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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Oscar Navarro on February 16, 2019, 07:46:54 PM
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The Presidents Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy was established by Executive Order NO. 11130 on November 29, 1963. Senate Joint Resolution 137 (Public Law 88-102) empowered the commission to issue subpoenas. The CJUS, two senators, two congressmen, and two private citizens made up the Presidents Commission. J. Lee Rankin was selected as Chief Counsel after the first nominee was rejected by the Commission members as being to close to CJ Warren. This rejection gave notice to Warren that the commission was not to be a rubber stamp for the leaders wishes (although Commission Members did yield to Warren's unfortunate decision not to make the autopsy photos and X--Ray's available to the Commission thus yielding to Warren's over sensitive feelings for the former POTUS). J. Lee Rankin was a former assistant attorney general and the Solicitor General of the United States during the Eisenhower Administration before moving to private practice January, 1961
The Commission was made up of 14 Assistant Counsel and 12 named staff members plus additional personnel were hired to perform specialized functions, such as for the writing of the report.
The Assistant Counsel;
Francis W. H. Adams, (Satterlee, Warfield, & Stephens private law firm based in NYC and D.C)
Joseph A. Ball, (Ball, Hunt & Hart private law firm based in Long Beach and Santa Ana, CA)
David W. Belin, (Herrick, Langdon, Sandblom & Belin, private law firm based in Des Moines, Iowa)
William T. Coleman, Jr., (Dilworth, Paxon, Kalish, Kohn & Dilks private law firm based in Philadelphia)
Melvin Aron Eisenberg, (Kaye, Scholer, Fierman, Hays & Handler private law firm based in NYC)
Burt W. Griffin, (MacDonald, Hopkins, & Hardy private law firm based in Cleveland, OH)
Leon D. Hubert, Jr., (Hubert, Bladwin & Zibilich private law firm in NO, Louisiana)
Albert E. Jenner, Jr., (Raymond, Meyer, Jenner & Block private law firm based in Chicago)
Wesley L. Liebeler, (Carter, Ledyard & Milburn private law firm based in NYC)
Norman Redlich, (Professor of Law, NYU)
W. David Slawson, (Davis, Graham & Stubbs private law firm based in Denver, CO)
Arlen Specter, (assistant Philadelphia district attorney and private law firm of Specter & Katz, Philadelphia, PA)
Samuel A. Stern, (Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering private law firm based in D. C)
Howard P. Willens, (Second Assistant, Criminal Division USDJ)
Of the 14 Assistant Counsel selected to conduct the overwhelming majority of witness interrogation and selection of witnesses 12 came directly from private practice, one a law professor and one, Willens, was the only associate member who worked for the federal government prior to being selected. It was these guys who collected and analyzed the reports submitted by various agencies of the federal, state and local government for the purpose of determining the value and truthfulness of witnesses. When expert witnesses were called the associate members in whose area the testimony fell had the responsibility to become very familiar with the subject. Whenever you see an FBI report of any type of investigation dated after the initial FBI investigation report was submitted it was thanks to the associate members insistence that such investigations were conducted. These guys weren't forced to take pay cuts, time away from their family, perform long hours of exhausting work in cramped quarters just to rubber stamp what is presented by many as just a forgone conclusion. They had doubts, their own agendas, their own theories and they certainly didn't have any obligations to the commission or the federal government that would require them to be in a position that their jobs and careers were on the line unless orders were strictly followed. They were there to perform their duty as they saw fit and were free to leave and not be held accountable, as some did.
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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:
Norman Redlich. Redlich was a committed civil libertarian, a strong leftist in his politics (he was a vocal critic of Joe McCarthy when it wasn't easy to do), a life long opponent of the death penalty, and a supporter of Civil Rights from the start. And not a fan of Hoover's either (the two reportedly detested one another). There is no one who could argue with any sense of logic that he would join with "right wing" or "militarist" elements to coverup for the murder of JFK.
Redlich was the main author of the WC Report. He personally wrote the first six chapters including the critical chapter detailing the actual shooting. If - again if - one believes the Warren Report was a lie from start to end then you'd have to say that Redlich was a key part in producing this lie.
John Hart Ely. Ely was not an important staffer in the investigation but he did play a role in investigating Oswald's background including his childhood. It's safe to say he found no evidence of "two Oswalds". Later he went on to become one of the most influential constitutional scholars of modern times and is among the widely quoted experts on the Constitution.
I find it completely implausible that these two men would cover up for the murder of the president.
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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:
Norman Redlich. Redlich was a committed civil libertarian, a strong leftist in his politics (he was a vocal critic of Joe McCarthy when it wasn't easy to do), a life long opponent of the death penalty, and a supporter of Civil Rights from the start. And not a fan of Hoover's either (the two reportedly detested one another). There is no one who could argue with any sense of logic that he would join with "right wing" or "militarist" elements to coverup for the murder of JFK.
Redlich was the main author of the WC Report. He personally wrote the first six chapters including the critical chapter detailing the actual shooting. If - again if - one believes the Warren Report was a lie from start to end then you'd have to say that Redlich was a key part in producing this lie.
John Hart Ely. Ely was not an important staffer in the investigation but he did play a role in investigating Oswald's background including his childhood. It's safe to say he found no evidence of "two Oswalds". Later he went on to become one of the most influential constitutional scholars of modern times and is among the widely quoted experts on the Constitution.
I find it completely implausible that these two men would cover up for the murder of the president.
If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect.
Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?
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If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect.
Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?
Agreed. But you know the response by the conspiracy advocates: they were intimidated or frightened into covering things up. Or Hoover had dirt on them. Or they were paid off. Or all of the above.
Is there evidence for any of this? No, but that's because these groups were so powerful they hid everything. The absence of evidence for this is itself the evidence. Up is down and down is up and nothing is something.
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@Newbies
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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:
Norman Redlich. Redlich was a committed civil libertarian, a strong leftist in his politics (he was a vocal critic of Joe McCarthy when it wasn't easy to do), a life long opponent of the death penalty, and a supporter of Civil Rights from the start. And not a fan of Hoover's either (the two reportedly detested one another). There is no one who could argue with any sense of logic that he would join with "right wing" or "militarist" elements to coverup for the murder of JFK.
Redlich was the main author of the WC Report. He personally wrote the first six chapters including the critical chapter detailing the actual shooting. If - again if - one believes the Warren Report was a lie from start to end then you'd have to say that Redlich was a key part in producing this lie.
John Hart Ely. Ely was not an important staffer in the investigation but he did play a role in investigating Oswald's background including his childhood. It's safe to say he found no evidence of "two Oswalds". Later he went on to become one of the most influential constitutional scholars of modern times and is among the widely quoted experts on the Constitution.
I find it completely implausible that these two men would cover up for the murder of the president.
Thank you, Steve. Redlich was an interesting character indeed. Too summarize in general an interesting episode, Gerald Ford had brought up the idea that ideologs from either the right or left shouldn't make up any members of the counsel. An influential member of Ford's Michigan House District brought it to Ford's attention that Redlich had been the co--author of an article in a leftist magazine or publication that went too far left and Ford almost had Redlich removed but was outvoted by the majority of the other commissioners. It turned out that Redlich's name had been added without his knowledge and he was not one of the authors. I'm writing this from memory from the book A Cruel and Shocking Act that I read years ago so don't quote me for exactness :)
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If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect.
Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?
I think that was Burt Griffin. He wasn't too fond of the FBI either.
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Thank you, Steve. Redlich was an interesting character indeed. Too summarize in general an interesting episode, Gerald Ford had brought up the idea that ideologs from either the right or left shouldn't make up any members of the counsel. An influential member of Ford's Michigan House District brought it to Ford's attention that Redlich had been the co--author of an article in a leftist magazine or publication that went too far left and Ford almost had Redlich removed but was outvoted by the majority of the other commissioners. It turned out that Redlich's name had been added without his knowledge and he was not one of the authors. I'm writing this from memory from the book A Cruel and Shocking Act that I read years ago so don't quote me for exactness :)
Yes, I'm familiar with that controversy too. Ford did indeed, at least from what I read in the same account you mentioned, apparently try to get him removed. Redlich was, well, he was a leftwinger and not a liberal. He thought the Rosenbergs and Hiss were innocent. Or at least they shouldn't have been given the death penalty (which he opposed throughout his life). As to Hiss's innocence: What was he thinking?
Re Shenon's book: it's a pretty good overview of how the WC was formed and worked.
These were honorable men in a difficult situation. Sure, legitimate criticism of the investigation can be made; it was a product made by humans: what do people make that is perfect? But the claims that they deliberately covered things up is simply not, for me, true.
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But weren't all these lawyers dependent on the FBI as their investigators?
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But weren't all these lawyers dependent on the FBI as their investigators?
Yes ....Of course all these lawyers were dependent on Hoover's gang as their investigators... Could there have been any doubt what the conclusion would be?
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The Commission was made up of 14 Assistant Counsel and 12 named staff members plus additional personnel were hired to perform specialized functions, such as for the writing of the report.
The Assistant Counsel;
Francis W. H. Adams, (Satterlee, Warfield, & Stephens private law firm based in NYC and D.C)
Joseph A. Ball, (Ball, Hunt & Hart private law firm based in Long Beach and Santa Ana, CA)
David W. Belin, (Herrick, Langdon, Sandblom & Belin, private law firm based in Des Moines, Iowa)
William T. Coleman, Jr., (Dilworth, Paxon, Kalish, Kohn & Dilks private law firm based in Philadelphia)
Melvin Aron Eisenberg, (Kaye, Scholer, Fierman, Hays & Handler private law firm based in NYC)
Burt W. Griffin, (MacDonald, Hopkins, & Hardy private law firm based in Cleveland, OH)
Leon D. Hubert, Jr., (Hubert, Bladwin & Zibilich private law firm in NO, Louisiana)
Edward Baldwin, Hubert's law partner, was brother of CIA covert agent and Clay Shaw hire, David Baldwin.
Robert Zibilich was a friend of the Baldwins and married their sister....
Obit of Garrison's wife's aunt, who was the mother of David and Edward Baldwin and of Mrs. Robert Zibilich:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PpesMhiogSI/VqsZ78lCioI/AAAAAAAACik/x4hyz6nYsvc/s512-Ic42/AdeleZieglerBaldwinRaworthObit031078.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Vr2qGVejVHc/VstvpJvK5aI/AAAAAAAAC7M/-jH-WpEYfNA/s512-Ic42/ZibilichBaldwinHubert.jpg)
(http://jfkforum.com/images/ZibilichGarrison1962.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I0fOC0wTbxI/VstoWqf9-BI/AAAAAAAAC6Y/6GuTc8lhHvc/s512-Ic42/BaldwinZibilichBethell.jpg)
Albert E. Jenner, Jr., (Raymond, Meyer, Jenner & Block private law firm based in Chicago)
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/12/07/magazine/the-ordeal-of-lester-crown.html
THE ORDEAL OF LESTER CROWN
BY BOB TAMARKINDEC. 7, 1986
...The family turned to Albert E. Jenner Jr., a lawyer and longtime friend who is on the board of General Dynamics. ''Whenever the kids got into trouble,'' Jenner says, ''they never bothered the old man. They talked to me, and I got them out of trouble.'' In return for his cooperation with the grand jury, Lester Crown was granted immunity from prosecution...
1946:
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JFKdrewPearsonCrownHiltonHighPlaces.jpg)
1956: Tom Clark appoints the son of Henry Crown.:
Law Clerks - The Papers of Justice Tom C. Clark - Tarlton Law Library ...
https://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/clark/clerks
Aug 24, 2018 - 1956-57, Harry L. Hobson; John J. Crown, 1966-67, Stuart Philip Ross; Marshall Groce. 1957-58, Robert Gorman; William D. Powell ...
Wesley L. Liebeler, (Carter, Ledyard & Milburn private law firm based in NYC)
Norman Redlich, (Professor of Law, NYU)
W. David Slawson, (Davis, Graham & Stubbs private law firm based in Denver, CO)
Arlen Specter, (assistant Philadelphia district attorney and private law firm of Specter & Katz, Philadelphia, PA)
Samuel A. Stern, (Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering private law firm based in D. C)
Howard P. Willens, (Second Assistant, Criminal Division USDJ) (In 1958, Willens's father, Joseph, put himself and his
wife in harms way by buying and moving into the River Forest. IL residence next door to the residence of Anthony Accardo.
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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:
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At least two names jumped out at me, too.....
Earl Warren and his family; moths who danced a bit close to the flame....?
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JFKcrownHiltonWarrenAirliner.jpg)
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Conrad+Hilton+came+in+with+Virginia+Warren
The silver spade: the Conrad Hilton story - Page xx
by Whitney Bolton - 1954 - 230 pages
"... he attended the opening of the Supreme Court, escorting Virginia Warren, daughter of the Chief Justice Earl Warren. Hilton is an old friend of Warren...."
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=crown+QUITE+INEXPLICABLY+Virginia+Warren
The Empire State Building: The Making of a Landmark - Page 347
by John Tauranac - Travel - 1995 - 384 pages
Escorted by Colonel Crown and his wife, the couple was introduced to the Empire
... and, quite inexplicably, to Miss Virginia Warren, daughter of Chief ...
"...The building got it's money's worth in free publicity. The
queen said the view was "the most beautiful thing" she had ever
seen. She and Prince Philip were then guests at a reception in
the executive lounge. Escorted by Colonel (Henry) Crown and
his wife, the couple was introduced to the Empire State Building
directors and their wives, and QUITE INEXPLICABLY, to MISS VIRGINIA WARREN,
daughter of Chief Justice Earl Warren..."
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Conrad+Hilton+came+in+with+Virginia+Warren
Saturday Review
by Bernard Augustine De Voto - American literature - 1958
Page 34
Conrad Hilton came in with Virginia Warren, daughter of the Chief Justice of the
United States, on his arm. And later, limbo dancers from Trinidad showed ...
Pleasure Island: Tourism and Temptation in Cuba - Page 191
by Rosalie Schwartz - History - 1997 - 247 pages
Conrad Hilton brought his own bodyguard, as did Virginia Warren, daughter of the
US chief justice. A trio of uniformed guards accompanied the Hollywood ..
Garrison is named in his wife's father's obit, as is Mrs. Harry Raworth, mother of Liz Garrison first cousins, David and Edward Baldwin
and Elizabeth Baldwin Zibilich.:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Kre582h1clA/Vrfm1sEbqMI/AAAAAAAACv8/qgQDKDHU9zo/s512-Ic42/HaroldZieglerObit072768.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DkxgihkiwZE/VrOGE1t6bPI/AAAAAAAACqg/lEgQeFpGVpM/s512-Ic42/GarrisonsEstrangedWife.jpg)
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But weren't all these lawyers dependent on the FBI as their investigators?
For the most part, yes. After all it is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They also relied on the Secret Service, Dept. of the Treasury, State Dept., C.I.A, Army and Navy Intelligence, other federal agencies and experts in various fields not associated with federal agencies, Dallas Police, Mexican Federal Police and Customs and Immigration, witness testimony, and their own acquired expertise in the area assigned to each associate counsel to arrive at a conclusion that was supported by a more independent investigation by the HSCA, with the exception of the soon discredited fourth gunman in the Grassy Knoll that missed.
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Yes ....Of course all these lawyers were dependent on Hoover's gang as their investigators... Could there have been any doubt what the conclusion would be?
??.Considering that the preponderance of the evidence supported the WC conclusions.
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To Tom Scully...how much of a role did Leon D. Hubert play in the investigation. Once you acknowledge that the answer is minimal at best perhaps this 10th degree of separation guilt by association nonsense can be toned down a bit.....perhaps ::)
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To Tom Scully...how much of a role did Leon D. Hubert play in the investigation. Once you acknowledge that the answer is minimal at best perhaps this 10th degree of separation guilt by association nonsense can be toned down a bit.....perhaps ::)
Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed up Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
Your opinions fly in the face of the facts I share with you...
Murray Chotiner, Nixon Mentor, Dies - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/01/31/archives/murray-chotiner-nixon-mentor-dies-campaign-aide-since-46-and.html
Jan 31, 1974 - Chotiner, Murray M. ... man, associated primarily with Earl Warren, later Governor of California and afterward Chief Justice of the United States.
My point is plain....you cannot, based on the verifiable evidence and the conflicts of interests of the WC appointees,
make the conclusions you present. That is my primary conclusion about the case, because I am committed to avoid
cherry picking the evidence, because I am not qualified to weigh the contradictions. You seem to think you are qualified,
but I present in a manner indicating I might be better informed than you are.
You seem more certain the WC essentially "got it right" than WC Asst Counsel Albert Jenner.....
BTW, was not mobbed up Albert Jenner assigned (by Howard Willens) to investigate whether Oswald was associated with
organized crime or other conspirators?
..His chapter of the report was called: "Oswald's Background History, Acquaintances and Motives."..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=albert+jenner+conspiracy&sa=N&tbs=nws:1,ar:1#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A1964%2Ccd_max%3A1966%2Cbks%3A1&q=coincidences+made+it+seem+most+likely+that+the+assassination+of&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=albert+jenner+conspiracy&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=80f78c692ae3c498 (https://www.google.com/search?q=In+his+address,+Mr.+Jenner+stated+that+a+series+of+extraordinary+coincidences&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj465yNosbgAhWPneAKHRS6BTEQ_AUIFCgB&biw=1216&bih=592)
Federal bar news: Volume 13
Federal Bar Association - 1966 -
In his address, Mr. Jenner stated that a series of extraordinary coincidences made it seem most likely that the assassination of President Kennedy was the work of one man ? Lee Harvey Oswald. "After months of intensive research, the reading of some 40000 pages of material assembled by units of the federal government, and the questioning of scores of persons, including Oswald's wife, we came to the conclusion that there was no conspiracy, either domestic or foreign," Jenner said...
Oscar, Mr. Trump has certainly made it aquaint notion, but in 1964, avoidance of even the appearance of impropriety was an
expectation of the American public, especially after the DPD had failed to keep the accused assassin alive, in their own HQ....
Did not Accardo and succeed Ricca and Joseph Willens succeed Varelli as next door neighbor of the reigning River Forest, IL,
capo di tutti cappi?
Encyclopedia of World Crime (https://www.google.com/search?q=varelli,+identified+in+1963+by+the+Senate+rackets+committee+as+a+member+of+%27the+inner+Mafia+circle&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidp7jOp8bgAhVog-AKHdUDB40Q_AUIFCgB&biw=1216&bih=592)
...Varelli, identified in 1963 by the Senate rackets committee as a member of 'the inner Mafia circle on the west side, is closely associated with the gang of loan sharks and gam- headed by Fiore [Fifi] Buccieri.
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/376219098/
March 12, 1966
Chicago Tribune from Chicago, Illinois ? pg 2 5 Indicted Linked with Three Top Hoods
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Detectives offer as evidence of Varelli's stature in the mob the fact that he is a next door neighbor of Paul [The Waiter] Ricca, elder statesman of the Chicago Mafia.
Varelli was placed on proba- tion for two years in 1943 on a burglary charge.......
http://mobstersinthenews.blogspot.com/2014/09/mob-linked-river-forest-home-up-for-sale.html
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As the story goes, Willens was friends with Accardo, who rose in the ranks of the Chicago Outfit and greatly expanded the gang?s reach from a period the late 1940s until his death in 1992.
?The horseshoe-shaped table in the windowless basement of 935 Franklin,? a sales packet for the house says, ?is where Tony Accardo and his men held their meetings.?
Willens, who passed away in 1984, was never formally linked to his neighbor?s criminal operations; any evidence to the contrary, said Pedersen, ?is neighborhood hearsay? and the stuff of conspiracy theory websites.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62237&relPageId=187&search=willens_and%20accardo
FBI 62-109090 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 25, pg 187
Found in: FBI Warren Commission Liaison File (62-109090)
being associated with the President's Commission. HOWARD P. WILLENS, Assistant to Rankin Willens was investigated by the Bureau in 1955 for the position of
derogatory information was developed concerning -his. father, Joseph Robert Willens. The father's name appeared on the mailing list of the Chicago Council of
deter- mined that the senior Mr. Willens was a next-door neighbor of Tony Accardo, prominent Chicago hoodlum. Mr. Willens was interviewed by the Bureau in
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10111&relPageId=126&search=willens_and%20accardo
2. ADMIN FOLDER-W8: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, LEE HARVEY OSWALD VOLUME X, pg 126
Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders
information identifiable with these individuals. HOWARD P. WILLENS, Assistant to Rankin Willens was investigated by the Bureau in 1955 for the position of
derogatory information was developed concerning his father, Joseph Robert Willens. The father's name appeared on the mailing list of the Chicago Council of
deter- mined that the senior Mr. Willens was a next-door neighbor of Tony Accardo, prominent Chicago hoodlum. Mr. Willens was interviewed by the Bureau in
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Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
Your opinions fly in the face of the facts I share with you...
Tom, Earl Warren was in public life for decades before he was drafted by LBJ kicking and screaming. A man like that had to have made hundreds of aquaintances over the years.
Syndicated columnist Drew Pearson and Earl Warren vacationed together. I do not comprehend what that indicates, but it is a fact.
That's about the most honest appraisal of all the stuff you've posted that I have seen.
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Tom, Earl Warren was in public life for decades before he was drafted by LBJ kicking and screaming. A man like that had to have made hundreds of aquaintances over the years.
Syndicated columnist Drew Pearson and Earl Warren vacationed together. I do not comprehend what that indicates, but it is a fact.
https://newspaperarchive.com/hutchinson-news-oct-26-1963-p-12/
October 25, 1963
(http://jfkforum.com/images/DrewPearsonSongbird.jpg)
Henry Crown controlled the Empire State BLDG, General Dynamics executive committee and its $6 billion TFX military contract,
and a pieceof Madison Square Garden and the NY Yankees, but he and his close buddy and biz partner Conrad Hilton still managed
to be in the top echelon of the Chicago mob. Earl Warren not only did not discourage his daughter Virginia's relationship with Hilton,
they (Warren and his wife) seemed to have joined in and encouraged it.
My posts are long because made up minds seem impervious to verifiable facts. Ask Lester Velie what he thought of Chief SCOTUS Justice
Warren appointing the son of Jake Arvey law partner, Paul Ziffren as Warren's law clerk,immediately after the WC Report.
http://www.google.com/search?q=knowland+warren&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#q=ken+ziffren+earl+warren&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&ei=NT--Tfe8IfCD0QHht9zhBQ&ved=0CA8QpwUoBQ&fp=8d2e18986f614a20
SON OF LAW FIRM'S SENIOR PARTNER WED
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - May 26, 1970
Ziffren a graduate of Northwestern University and UCLA law school is a member of ... a law clerk to f o r m e r Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren in 1965.
http://www.archive.org/stream/onewomansroleind02shirrich/onewomansroleind02shirrich_djvu.txt
...One of the things that was embarrassing and got national
coverage was the Reader's Digest article of July, 1960. It
was written by Lester Velie and is called, "Paul Ziffren, The
Democrats' Man of Mystery." (The author sets forth a very
detailed account of "Ziffren 's connections with the underworld
and gambling figures of the period,") ...
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/448644862.html?dids=448644862:448644862&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=Jul+11%2C+1952&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=Warren%27s+Name+Presented+by+Sen.+Knowland&pqatl=google
Jul 11, 1952
Sen. Knowland offered Gov. Warren of California to the Republican convention tonight as a Presidential candidate who could unite the party and give the country an administration "of honor and purpose in both do-...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/1997/04/The-Man-Who-Kept-The-Secrets
BY NICK TOSCHES
APRIL 1997
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Throughout the 30s and 40s, whatever notoriety befell Sidney Korshak was local, confined to a Chicago public that seemed to either shrug for-bearingly or smile understandingly. Except for Variety, the national media had ignored Bioff?s testimony about him. All that changed with a feature story in the September 30, 1950, Collier?s. ?The Capone Gang Muscles into Big-Time Politics,? by Lester Velie, was point-blank: ?Legal advisor to some of the mob is Sidney Korshak.? In addition to his underworld connections, Velie exposed Korshak?s ties to political leaders such as Jacob Arvey, the chairman of the Cook County Democratic Party.
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Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed up Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
Your opinions fly in the face of the facts I share with you...
My point is plain....you cannot, based on the verifiable evidence and the conflicts of interests of the WC appointees,
make the conclusions you present. That is my primary conclusion about the case, because I am committed to avoid
cherry picking the evidence, because I am not qualified to weigh the contradictions. You seem to think you are qualified,
but I present in a manner indicating I might be better informed than you are.
You seem more certain the WC essentially "got it right" than WC Asst Counsel Albert Jenner.....
BTW, was not mobbed up Albert Jenner assigned (by Howard Willens) to investigate whether Oswald was associated with
organized crime or other conspirators?
Oscar, Mr. Trump has certainly made it aquaint notion, but in 1964, avoidance of even the appearance of impropriety was an
expectation of the American public, especially after the DPD had failed to keep the accused assassin alive, in their own HQ....
Did not Accardo and succeed Ricca and Joseph Willens succeed Varelli as next door neighbor of the reigning River Forest, IL,
capo di tutti cappi?
Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed up Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
What did Earl Warren do in ( Mexico? or Cuba? ) that left him open to Blackmail?
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Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed up Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
Your opinions fly in the face of the facts I share with you..
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All I see are a bunch of disjointed newspaper clippings, Tom. If you believe this represents evidence then anyone could be charged with anything under the sun. There's no beef in this sandwich, Tom.
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Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed up Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
What did Earl Warren do in ( Mexico? or Cuba? ) that left him open to Blackmail?
I'm sure Tom will come up with a bunch of newspaper clippings that will answer your question. ::)
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Oscar, reread the thread. Obviously, you are much better versed on the veneer than I am.
Please do not read any of my additional posts. You certainly seem satisfied there is not even the
appearance of impropriety, and LBJ, Warren and the rest of the WC, the FBI, DPD, anc CIA all
gave the American people a fair shake. Obviously, you and I have had dramatically different upbringings and life experiences.
Whenever my mom, or, as I grew older, anyone tried to spoon feed me BS, I spit it out.
I have seen other people put mustard and relish on it, proclaim it a hot dog, and swallow it with gusto!
Case closed.....
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Levine%20Isaac%20Don/Item%2006.pdf
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Collins_Companies#Closed_locations
John Joseph Ford (October 10, 1907 ? August 4, 1982)
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In 1943, Governor Earl Warren appointed Ford to the Los Angeles County Municipal Court, where he served until 1948 when Warren elevated him to the Los Angeles County Superior Court.[1] Ford left the Superior Court when Governor Pat Brown appointed Ford to the California Second District Court of Appeal, Division Three in 1959.[1] Brown elevated Ford to Presiding Justice of the same court in 1966.[1] Ford retired in 1977 and died in Newport Beach, California in 1982.[1]
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Childhood
Ford was one of three children of father William Joseph Ford and Margaret McCarthy. The other 2 were Robert and Margaret. Ford's mother died when he was four years old. Ford's father later remarried Cecily Chambers and had 7 more children: Liam, Moira, Patrick, James, Declan, Joe Brendan, and Derrick. John Joseph Ford went on to graduate from Loyola High School. Robert "Bob" Ford, Moira Ford, Patrick Ford and James Ford also became practicing attorneys in California.....
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ../testimony/ford_d.htm
TESTIMONY OF DECLAN P. FORD
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The CHAIRMAN. As to the purpose so you understand what we are doing here today?
Mr. FORD. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Will you please rise. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. FORD. I do.
The CHAIRMAN. Be seated please and Mr. Liebeler will ask the questions.
Mr. LIEBELER. Will you state your name, sir?
Mr. FORD. Declan P. Ford....
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The CHAIRMAN. Where were you born?
Mr. FORD. Los Angeles.
The CHAIRMAN. Did you go to the public schools there?
Mr. FORD. I attended both parochial and public schools in Los Angeles and Glendale.
The CHAIRMAN. Then you went to the University of California at Los Angeles?
Mr. FORD. Right.
The CHAIRMAN. Where did you go after that. You were in the service, did you say?
Mr. FORD. I was in the service. After I got out of the service I went back to UCLA and finished my education and then went to work in the oil industry first in Bakersfield and in Los Angeles, Ventura, and then went to work for DeGollyer and McNaughton overseas.
The CHAIRMAN. I see.
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Posted by Tm Scully Posted May 14, 2012
Isaac Don Levine claimed he heard about Bouhe's connection to Oswald via an in passing, confidential heads up from a stranger, Joseph B. Ford, brother of Declan Ford. Levine then gushes in his book about how he had heard all about Bouhe's Dallas accountancy career via his mother, Elsa Bouhe. Levine had translated her manuscript (in 1934), describing her five year imprisonment by Stalin. I've established tht Elsa died in 1957. BTW, Bouhe made several trips to France after WWII. The last one I found was a return through Montreal in 1959. Elsa's naturalization application states that her husband, Alexander Bouhe died in 1911. George, as George Bouchay, worked for his passage from Hamburg to NY in 1924, and sister Irene was detained for lack of a visa when she attempted to enter New York from France in 1934. An uncle, her mother Elsa's brother, was named as next of kin with an address in Paris.
Are you aware George Bouhe's sister married "Buck Freeman"? Freeman was a Princeton classmate of CIA domestic contacts chief,
Edwin "Squirrel" Ashcraft. Freeman and Ashcraft attended the same Princeton class reunions, into old age.
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George Bouhe came "home" to die in the same town his sister, Ilsa Bouche Freeman resided in, Plainfield, NJ
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Posted by Tom Scully 10-31-2016
The most prominent member of Triangle in late 1927 when the small group toured 19 cities with their production of a show titled, "Napoleon Passes", was fellow member of Dodge's, Seay's, and Freeman's class of 1929 was Squiirrel Ashcraft, William Burke's and
Lloyd Ray's longtime boss at CIA DCS.
Princeton Alumni Weekly, Volume 81 (https://books.google.com/books?id=AxNbAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA13-PA20&lpg=RA13-PA20&dq=obit+edwin+squirrel+ashcraft&source=bl&ots=WE4IrjhC5F&sig=ACfU3U27OVfWlo0kMD9UsTcY1I3g_i3cag&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOtbWTysjgAhVmiOAKHZGbCP4Q6AEwDnoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=true)
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In the intro of this excerpted memo, I discern Rankin's and Slawson's contempt for the right of the American people
to expect an ethical, open investigation and Warren Report, but I doubt LNs have the slightest problem with this intended suppression
Dulles partially steered Rankin and Slawson away from. The result is "rough" vs. what should have been court reporter quality documentation
of this May, 1964 WC interview of Levine.
CD Jackson and Ed Thompson of Time-Life are seen here continuing to attempt to vacuum up as much unique evidence and testimony
as possible. Ed Thompson's son was the Reader's Digest editor of Henry Hurt, financing Hurt's 1976 trip to Midland to threaten the
continued employment of Billy Joe Lord.
Dec. 6 specially decorated Bush '41 Train engine, was Billy Joe Lord on board?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1439.msg38753.html#msg38753
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Following are three consecutive pages of the memo introduced in the image above.
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Yes, I'm familiar with that controversy too. Ford did indeed, at least from what I read in the same account you mentioned, apparently try to get him removed. Redlich was, well, he was a leftwinger and not a liberal. He thought the Rosenbergs and Hiss were innocent. Or at least they shouldn't have been given the death penalty (which he opposed throughout his life). As to Hiss's innocence: What was he thinking?
Re Shenon's book: it's a pretty good overview of how the WC was formed and worked.
These were honorable men in a difficult situation. Sure, legitimate criticism of the investigation can be made; it was a product made by humans: what do people make that is perfect? But the claims that they deliberately covered things up is simply not, for me, true.
Steve, here's the link to WC Executive Session of May 19, 1964. It's mostly about Norman Redlich https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1332#relPageId=5&tab=page
(https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1332#relPageId=5&tab=page) the last 10 or so pages are almost unreadable which is too bad but it increases my admiration for both Warren and McCloy while further diminishing my opinion of Russell. It's a bit long (40 readable pages) but worth the time and effort.
I completely agree there was no cover up. The very notion of leaving things out was repeatedly considered and rejected by the WC members in many instances and they were aware of the historical importance of this inquiry.
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If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect. Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?
A nameless staffer ::) There is one item that was not mentioned here in this thread...motive. Vincent Bugliosi postulates that Oswald killed JFK due to his "delusions of grandeur and that he wanted to do something that [history] would remember him 10,000 years from now". I guess this is all based on the 'Oswald diary'. There is just one problem with this claim...Oswald denied everything....so forget about that motive.
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A nameless staffer ::) There is one item that was not mentioned here in this thread...motive. Vincent Bugliosi postulates that Oswald killed JFK due to his "delusions of grandeur and that he wanted to do something that [history] would remember him 10,000 years from now". I guess this is all based on the 'Oswald diary'. There is just one problem with this claim...Oswald denied everything....so forget about that motive.
Bill Chapman
If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect. Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?
A nameless staffer ::)
If you actually took the time to read the thread you would see the nameless staffer was named. It was Assistant counsel Burt Griffin.
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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:
Norman Redlich. Redlich was a committed civil libertarian, a strong leftist in his politics (he was a vocal critic of Joe McCarthy when it wasn't easy to do), a life long opponent of the death penalty, and a supporter of Civil Rights from the start. And not a fan of Hoover's either (the two reportedly detested one another). There is no one who could argue with any sense of logic that he would join with "right wing" or "militarist" elements to coverup for the murder of JFK.
Redlich was the main author of the WC Report. He personally wrote the first six chapters including the critical chapter detailing the actual shooting. If - again if - one believes the Warren Report was a lie from start to end then you'd have to say that Redlich was a key part in producing this lie.
John Hart Ely. Ely was not an important staffer in the investigation but he did play a role in investigating Oswald's background including his childhood. It's safe to say he found no evidence of "two Oswalds". Later he went on to become one of the most influential constitutional scholars of modern times and is among the widely quoted experts on the Constitution.
I find it completely implausible that these two men would cover up for the murder of the president.
Decent men playing their part in preventing WWIII? Unthinkable!
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Decent men playing their part in preventing WWIII? Unthinkable!
Yes, all decent men. I would like to see any declassified memo that instructs them to actually engage in covering anything up.