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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Bill Brown on August 29, 2019, 11:36:02 PM
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There is an unconfirmed rumor going around that Jim Leavelle has passed while visiting family in Colorado. I'll post more as I know more.
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Thanks, Bill.
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https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/08/29/texan-jim-leavelle-escorted-lee-harvey-oswald-shot-killed-jack-ruby-died/
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/dallas-detective-handcuffed-lee-harvey-oswald-dead-99?fbclid=IwAR2AFAPd_G_Mb18N6QrX7pFux2hTX2VZMnIE8TTjRvmlPSIrP0jCRK2PXdM
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Yes, saw that earlier, too. Condolences to his family, naturally. Thanks, Bill.
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https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/08/29/texan-jim-leavelle-escorted-lee-harvey-oswald-shot-killed-jack-ruby-died/
Retired Dallas Detective Jim Leavelle, Who Escorted Lee Harvey Oswald When He Was Killed By Jack Ruby, Has Died At 99
~snip~
On the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Leavelle investigated the murder of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit.
He interrogated Lee Harvey Oswald about the crime.
“I had about 15-20 minutes with Oswald. I didn’t say a word about the President because I had no idea he was involved in that. All I was talking to him about was Officer Tippit’s murder.”
~snip~
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Leavelle
REPORT ON OFFICER"S DUTIES IN REGARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT"S MURDER
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Warren Commission Hearings, Volume VII
Current Section: James R. Leavelle
-snip-
Mr. Ball. You took part in the investigation, did you not, as a member of
the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. Leavelle. A minor part you might say. I didn't have much to do with
Oswald myself.
-snip-
Mr. Ball. Anybody ask him about a gun, whether or not he bought a rifle?
Mr. Leavelle I am sure they did. I remember some of them asking about
the rifle and about it being sent to the box here in Dallas but I do not recall.
I am not sure he denied it but I do not recall what his exact denial was.
Mr. Ball. You say he denied it. Do you remember whether or not he denied
that he had bought a rifle?
Mr. Leavelle. To the best of my knowledge I do. He did deny it but I would
not swear to it
Mr. Ball. Was anything said about a revolver?
Mr. Leavelle I am sure they asked him something about the revolver, too,
but I do not recall what it was.
-snip-
Mr. Ball Did you make any notes of the conversations?
Mr. Leavelle. No. I did not myself. That was the only time I ever sat in on
the interrogation of him by Captain Fritz or anyone.
Mr. Ball. Is that the first time you had seen Oswald?
Mr. Leavelle. No; I had seen him of course, the first day he was arrested
and when they brought him in and out of the office taking him to and from the
jail and of course, I had saw him at the showups, what have you.
Mr. Ball. Had you ever talked to him before?
Mr. Leavelle. No; I had never talked to him before.
-snip-
Mr. Stern. He engaged in banter with you and police officials?
Mr. Leavelle. Not with me because I didn't have occasion to question him,
but he did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=270 (http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=270)
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Leavelle’s memory got better as he got older...
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I've seen footage of Leavelle literally explaining that he was referring to official interrogations of Oswald (which he is saying he did not take part in) versus simply having a few minutes with Oswald when Oswald was first brought in from the theater. If you guys can't understand things like that, then the problem is yours, not his.
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Leavelle’s memory got better as he got older...
Indeed.... but Bill Brown saw footage, so I guess that settles it ;)
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"It was really important for him to emphasize that what mattered most to him were the times that he helped people," she said. For instance, the time that he was called to a store where a woman had been caught shoplifting toys for her kids; he ended up buying them gifts for the holidays. -- Kate Griendling (Jim Leavelle's granddaughter)
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Along with two assassination researchers, I had the pleasure to spend five hours with Jim Leavelle back in June of this year at his residence. Jim was happy to have us, you could tell that by the way he talked to us. He spent about forty-five minutes talking about the assassination and Oswald. The rest of the time, he talked about Pearl Harbor, his wife Taimi and a few hours of stories related to his time as a member of the Dallas Police Department. Each time he finished a story, he would pause for maybe ten seconds before asking us if we wanted to hear another one. We hung on his every word. In five short hours, I could easily tell that Jim Leavelle was a great man. Jim was much more than simply the guy who was handcuffed to Oswald. That Bob Jackson photo made him famous, but it certainly did not define him.
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Along with two assassination researchers, I had the pleasure to spend five hours with Jim Leavelle back in June of this year at his residence. Jim was happy to have us, you could tell that by the way he talked to us. He spent about forty-five minutes talking about the assassination and Oswald. The rest of the time, he talked about Pearl Harbor, his wife Taimi and a few hours of stories related to his time as a member of the Dallas Police Department. Each time he finished a story, he would pause for maybe ten seconds before asking us if we wanted to hear another one. We hung on his every word. In five short hours, I could easily tell that Jim Leavelle was a great man. Jim was much more than simply the guy who was handcuffed to Oswald. That Bob Jackson photo made him famous, but it certainly did not define him.
That must have been an amazing experience. Lately I have been reading mostly autobiographies and interviews, etc of some of the witnesses and participants in the events surrounding the assassination. And there are some eye-opening revelations there. John Connally’s book “In History’s Shadow” is the latest one for me. He led quite an extraordinary life. And I can tell from your post that Jim Leavelle did too. Thanks.
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Retired Dallas Detective Jim Leavelle, Who Escorted Lee Harvey Oswald When He Was Killed By Jack Ruby, Has Died At 99
~snip~
On the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Leavelle investigated the murder of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit.
He interrogated Lee Harvey Oswald about the crime.
“I had about 15-20 minutes with Oswald. I didn’t say a word about the President because I had no idea he was involved in that. All I was talking to him about was Officer Tippit’s murder.”
~snip~
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Leavelle
REPORT ON OFFICER"S DUTIES IN REGARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT"S MURDER
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Warren Commission Hearings, Volume VII
Current Section: James R. Leavelle
-snip-
Mr. Ball. You took part in the investigation, did you not, as a member of
the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. Leavelle. A minor part you might say. I didn't have much to do with
Oswald myself.
-snip-
Mr. Ball. Anybody ask him about a gun, whether or not he bought a rifle?
Mr. Leavelle I am sure they did. I remember some of them asking about
the rifle and about it being sent to the box here in Dallas but I do not recall.
I am not sure he denied it but I do not recall what his exact denial was.
Mr. Ball. You say he denied it. Do you remember whether or not he denied
that he had bought a rifle?
Mr. Leavelle. To the best of my knowledge I do. He did deny it but I would
not swear to it
Mr. Ball. Was anything said about a revolver?
Mr. Leavelle I am sure they asked him something about the revolver, too,
but I do not recall what it was.
-snip-
Mr. Ball Did you make any notes of the conversations?
Mr. Leavelle. No. I did not myself. That was the only time I ever sat in on
the interrogation of him by Captain Fritz or anyone.
Mr. Ball. Is that the first time you had seen Oswald?
Mr. Leavelle. No; I had seen him of course, the first day he was arrested
and when they brought him in and out of the office taking him to and from the
jail and of course, I had saw him at the showups, what have you.
Mr. Ball. Had you ever talked to him before?
Mr. Leavelle. No; I had never talked to him before.
-snip-
Mr. Stern. He engaged in banter with you and police officials?
Mr. Leavelle. Not with me because I didn't have occasion to question him,
but he did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=270 (http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=270)
“I had about 15-20 minutes with Oswald. I didn’t say a word about the President because I had no idea he was involved in that. All I was talking to him about was Officer Tippit’s murder.”
Mr. Stern. He engaged in banter with you and police officials?
Mr. Leavelle. Not with me because I didn't have occasion to question him,
but he did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer.
Hmmmm??? Leavelle says he talked to Lee Oswald for about 15 or 20 minutes ...... But..... "I didn't have occasion to question him" .
I believe Leavelle was confused and desperate to confuse others.....
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Retired Dallas Detective Jim Leavelle, Who Escorted Lee Harvey Oswald When He Was Killed By Jack Ruby, Has Died At 99
~snip~
On the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Leavelle investigated the murder of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit.
He interrogated Lee Harvey Oswald about the crime.
“I had about 15-20 minutes with Oswald. I didn’t say a word about the President because I had no idea he was involved in that. All I was talking to him about was Officer Tippit’s murder.”
~snip~
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Leavelle
REPORT ON OFFICER"S DUTIES IN REGARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT"S MURDER
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Warren Commission Hearings, Volume VII
Current Section: James R. Leavelle
-snip-
Mr. Ball. You took part in the investigation, did you not, as a member of
the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. Leavelle. A minor part you might say. I didn't have much to do with
Oswald myself.
-snip-
Mr. Ball. Anybody ask him about a gun, whether or not he bought a rifle?
Mr. Leavelle I am sure they did. I remember some of them asking about
the rifle and about it being sent to the box here in Dallas but I do not recall.
I am not sure he denied it but I do not recall what his exact denial was.
Mr. Ball. You say he denied it. Do you remember whether or not he denied
that he had bought a rifle?
Mr. Leavelle. To the best of my knowledge I do. He did deny it but I would
not swear to it
Mr. Ball. Was anything said about a revolver?
Mr. Leavelle I am sure they asked him something about the revolver, too,
but I do not recall what it was.
-snip-
Mr. Ball Did you make any notes of the conversations?
Mr. Leavelle. No. I did not myself. That was the only time I ever sat in on
the interrogation of him by Captain Fritz or anyone.
Mr. Ball. Is that the first time you had seen Oswald?
Mr. Leavelle. No; I had seen him of course, the first day he was arrested
and when they brought him in and out of the office taking him to and from the
jail and of course, I had saw him at the showups, what have you.
Mr. Ball. Had you ever talked to him before?
Mr. Leavelle. No; I had never talked to him before.
-snip-
Mr. Stern. He engaged in banter with you and police officials?
Mr. Leavelle. Not with me because I didn't have occasion to question him,
but he did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=270 (http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=270)
“I had about 15-20 minutes with Oswald. I didn’t say a word about the President because I had no idea he was involved in that. All I was talking to him about was Officer Tippit’s murder.”
REPORT ON OFFICER"S DUTIES IN REGARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT"S MURDER
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Would someone please point out in Leavelle's affidavit the part where he talked to Lee Oswald for 15 or 20 minutes? ......
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The Life of Detective Jim Leavelle
https://jfkwitnesses.omeka.net/exhibits/show/investigators/james-leavelle
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May he Rest In Peace.
Fred
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That must have been an amazing experience. Lately I have been reading mostly autobiographies and interviews, etc of some of the witnesses and participants in the events surrounding the assassination. And there are some eye-opening revelations there. John Connally’s book “In History’s Shadow” is the latest one for me. He led quite an extraordinary life. And I can tell from your post that Jim Leavelle did too. Thanks.
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Each time he finished a story, he would pause for maybe ten seconds before asking us if we wanted to hear another one. We hung on his every word.
The man told you he was telling tales......and you listened with rapt attention like little kids listening to Alice in Wonderland....
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Each time he finished a story, he would pause for maybe ten seconds before asking us if we wanted to hear another one. We hung on his every word.
The man told you he was telling tales......and you listened with rapt attention like little kids listening to Alice in Wonderland....
He was telling us about his experiences. So what?
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He was telling us about his experiences. So what?
You're a simpleton, and a fool......
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You're a simpleton, and a fool......
I know I will regret asking but what possible beef could you have with Leavelle? Do you think he was involved in the frame up? If so, in what capacity? Maybe painting red circles on the TSBD windows and touching his nose as a double secret signal to LBJ to duck?
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I find it fascinating that if he hadn't have tugged on Oswalds belt its very likely Oswald would've lived and the conspiracy rumours would have been quashed quite quickly.
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I know I will regret asking but what possible beef could you have with Leavelle? Do you think he was involved in the frame up? If so, in what capacity? Maybe painting red circles on the TSBD windows and touching his nose as a double secret signal to LBJ to duck?
I have the same "beef" with Leavelle that I have with all who framed a poor hapless dupe ...... For your information that railroading of a sucker was very common in Dallas back in the day..... Henry Wade sent many innocent hapless dupes to prison .
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“I had about 15-20 minutes with Oswald. I didn’t say a word about the President because I had no idea he was involved in that. All I was talking to him about was Officer Tippit’s murder.”
Mr. Stern. He engaged in banter with you and police officials?
Mr. Leavelle. Not with me because I didn't have occasion to question him,
but he did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer.
Hmmmm??? Leavelle says he talked to Lee Oswald for about 15 or 20 minutes ...... But..... "I didn't have occasion to question him" .
I believe Leavelle was confused and desperate to confuse others.....
His account of his participation in the investigation of the murders of JFK and Tippit changed over time.
He either lied to the WC and in the contemporaneous reports he produced or he embellished (lied) stories in later years when he became
a minor celebrity, especially to his LNer fan boys.
His exaggerations are in favor of the LN did it official narrative
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I have the same "beef" with Leavelle that I have with all who framed a poor hapless dupe ...... For your information that railroading of a sucker was very common in Dallas back in the day..... Henry Wade sent many innocent hapless dupes to prison .
What was Leavelle's role in the frame up? Other than expressing his opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence, that Oswald was guilty, he doesn't seem to have done much other than to be presented when your hero was shot.
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What was Leavelle's role in the frame up? Other than expressing his opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence, that Oswald was guilty, he doesn't seem to have done much other than to be presented when your hero was shot.
What was Leavelle's role in the frame up? Other than expressing his opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence, that Oswald was guilty,
Other than expressing his opinion[/i], based on the overwhelming trumped up, false evidence, that Oswald was guilty,
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"overwhelming evidence". LOL.
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What was Leavelle's role in the frame up? Other than expressing his opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence, that Oswald was guilty,
Other than expressing his opinion[/i], based on the overwhelming trumped up, false evidence, that Oswald was guilty,
Try to focus. You have suggested that Leavelle was involved in the frame up. So what his role? I'm not aware of anything Leavelle did that would have advanced the case against Oswald. But perhaps you can enlighten us.
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Try to focus. You have suggested that Leavelle was involved in the frame up. So what his role? I'm not aware of anything Leavelle did that would have advanced the case against Oswald. But perhaps you can enlighten us.
Leavelle was involved in the framing of Lee Oswald by his perpetration of the lies that were created by the DPD.......
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Leavelle was involved in the framing of Lee Oswald by his perpetration of the lies that were created by the DPD.......
What "perpetration of lies" did Leavelle commit other than expressing his opinion that Oswald was guilty? Many people believe Oswald is guilty. Are they all involved in the frame up? I would think that participation in a frame up might involve something a bit more proactive.
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What was Leavelle's role in the frame up? Other than expressing his opinion, based on the overwhelming evidence, that Oswald was guilty, he doesn't seem to have done much other than to be presented when your hero was shot.
Too bad that opinions aren't evidence of anything.
I like the old man and have spoken to him several times over the years. I respected what he believed to be true and he was honest enough to agree that whatever he believed might not be what really happened.
And you are right, Richard, as far as evidence goes, the only real claim to fame he has was that he was cuffed to Oswald when he was shot. If there was a frame up, Leavelle had no active part in it at all, but he may have been played for a fool and duped like just about every LN has been.
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Too bad that opinions aren't evidence of anything.
I like the old man and have spoken to him several times over the years. I respected what he believed to be true and he was honest enough to agree that whatever he believed might not be what really happened.
And you are right, Richard, as far as evidence goes, the only real claim to fame he has was that he was cuffed to Oswald when he was shot. If there was a frame up, Leavelle had no active part in it at all, but he may have been played for a fool and duped like just about every LN has been.
"If there was a frame up, Leavelle had no active part in it at all, but he may have been played for a fool and duped like just about every LN has been."
he may have been played for a fool and duped like just about every LN has been.
True....And don't forget the fact that he was a member of "The Thin Blue Line"..... IMO the reason that officer Tippit was murdered was because the conspirators knew that the murder of a police officer would be akin to poking a hornets nest.... I believe they intended for an irate cop to shoot Lee in the Texas Theater....
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Another cop that did what he was told to do and believed what he was told to believe.
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Another cop that did what he was told to do and believed what he was told to believe.
I can't imagine any man (adult) with an average IQ who would do what you describe ...... There are many adults who believe utterly irrational things...Because the want to....but not because they are ordered to accept the nutty ideas.
Leavelle accepted the story that was created for the gullible and then repeated and embellished the tale.....
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Leavelle accepted the story that was created for the gullible and then repeated and embellished the tale.....
And Roger Craig didn't and paid the price. Fear---the greatest motivator of all.
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And Roger Craig didn't and paid the price. Fear---the greatest motivator of all.
Unfortunately Roger Craig was not all that different than Leavelle...... They both believed fantastic tales..... Craig got off on the wrong foot when he accepted the speculative idea that the rifle beneath the boxes of books was a Mauser. He then embellished that idea by lying and saying that he saw 7.65 Mauser stamped right there on the barrel.
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There are many adults who believe utterly irrational things...Because the want to....but not because they are ordered to accept the nutty ideas.
The irony abounds! Think red circles.
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The irony abounds! Think red circles.
If you ad normal eyesight and a functioning brain, then you would not doubt that there were seven red rings on the windows on the south side, upper floor windows at the time President Kennedy was ambushed and murdered ......
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If you ad normal eyesight and a functioning brain, then you would not doubt that there were seven red rings on the windows on the south side, upper floor windows at the time President Kennedy was ambushed and murdered ......
And this, of course, means they were signals to LBJ! We can ignore Gary Mack's explanation and newspaper accounts from years earlier indicating that these were used for fire safety and instead take your word for it. I can write some dialogue for your fictional book:
LBJ: "Now Lady Bird, if you see a red ring on yonder building get your sweet self down because they gonna be some shooting!"
Lady Bird: "Which building?"
LBJ: "Yonder woman." Bang, bang, bang. "Hot damn."
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Is Roger Craig still a thing? Good Lord.
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And this, of course, means they were signals to LBJ! We can ignore Gary Mack's explanation and newspaper accounts from years earlier indicating that these were used for fire safety and instead take your word for it. I can write some dialogue for your fictional book:
LBJ: "Now Lady Bird, if you see a red ring on yonder building get your sweet self down because they gonna be some shooting!"
Lady Bird: "Which building?"
LBJ: "Yonder woman." Bang, bang, bang. "Hot damn."
Don't give up your regular job while attempting to write a book.....