey Oswald was staying with just prior to the Assassination, Michael and Ruth Paine, as some random Quaker family that were Good Samaritans, with the wife, Ruth, wanting to learn the language of our Cold War enemy as a hobby (because learning Russian must have been useful living in Texas.)
Any investigation should have started with how Lee Harvey Oswald got himself into his alleged position and if there were any unusual circumstances that put President John F. Kennedy(JFK) into his vulnerable position in Dealey Plaza (being without adequate protection in a limousine that slowed down during the shooting.) The Paine's should have been been put under the same scrutiny as Mary Surratt, the woman who John Wilkes Booth was staying with prior to killing President Abraham Lincoln. This should be the starting point of departure of the investigation of the Assassination of JFK, how these two men's fate converged.
Today, as historians, we can connect a lot of dots. In fact, the first background story that came to light on Lee Harvey Oswald came from Clare Boothe Luce, the wife of Henry Luce, the man who ended up purchasing the Abraham Zapruder Film showing the sequence of the limousine during the shooting. Clare Boothe Luce was directly related to John Wilkes Booth. Clare Boothe Luce was one of Allen Dulles's mistresses (the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) whom JFK fired for the poorly advising JFK during the Bay of Pigs failed overthrow of Fidel Castro in Cuba. The source Clare Boothe Luce's story was the Cuban Student Directorate, a group funded by the CIA and handled directly by the CIA's Chief of Psychological Warfare based in Miami, FL, George Joannides. This Cuban Student Directorate was the group that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was involved with handing out leaflets for in conjunction with Guy Banister, an FBI contract agent involved in sheep dipping and infiltrating radical groups, gun running and government black operations. In the late 1970's the US Government reopened the Investigation of the Assassination of President Kennedy in the House Select Committee on Assassination (HSCA), and the CIA (then led by CIA Director George HW Bush) put George Joannides in charge of filtering all information from the CIA to the HSCA. George HW Bush, a man with supposedly no Intelligence experience was appointed as Director of the CIA by President Gerald Ford, who was also a Warren Commission Member hand picked by Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ), the successor of JFK. The CIA's George Joannides never disclosed that he, himself directly funded the group that LHO was involved in, that it was a CIA funded group, and this CIA funded group provided the the backstory on LHO to Clare Boothe Luce, the former mistress of former CIA Director, Allen Dulles (another political enemy of the Kennedys), the man that JFK had fired, now hand picked by LBJ for the Warren Commission to review the FBI's investigation led by J. Edgar Hoover (LBJ's close friend and neighbor, and also a political enemy of the Kennedy's). We now have a released memo by J. Edgar Hoover dated one week after the Assassination where he writes that he was informed by informants in Miami familiar with AntiCastro Cubans about their reaction to the Assassination, and that this information was furnished by the CIA's George Bush. Again, George HW Bush, a man who used to dine with Allen Dulles and his family, and had his company Zapata Oil's oil rigs used as "listening posts" during the CIA's Bay of Pigs Invasion, denied having any prior dealings with the CIA before being appointed as Director by a former Warren Commission Member Gerald Ford, and Bush appoints the handler of the CIA front group that LHO is involved with (who is based in Miami) to filter all CIA information to the HSCA while not disclosing his dealings with the group he handled directly involving Lee Harvey Oswald. Now, on the cover of Life Magazine, which was owned by Henry Luce, a personal friend of Allen Dulles and the husband of Clare Boothe Luce (Dulles's mistress) was the cover story "The Bobby Baker Bombshell" the investigation of LBJ's bagman, Bobby Baker and corruption at the highest levels. Attorney General Robert Kennedy was investigating the dirty dealings of LBJ. The day of the Assassination, former US President Richard Nixon was reported in the Dallas Morning News to have said that President Kennedy was going to dump LBJ in 1964. This is important because LBJ, the successor of JFK, the man who hand picked the Warren Commission was in a situation prior to the Assassination where he not only feared being removed from the Presidential ticket in 1964, but could actually face prosecution from Robert Kennedy, a common political enemy as was his friend and neighbor, J. Edgar Hoover. And as far as the limousine driver who actually slowed down during the shooting, his former employer was the family of Henry Cabot Lodge Jr, another political enemy of JFK, the individual who JFK unseated in the US Senate as Massachusetts Senator and was Richard Nixon's running mate in 1960. JFK had essentially taken away this man's political future at the highest levels. Henry Cabot Lodge later becomes Ambassador to South Vietnam and a major proponent of the Vietnam War, a War that JFK was trying to prevent the United States from engaging in, a policy that LBJ reversed almost immediately after the Assassination.
Without having to look under any rocks, what lays at our open view are major, major red flags of collusion, conspiracy where the successor to JFK, President Johnson, the primary investigator of the Assassination, J. Edgar Hoover as well as Warren Commission Member, Allen Dulles, to even the limousine driver who slowed down during the shooting were major political enemies of President Kennedy (when the limousine driver William Greer's brother was asked if his brother liked JFK, his response was "we are Methodists and he was a Catholic." Prior to working for JFK's political enemy, Henry Cabot Lodge Jr's Family, William Greer worked for Franklin Quimby Brown, a Rockefeller Associate in the railroad industry who was appointed to the National Security League, a group that promoted intervention during World War I who also laid the groundwork for the National Security Act, which created the Central Intelligence Agency later in 1947. After World War I, the most decorated US Marine, Brigadier Smedley Butler wrote a book called "War is a Racket" where he exposed major corporations who were war profiteers and challenged the notion that the United States Military should be used for interventions overseas that had had nothing to do with our National Security or Interest and only helped investment banks and international corporations. Brigadier General Smedley Butler also exposed a Fascist Plot to overthrow then US President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, where he was approached by JP Morgan bankers, individuals representing Remmington Arms and Dupont as well as the newly formed National Liberty League. It seems far fetched today to believe that this was possible, but major nations like Italy, Spain, Germany and others had representative governments fall to Fascist regimes all during that same timeframe, and Brigadier General Smedley Butler was a man of the highest courage and integrity, so he certainly is a source worthy of our trust. Remmington Arms, on the other hand, sold the majority of arms to both sides during World War I. Millions of Remmington rounds were found in the hull of the sunk Luisitania, the incident which turned the noninterventionist sentiment to active support for England during WWI. The money lent to England during WWI was funded through JP Morgan's banks who were able to profit on the interest. Just prior to WWI, JP Morgan (the US representative of the Rothschild interests) gathered together the most influential bankers to his private estate on Jekyl Island where they hatched out the plan to privatize and control the US Monetary system (the establishment of the US Federal Reserve.). To balance the issuance of money they would put into circulation and profit through interest, they created the Federal Income Tax to put US Taxpayers on the hook for monies borrowed and lent out by the Federal Reserve. Within 25 years of the creation of the Federal Reserve, we saw two World Wars where the enemies of this Central Banking Cartel were destroyed, and this Central Banking Cartel got rich. during the entire process and controlled the Propaganda the entire way through in buying newspapers, controlling their content i.e. the CIA's Operation Mockingbird, staging false flag attacks, organizing black operations, Coup D'etat's, etc. What their propaganda agent could not sell in the Press to the American Public, they used the CIA for in black operations. They were experts in controlling the Press, manipulating the population through Propaganda, conducting Coup D'etats, character assassinations, etc. This Banking Cartel had its reach into the brain trusts of major universities, the Press, and they even set up the Council on Foreign Relations which was essentially a Sphere of Influence that was used to promote individuals who supported essentially Imperialism led by this Cartel. At the very core of the motivation to assassinate President Kennedy was President Kennedy's belief in his fellow human beings to elect leaders and to let the democratic process flourish around the Globe and to cultivate partnerships with representative governments. In opposition of this belief was this Imperial Cartel that sought to hand pick leaders themselves and destroy any democratic leader that stood in their way. In the time prior to JFK as President, the CIA had overthrown democratically elected leaders in Guatemala, Iran, the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo and later were involved in several others, including empowering and arming Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, the Taliban, etc. President Kennedy was against Colonialism. President Roosevelt also believed in representative governments and was against Colonialism and challenged Winston Churchill on British Imperialism in the Atlantic Charter Conference. Because Imperialism was the interest of the most powerful in the US, the same interests that tried to overthrow FDR in a Coup D'etat, the dirty work conducted on its behalf was outside the political sentiment of the US citizens and therefore had to be conducted by the fourth branch of the US Military, the CIA. Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty wrote in his book "The Secret Team" about how the CIA got resources from other branches of the US Military. The CIA created cutout organizations and contractors like Air America to conduct many of their missions (one Air America Pilot, Barry Seal, worked as a CIA reconnaissance pilot who was involved in drug trafficking during the Iran Contra Affair Bary Seal. Barry Seal was in the same Louisiana Civil Air Patrol with Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferrie, which was founded by D.H. Byrd, the owner of the Texas School Book Depository as well as the founder of CIA contractor of reconnaissance equipment, Ling-Temco-Vought (LTV). LTV was the employer of LBJ's hitman Malcolm Wallace, who's fingerprint was found on one of the boxes in the sniper's nest at the Texas School Book Depository. Lee Harvey Oswald also worked in top secret reconnaissance being stationed in Astugi, Japan, the base that launched U-2 spy planes over the Soviet Union during the Cold War. U-2 Francis Gary Powers believed that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved in passing along information to the Soviet Union that compromised him an led to him being shot down. Today, we need to ask ourselves, how an individual stationed at one of the most sensitive top secret U-2 spy plane bases involved in reconnaissance, who later defects to the USSR would ever be able to be let back into the US, and how would he later end up working in a building owned by a major CIA reconnaissance contractor, D.H. Byrd, and then murdered by Jack Ruby, also with a history in US Military Reconnaissance?
At this point, when a critical mass of "coincidences" seems unlikely, the overwhelming sense of denial and cognitive dissonance kicks in. How could something so powerful and out of control go unchecked for so long? One must then consider that three United States Presidents warned of the undue influence of the Central Intelligence Agency / Military Industrial Complex in a matter of three years. In 1960, President Dwight Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex's undue influence and that the US Citizens needed to be vigilantly watchful of them. US President John F. Kennedy said that he was going to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind. Within a week of the Assassination of President Kennedy, President Harry Truman wrote a letter to the Press warning of the abuses of the CIA and how the CIA was involved in activities that were beyond its intended purposes. Beyond that, President Kennedy spoke directly to the Press warning them of an all encompassing Monolithic Conspiracy that organized major aspects of our life. Three contemporaries of JFK who also spoke of a grand conspiracy were Myron Fagan who wrote "The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations" which outlined the activities of the House of Rothschild led Illuminati. William Guy Carr wrote "Pawns in the Game" in 1958 and "Red Fog over America" where he claimed that International Communism and International Capitalism are controlled by the same powers majorly controlled by the Rothschild and Rockefeller interests. Benjamin Freedman was another individual who came forward and exposed the same cartel's conspiracy in a speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington D.C. in 1961. The concern was that President Kennedy warned of a grand global conspiracy, while contemporaries warned about a same grand global conspiracy identifying Rockefeller and Rothschild as the head, and then we see two Rockefeller lawyers appointed to the Warren Commission. Then, after more and more inconsistencies arose regarding the JFK Assassination, President Nixon appointed Nelson Rockefeller to conduct a Rockefeller Commission to address them. Nelson Rockefeller, like Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles also had multiple connections to principals of the case that he did not disclose. Interestingly, Warren Commission Member John J. McCloy, a Rockefeller lawyer taught the Rockefeller boys how to sail while in Bar Harbor, Maine. The Rockefeller boys were close boyhood friends of George Lyman Paine, who they sailed together with off of Sutton Island (Bar Harbor, Maine.). George Lyman Paine was Michael Paine's father. George Lyman Paine was also a close friend of Leon Trotsky. Trotsky was funded by Jacob Schiff, a Rothschild Agent in the US. Warren Commission member John J. McCloy was a hairdresser for the Schiff Family in Bar Harbor, Maine. The Schiff Family shared a residence with the Rothschilds in Germany. Schiff's interest was ostensibly to overthrow the Tsar in Russia who was allegedly murdering the Jewish population, but the Tsar's in Russia had been historically enemies of the Rothschilds. Tsar Alexander I, blocked the Rothschild's plan for World Government in the Congress of Vienna in 1815, Tsar Alexander II for siding with US President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War (using the Russian Navy for a Blockade of Confederate / British Trade), and to confiscate the wealth of the wealthiest family in the world, the Romanov's (the Rothschild's primary advisory throughout history up until 1917). After leading the execution of the Romanov's, the Rothschilds became the wealthiest family. They hosted the Paris Peace Conference after WWI, which Warren Commission Member Allen Dulles attended, and Lord Balfour addressed "Lord Rothschild" and granted Palestine as a homeland for the Zionists. The Rothschilds had their own country. President Kennedy had denied Israel from gaining nuclear technology and demanded inspections of their Nuclear Plant in Dimona. Attorney Robert Kennedy demanded that the Israeli Lobby file as a foreign agent and prohibited them from contributing to US political elections.
The Rothschild Cartel has been preying on the United States for generations. Their first network in the United States were the Boston Brahmins engaged in the British East India Company including the Cabot and Lodge Families. This network was engaged in the slave and opium trade. The vessel the Sons of Liberty boarded in the Boston Tea Party was owned by George Cabot, who was a trader for the British East India Company (BEIC). The BEIC was exempted from paying the Tax levied on Tea, which was found to be unfair to patriots like John Hancock who traded with the Dutch. Later, during the War of 1812, these British Loyalists tried to sabotage the United States and were called Blue Lights providing aid to the British. George Cabot actually led a delegation called the Essex Junto at the Hartford Conference in 1814 to have New England succeed from the Union. This plot was exposed by Matthew Carey in his pamphlet, the Olive Branch, which was the second most read publication only behind the Bible for many years. President Andrew Jackson fought with Rothschild Agents, the Biddles and was successful kicking them out, calling them a "Den of Vipers" that he vowed to rout out. Rothschild Agents in the North and South were said to have agitated and used the slavery issue to cause Civil War. The Rothschilds then offered extremely high interest rates for borrowing to Abraham Lincoln, who described the bankers as the more evil foe than the Confederates. President Lincoln was advised by his economic advisor Henry Carey (Matthew Carey's grandson) to not accept the Rothschild's terms and to create their own currency, the American Greenback. Henry Carey created the American System Economy which was insulated by a protective tariff. During this period, cities were built, the infrastructure was laid and the Nation became wealthy. Over time, the Rothschilds used their agents in the US to work together as a cartel to control infrastructure and industry, natural resources, the Press and the representatives in Government. Their tactics were exposed when a document called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was uncovered. This document, which was claimed to be a forgery by Warren Commission Member Allen Dulles, outlined the strategy to control populations through manipulation, propaganda, bribery, corruption, etc. This cartel was called the Illuminati and was founded in 1776 in Bavaria, Germany by Jesuit, Adam Weishaupt who's goal was to empower the Rothschild interests through creating a permanent sphere of influence power structure. This British East India (known as "the Company") had their arm in the United States as the Boston Brahmin became the original Eastern Establishment. The opium business that was controlled and based in Newburyport, MA by the Perkin's Family was later sold to Russell Family of Middletown, CT. The Russell Family founded the Skull and Bones Fraternity at Yale University based on a similar fraternity one of the Russells was exposed to in Bavaria, Germany. The majority of the founders in the CIA came from the Skull and Bones Fraternity, and the CIA later became known as "the Company". Other Illuminati members from Newburyport, MA were Caleb Cushing, a member of the British East India Company's Opium and Slave Trade, as well as Attorney General under pro-slavery President Franklin Pierce (who the Bush Family is related to), who also was part of the "Mystic Krewe of Comus" said to have been involved in many assassinations of US Presidents, as well as Albert Pike, an illuminati member who became a Confederate General, found guilty of Treason and was pardoned by Abraham Lincoln's successor, President Andrew Johnson. Albert Pike was said to have been a colleague of fellow Illuminati Member Giusseppi Mazzini, who was said to have founded the Mafia in 1860.
This Illuminati has tried for generations to be the most powerful imperial force, create a world government and world bank financial system as well as a mentality among their power structure that they had the natural law through natural order to correct any misdirection that the masses of population caused. They created self serving pseudosciences such as Eugenics where they went as far as pushing for sterilization of the "feebleminded". They believed in what Plato termed "Noble Lies" where they could justify false flags, Propaganda lies, Assassinations, Coup D'etats, etc. The Rockefeller and Dulles Families were major Eugenics supporters as were the Harrimans (who supported and partnered with both the Bush and Clinton Families). One of the character witnesses of Michael and Ruth Paine were the Osborns. Frederick Osborn Jr, one of the witnesses was the son of the leader of the American Eugenics Society, Frederick Osborn Senior, who was a close associate of the Rockefellers and the Dulles. Allen Dulles never disclosed his relationship with Frederick Osborn Senior as neither did the Rockefellers during the Rockefeller Commission. Frederick Osborn Sr also was involved with his cousin Henry Fairfield Osborn who with the Rockefellers, Prince Philip of Great Britain and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, created the World Wildlife Fund (WWF). The WWF was the parent of Permindex, the group that Attorney James Garrison identified as being involved in the Assassination of President Kennedy. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands along with David Rockefeller founded the Bilderberg Group. Currently, President Obama works in the office of the WWF, which is said to be a Rothschild concern. Also, Lee Harvey Oswald had in his possession the address and name of Dr. H. Warner Kloepfer, a leader in the American Eugenics Society, whom Allen Dulles would have known through his families support of the Society, having the Eugenics Records Office funded by the Harrimans and Rockefellers erected on the Dulles Estate. The closeness of ideology of the American Eugenics with Nazi Germany' ethnic cleansing could not be understated. John Foster Dulles represented Brown Brothers Harriman, Dillon Read, Kuhn Loeb, and other interests in the Rothschild Cartel in the financing of Adolf Hitler's rise to power through their networks with Nazi industrialist I.G. Farben. Warren Commission Member John J. McCloy actually sat in the same press box as Adolf Hitler at the Munich Olympics. Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman had their Union Banking Company seized for violating "Trading with the Enemy Act" for their dealings with Nazi's during the War The Rockefeller's Standard Oil was caught providing patents for tetraethyl gasoline to the Nazi's during WWII. Warren Commission Member John J. McCloy was associated with IG Farben, who's main plant was at Auschwitz. When reports came in that Auschwitz was a death camp, McCloy blocked attempts to bomb the railways leading to it. It is astounding that individuals who were guilty of Treason during WWII were able to preside over the Investigation of the Assassination of President Kennedy two decades later. It was amazing that this Cartel was not found guilty of Treason for trying to overthrow FDR in the Business Plot in 1933. Eleanor Roosevelt actually wrote to John J. McCloy who was representing Nazi interests during the Nuremberg Trials asking him why he was letting so many Nazis go free. Warren Commission Member Allen Dulles enlisted numerous ex Nazi Intelligence Officers to join the CIA ostensibly to help in efforts against the USSR.
One major vein of connections in the JFK Assassination involved Radio Propaganda and Psychological Operations which were involved in Coup D'etats in Guatemala and the attempted Coup in Cuba as well as Radio Free Europe which was created by the National Committee for a Free Europe, founded by Allen Dulles and others including Henry Luce. Radio Free Europe was founded by Allen Dulles and Dimitri VonMohrenschildt, the brother of George DeMohrenshildt, a close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald and George H.W. Bush. George DeMohrenshildt's family were White Russians who worked for the Nobel Family's Oil interests in Russia. It was unrealistic that he would be friend with Lee Harvey Oswald, the self proclaimed Lenin-Marxist. Priscilla Johnson McMillan was someone with a very coincidental background including her application to the CIA where on her file, it states that she would be helpful as a propaganda tool. On her way to Soviet Russia, she stopped at a Radio Free Europe Office, and while in Russia, randomly meets Lee Harvey Oswald and interviews him. After the Assassination, she becomes close friends of Marina Oswald, Lee's wife.
The vein of connections related to Radio Propaganda intertwines with that of the United Fruit Company, a CIA front company. Warren Commissioners John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles, along with John Foster Dulles (Secretary of State) as well as John Moors Cabot and Thomas Dudley Cabot were leaders of the United Fruit Company (UFCO). Guatemala had democratically elected Jacobo Arebenz as their President, who later expelled the UFCO, who owned 40 percent of their arable land and abused many of their workers. The United States CIA was involved in a covert black operation called "Operation Success" where they used radio propaganda to stage a fake invasion which sent the President into exile. The radio transmissions were organized by the CIA's David Atlee Phillips at "Radio Swan" on Swan Island (just off the coast of Honduras) which was owned by the United Fruit Company. The United Fruit Company's Swan Island was also used for radio transmissions during the Bay of Pigs. The boats used in the Bay of Pigs Invasion could not be US Navy because it was a black operation, they were actually UFCO's ships owned by John Moors Cabot, who was Michael Paine's older cousin / uncle. John Moors Cabot was a personal friend and worked for Nelson Rockefeller in the CIA's InterAmerican Affairs. Thomas Dudley Cabot was the brother of John Moors Cabot and was also a leader in the UFCO, and was a personal friend and sailing partner of David Rockefeller. David Rockefeller, Thomas Dudley Cabot and C. Douglas Dillon were all on the Board of Overseers at Harvard University. C. Douglas Dillon was the Secretary of the Treasury, the man whom limousine driver, Secret Service Agent William Greer reported to at the time of the Assassination. Now, all being on the Board of the UFCO, Warren Commission Members Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy had to have been on a first name basis with two of Michael Paine's uncles, Thomas Dudley Cabot and John Moors Cabot and they never disclosed this as they should have. In a court of law, it would have been considered legal malpractice by John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles, two lawyers who would have known the law. Even in the Rockefeller Commission, both David and Nelson Rockefeller were very, very close with Michael Paine's older cousins/ uncles and would likewise have been required to disclose their relationship as well as their close boyhood relationship with Michael Paine's father, George Lyman Paine. These facts point more to a cover up than a coincidence. The coincidence is far fetched. Another point beyond coincidence was that Allen Dulles had a long time mistress named Mary Bancroft, who was a very close friend of Michael Paine's mother, Ruth Forbes Paine. There are simply too many connections that went undisclosed.
The consequence of having a Coup D'etat is that the remaining power structure is poisoned with a very, very dark secret, the preservation of which becomes it's organizing principle. We have had decades of War and the Military Industrial Complex has been more enriched than anything that Brigadier General Smedley Butler or even President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about. Since the Assassination, we have had LBJ, who hand picked the Warren Commission, President Richard Nixon, who was ousted in a political coup involving the Watergate Burglary which is said to have been influence by the JFK Assassination Coverup as alluded to in the taped "the whole Bay of Pigs". Then you had Warren Commissioner Gerald Ford as President, who had multiple assassination attempts which would have put Nelson Rockefeller into office. After Ford, you had President Reagan, who was a member of the Rockefeller Commission which investigated the JFK Assassination. Then you had President George H.W. Bush who was the CIA Director who blocked the flow of information of the CIA to the HSCA by the CIA's George Joannides, the man who directly ran the group that LHO was involved in. Then you had Bill Clinton, who had driven Warren Commission Member Hale Boggs to the airport in a flight that crashed killing him. Hale Boggs became an outspoken critic of the Warren Commission saying he wished he had never signed it. After Clinton you had George H.W. Bush's son, George W. Bush and after him came President Obama, who's Attorney General, Eric Holder was a former lawyer for the United Fruit Company (Chiquita Banana). Again, Barack Obama works in the office of the World Wildlife Fund, a group founded by Eugenics supporters, a group that parented the Permindex organization that Attorney General James Garrison had identified as being involved in the Assassination and a Rothschild concern. Today, we have Donald Trump, who failed to release all of the concealed government documents of the JFK Assassination even though it was over 50 years ago, on the basis of National Security.
The Office of Psychological Warfare,which was the epicenter of this black operation began with George Joannides and David Atlee Phillips, a man that Antonio Veciana wrote in an Affidavit 50 years after the Assassination that he had been at a meeting with (David Atlee Phillips and Lee Harvey Oswald). Twenty years ago Antonio Veciana refused to answer any questions on the matter because he said that the was shot in the head. Psychological Operations went into a very, very dark chapter from their already dark chapters including the MK Ultra of creating mind controlled assets to Operation Mockingbird where they had plants in all the major news publications, to drug trafficking using coffins of G.I.'s. One honest investigator who discovered this illegal activity was Dr. Jeffrey McDonald who was stationed at the Presidio Base in San Francisco, CA. After his discovery he was said to have been framed for murdering his wife and children. A former FBI Chief of California, Ted Gunderson was asked to defend Dr. McDonald and through his investigation discovered that there was a satanic ritualistic abuse network at the Presidio day care facilities and through questioning of witnesses gathered that the murder of Dr. McDonald's children and wife were by a Satanic Cult operating at the Presidio. A leader in Psychological Operations at the Presidio at the time, who later became a Lt. Colonel was named Michael Aquino, who was the head of the Church of Set (or the Church of Satan.). According to former FBI Chief of California, Ted Gunderson, there was a large network of child kidnapping, child trafficking (the Finders Program), satanic ritualistic abuse involving prominent public officials, politicians, etc. who were often lured into the activity for the purpose of being blackmailed and compromised. Gunderson investigated the drug trafficking through Mena, Arkansas involving both President George H.W. Bush and then Governor Bill Clinton during the Iran Contra Affair. Gunderson spoke about the Franklin Coverup, which was a major child trafficking and abuse ring that was exposed in Omaha, Nebraska when 80 children came forward an identified Lawrence King, the man who sang the National Anthem at two Republican National Conventions as the man who abused them. A State Senator named John DeCamp led the investigation of this major child abuse scandal and had it stopped on the grounds of National Security.
We have had National Security used as the reason why we can not find out the details of the murder of our beloved President and for the investigation of ritualistic child abuse.
We, today have to listen to President Kennedy's warnings about a vast conspiracy that is threatening us, and think that today, if he was murdered in a Coup D'etat, how the current power structure and line of succession since then would have have to be configured in order to preserve that very poisonous secret. Think about how many lies have been told to us that have caused us to enter wars and invade areas around the world. President Kennedy wanted the United States to lead the way in helping burgeoning democracies flourish so we would have more friends in the world, and we have let our CIA conduct so many black operations that have disrupted so many regions causing resentment of our Nation. It took over 150 years before our Nation came to terms with the fact that we had conducted genocide of the Native Americans, it shouldn't take 150 years to come to terms that we had a Coup D'etat in 1963.
Any investigation should have started with how Lee Harvey Oswald got himself into his alleged position
WHY??.....Should any investigation have started with Lee Oswald? Recall that a DPD officer had seen Lee Oswald just seconds after the murder and that officer, Marrion Baker, dismissed him immediately as a suspect.
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Nathan Darby had a 34 point match on the print that turned out to be the print of Malcolm Wallace. Darby did not know that the print was Malcolm Wallace's print until the 34 point match was completed and found to be a match to Wallace. A "34" point match !!!!!!!!
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A tremendous post alright. The Rothschild Cartel conspiracy theory. The good old Illuminati conspiracy theory. Tremendous is the word for it. Wacky is the word that best describes it.
I don't know what is more bizarre: the belief that all of these powerful groups run the world or the belief that all of these powerful groups had to kill JFK because he somehow threatened their power to rule the world.
They control the world but the only way to stop JFK was to kill him?
JFK was a moderate centrist on domestic issues and a believer that communism posed an existential threat to the West. Hardly the type of person these powerful groups would be worried about (of course, assuming, for the sake of the argument, that they do exist and wield the power these people believe they do).
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I don't know what is more bizarre: the belief that all of these powerful groups run the world or the belief that all of these powerful groups had to kill JFK because he somehow threatened their power to rule the world.
They control the world but the only way to stop JFK was to kill him?
JFK was a moderate centrist on domestic issues and a believer that communism posed an existential threat to the West. Hardly the type of person these powerful groups would be worried about.
The killing of JFK was to be blamed on Castro, justifying an invasion of Cuba.
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The killing of JFK was to be blamed on Castro, justifying an invasion of Cuba.
Yes, that was what the CIA renegades thought they could instigate. Hoover knew what was going on and sanctioned the plot. ( He had also aided a plot that failed in Chicago by sitting on his hands)
But when the missiles in Cuba were spotted by U-2 surveillance ..... LBJ nixed the plan to invade Cuba.
The killing of JFK was to be blamed on Castro, ......That's the reason Lee Oswald was sent to Mexico City....To sheep dip him and make it appear that he was working for Castro. Lee went along with the plot that was being played on two stages, by convincing himself that it would be his ticket to Castro's fortress.
On one stage the actual assassination was being set up.....and on the stage Lee was on a hoax attempted assassination was being presented.
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Cool rebuttal, bro.
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Cool rebuttal, bro.
What you would rather I tried to educate the poster by explaining how Darby compared an ink print with a poor quality photo copy of a print, how he claimed to find way less similarities than the poster claims, and how Darby somehow failed to recognise more differences than similarities. After explaining all this to the poster I could then supply links for him to read, contemplate, then possibly alter his position regarding the credibility of finger print evidence belonging to 'known hit man' Malcolm Wallace.
I could indeed do all that but judging by the posters apparent desire to believe fantasy, as evidenced in this very thread, I reckon he wouldn't be interested so I'd rather just do this instead....
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Great post John!!
Also what were the odds of all those key witnesses (that didn't support the WC or FBI explanation) dying in such a short time frame again? Oh yes over 1 trillion to one!!
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Great post John!!
Also what were the odds of all those key witnesses (that didn't support the WC or FBI explanation) dying in such a short time frame again? Oh yes over 1 trillion to one!!
Umpteen Trillion to One Odds?
Cite: MacAdams
The conspiracy literature occasionally still quotes a supposed study done by the London Sunday Times which found that "the odds against these [assassination] witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one."
The House Select Committee on Assassinations asked the newspaper where they got that number. The paper replied with the following letter.
"The Editor has passed me your letter of 25th April.
Our piece about the odds against the deaths of the Kennedy witnesses was, I regret to say, based on a careless journalistic mistake and should not have been published. This was realized by The Sunday Times' editorial staff after the first edition ? the one which goes to the United States and which I believe you have ? had gone out, and later editions were amended.
There was no question of our actuary having got his answer wrong. It was simply that we asked him the wrong question. He was asked what were the odds against 15 named people out of the population of the United States dying within a short period of time to which he replied ? correctly ? that they were very high. However, if one asks what are the odds against 15 of those included in the Warren Commission index dying within a given period, the answer is, of course, that they are much lower. Our mistake was to treat the reply to the former question as if it dealt with the latter ? hence the fundamental error in our first edition report, for which we apologize.
None of the editorial staff involved in this story can remember the name of the actuary we consulted, but in view of what happened you will, I imagine, agree that his identity is hardly material."
Yours sincerely,
Antony Whitaker,
Legal Manager.
(4 HSCA 464-65)
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Umpteen Trillion to One Odds?
Cite: MacAdams
The conspiracy literature occasionally still quotes a supposed study done by the London Sunday Times which found that "the odds against these [assassination] witnesses being dead by February 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one."
The House Select Committee on Assassinations asked the newspaper where they got that number. The paper replied with the following letter.
"The Editor has passed me your letter of 25th April.
Our piece about the odds against the deaths of the Kennedy witnesses was, I regret to say, based on a careless journalistic mistake and should not have been published. This was realized by The Sunday Times' editorial staff after the first edition ? the one which goes to the United States and which I believe you have ? had gone out, and later editions were amended.
There was no question of our actuary having got his answer wrong. It was simply that we asked him the wrong question. He was asked what were the odds against 15 named people out of the population of the United States dying within a short period of time to which he replied ? correctly ? that they were very high. However, if one asks what are the odds against 15 of those included in the Warren Commission index dying within a given period, the answer is, of course, that they are much lower. Our mistake was to treat the reply to the former question as if it dealt with the latter ? hence the fundamental error in our first edition report, for which we apologize.
None of the editorial staff involved in this story can remember the name of the actuary we consulted, but in view of what happened you will, I imagine, agree that his identity is hardly material."
Yours sincerely,
Antony Whitaker,
Legal Manager.
(4 HSCA 464-65)
Much lower than a hundred thousand trillion to one is still a huge number!!! It doesn't dent the point made
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What you would rather I tried to educate the poster by explaining how Darby compared an ink print with a poor quality photo copy of a print, how he claimed to find way less similarities than the poster claims, and how Darby somehow failed to recognise more differences than similarities. After explaining all this to the poster I could then supply links for him to read, contemplate, then possibly alter his position regarding the credibility of finger print evidence belonging to 'known hit man' Malcolm Wallace.
Yes, I would have preferred that.
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Allan Dulles wasn't fired.
OK you could say he was dismissed** ::) LBJ didn't hand-pick Dulles for the Commission. Dulles, along with John McCloy, were recommended by Bobby Kennedy.
So LBJ said. Johnson's man Katzenbach mentioned this. However...RFK nor any one close to him ever confirmed that.LBJ continued Kennedy's policies towards Vietnam.
I'm sure there is disagreement about that :-\
**During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism.[2] In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident and Algiers putsch against Charles de Gaulle, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia.[30] The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles.[31]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles#Dismissal
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The Warren Commission Report framed the couple that Lee Harvey Oswald was staying with just prior to the Assassination, Michael and Ruth Paine, as some random Quaker family that were Good Samaritans ..........
The Paines weren't really a 'couple' at the time. They were separated. Michael Paine lived in Grand Prairie [a suburb west of Dallas] close to Bell Helicopter where he worked. He was a visitor to Irving on weekends.
John J. McCloy was a hairdresser for the Schiff Family
:D :D His mother was. John McCloy was a laywer. Check your facts next time.
A narrative like the lead post should have been footnoted. Where did it all come from?
I'm sure there may be a colorful response to that :-\
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Yes, John J. McCloy's mother was the hairdresser of the Schiff's up in Bar Harbor, Maine.
https://jaxrevenge.blogspot.com/2011/06/hairdressers-son.html
from above, Jack's Flame, the Origins of John J McCloy, Warren Commission Member:
This is Anna the hairdresser's son, Jack. The photo was taken in 1916 where he was a freshman in college. Outside the classroom he began taking tutoring jobs to earn a little more money for tuition. During the summer of 1920, Jack accompanied his mother once again but this time he was able to hire himself out as a tutor of history and law. One day his mother urged him to approach the Rockefellers, one of her rich clients, for a tutoring job.
Although the Rockefeller children aleady had a history tutor his personable mother managed to get Jack a job teaching the young Rockefellers sailing in the harbor below their estate. John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was forty-six years old and had five sons and one daughter, Abby, who was seventeen at the time. John D. 3rd, Nelson, Laurance, Winthrop, and young David ranged in ages from fourteen to five. That summer set the terms for what turned out to be a lifelong association between Jack and the Rockefellers. David was so young at the time that he would scarcely remember the episode. But in the eyes of the other boys, McCloy would always seem a teacher, a mature figure, closer in authority to their father's generation than to their own.
The source that has George Lyman Paine (Michael Paine's father) as a boyhood friend (sailed together in Bar Harbor) with the Rockefeller boys is:
Not Without Love, Memoirs, by Constance Webb, page 124.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ltvgliX4Qw4C&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&dq=george+lyman+paine+rockefeller+sutton+island&source=bl&ots=ipA3-Mr1qi&sig=ACfU3U2nZrL_Ruj-QsZ2PAxRD5wWjM55jg&hl=en&ppis=_e&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiw2Z2HoITmAhUDmeAKHdoRD2oQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=george%20lyman%20paine%20rockefeller%20sutton%20island&f=false
What a coincidence?
My next line of research is Otto Skorzeny, of Nazi Special Operations (did the rescue of Mussolini...). Anyway, Skorzeny's father in law was Hjalmar Schacht, Hitler's banker. According to Mae Brussell, Hjalmar Schacht was a close friend of Clay Shaw.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html
from above:
Clay Shaw, who was charged by New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison with complicity in the JFK assassination, was a close friend of Hjalmar Schacht.
Here is an Israeli publication talking about how this Nazi, Otto Skorzeny, became an Israeli hitman.
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/the-strange-case-of-a-nazi-who-became-a-mossad-hitman-1.5423137
back to the Mae Brussell post link above:
" Michael Paine was a descendant of the Cabots on both sides. His cousin Thomas Dudley Cabot, former president of United Fruit, had offered their Gibraltar Steamship as a cover for the CIA during the Bay of Pigs. Another cousin was Alexander Cochrane Forbes, a director of United Fruit and trustee of Cabot, Cabot, and Forbes.
Both Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy were part of the United Fruit team. The Paine family had links with circles of the OSS and the CIA.
Ruth Hyde Paine maintained close ties with the Forbes families. Peter Dale Scott investigated the Paines, "the patrician Paine and Forbes families." A far cry from anybody's neighbor.
Michael's education came as a tradition, third generation physicist at Harvard before working for Bell Helicopter."
Now a relatively recent release of the Otto Skorzeny Papers has led to the release of this book: The Skorzeny Papers: Evidence for the Plot to Kill JFK
https://www.amazon.com/Skorzeny-Papers-Evidence-Plot-Kill/dp/1510708413
It is an interesting theory based on the ties to Clay Shaw (the primary target of James Garrison)
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It is an interesting theory based on the ties to Clay Shaw (the primary target of James Garrison)
Yeah...and it was a dead end rabbit hole. Clay Shaw was found not guilty...therefore don't we see... there was no conspiracy to kill JFK ::)
One of the earliest skeptics wrote in his book "How Kennedy Was Killed" [and this was post Garrison]
September 21, 1967, strikingly confirms every one of the charges I leveled against the Dallas police, time and again, in each of my six published books on the subject. As early as 1964, I openly accused the then Chief of Police, Jesse Curry, of complicity in the slaying of the President. My principal reason for making this grave charge was, at the time, an ill-considered statement made by Curry at a press conference on November 23. Asked why he had radioed instructions to surround and search the Texas School Book Depository immediately after the fatal shot had been fired, Curry said he could tell from the sound of the three shots that they had come from that building....... Joachim Joesten
That was not true. Curry ordered his men to the "railroad yards"
Have my office move all available men out of my office into the railroad yard to try to determine what happened in there and hold everything secure until Homicide and other investigators should get there.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm
Another failure to research their claims. It was Sgt Gerald Hill who circumvented that order by stating that he had this witness :-\
However, one thing Joesten got right...the cops were in on it up to their eyeballs. Which cops?... are mentioned so in this forum.
I don't think Curry was...he was just there to take the fall as chief of the Keystones.
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Conspicuously absent in The Skorzeny Papers are any substantial sub-headings detailing Cuban exiles, Allen Dulles, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or any of the genuine suspects of the JFK assassination, save for meanderings on James Angleton’s and Bill Harvey’s roles in the creation of Staff D, the CIA’s executive action arm. Ruth and Michael Paine are nowhere to be found. Neither is a description of the aborted Chicago plot, or any substantive explanation of how Lee Harvey Oswald was moved into the Texas School Book Depository, or a note about David Phillips’ role in the whole affair from his Mexico City station. While these very real aspects of the actual JFK plot are infrequently touched upon in passing—Ganis cannot ignore the entire body of evidence, despite his best efforts—he insists on crow-barring his newfound “primary source data” into a story that at this point doesn’t permit much unique interpretation. It’s safe to say, in 2018, that President Kennedy was assassinated by a domestic, military-industrial-intelligence apparatus that viewed his foreign policy as anathema to both the “winning” of the Cold War and to their image of the United States’ role in world affairs. That Kennedy was a staunch decolonization advocate, a friend and champion of Third World leaders like Sukarno in Indonesia, Nasser in Egypt, Lumumba in the Congo, and sought diplomatic solutions to prevent the impending nuclear Armageddon with Nikita Khrushchev’s Soviet Union is all but ignored in Ganis’ conclusions as to why JFK was shot in Dallas. None of it is suggested. What ultimately led to the tragedy in Dealey Plaza, according to Ganis, is something much bigger.
https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/major-ralph-p-ganis-the-skorzeny-papers-evidence-for-the-plot-to-kill-jfk
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Yeah...and it was a dead end rabbit hole. Clay Shaw was found not guilty...therefore don't we see... there was no conspiracy to kill JFK ::)
One of the earliest skeptics wrote in his book "How Kennedy Was Killed" [and this was post Garrison]
That was not true. Curry ordered his men to the "railroad yards" http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm
Another failure to research their claims. It was Sgt Gerald Hill who circumvented that order by stating that he had this witness :-\
However, one thing Joesten got right...the cops were in on it up to their eyeballs. Which cops?... are mentioned so in this forum.
I don't think Curry was...he was just there to take the fall as chief of the Keystones.
I don't think Curry was...he was just there to take the fall as chief of the Keystones.
Curry had to have been "in the loop"..... There was good reason that LBJ had Curry take him from Parkland to Love field where he commandeered President Kennedy's plane (AF-1) LBJ shunned the Secret Service because he knew Curry had "got the memo" and he was in the loop.
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There was good reason that LBJ had Curry take him from Parkland to Love field
Jesse Curry was a stooge and did what he was told. Johnson was that way with people.
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A tremendous post alright. The Rothschild Cartel conspiracy theory. The good old Illuminati conspiracy theory. Tremendous is the word for it. Wacky is the word that best describes it.
Bingo!
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http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html
from above:
Clay Shaw, who was charged by New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison with complicity in the JFK assassination, was a close friend of Hjalmar Schacht.
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It is an interesting theory based on the ties to Clay Shaw (the primary target of James Garrison)
John, some advice, slow your roll. Mixed signals do not strong conclusions make. Mae tended to detect Nazis almost everywhere. DiEugenio has had a good run,
but Garrison fooled even Joan Mellen, who was much better acquainted with Garrison than DiEugenio was.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinLemannStepsisterCarpenter.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-knckgt3ASNI/Vrd2i7xQ1aI/AAAAAAAACvc/m_y25b9LkuA/s512-Ic42/BaldwinFirstCousinCarpenter.jpg)
IOW, if DiEugenio refuses to even consider or discuss that Clay Shaw, his former Trademart PR guy, David Baldwin (Ms. Mellen's "CIA people") and Garrison were all keeping the same details confidential, how can you or I draw any reliable conclusions about who Garrison or Shaw were or what they were really up to?
Not an encouraging sign when DiEugenio does a "drive by" on you, instead of STFU until he can make a reasonable, well supported argument.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?17025-The-Crimes-of-Quillette&p=126009#post126009
Tom Scully posted 09-01-2019
Originally Posted by Jim DiEugenio View Post
Tom, I like you personally and I think you usually do good work and I defended you when people were attacking your approach at EF.
But I am at a loss to explain how you fell for Carpenter. This is a guy who writes for Max Holland.....
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Well, enough time has passed now to reliably observe that Jim did a "drive by" on me. (Imagine how different this might have gone down if he did not like me....)
Isn't another way of saying what Jim conveyed to me?Tom, I like you personally.... unfortunately you are stupid enough to fall for the pronouncements of Max Holland's lackey, Donald Carpenter...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger
"Shooting the messenger" is a metaphoric phrase used to describe the act of blaming the bearer of bad news.
Until the advent of modern telecommunication, messages were usually delivered by human envoys. For example, in war, a messenger would be sent from one camp to another. If the message was unfitting, the receiver might blame the messenger for such bad news and take their anger out on them....
Anybody else discern a double meaning in Edward Baldwin's televised aside to his first cousin's, Liz Ziegler's husband, Jim Garrison?
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006.
.......JOAN: – when (Atty Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people. Malcolm O’Hara is sitting there – he doesn’t know what hit him – and eventually Strate did not cooperate, and he went up there, and he attacked Sheridan – of course, Sheridan had immunity – nothing anyone could say about Sheridan whether in court, affidavits signed against Sheridan, Sheridan had immunity as a National Security Agency asset, cleared for FBI work, cleared for CIA work, working for the Department of Justice -…....
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/TV-Radio%20Transcripts%20From%20Trunzo%20Russ/WFLD-TV/67-07-11.pdf
(http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinEdwardGurvichJimsGotAfamily_1of2.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinEdwardGurvichJimsGotAfamily_2of2.jpg)
Pretty slow activity here lately. Summer doldrums. Lots more readers than posters.
Lotsa clamoring by late 1966 to reopen the Warren "investigation".... not so much after the Clay Shaw trial and verdict,
"brought to you by" one family... the matriarch of which was Mrs. Monte Lemann, aka Mildred Crumb Lemann...
Mildred had two stepsons, Stephen B Lemann and Thomas B Lemann. Thomas's son is Nicholas B. Lemann. Mildred had a daughter,
also named Mildred, AKA Mrs. David Baldwin. David had a brother. Edward Baldwin... The Baldwin brothers' mother was Mrs. Harry (nee Adele Xiegler) Raworth....
Zachary Sklar — Charlie Rose
https://charlierose.com/guests/11110
Lists all of Zachary Sklar's appearances on the Charlie Rose program on ... Nicholas Lemann, David Denby, and Zachary Sklar debate Oliver Stone's movie ...
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=124973#post124973
Originally Posted by Tom Scully
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Garrison's name and the name Mrs Harry Raworth, the mother of David and Edward Baldwin, appear in the 1968 obit of Harold Ziegler, father-in-law of Jim Garrison.:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/GarrisonHaroldZieglerObit.jpg)
Replying to
@lisapease
Another flaw in the Garrison research & writing of DiEugenio & Lisa Pease
https://jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2296.0.html
Nothing personal, Lisa, just some facts thought you should consider, still admire the bulk of your prodigious work over many years! What's up with Tulsi-JimDi?
And Paul, maybe you can share some pointers on how to weigh likelihood something like this is coincidental, or not.....
http://jfkforum.com/2017/10/01/are-we-there-yet-part-ii/
....Tom Scully on July 20, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
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Priscilla Johnson fully inserted herself into Marina’s life by late July, 1964, as Katya and Declan Ford did the hand off to Priscilla. Priscilla’s CIA handler was Garrison Garry Coit. Coit and Thomas Devine and 15 other Sigma Chi frat brothers cohabited in their frat house on MIT campus from fall, 1944. Coit went to Naval radio school in late Sept., Devine followed two weeks later.
Devine had nine contacts with DeMohrenschildt from late April, 1963 through late May. Devine and his close friend Joseph F Dryer, Jr. met separately with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles on 25 April, 1963.
In late Sept., 1964, Priscilla put herself and Marina under the domicile and hospitality of her first cousin David C. Davenport, later described by Sam Ballen as a former CIA man. Davenport’s obit refers to his intelligence work.
In December, 1964, news and FBI reports describe Marina and Priscilla residing in a Sedona, AZ apartment, transported and escorted by Jerome Hastings, close friend of Davenport, driving Davenport’s Corvair with Alaska plates. In July, 1965, Davenport and Hastings are sued in New Mexico by Hasting’s step-daughter, JoAnn McAdams,
first cousin of presidential assistant Clark Clifford. The suit describes Hastings as then second husband of Clifford’s aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams Hasty. In 1966, Jerome Hasty legally changed his name in New Mexico to Hastings.
At this link, I have documented that in 1978 HSCA counsel asked Priscilla Johnson Macmillan why her book, “Marina and Lee” was delayed at least a dozen years. See http://archive.is/esTuB
One excuse Priscilla offered was that she had experienced a bad period in which her father was a concealed suicide.
The last person reported to see Priscilla’s father Stuart alive and who reported him as missing to Locust Valley, LI police was James A. Thomas, a cousin of Allen Dulles whose sister Eleanor Lansing Thomas was maid of honor in Clover Dulles’s wedding.
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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102334174
Louise Wolcott Hooker Dodge – First cousin of Senator Jay (John D IV) Rockefeller’s grandfather Elon Huntington Hooker,
and grandmother of Thomas J. Devine.
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In this "Bush book," blurb, Bush is thanking Devine, as well as "Bemis," who was actually Bush best friend Fitzgerald Gerry Bemiss, who matched the background description in Billy's 1977 letter to President Carter, of the advisor to Henry Hurt about how to put the screws to Billy Joe Lord if Billy refused to cooperate with Hurt.
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global ...
https://books.google.com (https://books.google.com/books?id=jRvdwoKQOgQC&pg=PA311&lpg=PA311&dq=bush+china+diary+devine+bemis&source=bl&ots=u8_sBXKI6w&sig=ACfU3U1YlLz87lyZuOGQhzxeueBfheHQeg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwio5NK49ozmAhUOmuAKHdPAB4oQ6AEwAXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=bush%20china%20diary%20devine%20bemis&f=false) › books
Jeffrey A. Engel - 2011 - History
Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know now is to do the best job one can here. There is no ...
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I don't mind this reply to the remarks of Mr. Pesa....but, why--THE DICKENS--would you copy the ENTIRE body of his remarks? Why not just a small section, to which you are replying?!! Having to wade through what amounts to about FOUR pages is kinda crazy. :-[
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A version of my post adapted/written by a dear and mutual friend:
from Coup d'etat 1963 by John Pesa (JFK Assassination Forums post)
A man who sat on the Warren Commission and whose name is old news for those who study Cold War spying, Allen Dulles, enjoyed a certain intimacy with the accused, Lee Oswald, and also with a senior member of German High Command, Adolf Hitler, with whom he met for Schroeder Bank in 1933 to forgive his campaign debts. A lover of Dulles, Mary Bancroft was a very close friend of Ruth Forbes Paine, whose son, Michael, had Oswald's rifle in his garage. Oswald went to the Paine residence once a week to visit his wife, who was boarding there, not to visit his rifle. It could easily have been moved without his knowing.
The Warren Report was a publication, not an investigation. It had more in common with Life Magazine than the records of a homicide bureau. The fact that it was discarded by real investigators as pulp fiction has not saved us from the legacy of a family friend's advice column. Life Magazine had a holding interest in the matter of Clare Boothe Luce, the owner Henry Luce's wife. Clare was also a lover of Dulles, a spymaster with whom Jacqueline Kennedy was a confidante, and the author of a scandalizing Broadway smash hit play, "The Women."
While Henry Luce purchased, suppressed, and tampered with for publication, the A.Z. film of the murder, Clare circulated a profile of Oswald provided by George Joannides, who handled the Cuban Student Directorate that he said Oswald joined as a spy. It was a CIA funded group providing Clare with her woman's day journal material, a fraternal paper feed, sort of like a church-friendly council get-together and tell-all. Naturally, attempts to bureaucratize the information to evaluate for substance and by source were pooh-poohed as irresponsible journalism by spoilers with an agenda, yakking their paranoid theories, to gleeful giggles on-stage.
People do not like going mad. What is sometimes called The Kennedy Curse is actually targeting of their family by the Reich to shatter the mind of America and demoralize our victory. In this sense, the Kennedy Curse is a curse on the United States of America, but more importantly a hex, with riddles of a hexagram expounded, against any attempt to disclose or inform. The anti-Kennedy hex now rules.
Clare Boothe Luce was a descendant of John Wilkes Booth, who did in a different Abraham than the one who profited from her husband's acquisition. The Paine Family, who were given a public image by the Warren Magazine as sincere Quakers caught up suddenly in a mess that they were helping America straighten out, should have been reviewed the way Mary Surratt was investigated for her role in the murder of Lincoln. Nothing of the sort transpired. To this day, even the most determined and honest Kennedy researchers are known to avert their eyes from significant patterns.
It is as though it is too much to consider that gossip columnists who preferred the Reich, from which Ingrid Bergman came, triumphed by lady's will.
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Well said, Jerry. :)
BTW, this is Dr. Thomas Halle, a medical professional since 1990, and a member of the Research Community for at least forty years. My unpublished MS is "Treason and Treachery in 1963."
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Bingo!
Not to Iacolletti. You have to prove to him that the Illuminati/Rothschild/Federal Reserve power brokers who really run the world didn't kill JFK. He won't accept evidence - any - of Oswald's guilt but will consider this absolute paranoid nonsense.
It is odd: the theory is that all of these powerful groups who run the country, if not the world, had to stop JFK because something or other. They run the world, they have control of the levers of power but JFK had to be stopped because...well, something or other. Vietnam, the gold standard, aliens, the MIC...something.
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Not to Iacolletti. You have to prove to him that the Illuminati/Rothschild/Federal Reserve power brokers who really run the world didn't kill JFK. He won't accept evidence - any - of Oswald's guilt but will consider this absolute paranoid nonsense.
What the hell are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about considering anything about Illuminati/Rothschild/Federal Reserve?
And what “evidence of Oswald’s guilt” do you mean?
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Not to Iacolletti. You have to prove to him that the Illuminati/Rothschild/Federal Reserve power brokers who really run the world didn't kill JFK. He won't accept evidence - any - of Oswald's guilt but will consider this absolute paranoid nonsense.
It is odd: the theory is that all of these powerful groups who run the country, if not the world, had to stop JFK because something or other. They run the world, they have control of the levers of power but JFK had to be stopped because...well, something or other. Vietnam, the gold standard, aliens, the MIC...something.
Steve M.,
Even though Oswald probably killed JFK all by him widdle self, what you've listed above is what the KGB wanted us to believe.
Ask yourself: Why did (already distrusted by CIA due to what he'd said in Geneva in June, 1962) false-defector Yuri Nosenko volunteer to the CIA in January, 1964, the highly implausible information that the KGB had had nothing whatsoever to do with Marine Corps radar operator Oswald during the 2.5 years he lived in the USSR, if not to get the CIA to take him to the U.S. for further questioning, to serve as a "conversation starter" of sorts, and to get us wishful-thinking Americans on his side, or at least the ones in CIA and the FBI -- which turned out to be a brilliant strategy on the part of the KGB, especially since it had programmed Nosenko to not "break" under harsh CIA interrogation (which he very nearly did, btw).
Ask yourself, also, why did triple-agent Boris Orehkov (FBI's SHAMROCK) tell the FBI in 1966 that the KGB had undertaken a six-month investigation of the assassination right after it happened, which alleged investigation allegedly concluded that JFK was killed by a consortium of Southern Oilmen and the Minutemen, or some-such thing.
Hmm, ... or was it the Military Industrial intelligence Community Complex in general ?
-- MWT ;)