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Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 05, 2019, 04:54:36 PM
Jim DiEugenio wrote:

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A lot of people have it out for ROKC, but IMO, they do a lot of really good work there. It appears that Mrs. Robert Reid was one Jeraldean Reid.  Am I right on this?  How could she have seen Oswald at 12:33 when many writers and witnesses say he left the TSBD at that time?

Jim tries to pervert the rational dislike many researchers have for Parker's website as being the product of unreasonable hate on the behalf of those people against the poor victim Parker board and its members...Last year Wanda Daniel sent me a photo of Jeraldean Reid that came from Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...I sent it along to Groden and he told me that was the woman he interviewed...

Over on Denis Moricet's Facebook JFK photo analysis page I posted the image of Jeraldean Reid that Wanda sent me...Iacoletti came over there and did his usual business and that led to me being banned by Moricet and Iacoletti retained...In my opinion Moricet showed really bad judgment...He had gotten hardcore Lone Nutter Jim Hess to come in and moderate and I was booted and Iacoletti was kept...

On Moricet's page we had made progress in comparing Mrs Robert Reid with Jeraldean Reid and it looks like they may be two different persons...This of course confirms Groden's claim...Kamp is well aware of all this but he doesn't mention any of it to DiEugenio in the thread DiEugenio just opened on the subject...This is a prime example of the damage the moderation under James Gordon has done to JFK research...Gordon posted 3 years ago that he was highly sensitive to the quality of information on the Education Forum...This one example alone shows how damaging Gordon and his corrupted oversight of that forum is...Gordon is in it for the power and he doesn't care if he is directly responsible for destroying the quality of information on the EF because of his corrupted oversight...

Jim D is one of the most fundamentally dishonest persons I have ever encountered...The reason he is opening this attack on Groden on the EF is because he's lending Kamp a hand in supporting his Prayer Man disinformation on the forum...He's trying to cut down Mrs Reid's witnessing in order to remove the 2nd floor lunch room encounter...Because of Gordon's oversight the conversation is limited to Kamp and DiEugenio and their dishonest coverage...None of the counter evidence that actually supports Groden is mentioned because the forum has been turned over to Kamp and DiEugenio and they are deliberately excluding any information they know refutes them...And Jim is doing it in order to support one of the most wicked, demented troll forums on the internet while saying they are misunderstood guys...So while Gordon falsely claims his moderation is based on protecting quality of content the truth is his struggle with his own ego and incompetence has led directly to the opposite and the membership is denied vital information so Kamp can have more credibility he doesn't deserve and post more rottenly dishonest information that steers the public in the wrong direction on assassination evidence...

Anyone can read Parker's website and see it is a nut site whose trolling content would receive instant banning on most research boards...Yet here we have Jim D dishonestly garnering lack of opposition from his censoring servant Gordon and having the abject balls to once again promote Parker's website and its rotten research...When he did this 3 years ago and I protested on the DPF, Jim's sycophantic dim-witted servant, Lauren Johnson, banned me and gave the OK to Jim - even though Lauren himself had banned Parker and his website on DPF...Jim promotes Parker's site but he doesn't actually post there himself because he doesn't want to be associated with its sick content...

There's an intelligent exploration that is not going on on the EF because of Gordon's rogue corruption...Before I was banned on Moricet's site we had gotten to the point where it looked like the Mrs Robert Reid photographed on the sidewalk was actually a different person than the Jeraldean Reid in Sarah Stanton's photo album...That of course verified Groden's claim, but there you have Jim D pushing for the opposite while partnering with the degenerate kook Bart Kamp...Jim is also not mentioning the fact Karen Westbrook said Mrs Reid told the lady employees of Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke while they were all being detained for questioning after the assassination...That lying little creep Kamp is fully aware of all this but once given the protection of censorship from James quality of content Gordon he doesn't feel any need to honestly inform the public...

   

       
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 05, 2019, 05:26:37 PM
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Over on Denis Moricet's Facebook JFK photo analysis page I posted the image of Jeraldean Reid that Wanda sent me...

It's Morissette, Mr. cutting edge top researcher.

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Iacoletti came over there and did his usual business and that led to me being banned by Moricet and Iacoletti retained...In my opinion Moricet showed really bad judgment...He had gotten hardcore Lone Nutter Jim Hess to come in and moderate and I was booted and Iacoletti was kept...

You were booted because you were being verbally abusive.  Same reason you've gotten booted everywhere.

Jeraldean Reid IS Mrs. Robert Reid.  This is indisputable.

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There's an intelligent exploration that is not going on on the EF because of Gordon's rogue corruption...Before I was banned on Moricet's site we had gotten to the point where it looked like the Mrs Robert Reid photographed on the sidewalk was actually a different person than the Jeraldean Reid in Sarah Stanton's photo album...

No, there was no "Mrs Robert Reid photographed on the sidewalk".  You made that up.

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That of course verified Groden's claim, but there you have Jim D pushing for the opposite while partnering with the degenerate kook Bart Kamp...Jim is also not mentioning the fact Karen Westbrook said Mrs Reid told the lady employees of Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke while they were all being detained for questioning after the assassination...

False.  She says nothing about the second floor lunchroom.  (timestamp 29:16)

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 05, 2019, 06:00:16 PM

I have Iacoletti on ignore so I can't see his responses...

Those two idiots, DiEugenio and Kamp, are so interested in their Prayer Man agenda that they never stop to consider it may be Geneva Hine who is lying and not Mrs Reid, since we have Westbrook's verification...

Moricet weakly chimed in and backed me, but Jim and Bart aren't interested...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 05, 2019, 06:01:21 PM
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I have Iacoletti on ignore so I can't see his responses...

No worries.  Just exposing your misinformation for the benefit of others.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 05, 2019, 07:24:09 PM
David Josephs wrote:

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One of my favorite testimony passages is REID here trying NOT to say Oswald was in the lunchroom with "them/they"...
Didn't anyone ever teach BELIN about leading a witness ??  :up

Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know about what time it was that you left the lunchroom, was it 12, 12:15?
Mrs. REID. I think around 12:30 somewhere along in there.
Mr. BELIN. All right. When you left the lunchroom, did you leave with the other girls?
Mrs. REID. No; I didn't. The younger girls had gone and I left alone.
Mr. BELIN. Were you the last person in the lunchroom?
Mrs. REID. No; I could not say that because I don't remember that part of it because I was going out of the building by myself, I wasn't even, you know, connected with anyone at all.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.   ["don't" what?]
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.

Why is Mrs Reid stumbling so much and struggling to remember who was in the lunch room?...

There's other testimony where it was described that some of the lady employees wanted to get lunch in before the motorcade so they went in for a quick lunch while Mrs Reid kept in touch with her husband by phone for the progress of the motorcade...Mrs Reid is obviously staying away from naming anyone even though she should remember who was there...There are linguistic forensics here indicating she is nervous about something and trying to avoid mentioning it...

Bear in mind all this happened at a time when Oswald was seen out on the staircase landing waiting for those ladies to clear out of the 2nd floor lunch room...

Is the source of Mrs Reid's problem the fact she might know a different Mrs Reid was inside at the time?...   

Is Mrs Reid not naming any other ladies in order to prevent them from being interviewed and giving out dangerous information?...

What "man" is Belin referring to (or obviously worried about)?...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Tom Scully on September 06, 2019, 02:39:04 AM
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Jim DiEugenio wrote:

Jim tries to pervert the rational dislike many researchers have for Parker's website as being the product of unreasonable hate on the behalf of those people against the poor victim Parker board and its members..
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More of your Trumpian projection! "Puppet? No puppet! You're the puppet!"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/14/like-i-said-puppet-hillary-clinton-doubles-down-trump-russia/
......“No puppet. No puppet. You’re the puppet!”....

You drive them and everyone else, crazy!

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I have Iacoletti on ignore so I can't see his responses...

Those two idiots, DiEugenio and Kamp, are so interested in their Prayer Man agenda that they never stop to consider it may be Geneva Hine who is lying and not Mrs Reid, since we have Westbrook's verification...

Moricet weakly chimed in and backed me, but Jim and Bart aren't interested...

"Sport" (or is it Your "Highness" or Your "Victimhood")? Stand down, crawl back into the swamp! You make it obvious you have neither the skills or the emotional stability, you drown every reader with your crocodile tears.

No, this is not "meta"date.

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Steve Thomas
Posted 10 hours ago

It's interesting. A Robert Reid gave a statement to the FBI on January 10, 1964. He was a Court Clerk in the Dallas District Clerk's Office.

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I do not know if he was Robert Antthony, He told the FBI:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce2099.htm

"ROBERT REID, Deputy Distruct Court Clerk, Dallas District Court, Clerk's Office, Records Building, advised that on November 22, 1963 he was observing the Presidential Motorcade from the window of Judge HENRY KING's court room, and followed the progress of the Presidential Motorcade from the second floor windows of the court house as it progressed down Main Street on to Houston Street and west on Elm Street from Houston Street.

Mr. Reid believes that Mrs. LILLIAN MOONEYHAM and CECIL AULT, Deputy District Court Clerks, Criminal Courts Building, as well as others not recalled, were also observing the Presidential Motorcade from Judge KING's court room window."

Lillian Mooneyham told the FBI:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce2098.htm

"LILLIAN MOONEYHAM, Deputy District Court Clerk, 85th Court, Records Building, advised that she watched the Presidential Motorcade on November 22, 1963 from the windows of the court house. She, along with Mrs. ROSE CLARK and JEANETTE E. HOOKER, observed the Presidential Motorcade proceeding down Main Street from the window of Judge J. FRANK WILSON'S courtroom, overlooking Main Street. As the motorcade passed them on Main Street, MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER ran to Judge HENTY KING's courtroom window, which faces Houston Street, in time to see the motorcade turn west from Elm Street on Houston. Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom watching the motorcade at te same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER."

" Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom watching the motorcade at the same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER."

" Mrs. MOONEYHAM and Mrs. CLARK left Judge KING's courtroom and went to the office of Judge Julien C. Hyer on the third floor of the Records Building, where they continued to observe the happenings from Judge HYER's window."

Around 4-5 minutes after the assassination, she saw a man on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

"Mr. REID stated he observed nothing significant and at no time did he observe the windows of the TSBD building."

Steve Thomas
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 06, 2019, 03:14:47 PM
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There are linguistic forensics here indicating she is nervous about something and trying to avoid mentioning it...

There is no such thing as “linguistic forensics”. That’s just something Doyle made up to make his conjectures sound scientific.

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Bear in mind all this happened at a time when Oswald was seen out on the staircase landing waiting for those ladies to clear out of the 2nd floor lunch room...

Nobody ever said that they saw Oswald out on the staircase landing waiting for those ladies to clear out of the 2nd floor lunch room. Doyle made it up.

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Is the source of Mrs Reid's problem the fact she might know a different Mrs Reid was inside at the time?...

There was no “different Mrs. Reid”. Doyle made it up.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 06, 2019, 03:55:23 PM
Tom:  It is nice to know fellow researchers have your back when you expose difficult evidence...I'm sure Janney feels the same way I do...May I ask which side you and Jim D work for?...I don't know what you are trying to say in your oblique, coming from left field response?...

The issue here is Wanda Daniel sent me a photo of what was labeled "Jeraldean Reid" in Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...I sent it on to Groden and he confirmed that was the woman he interviewed...

The background on this is Groden is claiming that this other Jeraldean Reid stayed inside during the assassination and had Oswald come and get change from her as the shots were fired...A second source came to Groden and told him there were two Jeraldean Reid's in the Depository...That source told Groden that the Jeraldean Reid who was photographed on the sidewalk was called "Mrs Robert Reid" by the Warren Commission in order to distinguish her from the "Jeraldean Reid" seen in Sarah's photo...

Before I got removed from Moricet's website by Jim Hess we were pursuing that photo as well as comparisons to images of "Mrs Robert Reid"...They appear as if they could be two different persons from their photos..."Mrs Robert Reid", as seen on the sidewalk after the shooting in photos, is also seen sitting next to Leavelle in a photo taken at the police station...In that photo she appears to be a different woman than the woman seen in Sarah Stanton's employee photos... 

Do Jim D and Kamp mention any of this?..No...Does James Gordon allow this critical information to enter the thread instead of serving his spite?...I'm honestly beginning to wonder if Jim D is actually working for the other side or is really just that stupid?...So, if those sites are designed to discuss the best and brightest evidence where is the explanation by that bully moderator for the deliberate exclusion of the best most important evidence?...It is time the membership stop sucking-up to that ignorant bastard and get rid of him so they can actually have that quality discussion outside the tyrannical oppression of the Prayer Man mob and their crony moderators...Jim D reacts to this with silence and the rest of the sycophants allow him to get away with it...Moricet is ignored and Jim D and Kamp don't pursue what he is talking about - with no input from the "quality of content" moderator...

"You drive them and everybody else crazy" is the stuff of teenage girls...The intelligence insulting omission of the substance above only proves my point and proves how a gang of bullies has dragged the quality of conversation down on the JFK research internet...And how they operate by one high school-like name-calling standard for themselves and a phony contrived make-it-up-as-they-go-along eloquent rules standard for themselves when justifying their censorship of the good evidence they call for...
 



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 06, 2019, 04:52:29 PM
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I have Iacoletti on ignore so I can't see his responses...

Those two idiots, DiEugenio and Kamp, are so interested in their Prayer Man agenda that they never stop to consider it may be Geneva Hine who is lying and not Mrs Reid, since we have Westbrook's verification...

Moricet weakly chimed in and backed me, but Jim and Bart aren't interested...

He must've taken a little peep, huh, John?  Albut's such a voyeur !!!  LOL !!!
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 06, 2019, 04:54:45 PM
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More of your Trumpian projection! "Puppet? No puppet! You're the puppet!"
You drive them and everyone else, crazy!

"Sport" (or is it Your "Highness" or Your "Victimhood")? Stand down, crawl back into the swamp! You make it obvious you have neither the skills or the emotional stability, you drown every reader with your crocodile tears.

No, this is not "meta"date.

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This is worth a bump, just sayin'.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 06, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
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The background on this is Groden is claiming that this other Jeraldean Reid stayed inside during the assassination and had Oswald come and get change from her as the shots were fired...A second source came to Groden and told him there were two Jeraldean Reid's in the Depository...That source told Groden that the Jeraldean Reid who was photographed on the sidewalk was called "Mrs Robert Reid" by the Warren Commission in order to distinguish her from the "Jeraldean Reid" seen in Sarah's photo...

In Groden’s book, “Absolute Proof”, which I doubt Doyle has bought or read, Groden claims that he talked to a “Geraldine” Reid and that “Mrs. Robert Reid” was named Dolores. He was wrong. Also, Jeraldean Reid died in 1973.

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Before I got removed from Moricet's website by Jim Hess we were pursuing that photo as well as comparisons to images of "Mrs Robert Reid"...They appear as if they could be two different persons from their photos..."Mrs Robert Reid", as seen on the sidewalk after the shooting in photos,

Nobody ever identified this woman as Reid. Before it was known what Reid looked like some people had speculated that this woman was Reid because she appears to be a similar age.

Also, Hess didn’t remove Doyle from Morissette’s group — Morissette did.

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is also seen sitting next to Leavelle in a photo taken at the police station...

Although she has a superficial resemblance to the woman photographed outside the depository, she has different glasses and different hair. Also, the photo with Leavelle was taken on Sunday after Oswald was shot and may actually be one of Ruby’s sisters. Nobody (other than Doyle) has ever identified her as being any “Mrs. Reid”.

Doyle is just fabricating fanciful stories again.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 06, 2019, 05:19:49 PM
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Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 06, 2019, 05:59:20 PM
Just so people know I can't see Iacoletti or OBlazney because I have them on ignore...I put them on ignore because they are making no attempt to honestly respond to the information I am posting...

David Josephs has finally come around over on the Education Forum and admitted Mrs Reid saw one of the Oswald's as he came in to the offices with a Coke...This is what I have been saying for years while Josephs took the side of the people who were persecuting me for saying it...Josephs was regularly saying "Prayer Man is definitely Lee Harvey Oswald" on the EF but is now saying the opposite while not correcting himself...If Oswald was in the lunch room, as Josephs is now finally correctly agreeing with me over, then he could not be Prayer Man...Of course there is no apology from Josephs over this or public admission...When I discussed this with Josephs on the DPF he said "You have made your bed now lie in it"...So having clearly been swayed by my refusing to allow bad evidence and being persecuted for it, Josephs steals the finding, dishonestly ignores his role in that unfair persecution, pretends not to notice, doesn't apologize or recognize the source, and posts as if nothing had ever happened...This is the level of character of JFK researchers and how they roll...It is done behind conspicuously silent gang leader Jim DiEugenio...

Geneva Hine is the liar not Mrs Reid...

Notice none of my persecutors attack David Josephs when he finally proxies my correct evidence over on the EF...

And let's see how honest Bart Kamp is now that Josephs has properly rejected his 2nd floor encounter BS with this honest admission...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 06, 2019, 06:16:59 PM
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Just so people know I can't see Iacoletti or OBlazney because I have them on ignore...

They know, Doyle. You don’t have to say it every day.

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I put them on ignore because they are making no attempt to honestly respond to the information I am posting...

No, you put people on ignore who expose your dishonesty.

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David Josephs has finally come around over on the Education Forum and admitted Mrs Reid saw one of the Oswald's as he came in to the offices with a Coke...

“One of the Oswalds”. LOL.

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If Oswald was in the lunch room, as Josephs is now finally correctly agreeing with me over, then he could not be Prayer Man...

This doesn’t even make sense. He didn’t say Oswald was in the lunch room during the motorcade.

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Josephs steals the finding, dishonestly ignores his role in that unfair persecution, pretends not to notice, doesn't apologize or recognize the source, and posts as if nothing had ever happened...

“Steals the finding”? You’re trying to take credit for the idea that the lunchroom encounter happened in the lunchroom? Gee, nobody else ever thought of that.  ::)

Seek treatment.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Tom Scully on September 06, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
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Tom:  It is nice to know fellow researchers have your back when you expose difficult evidence...I'm sure Janney feels the same way I do...May I ask which side you and Jim D work for?...I don't know what you are trying to say in your oblique, coming from left field response?...

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No, you put people on ignore who expose your dishonesty.
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Seek treatment.

Hey! Why I am I being singled out for special treatment? In addition to being a pathological liar, Doyle is discriminating against me for no justifiable reason. Every skilled researcher knows it, too. You're not going to get away with this! I should be on "ignore," too!
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 06, 2019, 07:35:10 PM
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Hey! Why I am I being singled out for special treatment? In addition to being a pathological liar, Doyle is discriminating against me for no justifiable reason. Every skilled researcher knows it, too. You're not going to get away with this! I should be on "ignore," too!

This is what Scully did with the Janney evidence...When you ask him to answer the seriously spelled-out evidence he makes boyish posts and flagrantly ignores the evidence you are showing...

I don't get it Scully...Are you indirectly saying you don't disagree with my evidence here but still have a right to t**** it?...Isn't that a publicly-displayed rotten double standard?...The above is more teenage girl stuff...

I wrote:

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Tom:  It is nice to know fellow researchers have your back when you expose difficult evidence...I'm sure Janney feels the same way I do...May I ask which side you and Jim D work for?...I don't know what you are trying to say in your oblique, coming from left field response?...

The issue here is Wanda Daniel sent me a photo of what was labeled "Jeraldean Reid" in Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...I sent it on to Groden and he confirmed that was the woman he interviewed...

The background on this is Groden is claiming that this other Jeraldean Reid stayed inside during the assassination and had Oswald come and get change from her as the shots were fired...A second source came to Groden and told him there were two Jeraldean Reid's in the Depository...That source told Groden that the Jeraldean Reid who was photographed on the sidewalk was called "Mrs Robert Reid" by the Warren Commission in order to distinguish her from the "Jeraldean Reid" seen in Sarah's photo...

Before I got removed from Moricet's website by Jim Hess we were pursuing that photo as well as comparisons to images of "Mrs Robert Reid"...They appear as if they could be two different persons from their photos..."Mrs Robert Reid", as seen on the sidewalk after the shooting in photos, is also seen sitting next to Leavelle in a photo taken at the police station...In that photo she appears to be a different woman than the woman seen in Sarah Stanton's employee photos... 

Do Jim D and Kamp mention any of this?..No...Does James Gordon allow this critical information to enter the thread instead of serving his spite?...I'm honestly beginning to wonder if Jim D is actually working for the other side or is really just that stupid?...So, if those sites are designed to discuss the best and brightest evidence where is the explanation by that bully moderator for the deliberate exclusion of the best most important evidence?...It is time the membership stop sucking-up to that ignorant bastard and get rid of him so they can actually have that quality discussion outside the tyrannical oppression of the Prayer Man mob and their crony moderators...Jim D reacts to this with silence and the rest of the sycophants allow him to get away with it...Moricet is ignored and Jim D and Kamp don't pursue what he is talking about - with no input from the "quality of content" moderator...

"You drive them and everybody else crazy" is the stuff of teenage girls...The intelligence insulting omission of the substance above only proves my point and proves how a gang of bullies has dragged the quality of conversation down on the JFK research internet...And how they operate by one high school-like name-calling standard for themselves and a phony contrived make-it-up-as-they-go-along eloquent rules standard for you when justifying their censorship of the good evidence they call for...

Just to show you what kind of a man Kamp is Josephs has basically rejected Kamp's 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter crap by siding with me...But because Kamp operates at the sleazy weaseling level his dirty tricks have run out and he has no way of confronting Josephs right up front...He ignores his post and doesn't answer it...This is the bankrupt level of character these people operate at because they don't know what to do once Gordon's flagrant crooked censorship doesn't protect them any more...Actions speak louder than words and these guys are coming up a little short right now...These are dishonest bastards and the reason they are staying quiet is because they know any moves from here will only validate me and my research...Like I said...Jim DiEugenio is one of the dirtiest and most dishonest bastards I have ever encountered...Gordon looks like the pathetic fool he is as he presides over this and tries to sell it with phony eloquence when the real reason is he bans because someone out-argues his favorite posters...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 06, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
Pat Speer wrote:

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Let's remember as well that a number of the office workers said they had little to no recollection of ever seeing Oswald. If he had swam against the tide, and had eaten lunch with the ladies, well, they would most certainly have noticed him, and talked to him, and discovered he'd just had a baby, etc. That they knew so little about him, then, is clear evidence to me that he did not frequent the lunch room, outside of perhaps buying a coke.

Speer is outright ignoring that 3 women employees, including Karen Westbrook, openly detailed Oswald regularly eating in the 2nd floor lunch room at that same booth on the right as you go in that Carolyn Arnold saw him in...Those women made clear Oswald liked to be by himself and that is why he sat there...

Captain Fritz: "I'm fairly certain Oswald told me he was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots"...

The malarkey about Oswald eating in the Domino Room was invented in order to cover-up the fact Oswald regularly ate in the 2nd floor lunch room...They didn't want the fact Oswald didn't consider himself a worker, and Truly allowed it because he was an agent provocateur, to come out and expose the real deal...They didn't want the fact that Oswald was in that lunch room during the assassination to come out...

My spearheading the final solving of the case has led to my banishment by an ignoramus moderator who was protecting his friends...Speer's ignorance is the direct result of Gordon's censorship...And Speer has a moderator avatar!...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 06, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
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Speer is outright ignoring that 3 women employees, including Karen Westbrook, openly detailed Oswald regularly eating in the 2nd floor lunch room at that same booth on the right as you go in that Carolyn Arnold saw him in...

No they didn’t. You just made it up.

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Captain Fritz: "I'm fairly certain Oswald told me he was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots"...

Doyle can’t even quote testimony correctly. Fritz didn’t say those words.

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The malarkey about Oswald eating in the Domino Room was invented in order to cover-up the fact Oswald regularly ate in the 2nd floor lunch room...They didn't want the fact Oswald didn't consider himself a worker, and Truly allowed it because he was an agent provocateur, to come out and expose the real deal...They didn't want the fact that Oswald was in that lunch room during the assassination to come out...

Complete fabrication with no evidence whatsoever to support it.

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My spearheading the final solving of the case has led to my banishment by an ignoramus moderator who was protecting his friends...

You couldn’t “spearhead” your way out of a wet paper bag.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 01:28:02 AM

Josephs just seriously crossed swords with Kamp by 100% agreeing with me and putting Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room...

Kamp is not responding because he doesn't seriously believe what he published about Mrs Reid on his website...

Iacoletti also has access to the EF and even though he incessantly T***** me on the exact same claims he doesn't touch Josephs and stays quiet...

Behavioral profiling tells you both those men do not really believe what they write...If they did they would go after Josephs...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 07, 2019, 02:16:17 AM
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Iacoletti also has access to the EF and even though he incessantly T***** me on the exact same claims he doesn't touch Josephs and stays quiet...

Why would you assume that I even saw it? In fact, why are you even discussing what people say on other forums?

In my experience, David Josephs doesn’t just make things up out of thin air like you do.

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Behavioral profiling tells you both those men do not really believe what they write...If they did they would go after Josephs...

“Behavioral profiling”. Just more made up Doyle BS to try to make himself sound scientific.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 07, 2019, 04:38:05 AM
Brian,

It's interesting that both you and Josephs have the zany (imho) idea that there were two Oswalds and ... gulp ... two Marguerites(yes?) ... and ... gulp ... two ...

-- MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 04:43:43 AM
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Brian,

It's interesting that both you and Josephs have the zany (imho) idea that there were two Oswald's and ... gulp ... two Margerites ... and ... gulp ... two ...

-- MWT   ;)

Why there would be two Mrs Reid's I don't know...However all I can say is we made progress on Moricet's site with my photo and helpful additions by Moricet...When I complained about Iacoletti's vandalism of the site with his disingenuous nay-saying Moricet decided to keep Iacolleti and ban me...

Where we were before Iacoletti's t******* was rewarded and the initiator who provided the important evidence was blocked and banned, was that we thought we found photographic evidence that the two women looked different...

In any case, Josephs rejects Prayer Man being Oswald and admits the 2nd floor lunch room encounter is real...That's progress and correct...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 07, 2019, 05:23:57 AM
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Why there would be two Mrs Reid's I don't know...However all I can say is we made progress on Moricet's site with my photo and helpful additions by Moricet...When I complained about Iacoletti's vandalism of the site with his disingenuous nay-saying Moricet decided to keep Iacolleti and ban me...

Where we were before Iacoletti's t******* was rewarded and the initiator who provided the important evidence was blocked and banned, was that we thought we found photographic evidence that the two women looked different...

In any case, Josephs rejects Prayer Man being Oswald and admits the 2nd floor lunch room encounter is real...That's progress and correct...

Brian (and Brian),

Please re-write your second paragraph so as to make it intelligible for us mere mortals.

Thanks,

... the-one-and-only MWT  ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 07, 2019, 06:05:08 AM
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Why there would be two Mrs Reid's I don't know...However all I can say is we made progress on Moricet's site with my photo and helpful additions by Moricet...

And by “we made progress”, you mean you made up a bunch of false crap and everybody else rolled their eyes. As usual.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 04:10:34 PM
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Brian (and Brian),

Please re-write your second paragraph so as to make it intelligible for us mere mortals.

Thanks,

... the-one-and-only MWT  ;)

Over on Moricet's Facebook JFK assassination photos and videos page we found images of Mrs Reid out front on the sidewalk after the assassination and in the police station and the woman in those images looked different than the woman in the photo from Sarah Stanton's Book Depository employee photo album that was labeled "Jeraldean Reid"...In other words proof of Groden's claim...

What is the academic purpose of vindictively disallowing any mention of banned poster and his important work?...What the cowards over on the EF don't answer to is Gordon is doing so under the suggestion that it aids the site in its purpose of pursuit of assassination evidence...But in my case when I present information that leads the membership to the correct evidence and away from provably wrong evidence Gordon's actions actually act in direct opposition to that implied purpose of good academic moderation...Gordon is doing it for purposes of spite and feeling powerful by destroying people who happen to correctly call him out on his mis-moderation...A person like that should never be in charge of such an intellectual board...An important conversation is being stifled because of this with the members not holding the real violator accountable and that arrogant actor not answering for it...There can be no legitimate reason for the prevention of important debate information for reasons of personal spite...Gordon cannot say he is acting for board purposes when there is no question his actions directly result in vital conversations and information being excluded...The membership there has proven its intellectual cowardice and lined up behind a bully... Both Denny Zartman and Josephs learned their present positions on the 2nd floor lunch room from me...That means I am directly influencing the input over there from my research despite Gordon's best anti-intellectual efforts to destroy me...Because of Gordon's corrupted favoritism the board is now warped and politically skewed to the point that 24 hours later no one dare threaten the bias towards Kamp by honestly answering Josephs' declaration that Mrs Reid's witnessing was real and Oswald was in the lunch room...So Gordon is by definition, like Lauren Johnson, acting in direct opposition to his board's publicly-declared purpose and is the objectively described problem over there...You've got an arrogant pompous ass who has too much power and is beating people up for personal reasons and calling it moderation...

The only reason Kamp is not confronting Josephs is because Kamp is a little ball-less dirty coward and weasel who operates by censorship and runs to the shadows because he doesn't honestly believe the disinformation he posts...James Gordon "I am pleased with the current way the board is running"...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 07, 2019, 06:53:01 PM
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Over on Moricet's Facebook JFK assassination photos and videos page we found images of Mrs Reid out front on the sidewalk after the assassination and in the police station and the woman in those images looked different than the woman in the photo from Sarah Stanton's Book Depository employee photo album that was labeled "Jeraldean Reid"...

No, “we” found images of women for whom there is no evidence whatsoever that either one was ever named “Mrs Reid”.

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In other words proof of Groden's claim...

It does nothing whatsoever to prove Groden’s claim.

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Both Denny Zartman and Josephs learned their present positions on the 2nd floor lunch room from me...

Unadulterated BS.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 08:58:34 PM
David Josephs wrote:

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An 11-23-63 statement to the Dallas County Sheriff’s Dept. signed by depository janitor Eddie Piper confirms: “Yesterday, at 12:00 noon, this fellow Lee says to me 'I’m going up to eat' and I went on to my lunch. I went to a front window on the first floor and ate my lunch and waited to see the President's parade go by. I saw the President pass and heard some shots and looked at the clock there and saw it was 12:25PM.” (19H499)
 
Pat, "I'm going up to eat" surely suggests that Oswald did NOT eat in the Domino room as the rest of the evidence shows....  I read MRS. REID's testimony at that spot and it seems to me she is avoiding saying that while she was left alone by the younger girls, "THEY" = "MEN" from BELIN's question

A Josephs correctly points-out, there is no doubt from this witness testimony that Oswald told Piper he was going upstairs to eat lunch...He was on the 1st floor when he told Piper that because that was where Piper worked and it is also where Piper told the Commission he was during the assassination...Even the statement itself makes clear that Piper then stayed on the 1st floor and went and ate lunch by the window...

Oswald was next witnessed by Sarah Stanton when she saw him out on the 2nd floor staircase landing outside the 2nd floor lunch room...He had a Coke so he either bought it in the lunch room and went back out to the staircase landing or he bought a Dr Pepper downstairs and brought it up...Oswald was obviously waiting for Mrs Reid and the other ladies to leave the lunch room...He told Stanton that he was not going out to watch the motorcade but was instead going back in to the break room (2nd floor lunch room)...

The misinformation of Oswald eating in the Domino Room was either deliberately planted by Oswald himself or by the Fritz interviewers in order to cover-up the fact Oswald regularly ate in the 2nd floor lunch room and therefore had special status as an agent provocateur that was known by Truly...Or it was planted in order to avoid the obvious - that Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the assassination as was verified by Stanton, Arnold, and now Piper...Baker & Truly were additional witnesses to this fact...

In her Commission testimony Mrs Reid shows tensioned carefulness when Belin asked her who else was in the lunch room...It is obvious that Mrs Reid is avoiding mentioning any names because Belin doesn't want to interview any of those witnesses like maybe Sarah Stanton who saw Oswald lurking in order to go back in that lunch room...And who knows what other ladies may have seen Oswald there too...I think we have exposed a huge incriminating sector of the conspiracy cover-up here as well as witnessing of Oswald's true location...And gee I wonder who the man who Belin is obviously worried about is?... (Maybe Oswald????)

Jim DiEugenio backs the false version and then commits the much worse offense of giving endorsement to its unholy source...Jim speaks in a swagger that he aspires to the best evidence and more importantly the best honest standard of fairly and freely discussing that evidence...But when all this springs to its obvious conclusion he is nowhere to be found and the great proclaimer of good research and exposing dishonest practices is suddenly quiet and nowhere to be found...

On the Gordon-led website no one comments when the correct evidence finally comes in to focus and 100% endorses what I was saying 3 years ago when I was banned for correctly saying it against the misguided 95% board majority.

"You mean Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the assassination?...Well that means he couldn't have been Prayer Man...Hey, therefore Brian Doyle was right 3 years ago when he tried to tell us that...Well, we don't have to admit it or do what the board was designed for and follow the evidence to its proper conclusion because we have Lord Minister Gordon telling us there is no speaking for banned members...Oh by the way, if Doyle was right the whole time what was he banned for?..."



Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
Kamp is so dumb that he actually just posted that Mrs Reid seeing Oswald in a T-shirt vs Officer Baker seeing him in a long sleeved brown shirt disqualifies Mrs Reid's witnessing...

But wait a minute, wasn't it Kamp himself who was saying the 2nd floor lunch room encounter never happened?...Isn't Kamp kind of stupid for making such a stupid gaffe in public and not realizing how it makes him look...It seems Kamp can't keep track of his main arguments - which only shows how unserious he and his posts are...If the 2nd floor lunch room encounter never happened then Baker's witnessing of a long sleeved brown shirt can't be used can it Mr Bozo Bart...

We'll see how long it takes Gordon's eunuchs over on the EF to point that out...

Never does it dawn on Kamp that the answer to what he cites is seen in Armstrong...

Kamp is dishonest because he avoids answering how the now-established T-shirt Oswald corroborates the two Oswalds seen by Frazier and Craig...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Pointing on September 07, 2019, 11:01:09 PM
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Kamp is so dumb that he actually just posted that Mrs Reid seeing Oswald in a T-shirt vs Officer Baker seeing him in a long sleeved brown shirt disqualifies Mrs Reid's witnessing...

But wait a minute, wasn't it Kamp himself who was saying the 2nd floor lunch room encounter never happened?...Isn't Kamp kind of stupid for making such a stupid gaffe in public and not realizing how it makes him look...It seems Kamp can't keep track of his main arguments - which only shows how unserious he and his posts are...If the 2nd floor lunch room encounter never happened then Baker's witnessing of a long sleeved brown shirt can't be used can it Mr Bozo Bart...

We'll see how long it takes Gordon's eunuchs over on the EF to point that out...

Never does it dawn on Kamp that the answer to what he cites is seen in Armstrong...

Kamp is dishonest because he avoids answering how the now-established T-shirt Oswald corroborates the two Oswalds seen by Frazier and Craig...

Why are you giving us a running commentary on what's being posted at the EF? If any of us want to know what's being posted there we can visit the site ourselves.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 11:10:18 PM
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Why are you giving us a running commentary on what's being posted at the EF? If any of us want to know what's being posted there we can visit the site ourselves.

Why are you avoiding answering its substance?

Maybe because it validates me and therefore shows your negative posts against me aren't credible?...

Because it proves a case of evidence I posted 3 years ago on the EF and over here that people are now admitting was correct but not honestly admitting I was correct?...(And I got banned for posting)...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Tom Scully on September 07, 2019, 11:32:53 PM
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Why are you avoiding answering its substance?

Maybe because it validates me and therefore shows your negative posts against me aren't credible?...

Because it proves a case of evidence I posted 3 years ago on the EF and over here that people are now admitting was correct but not honestly admitting I was correct?...(And I got banned for posting)...

Taking you at all seriously is a result laid squarely at your feet. http://prayerwoman.com
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 07, 2019, 11:45:16 PM
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Taking you at all seriously is a result laid squarely at your feet. http://prayerwoman.com

You're not answering the points Mr Scully...

Josephs and Zartman take me seriously because they are now quoting my material...

You take me seriously because you so obviously avoid my points that you can't directly answer...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 08, 2019, 06:03:12 AM
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Josephs and Zartman take me seriously because they are now quoting my material...

When have they ever “quoted your material”?

The only time anyone quotes your “material” is to point out that it’s false.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 08, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Pat Speer is continuing his tradition of being right firmly in the mushy middle where you're not really sure which side he's on...He's over on the Education Forum pushing for Oswald being in the Domino Room during the shots...I honestly don't know what to make of Oswald's claim the he saw Norman and Jarman walk through the rear loading dock door...However I do know that thanks to the brute oppression of James Gordon my important discovery of Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald on the 2nd floor staircase is being selectively ignored on the EF...What right does Pat Speer have to ignore serious witnessing that contradicts what he is claiming?...Also Pat seems to be oblivious to Carolyn Arnold and her witnessing of Oswald sitting in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:24...Is Speer a victim of Kamp's brainwashing to the point that he ignores important evidence?...

The sole reason there are not faster responses and more activity on that thread to point these things out to Speer is because the posters involved know there is much more to it and that the real evidence is being suppressed so they are reticent to post what they know is dishonest information...That thread proves that the current JFK community is dysfunctional and does not seek the best evidence...They prefer persecutions and dictators...

If we entertain both Speer's and Kamp's versions we have Oswald going up to get a Coke, then going back downstairs to the Domino Room, but then going back up to be seen by Carolyn Arnold alone sitting and eating lunch by himself in the 2nd floor snack bar lunch room...Does Oswald go back downstairs again after Carolyn Arnold?...Because he then has to go back up to be seen by Mrs Reid...That's a lot of back and forth when the real explanation is much simpler and places Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room where every single witness saw him while no witness saw him in the Domino Room...This information is censored on the EF so Gordon can cater to his favorites while excluding what is probably the correct evidence and taking an attitude while doing so...

We'll see what Josephs has as backbone...My guess is he'll cowar behind the political skirt of the dominators and Gordon's coddling intimidation and not chime in and defend his now correct backing of my evidence...

Why doesn't Jim DiEugenio go to Oliver Stone's website and tell him he got it wrong in his movie and that he recommends a look at Greg Parker's nutty website?...Why doesn't Jim D post at that website that he supports and recommends people read?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 08, 2019, 08:17:18 PM
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However I do know that thanks to the brute oppression of James Gordon my important discovery of Sarah Stanton seeing Oswald on the 2nd floor staircase is being selectively ignored on the EF...

That’s because you completely made up this “discovery”. There’s no evidence for it.

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What right does Pat Speer have to ignore serious witnessing that contradicts what he is claiming?...

What right do you have to make up stories and call them “serious witnessing”?

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If we entertain both Speer's and Kamp's versions we have Oswald going up to get a Coke, then going back downstairs to the Domino Room, but then going back up to be seen by Carolyn Arnold alone sitting and eating lunch by himself in the 2nd floor snack bar lunch room...

No we don’t. We have no reason to think that Oswald went to the domino room before Carolyn Arnold saw him.

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Does Oswald go back downstairs again after Carolyn Arnold?...Because he then has to go back up to be seen by Mrs Reid...

So what?

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That's a lot of back and forth when the real explanation is much simpler and places Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room where every single witness saw him while no witness saw him in the Domino Room...

Just because you think an explanation is “simpler”, that doesn’t make it true.

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We'll see what Josephs has as backbone...My guess is he'll cowar behind the political skirt of the dominators and Gordon's coddling intimidation and not chime in and defend his now correct backing of my evidence...

Nobody has ever “backed” your evidence. You have no evidence.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 09, 2019, 12:55:10 PM
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Taking you at all seriously is a result laid squarely at your feet. http://prayerwoman.com

When going to your offered 'prayerwoman' web page, my 'infection detected' lit up everywhere, Tom.  Need one be 'innoculated' to enter?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 09, 2019, 03:47:53 PM

Mark OBlazney:

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You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

John Iacoletti:

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You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 09, 2019, 03:53:23 PM

The intellectual eunuch Josephs decided not to back up his public admission that he agreed with my finding of Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room...And no one is asking him because they don't want to know...

Under Gordon's oversight the EF and its members work against the correct evidence and do so by means of unfair banning and censorship...No one is brave enough to stand up to Gordon and his corruption...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 09, 2019, 10:16:31 PM
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Mark OBlazney:

John Iacoletti:

Doyle:

False information
Narcissism
Whine
Complain
Talk about people on other forums
False information
Made up stories

Lather, rinse, repeat
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 09, 2019, 10:18:07 PM
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The intellectual eunuch Josephs decided not to back up his public admission that he agreed with my finding of Oswald being in the 2nd floor lunch room...And no one is asking him because they don't want to know...

Your finding?

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 10, 2019, 07:46:20 PM

Because of the domination of the Prayer Man mob no further look in to comparing the sidewalk Mrs Reid to the Stanton photo album Jerladean Reid is done...

That group over at the EF is cool killing further important research as along as it comes with the evil buzz of serving their own personal spite...

Jim DiEugenio:  "It's a good rule"..
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 10, 2019, 08:59:00 PM
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Because of the domination of the Prayer Man mob no further look in to comparing the sidewalk Mrs Reid to the Stanton photo album Jerladean Reid is done...

There is no "sidewalk Mrs. Reid".
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 11, 2019, 08:43:04 PM
Greg Parker must have read this thread because he chimed in on Geraldean Reid over on his troll forum...In that thread Greg suggests that Geraldean Reid may have lied and never went down to watch the motorcade but instead stayed in the Conference Room next to the lunch room instead...This is a prime example of Greg Parker's particular form of make-it-up-as-you-go-along claptrap mumbo-jumbo...Greg uses this typical evidence-mangling contrivance to assert that Reid therefore saw Oswald much earlier than she realized and saw him when he went up to the get Coke before the assassination...This is typical Greg Parker fare...When you get to evidence that obviously works against your Prayer Man distortions you simply attack the inconvenient witness and tell the people who were there what they really saw...And then you have the usual back-slappers that the website is confined to always agree with everything you say and ban anyone else who differs...Parker omits the fact there are photos of Mrs Reid out on the sidewalk in front of the Depository...

What Greg hopes we don't notice is missing from his wayward manifest is the fact Karen Westbrook said clearly in her 6th Floor Museum Interview that Mrs Reid detailed Oswald coming from the lunch room with a Coke to the office ladies when they were all being detained in the 2nd floor office corral immediately after the assassination...That was a time period where the event happened moments earlier so Mrs Reid would not have mistaken the time it happened...Greg omits this because he doesn't want you to realize his entry is BS that goes against the obvious...Like Kamp, Parker quotes the FBI as if it were gospel and the real account of these events...Parker ignores that FBI was caught lying about Carolyn Arnold's witnessing of Oswald in that same location...And now we have a witnessing from Sarah Stanton that all the Prayer Man mob openly ignore with intent...Sarah's witnessing was also radically altered by FBI by being ignored...So in a case where FBI was very worried and did their worst altering of evidence for the obvious reason of avoiding something they knew was dangerous, Parker also decided that isn't worth mentioning also for the reason of not showing people that he is full of it...Even though he is daring to pose himself as a person giving the best analysis of the event Parker dares insult our intelligence by omitting these things and pretending we don't notice...What these painfully-glaring omissions and alterations by FBI were designed to conceal was the fact Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots, but that is only the beginning of the true explanation...

Thanks to James Gordon we have a JFK research community that has a serious dysfunction problem...In a case where the combined threads everyone is reading between forums show that evidence has arisen that shows serious question over Groden being correct and there being two Mrs Reids, that evidence is being ignored by the usual bullies and avoided, even though Moricet made a move to call for its investigation...So what we have here is the bullies who control the JFK research internet by means of banning are actively disinterested in the most important evidence...A competent moderator would do what his job is and guide the thread towards discovery of this evidence, as is the site's publicly declared purpose...Instead we see the interests of those who violate the normal codes of academic conduct served and the most important evidence deliberately denied... There it is right in broad daylight...Moricet seconds my evidence by saying he thought the two images showed different Mrs Reids...Instead of any active pursuit of this evidence, as credible debate requires, we see those in control deliberately ignoring the subject and letting the thread scroll out of view...David Josephs also comes in on my side but instead of confronting it it gets deliberately ignored by the Prayer Man majority who steer things their way even if it takes ignoring incredibly interesting evidence...

Not only does Mrs Reid's witnessing place Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room but it also amazingly confirms a second Oswald in the Depository that was confirmed by Roger Craig...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 11, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
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Greg Parker must have read this thread because he chimed in on Geraldean Reid over on his troll forum...

There was no "Geraldean Reid" at the TSBD.

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This is a prime example of Greg Parker's particular form of make-it-up-as-you-go-along claptrap mumbo-jumbo...

Says the guy with over 500 examples of make-it-up-as-you-go-along claptrap mumbo-jumbo.

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Parker omits the fact there are photos of Mrs Reid out on the sidewalk in front of the Depository...

No there aren't.

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What Greg hopes we don't notice is missing from his wayward manifest is the fact Karen Westbrook said clearly in her 6th Floor Museum Interview that Mrs Reid detailed Oswald coming from the lunch room with a Coke to the office ladies when they were all being detained in the 2nd floor office corral immediately after the assassination...

Still false.

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Like Kamp, Parker quotes the FBI as if it were gospel and the real account of these events...

Says the guy who quotes the FBI when it suits him.  Like with Lovelady's statement about where he stood.

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Parker ignores that FBI was caught lying about Carolyn Arnold's witnessing of Oswald in that same location...

False.  The FBI wasn't "caught lying".

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And now we have a witnessing from Sarah Stanton that all the Prayer Man mob openly ignore with intent...

No we don't.  We have your false account of what Stanton's daughter-in-law claimed that Stanton said.

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Sarah's witnessing was also radically altered by FBI by being ignored...

Fabrication with no evidentiary basis.


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There it is right in broad daylight...Moricet seconds my evidence by saying he thought the two images showed different Mrs Reids...

Patently false.  This is what Morissette (Doyle can't even get his name right) actually said:

"Who “determined” that one of the ladies in the Wiegman film is Mrs. Reid??? Was it a process of elimination? I doubt that this lady is in the color photo made public by a certain banned member. I’m not allowed to mention his name and I cannot post the color photo since I don’t have the permission of that banned individual."
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 11, 2019, 11:41:50 PM
Thank You John Iacoletti...

Iacoletti just violated Gordon's rule that none of my evidence can be shown on the Education Forum...He posted the image of Jeraldean Reid that Wanda Daniel sent me...This is 15 months after she sent it to me that it was finally posted to the Education Forum...The reason for that is because of an ignorant bully named James Gordon who is too stupid to know a good researcher when he sees one...

Gordon is a paper tiger and ass and his rules are obviously silly and disobeyed by members due to their obvious stupidity...

When I sent that image to Groden he told me it was definitely the woman he interviewed...If Iacoletti were more honest and on the ball he would have posted the image of Mrs Reid next to Leavelle in the police station...They appear to be different people, therefore confirming Groden's story...

We'll leave the ethics of stealing my field leading research and banning me for another discussion...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 12, 2019, 12:04:35 AM
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Iacoletti just violated Gordon's rule that none of my evidence can be shown on the Education Forum...He posted the image of Jeraldean Reid that Wanda Daniel sent me...

It's not your evidence.  It's Stanton's photo of Reid.

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If Iacoletti were more honest and on the ball he would have posted the image of Mrs Reid next to Leavelle in the police station...

There is no image of Mrs. Reid next to Leavelle in the police station.

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We'll leave the ethics of stealing my field leading research and banning me for another discussion...

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "research".
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 01:30:48 AM

The research community is dysfunctional...Instead of discussing what the evidence shows Bart Kamp Lancer award-giver Larry Hancock comes in and compliments Pat Speer for his evidence-ignoring placement of Oswald in the Domino Room...Just as if the all the evidence showing a 2nd Jeraldean Reid had never been posted...

No guidance towards what should be shocking new evidence from Gordon and Iacoletti makes excuses instead of posting the shot of the 2nd Mrs Reid sitting next to Leavelle in the police station...

Some research community this is...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 12, 2019, 03:06:07 AM
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The research community is dysfunctional...Instead of discussing what the evidence shows Bart Kamp Lancer award-giver Larry Hancock comes in and compliments Pat Speer for his evidence-ignoring placement of Oswald in the Domino Room...Just as if the all the evidence showing a 2nd Jeraldean Reid had never been posted...

No guidance towards what should be shocking new evidence from Gordon and Iacoletti makes excuses instead of posting the shot of the 2nd Mrs Reid sitting next to Leavelle in the police station...

Some research community this is...

Why are you so obsessed about what people at other forums are posting? 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Martin Weidmann on September 12, 2019, 03:20:54 AM
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Thank You John Iacoletti...

Iacoletti just violated Gordon's rule that none of my evidence can be shown on the Education Forum...He posted the image of Jeraldean Reid that Wanda Daniel sent me...This is 15 months after she sent it to me that it was finally posted to the Education Forum...The reason for that is because of an ignorant bully named James Gordon who is too stupid to know a good researcher when he sees one...

Gordon is a paper tiger and ass and his rules are obviously silly and disobeyed by members due to their obvious stupidity...

When I sent that image to Groden he told me it was definitely the woman he interviewed...If Iacoletti were more honest and on the ball he would have posted the image of Mrs Reid next to Leavelle in the police station...They appear to be different people, therefore confirming Groden's story...

We'll leave the ethics of stealing my field leading research and banning me for another discussion...

Iacoletti just violated Gordon's rule that none of my evidence can be shown on the Education Forum

Huh?.... You sound (and probably are) confused

He posted the image of Jeraldean Reid that Wanda Daniel sent me.

Where?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Pointing on September 12, 2019, 10:20:52 AM
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Why are you so obsessed about what people at other forums are posting?

EXACTLY!!  Thumb1: And why does he think anyone here's interested.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 12, 2019, 03:17:53 PM
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The research community is dysfunctional...Instead of discussing what the evidence shows Bart Kamp Lancer award-giver Larry Hancock comes in and compliments Pat Speer for his evidence-ignoring placement of Oswald in the Domino Room...Just as if the all the evidence showing a 2nd Jeraldean Reid had never been posted...

There is no evidence showing a 2nd Jeraldean Reid.  You made it up.

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No guidance towards what should be shocking new evidence from Gordon and Iacoletti makes excuses instead of posting the shot of the 2nd Mrs Reid sitting next to Leavelle in the police station...

There is no shot of the 2nd Mrs Reid sitting next to Leavelle in the police station.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 12, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
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Why are you so obsessed about what people at other forums are posting?

Because this is the only forum he hasn't been banned from.  Yet.  So he says everything here that he wishes he could say on the other forums.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 04:04:24 PM

Iacoletti posted serious evidence on the Education Forum of there being two Jeraldean Reid's...It was ignored and Gordon's favorites were allowed to come in and switch the subject...Even its initiator Moricet didn't come back and address the subject he brought up...Again, this is the definition of goofy community dysfunction...Pat Speer has a moderator avatar and he is assisting in this unaccountable ignoring of serious evidence...The discussion has been hijacked to Speer's attempt to place Oswald in the Domino Room...Those who confront Speer allow him to ignore Carolyn Arnold and Sarah Stanton's witnessing of Oswald in or near the 2nd floor lunch room...Speer concentrates on Oswald's seeing of Norman and Jarman as they entered the rear entrance...I don't know the answer to that...It is possible Oswald saw or heard the pair as they rode the elevator past the 2nd floor staircase landing...It is also possible Oswald was in the Domino Room at 12:20 and followed the pair as they went upstairs, stopping off at the 2nd floor staircase landing where Stanton saw him...Whatever the explanation, Oswald's seeing of the "negro employees" does not lock him in to the Domino Room during the shooting...Speaking of the elephant in the room, those who argue with Speer allow him to ignore the witnesses who actually put Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:24...

Jim DiEugenio always calls for on-topic... The topic of the thread that has been hijacked to Oswald in the Domino Room is Mrs Reid...Yesterday Iacoletti posted a photo of a Jerladean Reid that was found in Sarah Stanton's Book Depository photo album...When I sent it to Groden he told me that was the woman he interviewed...If you compare it to the photo of Mrs Robert Reid that is seen sitting next to Leavelle at the police station you can see that the two women appear to be different...Denis Moricet pointed this out...So while Jim D is always quick to call for on-topic order no one does that here as some incredibly important material is ignored and posted around with mundane discussion of the Domino Room...Speer seems disinterested in discussing the fact Mrs Reid claimed to have seen Oswald come from the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke right after the Baker & Truly encounter...And to cap-off his true Lone Nutter status, Speer says "If Oswald shot JFK from the 6th floor"...

God forbid Iacoletti ever honestly post the full issue in its intelligently-explained full context as he posts my discovery over there...Apparently the intellectual body of researchers over on the EF isn't interested in incredibly important new evidence that shows Groden could be correct and there actually were two Mrs Reids...Groden claimed that his deep throat source told him the Warren Commission deliberately labeled the woman they interviewed "Mrs Robert Reid" in order to separate her from the "Jeraldean Reid" seen in the image from Sarah Stanton's photo album...The evidence for this doesn't seem to be of interest to the Gordon- selected dummy consensus over on the EF...Where is the great Jim DiEugenio?...David Josephs also chickens-out and doesn't stand up for his endorsement of my claim that Oswald was in the 2nd floor lunch room and Mrs Reid's witnessing was real...Apparently the EF functions to avoid the correct evidence instead of pursuing it...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 12, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
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Iacoletti posted serious evidence on the Education Forum of there being two Jeraldean Reid's...

False.  All I posted was Stanton's alleged 1967 photo of Reid.

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Those who confront Speer allow him to ignore Carolyn Arnold and Sarah Stanton's witnessing of Oswald in or near the 2nd floor lunch room...

They are talking about where Oswald was at the time of the assassination, not 5-15 minutes before.  And there's no evidence that Stanton saw Oswald in or near the 2nd floor lunch room.  You made that up.

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Speer concentrates on Oswald's seeing of Norman and Jarman as they entered the rear entrance...I don't know the answer to that...It is possible Oswald saw or heard the pair as they rode the elevator past the 2nd floor staircase landing...It is also possible Oswald was in the Domino Room at 12:20 and followed the pair as they went upstairs, stopping off at the 2nd floor staircase landing where Stanton saw him...Whatever the explanation, Oswald's seeing of the "negro employees" does not lock him in to the Domino Room during the shooting...

And Arnold's seeing of Oswald at 12:15 or 12:25 does not lock him in the second floor lunchroom during the shooting either.

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Speaking of the elephant in the room, those who argue with Speer allow him to ignore the witnesses who actually put Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots...

Which is exactly nobody.

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Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:24...

I don't know where you got 12:24.  Made it up?

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Jim DiEugenio always calls for on-topic... The topic of the thread that has been hijacked to Oswald in the Domino Room is Mrs Reid...Yesterday Iacoletti posted a photo of a Jerladean Reid that was found in Sarah Stanton's Book Depository photo album...When I sent it to Groden he told me that was the woman he interviewed...

Ok, so far.  But who told Groden that Mrs. Robert Reid was named "Delores"?  And if he talked to Jeraldean Reid before her death in 1973, why did he wait 40 more years to tell her story?

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If you compare it to the photo of Mrs Robert Reid that is seen sitting next to Leavelle at the police station you can see that the two women appear to be different...

There is no photo of Mrs Robert Reid that is seen sitting next to Leavelle at the police station.

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Denis Moricet pointed this out...

Morissette didn't say anything about the Sunday Leavelle photo in that thread.

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Speer seems disinterested in discussing the fact Mrs Reid claimed to have seen Oswald come from the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke right after the Baker & Truly encounter...

Why would he be?  You made that up.

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God forbid Iacoletti ever honestly post the full issue in its intelligently-explained full context as he posts my discovery over there...

Your "discovery" is made-up BS about a second Mrs Reid who didn't exist.  Why would I want to call attention to that?

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Apparently the intellectual body of researchers over on the EF isn't interested in incredibly important new evidence that shows Groden could be correct and there actually were two Mrs Reids...

A photo of Jeraldean Reid is not "important new evidence" of two Mrs Reids.  There was one:  Jeraldean Bray Reid (24 Aug 1912 - 21 Apr 1973).

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Groden claimed that his deep throat source told him the Warren Commission deliberately labeled the woman they interviewed "Mrs Robert Reid" in order to separate her from the "Jeraldean Reid" seen in the image from Sarah Stanton's photo album...

Groden was wrong and/or he was punked.  Jeraldean Reid was Mrs Robert Reid.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 06:01:36 PM

It goes to show the ethical nature of the incompetent crooks running the Education Forum that my discovery is stolen and I am excluded from my own work...Moricet finally posted the comparison photo of the Mrs Reid at the police station and it looks like a different person than the woman in Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...

It has taken 15 months since I discovered this for it to be posted on the EF thanks to Gordon's reverse moderation where good evidence is censored off the board by his bully oversight and takes 15 months to finally get recognized...So who is the insulter and who is indisciplined?...Who is the person who has been shown the rules and refuses to listen?...

It's a little slow over there on the EF...This evidence has been posted and there is still a retarded lack of reaction...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 12, 2019, 06:05:26 PM
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It goes to show the ethical nature of the incompetent crooks running the Education Forum that my discovery is stolen and I am excluded from my own work...Moricet finally posted the comparison photo of the Mrs Reid at the police station and it looks like a different person than the woman in Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...

This is not complicated.  The woman sitting next to Leavelle in the photo from Sunday is not Mrs Reid.  Nobody ever said she was.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 07:41:36 PM

Iacoletti asks a disingenuous question over on the Education Forum...He asks how we know the woman sitting next to Leavelle at the police station is Mrs Reid...Iacoletti already knows the answer...That woman is obviously the same woman who was called Mrs Reid in the photos of the lady employees standing on the sidewalk...You can see it is the same lady...

Also Leavelle only interviewed 3 people...Scoggins, Truly, and Mrs Reid...Since she's the only woman it has to be her (not to mention you can see it is the same lady labeled Mrs Reid in photos from the Depository sidewalk after the motorcade)...

Iacoletti will respond by asking a whole series of questions that pretend he is trying to find proof for all these things but his real purpose is just to throw continuous wrenches in to the works in order to screw up the discussion...

It's a little mentally slow on the EF because the evidence is right there on display in the thread but no one seems to want to comment on it...Kamp website member Steve Thomas offers identification of Leavelle's interview but ignores the main point of there being two Jerladean Reids...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
The person next to Leavelle is not Ruby's sister...It is obviously the same woman with the same glasses as the woman photographed on the sidewalk...Who else would Leavelle be sitting next to so comfortably in an interview posture?...

It is amazing how spine-less JFK researchers are that they let Gordon dictate who they can mention and who they can't mention instead of seeing Gordon's desperation as the need by a bully to destroy somebody who he knows correctly called him on his incompetency...Gordon is just an idiot who took the moderator job because no one else wanted to...The fact you are citing my evidence speaks for itself about who has credibility...

Ruby's sister is seen wearing those high-winged glasses all the time so it isn't her...

You're giving away too much Moricet...Show them the glasses of the woman on the sidewalk...They are the same as those on the woman next to Leavelle...Or are you afraid to post correct evidence because of the intimidating dictator bully Gordon so he can serve idiots?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 10:07:03 PM

Total dishonest dysfunction...

The reason Lance Payette doesn't understand where Moricet is going is because the bully incompetent Gordon banned the one person who could put it together best while lying to the public and saying he was concerned about quality of content...Just the opposite...Gordon and his incompetent spite-based moderation are directly responsible for serious proven evidence not being adequately explained as that evidence trickles on to the Education Forum despite his anti-intellectual oppression...

So far they managed to post images of Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk in front of the Depository and sitting next to Leavelle...Those Mrs Reid's are obviously the same person...However the evidence discussion-challenged EF members seem to be having trouble then comparing those images to the image of Jeraldean Reid from Sarah Stanton's photo album...They appear to be very much different people...I have trouble believing these people can't figure that out...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 12, 2019, 10:19:09 PM
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Total dishonest dysfunction...

The reason Lance Payette doesn't understand where Moricet is going is because the bully incompetent Gordon banned the one person who could put it together best while lying to the public and saying he was concerned about quality of content...Just the opposite...Gordon and his incompetent spite-based moderation are directly responsible for serious proven evidence not being adequately explained as that evidence trickles on to the Education Forum despite his anti-intellectual oppression...

So far they managed to post images of Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk in front of the Depository and sitting next to Leavelle...Those Mrs Reid's are obviously the same person...However the evidence discussion-challenged EF members seem to be having trouble then comparing those images to the image of Jeraldean Reid from Sarah Stanton's photo album...They appear to be very much different people...I have trouble believing these people can't figure that out...

Why should anyone trust the CTer and self-described photo expert Robert Groden?

--  MWT  ;)

EDIT: I think the woman in Wiegman on 12/22/63  and the woman on the couch with Levelle on 11/23/63 could be the same people, in different moods, postures
and photographed differently.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 12, 2019, 10:27:14 PM
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Total dishonest dysfunction...

The reason Lance Payette doesn't understand where Moricet is going is because the bully incompetent Gordon banned the one person who could put it together best while lying to the public and saying he was concerned about quality of content...Just the opposite...Gordon and his incompetent spite-based moderation are directly responsible for serious proven evidence not being adequately explained as that evidence trickles on to the Education Forum despite his anti-intellectual oppression...

So far they managed to post images of Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk in front of the Depository and sitting next to Leavelle...Those Mrs Reid's are obviously the same person...However the evidence discussion-challenged EF members seem to be having trouble then comparing those images to the image of Jeraldean Reid from Sarah Stanton's photo album...They appear to be very much different people...I have trouble believing these people can't figure that out...
dang, doyle, you need to chill, dude.  don't be surprised if they start a thread about you over there, like they have at that website down under.  alex wilson is the Work !!
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 12, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
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Why should anyone trust the CTer and self-described photo expert Robert Groden?

--  MWT  ;)

EDIT: Regardless, I think the woman in Wiegman and in another photographic image taken an hour or two after the assassination, and the woman on the couch with Leavelle on 11/23/63 are definitely the same people (same coat, same purse, same glasses, same hairstyle), and that she's probably the same woman who's in "your" color photo, but in a different mood and posture.

What say you, Brian Doyle?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 12, 2019, 11:30:27 PM
If there was a lot more detail in both of these images then we could say for sure but there is a reasonable probability that sidewalk woman is interview woman.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

JohnM
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
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What say you, Brian Doyle?

I say stop trying to switch the subject with straw men and answer the evidence that was shown...

Go look at the present thread on the EF...Jim D hasn't demanded on-topic like he usually does...You would think that thread did not possess proof of two Jeraldean Reid's from the present evasive conversation that is being had...

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 12, 2019, 11:34:11 PM
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If there was a lot more detail in both of these images then we could say for sure but there is a reasonable probability that sidewalk woman is interview woman.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

JohnM

Well done Mytton...No doubt...

Same glasses...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 12, 2019, 11:37:07 PM
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If there was a lot more detail in both of these images then we could say for sure but there is a reasonable probability that sidewalk woman is interview woman.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

JohnM

Excellent post, John.

Edit:  Interested members and guests can find her 1930 high school photo (in which she looks very much like the woman in "Brian's" color photo) by scrolling down on the following link to "Reid, Geraldine [sic], WITNESS"

(Credit Linda Giovanna Zambanini)

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/09/15/witnesses-and-suspects-in-dealey-plaza/

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 12, 2019, 11:54:17 PM
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I say stop trying to switch the subject with straw men and answer the evidence that was shown...

Go look at the present thread on the EF...Jim D hasn't demanded on-topic like he usually does...You would think that thread did not possess proof of two Jeraldean Reid's from the present evasive conversation that is being had...

Brian,

If you will read my most recent post, above, and follow the instructions in it,  you'll see that the woman in "your" color photo is the same person who in Wiegman was standing near Roy Truly and Occhus Campbell during the motorcade, and who was photographed on 11/23/63 while being interviewed by Jim Leavelle -- Jeraldean Reid, aka Mrs. Robert Reid.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 13, 2019, 12:05:41 AM
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Well done Mytton...No doubt...

Same glasses...

The forehead shape with the thickened eyebrows appear to be common in both as is the protruding chin, the hair length appears roughly the same but the cheekbones of sidewalk woman are very pronounced which makes sharp shadows but interview woman's face perhaps due to the lighting and the low resolution looks a little softer? As previously noted internet video captures tend to be poor and at the mercy of whatever jpeg compression was used, so it is what it is.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 01:13:04 AM
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The forehead shape with the thickened eyebrows appear to be common in both as is the protruding chin, the hair length appears roughly the same but the cheekbones of sidewalk woman are very pronounced which makes sharp shadows but interview woman's face perhaps due to the lighting and the low resolution looks a little softer? As previously noted internet video captures tend to be poor and at the mercy of whatever jpeg compression was used, so it is what it is.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

JohnM

Do doubt, whatsoever, John.

And don't forget that J. Giles song, First I Look At The Purse.  (And the coat, and the glasses, and the hairstyle, and the FBI statements.)

Have you gone to that website I linked in my above post and looked at Jeraldean's 1930 high school photo, yet, like I suggested that Brian do?

(There's a marked resemblance between that gal and the woman in "Brian's" color photo, imho.)

--  MWT  ;)

PS  You know that I found Roy Truly and Occhus Campbell in Weigman a few years ago, before I was banned at the EF, right?  Well, our Jeraldeane was standing near them in just like she and they said in their statements.

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 01:15:47 AM
It just dawned on me that doubles may have been kept in reserve in this CIA operation and that the presence of Jeraldean Reid inside on the 2nd floor witnessing Oswald may have necessitated the planting of Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk and as a witness for purposes of damage control...

Her not being a visibly similar-looking double would bespeak the last second nature of this damage control doubling for the purpose of disappearing a seriously compromising witnessing...

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 01:20:35 AM
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It just dawned on me that doubles may have been kept in reserve in this CIA operation and that the presence of Jeraldean Reid inside on the 2nd floor witnessing Oswald may have necessitated the planting of Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk and as a witness for purposes of damage control...

Her not being a visibly similar-looking double would bespeak the last second nature of this damage control doubling for the purpose of disappearing a seriously compromising witnessing...

 

"Paranoia and conspiratorial thinking strike deep. Into your heart they will creep ..."

--  MWT   Walk:
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 01:24:46 AM
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If there was a lot more detail in both of these images then we could say for sure but there is a reasonable probability that sidewalk woman is interview woman.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

JohnM

Wow, John! Well done! Same woman.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 01:54:35 AM
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Wow, John! Well done! Same woman.


Yes, and she's the same woman who's in "Brian's" color photo.

In other words, there was only one Geraldine Reid [sic] at the TSBD, after all.

Have you seen Jeraldean (Bray) Reid's 1930 high school photo, yet?

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/09/15/witnesses-and-suspects-in-dealey-plaza/

--  MWT  ;)

PS:  Morissette is viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing, viewing ...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 03:38:38 AM
The 1930 girl is surely the color photo one. But none of these look that much like the Reid in the Cooper film. I was wrong about the girl with Leavelle, so I could be wrong about the color photo girl.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 03:43:38 AM
I added the 1930 photo to my blog which link you pasted above. I’m adding several photos of other witnesses and TSBD employees. Many of the work of Linda Z.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 05:25:11 AM
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I added the 1930 photo to my blog which link you pasted above. I’m adding several photos of other witnesses and TSBD employees. Many of the work of Linda Z.

Denis,

Going from memory here, but wasn't TSBD employee Mrs. Robert Reid's maiden name Bray, and didn't Mrs. Robert Reid say she watched the motorcade from in front of the TSBD "with" Roy Truly and/or Occhus Campbell," and/or they with her?

A couple of years ago I discovered fedora-and-suit-wearing Truly, and tall, white-shirt-wearing Campbell to the right of the steps in Wiegman, only about 10 feet to the right of Mrs. Robert Reid, aka Jeraldean (Bray) Reid, whose face is partially obscured behind another woman (Virgie Rackley Baker?). 

Linda Giovanna Zambanini concurred with me on all of this. Scroll down to the labled and fuzzy Wiegman frame under "RICHIE, BONNIE -- WITNESS AND TSBD EMPLOYEE" to see where Truly and Campbell were standing, pretty close to where Reid and Virgie Rackley Baker, et al., were standing. https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/09/15/witnesses-and-suspects-in-dealey-plaza/

It's all documented at the EF if you care to look it up.

Fwiw, that website (or Wordpress page, actually) still has Jacob, Holt and Simmons misidentified as "Calvery, Hicks and Reed," and it still has the Running Woman on Elm Street Extension (Karan Hicks) incongruously misidentified as Gloria Calvery.

LOL

What a mess.

Whose Wordpress page is that, anyway?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 05:51:10 AM
Yes, it is a mess. It takes time and effort to clean it up. The Witnesses and Suspects blog is mine. A few minutes ago I added one image of Truly. Tomorrow I’ll post the Wiegman frame showing him. Linda identified Campbell in 3 images, a man with a suit and tie. Regarding Reid, she did say she watched the parade and that she positioned herself behind Truly. She is partially hidden by a woman in front of her by a lady in a white blouse believed to be named Betty Dragon by Linda and also hidden by Ms. Rackley.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 05:54:46 AM
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Yes, it is a mess. It takes time and effort to clean it up. The Witnesses and Suspects blog is mine. A few minutes ago I added one image of Truly. Tomorrow I’ll post the Wiegman frame showing him. Linda identified Campbell in 3 images, a man with a suit and tie. Regarding Reid, she did say she watched the parade and that she positioned herself behind Truly. She is partially hidden by a woman in front of her by a lady in a white blouse believed to be named Betty Dragon by Linda and also hidden by Ms. Rackle.

Did she say she was behind Truly?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  It's interesting that I wasn't given credit for finding Truly and Campbell in the Wiegman film, but that's okay I guess.

Thanks for labeling Jacob, Holt and Simmons correctly in Zapruder and Darnell clip.

As I see it, the only problem you have now is you have (big, tall) "Gloria Calvery" running down Elm Street Extension when in fact that lithe, average-sized gal was the gal standing to the immediate left of Calvery in the Zapruder film -- Karan Hicks, with or without her red hairscarf.

Btw, do you think the HSCA's photo of "Karen Hicks" was the same person as Gloria Calvery's Christmas Party colleague "Karen Hicks"?  Do they look like the same person to you?  (Maybe the HSCA got it wrong?)



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 06:04:50 AM
You’re probably seeing the version of my blog before I updated it tonight. Can you try again? I’ll check tomorrow if she said behind. I was unaware that you found where Truly was. In this case I’ll credit you in the blog tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 06:14:28 AM
I've checked. She did not say behind. She said she was in front of the TSBD with Roy Truly and O.V. Campbell. She was a supervisor, so I doubt a supervisor was getting too much involved with people who were not. Supervisors ate with supervisors at lunch, I think. I think in her WC testimony she related that she was not attached to anyone, as if she was alone with no human to interact with. Her saying she was with Truly and Campbell may have made her feel less like a loner/loser.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 06:15:55 AM
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Did she say she was behind Truly?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  It's interesting that I wasn't given credit for finding Truly and Campbell in the Wiegman film, but that's okay I guess.

Thanks for labeling Jacob, Holt and Simmons correctly in the Zapruder and the Darnell frames.

As I see it, the only problem you have now is you have (big, tall) "Gloria Calvery" running down Elm Street Extension when in fact that lithe, average-sized gal was the gal standing to the immediate left of Calvery in the Zapruder film -- Karan Hicks, with or without her red hairscarf.

Btw, do you think the HSCA's photo of "Karen Hicks" was the same person as Gloria Calvery's Christmas Party colleague "Karen Hicks"?  Do they look like the same person to you?  (Maybe the HSCA got it wrong?)

Updated

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 06:28:51 AM
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I've checked. She did not say behind. She said she was in front of the TSBD with Roy Truly and O.V. Campbell. She was a supervisor, so I doubt a supervisor was getting too much involved with people who were not. Supervisors ate with supervisors at lunch, I think. I think in her WC testimony she related that she was not attached to anyone, as if she was alone with no human to interact with. Her saying she was with Truly and Campbell may have made her feel less like a loner/loser.

I'm not sure what you're "getting at," Denis.

Do you not think that's Mrs. Robert Reid, aka Jeraldean (Bray) Reid, between and behind Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo(?) in Wiegman?

Bombshell:

All of whom, including "Stetson Man" and Patricia Ann Lawrence (married name Donaldson) and Lupe Whittaker appear to have been standing on the "island" or in the street, as far as I can tell, whereas Truly and Campbell appear to be standing on the sidewalk near the steps ...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 13, 2019, 06:39:34 AM
Reid is between the 2 women, but also behind them as if she was not included.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 07:04:41 AM

Graves doesn't seem to understand what the issue is here...Nor do the hijackers of the Mrs Reid thread on the Education Forum...Groden said that he interviewed a woman that told him she stayed in the Depository and was giving change to Oswald for a Coke in the 2nd floor offices when they both heard the shots...A deep throat told Groden about this woman and told him there were two Mrs Reid's in the Depository...The Commission was aware of this so they interviewed the lady seen in the police station with Leavelle and made her the only Mrs Reid and placed her outside...When I sent the color image to Groden that came from Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album he told me thank you very much...That was the woman he interviewed and he finally had a photo of her...The inference is that woman is a different woman than the woman seen next to Leavelle...

You can never tell what Denis is thinking but I think he agrees with me that the two woman are different persons...The Mrs Reid with Leavelle has eyes that are closer together and a different-looking face...It appears to me that Groden has been vindicated and confirmed here...

Seems like the posters on the EF want to talk about anything but this...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 07:13:40 AM
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Reid is between the 2 women, but also behind them as if she was not included.

Denis,

Okay.

Btw, did you catch the part where I said "Stetson Man" and Patricia Ann Lawrence (married name Donaldson), and Lupe Whittaker were standing on the "island" or in the street, and, by inference, Virgie Rackley Baker, Mrs. Robert Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid) and Betty Dragoo(?) must have been, too?

If you watch a clear copy of Tina Towner's film, etc, in slow-mo as the limo's turning from Houston onto Elm you'll see "Stetson Man" and two dressed-in-black women (Lawrence/Donaldson and Whittaker) standing to the right of the front entrance in the background, so Towner must have already walked a few steps to her left and "Stetson Man," et al., must have been standing on the "island" or in the street for them to appear the way they do (in relation to the steps) in both Weigman and Towner, and some other film (I forget which one right now), both of which are in Max Holland's documentary The Lost Bullet.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 07:27:21 AM
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Graves doesn't seem to understand what the issue is here...Nor do the hijackers of the Mrs Reid thread on the Education Forum...Groden said that he interviewed a woman that told him she stayed in the Depository and was giving change to Oswald for a Coke in the 2nd floor offices when they both heard the shots...A deep throat told Groden about this woman and told him there were two Mrs Reid's in the Depository...The Commission was aware of this so they interviewed the lady seen in the police station with Leavelle and made her the only Mrs Reid and placed her outside...When I sent the color image to Groden that came from Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album he told me thank you very much...That was the woman he interviewed and he finally had a photo of her...The inference is that woman is a different woman than the woman seen next to Leavelle...

You can never tell what Denis is thinking but I think he agrees with me that the two woman are different persons...The Mrs Reid with Leavelle has eyes that are closer together and a different-looking face...It appears to me that Groden has been vindicated and confirmed here...

Seems like the posters on the EF want to talk about anything but this...

Brian,

Why should anyone trust what CTer and self-described "photo expert" (without any formal training) Robert Groden says about anything JFK assassination-related?

"Deep Throat" my  ...... ....... .. ........ ......... ......... ......... .  (Have fun decoding that, Duncan.)

Didn't Groden have something to do with the "Doorman" fiasco a few years ago?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  I'm saying that, based on the fact that Mrs. Robert Reid's maiden name was "Bray," and the fact that Jeraldean Bray's 1930 high school photo looks so much like the woman in "your" color photograph, and the fact that, despite the different angles involved and the different "moods" of the woman in "your" photo and the woman in John Mytton's 11/22 and 11/23 morphing GIF, above, they look sufficiently similar to me as to sincerely say that they are very likely one-and-the-same woman -- Mrs. Robert (Bray) Reid, aka "Jeraldean Reid".

PPS  The funny thing is that Groden's hush-hush "deep throat" was right -- there was another "Reid" in the TSBD.  In fact, there were two:

1)  Carol Reed, colleague of Gloria Calvery in the Southwest Publishing Company office, and

2)  Forty year-old "biller," Martha Reed.

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/09/15/witnesses-and-suspects-in-dealey-plaza/
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 03:26:48 PM
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Brian,

Why should anyone trust what CTer and self-described "photo expert" (without any formal training) Robert Groden says about anything JFK assassination-related?

PS  I'm saying that, based on the fact that Mrs. Robert Reid's maiden name was "Bray," and the fact that Jeraldean Bray's 1930 high school photo looks so much like the woman in "your" color photograph, and the fact that, despite the different angles involved and the different "moods" of the woman in "your" photo and the woman in John Mytton's 11/22 and 11/23 morphing GIF, above, they look sufficiently similar to me as to sincerely say that they are very likely one-and-the-same woman -- Mrs. Robert (Bray) Reid, aka "Jeraldean Reid".

You're ignoring the fact that we have produced a photo that appears to be a different woman...In my opinion the face of the woman seen on the sidewalk in front of the Depository and sitting next to Leavelle is different than the face of Jeraldean Reid as seen in Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album...They do appear to be two different persons...I think Denis believes this also but might be caving to the intense political pressure the regular JFK internet posters apply...Groden is saying a deep throat came to him and told him there was something fishy going on and that the Commission knew about this second Mrs Reid...That deep throat said they dealt with the problem by referring to the sidewalk Reid as "Mrs Robert Reid" and had her be the one and only Mrs Reid in all interviews...Meanwhile Groden hooked-up with the "Jeraldean Reid" in Stanton's album...She was frightened and refused to be photographed...She told Groden the story of giving Oswald change for a Coke while the shots were going off...For years DiEugenio has been saying Groden was suckered by a hoax but this evidence I have discovered amazingly shows there may be some veracity to it since anyone can see with their plain eyes that the women appear to be different people...I can say to Denis that I appreciate your going to that hostile forum, bending at the knee to a bully ignoramus mod, and referencing my material but then backing off of it and staying quiet at the critical time that it needed to be asserted...To fail to speak of good evidence while others are in denial of it is to aid unfair banning and its purpose in the worst way...The site sells itself as a place to debate good evidence but when you do it effectively they freeze you out and ignore it...The mob is in control over there not the evidence, as you can see by the example of them ignoring evidence of two Mrs Reid's right in front of them...The definition of moderation is keeping the members honest and making them respond to good evidence...On the EF the opposite is done and the person who posts amazing new evidence is screwed...His evidence is ignored and those doing the ignoring are favored...The person with the good evidence is then banned and special rules are made to remove him and his important discoveries from the site...All while that bogus moderator claims he is "sensitive to quality of content"...

You're not answering the point Graves...The woman in the yearbook might be Jerladean Bray but she is not the woman on the sidewalk...In my opinion the eyes are closer together on the woman in Mytton's morph and she wears glasses...The fact Jeraldean Bray Reid's face still looks pretty much the same from high school to Depository album photo tells you that is probably a different woman because any comparison of either Stanton's photo album Jeraldean Reid or the yearbook photo to Mytton's Mrs Robert Reid shows seriously different facial features...Like around the mouth as well as her whole face and nose...Sorry Graves, I have to disagree and it appears Groden is vindicated and we have found proof of his claim...

What's the matter?...Afraid it will spoil your whole KGB-did-it game?...

God forbid someone would force the hijacking of this over at the EF to answer this more than obvious evidence...I notice Jim D is conspicuously AWOL on this like usual when it counts the most even though it is his thread...

So why should we trust Groden?...I guess because hard photographic evidence is coming in on his side (and the usual suspects are going out of their way to ignore it)...Notice no one has compared Stanton's album image to Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk...That's openly dishonest and it is being intentionally facilitated by that dumb bastard Gordon...

David Josephs is weak on the fact Mrs Reid's Oswald was wearing a T-shirt...So was Roger Craig's original witnessing...I think Craig's later changing that to a shirt was because he caved to pressure from the DPD over Oswald's official description...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 13, 2019, 03:49:10 PM
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You're ignoring the fact that we have produced a photo that appears to be a different woman...In my opinion the face of the woman seen on the sidewalk in front of the Depository and sitting next to Leavelle is different than the face of Jeraldean Reid as seen in Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album...They do appear to be two different persons...I think Denis believes this also but might be caving to the intense political pressure the regular JFK internet posters apply...Groden is saying a deep throat came to him and told him there was something fishy going on and that the Commission knew about this second Mrs Reid...That deep throat said they dealt with the problem by referring to the sidewalk Reid as "Mrs Robert Reid" and had her be the one and only Mrs Reid in all interviews...Meanwhile Groden hooked-up with the "Jeraldean Reid" in Stanton's album...She was frightened and refused to be photographed...She told Groden the story of giving Oswald change for a Coke while the shots were going off...For years DiEugenio has been saying Groden was suckered by a hoax but this evidence I have discovered amazingly shows there may be some veracity to it since anyone can see with their plain eyes that the women appear to be different people...I can say to Denis that I appreciate your going to that hostile forum, bending at the knee to a bully ignoramus mod, and referencing my material but then backing off of it and staying quiet at the critical time that it needed to be asserted...To fail to speak of good evidence while others are in denial of it is to aid unfair banning and its purpose in the worst way...The site sells itself as a place to debate good evidence but when you do it effectively they freeze you out and ignore it...The mob is in control over there not the evidence, as you can see by the example of them ignoring evidence of two Mrs Reid's right in front of them...

You're not answering the point Graves...The woman in the yearbook might be Jerladean Bray but she is not the woman on the sidewalk...In my opinion the eyes are closer together on the woman in Mytton's morph and she wears glasses...The fact Jeraldean Bray Reid's face still looks pretty much the same from high school to Depository album photo tells you that is probably a different woman because any comparison of either Stanton's photo album Jeraldean Reid or the yearbook photo to Mytton's Mrs Robert Reid shows seriously different facial features...Like around the mouth as well as her whole face and nose...Sorry Graves, I have to disagree and it appears Groden is vindicated and we have found proof of his claim...

What's the matter?...Afraid it will spoil your whole KGB-did-it game?...

God forbid someone would force the hijacking of this over at the EF to answer this more than obvious evidence...I notice Jim D is conspicuously AWOL on this like usual when it counts the most even though it is his thread...

So why should we trust Groden?...I guess because hard photographic evidence is coming in on his side (and the usual suspects are going out of their way to ignore it)...

When are you going to invest in some computer equipment so that you can post images to back up your claims?  Nobody reads your pregnant paragraphs in their entirety, Brian.  No one.  Alex Wilson really has you pegged.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 05:38:16 PM
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You're ignoring the fact that we have produced a [color] photo that appears to be a different woman.


Brian,

I'm saying that the woman in your color photograph looks like the woman in the 1930 high school photograph, a woman whose first name was Jeraldean,  whose maiden name was Bray, and whose married name was Reid -- Jeraldine Reid, aka Mrs. Robert Reid.

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/09/15/witnesses-and-suspects-in-dealey-plaza/

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 05:50:10 PM
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Brian,

I'm saying that the woman in your color photograph looks like the woman in the 1930 high school photograph, a woman whose first name was Jeraldean,  whose maiden name was Bray, and whose married name was Reid -- Jeraldine Reid, aka Mrs. Robert Reid.

And I'm saying that the proof that shows that isn't true isn't honestly being shown...I fully understand what you are saying Thomas...You didn't need to regressively repeat it...I already posted clear enough language to show what I was saying...Your answer noticeably fails to answer what I said...

My point was that the people who are hijacking my discovery are not honestly discussing it...What they do is group up against you in an un-academic, un-intellectual way and get a dirty moderator to ban you so they can ignore your evidence...

The point was clear enough...The hijackers are dishonestly avoiding any direct comparison or juxtapositioning of Stanton's album photo to Mytton's GIF and therefore not showing the best evidence that they are two different women...

To wit:  The yearbook Jeraldean Reid looks noticeably similar to Stanton's album Jeraldean Reid which shows Jeraldean Reid did not change much in looks over that long period...However the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid does not look anything like the former which tells me they are different people...In my opinion you have failed to adequately answer this...

God forbid anyone would go over to the Education Forum thread and actually post Stanton's album photo of "Jeraldean Reid" next to Mytton's GIF...Ya think?...Ya know?...Those jerks are too busy screwing people to post the sensible proof...

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 06:06:11 PM
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. . .


In a certain part of Mytton's GIF, that woman does resemble the woman in your color photo.

If they aren't the same woman, then who is the woman (singular) in Wiegman, standing by Carolyn Arnold after the assassination, and sitting with Jim Leavelle the next day?

Another Mrs. Reid (or Reed)?

Jack Ruby's sister?  (LOL)

--  MWT  ;)

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 06:11:49 PM

Groden said there were two Mrs Reid's...In my opinion an honest comparison is being avoided here and those who see this evidence don't have the backbone to go post it to the hijackers on the Education Forum...This is an uncredible research community that deals with petty personal spite before good evidence...

As long as people refuse to post Stanton's album photo next to Mytton's GIF I am correct on this and the community has failed to credibly examine evidence for ridiculous internecine political reasons...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 13, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
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Groden said there were two Mrs Reid's...In my opinion an honest comparison is being avoided here and those who see this evidence don't have the backbone to go post it to the hijackers on the Education Forum...This is an uncredible research community that deals with petty personal spite before good evidence...

As long as people refuse to post Stanton's album photo next to Mytton's GIF I am correct on this and the community has failed to credibly examine evidence for ridiculous internecine political reasons...

Brian,

There were two Mrs. "Reeds" (phonetic) who worked in the TSBD:

Jeraldean Reid and Martha Reed (and batchelorette Carol Reed, as well).

It's easy to see how Groden's "deep throat" got confused, and how Groden went full-on CT with that misinformation.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 07:36:02 PM
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Brian,

There were two Mrs. "Reeds" (phonetic) who worked in the TSBD:

Jeraldean Reid and Martha Reed (and batchelorette Carol Reed, as well).

It's easy to see how Groden's "deep throat" got confused, and how Groden went full-on CT with that misinformation.

--  MWT  ;)

You're just not paying competent attention to what is being discussed here Mr Graves...We are well past what you are saying here because the Warren Commission interviewed "Mrs Robert Reid" whom I'm sure they knew was a different person than Martha Reed...You are foolishly ignoring that we have photographs of a "Mrs Robert Reid" on the sidewalk who is clearly a different person than Martha Reid and is, in my opinion, a visibly different person that Stanton's photo album "Jeraldean Reid"...

To wit:  I assume Mrs Robert Reid is a different person on the basis that she never told the Commission this account of giving Oswald change...For your version to be correct would require Groden to be a really crazy liar who fabricated his interview with the woman in Stanton's album...

Still waiting for the hijackers to honestly post a juxtaposition of Stanton's album photo with Mytton's GIF...

Gotta love Moricet's silence in all of this...Highly credible!...

And where is Kozlowski and his opinion on the substance of this?...They trash you with superficial opinions but like DiEugenio are nowhere to be seen when the hard substance appears...

I think it is humorous to see some world class frauds trying to ignore material prima facie evidence of Groden being valid in broad daylight....
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 13, 2019, 08:15:17 PM
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Iacoletti asks a disingenuous question over on the Education Forum...He asks how we know the woman sitting next to Leavelle at the police station is Mrs Reid...Iacoletti already knows the answer...That woman is obviously the same woman who was called Mrs Reid in the photos of the lady employees standing on the sidewalk...You can see it is the same lady...

Why would anybody think that woman is Mrs Reid either?

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Also Leavelle only interviewed 3 people...Scoggins, Truly, and Mrs Reid...Since she's the only woman it has to be her

What makes you think Leavelle is interviewing this woman? Also, Leavelle took a statement from Reid on Saturday. This footage was taken on Sunday after Oswald was shot.

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Iacoletti will respond by asking a whole series of questions that pretend he is trying to find proof for all these things but his real purpose is just to throw continuous wrenches in to the works in order to screw up the discussion...

No, I’m pointing out that you are making false claims once again.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 13, 2019, 08:18:40 PM
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If there was a lot more detail in both of these images then we could say for sure but there is a reasonable probability that sidewalk woman is interview woman.

Hairline looks different to me. But either way, there is NO reason whatsoever to think that either one is named Mrs Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 13, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
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Edit:  Interested members and guests can find her 1930 high school photo (in which she looks very much like the woman in "Brian's" color photo) by scrolling down on the following link to "Reid, Geraldine [sic], WITNESS"

Why don’t you just posts the photo, Tommy? It’s not that hard.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 13, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
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The fact Jeraldean Bray Reid's face still looks pretty much the same from high school to Depository album photo tells you that is probably a different woman because any comparison of either Stanton's photo album Jeraldean Reid or the yearbook photo to Mytton's Mrs Robert Reid shows seriously different facial features...Like around the mouth as well as her whole face and nose...

The prayerwoman thread was closed because Doyle refused to learn how to post photos. He apparently still hasn’t.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 13, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
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And I'm saying that the proof that shows that isn't true isn't honestly being shown...I fully understand what you are saying Thomas...You didn't need to regressively repeat it...

Says the guy who aggressively repeated his bogus Stanton argument for over 400 forum pages.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 10:09:22 PM
Iacoletti actually went on to the Education Forum and tried to pass off his BS that he got away with on Moricet's Facebook page...He was quickly shot down by Kamp website member Steve Thomas...

Iacoletti had gone on to the EF and tried to say Leavelle was talking to Mrs Robert Reid on Sunday...He also said Mrs Reid was not interacting with Leavelle in the film taken of them in the police station...

The reason Iacoletti is claiming Mrs Reid was sitting next to Leavelle in the police station on Sunday is because the You-Tube video that was the source of the clip spliced scenes from Sunday with scenes from Saturday...Iacoletti assumed that all the scenes were from Sunday...(Very poor analysis skills)...

Steve Thomas made quick work of Iacoletti by displaying Leavelle's report from Sunday that showed he did not interview any woman...His Sunday was filled up with the Oswald transfer and nothing else according to his report from that day...The clip where Leavelle is sitting next to Mrs Reid is obviously from Saturday when his report said he interviewed her...We know that is Mrs Reid because Mytton made a positive match with the woman seen on the sidewalk outside the Depository who was labeled "Mrs Reid"...Iacoletti tried his usual stuff but over on the EF he quickly paid the correct price for it...

The next whopper Iacoletti tried to get away with on the EF is saying Leavelle was not interacting with Mrs Reid in that film clip...However anyone who looks at the clip in the attached You-Tube video will see Leavelle is obviously reading Mrs Reid's statement back to her...Look closely and you can see Mrs Reid nodding in response and answering as Leavelle reads it to her...Iacoletti has serious reality issues but this time he took them too far and exposed himself...Go to 10 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=eGtMZtYll7s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=eGtMZtYll7s)

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 13, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
Geraldean/Jeraldean Reid died in 1973.  There was no "Gearldine Reid" or a "Delores Reid" working in the depository building. Doyle takes fabricated and false information spinning it into his own theory of falsehoods just like he claims "Frazier stared at Sarah Stanton for the longest time" thinking a highly distorted photo is absolute proof of a "woman looking at down at a purse". This is what he passes off as "highly intelligent research", a falsehood of no "Gearldine Reid or "Delores Reid" believing there are two of them, and a blurred distorted photo thinking he sees a woman with a purse, and from there creates this magnificent make believe story in his own mind of what he claims are the actual events.  Not one thing he claims is actually true, it's all made up fiction. 
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 10:44:24 PM
Rick isn't being sincere...If he was sincere he wouldn't be avoiding further discussion of the evidence with those cheap dismissals...A credible researcher would realized I have just seriously ante-ed up with my photo labeled "Jeraldean Reid"...

Rick Plant is a very reckless sloppy researcher...Why?...Because he foolishly ignores that the image labeled "Jeraldean Reid" that was posted on the Education Forum came from Sarah Stanton's personal Depository photo album and was never seen before by anyone...In it, in Sarah's handwriting in pen, is a caption "Jeraldean Reid"...The album was exclusively photos of her fellow Depository employees...So like many of the people I have blown out of the water with my skilled research, Rick fails to answer the aching provenance of this evidence that his cheap stock denials don't quite answer to...

Please Rick, answer what I am writing here respectfully and directly...Show us what you've got...So far you just came in with bravado and left holding your butt in your arms...

To wit:  Groden told me that was the woman he interviewed and thanked me profusely for being the first person to ever produce a photo of her...If you bother to read the threads being cited we have isolated 2 distinctly separate Mrs Reid's in the photography that you have failed to credibly address...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 13, 2019, 10:48:34 PM
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Hairline looks different to me.

The hairlines look near identical to me.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

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But either way, there is NO reason whatsoever to think that either one is named Mrs Reid.

You're probably right, I don't see a resemblance to the 1930 or 1967 photos. By the way, I like how you capitalized the "NO", you're really passionate on this, aren't ya!
Can we prove that this 1967 photo is actually Reid?

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kc5HQpnB/reidd.jpg)

JohnM



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 13, 2019, 10:55:21 PM
You're not answering what is being written here...

The obvious next procedural step here is comparing the yearbook photo to both Mytton's GIF and Stanton's album photo...

What will happen is Stanton's album photo will strongly match the yearbook photo - but "Mrs Robert Reid" in Mytton's GIF will not...

What you are all avoiding is both Mytton's GIF and Stanton's album photo are approximately the same time period past the yearbook photo...One strongly matches, the other doesn't...

Those idiots on the EF banned and ignored the best poster on the subject...

On the index in Stanton's photo album "Jeraldean Reid 1967" was written in pen...Groden confirmed to me telephonically and by e-mail that this was the woman he interviewed and it was the first time he has seen a photo of her...

It has taken 15 months to get this conversation to the EF and it still hasn't been posted properly because of the dumb spite of one major ignoramus named James Gordon...A man, who by his proven oppression of serious evidence, has proven his unfitness as moderator...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 14, 2019, 01:04:04 AM
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Rick isn't being sincere...If he was sincere he wouldn't be avoiding further discussion of the evidence with those cheap dismissals...A credible researcher would realized I have just seriously ante-ed up with my photo labeled "Jeraldean Reid"...

You're saying I'm not being sincere? Geraldean/Jeraldean Reid died in 1973. What further discussion do you want to have on that? Brian, you want to argue a theory based on a fallacy just like with Sarah Stanton. You never even showed any proof where you keep falsely stating that "Frazier stared at Sarah Stanton for the longest time". Where is that proof by the way?   

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 01:46:23 AM
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The reason Iacoletti is claiming Mrs Reid was sitting next to Leavelle in the police station on Sunday is because the You-Tube video that was the source of the clip spliced scenes from Sunday with scenes from Saturday...Iacoletti assumed that all the scenes were from Sunday...(Very poor analysis skills)...

There’s no evidence that’s Mrs Reid
There’s no evidence the film was spliced, nor even any reason to do so.
The only reason Doyle wants it to be spliced is to try to maintain his unsupported speculation that this is a “second Mrs Reid”

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Steve Thomas made quick work of Iacoletti by displaying Leavelle's report from Sunday that showed he did not interview any woman...

There’s no reason whatsoever to think that Leavelle is interviewing this woman. She isn’t even looking at him.

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We know that is Mrs Reid because Mytton made a positive match with the woman seen on the sidewalk outside the Depository who was labeled "Mrs Reid"...

Who “labeled” the woman on the sidewalk as Mrs Reid and based on what criteria?

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However anyone who looks at the clip in the attached You-Tube video will see Leavelle is obviously reading Mrs Reid's statement back to her...Look closely and you can see Mrs Reid nodding in response and answering as Leavelle reads it to her...

BS. This is just another Doyle fabrication.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
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Rick isn't being sincere...If he was sincere he wouldn't be avoiding further discussion of the evidence with those cheap dismissals...A credible researcher would realized I have just seriously ante-ed up with my photo labeled "Jeraldean Reid"...

You say that about everybody who calls you out on your fabricated BS.

Rick is absolutely right.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 02:46:29 AM
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The hairlines look near identical to me.

The police station woman has a little tuft of hair on her forehead over her right eye that sidewalk woman does not.

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Can we prove that this 1967 photo is actually Reid?

Not really. But she looks enough like the 1930 yearbook photo of Jeraldean Bray that it’s plausible.

Of course we can’t trust anything Doyle says on the matter.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 14, 2019, 03:40:50 AM
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The police station woman has a little tuft of hair on her forehead over her right eye that sidewalk woman does not.

Not really. But she looks enough like the 1930 yearbook photo of Jeraldean Bray that it’s plausible.

Of course we can’t trust anything Doyle says on the matter.

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The police station woman has a little tuft of hair on her forehead over her right eye that sidewalk woman does not.

She's done her hair differently in the "interview" photo but her hairline where her forehead meets her hair is near identical.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

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Not really. But she looks enough like the 1930 yearbook photo of Jeraldean Bray that it’s plausible.

Yeah, maybe?

(https://i.postimg.cc/L4zDxTbt/jeraldean-1967-jpg-dade8bb476e64dd8a7be841f0adff62c.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zX8j6gs9/reid-jeraldeean.jpg)

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Of course we can’t trust anything Doyle says on the matter.

Yep!

JohnM
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 04:06:55 AM
Big lips and mouth on Jeraldean Reid in the yearbook photo and album photo but not on Mrs Robert Reid...

Sorry guys but your usual stuff isn't working and we've got real evidence here...

Like I said and anyone can see with their own eyes, the yearbook and Stanton photo album Jeraldean Reid are a clear match and the Cooper film and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid aren't...

The Leavelle Mrs Reid has eyes that are closer together, a smaller mouth, and a visibly different chin...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 04:17:29 AM
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You're saying I'm not being sincere? Geraldean/Jeraldean Reid died in 1973. What further discussion do you want to have on that? Brian, you want to argue a theory based on a fallacy just like with Sarah Stanton. You never even showed any proof where you keep falsely stating that "Frazier stared at Sarah Stanton for the longest time". Where is that proof by the way?

Duh, the photo evidence is from 1963 and Groden interviewed Jeraldean Reid in 1970 or 71...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 14, 2019, 06:20:16 AM
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...

The next whopper Iacoletti tried to get away with on the EF is saying Leavelle was not interacting with Mrs Reid in that film clip...However anyone who looks at the clip in the attached You-Tube video will see Leavelle is obviously reading Mrs Reid's statement back to her...Look closely and you can see Mrs Reid nodding in response and answering as Leavelle reads it to her...Iacoletti has serious reality issues but this time he took them too far and exposed himself...Go to 10 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=eGtMZtYll7s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=eGtMZtYll7s)

Good catch, Brian.

I'd never watched that youtube compilation, but you're absolutely right, although it looks as though the woman is doing the talking and Levealle is doing the listening while looking at the document in his hand.  Also, she doesn't nod her head -- she shakes it a little horizontally while talking, as though in disbelief or out of disgust.

Imho, Iacoletti has just made an utter fool of himself.

I had to laugh out loud when he posted words to the effect, "Levealle couldn't be interviewing that woman because she's not even looking at him."

And at the EF:  "It’s not at all clear that Leavelle is 'meeting with' this woman. They are just sitting there and not interacting," although she's looking at the document he's holding while she's talking, he's leaning towards her, and, fwiw, he has his left leg crossed in her direction in a "gentlemanly" knee-cross.

LOL

--  MWT   :)

PS  Will Iacoletti now argue that the woman was schizophrenic and was talking to herself?


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 14, 2019, 07:08:09 AM
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There’s no reason whatsoever to think that Leavelle is interviewing this woman. She isn’t even looking at him.


The lady is talking to the man in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau or maybe she's using her hands free phone or is she just randomly babbling, some people do that!

(https://i.postimg.cc/mZN0kqHq/interview-woman.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 14, 2019, 07:31:59 AM
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The lady is talking to the man in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau or maybe she's using her hands free phone or is she just randomly babbling, some people do that!

(https://i.postimg.cc/mZN0kqHq/interview-woman.gif)

JohnM

John,

Thanks for the enlargement.

He's definitely talking, too, at the end, although he doesn't look up at her.

Fwiw, it looks to me as though you might have inadvertently cut off a split second at the beginning where it looks as though she's casting a glance at the document in his hand, and then she turns her head a little to her right.

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 14, 2019, 08:02:29 AM
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John,

Thanks for the enlargement.

He's definitely talking, too, at the end, although he doesn't look up at her.

Fwiw, it looks to me as though you might have inadvertently cut off a split second at the beginning where it looks as though she's casting a glance at the document in his hand, and then she turns her head a little to her right.

--  MWT   ;)

Hi Thomas, here's every relevant frame from the youtube video and I see the man moving his mouth at the end or maybe he's just chewing his cud?

(https://i.postimg.cc/DycX5Rj1/interview-womana.gif)

JohnM
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 03:40:49 PM

If it wasn't for Lord Oppression Of Information Minister Gordon I would go to the EF and post those comparisons myself...Iacoletti could do it but he won't because he knows it validates me...I wonder what purpose Gordon thinks he is serving by restricting important new information from his board?...

In any case if you go to the Leavelle Mrs Reid I think her face can be compared to Stanton's album photo Jeraldean Reid and they appear to be different persons...Hard to believe the "Bray" Jeraldean Reid would look like the Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid but then 4 years later look like Stanton's album photo...

I believe Groden is vindicated and there is no discussion on it...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
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She's done her hair differently in the "interview" photo but her hairline where her forehead meets her hair is near identical.

Is it likely that her hairstyle would be that different two days later? Don’t really know.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 03:44:57 PM
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Big lips and mouth on Jeraldean Reid in the yearbook photo and album photo but not on Mrs Robert Reid...

Duh. That’s because it’s not Mrs Robert Reid with Leavelle or in front of the Depository. Who ever said it was?

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Sorry guys but your usual stuff isn't working and we've got real evidence here...

Evidence that you’re delusional.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
You guys should ignore Iacoletti because he refuses to believe the woman out front on the sidewalk in Mytton's GIF is the same woman sitting next to Leavelle on Saturday...There's no point dealing with irrational people who don't admit obvious evidence...

The EF is doing its best to concentrate on mundanities and off-topic while ignoring this serious new evidence and has proven it is an uncredible board dominated by certain egos who are not reliable to good evidence...

Jim DiEugenio is no better than a jealous school boy making sure no one else gets any attention for their research...
 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 04:08:03 PM
“Gentlemanly knee cross”. Tommy makes up some bizarre things.

As usual people see what they want to see. My point is, there is no reason to think that a Leavelle is taking an official statement from this woman. If that’s the only basis for calling her “Mrs Reid”, then that’s a pretty weak argument. Especially since this footage was taken on Sunday.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 04:17:29 PM
The footage of Leavelle sitting next to Mrs Robert Reid was taken on Saturday...The only person Leavelle interviewed was Mrs Reid and he did it on Saturday...Since the woman sitting next to Leavelle is obviously the same woman seen on the sidewalk in Cooper that means it has to be Mrs Reid and Leavelle has to be dictating the statement he just took from her...That image cannot be Sunday because Leavelle's record from that day shows he was busy with Oswald's transfer...On the EF Iacoletti is actually inferring that Oswald was shot right before that clip yet Leavelle decided to go have a nice chat and dictation with Mrs Reid who wasn't even there that day...The only thing Iacoletti got right is he said the Leavelle Mrs Reid doesn't look like Jeraldean Reid...

Having confirmed this woman is "Mrs Robert Reid" responsible researchers should then go on and compare her to "Jeraldean Bray Reid" who by all measures appears to be a different person...

It is classic of the Education Forum that Iacoletti makes a hugely false claim that Leavelle and Mrs Robert Reid are not interacting - or that the woman is not even Mrs Reid, and none of the Gordon-selected dummies challenges him on it...That site is moribund with spoiled favored posters who know they will be backed by Gordon and their opposition banned if they start getting the upper hand so they don't bother with credible debate any more...As usual, the thread is hijacked by those posters and the main evidence is avoided all with the anti-intellectual blessing of Lord Information Censorer Gordon...None of those idiots noticed that they just missed serious evidence of Groden being correct...They are more interested in beating defenseless victims up with bully censorship...

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 06:09:55 PM
Over on the Education Forum in a thread started by Jim DiEugenio with the title "Who is Mrs Reid?" the discussion has dead-ended in to a free for all involving Lance Payette and Kamp website member Ed LeDoux...It devolved in to a stupid back and forth about Kamp proving Prayer Man is Oswald...

However in a thread titled "who is Mrs Reid" information that shows a shocking revelation that Mrs Reid could be two different people is ignored and the subject is forced in to mundane BS while a hot topic gets ignored...

Jim D is usually a stickler when it comes to on-topic and regularly comes in to such a drifting thread to call for a return to the original subject matter, except in this case where that subject matter involves validating material from myself...

This creation of a mob-like atmosphere of ignoring important evidence was done by moderator James Gordon...And the central fulcrum point for this intellectual depravity is the Prayer Man subject and those who are politically loyal to it and therefore willing to corrupt the entire research community in order to uphold it...This ignoring of incredible proof of Groden being valid is done on the basis of pathetic pro-Prayer Man posters not wanting to admit any crediting of myself with finding good evidence will only lead to admission that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...The research internet has been hijacked by these dishonest boobies and their dirty moderator James Gordon...As this example shows they exist in opposition to good evidence and aren't afraid to practice such rogue corruption as long as they stay in charge...

So the draconian moderation and riding of my back with nit-picking, made-up-as-they-went-along rules suddenly does not apply to Gordon's favorites as really important evidence is deliberately ignored...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
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The footage of Leavelle sitting next to Mrs Robert Reid was taken on Saturday...The only person Leavelle interviewed was Mrs Reid and he did it on Saturday...

Circular argument. The only problem is that the footage was taken on Sunday.

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Since the woman sitting next to Leavelle is obviously the same woman seen on the sidewalk in Cooper that means it has to be Mrs Reid and Leavelle has to be dictating the statement he just took from her...

Except you don’t know the woman in Cooper is “Mrs Reid” either. You just made it up.

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That image cannot be Sunday because Leavelle's record from that day shows he was busy with Oswald's transfer...

After Oswald was shot?  :D

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On the EF Iacoletti is actually inferring that Oswald was shot right before that clip yet Leavelle decided to go have a nice chat and dictation with Mrs Reid who wasn't even there that day...

I didn’t say right after. But right before the clip, the reporters are talking about Ruby.

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The only thing Iacoletti got right is he said the Leavelle Mrs Reid doesn't look like Jeraldean Reid...

That’s because she’s not Mrs Reid.

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Having confirmed this woman is "Mrs Robert Reid" responsible researchers should then go on and compare her to "Jeraldean Bray Reid" who by all measures appears to be a different person...

“Confirmed” how, exactly?

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It is classic of the Education Forum that Iacoletti makes a hugely false claim that Leavelle and Mrs Robert Reid are not interacting - or that the woman is not even Mrs Reid, and none of the Gordon-selected dummies challenges him on it...

That’s the nice thing about the EF. You can’t spew your fabricated BS there.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 07:01:50 PM
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However in a thread titled "who is Mrs Reid" information that shows a shocking revelation that Mrs Reid could be two different people is ignored and the subject is forced in to mundane BS while a hot topic gets ignored...

That’s because you are literally the only one deluded enough to think that any of this shows that Mrs Reid could be two different people.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 14, 2019, 07:28:43 PM
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“Gentlemanly knee cross”. Tommy makes up some bizarre things.

As usual people see what they want to see. My point is, there is no reason to think that a Leavelle is taking an official statement from this woman. If that’s the only basis for calling her “Mrs Reid”, then that’s a pretty weak argument. Especially since this footage was taken on Sunday.

Iacoletti,

Is "manspreading" considered "gentlemanly," or "politically correct," or something, these days?

How would you describe the way Leavelle has his legs crossed, and haven't you heard of "body language," and that if you're going to cross your legs, that it's considered more polite when talking with a lady to cross them not only not in a "manspreading" way, but in such a way that the leg that's doing the crossing is pointed in her direction?

Maybe you're so young that you were never taught these fine points of social interaction with blobs I mean women?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 07:54:45 PM
Mytton's GIF leaves no doubt the Cooper Mrs Reid is the same person as the Leavelle Mrs Reid...

Also, the obvious t**** Iacoletti is saying with a straight face that after presidential assassination suspect Oswald was shot out from underneath his handcuffs Leavelle then went and had a calm little chat with Mrs Reid sitting with casual ease next to her afterwards...Iacoletti has already been informed that the woman in Leavelle's office has the same pocketbook as the woman on the sidewalk in Cooper...It is less than honest of Iacoletti to ignore that...

Reality and truth-connected posters know the Leavelle and Mrs Reid clip is from Saturday when he interviewed her...And the eyeglasses in the Mytton GIF proves it is the same woman:

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
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Mytton's GIF leaves no doubt the Cooper Mrs Reid is the same person as the Leavelle Mrs Reid...

Even if she is (and I think her hair, nose, cheeks, and glasses are different), there is zero evidence that either one is named “Mrs Reid”.

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Also, the obvious t**** Iacoletti is saying with a straight face that after presidential assassination suspect Oswald was shot out from underneath his handcuffs Leavelle then went and had a calm little chat with Mrs Reid sitting with casual ease next to her afterwards...

What so odd about Leavelle sitting next to and possibly talking to NOT MRS REID on Sunday (especially if she is Ruby’s sister)? What do you think Leavelle would have been doing that afternoon?

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Iacoletti has already been informed that the woman in Leavelle's office has the same pocketbook as the woman on the sidewalk in Cooper...It is less than honest of Iacoletti to ignore that...

“Informed” by who? You?  :D

You can’t even see police station woman’s “pocketbook”. She has her arms over it.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 08:59:03 PM

I'm sure Iacoletti loves it when he gets attention by someone answering his intentionally dishonest posts...

The glasses are the same in the Mytton GIF...They are rim-less on the bottom of the glasses...They are the same glasses because she has the same pocketbook...Her hair is more compact on Saturday because she did it up with some kind of female hairpiece...

We know she is Mrs Reid because she's standing too closely to Carolyn Arnold in the Cooper film to be a stranger...And she is in the police station on Saturday in that clip being interviewed by Leavelle...Your pretend doubt isn't working Iacoletti...We have too much evidence...

We know she is Mrs Reid because you can't name any other person it would be with so much exposure to Mrs Reid's known interfaces...

It is somewhat foolish to not realize the DPD would be on lock-down after the shooting of Oswald and Leavelle would be awfully busy covering his butt...There is just no way he would have casual folded legs body posture after that event or be interviewing a witness...

Proof that Iacoletti is an intentional false posture-er is that I said there would be no film crew allowed in to the Police Station after Ruby shot Oswald while posing as the press on Sunday...Iacoletti did not highlight that point or answer it in his responses...That proves to me that Iacoletti is not honest and deliberately avoids good evidence...He knows he can't answer it and knows it proves the film clip is from Saturday...Which in turn proves the woman Leavelle is interviewing is one Mrs Robert Reid as the record from that day showed...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 14, 2019, 09:25:48 PM
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The only problem is that the footage was taken on Sunday.

How do you know that the footage of the two seated people having a conservation was taken on Sunday?

(https://i.postimg.cc/DycX5Rj1/interview-womana.gif)

JohnM
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 14, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
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Even if she is (and I think her hair, nose, cheeks, and glasses are different),...

Wow, it's funny how much detail people think they can see in a blob.

(https://i.postimg.cc/VsRJvybS/reiddz.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
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Wow, it's funny how much detail people think they can see in a blob.

Touche’

But I’m not the one claiming to see “rimless glasses”, “some kind of female hairpiece”, and a “pocketbook”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 14, 2019, 11:19:52 PM
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We know she is Mrs Reid because she's standing too closely to Carolyn Arnold in the Cooper film to be a stranger...

So she’s either a stranger or named “Mrs Reid”?

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It is somewhat foolish to not realize the DPD would be on lock-down after the shooting of Oswald and Leavelle would be awfully busy covering his butt...

Do you have some evidence of this “lockdown”, or did you pull this out of your butt?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 14, 2019, 11:26:59 PM
Lol....

Here is where Iacoletti is clearly beaten but is still pretending those are sincere points where he is questioning important details...

At what point does the Education Forum get embarrassed for flagrantly banning a research ace and his brilliant discoveries?...

Gordon is the Saudi embassy and I am Khashoggi...Primitive barbarians...

Iacoletti is pretending he is getting away with ignoring the fact no film crew would be let in to the police station after Oswald was shot so therefore the Leavelle clip is Saturday and the interviewee has to be Mrs Reid...Once again - nay-saying parsing does not a good researcher make...A master mind running circles around a nay-say t****...

Not Ruby's sister with her Dame Edna glasses...

You see in the real world, real time when cheap banning isn't employeed in a cowardly way Iacoletti is crashed and burned and ace Doyle is flying by to savor the burning wreck...

Tally Ho! LOL!...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 01:15:36 AM
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Iacoletti is pretending he is getting away with ignoring the fact no film crew would be let in to the police station after Oswald was shot


 :D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 15, 2019, 02:29:36 AM
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 :D

This film of Leavelle at the DPHQ was taken on Sunday.


JohnM

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 02:41:21 AM
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How do you know that the footage of the two seated people having a conservation was taken on Sunday?

The clip comes from the “3 Shots That Changed America” film. Immediately before this scene, a reporter is talking about Ruby shooting Oswald.

Unfortunately, this is blocked in the US, but Denis gave me this link. Watch at 1:33:40.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 15, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
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The clip comes from the “3 Shots That Changed America” film. Immediately before this scene, a reporter is talking about Ruby shooting Oswald.

Unfortunately, this is blocked in the US, but Denis gave me this link. Watch at 1:33:40.


Thanks the video goes for three hours but luckily it's in chronological order. The footage of the reporter shows a lot of interference and the footage of the detectives entering the Homicide and Robbery Bureau is very stable, so I'm guessing they were broadcasting the reporter live and inter-cut from the studio with previously filmed footage of the Detectives and Leavelle?

(https://i.postimg.cc/VLc92gfF/reporter-ruby.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8PDWZC4K/detectives.jpg)

JohnM




 
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 03:22:02 AM

Mytton...Before I was banned from Moricet's Facebook page we covered this...The scene of Mrs Reid with Leavelle is from Saturday...The reason Iacoletti thinks it is from Sunday is because the original video has clips from both Saturday and Sunday mixed together...

Iacoletti knows this..He's just being his usual self...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 15, 2019, 04:45:32 AM
Looks like Sunday, after all. Compare the coat on the left side of the lady and the folders' position. All guessing, but I imagine Eva Ruby sitting beside her sister Eilen and Jim Underwood who was accompanying them sits as well after Leavelle, a gentleman, left his seat for the lady.

https://postimg.cc/SXfCJRDK
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 04:53:32 AM

No Denis...The woman next to Leavelle is the same woman with the same glasses and thin leather pocketbook strap seen on the sidewalk in Cooper...You are not being logical...We know Ruby's sister was not outside the Depository right after the shooting...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 15, 2019, 04:56:55 AM
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Mytton...Before I was banned from Moricet's Facebook page we covered this...The scene of Mrs Reid with Leavelle is from Saturday...The reason Iacoletti thinks it is from Sunday is because the original video has clips from both Saturday and Sunday mixed together...

Iacoletti knows this..He's just being his usual self...

We have no time stamps and we don't know when the footage was edited or who did it, but as I said if the video is a direct lift from the TV station archives  then for sure the detective/Leavelle footage came from an earlier time.
Having another look, the footage of the reporter looks like it was filmed with a locked off video camera and the intercut handheld shakycam of the detective footage suggests a smaller 16mm camera which would mean that this film took time to develop and then had to be transferred to video.

JohnM
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 15, 2019, 04:57:24 AM
This is the woman on the sidewalk who talked to Leavelle on  Sunday, then.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 05:02:09 AM
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This is the woman on the sidewalk who talked to Leavelle on  Sunday, then.

Again, you are not being logical...The woman on the sidewalk in Cooper is Mrs Robert Reid...That's why she's in the police station next to Leavelle...The official record shows Leavelle interviewed Mrs Robert Reid on Saturday...

Leavelle was too busy filling out reports etc to casually talk to Mrs Reid on Sunday...The clip of Mrs Reid talking to Leavelle was taken on Saturday...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 15, 2019, 05:05:54 AM
Doyle is missing the point. I have just posted images showing that the film was taken on Sunday.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 05:13:36 AM

The papers in the in box/out box organizer could have been there Friday...When the assassination happened they were not touched so that is why they didn't change position...So it is highly plausible they could have stayed in that same position from Friday to Sunday and are meaningless...They cannot be used for conclusive determination of the day...

Who put the date on the image on the right with the other ladies and what made them say it was Sunday?...

Even if the image on the right is Sunday it still doesn't answer the information I have told you that makes the image with Mrs Reid Saturday...The image with Mrs Reid could still be Saturday and the image with the women could also be Saturday...As a matter of fact it is more likely Saturday because the ladies are probably Book Depository employees who were not interviewed by Leavelle but were interviewed on Saturday as well... 
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 05:18:18 AM
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Doyle is missing the point. I have just posted images showing that the film was taken on Sunday.

I don't think the man who is standing in your "Sunday" image is Leavelle...I think that man has a different face and a pattern in his suit jacket that Leavelle didn't have...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 15, 2019, 05:22:55 AM
I’ll take a closer look at this tomorrow. Spent all day sitting.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 05:36:24 AM

I guarantee if you trace the film clip of Mrs Reid sitting next to Leavelle you'll find it was from Saturday...Iacoletti is just playing his usual t******* games...

The woman in Cooper and next to Leavelle is the same woman because of her face, glasses, and thin leather pocketbook strap...If Mytton takes a close-up of the woman on the sidewalk's pocketbook strap you'll see it is identical to the pocketbook strap of the lady sitting next to Leavelle...Combine that with the same rim-less glasses and you have a positive match...

We know this is Mrs Reid because the lady next to Leavelle is the same woman and is at the police station - so she has to be Mrs Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 06:04:46 AM
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Again, you are not being logical...The woman on the sidewalk in Cooper is Mrs Robert Reid...

Says who?

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Leavelle was too busy filling out reports etc to casually talk to Mrs Reid on Sunday.

Says who?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 06:08:20 AM
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I guarantee if you trace the film clip of Mrs Reid sitting next to Leavelle you'll find it was from Saturday...Iacoletti is just playing his usual t******* games...

Your guarantees mean nothing, Mr. 500 falsehoods and fabrications.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 06:09:20 AM
Thomas:  The Cooper film is where you see Mrs Reid on the sidewalk in front of the Depository...It is the image in Mytton's morph with the wider face...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Gary Craig on September 15, 2019, 06:10:56 AM
Leavelle
REPORT ON OFFICER"S DUTIES IN REGARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT"S MURDER
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towards the bottom of this page he says he took an affidavit from TSBD employee Mrs. R. A. Reid on Saturday
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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 15, 2019, 06:11:25 AM
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth185060/
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 06:12:14 AM
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Looks like Sunday, after all. Compare the coat on the left side of the lady and the folders' position. All guessing, but I imagine Eva Ruby sitting beside her sister Eilen and Jim Underwood who was accompanying them sits as well after Leavelle, a gentleman, left his seat for the lady.

https://postimg.cc/SXfCJRDK

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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 15, 2019, 06:13:30 AM
True, not Leavelle from the back.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 06:41:45 AM

The photo of Ruby's sister at the Homicide office Sunday is completely irrelevant and is just feeding Iacoletti's t*******...

As long as Iacoletti can't explain who that is on the sidewalk in Cooper and next to Leavelle other than Mrs Reid it is Mrs Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 06:50:59 AM
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As long as Iacoletti can't explain who that is on the sidewalk in Cooper and next to Leavelle other than Mrs Reid it is Mrs Reid...

Bull. You have no evidence that it is “Mrs Reid”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 06:53:47 AM
Would Leavelle have been wearing the same clothes on Saturday and Sunday?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 07:13:25 AM
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Would Leavelle have been wearing the same clothes on Saturday and Sunday?

Iacoletti,

It was kind of a hectic weekend.

Maybe he didn't have time to pick up his other suit at the dry cleaners.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 15, 2019, 07:19:20 AM
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Would Leavelle have been wearing the same clothes on Saturday and Sunday?

Leavelle may have a dozen light coloured suits or what's wrong with wearing the same suit a couple of days in a row, that's not an argument.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IatovFVJrjI/maxresdefault.jpg)

JohnM
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 07:20:16 AM
Carolyn Arnold would identify Mrs Reid in a snap if we showed her the images and quickly show Iacoletti to be the t******* ******* that he is...

Thomas - the man in the suit in Moricet's image of Ruby's sister in the Homicide Bureau office is not Leavelle...I've seen another photo from that series where you can see his face and it is not Leavelle...

There's no doubt the woman in question is Mrs Reid...She's right there near Carolyn Arnold in the other photos...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Mytton on September 15, 2019, 07:29:58 AM
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The woman in Cooper and next to Leavelle is the same woman because of her face, glasses, and thin leather pocketbook strap...If Mytton takes a close-up of the woman on the sidewalk's pocketbook strap you'll see it is identical to the pocketbook strap of the lady sitting next to Leavelle.

-shrug-

(https://i.postimg.cc/WbfsTCvP/handbag.jpg)

JohnM



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
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Given the fact that we do know that:

1 ) Jim Leavelle interviewed Texas School Book Company employee Mrs. Robert Reid (Jeraldean Bray Reid) on Saturday, 11/23/63, and we do know that

2 ) Levealle appears to be interviewing a woman in a film that was shot on Saturday 11/23/63 or 11/24/63, and we do know that

3 ) the glasses-wearing woman Leavelle is interviewing resembles the glasses-wearing woman whose body and face are partially hidden behind two women who appear to be TSBD employees Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo in the Wiegman film, and we do know that

4 ) Roy Truly and Ochus Campbell, who both said they were standing near Jeraldean Reid and Carolyn Arnold and Bonnie Richey during the motorcade, have been spotted (by yours truly) at what appears to be the right edge of the TSBD steps in the Weigman film, and we do know that

5 ) in her 11/23/63 affidavit Mrs. Reid said she stood near Ochus Campbell during the motorcade (and that in her WC testimony she said that she stood near Campbell and Truly), and we do know that

6 ) all-in-white "Stetson Man," Patricia Ann Lawrence (married name Donaldson), Lupe "Lucy" Whittaker, Virgie Rackley Baker, the woman with the partially-hidden face (Reid?), Betty Dragoo, Carolyn Arnold, Bonnie Richey, and very probably Ochus Campbell were standing on the tip of the "Island" or in the street between said tip and the Elm Street Extension Curb (see my research on this on a soon-to-be-here-thread), and we do know that

7 ) we can see short Roy Truly behind them, possibly on the other side of the street on the Elm Street Extension sidewalk

.....

Scroll down to see Linda Giovanna Zambanini's fine work in the form of correctly labeled (imho) Wiegman frames showing many of the people I've mentioned above, especially the one about halfway down in which she has written Bonnie Richey's name in red.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/profile/6679-linda-giovanna-zambanini/content/page/3/?type=forums_topic_post

.....

... what inferences, if any, can we reasonably arrive at?

I say that it's obvious now that the glasses-wearing woman with the partially hidden face in Wiegman is Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean (Bray) Reid.

What say you?


Put a slightly different way:

 The more I think about it the more I realize that the woman with the partially hidden face in Wiegman must be Mrs Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean Reid, due to the fact that she not only resembles the glasses-wearing woman Leavelle was interviewing, and the fact that they both look like the woman who was "captured" on film by Cooper after the assassination (ruling out the possibility that they are one of Jack Ruby's sisters), but also that she is in close proximity with certain people (Arnold, Richey, Campbell, Truly) in Wiegman, which people also "testified" that she was in close proximity with them during the motorcade.

Scroll about halfway down to see Linda Giovanna Zambanini's fine work in the form of a correctly labeled (imho) Wiegman frame showing many of the people I've mentioned above.  (It's the one in which she has Bonnie Richey's name written in red.)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/profile/6679-linda-giovanna-zambanini/content/page/3/?type=forums_topic_post


Bottom line:  I've just now realized, by looking at some correctly-labeled Wiegman frames, that all of the usual suspects (Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, Jeraldean Reid, Ochus Campbell, Roy Truly) were standing in very close proximity to each other during the motorcade, which information jibes with what they "testified" to, and that the bottom-bottom line is that the glasses-wearing woman with the partially-hidden face behind Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo was, indeed, Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean (Bray) Reid.

Sorry, John Iacoletti.


--  MWT   ;)

PS  From the overly busy "Separating The Wheat From The Chaff Department," we have this affidavit by Miss Judy Marie Johnson.  In her affidavit she incorrectly states that she was with (Gloria) Jean Holt and Stella (Mae) Jacob during the shooting (they had departed her company and, with Carol Reed, had moseyed down the north side of Elm Street to a spot near the Stemmons sign by the time the motorcade arrived), but is correct when she says she was with Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Betty Dragoo on the "southwest corner of Houston Street and Elm Street," i.e., on the tip of the "Island" across Elm Street Extension from the TSBD entrance.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1381.pdf


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 08:24:08 AM
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Carolyn Arnold would identify Mrs Reid in a snap if we showed her the images and quickly show Iacoletti to be the t******* ******* that he is...

Thomas - the man in the suit in Moricet's image of Ruby's sister in the Homicide Bureau office is not Leavelle...I've seen another photo from that series where you can see his face and it is not Leavelle...

There's no doubt the woman in question is Mrs Reid...She's right there near Carolyn Arnold in the other photos...

Brian,

As usual, I don't completely understand what you're saying.  For clarification -- on which page of this thread is "Moricet's image of Ruby's sister in the Homicide Bureau office"?

Regardless, have you read my long post, above (on this page), yet?  Yes or no?

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Frederick Clements on September 15, 2019, 11:19:35 AM

From two Oswald's to two Marguerite's to two Reids. What next? Hopefully not two Brian Doyle's. One is bad enough.

Fred

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 11:34:41 AM
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She's done her hair differently in the "interview" photo but her hairline where her forehead meets her hair is near identical.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNRHHHMP/reid1.gif)

Yeah, maybe?

(https://i.postimg.cc/L4zDxTbt/jeraldean-1967-jpg-dade8bb476e64dd8a7be841f0adff62c.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zX8j6gs9/reid-jeraldeean.jpg)

Yep!

JohnM

Nice compilation.

I believe these three photographic images show the same person, and that she was also "caught" on film in Wiegman with her face partially obscured by the two women in standing in front of her -- Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 02:49:30 PM
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Carolyn Arnold would identify Mrs Reid in a snap if we showed her the images and quickly show Iacoletti to be the t******* ******* that he is...

Doyle’s usual “proof by wishful thinking”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
Good thing we have Tommy to decree which images are labeled “correctly”, and when witness were correct or incorrect.

 ::)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
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Bottom line:  I've just now realized, by looking at some correctly-labeled Wiegman frames, that all of the usual suspects (Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, Jeraldean Reid, Ochus Campbell, Roy Truly) were standing in very close proximity to each other during the motorcade, which information jibes with what they "testified" to, and that the bottom-bottom line is that the glasses-wearing woman with the partially-hidden face behind Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo was, indeed, Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean (Bray) Reid.

Sorry, John Iacoletti.


Mytton's kind displaying of the thin glossy pocketbook strap on Mrs Reid's pocketbook outside the Depository in Cooper, and in Leavelle's office, is a precise positive match that confirms the pocketbook is the same on both women...As do the rimless eyeglasses...There is no doubt that the woman in Cooper, and in Leavelle's office on Saturday with Leavelle proofreading her statement to her, is Mrs Robert Reid...Thomas, I think it is time to move on from Iacoletti and his nay-say t*******...In my opinion Iacoletti is not here for serious research purposes and is just here to constantly harass by pretending he is criticizing your input...If we look at Zambanini's Betzner 2 crop we can see Mrs Reid behind Carolyn Arnold at the sidewalk...That's a cincher (as you say) because it places the woman by the people Mrs Robert Reid was described as being near...Simple common sense tells us this woman is Mrs Robert Reid because Leavelle is interviewing her...If we could give proper ignoring to Iacoletti who has now earned it we can codify that this woman is reasonably proven to be Mrs Robert Reid and we can now formally identify her as such just as we have identified Simmons, Holt, and Jacob as well as Calvery at the steps...

The Moricet image with Ruby's sister is linked in his post #152...In it the man standing up with the jacket is not Leavelle...

Now that I have produced serious evidence, DiEugenio has dropped out of his own thread that gave praise to Parker and his troll site in regard to their garbage disinformation on Mrs Reid that was designed to bolster Prayer Man by distorting the evidence...DiEugenio is ignoring my important discovery on their being two Mrs Reid's and Groden being vindicated...Jim is not reliable to good evidence...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 03:59:23 PM
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Nice compilation.

I believe these three photographic images show the same person, and that she was also "caught" on film in Wiegman with her face partially obscured by the two women in standing in front of her -- Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo.

--  MWT  ;)

Just the opposite...

The more I look at all the Mrs Reid's collected by Zambanini the more it becomes obvious to me that "Mrs Robert Reid", out on the sidewalk in Cooper and in the Homicide Bureau office next to Leavelle, is a different person than "Jeraldean Reid", as seen in the yearbook and in Sarah Stanton's Depository employees photo album...They are clearly two different persons as even Iacoletti admits...I personally think Thomas knows this brings CIA in on the plot so he's trying to get away with saying they are all the same person...Tricky Tom...

It makes eminent sense to me that the yearbook Jeraldean Reid from 1930 looks noticeably like the Sarah Stanton album photo from 1967...Yet the 1930 yearbook photo does not look like any of the Mrs Robert Reid photos in front of the Depository...If you think about it that doesn't make sense because the images of Mrs Robert Reid are 33 years after the yearbook photo while the Stanton album photo is 37...This is proof that they are different people...

I'm pissed-off because I am a damned good researcher who has proven himself by his work...I even got Josephs to admit Oswald was in the second floor lunch room and witnessed by Mrs Reid (although he chose not to honestly credit me for it or apologize for the previous hard time he gave me over it where he said "stop f***ing around" when I first posted Duncan's enlargement of Davidson)...When I asked Zambanini to give her opinion on our Prayer Man evidence that it was Stanton she blocked me instead...That's a lowbrow move...It is also a move that cuts me off from the research sources that led me to discover important new evidence...It was Zambanini who discovered Wanda Daniel's identity...I was the one to actually make contact with her after reading Zambanini's discovery of her identity...Because of Zambanini's research I was able to find out about Sarah Stanton's witnessing of Oswald outside the 2nd floor lunch room...And I was also able to find this incredible proof of Groden being correct...It is a petty booby move to cut somebody off simply because he disproved your pet Prayer Man theory...I am now cut-off from the sources by which I made seriously important new evidence discoveries for the crime of leading the research community away from their wrong claims and towards the right evidence like a good researcher is supposed to do...That's wrong and that community should be ashamed of itself...To show the value of character of these persons - I was emotionally accused of stealing Zambanini's work when I interviewed Daniel...I was told I should have waited for her to interview Daniel before I tried to contact her...The truth is it is 15 months now and Zambanini or none of the Prayer Man cult have interviewed Wanda...The reason for that is because Wanda strongly agreed with the fact Prayer Man is her grand mother Sarah...It is kind of obvious to me that the banning boobies would not have honestly reported Wanda's true information had they gotten it first and it is clear to me that it is a good thing I interviewed her because the Prayer Man people would have buried her while dishonestly accusing me of stealing...My reward from these dominating Prayer Man jerks for being a damned good researcher is destruction, being cut-off, and being removed from the community by the dumb head of James Gordon who protects rotten research and bans the most skilled while calling himself a good moderator...The Prayer Man people are collectively ignoring Stanton's witnessing of Oswald outside the 2nd floor lunch room and are acting like boobies behind the guidance of Kamp, DiEugenio, and Gordon...3 bullies who attack good research...

I have just discovered proof that Groden is vindicated and it is of no interest to the Gordon-led bully banning boobies...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
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Mytton's kind displaying of the thin glossy pocketbook strap

A thin pocketbook strap. How unique.

 ::)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 06:51:09 PM
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Good thing we have Tommy to decree which images are labeled “correctly”, and when witness were correct or incorrect.

Iacoletti,

I thought you highly respected Linda Giovanna Zambanini's research and photo identification skills.

Heck, she even got (dark-complected) Stella Mae Jacob, (strawberryblond) Gloria Holt, (blue-headscarf-wearing) Sharon Simmons, and (big, tall) Gloria Calvery right, evidently without having read what Sandy Larsen and I had written about those four gals, plus (running woman on Elm Street Extension) Karan Hicks, (all-in-white) Carol Reed, and (tall, dress and light-blue headscarf-wearing) Karen Westbrook) at the EF a couple of years ago!

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 07:41:58 PM
I believe that Linda was the first to suggest that police station woman is Ruby’s sister.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 07:47:00 PM
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I believe that Linda was the first to suggest that police station woman is Ruby’s sister.

Iacoletti,

I believe I never did say she was perfect. (Other than you, very few of us are.)

After all, it took her a long, long time to finally get Jacob, Holt, Simmons and Calvery right.

Who does she think that woman is now?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 08:19:15 PM

The Sunday photo of Ruby's sister in the Homicide Bureau office has nothing to do with the photo of Mrs Reid in the same office the day before...

We've reasonably proven the woman next to Leavelle is the same woman seen on the sidewalk in front of the Depository after the shooting...Mytton matched the face, eyeglasses, and pocketbook strap making a positive identification as Mrs Robert Reid...This woman has a visible facial appearance difference from Jeraldean Bray Reid as seen in the yearbook photo and Stanton's album photo...This does appear to confirm Groden's claim of there being two Mrs Reid's...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 09:41:42 PM
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The Sunday photo of Ruby's sister in the Homicide Bureau office has nothing to do with the photo of Mrs Reid in the same office the day before...

We've reasonably proven the woman next to Leavelle is the same woman seen on the sidewalk in front of the Depository after the shooting...Mytton matched the face, eyeglasses, and pocketbook strap making a positive identification as Mrs Robert Reid...This woman has a visible facial appearance difference from Jeraldean Bray Reid as seen in the yearbook photo and Stanton's album photo...This does appear to confirm Groden's claim of there being two Mrs Reid's...

Brian,

I believe that the woman in "your" color photo could be the same person who's in Wiegman, Cooper, and in the clip showing her sitting on the couch with Jim Leavelle.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
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Brian,

I believe that the woman in "your" color photo could be the same person who's in Wiegman, Cooper, and in the clip showing her sitting on the couch with Jim Leavelle.

--  MWT   ;)

When I spoke to Groden last year on the phone he told me he recognized the woman in Stanton's photo as the woman he interviewed and said she was visibly scared...

The reason the Commission focused on "Mrs Robert Reid" was because she was outside on the sidewalk and not inside witnessing Oswald on the 2nd floor during the shots...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 10:11:22 PM
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When I spoke to Groden last year on the phone he told me he recognized the woman in Stanton's photo as the woman he interviewed and said she was visibly scared...

The reason the Commission focused on "Mrs Robert Reid" was because she was outside on the sidewalk and not inside witnessing Oswald on the 2nd floor during the shots...


Why in the world would anyone believe what Robert Groden says?

--  MWT   ;)

During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert witness and testified that a 1993 photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes at an NFL football game was a forgery. Even after 30 additional photos by a different photographer captured on the same day of Simpson wearing the same clothes and shoes surfaced, Groden still maintained that the original photograph was a forgery.[8] Lacking certifications from professional organizations, Groden admitted his photography training relied on his experience as a professional photo lab technician.[9]

-- Wikipedia
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 10:14:12 PM
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Why in the world would anyone believe what Robert Groden says?

--  MWT   ;)

Because it is backed up by photographic evidence that even Iacoletti said looked like two different women...The Betzner 2 image by Zambanini looks like a different person than the Stanton album photo Jeraldean Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 10:32:14 PM
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Because it is backed up by photographic evidence that even Iacoletti said looked like two different women...The Betzner 2 image by Zambanini looks like a different person than the Stanton album photo Jeraldean Reid...


Your saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 15, 2019, 10:48:21 PM

Still it doesn't make sense that the 1930 and 1967 photos would look similar but the 1930 and 1963 photos don't...

The yearbook and sidewalk photos do not look similar...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 11:33:21 PM
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I believe I never did say she was perfect. (Other than you, very few of us are.)

I never claimed to be perfect. You’re certainly not.

Quote
After all, it took her a long, long time to finally get Jacob, Holt, Simmons and Calvery right.

Your saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 11:35:32 PM
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We've reasonably proven the woman next to Leavelle is the same woman seen on the sidewalk in front of the Depository after the shooting...Mytton matched the face, eyeglasses, and pocketbook strap making a positive identification as Mrs Robert Reid...

Except you haven’t actually proven that either one is named Reid.

Mytton didn't even claim that the glasses and pocketbook matched. That’s your fabrication.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 11:38:43 PM
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When I spoke to Groden last year on the phone he told me he recognized the woman in Stanton's photo as the woman he interviewed and said she was visibly scared...

If Groden had really talked to Jeraldean, he would have known that she was Mrs Robert Reid and that there was no “Delores”.

He claimed he couldn’t tell her story until she died, but Reid died in 1973. Groden didn’t tell the story until 2013.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 15, 2019, 11:46:04 PM
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I never claimed to be perfect. You’re certainly not.

Your saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

Iacoletti,

Your denying it over and over doesn't make it untrue.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 15, 2019, 11:52:17 PM
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Your denying it over and over doesn't make it untrue.

I’m not denying anything. I’m pointing out that your “evidence” consists of nothing but repeating your opinions over and over again. Just like Doyle.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 12:04:17 AM
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I’m not denying anything. I’m pointing out that your “evidence” consists of nothing but repeating your opinions over and over again. Just like Doyle.

Iacoletti,

You continually deny that my mostly circumstantial evidence is "evidence," even when there's a preponderance of it.

It would help if you were able to distinguish dress and raincoat-wearing women in the distance from Bermuda shorts-wearing cowboys, epecially when one of them cowboys is wearing a blue headscarf.

That sort of thing.

Considered getting glasses, or at least discontinuing that filthy ritual in the garden?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 02:57:00 AM
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Iacoletti,

You continually deny that my mostly circumstantial evidence is "evidence," even when there's a preponderance of it.

It would help if you were able to distinguish dress and raincoat-wearing women in the distance from Bermuda shorts-wearing cowboys, epecially when one of them cowboys is wearing a blue headscarf.

That sort of thing.

Considered getting glasses, or at least discontinuing that filthy ritual in the garden?

--  MWT  ;)

It would help if you could have a conversation that contained anything  other than obnoxious, sarcastic, made-up strawmen to argue about.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 03:05:36 AM
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It would help if you could have a conversation that contained anything  other than obnoxious, sarcastic, made-up strawmen to argue about.

Iacoletti,

I tried that with you until I realized that, having an agenda, you weren't willing to admit that:

1)  Your "Glasses Woman" in Betzner-3 was the same person as the big, tall gal in Zapruder

2)  Westbrook's "uh ... probably Carol Reed" was dark-complected (like self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob)

3)  The three people on the Pergola Patio in the Towner film were not only women, but were the same women who were standing near the Stemmons sign in Zapruder

4) ad nauseam

--  MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 03:08:10 AM
Sorry, I don’t “admit” that a claim is true merely because you insist that it is. Get over it.

And who are you trying to kid? You’re sarcastic and obnoxious with everybody.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 03:12:47 AM
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Sorry, I don’t “admit” that a claim is true merely because you insist that it is. Get over it.

And who are you trying to kid? You’re sarcastic and obnoxious with everybody.

Iacoletti,

No, you just made that up.

I'm witty and humorous with everyone but you, and ...

--  MWT  ;)

PS  You'd find that I'm also highly informative if you'd just open your (onasism-damaged?) eyes.

All you can see are blobs, now, right?

Tsk, tsk
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 04:10:06 AM
I would like to have the input of members who have viewed this thread but never commented. Who is right in your opinion?  ;D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 04:20:28 AM
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I never claimed to be perfect. You’re certainly not.

I am!
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 04:22:48 AM
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I would like to have the input of members who have viewed this thread but never commented. Who is right in your opinion?  ;D

Right about what?

There are about 15,000 permutations.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Have you read my longish post, above, that incorporates Linda Giovanna Zambanini's findings, and my findings (i.e., where Campbell and Truly were standing, and the fact that "Stetson Man" and Lawrence / Donaldson and Whittaker and Virgie Rackley Baker and the woman we're speculating about and Dragoo and Arnold and Richey and Ochus Campbell were standing in the street between the tip of the "Island" and the Elm Street Extension sidewalk ... plus the documentary evidence (affidavits. etc)?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 04:23:36 AM
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Bill,

If you haven't noticed, they won.


Are you a Trump supporter, by any chance?

It doesn't matter, the Far-Left is just as brainwashed as the Far-Right.

Heck, even James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio at the so-called Education Forum is a Trump supporter.

LOL

--  MWT  ;)

Trump supports America. If you don't, I suggest you deport yourself to Mexico.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 04:25:33 AM
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Trump supports America. If you don't, I suggest you deport yourself to Mexico.

LOL

--  MWT   :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 04:28:50 AM
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Right about what?

There are 15,000 permutations.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Have you read my longish post, above, that incorporates Linda Giovanna Zambanini's findings, and my findings (i.e., where Campbell and Truly were standing, and the fact that "Stetson Man" and Lawrence/Donaldson and Whittaker and Virgie Rackley Baker and the woman we're speculating about and Dragoo and Arnold and Richey and Ochus Campbell were standing in the street between the tip of the "Island" and the Elm Street Extension sidewalk ... plus the documentary evidence (affidavits. etc)?

--  MWT  ;)

I would just like to know if members think that the lady in the color photo is the same as the one on the sidewalk after the shooting.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 04:38:08 AM
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I would just like to know if members think that the lady in the color photo is the same as the one on the sidewalk after the shooting.

Denis,

Why don't you start a poll?

Regardless, What do you think?  Many of us have been holding our breath waiting for you to chime in.

Last time I looked, the History Channel (or whatever) snippet you posted wasn't labeled as to which "special" or episode it was taken from.

Do you know?

If so, would you care to share it with us, if you haven't already done so?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  I also took into account that Mrs. Robert A. Reid's maiden name was "Bray".

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145566340/jeraldean-reid

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 04:52:04 AM
This is the History Channel film of the lady with Leavelle. This is the only instance where I see this particular guard. I think I could get his name and we could check if he wrote a report on what he did and, most importantly, when. Also, I sent several photos and films including the color photo of Reid to a TSBD employee a few months ago, but got no answer. I will call this person some time this week. Maybe I have a wrong address. I also have the address of another one to whom I can send those same images tomorrow. Those images are various photos taken in Dealey Plaza, some of which show "Reid". I'm not asking them "Is this Mrs. Reid?", but "Do you know who this is?". If nothing work, I'll try to contact other TSBD employees who have seen Oswald before the assassination.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 04:56:08 AM
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This is the History Channel film of the lady with Leavelle. This is the only instance where I see this particular guard. I think I could get his name and we could check if he wrote a report on what he did and, most importantly, when. Also, I sent several photos and films including the color photo of Reid to a TSBD employee a few months ago, but got no answer. I will call this person some time this week. Maybe I have a wrong address. I also have the address of another one to whom I can send those same images tomorrow. Those images are various photos taken in Dealey Plaza, some of which show "Reid". I'm not asking them "Is this Mrs. Reid?", but "Do you know who this is?". If nothing work, I'll try to contact other TSBD employees who have seen Oswald before the assassination.


What's the title of that History Channel "special" or "episode" or "program," for cryin' out loud?

Do you know?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 05:03:16 AM
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What's the title of that History Channel "special" or "episode" or "program," for cryin' out loud?

Do you know?

I don't know! Well, it is 3 Shots that Changed America. Cheap on Amazon. It's worth it. If you buy it, get also JFK: The Lost Tapes. Also cheap.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 05:15:19 AM
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I don't know! Well, it is 3 Shots that Changed America. Cheap on Amazon. It's worth it. If you buy it, get also JFK: The Lost Tapes. Also cheap.

Thanks.

I suppose the former only has this snippet from that particular HC "special," "episode" or "program," and the latter may have none of it?

--  MWT  ;)



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 05:27:58 AM
Tommy was so busy being obnoxious and sarcastic that he didn’t notice that I mentioned the title of the program 7 pages back.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 05:33:48 AM
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Thanks.

I suppose the former only has this snippet from that particular HC "special," "episode" or "program," and the latter may have none of it?

--  MWT  ;)

I'm 99% sure that The Lost Tapes does not have that. You can scroll down in my blog. Maybe one of these documentaries has it. I don't remember any one does.

https://jfkassassinationdocumentaries.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 05:39:23 AM
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I'm 99% sure that The Lost Tapes does not have that. You can scroll down in my blog. Maybe one of these documentaries has it. I don't remember any one does.

https://jfkassassinationdocumentaries.wordpress.com/

What I'm kinda talking about is the whole HC show, but I guess you don't know anything about that, what it was called, or nothin ...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 05:58:10 AM
https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Shots-That-Changed-America/dp/B002PTVMWO/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=three+shots+that+changed+america&qid=1568609880&sr=8-5
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 06:06:27 AM
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Tommy was so busy being obnoxious and sarcastic that he didn’t notice that I mentioned the title of the program 7 pages back.

Iacoletti,

Yeah, I noticed it.

I just don't trust you.

LOL

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 06:09:32 AM
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https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Shots-That-Changed-America/dp/B002PTVMWO/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=three+shots+that+changed+america&qid=1568609880&sr=8-5

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1523308/
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 11:46:19 AM
It is all too clear that Jeraldean Bray Reid is Mrs Robert A. Reid. But before we are writing off Groden's 'witness' as a hoax person, imagine she was telling the truth but Groden made the mistake in equating 'Delores' to 'Mrs R. A. Reid'.

Four women with relevance here?

1. 'Martha Reed' (born 11 August 1923). Her real name was Dolores Maria Reed:
(https://i.imgur.com/Pvxr3us.jpg)
She was outside during motorcade and after that went up to the 2. floor offices where she told two women over what had happened outside:
(https://i.imgur.com/dNHNV2S.jpg)
These two women, logically, was each on 2. floor during motorcade.

2. Geraldine Reid/Reed: was giving Oswald change when the shots took place. Tried to tell Oswald family (see what Attorney General Carr is wondering on this during 'Mrs Robert A. Reid' testimony).

3. Geneva Hine: she didn't see Geraldine Reid/Reed giving Oswald change because she was looking out the window at the motorcade during the time. But she did see Oswald leaving a little later. So keeps changing her story.

4. Jeraldean Bray Reid: housewife!
(https://i.imgur.com/i67moEB.jpg)
Wife of Records Office man Robert Anthony Reid, not TSBD clerical superviser, fake witness, they bring her in to play the role of 'Mrs Reid' because her name Jeraldean Reid sounds like Geraldine Reid/Reed. They need a 'Geraldine Reid'! Part of her story taken from Pauline Sanders (regarding Ochus Campbell). No photo of her from time of Warren Commission testimony. Always called 'Mrs R. A. Reid' or 'Mrs Robert A. Reid' to hide fact she is not true TSBD Mrs Reid. Poor woman.

Big hoax to hide Oswald is innocent?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 04:03:16 PM
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What I'm kinda talking about is the whole HC show, but I guess you don't know anything about that, what it was called, or nothin ...

The “whole HC show” is called “JFK: 3 Shots That Changed America”

You don’t have to trust me. Get a copy of the damn thing and watch it.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 04:12:57 PM
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1. 'Martha Reed' (born 11 August 1923). Her real name was Dolores Maria Reed:

Interesting. How did you determine that this is the same person?

If she was “Mrs. Martha Reed”, wouldn’t that have been her married name?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
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Wife of Records Office man Robert Anthony Reid, not TSBD clerical superviser, fake witness, they bring her in to play the role of 'Mrs Reid' because her name Jeraldean Reid sounds like Geraldine Reid/Reed. They need a 'Geraldine Reid'! Part of her story taken from Pauline Sanders (regarding Ochus Campbell). No photo of her from time of Warren Commission testimony. Always called 'Mrs R. A. Reid' or 'Mrs Robert A. Reid' to hide fact she is not true TSBD Mrs Reid. Poor woman.

Big hoax to hide Oswald is innocent?

There are things that don't make sense with this whole thing...If there were two Jeraldean Reid's then you think someone else would have noticed...Yet the Mrs Robert Reid in the police station and Warren Commission testimony does appear to have different facial features than Jeraldean Reid...Plus the Deep Throat told Groden that the Commission was fully aware of the two Mrs Reid's and that is why they focused on the sidewalk "Mrs Robert Reid" to make sure they disappeared the giving-change-to-Oswald-at-the-time-of-the-shots Jeraldean Reid...

Groden told me the woman seen in Sarah Stanton's photo album picture was the woman he interviewed in 1970 and that she was visibly scared...

There appears to be a pattern here that suggests the Depository was a spook "safe building" under Truly and Colonel Byrd...Being so, it makes sense that Oswald's assignment to be in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots was pre-planned and that is why Stanton saw Oswald itching to get back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...With this overall bigger picture in mind Mrs Robert Reid was not listening to the radio reports of the motorcade's progress on the telephone with her husband by chance, she was listening as part of pre-planned ruse to get the ladies in the lunch room excited that the motorcade was coming soon and clear them all out of the 2nd floor lunch room so Oswald could go in there alone...Mrs Robert Reid is an active spook because she's not telling the Commission what other ladies were in the lunch room...Maybe because she doesn't know who they were...Or maybe because they witnessed something she doesn't want known...

After the assassination this damage control name double takes over Jeraldean Reid's identity...

The flaw in this theory is how do they get this otherwise TSBD stranger inside and controlling people with the motorcade reports without anyone noticing or saying anything about it?...

The JFK research community is dysfunctional because the usual players make the excuse that Groden was hoaxed and don't look deeper...This should have been intensely investigated years ago...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 06:06:42 PM
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There are things that don't make sense with this whole thing...If there were two Jeraldean Reid's then you think someone else would have noticed...Yet the Mrs Robert Reid in the police station and Warren Commission testimony does appear to have different facial features than Jeraldean Reid...Plus the Deep Throat told Groden that the Commission was fully aware of the two Mrs Reid's and that is why they focused on the sidewalk "Mrs Robert Reid" to make sure they disappeared the giving-change-to-Oswald-at-the-time-of-the-shots Jeraldean Reid...

Groden told me the woman seen in Sarah Stanton's photo album picture was the woman he interviewed in 1970 and that she was visibly scared...

There appears to be a pattern here that suggests the Depository was a spook "safe building" under Truly and Colonel Byrd...Being so, it makes sense that Oswald's assignment to be in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots was pre-planned and that is why Stanton saw Oswald itching to get back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...With this overall bigger picture in mind Mrs Robert Reid was not listening to the radio reports of the motorcade's progress on the telephone with her husband by chance, she was listening as part of pre-planned ruse to get the ladies in the lunch room excited that the motorcade was coming soon and clear them all out of the 2nd floor lunch room so Oswald could go in there alone...

After the assassination this damage control name double takes over Jeraldean Reid's identity...

The flaw in this theory is how do they get this otherwise TSBD stranger inside and controlling people with the motorcade reports without anyone noticing or saying anything about it?...

The JFK research community is dysfunctional because the usual players make the excuse that Groden was hoaxed and don't look deeper...This should have been intensely investigated years ago...

Brian,

Have you seen the high school photo of TSBD employee Martha Reed?

She was a very masculine-looking, lantern-jawed basketball and volleyball player in high school.

Not the gal in "your" color photo.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 06:23:05 PM
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Brian,

Have you seen the high school photo of TSBD employee Martha Reed?

She was a very masculine-looking, lantern-jawed basketball and volleyball player in high school.

Not the gal in "your" color photo.

--  MWT  ;)

No because I have been blocked from the people showing it and their Facebook pages for the crime of correctly proving Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 06:38:07 PM
Mrs Robert Reid is an active spook because she's not telling the Commission what other ladies were in the lunch room...Maybe because she doesn't know who they were...Or maybe because they witnessed something she doesn't want known...Like maybe Sarah Stanton and what she witnessed?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 06:40:36 PM
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Interesting. How did you determine that this is the same person?

If she was “Mrs. Martha Reed”, wouldn’t that have been her married name?

I believe she may be same person due to Martha/Maria are very close cousin-names like Jack/John, and 'Martha Reed' was born on same day as Dolores Maria Reed, 11 August 1923.
(https://i.imgur.com/nXLT7GR.jpg)
Dolores has died also in Texas.

One place says 'Mrs Martha Reed' but not others, for example:
(https://i.imgur.com/kRQjQzL.jpg)
Also, Geneva Hine in testimony calls her as 'Miss Martha Reid'.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 06:40:54 PM
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Mrs Robert Reid is an active spook because she's not telling the Commission what other ladies were in the lunch room...Maybe because she doesn't know who they were...Or maybe because they witnessed something she doesn't want known...Like maybe Sarah Stanton and what she witnessed?...

Brian,

LOL!

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
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There are things that don't make sense with this whole thing...If there were two Jeraldean Reid's then you think someone else would have noticed...Yet the Mrs Robert Reid in the police station and Warren Commission testimony does appear to have different facial features than Jeraldean Reid...Plus the Deep Throat told Groden that the Commission was fully aware of the two Mrs Reid's and that is why they focused on the sidewalk "Mrs Robert Reid" to make sure they disappeared the giving-change-to-Oswald-at-the-time-of-the-shots Jeraldean Reid...

Groden told me the woman seen in Sarah Stanton's photo album picture was the woman he interviewed in 1970 and that she was visibly scared...

There appears to be a pattern here that suggests the Depository was a spook "safe building" under Truly and Colonel Byrd...Being so, it makes sense that Oswald's assignment to be in the 2nd floor lunch room during the shots was pre-planned and that is why Stanton saw Oswald itching to get back in to the 2nd floor lunch room...With this overall bigger picture in mind Mrs Robert Reid was not listening to the radio reports of the motorcade's progress on the telephone with her husband by chance, she was listening as part of pre-planned ruse to get the ladies in the lunch room excited that the motorcade was coming soon and clear them all out of the 2nd floor lunch room so Oswald could go in there alone...Mrs Robert Reid is an active spook because she's not telling the Commission what other ladies were in the lunch room...Maybe because she doesn't know who they were...Or maybe because they witnessed something she doesn't want known...

After the assassination this damage control name double takes over Jeraldean Reid's identity...

The flaw in this theory is how do they get this otherwise TSBD stranger inside and controlling people with the motorcade reports without anyone noticing or saying anything about it?...

The JFK research community is dysfunctional because the usual players make the excuse that Groden was hoaxed and don't look deeper...This should have been intensely investigated years ago...

If theory is right, then this is the real 'Geraldine Reid/Reed' who was met by Groden (he says he recognizes her)
(https://i.imgur.com/qgYBt1x.jpg)
She is in TSBD day of assassination. Jeraldean Bray Reid (Mrs R. A. Reid) is not. All a pretend.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 06:51:11 PM
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She is in TSBD day of assassination. Jeraldean Bray Reid (Mrs R. A. Reid) is not. All a pretend.

Realize that Sarah Stanton penned in the index of her album containing this picture:

"Jeraldean Reid 1967"...

I'm confused...How could "Mrs Robert Reid" get away with such an enormous whopper about the telephone and her husband listening on the radio to the progress of the motorcade?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 06:57:58 PM
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Realize that Sarah Stanton penned in the index of her album containing this picture:

"Jeraldean Reid 1967"...

Whose maiden name was Bray, whose married name was Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid), who died in 1973, and whom I believe is the woman in Wiegman, in Cooper,  and the clip with Jim Revealle.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 06:58:35 PM
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Realize that Sarah Stanton penned in the index of her album containing this picture:

"Jeraldean Reid 1967"...

Jeraldean Bray Reid died 1973 so no way Groden's witness.
Possibly 'Geraldine Reid/Reed' was also spellt Jeraldean (with meaning that Groden got spelling wrong). Or possibly Sarah Stanton got spelling of first name wrong because of confusion caused by authorities identity-switching.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 07:05:12 PM
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Whose maiden name was Bray, whose married name was Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid), who died in 1973, and whom I believe is the woman in Wiegman, in Cooper,  and the clip with Jim Revealle.

--  MWT   ;)

If this woman in Sarah Stanton's photo album was the woman on the sidewalk why would she tell Groden she was giving change to Oswald in the 2nd floor offices during the shots and show visible fear that Groden told me was palpable?...

It still doesn't make sense to me that the 1930 yearbook Jeraldean Reid bears a strong resemblance to the 1967 Stanton photo album Jeraldean Reid but doesn't look like the 1963 Cooper film Mrs Robert Reid?...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 07:07:47 PM
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Jeraldean Bray Reid died 1973 so no way Groden's witness.
Possibly 'Geraldine Reid/Reed' was also spellt Jeraldean (with meaning that Groden got spelling wrong). Or possibly Sarah Stanton got spelling of first name wrong because of confusion caused by authorities identity-switching.

Groden told me he interviewed the woman in Stanton's Depository employee photo album in either 1970 or 1971...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 07:14:32 PM
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Groden told me he interviewed the woman in Stanton's Depository employee photo album in either 1970 or 1971...

He gave her promise he would not tell her story until she is dead. Jeraldean Bray Reid dies in 1973, just a couple years later. But Groden waits 3.5 decades because only after then 'I recently received word and confirmation of her passing.' Also when he meets 'Geraldine Reid' she is looking like late 70s/early 80s. Different woman for certain.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 07:15:46 PM
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If this woman in Sarah Stanton's photo album was the woman on the sidewalk why would she tell Groden she was giving change to Oswald in the 2nd floor offices during the shots and show visible fear that Groden told me was palpable?...

It still doesn't make sense to me that the 1930 yearbook Jeraldean Reid bears a strong resemblance to the 1967 Stanton photo album Jeraldean Reid but doesn't look like the 1963 Cooper film Mrs Robert Reid?...

Brian,

Why would anyone believe anything Robert Groden said?

Answer:  Because they desperately want to.

--  MWT   ;)

PS  "Her fear was palpable" is more likely than not Groden's strategy for making "her" unreachable by researchers, and for keeping "her" full info "hush-hush"!

PPS  Does he have a book about "her" in the works?

LOL




Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 07:21:13 PM
Groden writes about after Oswald leaves office to get coke: 'In the meantime, someone had informed Geraldine Reid about the assassination.' This was Martha/Dolores Reed, and Geneva Hine was there too with Geraldine:
(https://i.imgur.com/4KKYPhI.jpg)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
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He gave her promise he would not tell her story until she is dead. Jeraldean Bray Reid dies in 1973, just a couple years later. But Groden waits 3.5 decades because only after then 'I recently received word and confirmation of her passing.' Also when he meets 'Geraldine Reid' she is looking like late 70s/early 80s. Different woman for certain.

This creates even more confusion...Did Groden say when he met the woman in the photo in 1970 she was in her late 70's early 80's?...That doesn't make sense because we have proof that the woman in the yearbook photo was born in 1912 which would make her 58 at the time of Groden's interview...And the woman in the yearbook photo is certainly the woman in the photo Groden confirmed was the woman he interviewed...

It is possible for the sidewalk Mrs Robert Reid to die in 1973...These early deaths are very prevalent in such strange assassination witnesses and very convenient...

Groden confirmed the woman in Stanton's Depository photo album was the woman he interviewed and she doesn't look 80 years old...


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 16, 2019, 07:29:28 PM
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No because I have been blocked from the people showing it and their Facebook pages for the crime of correctly proving Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

You are now able to see the post in my FB groups. But you can't comment. At least, you will be able to learn a lot of new things on the JFK assassination.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 07:45:12 PM
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Groden writes about after Oswald leaves office to get coke: 'In the meantime, someone had informed Geraldine Reid about the assassination.' This was Martha/Dolores Reed, and Geneva Hine was there too with Geraldine:

You're still losing me here because Martha Reed is apparently visibly distinct from our sidewalk Mrs Robert Reid and was up by Record Street on the block north of Houston...

Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke is in Mrs Robert Reid's Commission testimony...Karen Westbrook said Mrs Reid told her of this encounter while all the secretaries were detained for questioning in the 2nd floor office corral...That was shortly after it happened...
 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 08:03:02 PM
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You're still losing me here because Martha Reed is apparently visibly distinct from our sidewalk Mrs Robert Reid and was up by Record Street on the block north of Houston...

Oswald coming from the 2nd floor lunch room with a Coke is in Mrs Robert Reid's Commission testimony...Karen Westbrook said Mrs Reid told her of this encounter while all the secretaries were detained for questioning in the 2nd floor office corral...That was shortly after it happened...

Brian,

It seems to me that your hyperactive CTer mind is trying to pound square pegs into round holes, complicated by the fact that you've been given some bum information by Groden, and the fact that there were three Reeds (phonetic) who worked in the TSBD:  Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Bray Reid), lantern-jawed "Martha" (Dolores Maria) Reed, and Carol Reed.

LOL

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Maybe you should just give it up and admit you've been punked by Groden?

PPS  "Dragoo" is the correct spelling of the last name of one of the women who was partially obscuring the face of Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Bray Reid) in the Wiegman film.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGNED-BETTY-DRAGOO-FDC-AUTOGRAPHED-FIRST-DAY-COVER-JFK-ASSASSINATION-OSWALD-/221662285375


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 08:33:41 PM
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This creates even more confusion...Did Groden say when he met the woman in the photo in 1970 she was in her late 70's early 80's?...That doesn't make sense because we have proof that the woman in the yearbook photo was born in 1912 which would make her 58 at the time of Groden's interview...And the woman in the yearbook photo is certainly the woman in the photo Groden confirmed was the woman he interviewed...

It is possible for the sidewalk Mrs Robert Reid to die in 1973...These early deaths are very prevalent in such strange assassination witnesses and very convenient...

Groden confirmed the woman in Stanton's Depository photo album was the woman he interviewed and she doesn't look 80 years old...

'At the time I did the interview, the witness appeared to be in her late seventies to early eighties.'
Groden, Absolute Proof.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 08:45:30 PM

Something's obviously wrong here...

Groden struck me as someone who would not fabricate the Deep Throat contact...

Plus we have what appears to be different people in Mrs Robert Reid and Jeraldean Reid...

Plus we know from Sarah Stanton and Carolyn Arnold that Oswald was around the 2nd floor lunch room at the time of the shots...

Why would Oswald be getting change for a Coke if Sarah Stanton saw him with a soda moments earlier?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 09:27:27 PM
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Something's obviously wrong here...

Groden struck me as someone who would not fabricate the Deep Throat contact...

Plus we have what appears to be different people in Mrs Robert Reid and Jeraldean Reid...

Plus we know from Sarah Stanton and Carolyn Arnold that Oswald was around the 2nd floor lunch room at the time of the shots...

Why would Oswald be getting change for a Coke if Sarah Stanton saw him with a soda moments earlier?...

Brian,

Have you ever considered the possibility that you're gullible, especially when it comes to Anti-CIA JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theories?

--  MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 09:44:09 PM
The Revill list contains 'Mrs. R. A. Reid':
(https://i.imgur.com/nPVOMiv.jpg)
This is an authentic early document surely.

What is the first time the witness 'Mrs. R. A. Reid' is definitely evidenced as the wife of Robert A. Reid? Is not this at her WC testimony?

Is it possible that Groden's Geraldine Reid/Reed was married with somebody with name 'R. A. Reid/Reed' (but not the Robert A. Reid married with Jeraldean Bray Reid)? For example (just example) 'Randy Allen Reed' (who has died at an interesting date)
(https://i.imgur.com/AtmcKvq.jpg)

We need help from good genealogy people!

PS Roy Truly's affidavit has a note at its bottom where the woman's name is spellt 'Mrs Reed'
(https://i.imgur.com/ZbslbFH.jpg)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 09:45:06 PM
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No because I have been blocked from the people showing it and their Facebook pages for the crime of correctly proving Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

Actually, you’ve been blocked for the crime of being Brian Doyle.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 09:50:25 PM
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Actually, you’ve been blocked for the crime of being Brian Doyle.


Iacoletti,

You and I finally agree on something.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 09:51:45 PM
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'At the time I did the interview, the witness appeared to be in her late seventies to early eighties.'
Groden, Absolute Proof.

Also notice that Groden says nothing in the book about this interview happening in 1970 or 1971.

Yet another Doyle fabrication?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 09:55:30 PM
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Plus we know from Sarah Stanton and Carolyn Arnold that Oswald was around the 2nd floor lunch room at the time of the shots...

No we don’t. You made it up.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
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The Revill list contains 'Mrs. R. A. Reid':
(https://i.imgur.com/nPVOMiv.jpg)
This is an authentic early document surely.

What is the first time the witness 'Mrs. R. A. Reid' is definitely evidenced as the wife of Robert A. Reid? Is not this at her WC testimony?


Why are you even questioning at this point whether or not Mrs. R. A. Reid = Mrs. Robert Reid = Mrs. Robert A. Reid = Jeraldean (Bray) Reid = Geraldine (sic) Reid?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 10:17:58 PM
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Why are you even questioning at this point whether or not Mrs. R. A. Reid = Mrs. Robert Reid = Mrs. Robert A. Reid = Jeraldean Reid = Geraldine (sic) Reid?

--  MWT   ;)

Because it looks like a different woman in the pictures...

Mrs Robert Reid appears to be on the sidewalk walking away with Carolyn Arnold when she's supposed to be upstairs seeing Oswald...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 10:32:25 PM
I think the Dolores Marie Reed that Ali found is a red herring. Our Martha Reed died 24 Aug 1987 and apparently never married.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 10:32:51 PM
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Because it looks like a different woman in the pictures...

Mrs Robert Reid appears to be on the sidewalk walking away with Carolyn Arnold when she's supposed to be upstairs seeing Oswald...


1)  I really do think the woman with Leavelle looks as though she could be the same woman who's in "your" color photo.
 
2)  Who says Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid) "was supposed to be upstairs, seeing Oswald" at that time?

3)  What time was the Cooper image shot?  One minute after the assassination?

--  MWT   ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 10:36:42 PM
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I think the Dolores Marie Reed that Ali found is a red herring. Our Martha Reed died 24 Aug 1987 and apparently never married.

Where does this date come from?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 10:46:13 PM
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Where does this date come from?

Social Security Death Index and Texas Death Index on ancestry.com. She also appears in somebody’s family tree there with no spouse or children listed.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 10:49:44 PM
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Social Security Death Index and Texas Death Index on ancestry.com. She also appears in somebody’s family tree there with no spouse or children listed.

Thank you. Is her birth date also given there?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 16, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
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Thank you. Is her birth date also given there?

Yes. 11 Aug 1923 Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 16, 2019, 11:09:31 PM
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1)  I really do think the woman with Leavelle looks as though she could be the same woman who's in "your" color photo.
 
2)  Who says Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid) "was supposed to be upstairs, seeing Oswald" at that time?

3)  What time was the Cooper image shot?  One minute after the assassination?

--  MWT   ;)

If Cooper is 1 minute after the shots then Mrs Robert Reid needs to get upstairs quick because she's the only one in the office when she sees Oswald exit after the Baker & Truly encounter...

That is exactly my point, that the woman in the Stanton album photo is labeled "Jeraldean Reid" yet she looks different than the Mrs Robert Reid sitting next to Leavelle...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ali Schmidt on September 16, 2019, 11:11:34 PM
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Yes. 11 Aug 1923 Plymouth, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA

Good, ok. Looks like Dolores Reed date of birth was only coincidence.
Where did Groden 'witness' mentioning of Delores come from? Strange detail. Without a Delores/Dolores Reid/Reed anywhere, this is maybe a hoax story after all.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 16, 2019, 11:43:31 PM
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If Cooper is 1 minute after the shots then Mrs Robert Reid needs to get upstairs quick because she's the only one in the office when she sees Oswald exit after the Baker & Truly encounter...

That is exactly my point, that the woman in the Stanton album photo is labeled "Jeraldean Reid" yet she looks different than the Mrs Robert Reid sitting next to Leavelle...

Brian,

I was being sarcastic when I rhetorically asked you if the Cooper image was taken one minute after the assassination. It's much more likely that it was taken an hour or two after it, wouldn't you agree?

She does not look different, imho. She's simply been photographed from different angles and in different moods, and it even looks as though she has her jaw intentionally dropped a little in your color photo from 1967.

It seems to me that Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean/Geraldine Reid -- the woman in Wiegman, sitting with Leavelle, in Cooper, and in your color photo) had plenty of time to get up to her second-floor office and have her encounter with Oswald at 12:34, or so.

After all, as we can see in Wiegman, she was standing in the street directly in front of the building's entrance when JFK was mortally wounded.

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 17, 2019, 07:25:31 AM
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Mark OBlazney:

John Iacoletti:

Still ignoring us?  You've missed so much, Brian.  Tis' a pity........
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Gary Craig on September 17, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
Leavelle
REPORT ON OFFICER"S DUTIES IN REGARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT"S MURDER
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towards the bottom of this page he says he took an affidavit from TSBD employee Mrs. R. A. Reid on Saturday
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Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 17, 2019, 04:56:03 PM

Kamp wrote:

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Isn't it amazing how Doyle gets a pic of Reid from that era from the Stanton family, yet doesn't produce a shot of Stanton from that same time period?

One were inclined to think that he holds this back as it would utterly destroy his dreadful pet theory of PW.

Here is she again and pretty much confirming it is her, and it also nullifies both ladies in the B&W shots in front of the TSBD and inside Room 317 as they are different people, yes the coats are different and so are the two women.

I don't know what Kamp is talking about because I was the one who posted the only known photo of Sarah Stanton that came from the family...Kamp knows this so it is kind of weird that he accuses me of not doing it...Parr for the course with Kamp who is very loose and free with facts...

Actually the photo I got of Sarah helped us establish her obese features that are seen on Prayer Man in Darnell that Kamp is in juvenile denial of...

In his usual mixed-up incoherent style I think Kamp is saying the two Mrs Robert Reid's, the one on the sidewalk and the one in the police station, are different people because of their coats...But I have already shown evidence to prove they are the same person in their identical pocketbook straps, eyeglasses, and faces...Kamp is quite foolish because he fails to answer the obvious...If Leavelle interviewed Mrs Robert Reid, and that lady is the same woman seen on the sidewalk next to all the Depository personnel who said they were with her, then that has to be Mrs Robert Reid...Kamp is quite analysis-challenged...Who else could it be since Leavelle is obviously proofreading the statement he took from her back to her...

As far as Groden I'm having difficulty reconciling his saying the woman was 80 years old yet saying the Stanton album photo was that woman...The Jeraldean Reid in the Stanton Depository album photo is obviously about 58 - the same age as Jeraldean Reid...Something doesn't compute there...

Kamp is obviously uncredible but James Gordon has fast-tracked him in to preferred poster status on the Education Forum...Once you ban a person for their correct evidence you're done as far as credibility...






Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 17, 2019, 05:31:05 PM
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But I have already shown evidence to prove they are the same person in their identical pocketbook straps, eyeglasses, and faces...

You haven't shown anything.  You still can't even figure out how to post photos.  All you've done is claim that they have "identical pocketbook straps, eyeglasses, and faces".  But you've done nothing to even show that either person is named "Reid".

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Kamp is quite foolish because he fails to answer the obvious...If Leavelle interviewed Mrs Robert Reid, and that lady is the same woman seen on the sidewalk next to all the Depository personnel who said they were with her, then that has to be Mrs Robert Reid...Kamp is quite analysis-challenged...Who else could it be since Leavelle is obviously proofreading the statement he took from her back to her...

Pure fabrication.  You have no idea what Leavelle is reading.

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As far as Groden I'm having difficulty reconciling his saying the woman was 80 years old yet saying the Stanton album photo was that woman...The Jeraldean Reid in the Stanton Depository album photo is obviously about 58 - the same age as Jeraldean Reid...Something doesn't compute there...

It doesn't compute because it's hogwash.  Groden says in Absolute Proof (2013) that he recently received word and confirmation of her passing.  Jeraldean Reid died in 1973.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 17, 2019, 09:16:31 PM

Groden wrote:

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Quite a few years ago, I was given a lead about a key witness who was employed in the Texas School Book Depository. Her name was Geraldine Reid, and her interview conditions included no taping of her story and no revealing the story while she was alive. I recently received word and confirmation of her passing. At the time I did the interview, the witness appeared to be in her late seventies to early eighties. The interview took place near Fort Worth. She is mentioned only once in the Warren volumes, but was perhaps the single most important witness in the Kennedy case....

Geraldine Reid

The Warren Commission spoke to a Depository employee witness who they simply refer to as "Mrs. Robert Reid," failing to refer to her real first name, which was Delores. She was standing in front of the Book Depository as the motorcade drove by.

However, there was a second Mrs. Reid who worked on the second floor of the Book Depository. Her name was Geraldine Reid. The Warren Commission avoided mentioning this Mrs. Reid like the plague. She was flown to Washington and interrogated by the Commission. Her testimony was so devastating to their preconceived conclusion of Oswald's guilt that they buried all references to her. She said, "I was threatened to keep my mouth shut, or else."

Anyone reading the testimony of "Mrs. Robert Reid" would naturally assume that there had been only one 'Mrs. Reid'. In fact there were two: Mrs. Robert Reid (Delores) and Mrs. Geraldine Reid. Here, for the first time, is Geraldine Reid's story:

About one minute before the fatal shots were fired at the motorcade, Lee Oswald walked into the office across the second floor hallway from the snack room where he had been eating his lunch. He wanted to buy a bottle of soda and did not have the required change for the machine. He walked up to Geraldine Reid at her desk and handed her a dollar bill and asked her for change.

"Mr. Oswald didn't like pennies. I remember that," she recalled. "As I was counting out the change, I heard what I later learned were gunshots. Mr. Oswald and I looked at each other quizzically for a moment, but neither of us said anything about the sounds. I did not know that they were shots at the time. I gave Mr. Oswald the change and he turned and walked back into the hallway toward the snack room. That's the last time I saw him until he passed by me a few minutes later as he was leaving the building."

Approximately seventy-two seconds after the shots ended and Oswald had returned to the snack room to buy a soda from the machine, Officer Marrion Baker and Oswald's boss, Roy Truly, confronted him in the snack room. Truly told Baker that it was alright and that Oswald, in fact, worked for him. At that time, Truly mentioned to Lee that President Kennedy had been shot. Oswald seemed genuinely surprised. Baker and Truly then left the lunchroom and headed upstairs to investigate further. In the meantime, someone had informed Geraldine Reid about the assassination.

Geraldine Reid's final encounter with Lee Oswald occurred a few minutes later. "The last time I saw Mr. Oswald, he was leaving the building," Reid stated. "As he passed me by, I noticed that he had his jacket slung over his arm. I told him that the President had just been shot and he simply said 'Oh?' or something like that, and kept on walking out of the office to go downstairs and, I assume, out of the building."

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Groden also spoke with a corroborating witness, an ONI investigator, who confirmed that she had been interviewed by the Warren Commission and who "saw suppressed documents on her."
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 17, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
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Groden wrote:

Brian,

Why in the world would anyone trust what Robert Groden says?

During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert witness and testified that a 1993 photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes at an NFL football game was a forgery. Even after 30 additional photos by a different photographer captured on the same day of Simpson wearing the same clothes and shoes surfaced, Groden still maintained that the original photograph was a forgery.[8] Lacking certifications from professional organizations, Groden admitted his photography training relied on his experience as a professional photo lab technician.[9]

Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for Gerald Posner's book Case Closed in which Groden was featured along with other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment and dismissed the case.[10]

Groden has stated that his next book, JFK: Absolute Proof, documents his interview with a Dealey Plaza witness who was standing with Lee Harvey Oswald on the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository when they both heard shots being fired outside.[11][12]


--  Wikipedia


--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Frederick Clements on September 18, 2019, 09:19:30 AM
Groden seems to be pulling a fast one. Amazing how gullible people can be.

Fred
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 18, 2019, 04:07:35 PM

Interesting that the woman on the sidewalk is "Delores"...

I'd like to believe there is something to this because otherwise it is a huge crock where Groden is fabricating the ONI Deep Throat...Or the Deep Throat is real and it is part of an Intel campaign to destroy the credibility of real inside sources for Oswald's being in the second floor lunch room like Carolyn Arnold...

I'm still of the persuasion that there's the possibility there was a damage control program where Jeraldean being inside in the offices was countered by this official "Mrs Robert Reid" being planted on the sidewalk in order to big-foot her identity...To me Mrs Robert Reid appears to be a different person than the woman in Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album picture...

However admittedly, there's a serious disconnect between Groden saying the lady he interviewed was 80 while at the same time telling me the person in the photo was the person he interviewed...If Stanton's photo album Jeraldean Reid was 55 in that picture when it was taken in 1967 then when Groden interviewed her in 1970 she was 58 and couldn't have appeared to be 80...Hmmm...

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 18, 2019, 06:46:18 PM
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Interesting that the woman on the sidewalk is "Delores"...

I'd like to believe there is something to this because otherwise it is a huge crock where Groden is fabricating the ONI Deep Throat...Or the Deep Throat is real and it is part of an Intel campaign to destroy the credibility of real inside sources for Oswald's being in the second floor lunch room like Carolyn Arnold...

I'm still of the persuasion that there's the possibility there was a damage control program where Jeraldean being inside in the offices was countered by this official "Mrs Robert Reid" being planted on the sidewalk in order to big-foot her identity...To me Mrs Robert Reid appears to be a different person than the woman in Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album picture...

However admittedly, there's a serious disconnect between Groden saying the lady he interviewed was 80 while at the same time telling me the person in the photo was the person he interviewed...If Stanton's photo album Jeraldean Reid was 55 in that picture when it was taken in 1967 then when Groden interviewed her in 1970 she was 58 and couldn't have appeared to be 80...Hmmm...
"of the persuasion' ????? is that all you got?  oh, please.  go play in traffic with ralph cinque, mssr. doyle.......
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 18, 2019, 08:32:47 PM
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Interesting that the woman on the sidewalk is "Delores"...

I'd like to believe there is something to this because otherwise it is a huge crock where Groden is fabricating the ONI Deep Throat...Or the Deep Throat is real and it is part of an Intel campaign to destroy the credibility of real inside sources for Oswald's being in the second floor lunch room like Carolyn Arnold...

I'm still of the persuasion that there's the possibility there was a damage control program where Jeraldean being inside in the offices was countered by this official "Mrs Robert Reid" being planted on the sidewalk in order to big-foot her identity...To me Mrs Robert Reid appears to be a different person than the woman in Sarah Stanton's Depository photo album picture...

However admittedly, there's a serious disconnect between Groden saying the lady he interviewed was 80 while at the same time telling me the person in the photo was the person he interviewed...If Stanton's photo album Jeraldean Reid was 55 in that picture when it was taken in 1967 then when Groden interviewed her in 1970 she was 58 and couldn't have appeared to be 80...Hmmm...

Brian,

Who the heck said the woman on the sidewalk (in Wiegman?, in Cooper?) is "Delores"?

LOL

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 18, 2019, 09:28:05 PM
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The Warren Commission spoke to a Depository employee witness who they simply refer to as "Mrs. Robert Reid," failing to refer to her real first name, which was Delores. She was standing in front of the Book Depository as the motorcade drove by.

In my experience a lot of good evidence goes uninvestigated in Kennedy assassination research because of the schmoozing assurances of some presumptuous people who think their word is good enough and dismiss too quickly...

In one of the sidewalk photos Mrs Robert Reid appears to be walking away from the Depository and not back in to it...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 18, 2019, 09:35:42 PM
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In my experience a lot of good evidence goes uninvestigated in Kennedy assassination research because of the schmoozing assurances of some presumptuous people who think their word is good enough and dismiss too quickly...

In one of the sidewalk photos Mrs Robert Reid appears to be walking away from the Depository and not back in to it...

Brian,

You're so totally confused it's hilarious.

Who wrote the "quote" you "quoted":  The Warren Commission spoke to a Depository employee witness who they simply refer to as "Mrs. Robert Reid," failing to refer to her real first name, which was Delores. She was standing in front of the Book Depository as the motorcade drove by.  Your boy, Groden?

Who the heck ever said the woman standing next to pregnant Carolyn Arnold Cooper (about two hours after the assassination) was walking back into the TSBD?

Was there more than on Mrs. Robert Reid working in the TSBD?  (Answer: NO)

LOL

--  MWT   ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 18, 2019, 09:39:27 PM
 I don't know what you're trying to get out of those questions?...I'm not confused...I made clear points and you returned with your usual oblique regressiveness...

I believe the timing of that shot is at a time when Mrs Reid would have to be up in the 2nd floor office corral being detained by the Dallas Police...

The quote was from Groden's book...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 18, 2019, 09:52:57 PM
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I believe the timing of that shot is at a time when Mrs Reid would have to be up in the 2nd floor office corral being detained by the Dallas Police...

The quote was from Groden's book...

Brian,

1)  You can't conceive of the possibility that Cooper shot that image after Mrs Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean/Geraldine Reid), and Carolyn Arnold, and Vicki Adams, and Virgie Rackley Baker, et. al., had been let go by the police?

Where should those other people in the photo have been at the time?  Do they look as though the assassination occurred three minutes earlier, or does it look as though they're going home?

2)  From Groden's book, eh?

LOL!

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 18, 2019, 11:55:29 PM

I'm pretty sure the timing was a few minutes after the shots...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 12:02:47 AM
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I'm pretty sure the timing was a few minutes after the shots...

Based on what?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 19, 2019, 12:33:06 AM
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Jeraldean Bray Reid died 1973 so no way Groden's witness.
Possibly 'Geraldine Reid/Reed' was also spellt Jeraldean (with meaning that Groden got spelling wrong). Or possibly Sarah Stanton got spelling of first name wrong because of confusion caused by authorities identity-switching.

I've already said this several pages back, and Brian Doyle denied it saying I was a "sloppy researcher" lol.  It's clear Brian only reads unfounded claims from a known scam artist which he believes to be true calling that "good research".
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 19, 2019, 12:39:00 AM
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No because I have been blocked from the people showing it and their Facebook pages for the crime of correctly proving Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

Sorry Brian, you haven't proved anything of the sort. A highly distorted photo is not "proof" of it being Sarah Stanton  Even the distorted photo looks nothing like Sarah Stanton. You've made up this whole fantasy in your mind and you're still determined to see it through even when you were proven wrong.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 19, 2019, 12:54:17 AM
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Rick Plant is a very reckless sloppy researcher.

No Brian, the "The Most Sloppiest Researcher Award" goes to you for taking what Groden says at face value without doing any research to see if his claims are in fact accurate. In your reckless research, you didn't even bother to confirm if what he says is true. You just believe whatever this man says while adding your own fabrications. This is what you call reckless research. 

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To wit:  Groden told me that was the woman he interviewed and thanked me profusely for being the first person to ever produce a photo of her...If you bother to read the threads being cited we have isolated 2 distinctly separate Mrs Reid's in the photography that you have failed to credibly address...

So, you confirm to the forum that you take the words of a scam artist at face value instead of researching what he says is true. This is called sloppy research and being gullible, not even bothering to take the time to do proper research to confirm his claims. if he was legitimate, he would have take a photo of her himself with indisputable documentation of his so called interview.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 19, 2019, 01:12:07 AM
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Groden struck me as someone who would not fabricate the Deep Throat contact...

LOL. That's the reason why you don't automatically take what people claim to be true. You have to research what they say and find out what they are claiming is actually true. You act like you're an authority on everything with an inflated attitude believing you're smarter and better than everybody else, when in fact you have no clue what you're even talking about. You take Groden's false claims and proclaim you've cracked the case. Next time, do some real fact checking before make these absurd claims.       


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Something's obviously wrong here...

Groden struck me as someone who would not fabricate the Deep Throat contact...

Plus we have what appears to be different people in Mrs Robert Reid and Jeraldean Reid...

Plus we know from Sarah Stanton and Carolyn Arnold that Oswald was around the 2nd floor lunch room at the time of the shots...

Why would Oswald be getting change for a Coke if Sarah Stanton saw him with a soda moments earlier?...

it's obvious you get your false claims from a scam artist named Groden, which is then how you arrived at your "prayer woman" being Stanton nonsense.   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 03:06:31 AM
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LOL. That's the reason why you don't [sic] automatically take what people claim to be true. You have to research what they say and find out what they are claiming is actually true. You act like you're an authority on everything with an inflated attitude believing you're smarter and better than everybody else, when in fact you have no clue what you're even talking about. You take Groden's false claims and proclaim you've cracked the case. Next time, do some real fact checking before make these absurd claims.       

It's obvious you get your false claims from a scam artist named Groden, which is then how you arrived at your "prayer woman" being Stanton nonsense.

No need to tie them together, Rick.

When you realize that a couple of years ago, Bob Prudhomme, Sandy Larsen and I spotted the backside of Gloria Calvery on a lower TSBD step about 25 seconds after the fatal head shot, and the fact that Frazier has said that a "Sarah" turned to him (and he to her) upon hearing a crying gal who had come up to the steps bellow out that the president had been shot, then you realize that "Prayer Person" could very well be Sarah Stanton, regardless of any uncomfortable-for-CTers implications that may arise out of that.

In other words, there's no reason to put Brian down totally.

LOL

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 19, 2019, 04:50:35 AM
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then you realize that "Prayer Person" could very well be Sarah Stanton
Still waiting for actual proof on that LOL


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No need to tie them together, Rick.

When you realize that a couple of years ago, Bob Prudhomme, Sandy Larsen and I spotted the backside of Gloria Calvery on a lower TSBD step about 25 seconds after the fatal head shot, and the fact that Frazier has said that a "Sarah" turned to him (and he to her) upon hearing a crying gal who had come up to the steps bellow out that the president had been shot, then you realize that "Prayer Person" could very well be Sarah Stanton, regardless of any uncomfortable-for-CTers implications that may arise out of that.

In other words, there's no reason to put Brian down totally.

LOL

--  MWT  ;)

is that where they stood and "looked at each other in shock for the longest time" or stood next to each other for a few minutes?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 05:13:25 AM
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Still waiting for actual proof on that LOL

Is that where they stood and "looked at each other in shock for the longest time" or stood next to each other for a few minutes?

Rick,

Proof on what?

Regardless, what's your definition of "for the longest time" in a dramatic and chaotic situation like the immediate aftermath of a president's assassination about 70 yards away from you ? 

Ditto "a few minutes," and who said that, if anybody?

What's your definition of "next to," and who said that, if anybody?  (Given the context of the way people are spread out -- or not -- on the TSBD steps, and the fact that no one is standing between Frazier and Prayer Person, I think it's fair to say that Frazier and Prayer Person were standing "next to" each other, don't you?)

--  MWT   ;)

PS  What are you getting at, if anything?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 19, 2019, 05:28:34 AM
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Rick,

Proof on what?

Regardless, what's your definition of "for the longest time" in a dramatic and chaotic situation like the immediate aftermath of a president's assassination about 70 yards away from you ? 

Ditto "a few minutes," and who said that, if anybody?

What's your definition of "next to," and who said that, if anybody?  (Given the context of the way people are spread out -- or not -- on the TSBD steps, and the fact that no one is standing between Frazier and Prayer Person, I think it's fair to say that Frazier and Prayer Person were standing "next to" each other, don't you?)

--  MWT   ;)

PS  What are you getting at, if anything?

Doyle's claim is that Frazier said "he stared at Stanton for the longest time" when he only said they stood there for a few minutes. It's more Doyle fabrications.  Also, there is no proof that figure is Stanton.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 07:23:27 AM
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Doyle's claim is that Frazier said "he stared at Stanton for the longest time" when he only said they stood there for a few minutes. It's more Doyle fabrications.  Also, there is no proof that figure is Stanton.

Rick,

Regarding Prayer Person, there's no proof that it's anyone else, either.  You got anyone in mind?  If so, can you prove it?

Why are you nit-picking "for the longest time" versus "for a few minutes"?

Haven't you ever been in a situation where a few minutes seemed like "the longest time"?

Regarding the circumstantial identification of Prayer Person as Sarah Stanton, let me ask you a question -- Where do you think big, tall, wide-hipped Gloria Calvery was standing in the Zapruder film?

Can you pick out anyone in Zapruder who could very well be big, tall, wide-hipped Gloria Calvery and her three work colleagues (probably standing shoulder-to-shoulder) on the north side of Elm Street, "about halfway between Houston Street and the Triple Underpass"?

Sandy Larsen and I did a couple of years ago at the EF, and if you look carefully at some good frames from Couch-Darnell, you can see the same woman he and I picked out in the Zapruder film, standing on a lower TSBD step and talking to a bald-headed man who looks like Joe Molina or Billy Lovelady ...

You know the rest, right?  About how Frazier said a crying girl "came by" and bellowed out that the president had been shot?  Can you think of a better candidate for that crying girl than Gloria Calvery, who not only worked in the TSBD, but who had had a "front row seat" for the fatal head shot?

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 19, 2019, 04:53:42 PM

Frazier did say that after he and Sarah heard Calvery say the president has been shot and Sarah said "I think she said the president has been shot" he and Sarah "Stared at each other in shock for the longest time"...There was a poster on Bart's website who admitted that he deleted the video in which I saw that...They knew it was evidence Sarah was Prayer Man so they removed the information...The whole JFK research field is politically corrupted and dysfunctional...Of course those kind of uncredible cheaters and misleaders get the full endorsement of Jim DiEugenio...

I have proven Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man...The only reason we are still talking about it is because certain people think evidence discussion is an excuse for mind games and don't argue seriously or credibly...

I have Rick Plant on block because it is obvious he doesn't offer any credible discussion (in my opinion)...The Darnell film shows Frazier staring at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
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Frazier did say that after he and Sarah heard Calvery say the president has been shot and Sarah said "I think she said the president has been shot" he and Sarah "Stared at each other in shock for the longest time"...There was a poster on Bart's website who admitted that he deleted the video in which I saw that...

Link please.

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I have Rick Plant on block because it is obvious he doesn't offer any credible discussion (in my opinion)...

That's what you do with everybody who points out your fallacies and falsehoods.  You might as well sit in a corner and mumble to yourself.

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The Darnell film shows Frazier staring at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...

Bull.  Their faces aren't even discernible.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
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Bull.  Their faces aren't even discernible.



He's right, Brian.

They're just blobs, and Iacoletti thinks the blob labeled "Frazier" might be a tall, pants-wearing woman with short hair!

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Are you permitted to say the name of the poster who deleted that video or whatever?

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 06:40:55 PM
If Doyle and Graves want them to be staring at each other then *poof*, they are staring at each other.  That's how they roll.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
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If Doyle and Graves want them to be staring at each other then *poof*, they are staring at each other.  That's how they roll.

Iacoletti,

Would you agree that they have their heads turned towards each other, or are they just blob-like for you to tell?

Do you think they were aware of each other's presence, or were they so distracted that they didn't even notice?

If they were aware of each other's presence, or if, at least, Frazier was was aware or Prayer Person's presence, why then didn't he say it was your hero Oswald instead of implying it was Sarah Stanton?

Was Frazier part of the 100-person cover up, too?

Do we ... gasp ... live in an evil, evil, evil Deep State?

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 07:04:19 PM
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Would you agree that they have their heads turned towards each other

No

Quote
Do you think they were aware of each other's presence, or were they so distracted that they didn't even notice?

No idea.

Quote
If they were aware of each other's presence, or if, at least, Frazier was was aware or Prayer Person's presence, why then didn't he say it was your hero Oswald instead of implying it was Sarah Stanton?

 ::)

Quote
Was Frazier part of the 100-person cover up, too?

Do we ... gasp ... live in an evil, evil, evil Deep State?


 ::) ::)

Tommy uses sarcasm and strawmen to cover up the fact that his entire argument is based solely on "duh....looks like it to me".
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 07:55:07 PM
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No idea.



Iacoletti,

Are either of them actually turned away from the other (as might be expected if they weren't talking with each other, or if one of them wanted to be rude to the other while the other was talking to him or her, or if neither of them were talking to the other and they were both kinda "lost in their own thoughts")?

Or are they way the heck too "blob-like" for you to tell which directions their bodies and heads are (generally) turned?

Do you see a shift in either of their stances (vis-a-vis each other) between Wiegman and Couch-Darnell?

Too "blob-like" to say?

--  MWT   ???
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 08:53:21 PM
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So many cul de sac questions you ask with no answer in sight. As an exercise in academia, why not try answering your own questions you raise yourself? As stated earlier, your posts are a cul de sac and never any room to turn around. Why is this? You raise more questions than you answer and the questions you proffer are always unanswerable. This is the litmus test that tells the reader that you are not serious in obtaining an answer for your unanswerable questions. Do you know the answers to what you ask? If not then why would anyone else know the answers to those questions you ask? Could it be because your questions that you ask are knowingly unanswerable and you know this?  Hopefully some of this will sink in. Why do you play this game? Are you bored? Why are you here?

Bettina,

I claim that Gloria Calvery is standing on a lower TSBD step (with her back to the camera), talking with a bald-headed man there (probably Billy Lovelady or Joe Molina) in Couch-Darnell, and that Prayer Person and Frazier are sufficiently turned towards each other in that same "clip" as to be talking with each other.

Is that clear enough for you?

--  Mudd Wrassler Tommy   ;)


Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 19, 2019, 09:02:35 PM
Prayer Man turns from facing forward in Wiegman to pivoting and turning towards Frazier exactly as Frazier described Sarah Stanton as doing and at the exact time he described it...Sarah is turning towards Frazier to discuss what Gloria Calvery shouted on the way to the steps...In Darnell Frazier and Stanton are in the process of "staring at each other for the longest time"...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 19, 2019, 10:26:30 PM

Jeff Stanton?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
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So many cul de sac questions you ask with no answer in sight. As an exercise in academia, why not try answering your own questions you raise yourself?

That’s the Graves Gallop. It’s his way to avoid ever having to justify his own claims with anything approaching actual evidence.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 10:30:22 PM
Must every thread end up being about Sarah Stanton? This is supposed to be about Jeraldean Reid.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 19, 2019, 10:41:55 PM
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Must every thread end up being about Sarah Stanton? This is supposed to be about Jeraldean Reid.

He says while not necessarily denying what I wrote in my last post...

 ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 11:14:41 PM
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Must every thread end up being about Sarah Stanton? This is supposed to be about Jeraldean Reid.

Iacoletti,

No, if you prefer we can talk about your "Glasses Woman" in Betzner-3 (Gloria Calvery), or how you think the three dress-and-(one) headscarf-wearing people on the Pergola Patio in the Towner film might be Bermuda shorts-wearing men.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 11:20:39 PM
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See? That wasn't so hard finding answers to your own questions now was it? As long as that is what you believe, then go for it and go with that as your theory. Listen when I say as a long time viewer and more recently, a member, it would be entirely refreshing to see more of this type of genuine effort from you going forward. Is that clear enough for you?

Bettina,

What the ... heck ... are you talking about?

Who do you think Prayer Person is?

Can you prove it?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 11:39:40 PM
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He says while not necessarily denying what I wrote in my last post...

 ;)

It’s fabricated BS, like everything else you post.

Did you find that link yet for the guy who “admitted” deleting your alleged Frazier video?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 11:41:57 PM
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No, if you prefer we can talk about your "Glasses Woman" in Betzner-3 (Gloria Calvery), or how you think the three dress-and-(one) headscarf-wearing people on the Pergola Patio in the Towner film might be Bermuda shorts-wearing men.

What I would prefer is for you to take your phony accusations and stuff them where the sun don’t shine.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 11:43:05 PM
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Bettina,

What the ... heck ... are you talking about?

Who do you think Prayer Person is?

Can you prove it?

Says the guy who has never proven a damn thing.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 11:47:11 PM
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That’s the Graves Gallop. It’s his way to avoid ever having to justify his own claims with anything approaching actual evidence.

Iacoletti,

Do you lend any credence to the validity of "a preponderance of circumstantial evidence"?

People have been convicted of murder on "nothing" but a preponderance of circumstantial evidence.

What kind of evidence do you require?

Notarized statements in triplicate (plus the "carbons")?  DNA tests?  Fifteen close-up films and photographs of the subject (i.e., a person of interest) from different angles?

In the case of the suspect, a confession (after having been treated by the police to a 31 Flavors banana-split sundae, with yummy yummy chocolate all over it)?

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 19, 2019, 11:53:30 PM
 :D

Like you’ve ever presented "a preponderance of circumstantial evidence" about anything ever.

All you do is do your little Graves Gallop of questions and make up phony claims about what other people say.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 19, 2019, 11:57:56 PM
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Your post above warrants and proves that you exemplify the reasons for this next post by me to you  below. I for one, can take no more of your inane silliness.

Listen, one of the reasons that I even joined this forum is so that I could utilize and take full advantage of the blocking feature that in the past, I had so desperately wished I had had at my disposal while being forced to wade through your endless Russia conspiracy posts. You sir, shall be the very first to be christened on my now newly available forum user blocking feature. Now, once that is done, one will be able to read in peace and quiet and actually think for a change in this forum without having to endure your incessant carping about Russia non stop. Is that clear enough for you? BuhBye.(*poof*)

Jeff I mean Bettina,

Can you see how Prayer Person and Frazier have turned towards each other a little bit between Wiegman and Couch-Darnell?

Yes or no?

Can't say -- all you can see are blobs?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 12:03:58 AM
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:D

Like you’ve ever presented "a preponderance of circumstantial evidence" about anything ever.

All you do is do your little Graves Gallop of questions and make up phony claims about what other people say.

Well, it would help if you wouldn't go so over thee top in your Ritualistic Onanism Practices in the garden every night with the guys -- you'd be able to see better, and you might even be able to differentiate dress-and-raincoat-wearing women from Bermuda shorts-wearing men (one of whom has a blue headscarf covering "his" hair).

That sort of thing.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 20, 2019, 12:04:36 AM
Prayerblob is to the right and behind Frazierblob. If Frazierblob was facing prayerblob, you would be looking at the back of Frazierblob’s head. Is that what you’re pretending to see now?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 20, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
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Well, it would help if you wouldn't so overdo your Ritualistic Onanism practices in the garden every night with the guys -- you'd be able to see better, and you might even be able to differentiate dress-and-raincoat-wearing women from Bermuda shorts-wearing men (one of whom has a blue headsarf covering "his" hair).

If you did anything other than making up ridiculous crap, you might be worth engaging with.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 12:10:58 AM
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If you did anything other than making up ridiculous crap, you might be worth engaging with.

Iacoletti,

"Ridiculous crap," like not only are the three people on the Pergola Patio in Towner ... gasp ... women, but that they are the same women who were standing by the Stemmons sign in Zapruder?

That sort of "crap"?

--  MWT   ;)

PS  If you were to delete the vote of my spiteful nemesis, "Mike" Clark from your poll results, the tally would be 7 "Yes, they are the same women," 2 "No, they are not the same women," and 1 "IDK, and I don't want to commit myself."

LOL
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 12:18:41 AM
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Jeff Stanton?...

Yep.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Same syntax, grammar, vocabulary, and same oh-so-sophisticated stinkin' attitude.

--  MWT   :)

PS  Either him, or Kamp, or Clark's and Jumbo Duh's tag-team partner at the E.F. (until I was booted and she was no longer needed) -- "Paz Marverde".
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 20, 2019, 01:50:26 AM
Edited.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 20, 2019, 01:54:55 AM
I forgot that I had a much better copy. Anyway, this is the lady compared with Ruby's sister.
https://postimg.cc/5QLWLcNt
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 01:59:52 AM
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Could this be Ms Reid with Bill Alexander?

https://postimg.cc/rRmtwJ8g

Sure looks like the same woman, Denis.

Same bangs.

Apparently the same glasses.

Same face.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 20, 2019, 02:03:05 AM
The caption made by the University of Texas says Nov 22, but some of their other photos have a wrong date.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 20, 2019, 03:20:22 AM
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You too. I wouldn't normally even even make time to respond to you since you are not credible. But having been a silent reader for years, and now a full fledged member here, I feel I must inform you that you go in the same dirty hamper bin as that Thomas Graves.

Blocked.

I think this is Jeff Stanton with that same old tired "I've been lurking for many years" business...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 04:41:00 AM
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I think this is Jeff Stanton with that same old tired "I've been lurking for many years" business...

The stilted language reeks of him.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 20, 2019, 04:55:35 AM
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PS  If you were to delete the vote of my spiteful nemesis, "Mike" Clark from your poll results, the tally would be 7 "Yes, they are the same women," 2 "No, they are not the same women," and 1 "IDK, and I don't want to commit myself."

Who isn’t your nemesis?

More made up crap. How would you know who the votes are from? Have you forgotten the Facebook poll on Denis’s group was 10 to 5 against you?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 05:36:41 AM
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Who isn’t your nemesis?

How would you know who the votes are from?


Iacoletti,

Because I noticed new member "Mike" Clark was monitoring that thread, I recognized the name from the EF, I accused him of voting against me (and ... gasp ... Doyle) out of spite (aka hatred) towards me, and he quickly changed his name on the forum from "Mike Clark" to "Michael Clark" (I guess he deleted his "Mike" account and re-registered as "Michael").

He and I have a "history" that goes back a couple of years at the EF, and there's no doubt in my mind that he voted the way I'm saying he did because he will-we, will-we, will-we hates my "fascist/CIA" guts.  In fact, he probably joined this forum originally just to vote in your "poll".

Regardless, are you satisfied with 7.5 to 3.5?

LOL

--  MWT   ;)

PS  I figure the three were you, Scully (you carpool together or something?), and "Mike" ...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 20, 2019, 07:29:01 AM
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Could this be Ms Reid with Bill Alexander?

https://postimg.cc/rRmtwJ8g

Denis,

I believe this is the same woman (Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean /Geraldine Reid) whom Wiegman and Cooper "captured" on Friday, and some unknown photographer "captured" on the sofa with Leavelle on Saturday, but I'm at a loss to explain how she could be wearing two different coats on Friday. 

That is a coat she's wearing, isn't it?

--  MWT   ;)

PS  What does Bill Alexander say he did that day?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 20, 2019, 09:18:49 AM
Good question, Thomas. I’ll take a look.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 20, 2019, 01:33:44 PM
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I think this is Jeff Stanton with that same old tired "I've been lurking for many years" business...

And I think Brian is some guy named Buster Hayes
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 20, 2019, 02:19:23 PM
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Regardless, are you satisfied with 7.5 to 3.5?

Are you satisfied with 10 to 5 the other way? Note that the question in the poll wasn’t “do you agree with Tommy’s opinion”. It was “has Tommy proven that his opinion is correct”.

I honestly don’t care about opinion polls. The reason I did those is because Doyle fabricated a claim that I was the only one who disagreed with him. Opinions are like a****les. What I care about is what evidence there is to support them.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 20, 2019, 03:03:03 PM
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Sure looks like the same woman, Denis.

Same bangs.

Apparently the same glasses.

Same face.

--  MWT   ;)

I don't know where you are trying to go with this...The woman on the sidewalk in front of the Depository is the same woman next to Leavelle because the thin pocketbook strap is identical and what you can see of the pocketbook body looks alike too...

I don't think that checkered pattern coat is the same coat the woman with Leavelle is wearing...

This sidewalk/Leavelle woman appears to me to be a different woman than the one in Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...Which means with all its admitted problems Groden's claim is still alive...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 20, 2019, 03:46:59 PM

I just added Bettina to my ignore list...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 20, 2019, 05:04:37 PM
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This sidewalk/Leavelle woman appears to me to be a different woman than the one in Sarah Stanton's Depository employee photo album...Which means with all its admitted problems Groden's claim is still alive...

Except there is ZERO evidence that the woman on the sidewalk in Cooper, or the woman sitting next to Leavelle on Sunday, or the woman standing next to Alexander is named “Reid”. None whatsoever.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 20, 2019, 05:20:32 PM
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Brian Doyle 7 years ago at Deep Politics Forum said this:

"When pressed to show actual evidence Ralph goes into long descriptions of crazy talk only he himself believes. Nothing he points out as clear proof is either there or visible and is always the product of Ralph's mind as he talks himself into believing it is there."

FFWD to today and replace Ralph Cinque's name with Brian Doyle's name, and well, you get a perfect scientific forensic match, and a perfect forensic linguistic match too!  :D

I see you're "getting" this, Bettina.  Don't you just hate being ignored?   You should hear what Mssr. Doyle has to say about Mary Pinchot Meyer.  He thinks he knows it all.  But what do I know?  I'm just a nobody, tryin' ta' be somebody some day.  Tempus Fugit+
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 20, 2019, 10:14:33 PM
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Rick,

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Regarding Prayer Person, there's no proof that it's anyone else, either.  You got anyone in mind?  If so, can you prove it?

I'm not claiming with absolute proof to know who the prayer person is. 

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Why are you nit-picking "for the longest time" versus "for a few minutes"?

A few minutes versus "the longest time" makes all the difference in the world, especially for someone trying to claim the prayer figure is Stanton. 


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Haven't you ever been in a situation where a few minutes seemed like "the longest time"?

The point is that quote by Frazier was never said.   

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Can you pick out anyone in Zapruder who could very well be big, tall, wide-hipped Gloria Calvery and her three work colleagues (probably standing shoulder-to-shoulder) on the north side of Elm Street, "about halfway between Houston Street and the Triple Underpass"?

Sandy Larsen and I did a couple of years ago at the EF, and if you look carefully at some good frames from Couch-Darnell, you can see the same woman he and I picked out in the Zapruder film, standing on a lower TSBD step and talking to a bald-headed man who looks like Joe Molina or Billy Lovelady ...

You know the rest, right?  About how Frazier said a crying girl "came by" and bellowed out that the president had been shot?  Can you think of a better candidate for that crying girl than Gloria Calvery, who not only worked in the TSBD, but who had had a "front row seat" for the fatal head shot?

--  MWT   ;)

The point is that the prayer figure is not Stanton. The shape of the figure plus the clothes does not match.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 20, 2019, 10:23:17 PM
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Frazier did say that after he and Sarah heard Calvery say the president has been shot and Sarah said "I think she said the president has been shot" he and Sarah "Stared at each other in shock for the longest time"...There was a poster on Bart's website who admitted that he deleted the video in which I saw that...They knew it was evidence Sarah was Prayer Man so they removed the information...The whole JFK research field is politically corrupted and dysfunctional...Of course those kind of uncredible cheaters and misleaders get the full endorsement of Jim DiEugenio...

That quote by Frazier was never said, you are making it up. Pathetic that you use an excuse that "someone deleted your video" for why you are unable to cite this as evidence since you should already have this video saved on your computer ready to post again. 

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I have proven Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man...The only reason we are still talking about it is because certain people think evidence discussion is an excuse for mind games and don't argue seriously or credibly...

Only in your own mind do you think you have proven this bogus claim.


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I have Rick Plant on block because it is obvious he doesn't offer any credible discussion (in my opinion)...The Darnell film shows Frazier staring at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...

Of course you do, so won't have to answer for your false claims you make. Stanton is not the prayer figure since Stanton never even mentioned standing next to Frazier in her testimony to the FBI. The poster who is not credible is you.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 20, 2019, 11:08:17 PM
Doyle’s “forensic proof” that the two people walking up the Elm street extension are Lovelady and Shelley was mysterious deleted too. As was Chris Davidson’s image and “metadata” proving that prayerperson is a woman.

Doyle also forgot to record phone conversations with Stanton’s relatives saying that Sarah saw Oswald on the landing right outside the second floor lunch room at 12:18, and with Chris Calvery (born in 1977) identifying his mother in Zapruder.

Unluckiest “researcher” ever.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 01:31:36 AM
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Doyle’s “forensic proof” that the two people walking up the Elm street extension are Lovelady and Shelley was mysterious deleted too. As was Chris Davidson’s image and “metadata” proving that prayerperson is a woman.

Doyle also forgot to record phone conversations with Stanton’s relatives saying that Sarah saw Oswald on the landing right outside the second floor lunch room at 12:18, and with Chris Calvery (born in 1977) identifying his mother in Zapruder.

Unluckiest “researcher” ever.

Iacoletti,

You seem to be insinuating that Brian Doyle is a liar regarding the four things you mentioned.

Is that what you meant to do?

Am I just imaging that?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 01:38:09 AM
Thomas, I asked Linda Z about the photo of the lady with B. Alexander. Linda thinks it is Reid. She added that the lady with Leavelle is her as well that it is the same coat that she is wearing in the Leavelle photo. She explained the coat does not look blurry in that film because the quality of the film is not good enough.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 01:46:27 AM
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Thomas, I asked Linda Z about the photo of the lady with B. Alexander. Linda thinks it is Reid. She added that the lady with Leavelle is her as well that it is the same coat that she is wearing in the Leavelle photo. She explained the coat does not look blurry in that film because the quality of the film is not good enough.

Denis,

I'm confused.

Bottom line, in which of the following photographic images does Linda believe we can see Reid?

1)  Wiegman (standing in the street during the assassination)

2)  Cooper (on the corner about an hour after the assassination)

3)  Wearing checked coat with Alexander on 11/22

4)  Wearing non-checked coat while sitting on sofa with Leavelle on 11/23

All four?

--  MWT  ;)

What is the same coat as she is wearing in the Leavelle photo?

You can't tell me that the coat she's wearing with Leavelle is the same one she's wearing with Alexander ...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 01:50:27 AM
All four. She thinks the coat in the film showing the lady with Leavelle is also plaid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 02:04:52 AM
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All four. She thinks the coat in the film showing the lady with Leavelle is also plaid.

Denis,

I stand corrected.  I zoomed in on her coat in a Leavelle frame and could see the checks on her arm near her wrist.

Wow!

Great "catch" by Linda Giovanni-Zambanini!

Thanks for the feedback, Denis.

Iacoletti will be upset.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 05:13:01 AM
My first thought was you could never hide that checkered pattern but if you look at the button and lapel the big black button appears to be the same and in the same place...

If that is the same person it is provably Mrs Robert Reid because the pocketbook strap of the woman on the sidewalk matches the pocketbook strap of the woman next to Leavelle identically...If it is the same woman in all 3 images this is a major coup in favor of Groden because the image with Alexander is definitely not the same woman who was in Stanton's photo album...

Denis, I appreciate your stealing my photo that I got from my good research talent and then freezing me out of the conversation...I appreciate the insult...Apparently Linda resents admitting she was wrong on Prayer Man to the point of being too shy to post...Because of this weird Prayer Man cult and the childish grudges they hold it took 15 months to do what could have been done right away if the people involved were not so dysfunctional...   

All of them look the same Thomas??? You were saying?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 05:20:39 AM
To those who just read what was posted above, I did not steal his photo. He posted it in my group, and I used it to figure out who is who in the photos showing Reid or women who look like her. When he asked me to stop using it, I did even until this day.

I did ban him from discussions in MY group because he was abusive to me as some of us here can confirm. Just wanted to set the record straight. A few days ago, I went out of my way by letting him view whatever is posted in my group. I decided it would be better for him, for me and the other members to mute him so he does not resume his abuse on me and others. If Doyle tells you something negative about me, PM me and I will tell you the truth.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 21, 2019, 05:39:09 AM
It’s not his photo.

And why does Linda think any of them are named “Reid”?

Anyone?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 06:06:42 AM
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To those who just read what was posted above, I did not steal his photo. He posted it in my group, and I used it to figure out who is who in the photos showing Reid or women who look like her. When he asked me to stop using it, I did even until this day.

I did ban him from discussions in MY group because he was abusive to me as some of us here can confirm. Just wanted to set the record straight. A few days ago, I went out of my way by letting him view whatever is posted in my group. I decided it would be better for him, for me and the other members to mute him so he does not resume his abuse on me and others. If Doyle tells you something negative about me, PM me and I will tell you the truth.

That is a lie...I was not abusive...What I did was call out Denis on the way he was stockpiling some of the worst Bart Kamp cheerleader idiots on his website who were obviously uncredible dummies who posted against Denis's own findings...What it came down to was I protested that Iacoletti was lying and Denis demanded I retract that comment and apologize to Iacoletti...To put this in perspective, Denis was one of the sources that proved the 3 Women in Zapruder and Darnell were Simmons, Holt, and Jacob...Iacoletti is pretending he can't see the evidence we presented that proved it...I said that equates to lying and that the problem was Denis wasn't screening the members or their input adequately enough...Iacoletti harassed me on every post like he does here...I complained that it should not be allowed but instead of banning Iacoletti Denis got notorious Lone Nutter Jim Hess to come in and ban me... I respect Denis and his photo work...This thread is a good example...But with all due respect I think Denis's answer says enough...In my opinion it does not show good judgment to keep a person who pretends he doesn't see the evidence Denis helped prove by getting Holt's brother to confirm it was Gloria while banning a person who seriously advanced the evidence with what is probably the most important revelation in decades in the form of Sarah Stanton's relatives...What is happening here is exactly what I was complaining about in the first place...The Prayer Man cult is getting persons who intelligently defend themselves banned on false charges of abuse...Meanwhile the worst abuse you can do is ignore good evidence and censor its good source...If you are going to discriminate for god's sake do it against the violators and not the victims Denis...The problem here is Denis is taking posters like Jessica Shores and Avinash Machado seriously and asking people to respect them...No, my banning from Denis's site was because he failed to take due action against a certain obnoxious nay-sayer...When I called Denis out on it he labeled my protest "abuse" and took the ******** way out...I am the researcher who proved Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton...I should not have to beg for admission on JFK research sites...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 21, 2019, 06:20:04 AM
The guy with over 500 falsehoods and fabrications has a lot of gall calling other people liars for not buying his bogus arguments.

Case in point. Denis banned Doyle. Hess had nothing to do with it.

You want Denis to post some of your abusive messages? You do enough of them here. People know what you’re like.

Holt’s brother didn’t identify anybody in Zapruder. That’s just another Doyle falsehood.

You haven’t proven a damn thing, other than that you’re a narcissistic PITA with delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 06:21:27 AM
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Trying to ascertain clothing patterns and even prints and imagining musing [sic] about things in these black and white 2D photos again, are you?

Bettina(?),

"imagining musing" ?

What's that supposed to mean?

-- MWT  ;)

PS  Maybe you should chastize Linda Giovanni-Zambanini for having "mistakenly" detected a checked pattern on the coat the woman with Jim Revealle was wearing on Saturday, November 23 (which I can see now, too, btw)  ...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 06:33:28 AM
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That is a lie...I was not abusive...What I did was call out Denis on the way he was stockpiling some of the worst Bart Kamp cheerleader idiots on his website who were obviously uncredible dummies who posted against Denis's own findings...What it came down to was I protested that Iacoletti was lying and Denis demanded I retract that comment and apologize to Iacoletti...To put this in perspective, Denis was one of the sources that proved the 3 Women in Zapruder and Darnell were Simmons, Holt, and Jacob...Iacoletti is pretending he can't see the evidence we presented that proved it...I said that equates to lying and that the problem was Denis wasn't screening the members or their input adequately enough...Iacoletti harassed me on every post like he does here...I complained that it should not be allowed but instead of banning Iacoletti Denis got notorious Lone Nutter Jim Hess to come in and ban me... I respect Denis and his photo work...This thread is a good example...But with all due respect I think Denis's answer says enough...In my opinion it does not show good judgment to keep a person who pretends he doesn't see the evidence Denis helped prove by getting Holt's brother to confirm it was Gloria while banning a person who seriously advanced the evidence with what is probably the most important revelation in decades in the form of Sarah Stanton's relatives...What is happening here is exactly what I was complaining about in the first place...The Prayer Man cult is getting persons who intelligently defend themselves banned on false charges of abuse...Meanwhile the worst abuse you can do is ignore good evidence and censor its good source...If you are going to discriminate for god's sake do it against the violators and not the victims Denis...The problem here is Denis is taking posters like Jessica Shores and Avinash Machado seriously and asking people to respect them...No, my banning from Denis's site was because he failed to take due action against a certain obnoxious nay-sayer...When I called Denis out on it he labeled my protest "abuse" and took the ******** way out...I am the researcher who proved Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton...I should not have to beg for admission on JFK research sites...

Brian,

Unfortunately, I think you've just proved Denis' point.

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 06:59:31 AM
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Brian,

Unfortunately, I think you've just proved Denis' point.

-- MWT  ;)

Always a knife waiting to be put in your back by turns-against-you Thomas...

Good luck with your annoying useless post encouragement with your pal Iacoletti...

You know I'm right on this you ***...

So you are backing Iacoletti now on his denial of the 3 Women?...

You recognize and back Avinash and Jessica?...

Oh, I must have missed your answer to the Mrs Robert Reid next to Alexander appearing to be a different person Thomas...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
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Always a knife waiting to be put in your back by turns-against-you Thomas...

Good luck with your annoying useless post encouragement with your pal Iacoletti...

You know I'm right on this you ***...

So you are backing Iacoletti now on his denial of the 3 Women?...

You recognize and back Avinash and Jessica?...

Oh, I must have missed your answer to the Mrs Robert Reid next to Alexander appearing to be a different person Thomas...

Brian,

I'm just an open-minded and flexible alchemist, trying to turn lead into gold.

As we all are, CTers and LNers, alike.

Avinash?  Jessica?

Don't flatter yourself; I have no idea who you are talking about.

Regardless, shall I crush them up piece-by-piece with my mortar and pestle and add them to my bubbling cauldron?

-- MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 21, 2019, 10:56:51 AM
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Regarding Prayer Person, there's no proof that it's anyone else, either.

Well Thomas, the prayer figure has to be "someone" but it certainly isn't Stanton.

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Why are you nit-picking "for the longest time" versus "for a few minutes"?

Because a "few minutes" means something totally different than "for a long time".  Wouldn't you agree?

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Haven't you ever been in a situation where a few minutes seemed like "the longest time"?

Seems like you're trying to add credibility to Doyle's fake quote. Doyle is taking the testimony of Frazier and adding his own words to it for a stronger effect and trying to create a new event which is fraudulent. Frazier never spoke those words, yet Doyle keeps repeating it in every post he makes.








Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 21, 2019, 11:35:18 AM
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Frazier did say that after he and Sarah heard Calvery say the president has been shot and Sarah said "I think she said the president has been shot" he and Sarah "Stared at each other in shock for the longest time".

This is another phony made up claim by you, Doyle. Stanton never stared at Frazier, not even for one second. 

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I have proven Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man...The only reason we are still talking about it is because certain people think evidence discussion is an excuse for mind games and don't argue seriously or credibly.

Sorry Doyle, you haven't proven anything in regards to the prayer figure being Sarah Stanton. It is only a fantasy made up in your own mind. No, the reason we are still talking about it, is because you keep posting your same usual nonsense and false claims that the figure is Stanton every chance you get. It's clear that you have no credibility on the issue and you need to keep attacking others in defense of your phony myth.

The idea that you made this huge discovery of the prayer figure being Sarah Stanton is laughable and proves that you're not a serious researcher by not taking the time to research the basic facts. If you would have done the proper research, you would have seen how absurd your claim actually is. You believe the highly distorted figure is Stanton with the body turned towards Frazier staring at him in "shock". That is laughable being only a made up fantasy by you.

Right below, we have the official FBI testimony from Sarah Stanton on 11-23-63 and from a few months later in March. Nowhere in her testimony does Stanton ever state that she "stared at Frazier for the longest time in shock". In fact, she never even mentions Frazier's name at all. Nor does she ever state she stared at anybody on that day. If she did stare at Frazier,  that would have been burned in her mind as an event she wouldn't forget. She would have told the FBI of that account each time she spoke to them. Stanton stated everything else she did, but did not mention one thing about Frazier or staring at him. So, we can officially say that the figure is not Sarah Stanton since she stated nothing about Fraizer, the man Doyle claims she was staring at in "shock". We can also officially say that Sarah Stanton herself debunks Doyle's phony claim of her being "prayer woman".

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives)

Sarah Stanton affidavit: Sarah Stanton "she was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley…Mr. Otis Williams…Mrs. T.B. Saunders…and Billy Lovelady. I heard three shots after the President’s car passed the front of the building but I could not see the President’s car at that time. I cannot say positively where the shots came from. I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day.”


So, Sarah Stanton specifically stated in her official FBI testimony that she immediately went inside the building after she heard three explosions. She was trying to look out a window from inside to see what was happening. After that, she went to the restroom and returned to her desk. She wasn't outside on the steps staring at Frazier in 'shock' "for the longest time" like Doyle is trying to falsely claim. Right there in Stanton's own testimony, she is debunking Doyle's false claim of her being "prayer woman".

Since Stanton immediately went inside the building after she heard three explosions, that would give her no time to be outside staring at Frazier in 'shock' for a long time. This is the precise point I was making to Mr. Graves who was claiming I was "nit picking". This means that Stanton is not "prayer woman" since Stanton specifically stated she was inside trying to look out the window to see what was happening. She wasn't outside staring at Frazier in 'shock' because she would have stated that in her testimony. Stanton can't be in two places at once, and her official testimony places her going immediately inside the building looking out a window. So, in Sarah Stanton's own testimony she debunks Doyle's false and absurd claim.

Also, if you cared to notice, here are the witnesses Stanton said that was next to and near her: William Shelley, Otis Williams, T.B. Saunders, and Bill Lovelady. Nowhere in Stanton's testimony does she ever mention the name of Buell Fraizer. If she was staring at him in 'shock' for a long time, his name would have been the first person she mentioned. Stanton never mentioned Frazier's name at all standing next to, near her, or staring at her. Frazier's name is never mentioned in Stanton's testimony nor does she ever say she stared in 'shock' at any person at anytime. Stanton testified to immediately going inside the building and looking out a window. This proves that Sarah Stanton is not the prayer figure and Doyle's claim is false.

Stanton immediately went inside the building after the three explosions, therefore she was not outside for a long time staring at Frazier in 'shock'. Stanton was inside trying to look out a window, and then went to the restroom, and then sat at her desk. Stanton also said she could not see the President's car and had no idea what was going on, which is why she was looking out the window from inside. This official FBI testimony from Sarah Stanton herself debunks Doyle's phony claim of "Sarah Stanton being prayer woman". We can finally put to rest Doyle's bogus claim since it has been debunked by Stanton herself. Now Doyle can look for somebody else who he believes he sees in the highly distorted photo

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I have Rick Plant on block because it is obvious he doesn't offer any credible discussion (in my opinion)...The Darnell film shows Frazier staring at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip.

That's too bad, since I won't be able to see what lame excuse you would come up with for your now debunked "Stanton as prayer woman" claim. Now you won't be able to read that your fake claim has been debunked by Sarah Stanton herself.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Ray Mitcham on September 21, 2019, 12:01:35 PM
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This is another phony made up claim by you, Doyle. Stanton never stared at Frazier, not even for one second. 

Sorry Doyle, you haven't proven anything in regards to the prayer figure being Sarah Stanton. It is only a fantasy made up in your own mind. No, the reason we are still talking about it, is because you keep posting your same usual nonsense and false claims that the figure is Stanton every chance you get. It's clear that you have no credibility on the issue and you need to keep attacking others in defense of your phony myth.

The idea that you made this huge discovery of the prayer figure being Sarah Stanton is laughable and proves that you're not a serious researcher by not taking the time to research the basic facts. If you would have done the proper research, you would have seen how absurd your claim actually is. You believe the highly distorted figure is Stanton with the body turned towards Frazier staring at him in "shock". That is laughable being only a made up fantasy by you.

Right below, we have the official FBI testimony from Sarah Stanton on 11-23-63 and from a few months later in March. Nowhere in her testimony does Stanton ever state that she "stared at Frazier for the longest time in shock". In fact, she never even mentions Frazier's name at all. Nor does she ever state she stared at anybody on that day. If she did stare at Frazier,  that would have been burned in her mind as an event she wouldn't forget. She would have told the FBI of that account each time she spoke to them. Stanton stated everything else she did, but did not mention one thing about Frazier or staring at him. So, we can officially say that the figure is not Sarah Stanton since she stated nothing about Fraizer, the man Doyle claims she was staring at in "shock". We can also officially say that Sarah Stanton herself debunks Doyle's phony claim of her being "prayer woman".

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives)

Sarah Stanton affidavit: Sarah Stanton "she was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley…Mr. Otis Williams…Mrs. T.B. Saunders…and Billy Lovelady. I heard three shots after the President’s car passed the front of the building but I could not see the President’s car at that time. I cannot say positively where the shots came from. I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day.”


So, Sarah Stanton specifically stated in her official FBI testimony that she immediately went inside the building after she heard three explosions. She was trying to look out a window from inside to see what was happening. After that, she went to the restroom and returned to her desk. She wasn't outside on the steps staring at Frazier in 'shock' "for the longest time" like Doyle is trying to falsely claim. Right there in Stanton's own testimony, she is debunking Doyle's false claim of her being "prayer woman".

Since Stanton immediately went inside the building after she heard three explosions, that would give her no time to be outside staring at Frazier in 'shock' for a long time. This is the precise point I was making to Mr. Graves who was claiming I was "nit picking". This means that Stanton is not "prayer woman" since Stanton specifically stated she was inside trying to look out the window to see what was happening. She wasn't outside staring at Frazier in 'shock' because she would have stated that in her testimony. Stanton can't be in two places at once, and her official testimony places her going immediately inside the building looking out a window. So, in Sarah Stanton's own testimony she debunks Doyle's false and absurd claim.

Also, if you cared to notice, here are the witnesses Stanton said that was next to and near her: William Shelley, Otis Williams, T.B. Saunders, and Bill Lovelady. Nowhere in Stanton's testimony does she ever mention the name of Buell Fraizer. If she was staring at him in 'shock' for a long time, his name would have been the first person she mentioned. Stanton never mentioned Frazier's name at all standing next to, near her, or staring at her. Frazier's name is never mentioned in Stanton's testimony nor does she ever say she stared in 'shock' at any person at anytime. Stanton testified to immediately going inside the building and looking out a window. This proves that Sarah Stanton is not the prayer figure and Doyle's claim is false.

Stanton immediately went inside the building after the three explosions, therefore she was not outside for a long time staring at Frazier in 'shock'. Stanton was inside trying to look out a window, and then went to the restroom, and then sat at her desk. Stanton also said she could not see the President's car and had no idea what was going on, which is why she was looking out the window from inside. This official FBI testimony from Sarah Stanton herself debunks Doyle's phony claim of "Sarah Stanton being prayer woman". We can finally put to rest Doyle's bogus claim since it has been debunked by Stanton herself. Now Doyle can look for somebody else who he believes he sees in the highly distorted photo

That's too bad, since I won't be able to see what lame excuse you would come up with for your now debunked "Stanton as prayer woman" claim. Now you won't be able to read that your fake claim has been debunked by Sarah Stanton herself.

Bumped for Doyle who allegedly has Rick on ignore.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 04:21:28 PM
The reason I have Rick on ignore is because he is (in my opinion) a silly person who argues from a primitive level of trash talk but doesn't analyze evidence too deeply...For example, in this case he tries to seize upon a single quote in order to force it over everything but is only condemning himself in the process...Rick thinks he is going to get away with this contrivance and be allowed to ignore the rest of the evidence that still applies...You can finish off Rick Plant quickly by saying OK, we'll accept your claim that Sarah darted right from the crack of the last shot right in to the Depository and went upstairs...If that's the case then fair-minded Rick will apply that same standard to Bart Kamp and his claim that Sarah is seen down the eastern steps in Darnell...If what Rick says is true then Kamp's claim that Sarah is that amorphous blur on the east steps is also wrong because Darnell is 25-30 seconds after the last shot and by Rick's own rule Sarah is long gone...This means that the Prayer Man people can't find Sarah Stanton in the photography...Of course, the rogue double standard in this case means that the Prayer Man people being embarrassingly unable to answer their own calls for evidence, and being totally unable to locate Sarah in the photography on the portal, will be coddled by favoring and forgiving James Gordon who makes up the rules as he goes along and extends infinite latitude to the Prayer Man boobies who can keep trying for as long as it takes to locate Sarah over on the left side as they say...The Prayer Man boobies are allowed to distort evidence and intentionally take it out of context...It is only when a credible researcher calls their bluff and tells them they should therefore have no trouble locating Sarah over on the east side as they claim that they get awful evasive (and trollish)...Very simply Rick Plant...If Sarah is so easily determinable, according to your version, then you should have no trouble backing up your stuff and you should be able to show us Sarah Stanton on the portal since there were only two women on the landing platform and we already discovered the other one with her back against the east doorway entrance...

Rick is taking this rather simple-minded straw man and trying to run with it but he has failed to answer basic other evidence like Davidson bringing out a woman's face on Prayer Man...The Prayer Man mob are liars because Davidson used and proved perfectly credible methodology in discovering that face...As soon as we get the original Wiegman film the woman's face that Davidson brought out will be proven to be a real and existing feature on the Wiegman celluloid and therefore will prove that those who said otherwise were lying...Skilled researchers already know Prayer Man has been proven to have Stanton's obese features like her chubby face, obese forearm and hand, obvious wide female hips, and uniform fabric color from her shoulders to her knees designating a dress...Davidson proved long ago that Prayer Man was a woman...What the Prayer Man mob does is group up on you and lie collectively in order to make it appear that you failed to make your case...When Davidson posted his metadata that proved that the woman's face was legitimately gotten from the Wiegman film...Davidson however caved and gave in to the peer pressure on the Education Forum that has been hijacked by the Prayer Man group and its dirty moderator James Gordon...I cannot be held responsible for persons who fail to defend their findings because they are afraid of the Prayer Man goons...

The answer to Rick's silly straw man is that Buell Frazier was standing right next to Sarah as he mentioned repeatedly...He spoke directly of her actions as he witnessed them from close range and he said Sarah was furthest in to the shadows in the portal (exactly where Prayer Man is)...Frazier said that after Calvery got to the steps he and Sarah stared at each other in shock for the longest time...Calvery has been proven beyond a doubt to be seen going up the steps in Darnell which means the time period seen in Darnell is the exact time period when Frazier was staring at Sarah...It is a crime that skilled researchers like myself have to deal with imbeciles and trolls when trying to show what should be obvious evidence to a group that calls itself the representational research community...So when you simply add up the fact both Lovelady and Frazier placed Stanton over by the west wall, and Davidson brought out a woman's face on Prayer Man, and Rick's side can't produce Sarah over on the east side of the portal as they claim, that Prayer Man is very obviously Sarah Stanton - as all the evidence Rick Plant ignores shows...

The legitimate JFK research community has been seriously poisoned and damaged by the sick individuals Greg Parker and Bart Kamp...They are evidence gremlins who may be Sunstein agents who have gone in and planted highly damaging garbage right at the forefront of the contemporary internet research community...They have gotten the approval of less skilled researchers because of the sexy-ness of their claims and the fact James DiEugenio endorses them...Other people who call Jim out on this then get punished for Jim's wrongdoing so the gatekeepers can maintain their sycophantism...   
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 05:02:00 PM

As usual, the t***** have managed to divert the topic in to their t*******...If Moricet's image from Zambanini is what she says it is (and it looks like it is because the jacket has an identical lapel) then it appears that Mrs Robert Reid may provably be a different person than Jeraldean Reid in Stanton's photo album...

I love it how the people who think they are more credible than me to the point of banning are the same ones who are visibly, publicly trying to divert away from this main on-topic point...

Those liars know I'm right which is why they no longer answer Kamp or Stancak's Prayer Man BS over on the Education Forum...

They're losers because they have to ban to make their BS work...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 05:25:51 PM

I just got off the phone with Groden...

I asked him directly about the 80 year old woman claim and he said he was a terrible judge of age...

If somebody could help me get him a sharp image of Zambanini's photo with Bill Alexander I'd appreciate it...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 21, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
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...Very simply Rick Plant...If Sarah is so easily determinable, according to your version, then you should have no trouble backing up your stuff and you should be able to show us Sarah Stanton on the portal

Doyle is so stuck in narcissistic soliloquy mode that he can’t even remember what he’s responding to. If Rick’s argument is that Stanton went back inside after the shots, then why are you demanding that he find her outside?

Doyle thinks that if he keeps telling the same lies over and over again they will magically become true.

- Davidson said he didn’t prove anything.

- Davidson never posted metadata.

- Nobody has ever proven that prayerperson has “chubby” features.

- Frazier didn’t say that Sarah was furthest in to the shadows in the portal.

- Frazier didn’t say that after Calvery got to the steps he and Sarah stared at each other in shock for the longest time.

- It has not been proven beyond a doubt that Calvery is going up the steps in Darnell.

- Lovelady and Frazier didn’t place Stanton over by the west wall.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 06:08:42 PM
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If Moricet's image from Zambanini is what she says it is (and it looks like it is because the jacket has an identical lapel) then it appears that Mrs Robert Reid may provably be a different person than Jeraldean Reid in Stanton's photo album...

Brian,

Speaking of Robert Reid, what do you think his middle initial was?

Do you believe the Jeraldean Reid you mentioned above was married at the time of the assassination?

If so, do you believe her maiden name was Bray?  Yes or no?

Do you believe Jeraldean was married to a Robert Reid at the time of the assassination?

If Jeraldean Reid has already passed away, what year do you think she died?

Thanks,

-- MWT   ;)

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 06:27:29 PM

The issue is whether the new image of Mrs Robert Reid next to Alexander discovered by Zambanini shows a visibly different person than the Stanton album photo?...

Apparently Moricet is more worried about getting his feelings hurt than hard direct discussion of important evidence...

What is wrong with Zambanini?...She's a member...I've seen her name in the active viewer list...Is she shy?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 06:35:17 PM
I removed the link to the excellent quality photo showing Reid with Alexander. I removed it in case someone steals the link that I created. Thank you for your understanding.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 06:40:07 PM

Again, smart people will see what the truth is here...

"Abuse"...

Credible researchers have an obligation towards the evidence and taking 15 months to process important evidence because of foolish personal grudges is a failure of good research...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 06:55:04 PM
Just saw Doyle's post on Prayer Woman page. He said that Linda found the photo of Reid and Alexander together. She did not... I did. :) Doyle creates his own reality.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 06:58:49 PM
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Just saw Doyle's post on Prayer Woman page. He said that Linda found the photo of Reid and Alexander together. She did not... I did. :) Doyle creates his own reality.

Don't play games Denis...It is petty...If I misunderstood who discovered the photo then I'll correct it but the outcome is the same because the photo shows the checkered coat Mrs Reid which is all that matters...

Still waiting for an honest answer from you for the on-topic here of the imagery showing two distinct Mrs Reid's...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 07:00:13 PM
"Still waiting for an honest answer from you".

Thanks for implying that I am a liar. Thanks, but no thanks.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
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The issue is whether the new image of Mrs Robert Reid next to Alexander discovered by Zambanini shows a visibly different person than the Stanton album photo?...

Apparently Moricet is more worried about getting his feelings hurt than hard direct discussion of important evidence...

What is wrong with Zambanini?...She's a member...I've seen her name in the active viewer list...Is she shy?...

Brian,

1)  As you know, I believe the woman in "your" color photo is the same woman who was photographically captured in Wiegman, in Cooper, with Alexander, and with Leavelle -- Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean (Bray) Reid, aka Geraldine (sic) Reid.  I don't believe the checked coat she was wearing with Alexander is an issue.  If you blow up the coat she was wearing with Leavelle and look at the left sleeve near her hand, you can make out those checks.

2)  Maybe Linda doesn't want to be "jumped on" by Iacoletti, Kamp, you, or "Bettina"...

--  MWT   ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 21, 2019, 07:19:22 PM
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As usual, the t***** have managed to divert the topic in to their t*******...If Moricet's image from Zambanini is what she says it is (and it looks like it is because the jacket has an identical lapel) then it appears that Mrs Robert Reid may provably be a different person than Jeraldean Reid in Stanton's photo album...

I’m still waiting for even an iota of evidence that any of these women are named Reid. Standing near Carolyn Arnold on Friday afternoon or sitting by Leavelle on Sunday doesn’t cut it.

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I love it how the people who think they are more credible than me to the point of banning are the same ones who are visibly, publicly trying to divert away from this main on-topic point...

Everybody is more credible than you. Even Ralph freakin’ Cinque is more credible than you.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 07:23:55 PM
John, we don't have anyone, yet, confirming this is Reid in any of these black and white images. From what I understand, the choice of Reid was a process of analyzing people's testimonies on where they were, at which time and who they were with. Chances are relatively strong enough that I figure it out by the end of the year. Of course, I might not be successful.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
I'm having trouble saying the face on the Stanton photo album Jeraldean Reid is the same face as the woman next to Alexander...But since I seem to be the only honest participant here I'll admit I haven't excluded them being the same people...As with much controversial JFK assassination evidence they are close enough that you can't say with absolute certainty... The hair style seems to be similar...

However on the other hand there is enough apparent difference between the faces of the two women to say further serious looks should be made in to this...Are there any Jeraldean Reid relatives we could contact?...

Moricet seems to have his sensitivity settings pretty high...

It is just my opinion now that muting the person who already got serious evidence might not be the best way to achieve that...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 07:38:14 PM
" I seem to be the only honest participant here"

 :D

Anyway, my position has not changed. It has been the same since the first second you posted the color photo of this Reid. I am not convinced this is the same woman as in the black and white images. She looks to have grown so much older in just 7 years. And the lips are bigger. I'm not saying it is not her. I have my doubts. But I've been wrong before. I'll try to figure it out with former TSBD employees without leading them.

By the way, this is the clearest available copy of the Reid/Alexander photo. She has that "thing" (I don't know the word) to hold her glasses. I think they are used mostly for those who need reading glasses, very useful when you work in an office.

https://postimg.cc/bdhdLXLN
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 07:54:20 PM
When you look at the close-up it is clearly a different woman...

I'll throw down and say this is significant new evidence that Groden has credibility...

If someone could post it to the "Mrs Robert Reid" thread at the Education Forum it would help educate the members towards serious new evidence...(Please)...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 21, 2019, 08:32:57 PM
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John, we don't have anyone, yet, confirming this is Reid in any of these black and white images. From what I understand, the choice of Reid was a process of analyzing people's testimonies on where they were, at which time and who they were with. Chances are relatively strong enough that I figure it out by the end of the year. Of course, I might not be successful.

And this folks is why Denis is a researcher and Doyle is a lying hack.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 21, 2019, 08:40:09 PM
The Alexander photo is available for viewing at the Arlington University in Texas. I was sent thumbnails photos of what a portion of what they have. They have more photos, but not sorted out yet. Maybe they have more of Reid.

You can order them, too. See my website: http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/FWST_Post-Assassination.pdf
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 21, 2019, 08:44:06 PM

Iacoletti already said in this thread that the women were obviously different...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 21, 2019, 09:14:19 PM
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"I asked him directly about the 80 year old woman claim and he said he was a terrible judge of age..."

Terrible judge of age? The foremost wannabe photo expert in the entire world? He was only off by like 30-40 years....lol  Yeah, he is real credible alright. No wonder you two cling to one another for moral support. Must get awfully lonesome for you two trying to make people believe you have any credibility.

"Terrible judge of age"

Yeah, like 4 decades terrible. Sheesh. Some photo expert you got their Mr Doyle.

Bettina(?),

Believe it or not, I was thinking the same thing.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 22, 2019, 03:48:35 PM

Dysfunction prevails and what should be serious new proof that should most certainly be posted on the Education Forum in order to inform the research community of important verification of Groden goes unposted...

The enlargement of the Alexander image shows what appears to be a different woman than the Stanton Album photo Jeraldean Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 22, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
There’s still absolutely no reason to think that the woman with Alexander is named Reid.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 22, 2019, 05:42:51 PM
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There’s still absolutely no reason to think that the woman with Alexander is named Reid.

That is simply false and you've been shown why it is false several times...

The thin leather pocketbook strap that the woman on the sidewalk in Cooper has is identical to the thin leather pocketbook strap that the lady next to Leavelle has...They look the same and the strap is proof they are the same person...Zambanini has correctly shown proof that the woman next to Alexander has the exact same coat as the woman next to Leavelle...This evidence proves all three woman are the same...I am a credible researcher so I credit Zambanini when she discovers important things...However, in return, when I discover very important things like Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton Zambanini blocks me and removes me from her eyesight...In response to this gross injustice I am then further defamed and my important work is ignored...

The reason we know the woman next to Alexander is Mrs Robert Reid is because all 3 women match and the woman on the sidewalk is where Mrs Robert Reid was described by witnesses...She is standing in close proximity in the photography to other employees who also described her as standing close to them...Common sense tells you she is at the police station because she is being interviewed...Iacoletti likes to think his knee-jerk denials save him from answering the rest of the evidence...It has to be Mrs Robert Reid because Iacoletti nor anyone else can name who it would be otherwise...

It is obvious to persons with common sense that the only reason Iacoletti is up to his old tricks is because he realizes the woman next to Alexander is a clearly visibly different person than "Jeraldean Reid" in Stanton's photo album and that this is good proof Groden has veracity...What does the rest of the Education Forum-oriented booby research community do with this electrically important new evidence?... - They ignore it and confirm their permanent lack of credibility and operating by childish grudge... 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 22, 2019, 08:48:13 PM
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The issue is whether the new image of Mrs Robert Reid next to Alexander discovered by Zambanini shows a visibly different person than the Stanton album photo?...

Apparently Moricet is more worried about getting his feelings hurt than hard direct discussion of important evidence...

What is wrong with Zambanini?...She's a member...I've seen her name in the active viewer list...Is she shy?...

Whoa! there, Mr. Doyle, hold it right there sir....No one is worried about hurt feelings, and Ms. Linda Giovanna Zambanini's exemplary research is as stellar as it comes.

Now, back to your penchant for playing your own version of musical chairs w/the evidence. 

I read all of the TSBD employee statements chronicled in Commission Exhibit 1381 and have yet to find your Reid witness account. However, I did manage to find the statement of Mrs. Robert Reid (not to be confused w/your phantom Reid)

Here's the authentic Mrs. Reid's statement on page 39 ----->

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1381.pdf

In fairness to you though, read over the shared link above. Perhaps I may have missed your Reid witness (Jeraldine), and bring my attention to her CE 1381 statement...

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 22, 2019, 08:52:38 PM

Get back to me when you can answer what was being said Alan...

The subject was the two images of Mrs Robert Reid we have that appear to show two different women...

One was from a Depository employee photo album owned by Sarah Stanton and the other was from a photo of Mrs Robert Reid at the Dallas Police Station...You can read about it in this thread...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 22, 2019, 09:17:34 PM
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Get back to me when you can answer what was being said Alan...

The subject was the two images of Mrs Robert Reid we have that appear to show two different women...

One was from a Depository employee photo album owned by Sarah Stanton and the other was from a photo of Mrs Robert Reid at the Dallas Police Station...You can read about it in this thread...

So, your dodge, avoidance and refusal to share your phantom Reid's CE 1381 Statement is confirmation she is a figment of your imagination?  Essentially, your Reid witness statement is non-existent isn't it, Mr. Doyle?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 22, 2019, 09:49:08 PM
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Pure comedic gold.  :D

03-30-2016, 07:05 PM #31

Brian Doyle aka "BrianDoyle"

"Good thing we've been warned to avoid conjecture and speculation..."

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?15605-Challenge&p=108735#post108735

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?15605-Challenge/page4

Mr. Doyle,

It is all too clear to us now that your credentials as a student of JFK Research are non-existent. You do not display even a rudimentary understanding of this discipline. Your thinking is extremely shallow.

In terms of your focus, well, let's just say you're a one-trick pony with three bad legs who saddled up and rode the wrong horse backwards in this case.

Your 'research' is anything but compelling or even factual. You use words and phrases, that of which you haven't the slightest clue as to their meaning. You are all hat and no cattle in this field Mr. Doyle.

You are dismissed.

Brian Doyle:

"I think you can judge the credibility of people's input by observing their dedicated incuriosity. "

Brian Doyle:

"One the worse things you can do in this business is approach it as if you yourself embodied some sort of precedent or judicial license where you or your person represented an automatic opinion that needed no scrutiny or justification."

Gentle Reader,

Mr Doyle isn't here to help solve this case, no, far from it. Mr Doyle is here so as to take part in a social club.

This case is merely a speculative hobby for Mr Doyle as he knows that his view points are totally incompatible with this case. He knows this and has admitted the same on several different occasions.

He is completely wrong in this case and yes, he actually knows that, yet he persists in proffering it up as fact simply because he knows it will get someone, anyone, to reply back to him and thereby garner himself much needed daily attention, much like your  common everyday run of the mill t----.

As I have always said, this case is non serious to Brian and is Brian's social net and hence it is his social life, a kind of pseudo social club, a makeshift playground environment if you will, that links him to the outside world via his keyboard.

Hear, hear....
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 22, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
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So, your dodge, avoidance and refusal to share your phantom Reid's CE 1381 Statement is confirmation she is a figment of your imagination?  Essentially, your Reid witness statement is non-existent isn't it, Mr. Doyle?

The rules of evidence say material evidence of two photos of two different women, both being called Mrs Reid, trumps your evasive contrivance...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 22, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
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The rules of evidence say material evidence of two photos of two different women, both being called Mrs Reid, trumps your evasive contrivance...

On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, because if you truly believe what you wrote you'd realize absence of your Reid witness statement in Commission Exhibit 1381 confirms only one statement from a legitimate Reid source instead of an additional statement albeit it by one of a phantom source (your invention).

Again, IF your Reid witness is legitimate just show us her employee statement within the chronicled statements by all of the other employees shared within CE 1381...shouldn't be too difficult if you aren't making up phantom sources.

*Sidebar: lest you forget, Mr. Doyle, as I take leave for now, I'm privy to key information that you have knowingly made a decision to keep out of this thread, especially regarding of a date & time stamp nature. That said, I'll leave it up to you to come clean about the specifics here, or be mindful I am also privy to the same information/photos you are ---->

X Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx (Xxxxxxxxx@xxx.com)To:you Details
Good morning,
Yes Alan, both you and Brian Doyle initially contacted me on the same day through different means and both have come to me asking for different pictures or information...through our conversation it spurred memories of things I had been told so I confirmed with my Mother Xxxxxx (Sarah’s then Daughter in law) about what I remembered and what My Grandmother mentioned to her about that day. To me it’s nothing major but to the researchers and their work I guess it is...
~Xxxxx

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Alan Ford <a1anford@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, Xxxxx (well it may be only morning where you are or just about noon...just the same have a good day),
>
> Trust your weekend was relaxing and time well spent with your loved ones--friends and family. Nothing new here on my end, but I would like to ask you several questions, which by all means you are at liberty not to answer if you care not to....

--End--

Now, Mr. Doyle, when I return late next week, I trust you will have shared openly & honestly why someone in one picture may appear different in another photo. You do it or I will. Your choice.  In fairness to you, Mr. Doyle, I don't bluff, just giving you an opportunity to come clean on your own. Good day sir.

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 22, 2019, 11:50:34 PM
There's Alan ignoring that we have photographic evidence of two Mrs Reid's and telling us to take an FBI statement straight and to ignore what we can see with our own eyes...

The photo from Sarah Stanton's photo album had "Jeraldean Reid 1967" written by Sarah in the index...

There's a telling silence from the Lone Nutters...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 23, 2019, 02:16:10 AM
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There’s still absolutely no reason to think that the woman with Alexander is named Reid.

Iacoletti,

Why not?

1) No DNA tests?

2) No notarized statements, in triplicate?

3) No fifteen photos and films from different angles?

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 07:39:03 AM
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The thin leather pocketbook strap that the woman on the sidewalk in Cooper has is identical to the thin leather pocketbook strap that the lady next to Leavelle has...

You’ve done absolutely nothing to show that these are “identical”.

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They look the same and the strap is proof they are the same person...Zambanini has correctly shown proof that the woman next to Alexander has the exact same coat as the woman next to Leavelle...

Bull. Where’s the proof?

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The reason we know the woman next to Alexander is Mrs Robert Reid is because all 3 women match and the woman on the sidewalk is where Mrs Robert Reid was described by witnesses...

Bull. Name and quote these witnesses. You don’t even know when the Cooper film was taken.

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She is standing in close proximity in the photography to other employees who also described her as standing close to them...

Cite these descriptions.

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Common sense tells you she is at the police station because she is being interviewed..

Bull. You don’t know she’s being interviewed. Or that her name is Reid.

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Iacoletti likes to think his knee-jerk denials save him from answering the rest of the evidence...

Show some evidence rather than empty claims and I’ll stop pointing out that you’re full of crap.

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.It has to be Mrs Robert Reid because Iacoletti nor anyone else can name who it would be otherwise...

It could literally be anybody else. Your guess doesn’t just automatically win.

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It is obvious to persons with common sense that the only reason Iacoletti is up to his old tricks is because he realizes the woman next to Alexander is a clearly visibly different person than "Jeraldean Reid" in Stanton's photo album and that this is good proof Groden has veracity...

No, you haven’t proven that the woman next to Alexander is named Reid. We already know Groden’s story is false. There was no Delores or Geraldine and Jeraldean died 40 years before Groden said he waited until she died to tell her story.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 07:44:11 AM
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Iacoletti,

Why not?

1) No DNA tests?

2) No notarized statements, in triplicate?

3) No fifteen photos and films from different angles?

There is nothing whatsoever (other than Doyle choosing to call them “Mrs Reid”.

Nothing.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 23, 2019, 09:00:02 AM
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There is nothing whatsoever (other than Doyle choosing to call them “Mrs Reid”.

Nothing.

Iacoletti,

Life must be very challenging when all you can see are blobs.

Ochus Campbell said Reid and some other TSBD employees (Carolyn Arnold and Bonnie Ritchey) were "standing at his elbow," and that he was also "with" Roy Truly during the motorcade.

I discovered Truly and Campbell in Wiegman a couple of years ago, and Linda Giovanni-Zambanini has shown in an enlarged Wiegman frame that Reid (the glasses-wearing woman who's mostly hidden behind Betty Dragoo and Virgie Rackley Baker) and the others were indeed standing near Campbell, in the street between the tip of the "island" and the Elm Street Extension curb.

-- MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 23, 2019, 09:14:50 AM
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The answer to Rick's silly straw man is that Buell Frazier was standing right next to Sarah as he mentioned repeatedly...He spoke directly of her actions as he witnessed them from close range and he said Sarah was furthest in to the shadows in the portal (exactly where Prayer Man is)...Frazier said that after Calvery got to the steps he and Sarah stared at each other in shock for the longest time...Calvery has been proven beyond a doubt to be seen going up the steps in Darnell which means the time period seen in Darnell is the exact time period when Frazier was staring at Sarah...It is a crime that skilled researchers like myself have to deal with imbeciles and trolls when trying to show what should be obvious evidence to a group that calls itself the representational research community...So when you simply add up the fact both Lovelady and Frazier placed Stanton over by the west wall, and Davidson brought out a woman's face on Prayer Man, and Rick's side can't produce Sarah over on the east side of the portal as they claim, that Prayer Man is very obviously Sarah Stanton - as all the evidence Rick Plant ignores shows.

Doyle makes the weak attempt at claiming "straw man" after his phony 'prayer woman' theory has refuted by Sarah Stanton herself. Doyle has no way to answer for this, so he uses other people's claims and makes up his own fiction for his evidence. Doyle is calling Sarah Stanton a liar and is fraudulently  discrediting her testimony in order to continue the farce of his "Stanton as prayer woman" claim. He claims that I ignore his fictitious evidence but he is the one who rejects Sarah Stanton's testimony. So, let's see what Sarah Stanton herself has to say about Doyle's and other people's claims.           

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives) "she was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."

Sarah Stanton gave her direct testimony to the FBI on the same day of 11-23-63. After she heard three explosions, she immediately went inside the building and went up the elevator to the second floor looking out the window to see what was happening. Stanton's testimony refutes Doyle's fictional claim of her being the prayer figure. Why is that you say? Because if this figure was Stanton, she would have known what was happening when she was "staring in shock for the longest time" as Doyle falsely claims. The fact that she was looking out the window on the second floor proves she had no idea what was happening. If she was "staring in shock for the longest time" that would have been the exact testimony she would have stated to the FBI. Stanton said nothing about that account which proves any other claim to be false.
           
(11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

Sarah Stanton never stated that she was standing next to Buell Fraizer "staring at him in shock for the longest time". She specifically stated she immediately went inside the building going up to the second floor looking out a window to see what was happening. If this event occurred, this would have been the exact words from Stanton in her testimony. She never mentioned it because it never happened and she isn't the figure. So, Doyle can claim "straw man" all he wants. Stanton's testimony refutes his fiction but in return he calls Stanton a liar.       

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.

Stanton never mentioned Buell Fraizer at all standing next to her or near her. The fake account of her "staring at Frazier in shock for the longest time" has been debunked by Sarah Stanton herself. If she was staring at "Frazier in shock for the longest time", she would have stated Frazier as the first witness next to her.

It's a crime when shabby wannabe researchers claim to be the "best and the brightest" using fiction for their claims. Doyle's shabby research and fiction has been refuted by the person he claims is 'prayer woman'. That's hilarious when you think about it, but Doyle can't call Stanton a liar when she gave credible testimony of her own actions that day. Doyle nor anybody else can try to claim otherwise. This phony theory has been put to rest and put out of its misery.         
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 23, 2019, 09:22:46 AM
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It has to be Mrs Robert Reid because Iacoletti nor anyone else can name who it would be

So, Doyle is admitting that his "excellent research" is based only on a wild guess with no facts or evidence and no knowledge of what he's talking about. This isn't the hallmark of a great researcher by any means.     
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 23, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
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Doyle makes the weak attempt at claiming "straw man" after his phony 'prayer woman' theory has refuted by Sarah Stanton herself. Doyle has no way to answer for this, so he uses other people's claims and makes up his own fiction for his evidence. Doyle is calling Sarah Stanton a liar and is fraudulently  discrediting her testimony in order to continue the farce of his "Stanton as prayer woman" claim. He claims that I ignore his fictitious evidence but he is the one who rejects Sarah Stanton's testimony. So, let's see what Sarah Stanton herself has to say about Doyle's and other people's claims.           

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives) "she was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."

Sarah Stanton gave her direct testimony to the FBI on the same day of 11-23-63. After she heard three explosions, she immediately went inside the building and went up the elevator to the second floor looking out the window to see what was happening. Stanton's testimony refutes Doyle's fictional claim of her being the prayer figure. Why is that you say? Because if this figure was Stanton, she would have known what was happening when she was "staring in shock for the longest time" as Doyle falsely claims. The fact that she was looking out the window on the second floor proves she had no idea what was happening. If she was "staring in shock for the longest time" that would have been the exact testimony she would have stated to the FBI. Stanton said nothing about that account which proves any other claim to be false.
           
(11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

Sarah Stanton never stated that she was standing next to Buell Fraizer "staring at him in shock for the longest time". She specifically stated she immediately went inside the building going up to the second floor looking out a window to see what was happening. If this event occurred, this would have been the exact words from Stanton in her testimony. She never mentioned it because it never happened and she isn't the figure. So, Doyle can claim "straw man" all he wants. Stanton's testimony refutes his fiction but in return he calls Stanton a liar.       

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.

Stanton never mentioned Buell Fraizer at all standing next to her or near her. The fake account of her "staring at Frazier in shock for the longest time" has been debunked by Sarah Stanton herself. If she was staring at "Frazier in shock for the longest time", she would have stated Frazier as the first witness next to her.

It's a crime when shabby wannabe researchers claim to be the "best and the brightest" using fiction for their claims. Doyle's shabby research and fiction has been refuted by the person he claims is 'prayer woman'. That's hilarious when you think about it, but Doyle can't call Stanton a liar when she gave credible testimony of her own actions that day. Doyle nor anybody else can try to claim otherwise. This phony theory has been put to rest and put out of its misery.         


Well said+
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 03:34:09 PM

In my opinion there is no reason to take Iacoletti seriously or respond to his posts...

Mytton showed that the pocketbook strap on the woman on the sidewalk is identical to the thin leather pocketbook strap on the woman next to Leavelle...Zambanini showed that the lapel on the woman next to Leavelle is identical to the lapel on the woman next to Alexander...This proves the woman is the same woman in all 3 photos...Her face is similar in all 3 photos so it is not just the pocketbook strap, even though the pocketbook strap is enough on its own...

Honestly I come here for serious discussion of JFK assassination evidence amongst serious adults and not for the childish responses of persons playing silly mind games...There are other less than honest persons who know this evidence is good but also have another personal agenda that keeps them from admitting it...Rather than admit they were wrong on Prayer Man these less than mature posters hold a grudge against you and give you a hard time...

The fact this woman is in all 3 photos, and appears to have a different face than "Jeraldean Reid" in Stanton's Depository album photo, suggests that there is visible validity to Robert Groden's claim that there were two Mrs Reid's...I find this bizarre because I got in to this by pure accident...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 03:36:45 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/WbfsTCvP/handbag.jpg)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
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Life must be very challenging when all you can see are blobs.

It must be challenging for your entire world view about everything to be based on creative blob interpretation.

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Ochus Campbell said Reid and some other TSBD employees (Carolyn Arnold and Bonnie Ritchey) were "standing at his elbow," and that he was also "with" Roy Truly during the motorcade.

So what? None of the pictures of Doyle’s “Mrs Reid” were taken during the motorcade.

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I discovered Truly and Campbell in Wiegman a couple of years ago, and Linda Giovanni-Zambanini has shown in an enlarged Wiegman frame that Reid (the glasses-wearing woman who's mostly hidden behind Betty Dragoo and Virgie Rackley Baker) and the others were indeed standing near Campbell, in the street between the tip of the "island" and the Elm Street Extension curb.

I just got a PM saying that you didn’t “discover” Truly and Campbell at all, so link please.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
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Mytton showed that the pocketbook strap on the woman on the sidewalk is identical to the thin leather pocketbook strap on the woman next to Leavelle...

False. This is your unsupported claim. “Mytton” said “shrug”.

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Zambanini showed that the lapel on the woman next to Leavelle is identical to the lapel on the woman next to Alexander...

You’re name dropping again. Where/when did Linda “show” this? We already know that you’ve lied about Davidson and Larsen.

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This proves the woman is the same woman in all 3 photos...Her face is similar in all 3 photos so it is not just the pocketbook strap, even though the pocketbook strap is enough on its own...

Wrong. You merely claiming something is proven is not proof.

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Honestly I come here for serious discussion of JFK assassination evidence amongst serious adults and not for the childish responses of persons playing silly mind games...

You come here to spread lies and misinformation. And you can’t handle being challenged on it.

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The fact this woman is in all 3 photos, and appears to have a different face than "Jeraldean Reid" in Stanton's Depository album photo, suggests that there is visible validity to Robert Groden's claim that there were two Mrs Reid's...I find this bizarre because I got in to this by pure accident...

You still don’t have even a lick of evidence that any of these 3 women are named Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 23, 2019, 04:31:22 PM
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Well said+

Stanton didn't know that the President had been shot ( nor did she know the sounds were shots)  So there was nothing for her to be "in shock" about.....   She wanted to get to a place where she might get a better view of what was happening.....So she left the front steps immediately and took the elevator to the second floor.

Lee Oswald was allegedly fleeing across the second floor about the time Stanton arrived on the second floor.......
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 04:39:05 PM
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Stanton didn't know that the President had been shot ( nor did she know the sounds were shots)  So there was nothing for her to be "in shock" about.....   She wanted to get to a place where she might get a better view of what was happening.....So she left the front steps immediately and took the elevator to the second floor.

Lee Oswald was allegedly fleeing across the second floor about the time Stanton arrived on the second floor.......

Buell Frazier detailed many times in many interviews and statements that Sarah turned to him (just like Prayer Man does from Wiegman to Darnell) and said "I think she said the president has been shot" when reacting to Frazier's puzzlement over Calvery shouting on her way to the steps...

So your comment above that Sarah didn't know the president had been shot is dead wrong and goes directly against what direct witness Buell Frazier said...

Carol Reed told me that she ran in directly...We see her doing that in Darnell while she is with Gloria Calvery on the steps...Carol Reed told me that when she got to the passenger elevator it didn't work because there was no electricity...

It is proven FACT that Buell Frazier is staring at Sarah Stanton in Darnell when he is seen looking at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...Certain trolls never answered me when I pointed out that the Prayer Man people have failed to locate Stanton on the east side of Frazier as they claimed...

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 04:47:10 PM
The pocketbook strap is visibly identical in the Mytton image I posted...

Iacoletti refuses to acknowledge undeniable evidence...That's why I have him on ignore...I consider him a serious detriment to this website and its credibility...No credible researcher would deny that Mytton showed an identical strap on both pocketbooks and since the woman has a similar face that is good enough for a match...There's no reason to pay attention to someone denying this for t******* purposes in order to get attention...

Here's where people who know you're right leave you hanging...

These internet researchers are crooks...They've ganged-up against me and criminally denied me my rights...They got a dirty moderator to falsely accuse me and then censor and ban me, even though my information was correct and I was only doing what their boards encourage and was punished for doing it well...If there was any way I could take legal action against them I would because they have seriously criminally violated my rights and they are openly violating their publicly stated board purpose and rules in order to protect their favorites...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 23, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
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Buell Frazier detailed many times in many interviews and statements that Sarah turned to him (just like Prayer Man does from Wiegman to Darnell) and said "I think she said the president has been shot" when reacting to Frazier's puzzlement over Calvery shouting on her way to the steps...

So your comment above that Sarah didn't know the president had been shot is dead wrong and goes directly against what direct witness Buell Frazier said...

Carol Reed told me that she ran in directly...We see her doing that in Darnell while she is with Gloria Calvery on the steps...Carol Reed told me that when she got to the passenger elevator it didn't work because there was no electricity...

It is proven FACT that Buell Frazier is staring at Sarah Stanton in Darnell when he is seen looking at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...Certain trolls never answered me when I pointed out that the Prayer Man people have failed to locate Stanton on the east side of Frazier as they claimed...


(11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

Sarah Stanton never stated that she was standing next to Buell Fraizer.......

I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.

Do you see the name Buell Frazier among those that Stanton listed?

 She specifically stated she immediately went inside the building going up to the second floor looking out a window to see what was happening.

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 05:13:59 PM
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(11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

Sarah Stanton never stated that she was standing next to Buell Fraizer.......

I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.

Do you see the name Buell Frazier among those that Stanton listed?

 She specifically stated she immediately went inside the building going up to the second floor looking out a window to see what was happening.

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.

That doesn't change a single thing I wrote...

I find it disingenuous that you would enter what you did and think it legitimately answered the FACTS I wrote...

You are diverting and avoiding admitting that what you wrote was WRONG...

Behaviorally, Frazier and Stanton now have a reason to be staring at each other in shock since they have communicated information that would cause that exact result...You have no right to ignore that we then see that very thing happening in Darnell where Frazier stares at Prayer Man for the full 4 second length of the clip after we see him proven right by seeing Calvery on the steps...

That's really weak Walt...Is that they best you can do?...



Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 05:23:26 PM

I wonder if Moricet considers denying obvious evidence "abuse"?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 23, 2019, 05:25:32 PM
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That's doesn't change a single thing I wrote...

I find it disingenuous that you would enter what you did and think it legitimately answered the FACTS I wrote...

You are diverting and avoiding admitting that what you wrote was WRONG...

Behaviorally, Frazier and Stanton now have a reason to be staring at each other in shock since they have communicated information that would cause that exact result...You have no right to ignore that we then see that very thing happening in Darnell where Frazier stares at Prayer Man for the full 4 second length of the clip...

That's really weak Walt...Is that they best you can do?...


Doyle...Do you see Frazier's name among those listed by Stanton?.....   If Frazier and Stanton had "stared at each other in shock " don't you believe that she would have listed Frazier at the top of her list?....And .....  If Lee Oswald had been there don't you believe that she would have had him on her list?

 “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 23, 2019, 05:27:45 PM
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That doesn't change a single thing I wrote...

I find it disingenuous that you would enter what you did and think it legitimately answered the FACTS I wrote...

You are diverting and avoiding admitting that what you wrote was WRONG...

Behaviorally, Frazier and Stanton now have a reason to be staring at each other in shock since they have communicated information that would cause that exact result...You have no right to ignore that we then see that very thing happening in Darnell where Frazier stares at Prayer Man for the full 4 second length of the clip after we see him proven right by seeing Calvery on the steps...

That's really weak Walt...Is that they best you can do?...

Doyle...Do you see Frazier's name among those listed by Stanton?.....   If Frazier and Stanton had "stated at each other in shock " don't you believe that she would have listed Frazier at the top of her list?....And .....  If Lee Oswald had been there don't you believe that she would have had him on her list?

 “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 05:28:58 PM
If you follow the rules of evidence, visual evidence where you see what Frazier claimed in front of you in Darnell trumps disingenuous contrivances that are being dishonestly used to avoid good arguments...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Walt Cakebread on September 23, 2019, 05:47:09 PM
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If you follow the rules of evidence, visual evidence where you see what Frazier claimed in front of you in Darnell trumps disingenuous contrivances that are being dishonestly used to avoid good arguments...

Mr Doyle...An intelligent and  wise man.....Will stop digging when he discovers that he's getting in over his head..... 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 23, 2019, 06:26:39 PM
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I just got a PM saying that you didn’t “discover” Truly and Campbell at all, so link please.

Iacoletti,

The following is my since-edited July 27, 2015 post on the second page of the EF thread, "Where Was Roy Truly Right After The Last Shot Was Fired?"

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22100-where-was-roy-truly-right-after-the-last-shot-was-fired/page/2/


Fascinating is the fact that in her 1964 WC testimony, Jeraldean Reid (AKA Mrs. Robert A. Reid) said she was standing near Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly some distance directly in front of the front steps during the assassination and that Campbell told her that the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area.

EDIT: I just read her 11/23/63 affidavit (see below). In it she says she was standing near Campbell but that someone else said the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area. This is different from what she testified later to the Warren Commission.

Jeraldean Reid appears in a few photographs and films:

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The frame on the bottom right (with the vertical red arrow) is from the Dave Wiegman film. In the video below, that frame is easiest to see at 01:04.

Please compare that frame with the frames viewable at 0.45 in the following version of the Wiegman film--

(Go to the post on the EF to see it because I don't know how to "copy and paste it" here.)


I believe the two suit-wearing men barely visible on the far right at 0:45 in the video (above the Chevy's right tail fin), just a few people away from where Jeraldean Reid was standing (she is hidden behind another woman at 0:45) could be Roy Truly and Ochus Campbell.

FWIW, she said that about two minutes after the assassination she encountered, shortly after she entered her large second-floor office area, a t-shirt wearing Oswald passing through in the general direction of the front elevator / front stairs with a full bottle of Coke.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm

Her first name was not Jeraldine or Geraldine. It was Jeraldean. Her maiden name was Bray. She was born on August 24, 1912, so she was fifty-one years old on 11/22/63.

--Tommy :sun

PS The photo of her sitting with Homicide Detective Jim Leavelle was taken on 11/23/63 according to Leavelle's April 7, 1964, WC testimony, ergo her different clothing.

Mr. BALL. You went to work at what time Saturday morning, November 23, 1963?

Mr. LEAVELLE. It would be around 8 o'clock, I imagine.
Mr. BALL. And did you take some statements that day?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Chances are I may have, I do not remember.
Mr. BALL. Here is----
Mr. LEAVELLE. It says took one affidavit from R. S. Truly, supervisor of Texas School Book and the other of employee, Mrs. R. A. Reid.
Mr. BALL. You are refreshing your memory from a report that you made, is that correct?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes.

Here is Reid's 11/23/63 affidavit from the Dallas Municipal Archives:

51. Affidavit In Any Fact typed, by Mrs. R. A. Reid. Statement as an employee of the Texas School Book Depository. States she saw Oswald leave the back office near the lunch room after the shooting, 11/23/63. 00001327 1 page 05 02 051 1327-001.gif

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html

Edited January 31, 2016 by Thomas Graves

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--  MWT   ;)

PS  And here's Chris Davidson's helpful follow-up post on page three of that thread (helpful in that on a Wiegman frame he drew a red arrow to the guy -- Roy Truly -- I was talking about), and my reply to it in which I mention Ochus Cambell's being near Truly in that image Wiegman image --

On 7/28/2015 at 10:41 PM, Chris Davidson said:
Thomas,

Here's a static version for you.

chris

Yes, Chris. IMHO your red arrow on the right is pointing at Truly.

I think it's a little easier to recognize his facial features, hat, and short stature in the enhanced GIF I posted, especially when looking at the GIF before it starts running.

IEJmpY.gif

But now your red arrow on the right in the previous post lets everybody know the guy I'm talking about.

What's significant is that the tall guy next to him could be Ochus Campbell (is he wearing a white shirt and a tie, but no jacket? -- the potential O.V. Campbell whom new member Linda recently pointed out in the Martin and Hughes clips also appears to be wearing a white shirt but no jacket), and that a woman who resembles the woman Det. Jim Leavelle was talking with the next day in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau -- fifty-one year old Mrs. Robert A. Reid? -- can be seen about six feet away from them in the GIF.

Thanks!

--Tommy :sun

Edited July 29, 2015 by Thomas Graves


--  Mudd Wrassler Tommy   Walk:

PPPS  Going from memory here, but one could say that the great (and I truly mean that) Linda Giovanna Zambanini and I collaborated on my spotting of Campbell (near Truly) in the Wiegman film.

Everybody happy now?

PPPPS See the rest of that EF thread for further elucidation...


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 09:27:08 PM
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Carol Reed told me that she ran in directly...We see her doing that in Darnell while she is with Gloria Calvery on the steps...

Bull.  You don't know who Carol Reed is in Darnell.

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It is proven FACT that Buell Frazier is staring at Sarah Stanton in Darnell when he is seen looking at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...

Also bull.  You can demonstrate where or even if Frazier is "staring".

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Certain trolls never answered me when I pointed out that the Prayer Man people have failed to locate Stanton on the east side of Frazier as they claimed...

You've failed to locate Stanton in the PP position.  You've just claimed that it's her.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 09:28:47 PM
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The pocketbook strap is visibly identical in the Mytton image I posted...

So you claim.  It's a dark strap, that's all.  What's so unique about it?

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Iacoletti refuses to acknowledge undeniable evidence...That's why I have him on ignore...I consider him a serious detriment to this website and its credibility...No credible researcher would deny that Mytton showed an identical strap on both pocketbooks and since the woman has a similar face that is good enough for a match...

That's just flat out false.  "Mytton" didn't show anything to be "identical".  And neither did you.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 09:30:25 PM
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Behaviorally, Frazier and Stanton now have a reason to be staring at each other in shock since they have communicated information that would cause that exact result...

You actually don't know if or when Frazier and Stanton have said anything to each other either before or during the Darnell clip.  You're just making it up.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
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I wonder if Moricet considers denying obvious evidence "abuse"?...

There is nobody named "Moricet".  And something isn't "obvious evidence" just because you have declared it to be.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 09:35:58 PM
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The following is my since-edited July 27, 2015 post on the second page of the EF thread, "Where Was Roy Truly Right After The Last Shot Was Fired?" [/b]
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22100-where-was-roy-truly-right-after-the-last-shot-was-fired/page/2/

Thanks.  I'll spend some time reading that thread.

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PS The photo of her sitting with Homicide Detective Jim Leavelle was taken on 11/23/63 according to Leavelle's April 7, 1964, WC testimony, ergo her different clothing.

The film of the woman next to Leavelle is from Sunday.  Is there any evidence that Reid went back to the station on Sunday?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 23, 2019, 09:58:23 PM
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Thanks.  I'll spend some time reading that thread.

The film of the woman next to Leavelle is from Sunday.  Is there any evidence that Reid went back to the station on Sunday?

John,

What proof do you have that that clip was was filmed on Sunday?

Just because it was included in that History Channel (or whatever) program about Jack Ruby's shooting of Oswald?

-- MWT  ;)

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 23, 2019, 10:07:09 PM

T*******...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 23, 2019, 10:43:35 PM
Doyle is in full denial here. Doyle is calling Sarah Stanton a liar and does not believe her official FBI testimony. He instead believes other people's claims and his own made up fictional scenario. Sorry Doyle, this isn't going to work for you. Sarah Stanton herself debunks all the other claims with her own testimony that she gave on 11-23-63. If she was outside speaking with Buell Frazier and staring at him, she would have directly told the FBI that day. Sarah Stanton never even spoke of Frazier or staring at anyone. Your fake claim has been debunked by Sarah Stanton herself. Whining and denying isn't going to make the figure be Sarah Stanton.   

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Buell Frazier detailed many times in many interviews and statements that Sarah turned to him (just like Prayer Man does from Wiegman to Darnell) and said "I think she said the president has been shot" when reacting to Frazier's puzzlement over Calvery shouting on her way to the steps.

So again, Doyle is rejecting the FBI testimony that comes from Sarah Stanton herself. Doyle is calling Sarah Stanton a liar. This woman would have no reason to lie or leave that specific event out of her testimony if it actually happened. Sarah Stanton never testified to speaking with Buell Frazier on 11-23-63. Why can't you understand that Doyle?

Sarah Stanton said she immediately went inside the building after hearing three explosions and went upstairs to the second floor.  She specifically stated she was looking out the window to see what was happening. She never stated that she had any conversation or an encounter with Buell Frazier on that day. If she had that encounter, she would have made that her official statement. This event never happened.   

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So your comment above that Sarah didn't know the president had been shot is dead wrong and goes directly against what direct witness Buell Frazier said.

No Doyle, you are dead wrong. Your comment goes directly against Sarah Stanton's own FBI testimony. Sarah Stanton never spoke of Buell Frazier on 11-23-63. She immediately went inside the building after hearing three explosions and went upstairs to the second floor to look out the window to see what was happening. Her own testimony proves that she had no idea what was happening. If she did know, she would have told that to the FBI in her testimony. Doyle wants to use the story of Frazier since it fits his phony narrative, but calls the woman he believes is the prayer figure a liar because her testimony discredits his phony theory.       

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Carol Reed told me that she ran in directly...We see her doing that in Darnell while she is with Gloria Calvery on the steps...Carol Reed told me that when she got to the passenger elevator it didn't work because there was no electricity.

After the fact claims don't work in this situation Doyle, when Sarah Stanton herself stated to the FBI on 11-23-63 that she took the elevator up to the second floor. Doyle again is calling Sarah Stanton a liar and his claim of "no electricity" is bogus because there would be no reason not to have electricity.   

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It is proven FACT that Buell Frazier is staring at Sarah Stanton in Darnell when he is seen looking at Prayer Man for the entire length of the clip...Certain trolls never answered me when I pointed out that the Prayer Man people have failed to locate Stanton on the east side of Frazier as they claimed...

It is NOT a proven FACT that Buell Fraizer is staring at Sarah Stanton, becuase Sarah Stanton herself never said she saw or stared at Frazier in her FBI testimony. Stanton said she immediately went inside the building after hearing three explosions and went upstairs to the second floor. Doyle is making up his own facts so he can claim his phony prayer woman claim is correct. Doyle needs to deny the official testimony of Sarah Stanton and call her a liar so he can still claim his phony prayer woman claim.

Let's refresh Doyle's memory again....Where does Sarah Stanton say on 11-23-63 that she was staring at Frazier in shock for the longest time and was standing next to him?  Why would she not testify to this if it actually happened?

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives) "she was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."

Sarah Stanton: (11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

(3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley, Mr. Otis Williams, Mrs. T.B. Saunders, and Billy Lovelady.


Here is Sarah Stanton's official FBI testimony. Stanton never mentions any encounter with Buell Frazier or even seeing him next to her that day. She never mentioned staring at anybody or knowing that the President was shot. She immediately went inside the building after hearing three explosions and went upstairs to the second floor to look out a window to see what was happening. Her own testimony proves that she had no clue what was happening. Her own testimony refutes Doyle's phony claim and what Frazier tried to claim becuase her own testimony places her inside looking out the window on the second floor.

Doyle can deny it all he wants and can continue to claim he has "facts" but we have the official testimony of Sarah Stanton and her own words refutes everything Doyle or anybody else tries to claim. If Doyle rejects Sarah Stanton's testimony, then he is indeed calling Sarah Stanton a liar.
         
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 23, 2019, 11:46:03 PM
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What proof do you have that that clip was was filmed on Sunday?

Just because it was included in that History Channel (or whatever) program about Jack Ruby's shooting of Oswald?

Yes.

What evidence do you have that it was taken on Saturday?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 12:36:17 AM
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What evidence do you have that it was taken on Saturday?

John,

The fact that the woman with Leavelle looks like the woman Cooper filmed an hour or two after the assassination (which probably rules out Ruby's sister's being in the photo with Leavelle), the fact that the woman in both of those photos resembles the (mostly hidden) glasses-wearing woman who was standing next to Carolyn Arnold, Bonnie Richey, Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly in Wiegman, the fact that all of the above strongly resemble the woman with Bill Alexander on 11/22/63, and, for good measure, the fact that all of the above resemble the "Mrs. Robert A. Reid/Jeraldean Bray Reid" in "Brian Doyle's" 1967 color photo (in spite of the fact it was evidently taken at a lighter, almost "flirting" moment some four years later, and with a different "pose" and from a significantly different angle than any of those mentioned, above).

-- MWT  ;)


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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 12:52:06 AM
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Given your past track record on all things JFK, don't tell us, show us. Can you do that?

No can do, sweetheart.

I suggest that you go to the so-called Education Forum and read my "bio" there, as well as my 5,000 or so 8,224 posts.

If you do, you'll realize how truly confused and brainwashed by Oliver "I Like Vladimir Putin and My Son Works for RT" Stone, et al., I used to be.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 24, 2019, 01:14:02 AM
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John,

The fact that the woman with Leavelle looks like the woman Cooper filmed an hour or two after the assassination (which probably rules out Ruby's sister's being in the photo with Leavelle), the fact that the woman in both of those photos resembles the (mostly hidden) glasses-wearing woman who was standing next to Carolyn Arnold, Bonnie Richey, Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly in Wiegman, the fact that all of the above strongly resemble the woman with Bill Alexander on 11/22/63, and, for good measure, the fact that all of the above resemble the "Mrs. Robert A. Reid/Jeraldean Bray Reid" in "Brian Doyle's" 1967 color photo (in spite of the fact it was evidently taken at a lighter, almost "flirting" moment some four years later, and from a signifi- cantly different angle than any of those mentioned,  above).

The show mixed clips taken on Saturday with clips taken on Sunday...The woman next to Leavelle is Mrs Robert Reid...Her pocketbook strap is identical and her face is the same as the woman on the sidewalk...

There has to be a way to see if relatives of Jeraldean Bray Reid could compare the two photos or even offer other photos...

Is there any way to check Alexander's records to see if he wasn't at the Police Station on Sunday...Zambanini has proven the woman next to Leavelle is the same woman next to Alexander...We can ignore Iacoletti because he has proven himself to be uncredible...

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 02:18:38 AM
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The fact that the woman with Leavelle looks like the woman Cooper filmed an hour or two after the assassination (which probably rules out Ruby's sister's being in the photo with Leavelle), the fact that the woman in both of those photos resembles the (mostly hidden) glasses-wearing woman who was standing next to Carolyn Arnold, Bonnie Richey, Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly in Wiegman, the fact that all of the above strongly resemble the woman with Bill Alexander on 11/22/63, and, for good measure, the fact that all of the above resemble the "Mrs. Robert A. Reid/Jeraldean Bray Reid" in "Brian Doyle's" 1967 color photo (in spite of the fact it was evidently taken at a lighter, almost "flirting" moment some four years later, and with a different "pose" and from a significantly different angle than any of those mentioned, above).

Really? You think the 1967 Jeraldean Reid photo looks like any of the women with glasses? How so?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 02:21:16 AM
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No can do, sweetheart.

Notice how demeaning and sexist Tommy is when addressing women?

Of course you can’t show us. Your creative blob analyses never involve showing anything.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 02:26:20 AM
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The show mixed clips taken on Saturday with clips taken on Sunday...

No evidence of this whatsoever. Pure Doyle fabrication.

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The woman next to Leavelle is Mrs Robert Reid...Her pocketbook strap is identical and her face is the same as the woman on the sidewalk...

There’s no evidence that either one is named Reid.

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Zambanini has proven the woman next to Leavelle is the same woman next to Alexander...

There’s no evidence that the woman with Alexander is named Reid either. But when and where did Linda prove this? The longer you avoid the question, the more it becomes yet another Doyle falsehood.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 02:29:34 AM
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Notice how demeaning and sexist Tommy is when addressing women?

Of course you can’t show us. Your creative blob analyses never involve showing anything.

John,

Only when Bart Kamp I mean Bettina threatens to give me a JFK-like exit wound in the throat with one of her (probably KGB-developed) stiletto-heel tennis shoes.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Or maybe that Stanton guy, or maybe even Michael Clark's former tag-team partner at the EF, Paz Malverde [sic]?

(Who mysteriously became inactive shortly after I was banned there.)

Where's Michael Walton these days, btw?

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 02:42:42 AM
Are you accusing Bettina of being Bart Kamp?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 03:26:50 AM
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Are you accusing Bettina of being Bart Kamp?

John,

Well, she's gotta be somebody, right?

Heck, she could be that Stanton guy, or Michael Clark, for all I know.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Or have Vladimir's boys gone full-on "deep fake", already?


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 03:42:04 AM
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Well, she's gotta be somebody, right?

Don’t we all.

You wouldn’t be referring to somebody as something other than their forum name now would you?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 03:48:36 AM
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You wouldn’t be referring to somebody as something other than their forum name now would you?

Vlad John, why in this evil, evil, evil "Deep State" world would I do that?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 24, 2019, 05:32:13 AM
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Fascinating is the fact that in her 1964 WC testimony, Jeraldean Reid (AKA Mrs. Robert A. Reid) said she was standing near Ochus Campbell and Roy Truly some distance directly in front of the front steps during the assassination and that Campbell told her that the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area.

EDIT: I just read her 11/23/63 affidavit (see below). In it she says she was standing near Campbell but that someone else said the shots had come from the Grassy Knoll area. This is different from what she testified later to the Warren Commission.

Thomas,

I've read the testimony from Mrs. Robert A. Reid and there was nothing documented that Reid or Campbell stated that shots came from the grassy knoll. They are documented as saying they thought the shots came from the building or from down the street.


Mrs. Robert A. Reid (11-22-63 Affidavit to Dallas County, 24H223) “I was standing on the front steps of the building, as the parade drew near I walked closer to the street…Just after the President passed by I heard three shots.The first thing I thought of was someone was shooting at the President. I remarked to Mr. Campbell who was standing nearby that I thought the shots had come from our building. But I heard someone else say no, I think it was farther down the street. I went back into our building.”

Mrs. Robert A. Reid(11-26-63 FBI report, CD5 p.27) “She had observed the Presidential motorcade proceed down Elm Street from a position in front of the Texas School Book Depository, and had heard three shots which she later determined came from the above building. The only thing she noted was that the three shots had come from above somewhere.”

Mrs. Robert A Reid (12-4-63 sworn statement to the U.S. Secret Service, CD87 p798) "As the motorcade drove by I heard what sounded like three shots. I thought at the time that the shots had come from the School Book Depository Building."

Mrs. Robert A. Reid (12-7-63 Secret Service Report based on interviews conducted between 12-2 and 12-5, CD87 p785) "Mrs. Reid was standing on the street in front of the building and she heard three shots fired. She thought the shots had come from within the building."

Mrs. Robert A. Reid (3-25-64 testimony before the Warren Commission, 3H270-281) (When asked if she was standing directly in front of the main entrance to the depository building at th etime of the shots) "That is correct." (When describing the shots) "I was naturally watching for the car as the President came by. I looked at him and I was very anxious to see Mrs. Kennedy. I looked at her and I was going to see how she was dressed and she was dressed very attractive and she put up her hand to her hat and was holding it on, the wind was blowing a little bit and then went on right on by me and that is the last as far as the parade, I mean as far as they were concerned. I did see Johnson, and that was it. I can't even tell you any more about the parade because after the shots I didn't know any part about that... I heard three shots...And I turned to Mr. Campbell and I said, "Oh, my goodness, I am afraid those came from our building," because it seemed like they came just so directly over my head, and then I looked up in the windows, and saw three colored boys up there, I only recognized one because I didn't know the rest of them so well...James Jarman.

So, neither Mrs. Robert A Reid or Campbell stated anything about shots coming from the grassy knoll, it was always a building in these testimonies.

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 05:58:46 AM
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Thomas,

I've read the testimony from Mrs. Robert A. Reid and there was nothing documented that Reid or Campbell stated that shots came from the grassy knoll. They are documented as saying they thought the shots came from the building or from down the street.

. . . . .


So, neither Mrs. Robert A Reid or Campbell stated anything about shots coming from the grassy knoll, it was always a building in these testimonies.

 

Rick,

Although I personally believe all three shots came from the TSBD, according to Reid's WC testimony, Cambell told her the shots had come from the grassy area down near the end of the street, i.e., the Grassy Knoll.

.....

Mr. BELIN. Before you turned and went back into the building did you---did Mr. Campbell say anything to you?

Mrs. REID. He said, "Oh, Mrs. Reid, no, it came from the grassy area down this way," and that was the last I said to him.

Mr. BELIN. All right. When he said "this way" which direction was he pointing?

Mrs. REID. Well, I hope I get my directions. In the direction of the parade was going, in the bottom of that direction.

--  MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 06:49:22 PM
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Mr Graves,

Listen you chauvinistic sexist pig, you address me as Bettina Krotsch and only as Bettina Krotsch, or nothing at all. Is that understood?

One more time with your condescending and demeaning sexist 'sweetheart' or 'hon' and you'll see exactly where it lands you. Is that understood?

You address me as my full forum name from now on Mr Graves and nothing else. Is that understood?

Now Mr Graves, kindly go piss up a rope you chauvinistic pig. Is that understood?

Dear Bettina,

You sound as though you're in a real groove!

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 24, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
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Dear Bettina,

You sound as though you're in a real groove!

--  MWT  ;)

There was another low post count t**** who used to say you will only address me by my so and so title...I forget who it was but it was earlier this year...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 10:26:59 PM
Just so we're clear here.  This is who Tom is convinced are Truly and Campbell:

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/toms-truly-campbell.png)

And this is who Tom is convinced is Jeraldean Reid:

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/toms-reid.png)

PS.  LOL
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 24, 2019, 11:30:24 PM
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The following is my since-edited July 27, 2015 post on the second page of the EF thread, "Where Was Roy Truly Right After The Last Shot Was Fired?" [/b]
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22100-where-was-roy-truly-right-after-the-last-shot-was-fired/page/2/

After reading this thread in its entirety, it's more clear than ever to me that there was never any reason to call this woman "Mrs Reid".  The only basis for doing so was because she was standing near (but not at the elbow of) a person that was speculated to be Ochus Campbell (for no particular reason), and she "looks about 50 years old".

Interestingly neither Richey, Dragoo, Baker, Johnson, or Arnold mention Mrs Reid having been with them.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 24, 2019, 11:57:13 PM
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After reading this thread in its entirety, it's more clear than ever to me that there was never any reason to call this woman "Mrs Reid".  The only basis for doing so was because she was standing near (but not at the elbow of) a person that was speculated to be Ochus Campbell (for no particular reason), and she "looks about 50 years old".

Interestingly neither Richey, Dragoo, Baker, Johnson, or Arnold mention Mrs Reid having been with them.

John,

For no particular reason?

LOL. You just made that up.

Truly and Campbell said they were together, and Roy "Shorty" Truly (who said in his WC testimony that he had a hard time seeing over the crowd) can be seen (in the street, himself, or "perched" on the sidewalk) behind Campbell in Wiegman.
 
Do you agree that I've correctly spotted suit-and-"trilby"-wearing Truly in Wiegman, or is he too "blobish" for you to say?

If that is Truly, then where in the world is Campbell if he's not the guy in the curving line, standing not only near Truly, but next to Bonnie Richey and Carolyn Arnold (and Mrs. Jeraldean Reid), just as he said he was in his March 19, 1964 statement to the FBI?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Or is that a "fedora" he's wearing?

PPS  Shy Denis M. is viewing, viewing , viewing ...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 25, 2019, 12:58:32 AM
She went on the street by herself, not following anyone. Not surprising that nobody mentioned her. There are days like these when you're invisible. Nobody talks to you, nobody cares.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 25, 2019, 01:02:21 AM
I now know the name of the photographer and for which organisation he was working who took this photo of several police officers. This was the same day as Mrs. Reid testified. It could be different times during the day. This organisation may have a photo of Mrs. Reid.

https://postimg.cc/xqMc56J7
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 01:04:31 AM
Thanks Denis. I appreciate that you look for real evidence rather than creative blob interpretation.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 01:23:42 AM
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I now know the name of the photographer and for which organisation he was working who took this photo of several police officers. This was the same day as Mrs. Reid testified. It could be different times during the day. This organisation may have a photo of Mrs. Reid.

https://postimg.cc/xqMc56J7

John and Denis,

Please see my two most-recent posts on the "Betzner-2" thread in the other section.

And take a look at glasses-wearing Reid in Linda Giovanna Zambanini's red-and-white labeled Betzner-2 blow-up on page 9 of the EF thread "Where Was Roy Truly Right After The Last Shot Was Fired?" to get the best view of Reid's glasses, which, by the way, remind me of John's original labeling of the black-headscarf-wearing gal directly behind the Queen Mary in Betzner-3 as "Glasses Woman" -- until he realized that Gloria Calvery wore glasses -- LOL.

Scroll down until you find that long horizontal Betzner-2 blow up on which Linda used red and white letters to label the people with.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22100-where-was-roy-truly-right-after-the-last-shot-was-fired/page/9/

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 01:27:33 AM
How do you even know Jeraldean Reid wore glasses?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 01:33:41 AM
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How do you even know Jeraldean Reid wore glasses?

Here we go again, eh, John?

How do you know the blue thing on the head of one of your Bermuda shorts-wearing guys on the Pergola Patio in Towner wasn't a Baby-Boy-Blue-colored headscarf?

LOL

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Thanks for suggesting that the "blob" between Baker and Dragoo is wearing glasses.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 01:44:36 AM
I’m not talking about the blob you decided to name Reid. How do you know the actual Jeraldean Reid wore glasses?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 02:32:18 AM
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I’m not talking about the blob you decided to name Reid. How do you know the actual Jeraldean Reid wore glasses?

John,

Because she's wearing them in Wiegman and in Betzner-2, because she's wearing them with Alexander, because she's wearing them in Cooper, because she's wearing them with Leavelle on Saturday, and because in at least one of those photographic images we can see her wearing those glasses holder thingies that are very practical for an office worker like Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid) to wear?

Beats the heck outta me.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Denis Morissette is viewing, viewing, viewing ...

PPS  Or ... gasp ... am I confusing her with one of Jack Ruby's sisters?

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 02:58:11 AM
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Because she's wearing them in Wiegman and in Betzner-2, because she's wearing them with Alexander, because she's wearing them in Cooper, because she's wearing them with Leavelle on Saturday, and because in at least one of those photographic images we can see her wearing those glasses holder thingies that are very practical for an office worker like Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid) to wear?

You realize how circular this argument is, right?

She’s Mrs Reid because she’s Mrs Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 03:11:02 AM
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You realize how circular this argument is, right?

She’s Mrs Reid because she’s Mrs Reid.

John,

Really?  Gee, I didn't  realize I was doing that to make a point.

Hmm

Well, how do you explain away all of those (to you) "unrelated coincidences"?

"Ruby's sister musta been in Dealey Plaza that day, etc, etc, etc"?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 25, 2019, 04:04:24 AM
That's not Ruby's sister with Leavelle. Linda Z. compared the nose, and she said it's not her. Linda knows noses!
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 04:17:30 AM

It is not her just by the eyeglasses...

We have established the woman is Mrs Robert Reid...There must be ways to get more photos or find relatives...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 05:13:08 AM
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We have established the woman is Mrs Robert Reid.

"You just made that up, Doyle.  Fabrication number fifty-thousand-and-one."

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 05:45:40 AM
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"Ruby's sister musta been in Dealey Plaza that day, etc, etc, etc"?

Uh... nobody has actually established that the woman sitting by Leavelle on Sunday was in Dealey Plaza.

Or that she is named Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 05:47:18 AM
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"You just made that up, Doyle.  Fabrication number fifty-thousand-and-one."

Yup. Doyle thinks that if he claims something then he has proven it.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 05:57:40 AM
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Yup. Doyle thinks that if he claims something then he has proven it.

John,

Actually I was parodying you.

That's why I put it in quotation marks.

--  MWT   ;)
 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 06:55:15 AM
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Actually I was parodying you.

I know. But Doyle really is making it up. As usual.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 07:30:19 AM
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Uh... nobody has actually established that the woman sitting by Leavelle on Sunday was in Dealey Plaza.

Or that she is named Reid.

John,

1)  She who?

2) In your opinion, what would it take to "establish" either of those things, given the fact that Campbell and Truly were the only two people Reid said she was with during the motorcade, that Truly and Campbell said they were with each other during the motorcade, that she and Campbell were evidently within speaking distance of each other, that Campbell said that Carolyn Arnold and Bonnie Richey were also "at his elbow," and that Jim Leavelle took her statement on Saturday?

--  MWT  ;)

Edit:  Crickets ..

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
First of all, stuff it with your condescending “crickets” crap. Nobody wants to be your “all-nighter” buddy.

Second of all, your evidence for Campbell is just as laughable as your evidence for Reid. You don’t know what either of them looked like.

Third, the person who you want to be Reid isn’t next to the person you want to be Campbell.

Fourth, it’s not like you have any basis for identifying Arnold and Richey in Wiegman either.

Fifth, nobody’s established that Leavelle is taking a statement, that it’s Saturday, or that this is even the same woman.

The entire argument is based on a series of smoke and mirrors. Just like with Calvery and with Stanton.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 03:02:05 PM

Thomas:

I'm ignoring Iacoletti because I consider him a nay-sayer t**** who disingenuously pretends he doesn't see evidence and makes skeptical questions doubting everything...

It is pretty much established that the woman in all three black and white images is Mrs Robert Reid...The image next to Leavelle is Saturday because that is when Leavelle interviewed Mrs Reid...Even though Iacoletti pretends he can't see it, the pocketbook strap on the woman in Cooper is identical to the pocketbook strap of the woman next to Leavelle and that is a positive match...

I don't know where to check for Alexander's daily reports but I am guessing we will find that he wasn't standing around with any ladies in the Homicide Office on Sunday...Nor was Leavelle reading any transcripts with relaxed posture on Sunday when he just had his main suspect in a presidential assassination shot out from under him...

I don't see what point you think you are serving by giving undue attention to what is an obvious attention-seeking t****...

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 04:11:44 PM

Here Iacoletti has Mrs Reid smiling with Alexander on Sunday's shooting day:

https://postimg.cc/bdhdLXLN
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 05:41:59 PM
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It is pretty much established that the woman in all three black and white images is Mrs Robert Reid...

No, it hasn't been established at all.  Somebody (nobody seems to know who) once guessed that these ladies were Reid, it got labeled that way on a photo and everyone else just ran with it.  But now we have the yearbook photo.  Denis is on the right track.  Find somebody who actually knew what Reid looked like in 1963.

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The image next to Leavelle is Saturday because that is when Leavelle interviewed Mrs Reid...

That's a painfully circular argument.  Which is not surprising coming from you.

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Even though Iacoletti pretends he can't see it, the pocketbook strap on the woman in Cooper is identical to the pocketbook strap of the woman next to Leavelle and that is a positive match...

Yeah, you call everything you think looks similar "forensically proven to be identical".  They both have straps, that's it.  Most purses have straps.

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I don't know where to check for Alexander's daily reports but I am guessing we will find that he wasn't standing around with any ladies in the Homicide Office on Sunday...

Yeah, except you haven't proven that Alexander's lady is Leavelle's lady either.

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Nor was Leavelle reading any transcripts with relaxed posture on Sunday when he just had his main suspect in a presidential assassination shot out from under him...

How could you possibly know what Leavelle was doing on Sunday?  Oh yeah, you just made it up.

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I don't see what point you think you are serving by giving undue attention to what is an obvious attention-seeking t****...

People like you who lie about what witnesses said and spread misinformation deserve ridicule, not attention.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 05:43:23 PM
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Here Iacoletti has Mrs Reid smiling with Alexander on Sunday's shooting day:

There is no reason whatsoever to think that this person is Jeraldean Reid.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 05:45:46 PM

Iacoletti is up to his usual disingenuous word tricks...

The woman is Mrs Robert Reid...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 25, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
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Iacoletti is up to his usual disingenuous word tricks...

The woman is Mrs Robert Reid...

..... because I said so, right?

I thought you had Mssr. Iacoletti on ignore, Albut.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 05:58:33 PM
No, because of all the evidence you are t***ishly ignoring...

The similar face and identical pocketbook strap confirms the woman in the Cooper film and next to Leavelle are the same person...

You t****s never explain who that woman is if she's being interviewed at the police station other than Mrs Reid?...You pose yourself as having a superior position yet reality shows you offer the weakest, most dishonest, and evasive stuff...

It is Mrs Reid because the woman is where Mrs Reid is said to be in the testimony and the obvious reason she was interviewed at the police station was because she was a Depository employee...

The issue here is whether the Jeraldean Reid seen in Sarah Stanton's photo album is a different person than this Mrs Robert Reid...If so then Groden is surprisingly exonerated...

The Education Forum has no credibility because it ignores this serious evidence for reasons of personal spite and James Gordon making sure Bart Kamp is served...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 06:04:57 PM
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The similar face and identical pocketbook strap confirms the woman in the Cooper film and next to Leavelle are the same person...

You forgot to actually demonstrate how you know they are identical.

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You t****s never explain who that woman is if she's being interviewed at the police station other than Mrs Reid?...

Why, when you have yet to explain why her name is Reid.  Or how you even know she is "being interviewed".

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It is Mrs Reid because the woman is where Mrs Reid is said to be in the testimony

Really?  Reid testified to being at the station next to Leavelle on Sunday?  When?

Or do you mean the woman who was supposedly in front of the depository entrance and at Campbell's elbow during the motorcade?

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 07:14:56 PM

Any reasonable person can see they are identical with the naked eye...

Iacoletti always trims his responses to the bare minimum because he's trying to avoid admitting that not only is the strap the same but so are the eyeglasses and hair...Not to mention body shape and height...

It's Mrs Robert Reid and those who pretend we haven't proven this should be ignored...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 07:39:37 PM
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First of all, stuff it with your condescending “crickets” crap. Nobody wants to be your “all-nighter” buddy.

Second of all, your evidence for Campbell is just as laughable as your evidence for Reid. You don’t know what either of them looked like.

Third, the person who you want to be Reid isn’t next to the person you want to be Campbell.

Fourth, it’s not like you have any basis for identifying Arnold and Richey in Wiegman either.

Fifth, nobody’s established that Leavelle is taking a statement, that it’s Saturday, or that this is even the same woman.

The entire argument is based on a series of smoke and mirrors. Just like with Calvery and with Stanton.

John,

Does the fact you didn't mention Roy Truly in your post mean you think I spotted him correctly in Wiegman, or do you want to challenge that, too?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 07:53:04 PM
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Any reasonable person can see they are identical with the naked eye...

So we're back to "because I said so".

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Iacoletti always trims his responses to the bare minimum because he's trying to avoid admitting that not only is the strap the same but so are the eyeglasses and hair...Not to mention body shape and height...

You make a lot of claims that you can't actually demonstrate are true.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 07:55:31 PM
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Does the fact you didn't mention Roy Truly in your post mean you think I spotted him correctly in Wiegman, or do you want to challenge that, too?

How should I know?  But let me remind you of what we have to work with here:

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/toms-truly-campbell.png)

But it was Campbell specifically who said that Reid was at his elbow.  Your Reid candidate is not at the elbow of either of them.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 08:16:00 PM
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How should I know?  But let me remind you of what we have to work with here:

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/toms-truly-campbell.png)

But it was Campbell specifically who said that Reid was at his elbow.

John,

Can you possibly conceive that "at my elbow" was nothing but an old-timey turn of phrase which meant "quite near"?

On the other hand (pardon the pun), if Campbell literally meant at, or practically touching, his elbow (singular), how could we expect the three women he mentioned: Bonnie Richie, Carolyn Arnold, and Mrs. Reid, to physically crowd around him in such a way as all be practically touching his right or his left (you've got to choose one or the other) elbow?

"If it takes one man one hour to paint a chair, how long would it take ten men to paint it?"

Serious students and researchers will note that Cambell, in his 1963 "third person" FBI statement, allegedly told said organization that he was standing about 30 feet in front of the TSBD entrance, and that the sequence of "Richey, Arnold, Reid" he mentioned in his March 1964 FBI statement is the exact sequence Linda Giovanna Zambanini has identified those women, (using high school photos, etc, for Richey and Arnold) as standing in, in relation to Campbell.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 09:18:41 PM
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Can you possibly conceive that "at my elbow" was nothing but an old-timey turn of phrase which meant "quite near"?

Only to somebody who has a vested interest in her not being at his elbow.

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Serious students and researchers will note that Cambell, in his 1963 "third person" FBI statement, allegedly told said organization that he was standing about 30 feet in front of the TSBD entrance, and that the sequence of "Richey, Arnold, Reid" he mentioned in his March 1964 FBI statement is the exact sequence Linda Giovanna Zambanini has identified those women, (using high school photos, etc, for Richey and Arnold) as standing in, in relation to Campbell.

And good work she did.  But she didn't find a photo of Campbell.  And, as I already pointed out, Richey and Arnold didn't mention being with Reid.

But the best argument for the misidentification of Reid is to compare the known photograph of her to the proposed candidate.

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/jeraldean-bray-yearbook.png)
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/fake-reid-in-cook.png)

Doyle of course resolves this dilemma by fabricating a ridiculous "two Mrs Reids" story rather than just considering that the woman outside the depository is not Mrs Reid and never was.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 09:29:45 PM
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...

And good work [Linda Giovanna Zambanini] did. But she didn't find a photo of Campbell.  And, as I've already pointed out, Richey and Arnold didn't mention being with Reid.

But the best argument for the misidentification of Reid is to compare the known photograph of her to the proposed candidate.

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/jeraldean-bray-yearbook.png)
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/fake-reid-in-cook.png)

Doyle of course resolves this dilemma by fabricating a ridiculous "two Mrs Reids" story rather than just considering that the woman outside the depository is not Mrs Reid and never was.

John,

There's a third possibility you haven't mentioned: All of the photos are of Jeraldean.

Reid was standing several feet to Richey's and Arnold's right (and behind Baker and Dragoo), so maybe they simply didn't notice her.

Should they have mentioned every person standing near them that they knew?

LOL

Regarding Jeraldean's high school photo which was taken 35 years earlier-- Big deal, so she had her jaw lowered in a sultry-kind-of-way. And not only that, but she's got her head turned directly towards the camera, which makes it look even longer.

Btw, how does her highschool photo of her compare with Brian's color photo of her?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
Not very well.

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/jeraldean-1967.jpg)

But given Doyle's track record of dishonesty, how do we even know that this photo is of Reid either?  He claimed it was labeled, but we've never seen the label.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 09:52:06 PM
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Not very well.

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/jeraldean-1967.jpg)

But given Doyle's track record of dishonesty, how do we even know that this photo is of Reid either?  He claimed it was labeled, but we've never seen the label.

John,

Like those three gals near Campbell in Wiegman and Betzner-2, you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

You're gonna have to decide exactly which elbow, metaphorically speaking, your gonna rub your back up against, and all three of you are gonna have to rub against the same one.

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 25, 2019, 10:06:36 PM

Iacoletti has denied himself in to a corner...

He always trims his responses to the minimum...In this case it is because he doesn't want to answer why Leavelle is interviewing an unnamed stranger...

The woman in the black and white photos with the glasses is Mrs Robert Reid and it gives veracity to a very far out theory I would not touch otherwise if I hadn't accidentally stumbled on proof for it...

I think Moricet is proud of me and cheering me on...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 10:15:47 PM
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He always trims his responses to the minimum...In this case it is because he doesn't want to answer why Leavelle is interviewing an unnamed stranger...

Who said she was a stranger?  You haven't demonstrated that Leavelle is interviewing anyone.

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The woman in the black and white photos with the glasses is Mrs Robert Reid and it gives veracity to a very far out theory I would not touch otherwise if I hadn't accidentally stumbled on proof for it...

Claiming something over and over again doesn't make it a fact.  Doing nothing but whining "take my word for it" over and over again is not a compelling argument.

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I think Moricet is proud of me and cheering me on...

No such person. 

Morissette has already stated this:

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John, we don't have anyone, yet, confirming this is Reid in any of these black and white images.

That's the difference between him and you.  He's an honest researcher and you're a lying charlatan.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 10:25:20 PM
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You're gonna have to decide exactly which elbow, metaphorically speaking, your gonna rub your back up against, and all three of you are gonna have to rub against the same one.

Can you translate this from wrassler-speak to English?

Until someone can actually verify Reid's identity with something more definitive than a series of wild-ass guesses, we are left with the 1930 yearbook photo and several question marks.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 25, 2019, 10:30:57 PM
I'm not sure if that portion of the Cooper film is available on YouTube, so I have just made one. They're standing still with their backs against the wall. They behave as if they knew each other.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 10:33:45 PM
Thanks Denis.  Unger's images on the jfkassassinationgallery are a lot clearer, but I don't know what his source was.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 25, 2019, 10:41:36 PM
The quality of this clip is not better in the CSPN program.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 10:43:02 PM
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Until someone can actually verify Reid's identity with something more definitive than a series of wild-ass guesses, we are left with the 1930 yearbook photo and several question marks.

John,

How, theoretically speaking, could that be done?

Ask any of her surviving colleagues to identify her in the photos?

Would that be good enough for you (if they were to make a notarized statement, or say it in film, that is)?

Photos of her from her family album?

Anything else?

Ochus Campbell said he was standing about 30 feet in front of the front entrance.

That would put him in that curving line in the street, wouldn't it?

Can you find any man standing about 30 feet in front of the front entrance who might be Texas School Book Company President (and therefore probably suit-wearing) Ochus V. Campbell?

Okay, I'll make it easy for you -- let's say he wasn't wearing a suit that day, but "business casual" clothes, or overalls, or ... gasp ... Bermuda shorts! Can you find any man (other than Linda's and my candidate) standing about 30 feet in front of the TSBD entrance who might be Ochus Campbell ... with, of course, at least three women "at his elbow"?

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 11:01:49 PM
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I'm not sure if that portion of the Cooper film is available on YouTube, so I have just made one. They're standing still with their backs against the wall. They behave as if they knew each other.


Thank you, Denis.

Interesting, isn't it, that Linda Giovanna Zambanini has identified those three women as (from left to right) Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid)

Just curious:  Do you agree with Linda's assessment?

(Or would you rather not say?)

--  MWT  ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 25, 2019, 11:05:20 PM
My goal was not to post the best images, but the most complete clip of that scene.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
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Iacoletti has denied himself in to a corner...

He always trims his responses to the minimum...In this case it is because he doesn't want to answer why Leavelle is interviewing an unnamed stranger...

The woman in the black and white photos with the glasses is Mrs Robert Reid and it gives veracity to a very far out theory I would not touch otherwise if I hadn't accidentally stumbled on proof for it...

I think Moricet is proud of me and cheering me on...

Brian,

I think you're only about half-right, and suffering from delusions of grandeur.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 11:09:46 PM
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John,

How, theoretically speaking, could that be done?

Ask any of her surviving colleagues to identify her in the photos?

Would that be good enough for you (if they were to make a notarized statement, or say it in film, that is)?

Photos of her from her family album?

Anything else?

Yes, any of those would be better than "hey, this woman looks about 50 and she's kinda sorta standing near a guy I think might be Campbell".

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Can you find any man standing about 30 feet in front of the front entrance who might be Texas School Book Company President (and therefore probably suit-wearing) Ochus V. Campbell?

No, because I have no idea what Campbell looked like (and neither do you).  And also, let's face it, if you did know what Campbell looked like, you still have to somehow match it to this:

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/toms-truly-campbell.png)

And we're back to wild-ass guess mode.

There are a lot of blurry blobs in Wiegman that could be men and are vaguely in front of the building and have blobs in their general vicinity that could be Mrs Reid. Wiegman is really no help.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 11:18:27 PM
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Yes, any of those would be better than "hey, this woman looks about 50 and she's kinda sorta standing near a guy I think might be Campbell".

No, because I have no idea what Campbell looked like (and neither do you).  And also, let's face it, if you did know what Campbell looked like, you still have to somehow match it to this:

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/toms-truly-campbell.png)

And we're back to wild-ass guess mode.

There are a lot of blurry blobs in Wiegman that could be men and are vaguely in front of the building and have blobs in their general vicinity that could be Mrs Reid. Wiegman is really no help.

John,

It's all wild-ass guesses and blobs for you for one reason and one reason, only.  Well two, actually.

To refute everything Doyle says, and ... well ... can you spell A-G-E-N-D-A?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
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It's all wild-ass guesses and blobs for you for one reason and one reason, only.  Well two, actually.

To refute everything Doyle says, and ... well ... can you spell A-G-E-N-D-A?

What, my agenda to rob Jeraldean Reid of her rightful identity?  A wild-ass guess stated confidently is still a wild-ass guess.

And Doyle refutes himself with his blatant falsehoods.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 11:32:11 PM
Reid said she got her jacket and scarf before leaving the building.  Where is your candidate woman's scarf?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 11:38:51 PM
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Reid said she got her jacket and scarf before leaving the building.  Where is your candidate woman's scarf?

John,

If you're talking about the woman in Cooper, does she have to be wearing it, especially since it's a couple of hours later and the weather's cleared up, or do you think she might have put it in her purse or her jacket pocket?

See lots of other women wearing headscarves around the time Cooper filmed Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Mrs. X, do you?


Nice try, John. Seriously, and I really do mean it.

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 11:45:43 PM
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Does she have to be wearing it, especially since it's a couple of hours later and the weather's cleared up, or do you give he permission to put it in her purse or her jacket pocket??

You sure make a lot of excuses for why your wild-ass guess must still be Reid.

- She put her scarf in her purse
- She didn't really mean right in front of the entrance
- Campbell didn't really mean at his elbow
- Arnold, Richey, Dragoo, Baker, and Johnson just didn't notice her there
- They spliced a Saturday film in Sunday news footage
- She dropped her jaw to look sultry

LOL
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 11:48:54 PM
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Reid said she got her jacket and scarf before leaving the building.  Where is your candidate woman's scarf?

Fill us in John.

Before leaving the building to watch the motorcade, or to go home?

If the former, couldn't she have decided when she got down there in the street with the other gals and Mr. Campbell and Mr. Truly that she didn't need to wear it after all?

If the latter, couldn't it be in her purse or her pocket, seein' how the weather's even nicer now?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 25, 2019, 11:51:42 PM
Before leaving the building to watch the motorcade.

And if you're going to resort to "could bes" now, it "could be" that this woman is somebody other than Jeraldean Reid.  Particularly when there is still ZERO evidence that she is.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 25, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
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You sure make a lot of excuses for why your wild-ass guess must still be Reid.

- She put her scarf in her purse
- She didn't really mean right in front of the entrance
- Campbell didn't really mean at his elbow
- Arnold, Richey, Dragoo, Baker, and Johnson just didn't notice her there
- They spliced a Saturday film in Sunday news footage
- She dropped her jaw to look sultry


John,

Well, do you take her "right in front of the entrance" to mean on the steps or on the sidewalk, but not standing at a spot in the curving line, about thirty feet directly in front of the entrance?

Did she really say that, btw?

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Is "wild ass" your favorite new expression?

PPS  Campbell said all three of those women were "at his elbow," but how is that humanly possible?

(And Reid was the last one in the sequence that he used, signifying that she was the farthest away of the three.)

Do you really think all three of them were within six inches, or so, of one (but only one) of his elbows?

LOL


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 12:06:02 AM
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PS  Is "wild ass" your favorite new expression?

No, but it's your favorite form of "evidence".
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 12:24:20 AM
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No, but it's your favorite form of "evidence".

John,

I see.

Well, since you apparently missed the questions I asked you in my previous post, here they are again, slightly edited and augmented:

Do you take Reid's "right in front of the entrance" to mean on the steps or on the sidewalk, but not standing at a spot in the curving line of people, a spot about thirty feet more-or-less in front of the entrance?  Would you expect someone standing in that curving line of people in the street to remember exactly where they were standing, in relation to the entrance, after witnessing JFK get murdered?

Did she really say "right in front of the entrance," btw, or did Belin kinda lead her into saying "directly in front of the entrance"?  There is a subtle difference.

Not that it matters, because I believe Roberdeau got "Stetson Man" and Reid correctly placed on his 2012 map, and they are both standing pretty much "in front of the entrance," wouldn't you agree, albeit about 30 feet away?

(You can find his map by googling roberdeau map)

Ochus Campbell said all three of those women (Richey, Arnold and Reid) were "at his elbow," but how is that physically possible?

Note that Reid was the last one in the sequence that he used, signifying that she was the farthest away of the three.

Do you really think all three of them were within six inches, or so, of one (but only one) of his elbows?

Or do you think he meant both elbows?

-- MWT   :D

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 12:40:18 AM
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Before leaving the building to watch the motorcade.

And if you're going to resort to "could bes" now, it "could be" that this woman is somebody other than Jeraldean Reid.  Particularly when there is still ZERO evidence that she is.

John,

Has hyperbole always been your modus operandi?

There's plenty of evidence, both photographic and text document-wise.  It's mostly circumstantial in nature, and its proper interpretation is dependent on the proper interpretation and understanding of the 11/22/63 images, and the statements, and the high school photos, etc, of various interconnected-on-11/22/63- and-11/23/63 other people who were also captured in Wiegman and Betzner-2, or who were photographed later (like Leavelle) interacting with "Mrs. X".

But evidently you're not smart enough to connect the dots and figure it out.

Or maybe you are, but you feel compelled to refute everything Brian Doyle says, and in-so doing, you throw out the wheat with the chaff.

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Funny.  I thought you wanted to solve the JFK assassination, but maybe "defending" Oswald at whatever the (integrity and reputation) cost is the only thing you can think of, and you don't realize that that approach just might be getting in the way of your ever catching the bad guys (and/or bad girls).
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 01:17:48 AM
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(And Reid was the last one in the sequence that he used, signifying that she was the farthest away of the three.)

LOL

That argument is particularly Doyle-like.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 01:24:13 AM
Sorry, Tom, your usual Graves gallop of a flood of questions in lieu of evidence is not going to work. You’re free to speculate to your heart’s content about what people could have meant.

Hell, you’re even free to go ahead and guess that this is Reid with a changed appearance until actual evidence shows up. Just be honest and admit it’s a guess rather than being like Doyle and calling it proven.

There’s a difference between connecting the dots and fabricating the dots.

But I’m still trying to figure out what identifying Reid has to do with solving the JFK assassination. Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 01:34:38 AM
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LOL

That argument is particularly Doyle-like.

John,

Three people standing somewhat spread out in a line of people.  Identified (based on normal, everyday photographs and FBI statements, etc) by Linda Giovanni Zambanini as just coincidentally standing in the same sequence, from right-to-left, as Campbell happened to mention their names.

I know it's not astrological, but how many permutations are there for those those three women as far as the sequences are concerned?

In other words, what's the probability of the Wiegman frame's matching exactly what Campbell said in that regard, if, that is Linda has identified Richey. Arnold and Reid correctly?

You're a lot better at math than I am.  I only scored at the 75th percentile on that.

Which I think is pretty bad, right?

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 01:37:34 AM
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Only to somebody who has a vested interest in her not being at his elbow.

And good work she did.  But she didn't find a photo of Campbell.  And, as I already pointed out, Richey and Arnold didn't mention being with Reid.

But the best argument for the misidentification of Reid is to compare the known photograph of her to the proposed candidate.

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/jeraldean-bray-yearbook.png)
(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/fake-reid-in-cook.png)

Doyle of course resolves this dilemma by fabricating a ridiculous "two Mrs Reids" story rather than just considering that the woman outside the depository is not Mrs Reid and never was.


It's clearly obvious that this not the same woman You can tell by the different distinct facial features. The woman on the bottom has a totally different nose, jaw line, and chin than Reid on top

Reid on top, has a wide nose and the woman on the bottom has more of a thin hook nose. That ends this bogus claim right there. Case close. A person has to be delusional to claim this is the same woman.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 01:38:48 AM
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Sorry, Tom, your usual Graves gallop of a flood of questions in lieu of evidence is not going to work. You’re free to speculate to your heart’s content about what people could have meant.

Hell, you’re even free to go ahead and guess that this is Reid with a changed appearance until actual evidence shows up. Just be honest and admit it’s a guess rather than being like Doyle and calling it proven.

There’s a difference between connecting the dots and fabricating the dots.

But I’m still trying to figure out what identifying Reid has to do with solving the JFK assassination. Care to elaborate?

John,

I asked first.

If you can't answer them, why don't you just "throw in the towel"?

Let's try again with just one:  Did Reid say, "right in front of the entrance," or did Belin kinda lead her into saying "directly in front of the entrance"?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 01:49:57 AM
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It's clearly obvious that this not the same woman You can tell by the different distinct facial features. The woman on the bottom has a totally different nose, jaw line, and chin than Reid on top

Reid on top, has a wide nose and the woman on the bottom has more of a thin hook nose. That ends this bogus claim right there. Case close. A person has to be delusional to claim this is the same woman.

Rick,

"Clearly obvious"

Isn't that a bit redundant?

Thanks for your precious opinion, but there were 35 years between the photographs, she was still in high school in the first one, she has her head turned directly towards the camera it, and I'm saying it's possible that they are one and the same person.

Easier to see in the GIF John Mytton posted which "morphed together" frames shot of her with Leavelle on 11/23, and frames from Cooper on 11/22.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Denis is viewing, viewing, viewing

Has he expressed an opinion on all of this, yet?

(Maybe I missed it.)

PPS  And in the remote chance the color photo turns out to not be Reid, then I put that on "photo lab tech" money-grubbin' over-the-top CTer Robert Groden and gullible "There were two Oswalds in the TSBD" CTer, Brian Doyle.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 02:00:39 AM
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Rick,

"Clearly obvious"

Isn't that a bit redundant?

Thanks for your precious opinion, but there were 35 years between the photographs, she was still in high school in the first one, and she has her head turned directly towards the camera it, and I'm saying it's possible that they are one and the same person.

Easier to see in the GIF John Mytton posted which "morphed together" frames shot of her with Leavelle on 11/23, and frames from Cooper on 11/22.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Denis is viewing, viewing, viewing ...

Has he expressed an opinion on all of this, yet?

(Maybe I missed it.)

Sorry Thomas, a wide nose from High School doesn't become thin and hooked as you get older. A woman with no pronounced jaw line doesn't grow one as she becomes older. Are you saying she had plastic surgery after High School?

I don't see it being a "bit redundant" at all. No matter if it's a photo of a side profile or an older photo, this is not the same woman. The noses are different and this is not the same woman. That should be obvious to anybody looking at it. Why would you think the noses are the same?       
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 02:07:12 AM
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Easier to see in the GIF John Mytton posted which "morphed together" frames shot of her with Leavelle on 11/23, and frames from Cooper on 11/22.

Mytton's "morphed together" GIF makes it all the more obvious that this is not the same woman. The noses are completely different. One is wide and the other is thin       
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 02:36:00 AM
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Mytton's "morphed together" GIF makes it all the more obvious that this is not the same woman. The noses are completely different. One is wide and the other is thin     

Rick,

Okay.

Well, I guess Brian got duped, and/or Linda found the wrong Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Bray Reid), and/or that really was Jack Ruby's sister in Wiegman and Betzner-2, and/or in Cooper on 11/22, and/or with Alexander on 11/22, and/or with Leavelle on Sunday, 11/24/63, ...

... or not.

Did I miss anything?

-- MWT  ;)

PS  It's funny that I spotted Roy Truly in Wiegman, and that Linda and I spotted Ochus Campbell standing near him, and that the only four people Campbell mentioned as standing near him during the motorcade were Truly, Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Jeraldean Reid, and that all three of those women said they were standing near Campbell ...

And that Mrs. Reid suggested she was standing so close to Campbell as to be able to ask him where the shots had come from right after they came, yet for the life of us we can't seem to find 40 year old Reid in Wiegman (because apparrently we don't have any snapshots of her!), although Linda has found Arnold and Richey in Wiegman and Betzner-2, standing practically at Cambells right elbow.

LOL

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 03:24:27 AM
I am viewing...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 03:31:25 AM

Taking Rick Plant seriously is a mistake in my opinion...I have him on ignore...

The women are the same woman because the pocketbook strap is identical as are the glasses...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 03:37:23 AM
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I am viewing...

Yes, I know.

Constantly.

Have you spoken out on this issue yet?

Is that Mrs. Reid with Leavelle?
Is that Mrs. Reid partially hidden behind Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo in Wiegman?
Is that Mrs. Reid in Cooper?
Is that Mrs Reid with Alexander?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:08:42 AM
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If you can't answer them, why don't you just "throw in the towel"?

Throw in the towel and just take your word for it because you can ask a lot of questions?

You’re funny.

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Let's try again with just one:  Did Reid say, "right in front of the entrance," or did Belin kinda lead her into saying "directly in front of the entrance"?

You may not be good at math or computers, or cleaning yourself, but you’re capable of reading. And playing rhetorical games. This isn’t evidence of anything other than your insufferable personality.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:12:08 AM
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Rick,

"Clearly obvious"

Isn't that a bit redundant?

Thanks for your precious opinion,

That’s hilarious coming from the guy who bases every one of his own arguments on what he thinks is clearly obvious when he squints at fuzzy images and fantasizes about what they show.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:18:29 AM
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Sorry Thomas, a wide nose from High School doesn't become thin and hooked as you get older. A woman with no pronounced jaw line doesn't grow one as she becomes older. Are you saying she had plastic surgery after High School?

He thinks she “dropped her jaw” to be sultry.  :D How is that even physiologically possible? He’s desperate.

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I don't see it being a "bit redundant" at all. No matter if it's a photo of a side profile or an older photo, this is not the same woman. The noses are different and this is not the same woman. That should be obvious to anybody looking at it. Why would you think the noses are the same?

Because a fuzzy blob in Wiegman that kinda sorta looks like a woman wearing glasses is standing kinda sorta in the general vicinity of another fuzzy blob he thinks must be Campbell because the fuzzy blob next to that fuzzy blob sorta looks like he may have a hat on.

QED
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:23:11 AM
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And that Mrs. Reid suggested she was standing so close to Campbell as to be able to ask him where the shots had come from right after they came, yet for the life of us we can't seem to find 40 year old Reid in Wiegman (because apparrently we don't have any snapshots of her!), although Linda has found Arnold and Richey in Wiegman and Betzner-2, standing practically at Cambells right elbow.

Why am I not surprised that the self proclaimed exert on Jeraldean Reid’s physical appearance doesn’t even know how old she was?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:24:15 AM
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Taking Rick Plant seriously is a mistake in my opinion...I have him on ignore...

The women are the same woman because the pocketbook strap is identical as are the glasses...

“Proof” by constant repetition of an unsupported claim.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 04:26:14 AM
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Taking Rick Plant seriously is a mistake in my opinion...I have him on ignore...

Well, Doyle I don't think many people take your opinion seriously. With over 500 falsehoods and lies you made, people should know taking you seriously is a mistake.

Doyle made another mistake trying to pass off a fake woman he believes he sees in a photo. Doyle is the "great researcher" who thought the prayer figure was Sarah Stanton, but she refuted Doyle's claim in her own FBI testimony. So, we know Doyle has no credibility with the photos he claims a person to be.

We know you have me on ignore, Doyle. That's because you are unable articulate a coherent response after I refuted your nonsense. So, you hide away not having to answer for your falsehoods.     

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The women are the same woman because the pocketbook strap is identical as are the glasses...

Sorry Doyle, you can argue a "pocketbook strap" and "glasses" all you want. That still doesn't make this the same woman. Their facial features are totally different and that's what counts. The noses are not the same and neither is the chin or jaw line. Doyle wants to make an absurd positive identification based on insignificant items and ignore the obvious like facial features. Just like he ignores documented testimony in favor of phony claims. The noses are different Doyle and you can't argue that. This is not the same woman. 

Also, if you took all three pictures and put them together you can easily tell that woman is not Reid. The high school photo shows Reid with a wide nose, the fake Reid has a thin hook nose, the woman in the color photo that resembles Reid has similar features to the high school Reid. Doyle wants us to believe her nose changed to being thin in 1963 and then went back to how it looked when she was in high school for the color photo. That is impossible. That woman is not Reid and Doyle is wrong again.         


   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:26:49 AM
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Yes, I know.

Constantly.

Have you spoken out on this issue yet?

Is that Mrs. Reid with Leavelle?
Is that Mrs. Reid partially hidden behind Virgie Rackley Baker and Betty Dragoo in Wiegman?
Is that Mrs. Reid in Cooper?
Is that Mrs Reid with Alexander?

Maybe, just maybe Denis has the integrity to not just make up a bogus conclusion when there’s no evidence to support it.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 04:29:24 AM
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Rick,

Okay.

Well, I guess Brian got duped, and/or Linda found the wrong Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Bray Reid), and/or that really was Jack Ruby's sister in Wiegman and Betzner-2, and/or in Cooper on 11/22, and/or with Alexander on 11/22, and/or with Leavelle on Sunday, 11/24/63, ...

... or not.

Did I miss anything?

-- MWT  ;)

PS  It's funny that I spotted Roy Truly in Wiegman, and that Linda and I spotted Ochus Campbell standing near him, and that the only four people Campbell mentioned as standing near him during the motorcade were Truly, Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Jeraldean Reid, and that all three of those women said they were standing near Campbell ...

And that Mrs. Reid suggested she was standing so close to Campbell as to be able to ask him where the shots had come from right after they came, yet for the life of us we can't seem to find 40 year old Reid in Wiegman (because apparrently we don't have any snapshots of her!), although Linda has found Arnold and Richey in Wiegman and Betzner-2, standing practically at Cambells right elbow.

LOL

Thomas believes in the "ever changing Mrs. Reid". The woman who morphs into different facial features as the years go by. LOL   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:34:50 AM
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We know you have me on ignore, Doyle. That's because you are unable articulate a coherent response after I refuted your nonsense. So, you hide away not having to answer for your falsehoods.

Doyle puts everyone who calls him out on his BS (which is pretty much everybody besides Graves and LarryTrotterImage) “on ignore” so that he can then claim that he has never seen a rebuttal to his “superior correct evidence”.

We also know that putting people on ignore is yet another thing he lies about.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 04:35:24 AM
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He thinks she “dropped her jaw” to be sultry.  :D How is that even physiologically possible? He’s desperate.

Because a fuzzy blob in Wiegman that kinda sorta looks like a woman wearing glasses is standing kinda sorta in the general vicinity of another fuzzy blob he thinks must be Campbell because the fuzzy blob next to that fuzzy blob sorta looks like he may have a hat on.

QED

 :D

The great detectives at work. Blobs and distorted faces morph into Mrs. Reid and Sarah Stanton with changing noses and jaws as the years go by. And arguing "pocketbooks" and "straps" makes an exact positive identification of one Mrs. Reid.   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 04:37:35 AM
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Doyle puts everyone who calls him out on his BS (which is pretty much everybody besides Graves and LarryTrotterImage) so that he can then claim that he has never seen a rebuttal to his “superior correct evidence”.

We also know that putting people on ignore is yet another thing he lies about.

Doyle pretends to ignore but somehow was able to see my post showing these two women to be different.  :D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:37:47 AM
Right because a thin dark purse strap is so exceedingly rare that it must be identical.

And that somehow makes her name “Reid”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 04:49:05 AM
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The women are the same woman because the pocketbook strap is identical as are the glasses...

You forgot to mention their noses and their jaws Doyle, because they are not the same. Those different features mean they are not the same woman. Unless you believe she had plastic surgery twice to morph into a new woman in 1963 and then back to similar features for the color photo. Sorry Doyle, pocketbooks and straps isn't going to make this the same woman no matter how hard you try.     
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 05:10:57 AM
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Right because a thin dark purse strap is so exceedingly rare that it must be identical.

And that somehow makes her name “Reid”.

You aren't very good at pattern recognition, are you, John?

If you'd been in counterintelligence during the Cold War, we'd all be singing The Volga Boatsman Song and living on potatoes and cheap vodka, by now (instead of ten years from now).

You'd have made a great gumshoe FBI agent, though.

Hang  in there.

LOL

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 05:15:04 AM
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Why am I not surprised that the self proclaimed exert on Jeraldean Reid’s physical appearance doesn’t even know how old she was?

John,

I was just testing you with that "marked card".

Nice catch.

Dang it.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 26, 2019, 05:38:32 AM
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Thanks for your precious opinion, but there were 35 years between the photographs, she was still in high school in the first one, she has her head turned directly towards the camera it, and I'm saying it's possible that they are one and the same person.

Thomas believes Mrs. Reid grew new facial features in 1963 and then went back to high school style for the color photo. :D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 05:52:37 AM
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Thomas believes Mrs. Reid grew new facial features in 1963 and then went back to high school style for the color photo. :D

Rick, you got a dog in this fight?

Where would you like Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Reid) to be:

1) during the motorcade?

2) one minute after the final shot?

3) two minutes?

4)  three?


Put another way, how soon after the final shot would you like her to be back in her office on the second floor?

--  MWT   ;)

PS  You don't care?  You're just here to refute absolutely everything Brian Doyle says?

Come on, Rick, fess up.



Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 06:20:10 AM
Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Mrs Robert Reid are clearly all walking together...

If Mrs Robert Reid was some kind of spook covering for Jeraldean Reid notice that she is walking with 2nd floor lunch room witness Carolyn Arnold...Hmm...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 07:04:49 AM
Weird... Carl Edward Jones said he was with Roy Truly, O.V. Campbell, Mrs. R.A. Reid and Bill Lovelady. I doubt White people in Dallas hung around with the Black folks. When I visited Washington 2 years ago, I noticed on the streets that Blacks were with Blacks, and Whites with Whites.
In any case, Jones was on the right of the arrow.
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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 07:26:16 AM
I will try to bring those people out of the shadows. Betzner photo.

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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 12:44:35 PM
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Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, and Mrs Robert Reid are clearly all walking together...

If Mrs Robert Reid was some kind of spook covering for Jeraldean Reid notice that she is walking with 2nd floor lunch room witness Carolyn Arnold...Hmm...


Brian,

It's too bad you've got the CT Bug up so far up your you-know-what.

Mrs. Robert A. Reid and Jeraldean (Bray) Reid were one and the same person, dum-dum.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Iacoletti and you remind me of that song, "Stuck In The Middle With You".

He's the Joker and you're the Clown.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 02:51:09 PM
Your pal Rick Plant said they were obviously different persons Thomas...

And I know my strong supporter Denis Moricet thinks so...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
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Your pal Rick Plant said they were obviously different persons Thomas...

And I know my strong supporter Denis Moricet thinks so...

Brian,

I'm talking about text documents, not easy-to-deceive photographic images taken up to 39 years apart.

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 03:34:43 PM
I can't understand why Stanton's album photo, that was 4 years later than the images of Mrs Robert Reid, looks more like the yearbook photo than those pictures of Mrs Robert Reid...

The image next to Alexander appears to be a different face than the Stanton album "Jeraldean Reid"...

On the dysfunctional JFK internet Moricet prefers to dwell in lurk-ville and we get no opinion from Zambanini...That is working against the cause with petty parochialism instead of having people who have proven themselves advance the cause with cooperation...   

If Mrs Robert Reid was the doppleganger spook Groden claims then her guiding another 2nd floor Oswald witness, Carolyn Arnold, as seen in the Cooper film, might have serious significance...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
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You aren't very good at pattern recognition, are you, John?

And by "pattern recognition", you mean squinting at fuzzy blobs and making up fanciful stories about them.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
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I was just testing you with that "marked card".

Sure you were, Tommy.   ::)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:21:52 PM
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Put another way, how soon after the final shot would you like her to be back in her office on the second floor?

She said immediately after the shots.  Why don't you tell us what she really meant.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:24:41 PM
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Your pal Rick Plant said they were obviously different persons Thomas...

No, he said that Jeraldean Reid is a different person from the ladies you keep claiming (without evidence) are named "Mrs Reid".

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And I know my strong supporter Denis Moricet thinks so...

You would think you would have learned how to spell your "strong supporter's" name by now...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:26:37 PM
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I can't understand why Stanton's album photo, that was 4 years later than the images of Mrs Robert Reid, looks more like the yearbook photo than those pictures of Mrs Robert Reid...

Duh.  Because your "images of Mrs Robert Reid" aren't images of Mrs Robert Reid.

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On the dysfunctional JFK internet Moricet prefers to dwell in lurk-ville and we get no opinion from Zambanini...That is working against the cause with petty parochialism instead of having people who have proven themselves advance the cause with cooperation...   

It's so hard to be Brian Doyle, flapping in the wind all alone with his fabrications.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 04:40:17 PM
I'm ignoring t***** who are just nay-saying the obviously already proven...

This discussion is really only for reasonable persons who admit correct evidence instead of maliciously throwing obstructionists wrenches in to every post in order to get attention...

There is zero doubt the 3 Women in Zapruder, Darnell, and Towner are Simmons, Holt, and Jacob and there is zero doubt the woman on the sidewalk, by Leavelle, and next to Alexander is the woman referred to as "Mrs Robert Reid" by the Commission...

Iacoletti trims his responses...He does that in order to deceptively not have to admit the Cooper film clip Moricet posted shows Mrs Robert Reid as a group with her fellow Depository employees Bonnie Richey and Carolyn Arnold...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
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There is zero doubt the 3 Women in Zapruder, Darnell, and Towner are Simmons, Holt, and Jacob and there is zero doubt the woman on the sidewalk, by Leavelle, and next to Alexander is the woman referred to as "Mrs Robert Reid" by the Commission...

I'm sure you have "zero doubt" about your other 555 falsehoods and fabrications as well.  Your "zero doubt" means absolutely nothing.

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Iacoletti trims his responses...He does that in order to deceptively not have to admit the Cooper film clip Moricet posted shows Mrs Robert Reid as a group with her fellow Depository employees Bonnie Richey and Carolyn Arnold...

No, it shows an unidentified woman with people who resemble high school photographs of Bonnie Richey and Carolyn Arnold (who was known to be 8 months pregnant at the time).  Calling her "Mrs. Reid" doesn't actually make her Mrs Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 05:00:45 PM
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She said immediately after the shots.  Why don't you tell us what she really meant.

John,

It makes all the sense in the world that, if Reid was standing near (i.e., "at the elbow of"/within talking distance of) Ochus Campbell (who said he was standing with Truly "about 30 feet in front of the building," "next to the curb on Elm Street, adjacent to the traffic light"), and that if what she said about encountering Oswald near her second floor office was true, then she did start heading towards her office "immediately," and arrived there about two minutes later.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 05:09:24 PM
Then the Cooper film with Richey, Arnold, and Reid would have to be way after Reid was released from the offices after being questioned by the cops...

(Or Mr Graves - was "Jeraldean Reid' questioned by the cops and detained on the 2nd floor?...)

You see my dear Mr Graves, Carolyn Arnold never went inside and our "Mrs Robert Reid" is seen with her in Cooper...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 05:09:41 PM
Cool, have you figured out when the Cook footage was taken?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
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Then the Cooper film with Richey, Arnold, and Reid would have to be way after Reid was released from the offices after being questioned by the cops...

(Or Mr Graves - was "Jeraldean Reid' questioned by the cops and detained on the 2nd floor?...)

You see my dear Mr Graves, Carolyn Arnold never went inside and our "Mrs Robert Reid" is seen with her in Cooper...

Brian dear,

Why would the Cooper footage "have to have been taken a long time after Reid was allowed to go home," and regardless, why would that be problematic?

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
Because by your own words Mrs Reid had to go inside almost immediately in order to be upstairs seeing Oswald come through the door with the Coke...

Karen Westbrook said the lady secretaries were detained in the 2nd floor office corral for a period in order to answer questions and get contact information...

If Mrs Reid were amongst them then she would also be detained for a period and could not be seen outside with the other office ladies...

I find this very interesting because if we find Bonnie Richey stayed outside then you would see Richey, as well as Carolyn Arnold, who also stayed outside and never went back in, in the Cooper film with Mrs Robert Reid - which would suggest maybe she never went back in either...

Do I have to spell it out for you?...If all this is true it gives strong verification for Groden...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 06:47:37 PM
Rumor has it that Groden admitted to Phil Singer that he made up the whole story about Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 07:12:51 PM
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Rumor has it that Groden admitted to Phil Singer that he made up the whole story about Reid.

John,

That wouldn't surprise me.

And/or that Groden had access to some snapshots of Reid, and intentionally chose the one that looked least like her.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 07:35:29 PM

You guys didn't answer the point...Mrs Reid couldn't be outside on the sidewalk and detained on the 2nd floor at the same time...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 07:55:19 PM
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You guys didn't answer the point...Mrs Reid couldn't be outside on the sidewalk and detained on the 2nd floor at the same time...

Brian,

You don't seem to realize that that Cooper footage was shot at least an hour after the assassination.

Unbelievable.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
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Karen Westbrook said the lady secretaries were detained in the 2nd floor office corral for a period in order to answer questions and get contact information...

Complete Doyle fabrication.  Westbrook said they were milling around the second floor "center bullpen office" at a time when they were locked in (the building).  They weren't detained on the second floor, nor did she say they were being asked questions when Mrs Reid told her her Oswald story.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
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You don't seem to realize that that Cooper footage was shot at least an hour after the assassination.

How do you know?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 08:27:13 PM
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How do you know?

Socrates I mean John,

Don't they look as though they're going home, and not just those three?

--  MWT   ;)

Edit:  Pregnant Carolyn Arnold said she left the building around 12:25 (to view the motorcade, obviously) and did not go back into the building after that.  So, that doesn't help my "case," but neither does it necessarilly hurt it -- she may have hung out, outside for awhile before going home ... 

Mrs. R. A. Reid said she left the building sometime between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.

Vicki Adams (who can be seen in the background, wearing sunglasses) said she believed she left the building between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.



Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 08:28:32 PM
At 1:45 Trask shows the Cooper Film and the clip with Mrs Robert Reid...

At 2:00 Trask says these scenes are "2 to 3 minutes after the assassination"...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 08:51:45 PM
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Socrates I mean John,

Don't they look as though they're going home, and not just those three?

How exactly does someone "look as though they're going home" in a 2 second clip?

The same way two faceless people look like they are "staring at each other for the longest time" in a one second clip, I guess.

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Mrs. Robert Reid said she left the building sometime between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.

Knowing you, you're getting ready to make this argument:

- The woman in the clip is Mrs. Reid because she went home between 2 and 2:30 PM
- We know the clip was taken between 2 and 2:30 PM because that's when Mrs. Reid went home
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 08:55:15 PM
Iacoletti is not here for honest purposes...

At 30:05 Karen Westbrook clearly describes being detained for an hour and a half by the cops in order to be questioned:

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 08:56:48 PM
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At 2:00 Trask says these scenes are "2 to 3 minutes after the assassination"...

So if Trask was right (and he doesn't say how he knows either) then either Mrs Reid didn't really go back into the building immediately and see Oswald

OR

That's not Mrs Reid

OR (if you are Brian Doyle)

There were two Mrs Reids in a covert spook operation along with the two Oswalds and 2 Marguerites
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
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Socrates I mean John,

Don't they look as though they're going home, and not just those three?

--  MWT   ;)

Edit:  Pregnant Carolyn Arnold said she left the building around 12:25 (to view the motorcade, obviously) and did not go back into the building after that.  So, that doesn't help my "case," but neither does it necessarily hurt it -- she may have "hung out," outside, for awhile before going home ... 

Mrs. R. A. Reid said she left the building sometime between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.

Vicki Adams (who can be seen in the background of the Cook/Cooper clip, wearing sunglasses) said she believed she left the building between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.

Virgie Rackley Baker (visible in the background) said that she stayed outside the building until 2:15 at which time she went to a restaurant, then returned and reentered the building at 3:00 to retrieve her coat, and was picked up outside by her father at 4:00.

Question:  Who is the Black guy in the clip?  Norman, Jarman?

Fwiw, "Junior" Jarman said he left the building between 2 pm and 2:30 pm, and Harold Norman said he left at 2 pm.

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
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At 30:05 Karen Westbrook clearly describes being detained for an hour and a half by the cops in order to be questioned:

She most certainly does not.  And why does your link go to timestamp 19:45?

At 30:05 she says what I described.  They weren't detained in a "corral" on the second floor and questioned.  That's just pure fabrication.

I'm starting to understand why you tell so many falsehoods.  You watch videos or talk to people and hear things that nobody else hears.  Like Frazier saying that he and Stanton stared at each other for the longest time, or Rosa saying that Stanton saw Oswald on the second floor landing.  Maybe instead of just being a pathological liar, you are schizophrenic and hearing voices that don't really exist.

Do those voices also tell you to do topless car washes with a creepy look on your face?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 09:05:23 PM
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How exactly does someone "look as though they're going home" in a 2 second clip?


John,

In this case, uhh ... waiting patiently for a traffic light to change, or (more likely) a traffic cop to give them permission to cross the street, and then "going for it," en masse?

Beats the heck outta me.  It really does.

LOL

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 09:12:33 PM
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In this case, uhh ... waiting patiently for a traffic light to change, or (more likely) a traffic cop to give them permission to cross the street, and then "going for it," en masse?

Seems legit.  Maybe these people are going home too...

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Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 09:14:46 PM
It is my personal opinion that Iacoletti should not be allowed to t**** this site like he does...

In the linked video anyone can watch Karen Westbrook describe being in the 2nd floor offices "bull-pen" (or "corral") and being detained by the cops for questioning for an hour or hour and a half... In a case where the record shown right in front of you shows what I am saying to be correct and accurate Iacoletti abuses this website and calls me an intolerable liar who fabricates and misrepresents the referenced evidence...To me what Iacoletti is doing is harassing t******* and full on gas-lighting designed to obstruct and confuse anything that is posted...In my opinion it is a serious detriment to this website and serves to seriously lower its quality...

Trask could be wrong and maybe Cook filmed that at 2pm...The shadows do look pretty long like they would an hour and a half after the shots... And if Vicki Adams said she left at 2 then so be it...

Westbrook says she ran back to the building...Hmm...Just like Reed, Hicks, and Calvery who were beside her...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 09:17:17 PM
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In the linked video anyone can watch Karen Westbrook describe being in the 2nd floor offices "bull-pen" (or "corral") and being detained by the cops for questioning for an hour or hour and a half...

Why do you blatantly lie even when people can hear the exact words?  She said they were milling around, not detained for an hour and a half.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 09:17:39 PM
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So if Trask was right (and he doesn't say how he knows either) then either Mrs Reid didn't really go back into the building immediately and see Oswald

OR

That's not Mrs Reid

OR (if you are Brian Doyle)

There were two Mrs Reids in a covert spook operation along with the two Oswalds and 2 Marguerites

John,

How do you know that Trask meant all of the scenes in the Cook/Cooper film were shot 2 to 3 minutes after the assassination?

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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 09:21:20 PM
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Seems legit.  Maybe these people are going home too...

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/27/5b/63/275b63cf78b34b5e39d7fe7aa3320386.jpg)

See the March 1964 statements Reid, Adams, and Norman made to the FBI, Socrates.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1381.pdf

--  MWT   ;)


Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 09:21:44 PM
Time to ignore an obvious attention-seeking T****...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 09:23:18 PM
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How do you know that Trask meant all of the scenes in the Cook/Cooper film were shot 2 to 3 minutes after the assassination?

I don't.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 09:24:08 PM
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See the March 1964 statements Reid, Adams, and Norman made to the FBI, Socrates.

I'm sure all these people eventually went home too.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 09:24:51 PM
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Time to ignore an obvious attention-seeking T****...

Says the attention-seeking troll who can't even tell the truth about what Karen Westbrook said.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 09:27:45 PM

You can't use Mrs Robert Reid's FBI statement because it is automatically suspect...It never mentions her witnessing of Oswald...

If anything this bolsters Groden being correct and honest Tommy pretends not to see it...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 09:38:17 PM

Westbrook says she ran back to the building...Hmm...Just like Reed, Hicks, and Calvery who were beside her...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 09:42:00 PM
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Pregnant Carolyn Arnold said she left the building around 12:25 (to view the motorcade, obviously) and did not go back into the building after that.  So, that doesn't help my "case," but neither does it necessarily hurt it -- she may have "hung out," outside, for awhile before going home ... Ditto Bonnie Richey (wearing the jump suit), who said she left the building around 2:15 and didn't go back inside that day ...

Mrs. R. A. Reid said she left the building sometime between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.

Vicki Adams (who can be seen in the background, wearing sunglasses) said she believed she left the building between 2 pm and 2:30 pm.

Virgie Rackley Baker (visible in the background) said that she stayed outside the building until 2:15 at which time she went to a restaurant, then returned and reentered the building at 3:00 to retrieve her coat, and was picked up outside by her father at 4:00.

Question:  Who is the Black guy in the clip?  Norman, Jarman?

Regardless, "Junior" Jarman said he left the building between 2 pm and 2:30 pm, and Harold Norman said he left at 2 pm.



I'm "parking" this here so you can refer to Linda Giovanna Zambanini's fine work in identifying all of the above-mentioned people in the Cook/Cooper clip, especially her work on page 9..

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22100-where-was-roy-truly-right-after-the-last-shot-was-fired/page/9/

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
What I see in that thread is the buddy system insider clique building up on the Education Forum where people are defending their friends instead of the credibility of the evidence they show...

Does Thomas think it is strange that Zambanini never once commented on my photo of Jeraldean Reid?...

There's no doubt Zambanini does good work...So good in fact that her locating Wanda Daniel helped me prove Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton...My reward for that was to be put on block by Linda...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 10:05:36 PM
Enhanced by Bart Kamp. https://postimg.cc/JDS0dvz0
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:12:47 PM
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I'm "parking" this here so you can refer to Linda Giovanna Zambanini's fine work in identifying all of the above-mentioned people in the Cook/Cooper clip, especially her work on page 9..

Yep, she has reasons for Richey and Arnold, but strangely enough, not for Reid.  She's just presumed to be Reid from the beginning.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:14:06 PM
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There's no doubt Zambanini does good work...So good in fact that her locating Wanda Daniel helped me prove Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton...My reward for that was to be put on block by Linda...

Maybe she regretted you taking her information and doing the world's worst interview ever.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 10:27:20 PM
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Maybe she regretted you taking her information and doing the world's worst interview ever.

John,

*your taking

The Gerund Takes The Possessive.

Sheesh, even John Armstrong's "Lee Harvey Oswald," for whom English was evidently a third language (after Hungarian and Russian), knew that.

--  MWT   ;)

PS  By the way, I wonder if Duncan approves of your calling another member a lying schizophrenic?

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 10:29:25 PM
Is Reid seen in the Towner film? Yes, but extremely blurry.
https://postimg.cc/GHnDz8NR
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
Doyle's false narrative:

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Karen Westbrook said the lady secretaries were detained in the 2nd floor office corral for a period in order to answer questions and get contact information...

What she actually said:

At 29:16:

KWS: Now there's a story. May I tell the story? In the ce...uh, our offices were around the building and then there was a center office building, a large bullpen kind of office on the second floor that was the office of the Texas School Book Depository. And they had a supervisor in there called Mrs. Reid. And when we were milling around while the police had us locked in and so forth, we were milling around. Mrs. Reid said that when everybody was walking and milling and so forth that Lee came to the door with a Coke in his hand and said what's all the excitement about? And Mrs. Reid said she told him oh my God, someone has shot the president. Now whether that's true, whether that fits in with the timeline, but that was, that was Mrs. Reid's story of seeing Lee after the assassination.

SF: I imagine there were a number of stories about Lee that were shared among employees in the aftermath.  When did you finally get to go home?

KWS: We went home -- they kept us there.  It was about an hour to an hour and a half. They took roll call, they searched, they came around, got everybody's name, our contact number, told us not to leave town, and they would be in contact with us. So I went home.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 10:39:43 PM
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Is Reid seen in the Towner film? Yes, but extremely blurry.
https://postimg.cc/GHnDz8NR

Denis,

At least you can tell that Reid, and black-clad Lawrence and Whitaker, and all-in-white, cowboy-hat-wearing "Stetson Man," et al., must have been standing in the street (as though they were at the curb of Houston Street if there were no Elm Street Extension), and pretty much in front of the entrance.  I believe JFK waved to pretty Lawrence, and some tinfoil hat CTer mistook his hand gesture for something else -- evidence of the first shot, or some-such thing.

(I'd have to look at it again, but I think Tina Towner may have moved to her left at some point.  She kinda mentions that in The Lost Bullet.)

Can you spot Linda's and my Ochus Campbell?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
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The Gerund Takes The Possessive.

Thanks for yet another fascinating diversion.

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PS  By the way, I wonder if Duncan approves of your calling another member a lying schizophrenic?

What would you call somebody who has amassed 557 falsehoods and fabrications in the span of 17 months and who hears voices and sees things that nobody else does?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:41:55 PM
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At least you can tell that Reid, and black-clad Lawrence and Whitaker, and all-in-white "Stetson Man," et al., must have been standing in the street (as though they were at the curb of Houston Street if there were no Elm Street Extension), and pretty much in front of the entrance.

 :D

That's like saying that Oswald was pretty much in the balcony of the Texas Theater.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:44:40 PM
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Notice that I clearly referenced the 30:05 mark of that video but Iacoletti answered it with 29:16 and ignored what was said at 30:05 that backed up exactly what I said?...

My transcript goes through 30:29, Sherlock.  This'll be falsehood number 558.

Notice that nowhere does Westbrook say that the lady secretaries were detained in a 2nd floor office corral.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 10:46:13 PM
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Thanks for yet another fascinating diversion.

What would you call somebody who has amassed 557 falsehoods and fabrications in the span of 17 months and who hears voices and sees things that nobody else does?

John,

It doesn't matter.

Brian Doyle is currently a member in good standing.

You, however, look as though you want to be sued and/or banned for life.

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
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Doyle's false narrative:

What she actually said:

At 29:16:

KWS: Now there's a story. May I tell the story? In the ce...uh, our offices were around the building and then there was a center office building, a large bullpen kind of office on the second floor that was the office of the Texas School Book Depository. And they had a supervisor in there called Mrs. Reid. And when we were milling around while the police had us locked in and so forth, we were milling around. Mrs. Reid said that when everybody was walking and milling and so forth that Lee came to the door with a Coke in his hand and said what's all the excitement about? And Mrs. Reid said she told him oh my God, someone has shot the president. Now whether that's true, whether that fits in with the timeline, but that was, that was Mrs. Reid's story of seeing Lee after the assassination.

SF: I imagine there were a number of stories about Lee that were shared among employees in the aftermath.  When did you finally get to go home?

KWS: We went home -- they kept us there.  It was about an hour to an hour and a half. They took roll call, they searched, they came around, got everybody's name, our contact number, told us not to leave town, and they would be in contact with us. So I went home.

"They kept us there (in the bull-pen)"..."For an hour to an hour and a half...(and questioned us for our information) is exactly being detained in the office corral for questioning and backs up what I said...

Somehow Iacoletti thinks that makes me an intolerable liar issuing a "false narrative" even though it says exactly what I said...



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 10:48:33 PM
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:D

That's like saying that Oswald was pretty much in the balcony of the Texas Theater.

John,

Have you looked at Roberdeau's 2012 map, yet?

He got "Stetson Man" and Reid right.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 10:50:53 PM
Is this the Campbell you are referring to? I see no Truly near him. Should be easy to spot with his black hat.
https://postimg.cc/hhZ2yrnm

Some thought that this is Truly in all images. Different men.
https://postimg.cc/QV7FwNGq
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 26, 2019, 10:52:54 PM
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"They kept us there (in the bull-pen)"..."For an hour to an hour and a half...(and questioned us for our information) is exactly being detained in the office corral for questioning and backs up what I said...

She didn't say "in the bullpen".  They roll-called all the employees.  You think they locked everybody up on the second floor?  With what?  No, they kept people around in the building and sealed the exits.  Some of the secretaries were milling around on the second floor for part of that time.  Not detained there for the duration.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 10:54:52 PM
Carol Reed told me she was there (2nd floor office corral) for the duration...

In any case your annoying t****ing doesn't answer the fact that if locked inside Mrs Reid could not appear on the sidewalk...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 26, 2019, 10:58:12 PM
I checked my archives for images of Truly. I found this one of the Wiegman film. Linda Z. put an arrow over this man. I checked the Towner film. I guess it is the same man. If it is him, he is close enough to be considered "elbow to elbow". Opinions are welcome, but mine is always better. Thanks.

https://postimg.cc/bSdfXwd9
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 11:03:19 PM
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I checked my archives for images of Truly. I found this one of the Wiegman film. Linda Z. put an arrow over this man. I checked the Towner film. I guess it is the same man. If it is him, he is close enough to be considered "elbow to elbow". Opinions are welcome, but mine is always better. Thanks.

https://postimg.cc/bSdfXwd9

That is definitely Truly and he is within a reaching grab of Mrs Robert Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 11:05:51 PM
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Is this the Campbell you are referring to? I see no Truly near him. Should be easy to spot with his black hat.
https://postimg.cc/hhZ2yrnm

Denis,

Makes sense.  Linda and I both noticed a few years ago that our "Campbell," turned kinda sideways in Wiegman, seemed to be wearing a suit with a disproportionate amount of white shirt showing and that he was kinda tall and largish.

It's not surprising that we can't see Roy Truly (or can we?) because he was standing behind people, he was short, and it is a pretty blurry image.

Please note that I believe we can see, from left to right and starting at the edge of the entrance opening: "Stetson Man" (with something obscuring his hat from our view), an unidentified person, brownish-clad Virgie Rackley Baker, and black-clad Lupe Whitaker and Patricia Ann Lawrence.

--  MWT   ;)

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 11:13:05 PM
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That is definitely Truly and he is within a reaching grab of Mrs Robert Reid...

Yes, that's the Truly I found a few years ago.

You may be looking at the wrong woman for Reid, Brian.

In the Wiegman frame, she's standing almost directly under the Black guy (who's standing on a lower step at the left edge of the entrance).  She's mostly hidden behind two other women.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 11:20:08 PM

If I'm not mistaken Reid is in between the woman in a white shirt and woman in a brown shirt in the color shot Zambanini juxtaposed below it...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
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If she was locked inside the building by the police, Mrs Reid could not have appeared on the sidewalk in the Cook/Cooper clip.

Brian,

You need to understand that in all probability Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Bray Reid) was "captured" around 2:00 PM in the Cook/Cooper film, as she was crossing the street and starting to go home.

D'oh

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 11:36:40 PM
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If I'm not mistaken Reid is in between the woman in a white shirt and woman in a brown shirt in the color shot Zambanini juxtaposed below it.

Which "color shot" on which page of which thread on which forum are you referring to, Oh Mister Great Communicator?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 11:39:13 PM

In Moricet's last link...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 26, 2019, 11:40:56 PM
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Brian,

You need to understand that in all probability Mrs. Robert A. Reid (aka Jeraldean Bray Reid) was "captured" around 2:00 PM in the Cook/Cooper film, as she was crossing the street and starting to go home.

D'oh

--  MWT   ;)

But she's with two women (Richey & Arnold) whose FBI report said they never went back inside...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 26, 2019, 11:55:10 PM
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But she's with two women (Richey & Arnold) whose FBI report said they never went back inside...

Brian,

Now you're pulling "An Iacoletti".

Are you even capable of imagining that those two women got locked outside when the police sealed the building, and that they then just kinda hung out "at the scene of the crime" either:

1) while waiting in vain for the building to be reopened so they could go back inside and get their coats, etc. ...

or

 2) just out of curiosity

... and then started going home (or not) around 2 o'clock?


--  MWT   ;)

PS  Why are you ignoring the statements of Adams, Richey, and Norman/Jarman, all three of whom were also captured in that Cook/Cooper clip?

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 12:05:11 AM
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That is definitely Truly and he is within a reaching grab of Mrs Robert Reid...

Okay, I see what you're referring to now when you said "the color shot," and I agree that Reid looks closer to Truly in it than she does in Wiegman, but what about Campbell, who, after all, was the one who said Richey, Arnold and Reid were "at his elbow"?

Get it? Truly didn't say that, Ochus Campbell did.

D'oh

--  MWT   ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Denis Morissette on September 27, 2019, 12:58:37 AM
In Wiegman... I see two kids close to "Campbell".  https://postimg.cc/8jZm0M0q/677d4288
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 01:02:30 AM
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1) while waiting in vain for the building to be reopened so they could go back inside and get their coats, etc. ...

But my dear Mr Graves...Neither Richey or Arnold have their coats in Cook-Cooper...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 01:04:29 AM
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In Wiegman... I see two kids close to "Campbell".  https://postimg.cc/8jZm0M0q/677d4288

I think they're probably very very very very short TSBD employees.

Would you care to share a labeled frame or something with us?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 01:09:17 AM
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But my dear Mr Graves...Neither Richey or Arnold have their coats in Cook-Cooper...

Iacoletti I mean Doyle,

How do you know they brought coats to work?

And if they did, what makes you think they wanted to go inside that particular day to retrieve them?

--  MWT  ;)



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 03:48:06 AM
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Say hon :-\ uhh, MrGraves, have ya spent a lot of time around them warehouses sweetheart uhh, Sir?  ;)

Point being?

Come on Larry, spit it out.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 05:11:52 AM
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I checked my archives for images of Truly. I found this one of the Wiegman film. Linda Z. put an arrow over this man. I checked the Towner film. I guess it is the same man. If it is him, he is close enough to be considered "elbow to elbow". Opinions are welcome, but mine is always better. Thanks.

https://postimg.cc/bSdfXwd9


Denis,

Elbow-to-elbow with whom?

Regardless, the face of our "Reid" is the brownish blob between the woman who's apparently wearing a brown coat with a tan "collar" (whom we know is Virgie Rackley Baker) and the woman to the right of her who's apparently wearing a red skirt -- mostly hidden behind that big orange thing -- and a white blouse (whom we know is Betty Dragoo).

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 06:18:47 AM

Carolyn Arnold said she never went back in and then went home...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 09:34:40 AM
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Carolyn Arnold said she never went back in and then went home...

Brian,

It's fascinating to me that you are so wedded to your theory that your mind is utterly unable of envisioning the possibility that Arnold, unable to get back into the building let's say five minutes after the assassination because it had already been sealed, hung around outside the building (for whatever reason) for 90 minutes or so, and then went home without first going back inside the building (for whatever reason: maybe the authorities wouldn't let her go back in even after they'd started letting people out, maybe she didn't want to go back in, maybe she had no reason to go back in).

Come on, dude.  I thought you were smarter than this.

--  MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
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Carol Reed told me she was there (2nd floor office corral) for the duration...

Of course she did. Did she say she was detained there?

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In any case your annoying t****ing doesn't answer the fact that if locked inside Mrs Reid could not appear on the sidewalk...

Duh. That’s why that’s not Mrs Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 03:25:05 PM
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In Wiegman... I see two kids close to "Campbell".  https://postimg.cc/8jZm0M0q/677d4288

And if that’s Campbell, the Reid candidate is nowhere near his elbow.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 27, 2019, 03:58:52 PM
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There's Alan ignoring that we have photographic evidence of two Mrs Reid's and telling us to take an FBI statement straight and to ignore what we can see with our own eyes...

The photo from Sarah Stanton's photo album had "Jeraldean Reid 1967" written by Sarah in the index...

There's a telling silence from the Lone Nutters...

First things first: There's only one Mrs. Robert A. Reid. She's the only one we find in Commission Exhibit 1381 (and as we all know, Mr. Doyle, she did not offer up in her statement the disdain the wrongly accused had for "pennies"...for you to insinuate that is akin to your penchant for playing musical chairs w/the historical evidence in an attempt to  bend/tilt the truth to your "evidence of truth").

Now, that said, let's quickly establish the contrast in colours w/the wrongly accused and Sarah Stanton ---->

X Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxx (xxxxxxxxx@xxx.com)To:you

Oh...I forgot about your questions...her hair was white possibly premature gray short and curly .

Sent from my iPhone to

> Alan Ford <a1anford@aol.com>

In contrast, Mr. Doyle, Prayer Man's hair is neither white, premature gray or curly. You are simply wrong on forcing a woman, let alone Sarah Stanton over into a man's position held throughout several filming sequences.

Now, Does this look familiar to you, Mr. Doyle? ----->

enlarge my profile picture...









Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 27, 2019, 04:10:00 PM
Mrs. Floy Bray, a delightful woman if anyone has time to read some of the coverage she has garnered in her local newspaper. Here's one story covering a deserving award she earned through years of service and dedication to young people ---->

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth568652/m1/1/

In the image provided she does have an uncanny resemblance to the pictures of Mrs. Robert Reid over on Mr. Moricet's site. Will have to dig further to determine if this Bray is somehow a sibling and/or relative of Jeraldine Bray (Mrs. Robert Reid).
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 04:11:50 PM
Looks like Alan has been talking to Rosa or Wanda. Maybe now we’ll get the real story.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 27, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
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Looks like Alan has been talking to Rosa or Wanda. Maybe now we’ll get the real story.

Will certainly do my best, Mr. Iacoletti, enjoy your day and thanks for caring to be on the side of truth, light and justice (no matter where it leads).
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 04:23:15 PM
Anything else interesting in that photo album, Alan. Perhaps a 1963 photo of Sarah?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
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First things first: There's only one Mrs. Robert A. Reid. She's the only one we find in Commission Exhibit 1381 (and as we all know, Mr. Doyle, she did not offer up in her statement the disdain the wrongly accused had for "pennies"...for you to insinuate that is akin to your penchant for playing musical chairs w/the historical evidence in an attempt to  bend/tilt the truth to your "evidence of truth").

Now, that said, let's quickly establish the contrast in colours w/the wrongly accused and Sarah Stanton ---->

X Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxx (xxxxxxxxx@xxx.com)To:you

Oh...I forgot about your questions...her hair was white possibly premature gray short and curly .

Sent from my iPhone

> Alan Ford <a1anford@aol.com> wrote

In contrast, Prayer Man's hair is neither white, premature gray or curly. You are simply wrong on forcing a woman, let alone Sarah Stanton over into a man's position held throughout several filming sequences.

Now, Does this look familiar to you, Mr. Doyle? ----->

enlarge my profile picture...

Alan's entries have all the veracity of a LeDoux interview with Marina...I've already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Chris Davidson posted metadata that showed his Wiegman enhancement, that showed a woman's face on Prayer Man, was legitimately gotten from the Wiegman original...If we had a debate on that metadata and had Davidson defend it instead of shy away from it for research community political purposes, we would learn that Davidson brought out a woman's face on Prayer Man around the same time Lovelady and Frazier placed Sarah in that spot...I have called-out Alan on the fact the Prayer Man cult cannot find Sarah over to the east of Frazier, like they claim, in any of the photography...Alan tried to say Sarah went back inside immediately after the last shot was fired...When I pointed out to him that if so then Bart Kamp's claim that Stanton is down the east steps in Darnell was proven wrong, Alan did what does every time his points blow up on him - he ignored it and returned with yet another aggressive round of Prayer Man rhetoric that ignores the conclusive facts...Alan is ignoring the science that even Jim DiEugenio admitted he saw stocky features on Prayer Man when he first saw the image...DiEugenio was correct and we can see Sarah Stanton's obese features on Prayer Man like her forearm and hand...She also has measurably-wide female hips like Sarah and the uniform color of her dress fabric can be seen from shoulder to knees...If it was Oswald you would see a break in the color of his pants transitioning from his shirt...You don't see that because you are seeing a short-sleeved dress on Sarah Stanton...Alan of course ignores all this and turns up his aggressive propaganda, but the science he's ignoring proved Prayer Man was Stanton a long time ago...When you bring out a woman's face on Prayer Man that usually proves Prayer Man is not Oswald - unless of course you are the current group of bozos known as the JFK assassination research community...Then you get your dirty moderator to ban the talented researcher who proved it on false charges and you continue the delusion that you're not a pack of incompetent hacks...Alan should go become a member of the Education Forum under James Gordon where rotten claims on Prayer Man are encouraged and those who post the good evidence are banned...Myself, I just placed Alan on ignore because I don't have time for one-sided t****ing that ignores the correct evidence...

As to Mrs Robert Reid, it is kind of a crazy theory I would normally not have anything to do with...It is just that I happened to find evidence that it might be true by accident...Iacoletti posted that the two women, "Jeraldean Reid" in Sarah Stanton's photo album and "Mrs Robert Reid" in Cook-Cooper appeared to look like two different people...I tend to agree...Further research is needed on this...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 04:35:23 PM

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Looks like Alan has been talking to Rosa or Wanda. Maybe now we’ll get the real story.

Anyone could compare my conversations with Wanda to Alan's obviously distorted short clips and see the difference...

Wanda told me "Prayer Man has to be my grand mother because she's obviously the biggest one out there on the steps"...

When shown Davidson for the first time and not really knowing the context Wanda said to be honest that woman was too pretty to be Sarah...("Woman" therefore excluding Oswald as being Prayer Man)...Wanda kept the streak going of every single person seeing Davidson saying it appeared to be a female...Every single person who saw it commented it appeared to show a female face...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Alan J. Ford on September 27, 2019, 04:47:36 PM
@ Mr. Iacoletti, I'm pressed for time, but will certainly look over the images I have this weekend (not stalling here, just want to be sure instead of Doyle-sure).


X Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx (xxxxxxxxx@xxx.com)To:you Details   

Hello Alan,
I have many photos including the offices inside the Texas School depository i just need to find them.  The good news is that we just organized our garage Saturday, how soon do you need the photos?

Yes, I was named after my great Aunt Xxxxxxx.  Sarah was my paternal Grandmother.

If it is only a photo of her I believe I have some in my Shutterfly account thst I can pull up and send pretty quick, just let me know.

Thanks,
Xxxxxxxx

Sent from my iPhone


> On May 30, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Alan Ford <a1anford@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Ms./Mrs. Xxxxxxxxxx
>
> I'm Alan Ford. For research purposes, I am trying to compile photographic images of all 69 employees of the Texas School Depository Building in November, 1963. Are you related somehow to Mrs. Stanton (Sarah Dean Daniel)? She would have been 41 years old in 1963. She had a sister I believe named Xxxxxxx (perhaps you may have been named for her if you are indeed related to her). I'd be much obliged if you may have a picture or two of her during the early 1960's.
>
> Thanks for listening. God Bless you & yours ma'am.
>
> Alan

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Back next week to reengage, Mr. Doyle (come clean). Meanwhile, MUCH respect for Mr. DiEugenio, Mr. Kamp, RoKC, Mr. Gordon, etc

*self-reminder: take note of Mrs. Bray's stance in this link ---->  https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth568652/m1/1/ 
and compare to Mrs. Robert A. Reid's stance over on Mr. Moricet's site. Then do some digging to determine if Mrs. Bray is a sibling or relative of Jeraldine Bray (Mrs. Robert A. Reid).
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 04:58:28 PM

Honest Alan here is skirting the issue that Wanda Daniel was in strong agreement Prayer Man was her grand mother Sarah...

You can see Alan avoiding it in his quotes...

He's also running from the points I made in my last post and self-referencing...

Good to see Alan honestly put Gordon on the Prayer Man team and not as a credible neutral moderator...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
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Alan's entries have all the veracity of a LeDoux interview with Marina...

Says the guy who interviewed Rosa and Wanda and then proceeded to misrepresent everything they said.

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I've already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

No you haven’t.

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Chris Davidson posted metadata that showed his Wiegman enhancement, that showed a woman's face on Prayer Man, was legitimately gotten from the Wiegman original...

False.

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DiEugenio was correct and we can see Sarah Stanton's obese features on Prayer Man like her forearm and hand...

No we can’t.

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She also has measurably-wide female hips like Sarah

No s/he doesn’t.

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and the uniform color of her dress fabric can be seen from shoulder to knees...

No it can’t.

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Iacoletti posted that the two women, "Jeraldean Reid" in Sarah Stanton's photo album and "Mrs Robert Reid" in Cook-Cooper appeared to look like two different people...

Iacoletti doesn’t agree that there is a “Mrs Robert Reid” in the Cook film. Nor is there any evidence that there is.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
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Wanda told me "Prayer Man has to be my grand mother because she's obviously the biggest one out there on the steps"...

Why would anybody trust anything you claim to be true, when you misrepresent the things that are actually recorded and available?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 05:09:09 PM
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Honest Alan here is skirting the issue that Wanda Daniel was in strong agreement Prayer Man was her grand mother Sarah...

There’s no evidence of this whatsoever. Hopefully Alan will separate fact from Doyle fabrication.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 05:33:43 PM
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There’s no evidence of this whatsoever. Hopefully Alan will separate fact from Doyle fabrication.

"No evidence" except for 12:12 and 13:35 where Wanda agrees that Prayer Man is definitely her grandmother Sarah...Iacoletti is the prevaricator and the one who has a record of non-truth, not me, as this proof confirms:


I really dread persons like Alan Ford getting to important witnesses like Wanda Daniel...Anyone can see Alan's communications are void of the Prayer Man subject matter or confronting Wanda's proven confirmation of it...

The Prayer Man people are allowed to openly lie and deny evidence with no challenge...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 05:39:28 PM
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Why would anybody trust anything you claim to be true, when you misrepresent the things that are actually recorded and available?

Because it is right there in the interview at the cited points you are contemptuously ignoring...

Because you can hear Wanda saying it in the linked video...

YOU are the mis-representer here not me...In Iacoletti's world Wanda saying that Sarah was "definitely" Prayer Man twice is what he says is me lying and misrepresenting what Wanda said...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
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And if that’s Campbell, the Reid candidate is nowhere near his elbow.

John,

It's funny how you so often "out" yourself.

1) "I don't want to say anything suggesting that that black-blouse-and -black-headscarf-wearing woman in Betzner-3 might be the same person as the big, tall, wide-hipped, black-blouse-and-black-headscarf-wearing gal in Zapruder, so I'm not going to agree with you to call her 'Black-Headscarf-Wearing Woman'.  But I do have a great idea -- let's call her 'Glasses Woman,' instead!"

"What?!  Gloria Calvery always wore glasses?? Okay, I'm not going to call her 'Glasses Woman'".

2) "Those three people on the Pergola Patio, one of whom appears to be wearing a Baby-Boy-Blue-colored headscarf, might actually be Bermuda-shorts-wearing men, or guys wearing trousers tucked into very high flesh-colored boots."

3) When Ochus said, "Those three women were at my elbow," he meant it literally, dammit!"

L O L

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 27, 2019, 09:12:19 PM
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She also has measurably-wide female hips like Sarah and the uniform color of her dress fabric can be seen from shoulder to knees...If it was Oswald you would see a break in the color of his pants transitioning from his shirt...You don't see that because you are seeing a short-sleeved dress on Sarah Stanton...Alan of course ignores all this and turns up his aggressive propaganda, but the science he's ignoring proved Prayer Man was Stanton a long time ago.

Sorry Doyle, the figure is not Sarah Stanton. That's only a figment of your imagination that you continue to falsely claim. The figure is man who is wearing a short sleeve shirt. The shirt cuts off at the waist, which is visible to detect, and is definitely not a dress as you claim. The figure is also a man when you focus on the receding hairline. There is no wide looking hips either. Sarah Stanton's own FBI testimony debunks your false claim that you continue to deny. Stanton never witnessed Buell Frazier to stare at him and she immediately left after hearing three explosions and went inside the building to see what was happening on the second floor. You can deny it all you want, these are the documented facts and you only have a false claim.

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives) Sarah Stanton:"She was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."
 
Stanton immediately went inside the building after hearing the three explosions. That gives her no time to be staring
at Buell Frazier for a long time. She had no idea what was happening and was looking out a window inside. if she was the prayer figure, she would have stated in this testimony she was 'outside staring in shock' and knew what was happening. The prayer figure is not Sarah Stanton.

Sarah Stanton: (11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

Stanton's own testimony clearly debunks Doyle's false claim of her being the prayer figure. Stanton's own testimony is the complete opposite of what Doyle is trying to claim. Sarah Stanton on 11-23-63 when she gave her testimony, would know more about her own actions that day than Brian Doyle would 56 years later on 9-27-19.

Sarah Stanton (3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley…Mr. Otis Williams…Mrs. T.B. Saunders…and Billy Lovelady. I heard three shots after the President’s car passed the front of the building but I could not see the President’s car at that time. I cannot say positively where the shots came from. I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day.”

Sarah Stanton in her own testimony never even mention the name of Buell Frazier. the man (according to Doyle) who she is supposed to be 'staring at in shock or a long time'. If she was the prayer figure, Frazier would have been the first name she mentioned and would have said she 'stared at him in shock'. She said nothing about Frazier and said she immediately went inside. This would give her no time to be staring in 'shock'. She also did not know the President was shot since she was looking out the window on the second floor to see what was happening. if she was the prayer figure, she would have known for sure what was happening and would have stated that in her FBI testimony. It's a shame that Brian Doyle rejects the testimony of Sarah Stanton, the person he claims to be the prayer figure, and instead creates an alternate reality of what he claims she was doing that day. Stanton also clearly states she did not see Oswald that day, so Doyle is wrong on all accounts.     
 
 
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 09:44:24 PM
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The shirt cuts off at the waist, which is visible to detect, and is definitely not a dress as you claim.

That's a lie...

Any good quality image of Prayer Man in Darnell will show no change in color from shoulder to knee on Prayer Man's garment...If it was Oswald you would see a change in color and fabric from shirt to pants...

Rick or anyone else will not be able to show any good quality shot of Prayer Man in Darnell that shows the change in color Rick is lying about here...

Mytton would not be able to show it...

The hips are also photogrammetrically measurable and are way too wide to be the slender Oswald's...The Prayer Man people know this is true and are blatantly lying about it...

The buttons that are seen on the top of the garment are seen at the pants level too (proving they can't be buttons from the shirt going down past the pants)...They are dress buttons that go all the way down like is common on dresses...

Rick Plants tells us he knows Prayer Man is Stanton because he avoids answering Davidson's enhancement and its metadata...Rick exists in an alternate reality where the figure he is saying was a man was proven to have a woman's face by Davidson...This is the Prayer Man crazies and their methods in a nut shell...They think they can ignore valid evidence they can't answer because they are used to getting away with it on their uncredible websites...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 10:12:26 PM
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"No evidence" except for 12:12 and 13:35 where Wanda agrees that Prayer Man is definitely her grandmother Sarah...Iacoletti is the prevaricator and the one who has a record of non-truth, not me, as this proof confirms:

I’ve never heard a more leading interview in my life. And that includes the WC lawyers.

She didn’t strongly agree with anything. You put words in her mouth. She said the image you showed her was too pretty to be her grandmother. Then you immediately start arguing with her about Oswald going “up” after Sarah saw him, just like you argued with Rosa about the Pepsi. You’re shamelessly pushing an agenda and nothing else.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 27, 2019, 10:17:28 PM
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The hips are also photogrammetrically measurable and are way too wide to be the slender Oswald's...

Who photogrammetricly measured them? Certainly not you. You can’t even figure out how to post your own photos.

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Rick Plants tells us he knows Prayer Man is Stanton because he avoids answering Davidson's enhancement and its metadata...

Davidson didn’t post metadata.

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Rick exists in an alternate reality where the figure he is saying was a man was proven to have a woman's face by Davidson...

Davidson specifically said he didn’t prove anything.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 27, 2019, 11:03:18 PM
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That's a lie...

Any good quality image of Prayer Man in Darnell will show no change in color from shoulder to knee on Prayer Man's garment...If it was Oswald you would see a change in color and fabric from shirt to pants...

Sorry Doyle, it is not a lie. The shirt is visibly seen cut off right at the waist. A dress wouldn't be cut off at the waist. Also, the women weren't wearing light dresses that day since it was a cool day.

If a person is wearing the same color shirt and pants, there will be no change. it can't be a dress like you claim since you can see a short sleeve shirt cut off at the waist.

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Rick or anyone else will not be able to show any good quality shot of Prayer Man in Darnell that shows the change in color Rick is lying about here...

Mytton would not be able to show it...

The hips are also photogrammetrically measurable and are way too wide to be the slender Oswald's...The Prayer Man people know this is true and are blatantly lying about it.

Sorry Doyle, open your eyes. It's not a dress, it's a short sleeve shirt. There are no woman's hips either. This is a man with a receding hairline. Did it ever occur to you that this could be another man and not Oswald? Stanton in her testimony refutes your claim of her standing there. She never mentions Frazier.   

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The buttons that are seen on the top of the garment are seen at the pants level too (proving they can't be buttons from the shirt going down past the pants)...They are dress buttons that go all the way down like is common on dresses..

Doyle, this is a man's shirt since the sleeve is right at the elbow, and there are no buttons going all the way down. The shirt cuts off at the waist. This is a shirt and pants, not a one piece dress.
 
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Rick Plants tells us he knows Prayer Man is Stanton because he avoids answering Davidson's enhancement and its metadata...Rick exists in an alternate reality where the figure he is saying was a man was proven to have a woman's face by Davidson...This is the Prayer Man crazies and their methods in a nut shell...They think they can ignore valid evidence they can't answer because they are used to getting away with it on their uncredible websites...

No Doyle, you exist in an alternate reality when you reject Sarah Stanton's own FBI testimony in favor of your fantasy theory of dresses and her staring in shock.

I'm not looking at "uncredible websites" Doyle. I'm reading the direct testimony from Sarah Stanton that you are rejecting for your own alternate reality. Funny how you know more of what Sarah Stanton did that day than she did herself. Sarah Stanton in her own testimony debunks your phony claim of her being the prayer figure. Your weak debating tactics aren't going to work since the figure is wearing a short sleeve shirt and Stanton testified to being inside. Your theory is toast. Get the jelly, jam, or butter. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 27, 2019, 11:11:08 PM
We have the "ever changing" Mrs. Reid who has drastically changed her appearance in all three photos.

First up, we have Jeraldean Bray in a High School photo who went on to become the real Mrs. Reid. Bray has a wide nose and distinct high cheek bones with a rounded chin.

Next, we have a woman who has drastically changed her appearance in 1963 who we will call the "Fake Mrs. Reid". This woman has none of the facial features of Jeraldean Bray. Her nose is completely different and has no distinct high cheek bones or the rounded chin. She has a different jaw line as well as the shape of the nose. Just two days later, this woman looks different at the police station looking more pudgy than when she was on the sidewalk. Those woman look similar but are not a positive match.

Then surprisingly, just four years later, "Mrs. Reid" completely altered her face when she was posing for a color photo. "Mrs. Reid" is looking completely different than while out on the sidewalk in 1963. This woman in the color photo is not wearing glasses like the "Fake Mrs. Reid" and bears a resemblance to the young Jeraldean Bray. She has none of the facial features of the "Fake Mrs. Reid" on the sidewalk. 

So there is no way you can have a candidate for "Mrs. Reid" looking drastically different and claim this is the same woman in all 3 photos. That is impossible unless you believe she had two plastic surgeries in a span of four years changing her face.

Now, if you state that Jeraldean Bray is the real Mrs. Reid, you can no longer claim that the woman on the sidewalk is "Mrs. Reid" since this is not the same woman. She is a fake Mrs Reid.

If you claim the woman on the sidewalk is "Mrs. Reid" who is the "Fake Mrs. Reid", then you can't state the woman in the color photo is Mrs. Reid since it is not the same woman.

We have only one Mrs. Reid who is Jeraldean Bray and not the woman on the sidewalk.

As we look at Mrs. Robert Reid's testimony, you will see that the woman on the sidewalk is not Jeraldean Reid aka Mrs. Robert Reid.

Mr. BELIN. On Exhibit 497, and you went back to your office. Did you go by your desk?
Mrs. REID. I am sure I did because I usually leave my purse in there until I get ready to go out and then pick it up.
Mr. BELIN. All right. You walked toward the number marked 29 on Exhibit 497?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. Then where did you walk?
Mrs. REID. I came over here and got my jacket and scarf out of the closet.

So, the real Mrs. Robert Reid was wearing a scarf on that day since she clearly stated she went to the closet to get her jacket and scarf. The "Fake Mrs. Reid" on the sidewalk wasn't wearing a scarf in the photograph or video footage. So, the woman on the sidewalk is not Mrs. Reid since she wasn't wearing a scarf like the real Mrs. Reid testified to. Also, the woman on the sidewalk was wearing glasses and the real Mrs. Reid didn't wear glasses if you say the woman in the color photo matches a young Bray. 

With  Mrs. Robert Reid's official testimony, the woman on the sidewalk is not Jearldean Reid since she wasn't wearing a scarf like Mrs. Robert Reid testified to.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 27, 2019, 11:16:16 PM
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We have only one Mrs. Reid who is Jeraldean Bray and not the woman on the sidewalk.

You have neglected to answer the fact Sarah Stanton had "Jeraldean Reid" penned in as the caption for her photo album Jeraldean Bray...

The Warren Commission said the woman on the sidewalk was "Mrs Robert Reid" who was understood to be "Jeraldean Reid"...

You failed to answer for the inherent conflict...

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 11:26:19 PM
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As we look at Mrs. Robert Reid's testimony, you will see that the woman on the sidewalk is not Jeraldean Reid aka Mrs. Robert Reid.

Mr. BELIN. On Exhibit 497, and you went back to your office. Did you go by your desk?
Mrs. REID. I am sure I did because I usually leave my purse in there until I get ready to go out and then pick it up.
Mr. BELIN. All right. You walked toward the number marked 29 on Exhibit 497?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. Then where did you walk?
Mrs. REID. I came over here and got my jacket and scarf out of the closet.

So, the real Mrs. Robert Reid was wearing a scarf on that day since she clearly stated she went to the closet to get her jacket and scarf. The "Fake Mrs. Reid" on the sidewalk wasn't wearing a scarf in the photograph or video footage. So, the woman on the sidewalk is not Mrs. Reid since she wasn't wearing a scarf like the real Mrs. Reid testified to. Also, the woman on the sidewalk was wearing glasses and the real Mrs. Reid didn't wear glasses if you say the woman in the color photo matches a young Bray. 

With  Mrs. Robert Reid's official testimony, the woman on the sidewalk is not Jearldean Reid since she wasn't wearing a scarf like Mrs. Robert Reid testified to.


Rick "Stairway to Heaven" Plant,

Was there a municipal code stipulating Jeraldean couldn't put her scarf in her purse but had to wear it, even though by two or two-thirty the wind had died down and it had become a nice day, weather-wise?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Whenever I'm trying to look alluring in an indoor "flash" photograph, I always take my glasses off ...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 27, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
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You have neglected to answer the fact Sarah Stanton had "Jeraldean Reid" penned in as the caption for her photo album Jeraldean Bray...

Well, you reject the official FBI testimony of Sarah Stanton in favor of your fake theory so why would you believe what Sarah Stanton "penned"? Bray looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk. The woman on the sidewalk look nothing like the woman  in the color photo. Mrs. Reid said she was wearing a scarf. The woman on the sidewalk doesn't have a scarf.


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The Warren Commission said the woman on the sidewalk was "Mrs Robert Reid" who was understood to be "Jeraldean Reid"...

You failed to answer for the inherent conflict...

You've failed to answer why you reject Sarah Stanton's FBI testimony (in favor of your phony theory) when she confirms she is not the prayer figure.

These women are not the same, so there is a conflict. You can't look drastically different in a span of four years with new facial features and claim this is the same woman in the High School and color photo.   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 27, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
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Stairway to Heaven,

Was there a municipal code stipulating she couldn't put her scarf in her purse but had to wear it, even though the wind had died down and it had become a nice day, weather-wise?

--  MWT  ;)

Ah, a conspiracy theory for her not wearing the scarf. Thumb1:
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 27, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
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Rick "Stairway to Heaven" Plant,

Was there a municipal code stipulating Jeraldean couldn't put her scarf in her purse but had to wear it, even though by two or two-thirty the wind had died down and it had become a nice day, weather-wise?

--  MWT  ;)

Mrs. Reid specifically stated she went to get her jacket and scarf. Several women were photographed wearing scarfs outside that day. She would be wearing one too. That's the whole point of wearing a scarf for inclement weather.   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 11:47:14 PM
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Mrs. Reid specifically stated she went to get her jacket and scarf. Several women were photographed wearing scarfs outside that day. She would be wearing one too. That's the whole point of wearing a scarf for inclement weather.

Rick,

It's too bad John Iacoletti isn't here, because if he was, he'd challenge you on that and scream, "You made it up!"

Oh wait, I guess he wouldn't, seein' as how it would tend to undermine his agenda if he did ...

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Was the weather still "inclement" at  2 PM or so?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 27, 2019, 11:55:44 PM
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Ah, a conspiracy theory for her not wearing the scarf. Thumb1:

Rick,

I think you're a little confused.

That's you and Brian, maybe, but what am I?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 12:00:54 AM
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Rick,

It's too bad John Iacoletti isn't here, because if he was, he'd challenge you on that and scream, "You made it up!"

Oh wait, I guess he wouldn't, seein' as how it would tend to undermine his agenda if he did ...

--  MWT   ;)

PS  Was the weather still "inclement" at  2 PM or so?

The point is women were photographed wearing scarfs during the day and Mrs. Reid testified to getting her scarf from the closet. The woman on the sidewalk who looks nothing like Bray had no scarf in the photograph or video footage. Making up a theory as to why she had no scarf is not real evidence. The evidence is in the testimony that people want to reject.     
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 12:26:13 AM
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I've already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton

That's hard to claim when Sarah Stanton's own FBI testimony refutes your phony claim. :D

Stanton said she immediately went inside after hearing 3 explosions and went up the elevator to the second floor to look out the window to see what was happening. Your phony theory has her knowing what was happening "staring in shock for a long time" at Buell Frazier whom she never even testified standing anywhere near. So, that debunks your phony claim. Her testimony refutes your whole phony claim. Also, the fact the prayer figure is a man wearing a short sleeve shirt that cuts off at the waist with a receding hairline. But you see a chubby woman wearing the shortest dress ever with a uniform color and buttons going all the way down. Crazy stuff Doyle. That's not Sarah Stanton, give it up. You've proved nothing since Stanton's own FBI testimony proves that figure is not Sarah Stanton.   
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 01:03:18 AM
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Well, you reject the official FBI testimony of Sarah Stanton in favor of your fake theory so why would you believe what Sarah Stanton "penned"? Bray looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk. The woman on the sidewalk look nothing like the woman  in the color photo. Mrs. Reid said she was wearing a scarf. The woman on the sidewalk doesn't have a scarf.


You've failed to answer why you reject Sarah Stanton's FBI testimony (in favor of your phony theory) when she confirms she is not the prayer figure.

These women are not the same, so there is a conflict. You can't look drastically different in a span of four years with new facial features and claim this is the same woman in the High School and color photo.   

Duh...

(Imagine anyone rejecting FBI's word in the Kennedy assassination)...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 01:49:31 AM
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The Warren Commission said the woman on the sidewalk was "Mrs Robert Reid"

Complete and utter BS.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 01:52:52 AM
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PS  Was the weather still "inclement" at  2 PM or so?

Give it up Graves. There’s no reason to think they’re “going home”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 01:54:33 AM
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The point is women were photographed wearing scarfs during the day and Mrs. Reid testified to getting her scarf from the closet. The woman on the sidewalk who looks nothing like Bray had no scarf in the photograph or video footage. Making up a theory as to why she had no scarf is not real evidence. The evidence is in the testimony that people want to reject.   

Rick,

I can understand ladies in that part of Texas wearing their beautiful headscarves continuously every gosh-darned minute they were outside that day, but Reid had evidently taken hers off when she arrived at work that morning and decided she didn't need to wear it while watching the motorcade (as suggested not only by her testimony, but by the fact she's not wearing one in Wiegman), so when she retrieved it from her office an hour or two later (when the weather was even better), she didn't necessarily retrieve it so she could wear it while going home, but, you know, to get it -- to have it in her possession once again.  And after all, that's what purses are for, right?

To put unneeded-at-the-moment headscarves, and various-and-sundry other (highly necessary -- LOL) things into.

-- MWT 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 01:59:48 AM
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Give it up Graves. There’s no reason to think they’re “going home”.

John,

Isn't it pretty obvious that those three gals and several other people were waiting patiently to cross the street, as we can see them starting to do in the Cook-Cooper clip?

Where do you think they were going, and, more importantly, when -- given the fact that everyone looks pretty composed and in no particular hurry?

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 02:05:06 AM
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I can understand ladies in that part of Texas wearing their beautiful headscarves continuously every gosh-darned minute they were outside that day, but Reid had evidently taken hers off when she arrived at work that morning and decided she didn't need to wear it while watching the motorcade (as suggested not only by her testimony, but by the fact she's not wearing one in Wiegman),

You love circular arguments, don’t you?

How does her testimony suggest she didn’t put on her scarf? Why did she get it then?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 02:06:00 AM
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John,

It's obvious that those three gals and several other people were waiting patiently to cross the street.

Where do you think they were going, and when, given the fact that everyone looks pretty composed and in no particular hurry?

--  MWT   ;)

Hey I can ask questions too. Why would Cook be filming ladies going home at 2:30 pm?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 02:09:46 AM
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How does her testimony suggest she didn’t put on her scarf? Why did she get it then?

John,

Maybe she didn't want that scarf to "go missing," and/or she was thinking she might wear it the next morning?

Beats the heck out of me.

--  MWT  ;)



Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 02:17:00 AM
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Hey I can ask questions too. Why would Cook be filming ladies going home at 2:30 pm?

John,

Why try to give yourself a perceived-by-you "advantage" by leading us to believe Cook filmed those people who were getting ready to cross the street at Reid's outside estimate of two-thirty?

Going from memory here, but didn't Reid say she thought she'd left at some point between two and two-thirty?

Regardless, it was kind of a "red-letter day" for news photographer Cook and the others, wasn't it?

Regardless redux, do you really think all of the other pros had already finished shooting by 2:30, just two hours after the assassination?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  You would have been an above-average criminal defense lawyer, but I would have "torn you a new one" in court, just as I've been doing for the past year, or so, here.

LOL

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:07:46 AM
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Rick,

I think you're a little confused.

Says the guy who thinks "Mrs. Reid" is the same woman in the High School, sidewalk, and color photo. :D

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:09:04 AM
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Rick,

I can understand ladies in that part of Texas wearing their beautiful headscarves continuously every gosh-darned minute they were outside that day, but Reid had evidently taken hers off when she arrived at work that morning and decided she didn't need to wear it while watching the motorcade (as suggested not only by her testimony, but by the fact she's not wearing one in Wiegman), so when she retrieved it from her office about an hour later (and when the weather was even better), she didn't necessarily retrieve it so she could put it on again while going home, but, you know, to get it -- to have it in her possession once again.  And after all, that's what purses are for, right?

To put unneeded-at-the-moment headscarves, and various-and-sundry other (highly necessary -- LOL) things into.

-- MWT

Great conspiracy Thomas.  Thumb1:
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:17:36 AM
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Duh...

(Imagine anyone rejecting FBI's word in the Kennedy assassination)...

Doyle only has fake claims with no evidence. He rejects actual documemted evidence since it refutes his. Doyle can no longer cite any testimony from any witnesses since he just said he rejects it.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 04:18:33 AM
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Great conspiracy Thomas.  Thumb1:

I don't have a dog in this fight, dude.

I'm just striving to uncover the truth where ever it may lead, even if it's fifteen Oswalds planted by the evil, evil, evil CIA in the TSBD, or a hypnotized-by-Dave-Ferrie Oswald, squeezin' off three shots from Gerry Hemming'30-30 Johnson.

Anything but those humanitarian organizations known as the KGB and the DGI.

-- MWT   ;)

PS  You?  What's your agenda, other than to parrot Iacoletti?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:20:40 AM
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You love circular arguments, don’t you?

How does her testimony suggest she didn’t put on her scarf? Why did she get it then?

All they have are ridiculous arguments and claims that results in a never ending argument. They reject the clear evidence and they don't have any real answers when their claims are refuted.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:26:18 AM
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Rick,

I can understand ladies in that part of Texas wearing their beautiful headscarves continuously every gosh-darned minute they were outside that day, but Reid had evidently taken hers off when she arrived at work that morning and decided she didn't need to wear it while watching the motorcade (as suggested not only by her testimony, but by the fact she's not wearing one in Wiegman), so when she retrieved it from her office an hour or two later (when the weather was even better), she didn't necessarily retrieve it so she could wear it while going home, but, you know, to get it -- to have it in her possession once again.  And after all, that's what purses are for, right?

To put unneeded-at-the-moment headscarves, and various-and-sundry other (highly necessary -- LOL) things into.

-- MWT

All the women who had a scarf that day were wearing it in the photographs. Reid made sure to get her scarf from the closet so she could wear it outside. That is the whole point. The fake "Mrs. Reid" was not wearing a scarf on the sidewalk and looks nothing like Bray in the color photo. Nobody can say they look the same because they don't. 
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 04:28:46 AM

Thomas: Do you find it as amusing as I do that Mr Plant doesn't seem to realize he is a strong backer of Groden's claim?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:32:20 AM
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I don't have a dog in this fight, dude.

I'm just striving to uncover the truth where ever it may lead, even if it's fifteen Oswalds planted by the evil, evil, evil CIA in the TSBD, or a hypnotized-by-Dave-Ferrie Oswald, squeezin' off three shots from Gerry Hemming'30-30 Johnson.

Anything but those humanitarian organizations known as the KGB and the DGI.

-- MWT   ;)

PS  You?  What's your agenda, other than to parrot Iacoletti?

I'm looking to find solid credible evidence as well and not subscribe to phony claims like Stanton being prayer woman with no evidence at all. You said this woman looks like "Mrs. Reid" in all her photos which is not true. You are making excuses about the scarf when Mrs. Reid said she made sure to get her scarf. So, you aren't being very credible as far as I'm concerned. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:34:33 AM
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Thomas: Do you find it as amusing as I do that Mr Plant doesn't seem to realize he is a strong backer of Groden's claim?...

No, I'm not a backer of Groden's claim. And you are too ignorant to understand except to parrot your Sarah Stanton nonsense.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 04:34:47 AM
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I'm looking to find solid credible evidence as well and not subscribe to phony claims like Stanton being prayer woman with no evidence at all. You said this woman looks like "Mrs. Reid" in all her photos which is not true. You are making excuses about the scarf when Mrs. Reid said she made sure to get her scarf. So, you aren't being very credible as far as I'm concerned.


You're entitled to your opinion Rick.

Bye.

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 04:38:08 AM
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You're entitled to your opinion Rick.

Bye.

--  MWT   ;)


Adios!

You can't be looking to find credible evidence when you make excuses when credible evidence is found.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 04:47:22 AM
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You love circular arguments, don’t you?

Is that a question, or an answer, Socrates?

How does her testimony suggest she didn’t put on her scarf?

Was she obligated to volunteer that, after she'd retrieved her headscarf, purse, and jacket, she didn't put her headscarf on?

How far into minutia do you think she should have voluntarily dived?

Why did she get it then?

You mean when she also picked up her purse and her jacket?  Gosh, I don't know.  Maybe because she didn't want to go missing, or maybe she was planning on wearing it the next morning?

Beats the heck outta me, John.  It really does  LOL


--  MWT   :D  :D   :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 04:48:15 AM
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No, I'm not a backer of Groden's claim.

Yes you are if you say Jeraldean Bray and the woman on the sidewalk are two different people...

No matter how many times Iacoletti tries to lie around it, the Commission did say the woman on the sidewalk and sitting next to Leavelle was Jeraldean Bray Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 28, 2019, 09:07:40 AM
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Sorry Doyle, the figure is not Sarah Stanton. That's only a figment of your imagination that you continue to falsely claim. The figure is man who is wearing a short sleeve shirt. The shirt cuts off at the waist, which is visible to detect, and is definitely not a dress as you claim. The figure is also a man when you focus on the receding hairline. There is no wide looking hips either. Sarah Stanton's own FBI testimony debunks your false claim that you continue to deny. Stanton never witnessed Buell Frazier to stare at him and she immediately left after hearing three explosions and went inside the building to see what was happening on the second floor. You can deny it all you want, these are the documented facts and you only have a false claim.

Sarah Stanton (11-23-63 interview with FBI agent Nat Pinkston recounted in an 11-29-63 memo found in the Dallas FBI files at the Weisberg Archives) Sarah Stanton:"She was standing on the front steps of the building as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions, however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator and went to the second floor offices and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk."
 
Stanton immediately went inside the building after hearing the three explosions. That gives her no time to be staring
at Buell Frazier for a long time. She had no idea what was happening and was looking out a window inside. if she was the prayer figure, she would have stated in this testimony she was 'outside staring in shock' and knew what was happening. The prayer figure is not Sarah Stanton.

Sarah Stanton: (11-23-63 interview recounted in 12-10-63 FBI report, CD7 p.20) “Sarah Stanton...advised that she is employed in the second floor office of the Texas School Book Depository...and at about 12:30 on November 22, 1963, she was standing on the front steps as the President passed and shortly thereafter, she heard three explosions; however, she did not know where they came from and immediately went into the building, caught the elevator, and went to the second floor offices, and into the office of the Southwestern Publishing Company, located there, to try to look out the window and see what was happening. She then went to the restroom and later returned to her desk.”

Stanton's own testimony clearly debunks Doyle's false claim of her being the prayer figure. Stanton's own testimony is the complete opposite of what Doyle is trying to claim. Sarah Stanton on 11-23-63 when she gave her testimony, would know more about her own actions that day than Brian Doyle would 56 years later on 9-27-19.

Sarah Stanton (3-18-64 statement to the FBI, 22H675) “I was born on 6-9-22..I am a white female...when President John F. Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository with Mr. William Shelley…Mr. Otis Williams…Mrs. T.B. Saunders…and Billy Lovelady. I heard three shots after the President’s car passed the front of the building but I could not see the President’s car at that time. I cannot say positively where the shots came from. I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day.”

Sarah Stanton in her own testimony never even mention the name of Buell Frazier. the man (according to Doyle) who she is supposed to be 'staring at in shock or a long time'. If she was the prayer figure, Frazier would have been the first name she mentioned and would have said she 'stared at him in shock'. She said nothing about Frazier and said she immediately went inside. This would give her no time to be staring in 'shock'. She also did not know the President was shot since she was looking out the window on the second floor to see what was happening. if she was the prayer figure, she would have known for sure what was happening and would have stated that in her FBI testimony. It's a shame that Brian Doyle rejects the testimony of Sarah Stanton, the person he claims to be the prayer figure, and instead creates an alternate reality of what he claims she was doing that day. Stanton also clearly states she did not see Oswald that day, so Doyle is wrong on all accounts.   

Sorry to be so repetitive here (ahem), but from the film evidence only, it appears to ME that this, this PP is some dude taking pictures with a camera, but it was NOT Oswald, for obvious reasons (ahem).  Perhaps someone from off the street , getting a higher/less sunlit view of the prez' going by.  We should place an ad in the Dallas News asking for anyone who was near the TSBD around the time Kennedy was shot to check and see if there are pertinent photos and/or undeveloped rolls of film.   I'm sure Dr. Doyle and all of his believers (how many? 2?) would pay for the full-page ad in The Dallas Morning News (it's 150k in the New York Times), so I'd say 30k for that rag.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 09:17:16 AM
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Sorry to be so repetitive here (ahem), but from the film evidence only, it appears to ME that this, this PP is some dude taking pictures with a camera, but it was NOT Oswald, for obvious reasons (ahem).  Perhaps someone from off the street , getting a higher/less sunlit view of the prez' going by.  We should place an ad in the Dallas News asking for anyone who was near the TSBD around the time Kennedy was shot to check and see if there are pertinent photos and/or undeveloped rolls of film.   I'm sure Dr. Doyle and all of his believers (how many? 2?) would pay for the full-page ad in The Dallas Morning News (it's 150k in the New York Times), so I'd say 30k for that rag.

Walter,

Would you agree that at some point between the end of Wiegman and the beginning of Darnell, Prayer Person turns a little more towards Frazier?

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Just curious.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 10:53:13 AM
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Yes you are if you say Jeraldean Bray and the woman on the sidewalk are two different people...

No matter how many times Iacoletti tries to lie around it, the Commission did say the woman on the sidewalk and sitting next to Leavelle was Jeraldean Bray Reid...

No, I'm not. Groden claims there are two different Reid's who worked in the building. There was only one Reid and the woman on the sidewalk was  misidentified as Reid. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 11:14:56 AM
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Sorry to be so repetitive here (ahem), but from the film evidence only, it appears to ME that this, this PP is some dude taking pictures with a camera, but it was NOT Oswald, for obvious reasons (ahem).  Perhaps someone from off the street , getting a higher/less sunlit view of the prez' going by.  We should place an ad in the Dallas News asking for anyone who was near the TSBD around the time Kennedy was shot to check and see if there are pertinent photos and/or undeveloped rolls of film.   I'm sure Dr. Doyle and all of his believers (how many? 2?) would pay for the full-page ad in The Dallas Morning News (it's 150k in the New York Times), so I'd say 30k for that rag.

Poor Sarah Stanton would be going bald in 1963 if she was the figure. Guess she forgot her dress that day and opted for a man's short sleeve shirt instead. What happened to the purse? Did she find a camera instead? I'm sure the Dr. of photography would still see a chubby woman wearing a dress with buttons and holding a purse after the 30k film development had a glitch with the metadata. :D
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 02:01:12 PM
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Maybe she didn't want that scarf to "go missing," and/or she was thinking she might wear it the next morning?

Maybe that’s not Mrs Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
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PS  You would have been an above-average criminal defense lawyer, but I would have "torn you a new one" in court, just as I've been doing for the past year, or so, here.

Further proof that you are utterly delusional.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 02:06:50 PM
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No matter how many times Iacoletti tries to lie around it, the Commission did say the woman on the sidewalk and sitting next to Leavelle was Jeraldean Bray Reid...

Cite where the Commission said that, Mr. Fabricator.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 03:46:43 PM
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Sorry to be so repetitive here (ahem), but from the film evidence only, it appears to ME that this, this PP is some dude taking pictures with a camera, but it was NOT Oswald, for obvious reasons (ahem).  Perhaps someone from off the street , getting a higher/less sunlit view of the prez' going by.  We should place an ad in the Dallas News asking for anyone who was near the TSBD around the time Kennedy was shot to check and see if there are pertinent photos and/or undeveloped rolls of film.   I'm sure Dr. Doyle and all of his believers (how many? 2?) would pay for the full-page ad in The Dallas Morning News (it's 150k in the New York Times), so I'd say 30k for that rag.

O'Blazney is just t****ing "I think it's a dude with a camera" to anything that is posted...Meanwhile out in credibility land I have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton by means of Davidson's enhancement...If Davidson would man up instead of caving to political pressure and defend his metadata we would see that O'Blazney is just an annoying t**** who is running roughshod across good evidence he hasn't answered that disproves any suggestion that Prayer Man is a male...Rick Plant is a non-truth teller and it can be proven by photogrammetry that Prayer Man has Sarah Stanton's wide hips, vs Oswald's skinny waist, whose thin-ness makes the comparison obvious...(Not to mention obese forearm and hand)...

What the t**** Mark OBlazney won't ever do is have a serious discussion about Davidson and his metadata because that would take serious research and honesty and he's not going to do that as long as he can taunt with pile-on posts instead of serious research...It is fact that Davidson's metadata scientifically proves that Prayer Man is a woman and OBlazney is going to avoid that as long as he gets attention for his t****ing...All Davidson did was drop the image gotten from the video into digital software while adjusting for brightness and contrast and out popped the face of Sarah Stanton on Prayer Man exactly where the testimony that OBlazney is contemptuously ignoring placed her...If we pursued any serious discussion on this with Davidson he would back it up - only Chris has caved to the community political pressure OBlazney represents and failed to defend his own finding because of the dirty pressure that is put on people who challenge the Prayer Man hijackers...James Gordon is a crook who doesn't know what he is doing and the hijackers depend on his dirty corruption to avoid answering this even though Gordon gets away with the murder of saying he is moderating in order to enforce "quality of content" (while he bans the best and brightest while promoting hacks and their bad claims)...Gordon is too stupid to figure this out on his own so he defers to the Prayer Man mob and bans anyone who complains...As long as Gordon is the moderator of the Education Forum it will never be credible...Jim DiEugenio and his sizable stomach wallow in the mud of the EF's corruption and are quite comfortable in its dirty bedding...

When we get the Wiegman original and have it professionally confirmed to possess the face Davidson produced t****s like OBlazney will ignore that they've been posting idiotic stupidity against the most intelligent research and pretend it never happened...There is no punishment for this kind of rogue harassment and intentional maliciousness...Jim DiEugenio pretends to be a moral critic of such persecutions and deliberate dishonesty - but Jim is a dirty bastard who welcomes OBlazney as a friend even though OBlazney commits mortal sin against the good research standards DiEugenio pretends to embody...Just like Lauren Johnson looks the other way on OBlazney being an out-right Lone Nutter on Jim Hess's Lone Nutter Facebook page...Bart Kamp is a liar and lies when confronted by Davidson's metadata...When he lies he gets the full support of banning James Gordon who says he moderates for quality of content...Once confirmed by the original OBlazney will simply move on and t**** the next topic...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 03:52:04 PM
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No, I'm not. Groden claims there are two different Reid's who worked in the building. There was only one Reid and the woman on the sidewalk was  misidentified as Reid.

Which is why she was interviewed at the police station and seen next to Leavelle and Alexander?...

So who was this unnamed woman the Dallas cops showed so much interest in and spared their precious investigation time for in the homicide office Rick?...

Is she just a weird stranger who likes to walk close to Depository employees she doesn't know?...

And why is she seen grouping together with Bonnie Richey and Carolyn Arnold as they leave the Depository in Cook-Cooper?...

(You're not seriously trying to get away with that?)...

Still waiting for Rick Plant to give a straight answer to the fact if Sarah Stanton went back inside immediately then that proves Bart Kamp's location for Stanton down the east side of the steps has to be wrong...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 03:57:54 PM
Iacoletti's t****ing trick is to always be on the aggressive offensive and always be asking the disingenuous questions...But anyone who has followed this thread knows the Commission made clear Mrs Robert Reid was Jeraldean Bray Reid and the two were one in the same...It is clearly Iacoletti who has failed to show why this isn't true and failed to answer the questions...

Accusing someone of lying and fabricating on everything is a really cheap level of evidence discussion and has gotten rather boring...

This is the same man who ignored the quotes from Wanda Daniel that showed she agreed that Prayer Man was Sarah...Iacoletti accused me of lying...When I posted the quotes he ignored it...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
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Maybe that’s not Mrs Reid.

Then why are you so desperately trying to insist that she isn't, because ... gasp ... the way she looks in Cook-Cooper doesn't seem to jibe with her testimony, and because no self-respecting news photographer would hang around the crime scene for as long as one-and-one-half to two hours after a charasmatic U.S. President had been assassinated, taking footage of this and that and the other thing, including (gasp ... can you just imagine?) witnesses waiting patiently for a traffic cop to say, "Okay, you can walk across the street now if you want to," or for the traffic light to change.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 06:01:07 PM

Thomas:  Do you feel that Iacoletti's assertion that he would have no problem referring to the 3 Women as the Holt group is an honest reflection of his previous position?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 07:04:02 PM
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Thomas:  Do you feel that Iacoletti's assertion that he would have no problem referring to the 3 Women as the Holt group is an honest reflection of his previous position?...

Brian,

Where does he say that?

I must have missed it.

TCU 38
Kansas Univ. 0
Early 3rd quarter

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
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What the t**** Mark OBlazney won't ever do is have a serious discussion about Davidson and his metadata because that would take serious research and honesty and he's not going to do that as long as he can taunt with pile-on posts instead of serious research...It is fact that Davidson's metadata scientifically proves that Prayer Man is a woman

Davidson never posted any metadata, but even if he had it wouldn't be scientific proof that Prayer Person is a woman.  That's just your ignorance-based fabrication.  You don't even know what metadata is and what it signifies.

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and OBlazney is going to avoid that as long as he gets attention for his t****ing...All Davidson did was drop the image gotten from the video into digital software while adjusting for brightness and contrast and out popped the face of Sarah Stanton

Sure it did.  LOL.

(http://iacoletti.org/jfk/pp-stanton.jpg)

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on Prayer Man exactly where the testimony that OBlazney is contemptuously ignoring placed her...If we pursued any serious discussion on this with Davidson he would back it up - only Chris has caved to the community political pressure OBlazney represents and failed to defend his own finding because of the dirty pressure that is put on people who challenge the Prayer Man hijackers...

Isn't it interesting how Doyle tries to use Davidson and condemn Davidson in the same bogus argument?

Isn't it interesting how everybody else is a liar and a hack, but the narcissist with 559 falsehoods and fabrications who hears voices that aren't there is the only one with the Truth?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
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Iacoletti's t****ing trick is to always be on the aggressive offensive and always be asking the disingenuous questions...But anyone who has followed this thread knows the Commission made clear Mrs Robert Reid was Jeraldean Bray Reid and the two were one in the same...

Of course they were.  But your claim was that the Commission said that the woman on the sidewalk in Cook was Mrs Robert Reid.  And that the woman next to Leavelle on Sunday is Mrs Reid. Those are flat out false.  The Commission didn't even have the Cook film.

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This is the same man who ignored the quotes from Wanda Daniel that showed she agreed that Prayer Man was Sarah...Iacoletti accused me of lying...When I posted the quotes he ignored it...

"Too pretty to be my grandmother" is not consistent with "strongly agreeing" that she is.  You badgered these poor women with your lies and leading questions.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
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Then why are you so desperately trying to insist that she isn't, because ... gasp ... the way she looks in Cook-Cooper doesn't seem to jibe with her testimony, and because no self-respecting news photographer would hang around the crime scene for as long as one-and-one-half to two hours after a charasmatic U.S. President had been assassinated, taking footage of this and that and the other thing, including (gasp ... can you just imagine?) witnesses waiting patiently for a traffic cop to say, "Okay, you can walk across the street now if you want to," or for the traffic light to change.

You're going to come up with as many lame excuses as necessary to defend your illusion that these women are Mrs Reid.  Even though they don't resemble the actual Mrs Reid, and nobody who knew Mrs Reid ever said that any of them are Mrs Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
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Thomas:  Do you feel that Iacoletti's assertion that he would have no problem referring to the 3 Women as the Holt group is an honest reflection of his previous position?...

I agreed long ago that the middle woman in Darnell looks like Holt.

That has nothing to do with who is who in Zapruder.  Not a damn thing.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
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I’ve never heard a more leading interview in my life. And that includes the WC lawyers.

She didn’t strongly agree with anything. You put words in her mouth. She said the image you showed her was too pretty to be her grandmother. Then you immediately start arguing with her about Oswald going “up” after Sarah saw him, just like you argued with Rosa about the Pepsi. You’re shamelessly pushing an agenda and nothing else.

It is less than honest for Iacoletti to avoid giving a direct answer to the fact Wanda clearly says "definitely" twice when I asked her if she previously agreed that Prayer Man is her grand mother Sarah...

In another phone call Wanda said "It has to be my grand mother because she's obviously the biggest one out there"...

It was only after that call that I realized Sarah said Oswald went up because Sarah herself (or maybe Rosa) believed Oswald did what the FBI said he did and went up and shot Kennedy after she saw him...But you already know that since I've explained it at least a dozen times and you are pretending you don't already know...If you knew how to read evidence the fact Sarah believed FBI made it less likely she would not have told that legal authority about her witnessing of Oswald outside the lunch room...In that other phone call Wanda told me she was present for Sarah's telling that story and she thought Sarah said Oswald said he was going back in to the break room...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 08:07:39 PM
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I agreed long ago that the middle woman in Darnell looks like Holt.

That has nothing to do with who is who in Zapruder.  Not a damn thing.

You're a teller of non-truths...For years you've been t****ing that Westbrook knew better than anyone because she was there and she said it was Calvery...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 08:16:20 PM
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In another phone call Wanda said "It has to be my grand mother because she's obviously the biggest one out there"...

Sure she did. In one of your famous “unrecorded phone conversations”.

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It was only after that call that I realized Sarah said Oswald went up because Sarah herself (or maybe Rosa) believed Oswald did what the FBI said he did and went up and shot Kennedy after she saw him...

In other words, you fabricated a story and then proceeded to claim that Rosa said something she didn’t actually say.

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But you already know that since I've explained it at least a dozen times and you are pretending you don't already know...

Your made-up fantasies don’t entitle you to lie and misrepresent what people say.

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If you knew how to read evidence the fact Sarah believed FBI made it less likely she would not have told that legal authority about her witnessing of Oswald outside the lunch room...

You mean if I knew how to fabricate evidence.

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In that other phone call Wanda told me she was present for Sarah's telling that story and she thought Sarah said Oswald said he was going back in to the break room...

Why would you record one phone call and not the other? You have shown your word to not be reliable.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on September 28, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
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O'Blazney is just t****ing "I think it's a dude with a camera" to anything that is posted...Meanwhile out in credibility land I have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton by means of Davidson's enhancement...If Davidson would man up instead of caving to political pressure and defend his metadata we would see that O'Blazney is just an annoying t**** who is running roughshod across good evidence he hasn't answered that disproves any suggestion that Prayer Man is a male...Rick Plant is a non-truth teller and it can be proven by photogrammetry that Prayer Man has Sarah Stanton's wide hips, vs Oswald's skinny waist, whose thin-ness makes the comparison obvious...(Not to mention obese forearm and hand)...

What the t**** Mark OBlazney won't ever do is have a serious discussion about Davidson and his metadata because that would take serious research and honesty and he's not going to do that as long as he can taunt with pile-on posts instead of serious research...It is fact that Davidson's metadata scientifically proves that Prayer Man is a woman and OBlazney is going to avoid that as long as he gets attention for his t****ing...All Davidson did was drop the image gotten from the video into digital software while adjusting for brightness and contrast and out popped the face of Sarah Stanton on Prayer Man exactly where the testimony that OBlazney is contemptuously ignoring placed her...If we pursued any serious discussion on this with Davidson he would back it up - only Chris has caved to the community political pressure OBlazney represents and failed to defend his own finding because of the dirty pressure that is put on people who challenge the Prayer Man hijackers...James Gordon is a crook who doesn't know what he is doing and the hijackers depend on his dirty corruption to avoid answering this even though Gordon gets away with the murder of saying he is moderating in order to enforce "quality of content" (while he bans the best and brightest while promoting hacks and their bad claims)...Gordon is too stupid to figure this out on his own so he defers to the Prayer Man mob and bans anyone who complains...As long as Gordon is the moderator of the Education Forum it will never be credible...Jim DiEugenio and his sizable stomach wallow in the mud of the EF's corruption and are quite comfortable in its dirty bedding...

When we get the Wiegman original and have it professionally confirmed to possess the face Davidson produced t****s like OBlazney will ignore that they've been posting idiotic stupidity against the most intelligent research and pretend it never happened...There is no punishment for this kind of rogue harassment and intentional maliciousness...Jim DiEugenio pretends to be a moral critic of such persecutions and deliberate dishonesty - but Jim is a dirty bastard who welcomes OBlazney as a friend even though OBlazney commits mortal sin against the good research standards DiEugenio pretends to embody...Just like Lauren Johnson looks the other way on OBlazney being an out-right Lone Nutter on Jim Hess's Lone Nutter Facebook page...Bart Kamp is a liar and lies when confronted by Davidson's metadata...When he lies he gets the full support of banning James Gordon who says he moderates for quality of content...Once confirmed by the original OBlazney will simply move on and t**** the next topic...

I thought you had me and John on ignore, Albut.  What gives?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 08:17:24 PM
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You're a teller of non-truths...For years you've been t****ing that Westbrook knew better than anyone because she was there and she said it was Calvery...

She said the person in Zapruder next to her was Calvery. She didn’t look at the Darnell clip.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 08:18:21 PM

In other words Mark is not necessarily saying he isn't guilty of everything I detailed in that post he ignored...

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 28, 2019, 08:20:28 PM
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She said the person in Zapruder next to her was Calvery. She didn’t look at the Darnell clip.

I'm not going to play these t****ing word games with you Iacoletti...

We've already proven Calvery is the "Tall Woman" in the green plaid skirt in Zapruder who is seen on the steps in Darnell...

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
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I'm not going to play these t****ing word games with you Iacoletti...

We've already proven Calvery is the "Tall Woman" in the green plaid skirt in Zapruder who is seen on the steps in Darnell...

You haven’t proven jack squat.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 08:37:46 PM
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She said the person in Zapruder next to her was Calvery. She didn’t look at the Darnell clip.

John,

When in reality the gal in the middle was strawberry-blond Gloria Holt.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  The person to the left of Westbrook in Zapruder was journalist Maggie Brown (with a short unknown woman wedged in sideways between them), and the person to the right of her was her colleague at South-Western Publishing, Carol Reed.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 28, 2019, 09:32:36 PM
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John,

When in reality the gal in the middle was strawberry-blond Gloria Holt.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  The person to the left of Westbrook in Zapruder was journalist Maggie Brown (with a short unknown woman wedged in sideways between them), and the person to the right of her was her colleague at South-Western Publishing, Carol Reed.

Your “because I said so” arguments are tiresome.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 10:52:21 PM
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But anyone who has followed this thread knows the Commission made clear Mrs Robert Reid was Jeraldean Bray Reid and the two were one in the same.

What do you think I've been trying to tell you? You keep claiming the woman on the sidewalk is Reid. Then you claimed there are two of them.

Jeraldean Bray in the High School photo looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk you are claiming is Reid. The woman on the sidewalk looks nothing like the woman in the color photo.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 28, 2019, 10:58:05 PM
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Your “because I said so” arguments are tiresome.

Says the man who personifies a five-hour workout.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 11:01:04 PM
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Which is why she was interviewed at the police station and seen next to Leavelle and Alexander?...

So who was this unnamed woman the Dallas cops showed so much interest in and spared their precious investigation time for in the homicide office Rick?...

Is she just a weird stranger who likes to walk close to Depository employees she doesn't know?...

And why is she seen grouping together with Bonnie Richey and Carolyn Arnold as they leave the Depository in Cook-Cooper?...

(You're not seriously trying to get away with that?)...

Still waiting for Rick Plant to give a straight answer to the fact if Sarah Stanton went back inside immediately then that proves Bart Kamp's location for Stanton down the east side of the steps has to be wrong...

You just stated that Jearldean Bray and Mrs. Robert Reid are the same person. So, are you saying that the woman in the High School and the color photo is not Jearldean Bray Reid?

Are you officially discrediting Sarah Stanton's official FBI testimony? No long worded posts please. Just a yes or no will do.   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 28, 2019, 11:44:22 PM
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I have proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton by means of Davidson's enhancement.

Sorry Doyle, you have not proven that "Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man" with Davidson's enhancement. The enhancement does not show the figure to be Sarah Stanton. Even Davidson isn't fully on board with your claim. You can't claim you've proven anything when even the creator doesn't fully agree with you.

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If Davidson would man up instead of caving to political pressure and defend his metadata we would see that O'Blazney is just an annoying t**** who is running roughshod across good evidence he hasn't answered that disproves any suggestion that Prayer Man is a male.

So, now you're attacking Davidson for not defending his own "metadata"? Would that be because his "metadata" doesn't prove that Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man like you want it to be and Davidson already knows it's not Stanton?

The receding hairline and the clothing shows the figure to be a man.

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Rick Plant is a non-truth teller and it can be proven by photogrammetry that Prayer Man has Sarah Stanton's wide hips, vs Oswald's skinny waist, whose thin-ness makes the comparison obvious...(Not to mention obese forearm and hand)...

Rick Plant is a truth teller who uses factual testimony to prove that Sarah Stanton is not the prayer figure who was "staring in shock for the longest time" at Frazier.

Brian Doyle makes up fabrications and imaginary images he sees based on a highly distorted photo that he can't prove.

See the difference?

Why doesn't Davidson agree with your findings?

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the t**** Mark OBlazney won't ever do is have a serious discussion about Davidson and his metadata because that would take serious research and honesty and he's not going to do that as long as he can taunt with pile-on posts instead of serious research...It is fact that Davidson's metadata scientifically proves that Prayer Man is a woman and OBlazney is going to avoid that as long as he gets attention for his t****ing...All Davidson did was drop the image gotten from the video into digital software while adjusting for brightness and contrast and out popped the face of Sarah Stanton on Prayer Man exactly where the testimony that OBlazney is contemptuously ignoring placed her...If we pursued any serious discussion on this with Davidson he would back it up - only Chris has caved to the community political pressure OBlazney represents and failed to defend his own finding because of the dirty pressure that is put on people who challenge the Prayer Man hijackers.

Sorry Doyle, the "metadata" doesn't prove anything that the prayer figure is Sarah Stanton. Davidson's "metadata" was just an experiment, and a failed one at that. It appears that Davidson can see that the figure is not Sarah Stanton as well, which is why he isn't giving a full throated endorsement of it like you so desperately want him to do. And that makes you truly angry because it doesn't confirm your phony claim.

Also, you contradict yourself in your angry rantings. You claim that Mark won't have a serious discussion on "metadata" that Davidson doesn't even fully endorse. Then you say that Davidson proved your claim but are angry at him for not supporting the "metadata" claim. Can't you see your own contradictions?

How can you be angry with Mark when Davidson won't even agree with you?

How can you prove "Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man" when you attack Davidson for "caving" on the claim?

This is a failed claim as far as I'm concerned since Davidson won't even endorse your claim, Doyle.   
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 12:34:54 AM
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Sorry Doyle, you have not proven that "Sarah Stanton is Prayer Man" with Davidson's enhancement. The enhancement does not show the figure to be Sarah Stanton. Even Davidson isn't fully on board with your claim. You can't claim you've proven anything when even the creator doesn't fully agree with you.

You're not answering the science...

If we got Davidson back on planet Earth and got him to seriously discuss his metadata you would see he posted scientific evidence that cannot be retracted...What you are doing is like saying Galileo retracted his claim the Earth revolved around the Sun in order to avoid being burned at the stake so therefore the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun...But it don't work that way and if we examine Davidson's posted metadata we will see he posted proof that can't be retracted...

Your writing tells anybody who reads it that you lack competency and don't know what you're talking about...You're obviously desperate for excuses and aren't credibly answering the evidence that was shown...You're just nay-saying...

If you had skill you would see the woman's face has chubby cheeks...Gee I wonder who that could be?...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 12:51:09 AM
Davidson didn’t post “metadata”, nor did he post “scientific evidence” and later retract it. This is all Doyle made up BS.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 12:52:20 AM
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You just stated that Jearldean Bray and Mrs. Robert Reid are the same person. So, are you saying that the woman in the High School and the color photo is not Jearldean Bray Reid?

Are you officially discrediting Sarah Stanton's official FBI testimony? No long worded posts please. Just a yes or no will do.

You obviously don't even know the subject matter you are t****ing...

The Warren Commission said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid was the only Mrs Reid and that she was the same person as Jerlandean Bray...

Groden said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Reid was a different person than Jeraldean Reid...

You seem to be t****ing around giving a direct and honest answer to the fact even you yourself and Mr Agreeable Iacoletti said the two women are different persons...If so then that backs Groden...
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 12:55:06 AM
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Davidson didn’t post “metadata”, nor did he post “scientific evidence” and later retract it. This is all Doyle made up BS.

Here John are some nice rubber toys and bouncing balls to play with over in the romper room...This place here is for adults to discuss evidence seriously and honestly...There are some nice drooling friendly people over there for you to play with who rock back and forth and say weird things...

Iacoletti is posting a direct non-truth and if Davidson didn't abandon all semblance of known academic debate standards and ethics we could have him show it to you directly...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 12:58:52 AM
Says the guy who throws around scientific sounding terms like “metadata” without having the first clue about what they mean.

You can’t cite a single instance of him posting metadata, because he never did. And even if he had, it wouldn’t prove anything about the authenticity of the image. That’s not what metadata is.

Davidson also said directly on this forum that he didn’t prove anything. You are spewing BS.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 01:03:01 AM
Speaking of weird, drooly people, should we take another look at your bizarre topless car wash video again?
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 01:09:52 AM

Put up or shut up Iacoletti...

If Davidson posts his original metadata I will skewer you with it like I did with Wanda saying Prayer Man was definitely her grand mother Sarah...You were too dishonest to admit that...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 01:13:34 AM
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The Warren Commission said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid was the only Mrs Reid and that she was the same person as Jerlandean Bray...

Wrong. The Warren Commission said nothing about the Cook film (they never had it), nor did they say anything about the film sequence of Leavelle sitting next to the unidentified woman on the Sunday after the assassination. This is a blatant falsehood.

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Groden said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Reid was a different person than Jeraldean Reid...

Groden said nothing about the fake “sidewalk Mrs Reid” or the fake “Leavelle Mrs Reid”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 01:19:31 AM
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If Davidson posts his original metadata I will skewer you with it like I did with Wanda saying Prayer Man was definitely her grand mother Sarah...You were too dishonest to admit that...

Davidson never posted metadata. You made that up, because you don’t know what metadata is.

Wanda didn’t look at the Wiegman film. She said the image you showed her was too pretty to be her grandmother, and then you put words in their mouths with your leading questions. You told them you identified PP as Sarah at the beginning of the interview. You also argued with them every time they said anything that didn’t fit your fabricated nonsense. You are highly dishonest and unethical.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 01:31:40 AM

You are clearly dodging honestly answering if we could get Davidson to re-post and defend his metadata like he did the first time I would destroy you with it like I did your false accusation that Wanda never said Prayer Man was Sarah...When I posted Wanda saying Prayer Man was definitely Sarah in my interview video you were too dishonest to admit you were wrong...

Your accusations of lying or fabricating are worth as much as Confederate cash...(Nothing)...

 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 01:52:23 AM
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You are clearly dodging honestly answering if we could get Davidson to re-post and defend his metadata like he did the first time I would destroy you with it like I did your false accusation that Wanda never said Prayer Man was Sarah...When I posted Wanda saying Prayer Man was definitely Sarah in my interview video you were too dishonest to admit you were wrong...

You said she was in strong agreement that PP was Sarah. What really happened was that you showed her your “enhanced” image and she said it was too pretty to be her grandmother. Then you browbeat her until she said what you wanted.

That wasn’t even the same image that Davidson posted.

And no matter how many times you say it, he didn’t post “metadata”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 02:26:22 AM
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You're not answering the science.

This isn't science, this was a failed experiment. We have an experiment that has failed to prove the figure is Sarah Stanton. If there was science, we would already have the answer for it.  Davidson himself doesn't even agree with this "science". You just said yourself that he has caved on it. Did you not?

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If we got Davidson back on planet Earth and got him to seriously discuss his metadata you would see he posted scientific evidence that cannot be retracted...What you are doing is like saying Galileo retracted his claim the Earth revolved around the Sun in order to avoid being burned at the stake so therefore the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun...But it don't work that way and if we examine Davidson's posted metadata we will see he posted proof that can't be retracted.

When a person makes a factual discovery they stand behind it and let the facts speak for itself. Their discovery is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  What you're saying is the opposite. If Davidson's "metadata" actually proved that the figure is Stanton, then there would be no doubt and it would be proven. We wouldn't need Davidson to "get back on planet Earth" to seriously discuss his claim since it would already be proven. See what I'm saying? 

Since the "metadata" has not been proven, you can't claim that you proved the figure is Sarah Stanton. How can there be proof when he is basically retracting his own "metadata" experiment?       

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Your writing tells anybody who reads it that you lack competency and don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry Doyle, everybody who reads this can see that you lack the competency and you don't know what you're talking about. Your usual cheap debate tactics isn't going to work in this case since you are on the wrong end of the claim.

You are claiming you proved the prayer figure is Sarah Stanton. The creator of the "metadata" experiment doesn't even agree with that claim. So, it's very clear that you don't know what you're talking about.   

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You're obviously desperate for excuses and aren't credibly answering the evidence that was shown...You're just nay-saying.

How can you even claim this Doyle? You're the one making the excuses here. You're making the excuses attacking Davidson for "caving" on his own "metadata" that proves you wrong. Are you not?

What evidence Doyle? The figure is not wearing a dress like you falsely claimed. Davidson doesn't even agree with you. So, how can you honestly accuse me of not credibly answering your evidence?

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If you had skill you would see the woman's face has chubby cheeks...Gee I wonder who that could be?...

You have no skill Doyle, since you are unable to detect a man's receding hairline and short sleeve shirt on the prayer figure. You think that's a woman. :D

Because you see chubby cheeks in a distorted photo you automatically assume it's a woman and Stanton. That is not science or evidence.

You have a really hard time proving your claim when the creator of the "metadata" experiment doesn't even agree with you and you attack him for not supporting his experiment. That clearly shows this was a failed experiment and is clearly not Stanton as you claim. Besides, Stanton's own FBI testimony disproves your false theory that you continuously reject in favor of your own false theory.   
 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 02:29:10 AM
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You obviously don't even know the subject matter you are t****ing...

The Warren Commission said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid was the only Mrs Reid and that she was the same person as Jerlandean Bray...

Groden said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Reid was a different person than Jeraldean Reid...

You seem to be t****ing around giving a direct and honest answer to the fact even you yourself and Mr Agreeable Iacoletti said the two women are different persons...If so then that backs Groden...

:D

Doyle, you clearly don't know what you're talking about and it's impossible trying to get you to understand anything.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 02:34:46 AM
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You are clearly dodging honestly answering if we could get Davidson to re-post and defend his metadata like he did the first time I would destroy you with it like I did your false accusation that Wanda never said Prayer Man was Sarah...When I posted Wanda saying Prayer Man was definitely Sarah in my interview video you were too dishonest to admit you were wrong...

Your accusations of lying or fabricating are worth as much as Confederate cash...(Nothing)...

Doyle, you are missing the entire point. If Davidson was accurate with his "metadata" findings, then there would be no need for him to defend it. His findings would already be proven. You are angry that he won't defend a false claim  that proves you wrong. 

Sarah Stanton's own FBI testimony refutes your phony claim and you have no answer for it except for your famous circular arguments that adds up to nothing. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 02:46:27 AM
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You obviously don't even know the subject matter you are t****ing...

The Warren Commission said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid was the only Mrs Reid and that she was the same person as Jerlandean Bray...

Groden said the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Reid was a different person than Jeraldean Reid...

You seem to be t****ing around giving a direct and honest answer to the fact even you yourself and Mr Agreeable Iacoletti said the two women are different persons...If so then that backs Groden...

:D

Doyle clearly shows his ignorance believing that Jearldean Bray in the High School photo is the same woman on the sidewalk who altered her appearance in 1963 and altered it again for the 1967 color photo. He thinks this is the same woman.

So, in 1963 Jearldean grew a new nose and jaw line only to change it back in 1967 for the color photo. She decides to wear glasses in 1963 but not in 1967. Also, Jearldean Reid said she wore a scarf that day and the woman on the sidewalk has no scarf. And Doyle thinks the sidewalk woman is Jeraldean Bray Reid.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 03:46:00 AM
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:D

Doyle clearly shows his ignorance believing that Jearldean Bray in the High School photo is the same woman on the sidewalk who altered her appearance in 1963 and altered it again for the 1967 color photo. He thinks this is the same woman.

So, in 1963 Jearldean grew a new nose and jaw line only to change it back in 1967 for the color photo. She decides to wear glasses in 1963 but not in 1967. Also, Jearldean Reid said she wore a scarf that day and the woman on the sidewalk has no scarf. And Doyle thinks the sidewalk woman is Jeraldean Bray Reid.

[emphasis added]

I.  "Whenever a student of the assassination uses the words "clearly" or "obviously" in describing an aspect of it, or his or her opinion as to another student's veracity (or lack thereof), you can be pretty sure that said 'armchair expert' is full of beans."

II.  A student of the assassination who assumes that a woman who retrieved her purse, jacket and headscarf from her office around 2 PM that fine (weatherwise) afternoon was somehow obligated to wear said headscarf is a complete xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx idiot."

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy, 9/28/19


--   Walk:
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 04:19:43 AM
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I.  "Whenever a student of the assassination uses the words "clearly" or "obviously" in describing an aspect of it, or his or her opinion as to another student's veracity (or lack thereof), you can be pretty sure that said 'armchair expert' is full of beans."

That is exactly what you do when you do your squinting at blurry blobs. So, I’m glad you’re finally admitting that you’re full of beans.

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II.  A student of the assassination who assumes that a woman who retrieved her purse, jacket and headscarf from her office around 2 PM that fine (weatherwise) afternoon was somehow obligated to wear said headscarf is a complete xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx idiot."

I wonder how Duncan feels about you calling a member in good standing a ”complete xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx idiot”.

She said she got her coat and scarf before going out to watch the motorcade, genius.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 04:37:35 AM
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She said she got her coat and scarf before going out to watch the motorcade, genius.

Even if true, does it mean she had to wear her headscarf, Socrates?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:00:19 AM
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I.  "Whenever a student of the assassination uses the words "clearly" or "obviously" in describing an aspect of it, or his or her opinion as to another student's veracity (or lack thereof), you can be pretty sure that said 'armchair expert' is full of beans."

II.  A student of the assassination who assumes that a woman who retrieved her purse, jacket and headscarf from her office around 2 PM that fine (weatherwise) afternoon was somehow obligated to wear said headscarf is a complete xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx idiot."

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy, 9/28/19


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Thomas clearly can't see that Jearldean Bray in the High School photo looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk with a different nose and jaw line believing that is the same woman, that is unfortunate. :D
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 05:02:37 AM
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You said she was in strong agreement that PP was Sarah. What really happened was that you showed her your “enhanced” image and she said it was too pretty to be her grandmother. Then you browbeat her until she said what you wanted.

That wasn’t even the same image that Davidson posted.

And no matter how many times you say it, he didn’t post “metadata”.

You are once again distorting what can clearly be heard in the interview...In a previous phone call after I familiarized her with the Prayer Man claim Wanda strongly agreed Prayer Man was her grand mother Sarah...You are intentionally switching things around and lying here Iacoletti...What Wanda was answering to was my saying she previously agreed that Prayer Man was Sarah...It was not the Davidson enhancement that she was referring to, it was the Wiegman and Darnell images that I sent to her in e-mails...I did nothing of the sort and in that previous phone conversation I made clear to her that she had a right to her own opinion and I was not trying to force her in to anything...

It is clear to me that you are not posting honestly or seriously Iacoletti...You are clearly t****ing and seeking to screw up the discussion of the evidence by any means...You lied before and Wanda did agree that Prayer Man was her grand mother...Wanda said Prayer Man "definitely" was her grand mother Sarah...

I have already told you several times that Wanda said "She" is too pretty to be my grand mother...You know this and have been informed of it several times yet you continue to deliberately omit the "She" part in your dishonest arguments...You do that because you know "She" proves it isn't Oswald...



 
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 05:07:01 AM
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:D

Doyle clearly shows his ignorance believing that Jearldean Bray in the High School photo is the same woman on the sidewalk who altered her appearance in 1963 and altered it again for the 1967 color photo. He thinks this is the same woman.

So, in 1963 Jearldean grew a new nose and jaw line only to change it back in 1967 for the color photo. She decides to wear glasses in 1963 but not in 1967. Also, Jearldean Reid said she wore a scarf that day and the woman on the sidewalk has no scarf. And Doyle thinks the sidewalk woman is Jeraldean Bray Reid.

If you actually followed and comprehended my posts (which you obviously don't) you would understand that right now I am seriously leaning towards the Stanton photo album Jerladean Reid being a different person than the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid and giving validity to Groden's claim...

You're obviously a confused person since all your posts show you don't really grasp what the basic arguments and issues are here...

You're a sloppy t**** so it is time to start ignoring you again...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:07:31 AM
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Even if true, does it mean she had to wear her headscarf, Socrates?

--  MWT  ;)

Your denial is hilarious Thomas and only makes you look foolish. Why would she not wear her scarf when she testified after it happened that she got her jacket and scarf?

So in your world, you believe High School Bray looks like sidewalk woman. And you believe Mrs. Reid who testified to getting out her jacket and scarf out of the closet would then decided not to wear it after she already testified to it. Makes a lot of sense.  Thumb1:   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:22:54 AM
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If you actually followed and comprehended my posts (which you obviously don't) you would understand that right now I am seriously leaning towards the Stanton photo album Jerladean Reid being a different person than the sidewalk and Leavelle Mrs Robert Reid and giving validity to Groden's claim...

You're obviously a confused person since all your posts show you don't really grasp what the basic arguments and issues are here...

You're a sloppy t**** so it is time to start ignoring you again...

:D

Doyle, you just horribly contradicted yourself and have no clue what you're even saying. I am laughing so hard right now.

I've been telling you all along that the woman in the color photo is not the same woman on the sidewalk. So, after arguing with me this entire time you finally confirm what I've been saying. 

Groden's claim is false, but you want to believe a phony story that there were two Reid's, who both married men named Robert, who worked at the same place. Figures, since you believe in total fantasy.

So, after you severely embarrassed yourself, you slink away saying "I'm confused" hiding away on "ignore" again so you don't have to answer for your nonsense you posted. Good job.  Thumb1:
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 05:26:07 AM
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Your denial is hilarious Thomas and only makes you look foolish. Why would she not wear her scarf when she testified after it happened that she got her jacket and scarf?

Rick,

John has very graciously brought it to my attention that I was wrong in assuming that Reid collected her purse, jacket and headscarf from her office after the assassination, when in reality she did so immediately after finishing her lunch in the the second floor lunchroom and before going downstairs to watch the motorcade.

From the way she described her movements in her WC testimony, it sounds as though her purse was at her desk and that her jacket and headscarf were together in a closet.

If the above is true, do you think it would have made any sense for her to have taken her jacket and purse. but to have left her headscarf in the closet, even if she was not planning on wearing it?

Point being: Of course she took her headscarf with her when she went downstairs ...

... but she didn't necessarily wear it.

D'oh!

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:30:24 AM
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That is exactly what you do when you do your squinting at blurry blobs. So, I’m glad you’re finally admitting that you’re full of beans.

I wonder how Duncan feels about you calling a member in good standing a ”complete xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx idiot”.

She said she got her coat and scarf before going out to watch the motorcade, genius.

Thomas is just upset he embarrassed himself thinking all three photos looks like the same woman, when they clearly do not. He also is embarrassed that he would claim that Mrs. Reid didn't wear her scarf when she already testified that she got her scarf to wear. Instead of admitting he was wrong, he decides to call names disguising it in x's. No worries. :)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 05:30:39 AM
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and in that previous phone conversation I made clear to her that she had a right to her own opinion and I was not trying to force her in to anything...

“Previous phone conversation”. LOL.

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I have already told you several times that Wanda said "She" is too pretty to be my grand mother...You know this and have been informed of it several times yet you continue to deliberately omit the "She" part in your dishonest arguments...You do that because you know "She" proves it isn't Oswald...

That doesn’t prove anything. If I refer to you as “she”, does that prove you’re a woman?

Besides “too pretty to be my grandmother” means “NOT my grandmother”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:35:19 AM
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Rick,

John has very graciously brought it to my attention that I was wrong in assuming that Reid collected her purse, jacket and headscarf from her office after the assassination, when in reality she did so immediately after finishing her lunch in the the second floor lunchroom and before going downstairs to watch the motorcade.

From the way she described her movements in her WC testimony, it sounds as though her purse was at her desk and that her jacket and headscarf were together in a closet.

If the above is true, do you think it would have made any sense for her to have taken her jacket and purse. but to have left her headscarf in the closet, even if she was not planning on wearing it?

Point being: Of course she took her headscarf with her when she went downstairs ...

... but she didn't necessarily wear it.

D'oh!

--  MWT  ;)

Mrs. Reid testified that she got her jacket and scarf to wear after she already wore it. You are making claims saying "maybe she didnt". The woman on the sidewalk has no scarf and looks nothing like Jearldean Bray in the High School photo or in the color photo. And you want to claim that all three photos look like the same woman. Just admit you made a mistake Thomas. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 05:37:07 AM
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Thomas is just upset he embarrassed himself thinking all three photos looks like the same woman, when they clearly do not. He also is embarrassed that he would claim that Mrs. Reid didn't wear her scarf when she already testified that she got her scarf to wear. Instead of admitting he was wrong, he decides to call names disguising it in x's. No worries. :)

Rick,

In my post, above, please see my contrite confession of error, my implied expression of gratitude to John Iacoletti, and some further observations I posted so that you might read them and mull them over and realize how naive you are in assuming that Mrs. Reid MUST have been wearing her headscarf while watching the motorcade.

Thanks.

--  MWT
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:42:06 AM
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Rick,

In my post, above, please see my contrite confession of error, my implied expression of gratitude to John Iacoletti, and some further observations I posted so that you might read them and mull them over and realize how naive you are in assuming that Mrs. Reid MUST have been wearing her headscarf while watching the motorcade.

Thanks.

--  MWT

So, I guess a person would make a point to testify that they specifically got something to wear and then not do it after it already happened ::)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 05:48:14 AM
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Rick,

John has very graciously brought it to my attention that I was wrong in assuming that Reid collected her purse, jacket and headscarf from her office after the assassination, when in reality she did so immediately after finishing her lunch in the the second floor lunchroom and before going downstairs to watch the motorcade.

From the way she described her movements in her WC testimony, it sounds as though her purse was at her desk and that her jacket and headscarf were together in a closet.

If the above is true, do you think it would have made any sense for her to have taken her jacket and purse. but to have left her headscarf in the closet, even if she was not planning on wearing it?

Point being: Of course she took her headscarf with her when she went downstairs ...

... but she didn't necessarily wear it.

D'oh!

--  MWT  ;)

And you still think all 3 photos is a photo of the same woman? Even Brian Doyle just gave up that claim and he now agrees with me they are not. Seems that you are still the lone hold out.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 05:48:27 AM
Why would she go fetch her scarf if she wasn’t going to wear it?

The confused one here is the one who keeps insisting that there was a “sidewalk Mrs Reid” and a “Leavelle Mrs Reid”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 05:49:05 AM
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Mrs. Reid testified that she got her jacket and scarf to wear after she already wore it. You are making claims saying "maybe she didnt". The woman on the sidewalk has no scarf and looks nothing like Jearldean Bray in the High School photo or in the color photo. And you want to claim that all three photos look like the same woman. Just admit you made a mistake Thomas.

"Stairway to Heaven" and John Iacoletti,

Yes, she had evidently worn her headscarf to work that morning, and then taken it off and put in in the office closet with her jacket.

So?

Do you think the fact that she took her purse from her desk, and her jacket and headscarf from the closet before going downstairs to watch the motorcade means that she HAD to be wearing her scarf during same?

If she was planning on not wearing it, do you think she should have left her headscarf in the closet, all by him widdle self?

And don't you think she would have wanted it in the contingency the weather was colder and more blustery than she imagined it to be?

Do you think every single woman who was watching the motorcade and who had brought a headscarf that morning was wearing it while waiting for JFK and Jackie to pass by, or that maybe, just maybe, some of them had their headscarf in their darned purse, nice and handy like, in case they decided "at the last moment" to ... gasp ... put it on?

LOL

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 05:53:44 AM
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If she was not planning on wearing it, do you think she should have left her headscarf in the closet, all by him widdle self?

Yes.

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And don't you think she would have wanted it in the contingency the weather was colder and more blustery than she imagined it to be?

They weren’t planning to be outside all afternoon or to leave early. It was supposed to just be for a few minutes.

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Do you thing every single woman watching the motorcade who brought a headscarf with them that morning was wearing it while waiting for JFK and Jackie to pass by?

She didn’t just bring it that morning. She specifically got it before going outside to watch the motorcade.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 06:07:36 AM
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Yes.

They weren’t planning to be outside all afternoon or to leave early. It was supposed to just be for a few minutes.

She didn’t just bring it that morning. She specifically got it before going outside to watch the motorcade.

"Yes, her headscarf was so doggone heavy and cumbersome that, instead of lugging it around, she would have left it in the closet, even though she knew the weather could suddenly "go south" while she was waiting for the motorcade to pass by."
-- John Iacoletti

--  MWT   Walk:

PS  "Specifically"

LOL!

Hint: She collected her purse, her jacket and her headscarf, which last item she happened to be keeping with her jacket in the closet.

In other words, she did not necessarily make a special trip to the closet to collect her darn headscarf, although she did collect it, and she did have it in her possession (probably in a jacket pocket or in her purse) when she went downstairs to watch the motorcade.

D'oh!

Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 07:11:51 AM

Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk is not wearing any head scarf...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 07:21:16 AM
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Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk is not wearing any head scarf...

Brian,

Correct.

It was in her pocket or purse.

And the woman in all of the photos and films we've been talking about (including "your" 1967 color photo) are all one-and-the-same person.

Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean Bray Reid.

And after the final shot, from her position in the street about thirty feet in front of the building, she immediately ran back inside and up the front stairs to her office, where, in the corridor or some-such place, she encountered a muttering Lee Harvey Oswald, wearing a white t-shirt (under his unbuttoned brownish-redish shirt?) and holding in his right hand a full bottle of coke.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Unless, of course, you think she was part of the evil, evil, evil plot.   ???

Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Zeon Mason on September 29, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
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Brian,

Correct.

It was in her pocket or purse.

And the woman in all of the photos and films we've been talking about (including "your" 1967 color photo) are all one-and-the-same person.

Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean Bray Reid.

And after the final shot, from her position in the street about thirty feet in front of the building, she immediately ran back inside and ran up the front stairs to her office where (nearby) she encountered a muttering Lee Harvey Oswald, wearing a white t-shirt and holding in his right hand a full bottle of coke.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  Unless, of course, you think she was part of the evil, evil, evil plot.   ???


If Mrs Reid left immediately, as implied by her WC testimony when Mr Campbell had left her and also when she saw people BEGINNING to fall, then it would have only taken about 60 seconds to reach the 2nd floor office.

Mr Campbell had to have left Mrs Reid not later than approx. 5 sec post shots , repositioning himself to have LOS to the JFK limo, observing it speed up after the head shot.

People BEGIN to fall as early as 3 sec post shots: Hudson on the GK steps, the Newmans on the GK slope, and one man behind Altgens diving as seen in Zapruder film Nix film

Mr.Belin was the one who took over control of the "timeline" for Mrs Reid. Mrs Reid herself was encouraged NOT to estimate for  herself  what was the approx. time it took to reach the 2nd floor office.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 08:36:50 AM
Quote from: Zeon Mason 8link=topic=2174.msg62362#msg62362 date=1569742220

If Mrs Reid left immediately, as implied by her WC testimony when Mr Campbell had left her and also when she saw people BEGINNING to fall, then it would have only taken about 60 seconds to reach the 2nd floor office.

Mr Campbell had to have left Mrs Reid not later than approx. 5 sec post shots , repositioning himself to have LOS to the JFK limo, observing it speed up after the head shot.

People BEGIN to fall as early as 3 sec post shots: Hudson on the GK steps, the Newmans on the GK slope, and one man behind Altgens diving as seen in Zapruder film Nix film

Mr.Belin was the one who took over control of the "timeline" for Mrs Reid. Mrs Reid herself was encouraged NOT to estimate for  herself  what was the approx. time it took to reach the 2nd floor office.

Nope.

She volunteered that she saw people falling and witnessed the "chaos," spoke briefly with Mr. Campbell, looked up at the upper part of the building and saw the three black guys looking out the windows, etc., and then ran into the building and up the stairs to her office where she encountered Oswald coming through the back door (i.e., the door nearest the lunch room) of same.

In her WC testimony, Reid confirmed that she and Belin had timed themselves three times, and when he asked her how long it had taken her, she said in so many words "approximately two minutes, but no less".

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/reid.htm

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 10:26:03 AM
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"Stairway to Heaven" and John Iacoletti,

Yes, she had evidently worn her headscarf to work that morning, and then taken it off and put in in the office closet with her jacket.

So?

Do you think the fact that she took her purse from her desk, and her jacket and headscarf from the closet before going downstairs to watch the motorcade means that she HAD to be wearing her scarf during same?

If she was planning on not wearing it, do you think she should have left her headscarf in the closet, all by him widdle self?

And don't you think she would have wanted it in the contingency the weather was colder and more blustery than she imagined it to be?

Do you think every single woman who was watching the motorcade and who had brought a headscarf that morning was wearing it while waiting for JFK and Jackie to pass by, or that maybe, just maybe, some of them had their headscarf in their darned purse, nice and handy like, in case they decided "at the last moment" to ... gasp ... put it on?

LOL

-- MWT  ;)

Thomas Graves makes up more fiction than Brian Doyle inventing stories that never happened.  The fact is, Mrs. Robert Reid testified to getting her jacket and scarf to wear outside. Jearldean Bray in the High School photo looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk who has no scarf since that is not Mrs. Robert Reid. The woman  on the sidewalk looks nothing like the woman in the color photo. Yet, Thomas Graves keeps saying they are one and the same when they do not even look the same. :D 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 10:29:00 AM
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Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk is not wearing any head scarf...

That is correct Brian, because the woman on the sidewalk is not Mrs. Robert Reid. Mrs. Robert Reid, who's maiden name was Bray, testified to getting her scarf and looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
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Brian,

Correct.

It was in her pocket or purse.

So, was it in her pocket or her purse? You watched her put it in her pocket or purse? :D


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And the woman in all of the photos and films we've been talking about (including "your" 1967 color photo) are all one-and-the-same person.

Mrs. Robert A. Reid, aka Jeraldean Bray Reid.

They are not "one and the same person" because they look nothing alike. Jearldean Bray has a different nose and jaw line compared to the woman on the sidewalk. That is totally obvious looking at all 3 photos that they do not look similar.

The woman on the sidewalk is wearing glasses and looks nothing like the High School Bray or in the color photo. Thomas expects us to believe this woman had plastic surgery in 1963 and again in 1967 to look completely different. Your nose and jaw line doesn't completely change shape like we see in the 1963 and 1967 photos.   
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 10:50:02 AM
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Why would she go fetch her scarf if she wasn’t going to wear it?

The confused one here is the one who keeps insisting that there was a “sidewalk Mrs Reid” and a “Leavelle Mrs Reid”.

Exactly.

Jearldean Bray in the High School photo looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk and Graves keeps insisting they do for some odd reason. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Zeon Mason on September 29, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
Mr. BELIN. Now, did you look around after the shots and notice what people were doing?
Mrs. REID. Well, it was just a mass of confusion. I saw people beginning to fall, and the thought that went through my mind, my goodness I must get out of this line of shots, they may fire some more. And don't ask me why I went into the building because I don't know.


Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know about what time it was that you left the lunchroom, was it 12, 12:15?
Mrs. REID. I think around 12:30 somewhere along in there.  ::)


yes, certainly does sound like Mrs. Reid can estimate time really well doesn't it?

r. BELIN. All right. When you left the lunchroom, did you leave with the other girls?
Mrs. REID. No; I didn't. The younger girls had gone and I left alone.
Mr. BELIN. Were you the last person in the lunchroom?
Mrs. REID. No; I could not say that because I don't remember that part of it because I was going out of the building by myself, I wasn't even, you know, connected with anyone at all.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.  ::)

more "fuzzy" memory

Mr. BELIN. We sat down and I asked you to tell me what happened and, you related the story. Did I keep on questioning you or did you tell me what happened?
Mrs. REID. Well, I more or less told you what had happened.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Then we went out on the street, did we not, in front of the building, with a stopwatch, do you remember that?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I surely do. It was kind of cool.
Mr. BELIN. It was kind of cool wasn't it, and a little bit windy.
Mrs. REID. Yes; it was; yes.
Mr. BELIN. And when in Dallas, we started the stopwatch from the time that the last shot was fired, is that correct?
Mrs. REID. That is right.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long by the stopwatch it took you?
Mrs. REID. Approximately 2 minutes.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't hear you.
Mrs. REID. Two minutes.
Mr. BELIN. From the time of the last shot the time you and Oswald crossed?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I believe that is the way we timed it.
Mr. BELIN. When you--you saw me start the stopwatch and you saw me stop it there, right?
Mrs. REID. Yes.


Yes, Mrs Reid is NOT encouraged to take the watch herself and time it for herself. Mr Belin is the one in control of the watch, and with a prosecutorial bias given the LBJ directive "he our man" easily could have made that watch read as  he wanted at the end just with a simple advance 1 minute click in-between the "start" click and the "end click, which he could have done DURING Mrs Reid more focused on "going thru her actions'.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Colin Crow on September 29, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
Perhaps she saw Oswald with the coke on his way downstairs to the domino room before the shots.....and got confused... ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
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Yes, her headscarf was so doggone heavy and cumbersome that, instead of lugging it around, she would have left it in the closet, even though she knew the weather could suddenly "go south" while she was waiting for the motorcade to pass by."

How do you know what she “knew”?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 03:30:20 PM
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How do you know what she “knew”?

John,

I see your point.  How presumptuous of me.

Even though it had rained earlier that morning, and the wind was still occassionally gusting, it probably didn't cross her mind, and if she thought that she probably wouldn't be needing her headscarf while waiting for and watching the motorcade, she would definitely have left that incredibly heavy, rigid and cumbersome "fashion accessory" in the closet. 

On the shelf.  If it had one.  And if not, then kinda dangling from one of them hook things.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 03:45:15 PM
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Perhaps she saw Oswald with the coke on his way downstairs to the domino room before the shots.....and got confused... ;)

Colin,

Yeah!

I betcha that's what happened!

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 03:54:40 PM
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Mr. BELIN. Now, did you look around after the shots and notice what people were doing?
Mrs. REID. Well, it was just a mass of confusion. I saw people beginning to fall, and the thought that went through my mind, my goodness I must get out of this line of shots, they may fire some more. And don't ask me why I went into the building because I don't know.


Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know about what time it was that you left the lunchroom, was it 12, 12:15?
Mrs. REID. I think around 12:30 somewhere along in there.  ::)


yes, certainly does sound like Mrs. Reid can estimate time really well doesn't it?

r. BELIN. All right. When you left the lunchroom, did you leave with the other girls?
Mrs. REID. No; I didn't. The younger girls had gone and I left alone.
Mr. BELIN. Were you the last person in the lunchroom?
Mrs. REID. No; I could not say that because I don't remember that part of it because I was going out of the building by myself, I wasn't even, you know, connected with anyone at all.
Mr. BELIN. Were there any men in the lunchroom when you left there?
Mrs. REID. I can't, I don't, remember that.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mrs. REID. I can't remember the time they left.  ::)

more "fuzzy" memory

Mr. BELIN. We sat down and I asked you to tell me what happened and, you related the story. Did I keep on questioning you or did you tell me what happened?
Mrs. REID. Well, I more or less told you what had happened.
Mr. BELIN. All right. Then we went out on the street, did we not, in front of the building, with a stopwatch, do you remember that?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I surely do. It was kind of cool.
Mr. BELIN. It was kind of cool wasn't it, and a little bit windy.
Mrs. REID. Yes; it was; yes.
Mr. BELIN. And when in Dallas, we started the stopwatch from the time that the last shot was fired, is that correct?
Mrs. REID. That is right.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long by the stopwatch it took you?
Mrs. REID. Approximately 2 minutes.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't hear you.
Mrs. REID. Two minutes.
Mr. BELIN. From the time of the last shot the time you and Oswald crossed?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I believe that is the way we timed it.
Mr. BELIN. When you--you saw me start the stopwatch and you saw me stop it there, right?
Mrs. REID. Yes.


Yes, Mrs Reid is NOT encouraged to take the watch herself and time it for herself. Mr Belin is the one in control of the watch, and with a prosecutorial bias given the LBJ directive "he our man" easily could have made that watch read as  he wanted at the end just with a simple advance 1 minute click in-between the "start" click and the "end click, which he could have done DURING Mrs Reid more focused on "going thru her actions'.

Belin is guiding her testimony and suborning perjury like usual...

Any smart person can see there is something seriously wrong with Mrs Reid's answers...Certainly if she was the last one out of the 2nd floor lunch room she would remember it...Her answers smack of not wanting to admit something and sudden amnesia...

The idiots over at Bart's website say to think outside the box...Well, if Groden is gaining amazingly unexpected credibility then that thinking outside the box must include considering that Mrs Reid was an Intel monitor and the 2nd floor lunch room needed to be controlled as Oswald's destination during the shooting...Mrs Reid's being on the phone and informing the other lunch ladies of the progress of the motorcade could have been a ploy to excite those who were staying in the lunch room until the last minute in order not to miss their lunches into wanting to get up and go outside...If Mrs Robert Reid was the ersatz double Groden implies then her job could have been to flush the 2nd floor lunch room clear and that is what Sarah Stanton caught Oswald waiting for out on the staircase landing...Her lack of memory of who exactly remained at the end is simply her making sure the Commission didn't have any solid leads to trace any witnessing of Oswald's true location in the 2nd floor lunch room...We know the Commission was in damage control mode and that the FBI was hiding Stanton's dangerous witnessing of Oswald, so Mrs Reid's obvious omissions must be considered in this suborning light...This is the true purpose of the Commission and Belin's job, is to cook the interrogation around this dangerous witnessing and Mrs Robert Reid is obliging with her faulty memory...Her cooperation bespeaks the version of Mrs Reid Groden suggests...

Is part of her obvious hesitancy the fact she saw Oswald just like Sarah Stanton did?...

Is part of her bad memory the fact she knew our second Jeraldean Reid was there in the office?...

Mr Graves:  Iacoletti and our distinguished researcher and intellectual Rick Plant both insist Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk and Jeraldean Reid in Stanton's photo album are clearly different people...

Colin is ignoring that maybe Mrs Reid saw Oswald right before he went in to the 2nd floor lunch room like Carolyn Arnold witnessed...(Colin thinks he has a right to ignore Arnold...Not very credible)...



 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 04:13:17 PM
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Even though it had rained earlier that morning, and the wind was still occassionally gusting, it probably didn't cross her mind, and if she thought that she probably wouldn't be needing her headscarf while waiting for and watching the motorcade, she would definitely have left that incredibly heavy, rigid and cumbersome "fashion accessory" in the closet. 

Why would she think she probably wouldn’t need it? A whole bunch of other women, including Karen Westbrook (next to the sign in Zapruder) were wearing theirs. She got her scarf to wear outside. It was still pretty windy.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 04:19:51 PM
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Yes you have a talent alright Doyle, but it has nothing to do with research and a lot to do with being a simple minded, obstinate, nay saying tr--l.

"Talented Researcher" LMAO!

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2174.msg62115.html#msg62115

Even when proven wrong time and time again even at this late date, Doyle has way too much publicly invested now in his PW theory to simply let it go and move on to something different. 

He reminds me of Baghdad Bob as the cluster bombs are seen and heard falling in the background.

Baghdad Bob: "We are running the infidels into the sea at this very moment, no bombs, planes or US troops will ever disturb even one grain of sand in Iraq, we are winning at every turn and there are massive US troop deaths as I speak"

Groden is a complete and proven fraud yet Doyle will defend him to the death simply because he once supposedly told Doyle... "Hey, you've really got something there" LOL!

Imagine, one grand fraudster pats the other grand fraudster on the back and now that both grand fraudsters are in complete and total agreement, guess what, they now have lifelong wedded bliss.

Doyle, go on down to Dealey Plaza and maybe Groden will let you lug all the crap he peddles out of the trunk of his car down to his little table he sets up each and every day and at the end of the day, it will be your job to lug it all back to the trunk of his car without selling even a single copy.

A word of advice Doyle, Groden may require you to at least tuck your ponytail into your shirt if you own one, (lol) or he may even require you to cut your pony tail completely off because it might further damage what is left of his 'credibility' LOL

You two freak show fraudsters are certainly made to order for each other....Dumb and Dumber II....LOL!

If Groden had one iota of credibility, he would join this or any other JFK Research Forum and defend himself........(crickets) What's the matter Groden? Badgeman got your tongue. LOL!

Likewise, if Doyle had even one iota of credibility, he would go ahead and join a mainstream JFK Research Forum such as The Education Forum or the Deep Politics Forum or Greg Parker's JFK Research Forum, yet he doesn't.

That right there tells you all you need to know about a Bob Groden or a Brian Doyle.

Both fraudsters who couldn't stand the heat nor the light of day for that matter in a real JFK Research Forum environment.

Too funny if it wasn't so sad.

Then you have Thomas Graves, the overgrown Russian Chuckling Hyena who has zero evidence to back up anything he says...LOL!

For every factual answer or rebuttal given to him, he then comes up with 5 inane, nonsensical and off topic questions, a clear 5 to 1 ratio.

Graves and Doyle start with a theory and then they look for any and all evidence that might conceivably be fitted into that theory. If they happen to find a 'piece that fits' their theory they then think 'they got something there' and won't let it go even when proven wrong by the evidence. This is the exact opposite of how legitimate research works.

Where did this forum ever get these two rejects?

Another low-post count newbie windbag from the t**** farm...

Must have missed where you made any attempt to answer the facts...

Another nay-sayer t**** for my ignore list...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 04:22:49 PM
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Belin is guiding her testimony and suborning perjury like usual...

Just like you did with Rosa and Wanda.

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Any smart person can see there is something seriously wrong with Mrs Reid's answers...Certainly if she was the last one out of the 2nd floor lunch room she would remember it...Her answers smack of not wanting to admit something and sudden amnesia...

And your answers smack of somebody making up stories.

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Well, if Groden is gaining amazingly unexpected credibility then that thinking outside the box must include considering that Mrs Reid was an Intel monitor and the 2nd floor lunch room needed to be controlled as Oswald's destination during the shooting...

LOL. Tinfoil hat nonsense.

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Mr Graves:  Iacoletti and our distinguished researcher and intellectual Rick Plant both insist Mrs Robert Reid on the sidewalk and Jeraldean Reid in Stanton's photo album are clearly different people...

There’s no “Mrs Robert Reid” on the sidewalk.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 29, 2019, 04:30:44 PM
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There’s no “Mrs Robert Reid” on the sidewalk.

Just like the 3 Women are not Simmons, Holt, and Jacob...Iacoletti - stop t****ing this site...

Go play with the nice head rockers and droolers that are your speed Johnny Ick...Those people are used to chronic compulsives who are disassociated from reality...

Most people understand that the woman in Cook-Cooper who was interviewed by Leavelle is the person whom the Commission interviewed as Mrs Robert Reid...There is no credible other explanation short of crazies who defy reality for t****ing purposes...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Larry Trotter on September 29, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
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"Stairway to Heaven" and John Iacoletti,

Yes, she had evidently worn her headscarf to work that morning, and then taken it off and put in in the office closet with her jacket.

So?

Do you think the fact that she took her purse from her desk, and her jacket and headscarf from the closet before going downstairs to watch the motorcade means that she HAD to be wearing her scarf during same?

If she was planning on not wearing it, do you think she should have left her headscarf in the closet, all by him widdle self?

And don't you think she would have wanted it in the contingency the weather was colder and more blustery than she imagined it to be?

Do you think every single woman who was watching the motorcade and who had brought a headscarf that morning was wearing it while waiting for JFK and Jackie to pass by, or that maybe, just maybe, some of them had their headscarf in their darned purse, nice and handy like, in case they decided "at the last moment" to ... gasp ... put it on?

LOL

-- MWT  ;)

Thomas, your youthful patience is amazing. That said, I have to consider that although JeraldeanBrayReid (1912-1973) saw a need to wear, or at least have available to wear a head scarf earlier due to rain, perhaps she saw no need to wear it due to wind later and while viewing the Motorcade. Or, possibly she had anticipated viewing the Motorcade from the entrance portal landing, but found it too crowded.
Certainly, an image representing JeraldeanBray as a HS Student, quite likely would appear slightly different than an image representing JeraldeanBrayReid some 35+ years later in '67. And, the sidewalk image, as well as the DPD image talking to Detective JimLeavelle (1920-2019), appear to me to also represent Mrs Robert"JeraldeanBray"Reid. Especially when considering additional indicative information indicating said identity.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 08:19:08 PM
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Thomas, your youthful patience is amazing. That said, I have to consider that although JeraldeanBrayReid saw a need to wear, or at least have available to wear a head scarf earlier due to rain, perhaps she saw no need to wear it due to wind later and while viewing the Motorcade. Or, possibly she had anticipated viewing the Motorcade from the entrance portal landing, but found it too crowded.
Certainly, an image representing JeraldeanBray as a HS Student, quite likely would appear slightly different than an image representing JeraldeanBrayReid some 35+ years later in '67. And, the sidewalk image, as well as the DPD image, appear to me to also represent Mrs Robert"JeraldeanBray"Reid. Especially when considering additional indicative information indicating said identity.

Larry,

Thanks for the moral support.

It's good to know that there are a few (very few) other rational and unbiased people here, and you appear to be one of them.

Carry on.

--  MWT  ;)


Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
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Most people understand that the woman in Cook-Cooper who was interviewed by Leavelle is the person whom the Commission interviewed as Mrs Robert Reid...

No, “most people” understand things that are supported by actual evidence. Not the mere say-so of a guy with 559 fabrications to his name.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 09:11:52 PM
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And, the sidewalk image, as well as the DPD image talking to Detective JimLeavelle (1920-2019), appear to me to also represent Mrs Robert"JeraldeanBray"Reid.[/i] Especially when considering additional indicative information indicating said identity.

There is no “additional indicative information indicating said identity”.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Thomas Graves on September 29, 2019, 09:51:23 PM
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There is no “additional indicative information indicating said identity”.

John,

if you say so.

LOL

--  MWT   ;)
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Tom Scully on September 29, 2019, 10:22:29 PM
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There is no “additional indicative information indicating said identity”.

What goes best with chef doyle's "liguine forensics," marinara or alfredo sauce? trotterimage and graves are now the self-sponsored voices of reason. Doesn't do much for the appetite!

Back in 2012, " MWT"graves was running this intentionally unresolvable distraction. This thread and the entire,
"THE PATSY WAS OUT FRONT, STANDING LESS THAN TWO METERS FROM FRAZIER!" is the child of "Tan Jacket Man," it is
just what they do. I contrasted the diversion in 2012 with an example of actually identifying and solving an actual mystery. The alleged "missing CIA assassin of Mary Meyer". No results come from these diversions and that seems to be the intent of presenting and fixating on them! It sure is getting old, isn't it? It is no accident the only content posted in that 2012,"hey, look over there, thread of "Tan Jacket Man" happened to be my posts, resulting in two, face saving, revised editions of the book, "Mary's Mosaic"! Results speak volumes. Doyle and MWT have produced none. My posts in just that one thread triggered proof Doug Horne, for example, actually resented exposure to irrefutable facts. Pathetic....

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Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 10:39:35 PM
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if you say so.

LOL

Says the guy who has yet to come up with any evidence beyond "because I said so".
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: John Iacoletti on September 29, 2019, 10:41:04 PM
Quite right, Tom.  Doyle and Graves make up "could have been" stories and call it evidence.
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 10:59:13 PM
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Quite right, Tom.  Doyle and Graves make up "could have been" stories and call it evidence.

"Maybe she did this", "He probably did that", "It could have been this", "Most likely it was that".

They both make up stories that are not factual and claim that to be evidence. And they reject the factual evidence that's right in front of them. 
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 11:06:37 PM
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Thomas, your youthful patience is amazing. That said, I have to consider that although JeraldeanBrayReid (1912-1973) saw a need to wear, or at least have available to wear a head scarf earlier due to rain, perhaps she saw no need to wear it due to wind later and while viewing the Motorcade. Or, possibly she had anticipated viewing the Motorcade from the entrance portal landing, but found it too crowded.
Certainly, an image representing JeraldeanBray as a HS Student, quite likely would appear slightly different than an image representing JeraldeanBrayReid some 35+ years later in '67. And, the sidewalk image, as well as the DPD image talking to Detective JimLeavelle (1920-2019), appear to me to also represent Mrs Robert"JeraldeanBray"Reid. Especially when considering additional indicative information indicating said identity.

Jearldean Bray in the 1967 color photo looks nothing like the woman on the sidewalk in 1963 unless she had plastic surgery. You're another one making up fake stories about the scarf. Mrs. Robert A Reid testified to getting her jacket and scarf and you and Thomas Graves are making up fake stories to fit your phony narrative.  Mrs. Robert A Reid wore the scarf, the woman on the sidewalk did not.     
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 11:13:47 PM
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Brian,

Correct.

It was in her pocket or purse.

Thomas Graves still hasn't stated if the scarf was in her pocket or her purse. And how exactly would you know if she put the scarf in her pocket or her purse?
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Rick Plant on September 29, 2019, 11:25:52 PM
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Most people understand that the woman in Cook-Cooper who was interviewed by Leavelle is the person whom the Commission interviewed as Mrs Robert Reid...There is no credible other explanation short of crazies who defy reality for t****ing purposes...

Documented photographic evidence shows Jearldean Bray in the High School photo and in the color photo in 1967 to be the same person. She is the one who testified to wearing the scarf and is Mrs Robert A Reid. So, how can you claim that the woman on the sidewalk, who has no scarf, is Mrs. Robert A Reid when she looks nothing like herself in the 1967 color photo? Nobody can answer that but can only make up fake stories about the absence of a scarf.
Title: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Brian Doyle on September 30, 2019, 12:42:54 AM
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Documented photographic evidence shows Jearldean Bray in the High School photo and in the color photo in 1967 to be the same person. She is the one who testified to wearing the scarf and is Mrs Robert A Reid. So, how can you claim that the woman on the sidewalk, who has no scarf, is Mrs. Robert A Reid when she looks nothing like herself in the 1967 color photo? Nobody can answer that but can only make up fake stories about the absence of a scarf.

The woman on the sidewalk is Mrs Robert Reid because she's being interviewed by Leavelle and she's next to Alexander at the Police Station...The reason for that is because they brought in Mrs Robert Reid to be interviewed and that's her...

You two t***** come up short in the explanation department of why Leavelle and Alexander are wasting their post-assassination investigation time on an unknown stranger that you can't name if it isn't Mrs Reid...
Title: Re: Mrs Robert Reid
Post by: Tom Scully on September 30, 2019, 01:16:17 AM
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The woman on the sidewalk is Mrs Robert Reid because she's being interviewed by Leavelle and she's next to Alexander at the Police Station...The reason for that is because they brought in Mrs Robert Reid to be interviewed and that's her...

You two t***** come up short in the explanation department of why Leavelle and Alexander are wasting their post-assassination investigation time on an unknown stranger that you can't name if it isn't Mrs Reid...

Spoken like a first gen American from N........y, and it has only taken 76 pages to emphasize your un