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Title: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Margaret Kelly on December 28, 2019, 11:50:23 PM
I think i read somewhere that it took 1 minute (or something like that) to travel up (or down) the full 7 floors. So that would be about 10 seconds to travel 1 floor. But i can't find that source anywhere.

Does anyone know?

P.S. Was there a dividing wall between the 2 freight elevators (ie when the work crew were racing the elevators down, could the crew in the west elevator see the crew in the east elevator and visa-versa)?

Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: John Mytton on December 29, 2019, 03:22:15 AM
I think i read somewhere that it took 1 minute (or something like that) to travel up (or down) the full 7 floors. So that would be about 10 seconds to travel 1 floor. But i can't find that source anywhere.

Does anyone know?

P.S. Was there a dividing wall between the 2 freight elevators (ie when the work crew were racing the elevators down, could the crew in the west elevator see the crew in the east elevator and visa-versa)?

Weren't you buying boxes to make your very own Sniper's Nest, what happened? and do you have any photographs of what you did?

JohnM
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: John Iacoletti on December 29, 2019, 05:43:00 AM
P.S. Was there a dividing wall between the 2 freight elevators (ie when the work crew were racing the elevators down, could the crew in the west elevator see the crew in the east elevator and visa-versa)?

No, the openings faced opposite directions.
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Colin Crow on December 29, 2019, 06:06:01 AM
I believe the speed of the elevators to be about 10 seconds per floor. Billie Lovelady suggested to to be about half that but a test conducted by the SS (or FBI, can’t remember) indicated he was in error. There may have been a thin open strip above eyeline between the two. I think that was suggested in Truly's testimony.
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Margaret Kelly on December 29, 2019, 06:44:47 PM
I believe the speed of the elevators to be about 10 seconds per floor. Billie Lovelady suggested to to be about half that but a test conducted by the SS (or FBI, can’t remember) indicated he was in error. There may have been a thin open strip above eyeline between the two. I think that was suggested in Truly's testimony.

Thanks. I must keep a look out for that SS or FBI report. It's not in the Warren Report from what i can see. Not in the main part of the report anyway.
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 30, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
Thanks. I must keep a look out for that SS or FBI report. It's not in the Warren Report from what i can see. Not in the main part of the report anyway.

The original-manufacture specs for elevators should be available online
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Margaret Kelly on January 01, 2020, 01:46:28 AM
The original-manufacture specs for elevators should be available online

But the elevators as they were on Nov 22nd 1963, might not have been operating at the same pace as they were when originally installed (just like horses escape from a cars engine).

The online document "The Ups and Downs of the TSBD" does not cover the speed of the elevators. Does anyone know any document that has researched these freight elevators in detail?
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Bill Chapman on January 01, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
But the elevators as they were on Nov 22nd 1963, might not have been operating at the same pace as they were when originally installed (just like horses escape from a cars engine).

The online document "The Ups and Downs of the TSBD" does not cover the speed of the elevators. Does anyone know any document that has researched these freight elevators in detail?

I read somewhere that in 1963 a new elevator was installed from floors 1-4, meant for office staff
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Colin Crow on January 01, 2020, 11:47:42 PM
I read somewhere that in 1963 a new elevator was installed from floors 1-4, meant for office staff

Yes, and the passenger elevator in the NE corner was twice as fast.
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Colin Crow on January 08, 2020, 01:12:00 AM
I found my algebraic workings from some years back regarding determination of the various timings provided in WCD5 provided here....

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=123&tab=page (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=123&tab=page)

I was in error in my recollection earlier in the thread.

Time for the passenger elevator to come up 4 floors = 19 seconds  down was 13 seconds         
The freight elevator up 5 floors was between 36 seconds - 38 seconds. Just over 7 seconds per floor.
Time to travel 5 flights of stairs was 33 seconds......ie a bit faster than taking the elevator.      
Title: Re: How long did it take for the freight elevators to traverse 1 floor of the TSBD?
Post by: Colin Crow on January 08, 2020, 01:13:51 AM

I found my algebraic workings from some years back regarding determination of the various timings provided in WCD5 provided here....

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=123&tab=page (https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=123&tab=page)

I was in error in my recollection earlier in the thread about the speed of the freight elevator.

Time for the passenger elevator to come up 4 floors = 19 seconds  down was 13 seconds....ie.faster than the freight elevator.         
The freight elevator up 5 floors was between 36 seconds - 38 seconds. Just over 7 seconds per floor.
Time to travel 5 flights of stairs was 33 seconds......ie a bit faster than taking the elevator.