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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Charles Collins on August 14, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
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Many believe that the shot that hit JFK and JBC occurred between z223 and z224. In Z223 Connally can be seen, however JFK is blocked from view by the sign.
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In frame z224 the right lapel on JBC's jacket appears to sudden have flipped up. Many believe that the bullet passing through his jacket caused this to happen.
(https://i.vgy.me/NGewH5.png)
It is not until frame z225 that JFK can first be seen as he emerges from behind the sign. And both JFK and JBC are both apparently already reacting to being hit.
(https://i.vgy.me/NdnL68.png)
In a 3D SBT limo positions exercise that I have been working on (still in progress) it became apparent to me that the position of JBC's torso changes significantly between z223 and z225. Therefore my initial attempts to align a generic character with the position of JBC in z225 was not accurate as compared to the actual position of JBC when the bullet struck between z223 and z224. Here is an animated GIF showing the two different positions of JBC:
(https://i.vgy.me/II9bUZ.gif)
My idea to attempt to account for the different positions of JBC was to superimpose half of frame z223 onto frame z225 and position it so that the limo components, etc line up. Here is the resulting combined image that I will use to align the two men in my SBT exercise:
(https://i.vgy.me/zoisvQ.png)
And here is an image showing the characters in my 3D application layered at 40% opacity over the combined image along with an animated GIF comparing the two:
(https://i.vgy.me/U8Mz0h.png)
(https://i.vgy.me/xfJ469.gif)
I hope everyone follows the logic and understands what I am doing. The 3D application has limitations. I cannot independently adjust the heads, arms and legs of the characters. Therefore only the torsos of the two characters have been aligned with the two men in the combined zapruder frame.
Here is a screenshot of the 3D application showing the alignments of the characters, Zapruder's camera angle, and the compass heading.
(https://i.vgy.me/BufeDs.png)
And the various views based on the position of the sun on 11/22/1963 at 12:30 pm:
(https://i.vgy.me/J1hBhY.png)
(https://i.vgy.me/jKcHWL.png)
(https://i.vgy.me/8cacin.png)
(https://i.vgy.me/cxaFrA.png)
(https://i.vgy.me/jXdgbg.png)
(https://i.vgy.me/3237GF.png)
You will notice that the path of the bullet is deflected by the collision with JBC's rib. I show both the original path (if it had gone straight through JBC) and the deflected path.
As I said earlier, this is a work in progress. Given the limitations of my 3D application, etc, this is not considered by me to be 100% accurate. However, I do think it is close enough to demonstrate the SBT concept. Any constructive criticism is appreciated.
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How does a bullet fired from 60 feet in the air, 6th floor SE corner TSBD, travel upward through JFK's neck?
The wound in his back is lower than the wound in the front of his neck.
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(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/backwoundwc_1.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/fbiautopsy.jpg)
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How does a bullet fired from 60 feet in the air, 6th floor SE corner TSBD, travel upward through JFK's neck?
The wound in his back is lower than the wound in the front of his neck.
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/backwoundautopsyphotos.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/backwoundwc_1.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/fbiautopsy.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/oneil.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/sebert.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/buckley%202.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/3rdthoracicV.jpg)
The limo was traveling down a slope of 3 degrees at that point in time. And JFK was not sitting completely upright (against the back of the seat), plus his posture was not the same as they had him in on the autopsy table.
(https://i.vgy.me/eNriMH.jpg)
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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/801/40148739175_6c6d5fdcdb_c.jpg)
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??? This graphic shows the bullet would have come out in JFK's chest not his throat. ???
(https://i.vgy.me/JnPl86.jpg)
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??? This graphic shows the bullet would have come out in JFK's chest not his throat. ???
(https://i.vgy.me/JnPl86.jpg)
No it doesn’t. Angles can be deceiving in photography. If the photo had been taken from a ninety degree angle from the direction of the limousine travel it would show the path of the bullet exiting just below the larynx.
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quote author=Martin Hinrichs
"What we see here is in my eyes clearly the impact-moment of the shot which hits Kennedy in his back.
(http://www.jfkennedy.it/Immagini/Leprovedelcomplotto/nelfilmdiZapruder/backhit.gif)
(http://www.jfkennedy.it/Immagini/Leprovedelcomplotto/nelfilmdiZapruder/Z229-235.gif)
"Credit Giuseppe Sabatino"
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quote author=Martin Hinrichs
"What we see here is in my eyes clearly the impact-moment of the shot which hits Kennedy in his back.
(http://www.jfkennedy.it/Immagini/Leprovedelcomplotto/nelfilmdiZapruder/backhit.gif)
(http://www.jfkennedy.it/Immagini/Leprovedelcomplotto/nelfilmdiZapruder/Z229-235.gif)
"Credit Giuseppe Sabatino"
Well if someone believes that JFK already had his arms stuck up like that and his hands were already near his throat before he was hit in the back, then they must believe he had already been shot.
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Well if someone believes that JFK already had his arms stuck up like that and his hands were already near his throat before he was hit in the back, then they must believe he had already been shot.
Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear
level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right
back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I
said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital
immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and
this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the
President was sideways down into. the back seat.
~snip~
Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear
after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean now two shots in addition to the first noise?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; yes, sir; at least.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the time, in seconds, from the first noise sounding like a firecracker until
the second noise which you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This was instantaneous
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Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the sound of the flurry of shots by way of distinction with the way you have described the
sound of the first shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, having heard all types of guns fired, most of them, rather, if I recall correctly these were two
sharp reports, sir. Again, I am going to refer to it as like a plane going through a sound barrier; bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, you are referring to the flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
Mr. SPECTER. Did it sound differently from the first noise you have described as being a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; definitely; very much so.
~snip~
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your
mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able
to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those
were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three,
there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN.President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our
reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
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Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear
level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right
back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I
said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital
immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and
this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the
President was sideways down into. the back seat.
~snip~
Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear
after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean now two shots in addition to the first noise?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; yes, sir; at least.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the time, in seconds, from the first noise sounding like a firecracker until
the second noise which you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This was instantaneous
~snip~
Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the sound of the flurry of shots by way of distinction with the way you have described the
sound of the first shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, having heard all types of guns fired, most of them, rather, if I recall correctly these were two
sharp reports, sir. Again, I am going to refer to it as like a plane going through a sound barrier; bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, you are referring to the flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
Mr. SPECTER. Did it sound differently from the first noise you have described as being a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; definitely; very much so.
~snip~
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your
mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able
to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those
were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three,
there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN.President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our
reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
So Kellerman apparently doesn’t consider the actual evidence. And he based his opinion that there was a “flurry” on his outdated and false information about the number and nature of the wounds. Nice!
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JFK's neck wound
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Connaly's back wound
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Mr. PURDY. Referring again to F-244, what is the earliest prior to that point that President Kennedy would have had to have been struck?
Dr. WECHT. I would say probably somewhere like--well I can't--I would put it, based upon the timing of the Zapruder film and counting the frames, I would put it back somewhere about a half a second, maybe even a little bit more, somewhere along there. I cannot be precise. I do want to point out at this time, if I may, because there is some confusion on this, sometimes there has been deliberate misrepresentation of the period of time during which the two gentlemen are behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. That is a period of 0.9 seconds. I emphasize that because we see in F-229 that indeed Gov. John Connally is sitting directly in front of the President. We see in F-244 that Gov. John Connally is still seated directly in front of the President. When we bring up the question of the trajectory, that hopefully we will get into later, they say, ah, but we cannot know what happened when they were behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. I just think it is important for the record to reflect upon the fact that what presumably they are asking us to just speculate upon is that in that 0.9 second interval, the President bent down to tie his shoelace or fix his sock, he was then shot and then sat back up. I do not mean to be flip, this is a very serious matter, but I would suggest that is a movement that the most skilled athlete, knowing what he is going to do, could not perform in that period of time. That is very important to understand, because we see their positions before and immediately afterward. I think it is pure poppycock, it would be an insult to this committee for anybody to suggest that we can't really determine trajectory because we don't know what the physical relationship was between the two men when the President was shot, and when they say under the single bullet theory, John Connally had also been shot.
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So Kellerman apparently doesn’t consider the actual evidence. And he based his opinion that there was a “flurry” on his outdated and false information about the number and nature of the wounds. Nice!
He was in the Limo when JFK was shot. I think his opinion of what happened carries some weight.
By the way, just so I can try to understand what you're trying to convey, what is it you consider false and outdated about the nature and
number of wounds?
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He was in the Limo when JFK was shot. I think his opinion of what happened carries some weight.
By the way, just so I can try to understand what you're trying to convey, what is it you consider false and outdated about the nature and
number of wounds?
KELLERMAN.President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our
reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
He doesn’t identify or even differentiate the entrance wounds from the exit wounds. And he is inconsistent because he is apparently counting all four of JFK’s wounds but apparently ignoring the two exit wounds of Connally.
I said his information is false because it is incorrect. And it appears to me that he knew about the initial reports but didn’t know about the autopsy report results or the reports of the doctors that operated on JBC. Therefore, I believe that his information was outdated.
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They made a whole lot of photos while setting up CE903, here's another from the same opposite side and it's obvious they are simply looking to line up the appropriate angle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KcQLF6YR/111b-Opposite-Angle-View-Of-CE903-1.gif)
Now Gary, I'm sure you know the following devasting evidence exists yet I have never seen you post it, I wonder why?
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fqtQJns/specter-sbf.jpg)
Btw in the following composite of the above photo as compared to Crofts photo just seconds before on Elm street and we can clearly see that Kennedy's jacket is bunched. Oops!
(https://i.postimg.cc/jqygXdvB/Kennedy-stand-in-sbf.gif)
JohnM
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KELLERMAN.President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our
reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
He doesn’t identify or even differentiate the entrance wounds from the exit wounds. And he is inconsistent because he is apparently counting all four of JFK’s wounds but apparently ignoring the two exit wounds of Connally.
I said his information is false because it is incorrect. And it appears to me that he knew about the initial reports but didn’t know about the autopsy report results or the reports of the doctors that operated on JBC. Therefore, I believe that his information was outdated.
If JFK was hit twice in the head, in the throat from the front and in the back from the rear, that's 4 wounds.
Connally had 3 wounds.
Makes more sense than the SBT.
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They made a whole lot of photos while setting up CE903, here's another from the same opposite side and it's obvious they are simply looking to line up the appropriate angle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/KcQLF6YR/111b-Opposite-Angle-View-Of-CE903-1.gif)
Now Gary, I'm sure you know the following devasting evidence exists yet I have never seen you post it, I wonder why?
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fqtQJns/specter-sbf.jpg)
Btw in the following composite of the above photo as compared to Crofts photo just seconds before on Elm street and we can clearly see that Kennedy's jacket is bunched. Oops!
(https://i.postimg.cc/jqygXdvB/Kennedy-stand-in-sbf.gif)
JohnM
"They made a whole lot of photos while setting up CE903, here's another from the same opposite side and it's obvious they are simply looking to line up the appropriate angle."
They came up with the SBT with a stick and 2 stand ins. :D
"Now Gary, I'm sure you know the following devasting evidence exists yet I have never seen you post it, I wonder why?"
I've seen it many times. It shows how a bullet from the right rear could pass over JFK's right shoulder and hit JBC.
"Btw in the following composite of the above photo as compared to Crofts photo just seconds before on Elm street and we can clearly see that Kennedy's jacket is bunched. Oops!"
Bunched up or not the hole in JFK's back is still 4 inches below the top of his shoulder. Lower than the bullet hole in the front of his throat.
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If JFK was hit twice in the head, in the throat from the front and in the back from the rear, that's 4 wounds.
Connally had 3 wounds.
Makes more sense than the SBT.
Makes more sense than the SBT.
The evidence doesn’t support that idea.
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So Kellerman apparently doesn’t consider the actual evidence. And he based his opinion that there was a “flurry” on his outdated and false information about the number and nature of the wounds. Nice!
Does the supersonic 'crack' after each muzzle blast have any traction here? And quite an echo zone downrange from the TSBD, I understand. And I'm thinking that this sudden & totally unexpected attempt on Kennedy (unless someone other than the shooter can be shown to have knowledge of same) would have an effect not unlike being suddenly awoken from deep sleep in a home-invasion scenario, where instant comprehension would be nigh impossible.
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Makes more sense than the SBT.
The evidence doesn’t support that idea.
The autopsy doctors found a bullet hole slightly above and slightly to the right of the EOP in the rear of JFK's skull.
The Clark Panel found a trail of metal particles across the top of his skull 4 inches above the EOP wound. They said it was from a bullet.
That's 2 in the head.
The ER doctors at Parkland described a 3mm clean cut entrance wound in the front of JFK's throat.
The autopsy doctors found a wound in JFK's back below his shoulders.
That's 4 total.
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The autopsy doctors found a bullet hole slightly above and slightly to the right of the EOP in the rear of JFK's skull.
The Clark Panel found a trail of metal particles across the top of his skull 4 inches above the EOP wound. They said it was from a bullet.
That's 2 in the head.
The ER doctors at Parkland described a 3mm clean cut entrance wound in the front of JFK's throat.
The autopsy doctors found a wound in JFK's back below his shoulders.
That's 4 total.
That's 2 in the head.
Who says the particles were from a different bullet?
The ER doctors at Parkland described a 3mm clean cut entrance wound in the front of JFK's throat.
The shirt and tie both indicate that it was an exit wound.
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quote author=Martin Hinrichs
"What we see here is in my eyes clearly the impact-moment of the shot which hits Kennedy in his back.
(http://www.jfkennedy.it/Immagini/Leprovedelcomplotto/nelfilmdiZapruder/backhit.gif)
(http://www.jfkennedy.it/Immagini/Leprovedelcomplotto/nelfilmdiZapruder/Z229-235.gif)
"Credit Giuseppe Sabatino"
You're absolutely right, these are the Zapruder frames of when CE399 strikes both Kennedy and Connally, they both react simultaneously and they're lined up with a solid trajectory right back to the sniper's nest window.
The following gif shows a few more frames which translates to fraction of a second prior to the GIF posted by Craig above.
(https://i.postimg.cc/k4s9Z3mm/sbfact.gif)
JohnM
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The ER doctors at Parkland described a 3mm clean cut entrance wound in the front of JFK's throat.
The shirt and tie both indicate that it was an exit wound.
Thumb1:
Exactly, you cannot change the laws of physics.
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(https://vincepalamara.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/48393740_10216559912845829_8759142890279534592_n.jpg)
JohnM
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Thumb1:
Exactly, you cannot change the laws of physics.
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(https://vincepalamara.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/48393740_10216559912845829_8759142890279534592_n.jpg)
JohnM
If I'd ever read about that or seen those photos, I'd forgotten about it.
Slam dunk proof, imho, that the throat wound was an exit wound.
-- MWT ;)
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Thumb1:
Exactly, you cannot change the laws of physics.
~snip~
JohnM
"Exactly, you cannot change the laws of physics."
How does a bullet fired from 60 feet in the air, 6th floor SE corner TSBD, travel upward through JFK's neck?
The wound in his back is lower than the wound in the front of his neck.
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/backwoundautopsyphotos.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/backwoundwc_1.jpg)
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That's 2 in the head.
Who says the particles were from a different bullet?
The ER doctors at Parkland described a 3mm clean cut entrance wound in the front of JFK's throat.
The shirt and tie both indicate that it was an exit wound.
"Who says the particles were from a different bullet?"
They're 4 inches+ above the EOP wound documented by the autopsy doctors.
How could they be from the same bullet?
"The shirt and tie both indicate that it was an exit wound."
The 3mm clean cut hole in the front of JFK's neck indicates an entrance wound.
The official narrative has a shock wave from the bullet causing the bruise to the top of JFK's right lung.
That same shock wave would have blown a larger than 3mm hole as the bullet exited the front of his neck.
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You're absolutely right, these are the Zapruder frames of when CE399 strikes both Kennedy and Connally, they both react simultaneously and they're lined up with a solid trajectory right back to the sniper's nest window.
The following gif shows a few more frames which translates to fraction of a second prior to the GIF posted by Craig above.
~snip~
JohnM
"and they're lined up with a solid trajectory right back to the sniper's nest window."
Name the Zapruder film frame number that JFK and JBC are hit by 399.
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[I["Who says the particles were from a different bullet?"[/I]
They're 4 inches+ above the EOP wound documented by the autopsy doctors.
How could they be from the same bullet?
"The shirt and tie both indicate that it was an exit wound."
The 3mm clean cut hole in the front of JFK's neck indicates an entrance wound.
The official narrative has a shock wave from the bullet causing the bruise to the top of JFK's right lung.
That same shock wave would have blown a larger than 3mm hole as the bullet exited the front of his neck.
How could they be from the same bullet?
Pieces of that bullet apparently hit the inside of the windshield, with enough force to damage it in two places, after they exited the head. Fragments from that same bullet being scattered inside the head seems likely to me.
That same shock wave would have blown a larger than 3mm hole as the bullet exited the front of his neck.
I get bruises plenty of times without breaking the skin.
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Here is a view of my 3D exercise from Croft's angle when the photo was taken at z161. From that angle the path of the bullet appears to exit from JFK's chest (similar to the line drawn on the photo that I posted earlier in this thread).
(https://i.vgy.me/FEtmSU.png)
However this clip demonstrates what I said about angles being deceptive in photography. As the camera rotates towards the front it shows that the path is actually exiting out of the base of the throat.
(https://i.vgy.me/Um84eO.mp4)
Out of curiosity I looked to see how the positions of the characters in my 3D exercise aligned with the men in Croft's photo (from that same angle). Again the character's heads and arms and legs do not independently adjust, so the torsos' positions are what is being compared.
(https://i.vgy.me/jUAwxt.gif)
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How could they be from the same bullet?
Pieces of that bullet apparently hit the inside of the windshield, with enough force to damage it in two places, after they exited the head. Fragments from that same bullet being scattered inside the head seems likely to me.
That same shock wave would have blown a larger than 3mm hole as the bullet exited the front of his neck.
I get bruises plenty of times without breaking the skin.
"Pieces of that bullet apparently hit the inside of the windshield, with enough force to damage it in two places, after they exited the head. Fragments from that same bullet being scattered inside the head seems likely to me.'
Are you insinuating that the trail of metal particles in this x-ray are from a wound low in the back of JFK's skull? The EOP. ???
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/XrayLateral.jpg)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/md73_0001a.jpg)
"I get bruises plenty of times without breaking the skin."
I'm sorry to hear that but what does that have to do with a shock wave from a 6.5 Carcano round through the neck?
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"Pieces of that bullet apparently hit the inside of the windshield, with enough force to damage it in two places, after they exited the head. Fragments from that same bullet being scattered inside the head seems likely to me.'
Are you insinuating that the trail of metal particles in this x-ray are from a wound low in the back of JFK's skull? The EOP. ???
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/XrayLateral.jpg)
(https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae75/garcra/External_occipital_protuberance_-_lateral_view2.png)
"I get bruises plenty of times without breaking the skin."
I'm sorry to hear that but what does that have to do with a shock wave from a 6.5 Carcano round through the neck?
Are you insinuating that the trail of metal particles in this x-ray are from a wound low in the back of JFK's skull? The EOP. ???
Yes
I'm sorry to hear that but what does that have to do with a shock wave from a 6.5 Carcano round through the neck?
It demonstrates that the skin is elastic.
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Now Gary, I'm sure you know the following devasting evidence exists yet I have never seen you post it, I wonder why?
A pointer that goes over the man's shoulder is "devastating evidence"? Of what?
:D
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"and they're lined up with a solid trajectory right back to the sniper's nest window."
Name the Zapruder film frame number that JFK and JBC are hit by 399.
You go first
In any case, Well before* they reacted
*in supersonic terms
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The wound in his back is lower than the wound in the front of his neck.
Wrong.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CtJ2F26fNOA/UomPNqu1_0I/AAAAAAAAw6Y/aHC_-1IjyXg/s1600/JFK-Back-Wound-001.jpg)
JohnM
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Here is a view of my 3D exercise from Croft's angle when the photo was taken at z161. From that angle the path of the bullet appears to exit from JFK's chest (similar to the line drawn on the photo that I posted earlier in this thread).
(https://i.vgy.me/FEtmSU.png)
However this clip demonstrates what I said about angles being deceptive in photography. As the camera rotates towards the front it shows that the path is actually exiting out of the base of the throat.
Good work. Now can you show us the overhead view? I would like to see where the Governor Connally figure is in relation to the JFK figure and the angle of the shot to the direction of the car.
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Good work. Now can you show us the overhead view? I would like to see where the Governor Connally figure is in relation to the JFK figure and the angle of the shot to the direction of the car.
The first post in this thread shows various angles. Including this overhead view.
(https://i.vgy.me/jKcHWL.png)
The angle of the initial bullet path is 10-degrees right to left and 17.5-degrees down. Both angles are relative to the limousine. The deflected bullet path (after it hit the rib) is 13-degrees to the right of the initial bullet path and 1-degree down from the initial bullet path. The angle of the camera is 41-degrees relative to the limousine. The first post also includes a screen shot showing the compass direction, which is meaningful to the sun position on 11/22/63 at 12:30 pm.
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Exactly, you cannot change the laws of physics.
(https://vincepalamara.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/48356808_10216559914525871_6977331718478888960_o.jpg)
(https://vincepalamara.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/48393740_10216559912845829_8759142890279534592_n.jpg)
JohnM
And obviously, physics is not a strong point for you. Do you mean to tell me that shirt was unbuttoned when JFK was shot? The shirt didn't take itself off of JFK, did it?
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The first post in this thread shows various angles. Including this overhead view.
(https://i.vgy.me/jKcHWL.png)
The angle of the initial bullet path is 10-degrees right to left and 17.5-degrees down. Both angles are relative to the limousine. The deflected bullet path (after it hit the rib) is 13-degrees to the right of the initial bullet path and 1-degree down from the initial bullet path. The angle of the camera is 41-degrees relative to the limousine. The first post also includes a screen shot showing the compass direction, which is meaningful to the sun position on 11/22/63 at 12:30 pm.
You appear to have Gov. Connally's midline/spine about 12 inches left of JFK's midline/spine. What is the evidence that he was that far left?
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You appear to have Gov. Connally's midline/spine about 12 inches left of JFK's midline/spine. What is the evidence that he was that far left?
A couple of items I have noticed:
1. In z223, the antennae on the left rear of the limo aligns with the outside of JBC's right shoulder from Zapruder's camera angle (~41 degrees).
(https://i.vgy.me/FMtYqB.png)
A line drawn at ~41 degrees on this diagram of the limo puts the outside of JBC's right shoulder to the left of a line that intersects his seat back approximately 5.5" towards the middle, from the right edge of the seat. The diagram also shows an additional 2.5" from the right seat edge to the inside of the limo door. The rear seat, on which JFK was seated, on appears to extend another couple of inches to the inside of the right side of the limo.
(https://i.vgy.me/f6jGNE.png)
In z223, The shadow of what I call the "roll bar" falls on JBC's left shoulder and across his torso at a place and an angle related to his position and angle of rotation.
(https://i.vgy.me/FMtYqB.png)
I had to improvise by using a pen with revised dimensions for the "roll bar" in my 3D exercise. It is placed at a position in which it lines up with the images of it in both photos (z223 and Croft 161). The 3D program allows me to specify the date and time of day for the "photos" that it generates. I specified 11/22/1963 at 12:30 pm. I also oriented the limo to the compass that is part of the 3D program. As you can see, the "roll bar" shadow in my 3D image aligns reasonably close to the actual "roll bar" shadow in z223.
(https://i.vgy.me/2eZheV.gif)
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Are you insinuating that the trail of metal particles in this x-ray are from a wound low in the back of JFK's skull? The EOP. ???
Yes
I'm sorry to hear that but what does that have to do with a shock wave from a 6.5 Carcano round through the neck?
It demonstrates that the skin is elastic.
Part of the skull was surgically removed. hmmmmmm and between different autopsy photos