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Title: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 22, 2019, 04:09:52 AM
Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy, so far it could be The Dallas Police or Hoover or The CIA or some sort of rogue element or the military or basically anybody but Oswald, but why is no one bright enough to figure this out, surely with the thousands of enthusiasts someone has to stumble into some solid evidence, where is it?
Why has nobody even come close to exposing any conspiracy, is it because it was Oswald and all the evidence just fits?
Anyway, if someone knows something and can back this up with proof then let's hear it, or otherwise your time is running out and I'm afraid without some decent evidence history will forever find Oswald guilty of killing two men. That's just how it works.

JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 22, 2019, 04:56:40 AM
Never mind a conspiracy. 56 years later, and there’s still no proof that Oswald killed Kennedy. Just assumptions and rhetoric.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 22, 2019, 05:06:47 AM
CTers say 'hearsay'
LNers say 'see/say'

The CT crowd has cornered the market on paranoia
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 22, 2019, 05:54:47 AM
Never mind a conspiracy. 56 years later, and there’s still no proof that Oswald killed Kennedy. Just assumptions and rhetoric.

You said it yourself, all the evidence leads to Oswald and if it wasn't Oswald then all the incriminating evidence must have come about somehow?
You dispute the evidence, call cops liars, say eyewitnesses were mistaken etc, so this all by itself should lead you to some sort of conclusion, why waste your time with someone who you know "still has no proof of guilt".
Surely playing Oswald's defence attorney year after year must get a little tiresome whereas being a LNer, knowing the truth and observing you Kooks trying all your crazy/silly/ridiculous/pathetic arguments is an interesting study of Paranoia.

JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Brown on November 22, 2019, 05:56:57 AM
All of the physical evidence that exists points to Oswald and no one else.  No physical evidence exists which points to anyone other than Oswald.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on November 22, 2019, 09:12:14 AM
All of the physical evidence that exists points to Oswald and no one else.  No physical evidence exists which points to anyone other than Oswald.

But...... but........ haven't you been listening to Judyth Baker and her Conventioneers?  Surely all of them can't be wrong.....  I wonder if she went to Groden's wedding?   LOL !!!!
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 22, 2019, 03:45:22 PM
You said it yourself, all the evidence leads to Oswald and if it wasn't Oswald then all the incriminating evidence must have come about somehow?
You dispute the evidence, call cops liars, say eyewitnesses were mistaken etc, so this all by itself should lead you to some sort of conclusion, why waste your time with someone who you know "still has no proof of guilt".

In reality it is you who calls assumptions and rhetoric “evidence”, cherry-picks witnesses, and assumes that if a cop says something, it therefore must be true.

If you think your case is closed, why do you waste your time trying to make it over and over?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 22, 2019, 03:48:51 PM
All of the physical evidence that exists points to Oswald and no one else.  No physical evidence exists which points to anyone other than Oswald.

What little physical evidence there is, is all questionable or tainted in some way. Which is why the “Oswald did it” evangelists either refuse to enumerate it at all or they misrepresent it.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jim Brunsman on November 22, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
Actually, there's plenty of proof from the autopsy that Oswald could not possibly have acted alone. Witnesses describe Humes probing the back wound and finding no exit. That alone kills the lone nut scenario. Ask the Parkland and Bethesda witnesses where the head wound was. If the shooter from behind hit the president's head, we would see a violent motion forward, right? Instead, all the films show a violent "back and to the left" motion and a wound in the lower right portion of the President's head. That is totally incompatible with a head shot from behind. Sorry lone nutters, but if Oswald was the assassin, all the facts would come together easily. Instead, we have evidence of multiple shooters and trying to force Arlen Specter's boneheaded theory into the history books is an atrocity. The truth is much more complex. The fact that the real killers escaped is hard to accept. But these were professional killers who had a plan and executed it very well.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 22, 2019, 05:16:23 PM
Actually, there's plenty of proof from the autopsy that Oswald could not possibly have acted alone. Witnesses describe Humes probing the back wound and finding no exit. That alone kills the lone nut scenario. Ask the Parkland and Bethesda witnesses where the head wound was. If the shooter from behind hit the president's head, we would see a violent motion forward, right? Instead, all the films show a violent "back and to the left" motion and a wound in the lower right portion of the President's head. That is totally incompatible with a head shot from behind. Sorry lone nutters, but if Oswald was the assassin, all the facts would come together easily. Instead, we have evidence of multiple shooters and trying to force Arlen Specter's boneheaded theory into the history books is an atrocity. The truth is much more complex. The fact that the real killers escaped is hard to accept. But these were professional killers who had a plan and executed it very well.

Actually Jim, Kennedy's head initially moves forward and away from Oswald's rifle.

JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Michael Walton on November 22, 2019, 05:28:10 PM
All of the physical evidence that exists points to Oswald and no one else.  No physical evidence exists which points to anyone other than Oswald.

That's what it's supposed to do, Bill. Surely you didn't think the government was going to publish anything other than what they did when they all had their marching orders? Duh!

Here's one of my all-time favorite photos. The official investigation has begun. Investigators have marked the Kennedy stand-in's back and we're in Dealey Plaza to boot. The marks on the back are based on the measurements from the official autopsy and all are very accurate.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during this reenactment listening in:

GMan 1: "How in the hell was that back shot [which was a shallow wound and no through and through exit per the autopsy] supposed to come out his neck like we got it marked here?"

GMan 2: "Beats me."

LOLOLOL!

But of course you and others, Bill, will continue to keep that old wool over your eyes because...why? Most probably because you simply don't like the Kennedys. It's the old bias, Bill. LOLOLOL!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4gdWxEAnONc/XdgYq04sAqI/AAAAAAAAFdE/5vYcXgq0EgU1pGsHfVT67PHfvbXREt7JQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1964_FBI_REENACTMENT_color4.jpg)
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jim Brunsman on November 22, 2019, 06:21:52 PM
The head moves forward so slightly, you can barely detect it. Why are you ignoring the much more violent "back and to the left" motion? If Oswald is the sole assassin, why isn't there any evidence of a frontal exit on JFK's body?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 22, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
Oswald: I'm innocent.
JudgeJohnny: Okay, you can go, my darling.
Oswald: Well, that's it... it's all over now.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on November 22, 2019, 06:59:49 PM
That's what it's supposed to do, Bill. Surely you didn't think the government was going to publish anything other than what they did when they all had their marching orders? Duh!

Here's one of my all-time favorite photos. The official investigation has begun. Investigators have marked the Kennedy stand-in's back and we're in Dealey Plaza to boot. The marks on the back are based on the measurements from the official autopsy and all are very accurate.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during this reenactment listening in:

GMan 1: "How in the hell was that back shot [which was a shallow wound and no through and through exit per the autopsy] supposed to come out his neck like we got it marked here?"

GMan 2: "Beats me."

LOLOLOL!

But of course you and others, Bill, will continue to keep that old wool over your eyes because...why? Most probably because you simply don't like the Kennedys. It's the old bias, Bill. LOLOLOL!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4gdWxEAnONc/XdgYq04sAqI/AAAAAAAAFdE/5vYcXgq0EgU1pGsHfVT67PHfvbXREt7JQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1964_FBI_REENACTMENT_color4.jpg)

You lot are much more likely to harbour dislike for the Kennedy's, given your rabid support for the only man on the face of the planet known to have been Johnny-on-the-spot at both murder scenes.  It boggles the mind that that fact would not give one pause.

Oh, wait..
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jack Trojan on November 22, 2019, 07:09:37 PM
Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy, so far it could be The Dallas Police or Hoover or The CIA or some sort of rogue element or the military or basically anybody but Oswald, but why is no one bright enough to figure this out, surely with the thousands of enthusiasts someone has to stumble into some solid evidence, where is it?
Why has nobody even come close to exposing any conspiracy, is it because it was Oswald and all the evidence just fits?
Anyway, if someone knows something and can back this up with proof then let's hear it, or otherwise your time is running out and I'm afraid without some decent evidence history will forever find Oswald guilty of killing two men. That's just how it works.

JohnM

As usual, John Iacoletti is spot on. If LHO was a LN assassin then surely there would be a smoking gun by now, so where is it? Instead there's a crapload of contradictions, excuses and cover ups. For example, I asked you in another thread, which as usual you conveniently ignored, who gave JFK a haircut during the autopsy?

(https://i.postimg.cc/wTjzYtMq/JFKAutopsy-Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0N8FDFS8/JFKBOH.gif)

Mytton tell me why we are looking at the same person in your 2 morphs.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jerry Organ on November 22, 2019, 08:01:13 PM
As usual, John Iacoletti is spot on. If LHO was a LN assassin then surely there would be a smoking gun by now, so where is it? Instead there's a crapload of contradictions, excuses and cover ups. For example, I asked you in another thread, which as usual you conveniently ignored, who gave JFK a haircut during the autopsy?

Mytton tell me why we are looking at the same person in your 2 morphs.

"Autopsy Haircut"  :P

(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184590/m1/1/med_res/)  (https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184612/m1/1/small_res/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wTjzYtMq/JFKAutopsy-Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)

Long on top
  (https://i.postimg.cc/0N8FDFS8/JFKBOH.gif)

Short at back
 
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jack Trojan on November 22, 2019, 08:07:55 PM
Horsespombleprofglidnoctobuns!  :D

(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184612/m1/1/small_res/)(https://i.postimg.cc/0N8FDFS8/JFKBOH.gif)

No fricken way is that JFK! Any barber will tell you that.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 22, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
Oswald: I'm innocent.
JudgeJohnny: Okay, you can go, my darling.
Oswald: Well, that's it... it's all over now.

Never gets old.

Judge Billy: what evidence do you have that Oswald killed Kennedy.
Prosecutor: <crickets>
Judge Billy: I don’t care, because I’m 100% sure he probably did it.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 22, 2019, 08:19:49 PM
You lot are much more likely to harbour dislike for the Kennedy's, given your rabid support for the only man on the face of the planet known to have been Johnny-on-the-spot at both murder scenes.  It boggles the mind that that fact would not give one pause.

“Known to have been”. LOL.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 22, 2019, 09:03:43 PM
"Autopsy Haircut"  :P

(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184590/m1/1/med_res/)  (https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184612/m1/1/small_res/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wTjzYtMq/JFKAutopsy-Morphsmallermoreframes.gif)

Long on top
  (https://i.postimg.cc/0N8FDFS8/JFKBOH.gif)

Short at back
 

Agreed, Kennedy had longer hair on top, which is just wet in the back of head shot, I think it's been so long since these guys have had hair they forget what happens when it gets wet..
And it seems that the photos either represent one man with a haircut or two dead men, why use two men, WHY?

JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jack Trojan on November 22, 2019, 09:32:05 PM
Agreed, Kennedy had longer hair on top, which is just wet in the back of head shot, I think it's been so long since these guys have had hair they forget what happens when it gets wet..
And it seems that the photos either represent one man with a haircut or two dead men, why use two men, WHY?

JohnM

Wet hair somehow shortens it?  Have another look then fade away gracefully. You lose, loser. :D
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 22, 2019, 10:01:23 PM
Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy, so far it could be The Dallas Police or Hoover or The CIA or some sort of rogue element or the military or basically anybody but Oswald, but why is no one bright enough to figure this out, surely with the thousands of enthusiasts someone has to stumble into some solid evidence, where is it?
Why has nobody even come close to exposing any conspiracy, is it because it was Oswald and all the evidence just fits?
Anyway, if someone knows something and can back this up with proof then let's hear it, or otherwise your time is running out and I'm afraid without some decent evidence history will forever find Oswald guilty of killing two men. That's just how it works.

JohnM

Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy,

If you don't know...It's because you don't want to know...      There's a mountain of evidence that illuminates the truth, but you prefer to remain in the dark.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 22, 2019, 10:02:35 PM
Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy,

If you don't know...It's because you don't want to know...      There's a mountain of evidence that illuminates the truth, but you prefer to remain in the dark.

Awesome finally someone who knows, who did it and why?

JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Patrick Jackson on November 22, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
56 years ago, "Caroline" plane landed on a small airfield in Florida. He spent the rest of his life in the Winter White House, fighting with all his illneses, suraunded by his family.

56 years later Oswald deserves new investigation.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Paul May on November 23, 2019, 12:31:36 AM
My friend Gary Mack often said “ there may have been a conspiracy to kill JFK but I can’t prove it nor can anybody else”. Truer than ever 56 years later.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 23, 2019, 04:06:57 AM
Quote
56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
The proof lies in everybody's lies.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Colin Crow on November 23, 2019, 04:33:57 AM
Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy, so far it could be The Dallas Police or Hoover or The CIA or some sort of rogue element or the military or basically anybody but Oswald, but why is no one bright enough to figure this out, surely with the thousands of enthusiasts someone has to stumble into some solid evidence, where is it?
Why has nobody even come close to exposing any conspiracy, is it because it was Oswald and all the evidence just fits?
Anyway, if someone knows something and can back this up with proof then let's hear it, or otherwise your time is running out and I'm afraid without some decent evidence history will forever find Oswald guilty of killing two men. That's just how it works.

JohnM

(https://i.ibb.co/CQxPFZJ/4-AA5212-A-BC3-A-45-F1-8-C9-A-FF22-D8-CBC446.jpg)

 https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/)

Seems not a great change over the generations. 56 years and still about 2:1 that don’t accept the WC narrative. who will eventually prevail, HSCA or WC?

I feel your frustration.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Brown on November 23, 2019, 07:43:32 AM
But...... but........ haven't you been listening to Judyth Baker and her Conventioneers?  Surely all of them can't be wrong.....  I wonder if she went to Groden's wedding?   LOL !!!!

Ha.  That's some crazy stuff.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Brown on November 23, 2019, 07:46:23 AM
Oswald: I'm innocent.
JudgeJohnny: Okay, you can go, my darling.
Oswald: Well, that's it... it's all over now.

LOL
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 23, 2019, 08:21:37 AM

Seems not a great change over the generations. 56 years and still about 2:1 that don’t accept the WC narrative. who will eventually prevail, HSCA or WC?

I feel your frustration.

C'mon Colin, it's a poll asking the general population what they believe, what do they know? In fact I reckon half of this Forum doesn't have a clue about the evidence.

12 average people heard the evidence in the London Trial and they found Oswald guilty. Gerry Spence put up a good fight and was very very good and he used the "We just don't know what happened" defence, the same defence it seems being used by the majority of CT's and this is why it doesn't work, people want a narrative and they want a bad guy but the JFK CT's are far too scattered hence the broad Gerry Spence defence which was his downfall.


JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Martin Weidmann on November 23, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
C'mon Colin, it's a poll asking the general population what they believe, what do they know? In fact I reckon half of this Forum doesn't have a clue about the evidence.

12 average people heard the evidence in the London Trial and they found Oswald guilty. Gerry Spence put up a good fight and was very very good and he used the "We just don't know what happened" defence, the same defence it seems being used by the majority of CT's and this is why it doesn't work, people want a narrative and they want a bad guy but the JFK CT's are far too scattered hence the broad Gerry Spence defence which was his downfall.


JohnM

people want a narrative and they want a bad guy

For some people this is absolutely true. For them a simple narrative, even a flawed one, is easier to comprehend and accept than a frightning unresolved nefarious alternative. A simple story (true or false) is comforting to them as it allows them to not ask the hard questions. Some people don't want the truth, they just want to ease their minds.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 23, 2019, 02:49:58 PM
In reality it is you who calls assumptions and rhetoric “evidence”, cherry-picks witnesses, and assumes that if a cop says something, it therefore must be true.

If you think your case is closed, why do you waste your time trying to make it over and over?

If you think your case is closed, why do you waste your time trying to make it over and over?

The obvious answer:.....  The LNer's know the official tale has as many holes as Swiss cheese.   They can present no evidence that can't be solidly refuted.

Lee Oswald denied killing anybody, and told the whole world that he was being railroaded when he proclaimed " I'm just a patsy"
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Colin Crow on November 23, 2019, 02:51:30 PM
C'mon Colin, it's a poll asking the general population what they believe, what do they know? In fact I reckon half of this Forum doesn't have a clue about the evidence.

12 average people heard the evidence in the London Trial and they found Oswald guilty. Gerry Spence put up a good fight and was very very good and he used the "We just don't know what happened" defence, the same defence it seems being used by the majority of CT's and this is why it doesn't work, people want a narrative and they want a bad guy but the JFK CT's are far too scattered hence the broad Gerry Spence defence which was his downfall.


JohnM

And yet we see the vast majority still don't accept the lone nut theory. Even those who were not alive at the time of the event....don’t those people want a bad guy narrative?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Paul May on November 23, 2019, 03:17:12 PM
I watched multiple news stations this November 22nd and saw no stories on this 56th anniversary. Has it slid into history at this point? Did anybody see news of the anniversary?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Martin Weidmann on November 23, 2019, 03:32:17 PM
I watched multiple news stations this November 22nd and saw no stories on this 56th anniversary. Has it slid into history at this point? Did anybody see news of the anniversary?

Blame Trump and his cronies. All their mischief sucks up all media attention.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 23, 2019, 04:11:18 PM
people want a narrative and they want a bad guy

For some people this is absolutely true. For them a simple narrative, even a flawed one, is easier to comprehend and accept than a frightning unresolved nefarious alternative. A simple story (true or false) is comforting to them as it allows them to not ask the hard questions. Some people don't want the truth, they just want to ease their minds.

Well said, Martin.....   The vast majority of Americans obviously don't buy the conclusions proffered in the US Government's tale which is commonly called "The Warren Report".    But that same government has created and  spread so much BS that the good citizens are at a loss to know what is true and what is BS.    Some really simple minds, like a couple of well known poster's in this forum, just want to believe in the good Fairy Godmother's  offering and live happily ever after.     
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Robert Doane on November 23, 2019, 05:15:35 PM
I was watching for something but didn't catch anything on television on the news, I did see online there is a FOX affiliate from Mobile, AL was having a weeklong series called Gulfcoast connection to the JFK assassination with a story every night.


Paraphrasing Vince Salandria, he wrote that the assassination cover story and its details were transparent or flimsy on purpose with those responsible not worried. Maybe like a bad parent lying to a child with no worries of repercussion.



Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 23, 2019, 07:29:21 PM
I was watching for something but didn't catch anything on television on the news, I did see online there is a FOX affiliate from Mobile, AL was having a weeklong series called Gulfcoast connection to the JFK assassination with a story every night.


Paraphrasing Vince Salandria, he wrote that the assassination cover story and its details were transparent or flimsy on purpose with those responsible not worried. Maybe like a bad parent lying to a child with no worries of repercussion.

like a bad parent lying to a child with no worries of repercussion.

An apt analogy Mr Doane.....    They knew when they were plotting the coup d e'tat that the majority of Americans had been indoctrinated to worship their ol Unca Sam and they would be very reluctant to believe he was a wolf in sheep's wool........
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Walt Cakebread on November 24, 2019, 12:25:56 AM
Actually, there's plenty of proof from the autopsy that Oswald could not possibly have acted alone. Witnesses describe Humes probing the back wound and finding no exit. That alone kills the lone nut scenario. Ask the Parkland and Bethesda witnesses where the head wound was. If the shooter from behind hit the president's head, we would see a violent motion forward, right? Instead, all the films show a violent "back and to the left" motion and a wound in the lower right portion of the President's head. That is totally incompatible with a head shot from behind. Sorry lone nutters, but if Oswald was the assassin, all the facts would come together easily. Instead, we have evidence of multiple shooters and trying to force Arlen Specter's boneheaded theory into the history books is an atrocity. The truth is much more complex. The fact that the real killers escaped is hard to accept. But these were professional killers who had a plan and executed it very well.

The fact that the real killers escaped is hard to accept. But these were professional killers who had a plan and executed it very well.

Do you believe the FBI was so inept that they couldn't solve the crime?.... Or is it probable that Hoover's henchmen were the killer's.....

Those "professional killer's" couldn't miss with Hoover and LBJ backing them and feeding lies to the news media......
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 24, 2019, 04:07:26 PM
people want a narrative and they want a bad guy

. . . whether it’s true or not.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Mytton on November 24, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
. . . whether it’s true or not.

You've had more than half a century to come up with an alternate narrative, how much longer do we have to wait?

JohnM
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on November 24, 2019, 05:10:33 PM
You've had more than half a century to come up with an alternate narrative, how much longer do we have to wait?

Otherwise, your narrative is just automatically true?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jon Banks on November 25, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
We still can’t prove there was a Conspiracy, nor can it be proven that there wasn’t a Conspiracy...
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jerry Freeman on November 25, 2019, 07:00:27 PM
You've had more than half a century to come up with an alternate narrative, how much longer do we have to wait?
Nonsense. The alternative?---The official story is an obviously conjured up concoction of crap.  Who cares if you 'have to wait'?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jack Trojan on November 25, 2019, 07:10:02 PM
You've had more than half a century to come up with an alternate narrative, how much longer do we have to wait?

JohnM

There are dozens of alternate narratives which are all more feasible than the lone nut hypothesis. You just don't like them because you are a diehard LNer. Besides, it is you LNers that have to prove the LN narrative, not the other way around. The official gov position is represented by the HSCA, not the WC.

You would think that after 1/2 a century that the LNers would have nailed this one down by now. But all they have are excuses, contradictions and obfuscations. So Mytton, where's the beef?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 08, 2019, 07:08:05 AM
Never gets old.

Judge Billy: what evidence do you have that Oswald killed Kennedy.
Prosecutor: <crickets>
Judge Billy: I don’t care, because I’m 100% sure he probably did it.

JudgeJohnny: My darling Lee, did you brutally murder JFK and/or Officer Tippit?
Mr. Oswald: It wasn't that brutal... I'M JUST A PATSY!!... oops... I mean no, Your Nothingness, I'm innocent
JudgeJohnny: You must be, because you said so. You're free to go.
Mr. Oswald: [SMIRKS]
JudgeJohnny: Sweetheart, would you care to join me a for Dr. Pepper, dearest?
Mr. Oswald: Stay away from me, creep.
JudgeJohnny:   :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on December 08, 2019, 02:30:14 PM
It only took you two weeks to come up with that lame one. Don’t give up your day job.

Never in my life have I come across somebody so utterly ignorant about the concept of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Jerry Freeman on December 08, 2019, 11:04:53 PM
Dallas DA Henry Wade... "He [Oswald] must have been planning this for weeks..even months." (Media interview)
FBI SA James Hosty [testimony before the Warren Commission] ...
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Hosty testified that he did not know until the evening of Thursday November 21, that there was to be a motorcade and never realized that the motorcade would pass the Texas School Book Depository Building.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 09, 2019, 02:41:29 AM
“Known to have been”. LOL.

Um, witnesses..
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 09, 2019, 03:05:24 AM

It only took you two weeks to come up with that lame one
> Another presumption on your part

Never in my life have I come across somebody so utterly ignorant about the concept of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
> Never have I come across someone so utterly egotistical that he cannot imagine himself ever being mocked.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on December 09, 2019, 04:06:06 AM
Um, witnesses..

Um, biased, unfair lineups..
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on December 09, 2019, 04:07:13 AM
> Never have I come across someone so utterly egotistical that he cannot imagine himself ever being mocked.

You just suck at mockery. And comedy.
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 09, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
Um, biased, unfair lineups..

Um, no jacket on Oswald in any lineup
Any long-sleeved shirt on Oswald in any lineup, Cowboy?
The other guys were same height as ProbablyOswald

Anyway, why the hell would you want Oswald dressed as he was @Tippit?
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 09, 2019, 06:53:40 PM
You just suck at mockery. And comedy.

 :'(
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: John Iacoletti on December 10, 2019, 05:45:48 AM
Um, no jacket on Oswald in any lineup

As if that somehow makes it fair.

 ::)
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Thomas Graves on December 10, 2019, 05:59:45 AM
Here we are 56 years later and we still have no idea who was behind the conspiracy, so far it could be The Dallas Police or Hoover or The CIA or some sort of rogue element or the military or basically anybody but Oswald, but why is no one bright enough to figure this out, surely with the thousands of enthusiasts someone has to stumble into some solid evidence, where is it?
Why has nobody even come close to exposing any conspiracy, is it because it was Oswald and all the evidence just fits?
Anyway, if someone knows something and can back this up with proof then let's hear it, or otherwise your time is running out and I'm afraid without some decent evidence history will forever find Oswald guilty of killing two men. That's just how it works.

JohnM

John,

It could have been anybody except for Lee Harvey Oswald, Nikita Khrushchev or Fidel Castro.

I personally believe about one thousand people in the evil, evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex were involved in the cover up, alone!

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: 56 years later and still no proof of a conspiracy.
Post by: Bill Chapman on December 10, 2019, 06:15:52 AM
As if that somehow makes it fair.

 ::)

It was an opportunity for Oswald to use his head.

But Ok, put him in a jacket. Might as well remind them that he had a long-sleeved shirt on @Tippit as well
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