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Title: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on March 23, 2019, 03:38:50 AM

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Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Michael O'Brian on March 25, 2019, 12:11:30 AM
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She looks great
Yep he is innocent without a doubt, and it's well she knows it too.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on March 25, 2019, 06:10:51 AM
Now? When do you think that footage was taken, Chapman?  :D
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on March 25, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
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Now? When do you think that footage was taken, Chapman?  :D

After Marina had changed her mind

Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on March 25, 2019, 07:59:16 PM
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She looks great
Yep he is innocent without a doubt, and it's well she knows it too.

Name your shooter

Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Anthony Clayden on April 01, 2019, 09:14:38 PM
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Name your shooter

JED....QED.


Now prove JED wasn't the shooter.
Why the closest person without an alibi, with unimpeded access to the shooter's nest, whose testimony is unbelievable, had military training, and was "emotionally" unstable is not a reasonable suspect?

As opposed to LHO, who was found several floors from the shooter's nest, having a path that it is now impossible to prove was actually clear from him to traverse. The DPD\WC could have pursued the witnesses between the 6th and 2nd and confirmed it was clear but appears to have decided not to.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 03, 2019, 03:00:30 AM
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JED....QED.
OK I give up- who is that? Or is that an April Fool joke on BC being [of course] the F?
                     (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif)


 
 
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 03, 2019, 03:06:46 AM
This clip was done about 7 years ago....

Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 03, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
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OK I give up- who is that?

Jack Dougherty.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Anthony Clayden on April 03, 2019, 09:30:20 PM
As John I said..

JED is Jack Edwin Dougherty.

Only one person fits the following, "the closest person without an alibi, with unimpeded access to the shooter's nest, whose testimony is unbelievable, had military training, and was "emotionally" unstable"
He reported being at the back of the 5th/6th floor, but is not seen by Bonnie Ray Williams (BRW) as he traverses from right next to the shooters nest to the front of the 5th, about 2 to 3 minutes before the shooting. Nor does he see Oswald flight.
Reports using the lift done to the first floor, but the conversation he claims he had with Eddie Piper, Piper can't remember.
His out of character action of returning to work early, his laughable reason for not watching the parade (clearly didn't remember windows existed).
If Oswald had have reported hearing a noise, travelled all the way to the first floor, been told that the President was shot, then went back to work by himself, LNers would take it as clear evidence that he was the shooter.


QED is Quod Erat Domenstrandum
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 03, 2019, 09:34:51 PM
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Name your shooter

JED....QED.

Response from Chapman:

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Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Alan Ford on April 03, 2019, 10:05:58 PM
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As John I said..

JED is Jack Edwin Dougherty.

Only one person fits the following, "the closest person without an alibi, with unimpeded access to the shooter's nest, whose testimony is unbelievable, had military training, and was "emotionally" unstable"
He reported being at the back of the 5th/6th floor, but is not seen by Bonnie Ray Williams (BRW) as he traverses from right next to the shooters nest to the front of the 5th, about 2 to 3 minutes before the shooting. Nor does he see Oswald flight.
Reports using the lift done to the first floor, but the conversation he claims he had with Eddie Piper, Piper can't remember.
His out of character action of returning to work early, his laughable reason for not watching the parade (clearly didn't remember windows existed).
If Oswald had have reported hearing a noise, travelled all the way to the first floor, been told that the President was shot, then went back to work by himself, LNers would take it as clear evidence that he was the shooter.


QED is Quod Erat Domenstrandum

I don't believe Mr Dougherty was a shooter, but I sure would like to see a contemporary photograph of him...

The best we have is white male, 40---------and Mr Truly's description of him as "a great big husky fellow".

Mr Clayden, do you believe Mr Dougherty feigned incomprehension and confusion during his testimony before the Warren Commission?
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Alan Ford on April 03, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Cf!

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Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 04, 2019, 12:52:11 AM
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I don't believe Mr Dougherty was a shooter, but I sure would like to see a contemporary photograph of him...

The best we have is white male, 40---------and Mr Truly's description of him as "a great big husky fellow".

Mr Clayden, do you believe Mr Dougherty feigned incomprehension and confusion during his testimony before the Warren Commission?

Nor does he see Oswald flight.

That's easily explainable.... There was no "Oswald flight".  Lee was on the first floor at the time the President passed by the TSBD.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 04, 2019, 10:16:07 PM
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I don't believe Mr Dougherty was a shooter, but I sure would like to see a contemporary photograph of him...

The best we have is white male, 40---------and Mr Truly's description of him as "a great big husky fellow".

Mr Clayden, do you believe Mr Dougherty feigned incomprehension and confusion during his testimony before the Warren Commission?

Perhaps Duncan will post the photo ( video clip) of a "big husky fellow" who was on the sixth floor and very near the location where the rifle was discovered.

I believe the video was taken BEFORE the rifle was discovered......
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Alan Ford on April 04, 2019, 10:23:49 PM
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Perhaps Duncan will post the photo ( video clip) of a "big husky fellow" who was on the sixth floor and very near the location where the rifle was discovered.

I believe the video was taken BEFORE the rifle was discovered......

That was Mr Lovelady!
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 04, 2019, 11:13:59 PM
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Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 05, 2019, 12:22:02 AM
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(https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/l1.gif)

Thank you John.....And ....Alan, that is NOT Lovelady

The detective talking to Fritz is Gerald Hill.......

The camera is pointed north in the NW corner of the 6th floor....The west elevator gate is visible and the window in the north wall is also visible....

I'm having a problem trying to place the boxes by comparing with the DP photos in 1st Day Evidence.....I believe the boxes are the tall stack of boxes that were stacked  near the top of the stairs about four feet west of the NW pillar.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 05, 2019, 01:03:53 AM
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(https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/l1.gif)

The image from Groden's enlargement could possibly be the same big man who is standing by the tall stack of book boxes in the video....

(https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/l1.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/O0LXbdL.jpg)
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 05, 2019, 01:43:42 AM
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JED....QED.


Response from Chapman:

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What... no backstory, Mr. Iacoletti?
Too soon, I guess...
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 05, 2019, 03:33:37 PM
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The image from Groden's enlargement could possibly be the same big man who is standing by the tall stack of book boxes in the video....
(https://i.imgur.com/O0LXbdL.jpg)
(https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/l1.gif)
(http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/15/59/98545915/photos/undefined/DoughertyPossibly-SunsetHS-SophomoreCollage+LONG-FRONTAL-1941+JDCompanyD-1940+Decker&DoughertyInFrontOfTSBD+Skaggs16DoughertyHeadCrop---PENTAPTYCH.png)

Above is a picture of Jack Dougherty in Army uniform ...  Who can post that picture beside the video clip of Hill talking to Fritz?   Stop action at about the same pose as the Army picture....
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 06, 2019, 01:35:56 AM
With respect to Linda Zambanini, none of those yearbook photos are captioned.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 06, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
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With respect to Linda Zambanini, none of those yearbook photos are captioned.

Surely there is someone who can verify the year book......
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Walt Cakebread on April 07, 2019, 11:18:29 PM
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Surely there is someone who can verify the year book......

Maybe Jerry Freeman??
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 08, 2019, 01:14:55 AM
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She looks great
Yep he is innocent without a doubt, and it's well she knows it too.

My point is misleading it seems. I didn't mean her looks; I meant the fact that she switched from first believing Oswald guilty, to innocent in later years. The discussion should be about whether or not she might have been directly influenced by those with a vested interest in persuading her to modify her opinion.

Sorry about that, but until now I just took an 'oh, well' attitude (when I found no one addressing my intended point AFAIR) since these threads often veer off topic eventually.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 08, 2019, 05:21:15 AM
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My point is misleading it seems. I didn't mean her looks; I meant the fact that she switched from first believing Oswald guilty, to innocent in later years. The discussion should be about whether or not she might have been directly influenced by those with a vested interest in persuading her to modify her opinion.

Or perhaps she was originally influenced by those with the power to deport her.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Jack Trojan on April 08, 2019, 05:38:51 AM
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Or perhaps she was originally influenced by those with the power to deport her.

Exactly. Marina was blatantly lying about how many BY photos she took.  While she's still alive someone needs to interview her and ask whether any men in suits came by and took any of those pictures that she obviously didn't. Plus what kind of pressure they put on her to clam up.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 08, 2019, 05:49:10 AM
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Or perhaps she was originally influenced by those with the power to deport her.

Seems they forgot to extend that influence.
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 08, 2019, 08:16:06 PM
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Seems they forgot to extend that influence.

She's a citizen now.  Or is that yet another thing you didn't know?
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 08, 2019, 08:34:16 PM
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She's a citizen now.  Or is that yet another thing you didn't know?

She didn't retract her testimony
Strings...?

Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: John Iacoletti on April 08, 2019, 09:06:57 PM
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She didn't retract her testimony
Strings...?

Did you watch the video you posted in the OP?
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Bill Chapman on April 08, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
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Did you watch the video you posted in the OP?

Can't wait for her presser
Front page news for sure
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Rob Caprio on April 08, 2019, 11:19:18 PM
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I don't believe Mr Dougherty was a shooter, but I sure would like to see a contemporary photograph of him...

The best we have is white male, 40---------and Mr Truly's description of him as "a great big husky fellow".

Mr Clayden, do you believe Mr Dougherty feigned incomprehension and confusion during his testimony before the Warren Commission?

We may never know for sure but Dougherty was discharged from the military for medical reasons. His father told the FBI that he "had considerable difficulty in coordinating his mental faculties with his speech." Jack Dougherty told the WC that the FBI misquoted him in his affidavit as he never said the noise that he heard (a gun shot) came from the floor above him (6th floor). He had said it sounded like a backfire from outside.

Dougherty's father was at the affidavit, but the WC never questioned him. Why?
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 08, 2019, 11:25:31 PM
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Did you watch the video you posted in the OP?
Apparently he didn't.      (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif) 
Title: Re: Marina: How Do You Like Her Now?
Post by: Jerry Freeman on April 09, 2019, 01:57:22 AM
Rachel Oswald Porter, daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald spoke on her feelings about her real father. Rachel is about 56 now. 
This interview when she was 28 starts @ 5:40 but pay attention to 9:00 onward