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Title: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Paul May on June 20, 2019, 12:47:45 AM
The old JFK conspiracy nut loses big time.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/crime-and-courts/2720695-Judge-rules-against-former-UMD-professor-in-Sandy-Hook-case
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 20, 2019, 02:34:26 AM
The old JFK conspiracy nut loses big time.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/crime-and-courts/2720695-Judge-rules-against-former-UMD-professor-in-Sandy-Hook-case

Great news.

Thanks for posting this, Paul.

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Tom Scully on June 20, 2019, 03:08:18 AM
The old JFK conspiracy nut loses big time.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/crime-and-courts/2720695-Judge-rules-against-former-UMD-professor-in-Sandy-Hook-case

Nobody have lost as much as the American people.
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https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/crime-and-courts/2720695-Judge-rules-against-former-UMD-professor-in-Sandy-Hook-case
Crime and Courts
Judge rules against former UMD professor in Sandy Hook case
Written By: Chris Rickert, Wisconsin State Journal | Jun 19th 2019 -
…….
During a four-hour hearing before Circuit Judge Frank Remington, Pozner’s attorney Jacob Zimmerman offered evidence to counter Fetzer’s contention that a death certificate for Noah Pozner, an image of which was reprinted in Fetzer’s book, is a fake.
Among other things, Zimmerman pointed to separate state and local processes for issuing death certificates to explain why a state file number didn’t appear on the document. And he explained the process for listing a time of death on the document, which Fetzer claimed doesn’t match the time of the shooting.

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https://www.vox.com/2019/3/13/18263811/trump-fake-melania-tweet-explained
"I have a birth certificate from Slovenia!.....We feel it is different from a birth certificate..."

It wasn't that long ago Fetzer and Lifton were publicly bickering as to who owed who for the cost of an obsolete laptop.
Fetzer's legal expenses likely will exceed his resources and his victim litigants won't be able to squeeze blood from a stone...
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Denis Pointing on June 20, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
 Fetzer's done more to discredit JFK conspiracy theorists than any LN ever could. Addressed to CTs; Does Fetzer have any credibility left with you guys?
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Bill Chapman on June 20, 2019, 07:51:06 PM
Fetzer's done more to discredit JFK conspiracy theorists than any LN ever could. Addressed to CTs; Does Fetzer have any credibility left with you guys?

Off topic, but years ago I came across an exchange online between Fetzer and another paranoid which had him freaking out about his computer 'spying' on him. What had happened was that his computer had frozen, and all he had was a spinning ball onscreen. Well, that was a Mac simply slowed down probably trying to catch up due possibly to an overloaded hard drive. Kinda like the Windows 'blue screen of death' We MacHeads call the spinning multicoloured ball the 'beachball of death'

But what a poor excuse for a human being is this Fetzer
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Denis Pointing on June 21, 2019, 01:51:06 AM
Off topic, but years ago I came across an exchange online between Fetzer and another paranoid which had him freaking out about his computer 'spying' on him. What had happened was that his computer had frozen, and all he had was a spinning ball onscreen. Well, that was a Mac simply slowed down probably trying to catch up due possibly to an overloaded hard drive. Kinda like the Windows 'blue screen of death' We MacHeads call the spinning multicoloured ball the 'beachball of death'

But what a poor excuse for a human being is this Fetzer

That's a coincidence, Jack White accused someone of exactly the same thing on the ED forum years back, he was another nutcase.
True story; When I first joined the ED, many, many years ago, I'll admit to being more than a little overawed when I saw Jack White was also a member, he was a bit of a star back then and I was a young and very naive CT. I sent Jack a PM saying how honoured I was to be a member of the same forum etc (God, I must have been a brown nose back then, lol) Jack posted back a very nice and polite PM but he included a list of about 20 other members whom he said I should avoid because they were really CIA plants! I was a bit taken aback, to say the least. That was the beginning of a very slippery downward slope between Jack and me, we eventually ended up bitter enemies. Like I said, a compleat nutcase.
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Jerry Organ on June 21, 2019, 02:56:40 AM
That's a coincidence, Jack White accused someone of exactly the same thing on the ED forum years back, he was another nutcase.
True story; When I first joined the ED, many, many years ago, I'll admit to being more than a little overawed when I saw Jack White was also a member, he was a bit of a star back then and I was a young and very naive CT. I sent Jack a PM saying how honoured I was to be a member of the same forum etc (God, I must have been a brown nose back then, lol) Jack posted back a very nice and polite PM but he included a list of about 20 other members whom he said I should avoid because they were really CIA plants! I was a bit taken aback, to say the least. That was the beginning of a very slippery downward slope between Jack and me, we eventually ended up bitter enemies. Like I said, a compleat nutcase.

I'll never forget the time Jack White called me "Agent Orange".
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Tom Scully on June 21, 2019, 04:50:41 AM
I have some familiarity with shot guns, shooting skeet with a 12 gauge on occasion.
I don't announce everything I dismiss as mere coincidence in doing my research and choosing what I  post, seeming truckloads of disappointing queries
that began prompted  by interesting leads reluctantly observed to lead nowhere, do not usually support my posts.

For those unfamiliar with the U.S northeast, it is not what I expect your perceptions of it might be. 90 miles from Manhattan, in the 1990's I was once in a party of six invited to assist in hauling out an adolescent, 300 lbs. black bear, carried by three in front, three in rear by one freshly cut sapling trunk hastily pushed between
the roped together, front and rear paws of the freshly killed bear by a permitted hunter awarded the state issued permit by lottery.

My point is I am familiar with guns and hunting and have always lived in easy driving distance from where metropolitan area gives way to rural.
Yet, I have never seen or held a 20 gauge shot gun, a weapon I imagine is ubiquitous in reaction to noticing Connally's daughter, Kathleen Hale,
George DeMohrenschildt, and Fred Korth's daughter all died reportedly of self inflicted, 20 gauge shot gun injuries.

I traced down Edwin Ekdahl's Roxbury, MA origins and found Ekdahl grew up less than a mile from Col. Lawrence Orloff, companion of DeMohrenschildt who
first suggested making introductions at the Oswald residence.

Maybe many of you are either much better discerners of coincidence or less curious (distracted?) than I.

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http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2012/05/
Saturday, May 12, 2012
Colossal Failure to Research Ekdahl

Who Was Edwin Albert Ekdahl, Stepfather of Lee Harvey Oswald?

The only father figure Lee Oswald ever had was the man pictured below, who appeared on the scene in New Orleans in either late 1942 or the first half of 1943, and disappeared from the Oswalds' life in mid-1948. Yet, Ekdahl has been almost totally ignored as a target of research before now.

Ekdahl's Overlooked Fort Worth Connections

The facts of his marriage to Marguerite Oswald were set out in a divorce petition filed by Edwin A. Ekdahl, signed personally by Fred Korth, whose office was at 812 Neil P. Anderson Building, situated at 411 West Seventh Street in Fort Worth.* Exploring that building's location really gives one a sense of who Ekdahl was during the years Lee Oswald lived in the same house with him. The best way to sense that connection is through Jack White's historic photos.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yC2GCnNecOU/T60FgQlPruI/AAAAAAAABOk/myErel7CRlc/s1600/electricbldg1930_Neil+P+Anderson.jpg)
Ekdahl's office, left; Korth's office, right

Ekdahl's office was nearby in the Texas Electric Service Company (TESCO) Building at 408 West Seventh--the same building which had housed FDR's Works Progress Administration during the depression years leading up to World War II. TESCO used the advertising agency, Witherspoon and Associates, where photographer Jack White was a vice president. White, intriguingly, served as a consultant to the HSCA concerning photo analysis and enhancement and has been an unabashed defender of the work of John Armstrong, author of the book Harvey and Lee, inspired by White's prior photographic work on Oswald. According to Dave Perry, White and Armstrong had in fact worked together "scrutinizing" Marguerite's files. White, at least, should have known, if he did not in fact know, that Oswald's stepfather, Edwin Ekdahl, had worked for one of Witherspoon's most important clients, the Texas Electric Service Company, located across the street for Fred Korth's office when Korth represented Ekdahl in his divorce from Marguerite.....

Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Denis Pointing on June 21, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
Tom, it was mentioned in your previous post that Jack White "served as a consultant to the HSCA concerning photo analysis and enhancement" What wasn't mentioned was White made a compleat ass of himself;   Mr. GOLDSMITH. Mr. White, I just have one question.
Mr. WHITE. All right.
Mr. GOLDSMITH. When you did this study, did you compute photogrammetrically the effect of tilt on the way that the length of an
object appears in a photograph?
Mr. WHITE. I conducted a study by photographing a yardstick
from three different--
Mr. GOLDSMITH. Mr. White, answer my question. Did you compute photogrammetrically--
Mr. WHITE. What is "photogrammetrically"? Describe to me
what "photogrammetrically" is .
Mr. GOLDSMITH. I just have one more question Mr. White. Do you
know what photogrammetry is?
Mr. WHITE. No.
Mr. GOLDSMITH. I have no further questions . Thank you.
                                                     
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Duncan MacRae on June 21, 2019, 04:22:20 PM
Jack and I used to exchange messages regularly back in the day, and on very friendly terms.
We used to message back and forth via email, until one day, he disagreed with an analysis I had completed on a section of a photograph taken in Dealey Plaza.
He went all moody on me, saying that I shouldn't be analysing photographs of Dealey Plaza, as I had never been to Dealey Plaza.
I replied by asking him when he was going back to the Moon.
He never spoke to me again.  :D
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Denis Pointing on June 21, 2019, 05:15:41 PM
Jack and I used to exchange messages regularly back in the day, and on very friendly terms.
We used to message back and forth via email, until one day, he disagreed with an analysis I had completed on a section of a photograph taken in Dealey plaza.
He went all moody on me, saying that I shouldn't be analysing photographs of Dealey Plaza, as I had never been to Dealey Plaza.
I replied by asking him when he was going back to the Moon.
He never spoke to me again.  :D

What was the name of that forum ran by.. Delrosa was it?... Some name like that, guy was from Tampa, he was so far up Jack's backside that if you argued with him he'd ban you!! I was trying to remember the forums name just the other day. Yeah, I got banned. LOL
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Denis Pointing on June 21, 2019, 05:44:23 PM
YEAH, THAT WAS IT..well done, ole boy.   :D Delrosa..whatever his name, he's dead now, isn't he.
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Tom Scully on June 22, 2019, 06:40:04 PM
DiEugenio and Mellen have it wrong. Garrison deceived Mellen and Sklar. I have presented the proof meticulously supporting that conclusion, multiple times.

Baldwin was warning Shaw his prosecution by Garrison was a secret family matter of the Baldwin Ziegler Garrison Lemann family.
Baldwin's CIA buddy, Jesse Core (both hired by Shaw) was urging the opposite...telling Garrison through Willard  Robertson, to go on the offensive
against Shaw at the same time Baldwin was advising Shaw of his family ties to Garrison's wife.:

June 30, 1967:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/GarrisonJessCoreVsShawAndBaldwin.jpg)

(http://jfkforum.com/images/BaldwinLyonsSternWDSU.jpg)
http://phw01.newsbank.com/cache/ean/fullsize/pl_003162016_1909_30400_624.pdf
Dallas Catholic Group Aids Cuban Refugees
Date: Saturday, March 31, 1962 Paper: Dallas Morning News
http://phw01.newsbank.com/cache/ean/fullsize/pl_003162016_1909_30400_624.pdf
Dallas Catholic Group Aids Cuban Refugees
Date: Saturday, March 31, 1962 Paper: Dallas Morning News
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UmonWxF1s_0/VunrqoxI0RI/AAAAAAAADTQ/fXVf7zuWF1Qv-PXgulcbsFaUqjsZibZvgCCo/s512-Ic42/MachannOrdination_2of2.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gljaiDmT8fE/Vunrxvb_0ZI/AAAAAAAADTI/YLD_mbdUsRkE8EDI-d_gBMn4blTNqX8VwCCo/s512-Ic42/LemannMentalHealth042364.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iqSsbVnCyuY/VunrPn_XVHI/AAAAAAAADS4/uUGdOF8zSPog_XJPZ5JJJ0HRhos7kRaAACCo/s512-Ic42/FatherMachannLemann072265.jpg)

Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Paul May on June 23, 2019, 05:04:13 PM
I notice many comments about Jack White in this thread.  Jack truly did embarrass himself before the HSCA. His lack of knowledge about the photographic sciences was astounding.  And yet, until Jack’s death, Fetzer referred to White as a “leading photographic expert” on the JFK event. Not unlike Groden who was undressed at the OJ civil trial.
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Jerry Organ on June 23, 2019, 06:53:01 PM
I notice many comments about Jack White in this thread.  Jack truly did embarrass himself before the HSCA. His lack of knowledge about the photographic sciences was astounding.  And yet, until Jack’s death, Fetzer referred to White as a “leading photographic expert” on the JFK event. Not unlike Groden who was undressed at the OJ civil trial.

Jack White had an uncanny eye for something he felt was amiss in the photographic evidence. The problem was he had limited skills to evaluate his own claims. But as he more-or-less said, he was only asking questions and it was up to others to resolve it.

One of White's claims could be contained in a sentence, but disproving (the usual outcome) it could take years of experiments and back-and-forth debate. One claim that White actually investigated was the Moorman-on-the-grass claim for the 2000 book "Murder in Dealey Plaza".

(http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/moorman/4Moorman_20in_20grass_20fina_2390243.jpg)

His claim was that Moorman would have to be on the street (she is "off the curb in Bronson" per White) to account for the line-of-sight in her photo. White essentially claimed a corner of the Zapruder pedestal would have to align with the corner of a window in the background. The only place White could get the alignment was when he duplicated Moorman's lens height as if she were standing in the street. But others ( Link to two-part article (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/moorman1.htm) ) found the window corner alignment was not in the Moorman photo to begin with, and that standing on the grass as she is in Zapruder matches the line-of-sight in her photograph.

(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_digitalcollections11.jpg)  (https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/_/rsrc/1535998814223/dealeyplaza/king-dealey-plaza-01.jpg)
Moorman's feet are not seen on the grass in Bronson because of the curvature of the lawn towards the curb. Probably sloped for rain drainage.
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Thomas Graves on June 23, 2019, 08:12:50 PM
One claim that Jack White actually investigated was the Moorman-on-the-grass claim for the 2000 book "Murder in Dealey Plaza".

(http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/moorman/4Moorman_20in_20grass_20fina_2390243.jpg)

His claim was that Moorman would have to be on the street (she is "off the curb in Bronson" per White) to account for the line-of-sight in her photo. White essentially claimed a corner of the Zapruder pedestal would have to align with the corner of a window in the background. The only place White could get the alignment was when he duplicated Moorman's lens height as if she were standing in the street. But others ( Link to two-part article (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/moorman1.htm) ) found the window corner alignment was not in the Moorman photo to begin with, and that standing on the grass as she is in Zapruder matches the line-of-sight in her photograph.

(https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_digitalcollections11.jpg)  (https://sites.google.com/site/shotonelmclassicsiteview/_/rsrc/1535998814223/dealeyplaza/king-dealey-plaza-01.jpg)
Moorman's feet are not seen on the grass in Bronson because of the curvature of the lawn towards the curb. Probably sloped for rain drainage.

If Moorman had been standing in the street, she would have looked a lot shorter than the woman standing on the grass.

D'oh

-- MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Jerry Organ on June 23, 2019, 11:38:32 PM
If Moorman had been standing in the street, she would have looked a lot shorter than the woman standing on the grass.

D'oh

-- MWT  ;)

White claimed his line-of-sight analysis "proved" both Jean Hill and Moorman had to be standing on the roadbed. Since the Zapruder film showed the women standing on the grass, it was added proof to him that the Zapruder film was altered.

I guess photography is not a demanding art in Texas. Anybody can do anything is their dogma. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney can be two-term White House executives.
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Paul May on June 24, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
Reminds me of when the critics would defend what Garrison did to Shaw, or justify Robert Groden selling an autopsy photo of the President to be published on the front of a national tabloid.

Fetzer’s anti-Semitic rants were legendary as one of the editors at Veterans Today. Not surprising he blamed The Mossad for Sandy Hook.  A despicable human being.
Title: Re: Nutty Professor Fetzer loses again
Post by: Frederick Clements on June 29, 2019, 03:26:39 PM

Fetzer gives researchers a bad name. People like him, Cinque are quite a crazy bunch.

Fred