JFK Assassination Forum
Off Topic => News - Off Topic - Weird & Wacky => Topic started by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 02:20:05 PM
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Jefferson,
In your anti-Angleton book, The Ghost, why did you mention true-defector Pyotr Deriabin only one time, and, incongruously, not to denegrate false defector Yuri Nosenko's credibility, but to cast aspersions on his nemesis, true defector Anatoliy Golitsyn (by relaying Deriabin's mind-blowing observation that Golitsyn had had a reputation as a "troublemaker," or some such thing, in the KGB)?
Your doing so seems disingenuous, given the fact that Deriabin, after interviewing Nosenko twelve times and correcting the transcripts of possible mole George Kisevalter, etc, was convinced Golitsyn's and Bagley's and Angleton's "take" on Nosenko was correct: he was a false defector sent here to discredit Golitsyn and to convince the FBI and CIA that the KGB had had, implausibly, nothing to do with Oswald in the USSR.
On the Nosenko issue, you are aware, aren't you, that John Newman convinced Peter Dale Scott in March of 2018 that Nosenko was a false defector, dispatched to the U.S. to discredit Golitsyn, and that Newman was basing his information on Bagley's books Spy Wars and Spymaster (the latter with a former general in KGB's First Chief Directorate -- today's SVR -- Sergei Kondrashev)?
As far as I'm concerned, Nosenko's well-recieved pronouncements on Oswald's alleged non-relationship with the KGB, although perhaps mostly true, were solely intended to serve as an "icebreaker" of sorts so that Nosenko would be quickly deemed credible by the gullible FBI and CIA, and so that his discrediting of Golitsyn would appear to be that much more effective.
-- Thomas Graves ;)
(Known here as "Mudd Wrassler Tommy")
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Jefferson, Don’t reply. It’s a trap. MWT likes to ask questions, but will not answer them. He will ask one inane question after another, in long unreadable sentences, packed with assumption after assumption.
And, welcome.
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Jefferson, Don’t reply. It’s a trap. MWT likes to ask questions, but will not answer them. He will ask one inane question after another, in long unreadable sentences, packed with assumption after assumption.
That's right, Jeff.
Take Mike's word for it, I ask you all you brainwashed-by-KGB-active-measures-and-strategic-deceptions guys questions that you can't answer, because to do so would not only entail your realizing how out-of-touch-with-reality you really are, but would cause you one hell of a lot of cognitive dissonance, as well.
"It's a trap!"
LOL
-- MWT ;)
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...I ask you all you brainwashed-by-KGB-active-..........
LOL
-- MWT ;)
Huh?
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Huh?
Michael,
If you were to set down Hart and Heuer and Solie for a few hours and read Bagley's 2007 book Spy Wars or his 2014 PDF Ghost's of the Spy Wars, you'd know what I'm referring to when I say "active measures counterintelligence operations (since 1921 with Trust and Sindikat-2), and "strategic (aka operational) counterintelligence operations" (since 1959 with Polyalov's "volunteering" in NYC to spy for the FBI and the CIA).
-- MWT ;)
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Michael,
If you were to set down Hart and Heuer and Solie for a few hours and read Bagley's 2007 book Spy Wars or his 2014 PDF Ghost's of the Spy Wars, you'd know what I'm referring to when I say "active measures counterintelligence operations (since 1921 with Trust and Sindikat-2), and "strategic (aka operational) counterintelligence operations" (since 1959 with Polyalov's "volunteering" in NYC to spy for the FBI and the CIA).
-- MWT ;)
I know what you are referring to. It is called “The Monster Plot”.
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I know what you are referring to. It is called “The Monster Plot”.
Iirc, Bagley doesn't get into that in either of those, or even in Spymaster, the book he wrote about his friend and former adversary, General Sergei Kondrachev.
He's more concerned with Nosenko, and how, with some inside help by people like Kulak (FBI's "Fedora") and Kochnov (CIA's "Kittyhawk") and maybe a mole or two, managed to deceive people like McCoy, Hart, Solie, Admiral Turner and William Colby, get declared bona fide, and end up lecturing and consulting at CIA.
-- TWG ;)
PS Golitsyn gets into what you and Hart call "The Monster Plot" in his 1980 (published in 1984) book New Lies For Old, and his his 1994 book The Perestroika Deception.
https://archive.org/stream/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995_djvu.txt
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Iirc, Bagley doesn't get into that in either of those, or even in Spymaster, the book he wrote about his friend and former adversary, General Sergei Kondrachev.
He's more concerned with Nosenko, and how, with some inside help by people like Kulak (FBI's "Fedora") and Kochnov (CIA's "Kittyhawk") and maybe a mole or two, managed to deceive people like McCoy, Hart, Solie, Admiral Turner and William Colby, get declared bona fide, and end up lecturing and consulting at CIA.
-- TWG ;)
PS Golitsyn gets into what you and Hart call "The Monster Plot" in his 1980 (published in 1984) book New Lies For Old, and his book The Perestroika Deception.
Thomas, It seems to me that you have not been paying attention to anyone but your hero. Of course, we already knew that, but the results are painfully and embarrassingly obvious by your statements above.
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Interesting
Michael,
Have you read it?
-- MWT ;)