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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Bill Brown on October 27, 2019, 09:24:27 AM
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Jack Ruby's hat on the floor of the police basement.
I thought some members would like to see this photo (AP).....
(https://i.imgur.com/ZeUbUwC.jpg)
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Jack Ruby's hat on the floor of the police basement.
I thought some members would like to see this photo (AP).....
(https://i.imgur.com/ZeUbUwC.jpg)
Well it’s obvious that they are getting ready to tamper with the evidence....
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Jack Ruby's hat on the floor of the police basement.
The most profound post [so far] ever made by this member :-\
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Nice spit shine on those shoes.
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Jack Ruby's hat on the floor of the police basement.
I thought some members would like to see this photo (AP).....
(https://i.imgur.com/ZeUbUwC.jpg)
Here's the flip side. Photo taken just last week.
(https://i.imgur.com/9qniSHc.png)
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Ruby's hat? LOL Where are the notarized receipts linking him to the hat? For example, where did he buy it? Why can't a clerk identify Ruby as the purchaser of the hat? Show us the chain of custody? Why does it look like a different color in the two pictures? Is it listed on every evidence form? What size was Ruby's head? I'm helping the contrarian CTers get a start on this.
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Ruby's hat? LOL Where are the notarized receipts linking him to the hat? For example, where did he buy it? Why can't a clerk identify Ruby as the purchaser of the hat? Show us the chain of custody? Why does it look like a different color in the two pictures? Is it listed on every evidence form? What size was Ruby's head? I'm helping the contrarian CTers get a start on this.
Well, it appears that someone moved the hat before it was photographed. (It doesn't appear to have fallen off Ruby's head when he was hit by the car.) Therefore someone must have planted it. ::)
(https://i.vgy.me/FCqoO7.gif)
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Ruby's hat? LOL Where are the notarized receipts linking him to the hat? For example, where did he buy it? Why can't a clerk identify Ruby as the purchaser of the hat? Show us the chain of custody? Why does it look like a different color in the two pictures? Is it listed on every evidence form? What size was Ruby's head? I'm helping the contrarian CTers get a start on this.
This might make sense, Strawman "Smith", if somebody was claiming this hat was a murder weapon.
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Ruby's hat? LOL Where are the notarized receipts linking him to the hat? For example, where did he buy it? Why can't a clerk identify Ruby as the purchaser of the hat? Show us the chain of custody? Why does it look like a different color in the two pictures? Is it listed on every evidence form? What size was Ruby's head? I'm helping the contrarian CTers get a start on this.
Richard,
That's not a hat, it's a blob.
You just made that up.
-- MWT ;)
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Well it’s obvious that they are getting ready to tamper with the evidence....
Charles,
It's obvious that the Deep State has been hiding this photo from us for decades!
As anyone can see, Ruby's hat did NOT come off during that little fracas!
The hat in that photo is a obviously PLANT, and the photographer was very lucky, indeed, to NOT have his film CONFISCATED after he "caught" the conspirators red-handed like that!
-- MWT ;)
PS Trump or Tulsi for Commisar I mean President!
PPS -- AND GOD BLESS MOSCOW MITCH!!!
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Well, it appears that someone moved the hat before it was photographed. (It doesn't appear to have fallen off Ruby's head when he was hit by the car.) Therefore someone must have planted it. ::)
(https://i.vgy.me/FCqoO7.gif)
Yes, hopefully CTers will devote countless hours to unraveling that mystery while assigning clever names to folks who appear in the film. Old Jack looked like he made a second lunge at Oswald after he had shot him. Fortunate that he didn't start firing off more rounds in that melee.
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The hat in that photo is a obviously PLANT, and the photographer was very lucky, indeed, to NOT have his film CONFISCATED after he "caught" the conspirators red-handed like that!
Isn't it funny how all the "Oswald did it" evangelists can do is come up with false equivalencies rather than actually prove that their faith-based conclusions are correct?
It actually doesn't matter whose freakin' hat this is.
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Yes, hopefully CTers will devote countless hours to unraveling that mystery while assigning clever names to folks who appear in the film. Old Jack looked like he made a second lunge at Oswald after he had shot him. Fortunate that he didn't start firing off more rounds in that melee.
If this film didn't exist and there were no witnesses, then we should still believe that Ruby did this because "Richard" said so.
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If this film didn't exist and there were no witnesses, then we should still believe that Ruby did this because "Richard" said so.
John,
Did what?
-- MWT ;)
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Well, it appears that someone moved the hat before it was photographed. (It doesn't appear to have fallen off Ruby's head when he was hit by the car.) Therefore someone must have planted it. ::)
(https://i.vgy.me/FCqoO7.gif)
I don't think the car actually hit JR. But we could bring in our expert video analysis tech Brian to study it more 'thoroughly' :-\
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I don't think the car actually hit JR. But we could bring in our expert video analysis tech Brian to study it more 'thoroughly' :-\
He would claim that there were two Jack Rubys and two Will Fritzes.
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I'm surprised the contrarian hasn't pointed out that you can't actually see Ruby shoot Oswald in that film. We are "assuming" it. It is an opinion. Therefore, we must conclude there is (false) doubt. At best we can say that he pointed some object - perhaps made of wood - at Oswald at the exact moment he was killed.
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I'm surprised the contrarian hasn't pointed out that you can't actually see Ruby shoot Oswald in that film. We are "assuming" it. It is an opinion. Therefore, we must conclude there is (false) doubt. At best we can say that he pointed some object - perhaps made of wood - at Oswald at the exact moment he was killed.
Bill has been helping us a lot lately with little known facts like the stop sign knocked down at 1o th and Patton and now Rubys hat mysteriously laying on the ground AND photographed there too for some reason
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Bill has been helping us a lot lately with little known facts like the stop sign knocked down at 1o th and Patton and now Rubys hat mysteriously laying on the ground AND photographed there too for some reason
My comments aren't directed at Bill who is one of the sharpest guys here.
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I'm surprised the contrarian hasn't pointed out that you can't actually see Ruby shoot Oswald in that film. We are "assuming" it. It is an opinion. Therefore, we must conclude there is (false) doubt. At best we can say that he pointed some object - perhaps made of wood - at Oswald at the exact moment he was killed.
Yup.
And that the homicide detectives might have been wearing very long Bermuda shorts.
-- MWT ;)
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I'm surprised the contrarian hasn't pointed out that you can't actually see Ruby shoot Oswald in that film. We are "assuming" it. It is an opinion. Therefore, we must conclude there is (false) doubt. At best we can say that he pointed some object - perhaps made of wood - at Oswald at the exact moment he was killed.
But we should just believe that Oswald shot Kennedy because “Richard” said so.
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But we should just believe that Oswald shot Kennedy because “Richard” said so.
John,
The plethora of lies by hundreds of witnesses and/or principals in the sordid affair, not to mention the alarming number of those people who have died plus the obvious fact that there have been oh-so many film alterations, etc, etc, etc, prove that it was a Deep State Conspiracy, don't you think?
Especially since triple-agent Boris Orehkov (aka SHAMROCK) told J. Edgar Hoover in 1966 that the Kremlin had undertaken ... gasp ... a six-month investigation of the assassination right after it happened, and guess what it determined?
Yep, that Southern Right-Wing Oilmen and the Minutemen (later modified to include The Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex), had done the deed!
Now, if you can't trust a KGB triple-agent, who the hell can you trust?
Wouldn't you agree?
-- MWT ;)
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I'm surprised the contrarian hasn't pointed out that you can't actually see Ruby shoot Oswald in that film. We are "assuming" it. It is an opinion. Therefore, we must conclude there is (false) doubt. At best we can say that he pointed some object - perhaps made of wood - at Oswald at the exact moment he was killed.
Richard Smith---Voted by his class as most likely to not succeed at much of anything :-\
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Richard Smith---Voted by his class as most likely to not succeed at much of anything :-\
Yuk Yuk Yuk
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Maybe the hat shot him.
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Oddjob's hat
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Oddjob's hat
Chapman's hat-----
(http://www.zoomstart.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/paper-dunce-cap.jpg)
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Ruby's hat? LOL Where are the notarized receipts linking him to the hat? For example, where did he buy it? Why can't a clerk identify Ruby as the purchaser of the hat? Show us the chain of custody? Why does it look like a different color in the two pictures? Is it listed on every evidence form? What size was Ruby's head? I'm helping the contrarian CTers get a start on this.
(https://i.imgur.com/XJMwbsT.png)
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Richard is right, that hat in the photo could be ANYONE's hat :)
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Richard is right, that hat in the photo could be ANYONE's hat :)
"ANYONE's hat"?
It couldn't be my hat because I wasn't there and I don't wear a hat.
JohnM
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Nobody’s trying to make the silly claim that this photo of a hat is evidence of murder, so who cares if it can be proven who the hat belonged to? Just so some Nutters can build more strawman to divert from their failing arguments?
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Nobody’s trying to make the silly claim that this photo of a hat is evidence of murder, so who cares if it can be proven who the hat belonged to? Just so some Nutters can build more strawman to divert from their failing arguments?
Iacoletti,
You just made that up.
Fabrication number eight hundred and ninety-three.
-- MWT ;)
PS How many people do you figure were in on the conspiracy?
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Ruby's hat? LOL Where are the notarized receipts linking him to the hat? For example, where did he buy it? Why can't a clerk identify Ruby as the purchaser of the hat? Show us the chain of custody? Why does it look like a different color in the two pictures? Is it listed on every evidence form? What size was Ruby's head? I'm helping the contrarian CTers get a start on this.
Ask Bill Brown ...He is the one that states that it is Jack Ruby's hat :-\
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How many people do you figure were in on the conspiracy?
Thomas---Which conspiracy? The one to plan? The one to execute? The one to conceal?
What is grik plah mot? What does the color 9 smell like? Will the next word you write be "No"?
Do you know the difference between sophistry and fallacy? Is it a paradox?
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"ANYONE's hat"?
It couldn't be my hat because I wasn't there and I don't wear a hat.
JohnM
That does not matter, because if they are conspirators wishing to frame John Mytton, then they could make a photo of you holding the hat and then mail order a hat from a hat company and sent the hat to a fake PO box addressed to your name, pick up the hand, and drop it at the scene, and maybe even have a fiber or 2 from one of your shirts in the hat :D
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Thomas---Which conspiracy? The one to plan? The one to execute? The one to conceal?
What is grik plah mot? What does the color 9 smell like? Will the next word you write be "No"?
Do you know the difference between sophistry and fallacy? Is it a paradox?
:D
You do Tommy better than Tommy does!
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Thomas---Which conspiracy? The one to plan? The one to execute? The one to conceal?
What is grik plah mot? What does the color 9 smell like? Will the next word you write be "No"?
Do you know the difference between sophistry and fallacy? Is it a paradox?
Jerry,
My bad.
I should have written "THE CONSPIRACY".
-- MWT ;)
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Jerry,
My bad.
I should have written "THE CONSPIRACY".
-- MWT ;)
You mean THE CONSPIRACY where the evil evil KGB got Oswald his job at the TSBD and re-routed the motorcade onto Elm and recruited the DPD to stage the crime scene and deliver Oswald to Ruby and plant the Magic Bullet on the wrong stretcher and wipe off all the prints from the MC and plant it on the 6th floor of the TSBD and forget to sight-in the scope, and fake the autopsy and switch coffins and take at least 6 BY photos of Oswald holding the murder weapons and commie lit (baaa) and blew up JFK's head with a frangible bullet and recruited the SS to keep the back of the limo clear and slow it down at the turkey shoot point and abscond with JFK's body at gunpoint and provide Hoover and Johnson a month's worth of investigation info in 20 hours and direct the DPD to the theater to find Oswald a mere 1 hour after he shot JFK, and most importantly, infiltrate the Warren Commission to concoct the preposterous LN hypothesis?
JT ;)
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You mean THE CONSPIRACY where the evil evil KGB got Oswald his job at the TSBD and re-routed the motorcade onto Elm and recruited the DPD to stage the crime scene and deliver Oswald to Ruby and plant the Magic Bullet on the wrong stretcher and wipe off all the prints from the MC and plant it on the 6th floor of the TSBD and forget to sight-in the scope, and fake the autopsy and switch coffins and take at least 6 BY photos of Oswald holding the murder weapons and commie lit (baaa) and blew up JFK's head with a frangible bullet and recruited the SS to keep the back of the limo clear and slow it down at the turkey shoot point and abscond with JFK's body at gunpoint and provide Hoover and Johnson a month's worth of investigation info in 20 hours and direct the DPD to the theater to find Oswald a mere 1 hour after he shot JFK, and most importantly, infiltrate the Warren Commission to concoct the preposterous LN hypothesis?
JT ;)
Jack,
Take some deep breaths.
You'll be okay.
-- MWT ;)
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Jack,
Take some deep breaths.
You'll be okay.
-- MWT ;)
So is that your concession that the evil evil KGB wasn't in on THE CONSPIRACY? I guess we're making progress then. Thx.
JT ;)
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So is that your concession that the evil evil KGB wasn't in on THE CONSPIRACY? I guess we're making progress then. Thx.
JT ;)
Jack,
Unless Ion Pacepa, in his 2007 Programmed to Kill: Lee Harvey Oswald, the Soviet KGB, and the Kennedy Assassination, was telling the truth, in which case I guess you could say it was kinda "involved".
-- MWT ;)
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Jack,
Unless Ion Pacepa, in his 2007 Programmed to Kill: Lee Harvey Oswald, the Soviet KGB, and the Kennedy Assassination, was telling the truth, in which case I guess you could say it was kinda "involved".
-- MWT ;)
You missed my point Tommy. The evil evil KGB might have been involved, but there is no way in hell they could have sheep-dipped Oswald and got him a job at the TSBD and re-routed the limo down Elm. Only the evil evil FBI & CIA could have done that and all the other shenanigans I mentioned in my prev post.
Oswald was a wannabe Angleton singleton agent in the fake defector program unknowingly being sheep-dipped to be a patsy. Angleton was best buds with CIA Director Dulles, who JFK fired over the BOP fiasco then waged war against the CIA. Dulles was not going to go quietly into the night, which is why he became the architect of the "Big Event". Angleton had that compromising photo of Hoover which brought him into the fold, but they probably didn't need to blackmail him since he already hated JFK. Once they got Johnson on board the Big Event was on. At least my version is plausible.
JT 8)
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You missed my point Tommy. The evil evil KGB might have been involved, but there is no way in hell they could have sheep-dipped Oswald and got him a job at the TSBD and re-routed the limo down Elm. Only the evil evil FBI & CIA could have done that and all the other shenanigans I mentioned in my prev post.
Oswald was a wannabe Angleton singleton agent in the fake defector program unknowingly being sheep-dipped to be a patsy. Angleton was best buds with CIA Director Dulles, who JFK fired over the BOP fiasco then waged war against the CIA. Dulles was not going to go quietly into the night, which is why he became the architect of the "Big Event". Angleton had that compromising photo of Hoover which brought him into the fold, but they probably didn't need to blackmail him since he already hated JFK. Once they got Johnson on board the Big Event was on. At least my version is plausible.
JT 8)
You miss my point Jack.
Ion Pacepa didn't say KGB helped Oswald get that job, etc, etc, etc.
What he did say is that KGB trained and/or programmed Oswald to assassinate JFK, and that after Oswald returned to the U.S. Khrushchev got "cold feet," but was unable to call Oswald off the mission.
D'oh
-- MWT ;)
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You miss my point Jack.
Ion Pacepa didn't say KGB helped Oswald get that job, etc, etc, etc.
What he did say is that KGB trained and/or programmed Oswald to assassinate JFK, and that after Oswald returned to the U.S. Khrushchev got "cold feet," but was unable to call Oswald off the mission.
D'oh
-- MWT ;)
Did the KGB program the FBI too?
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Did the KGB program the FBI too?
Jack,
You mean the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the organization that "altered all of the photos and films" and "changed all of the witnesses statements"?
(sarcasm)
You mean J. Edgar Hoover, the guy who was duped by his very own "Fedora" and "Tophat" into believing that Yuri "The KGB Didn't Even Interview Oswald In The USSR " Nosenko was a true defector? To answer your inane question -- In a way, yes!
Doh
-- MWT ;)
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Jack,
You mean the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the organization that "altered all of the photos and films" and "changed all of the witnesses statements"?
(sarcasm)
You mean J. Edgar Hoover, the guy who was duped by his very own "Fedora" and "Tophat" into believing that Yuri "The KGB Didn't Even Interview Oswald In The USSR " Nosenko was a true defector? To answer your inane question -- In a way, yes!
Doh
-- MWT ;)
Spin Dr. Tommy, it's like pulling teeth with you. Why are you being so obtuse? Are you claiming that the KGB trained Oswald to be a LN assassin and the evil evil FBI & CIA had nothing to do with THE CONSPIRACY?
How about less mud rasslin in BS: and more debate for a change?
TJ ???
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Spin Dr. Tommy, it's like pulling teeth with you. Why are you being so obtuse? Are you claiming that the KGB trained Oswald to be a LN assassin and the evil evil FBI & CIA had nothing to do with THE CONSPIRACY?
How about less mud rasslin in BS: and more debate for a change?
TJ ???
Jack,
Please eludidate.
The FBI altered all of the films and photos and forged all of the non-cooperating witnesses' statements and what else?
Hoover hated CIA, you know. Do you really think he conspired with McCone?
Or was it rogues, like turtles, "all the way down"?
-- MWT ;)
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Jack,
Please eludidate.
The FBI altered all of the films and photos and forged all of the non-cooperating witnesses' statements and what else?
What films/photos and witnesses are you talking about? And how would you know if any of the witnesses were non-cooperative?
Hoover hated CIA, you know. Do you really think he conspired with McCone?
Hoover hated JFK more. And I already mentioned that Hoover was blackmailed by the CIA into playing ball.
Or was it rogues, like turtles, "all the way down"?
No, it was Angleton, Dulles, Hoover & Johnson and a skeleton crew. You don't think those bastards were capable of a coup? Angleton and Dulles were American Nazis, Hoover was the king of the mafia and Johnson had his own sister whacked, plus he wanted to be the POTUS and not go to jail for the rest of his life, which is where JFK was threatening to send him. Nixon admitted that Johnson was an animal.
Only the FBI & CIA could have sheep-dipped Oswald and set him up in the TSBD and re-route the motorcade down Elm. Or did the KGB do all that inside stuff and much more? I can't tell if you are a CT (Coincidence Theorist) or a LNer?
JT :-X
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What films/photos and witnesses are you talking about? And how would you know if any of the witnesses were non-cooperative?
Hoover hated JFK more. And I already mentioned that Hoover was blackmailed by the CIA into playing ball.
No, it was Angleton, Dulles, Hoover & Johnson and a skeleton crew. You don't think those bastards were capable of a coup? Angleton and Dulles were American Nazis, Hoover was the king of the mafia and Johnson had his own sister whacked, plus he wanted to be the POTUS and not go to jail for the rest of his life, which is where JFK was threatening to send him. Nixon admitted that Johnson was an animal.
Only the FBI & CIA could have sheep-dipped Oswald and set him up in the TSBD and re-route the motorcade down Elm. Or did the KGB do all that inside stuff and much more? I can't tell if you are a CT (Coincidence Theorist) or a LNer?
JT :-X
Jack,
Why everything, didn't you know?
(Or was it the evil, evil, evil CIA that did that? Part of the Deep State, regardless, wot?)
Angleton liked Ezra Pound's poetry and therefore was a Fascist?
Have you been reading The Ghost, or something?
Please forgive me -- I should have said "witnesses".
-- MWT ;)
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Jack,
Why everything, didn't you know?
(Or was it the evil, evil, evil CIA that did that? Part of the Deep State, regardless, wot?)
Angleton liked Ezra Pound's poetry and therefore was a Fascist?
Have you been reading The Ghost, or something?
Please forgive me -- I should have said "witnesses".
-- MWT ;)
If that's all you got and you just want the last word then have at it. I'm poking a fork in this one.
JT Walk:
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If that's all you got and you just want the last word then have at it. I'm poking a fork in this one.
JT Walk:
Jack,
Okay.
-- MWT ;)
PS Do you believe we live in a Deep State?
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This hat dropped at the scene fits right with the general WC theme of items "found' at several other places, like the SN boxes and shells and the rifle at the other boxes and then the coke that was and was not there, and then bus ticket found in the shirt, except Oswald had taken OFF the shirt he had on McWatters bus, and then the wallet that was dropped at the Tippet scene and MORE shells dropped there, and then the "white" jacket that was announced by DPD radio transmission, but changed color to light blue gray later.
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This hat dropped at the scene fits right with the general WC theme of items "found' at several other places, like the SN boxes and shells and the rifle at the other boxes and then the coke that was and was not there, and then bus ticket found in the shirt, except Oswald had taken OFF the shirt he had on McWatters bus, and then the wallet that was dropped at the Tippet scene and MORE shells dropped there, and then the "white" jacket that was announced by DPD radio transmission, but changed color to light blue gray later.
Zeon,
Do you think those things were all part-and-parcel of a Deep State Conspiracy?
-- MWT ;)
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